Speaker 1: Hi. Be uh. Why is Geraldine looking terrified and crouched
Speaker 1: all the way on top of the bookshelf? Hi, Elliott Well.
Speaker 1: In honor of one of our subjects today, writer E. B. White,
Speaker 1: I thought it would be fun to bring in a
Speaker 1: special guest star to play one of his beloved characters,
Speaker 1: Stewart Little, who you know is a a mouse. I
Speaker 1: thought we learned this lesson after I brought my son's
Speaker 1: class mouse in Elephants are scared of mice? Oh, Elliott,
Speaker 1: I never learned. Well, at least you didn't bring in
Speaker 1: a special guest star from our other subject, author Maury Sendek,
Speaker 1: who famously wrote and illustrated Where the Wild Things Are?
Speaker 1: Right about that? It's a wild thing, Geraldine, make room
Speaker 1: on that bookshelf. Wow, Elliot, great jump. Now let me
Speaker 1: introduce you all to our other guest star, in honor
Speaker 1: of Charlotte's Web, I also brought this spider. Would you
Speaker 1: look at that? I didn't, Oh, mice and wild things
Speaker 1: were afraid of spiders. Wilsa didn't realize that bookshelf could
Speaker 1: fold all that weight. It can't. Eric, here you go,
Speaker 1: What do you think you know about the rates room?
Speaker 1: This story? The game is on. Get some energy and
Speaker 1: buckle up your brain because it's signed to play Who Was? Podcast?
Speaker 1: Because it's time to favorites. Who Knows? Live from Tom
Speaker 1: Bland or so called so Well Los Angeles. Welcome to
Speaker 1: Who Was? The history quiz show that gives contestants the
Speaker 1: chance to win mega prizes and podcast. Laurie, I'm your announcer,
Speaker 1: Me and I have definitely earned my stripes. That's a
Speaker 1: fee joke. And now here's your host, the man who
Speaker 1: makes as many fashion rules as he breaks. It's Elliott Helen.
Speaker 1: Thank you be you know today is fashion? Don't? Is
Speaker 1: tomorrow's fashion? Do? And welcome everyone clue Who Was? Podcast?
Speaker 1: This show is like Jeopardy, only with secret guests, silly games,
Speaker 1: and an unpublished secret menu. Okay, if you know, you know.
Speaker 1: Our two contestants were sent who Was books about two
Speaker 1: great figures from history. Now they're here to show off
Speaker 1: their knowledge in the hopes of winning fantastic prizes. Prizes.
Speaker 1: Today we're talking about Babe White and Maurice Sendeth to
Speaker 1: popular children's book authors Pool Club to say any characters
Speaker 1: just as much as we do. But before we learn
Speaker 1: about them, let's learn about our contestants. First up, we
Speaker 1: have Athena. Athena, will you please introduce yourself. I'm Athena
Speaker 1: and I have three cats. Alexander Hamilton's young in hammer
Speaker 1: Claw and we will send off. I wrote my four
Speaker 1: Johnny chapter book a year ago, and the pronouncer sheher,
Speaker 1: oh wow, okay, so there was a lot of information
Speaker 1: in that, thank you. Those were all fun and all facts.
Speaker 1: I'm interested in this book that you broke. Um it's
Speaker 1: a twenty chapter book. Yeah? What is it about dragons?
Speaker 1: That's the best word you could have said. I know,
Speaker 1: I'm sure what word you were going to say, but
Speaker 1: that was the perfect word. I didn't think it was
Speaker 1: going to be that, but that's a great word for
Speaker 1: it to be. So what is the title of your book?
Speaker 1: I have no idea. I wrote it a your Okay,
Speaker 1: that's in the past. I love. I love this attitude,
Speaker 1: which is, hey, I don't talk about my old work.
Speaker 1: That's behind. I'm all about the future. So what are
Speaker 1: you working on now? You're working on another book? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Is it also about dragons? Yeah, it's the same series. Oh,
Speaker 1: it's part of a whole series. Wow, well that is
Speaker 1: so exciting. Um, I cannot wait to read this. Um.
Speaker 1: Once I find out what the title is, I will
Speaker 1: definitely check it out from my local library. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: can't wait when I go into a bookstore and I
Speaker 1: say do you have this book and they say what's
Speaker 1: it called? And I say, I don't know, but it's
Speaker 1: about dragons and they say, we know exactly the book
Speaker 1: you're target exactly. Hey, that's just another instance if you know,
Speaker 1: you know, it's the secret venue of books. All right,
Speaker 1: And with a thank you so much for sharing Athena
Speaker 1: and with us. Today we also have Caroline, Caroline, will
Speaker 1: you please introduce yourself. Hi on Caroline Branssa share and
Speaker 1: I love drafts and you loved giraffe. Wow, that's so
Speaker 1: cool because giraffes are like the dragons of the zoo
Speaker 1: of the jungle, or zoo of the jungle, of these
Speaker 1: two jungle zoon russ. Listen, this is not a show
Speaker 1: about facts, except wait a minute, this is exactly a
Speaker 1: show about fact. So hold on. Yeah, well we'll we'll
Speaker 1: love to wait for the who was giraffes? Yeah, this
Speaker 1: is a quiz show. Come on, come on, Who's who's
Speaker 1: supposed to be doing the quizzic right here, Carolyn, what
Speaker 1: is it about giraffes you like so much? It's good answer,
Speaker 1: not the answer I expected. Again getting a lot of
Speaker 1: would unexpected answers from our contestants today. What I like
Speaker 1: about giraffes is those knobs on the top of their heads.
Speaker 1: They're already super tall, they already have super long next,
Speaker 1: they're already yellow. They don't need any extras, but they've
Speaker 1: got them. Those weird knob horns on the top of
Speaker 1: the head. What do they do? Did they serve a purpose?
Speaker 1: The knob barns on top of their head? Oh, Producer
Speaker 1: Jana saying, that's how you steer a giraffe. That makes sense. Okay,
Speaker 1: see there's the steering knobs. Well, uh, please don't try
Speaker 1: at home, listeners, don't get on a draft and try
Speaker 1: steering them with that would have a draft at home,
Speaker 1: probably in your attic. It would just have to start
Speaker 1: on the body floor and then end up in the
Speaker 1: at it. Yeah, maybe it sticks his head up through
Speaker 1: the chimney. Also, again, if you have a draft at home,
Speaker 1: don't put its neck gun through the chimney. But it's
Speaker 1: very likely you don't have a grab at home, in
Speaker 1: which case if you'll get one and pick up that
Speaker 1: book about dragons. Thank you both Athena and Carolin for
Speaker 1: being with us today. I'm very excited about this show today,
Speaker 1: and of course thanks to our musician Eric for providing
Speaker 1: that lovely mut the contestants music and all the music
Speaker 1: on today's show. So that's who is. Now Let's find
Speaker 1: out who was Eb White with four fast facts Prospects.
Speaker 1: EB White was born Elwyn Brooks White in eighteen ninety
Speaker 1: nine and died in nineteen eighty five. He wrote over
Speaker 1: twenty books for adults and kids, but he is best
Speaker 1: known for writing the beloved children's books Stewart Little and
Speaker 1: Charlotte's Web. He was also a poet, an essayist, and
Speaker 1: a humorist, and contributed writing and drawings to some of
Speaker 1: the most popular magazines of all time. He is a
Speaker 1: winner of many awards, including the Children's Literature Legacy Award
Speaker 1: and an American Academy of Arts and Letters Gold Medal.
Speaker 1: Fool Prospects. So, Athena and Caroline were wondering, had you
Speaker 1: read any of EB White's books before you read the
Speaker 1: book about EB White? Caroline, had you ever read either
Speaker 1: like Stewart Little, or Charlotte's Webb or Trumpeter of the Swan.
Speaker 1: I don't think I've read that, but I definitely have
Speaker 1: watched Charlotte tried it's reading. Okay, cool. What about you, Athena?
Speaker 1: Had you read any of those books? Um? I almost
Speaker 1: read The Stewart Little in fourth grade, but um instead
Speaker 1: I read am About Jackets. That's a good guess. That's
Speaker 1: a good guess about what the other book was. So
Speaker 1: have you seen any of the any of the movies
Speaker 1: like Caroline has Nope, I didn't know they existed. Well,
Speaker 1: the books themselves, they're really beautiful books. Their favorites in
Speaker 1: our household. They're very interesting children's books because there's something
Speaker 1: very sweet about them, but there's also something a little
Speaker 1: grown up about them. I feel like when I was
Speaker 1: a kid, eb Whites books were the most grown up
Speaker 1: children's books that I read, and they really made me
Speaker 1: feel special that way, because it felt like I was
Speaker 1: getting something more than more than I was used to
Speaker 1: from kids books. They're really beautiful and a little sad,
Speaker 1: so be per pair you've been worn. If you're reading
Speaker 1: an ev White book, make sure you've got a box
Speaker 1: of tissues next to you, because you're gonna be a
Speaker 1: prion and we need to drive those two ears. Yeah,
Speaker 1: thank you both so much for joining us. And let's
Speaker 1: punctually this delightful conversation with our first game, one that
Speaker 1: honors Evie White's poetry as much as his pros. It's
Speaker 1: everyone's favorite rhyme with two lines, it's a couplet. One
Speaker 1: it's a couplet. It's a couplet. In this game, we
Speaker 1: have a rhyming couplet with one word missing. Fill in
Speaker 1: the blank with the correct rhyming word. So, for example,
Speaker 1: if I said something like, when I look out the window,
Speaker 1: I see a tree and on a branchise by my
Speaker 1: co host named the correct answer is b which rhymes
Speaker 1: with tree. Also, be get down from there, be get
Speaker 1: back in the Cdo I told you I prefer to
Speaker 1: work under dangerous conditions. Fine, and since this is our
Speaker 1: first game, each question is worth one point. Take it away,
Speaker 1: be Athena. Here is your couplict E B. White was
Speaker 1: certainly no fool, But when he was a kid, he
Speaker 1: did not like going to school. That's right, The answer
Speaker 1: is school. Young Eb disliked school. That Pobe was still
Speaker 1: always writing. He kept a journal for his entire life,
Speaker 1: starting at age nine. He also won prizes for his writing.
Speaker 1: At the age of nine. He went on to be
Speaker 1: the editor of his college newspaper, and he enjoyed a
Speaker 1: class about grammar from one of his college professors, William Strunk, Jr.
Speaker 1: And he revised Strunk's book The Elements of Style later
Speaker 1: in his life. Okay, the next question is for Carolyn.
Speaker 1: For a while, Ebe once worked on a cruise ship,
Speaker 1: but before that went with his pal on a cross
Speaker 1: country road trip. That's exactly right. The ANSWER's road trip.
Speaker 1: After college, Ebe wasn't sure what he should do next,
Speaker 1: so he and his friend decided to go across the
Speaker 1: country in a Model T car they called Hotspur pretty
Speaker 1: coolly in for a car. They drove from New York
Speaker 1: State and ended up in Washington State, where Evie took
Speaker 1: a job writing for the Seattle Times newspaper. Pevie later
Speaker 1: wrote about these adventures as magazine articles. Through his experience,
Speaker 1: he learned that he wanted to write about life as
Speaker 1: he saw it. Okay, the next question is for Athena.
Speaker 1: Be take it away, Athena, here's your couplet. Before eb
Speaker 1: wrote Charlotte's web featuring a famous porker. He lived in
Speaker 1: New York and wrote humor pieces for a magazine, The
Speaker 1: New Yorker. Exactly right. The answer is the New Yorker,
Speaker 1: and the New Yorker is a very influential magazine that
Speaker 1: helps start the careers of some of America's most important writers.
Speaker 1: But not me. They've rejected several pieces I've submitted. Abe
Speaker 1: like the way that they combined news articles, humor pieces, poetry,
Speaker 1: and cartoons. The New Yorker even helped to shape Ebe's
Speaker 1: life by introducing him to other writers and to his
Speaker 1: future wife, Katherine Sergeant Angle, who was a writer and
Speaker 1: the fiction editor at The New Yorker. Maybe you've never
Speaker 1: heard of Catherine, but she was instrumental in shaping American literature.
Speaker 1: The next question is wor Carolyn for e b The
Speaker 1: character of Stuart Little was a sure bet When he
Speaker 1: was young. He even had a mouse as a pet.
Speaker 1: That's right. The answer is pet Ebe kept a house
Speaker 1: mouse as a pet. The idea for Stuart Little came
Speaker 1: to eb and the dream. He talked about it with
Speaker 1: Anne Carol Moore, an important children's librarian. She didn't think
Speaker 1: it was a good idea for a book, so he
Speaker 1: put the idea away for years until a different editor
Speaker 1: loved the idea. When he published Swart Little and Carol
Speaker 1: Moore gave it a bad review and he was even
Speaker 1: banned from some libraries. EB thought he had made a
Speaker 1: big mistake until thousands of fan letters from kids poured in.
Speaker 1: It remains one of the best selling children's books of
Speaker 1: all time. And that's the end of the game. It's
Speaker 1: a couple of that. It's a couple of amazing. Now
Speaker 1: let's scurry over to producer Jane with the spods HELLI
Speaker 1: and B. I don't mind telling you we have a
Speaker 1: tied game with two points each. Thank you Jane. And now,
Speaker 1: ladies and genm and mice, spiders and pigs, please welcome
Speaker 1: to the show. EB whites bangs who was wandering in
Speaker 1: the best? Hey, e B? Did anyone ever call you EBB?
Speaker 1: Like ed but with a B? Yeah? Absolutely not cool?
Speaker 1: That can be our thing? Then may I refuse? Wait
Speaker 1: a minute here. The lesseners at home can't see this,
Speaker 1: but EB has a soundboard in front of him and
Speaker 1: he's hitting a different key at the end of his sentences,
Speaker 1: and I sure, am there's that point again, what gives Well.
Speaker 1: I'm best known for my work as a children's book author,
Speaker 1: but certainly more influential was my revision of the writing manual,
Speaker 1: The Elements of Style. I thought that was a book
Speaker 1: about like how to pull off wearing fancy clothes or
Speaker 1: how to match shoes and all that. Oh, romm it be.
Speaker 1: The Elements of Style is the book on the American
Speaker 1: English writing style and punctuation. It's been named one of
Speaker 1: the best and most influential books of all time by
Speaker 1: critics and authors. Alight, okay, but it's a grammar book.
Speaker 1: But grammar can be fun. I went up this soundboard
Speaker 1: here to play a different sound effect to represent different
Speaker 1: punctuation for your listening audience, grammar and funny noises. I
Speaker 1: never thought all my interests with a line so completely.
Speaker 1: This is genious. Ev I took the liberty of adding
Speaker 1: an exclamation point on the end of that sentence for you. Now,
Speaker 1: let me take you through the soundboard. If I were
Speaker 1: to say, may I have a glass of milk? You'd
Speaker 1: know it was a question by the violin string sound effect.
Speaker 1: And if I remember my manners and said may I
Speaker 1: have a glass of milk? Please? Then you'd know there
Speaker 1: was a comma before the please, and those wiggly sounds
Speaker 1: mean quotations. The tap is just the plane as you
Speaker 1: please period. Wow? What about apostrophes, ellipses, semi colon? Yeah,
Speaker 1: now you're getting it. Would you like to try it? Sure,
Speaker 1: Scooch should ad b I'm pretty sure he was talking
Speaker 1: to me. I'm the grammar enthusiast here. I turned your
Speaker 1: statement into a question. You should have hit the tap sound.
Speaker 1: That wasn't a semi cool and that was a statement.
Speaker 1: Oh no, he put your statement in quotations. It's been
Speaker 1: rendered ironic. I'm just having funned with the Butlins boys.
Speaker 1: She just flipped three exclamation points on the end of
Speaker 1: that statement. This is chaos. Oh dear, now she found
Speaker 1: the anson. You must be stopped. Would the love of
Speaker 1: grammar do something to just combobulate that? My mind is
Speaker 1: a jungle of quote some samas. Hello, producer Jane, what
Speaker 1: I um plugged it? Producer Jane? My hero? Oh I
Speaker 1: shall never forget you. Now I must be off. I'm
Speaker 1: having chicken fingers with Shakespeare. You help me have some
Speaker 1: new poems. Thanks again for having me, and thanks again?
Speaker 1: Who was who? Thank you, Jane. Let's take a quick break.
Speaker 1: We'll be back with more games, So don't go anywhere. Eric,
Speaker 1: play us some elements of style music, please ye before
Speaker 1: you we're back on the Who Was podcast. Today we're
Speaker 1: finding out who was Evie White and who was Maurice
Speaker 1: Sendack And now back to your host, Elliott Palin. Thank you. Be.
Speaker 1: Let's keep the game moving and find out who was
Speaker 1: Marie Sendak with four fast facts or hoss re. Sendak
Speaker 1: was born in nineteen and died in twelve. Marie Sendek
Speaker 1: was the son of Polish Jewish immigrants and grew up
Speaker 1: in Brooklyn, New York. Marie wrote and illustrated many of
Speaker 1: the most beloved children's books, including Where the Wild Things
Speaker 1: Are in the Night Kitchen and Chicken Soup with Rice.
Speaker 1: He is a celebrated lgbt q I, a hero, and
Speaker 1: he has two elementary schools named after him. Okay, now
Speaker 1: we're wondering the same thing that we wondered about Ebe
Speaker 1: White's books. Had either of you read any of Maurice
Speaker 1: sendacs books before you read the Who Was Marie Sendeck book?
Speaker 1: I think in like first grade, our teacher read Where
Speaker 1: the Wild Things Are but like I'm mostly remember the pictures. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the pictures are really he drew those. I think Marie
Speaker 1: Sendeck wouldn't mind that held picture. They're really gorgeous. Marie Sendex.
Speaker 1: Arc is very It's very beautiful, and it's also can
Speaker 1: be very funny, and it can also be very scary,
Speaker 1: and it can also be very moving. Uh, it's really amazing.
Speaker 1: I'm speaking about him a lot because I'm gonna let
Speaker 1: the you and the audience speak behind the curtain. My
Speaker 1: wife is a children's life Barry, and we talk about
Speaker 1: children's books a lot in my house, and Recendec is
Speaker 1: a particular favorite of ours, very special in our house. Carolin,
Speaker 1: knowing that, knowing how important re Scendec is to me,
Speaker 1: have you ever read any of his books? I don't
Speaker 1: think the wild? Where the wild? Okay, I'll take that.
Speaker 1: I'll take that. Since we're all familiar with where the
Speaker 1: wild things are. Let's let the wild rumps start with
Speaker 1: our next game sound effects Safari sound effects sound fetsioggery
Speaker 1: sound effects faggery Why did they take a baby on
Speaker 1: a Safari? In this game, we will play a sound
Speaker 1: effect inspired by something important from Recendex life our contestants
Speaker 1: will tell us what the sound effect represents. Because this
Speaker 1: is our second game, each question is worth two points.
Speaker 1: Here is our first sound effect for Caroline. That was
Speaker 1: Mickey Mouse's iconic laugh. Why is Mickey Mouse significant for
Speaker 1: Maurice's life? Is it because a Maurice was rejected from
Speaker 1: a job at Disney or be Mickey Mouse was Maurice's
Speaker 1: childhood hero? B That's right, The answer is being Mickey
Speaker 1: Mouse was born the same year as Maurice. Marie said
Speaker 1: he loved Mickey Mouse because he was quote sassy and
Speaker 1: always thinking of ways to outdo people. At least the
Speaker 1: original version of Mickey was that way. Maurice would see
Speaker 1: Mickey Mouse films at the theater, he would leap up
Speaker 1: on his seat and scream. His sister and brother had
Speaker 1: to hold him down. Maurice named Mickey the main character
Speaker 1: of his book In the Night Kitchen after Mickey Mouse. Okay,
Speaker 1: next question is for Athena. Yeah, that sound effect for
Speaker 1: you is kids playing outside? Which answer best describes why
Speaker 1: this is significant to Maurice? Is it a Maurice was
Speaker 1: often sick as a child and watched his neighbor's play
Speaker 1: from inside his house. Or be. Maurice was once commissioned
Speaker 1: by the Borough of Brooklyn to create a Maurice Sendek playground.
Speaker 1: H A, that's right. The answer is A. Maurice often
Speaker 1: watched the kids in his neighborhood from his parents window.
Speaker 1: He said, quote, so many happy memories are being indoors
Speaker 1: and looking out windows. Later in life, I'll staying with
Speaker 1: his parents. Maurice overheard kids in the neighborhood talking to
Speaker 1: each other. One Katie always noticed was a bold girl
Speaker 1: named Rosie. He was so delighted by hearing the stories
Speaker 1: she told other kids. He used her as the inspiration
Speaker 1: for his book The Sign on Rosie's Door, which became
Speaker 1: a musical called Really Rosie, another favorite in the Calin household.
Speaker 1: The next sound effect is for Caroline boy v smra zoltsvaksena.
Speaker 1: Okay Carolin. That was Elliott speaking in Yiddish. Why would
Speaker 1: this be significant to Maurice's life? Is it? A? His
Speaker 1: favorite musical was Fiddler on the Roof or B. As
Speaker 1: the son of Polish immigrants, much of his fami only
Speaker 1: spoke Yiddish. B. That's right. The answer is be. Maurice's
Speaker 1: parents immigrated from Poland. His family was Jewish, so they
Speaker 1: spoke Yiddish at home. Maurice's book Where the Wild Things
Speaker 1: Are was inspired by the phrase of ild Ojaiah, which
Speaker 1: his mother called him when he was a boy. This
Speaker 1: roughly translates to wild animal in English. His Yiddish relatives
Speaker 1: used to say to him, who looks so good? I
Speaker 1: could eat you up, which is very similar to what
Speaker 1: the wild things say to Max, the little boy in
Speaker 1: the book. The final question is for Athena that is
Speaker 1: a snippet from a Mozart song. How does this sound
Speaker 1: effect relate to Maurice senday? Is it a Maurice loved
Speaker 1: and was inspired by Mozart's music? Or b he had
Speaker 1: a beloved pet cat he named mozart A. That's right,
Speaker 1: The answer is a. Maurice once said, I know if
Speaker 1: there's a purpose in life, it was for me to
Speaker 1: hear Mozart. I mean, wow, this guy loved Mozart. Later
Speaker 1: in his career, Maurice designed costumes from Mozart's opera The
Speaker 1: Magic Flute, and he went on to design over a
Speaker 1: dozen more operas, including an operatic adaptation of his book
Speaker 1: Where the Wild Things Are? And That's sound effects Safari
Speaker 1: sound effects Safari Sari sound effects. Amazing game, everybody. You're
Speaker 1: both doing so well. Let's wild rump us over to
Speaker 1: producer Jane to get the scores. Oh, it'd be We
Speaker 1: have a tie still with six points each, and don't
Speaker 1: go anywhere. We'll be back for our final game after this.
Speaker 1: Pick quick, Eric, please play us some guild Ohaia music.
Speaker 1: Please you're giving me Saurus Sally. Who was Marie Curie?
Speaker 1: You may remember me from winning multiple Nobel prizes or
Speaker 1: FAPs from my episode of the Worst Podcast where I
Speaker 1: played myself. I wanted to take a moment to read
Speaker 1: one of my favorite reviews about the Whoas podcast. This
Speaker 1: is from Shaken Bay and it reads loved this Me
Speaker 1: and my little sister love this show more. Please. Our
Speaker 1: faith is Ariet Toman. If you want to hear your
Speaker 1: review right on the app, make sure to subscribe, like,
Speaker 1: and review to the Wah's podcast in the I Heart
Speaker 1: Radio up or wherever you give your podcasts revoir or
Speaker 1: should I stay abiato. We're back on the Whos podcast
Speaker 1: where we're learning all about who was Ebie White and
Speaker 1: who was Maurice Kenda? And now back to your host,
Speaker 1: Elliot Kaitlin, thank you be With not a moment to lose,
Speaker 1: We're heading on to our last game, Converge of Greatness.
Speaker 1: In this multiple choice game, we'll explore how our famous
Speaker 1: people connect, overlap, or converge. Choose the best answer for
Speaker 1: each question, and because this is covering double the topics
Speaker 1: of our last game, it will be worth triple the points.
Speaker 1: I know it sounds mad, but that's how we do
Speaker 1: things on the who Has podcast. The first question is
Speaker 1: for a theme. E. B. White and Marie Sendek worked
Speaker 1: with this editor who helped publish some of America's favorite
Speaker 1: children's books. Was that person a Ursula Nordstrom, b Amelia
Speaker 1: Badelia or see Mr Popper, Penguins Random House. That's right,
Speaker 1: the answer is a Ersla Nordstrom was the editor to
Speaker 1: both Morty Sendek and Evie White. Editors worked with authors
Speaker 1: to help them improve their books. Ursula helped Morris Land
Speaker 1: his first illustrating work, and when Ursla read Stuart Little,
Speaker 1: she knew it was something special. She helped Evie publish it,
Speaker 1: even after others put it down. She worked with Lebe
Speaker 1: on Charlotte's Web and the Trumpet of the Swan. Ursula
Speaker 1: what a visionary. Okay, next question is for Caroline. World
Speaker 1: War two greatly affected Maurice and eb White. Sadly, Maurice
Speaker 1: lost most of his extended family in Poland in the Holocaust.
Speaker 1: He responded to this terrible loss with the art and
Speaker 1: words of his books. Eb White responded to the end
Speaker 1: of the war by writing A Stewart Little Too, Let's
Speaker 1: Get Tiny, be his first and only rock album. Or
Speaker 1: see a book about an ideal government called Wild Flag. Yes,
Speaker 1: you're right, the answer is see. Inspired by the First
Speaker 1: Meeting of the United Nations, Evie wrote The Wild Flag,
Speaker 1: a book filled with ideas on how one world government
Speaker 1: could give everyone the same basic freedoms. Abe also wrote
Speaker 1: pieces in support of the civil rights movement in nineteen
Speaker 1: sixties and was early environmentalist who helped scientist and writer
Speaker 1: Rachel Carson get published early in her career. We have
Speaker 1: an episode about Rachel Carson. Go check it out. It's great.
Speaker 1: But first before you do that, hold on, no go anywhere.
Speaker 1: Check out this next question. It's for a theme. Both
Speaker 1: eb White and Maurice Sendek were dog people. That doesn't
Speaker 1: mean they had wet noses and floppy ears. It means
Speaker 1: they love dogs. E b had a dog that would
Speaker 1: walk him home from school most days, and Maurice wrote
Speaker 1: a book all about his beloved dog, who was named
Speaker 1: a Mozart B Max or C. Jenny. That's right, The
Speaker 1: answer is C. Maurice called his dog Jenny the love
Speaker 1: of my life. As long as she was alive, Jenny
Speaker 1: was featured somewhere in every book Marie drew. When Jenny
Speaker 1: started nearing the end of her life, Maurice wrote a
Speaker 1: book all about her called Giggledy Piggledy Pop that ends
Speaker 1: with her leaving home forever but writing a note to
Speaker 1: Marie telling him she is very happy. Are so sweet?
Speaker 1: And the final question is for Caroline. Eb White and
Speaker 1: Maurice Sundeck were both influenced by the time they spent
Speaker 1: living in New York City, but they both eventually left
Speaker 1: for quieter places. Maurice and his partner Eugene lived in Connecticut,
Speaker 1: but Be and his family moved to this state. Was
Speaker 1: it a New Hampshire, be Maine or see Pennsylvania, Um Pennsylvania.
Speaker 1: I'm so sorry. The answer is be Maine. Maine, and
Speaker 1: the love of nature, animals and the outdoors played a
Speaker 1: big role in much of Evie's life, starting when he
Speaker 1: was a boy, he spent summers in Maine as a
Speaker 1: way to help his allergies, and as an adult lived
Speaker 1: in Maine full time and had a farm. He came
Speaker 1: up for the idea of Charlotte's web after seeing a
Speaker 1: spider's web near the pigs in the barn. All this
Speaker 1: main talk is pretty cool. But if you want to
Speaker 1: read a great essay about a city, read Ubi Whites.
Speaker 1: Here is New York. It's a fifty five page delight
Speaker 1: that's way shorter than a twenty chapter book about dragons
Speaker 1: and almost as cool. And that's the end of the
Speaker 1: round That heavenly music means it's the end of the game,
Speaker 1: which means it's almost the end of the show. While
Speaker 1: we wait for Jane to write out everyone's points in
Speaker 1: her web, I'd love to hear from the contestants, what
Speaker 1: was something that you were surprised to learn about? Eb
Speaker 1: White or Maurice sindec Athena, what's surprised you? Yeah, Maurice,
Speaker 1: at some point in his life wanted to draw till
Speaker 1: he died. Maurice really loved drawing more than anything else
Speaker 1: in the world. Seems like even more than Mozart, and
Speaker 1: yeah he was. He continued working all the way up
Speaker 1: until the very end of his life, which is very
Speaker 1: exciting to me, someone who hopes to never retire and
Speaker 1: to be always writing and always hosting podcasts until they
Speaker 1: forced the microphone away from me in the hospital when
Speaker 1: a very long Again, maybe I'm like a hundred hundred
Speaker 1: fifty years old, and Elliott I, I steal the mic
Speaker 1: from you all the time, and you know you're only
Speaker 1: twenty five years so that's true, that's true. Wait a minute,
Speaker 1: was that a laugh from Athena at the idea that
Speaker 1: I might be twenty five years old? Which it's true.
Speaker 1: I am not at tring at a while. Let's move
Speaker 1: on to Caroline. Caroline, what surprised you about eb White
Speaker 1: or sine that he got inspiration for a Charlotte's web?
Speaker 1: But seeing a spider web? Isn't it amazing how you
Speaker 1: can see something so small just in everyday life, and
Speaker 1: suddenly it can turn into a story in your head.
Speaker 1: I myself am also a picture book writer, and my
Speaker 1: first picture book, which is called Worse Meats Dog, was
Speaker 1: inspired by one seeing a dog looking at a horse
Speaker 1: and trying to think about what does that dog think
Speaker 1: about that horse? And isn't amazing You can just look
Speaker 1: at animals and then suddenly you've got a story in
Speaker 1: your head. It can happen anywhere to anybody. I bet
Speaker 1: tomorrow you will walk by something and you just glance
Speaker 1: at something and you'll see it, and suddenly a whole
Speaker 1: story would jump into your head. Hey, I've got an idea.
Speaker 1: How about um uh, the giraffe in the attic, the
Speaker 1: giraffe with the dragons or the giraffe and the dragons.
Speaker 1: Thank you both for sharing things that particularly spoke to
Speaker 1: you in a surprising way about these figures from history.
Speaker 1: Now for the great moment, Jane, please spin that news
Speaker 1: in your web and announce our winner. Oh you've been
Speaker 1: vi I don't mind telling you that once again, a
Speaker 1: question about Maine has tripped up a contestant, Carolyn at
Speaker 1: nine points, but my good friend Athena started ahead with twelve.
Speaker 1: Great job Tina and Carolyn, great job to the super
Speaker 1: close game. Now Athena as our winner. You have ten
Speaker 1: seconds for shoutouts. Who are you going to thank for
Speaker 1: bringing you to this victory? Thanks Mom and Dad and
Speaker 1: the school, besting m Chenna and altime besties come trying
Speaker 1: to marry maryam Ses soon come time Nice. That's great.
Speaker 1: Now our winner in their library of choice for receiving
Speaker 1: a selection who Was Books? And I'm going to give
Speaker 1: my own shout out to intern Zach, to Jane Eric,
Speaker 1: to Matt Zambrano for being our eb white and to be,
Speaker 1: and a big thank you to both of our contestants
Speaker 1: for playing a simply wonderful game today, and of course
Speaker 1: thank you to you the listener for listening. Next week
Speaker 1: we'll find out about two more amazing people from the past.
Speaker 1: Until then, Mrs Elliott Calin saying we are history. Goodbye.
Speaker 1: Everybody got a question for any of our famous figures were?
Speaker 1: Do you want to be a contestant? Send us a
Speaker 1: voice memo at the Who Was Podcast at gmail dot
Speaker 1: com it or you might just end up on the show.
Speaker 1: The Who Was Podcast is produced by a Radio Point,
Speaker 1: I Heart Media and Penguin Workshop, and is based on
Speaker 1: the best selling who each q series published by Penguin.
Speaker 1: This show was hosted by Elliott Caylin with co host
Speaker 1: Megan O'Neill as be. It also stars Jane Baker as
Speaker 1: Jane Eric Shackney as Eric and Matt Zambrano as E. B. White.
Speaker 1: Our executive producers are Richard Corson, Alex Bach, Elliot Calin,
Speaker 1: Megan O'Neil, Daniel Powell, and Houston Snyder. Our executive producer
Speaker 1: for Penguin Workshop is, of course, Francesco Sadda, and our
Speaker 1: executive producer Fry Heart Media is Lindsay Hoffman. This episode
Speaker 1: was written by Megan O'Neill, Elliott Caylin, and Devin Coleman.
Speaker 1: He was produced by Bernie Kaminski and Taylor Kowalski. The
Speaker 1: talent was produced by Jane Baker. The theme song and
Speaker 1: the music were composed and performed by Eric Shackney. It
Speaker 1: was edited and mixed by Kate moulden Hower. It was
Speaker 1: recorded by Alison Worth. Special thanks to Zach Timpson, Charlotte DeAnda,
Speaker 1: Daniel Goodman, Michael Lewis Howard. Special thanks to all of them.
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