1 00:00:04,240 --> 00:00:07,240 Speaker 1: Welcome to tex Stuff, a production of I Heart Radios 2 00:00:07,320 --> 00:00:13,880 Speaker 1: How Stuff Works. Hey there, and welcome to tex Stuff. 3 00:00:13,920 --> 00:00:17,200 Speaker 1: I'm your host, Jonathan Strickland. I'm an executive producer with 4 00:00:17,239 --> 00:00:19,840 Speaker 1: How Stuff Works and I heart Radio and I love 5 00:00:19,960 --> 00:00:24,200 Speaker 1: all things tech. It's time for another qualifier on that. 6 00:00:24,560 --> 00:00:29,560 Speaker 1: This is a classic episode that originally aired on July nine, 7 00:00:29,560 --> 00:00:33,680 Speaker 1: two twelve, and it is titled tex Stuff Arms Itself 8 00:00:34,000 --> 00:00:37,159 Speaker 1: with non Lethal Weapons. Chris and I sit down to 9 00:00:37,200 --> 00:00:41,880 Speaker 1: talk about the whole idea behind non lethal weapons, including 10 00:00:41,880 --> 00:00:47,080 Speaker 1: the somewhat flexible definition of what non lethal is. I 11 00:00:47,120 --> 00:00:49,720 Speaker 1: hope you guys enjoy and so we wanted to talk 12 00:00:49,760 --> 00:00:54,560 Speaker 1: today about weapons that are designed to stop a target 13 00:00:55,160 --> 00:00:59,840 Speaker 1: without killing that target, or at least that that's supposed 14 00:01:00,040 --> 00:01:03,400 Speaker 1: to be what they do. Well, yeah, some some of 15 00:01:03,440 --> 00:01:07,280 Speaker 1: the research I did also turned up other versions of 16 00:01:07,400 --> 00:01:13,200 Speaker 1: the uh phrase non lethal weapons, including less than lethal weapons, 17 00:01:13,200 --> 00:01:16,480 Speaker 1: which sounds to me like it is a a verbal 18 00:01:17,040 --> 00:01:22,400 Speaker 1: uh disclaimer, he's only mostly dead. Well, it's not supposed 19 00:01:22,440 --> 00:01:24,720 Speaker 1: to kill you. We actually had somebody, uh we've had 20 00:01:24,760 --> 00:01:27,360 Speaker 1: some people right in to ask us about a particular 21 00:01:28,319 --> 00:01:31,280 Speaker 1: one of the ones we're gonna talk about today, But um, 22 00:01:31,280 --> 00:01:33,720 Speaker 1: really there there's a whole series of different kinds of 23 00:01:33,760 --> 00:01:37,360 Speaker 1: things that the military and police departments around the world 24 00:01:37,760 --> 00:01:46,160 Speaker 1: are investigating to basically stop people without hurting them completely. Yeah. Yeah, 25 00:01:46,240 --> 00:01:48,400 Speaker 1: so and this is this is tough. I mean, how 26 00:01:48,440 --> 00:01:52,000 Speaker 1: do you how do you convince someone to stop acting 27 00:01:52,040 --> 00:01:57,680 Speaker 1: irrationally or dangerously without really hurting that person in turn? 28 00:01:58,000 --> 00:02:00,000 Speaker 1: And it's tricky, but there are a lot of different 29 00:02:00,080 --> 00:02:02,280 Speaker 1: approaches that we've tried to take. Yeah, and I was 30 00:02:02,360 --> 00:02:04,800 Speaker 1: I'm sorry. I was about to say though that there 31 00:02:04,800 --> 00:02:06,200 Speaker 1: are a lot of reasons why you would want to 32 00:02:06,200 --> 00:02:08,920 Speaker 1: do this other than you know, simply not wanting to 33 00:02:08,919 --> 00:02:13,040 Speaker 1: to kill someone. Um, you know, for for strategic reasons. 34 00:02:13,120 --> 00:02:16,760 Speaker 1: If you have, say, uh um and this scenario I've 35 00:02:16,800 --> 00:02:20,680 Speaker 1: seen written about a lot, uh, say an uprising where 36 00:02:20,680 --> 00:02:25,239 Speaker 1: you have say, hundreds of people uh protesting and maybe 37 00:02:25,240 --> 00:02:28,440 Speaker 1: the protest is getting out of hand. Well, the the 38 00:02:28,440 --> 00:02:32,560 Speaker 1: authorities who come to subdue the protesters or dispersed the protesters, Uh, 39 00:02:32,600 --> 00:02:36,120 Speaker 1: if they kill people, they are likely to escalate uh 40 00:02:36,200 --> 00:02:39,519 Speaker 1: these kinds of of riots or or disquiet. And uh, 41 00:02:39,560 --> 00:02:42,200 Speaker 1: you know it's uh, it's happened, you know, we can 42 00:02:42,240 --> 00:02:44,920 Speaker 1: I can remember stories going back centuries of something like 43 00:02:44,960 --> 00:02:48,120 Speaker 1: this happening. So if there's a way to to uh 44 00:02:48,160 --> 00:02:51,359 Speaker 1: get people to leave without really hurting anybody, that that's 45 00:02:51,400 --> 00:02:54,840 Speaker 1: an advantage for for everyone. Really. I mean, the protesters 46 00:02:54,919 --> 00:02:58,400 Speaker 1: don't get hurt as badly or or you know, even 47 00:02:58,440 --> 00:03:01,440 Speaker 1: if it just makes them feel uncomfortable and they leave 48 00:03:01,520 --> 00:03:03,280 Speaker 1: as a result of that, I mean, it seems like 49 00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:07,519 Speaker 1: it's a positive for everyone. Yeah. And and we've tried 50 00:03:07,520 --> 00:03:09,640 Speaker 1: a lot of different approaches with a lot of different 51 00:03:10,480 --> 00:03:13,680 Speaker 1: methodologies and a lot of different results, right, not all 52 00:03:13,720 --> 00:03:16,240 Speaker 1: of them have been successful. Here's one of the ones 53 00:03:16,280 --> 00:03:18,200 Speaker 1: I wanted to talk about first. That's just kind of 54 00:03:18,280 --> 00:03:21,760 Speaker 1: interesting to me. This is using sound as a weapon 55 00:03:22,160 --> 00:03:25,280 Speaker 1: due to now there are two different ways that sound 56 00:03:25,400 --> 00:03:27,240 Speaker 1: tends to be used as a weapon. One of them 57 00:03:27,400 --> 00:03:31,640 Speaker 1: is in something called a long range acoustic device or 58 00:03:31,880 --> 00:03:38,080 Speaker 1: l l r a D. These are focused beams of sound. 59 00:03:38,200 --> 00:03:40,920 Speaker 1: You just you crank up the decibel level to like 60 00:03:41,000 --> 00:03:43,760 Speaker 1: a hundred fifty deciples, which is about fifty deciples over 61 00:03:43,800 --> 00:03:47,200 Speaker 1: the pain threshold, and you direct it at the target. 62 00:03:47,280 --> 00:03:50,680 Speaker 1: And that means the target suddenly has this incredibly loud noise, 63 00:03:51,520 --> 00:03:55,440 Speaker 1: uh directed at them, and it's a painful experience to 64 00:03:55,480 --> 00:03:58,119 Speaker 1: hear it. In fact, you can suffer hearing loss if 65 00:03:58,280 --> 00:04:01,880 Speaker 1: you are subjected to that for two long uh. Some 66 00:04:02,000 --> 00:04:04,440 Speaker 1: of these devices have actually been used for communication purposes. 67 00:04:04,480 --> 00:04:08,160 Speaker 1: I read one report that said that there were navy 68 00:04:08,200 --> 00:04:11,400 Speaker 1: ships that used a form of l R A D 69 00:04:11,520 --> 00:04:16,160 Speaker 1: to send out signals to um two boats as they 70 00:04:16,200 --> 00:04:19,640 Speaker 1: pulled into a harbor. So let's say that a giant 71 00:04:19,760 --> 00:04:24,000 Speaker 1: navy vessel is sailing into a harbor that's got a 72 00:04:24,080 --> 00:04:30,440 Speaker 1: busy fishing uh industry, and not all the fishermen are 73 00:04:30,560 --> 00:04:33,440 Speaker 1: necessarily paying attention to the fact that there's an enormous 74 00:04:33,839 --> 00:04:35,440 Speaker 1: ship coming in and they need to get out of 75 00:04:35,440 --> 00:04:38,200 Speaker 1: the way. I read a report that said that there 76 00:04:38,279 --> 00:04:39,640 Speaker 1: was a way where you could use this as a 77 00:04:39,680 --> 00:04:42,800 Speaker 1: communications tool where you're not trying to overpower someone, You're 78 00:04:42,839 --> 00:04:45,080 Speaker 1: not trying to cripple them. You're just trying to get 79 00:04:45,120 --> 00:04:48,400 Speaker 1: their attention and say, hey, buddy, we're coming through. You 80 00:04:48,480 --> 00:04:50,960 Speaker 1: might want to move, and except you're saying it in 81 00:04:51,080 --> 00:04:54,799 Speaker 1: whatever the local languages, and that it totally freaks people 82 00:04:54,800 --> 00:04:58,880 Speaker 1: out because suddenly they can hear this voice coming from 83 00:04:59,360 --> 00:05:03,120 Speaker 1: really far away, as if it's on a radio or something. 84 00:05:03,120 --> 00:05:05,120 Speaker 1: But there's no radio. I mean, it's just using a 85 00:05:05,160 --> 00:05:08,400 Speaker 1: focused beam of sound to direct that sound at the 86 00:05:08,480 --> 00:05:12,680 Speaker 1: individual and then that gets a little you know, it's 87 00:05:12,720 --> 00:05:16,560 Speaker 1: a little unreal surreal, if you will. I would love 88 00:05:16,600 --> 00:05:19,839 Speaker 1: to have one of these just to mess with people like, hey, 89 00:05:20,160 --> 00:05:23,360 Speaker 1: hey you, I can see you, you know that kind 90 00:05:23,400 --> 00:05:25,760 Speaker 1: of stuff. But but but the the other use of 91 00:05:25,800 --> 00:05:27,640 Speaker 1: this is, like I said, crank it up and you 92 00:05:27,839 --> 00:05:31,119 Speaker 1: cripple someone because it's just so loud that it it's 93 00:05:31,440 --> 00:05:37,480 Speaker 1: the pain is um uh difficult to bear on the 94 00:05:38,040 --> 00:05:41,599 Speaker 1: on the Department of Defense non Lethal Weapons program pages 95 00:05:41,640 --> 00:05:44,640 Speaker 1: and they have I use these for for my research. 96 00:05:45,160 --> 00:05:50,159 Speaker 1: They have a set of current and uh proposed um 97 00:05:50,160 --> 00:05:53,200 Speaker 1: different kinds of non lethal weapons, and they use what 98 00:05:53,240 --> 00:05:56,599 Speaker 1: they call acoustic healing devices, which I think are probably 99 00:05:56,640 --> 00:05:58,760 Speaker 1: related to these uh and they have a picture of 100 00:05:58,760 --> 00:06:00,320 Speaker 1: one of those. But they say that they use them 101 00:06:00,360 --> 00:06:05,440 Speaker 1: to to uh give intelligible voice commands over very very 102 00:06:05,520 --> 00:06:08,640 Speaker 1: long distances. So I think they you know, from ship 103 00:06:08,720 --> 00:06:11,400 Speaker 1: to ship, UM, you know, where they're not actually trying 104 00:06:11,400 --> 00:06:14,640 Speaker 1: to cause pain, but they're using that level of U 105 00:06:15,720 --> 00:06:19,520 Speaker 1: extra heavy amplification to get a message across and they 106 00:06:19,520 --> 00:06:22,039 Speaker 1: consider it a weapon. But they're not talking about using 107 00:06:22,040 --> 00:06:24,760 Speaker 1: it in the exact same way. It's like a really 108 00:06:24,920 --> 00:06:30,080 Speaker 1: focused bullhorn. Yeah. Yeah. Another UM non lethal weapon that 109 00:06:30,120 --> 00:06:33,800 Speaker 1: I saw that uses sound as the impulse stunnerd gun. UM. 110 00:06:33,920 --> 00:06:36,200 Speaker 1: I don't know about this one. No, it's uh, it's 111 00:06:36,240 --> 00:06:39,200 Speaker 1: it's pretty neat. UM. Some of these, some of these 112 00:06:39,279 --> 00:06:43,040 Speaker 1: weapon quote unquote weapons, I guess they're technically weapons, UM, 113 00:06:43,640 --> 00:06:47,680 Speaker 1: have very interesting names. Uh. This one is would have 114 00:06:47,720 --> 00:06:51,440 Speaker 1: been used if you've ever watched the movie Thunderball UM, 115 00:06:51,760 --> 00:06:57,800 Speaker 1: the documentary documentary Thunderball UM, which has a very scintillating 116 00:06:58,000 --> 00:07:01,279 Speaker 1: underwater battle scene. UM. But if someone had had the 117 00:07:01,279 --> 00:07:03,400 Speaker 1: impulse stunder gun, that might have gone a different way 118 00:07:03,400 --> 00:07:07,000 Speaker 1: because basically this is uh used to stop people who 119 00:07:07,080 --> 00:07:12,200 Speaker 1: are diving or swimming um underwater. It uses a sound 120 00:07:12,240 --> 00:07:17,560 Speaker 1: wave that travels underwater that affects the way a person 121 00:07:18,520 --> 00:07:23,680 Speaker 1: here's and will induce nausea. Oh so it's something you 122 00:07:23,720 --> 00:07:26,080 Speaker 1: want to feel when you're underwater. No. No, And I 123 00:07:26,080 --> 00:07:29,480 Speaker 1: mean if you had, you know, divers who are attempting 124 00:07:29,480 --> 00:07:34,120 Speaker 1: some kind of underwater subterfuge, I wanted to say subterfuge 125 00:07:34,120 --> 00:07:38,840 Speaker 1: partially underwater. UM, you know it would it would you 126 00:07:38,840 --> 00:07:41,920 Speaker 1: think about that, if you were feeling suddenly like you 127 00:07:41,960 --> 00:07:46,640 Speaker 1: were about to be ill, very violently ill underwater, I 128 00:07:46,480 --> 00:07:49,640 Speaker 1: imagine it would be very hard to continue on with 129 00:07:49,800 --> 00:07:52,360 Speaker 1: your actions. You would have to break it off and 130 00:07:52,440 --> 00:07:55,560 Speaker 1: and for the surface, you know, dive for the surface, 131 00:07:55,600 --> 00:07:58,720 Speaker 1: what swim to the surface. There we go. Um, but yeah, 132 00:07:58,760 --> 00:08:01,640 Speaker 1: that's a pretty neat application of sound too well. And 133 00:08:01,640 --> 00:08:05,080 Speaker 1: and another one I saw, which did not have a name, 134 00:08:05,520 --> 00:08:07,440 Speaker 1: or at least not a name that I could find, 135 00:08:08,240 --> 00:08:13,320 Speaker 1: is a product that was developed by some Japanese engineers. Uh. 136 00:08:13,400 --> 00:08:17,720 Speaker 1: It was a gun that has a microphone, a directional microphone, 137 00:08:17,760 --> 00:08:21,400 Speaker 1: and directional speakers. And the what the gun does is 138 00:08:21,560 --> 00:08:24,880 Speaker 1: you pointed at someone who's being loud and obnoxious, their 139 00:08:24,960 --> 00:08:28,320 Speaker 1: voice goes into the microphone. It gets projected back from 140 00:08:28,320 --> 00:08:32,120 Speaker 1: by the speakers at about a point to second delay, 141 00:08:32,200 --> 00:08:35,120 Speaker 1: So the person talking starts to hear themselves speaking but 142 00:08:35,240 --> 00:08:38,920 Speaker 1: point two seconds behind what they're currently saying, which is 143 00:08:39,000 --> 00:08:43,160 Speaker 1: incredibly distracting. It's very difficult to continue a train of 144 00:08:43,200 --> 00:08:46,280 Speaker 1: thought when you're hearing yourself at a slight delay. If 145 00:08:46,320 --> 00:08:49,280 Speaker 1: you've ever talked on the phone or on any sort 146 00:08:49,280 --> 00:08:51,040 Speaker 1: of radio device where you got that little bit of 147 00:08:51,040 --> 00:08:55,120 Speaker 1: an echo or on on Skype, for example, anything like 148 00:08:55,160 --> 00:08:57,680 Speaker 1: that where you start talking and you start hearing yourself 149 00:08:57,760 --> 00:09:01,880 Speaker 1: just an instant after you're talking. It can be very disorienting. 150 00:09:01,960 --> 00:09:05,440 Speaker 1: It can be very disorienting. Yeah, you start talking, then 151 00:09:05,480 --> 00:09:07,600 Speaker 1: you're thinking, wait, I just said that. No no, I 152 00:09:07,640 --> 00:09:09,240 Speaker 1: just said that. No no, no, I just said that, 153 00:09:09,320 --> 00:09:12,720 Speaker 1: And then you can't make sense of anything anymore. So 154 00:09:13,040 --> 00:09:16,880 Speaker 1: this particular quote unquote weapon was a sort of a 155 00:09:17,600 --> 00:09:19,640 Speaker 1: I was designed to try and take care of people 156 00:09:19,679 --> 00:09:23,680 Speaker 1: who are rude. Yeah, it's not meant to be like 157 00:09:23,760 --> 00:09:27,200 Speaker 1: something to disperse a crowd or whatever. But there were 158 00:09:27,200 --> 00:09:32,240 Speaker 1: a lot of of notes I saw on the article. Yeah, 159 00:09:32,240 --> 00:09:34,080 Speaker 1: that was popular a few a few months ago. I 160 00:09:34,160 --> 00:09:36,559 Speaker 1: remember seeing seeing that a lot. So it's not it's 161 00:09:36,600 --> 00:09:38,880 Speaker 1: not something that the police are using necessarily. It's more 162 00:09:38,920 --> 00:09:41,320 Speaker 1: like a I'm trying to eat my dinner in a 163 00:09:41,440 --> 00:09:44,760 Speaker 1: restaurant and you're having a cell phone conversation at the 164 00:09:44,760 --> 00:09:46,880 Speaker 1: table next to me and you're really annoying. Or I'm 165 00:09:46,920 --> 00:09:48,559 Speaker 1: at the movie theater and I just want to watch 166 00:09:48,640 --> 00:09:52,960 Speaker 1: this documentary darnett Um. Yeah, the notes I saw said, 167 00:09:52,960 --> 00:09:55,240 Speaker 1: what if you use this for someone who's doing some 168 00:09:55,320 --> 00:10:00,640 Speaker 1: public speaking. But I would imagine that even with directional speakers, 169 00:10:01,280 --> 00:10:04,160 Speaker 1: it's not so focused that only the person who is 170 00:10:04,800 --> 00:10:07,640 Speaker 1: speaking can hear it. You know, it's not like you're 171 00:10:07,679 --> 00:10:11,040 Speaker 1: beaming the words directly back into the person's ears. Everyone 172 00:10:11,120 --> 00:10:13,240 Speaker 1: can hear it. So it's not like you could get 173 00:10:13,280 --> 00:10:15,760 Speaker 1: away with doing something like that. Everyone would know who 174 00:10:15,880 --> 00:10:18,800 Speaker 1: had done that, and you would, uh, you would very 175 00:10:18,840 --> 00:10:21,480 Speaker 1: quickly get your come up. And I would imagine depending 176 00:10:21,559 --> 00:10:26,720 Speaker 1: upon the circumstances of where you used it. Why, um, 177 00:10:26,800 --> 00:10:29,800 Speaker 1: like I just want to aim at that valedictorian, think 178 00:10:29,880 --> 00:10:35,600 Speaker 1: she's so big? Um. Yeah. I was also thinking that 179 00:10:35,600 --> 00:10:38,560 Speaker 1: that's interesting that we bring that up in an election 180 00:10:38,640 --> 00:10:40,640 Speaker 1: year here in the United States where people are giving 181 00:10:40,640 --> 00:10:42,280 Speaker 1: a lot of speeches. We'll see. That was the thing 182 00:10:42,320 --> 00:10:45,040 Speaker 1: that was That was what a lot of the notes, uh, 183 00:10:45,040 --> 00:10:47,160 Speaker 1: we're you know, That's what they pertained to, was the 184 00:10:47,240 --> 00:10:51,319 Speaker 1: idea of some sort of person who's running for an 185 00:10:51,320 --> 00:10:54,360 Speaker 1: elected office and then disrupting their speech so that they 186 00:10:54,400 --> 00:10:58,400 Speaker 1: seem like they're an idiot and then gives their opponent 187 00:10:58,480 --> 00:11:01,280 Speaker 1: an advantage. But the truth is is that particular weapon 188 00:11:01,480 --> 00:11:03,959 Speaker 1: or that particular product, whatever you want to call it, 189 00:11:04,280 --> 00:11:06,880 Speaker 1: would not be so subtle as to allow someone to 190 00:11:06,880 --> 00:11:10,200 Speaker 1: get away with that. I have another This is not 191 00:11:13,040 --> 00:11:17,920 Speaker 1: another D O D product. UM actually looks sort of 192 00:11:17,960 --> 00:11:20,520 Speaker 1: like a series of of flat disks that are a 193 00:11:20,600 --> 00:11:24,880 Speaker 1: quartered together. Doesn't look very offensive if you will weapon. 194 00:11:25,160 --> 00:11:29,040 Speaker 1: But it's called the Enhanced Underwater Loudhailer. I told you 195 00:11:29,040 --> 00:11:33,000 Speaker 1: they had some strange names. Basically, this is another underwater 196 00:11:33,080 --> 00:11:38,360 Speaker 1: device that can be used up to uh forty deep 197 00:11:38,679 --> 00:11:41,880 Speaker 1: in water. UM, and it can it can transmit sound 198 00:11:42,040 --> 00:11:46,800 Speaker 1: up to four sevens away. Basically they can give It's 199 00:11:46,800 --> 00:11:48,800 Speaker 1: sort of like the one that they use above the 200 00:11:48,840 --> 00:11:52,400 Speaker 1: surface of the water. But um, it allows you to 201 00:11:52,600 --> 00:11:54,440 Speaker 1: uh send on you know. I actually the one I 202 00:11:54,480 --> 00:11:56,959 Speaker 1: was just talking about a few moments ago, where the 203 00:11:56,960 --> 00:11:59,160 Speaker 1: the device that you could use to send signals for 204 00:11:59,200 --> 00:12:01,800 Speaker 1: a very long time, uh, make your commands heard for 205 00:12:01,800 --> 00:12:03,520 Speaker 1: a very long distance. They show a picture of a 206 00:12:03,559 --> 00:12:05,840 Speaker 1: Navy ship. I think you could probably use that in 207 00:12:05,960 --> 00:12:09,840 Speaker 1: other applications. UM, but yeah, they can also they can 208 00:12:09,880 --> 00:12:13,480 Speaker 1: also issue commands with this underwater allowed haailer or impair 209 00:12:14,320 --> 00:12:18,920 Speaker 1: uh um people's hearing underwater for up to two hours. 210 00:12:20,000 --> 00:12:22,760 Speaker 1: It will operate so uh pretty neat. It's sort of 211 00:12:22,760 --> 00:12:24,719 Speaker 1: it's sort of like the In some of the other 212 00:12:24,760 --> 00:12:27,680 Speaker 1: research I did, I was looking at things like culture 213 00:12:27,760 --> 00:12:30,840 Speaker 1: ups and devices that you would use to stop vehicles, 214 00:12:30,840 --> 00:12:32,400 Speaker 1: and I wasn't really going to focus on that, but 215 00:12:32,400 --> 00:12:34,000 Speaker 1: it sort of seems like that, Like you could drop 216 00:12:34,040 --> 00:12:36,680 Speaker 1: this underwater. It's battery operated and they can use it 217 00:12:36,720 --> 00:12:41,360 Speaker 1: to give commands and and affect divers hearing underwater. So 218 00:12:41,840 --> 00:12:44,560 Speaker 1: pretty neat. Yeah, I'm ready to move on to a 219 00:12:44,559 --> 00:12:46,880 Speaker 1: new category unless you have another sound. One no other 220 00:12:46,920 --> 00:12:49,200 Speaker 1: sound on this is this is moving to the category 221 00:12:49,240 --> 00:12:53,200 Speaker 1: of air. Okay, using air as a weapon, Oh, sort 222 00:12:53,200 --> 00:12:56,520 Speaker 1: of like the air Zuka. Yeah, exactly, that's exactly what 223 00:12:56,600 --> 00:12:58,720 Speaker 1: it is. So air Zuka. So you're talking about a 224 00:12:58,760 --> 00:13:01,640 Speaker 1: device toy. Yeah, it's a toy. It's a device that 225 00:13:01,679 --> 00:13:05,520 Speaker 1: creates a vortex ring. Now vortex ring is kind of 226 00:13:05,559 --> 00:13:07,760 Speaker 1: imagined sort of like a tornado, except it's in a 227 00:13:07,840 --> 00:13:11,480 Speaker 1: donut shape and it will it's air that will rotate 228 00:13:11,520 --> 00:13:13,880 Speaker 1: in this donut shape and it actually will maintain that 229 00:13:14,000 --> 00:13:17,720 Speaker 1: integrity for a pretty good distance. And the air Zuoka 230 00:13:17,880 --> 00:13:19,520 Speaker 1: is just a it's a toy that does this. You 231 00:13:19,600 --> 00:13:22,959 Speaker 1: pull back a uh a sort of a well, it's 232 00:13:22,960 --> 00:13:25,160 Speaker 1: a diaphragm really and you let go and it pushes 233 00:13:25,240 --> 00:13:28,440 Speaker 1: air out through a nozzle and that creates the spinning 234 00:13:28,520 --> 00:13:32,000 Speaker 1: vortex of air that then can go across the room 235 00:13:32,080 --> 00:13:33,960 Speaker 1: and hit someone in the face and they feel like 236 00:13:34,200 --> 00:13:38,079 Speaker 1: someone just you know, blew a huge breath of air 237 00:13:38,240 --> 00:13:40,960 Speaker 1: right in their face for for no apparent reason. So, yeah, 238 00:13:41,000 --> 00:13:42,680 Speaker 1: you walk in the door of a room, someone across 239 00:13:42,679 --> 00:13:45,160 Speaker 1: the room has gone whoop, and then you go, hey, 240 00:13:45,280 --> 00:13:48,200 Speaker 1: what was that? Well, and there's and I mean it 241 00:13:48,240 --> 00:13:50,680 Speaker 1: doesn't move that fast either, So it's kind of funny 242 00:13:50,679 --> 00:13:53,880 Speaker 1: because you actually can see, you know, there's there are 243 00:13:53,880 --> 00:13:56,480 Speaker 1: a few seconds between when someone might fire one and 244 00:13:56,480 --> 00:13:59,800 Speaker 1: someone else might feel it, and so you're just waiting 245 00:13:59,840 --> 00:14:02,079 Speaker 1: in waitings that didn't work. Oh yeah, there's the guy. 246 00:14:02,120 --> 00:14:05,640 Speaker 1: They're flinching. Now, yep, it worked. Well, you can actually 247 00:14:06,400 --> 00:14:10,840 Speaker 1: kick that up a notch and weaponize it. And if 248 00:14:10,880 --> 00:14:14,959 Speaker 1: you use pressurized gas and you accelerate the gas to 249 00:14:15,240 --> 00:14:20,080 Speaker 1: supersonic velocity as it exits the nozzle. Once it comes 250 00:14:20,080 --> 00:14:22,440 Speaker 1: out of that nozzle, it becomes a high spin vortex 251 00:14:22,520 --> 00:14:25,960 Speaker 1: ring that can travel a good long distance and be 252 00:14:26,040 --> 00:14:28,880 Speaker 1: strong enough to knock over someone. Oh around a hundred 253 00:14:28,920 --> 00:14:33,280 Speaker 1: eighty pounds, so they it's like getting shoved in the 254 00:14:33,360 --> 00:14:37,280 Speaker 1: chest by a really strong person. It's just it's just 255 00:14:37,320 --> 00:14:40,840 Speaker 1: that it's air. Now, you could also, if you were 256 00:14:40,880 --> 00:14:47,440 Speaker 1: so inclined, add in um malodorance. I you know, there 257 00:14:47,440 --> 00:14:50,240 Speaker 1: were so many jokes that I was thinking about making, 258 00:14:50,240 --> 00:14:53,040 Speaker 1: and I'm you're just not helping you. Well, the malodorance 259 00:14:53,040 --> 00:14:55,320 Speaker 1: would be designed the maloderant, of course, of something that 260 00:14:55,320 --> 00:15:01,240 Speaker 1: smells bad. But a malodorant could be designed to induce nausea, uh, 261 00:15:01,400 --> 00:15:04,440 Speaker 1: or for to make your eyes water. So then you're 262 00:15:04,440 --> 00:15:08,240 Speaker 1: getting shoved by a very stinky person essentially. But when 263 00:15:08,240 --> 00:15:11,920 Speaker 1: I say stinky person, I'm talking about smells. They're so 264 00:15:12,000 --> 00:15:15,280 Speaker 1: bad that you might feel like wretching. It's it's not 265 00:15:15,440 --> 00:15:18,320 Speaker 1: like it's not just you know, oh that's like rotten eggs. No, 266 00:15:18,400 --> 00:15:22,640 Speaker 1: it's way way worse. And uh you could even put 267 00:15:22,640 --> 00:15:24,720 Speaker 1: in other stuff too, if you really wanted to, like 268 00:15:24,880 --> 00:15:30,120 Speaker 1: some something that would affect you even more um acutely 269 00:15:30,360 --> 00:15:33,320 Speaker 1: than a malodorant. But anyway, that's the general idea is 270 00:15:33,360 --> 00:15:37,800 Speaker 1: just using air to knock back a person. Now, in 271 00:15:37,840 --> 00:15:41,320 Speaker 1: this case, you're talking about a weapon designed to really 272 00:15:42,120 --> 00:15:45,440 Speaker 1: knocked back individuals, right, you're not talking about like if 273 00:15:45,440 --> 00:15:49,400 Speaker 1: there's a group of people, uh, walking up, shooting each 274 00:15:49,400 --> 00:15:51,840 Speaker 1: one with a vortex of air is gonna take a 275 00:15:51,840 --> 00:15:54,200 Speaker 1: while because you have to let that pressure build back 276 00:15:54,280 --> 00:15:56,360 Speaker 1: up again and you have to then release the gas 277 00:15:56,360 --> 00:15:59,160 Speaker 1: so that it goes out. And of course, again that's 278 00:15:59,160 --> 00:16:01,640 Speaker 1: a projectile that does and move as fast as say 279 00:16:01,680 --> 00:16:04,960 Speaker 1: a bullet or even sound or anything like that. So 280 00:16:06,320 --> 00:16:08,680 Speaker 1: it starts to slow down almost immediately as it moves out, 281 00:16:08,720 --> 00:16:11,680 Speaker 1: well really immediately as soon as it objects from the nozzle. 282 00:16:11,960 --> 00:16:15,000 Speaker 1: So even though it's moving at supersonic speeds within the nozzle, 283 00:16:15,080 --> 00:16:17,880 Speaker 1: once it gets out, it starts to slow down. Um. 284 00:16:18,000 --> 00:16:20,240 Speaker 1: So it's not it's not something that you could use 285 00:16:20,520 --> 00:16:24,240 Speaker 1: on a mass of people. But if you're talking about 286 00:16:25,240 --> 00:16:28,600 Speaker 1: aiming at a specific person to knock them down, perhaps 287 00:16:28,680 --> 00:16:32,440 Speaker 1: it's a individual who has shown himself to be a 288 00:16:32,520 --> 00:16:36,080 Speaker 1: danger or herself to be a danger to others, than 289 00:16:36,240 --> 00:16:40,360 Speaker 1: it would be a useful tool without actually causing that 290 00:16:40,400 --> 00:16:43,720 Speaker 1: person direct harm. Now, granted, if the person falls down, 291 00:16:43,760 --> 00:16:47,600 Speaker 1: there's always the chance that person could suffer serious injury 292 00:16:47,680 --> 00:16:50,880 Speaker 1: in that fall, but the the impact of the air 293 00:16:50,920 --> 00:16:56,720 Speaker 1: itself should not necessarily cause injury. Um. Yeah, I don't 294 00:16:56,720 --> 00:16:59,880 Speaker 1: really have a lot of air based I can move 295 00:17:00,000 --> 00:17:03,600 Speaker 1: onto electricity. Well you know it. I do have one 296 00:17:03,680 --> 00:17:07,200 Speaker 1: that's uh that sort of reminds me of that sort 297 00:17:07,200 --> 00:17:11,159 Speaker 1: of out of that um that field. And there was 298 00:17:11,280 --> 00:17:15,080 Speaker 1: one that that I saw as a UM it would 299 00:17:15,080 --> 00:17:20,240 Speaker 1: be very effective against vehicles, but it also would make you, um, 300 00:17:20,359 --> 00:17:24,920 Speaker 1: well slip called polymer ice. Did you run across this 301 00:17:24,960 --> 00:17:26,719 Speaker 1: one at all? Oh, this is not now, this is 302 00:17:26,800 --> 00:17:29,399 Speaker 1: this is a this is a spray. But apparently what 303 00:17:29,440 --> 00:17:32,040 Speaker 1: it is is essentially uh, you know, a polymer is 304 00:17:32,080 --> 00:17:35,800 Speaker 1: as a chemical, and they would use it in places 305 00:17:35,920 --> 00:17:38,520 Speaker 1: where the military is looking into this as a possibility 306 00:17:38,560 --> 00:17:42,880 Speaker 1: apparently for especially for places that are particularly warm, like 307 00:17:42,960 --> 00:17:47,159 Speaker 1: the Middle East or um, you know, places closer to 308 00:17:47,200 --> 00:17:51,080 Speaker 1: the equator than say, I don't know, Greenland, um or 309 00:17:51,119 --> 00:17:54,600 Speaker 1: maybe Atlanta, Georgia on a summer's day exactly. But if 310 00:17:54,920 --> 00:17:57,760 Speaker 1: effectively creates sort of you would spray it on the 311 00:17:57,760 --> 00:18:02,480 Speaker 1: ground and it would effectively create a icy situation. So 312 00:18:02,520 --> 00:18:06,000 Speaker 1: this this plastic would make people slip and fall as 313 00:18:06,040 --> 00:18:10,520 Speaker 1: though they were on ice. Um. Now, if you're if 314 00:18:10,560 --> 00:18:14,120 Speaker 1: you're thinking Keystone Cops sort of thing. So you're chasing 315 00:18:14,160 --> 00:18:17,200 Speaker 1: somebody and they've set up a trap ahead of them 316 00:18:17,480 --> 00:18:19,639 Speaker 1: so that the polymer is on the ground now, so 317 00:18:19,680 --> 00:18:22,080 Speaker 1: they're starting to fall, and then of course the people 318 00:18:22,520 --> 00:18:25,560 Speaker 1: who are chasing them also begin to slip and fall, 319 00:18:25,640 --> 00:18:27,760 Speaker 1: so everybody is writhing around in the ground because they 320 00:18:27,760 --> 00:18:30,919 Speaker 1: can't get up. It's like a bunch of turtles on 321 00:18:30,960 --> 00:18:34,520 Speaker 1: their backs. Yeah. Um, they have been working on a 322 00:18:34,600 --> 00:18:37,800 Speaker 1: counter agent for this that they could use the shoes. 323 00:18:37,960 --> 00:18:40,040 Speaker 1: They could use it on the shoes and tires of 324 00:18:40,160 --> 00:18:46,080 Speaker 1: vehicle vehicles that are, you know, running after them. It's 325 00:18:46,160 --> 00:18:50,600 Speaker 1: still a really advanced version of my automatic banana peel tosser. 326 00:18:51,880 --> 00:18:54,400 Speaker 1: But yeah, the whole you know, making people fall down 327 00:18:54,480 --> 00:18:56,560 Speaker 1: thing where you were just talking about that a moment 328 00:18:56,560 --> 00:18:59,240 Speaker 1: ago with using the high powered air, I thought, oh, 329 00:18:59,400 --> 00:19:01,960 Speaker 1: slipping in falling down, that sounds like the if you 330 00:19:01,960 --> 00:19:04,199 Speaker 1: could use the two together, so you could really have 331 00:19:04,280 --> 00:19:06,440 Speaker 1: people on their backs. So this is the reason why 332 00:19:06,480 --> 00:19:09,280 Speaker 1: I really wanted to do this, uh, this topic, because 333 00:19:09,840 --> 00:19:11,679 Speaker 1: the more we talk about the more it sounds like 334 00:19:11,680 --> 00:19:15,560 Speaker 1: we're entering a world where Acme products from Warner Brothers 335 00:19:15,560 --> 00:19:20,480 Speaker 1: cartoons are a reality. Well, people still like talking about 336 00:19:20,520 --> 00:19:24,399 Speaker 1: that that effort that the US military made to weaponize bats. 337 00:19:25,720 --> 00:19:28,640 Speaker 1: Well there's also the whole weaponized dolphins thing. Yes, yes, 338 00:19:28,960 --> 00:19:32,280 Speaker 1: and then those those things are actually well we're actually real. 339 00:19:32,440 --> 00:19:35,840 Speaker 1: So hey, yeah, there's some some of these are really 340 00:19:35,880 --> 00:19:38,159 Speaker 1: cool and some of them are sillier than not. You 341 00:19:38,200 --> 00:19:40,359 Speaker 1: take advantages anyway you can get them, and not everything 342 00:19:40,440 --> 00:19:42,719 Speaker 1: pans out, all right, So let's move on to electricity. 343 00:19:43,160 --> 00:19:45,840 Speaker 1: So there's plenty of that. Yeah, you know, you have 344 00:19:45,880 --> 00:19:50,800 Speaker 1: your typical stun guns, which a basic stun gun is 345 00:19:51,000 --> 00:19:54,280 Speaker 1: a device that has a couple of electrode prongs that 346 00:19:54,440 --> 00:19:58,439 Speaker 1: when you when you activate it, electricity passes between the 347 00:19:58,440 --> 00:20:01,199 Speaker 1: two prongs. So if you were to put that in 348 00:20:01,320 --> 00:20:04,360 Speaker 1: contact with a human you could shock them and generally 349 00:20:04,359 --> 00:20:08,440 Speaker 1: it's a strong enough electric shock to make their muscles 350 00:20:08,600 --> 00:20:13,119 Speaker 1: seize up. It causes pain, and it also makes people 351 00:20:13,400 --> 00:20:16,040 Speaker 1: fall over if the if the shocks enough for their 352 00:20:16,080 --> 00:20:19,119 Speaker 1: muscles to seize up like that, they lose control of 353 00:20:19,160 --> 00:20:23,280 Speaker 1: their muscle um, their muscle movements and they fall over. 354 00:20:24,320 --> 00:20:29,000 Speaker 1: Um yeah, it's you can't you can't stop that, you know, 355 00:20:29,080 --> 00:20:34,000 Speaker 1: because our muscles do work on electrochemical signals. So if 356 00:20:34,040 --> 00:20:37,239 Speaker 1: you use electricity to override those signals, then suddenly they 357 00:20:37,280 --> 00:20:41,359 Speaker 1: just start contracting like crazy and you can't really do anything. Um. 358 00:20:41,400 --> 00:20:45,600 Speaker 1: As someone who has actually felt the sting of an 359 00:20:45,720 --> 00:20:48,840 Speaker 1: underpowered stunt gun, I can tell you it is not 360 00:20:48,960 --> 00:20:52,560 Speaker 1: a pleasant experience. It felt like it felt like a 361 00:20:52,600 --> 00:20:56,560 Speaker 1: really intense beasting because the one that was I was 362 00:20:56,600 --> 00:20:58,760 Speaker 1: gonna say, used on me, but really I used it 363 00:20:58,760 --> 00:21:03,720 Speaker 1: on myself. Uh, I was an idiot kid. I don't 364 00:21:03,880 --> 00:21:05,399 Speaker 1: want to know. It was not the first one to 365 00:21:05,440 --> 00:21:08,160 Speaker 1: do it either. I watched until several other people went 366 00:21:08,240 --> 00:21:11,120 Speaker 1: owl that that hurts. The next one's like, hey give 367 00:21:11,119 --> 00:21:13,920 Speaker 1: me that owl, Well, that does hurt, and next person, hey, 368 00:21:13,920 --> 00:21:15,320 Speaker 1: give me that al and then came round to me. 369 00:21:15,320 --> 00:21:19,400 Speaker 1: I'm like, all right, give me that. But the battery 370 00:21:19,400 --> 00:21:21,680 Speaker 1: had really run down, so it wasn't a very powerful 371 00:21:21,720 --> 00:21:24,959 Speaker 1: stun gun. And really the reaction we all had was 372 00:21:25,080 --> 00:21:28,200 Speaker 1: if you hit an attacker with that particular stun gun 373 00:21:28,240 --> 00:21:30,640 Speaker 1: because the battery been worn down so much, you really 374 00:21:30,640 --> 00:21:33,600 Speaker 1: would have just irritated them, because again, it wasn't enough 375 00:21:33,680 --> 00:21:36,080 Speaker 1: to make all your muscles contract. It made you made 376 00:21:36,240 --> 00:21:39,320 Speaker 1: made whatever muscle it was in contact with twitch like crazy, 377 00:21:40,160 --> 00:21:42,720 Speaker 1: and it stung, but it wasn't enough to really be 378 00:21:42,760 --> 00:21:46,160 Speaker 1: a deterrent well, a real stun gun with a fully 379 00:21:46,240 --> 00:21:49,520 Speaker 1: charged batteries serious business that can make you fall over 380 00:21:50,200 --> 00:21:51,880 Speaker 1: and it can be a while before you can get 381 00:21:51,880 --> 00:21:55,119 Speaker 1: back up again. And perhaps the most I would argue, 382 00:21:55,200 --> 00:21:58,920 Speaker 1: the most famous name in this sort of technology, although 383 00:21:58,920 --> 00:22:04,400 Speaker 1: it's not just stunt gun, is taser, and a typical 384 00:22:04,480 --> 00:22:08,480 Speaker 1: taser is a device that ejects a pair of electrodes, 385 00:22:09,000 --> 00:22:13,239 Speaker 1: fires them at a target. UH. The electrodes trail a 386 00:22:13,280 --> 00:22:17,320 Speaker 1: wire that connects back to the handheld device, and then 387 00:22:17,359 --> 00:22:20,280 Speaker 1: once it comes into contact with the target, electricity flows 388 00:22:20,320 --> 00:22:25,240 Speaker 1: through the wires into those electrodes and shocks the target 389 00:22:26,520 --> 00:22:30,200 Speaker 1: and again creates a shock strong enough to make all 390 00:22:30,200 --> 00:22:35,080 Speaker 1: those muscles contract and the person generally winces, says something 391 00:22:35,080 --> 00:22:39,960 Speaker 1: along the lines of al and falls over UM. And 392 00:22:40,480 --> 00:22:43,280 Speaker 1: the intention is to do this in a non lethal way. Now, 393 00:22:43,320 --> 00:22:47,159 Speaker 1: there have been deaths associated with the use of tasers. 394 00:22:47,240 --> 00:22:50,800 Speaker 1: In some cases it was because of the way the 395 00:22:51,359 --> 00:22:54,239 Speaker 1: target or the person will say person target is just 396 00:22:54,320 --> 00:22:58,399 Speaker 1: the generic term, but the person fell, and then the 397 00:22:58,480 --> 00:23:02,119 Speaker 1: fall was partially what killed the person. In some cases, 398 00:23:02,160 --> 00:23:04,359 Speaker 1: it might be that the person had a pacemaker or 399 00:23:04,440 --> 00:23:08,480 Speaker 1: some other medical device that got UH that malfunction due 400 00:23:08,480 --> 00:23:12,160 Speaker 1: to the electric shock. Sometimes it has to do with 401 00:23:13,400 --> 00:23:17,200 Speaker 1: drugs that are in the persons system. Anyway, even though 402 00:23:17,240 --> 00:23:20,720 Speaker 1: it's meant to be non lethal, not every single instance 403 00:23:21,040 --> 00:23:23,639 Speaker 1: is non lethal. So these are and that's pretty much 404 00:23:23,680 --> 00:23:25,679 Speaker 1: true of all those things we're talking about that have 405 00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:30,040 Speaker 1: these really serious consequences, is that they could potentially kill somebody. 406 00:23:30,560 --> 00:23:35,040 Speaker 1: Well that that basic taser you can fire that at 407 00:23:35,119 --> 00:23:41,000 Speaker 1: someone who's maybe twenty ft away. But Taser came up 408 00:23:41,040 --> 00:23:43,960 Speaker 1: with something pretty interesting that I saw, I think back 409 00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:46,560 Speaker 1: in two thousand nine at c S. Right, I believe 410 00:23:46,600 --> 00:23:49,160 Speaker 1: you're talking about an article you wrote on how Stuff 411 00:23:49,160 --> 00:23:52,400 Speaker 1: Works dot com. Yeah, the Taser shotgun. Yes, yeah, well 412 00:23:52,440 --> 00:23:56,040 Speaker 1: actually isn't the shotgun itself just the shotgun show. But 413 00:23:56,119 --> 00:23:59,520 Speaker 1: you do you do get you can't have a specific 414 00:23:59,520 --> 00:24:05,200 Speaker 1: shotgun that is designed to only fire these Taser shotgun shells, 415 00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:09,120 Speaker 1: so they won't fire a round of shot. But these 416 00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:15,359 Speaker 1: Taser shotgun shells, inside the the shell is a Taser device. 417 00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:19,120 Speaker 1: There are the little electronic probes that will stick into 418 00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:22,600 Speaker 1: whatever the target is. The back half of the shell 419 00:24:22,800 --> 00:24:25,080 Speaker 1: detaches and there are a bunch of there are a 420 00:24:25,080 --> 00:24:27,680 Speaker 1: couple of wires where it will attach to the probes. 421 00:24:28,040 --> 00:24:30,800 Speaker 1: The back half dangles down from the target and then 422 00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:36,240 Speaker 1: shoots electricity through those prongs. So that gives military or 423 00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:40,400 Speaker 1: police the ability of firing a taser at a much 424 00:24:40,920 --> 00:24:42,960 Speaker 1: greater range than they could if they were just using 425 00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:47,280 Speaker 1: a handheld device. Also, the shotgun shell has little fins 426 00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:51,000 Speaker 1: on it that stabilize its flight. So yeah, I've seen 427 00:24:51,040 --> 00:24:54,560 Speaker 1: my regular shotgun that has shot that dispersed, disperses as 428 00:24:54,600 --> 00:24:56,320 Speaker 1: soon as you fire. Yeah, this this is so that 429 00:24:56,320 --> 00:24:58,040 Speaker 1: it will give it a stable flight paths, so that 430 00:24:58,119 --> 00:25:02,160 Speaker 1: it'll it'll fly in the the straight direction of where 431 00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:04,919 Speaker 1: you're aiming the shotgun. Right, And if I remember the 432 00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:09,080 Speaker 1: article correctly, you wrote that there if if they try 433 00:25:09,119 --> 00:25:12,680 Speaker 1: to remove it, then they get shocked. Yeah, the the 434 00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:16,960 Speaker 1: wires that have the electricity running through them are not shielded, 435 00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:22,560 Speaker 1: so I need to remove this. Yeah, then you grab 436 00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:24,640 Speaker 1: it and then you get shocked again, and it does 437 00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:26,800 Speaker 1: send pulses of electricity through and I think it's like 438 00:25:26,840 --> 00:25:31,439 Speaker 1: twenty seconds of a pretty serious shock so that it'll 439 00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:37,200 Speaker 1: immobilize the person. Um. Yeah, And they were showing every 440 00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:39,920 Speaker 1: time I see taser at c s, they are they 441 00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:44,200 Speaker 1: tend to be showing off their technology by bringing in volunteers, 442 00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:46,760 Speaker 1: and I cannot imagine ever being a volunteer for that. 443 00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:51,800 Speaker 1: I took a pepper spray certification course. Did you actually 444 00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:53,960 Speaker 1: have to get hit by the pepper spray to be 445 00:25:54,160 --> 00:25:58,800 Speaker 1: actually certified? Yes? And everyone I elected not to. I 446 00:25:58,840 --> 00:26:01,000 Speaker 1: watched everyone else do it, and I was very glad 447 00:26:01,040 --> 00:26:03,320 Speaker 1: that I had not elected not to. Yeah, everyone I've seen, 448 00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:04,879 Speaker 1: I mean, I've known a lot of people who have 449 00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:09,720 Speaker 1: gone into the military, into or into the police force, 450 00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:14,040 Speaker 1: or even into uh to firefighter courses where part of 451 00:26:14,040 --> 00:26:16,159 Speaker 1: it is that they have to be exposed to this 452 00:26:16,280 --> 00:26:20,000 Speaker 1: stuff so that they understand what the consequences are and 453 00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:23,520 Speaker 1: they know what the effect is. Well, in every case 454 00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:28,960 Speaker 1: it has been a horror story to hear about their experiences. Well, yeah, 455 00:26:29,040 --> 00:26:31,480 Speaker 1: that's the uh, that's the thing. One of the reasons 456 00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:33,720 Speaker 1: that pepper spray is more effective than a lot of 457 00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:37,560 Speaker 1: chemical weapons, from what I understand, is that, um uh, 458 00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:41,760 Speaker 1: no matter what you might be uh taking, if you're 459 00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:46,520 Speaker 1: on some kind of drug that might otherwise, um, you know, 460 00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:51,120 Speaker 1: make you feel less pain. Uh, the pepper spray will 461 00:26:51,119 --> 00:26:56,160 Speaker 1: still make everything swell up involuntarily. UM, So you might 462 00:26:56,280 --> 00:26:58,720 Speaker 1: you might not notice the pain, but the swelling will 463 00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:00,760 Speaker 1: still impede you. Yeah, and that was one of the 464 00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:03,280 Speaker 1: reasons that that they have to do that. It was 465 00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:08,000 Speaker 1: because actually goes back to your shocking yourself story, is 466 00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:11,080 Speaker 1: to keep people from going, hey, Bill, look at that. 467 00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:14,920 Speaker 1: You know, uh, you don't want to do that on 468 00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:17,960 Speaker 1: on just just for kicks. It's not something that that's 469 00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:23,320 Speaker 1: serious business. But well, yeah, I have one other electricity one. Okay, cool, 470 00:27:23,359 --> 00:27:25,120 Speaker 1: and then I can actually add a couple of things 471 00:27:25,119 --> 00:27:27,920 Speaker 1: that are similar. Groovy. Chris and I will be back 472 00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:30,919 Speaker 1: to talk more about non lethal weapons in just a moment, 473 00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:41,399 Speaker 1: but first let's take a quick break. The last one 474 00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:43,400 Speaker 1: I wanted to talk about is still a taser one 475 00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:47,560 Speaker 1: is the Taser shock Wave. I don't know much about 476 00:27:47,560 --> 00:27:49,679 Speaker 1: this one. This was another one that I saw on 477 00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:52,520 Speaker 1: display the same time as a shotgun. Now. Shock Wave 478 00:27:53,320 --> 00:27:58,360 Speaker 1: is essentially it's a bank of tasers. Take six regular 479 00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:02,160 Speaker 1: taser guns to get they're in a twenty degree arc, 480 00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:07,000 Speaker 1: uh and put them on a tripod and then you 481 00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:09,080 Speaker 1: set it out in front of you and that way, 482 00:28:09,119 --> 00:28:12,359 Speaker 1: when the rampaging horde of zombies comes at you, you 483 00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:14,640 Speaker 1: can fire off if you wanted to. You can fire 484 00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:17,479 Speaker 1: off all six at the same time, hitting those those 485 00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:21,360 Speaker 1: people as they come at you. You can also stack them. 486 00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:24,960 Speaker 1: Are zombies affected by electricity? Well they there muscles would 487 00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:27,200 Speaker 1: have to be right. You would think there would be 488 00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:31,000 Speaker 1: a galvanic response. Yeah, clearly there's a galvanic response. I mean, 489 00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:33,280 Speaker 1: come on, Frankenstein alone, all right. Anyway, we'll have this 490 00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:36,800 Speaker 1: discussion offline. But you can stack these taser shock waves, 491 00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:39,240 Speaker 1: so you can have three or four of them stacked 492 00:28:39,280 --> 00:28:41,080 Speaker 1: on top of each other, which means now you've got 493 00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:43,440 Speaker 1: four or three or four times that, and so eighteen 494 00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:47,600 Speaker 1: or twenty four stun guns at your taser stun guns 495 00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:52,160 Speaker 1: at your disposal. This is terrifying to look at in person. 496 00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:53,440 Speaker 1: I mean, you look at this thing and you just 497 00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:56,200 Speaker 1: think of the You realize that this is for very 498 00:28:56,280 --> 00:29:01,760 Speaker 1: serious problems like an uprising or a riot or something 499 00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:07,680 Speaker 1: where there are there's a demonstrable danger to people in property, 500 00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:10,680 Speaker 1: Like I think about the riots that happened in London 501 00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:16,280 Speaker 1: and in the summer of Uh. This is the sort 502 00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:20,360 Speaker 1: of thing where you could imagine UH, something like this 503 00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:24,120 Speaker 1: deployed where it's you know, you wouldn't think of this 504 00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:28,520 Speaker 1: as a uh. The first option, But it's definitely one 505 00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:30,320 Speaker 1: of those things that you know, could be in an 506 00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:36,680 Speaker 1: arsenal for trying to do crowd control or prevent a 507 00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:41,360 Speaker 1: mob or a riot from attacking a particular target. Anyway, 508 00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:46,040 Speaker 1: it basically functions the same way as a taser stun gun. 509 00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:50,360 Speaker 1: It's just that you have, uh, put a whole bunch 510 00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:53,560 Speaker 1: of them together in series and uh actually I guess 511 00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:56,360 Speaker 1: technically they're all in parallel and you can stack them 512 00:29:56,400 --> 00:29:58,640 Speaker 1: and and so it's like instead of having to have 513 00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:00,600 Speaker 1: a whole bunch on hand where as soon as you 514 00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:03,600 Speaker 1: because as soon as you fire a taser, you can't 515 00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:06,720 Speaker 1: just immediately redeploy it. You know, First of all, you 516 00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:09,320 Speaker 1: have you would have to reel in the electrodes again, 517 00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:14,680 Speaker 1: You'd have to have a new uh cartridge of propellant 518 00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:18,240 Speaker 1: in order to shoot those electrodes out again. You would 519 00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:20,640 Speaker 1: also have to have a charged up battery to to 520 00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:25,400 Speaker 1: deliver the shock. So this is what gives you that 521 00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:29,280 Speaker 1: capacity without having to have a whole bunch in a 522 00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:31,800 Speaker 1: box behind you. Yeah, that would that would be another 523 00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:34,960 Speaker 1: advantage of having the taser shotgun shell, Yeah, because you 524 00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:38,800 Speaker 1: can reload very quickly and and yeah, that's absolutely terrifying. 525 00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:42,760 Speaker 1: Really anyway, what was your next category? Let me see 526 00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:45,360 Speaker 1: before I I was going to go onto one of 527 00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:50,120 Speaker 1: my favorite types of technology of all time, lasers. Okay, 528 00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:52,040 Speaker 1: well before before we do that, since we were talking 529 00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:56,280 Speaker 1: about the taser shotgun shell a moment ago um. The 530 00:30:56,320 --> 00:31:01,800 Speaker 1: Department of Defense also has weapons that it uses in shotguns, UM, 531 00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:07,640 Speaker 1: such as stingball shells. Um. Wow. Sting sting balls are 532 00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:12,280 Speaker 1: essentially I mean, they're shot, but they're rubber, so it's 533 00:31:12,280 --> 00:31:16,080 Speaker 1: almost like the bean bag guns too. Um. This is 534 00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:18,000 Speaker 1: why I think that some people use less than lethal 535 00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:22,360 Speaker 1: because I imagine that a rubber pellet, well judging by 536 00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:25,840 Speaker 1: the effects of hockey pucks on unprotected hockey players when 537 00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:28,880 Speaker 1: they get hit with them or even protected ones, you know, 538 00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:31,560 Speaker 1: and that's a frozen piece of rubber. So you know, 539 00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:33,880 Speaker 1: I'm thinking that if it were coming at you fast enough, 540 00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:36,520 Speaker 1: it could do significant damage. But they used they use 541 00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:40,720 Speaker 1: sting balls in another and several other types of weapons 542 00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:44,960 Speaker 1: like the there's a stingball grenade that launches the little 543 00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:50,400 Speaker 1: rubber pellets and a modular crowd control munition which is 544 00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:53,360 Speaker 1: about the size of a Claymore mine and send six 545 00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:57,240 Speaker 1: hundred six hundred rubber balls out at high speed quote 546 00:31:57,320 --> 00:32:00,280 Speaker 1: unquote to suppress targets. And I'm pretty sure if an 547 00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:03,560 Speaker 1: explosion of six hundred little rubber balls we're happening right 548 00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:07,760 Speaker 1: next to me, then I would probably be suppressed. Yeah. Yeah, Well, 549 00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:09,840 Speaker 1: here's the thing is that when we talk about things 550 00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:15,719 Speaker 1: like these, these devices that shoot out uh projectiles at 551 00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:19,680 Speaker 1: high speeds, clearly there's already an added danger there because 552 00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:22,800 Speaker 1: you've got something that's causing the stuff to fly out 553 00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:25,800 Speaker 1: at those those velocities right right, So you have some 554 00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:29,720 Speaker 1: sort of propellant or explosive that is giving these things 555 00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:34,040 Speaker 1: the kinetic energy they need to suppress crowds. Clearly, I 556 00:32:34,040 --> 00:32:36,920 Speaker 1: would imagine if you are right there next to whatever 557 00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:39,640 Speaker 1: it is when it goes off, you could suffer a 558 00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:43,880 Speaker 1: really severe injury, if not, if not death. Well, you 559 00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:47,000 Speaker 1: know they used the flash band grenades. Uh, they use, 560 00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:50,480 Speaker 1: you know, these explosive devices to propel these out, and 561 00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:52,440 Speaker 1: if you're standing right next to it, if the uh 562 00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:55,160 Speaker 1: the charge is loud enough, I'm sure it could damage 563 00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:58,600 Speaker 1: you're hearing. I mean thinking back to uh Keith Moon's 564 00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:04,840 Speaker 1: famous appearance with the who um on the Smothers Brothers show. 565 00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:08,360 Speaker 1: Where he put a uh, basically just an off the 566 00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:14,280 Speaker 1: shelf UM explosive inside his bass drum. And yeah, and 567 00:33:14,280 --> 00:33:17,480 Speaker 1: and Pete Townsend's hearing is was damaged permanently by that. Yeah. 568 00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:21,760 Speaker 1: Townsend had some some some interesting things to say about that, 569 00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:27,040 Speaker 1: although not immediately after the explosion because he couldn't hear anything. Yeah. Um, 570 00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:29,880 Speaker 1: so so that's certainly an issue. I've played paintball too, 571 00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:34,200 Speaker 1: Have you ever played? Um? One of the first things 572 00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:36,640 Speaker 1: that I know, and those use the paintball guns use 573 00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:42,080 Speaker 1: compressed carbon dioxide capsules UM to fire the paintballs out. Now, 574 00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:46,560 Speaker 1: actually they use UM similar things in law enforcement. In 575 00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:51,000 Speaker 1: the military, they have capstas and capsules basically pepper spray 576 00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:54,040 Speaker 1: in paintball form if you will, UM, and they have 577 00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:56,880 Speaker 1: guns that that fire those. But UM, you know, I 578 00:33:56,960 --> 00:33:59,120 Speaker 1: was the first, very first game I played. I'd never 579 00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:02,360 Speaker 1: played before. If you're wearing goggles, okay, so if you 580 00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:04,800 Speaker 1: have a stingball grenade and you are in a crowd 581 00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:08,000 Speaker 1: and you don't have goggles on, then your eyes are 582 00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:10,799 Speaker 1: obviously in danger. But this is one of those things 583 00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:13,040 Speaker 1: where you you put the goggles on and you you're 584 00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:15,520 Speaker 1: ready to go and everybody's set up on your teams, 585 00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:17,359 Speaker 1: and they blow the whistle to start the paintball game, 586 00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:20,279 Speaker 1: and the paintball you start to hear the sounds of 587 00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:24,799 Speaker 1: the paintballs behind you and your several hundred feet away 588 00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:26,720 Speaker 1: from the people who are firing them, and you're starting 589 00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:28,920 Speaker 1: to go, you know what, this is gonna hurt when 590 00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:30,839 Speaker 1: I get shot, And as it turns out, it does. 591 00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:34,120 Speaker 1: So I mean these these weapons, I mean talking about 592 00:34:34,200 --> 00:34:37,680 Speaker 1: rubber balls and some of these other things that these projectiles, 593 00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:40,120 Speaker 1: even though they are designed to be non lethal, can 594 00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:43,600 Speaker 1: cause damage. Uh, you know if you if you get 595 00:34:43,640 --> 00:34:45,960 Speaker 1: hit with them in the right spot, I mean, you know, 596 00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:47,719 Speaker 1: it might be you might get one in the arm 597 00:34:48,080 --> 00:34:52,120 Speaker 1: from a thousand feet away. Go ow, Okay, so you 598 00:34:52,200 --> 00:34:54,279 Speaker 1: went out, But if you were standing right next to it, 599 00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:56,319 Speaker 1: it could cause a lot more damage. If you're near 600 00:34:56,360 --> 00:34:57,680 Speaker 1: it and you got it in the rib, you can 601 00:34:57,719 --> 00:35:00,719 Speaker 1: have a broken rib or at least a bruised rib. Well, 602 00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:04,960 Speaker 1: they cause wealth, those paintballs, I would imagine. So moving 603 00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:10,319 Speaker 1: on to lasers, one of the most basic forms of 604 00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:13,160 Speaker 1: using a laser as a non lethal weapon is you 605 00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:15,920 Speaker 1: don't you don't have a high powered laser use a 606 00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:20,080 Speaker 1: low powered laser to direct light at optics or sensors 607 00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:23,439 Speaker 1: or people's vision and you're just trying to blind them. Now, 608 00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:31,320 Speaker 1: these are called dazzlers or personal halting and stimulation response weapons. 609 00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:37,240 Speaker 1: Acronym is phaser. I know it's not mine. I didn't 610 00:35:37,239 --> 00:35:40,719 Speaker 1: make it up. Yeah. The Department of Defense has what 611 00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:44,960 Speaker 1: it calls the Green Laser Interdiction System. Yeah, that's exactly. Yeah, 612 00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:47,680 Speaker 1: that's another way of putting it. Yeah, and they mount 613 00:35:47,719 --> 00:35:52,560 Speaker 1: those on rifles to h to dazzle their opponents. Well, 614 00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:54,440 Speaker 1: I mean, you think about it. There have been stories 615 00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:56,880 Speaker 1: in the media about people who are using off the 616 00:35:56,880 --> 00:35:59,880 Speaker 1: shelf laser pointers and pointing them at aircraft to be 617 00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:03,799 Speaker 1: funny to blind the pilots. Yeah. The in this case, 618 00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:08,320 Speaker 1: which these these lasers are are, they're low powered in 619 00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:11,000 Speaker 1: the sense that they're not they're not powered high enough 620 00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:13,960 Speaker 1: to do physical damage against something. They're not going to 621 00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:16,799 Speaker 1: do any sort of vaporization or ablation or anything like that. 622 00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:20,680 Speaker 1: But they will they will cut straight through things like 623 00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:24,120 Speaker 1: fog and um and they are very very bright, and 624 00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:28,480 Speaker 1: they're bright enough to actually blind you temporarily if you 625 00:36:28,520 --> 00:36:31,239 Speaker 1: were to look into it. And it also again is 626 00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:36,960 Speaker 1: used to to confuse sensors and optics, so that let's 627 00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:39,400 Speaker 1: say that you've got a coordinated attack on a target. 628 00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:43,360 Speaker 1: This way you can, um, you can minimize their defenses 629 00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:48,760 Speaker 1: as much as you can when you're attack is approaching. Um. Actually, 630 00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:51,520 Speaker 1: if you think about it, you um, well, they also 631 00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:54,799 Speaker 1: have a device called ocular interruption, which is sort of 632 00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:58,239 Speaker 1: a broader effect. Um. You know, they could use it 633 00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:03,120 Speaker 1: to uh to worn and suppress uh people who are 634 00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:07,160 Speaker 1: you know, the enemy or the the opponents of the military, 635 00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:10,480 Speaker 1: law enforcement trying to stop people. But it uh, it's 636 00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:14,640 Speaker 1: a it's rather than shining a pinpoint type laser directly 637 00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:17,399 Speaker 1: at somebody, it's more of a very very bright light 638 00:37:17,560 --> 00:37:21,319 Speaker 1: distributed um. And you think about you get some smoke 639 00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:25,840 Speaker 1: grenades and uh some some lasers and very bright lights, 640 00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:29,759 Speaker 1: and you either have a very effective way to confuse 641 00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:34,359 Speaker 1: people or a rock concert, a Pink Floyd concert. Well, 642 00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:38,440 Speaker 1: and looking at pictures of this, it's very it's very 643 00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:40,440 Speaker 1: reminiscent of the kinds of effects that you would see 644 00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:42,600 Speaker 1: at a at a rock concert. All in all, there's 645 00:37:42,600 --> 00:37:45,480 Speaker 1: just another brick in the wall. Okay, So moving on 646 00:37:45,560 --> 00:37:48,320 Speaker 1: with more laser stuff. How have you heard about laser 647 00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:52,120 Speaker 1: induced plasma channels. No, I haven't l i PC. All right, 648 00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:55,160 Speaker 1: so this is kind of an interesting idea. So you 649 00:37:55,239 --> 00:38:00,000 Speaker 1: know what a plasma is. It's an ionized gas. Plasm, 650 00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:04,160 Speaker 1: no plasma, all right, let's just come on really in, 651 00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:07,439 Speaker 1: big guy. So plasma is an ionized gas, which means 652 00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:10,279 Speaker 1: that it has free electrons flowing through this gas. It 653 00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:14,520 Speaker 1: means that the gas itself can conduct electricity. So imagine 654 00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:18,400 Speaker 1: that you use a laser to create a channel of plasma. So, 655 00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:22,359 Speaker 1: in other words, you've got this area of of atmosphere 656 00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:24,960 Speaker 1: and then you create a channel of plasma within a 657 00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:28,800 Speaker 1: pretty narrow channel, and then you fire electricity down that channel. 658 00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:32,840 Speaker 1: It'll go across that channel as if it were a wire, 659 00:38:34,120 --> 00:38:38,919 Speaker 1: so you could beam electricity in a way. Now, these 660 00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:41,040 Speaker 1: things require a lot of power and they don't have 661 00:38:41,120 --> 00:38:43,759 Speaker 1: a lot of distance to them. So instead of being 662 00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:45,839 Speaker 1: used as a weapon where you would direct it at 663 00:38:46,040 --> 00:38:50,840 Speaker 1: an approaching enemy, you use it as a way of 664 00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:55,160 Speaker 1: barricading a hallway or a corridor. So you create these 665 00:38:55,239 --> 00:38:57,920 Speaker 1: lasers that go up and down, say a wall, so 666 00:38:58,040 --> 00:39:01,440 Speaker 1: they're they're aligned horizontally like you could do them vertically too, 667 00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:05,840 Speaker 1: if you wanted to but horizontally across um a hallway. 668 00:39:07,080 --> 00:39:10,359 Speaker 1: You shoot this laser across the hallway, which creates this 669 00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:14,080 Speaker 1: thin channel of plasma that spans the hallway. Then you 670 00:39:14,120 --> 00:39:16,879 Speaker 1: shoot electricity along that channel, and now you've got these 671 00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:21,640 Speaker 1: zapping beams of electricity spanning the hallway, which act as 672 00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:24,840 Speaker 1: a pretty strong deterrent against anyone who has trying to 673 00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:28,640 Speaker 1: make unauthorized access to that corridor. I don't know, I've 674 00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:30,560 Speaker 1: seen all those spy movies. All you have to do is, 675 00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:34,120 Speaker 1: you know, do cartwheels and stuff over the lasers. Electricity 676 00:39:34,120 --> 00:39:36,880 Speaker 1: works a little differently than lasers do. But yeah, go 677 00:39:36,920 --> 00:39:40,960 Speaker 1: ahead and give that a shot. Um. Yeah, Actually that's reminiscent, 678 00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:44,360 Speaker 1: you know, jokes aside, that's reminiscent of the Plasma Cutter 679 00:39:44,719 --> 00:39:47,200 Speaker 1: podcast that we did sometime ago. Yeah, it's not not 680 00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:51,480 Speaker 1: entirely different. Now most of the effects and this is 681 00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:55,560 Speaker 1: intended again to be a non lethal a way of 682 00:39:55,560 --> 00:40:01,040 Speaker 1: of stopping people from accessing uh hallways and court ours. Uh, 683 00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:05,400 Speaker 1: it's it's not you know, it's not the most efficient 684 00:40:05,640 --> 00:40:08,759 Speaker 1: means of trying to keep people out because it does 685 00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:11,920 Speaker 1: require quite a bit of power to operate. Um. And 686 00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:15,960 Speaker 1: then I have the pulsed energy projectile or p e P. 687 00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:21,000 Speaker 1: Now this is one of the versions of the pain ray, 688 00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:24,759 Speaker 1: and in fact, we were specifically asked about the pain 689 00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:28,600 Speaker 1: right now, it's a shame about ray. This reminds me 690 00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:30,160 Speaker 1: of that time you tried to draw a hole in 691 00:40:30,200 --> 00:40:34,520 Speaker 1: your head. Uh. The actually was egne the But this, 692 00:40:34,520 --> 00:40:38,440 Speaker 1: this particular weapon is different from the other one we'll 693 00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:41,120 Speaker 1: talk about, which uses microwaves. We move onto that in 694 00:40:41,160 --> 00:40:43,800 Speaker 1: a little bit. This one uses a laser and again 695 00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:47,400 Speaker 1: creates plasma. We have a bit more to say about 696 00:40:47,480 --> 00:40:50,640 Speaker 1: non lethal weapons, but Chris and I will have to 697 00:40:50,680 --> 00:41:02,680 Speaker 1: do that after we take this quick break. So the 698 00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:07,160 Speaker 1: pulsed energy projectile what it does. It uses a deuterium 699 00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:11,840 Speaker 1: fluoride laser that emits a very high powered invisible laser. 700 00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:15,600 Speaker 1: It's in the infrared spectrum that when it hits something, 701 00:41:16,239 --> 00:41:20,880 Speaker 1: it essentially starts to vaporize what it hits, just on 702 00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:23,840 Speaker 1: the very surface level. So if it hit you, it 703 00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:29,000 Speaker 1: would start to vaporize you, but not like disintegrating. It 704 00:41:29,040 --> 00:41:30,920 Speaker 1: would just be on the very surface, so like the 705 00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:33,560 Speaker 1: top level of skin or whatever. But then it creates 706 00:41:33,600 --> 00:41:39,080 Speaker 1: an exploding plasma. The electrons that the gas will give 707 00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:43,560 Speaker 1: off start to get even more energized as this laser pulses, 708 00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:48,160 Speaker 1: and that energy creates this exploding plasma and that in 709 00:41:48,200 --> 00:41:51,080 Speaker 1: turn will stun a target and it gives off this 710 00:41:51,160 --> 00:41:55,279 Speaker 1: electromagnetic radiation that activates your nerve cells, which can give 711 00:41:55,360 --> 00:41:58,160 Speaker 1: you the sense of pain. And that pain could be 712 00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:02,160 Speaker 1: in many different forms. It could be depending upon the 713 00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:04,680 Speaker 1: the pulse. It could be a stabbing pain, it could 714 00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:08,839 Speaker 1: feel like burning, it could feel like ice um. And 715 00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:14,439 Speaker 1: then there's also a lethal version of this technology called 716 00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:20,240 Speaker 1: the pulse impulsive kill laser, which has the best acronym 717 00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:25,080 Speaker 1: of all time pickle m p I k L so 718 00:42:25,320 --> 00:42:28,760 Speaker 1: deadly pickle. So when you fire, fire that you oppressed 719 00:42:28,760 --> 00:42:31,960 Speaker 1: the pickle switch. That's right, Yes, give him the pickle. 720 00:42:32,680 --> 00:42:36,920 Speaker 1: So this was developed by a company called Mission Research Corporation, 721 00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:40,560 Speaker 1: which is now part of Alliance Tech Systems. And there's 722 00:42:40,600 --> 00:42:43,960 Speaker 1: some downsides to this weapon. Uh. One of the biggest 723 00:42:44,080 --> 00:42:47,560 Speaker 1: is that it's huge. This is an enormous weapon that 724 00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:51,600 Speaker 1: requires essentially a vehicle to move it around, so it's 725 00:42:51,680 --> 00:42:54,120 Speaker 1: a mounted weapon at the time and right now, and 726 00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:57,640 Speaker 1: weighs around like five pounds, So it's not something that 727 00:42:57,719 --> 00:43:02,480 Speaker 1: could be deployed in a uh like for your average 728 00:43:03,040 --> 00:43:06,640 Speaker 1: infantry soldier. You know that there's just there's no way 729 00:43:06,680 --> 00:43:13,759 Speaker 1: of of miniaturizing it down at the moment, so it's effective. Uh, 730 00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:17,320 Speaker 1: and it is supposed to again supposed to be non lethal. 731 00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:21,640 Speaker 1: It essentially stuns the target and makes them hurt, but 732 00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:25,640 Speaker 1: it doesn't kill them or or specifically actually injure them. 733 00:43:25,640 --> 00:43:28,759 Speaker 1: It's just again activating their their nerve endings, so there's 734 00:43:28,760 --> 00:43:31,640 Speaker 1: no physical damage going on. It's just stimulating those nerve 735 00:43:31,719 --> 00:43:35,920 Speaker 1: endings to create pain, which in a way is like 736 00:43:36,040 --> 00:43:40,560 Speaker 1: absolutely terrifying, right, you know, it's there's no physical damage 737 00:43:40,600 --> 00:43:46,080 Speaker 1: being done, but still really scary. Uh. But not widely deployed, 738 00:43:46,600 --> 00:43:50,600 Speaker 1: right right. Yeah, the the they've been talking about these 739 00:43:50,600 --> 00:43:54,000 Speaker 1: weapons for quite some time, years and years at this point, 740 00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:57,960 Speaker 1: and uh, the the one that we really should talk 741 00:43:58,000 --> 00:44:01,560 Speaker 1: about has uh well its own set of drawbacks, but 742 00:44:01,600 --> 00:44:08,200 Speaker 1: it does use microwaves. Um and uh let's see where 743 00:44:08,200 --> 00:44:10,759 Speaker 1: where to begin. Well, I guess we can call it 744 00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:13,400 Speaker 1: the the There are two different versions of it that 745 00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:16,239 Speaker 1: I read about, the active denial system. Yeah, that's the 746 00:44:16,239 --> 00:44:18,959 Speaker 1: one I've read about MEDS. Well, there's also one called 747 00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:22,240 Speaker 1: the silent Guardian, which is kind of a little brother 748 00:44:22,560 --> 00:44:25,000 Speaker 1: to a d S. So a d S has a 749 00:44:25,120 --> 00:44:28,319 Speaker 1: range of around five and silent Guardian has a range 750 00:44:28,320 --> 00:44:32,279 Speaker 1: of around two. So, but they both work on the 751 00:44:32,320 --> 00:44:37,479 Speaker 1: same principle. They both use microwaves to create a pain 752 00:44:37,640 --> 00:44:43,120 Speaker 1: ray and it gives you the sensation of burning when 753 00:44:43,120 --> 00:44:46,840 Speaker 1: you're hit by it. You feel like you are are 754 00:44:46,880 --> 00:44:50,799 Speaker 1: like your skin is being subjected to incredibly high temperatures. 755 00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:54,760 Speaker 1: I watched a CBS report on this, and the reporter 756 00:44:55,719 --> 00:45:00,279 Speaker 1: actually withstood several blasts of this and explain what it like. 757 00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:02,239 Speaker 1: He said that it felt like scalding water was being 758 00:45:02,239 --> 00:45:05,200 Speaker 1: poured over his entire body, and he was wearing you know, 759 00:45:05,600 --> 00:45:07,600 Speaker 1: it was actually a cool day. He was wearing a 760 00:45:07,640 --> 00:45:10,360 Speaker 1: pretty heavy jacket. And he says that the microwaves just 761 00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:13,480 Speaker 1: penetrate straight through the clothing, so the clothing offered no 762 00:45:13,560 --> 00:45:16,520 Speaker 1: protection whatsoever. It didn't matter if his skin where was 763 00:45:16,600 --> 00:45:20,560 Speaker 1: exposed or not. Uh. He then held up a piece 764 00:45:20,560 --> 00:45:22,560 Speaker 1: of plywood to use as a shield, and he said 765 00:45:22,600 --> 00:45:25,359 Speaker 1: the problem was that using that still kept a lot 766 00:45:25,360 --> 00:45:29,040 Speaker 1: of his body unprotected, and um, just hitting his feet 767 00:45:29,080 --> 00:45:33,400 Speaker 1: and his hands was enough to make him dodge all 768 00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:37,080 Speaker 1: the way of the the the pain ray. Now he 769 00:45:37,160 --> 00:45:39,600 Speaker 1: used a mattress which helped a little bit. Beca said, 770 00:45:39,600 --> 00:45:41,440 Speaker 1: even then he could only get so far before it 771 00:45:41,480 --> 00:45:45,640 Speaker 1: got so painful that he couldn't stand it anymore. And uh, 772 00:45:45,719 --> 00:45:50,080 Speaker 1: and this is, you know, again, a pretty scary technology. 773 00:45:50,080 --> 00:45:54,160 Speaker 1: It uses a microwave around ninety giga hurts of frequency 774 00:45:54,360 --> 00:45:58,600 Speaker 1: and at that frequency. Uh, the the penetration of the 775 00:45:58,640 --> 00:46:02,200 Speaker 1: microwave is only about one sixty four of an inch, 776 00:46:02,440 --> 00:46:05,919 Speaker 1: so it's designed so it will not cook you from 777 00:46:05,960 --> 00:46:08,880 Speaker 1: the inside out. Yeah, microwave oven goes much deeper than that. 778 00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:12,759 Speaker 1: It can go several centimeters into whatever it is that 779 00:46:12,880 --> 00:46:17,680 Speaker 1: it is being exposed to it. Um and this, uh, 780 00:46:17,760 --> 00:46:22,280 Speaker 1: this device is is really um. I read that. Um. 781 00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:26,080 Speaker 1: They had the military had invited several people to uh, 782 00:46:26,320 --> 00:46:31,400 Speaker 1: the Marine Corps Basic Quantico, Virginia to experience this because 783 00:46:31,440 --> 00:46:33,359 Speaker 1: basically they've been trying to drum up support for this. 784 00:46:33,360 --> 00:46:36,640 Speaker 1: This device has been around for literally like fifteen twenty 785 00:46:36,719 --> 00:46:39,759 Speaker 1: years now. Um. And then again, this is one of 786 00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:43,080 Speaker 1: the devices that has been pursued very actively by the 787 00:46:43,080 --> 00:46:45,600 Speaker 1: military and an attempt to come up with something that 788 00:46:45,719 --> 00:46:47,600 Speaker 1: is less than lethal in a way to discourage people 789 00:46:47,600 --> 00:46:50,200 Speaker 1: and yes it does work. UM. The reason they're having 790 00:46:50,200 --> 00:46:53,960 Speaker 1: to drum up support for it UH is, for one thing, 791 00:46:54,000 --> 00:46:58,239 Speaker 1: it's known that it uses microwaves. UM. They deployed the 792 00:46:58,280 --> 00:47:03,120 Speaker 1: military deployed several of these UH pain raise to UM 793 00:47:03,239 --> 00:47:05,920 Speaker 1: the Middle East to use in theaters over there in 794 00:47:05,960 --> 00:47:08,919 Speaker 1: the last few years, and they never really used them 795 00:47:09,880 --> 00:47:13,120 Speaker 1: because they were afraid that people would start talking about 796 00:47:13,120 --> 00:47:17,160 Speaker 1: how the military we're using microwaves UH, and they you know, oh, 797 00:47:17,200 --> 00:47:19,160 Speaker 1: well you're going to cook us or you're going to 798 00:47:19,200 --> 00:47:25,400 Speaker 1: make a sterile. Yeah, you're going to irradiate us. You're publicity, 799 00:47:25,560 --> 00:47:27,960 Speaker 1: which is if you're trying to say, look, you know, 800 00:47:28,320 --> 00:47:31,839 Speaker 1: we don't want UH fighting to escalate. We just want 801 00:47:31,880 --> 00:47:36,800 Speaker 1: to break this argument up and stop this particular incident 802 00:47:36,920 --> 00:47:39,319 Speaker 1: right here. It's it's funny because a lot of this 803 00:47:39,440 --> 00:47:43,920 Speaker 1: is based on ignorance of how microwaves work, because microwaves 804 00:47:43,960 --> 00:47:47,799 Speaker 1: are a form of non ionizing radiation, right, But a 805 00:47:47,800 --> 00:47:50,320 Speaker 1: lot of people don't they understand that. They think of 806 00:47:50,360 --> 00:47:52,560 Speaker 1: it in terms of the microwave oven. We know that 807 00:47:52,560 --> 00:47:56,640 Speaker 1: that can be used to irradiate and cook. And people 808 00:47:56,680 --> 00:48:00,759 Speaker 1: think this this pain ray if it were left on 809 00:48:00,840 --> 00:48:03,360 Speaker 1: someone and they were unable to move. It would cause burns. 810 00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:07,080 Speaker 1: You know, people have been put in the hospital. Yeah, 811 00:48:07,120 --> 00:48:09,560 Speaker 1: you would, You could, you could suffer actual burns to 812 00:48:09,600 --> 00:48:12,960 Speaker 1: your skin. Now you're not going to have the if 813 00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:15,080 Speaker 1: you were sitting there long enough, those burns would start 814 00:48:15,120 --> 00:48:19,440 Speaker 1: to burn through you. But the you wouldn't immediately suffer 815 00:48:19,760 --> 00:48:23,160 Speaker 1: like deep burns. You would have skin burns, which aren't 816 00:48:23,239 --> 00:48:27,080 Speaker 1: that's no joy either. But it heats your skin up 817 00:48:27,120 --> 00:48:30,640 Speaker 1: to about degrees fahrenheit, which is about fifty four degrees celsius. 818 00:48:31,640 --> 00:48:36,120 Speaker 1: And uh, at that temperature, you're not it's it's it's 819 00:48:36,200 --> 00:48:37,680 Speaker 1: enough for it to be painful, so you want to 820 00:48:37,680 --> 00:48:39,960 Speaker 1: get out of the way. It's not supposed to be 821 00:48:40,040 --> 00:48:43,160 Speaker 1: so hot that it's going to immediately cause blisters to 822 00:48:43,200 --> 00:48:46,840 Speaker 1: form and that kind of thing. Um, but you know 823 00:48:47,040 --> 00:48:50,200 Speaker 1: that's it. Definitely, there are there's a perception that since 824 00:48:50,200 --> 00:48:54,719 Speaker 1: it uses microwaves, it is more even I want to 825 00:48:54,719 --> 00:48:57,840 Speaker 1: say more sinister, but really, when you're talking about inflicting pain, 826 00:48:58,040 --> 00:49:01,520 Speaker 1: that's pretty sinister already, or at least it can be. 827 00:49:01,760 --> 00:49:04,440 Speaker 1: Can that's what it can be perceived as. But it's 828 00:49:04,480 --> 00:49:08,600 Speaker 1: not as as it doesn't cause injury the way you 829 00:49:08,600 --> 00:49:12,280 Speaker 1: would immediately assume once you hear a microwave, right right, Um, 830 00:49:12,320 --> 00:49:15,919 Speaker 1: there's another problem with it too, what's up. It takes 831 00:49:15,960 --> 00:49:18,640 Speaker 1: a lot of energy and it takes a long time 832 00:49:18,840 --> 00:49:22,640 Speaker 1: to turn on, So you can't say there's a demon 833 00:49:22,880 --> 00:49:25,520 Speaker 1: demonstration that has gone out of hand. There are people 834 00:49:25,520 --> 00:49:27,759 Speaker 1: throwing stuff, there are people looting, and you want to 835 00:49:27,800 --> 00:49:29,800 Speaker 1: stop them. You don't drive up in the truck with 836 00:49:29,840 --> 00:49:31,799 Speaker 1: the pain rain mounted on it. Um the ones that 837 00:49:31,880 --> 00:49:34,840 Speaker 1: the pictures I've seen show a humvy well, a giant 838 00:49:34,840 --> 00:49:38,239 Speaker 1: it looks like a giant satellite dish sort of thing 839 00:49:38,280 --> 00:49:40,440 Speaker 1: on the top of the big antenna. The P E 840 00:49:40,600 --> 00:49:44,440 Speaker 1: P is essentially a very similar form factor. Yeah, and 841 00:49:44,760 --> 00:49:47,240 Speaker 1: you don't you don't, you know, drive up in the 842 00:49:47,239 --> 00:49:50,759 Speaker 1: pain rainmobile and flip the switch and cause everybody to 843 00:49:50,800 --> 00:49:54,239 Speaker 1: stop burning and looting. It takes a long time to 844 00:49:54,280 --> 00:49:57,480 Speaker 1: power up. I've seen hours listed as the time it 845 00:49:57,480 --> 00:49:59,880 Speaker 1: takes to power First, you have to have a comedian come, 846 00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:03,600 Speaker 1: I'll warm up the crowd. Hey, so that wants things 847 00:50:03,600 --> 00:50:05,600 Speaker 1: really get cooking. That's when you turn on the microwave. 848 00:50:07,400 --> 00:50:10,880 Speaker 1: I see you're all looting. Hey, I like to say 849 00:50:11,840 --> 00:50:15,799 Speaker 1: some shoes, you know. Whenever you're looting and there's just 850 00:50:16,000 --> 00:50:18,440 Speaker 1: nothing to pick up and throw through the window of 851 00:50:18,440 --> 00:50:22,719 Speaker 1: that department store. Doesn't that just make you crazy? Say 852 00:50:22,880 --> 00:50:25,359 Speaker 1: you got a size ten can key Stonora over there, 853 00:50:26,080 --> 00:50:30,680 Speaker 1: run they run tight? So so um, yeah, this is 854 00:50:30,719 --> 00:50:32,680 Speaker 1: that that's also a problem with it. It's not something 855 00:50:32,719 --> 00:50:35,880 Speaker 1: that it has to be in place and on um 856 00:50:36,040 --> 00:50:38,520 Speaker 1: and in the case of having it vehicle mounted, that 857 00:50:38,560 --> 00:50:40,879 Speaker 1: means you have to be running the engine to keep 858 00:50:40,920 --> 00:50:43,920 Speaker 1: the power on or you know, a lot of battery usage, 859 00:50:43,920 --> 00:50:47,040 Speaker 1: and that's uh in an arrow when fuel is a 860 00:50:47,040 --> 00:50:50,920 Speaker 1: lot more dear and cost um. That is a downside 861 00:50:50,960 --> 00:50:54,919 Speaker 1: that that's hard to ignore. So um, this very sophisticated 862 00:50:55,520 --> 00:51:01,320 Speaker 1: non lethal weapon may just end up shelved because it uh, 863 00:51:01,360 --> 00:51:04,439 Speaker 1: you know, it's just yeah, Now, did you have any 864 00:51:04,480 --> 00:51:06,520 Speaker 1: others you wanted to talk about, because I'm done, But 865 00:51:06,600 --> 00:51:08,839 Speaker 1: you said you had a few futuristic ones that you want. 866 00:51:09,520 --> 00:51:11,120 Speaker 1: There was one. I know, we're running a little along, 867 00:51:11,239 --> 00:51:13,800 Speaker 1: so I just wanted to mention the one. I actually 868 00:51:13,800 --> 00:51:15,799 Speaker 1: saw a thing and wired about this and in the 869 00:51:15,840 --> 00:51:18,279 Speaker 1: magazine a few years ago, which is when when you 870 00:51:18,280 --> 00:51:19,960 Speaker 1: mentioned this, I thought, oh, that would be fun. I 871 00:51:20,000 --> 00:51:23,040 Speaker 1: still can't find where I put that, But there was 872 00:51:23,080 --> 00:51:24,800 Speaker 1: one that I read about then that I just I 873 00:51:24,840 --> 00:51:27,400 Speaker 1: found a little bit on and they've still they've pursued it, 874 00:51:27,440 --> 00:51:29,359 Speaker 1: but it seems like it's still sort of fallen by 875 00:51:29,360 --> 00:51:33,080 Speaker 1: the wayside. And that would be the goog gun um 876 00:51:33,160 --> 00:51:36,120 Speaker 1: and uh. It's been called different things, but what it's 877 00:51:36,120 --> 00:51:39,959 Speaker 1: designed to do, it's sort of like the the polymer ice, 878 00:51:40,400 --> 00:51:45,720 Speaker 1: except it's designed to immobilize a target by shooting gooey 879 00:51:45,840 --> 00:51:49,480 Speaker 1: silly string like stuff at them, uh and wired. And 880 00:51:49,480 --> 00:51:52,360 Speaker 1: I remember it saying that it used some kind of 881 00:51:53,239 --> 00:51:56,520 Speaker 1: bone derivative to to use this, and it's supposed to 882 00:51:56,719 --> 00:51:59,239 Speaker 1: harden up when you get sprayed with it. I see, 883 00:51:59,280 --> 00:52:02,040 Speaker 1: So it's a foam that that then solidifies. Yeah, and 884 00:52:02,360 --> 00:52:04,640 Speaker 1: I think, um, I think now what they've been using 885 00:52:04,719 --> 00:52:09,160 Speaker 1: is more of a synthetic polymer type uh material. I've 886 00:52:09,200 --> 00:52:12,560 Speaker 1: I've seen pictures of it. Um. It looks almost like 887 00:52:12,640 --> 00:52:16,080 Speaker 1: the pink slime that people have been talking about about 888 00:52:16,719 --> 00:52:20,280 Speaker 1: meat processing lately. It's a sort of a gooey pink 889 00:52:20,760 --> 00:52:24,640 Speaker 1: uh tube like stuff. The problem is it doesn't harden 890 00:52:24,880 --> 00:52:29,839 Speaker 1: quickly enough to stop someone who's running, so you end 891 00:52:29,880 --> 00:52:33,000 Speaker 1: up gooey, but you don't end up hardening up like 892 00:52:33,040 --> 00:52:36,279 Speaker 1: a cartoon character after they've been coated in cement, which 893 00:52:36,280 --> 00:52:38,440 Speaker 1: is to say, you know, within about half of a second. 894 00:52:39,080 --> 00:52:41,840 Speaker 1: You know, every time somebody gets poured on concrete on 895 00:52:41,880 --> 00:52:44,840 Speaker 1: him in the cartoons, you know, and instantly hard you know, 896 00:52:45,120 --> 00:52:48,880 Speaker 1: it doesn't do that. Um, So that's kind of disappeared 897 00:52:49,880 --> 00:52:54,160 Speaker 1: from that um, from that usage. But I have seen 898 00:52:54,160 --> 00:52:57,400 Speaker 1: that people are using net guns, and they've been using 899 00:52:57,480 --> 00:52:59,799 Speaker 1: some kind of sticky material on the net so that 900 00:52:59,800 --> 00:53:02,400 Speaker 1: the net sticks to you. And that seems like it 901 00:53:02,480 --> 00:53:05,799 Speaker 1: might be promising, because if you shoot somebody with the net, 902 00:53:06,719 --> 00:53:10,360 Speaker 1: um then uh, you know, and it has that sticky 903 00:53:10,360 --> 00:53:12,520 Speaker 1: stuff and you can't think of it as like fly paper. 904 00:53:12,960 --> 00:53:14,680 Speaker 1: All of a sudden you're tangled up in this net. 905 00:53:14,719 --> 00:53:17,799 Speaker 1: You can't run anymore. Um. It seems like that would 906 00:53:17,800 --> 00:53:19,640 Speaker 1: be hard to load. You know, it would be more 907 00:53:19,680 --> 00:53:22,680 Speaker 1: effective against a very small number of people. If you're 908 00:53:22,800 --> 00:53:24,640 Speaker 1: dealing with a horde of zombies. I don't think you're 909 00:53:25,000 --> 00:53:27,640 Speaker 1: If you're by yourself, you're pretty much stuck. Yeah. Well, 910 00:53:27,680 --> 00:53:29,759 Speaker 1: I got five of them, but three hundred more are 911 00:53:29,840 --> 00:53:32,000 Speaker 1: coming at me. I think I'm in trouble close up 912 00:53:32,000 --> 00:53:34,320 Speaker 1: them all. Well, I found the I found the article 913 00:53:34,360 --> 00:53:36,040 Speaker 1: I think that you were talking about on Wired. It's 914 00:53:36,120 --> 00:53:39,640 Speaker 1: called Army reloads on Sticky Foam Weaponry. Yeah, that that 915 00:53:39,719 --> 00:53:42,160 Speaker 1: is one of the newer articles they This was one 916 00:53:42,160 --> 00:53:43,920 Speaker 1: of those. It was a feature on a series of 917 00:53:43,960 --> 00:53:45,719 Speaker 1: things and it had the pain ray. It was it 918 00:53:45,840 --> 00:53:49,040 Speaker 1: was literally like a series of a couple of paragraphs 919 00:53:49,040 --> 00:53:52,520 Speaker 1: each um in the print magazine. Yes, that is. That 920 00:53:52,600 --> 00:53:55,239 Speaker 1: is when I consulted now, and it's the picture of 921 00:53:55,280 --> 00:53:57,880 Speaker 1: the guy covered in foam. It looks like he's been 922 00:53:57,920 --> 00:54:03,480 Speaker 1: attacked by a bunch of octope. Yes string, it's probably 923 00:54:03,480 --> 00:54:07,799 Speaker 1: a few centimeters in diameter to spray. It's it's not 924 00:54:07,840 --> 00:54:13,480 Speaker 1: an attractive look. And that wraps up another classic episode 925 00:54:13,520 --> 00:54:15,880 Speaker 1: of tech stuff. I hope you guys enjoyed it and 926 00:54:15,960 --> 00:54:19,200 Speaker 1: learned something. We have more non lethal weapons that have 927 00:54:19,239 --> 00:54:22,799 Speaker 1: been introduced since this podcast was recorded. 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