WEBVTT - Civic Cipher 100921 Ramses Ja & Q Ward 0:00:00.920 --> 0:00:03.600 Welcome to another episode of Civic Cipher. I am your host, Rams. 0:00:03.600 --> 0:00:04.040 This is Jack. 0:00:04.519 --> 0:00:07.440 They call me q Ward most of the time, except 0:00:07.480 --> 0:00:09.880 some people call me Quentin, and then some people call 0:00:09.920 --> 0:00:12.039 me Quentin, but my name is Quinton, so then I 0:00:12.240 --> 0:00:16.400 just prefer q Oh if that makes sense to everybody. 0:00:15.960 --> 0:00:17.920 And Q war that works around here. I'm not mad 0:00:17.960 --> 0:00:24.040 at it. And we are back again to discuss some 0:00:24.200 --> 0:00:27.520 very important goings on through the lens of black and 0:00:27.560 --> 0:00:29.920 brown folks in this country. That's what we do here 0:00:29.920 --> 0:00:32.440 on Civic Cipher, So be sure to stick around because 0:00:32.440 --> 0:00:34.440 we got a lot in store for you, not the 0:00:34.520 --> 0:00:38.599 least of which is an opportunity for us to stand 0:00:39.200 --> 0:00:45.680 in solidarity with our that's the word I want to use, 0:00:48.040 --> 0:00:53.040 disabled perhaps brothers, these sisters. Also, we're going to be 0:00:53.280 --> 0:00:57.960 uh talking a bit about children and how they develop 0:00:58.040 --> 0:01:01.200 their views on race and what can be done about 0:01:01.200 --> 0:01:04.640 that and where critical race theory fits into that narrative. 0:01:04.640 --> 0:01:07.200 We're also going to talk about a couple of other things, 0:01:07.360 --> 0:01:11.520 not the least of which is an interesting Baba segment 0:01:11.560 --> 0:01:15.000 that has become a better ally with some great advice 0:01:15.120 --> 0:01:21.840 on how you can stand in support of your brothers 0:01:21.880 --> 0:01:26.080 and sisters as they interact with the police, and a 0:01:26.120 --> 0:01:28.679 lot more besides that. So it's funny to stick around 0:01:28.680 --> 0:01:34.160 for today's show. And first we want to start off 0:01:34.160 --> 0:01:38.760 with something that we like to call ebony excellence exactly 0:01:38.959 --> 0:01:43.400 with you, kar Yes, sir, yes, So I'll jump in here. 0:01:43.680 --> 0:01:47.800 All I do is win no matter what. For those 0:01:47.800 --> 0:01:52.280 who don't know, there is a NASCAR driver by the 0:01:52.360 --> 0:01:59.240 name of Bubba Wallace and Bubba is half black, half white. 0:02:00.240 --> 0:02:04.160 Here we call that black, and he's actually really good. 0:02:04.560 --> 0:02:07.840 He's from a team that is owned by Michael Jordan, 0:02:08.360 --> 0:02:11.519 so Jordan is one of the early investors. And recently 0:02:11.600 --> 0:02:19.360 he became the second black person to win the Cup 0:02:19.440 --> 0:02:24.280 Series since nineteen sixty three. That's NASCAR's like Premier race 0:02:25.919 --> 0:02:28.400 and the first person was Hall of Fame driver Wendell Scott. 0:02:30.560 --> 0:02:35.120 But again making history, you know, moving you know, things forward, 0:02:35.160 --> 0:02:41.440 and of course we know NASCAR is really primarily you know, 0:02:41.720 --> 0:02:44.960 there are Caucasian people that you know, race and NASCAR, 0:02:45.160 --> 0:02:47.640 and so for Bubblah, while it's not only to be 0:02:47.760 --> 0:02:51.679 able to participate, get a lot of support it. I 0:02:51.720 --> 0:02:53.720 don't know if you remember Q, but might have been. 0:02:53.840 --> 0:02:57.320 Last year we did a story about someone finding a 0:02:57.360 --> 0:02:59.720 noose in his garage, which turned out to just be 0:03:01.120 --> 0:03:03.600 something that was left over from the year prior. So 0:03:03.639 --> 0:03:06.880 it wasn't what they thought it was, thank god. But 0:03:07.960 --> 0:03:10.320 hold on second, So. 0:03:10.280 --> 0:03:13.320 The way that that was reported, people tried to make 0:03:13.360 --> 0:03:15.640 it seem as if he was mistaken. He was not. 0:03:16.200 --> 0:03:20.160 It was a noose, definitely. It's very very important to 0:03:20.200 --> 0:03:22.440 point that. Part of that part is want to say that, 0:03:22.639 --> 0:03:24.320 you know, maybe it wasn't for him or all these 0:03:24.320 --> 0:03:27.400 other things. It was a noose. It was definitely that. 0:03:27.480 --> 0:03:30.080 It's not like it's the only way you can tie 0:03:30.080 --> 0:03:33.520 a rope to pull a garage down. So I don't 0:03:33.520 --> 0:03:38.160 want to completely pretend like that had nothing to do 0:03:38.240 --> 0:03:39.320 with him like they did. 0:03:39.800 --> 0:03:42.880 No. No, you're absolutely right. But you know, in terms 0:03:42.880 --> 0:03:47.440 of Ebony excellence, he's persevered, He's been well supported by 0:03:48.080 --> 0:03:53.760 the other NASCAR drivers, and you know, now he's the champion. 0:03:53.920 --> 0:03:57.160 So kudos to Bubba Wallace. 0:03:57.880 --> 0:04:00.080 And Rams is just to point out not just the 0:04:00.120 --> 0:04:03.760 second since nineteen sixty three, but the second ever ever, right, 0:04:03.800 --> 0:04:06.480 so windows Scott was the first ever and he didn't 0:04:06.480 --> 0:04:08.440 even get his I think his family didn't even get 0:04:08.480 --> 0:04:12.240 his trophy until posthumously. Like I think after he passed 0:04:12.240 --> 0:04:16.880 away they finally got the trophy to his family because 0:04:16.880 --> 0:04:22.080 it was some type of I know, they didn't let 0:04:22.160 --> 0:04:25.080 him Yeah, they didn't let him win that easily. Yeah, 0:04:25.120 --> 0:04:28.520 I think they even made him drive a couple extra laps, 0:04:29.040 --> 0:04:31.240 like let's just make sure he won, like some type 0:04:31.279 --> 0:04:34.640 of controversy. So, you know, shouts out to Bubble Wallace 0:04:34.680 --> 0:04:35.960 and shout out to the people who are trying to 0:04:35.960 --> 0:04:40.600 discount the way that he won. NASCAR drivers win racists 0:04:40.600 --> 0:04:43.520 that aren't finished due to weather all the time, so 0:04:43.560 --> 0:04:45.200 now that he's done it, they want to try to 0:04:45.240 --> 0:04:48.040 discount it. So shouts to Bubble wirelace Man. 0:04:48.160 --> 0:04:50.359 Yeah, we're going to be the ones to say shout 0:04:50.360 --> 0:04:53.200 out to Bubble Wilace if no one else. So hats off. 0:04:55.040 --> 0:05:03.560 And now more into real news. Now here's something that 0:05:04.880 --> 0:05:09.520 I have to remind all of our listeners of, and 0:05:09.560 --> 0:05:14.000 that's that there is a tremendous amount of news stories 0:05:14.040 --> 0:05:17.839 that we have to go through every week, and we 0:05:17.960 --> 0:05:20.800 have to whittle it down into things that we feel 0:05:20.920 --> 0:05:28.920 are important and you know, help us have the conversations 0:05:28.920 --> 0:05:32.600 that I think will lead to us having stronger relationships 0:05:32.680 --> 0:05:35.080 with each other as brothers and sisters in this country. 0:05:36.800 --> 0:05:40.440 With that said, we leave so much. There's so many 0:05:40.480 --> 0:05:43.400 stories that I really, really absolutely feel like I need 0:05:43.400 --> 0:05:45.680 to tell. There's so many things that I need to 0:05:45.680 --> 0:05:50.000 give perspective to, and you know, we need to understand 0:05:50.000 --> 0:05:53.800 it together. We need to have our therapy together, whatever 0:05:53.839 --> 0:05:58.839 it is, and because of the way time works, we're 0:05:58.880 --> 0:06:02.720 just not able to do that. And this week's topics, 0:06:03.839 --> 0:06:07.039 you know, they were very difficult to choose, but you know, 0:06:07.080 --> 0:06:09.599 I recognize that this week and next week we are 0:06:09.680 --> 0:06:12.760 going to want to stand as much in solidarity with 0:06:14.560 --> 0:06:17.440 brothers and sisters who don't necessarily look like us or 0:06:17.480 --> 0:06:20.000 have the same walk as us, but certainly have the 0:06:20.040 --> 0:06:23.000 same challenges. And it's about we're about due to share 0:06:23.000 --> 0:06:26.000 the space again. And so this is one such story. 0:06:28.279 --> 0:06:30.120 So this comes from Vice. You know a lot of 0:06:30.120 --> 0:06:31.880 this I took directly from Vice. But this will help 0:06:31.880 --> 0:06:35.240 me paint the picture for you when Brady missed it. 0:06:35.400 --> 0:06:38.040 A deaf man living in Idaho Springs, Colorado, was pulled 0:06:38.080 --> 0:06:41.039 over by local police one night in twenty nineteen. He 0:06:41.120 --> 0:06:44.160 tried to signal that he couldn't hear officers commands, but 0:06:44.200 --> 0:06:47.919 the cops on the scene allegedly misinterpreted his sign language 0:06:47.920 --> 0:06:51.800 as disrespect, paised him multiple times, and slammed him to 0:06:51.880 --> 0:06:55.800 the ground. Ultimately, Mystic spent four months in jail, where 0:06:55.800 --> 0:06:59.279 he was allegedly denied an interpreter, before all charges against 0:06:59.320 --> 0:07:03.800 him were dropped two years after the September twenty nineteen encounter. 0:07:03.920 --> 0:07:06.159 Mystic is now suing the two officers from the Idaho 0:07:06.200 --> 0:07:09.520 Springs Police Department, the city, and the County Board of 0:07:09.560 --> 0:07:12.680 Commissioners for use of excessive force, failing to recognize that 0:07:12.720 --> 0:07:18.320 he had a disability, and wrongfully incarcerating him. Mister Mystic 0:07:18.360 --> 0:07:23.760 cried out saying no ears. The lawsuit reads defendant Summers ignore, 0:07:24.960 --> 0:07:28.240 ignored mister Mystic's plea, and then tased mister Mystic a 0:07:28.240 --> 0:07:31.920 second time. Defendants knew or should have known mister Mystic's 0:07:32.000 --> 0:07:35.480 lack of speech, hand gestures and or thick tongued articulation 0:07:35.560 --> 0:07:38.800 of words no ears, that he was deaf and could 0:07:38.880 --> 0:07:40.800 not hear or understand the officers. You can't want to 0:07:40.800 --> 0:07:47.239 stop right there. I've seen the video for this one, 0:07:47.480 --> 0:07:54.240 and again, the reason I chose this is because there 0:07:54.280 --> 0:07:56.000 was a lot of videos that I had to sift 0:07:56.000 --> 0:07:58.200 through a lot of heartbreaking videos of people losing their 0:07:58.240 --> 0:08:02.800 life at the hands of the police, and we talk 0:08:02.840 --> 0:08:08.640 about the police a lot on this show. But this 0:08:08.800 --> 0:08:13.520 video was clear, and I think it was necessary to 0:08:13.600 --> 0:08:16.160 help tell the stories of the other videos and the 0:08:16.200 --> 0:08:18.800 other stories that I can't tell. This one is a 0:08:18.880 --> 0:08:23.520 little bit more all encompassing. And this is a person who, 0:08:23.600 --> 0:08:25.960 for all intents and purposes, was born with a strike 0:08:26.000 --> 0:08:28.800 against him. This man cannot hear, or maybe he wasn't 0:08:28.800 --> 0:08:31.680 born that way, but otherwise he's not able to hear 0:08:31.880 --> 0:08:38.440 the way that most of us our And the video, 0:08:38.679 --> 0:08:42.520 you know, he gets out of the car, well, he's 0:08:42.559 --> 0:08:46.040 followed by the police officers. You know, he pulls over 0:08:46.120 --> 0:08:49.560 and you know, goes where he's going. He gets out 0:08:49.600 --> 0:08:52.760 of the car and approaches the police vehicle, and the 0:08:52.760 --> 0:08:55.960 police are yelling at him, screaming, and then they you know, 0:08:56.200 --> 0:08:58.560 start to get physical as they jump out of the 0:08:58.559 --> 0:09:01.199 car and so forth, and he's yelling and screaming. You 0:09:01.200 --> 0:09:06.320 can hear that he doesn't know what's going on, and 0:09:06.360 --> 0:09:13.600 there's a very violent and emboldened reaction from the police. 0:09:13.880 --> 0:09:17.000 They just feel like they can do whatever they want 0:09:17.040 --> 0:09:21.800 to do, especially this officer Summers. There was a male 0:09:21.840 --> 0:09:24.360 officer and a female officer, and to her credit, the 0:09:24.400 --> 0:09:33.000 female officer had a small amount more restraint. And we'll 0:09:33.000 --> 0:09:36.120 see as we read a little bit further that this officer, Summers, 0:09:37.080 --> 0:09:41.480 had gotten in trouble before for I think assaulting or 0:09:41.520 --> 0:09:43.559 a brutal arrest of a seventy five year old man, 0:09:46.000 --> 0:09:51.280 and he was fired prior to this even becoming a lawsuit. 0:09:51.559 --> 0:09:53.680 So this guy has a history of being really violent 0:09:53.679 --> 0:09:57.160 with people where that's not necessary. But back to the 0:09:57.240 --> 0:10:02.480 video happens and we can see it. You know, this 0:10:02.559 --> 0:10:04.480 is body cam footage, so this is what the officers 0:10:04.480 --> 0:10:08.280 are seeing or dash cam footage. We can see that 0:10:08.320 --> 0:10:12.160 he's walking up to the car to investigate, and he 0:10:12.240 --> 0:10:14.679 says that later on, he says, you know, I got 0:10:14.679 --> 0:10:16.040 out of the car and I went to see what 0:10:16.160 --> 0:10:17.839 was happening, you know, what was going on on the 0:10:17.880 --> 0:10:20.160 other side of this thing. He didn't think it was 0:10:20.160 --> 0:10:26.080 for him, and the officers grabbed him, and then in 0:10:26.120 --> 0:10:28.000 the video, of course, they slam his head on the 0:10:28.440 --> 0:10:31.120 concrete and then they take him to jail, and he's 0:10:31.120 --> 0:10:35.160 in jail for four months. And I believe it was 0:10:35.280 --> 0:10:38.200 something about maybe he didn't come to a full stop 0:10:38.200 --> 0:10:39.880 at a stop sign or whatever the case was, some 0:10:40.679 --> 0:10:42.600 reason they originally engaged him. 0:10:43.640 --> 0:10:48.439 So glad you said that very benign reason for this 0:10:48.559 --> 0:10:51.440 whole arrest situation in the first place was a stop 0:10:51.480 --> 0:10:52.600 sign exactly. 0:10:52.679 --> 0:10:54.959 It was something like that. It wasn't a high speech, 0:10:55.040 --> 0:10:57.440 it wasn't then wen't looking for a robbery suspect or 0:10:57.440 --> 0:11:01.080 anything like that. It was just people living their lives 0:11:01.080 --> 0:11:03.120 the way they normally do. They happen to catch this 0:11:04.280 --> 0:11:08.640 and you know, this man gets assaulted and then imprisoned 0:11:09.600 --> 0:11:14.720 and then denied an interpreter. So what I wanted to 0:11:14.760 --> 0:11:25.040 talk about is this ready fire aim mentality that we 0:11:25.080 --> 0:11:29.040 see a lot with the police, and it's protected by 0:11:29.080 --> 0:11:34.120 this thin layer of I was. I feared for my life, 0:11:35.200 --> 0:11:39.960 and you know, I try to be fair. I try 0:11:39.960 --> 0:11:41.600 to be fair. Cue. I know that you at one 0:11:41.640 --> 0:11:44.080 point wanted to be a police officer. I know that 0:11:44.240 --> 0:11:47.920 you maybe not a fan of the Second Amendment, but 0:11:47.960 --> 0:11:49.920 you certainly believe in the Second Amendment. I know that 0:11:50.000 --> 0:11:52.480 I'm not that person. You know. I know that I'm 0:11:52.960 --> 0:11:55.840 you know, my earliest memory is very much shaped by 0:11:55.840 --> 0:12:00.000 the LAPD Compton, California and I've always kind of looked 0:12:00.120 --> 0:12:05.920 that police like less like the heroes than most people 0:12:06.000 --> 0:12:09.080 get to. You know, now, I see movies and I 0:12:09.120 --> 0:12:12.160 live in this country, and I recognize that police, for 0:12:12.240 --> 0:12:14.720 better or worse, have their place in society. But the 0:12:14.760 --> 0:12:20.520 way policing is done day to day, there's a lot 0:12:20.520 --> 0:12:23.520 of room for improvement. And some of the ideas that 0:12:23.600 --> 0:12:26.520 I believe in perhaps are a bit more radical than 0:12:26.559 --> 0:12:29.319 some folks taste, and perhaps they're not as radical as 0:12:29.320 --> 0:12:32.480 some folks would like. But this show is not for 0:12:32.520 --> 0:12:34.640 me to get my ideas off. This show is for 0:12:34.720 --> 0:12:38.040 all of us, our listeners, you, me, and our guests 0:12:38.600 --> 0:12:41.839 to discuss what's happening, and perhaps in the midst of 0:12:41.880 --> 0:12:44.320 our discussions we're able to flesh out a path forward 0:12:44.640 --> 0:12:47.880 where we're less angry, we're less afraid, and so forth right. 0:12:49.040 --> 0:12:54.240 But I will say that policing, especially if you are 0:12:54.280 --> 0:12:58.560 allowed to carry a weapon whose only purpose is to 0:12:58.720 --> 0:13:02.320 end to life. You know, all the police in this 0:13:02.360 --> 0:13:05.240 country have that. If the only purpose of that gun 0:13:05.559 --> 0:13:07.800 is to end the life, that's why they built it, 0:13:07.800 --> 0:13:09.679 that's why they designed it, that's why you're carrying it. 0:13:12.160 --> 0:13:17.240 That there's zero room for error. That should be the 0:13:17.280 --> 0:13:21.440 first and foremost and last and only requirement. There's zero 0:13:21.559 --> 0:13:26.320 room for error when it comes to that. And this 0:13:26.440 --> 0:13:32.439 ready fire aim mentality of these police officers. All of 0:13:32.440 --> 0:13:36.280 a sudden, everybody's afraid. And these people want to have 0:13:36.400 --> 0:13:40.520 the hero narrative as well, or people want to give 0:13:40.559 --> 0:13:42.560 them the hero narrative. You know, who knows. You know, 0:13:42.600 --> 0:13:45.000 I'm not going to speak for everyone, but I don't 0:13:45.000 --> 0:13:47.720 think that those two are compatible, because if you're a hero, 0:13:47.880 --> 0:13:52.040 to me, bravery is the first thing that comes to mind. 0:13:53.000 --> 0:13:54.520 You know. There's a story that we didn't get to 0:13:54.520 --> 0:14:01.760 talk about where this was in California and a person 0:14:01.880 --> 0:14:04.720 was having a mental health crisis. I believe this person 0:14:04.800 --> 0:14:08.599 was white, you know, whatever the case was, and he 0:14:08.640 --> 0:14:11.520 had some people call the police to help, you know, 0:14:11.520 --> 0:14:13.160 And as far as I know, I didn't read all 0:14:13.200 --> 0:14:15.360 the details, but you know, in my mind, this is 0:14:15.400 --> 0:14:17.520 what happened. Again, this is in my mind. I don't 0:14:17.520 --> 0:14:20.720 have the details, but these people are calling the police saying, hey, 0:14:20.960 --> 0:14:25.120 there's a problem with someone. This is the problem and 0:14:25.440 --> 0:14:27.880 we need help with it. There's no other numbers I 0:14:27.920 --> 0:14:32.400 can call, but I can't do this alone, right And 0:14:32.400 --> 0:14:36.840 then the police show up one officer shoots another officer, 0:14:37.880 --> 0:14:41.680 and then the guy's dog gets shot. The guy who's 0:14:41.680 --> 0:14:46.520 having the mental health crisis, his dog gets shot. And 0:14:46.560 --> 0:14:48.080 then you take a step back and you look at it, 0:14:48.120 --> 0:14:50.280 and you say, why did we call these guys in 0:14:50.280 --> 0:14:52.600 the first place? These are the heroes. They come and 0:14:52.600 --> 0:14:55.800 shoot each other on accident, and then the dog gets shot. 0:14:55.840 --> 0:14:59.080 This guy you know, and I know people who you know, 0:14:59.160 --> 0:15:01.960 sometimes they connect with animals a little bit easier than 0:15:02.000 --> 0:15:06.080 they connect with people. Some people they don't fit into 0:15:06.120 --> 0:15:12.440 society the same way as other folks do. And it's 0:15:12.480 --> 0:15:14.520 just such a heartbreaking story. And it's a sad story. 0:15:14.520 --> 0:15:16.120 And I'm sure the police would agree that that's a 0:15:16.160 --> 0:15:19.240 sad story and not all encounters in that way, and 0:15:19.280 --> 0:15:26.239 that's a fair thing to say. But this violent approach 0:15:26.560 --> 0:15:32.840 to dealing with almost everything feels, at least the ninety 0:15:32.880 --> 0:15:36.720 percent of the time unfounded. There's another video that we 0:15:36.760 --> 0:15:41.080 didn't get to talk about where this was in Mesa, Arizona. 0:15:41.120 --> 0:15:43.240 And from the video, from the vantage point that we 0:15:43.280 --> 0:15:45.720 see in the video, there's a man with his hands 0:15:45.760 --> 0:15:48.240 in the air and he puts his hands on the 0:15:48.320 --> 0:15:52.760 roof of the car, and you know, he ends up 0:15:52.760 --> 0:15:55.280 getting shot, and I read a little bit more about 0:15:55.280 --> 0:15:57.160 the story. I forget his name, and he deserves that, 0:15:57.200 --> 0:15:59.880 and I'm so sorry, but I didn't expect to go 0:15:59.840 --> 0:16:02.200 in this direction, and my notes aren't here with his 0:16:02.320 --> 0:16:05.040 name on it. But I'll come back. I'll make it right. 0:16:05.480 --> 0:16:08.560 In any event, I believe that based on the name, 0:16:08.600 --> 0:16:12.440 the way I remember his name, he was Hispanic man. 0:16:13.480 --> 0:16:16.800 But you know, the police shoot him and and their 0:16:16.840 --> 0:16:20.360 story is that he reached into his waistband, not that 0:16:20.400 --> 0:16:22.560 he presented a weapon, not than anything, but he reached 0:16:22.600 --> 0:16:25.640 into his waistband and they were under the impression that 0:16:25.680 --> 0:16:28.680 he had a weapon, and so they shot and he died. 0:16:28.800 --> 0:16:30.800 And again from the vantage point, it looks like his 0:16:30.840 --> 0:16:33.800 hands are on the roof of the car, and that 0:16:33.800 --> 0:16:38.200 that was not happening, you know, And I don't know. 0:16:38.240 --> 0:16:42.640 We've learned our lesson on this show to not you know, 0:16:42.800 --> 0:16:46.600 say too much before we can say it. But I 0:16:46.680 --> 0:16:51.080 can say that the lack of restraint in those instances 0:16:51.240 --> 0:16:55.280 when we when we compare them to instances like what 0:16:55.360 --> 0:16:58.520 happened in Kenosha and with Dylan Roof when he shot 0:16:58.560 --> 0:17:00.960 up the church. You know, things like that where the 0:17:00.960 --> 0:17:08.520 police have an infinite amount of restraint. You know, these 0:17:08.520 --> 0:17:13.359 are people with weapons actively shooting. You know, there's nothing 0:17:13.840 --> 0:17:17.240 you know, and so this story, the one we're talking 0:17:17.240 --> 0:17:20.600 about with Brady Mystic, the deaf man in Colorado Springs, 0:17:22.480 --> 0:17:27.639 the violence that they feel is necessary to get a 0:17:27.640 --> 0:17:33.240 hold of the situation. You know, it feels like we're 0:17:33.720 --> 0:17:34.720 they're just bullies. 0:17:36.000 --> 0:17:37.719 I want I want to ask you a question before 0:17:37.720 --> 0:17:43.960 you move on, Rams, Please, are the police creating bullies 0:17:45.200 --> 0:17:50.399 or are bullies actively trying to become police? That's an 0:17:50.440 --> 0:17:53.439 excellent question to you, right, Like are bullies seeing that 0:17:53.520 --> 0:17:55.080 like yo, I can go get it off if I 0:17:55.160 --> 0:17:59.400 do that. Or are normal people being turned into bullies 0:18:00.720 --> 0:18:03.440 by police account I mean by police agencies. 0:18:03.920 --> 0:18:07.479 I think I have a theory, of course, the answer 0:18:07.520 --> 0:18:11.640 is both. You know, there's some people with that their 0:18:11.920 --> 0:18:13.879 bullies and their home life. They have used their wives 0:18:13.960 --> 0:18:15.960 that you know, that's just who they are. They're bigger, 0:18:15.960 --> 0:18:19.159 they're strong, they think that that's how they should live 0:18:19.200 --> 0:18:22.960 their life. I wouldn't take that away from anyone, but 0:18:23.080 --> 0:18:30.000 I think that the greater number is the police creates bullies. 0:18:30.720 --> 0:18:33.119 And we know this when we look at the human 0:18:33.200 --> 0:18:38.720 psychology behind the Stanford experiments. Right, So the Stanford Experiments, 0:18:38.760 --> 0:18:43.359 for those who don't know is please look it up 0:18:43.359 --> 0:18:46.160 to google it and just learn about it. It's really interesting. 0:18:46.200 --> 0:18:50.680 But basically, some students from Stanford enrolled in a study 0:18:51.560 --> 0:18:54.639 and then half of the students randomly were selected to 0:18:54.640 --> 0:18:58.239 be prisoners and half were selected randomly to be the 0:18:58.280 --> 0:19:03.680 prison guards. And they all knew who each other were. 0:19:03.840 --> 0:19:06.040 They all knew in the real world, we're all the 0:19:06.080 --> 0:19:09.000 same people, you know, we all go to the same schools, 0:19:09.000 --> 0:19:12.399 we have the same you know, issue whatever. But in 0:19:12.440 --> 0:19:19.080 this study, people's behaviors started to change, particularly the guards. 0:19:19.760 --> 0:19:24.600 You know, they had, for all intents and purposes, absolute 0:19:24.640 --> 0:19:29.120 power to punish to, you know, whatever, all the students 0:19:29.119 --> 0:19:34.920 who were in prison quote unquote, and the study actually 0:19:34.960 --> 0:19:38.840 had to be terminated because of the amount of abuse 0:19:38.880 --> 0:19:44.000 that was taking place. And you know, with absolute, absolute 0:19:44.080 --> 0:19:48.080 power corrupts absolutely. I think that's how the saying goes. 0:19:48.880 --> 0:19:52.800 And you know, people talk about training, and there's been 0:19:52.840 --> 0:19:56.600 training and training and training for decades, more training, better training, 0:19:56.800 --> 0:20:01.119 you know, even black folks sometimes, uh, you know, we 0:20:01.240 --> 0:20:03.800 pairrot that, oh we're better training, will you know. And 0:20:03.840 --> 0:20:05.640 some of the stories I've read this week. I've seen 0:20:05.640 --> 0:20:10.960 that a couple of times. And you know, training, new theory, 0:20:11.040 --> 0:20:14.399 whatever the case is, that's all well and good, but 0:20:14.440 --> 0:20:16.639 we've seen that it's not nearly as effective as it 0:20:16.680 --> 0:20:18.640 needs to be. A certainly, if we have to have 0:20:19.200 --> 0:20:21.479 zero mistakes, if you're carrying a murder weapon on your 0:20:21.480 --> 0:20:24.160 person and you're able to look to end the life 0:20:24.200 --> 0:20:26.800 of a human being and not be held accountable if 0:20:26.800 --> 0:20:30.160 there's a mistake involved, if you make poor judgment, right. 0:20:33.240 --> 0:20:45.800 But I think that when we examine not just the training, 0:20:46.320 --> 0:20:52.400 but the the mentality and the culture of policing, that 0:20:52.520 --> 0:20:57.639 good old boys network that exists in policing, that blue 0:20:57.720 --> 0:21:03.800 wall of silence that exists in policing, we start to 0:21:03.880 --> 0:21:08.480 realize that policing it's almost like a gang. It's like 0:21:08.480 --> 0:21:11.320 an US versus them, not a Hey, you know what, 0:21:11.800 --> 0:21:14.520 the people are very upset with us from making these mistakes, 0:21:14.720 --> 0:21:18.920 Let's figure out how to make less mistakes. Instead, they 0:21:19.160 --> 0:21:23.119 tend to insulate themselves even further. And the folks that 0:21:23.280 --> 0:21:29.800 mostly benefit from policing in this country are very easy 0:21:29.840 --> 0:21:33.160 to convince that you know, policing serves your interests, so 0:21:33.680 --> 0:21:35.679 help us and support us and wave this flag with 0:21:35.720 --> 0:21:36.760 a blue stripe on it. 0:21:37.920 --> 0:21:40.400 And don't you dare hold us accountable. 0:21:39.840 --> 0:21:43.360 For anything exactly. You know, there was enough how dangerous 0:21:43.400 --> 0:21:47.240 our job is. Yeah, and there's another story. I'm glad 0:21:47.240 --> 0:21:48.760 you mentioned that. There's another story we didn't get to 0:21:48.760 --> 0:21:52.760 talk about. And you know, on the right, there's this 0:21:52.880 --> 0:21:56.080 narrative that George Floyd should not be made into a 0:21:56.160 --> 0:21:59.560 hero because he had a criminal past. And there was 0:21:59.600 --> 0:22:03.040 an unveiling of George Floyd's statue I believe he was 0:22:03.080 --> 0:22:06.480 in New York City, and a couple of days after that, 0:22:06.520 --> 0:22:10.000 someone threw paint on it, right to deface the statue, 0:22:10.040 --> 0:22:12.280 and of course people were immediately out there clean enough 0:22:12.320 --> 0:22:17.359 the paint or whatever, because that's what exists. George Floyd 0:22:17.400 --> 0:22:20.840 should not be made into a hero. Right. But then 0:22:20.880 --> 0:22:23.679 in Texas this might have been you know, a handful 0:22:23.680 --> 0:22:28.719 of days ago, maybe a week ago. There there's this 0:22:28.840 --> 0:22:35.280 motion that's been approved to exonerate George Floyd from the 0:22:35.320 --> 0:22:38.879 crimes that he committed after another investigation of what actually 0:22:38.960 --> 0:22:42.320 went on. You know, he's not the criminal that folks 0:22:42.400 --> 0:22:44.439 made him out to be. He was a normal person 0:22:44.520 --> 0:22:48.600 living a normal life. And in the same way that 0:22:48.720 --> 0:22:52.480 Emmett Tiel. You know, history remembers him as you know, 0:22:52.560 --> 0:22:55.280 one of our heroes or one of the great names 0:22:56.040 --> 0:22:59.520 that we remember. You know, he lived fourteen years. He 0:22:59.520 --> 0:23:04.560 didn't do great things. His biggest contribution to African American 0:23:04.680 --> 0:23:07.600 history is just dying getting dragged behind a truck and 0:23:07.640 --> 0:23:08.360 thrown in a river. 0:23:09.240 --> 0:23:13.120 Yeah, not just not just dying, but being brutally murdered. 0:23:13.280 --> 0:23:18.359 Sure, sure, but that contribution is not nothing. He paid 0:23:18.760 --> 0:23:22.679 for the advancement of black people and the narrative of 0:23:22.880 --> 0:23:27.479 equality and equity in this country. He paid for that 0:23:27.520 --> 0:23:29.800 with his life, and we all have benefited from it 0:23:29.920 --> 0:23:32.000 us today right now. And the same is true with 0:23:32.040 --> 0:23:40.280 George Floyd. And if the way that we keep those names, 0:23:41.040 --> 0:23:45.679 the way that we ensure that those lives weren't lost 0:23:45.720 --> 0:23:48.879 for no reason, is to you know, have these statues 0:23:48.880 --> 0:23:52.800 in these monuments, then that's our way of you know, 0:23:52.840 --> 0:23:55.240 preserving that. Now. I do want to skip to this 0:23:55.760 --> 0:23:57.560 to the bottom here because we don't have a whole 0:23:57.600 --> 0:24:03.320 lot of time left. But back to Brady Stick. He is. 0:24:04.760 --> 0:24:09.000 He does have a lawsuit. His attorney argues that, you know, 0:24:10.680 --> 0:24:14.639 the officer caused his own injuries, accused the police of 0:24:14.720 --> 0:24:17.040 trying to use the injury to cover up their own 0:24:17.040 --> 0:24:20.000 mishandling of the rest. As we know, more than half 0:24:20.040 --> 0:24:23.199 of police killings are mislabeled. That's facts. That's from the 0:24:23.200 --> 0:24:27.399 New York Times. Later, they found prop money in his 0:24:27.480 --> 0:24:30.679 wallet and they tried to book him on possession of 0:24:30.720 --> 0:24:33.040 forged currency, you know, the play money you can buy. 0:24:33.359 --> 0:24:35.280 They tried to book them on that, and then of 0:24:35.320 --> 0:24:39.960 course those charges were dismissed as well. And you know, 0:24:40.000 --> 0:24:42.480 here's a quote from the guy who says, when I 0:24:42.480 --> 0:24:44.160 got pulled over, I tried to come because the light 0:24:44.240 --> 0:24:46.120 was in my face and it scared me. He said 0:24:46.119 --> 0:24:48.399 in sign language on the footage, I couldn't see and 0:24:48.440 --> 0:24:50.159 I didn't like that, and I was frustrated. I came 0:24:50.200 --> 0:24:52.480 over to see what was going on to me. I 0:24:52.480 --> 0:24:54.520 thought it was someone else. I didn't know I was 0:24:54.560 --> 0:24:58.240 the one. And with that, will take a pause for 0:24:58.359 --> 0:25:04.360 the cause. And now, well watch move my mic back 0:25:04.760 --> 0:25:07.920 like that we can strike. 0:25:09.160 --> 0:25:12.879 Waters from head borders behind him, then the border. 0:25:13.160 --> 0:25:15.159