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Speaker 1: Donald Trump referred to her as the future of the

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Speaker 1: Democratic Party. Couldn't think of someone better to talk about

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Speaker 1: what's going on in Texas and the jerry mandering, what's

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Speaker 1: the one and only Congressman Jasmine Crockett. Thank you for

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Speaker 1: doing this. I appreciate Eily at this remarkable time. So

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Speaker 1: we'll just we'll jump right in because I you know,

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Speaker 1: I can't even imagine you spent time in the Texas Legislature.

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Speaker 1: She's not walking out because she doesn't want to be

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Speaker 1: And I just I couldn't even imagine what that experience

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Speaker 1: the impacts indirect to democracy, the direct impacts to you

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Speaker 1: as a representative watching your own district lines changing, give

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Speaker 2: So I'm feeling overwhelmed, and if you are paying attention,

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Speaker 2: you should also feel that way. This isn't about me

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Speaker 2: as an individual. This is about our collective democracy. It's

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Speaker 2: isn't just about Texas. It's not just about the representatives

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Speaker 2: as a black woman's civil rights attorney, and I'm looking

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Speaker 3: Feet of Donald Trump.

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Speaker 2: This is where we stand to the extent that he

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Speaker 1: And look, I appreciate how you you just laid that

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Speaker 2: Yet they then minimize their voices. So, yes, they want

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Speaker 3: Said not on our watch. Two can play this game. Now.

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Speaker 2: Should we be playing a game when it comes to

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Speaker 1: Buy, and so you don't buy the argument two wrongs

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Speaker 2: Two bongs are about to make your right in two seconds,

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Speaker 2: Imagine that the Attorney General of the United States decides

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Speaker 3: Matter what happens, I can tell you that these maps

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Speaker 2: The question is, will we have these branches of government

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Speaker 3: We're going to have to draw the maps.

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Speaker 2: Because historically, when we've had all three branches working. That's

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Speaker 1: You bring up twenty twenty one in your efforts in

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Speaker 1: I mean, how do you paint? What do you paint

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Speaker 2: No, we absolutely try to ring the alarms, and unfortunately

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Speaker 2: When we went to DC, we asked a democratically controlled house,

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Speaker 2: What we know came out of Louisiana and Alabama for

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Speaker 2: So to see that, we basically were like, hey, we're

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Speaker 3: And so I think if there's ever a need.

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Speaker 2: For a carve out, it is on behalf of making

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Speaker 1: It begs the question of your reaction to what President

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Speaker 2: So the things that they are trying to do is like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: Well, there's so much unpacked there in the word regression.

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Speaker 1: But Congressman, I want to talk about another proof point

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Speaker 2: Yeah, is very dystopian to see. It's funny because I

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Speaker 3: And so, you know, the idea that we.

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Speaker 2: whether we're talking about those in his administration, or whether

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Speaker 2: we're talking about the courts, or if we're talking about

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Speaker 2: the Congress. That is one of the reasons he is

441
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Speaker 2: so desperate to make sure that he can win in

442
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Speaker 2: the midterms is because he knows that Democrats is not

443
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Speaker 2: even about partisanship. It's about doing what's right. It's about

444
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Speaker 2: doing the American thing. And to be clear, you can

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Speaker 2: wave all the flags you want to, but I am

446
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Speaker 2: telling you right now that the most unpatriotic people that

447
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Speaker 2: we have in this country are Maga and this president.

448
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Speaker 2: We are the real patriots, and it is time for

449
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Speaker 2: us to take our flag back and show people what

450
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Speaker 2: America is about.

451
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Speaker 3: You can't say that you.

452
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Speaker 2: Love the Constitution while decimating it with every single stroke

453
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Speaker 2: of a pen. For an executive order while decimating it,

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Speaker 2: while you are disrespecting our troops that have signed up

455
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Speaker 2: to protect our freedoms not just here but abroad, and

456
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Speaker 2: then you're taking people's freedoms away using those exact same troops.

457
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Speaker 3: Like, I just don't understand.

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Speaker 2: You know, It's funny as people have been talking about

459
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Speaker 2: what's happening with Revnical Collier, and I've been watching some

460
00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:20,600
Speaker 2: of the influencers online and people are asking, what is

461
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Speaker 2: the red line for you?

462
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Speaker 3: Like what will be a.

463
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Speaker 2: Bridge too far? Like why is it that people are

464
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Speaker 2: still confused about.

465
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Speaker 3: What is happening?

466
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Speaker 2: And why is it that no Republican will publicly come

467
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Speaker 2: out and just say, you know what, I'm gonna do

468
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Speaker 2: what's right. When it came down to Senator Tom Tillis instead,

469
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Speaker 2: he said, well, listen, I'm gonna just.

470
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Speaker 3: Go ahead and not run for reelection and I'm going

471
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Speaker 3: to vote against your ugly bill.

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Speaker 2: But why is it that those that know that this

473
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Speaker 2: is wrong, Why is it that they won't just say

474
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Speaker 2: that I never swore an oath to any wanna be king.

475
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Speaker 2: I swore my oath to the Constitution, and I'm gonna

476
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Speaker 2: honor that. Why is it that we don't have that

477
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Speaker 2: happening right now amongst the Republicans in the House and

478
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Speaker 2: in the Senate, Color.

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Speaker 1: Soman, do you hear privately things differently? I mean, do

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Speaker 1: you have casual conversations where people have at least there's

481
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Speaker 1: some courage of their convictions and a little bit of

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Speaker 1: character and say, hey, you know, you know, I just

483
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Speaker 1: you know, I gotta do this. You know, he were

484
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Speaker 1: just it's temporary. We just you know, we can't what

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Speaker 1: I mean, what are they saying?

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Speaker 2: Oh?

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Speaker 3: Absolutely.

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Speaker 2: I remember right before he won because one of the

489
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Speaker 2: things he did campaign on was tarriffs.

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Speaker 3: Now, most people didn't understand it. Of course he lied

491
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Speaker 3: about who would.

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Speaker 2: Be paying the taxes, but he did actually campaign on tariffs.

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Speaker 2: And I remember walking into oversight of all places, and

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Speaker 2: I remember a member saying, just so you know, if

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Speaker 2: y'all end up taking the House, because they were nervous

496
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Speaker 2: that they were going to lose the House, if y'all

497
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Speaker 2: end up taking the House, we'll stand with you against

498
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Speaker 2: the tariffs. Like this is what a member said, because

499
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Speaker 2: that member remembers what happened to our soybeing farmers, our

500
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Speaker 2: soybeing farmers who never recovered and ultimately they ended up

501
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Speaker 2: giving them a subsidy for all that they lost. But

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Speaker 2: once you lose your ability to participate in a certain market,

503
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Speaker 2: it is gone, like and we can't continue to just

504
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Speaker 2: subsidize you to say in existence. They actually want to

505
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Speaker 2: be able to sell their products and be able to

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Speaker 2: profit in that way.

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Speaker 3: And so I'm like, this is so interesting.

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Speaker 2: You absolutely were against the tariffs and when given an

509
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Speaker 2: opportunity to do what's right because you know that this

510
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Speaker 2: is going to directly impact it impacts all of us.

511
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Speaker 2: But when you're talking about rural America that is already

512
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Speaker 2: bleeding population so badly, when we know that we're losing

513
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Speaker 2: farms consistently, and these are the people that have directly

514
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Speaker 2: elected you, and then you're not going out front on

515
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Speaker 2: that issue.

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Speaker 3: That's been one of the issues.

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Speaker 2: They for sure were struggling with the big Ugly bill.

518
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Speaker 3: That is why we ended up.

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Speaker 2: You know, they finally decided they wanted to try to

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Speaker 2: pass it in the middle of the night. They were struggling,

521
00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:06,000
Speaker 2: and I was like, listen, you guys have put out

522
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Speaker 2: a memo saying no more town halls, because you know

523
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Speaker 2: that when you walk in your constituents are mad at

524
00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:16,280
Speaker 2: YOUO ours aren't mad at us, like it's bad legislation.

525
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Speaker 2: But they were afraid about being primary. They were afraid

526
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Speaker 2: about money being spent against them. And it is one

527
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Speaker 2: of the worst parts of having such scary mandered districts

528
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Speaker 2: because ultimately they are having to go as far right

529
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Speaker 2: as possible to end up making it out of their primary,

530
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Speaker 2: and ultimately they don't have to worry about the general

531
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Speaker 2: election because it is drawn to be such a far right,

532
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Speaker 2: deep red district. That is yet another bad by product

533
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Speaker 2: of doing jerrymandering.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to get to you in a second because

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Speaker 1: I'm fascinated by your approach to politics and how you

536
00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:06,120
Speaker 1: come on the scene in such sort of vivid ways.

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00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:09,840
Speaker 1: And I say vivid, very complimentary, meaning your person of conviction.

538
00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:14,120
Speaker 1: You share your passion with action, You call people out,

539
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Speaker 1: and I think this conversation only underscores as well your

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00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:20,800
Speaker 1: willingness to call balls and strikes too. Is it relates

541
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Speaker 1: not being about democrat, not being about republic and you

542
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Speaker 1: talk in terms of patriotism. I love Democrats. How the

543
00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:31,160
Speaker 1: hell did we lose this battle on patriotes just because

544
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Speaker 1: you put a flag on your lapel of a sudden,

545
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Speaker 1: you're patriotic, Our party is not. So I want to

546
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Speaker 1: get back to all that in a second, but I

547
00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:39,640
Speaker 1: do want to get just you know, there's three legs

548
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Speaker 1: of the stool as it relates to what's happening in

549
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Speaker 1: the National Guard, what's happening with jerry mandry, what's happening

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Speaker 1: vote by mail. But there's also something that, speaking of vivid,

551
00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:50,680
Speaker 1: came to us in very vivid ways last week where

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00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:53,640
Speaker 1: we were at the Democracy Center in California and we

553
00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:56,680
Speaker 1: launched our campaign to try to neuter what's happening to

554
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Speaker 1: you individually, what's happening to all of your former colleagues collectively,

555
00:30:02,120 --> 00:30:05,200
Speaker 1: and what's happened here a country on jerrymandery in Texas.

556
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Speaker 1: But we are there at the site where people were

557
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Speaker 1: being bussed in the nineteen forties to Japanese internment camps,

558
00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:14,560
Speaker 1: and at that exact side, at the exact moment of

559
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Speaker 1: our press conference, Donald Trump sent what is increasingly being

560
00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:24,520
Speaker 1: referred to as a private army funded unprecedented ways by

561
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Speaker 1: the big beautiful betrayal, big beautiful Bill, big beautiful, ugly Bill,

562
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Speaker 1: whatever it's referred to by those same colleagues. You were

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Speaker 1: referencing that allows him to further resource border Patrol in Ice,

564
00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:38,480
Speaker 1: and they showed up with the Regional director of the

565
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Speaker 1: Border Patrol as their pr flack at the exact same

566
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Speaker 1: site that people were being bussed to interment camps in

567
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Speaker 1: this country. It was to me chilling in this respect

568
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Speaker 1: that for me it was obvious this is also a

569
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Speaker 1: preview of things to come. We said it about the

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Speaker 1: National Guard when they were federalized four thousand or mind

571
00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:05,960
Speaker 1: people listening watching four thousand National Guard were federalized. It

572
00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:08,480
Speaker 1: was the first time the President of the United States,

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump didn't do us in his first term since

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Speaker 1: seven hundred active military marines, not overseas, but to a

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Speaker 1: city in the United States of America. The city. Yes,

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Speaker 1: you're right, and I think it is absolutely jit run

577
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Speaker 1: by an African American woman. You start to find those

578
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Speaker 1: dots and they have a lot in common with what

579
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Speaker 1: you're referring to and what he's doing across this country

580
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Speaker 1: as well. But I see a future where ICE shows

581
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Speaker 1: up to those lines that you were referencing to those

582
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Speaker 1: voting boosts, not just the National Guard being called out

583
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Speaker 1: under a quote unquote declaration of emergency AM I overstating

584
00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:50,360
Speaker 1: that concern or do you see tenants of that? Are

585
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Speaker 1: you concerned about that as well?

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Speaker 2: I think that there are no limits that Ice will

587
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Speaker 2: not go. I do feel like this is definitely his

588
00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:03,760
Speaker 2: personal army. We know that we've seen reports about January

589
00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:07,040
Speaker 2: six ers that have somehow been offered jobs within the

590
00:32:07,040 --> 00:32:10,760
Speaker 2: Department of Justice and within various kind of spaces. I

591
00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:13,320
Speaker 2: think that there may have even been some reports as

592
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Speaker 2: relates to Ice.

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Speaker 3: One of the reasons that.

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Speaker 2: I argue that they are hiding their faces is because

595
00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:24,600
Speaker 2: these are people that should not be law enforcement at all.

596
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Speaker 2: In fact, I recently dropped one of my bills that

597
00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:31,480
Speaker 2: was an amendment as we were going through the process

598
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Speaker 2: of the Big Ugly Bill, where I was trying to

599
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Speaker 2: get an amendment in judiciary as it relates to Homeland

600
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Speaker 2: and what was going on as they were trying to

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Speaker 2: increase the dollars going to Homeland, and obviously ultimately when

602
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Speaker 2: the budget came out or when we got through reconciliation,

603
00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:52,080
Speaker 2: they did increase the amount of moneys going there.

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Speaker 3: But I basically did an amendment that said, hey, if

605
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Speaker 3: you end.

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Speaker 2: Up covering yourself, then no, you don't get the moneies, like,

607
00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:03,400
Speaker 2: you can't be out there, You've got to be clearly identified,

608
00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:06,880
Speaker 2: and frankly, it is for the safety not only of

609
00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:09,880
Speaker 2: the officers but also of the general public, as we've

610
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Speaker 2: seen so many reports of people that are costplaying as

611
00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:17,040
Speaker 2: ICE and they are then kidnapping people, they are then

612
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Speaker 2: vandalizing homes and cars, and so it is emboldening the

613
00:33:22,280 --> 00:33:26,360
Speaker 2: bad actors to continue acting bad. But the question is

614
00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:28,360
Speaker 2: how many of the bad actors are actually on the

615
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Speaker 2: inside right now, And they don't because they're not, in

616
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Speaker 2: my opinion, real law enforcement.

617
00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:36,240
Speaker 3: So many of them, Like we're not talking about the people.

618
00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:38,320
Speaker 2: That have been there for a very long time and

619
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Speaker 2: understand how ICE works, because I'm like, honestly, the stuff

620
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Speaker 2: that y'all are doing is crazy. Anyway, Like people look

621
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Speaker 2: at law enforcement or people with guns and badges and

622
00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:50,040
Speaker 2: they think they're all the same.

623
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Speaker 3: They are not trying the same.

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Speaker 2: Whether we're talking about our marines, whether we're talking about

625
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Speaker 2: our army, whether we're talking about our navy like whoever

626
00:33:57,920 --> 00:34:00,760
Speaker 2: we're talking about right or what that we're talking about,

627
00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:02,520
Speaker 2: like our air force, and whether we're talking about our

628
00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:07,160
Speaker 2: local law enforcement versus ICE. They're not trained the same.

629
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Speaker 2: Local law enforcement is always going to be your investigative group.

630
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Speaker 2: These are the guys that go out and find the criminals.

631
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Speaker 2: And I got news for you. If you're a criminal,

632
00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:20,400
Speaker 2: They don't first determine your status and whether or not

633
00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:24,000
Speaker 2: it's legal, or whether or not there's some issues as

634
00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:27,160
Speaker 2: relates to your documentation, and then decide, well, you know what,

635
00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:28,759
Speaker 2: we only go after the citizens.

636
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Speaker 3: We don't go after the non citizens. ICE does that.

637
00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:32,600
Speaker 3: That is wrong.

638
00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:36,719
Speaker 2: Investigative bodies. They do this work all the time. If

639
00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:38,960
Speaker 2: there is evidence of a murder, if there is evidence

640
00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:42,359
Speaker 2: of a rape, a robbery, a DWI, whatever it is,

641
00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:45,680
Speaker 2: they look at the evidence, they follow the facts, and

642
00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:48,439
Speaker 2: then they get to a perpetrator and it's only once

643
00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:51,719
Speaker 2: that perpetrator is then in custody. ICE for the most part,

644
00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:53,960
Speaker 2: is nothing but a ride. That's all they were supposed

645
00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:55,960
Speaker 2: to do for the most part. Right It's like, you

646
00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:59,680
Speaker 2: know what, this person is undocumented, or this person re

647
00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:03,920
Speaker 2: there's a country illegally, all the things, and then they

648
00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:06,560
Speaker 2: have an ICE hold and then ICE gets them so

649
00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:08,360
Speaker 2: that they've min sent them out. That's all ICE is

650
00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:10,359
Speaker 2: supposed to do. Look at them as a fancy uber

651
00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:11,640
Speaker 2: driver for immigrants.

652
00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:12,799
Speaker 3: That's all they're supposed to do.

653
00:35:13,239 --> 00:35:17,080
Speaker 2: And now they're running into places and doing raids and

654
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Speaker 2: they're falling all over each other injuring each other like

655
00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:23,600
Speaker 2: we are a joke, but it is a bad nightmare

656
00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:26,440
Speaker 2: of a joke. And so I don't think that this

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Speaker 2: president has any limits.

658
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Speaker 3: That he won't go to.

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Speaker 2: So I agree with you ultimately, if there's something that

660
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Speaker 2: he wants to accomplish, he has you know, I don't

661
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Speaker 2: even want to say her name, but he's got our

662
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Speaker 2: leading the Department of Homeland Security. And again, you know,

663
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Speaker 2: this is where our text and balances failed us again

664
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Speaker 2: because these senators allowed for these persons to go through

665
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Speaker 2: the confirmation process and they're not qualified, like there should

666
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Speaker 2: have been more senators.

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Speaker 3: And you know, I will give love to the few.

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Speaker 2: Republican senators they refused to sign off on the confirmation

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Speaker 2: of some of these appointees within this cabinet.

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Speaker 3: But this is yet another reason that we are.

671
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Speaker 2: Being failed right now because we don't have someone that

672
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Speaker 2: is currently over homeland And we'll tell the President this

673
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Speaker 2: is a violation of people's constitutional rights, like the whole

674
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Speaker 2: idea of due process. You don't even know what it means,

675
00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:24,920
Speaker 2: and you are leading like Homeland like this doesn't make sense.

676
00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:29,960
Speaker 2: So we've got a series of failures, and frankly, it

677
00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:32,719
Speaker 2: feels like it was the perfect storm for him to

678
00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:36,759
Speaker 2: come in at this time because people are just too

679
00:36:36,840 --> 00:36:39,759
Speaker 2: afraid of him and they are bending the knees. So

680
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Speaker 2: I absolutely can see a scenario where I does too much.

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Speaker 1: Well, if you were referring to Christinome you may have been,

682
00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:53,080
Speaker 1: I would suggest you should and I hope you were.

683
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Speaker 1: This is the same Christinome governor home that just last September,

684
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Speaker 1: less than a year ago, was on Fox with Hannity,

685
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Speaker 1: outraged by the rumor that then President Joe Biden was

686
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Speaker 1: going to federalize her National Guard, and she was waxing

687
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Speaker 1: on about the Constitution and the tenth Amendment in federalism,

688
00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:17,920
Speaker 1: and Sean Hannity was sitting there shaking his head as

689
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Speaker 1: a puppy dog, saying, boy, Governor, isn't that true? Fast

690
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Speaker 1: forward to today. It is a remarkable moment, but I

691
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Speaker 1: want to just pour a brief moment talk again about

692
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Speaker 1: you talk about one doing your job. I imagine a

693
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Speaker 1: lot of people said, you're new into Congress, your job

694
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Speaker 1: is just to get along, sit back, be quiet, Get

695
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Speaker 1: to know folks, take your time, because time's really the

696
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Speaker 1: currency in DC. Eventually, maybe twenty thirty years from now,

697
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Speaker 1: you'll be chair of a committee. I don't see that

698
00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:53,800
Speaker 1: with you at all. You didn't take any time to

699
00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:56,560
Speaker 1: sort of just come out, just say like it is.

700
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Speaker 1: Call out people is motivation, nature, nurture. Was this mom

701
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Speaker 1: and dad? Was this who you were as a kid?

702
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Speaker 1: Or is this who you know? Life is sort of

703
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Speaker 1: you know, is the world sort of creating your I mean,

704
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Speaker 1: are you sort of meeting this moment because you're so,

705
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Speaker 1: You're just you need to be held to a higher

706
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Speaker 1: level accountability because you need to call out what the

707
00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:21,880
Speaker 1: hell's going on.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, Governor, you've been involved in politics for a

709
00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:29,120
Speaker 2: very long time, and with that you have seen a

710
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Speaker 2: lot of different types of politicians.

711
00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:35,280
Speaker 3: People enter this arena with different goals.

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Speaker 2: And I can tell you that I was not born

713
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Speaker 2: into a family that was super involved in politics. My

714
00:38:42,680 --> 00:38:46,799
Speaker 2: parents voted, for sure, but they never aspired to be politicians.

715
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Speaker 3: They never pushed me to be a politician.

716
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Speaker 2: I never took one policide class when I was in college.

717
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Speaker 3: I was not interested whatsoever.

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Speaker 2: And so I think every once in a while you

719
00:38:58,120 --> 00:39:02,560
Speaker 2: do run across some of them that have literally said,

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Speaker 2: this moment calls for me to step up, and who

721
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Speaker 2: knows what will happen, And ultimately, like that's the story

722
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Speaker 2: of me being involved in politics. Even by the time

723
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Speaker 2: I got to the state House, and I was so

724
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Speaker 2: happy to be there. It was the closest state house race.

725
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Speaker 2: I was the barely state representative in the state of Sexes.

726
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Speaker 2: I always tell people I was a thank you Lottie

727
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Speaker 2: into this state House. I won my election by a

728
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Speaker 2: mere ninety votes. I think that was the ultimate number.

729
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Speaker 2: And so I won by ninety votes, and I was

730
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Speaker 2: an underdog. I was outspent five to one, but I

731
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Speaker 2: was not outworked, and I was able to convince about

732
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Speaker 2: three hundred volunteers to get involved in a state house race,

733
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Speaker 2: which was unprecedented. But people believed in my vision and

734
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Speaker 2: they believed in my grit and grind. And it was

735
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Speaker 2: only after one term in the state House that I

736
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Speaker 2: was called up to the federal level, which I had

737
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Speaker 2: no intention whatsoever of going to.

738
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Speaker 3: That was not my aspiration. Even though so many people use.

739
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Speaker 2: These positions as stepping stones to get somewhere else, that

740
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Speaker 2: they're trying to get to. In fact, I remember people

741
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Speaker 2: telling me like, oh, you can't be a state rep.

742
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Speaker 2: You've got to go be like city council first.

743
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Speaker 3: And I was like why.

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Speaker 2: I was like, I don't want to do city stuff,

745
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Speaker 2: like I want to do the safe stuff, So why

746
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Speaker 2: would I do that? And to me, it does a

747
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Speaker 2: disservice for the people that you're serving if you're literally

748
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Speaker 2: just there trying to get somewhere else. And so when

749
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Speaker 2: I got called by my predecessor, along with a former

750
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Speaker 2: ambassador under Clinton, and so many other people were calling,

751
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Speaker 2: and I tell people all the time that God has

752
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Speaker 2: to yell at me to get.

753
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Speaker 3: Me to move. But they were like, you you should,

754
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Speaker 3: you should go to Congress. And I was like no.

755
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Speaker 2: I was like, I just, you know, barely got out

756
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Speaker 2: of this election. I don't want to sign up for

757
00:40:54,360 --> 00:40:56,680
Speaker 2: another hard one. And I knew it was going to

758
00:40:56,760 --> 00:41:00,319
Speaker 2: be difficult because my predecessor is the only person that

759
00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:02,840
Speaker 2: ever served the district.

760
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Speaker 3: She was actually in.

761
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Speaker 2: The Texas Senate and she was on the Redistrict and

762
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Speaker 2: Committee when the seat was created, and so she then

763
00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:14,800
Speaker 2: ran for the seat and she served for thirty years

764
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Speaker 2: on the federal level, and so there have been people

765
00:41:17,800 --> 00:41:21,359
Speaker 2: waiting for decades to run for this seat, and so

766
00:41:21,600 --> 00:41:25,120
Speaker 2: there ended up being ten of us. But I believed

767
00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:30,200
Speaker 2: that for whatever reason, God was really saying, no, you've got.

768
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Speaker 3: To do it, even though you don't really want to

769
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Speaker 3: do it.

770
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Speaker 2: And never did I imagine a scenario where I would

771
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Speaker 2: be one of four hundred and thirty five and a freshman.

772
00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:41,799
Speaker 3: Where anyone would know my name.

773
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Speaker 2: When you talk to the average person and you ask

774
00:41:45,440 --> 00:41:49,680
Speaker 2: them name, you know, five named ten members of the House.

775
00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:50,880
Speaker 3: They can't do it.

776
00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:54,279
Speaker 2: So why would I think that somehow I would end

777
00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:57,800
Speaker 2: up in this situation? And as I told the story

778
00:41:57,880 --> 00:42:01,560
Speaker 2: at the DNC about my encounter, my first in person

779
00:42:01,880 --> 00:42:06,960
Speaker 2: encounter with the Vice President, I was really struggling with

780
00:42:07,160 --> 00:42:09,560
Speaker 2: whether or not I really had done the right thing.

781
00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:11,719
Speaker 2: I mean, I had gone through a lot, I won,

782
00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:16,239
Speaker 2: I didn't really know that I was really fitting and

783
00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:20,280
Speaker 2: I just didn't know. And I still struggle. I'll be honest,

784
00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:23,520
Speaker 2: I still struggle. I don't struggle like I initially did

785
00:42:23,640 --> 00:42:26,319
Speaker 2: because when I go home, or even when I go

786
00:42:26,400 --> 00:42:30,680
Speaker 2: other places, whether it is kids that have no ability

787
00:42:30,719 --> 00:42:34,840
Speaker 2: whatsoever to vote but love me and are telling me

788
00:42:34,840 --> 00:42:36,480
Speaker 2: that they're watching me, and I'm like, what is wrong

789
00:42:36,520 --> 00:42:39,880
Speaker 2: with your parents? Because I sometimes say things that I shouldn't,

790
00:42:40,719 --> 00:42:44,600
Speaker 2: you know, but like them being inspired or whether it

791
00:42:44,760 --> 00:42:48,760
Speaker 2: is how everything unfolded with the Marjorie Taylor Green scenario

792
00:42:48,920 --> 00:42:53,000
Speaker 2: and having like black women executives that are sitting in

793
00:42:53,040 --> 00:42:56,080
Speaker 2: these rooms and these tables where the micro and sometimes

794
00:42:56,280 --> 00:42:59,840
Speaker 2: macro aggressions are so real with their colleagues, but feeling

795
00:42:59,880 --> 00:43:02,640
Speaker 2: like like, you know, what if the congresswoman could stand

796
00:43:02,640 --> 00:43:05,200
Speaker 2: in her power, I can stand in mind. Now you know,

797
00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:07,799
Speaker 2: the advice is not to call anybody a butch body

798
00:43:07,880 --> 00:43:11,560
Speaker 2: or a big back or nothing, but but nevertheless, like

799
00:43:11,800 --> 00:43:15,239
Speaker 2: letting them know that you won't power because you know

800
00:43:15,480 --> 00:43:16,880
Speaker 2: that you had to work so hard to get in

801
00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:20,440
Speaker 2: those rooms, and so like understanding my impact on the

802
00:43:20,520 --> 00:43:23,400
Speaker 2: outside gives me my fuel to stay on the inside.

803
00:43:23,880 --> 00:43:27,800
Speaker 2: But it's tough because as you know, how these systems work,

804
00:43:28,120 --> 00:43:30,600
Speaker 2: it is a matter of well, you got to be

805
00:43:30,640 --> 00:43:33,439
Speaker 2: here forever, and that's how you'll get something done.

806
00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:36,239
Speaker 3: And I'm like, I'm not here to be here forever, Like.

807
00:43:36,200 --> 00:43:38,239
Speaker 2: I didn't know i'd be here at all, right, So

808
00:43:38,320 --> 00:43:41,239
Speaker 2: I need to make the best of this moment and

809
00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:44,120
Speaker 2: I think that it does a disservice to my constituents

810
00:43:44,239 --> 00:43:48,680
Speaker 2: to say, well, unfortunately, since I just got here, nothing's.

811
00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:52,120
Speaker 3: Going to happen. Like that's not full representation whatsoever.

812
00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:56,080
Speaker 2: So you know, I think if enough people push a

813
00:43:56,120 --> 00:43:59,400
Speaker 2: push against the system, then you can start to reshape

814
00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:00,239
Speaker 2: the system.

815
00:44:00,560 --> 00:44:02,239
Speaker 3: But we still got a lot of pushing to do.

816
00:44:04,200 --> 00:44:08,880
Speaker 1: We love your clarity, your conviction, love your authenticity, and

817
00:44:09,360 --> 00:44:12,080
Speaker 1: Republicans have been watching and that's why they have your

818
00:44:12,160 --> 00:44:15,720
Speaker 1: I mean, let's and we'll end on this. They're trying

819
00:44:15,719 --> 00:44:19,719
Speaker 1: to end your political career in Texas. One of the

820
00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:24,760
Speaker 1: five maps that they've put forward excludes your current district.

821
00:44:24,840 --> 00:44:27,359
Speaker 1: Right you would no longer be quote unquote living in

822
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Speaker 1: the district that they're redrying.

823
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Speaker 2: So what they did is they drew me out of

824
00:44:32,080 --> 00:44:35,040
Speaker 2: my districts. But since it's federal, I can run anywhere

825
00:44:35,040 --> 00:44:37,360
Speaker 2: in the state, So so long as there is a seat,

826
00:44:38,600 --> 00:44:40,719
Speaker 2: I could most likely run anywhere in the state. But

827
00:44:40,800 --> 00:44:44,920
Speaker 2: right now, the seat that they drew me into is

828
00:44:45,040 --> 00:44:49,080
Speaker 2: also a Democratic seat, and then my old seat is

829
00:44:49,080 --> 00:44:52,399
Speaker 2: still a Democratic seat. So I feel confident that if

830
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Speaker 2: I decide that I'm going back to the House, that

831
00:44:54,960 --> 00:44:57,680
Speaker 2: I'll be able to go back to the House. The

832
00:44:57,719 --> 00:45:01,880
Speaker 2: thing is, we have three Democrats that that served the

833
00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:05,120
Speaker 2: Dallas area, the Dallas Fort Worth area, and now there's

834
00:45:05,160 --> 00:45:08,520
Speaker 2: only two seats for Democrats to really kind of be

835
00:45:08,600 --> 00:45:11,399
Speaker 2: able to run in. And so I've got to have

836
00:45:11,560 --> 00:45:14,160
Speaker 2: a conversation with my colleagues to figure.

837
00:45:13,920 --> 00:45:16,160
Speaker 3: Out, you know, what are we doing and where.

838
00:45:17,840 --> 00:45:20,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I'm probably in to be honest, I'm probably

839
00:45:20,760 --> 00:45:25,280
Speaker 2: in the best situation of the three of us because

840
00:45:25,880 --> 00:45:29,200
Speaker 2: both seats are easy enough for me to win, and

841
00:45:29,239 --> 00:45:30,960
Speaker 2: at least I live in one and I used to

842
00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:33,640
Speaker 2: represent the other. The other two colleagues that I have

843
00:45:33,840 --> 00:45:37,080
Speaker 2: are both in Republican drawing seats now, so they would

844
00:45:37,160 --> 00:45:41,520
Speaker 2: have to run from outside of their districts or move

845
00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:45,800
Speaker 2: to make people feel comfortable with like them representing their.

846
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Speaker 1: Areas and tell the truth, you know, I'd be remiss

847
00:45:50,880 --> 00:45:54,799
Speaker 1: a lot of rumors about the United States Senate, And

848
00:45:54,840 --> 00:45:58,239
Speaker 1: I mean just you've had to have some conversations about it.

849
00:45:58,200 --> 00:45:59,400
Speaker 3: Right, I have.

850
00:45:59,800 --> 00:46:02,280
Speaker 2: And I will tell you that there are always people

851
00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:04,960
Speaker 2: that are, you know, yelling and screaming for me to

852
00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:08,399
Speaker 2: go higher. I will tell you, ever since I got

853
00:46:08,440 --> 00:46:10,360
Speaker 2: to the House, they were yelling in screaming for me

854
00:46:10,400 --> 00:46:14,040
Speaker 2: to go higher. And I can tell you that even

855
00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:16,520
Speaker 2: when I was a freshman, they did not want me

856
00:46:16,600 --> 00:46:19,720
Speaker 2: to seek re election but instead go after Ted Cruz.

857
00:46:19,920 --> 00:46:22,279
Speaker 3: And I was like, I just got here. I'm not

858
00:46:22,320 --> 00:46:22,799
Speaker 3: going to do that.

859
00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:27,359
Speaker 2: And so obviously Colin Alred went after Ted Cruz, and

860
00:46:27,520 --> 00:46:32,440
Speaker 2: Colin Alred is now going again after most likely Paxson

861
00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:34,560
Speaker 2: and Paxton.

862
00:46:34,680 --> 00:46:37,879
Speaker 3: Makes the seat vulnerable, but it would have to be.

863
00:46:38,160 --> 00:46:40,040
Speaker 2: I will tell you that if I were to run

864
00:46:40,080 --> 00:46:44,080
Speaker 2: for Senate, it would be because I am convinced of

865
00:46:44,280 --> 00:46:49,080
Speaker 2: the data that my team, not external data, but the

866
00:46:49,160 --> 00:46:52,440
Speaker 2: data that my team is able to pull together.

867
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Speaker 3: That shows that I can do it.

868
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Speaker 2: And I think that anyone who believes that they can

869
00:46:58,719 --> 00:47:02,719
Speaker 2: win the Texas seat without expanding the electorate, they already

870
00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:06,400
Speaker 2: have lost because when we look at the electorate, it

871
00:47:06,480 --> 00:47:09,080
Speaker 2: always goes one way, and so you have to have

872
00:47:09,160 --> 00:47:12,200
Speaker 2: the ability to expand. And I also agree with Beto

873
00:47:12,280 --> 00:47:16,919
Speaker 2: O'Rourke who believes that we need an actual ticket we

874
00:47:17,040 --> 00:47:19,520
Speaker 2: typically run and whoever's at the top of the ticket

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Speaker 2: is like it instead of really having like a very

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Speaker 2: strong ticket where different people can bring together different constituencies.

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Speaker 2: So there would be a lot that would go into it.

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Speaker 2: It is not impossible to do in Texas. It is

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Speaker 2: definitely a difficult hill to climb. But I just don't

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Speaker 2: really know where we're going in this country when you know,

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Speaker 2: we've got a thirty four account convicted felon in the

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Speaker 2: White House, and we've got, you know, a guy who

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Speaker 2: was impeached by his own party that is leading the way,

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Speaker 2: who was under felony indictment for almost.

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Speaker 3: A decade, and who had.

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Speaker 2: Been under federal investigation forever, and he's their leading candidate

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Speaker 2: to be the next senator from the state of Texas.

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Speaker 2: It just seems like there is no low that some

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Speaker 2: of these people just won't go just to say that

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Speaker 2: they have a Republican versus looking at people's policies and

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Speaker 2: figuring out who will do best by me, regardless of

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Speaker 2: the label that is on them. And I want people

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Speaker 2: going forward. One of the things that I said during

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Speaker 2: the last campaign is I want people to be selfish.

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Speaker 2: I want you to be selfish and decide that you're

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Speaker 2: going to look at what somebody is going to do

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Speaker 2: for you, and if they don't have an answer about.

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Speaker 3: Why you don't have healthcare and rule America.

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Speaker 2: They may not be your candidate if they don't have

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Speaker 2: an answer about where you are going to get new

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Speaker 2: markets as they are cutting out government funding for things

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Speaker 2: such as US AID. With these contracts where we were

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Speaker 2: getting farmers to actually farm and then sell the items

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Speaker 2: and then send them over where we know that our

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Speaker 2: free school lunches are about to be decimated as well,

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Speaker 2: and so many farmers had contracts with so many schools

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Speaker 2: or I mean, the list goes on and on and on,

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Speaker 2: and so it is time for people to be selfish

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Speaker 2: and decide that they first of all understand what government is.

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Speaker 3: Supposed to do.

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Speaker 2: Which government isn't supposed to take you to church. If

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Speaker 2: you need to go to church, go find your pastor.

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Speaker 2: And I'm down for it because I love my pastor.

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Speaker 2: I ride with my pastor when my pastor shows up

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Speaker 2: for me. I am not saying there's anything wrong with it.

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Speaker 2: But if you are seeking a good church and a

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Speaker 2: good spiritual leader, go to church. If you are seeking

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Speaker 2: this thing that we refer to as separation of government

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Speaker 2: and church, or church and state, then you probably need

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Speaker 2: to go find you an actual statesman who absolutely understands

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Speaker 2: what it is to take care of us in this

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Speaker 2: country and make sure that we've got a stronger economy

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Speaker 2: and that we are investing in our future so that

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Speaker 2: we can remain that becon of hope for the entire world.

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Speaker 1: I love it well, it's faith and works, as they say,

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Speaker 1: as you pray, move your feet. And we've been watching

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Speaker 1: you and it's remarkable to see your success. And I

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Speaker 1: think everybody listening knows why you are quote unquote one

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Speaker 1: of the rising stars as most observers have acknowledged in

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Speaker 1: the Democratic Party, and why Donald Trump himself dogress woman, yes,

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Speaker 1: get over it, called you the future of the Democratic Party.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for joining us today.