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Speaker 1: hosts Mickey Spagnola, Brian brought us, Taylor Stern and Rob Phillips. Hello, everyone,
Speaker 1: and welcome into another edition of Talking Cowboys, of course,
Speaker 1: joined today by my lovely co host, and we will
Speaker 1: be talking obviously about Ezekiel Elliott, of course, and what
Speaker 1: you need to know from all of that because it
Speaker 1: is very confusing. We'll also be getting into a little
Speaker 1: bit of Coach Garrett's response expected people to play this
Speaker 1: weekend as what we saw out at practice, just a
Speaker 1: little portion we saw and then getting into of course
Speaker 1: Cowboys offense for Giants defense. Now with the puzzle piece
Speaker 1: of ezek Elliott back in place. So, how's everyone doing today?
Speaker 1: Doing well? Ready to roll, let's go, ready to roll,
Speaker 1: break getting a season, let's get some energy in here,
Speaker 1: ready to break down an a potent energy. How's everybody doing? Like? WHOA,
Speaker 1: We're doing good? Good, real good? All right? Coach? Is
Speaker 1: that what you said today? When Coach Garrett went up
Speaker 1: to the podium, I said, really well, really well, well,
Speaker 1: of course, the NFL arbitrator Harold Henderson has upheld the
Speaker 1: six game suspension for Zekil Elliott. There was a lot of,
Speaker 1: you know, speculation about when that decision was going to
Speaker 1: come down did last night and what they also did,
Speaker 1: which a lot of people weren't too surprised about, especially
Speaker 1: I know Dave Hellman had mentioned this was possibility you
Speaker 1: did as well, Brian. They did allow him to be
Speaker 1: eligible to play this week, and it's because of the
Speaker 1: time when Henderson's decision came down during a game week.
Speaker 1: I think that's fair saying the competitive advantage that he
Speaker 1: will have now. And now the hearing for his injunction
Speaker 1: was yesterday, but the ruling isn't expected until at least
Speaker 1: five pm by Friday. I know, Rob you've mentioned could
Speaker 1: be a little bit earlier than that. But if he
Speaker 1: is granted this injunction, his six game suspension could be
Speaker 1: held off or what we would kind of see it
Speaker 1: would be going out through the season. So, Brian, you know,
Speaker 1: I asked you a little bit before the show of
Speaker 1: something that you would like to discuss, and you said
Speaker 1: the question that I'd like you to ask now to
Speaker 1: our panel. Yeah, the question, what question did I want
Speaker 1: to ask? So slyly thanks now or yeah, no, yeah, absolutely, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's the two questions. I think which way we're going
Speaker 1: to go there? Yeah, I was going to ask though,
Speaker 1: you just go ahead and pay now, I mean with
Speaker 1: the with the h and accept it, accept it, or
Speaker 1: do you wait till next season and have to go
Speaker 1: through all this potentially again? Well I'm not accepting it. Here.
Speaker 1: Here's my question. Are you thinking about that question from
Speaker 1: the team's perspective or from Zeke's perspective. I'm thinking of
Speaker 1: the question from the team's perspective. What I'm really worried
Speaker 1: about as this thing. If he continues to fight it,
Speaker 1: then it becomes a Mickey hates this word, but it
Speaker 1: becomes a distraction later in the season. If you have
Speaker 1: to take time away from practices and stuff like that
Speaker 1: preparation for a game, then maybe have to go appear
Speaker 1: in courts for hearings and things like that. You and
Speaker 1: I disagree on this because I think this has to
Speaker 1: be Zeke's decision. This has to be This is about
Speaker 1: his reputation, sure life, and he owes money. Yeah, his
Speaker 1: potential seemed to be taking a hard line on this.
Speaker 1: All of a sudden, Spagnol excuse me just a second.
Speaker 1: He's being a little snippy right now. I would go
Speaker 1: to the map. You didn't seem like that before, Oh,
Speaker 1: yes I did. I said it was what was option
Speaker 1: for yesterday. It was that it was the scenario four
Speaker 1: was that it wouldn't be to be upheld, would be
Speaker 1: upheld and you would go to court, right, and that's
Speaker 1: what would have the opportunity to play throughout the season. Well,
Speaker 1: it didn't bother Tom Brady and he's the quarterback. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but Tom Brady ended up it cost him for games
Speaker 1: the following year, so it was gonna cost him for
Speaker 1: you sound very selfish later. That's what I'm asking though.
Speaker 1: Do you go ahead and you go ahead and get
Speaker 1: it out of the way now so you don't have
Speaker 1: to carry that into I don't. I don't think it's
Speaker 1: selfish to want to protect your name. I don't think
Speaker 1: that's selfish in any way. The team has to support
Speaker 1: you on that if you truly claim that you're innocent
Speaker 1: in this. Is he gonna win this case, well that
Speaker 1: remains to be seen. He'll he'll win the injunction, but
Speaker 1: he ultimately will not win the case. And then this
Speaker 1: time next year, maybe somebody else will be sitting in
Speaker 1: my chair. But but they but maybe you're gonna have
Speaker 1: to do favorable judge, favorable judge in what way like
Speaker 1: in Texas. Yeah, he's gonna get a favorable judge. Judge
Speaker 1: is gonna grant him this injunction. Get well? And then
Speaker 1: after that, where's the lawsuit gonna be held? Is it
Speaker 1: gonna be held in New York? It right down the
Speaker 1: street from the NFL offices. Sure, guys go to lunch
Speaker 1: with the judge. Sure? Or is it gonna be held here? See?
Speaker 1: I think to me, to me, it's you talked about
Speaker 1: clearing your name. I get that, I understand that. I'm
Speaker 1: also thinking about the team here though, too. I'm thinking
Speaker 1: about the team having to deal with this going forward,
Speaker 1: deal with it. But also if there's an injunction, it's
Speaker 1: the Brady thing, and I hate to compare the two.
Speaker 1: We're gonna be the same thing is going to be
Speaker 1: talked about this year? Well, I know, and it's yeah,
Speaker 1: there's gonna be a lot of stuff draft. It's gonna
Speaker 1: affect multiple different things. Now, Elliot's because you'll get that
Speaker 1: taken care of in the offer. But it's the way
Speaker 1: the Brady. Think it's a window. If there is an injunction,
Speaker 1: there is a window now for him to help this
Speaker 1: team go win a Super Bowl this year. Like you
Speaker 1: take your shot, like Tom Brady from a team perspect Yeah,
Speaker 1: that worked out for them. Now it was the quarterback. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so if there was going to be a distraction, the
Speaker 1: quarterback would be the most distracted. You're saying there's not
Speaker 1: going to be a distraction by this whole thing if
Speaker 1: he if he in fact, it's sixteen games where he
Speaker 1: can play all sixteen, Yeah, because nothing's nothing probably will
Speaker 1: happen during the season. You don't think, you know, when
Speaker 1: I a little bit hot cloud over, I think he's
Speaker 1: oblivious to everything, everything that might pitch just be in life. Yes,
Speaker 1: I mean I don't think. I'm not sure what say
Speaker 1: at all. I don't. Yeah, it's hard to sure what bothers.
Speaker 1: It's hard to say this doesn't affect him. We're not
Speaker 1: in his head. Well, and this is a pretty serious matter.
Speaker 1: But if you watch the way he practices, the way
Speaker 1: he went through training camp, you didn't see any difference
Speaker 1: in him. I did. I did, for sure. I noticed
Speaker 1: that his energy was a lot lower, that he was
Speaker 1: not as engaging me down hands. Obviously he was being
Speaker 1: taken off the field immediately last training camp, it seemed
Speaker 1: like he was out there. It was so exciting. Obviously,
Speaker 1: ez A gilliott I saw him engaging with the fans
Speaker 1: after practice on the field, when everybody would run on
Speaker 1: the field, all the people that got passes, he sat
Speaker 1: there and took pictures with it. I agree with. Right
Speaker 1: after the suspension came down, he seemed less like animated
Speaker 1: on the field. Now, maybe eventually you kind of get
Speaker 1: back in, you get around your teammates and your rally.
Speaker 1: But did he practice everybody's human He did practice? How
Speaker 1: often practiced well, Mickey, he practiced well, well, we didn't
Speaker 1: have that opportunity, But just in passing how often? How
Speaker 1: often did you talk to him? A few times? Yeah,
Speaker 1: and he was definitely a lot lower energy. Maybe he
Speaker 1: didn't want to talk to you, that's rude. Well, no,
Speaker 1: I'm saying he didn't. He didn't talk to anybody, But
Speaker 1: he engaged with the people after practice. He took pictures,
Speaker 1: he signed autographs, He practiced, Well, does he do the
Speaker 1: locker room shenanigans that he used to do? Does he
Speaker 1: come out there and we haven't been in the locker
Speaker 1: room well that much, have we? Well, we were seen
Speaker 1: him at training camp with the players. There's no locker
Speaker 1: room practice, there's no locker room in training camp for
Speaker 1: us to see anything. I just think that's really unfair
Speaker 1: to say that he's not phazed by anything, because I've
Speaker 1: heard him talk about personal issues before that are not
Speaker 1: needed to be shared here, and he is effective. It's
Speaker 1: affecting his family because you see what is his parents
Speaker 1: tweeting out and making comments. I mean, it's a drain
Speaker 1: on everybody that's close to him. So I don't know
Speaker 1: how you could say it's not affecting him. And the
Speaker 1: fact that he wants to fight this to me says Okay,
Speaker 1: this is affecting my life. When I say that, I
Speaker 1: don't think it's affecting his ability to play football. Well
Speaker 1: maybe not. We'll see, right, we'll find out, yeah Sunday,
Speaker 1: all right. Well. His representatives also released a statement on
Speaker 1: the decision and said we are extremely disappointed with mister
Speaker 1: Henderson's inability to navigate through league politics and follow the evidence.
Speaker 1: And most importantly, this is what it got a lot
Speaker 1: of people talking his conscious. Mister Elliott is looking forward
Speaker 1: to having his day in federal court where the playing
Speaker 1: field will be level and the NFL will have to
Speaker 1: answer to its unfair and unjust practices. I don't think
Speaker 1: any of this is surprising because now we talked about
Speaker 1: the appeal. We talked about the basis for the appeal
Speaker 1: is to do exactly what Henderson did. Did the league
Speaker 1: follow their rules in the policy, did they follow the
Speaker 1: process you're supposed to go through to hear the appeal?
Speaker 1: And and that's all he was judging his His His
Speaker 1: charge was not to judge guilty or not guilty. His
Speaker 1: charge was not to judge the evidence. His charge was
Speaker 1: to see if the process went the way it was
Speaker 1: supposed to do, and it did. So now you go
Speaker 1: to a higher judge and say, okay, can you judge guilt?
Speaker 1: And what we weren't allowed to do to prove this.
Speaker 1: But it'll still come back to the bottom line of
Speaker 1: the NFL. PA gave the NFL the right to pick
Speaker 1: the commissioner to be judge and jury Article forty six,
Speaker 1: where this is collective, this argain to lose. So if
Speaker 1: if if a judge that hears this doesn't look at
Speaker 1: it that way, he's gonna look at it black and white.
Speaker 1: Then yeah, they ain't got a chance. Yeah. See that's
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Do you do? You go ahead, and
Speaker 1: you're right though, he's gonna try and clear his name
Speaker 1: and should. But if you think about it from a
Speaker 1: team aspect, that's why I asked better to pay now
Speaker 1: or pay later? Well, it worked out for the Patriots,
Speaker 1: didn't It is this team, the Patriots. Though I didn't
Speaker 1: say I didn't, you just did. I didn't say from
Speaker 1: it just did not from an athletic ability, It didn't
Speaker 1: it worked out from the Patriots season, did it? I
Speaker 1: think there was a lot of distractions with which quarterbacks
Speaker 1: were going to be playing. Sure it did. What teams
Speaker 1: you know they were going to be facing those first four?
Speaker 1: And then what did they do? They have a great
Speaker 1: coach and a great well, you don't know. You don't know.
Speaker 1: They have a running back. You always don't know. I'm
Speaker 1: just saying you don't know. I'm just curious why your
Speaker 1: answer is always that what your answers always we don't
Speaker 1: know what the Cowboys are capable of doing, but capable
Speaker 1: of doing well? There do you think they're capable of
Speaker 1: winning a lot of games without him, I would not
Speaker 1: rather I think it'll be harder. Yeah, me too, But
Speaker 1: that's I think, why do you want to play? I
Speaker 1: would fight if if it was Dak Prescott, I would
Speaker 1: really fight it because I know my quarterback. And you're
Speaker 1: absolutely right the reason the Patriots win is because of
Speaker 1: a quarterback. But at the same time, you said you're
Speaker 1: worried about distractions over a year longer. Yeah I am,
Speaker 1: I am, but because I feel like though that the guy,
Speaker 1: he can't help you win games. I agree with that,
Speaker 1: But if he's playing, he can't see the thing about
Speaker 1: it is, though to me, I would try and put
Speaker 1: this into review mirror as quickly as I Well, and
Speaker 1: that's fair, and I understand what you're saying. You don't
Speaker 1: want distractions around your team. But when you've got the
Speaker 1: owner of the team, they're backing him and saying, look,
Speaker 1: we don't see evidence here. He's got an opportunity. Oh.
Speaker 1: I was with the owner all the way. Okay, that's
Speaker 1: an Oxnard when we all had when this first hit,
Speaker 1: I think Mickey and myself were like, well, wait a minute,
Speaker 1: the owner is saying this, right, you know the owners
Speaker 1: saying that you know he he believes this is this
Speaker 1: is not this is unfounded. Bran, would you say that
Speaker 1: this is more of a distraction to the organization rather
Speaker 1: than the team? Maybe is that more fair to say?
Speaker 1: And I say, I think that with the experience of
Speaker 1: Greg Hardy, it's about the team. It's about the team.
Speaker 1: They shouldn't care about the organization, care about the team.
Speaker 1: That's That's what I'm saying to me. If if it
Speaker 1: if it turns into okay, that's what I'm saying, pay now,
Speaker 1: just go ahead and do whatever it is. Pay now,
Speaker 1: get this behind you, and then find a way to
Speaker 1: win football games. Now. It's gonna be difficult, like Mickey said,
Speaker 1: but pay But you know, I don't want to go
Speaker 1: through another summer of this hanging on this team's head.
Speaker 1: That's I understand your point there. But if you want
Speaker 1: to be selfish and say, okay, let's let's play him
Speaker 1: now and try and see what happens, well, Mickey said
Speaker 1: that it's going to be just handled in the off season.
Speaker 1: It'll it'll play out in the off season. Brady's played
Speaker 1: out in the off season exactly. But but to me, okay,
Speaker 1: what if he carries it on further? But if there's
Speaker 1: only so far you can go because there's only one
Speaker 1: more shot here. If if he gets a restraining order,
Speaker 1: then they've got to hear the lawsuits and he's got
Speaker 1: to prove. He's got to prove right. That's it. So
Speaker 1: to me, I don't want I don't want to sacrifice.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to say, do this now in order to
Speaker 1: not have to do things in the future. That's what
Speaker 1: that's all I'm saying. Yesterday you brought up a couple
Speaker 1: of former well Kobe, Yeah, guys that have had stuff
Speaker 1: attached to them allegedly, and maybe as their career went
Speaker 1: on it kind of faded away. But I still think
Speaker 1: to some degree that's still probably follows him a little bit,
Speaker 1: you know. And Mickey mentioned money, I mean from in
Speaker 1: terms of endorsement opportunities and stuff. You have this attached
Speaker 1: to you, allegedly, it's gonna hurt you most likely. I
Speaker 1: think he does. He has to think about himself to
Speaker 1: some degree because it's his life, not just his career.
Speaker 1: And I think that did he make it about himself
Speaker 1: when he put himself in the situations? I mean, well,
Speaker 1: he hadn't even had a practice here, Hattie, did any
Speaker 1: of you read Coach garrett statements when he did the
Speaker 1: mmb QB article this past summer at training camp. I
Speaker 1: didn't read, yeah, a little bit what he discussed about
Speaker 1: endorsements and how these types of incidents do affect players
Speaker 1: and that he wished they knew that more. If a
Speaker 1: brand is coming to Steph Curry verse, you know what's
Speaker 1: a bad guy's name. I'm trying to think, you know,
Speaker 1: a guy that's off the field, off the off the field,
Speaker 1: off the court issues, They're probably gonna go with Steph Curry.
Speaker 1: And Coach Garret was pretty blank in saying that there's
Speaker 1: less risk, and I think that's why. I think that's
Speaker 1: why the league. I think her point is, though to me,
Speaker 1: if I'm saying, you can speak for it, because I
Speaker 1: think you get what I'm saying. I think the league is.
Speaker 1: I think the league is fighting this because of sponsors.
Speaker 1: That's why I think the league is fighting so hard. Absolutely,
Speaker 1: And I think what she's trying to say is, and
Speaker 1: pardon me if I'm wrong here, but the sponsors will
Speaker 1: side with people who they feel like represent their brands,
Speaker 1: even though deep down there might be something else wrong
Speaker 1: that we don't know about. Yet keep that under route.
Speaker 1: Yeah exactly. But I think the league is fighting this
Speaker 1: with every bit of their will because of sponsors. Okay,
Speaker 1: so it's the money. It's totally the money here. When
Speaker 1: any of us were twenty years old, were any of
Speaker 1: us thinking about our brand? It wasn't the same age.
Speaker 1: It was not the same age. It might have been
Speaker 1: for me, but it wasn't for you because there wasn't
Speaker 1: social media. There was eight but said that they should
Speaker 1: think about that. We were thinking about what you think about?
Speaker 1: What I'm saying, well, well, when you're twenty years old,
Speaker 1: you don't think what were you thinking about when you
Speaker 1: became a newspaperman? Your image, my next story? Yeah, but
Speaker 1: your image. I didn't even know if I had an image. No,
Speaker 1: but that breast guys is only a year younger than
Speaker 1: this guy, and he has openly stated that he thinks
Speaker 1: about his image. He is a private person who cares
Speaker 1: about what is reception is. He's twenty four years old.
Speaker 1: He turned that on. Okay, so some guys are a
Speaker 1: lot more mature at twenty years old than other guys. Well,
Speaker 1: some what clubs are white. What I'm saying is that
Speaker 1: you're not really making the fair point of saying that
Speaker 1: Zeke just doesn't care about his image because he does.
Speaker 1: Because Brian's right, he didn't care about his image. He
Speaker 1: did things when he was twenty years old that he
Speaker 1: wasn't thinking about his image. But you're always thinking about
Speaker 1: your image, No, you're not. To him, it carries a
Speaker 1: lot of his money. He didn't. He didn't realize that
Speaker 1: when he was nineteen and twenty years old. He did
Speaker 1: when he was posing for Nike and doing different brand
Speaker 1: ambassador stuff last summer after he got drafted. He did
Speaker 1: this stuff when he was in college. Did he do
Speaker 1: the other stuff that was mentioned when he was in college? Yes?
Speaker 1: What what do you mean the whole of Saint Patrick's
Speaker 1: day was when he was in college. Please Saint Patrick's
Speaker 1: day well tots his image point. I mean, this is
Speaker 1: what's discussed in that Rookie symposium every year. You have
Speaker 1: to be cognizant of who you are, your a public figure,
Speaker 1: and so there is some responsibility. There was some of
Speaker 1: this stuff away. He comes down to some of these accusations.
Speaker 1: He's saying, look, it's false, and I believe he has
Speaker 1: a right to pursue that. Did you look at the
Speaker 1: NFL releases. After this, the official roster cut came out.
Speaker 1: There were thirty four suspensions to start the season. Thirty four.
Speaker 1: That's a lot, right, a ton, So it's not just him,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of other guys out there. Well, ban
Speaker 1: focus on him. Let's you're acting like, okay, he should
Speaker 1: have known that, well, thirty four other guys should have no, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: let's focus on Let's focus on him though. And my
Speaker 1: question the initial question, so how boys, So yeah, you
Speaker 1: don't and and we'll put this to bed hopefully, so
Speaker 1: you don't feel like you feel like he should fight
Speaker 1: this the whole way and you know whether whether whether
Speaker 1: and and worry about two thousand and eighteen with two
Speaker 1: thousand absolutely okay, all right, I don't I don't agree
Speaker 1: with that, but that's that's fine. That's but that's okay
Speaker 1: that my question got answered. Hey, I think that's fair.
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Speaker 1: we're going to get into this game week because that's
Speaker 1: what we're focusing on. Is Zekie Elliott well play? So
Speaker 1: how does that affect the Cowboys offense first Giants defense
Speaker 1: greatly in my opinion, wouldn't you say, Bran, Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 1: You know when you look at when you look at
Speaker 1: the Giants and still only a very few changes that
Speaker 1: they've made to their defense from what we've seen last
Speaker 1: year with them. I think drafting Dalvin Dalvin Tomlinson from
Speaker 1: Alabama is going to help them even more inside and
Speaker 1: that's something that the front seven. And I asked Jason
Speaker 1: Garrett this question today and you know, to me on tape,
Speaker 1: this is a really good tackling defense. I think that
Speaker 1: was the biggest issue that the Cowboys had to deal
Speaker 1: with with the Giants last year. Yes, the front seven, Yes,
Speaker 1: the secondary doesn't allow much room when you're trying to
Speaker 1: throw the football, but man, what a good tackling defense.
Speaker 1: And you know when you when you hit them on
Speaker 1: a play, they don't give them you know many you
Speaker 1: run a play against, and they don't give up many
Speaker 1: long runs. They don't give it any ten yard runs.
Speaker 1: They're one of the best teams in the league dealing
Speaker 1: with that. So one of your strengths is your ability
Speaker 1: to run the football. The Giants can counter you with
Speaker 1: the way they play with their front seven, then walking
Speaker 1: that safety down in the box, landing Collins makes a
Speaker 1: big difference as well. I think this could be the
Speaker 1: best front seven, best defense they face until maybe Seattle
Speaker 1: later in the year. This is a really good I
Speaker 1: mean they know it too, because when you look at
Speaker 1: what happened last year, it's the front four. As you mentioned,
Speaker 1: you got Jpp who's healthier, probably in better frame of
Speaker 1: mind this year than he was last year. Olivia Vernon
Speaker 1: was a great challenge for Tyrn Smith last year. It's
Speaker 1: a tough challenge for this group. And when you look
Speaker 1: at the two games they lost, it wasn't just the
Speaker 1: front seven, it was the corners covering and there weren't
Speaker 1: a lot of open receivers, right Dak Press got the
Speaker 1: throw too in those two games, especially the one up
Speaker 1: in New York. So it's a challenge for the Cowboys,
Speaker 1: no question. And on the unofficial depth chart released by
Speaker 1: the Dallas Cowboys, of course it has Chad's Greens starting
Speaker 1: at left guard. We know that, Jason Garrett said today
Speaker 1: in his press conference. You know he'll be splitting reps
Speaker 1: with Jonathan Cooper first team reps. How does that affect
Speaker 1: this line going into this weekend with that uncertainty still present.
Speaker 1: Brian hit on it. I mean, there is a continuity
Speaker 1: issue there that they're used to not having. I think
Speaker 1: they know, they just haven't said yeah, yeah, but they
Speaker 1: want to make sure Chad's Green's healthy, that he can
Speaker 1: get through a practice point at ankle. If he can
Speaker 1: do that, he's starting, that's that's fine. But they haven't
Speaker 1: had that same group working together the entire there's been
Speaker 1: that shuffling, you know. Yeah, but two years ago last
Speaker 1: year Ran Larry started middle of the season right right,
Speaker 1: so there was no continuity there. Yeah, but Learry had
Speaker 1: played with that group before. Yeah, Collins had replaced him,
Speaker 1: so that that was I feel like though there's a
Speaker 1: lot of it's more uncertainty, you know, and then and
Speaker 1: you know, and you if you if you've got Frederick
Speaker 1: and Smith in a room and probably said, hey, confidence level,
Speaker 1: you know, in front of us, they're gonna tell us
Speaker 1: absolutely confident, no problem, confident that these guys could play.
Speaker 1: Deep down inside, I'm sure there's some concern with there.
Speaker 1: I'm served there's some concern when they you know, with
Speaker 1: these especially with the inside players that the Giants have,
Speaker 1: especially with the active linebackers, you had better be on
Speaker 1: the screws when you're doing this stuff. When you're playing
Speaker 1: this front, because you're gonna have to pass guys. You're
Speaker 1: gonna have to find a way to get blitzing linebackers.
Speaker 1: It's an attacking front. You better be sure that every
Speaker 1: move you make is the right move. And so I
Speaker 1: think that's where you know, like Mickey says, you know,
Speaker 1: I think they should me personally, I think they should
Speaker 1: start Jonathan Cooper. I just feel like that he's a
Speaker 1: at guard. He's a better fit at guard right now
Speaker 1: than what Chaz Green is. Nothing gains Chads Green because
Speaker 1: I think Chad's Green's the fifth best offensive lineman, but
Speaker 1: I don't know if he's if he's the best guard
Speaker 1: of the two. We'll see how that all plays out.
Speaker 1: The other spot, Tae. The matchup I'm looking forward to
Speaker 1: seeing is Lyle Collinsolutely. We're just going to get into that.
Speaker 1: Everyone is excited to finally see Lyle Collins in a
Speaker 1: regular season game playing the right tackle position. You've mentioned
Speaker 1: it before that he's come in and you know he
Speaker 1: was the starter his rookie year, but now at right tackle,
Speaker 1: especially going to against their defensive ends at JP. You
Speaker 1: talk about bend and edge rush. I mean, that's that's
Speaker 1: a guy with speed and quickness. And Lyle's biggest strength
Speaker 1: is power. You know, It's it's about on the edge,
Speaker 1: it's about footwork and being able to use that technique.
Speaker 1: And so you talk about week one, I know, but
Speaker 1: one of my favorite matchups to watch in the preseason
Speaker 1: was definitely Lyle Collins and Khalil Mack. Yeah, talk about
Speaker 1: some practice there. Khalil Mack one of the best in
Speaker 1: the National Football League and he did a terrific job.
Speaker 1: And that's penalties aside. Are we worried that Doug Free
Speaker 1: is not here anymore? I would say I would still
Speaker 1: I want to I'm interested to see because Doug Free
Speaker 1: knew how to play against Jason Pierre Paul because Dug
Speaker 1: Free had seen him when he was a left tackle,
Speaker 1: when JPP was a right defensive end. Now he's a
Speaker 1: left defensive end because of Olivier Vernon. But you get
Speaker 1: the same bit of pass rush and the problems that
Speaker 1: we've documented throughout training camp, and we saw it in
Speaker 1: the Oakland game a little bit with the hands of
Speaker 1: the face. The missing of the hands JPP will not
Speaker 1: give him any hitting surface. JPP knows how to get small,
Speaker 1: he knows how to turn himself, he knows how to rush.
Speaker 1: If Lyle Collins has problems in this game, it will
Speaker 1: be because j JPP will able to get on him.
Speaker 1: And if he's missing with his hands, that's going to
Speaker 1: be a huge issue right there. So keep an eye
Speaker 1: on that how that goes. Because Jason Pierre Paul, even
Speaker 1: though he's a right defensive end, he plays with a
Speaker 1: left defensive end. Or excuse me, even though he's a
Speaker 1: left defensive end, he plays the right defensive end mentality.
Speaker 1: I know a lot of people will be looking at
Speaker 1: the Giants wide receivers this week, especially with Odell Beckham
Speaker 1: Junior's status still uncertain. Of course, that will probably be
Speaker 1: until Friday when the official game statuses are reported. But
Speaker 1: the Cowboys receivers in this game I think will play
Speaker 1: a large role. Cole Beasley in his first game against
Speaker 1: the Giants the season opener and last season had two
Speaker 1: big drops, one being an almost touchdown. This year, I think,
Speaker 1: you know they've been open about his comfort with DAK.
Speaker 1: I really am looking at Cole Beasley versus DRMC this game. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's that's exactly ahead. Rob No, I think so too.
Speaker 1: And to me, he Cole has become the safety blanket
Speaker 1: for Dak what we've seen, because it's DAK friendly. It's
Speaker 1: a guy that works in space, which really well works
Speaker 1: the middle of the field, and given the pressure that
Speaker 1: you might see from the Giants in this game, that
Speaker 1: to me is is a nice option for Dak work
Speaker 1: in the middle of the field. Actually, if Genorris Jenkins
Speaker 1: is just covering days all day. Yeah. I went back
Speaker 1: and watched the game last year that was played in
Speaker 1: December at the Meadowlands there, and the one thing Cole
Speaker 1: Beasley was the one receiver that was able to get open,
Speaker 1: able to find space. And Roger Rogers KRIMARTI though, is
Speaker 1: he's long, he's agile, and it's surprisingly he handles quickness
Speaker 1: very very well. But Beasley found ways to get open
Speaker 1: and Prescott just couldn't get him the ball early enough.
Speaker 1: There were a couple of times though, where they had
Speaker 1: to make some loose plays. They flipped him the ball
Speaker 1: and then he was able to run for some you know,
Speaker 1: for some yardage, get a first down. Those kinds of things.
Speaker 1: I think you need to get Cole Beasley more involved
Speaker 1: in this football game, especially if the if the Giants
Speaker 1: the way that they play, I mean, Apple and you
Speaker 1: talk about Jenkins are two guys that can cover on
Speaker 1: the outside. They can blank it. They can blank it
Speaker 1: receivers Elie Apple though kind of still dealing with the
Speaker 1: ankle sprain. Yeah, still dealing with some issues there. But
Speaker 1: I you know, when you talk about Opening Day to everybody, everybody,
Speaker 1: everybody finds a way to get their best game going forward.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I feel like though, where they're gonna have
Speaker 1: to win is they're gonna have to win with Beasley
Speaker 1: against Rogers KRIMARTI I think that's where they're gonna have
Speaker 1: to win because Collins can take Jason Witten out of
Speaker 1: this game if he if he wants to landon Collins.
Speaker 1: Can I believe he can cover Witten and take him
Speaker 1: out of this game. We'll see, But I think that
Speaker 1: the game plan is though, cover on the outside, and
Speaker 1: like they did last year they won Opening Day, keep
Speaker 1: feeding the ball to Witton and Beasley and all that.
Speaker 1: What happens you really don't score any points. And that
Speaker 1: affected the way they played a lot of people want
Speaker 1: to point out how Ezek Elliott showed up in the
Speaker 1: first game of the season last year against the Giants,
Speaker 1: but Mickey pointed out the other day about his yardage
Speaker 1: in the December game. Mickey, do you think he'll continue
Speaker 1: where he left off? Yeah, absolutely, unless their depth chart
Speaker 1: allows him to play twelve guys on the field. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they should get flagged for too many guys on the
Speaker 1: depth chart. Got twelve starters down, well they Heather Nickel, Yeah,
Speaker 1: everybody put they didn't they didn't list it. They listened
Speaker 1: that way. Yeah. To me though, that this is where
Speaker 1: the Cowboys had some success. Going back and watching that game,
Speaker 1: running the ball, it's gonna be hats on hats. It
Speaker 1: sounds really simplistic as way it is, but if you
Speaker 1: get hats on hats, you know that that's what they
Speaker 1: had a lot of times where we talked about with
Speaker 1: Pierre Paul. We talked about Olivier Vernon. These guys. If
Speaker 1: you do not finish blocks with these guys, they will tackle.
Speaker 1: They will tackle you for a three yard game. They
Speaker 1: will not allow you to get a six seven yard game.
Speaker 1: So you have to find a way to get hat
Speaker 1: on hat and then allow Ezekiel Elliott like he did
Speaker 1: in this game, to be able to pick, choose, slide
Speaker 1: and then get up the field the way he was.
Speaker 1: They just weren't able to sustain that enough in that
Speaker 1: football game. They had problems with the linebackers, they had
Speaker 1: problems with the front seven, with the defensive line as well,
Speaker 1: blocking those guys. It's so big to have Zeke in
Speaker 1: this game because, as you said, it's a grinded out game,
Speaker 1: and he's the kind of guy that can get you
Speaker 1: three yards where it should be one yard and be
Speaker 1: able to help you in those short down and distant
Speaker 1: situations like it's I can't talk about it. I can't
Speaker 1: emphasize how critical it is that he's playing in this game, well,
Speaker 1: for this matchup to Rob's point, though, you know, if
Speaker 1: you remember, Garrett went forward and I've totally forgot about this,
Speaker 1: like on his own forty yard line, thirty eight yard line,
Speaker 1: he went forward on fourth and one, and the reason
Speaker 1: he went for it is because of Ezekiel Elliott. But
Speaker 1: then you know they miss a block. I mean, Travis
Speaker 1: Frederick misses his block and Ezekiel manages to beat to
Speaker 1: beat the tackler and then get the first down. Anybody
Speaker 1: else sets a minus two probably minus three, and now
Speaker 1: the balls going the other way. So yeah, you need
Speaker 1: him in this football game, grinding it out, getting the
Speaker 1: tough yards, busting or run or two in order to
Speaker 1: kind of keep the chains. Movie. The Giants played really
Speaker 1: really well in these and the two games. I thought
Speaker 1: on first down, that's where Dallas makes their living, getting
Speaker 1: first down, staying ahead of the chains, and then the
Speaker 1: second down, then they're able to convert, make it manageable
Speaker 1: down a distance. The Giants do a great job of
Speaker 1: keeping you out of those those those first down situations
Speaker 1: of getting yards. All right, we have a caller on
Speaker 1: the line. What is your question? Do we still have
Speaker 1: them Kent? Hello? We don't Hello, Kent, you still with us?
Speaker 1: Maybe we do not have a caller here? Do we
Speaker 1: have Kent with us? Yeah? Maybe got tired of our
Speaker 1: talk the opening segment. Hey, I get it. I thought
Speaker 1: I saw him walk by, but oh, maybe he's not there.
Speaker 1: He just put it on automatic pile, automatic pilot. There
Speaker 1: you go. Hey, Mickey said he could do this him
Speaker 1: do it well? Absolutely absolutely, well, I guess you know.
Speaker 1: We can get into the fact that it is going
Speaker 1: to be the first day of reports out there. Rob,
Speaker 1: you were out at practice, did you see anything that
Speaker 1: stood out to you that should be noted in the
Speaker 1: short fifteen minutes you're there. Yeah, I didn't see anybody missing,
Speaker 1: did you, Mick? I mean all hands on deck. I
Speaker 1: saw nine was not out there right well fifty nine Yeah,
Speaker 1: and he's gonna miss some time. But the guys that
Speaker 1: are iffy saw right. Pretty much everybody in pads while
Speaker 1: we were out there. Like you said, it was pretty
Speaker 1: pretty close or short time period out there. It sounded
Speaker 1: like Cheeto was going to do something. Sound like Jordan
Speaker 1: Lewis would do something today. We'll see how much he
Speaker 1: won't do as much as a woozy though, I bet no,
Speaker 1: But I mean it's encouraging that he's at least in pads.
Speaker 1: Tyron Crawford was in pads. He said he's feeling good,
Speaker 1: expects to do something today. So Woods was out there,
Speaker 1: Durant was out there, Tyrn Smith was out there, all
Speaker 1: the guys. Zeke was out there. Guys that have had
Speaker 1: some things that they've had to manage Mayoa, Paia, we're
Speaker 1: out there. So that's a good sign. Defensively as well.
Speaker 1: Only guy wasn't doing anything was Kadeem Edwards on the
Speaker 1: practice squad. Yeah, he was on the court. Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: and that's you know, that's hard when you get a
Speaker 1: practice squad tackle that's over there on the courts. I
Speaker 1: mean that just shows you what they think about the guy.
Speaker 1: Because you do need all those guys to practice. I
Speaker 1: mean you really really do. That's one of the reason
Speaker 1: why they're on the practice squads because other guys don't
Speaker 1: have to take reps, especially a full padded practice. Another
Speaker 1: guy that's been questionable, and he's a rookie that people
Speaker 1: are excited to see in regular season action, Ryan Switzer.
Speaker 1: You know we probably will not I'm not assuming we'll
Speaker 1: be seeing him in the punt returns immediately. Will probably
Speaker 1: be cool like it was last year. Do you guys agree,
Speaker 1: if he's active, I think you have to put him
Speaker 1: out there immediately. Yeah. Absolutely. If he's you know, he's
Speaker 1: shown it up at practice. Mickey and I did the
Speaker 1: practice the other day up in the TV area and
Speaker 1: we were watching him catch punts and run routes and
Speaker 1: stuff like that. To me, he looks like he's ready
Speaker 1: to play football now, you know, they I think they
Speaker 1: need eat him. I don't nothing against Cole Beasley or
Speaker 1: Lucky Why Hit or any of those guys that were
Speaker 1: returning punts. You need to make that punt return unit
Speaker 1: a weapon. You need to find. You need to find
Speaker 1: a way not to average seven yards or return. You
Speaker 1: need to average somewhere between ten eleven twelve yards a return.
Speaker 1: Find a way to move the ball up the field,
Speaker 1: make it a little bit, you know, if you're gonna
Speaker 1: get some three and out stops, and the Cowboys had
Speaker 1: done a pretty good job of that with defense, if
Speaker 1: they start to get on a little bit of a
Speaker 1: role and then that's what the Giants did last year.
Speaker 1: I believe it's eight of the fifteen drives that they
Speaker 1: had in the game, they were eight or three and out.
Speaker 1: They're one of the worst teams in the league when
Speaker 1: it comes to three and out. If you get three
Speaker 1: and out stops, punish them for the three and out stop.
Speaker 1: Change the field, flip it. Beasley's a guy that you know,
Speaker 1: can catch, secure all that, But I think when you
Speaker 1: talk about Switzer, he's the guy that could catch it
Speaker 1: and make something happen. The Giants signed away a guy
Speaker 1: that did that for Dallas a couple years ago. Dwayne
Speaker 1: Dwayne Harris did that for this team, and yet to
Speaker 1: Brian's point, that's why he's drafted, that's why he's here
Speaker 1: in the fourth round. Yeah, is to help flip flip
Speaker 1: field position for sure. Lucky Whitehead they always used him
Speaker 1: in the jet sweeps and that was pretty popular package,
Speaker 1: especially against the Giants. Will Switzer fill that role as well. Oh,
Speaker 1: I think you're gonna see a lot of people getting
Speaker 1: that jet sweep. That's good. But what we saw so far,
Speaker 1: I mean Dez has done it, Williams has done it.
Speaker 1: I'm sure Beasley Switzer. Yeah, yeah, I don't think they
Speaker 1: just did it because yeah, of Lucky Whitehead. To me,
Speaker 1: excuse me, to me, it's gonna be more about screens.
Speaker 1: I think they're gonna find ways to get these guys
Speaker 1: the ball in their hands on quick play. You know,
Speaker 1: a guy like Williams, loud, guy like Dez, Butler guys
Speaker 1: to be out in front block you know, the jet
Speaker 1: sweep to get the ball in the corner. But if
Speaker 1: you could get the ball to the outside and allow
Speaker 1: those guys to attack on the perimeter with blockers in front,
Speaker 1: I see that as being more of an option than
Speaker 1: I just noticed that more. Nick Mickey's right though we've
Speaker 1: seen it occasionally in the in the scrimmage and we'll
Speaker 1: not scrimmage the practices, and then also in some of
Speaker 1: the preseason stuff. But I think that the screen package
Speaker 1: is going to be more of something that they're going
Speaker 1: to try and hang their hat on then say run
Speaker 1: the jet sweeps. Well, I'll tell you what though, on
Speaker 1: those punt returns, if those guys on the hold up
Speaker 1: guys on the outside don't they don't block job, Yeah,
Speaker 1: then it don't matter if I'm back there return in punts. Well,
Speaker 1: you want somebody that has the ability to make the
Speaker 1: first guy miss, right, I understand that, and then those
Speaker 1: guys got to do it. And they haven't had two
Speaker 1: guys out there to have done a good job for
Speaker 1: three or four years. Well it's it's the starting cornerbacks
Speaker 1: that are usually those guys. So if they're taking a
Speaker 1: playoff to rest and all that, then shame on them.
Speaker 1: And that's on Rich Beisacci to get guys out there.
Speaker 1: Then in fact, you we'll be willing to block on
Speaker 1: the edge. You got to do a better job and
Speaker 1: give the punt returners an offer fair shot. Yeah, Rob,
Speaker 1: I'm seeing some Twitter questions. I know you spoke with
Speaker 1: Zach Martin yesterday. People are asking will his contract extension
Speaker 1: be done this week? But I think you have the
Speaker 1: answer for them. Yeah. He confirmed the news that they're
Speaker 1: gonna table the talks until after the season, and I
Speaker 1: guess that was an unofficial dead line that they were
Speaker 1: kind of working with. I think he wanted the opportunity
Speaker 1: to if it's not done, I'm gonna focus on football.
Speaker 1: He does have two years left on his contract. I
Speaker 1: think maybe there's some confusion there. I mean, they picked
Speaker 1: up the fifth year, which gives them another full offseason
Speaker 1: to get something done, and he said there's no change
Speaker 1: in my feelings about one to be here long term.
Speaker 1: So I don't think there's any concern here. I think
Speaker 1: it's maybe a little disappointing. I think he said that,
Speaker 1: you know, they've been able to get Tyrann Smith done,
Speaker 1: Travis Frederick Dunne in preseason in the past. But I
Speaker 1: don't think there's any question he's gonna be a cowboy
Speaker 1: for a lot of years to come. Sack Martin should
Speaker 1: be very happy about what's happened, right now, to be
Speaker 1: honest with you, leverage, he's gonna get more money. That's
Speaker 1: what's gonna That's what it's gonna happen. He's gonna get
Speaker 1: he's gonna play once again. He'll be all pro, all
Speaker 1: everything again. And the Cowboys have made it and you
Speaker 1: know what will happen. Jerry Jones Stephen Jones will say,
Speaker 1: you know what, young man, you're worth every penny we're
Speaker 1: gonna pay you. So yeah, I feel like that that
Speaker 1: you'll see a situation snack going anywhere. He'll be here.
Speaker 1: He'll get done. Yeah, you know, and even they can say, oh,
Speaker 1: we're not talking during the season, but the agent can talk. Sure.
Speaker 1: I just think he's gonna make it. Just don't mess
Speaker 1: with I do too. That's a good point to put
Speaker 1: in there for him. Yeah. If if they're gonna wait
Speaker 1: all the years, it's pay now, pay later. That's how
Speaker 1: I opened this show. Pay now. Would you rather get
Speaker 1: paid now or paid later? Well? I fear injury. But
Speaker 1: you know, knock on wood, he's one of those guys
Speaker 1: that tend other than you know that scare that we
Speaker 1: had in the preseason, the preseason practice where you know,
Speaker 1: kind of nicked his neck up there a little bit
Speaker 1: hurt his neck and the ramed scrimmage. You know, I
Speaker 1: I just kind of think that's the only thing that
Speaker 1: would bother me. How much you think it's worth to
Speaker 1: have I don't know, ten million dollars in the bank
Speaker 1: a year ahead of time. Yeah, he'll get twelve, Okay, twelve,
Speaker 1: then yeah he'll get im. He'll get He'll get twelve
Speaker 1: that hasn't missed a game. And you know, now, that's
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. So sometimes you give up a little
Speaker 1: money to get it sooner. He also had also one
Speaker 1: of the few draft picks, and it seems to be
Speaker 1: a bad trend in the National Football League that these
Speaker 1: guys that get picked in the first round they don't
Speaker 1: pick up their option. Yeah, so it's going to make
Speaker 1: a good chunk of change off that option. By the way,
Speaker 1: when they pick that up, that's like an insurance policy.
Speaker 1: That is a huge insurance policy. Zach Martin will be
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Speaker 1: We are back here for the last segment of Talking Cowboys.
Speaker 1: We have to end a little early today for a
Speaker 1: very special meeting here, but Rob, before we do that,
Speaker 1: we can get to your poll. Yes, I thought this
Speaker 1: might be a good one since we are a couple
Speaker 1: of days away from the season opener, talking about breakout
Speaker 1: players based on what we saw in training camp in preseason.
Speaker 1: Which of these four do you think could break out
Speaker 1: for the Cowboys in twenty seventeen. I've got four for you,
Speaker 1: Bryce Butler, Lyle Collins, MALIEK. Collins, or Jalen Smith. Anybody
Speaker 1: got to vote. I voted. I voted for Malie Collins.
Speaker 1: I like the safest one right there. Yeah, yeah, definitely
Speaker 1: worthy one. Brian Well, I'll tell you what. I thought
Speaker 1: Malie Collins was going to be a Pro Bowl player,
Speaker 1: and I still kind of think that. But when you
Speaker 1: talk about breakout guy, I'll go with Bryce Butler and
Speaker 1: I'll tell you why. I think that Bryce Butler has
Speaker 1: done a better job of finishing and think of it's
Speaker 1: been finishing. He didn't finish that. He had a chance
Speaker 1: to get a touchdown that Giants game last year and
Speaker 1: didn't finish, right. But I feel like the guy it
Speaker 1: started in OTA's it's it's carried into training camp. I
Speaker 1: think there's a comfort level with him. I think he's
Speaker 1: comfortable with his situation now and he's playing for something.
Speaker 1: He's on a one year deal. I think he feels like,
Speaker 1: you know, if not, here's somebody somewhere else. And so
Speaker 1: we've seen, you know, we've seen guys like Laurent Robinson
Speaker 1: go on and get money, you know, play well and
Speaker 1: get money and all that, and you know, and let's
Speaker 1: say that Terrence Williams even got paid a little bit
Speaker 1: by this team. So I feel like though that if
Speaker 1: you talk about breakout guy, for the opportunities that he gets,
Speaker 1: he's going to be the guy that at the end
Speaker 1: of the day, we're going to go. That's him. That's him.
Speaker 1: I had a very interesting conversation with Bryce Butler that
Speaker 1: kind of alludes to what you're talking about some of
Speaker 1: the drops and finishing. When he was at the Raiders,
Speaker 1: he said, you know, it was okay when you dropped
Speaker 1: a few because it was such a short memory that
Speaker 1: you had to have there, because of such a passing
Speaker 1: offense that you knew you were going to be able
Speaker 1: to redeem yourself quickly, right, And you know, that was
Speaker 1: kind of his mindset there, like, Okay, let that one go.
Speaker 1: You're gonna get another one. Derek Carr is gonna feed
Speaker 1: you the ball here, and especially behind the receivers that
Speaker 1: he is, he's not getting as many passes as he
Speaker 1: once was. He said, he's had to adjust his mentality
Speaker 1: going into games four of those drops and how to
Speaker 1: adjust to that and let it go in a sense
Speaker 1: like that might be my only opportunity in one game.
Speaker 1: Well to your point, Tay, which is well made, even
Speaker 1: Dez Bryant. Des brian Is admitted he will never be
Speaker 1: Julio Jones because Julio Jones the way and you know,
Speaker 1: the Falcons do it have good balance, but the way
Speaker 1: that Julio Jones gets targets. Des Bryant's like, we're a
Speaker 1: run first team, and he goes, I mean, I'm okay
Speaker 1: with that as long as we're winning football games. So
Speaker 1: who'd I miss? Well, two weeks ago, it'd have been
Speaker 1: Anthony Hitchins. Yes, I guess that doesn't qualify, you know,
Speaker 1: what should? I mean? My Anthony Hitchins was a good
Speaker 1: was a good time. First inclination is MALIEK. Collins right right?
Speaker 1: I thought he broke out last year. Yeah, that's that's
Speaker 1: kind of where I was going with that. That's kind
Speaker 1: of hard to I mean, he had five sacks as
Speaker 1: a rookie that played fourteen games. So I think in
Speaker 1: Pro Bowl this year, that's a breakout. It's a breakout. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's a breakout right there. I don't think. I'm not
Speaker 1: sure Bryce Butler will get enough opportunities to break out,
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna go with Malie conn Well. The fan
Speaker 1: base agrees MALIEK. Collins fifty five percent of the vote.
Speaker 1: Jalen Smith got twenty six percent of the vote, followed
Speaker 1: by the other two. I'm gonna write about Malik later
Speaker 1: in the week on Dallas Cowboys dot Com. He's what's
Speaker 1: impressive to me about him is he he talks about
Speaker 1: understanding the standard of playing three technique for Rod Marinelli
Speaker 1: and the guys that have played for Rod before the
Speaker 1: Warren SAPs and those guys, and trying to live up
Speaker 1: to that. He watches Marinelli will show him clips of
Speaker 1: those guys and how those guys played the position, and
Speaker 1: you know that's impressive to me. Well, you know, he's
Speaker 1: trying to live up to that. Yeah, And I think
Speaker 1: he's fitting right into the Marinelli mold of just kind
Speaker 1: of staying under the radar. Yes, fans know about his
Speaker 1: five sacks, and hopefully they're well educated that he will
Speaker 1: be back and strong this year. Of course, he had
Speaker 1: some different little knicks in training camp, But I think
Speaker 1: marion Elli is very happy with the kind of guy
Speaker 1: he is as far as the way he carries himself,
Speaker 1: not flashy, like what you said. I'm just gonna do
Speaker 1: my job here. Well, hopefully Tay and guys hopefully he
Speaker 1: gets help from Stephen Paia and then also with Brian Price.
Speaker 1: You know, hopefully Brian Price is one of those guys
Speaker 1: that comes through and as they use him in the rotation,
Speaker 1: whoever plays that under tackle or excuse that nose tackle
Speaker 1: or the one technique as a big effect on how
Speaker 1: you play. And I felt like that if you look
Speaker 1: last year at Terrell McClain, he was able to help
Speaker 1: Collins in his ability to make some good to make
Speaker 1: some good plays, some good rushes. So how that got
Speaker 1: next to him plays I think will dictate a lot
Speaker 1: how he's able to be productive this year. And I
Speaker 1: have another write in Canada, sure to Marcus Lawrence. Marcus Lawrence,
Speaker 1: that's a good one. Even though you don't think he
Speaker 1: had a breakout rookie season, Well he didn't have a
Speaker 1: sack last year. Well he did lead the team in
Speaker 1: sacks a couple of years ago. Yeah, but but now
Speaker 1: he's coming off a couple back injuries. Yeah, yeah, Yeah,
Speaker 1: everybody's forgotten about him. He's kind of the forgotten guy.
Speaker 1: What they need is a breakout from one of those
Speaker 1: defensive ends, uh Taco Benson, DeMarcus Lawrence, demontre or David
Speaker 1: Irving when they get back. Yeah, those guys need to
Speaker 1: break out. That's what they need. Yeah, Ben, you're make
Speaker 1: a good point. Benson Mayhan needs to play, Benson Maywan December,
Speaker 1: those that the four games you know, to play. He
Speaker 1: needs stats. The guy that needs to be a sack
Speaker 1: of game guy if he can, you know, and hopefully
Speaker 1: him sitting down those when Marinelli and the coaches to
Speaker 1: have to say, well, we're gonna play somebody else over you,
Speaker 1: Hopefully that will that'll be a reminder that, you know what,
Speaker 1: they they're not afraid to put me down for a
Speaker 1: little bit if it means getting you know, get me
Speaker 1: going again. He may be the sack leader, but they'll
Speaker 1: they won't hesitate to rotate Taco in there. No, not
Speaker 1: at all, not at all, And everyone will be watching
Speaker 1: Taco and we will be back here tomorrow and the
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