Speaker 1: This is Gavin Newsom. She's been called a rising star.
Speaker 1: Donald Trump referred to her as the future of the
Speaker 1: Democratic Party. Couldn't think of someone better to talk about
Speaker 1: what's going on in Texas and the jerry mandering, what's
Speaker 1: going on in Washington, DC with the National Guard than
Speaker 1: the one and only Congressman Jasmine Crockett. Thank you for
Speaker 1: doing this. I appreciate Eily at this remarkable time. So
Speaker 1: we'll just we'll jump right in because I you know,
Speaker 1: I can't even imagine you spent time in the Texas Legislature.
Speaker 1: I was watching last night a brief interview one of
Speaker 1: the members of the legislature, Nicole Collier, was in the chambers.
Speaker 1: She's not walking out because she doesn't want to be
Speaker 1: assigned a member of law enforcement to watch every move.
Speaker 1: And I just I couldn't even imagine what that experience
Speaker 1: is like. But I couldn't imagine a better person to
Speaker 1: talk about it than you. Watching all of this from afar,
Speaker 1: the impacts indirect to democracy, the direct impacts to you
Speaker 1: as a representative watching your own district lines changing, give
Speaker 1: us a sense of what you're feeling right now, what
Speaker 1: this moment means to you.
Speaker 2: So I'm feeling overwhelmed, and if you are paying attention,
Speaker 2: you should also feel that way. This isn't about me
Speaker 2: as an individual. This is about our collective democracy. It's
Speaker 2: one of the reasons that I think the country has
Speaker 2: galvanized behind what California has decided to do, because this
Speaker 2: isn't just about Texas. It's not just about the representatives
Speaker 2: in Texas. It's about the people. And so when you
Speaker 2: look at the lengths that they will go to decimate
Speaker 2: our democracy, that is when people should really have their
Speaker 2: hair on fire. And I don't care what kind of
Speaker 2: you live in and I personally don't care what your
Speaker 2: political affiliation is, because we are setting a dangerous precedence,
Speaker 2: one that could forever dismantle our democracy. So here we are,
Speaker 2: as a black woman's civil rights attorney, and I'm looking
Speaker 2: at a state that is taking state actions against a
Speaker 2: duly elected black woman to basically incarcerate her against her
Speaker 2: constitutional rights, and everybody is just kind of like, ah,
Speaker 2: you know, Texas gets to do whatever they want to
Speaker 2: do because we have a minion for a governor instead
Speaker 2: of a governor for the people of Texas. And so
Speaker 2: now because he wants to do everything that he can
Speaker 2: to kiss the raggedy.
Speaker 3: Feet of Donald Trump.
Speaker 2: This is where we stand to the extent that he
Speaker 2: is disrespecting Texans over and over and over, whether we're
Speaker 2: talking about the map, or whether we're talking about the
Speaker 2: threats that were waged against these members and their family members,
Speaker 2: or whether we're talking about a woman, a black woman,
Speaker 2: that decided that she wanted to be free in the
Speaker 2: year of twenty twenty five, and basically she had someone
Speaker 2: who decided that he wanted to act like she is
Speaker 2: on a plantation, and so therefore she had to sign
Speaker 2: documents if it was that she was to have some
Speaker 2: semblance of freedom.
Speaker 1: And look, I appreciate how you you just laid that
Speaker 1: out and with vivid and clear lines. I mean, a
Speaker 1: black woman being told she has to have someone from
Speaker 1: a white governor. I mean, you can't. The racial components
Speaker 1: of this cannot be overstated. And as you say, people
Speaker 1: are kind of rolling there, I mean, shugging their shoulders,
Speaker 1: rolling their eyes. I mean the fact that not everything
Speaker 1: is stopped in real time to sort of measure this moment,
Speaker 1: the fact that so much is being normalized in this
Speaker 1: country as we're watching democracy slip through our hands. I mean,
Speaker 1: what do we need to do to create the proverbial
Speaker 1: pattern interrupt? What do we need to do to wake
Speaker 1: people up to understand what's really at stake, what the
Speaker 1: hell is really going on, not just in Texas, increasingly
Speaker 1: across this country.
Speaker 2: I think we all have to collectively fight back, and
Speaker 2: I think that we have to take it back to
Speaker 2: elementary school, where everything legitimately was black or white, it
Speaker 2: was right versus wrong. We right now are having a
Speaker 2: moral catastrophic, you know, combustion, right like it is insane
Speaker 2: to see the lack of morality like this really isn't
Speaker 2: about whether or not you believe in, you know, the
Speaker 2: democratic platform or the Republican platform. This is truly about
Speaker 2: whether or not we believe that as Americans, that freedom
Speaker 2: should be real, that we should treat everyone as equals,
Speaker 2: that we should not diminish our democracy, because that is
Speaker 2: why we stand out and why we have been a
Speaker 2: beacon of hope around this entire world, not just in
Speaker 2: this country for people that are here. The reason that
Speaker 2: we've had so many immigrants that have always decided that
Speaker 2: they want us to come to the United States is
Speaker 2: because historically we have been the Land of the free
Speaker 2: and the land of opportunity. We are slowly just losing
Speaker 2: our standing on the national stage, whether we're looking at
Speaker 2: a president that is rolling out a red carpet for
Speaker 2: a war criminal, or whether or not we are looking
Speaker 2: at a governor that has decided that a woman would
Speaker 2: be stuck and could not leave because she had the
Speaker 2: audacity to think that her colleagues would engage in real
Speaker 2: debate and they would come back and they would fight
Speaker 2: for fair maps. Not fair maps for her, but fair
Speaker 2: maps for the thirty million Texans whose voices deserve to
Speaker 2: be heard. Considering the fact that we are a majority
Speaker 2: minority state, we're sixty percent of the people that are
Speaker 2: there are people of color, Yet every single day they
Speaker 2: are so happy to take in people of color, day
Speaker 2: after day, to the extent that we ended up gaining
Speaker 2: two new seats in the last time that we did
Speaker 2: the census. We took those seats from other states that
Speaker 2: were growing, and those seats were taken because there were
Speaker 2: black and brown bodies that came into the state of Texas.
Speaker 2: Yet they then minimize their voices. So, yes, they want
Speaker 2: their bodies, but they absolutely do not want to hear
Speaker 2: from them, and that is wrong. And again it is
Speaker 2: why we applaud California and your leadership because you.
Speaker 3: Said not on our watch. Two can play this game. Now.
Speaker 2: Should we be playing a game when it comes to
Speaker 2: something like democracy, Absolutely not. But can we afford to
Speaker 2: take the high road as they continue to take away
Speaker 2: more and more rights and we start to look more
Speaker 2: like a government that is run by Vladimir Putin than
Speaker 2: a government that is run by a respected and honorable
Speaker 2: President of the United States. No, we shouldn't stand ida we.
Speaker 1: Buy, and so you don't buy the argument two wrongs
Speaker 1: don't make a right.
Speaker 3: No, I don't.
Speaker 2: Two bongs are about to make your right in two seconds,
Speaker 2: that is for sure. And I appreciate the level of
Speaker 2: thoughtfulness that went into this because I think at the
Speaker 2: core of who we are as Democrats, regardless of what
Speaker 2: others may say about us, we really want to do
Speaker 2: what's right. The question is usually whether or not we
Speaker 2: have the courage to push forward, even in the face
Speaker 2: of adversity, to get it done. And this is ugly,
Speaker 2: this is messy, that is for sure, but it is
Speaker 2: the right thing. If you're going to take away five
Speaker 2: voices in a state in which I have been engaged
Speaker 2: in litigation since twenty twenty one over the current lines,
Speaker 2: because we have argued that these lines were terrible and illegal,
Speaker 2: and the state consistently argued for the last four years
Speaker 2: that they were racially neutral, that they were perfect and
Speaker 2: beautiful lines. And then all of a sudden they get
Speaker 2: a letter from the Attorney General of the United States.
Speaker 2: Imagine that the Attorney General of the United States decides
Speaker 2: that instead of say, building up the Civil Rights Division,
Speaker 2: that she decided to tear down. The Attorney General of
Speaker 2: the United States that is under pressure to release the
Speaker 2: Epstein files that are within her control, she decides to
Speaker 2: prioritize going after Texas and telling Texas that they actually
Speaker 2: have not been race neutral, and they decide to act
Speaker 2: based upon her instruction. And we know that her instruction
Speaker 2: came directly from him. And so now we're looking at
Speaker 2: a situation in which, no.
Speaker 3: Matter what happens, I can tell you that these maps
Speaker 3: are illegal.
Speaker 2: The question is, will we have these branches of government
Speaker 2: continue to fail us, Will we have a court that
Speaker 2: will strike this down in time and say never mind.
Speaker 3: We're going to have to draw the maps.
Speaker 2: Because historically, when we've had all three branches working. That's
Speaker 2: what happens when one of the states does wrong, and
Speaker 2: there's no way to say that the State of Sexes
Speaker 2: is doing right.
Speaker 1: You bring up twenty twenty one in your efforts in
Speaker 1: relation to the maps, but you also for those that
Speaker 1: may not be familiar. You really made a name for
Speaker 1: yourself nationally the last time when you were in the
Speaker 1: legislature I think it was twenty twenty one when you
Speaker 1: guys did a similar quorum break, and that was on
Speaker 1: different issues, but related to voting access and the like.
Speaker 1: I mean, how do you paint? What do you paint
Speaker 1: as a contrast or the paint the picture? Is this
Speaker 1: part of the same narrative? Is this sort of the
Speaker 1: extended narrative from twenty twenty one? Is this represents something
Speaker 1: that's more dramatic from your perspective? Or is this the
Speaker 1: same thread that's being pulled.
Speaker 2: No, we absolutely try to ring the alarms, and unfortunately
Speaker 2: we collectively did not rain those alarms loud enough.
Speaker 3: When we left we went to d C.
Speaker 2: When we went to DC, we asked a democratically controlled house,
Speaker 2: a democratically can trolled Senate that had a Democrat and
Speaker 2: the White House to pass the John Lewis Voting Rights
Speaker 2: Advancement Act. That particular bill would have replaced the current
Speaker 2: Voting Rights Act. It would have short up everything that
Speaker 2: we lost in Shelby the Holder, and we wouldn't be
Speaker 2: sitting on the edge of our seats wondering whether or
Speaker 2: not we would lose Section two. So, for anybody that's listening,
Speaker 2: Section two just says, basically, we want to go ahead
Speaker 2: and further codify what is in the Constitution as it
Speaker 2: relates to people of color being able to have representation.
Speaker 3: And so I have a Section two seat.
Speaker 2: What we know came out of Louisiana and Alabama for
Speaker 2: this last election was two Section two seats because they
Speaker 2: looked at a state like Louisiana and said, hey, thirty
Speaker 2: percent of the population is African American, and y'all only
Speaker 2: gave them an opportunity to elect one lawmaker to the
Speaker 2: federal level, so they had to add one. Same thing
Speaker 2: happened in Alabama, so they had to add one. So
Speaker 2: both states now have two seats where African Americans are
Speaker 2: allowed to choose their representation. Well, what they are doing
Speaker 2: right now, they got rid of all of the issues
Speaker 2: around preclearance, which means that when states go through all
Speaker 2: of this craziness and they've had, say, a history of
Speaker 2: being racially discriminatory, such as Texas. Texas has been found
Speaker 2: to be racially intentionally discriminatory every since the Voting Rights
Speaker 2: Act was passed, which is so wild for me to
Speaker 2: think of, considering the fact that it was a Texan
Speaker 2: that signed their Voting Rights Act into laws sixty years ago.
Speaker 2: So to see that, we basically were like, hey, we're
Speaker 2: ringing the alarms past the jungle was Voting Rights Advancement Act,
Speaker 2: and we wouldn't have to deal with this fight over redistricting,
Speaker 2: past the Freedom to Vote Act, and we wouldn't have
Speaker 2: had to deal with Elon must being able to actually
Speaker 2: buy an election. We were trying to throw up our
Speaker 2: democracy and screen to the top of our lungs at
Speaker 2: that point, and unfortunately, at that time, the House did
Speaker 2: their part. A democratically led House does their part. Unfortunately
Speaker 2: it was in the Senate where we did not have
Speaker 2: the support to go ahead and move past the filibuster
Speaker 2: for the purpose of voting rice. And I think that
Speaker 2: if we don't have voting rice, we get no other
Speaker 2: rights whatsoever.
Speaker 3: And so I think if there's ever a need.
Speaker 2: For a carve out, it is on behalf of making
Speaker 2: sure that we can expand access to the ballot box
Speaker 2: for those that are eligible to vote.
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Speaker 1: It begs the question of your reaction to what President
Speaker 1: Trump said yesterday as it relates to mail in ballot
Speaker 1: ballot where he now is asserting that he's got his
Speaker 1: lawyers drafting and executive order and he's going after mail
Speaker 1: in ballots, something that he is very well known for
Speaker 1: having used himself in Florida. He was an absentee ballot,
Speaker 1: meaning he was someone who went and got an absentee
Speaker 1: mailed that in like millions and millions of Americans. By
Speaker 1: the way, eighty percent in the last big election in California,
Speaker 1: folks used mail in ballots overwhelming number. What do you
Speaker 1: make of this latest effort by the president.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so, first of all, I think that California, number
Speaker 2: one is a direct target. We know that California has
Speaker 2: expanded access to the ballot box in ways in which
Speaker 2: some of us get frustrated to the extent that you
Speaker 2: do of so many mail in ballots, and you definitely
Speaker 2: had some nail bier congressional races that came down to,
Speaker 2: you know, the last batches being counted.
Speaker 3: And we know that this.
Speaker 2: Postal service isn't necessarily the best run under the current leadership, and.
Speaker 3: So yeah, it is. It is.
Speaker 2: It can be frustrating because it can make it to where,
Speaker 2: if there's tight races, it's going to take us a
Speaker 2: little time, but I think that that is what democracy
Speaker 2: looks like. It makes sure that you hear from everybody,
Speaker 2: no matter whether or not you're home at the time,
Speaker 2: no matter whether or not you are encumbered because if
Speaker 2: you leave your job, you have fear of retaliation, even
Speaker 2: though legally they're not supposed to. Whether or not you
Speaker 2: are a caretaker for your children or you're ailing parents.
Speaker 2: It allows you an opportunity to participate. And what they
Speaker 2: have decided is that participating any elections should just be
Speaker 2: reserved for the privileged few. They don't want it to
Speaker 2: be something that allows the masses to participate in We
Speaker 2: talked about twenty twenty one, but ultimately what it was
Speaker 2: is they were passing new voting law standards in the
Speaker 2: state of Texas because for the first time they weren't
Speaker 2: going to have to deal with preclearance whatsoever and get
Speaker 2: the authority, and so they decided to decimate access to
Speaker 2: ballot boxes, especially after COVID nineteen, which in the midst
Speaker 2: of COVID you had even in states like Texas, you
Speaker 2: had very creative secretaries that were going out and they
Speaker 2: were saying, hey, we need to make sure that people
Speaker 2: can vote and be safe. You should not have to
Speaker 2: risk your life to cast your vote. And so they
Speaker 2: decided that they were going to expand hours in Harris
Speaker 2: County where they had twenty four hour voting, they had
Speaker 2: drive through voting, They did all these things to make
Speaker 2: sure that it was easier. They had multiple drop boxes
Speaker 2: so that you didn't have to worry about putting it
Speaker 2: into the mail itself. You could drop it at a
Speaker 2: drop box throughout the country, throughout the county. Well, they
Speaker 2: didn't like that because the number showed that working class.
Speaker 3: Folk were absolutely able to participate.
Speaker 2: And if you look at the platform or if you
Speaker 2: just look at the actions of the Republicans, they don't
Speaker 2: have anything good number one for people of color, and
Speaker 2: definitely they don't have.
Speaker 3: Anything good for working class people.
Speaker 2: So the things that they are trying to do is like, yeah,
Speaker 2: if you've got the luxury where you don't have to
Speaker 2: worry about losing your job, you don't have to worry
Speaker 2: about taking care of that kid, you don't have to
Speaker 2: worry about taking care of your mom.
Speaker 3: No, you can just go to the ballot box and
Speaker 3: just vote.
Speaker 2: And they feel like those are the only people that
Speaker 2: they want to participate, and so it is very intentional.
Speaker 2: It is disgusting, and it is one of the reasons
Speaker 2: that people are so disenchanted, in my opinion, with politics,
Speaker 2: because they'll say one thing and do another. And I
Speaker 2: just want people to know that there is a difference
Speaker 2: between Democrats and Republicans. Regardless of what it seems like.
Speaker 2: Republicans will say whatever it is to convince you to vote.
Speaker 2: They won't go out there and campaign say oh, yeah,
Speaker 2: we're going to lower the taxes on the super rich,
Speaker 2: the super wealthy. At the same time, we're going to
Speaker 2: go ahead and take away your health care. We're gonna
Speaker 2: go ahead and take away your access to education, which
Speaker 2: is your pathway to upward mobility. They're not going to
Speaker 2: tell you, like the real story, that they're going to
Speaker 2: take food off the tables of people that are hungry
Speaker 2: in this country while at the same time complaining about
Speaker 2: unhoused people and trying to stuffle them off their streets.
Speaker 3: They're not going to.
Speaker 2: Tell you that they're going to decimate the economy as
Speaker 2: they always do and then we have to wait on
Speaker 2: a Democrat to come in and clean it up. They're
Speaker 2: not going to tell you the truth, but they will
Speaker 2: go after the things that they really want to go after.
Speaker 2: Now that is now, that is real. But Democrats, we
Speaker 2: will tell you, and we can give you a dissertation
Speaker 2: of all the great things that we want to do.
Speaker 3: But we also have.
Speaker 2: This inclination to do things and be like, well we
Speaker 2: want to be by partners. No, at the end of
Speaker 2: the day, if we've got the numbers and they don't
Speaker 2: want to get on board for not only taking care
Speaker 2: of our constituents, but frankly, a lot of times we're
Speaker 2: doing the hard work to take care of their constituents,
Speaker 2: a lot more work and heavy lifting than they're doing.
Speaker 2: And so what people want to see nowadays, and I
Speaker 2: get it, is they want to see Democrats be just
Speaker 2: as aggressive as Republicans are when they are trying to
Speaker 2: introduce regression into this country. They want us to be
Speaker 2: as aggressive trying to make sure that we can actually
Speaker 2: uplift this country.
Speaker 1: Well, there's so much unpacked there in the word regression.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's about rights regression. It's about rolling, putting
Speaker 1: America back reverse, bringing us back to a pre nineteen
Speaker 1: sixties world. As it relates to voting rights, women's rights,
Speaker 1: LGBTQ rights across the spectrum. I don't think that's exaggeration
Speaker 1: nor what you said about jobs. And for folks listening,
Speaker 1: since nineteen eighty nine, the end of the Cold War,
Speaker 1: it's important to be reminded of this. Bill Clinton made
Speaker 1: this point at the DNC in his speech. Fifty two
Speaker 1: million American jobs have been created since the end of
Speaker 1: the Cold War, three Republican administrations, three Democratic administrations. Ninety
Speaker 1: six percent. Ninety six percent have been created under Democratic administrations.
Speaker 1: The last three Republican administrations have one thing in common,
Speaker 1: recessions one point nine million jobs creating the last three
Speaker 1: Republican administrations over sixteen million in the Biden administration. Just
Speaker 1: as another proof point to the extent you needed it.
Speaker 1: But Congressman, I want to talk about another proof point
Speaker 1: on democracy. We talk about jerry mandering. We talk about
Speaker 1: what you guys did in terms of voting, that John
Speaker 1: Lewis Act, which was about an independent National Redistricting Commission,
Speaker 1: which the Democratic Party Republicans were nowhere to be found.
Speaker 1: The Democratic Party has supported and they're on record supporting.
Speaker 1: We talked about what he's trying to do on mail
Speaker 1: in ballots, and I referenced the last election was twenty twenty,
Speaker 1: and you reminded me of that where we were at
Speaker 1: eighty percent coming out of COVID in terms of the
Speaker 1: vote by mail, in the convenience and the opportunity and
Speaker 1: the security that exists bar codes, requirements on signatures, there
Speaker 1: is a process where you actually can track where your
Speaker 1: mail in ballot is. And once one ballot is cast,
Speaker 1: there is no other ballot that can be cast. All
Speaker 1: the bs Trump is suggesting is a lie. Otherwise as
Speaker 1: it relates though to the National Guard, it seems to
Speaker 1: me all this stuff is connected. It's none of this
Speaker 1: is in isolation. Everyone has to pay attention. These dots
Speaker 1: need to be connected. You've got the National Guard being
Speaker 1: sent now, and you talk about what Republicans don't tell you.
Speaker 1: Those governors didn't tell you they were going to send
Speaker 1: them from Tennessee, South Carolina, send them from all of
Speaker 1: these other states into Washington, d C. You work there,
Speaker 1: You spend your dating, a lot of your time there.
Speaker 1: Tell me what it's like in d C. Tell me
Speaker 1: what you think this is really all about, And tell
Speaker 1: me if you think this is a preview of things
Speaker 1: to come, particularly dare I say around election in the
Speaker 1: mid terms, and beyond.
Speaker 2: Yeah, is very dystopian to see. It's funny because I
Speaker 2: used to watch like The Handmaid's Tail and I can't right,
Speaker 2: I never finished and I can't watch it because it
Speaker 2: is too close to reality. And so what we're seeing
Speaker 2: is this militarization. And obviously it started in your state.
Speaker 2: That was kind of the testing grounds, going to your state,
Speaker 2: going to a black woman mayor's city first, and now
Speaker 2: we are in yet another black woman led city and
Speaker 2: taking over. And to me, it goes again to the
Speaker 2: level of racism and hate that is constantly spewed out
Speaker 2: of this administration.
Speaker 3: Now they hate for you to call them.
Speaker 2: What they are, but listen, I mean, if it walked
Speaker 2: like a duck, quack like a duck, then I guess
Speaker 2: it is a duck. So like racism is racism, and
Speaker 2: you are specifically targeting these black lead areas. But more importantly,
Speaker 2: when you start to connect the dots. One of the
Speaker 2: things that we didn't talk about as much when we
Speaker 2: were trying to push forward against the draconian legislation that
Speaker 2: was coming out of the state of Texas at the
Speaker 2: time back in twenty twenty one, was there was this
Speaker 2: provision about having basically people be able to monitor you
Speaker 2: while you were voting. And there was like recordings that
Speaker 2: came out where these groups had gotten together and they're like,
Speaker 2: we're going to go down there, and they were talking
Speaker 2: about going into the areas that were predominantly people of
Speaker 2: color and monitoring them while they were voting. And they
Speaker 2: were limiting the ability of the election judges and the
Speaker 2: election workers to actually remove those people even if they
Speaker 2: were interfering with someone's ability to vote. So it was like, nope,
Speaker 2: you got to give them one pass so they could
Speaker 2: break one law for free, and then you could only
Speaker 2: get them out when they committed the second violation. And
Speaker 2: at the same time, they were changing access to firearms
Speaker 2: and so essentially in these locations you could have all
Speaker 2: these rogue actors that are armed as people of color
Speaker 2: are trying to go in and cast their votes. If
Speaker 2: nothing looks like pre civil war in this country, that
Speaker 2: does like that imagery, right, So now you have someone
Speaker 2: who believes in this type of philosophy who now has
Speaker 2: control of our National Guard.
Speaker 3: And so, you know, the idea that we.
Speaker 2: Thought January sixth was a problem and we thought, oh man,
Speaker 2: that's bad, and you know, His army then was.
Speaker 3: A bunch of white nationalists races.
Speaker 2: Whether we're talking about the Proud Boys or the Neo
Speaker 2: Nazis or whomever, those guys were the ones that made
Speaker 2: up his army on that day to try to pull
Speaker 2: a coup. Now you're talking about a guy that every
Speaker 2: time he disagrees with something, he uses the power that
Speaker 2: he has because no one around him is checking him,
Speaker 2: whether we're talking about those in his administration, or whether
Speaker 2: we're talking about the courts, or if we're talking about
Speaker 2: the Congress. That is one of the reasons he is
Speaker 2: so desperate to make sure that he can win in
Speaker 2: the midterms is because he knows that Democrats is not
Speaker 2: even about partisanship. It's about doing what's right. It's about
Speaker 2: doing the American thing. And to be clear, you can
Speaker 2: wave all the flags you want to, but I am
Speaker 2: telling you right now that the most unpatriotic people that
Speaker 2: we have in this country are Maga and this president.
Speaker 2: We are the real patriots, and it is time for
Speaker 2: us to take our flag back and show people what
Speaker 2: America is about.
Speaker 3: You can't say that you.
Speaker 2: Love the Constitution while decimating it with every single stroke
Speaker 2: of a pen. For an executive order while decimating it,
Speaker 2: while you are disrespecting our troops that have signed up
Speaker 2: to protect our freedoms not just here but abroad, and
Speaker 2: then you're taking people's freedoms away using those exact same troops.
Speaker 3: Like, I just don't understand.
Speaker 2: You know, It's funny as people have been talking about
Speaker 2: what's happening with Revnical Collier, and I've been watching some
Speaker 2: of the influencers online and people are asking, what is
Speaker 2: the red line for you?
Speaker 3: Like what will be a.
Speaker 2: Bridge too far? Like why is it that people are
Speaker 2: still confused about.
Speaker 3: What is happening?
Speaker 2: And why is it that no Republican will publicly come
Speaker 2: out and just say, you know what, I'm gonna do
Speaker 2: what's right. When it came down to Senator Tom Tillis instead,
Speaker 2: he said, well, listen, I'm gonna just.
Speaker 3: Go ahead and not run for reelection and I'm going
Speaker 3: to vote against your ugly bill.
Speaker 2: But why is it that those that know that this
Speaker 2: is wrong, Why is it that they won't just say
Speaker 2: that I never swore an oath to any wanna be king.
Speaker 2: I swore my oath to the Constitution, and I'm gonna
Speaker 2: honor that. Why is it that we don't have that
Speaker 2: happening right now amongst the Republicans in the House and
Speaker 2: in the Senate, Color.
Speaker 1: Soman, do you hear privately things differently? I mean, do
Speaker 1: you have casual conversations where people have at least there's
Speaker 1: some courage of their convictions and a little bit of
Speaker 1: character and say, hey, you know, you know, I just
Speaker 1: you know, I gotta do this. You know, he were
Speaker 1: just it's temporary. We just you know, we can't what
Speaker 1: I mean, what are they saying?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 3: Absolutely.
Speaker 2: I remember right before he won because one of the
Speaker 2: things he did campaign on was tarriffs.
Speaker 3: Now, most people didn't understand it. Of course he lied
Speaker 3: about who would.
Speaker 2: Be paying the taxes, but he did actually campaign on tariffs.
Speaker 2: And I remember walking into oversight of all places, and
Speaker 2: I remember a member saying, just so you know, if
Speaker 2: y'all end up taking the House, because they were nervous
Speaker 2: that they were going to lose the House, if y'all
Speaker 2: end up taking the House, we'll stand with you against
Speaker 2: the tariffs. Like this is what a member said, because
Speaker 2: that member remembers what happened to our soybeing farmers, our
Speaker 2: soybeing farmers who never recovered and ultimately they ended up
Speaker 2: giving them a subsidy for all that they lost. But
Speaker 2: once you lose your ability to participate in a certain market,
Speaker 2: it is gone, like and we can't continue to just
Speaker 2: subsidize you to say in existence. They actually want to
Speaker 2: be able to sell their products and be able to
Speaker 2: profit in that way.
Speaker 3: And so I'm like, this is so interesting.
Speaker 2: You absolutely were against the tariffs and when given an
Speaker 2: opportunity to do what's right because you know that this
Speaker 2: is going to directly impact it impacts all of us.
Speaker 2: But when you're talking about rural America that is already
Speaker 2: bleeding population so badly, when we know that we're losing
Speaker 2: farms consistently, and these are the people that have directly
Speaker 2: elected you, and then you're not going out front on
Speaker 2: that issue.
Speaker 3: That's been one of the issues.
Speaker 2: They for sure were struggling with the big Ugly bill.
Speaker 3: That is why we ended up.
Speaker 2: You know, they finally decided they wanted to try to
Speaker 2: pass it in the middle of the night. They were struggling,
Speaker 2: and I was like, listen, you guys have put out
Speaker 2: a memo saying no more town halls, because you know
Speaker 2: that when you walk in your constituents are mad at
Speaker 2: YOUO ours aren't mad at us, like it's bad legislation.
Speaker 2: But they were afraid about being primary. They were afraid
Speaker 2: about money being spent against them. And it is one
Speaker 2: of the worst parts of having such scary mandered districts
Speaker 2: because ultimately they are having to go as far right
Speaker 2: as possible to end up making it out of their primary,
Speaker 2: and ultimately they don't have to worry about the general
Speaker 2: election because it is drawn to be such a far right,
Speaker 2: deep red district. That is yet another bad by product
Speaker 2: of doing jerrymandering.
Speaker 1: I'm going to get to you in a second because
Speaker 1: I'm fascinated by your approach to politics and how you
Speaker 1: come on the scene in such sort of vivid ways.
Speaker 1: And I say vivid, very complimentary, meaning your person of conviction.
Speaker 1: You share your passion with action, You call people out,
Speaker 1: and I think this conversation only underscores as well your
Speaker 1: willingness to call balls and strikes too. Is it relates
Speaker 1: not being about democrat, not being about republic and you
Speaker 1: talk in terms of patriotism. I love Democrats. How the
Speaker 1: hell did we lose this battle on patriotes just because
Speaker 1: you put a flag on your lapel of a sudden,
Speaker 1: you're patriotic, Our party is not. So I want to
Speaker 1: get back to all that in a second, but I
Speaker 1: do want to get just you know, there's three legs
Speaker 1: of the stool as it relates to what's happening in
Speaker 1: the National Guard, what's happening with jerry mandry, what's happening
Speaker 1: vote by mail. But there's also something that, speaking of vivid,
Speaker 1: came to us in very vivid ways last week where
Speaker 1: we were at the Democracy Center in California and we
Speaker 1: launched our campaign to try to neuter what's happening to
Speaker 1: you individually, what's happening to all of your former colleagues collectively,
Speaker 1: and what's happened here a country on jerrymandery in Texas.
Speaker 1: But we are there at the site where people were
Speaker 1: being bussed in the nineteen forties to Japanese internment camps,
Speaker 1: and at that exact side, at the exact moment of
Speaker 1: our press conference, Donald Trump sent what is increasingly being
Speaker 1: referred to as a private army funded unprecedented ways by
Speaker 1: the big beautiful betrayal, big beautiful Bill, big beautiful, ugly Bill,
Speaker 1: whatever it's referred to by those same colleagues. You were
Speaker 1: referencing that allows him to further resource border Patrol in Ice,
Speaker 1: and they showed up with the Regional director of the
Speaker 1: Border Patrol as their pr flack at the exact same
Speaker 1: site that people were being bussed to interment camps in
Speaker 1: this country. It was to me chilling in this respect
Speaker 1: that for me it was obvious this is also a
Speaker 1: preview of things to come. We said it about the
Speaker 1: National Guard when they were federalized four thousand or mind
Speaker 1: people listening watching four thousand National Guard were federalized. It
Speaker 1: was the first time the President of the United States,
Speaker 1: Donald Trump didn't do us in his first term since
Speaker 1: seven hundred active military marines, not overseas, but to a
Speaker 1: city in the United States of America. The city. Yes,
Speaker 1: you're right, and I think it is absolutely jit run
Speaker 1: by an African American woman. You start to find those
Speaker 1: dots and they have a lot in common with what
Speaker 1: you're referring to and what he's doing across this country
Speaker 1: as well. But I see a future where ICE shows
Speaker 1: up to those lines that you were referencing to those
Speaker 1: voting boosts, not just the National Guard being called out
Speaker 1: under a quote unquote declaration of emergency AM I overstating
Speaker 1: that concern or do you see tenants of that? Are
Speaker 1: you concerned about that as well?
Speaker 2: I think that there are no limits that Ice will
Speaker 2: not go. I do feel like this is definitely his
Speaker 2: personal army. We know that we've seen reports about January
Speaker 2: six ers that have somehow been offered jobs within the
Speaker 2: Department of Justice and within various kind of spaces. I
Speaker 2: think that there may have even been some reports as
Speaker 2: relates to Ice.
Speaker 3: One of the reasons that.
Speaker 2: I argue that they are hiding their faces is because
Speaker 2: these are people that should not be law enforcement at all.
Speaker 2: In fact, I recently dropped one of my bills that
Speaker 2: was an amendment as we were going through the process
Speaker 2: of the Big Ugly Bill, where I was trying to
Speaker 2: get an amendment in judiciary as it relates to Homeland
Speaker 2: and what was going on as they were trying to
Speaker 2: increase the dollars going to Homeland, and obviously ultimately when
Speaker 2: the budget came out or when we got through reconciliation,
Speaker 2: they did increase the amount of moneys going there.
Speaker 3: But I basically did an amendment that said, hey, if
Speaker 3: you end.
Speaker 2: Up covering yourself, then no, you don't get the moneies, like,
Speaker 2: you can't be out there, You've got to be clearly identified,
Speaker 2: and frankly, it is for the safety not only of
Speaker 2: the officers but also of the general public, as we've
Speaker 2: seen so many reports of people that are costplaying as
Speaker 2: ICE and they are then kidnapping people, they are then
Speaker 2: vandalizing homes and cars, and so it is emboldening the
Speaker 2: bad actors to continue acting bad. But the question is
Speaker 2: how many of the bad actors are actually on the
Speaker 2: inside right now, And they don't because they're not, in
Speaker 2: my opinion, real law enforcement.
Speaker 3: So many of them, Like we're not talking about the people.
Speaker 2: That have been there for a very long time and
Speaker 2: understand how ICE works, because I'm like, honestly, the stuff
Speaker 2: that y'all are doing is crazy. Anyway, Like people look
Speaker 2: at law enforcement or people with guns and badges and
Speaker 2: they think they're all the same.
Speaker 3: They are not trying the same.
Speaker 2: Whether we're talking about our marines, whether we're talking about
Speaker 2: our army, whether we're talking about our navy like whoever
Speaker 2: we're talking about right or what that we're talking about,
Speaker 2: like our air force, and whether we're talking about our
Speaker 2: local law enforcement versus ICE. They're not trained the same.
Speaker 2: Local law enforcement is always going to be your investigative group.
Speaker 2: These are the guys that go out and find the criminals.
Speaker 2: And I got news for you. If you're a criminal,
Speaker 2: They don't first determine your status and whether or not
Speaker 2: it's legal, or whether or not there's some issues as
Speaker 2: relates to your documentation, and then decide, well, you know what,
Speaker 2: we only go after the citizens.
Speaker 3: We don't go after the non citizens. ICE does that.
Speaker 3: That is wrong.
Speaker 2: Investigative bodies. They do this work all the time. If
Speaker 2: there is evidence of a murder, if there is evidence
Speaker 2: of a rape, a robbery, a DWI, whatever it is,
Speaker 2: they look at the evidence, they follow the facts, and
Speaker 2: then they get to a perpetrator and it's only once
Speaker 2: that perpetrator is then in custody. ICE for the most part,
Speaker 2: is nothing but a ride. That's all they were supposed
Speaker 2: to do for the most part. Right It's like, you
Speaker 2: know what, this person is undocumented, or this person re
Speaker 2: there's a country illegally, all the things, and then they
Speaker 2: have an ICE hold and then ICE gets them so
Speaker 2: that they've min sent them out. That's all ICE is
Speaker 2: supposed to do. Look at them as a fancy uber
Speaker 2: driver for immigrants.
Speaker 3: That's all they're supposed to do.
Speaker 2: And now they're running into places and doing raids and
Speaker 2: they're falling all over each other injuring each other like
Speaker 2: we are a joke, but it is a bad nightmare
Speaker 2: of a joke. And so I don't think that this
Speaker 2: president has any limits.
Speaker 3: That he won't go to.
Speaker 2: So I agree with you ultimately, if there's something that
Speaker 2: he wants to accomplish, he has you know, I don't
Speaker 2: even want to say her name, but he's got our
Speaker 2: leading the Department of Homeland Security. And again, you know,
Speaker 2: this is where our text and balances failed us again
Speaker 2: because these senators allowed for these persons to go through
Speaker 2: the confirmation process and they're not qualified, like there should
Speaker 2: have been more senators.
Speaker 3: And you know, I will give love to the few.
Speaker 2: Republican senators they refused to sign off on the confirmation
Speaker 2: of some of these appointees within this cabinet.
Speaker 3: But this is yet another reason that we are.
Speaker 2: Being failed right now because we don't have someone that
Speaker 2: is currently over homeland And we'll tell the President this
Speaker 2: is a violation of people's constitutional rights, like the whole
Speaker 2: idea of due process. You don't even know what it means,
Speaker 2: and you are leading like Homeland like this doesn't make sense.
Speaker 2: So we've got a series of failures, and frankly, it
Speaker 2: feels like it was the perfect storm for him to
Speaker 2: come in at this time because people are just too
Speaker 2: afraid of him and they are bending the knees. So
Speaker 2: I absolutely can see a scenario where I does too much.
Speaker 1: Well, if you were referring to Christinome you may have been,
Speaker 1: I would suggest you should and I hope you were.
Speaker 1: This is the same Christinome governor home that just last September,
Speaker 1: less than a year ago, was on Fox with Hannity,
Speaker 1: outraged by the rumor that then President Joe Biden was
Speaker 1: going to federalize her National Guard, and she was waxing
Speaker 1: on about the Constitution and the tenth Amendment in federalism,
Speaker 1: and Sean Hannity was sitting there shaking his head as
Speaker 1: a puppy dog, saying, boy, Governor, isn't that true? Fast
Speaker 1: forward to today. It is a remarkable moment, but I
Speaker 1: want to just pour a brief moment talk again about
Speaker 1: you talk about one doing your job. I imagine a
Speaker 1: lot of people said, you're new into Congress, your job
Speaker 1: is just to get along, sit back, be quiet, Get
Speaker 1: to know folks, take your time, because time's really the
Speaker 1: currency in DC. Eventually, maybe twenty thirty years from now,
Speaker 1: you'll be chair of a committee. I don't see that
Speaker 1: with you at all. You didn't take any time to
Speaker 1: sort of just come out, just say like it is.
Speaker 1: Call out people is motivation, nature, nurture. Was this mom
Speaker 1: and dad? Was this who you were as a kid?
Speaker 1: Or is this who you know? Life is sort of
Speaker 1: you know, is the world sort of creating your I mean,
Speaker 1: are you sort of meeting this moment because you're so,
Speaker 1: You're just you need to be held to a higher
Speaker 1: level accountability because you need to call out what the
Speaker 1: hell's going on.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, Governor, you've been involved in politics for a
Speaker 2: very long time, and with that you have seen a
Speaker 2: lot of different types of politicians.
Speaker 3: People enter this arena with different goals.
Speaker 2: And I can tell you that I was not born
Speaker 2: into a family that was super involved in politics. My
Speaker 2: parents voted, for sure, but they never aspired to be politicians.
Speaker 3: They never pushed me to be a politician.
Speaker 2: I never took one policide class when I was in college.
Speaker 3: I was not interested whatsoever.
Speaker 2: And so I think every once in a while you
Speaker 2: do run across some of them that have literally said,
Speaker 2: this moment calls for me to step up, and who
Speaker 2: knows what will happen, And ultimately, like that's the story
Speaker 2: of me being involved in politics. Even by the time
Speaker 2: I got to the state House, and I was so
Speaker 2: happy to be there. It was the closest state house race.
Speaker 2: I was the barely state representative in the state of Sexes.
Speaker 2: I always tell people I was a thank you Lottie
Speaker 2: into this state House. I won my election by a
Speaker 2: mere ninety votes. I think that was the ultimate number.
Speaker 2: And so I won by ninety votes, and I was
Speaker 2: an underdog. I was outspent five to one, but I
Speaker 2: was not outworked, and I was able to convince about
Speaker 2: three hundred volunteers to get involved in a state house race,
Speaker 2: which was unprecedented. But people believed in my vision and
Speaker 2: they believed in my grit and grind. And it was
Speaker 2: only after one term in the state House that I
Speaker 2: was called up to the federal level, which I had
Speaker 2: no intention whatsoever of going to.
Speaker 3: That was not my aspiration. Even though so many people use.
Speaker 2: These positions as stepping stones to get somewhere else, that
Speaker 2: they're trying to get to. In fact, I remember people
Speaker 2: telling me like, oh, you can't be a state rep.
Speaker 2: You've got to go be like city council first.
Speaker 3: And I was like why.
Speaker 2: I was like, I don't want to do city stuff,
Speaker 2: like I want to do the safe stuff, So why
Speaker 2: would I do that? And to me, it does a
Speaker 2: disservice for the people that you're serving if you're literally
Speaker 2: just there trying to get somewhere else. And so when
Speaker 2: I got called by my predecessor, along with a former
Speaker 2: ambassador under Clinton, and so many other people were calling,
Speaker 2: and I tell people all the time that God has
Speaker 2: to yell at me to get.
Speaker 3: Me to move. But they were like, you you should,
Speaker 3: you should go to Congress. And I was like no.
Speaker 2: I was like, I just, you know, barely got out
Speaker 2: of this election. I don't want to sign up for
Speaker 2: another hard one. And I knew it was going to
Speaker 2: be difficult because my predecessor is the only person that
Speaker 2: ever served the district.
Speaker 3: She was actually in.
Speaker 2: The Texas Senate and she was on the Redistrict and
Speaker 2: Committee when the seat was created, and so she then
Speaker 2: ran for the seat and she served for thirty years
Speaker 2: on the federal level, and so there have been people
Speaker 2: waiting for decades to run for this seat, and so
Speaker 2: there ended up being ten of us. But I believed
Speaker 2: that for whatever reason, God was really saying, no, you've got.
Speaker 3: To do it, even though you don't really want to
Speaker 3: do it.
Speaker 2: And never did I imagine a scenario where I would
Speaker 2: be one of four hundred and thirty five and a freshman.
Speaker 3: Where anyone would know my name.
Speaker 2: When you talk to the average person and you ask
Speaker 2: them name, you know, five named ten members of the House.
Speaker 3: They can't do it.
Speaker 2: So why would I think that somehow I would end
Speaker 2: up in this situation? And as I told the story
Speaker 2: at the DNC about my encounter, my first in person
Speaker 2: encounter with the Vice President, I was really struggling with
Speaker 2: whether or not I really had done the right thing.
Speaker 2: I mean, I had gone through a lot, I won,
Speaker 2: I didn't really know that I was really fitting and
Speaker 2: I just didn't know. And I still struggle. I'll be honest,
Speaker 2: I still struggle. I don't struggle like I initially did
Speaker 2: because when I go home, or even when I go
Speaker 2: other places, whether it is kids that have no ability
Speaker 2: whatsoever to vote but love me and are telling me
Speaker 2: that they're watching me, and I'm like, what is wrong
Speaker 2: with your parents? Because I sometimes say things that I shouldn't,
Speaker 2: you know, but like them being inspired or whether it
Speaker 2: is how everything unfolded with the Marjorie Taylor Green scenario
Speaker 2: and having like black women executives that are sitting in
Speaker 2: these rooms and these tables where the micro and sometimes
Speaker 2: macro aggressions are so real with their colleagues, but feeling
Speaker 2: like like, you know, what if the congresswoman could stand
Speaker 2: in her power, I can stand in mind. Now you know,
Speaker 2: the advice is not to call anybody a butch body
Speaker 2: or a big back or nothing, but but nevertheless, like
Speaker 2: letting them know that you won't power because you know
Speaker 2: that you had to work so hard to get in
Speaker 2: those rooms, and so like understanding my impact on the
Speaker 2: outside gives me my fuel to stay on the inside.
Speaker 2: But it's tough because as you know, how these systems work,
Speaker 2: it is a matter of well, you got to be
Speaker 2: here forever, and that's how you'll get something done.
Speaker 3: And I'm like, I'm not here to be here forever, Like.
Speaker 2: I didn't know i'd be here at all, right, So
Speaker 2: I need to make the best of this moment and
Speaker 2: I think that it does a disservice to my constituents
Speaker 2: to say, well, unfortunately, since I just got here, nothing's.
Speaker 3: Going to happen. Like that's not full representation whatsoever.
Speaker 2: So you know, I think if enough people push a
Speaker 2: push against the system, then you can start to reshape
Speaker 2: the system.
Speaker 3: But we still got a lot of pushing to do.
Speaker 1: We love your clarity, your conviction, love your authenticity, and
Speaker 1: Republicans have been watching and that's why they have your
Speaker 1: I mean, let's and we'll end on this. They're trying
Speaker 1: to end your political career in Texas. One of the
Speaker 1: five maps that they've put forward excludes your current district.
Speaker 1: Right you would no longer be quote unquote living in
Speaker 1: the district that they're redrying.
Speaker 2: So what they did is they drew me out of
Speaker 2: my districts. But since it's federal, I can run anywhere
Speaker 2: in the state, So so long as there is a seat,
Speaker 2: I could most likely run anywhere in the state. But
Speaker 2: right now, the seat that they drew me into is
Speaker 2: also a Democratic seat, and then my old seat is
Speaker 2: still a Democratic seat. So I feel confident that if
Speaker 2: I decide that I'm going back to the House, that
Speaker 2: I'll be able to go back to the House. The
Speaker 2: thing is, we have three Democrats that that served the
Speaker 2: Dallas area, the Dallas Fort Worth area, and now there's
Speaker 2: only two seats for Democrats to really kind of be
Speaker 2: able to run in. And so I've got to have
Speaker 2: a conversation with my colleagues to figure.
Speaker 3: Out, you know, what are we doing and where.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I'm probably in to be honest, I'm probably
Speaker 2: in the best situation of the three of us because
Speaker 2: both seats are easy enough for me to win, and
Speaker 2: at least I live in one and I used to
Speaker 2: represent the other. The other two colleagues that I have
Speaker 2: are both in Republican drawing seats now, so they would
Speaker 2: have to run from outside of their districts or move
Speaker 2: to make people feel comfortable with like them representing their.
Speaker 1: Areas and tell the truth, you know, I'd be remiss
Speaker 1: a lot of rumors about the United States Senate, And
Speaker 1: I mean just you've had to have some conversations about it.
Speaker 3: Right, I have.
Speaker 2: And I will tell you that there are always people
Speaker 2: that are, you know, yelling and screaming for me to
Speaker 2: go higher. I will tell you, ever since I got
Speaker 2: to the House, they were yelling in screaming for me
Speaker 2: to go higher. And I can tell you that even
Speaker 2: when I was a freshman, they did not want me
Speaker 2: to seek re election but instead go after Ted Cruz.
Speaker 3: And I was like, I just got here. I'm not
Speaker 3: going to do that.
Speaker 2: And so obviously Colin Alred went after Ted Cruz, and
Speaker 2: Colin Alred is now going again after most likely Paxson
Speaker 2: and Paxton.
Speaker 3: Makes the seat vulnerable, but it would have to be.
Speaker 2: I will tell you that if I were to run
Speaker 2: for Senate, it would be because I am convinced of
Speaker 2: the data that my team, not external data, but the
Speaker 2: data that my team is able to pull together.
Speaker 3: That shows that I can do it.
Speaker 2: And I think that anyone who believes that they can
Speaker 2: win the Texas seat without expanding the electorate, they already
Speaker 2: have lost because when we look at the electorate, it
Speaker 2: always goes one way, and so you have to have
Speaker 2: the ability to expand. And I also agree with Beto
Speaker 2: O'Rourke who believes that we need an actual ticket we
Speaker 2: typically run and whoever's at the top of the ticket
Speaker 2: is like it instead of really having like a very
Speaker 2: strong ticket where different people can bring together different constituencies.
Speaker 2: So there would be a lot that would go into it.
Speaker 2: It is not impossible to do in Texas. It is
Speaker 2: definitely a difficult hill to climb. But I just don't
Speaker 2: really know where we're going in this country when you know,
Speaker 2: we've got a thirty four account convicted felon in the
Speaker 2: White House, and we've got, you know, a guy who
Speaker 2: was impeached by his own party that is leading the way,
Speaker 2: who was under felony indictment for almost.
Speaker 3: A decade, and who had.
Speaker 2: Been under federal investigation forever, and he's their leading candidate
Speaker 2: to be the next senator from the state of Texas.
Speaker 2: It just seems like there is no low that some
Speaker 2: of these people just won't go just to say that
Speaker 2: they have a Republican versus looking at people's policies and
Speaker 2: figuring out who will do best by me, regardless of
Speaker 2: the label that is on them. And I want people
Speaker 2: going forward. One of the things that I said during
Speaker 2: the last campaign is I want people to be selfish.
Speaker 2: I want you to be selfish and decide that you're
Speaker 2: going to look at what somebody is going to do
Speaker 2: for you, and if they don't have an answer about.
Speaker 3: Why you don't have healthcare and rule America.
Speaker 2: They may not be your candidate if they don't have
Speaker 2: an answer about where you are going to get new
Speaker 2: markets as they are cutting out government funding for things
Speaker 2: such as US AID. With these contracts where we were
Speaker 2: getting farmers to actually farm and then sell the items
Speaker 2: and then send them over where we know that our
Speaker 2: free school lunches are about to be decimated as well,
Speaker 2: and so many farmers had contracts with so many schools
Speaker 2: or I mean, the list goes on and on and on,
Speaker 2: and so it is time for people to be selfish
Speaker 2: and decide that they first of all understand what government is.
Speaker 3: Supposed to do.
Speaker 2: Which government isn't supposed to take you to church. If
Speaker 2: you need to go to church, go find your pastor.
Speaker 2: And I'm down for it because I love my pastor.
Speaker 2: I ride with my pastor when my pastor shows up
Speaker 2: for me. I am not saying there's anything wrong with it.
Speaker 2: But if you are seeking a good church and a
Speaker 2: good spiritual leader, go to church. If you are seeking
Speaker 2: this thing that we refer to as separation of government
Speaker 2: and church, or church and state, then you probably need
Speaker 2: to go find you an actual statesman who absolutely understands
Speaker 2: what it is to take care of us in this
Speaker 2: country and make sure that we've got a stronger economy
Speaker 2: and that we are investing in our future so that
Speaker 2: we can remain that becon of hope for the entire world.
Speaker 1: I love it well, it's faith and works, as they say,
Speaker 1: as you pray, move your feet. And we've been watching
Speaker 1: you and it's remarkable to see your success. And I
Speaker 1: think everybody listening knows why you are quote unquote one
Speaker 1: of the rising stars as most observers have acknowledged in
Speaker 1: the Democratic Party, and why Donald Trump himself dogress woman, yes,
Speaker 1: get over it, called you the future of the Democratic Party.
Speaker 1: Thank you for joining us today.