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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: So Michigan gets punished, and here here's what you're going

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Speaker 3: to Readkay, here's what you're going to read. You're going

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Speaker 3: to read that there's a fifty thousand dollars fine, right,

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Speaker 3: and that it's also ten percent of the football budget,

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Speaker 3: a fine equivalent to the anticipated postseason competition revenue sharing

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Speaker 3: associate with this and next year's college football seasons. That's

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Speaker 3: that's that's big, big numbers right there. Big numbers. Okay,

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Speaker 3: A twenty five percent reduction in football official visits during

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Speaker 3: make that big atent. Okay, And Connor Stallion's Jim Harbaud,

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Speaker 3: Denard Robinson, even Shroan Moore is gonna suspended one additional game.

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Speaker 3: He's suspended two games this year. There's gonna be a

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Speaker 3: third one. But the big thing is that the projection

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Speaker 3: is a thirty million dollar fine Michigan, thirty million dollar fine.

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Speaker 3: That's a lot of money. Now, can you make it up?

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Speaker 3: Of course, you have one hundred thousand seat stadium, it's

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Speaker 3: you can raise some more money, but that's thirty million

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Speaker 3: dollars that you planned on budgeting having that you won't have,

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Speaker 3: and you're going to lose the college football playoff revenue

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Speaker 3: you were going to get as well. And I'm going

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Speaker 3: to commend the NCAA again, I don't. I don't think

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Speaker 3: But what they've done is they found a way to

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Speaker 3: punish the school, right, without truly punishing the players at

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Speaker 3: the school, right, Like none of these they're not losing

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Speaker 3: a championship. We're not taking down a banner. But what

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Speaker 3: we're doing is we're crippling your chance to compete and

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Speaker 3: go out and spend a bunch of money. Reality is,

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Speaker 3: I don't know how much it affects football as much

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Speaker 3: is at steak here? Okay, what was this steak? Here?

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Speaker 3: Is the NCAA trying to find a way to find

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Speaker 3: the perfect punishment going forward. This is a This is

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Speaker 3: a seed change in NCAA history because in any other

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Speaker 3: punishment in the past, what would have happened. Scholarship productions

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Speaker 3: postseason ban and take down a banner? Right, that's like

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Speaker 3: their thing, scholarship productions, postseason ban, take down a banner. Well,

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Speaker 3: here's the problem. Scholarship productions don't they do work. They

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Speaker 3: cripple you going forward in the future. But now, when

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Speaker 3: So if you had not if you just if you

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Speaker 3: took away scholarships, they can have their collective pay for

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Speaker 3: that makes sense. It's like you can do this when

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Speaker 3: Making sense. Okay, So for this, if you take away scholarships,

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Speaker 3: for Michigan and some a Michigan degree is still important.

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Speaker 3: My guess is here's what happens. This is just a guess.

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Speaker 3: It's just too hard. And in this case, if you

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Speaker 3: I think they can move some money over from other sports? Yeah,

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Speaker 3: taken place, there was like a five to six million

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Speaker 3: think happens, quite honestly, is is that Michigan football next

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Speaker 3: year takes a real hit. But Michigan's other programs in

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Speaker 3: their athletic department are going to take the most severe hit.

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Speaker 3: just so people understand the ruling where schools get, I

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Speaker 3: You cut out ten percent sent thirty million dollar fine,

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Speaker 3: and now the money's got to come from somewhere. Well,

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Speaker 6: I think the Committee on Infractions looked at every potential

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Speaker 6: Uh More suspension of Sharon more than they gave him,

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Speaker 6: Right, that does not even that, Doug, you, You really

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Speaker 3: Yeah that's crazy, that's crazy. Okay. So let's let's let's

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Speaker 2: Nothing.

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Speaker 6: They already knew that Shron is going to be suspended

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Speaker 6: The committee just said, we accept that, but you also

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Speaker 3: Okay, so how does the Michigan moving forward?

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Speaker 6: It doesn't because Michigan's rich. Now this is this is

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Speaker 6: It hurts. But when you are at Michigan and you

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Speaker 3: I think it affects them the other sports at Michigan, right,

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Speaker 6: No, not at Michigan. This, like I said, at another school,

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Speaker 3: I think the big question is that does that thirty

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Speaker 3: Well, it's a fine, so they have to send it

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Speaker 6: Well no, no, no, it just means they can't take the way.

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Speaker 3: I am going to disagree with you from this standpoint.

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Speaker 6: It's not the place where if you need a quarterback,

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Speaker 3: This is the hurt. What about college football? Like, how

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Speaker 6: Yeah. Now, at least with those two, those rosters are

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Speaker 6: It's incredibly frustrating. And it's something that with a sixteen

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Speaker 3: should have used that power and tried to be the

433
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Speaker 3: Texas of the new Big twelve. Speaking in the new

434
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Speaker 3: Big twelve, wasn't great last year, Like, let's just kind

435
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Speaker 3: of be honest, right, felt like a Arizona State kind

436
00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:45,520
Speaker 3: of came from nowhere to be competitive. This year, you

437
00:24:45,560 --> 00:24:49,280
Speaker 3: got k State. Everybody thinks they got a shot. Where

438
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Speaker 3: is the Big twelve? Football wise in this entire.

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Speaker 6: Mix fascinating because it's so easily matched. You know, there's

440
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Speaker 6: probably eight or nineteen you could really make a legitimate

441
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Speaker 6: case for to win the conference title this year. And

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Speaker 6: so it makes the week to week part of the

443
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Speaker 6: Big Twelve really fun to watch. It makes the viewing

444
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Speaker 6: product excellent. But Brett Yormark, their commissioner, talking about this

445
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Speaker 6: a few weeks ago, they need a couple of programs

446
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Speaker 6: to emerge as national title contender type teams. You kind

447
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Speaker 6: of have to have the big dogs at the top

448
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Speaker 6: to be an effective conference. So like, as the viewer,

449
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Speaker 6: I love that I don't know what's going to happen.

450
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Speaker 6: And we joke on my show about you know which

451
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Speaker 6: should essentially mint a special Big twelve coin that just

452
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Speaker 6: says plus three and a half and minus three and

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Speaker 6: a half on.

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Speaker 1: It, and.

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Speaker 6: It's fun now. But for them to get where they

456
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Speaker 6: want to go, they need somebody, whether that's Texas Tech

457
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Speaker 6: or Baylor or TCU can't state somebody to emerge as

458
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Speaker 6: a power.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but I don't know if that's possible because like

460
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Speaker 3: you said, they are all the same. That's honestly why

461
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Speaker 3: Oklahoma should have stayed. They would have been a power.

462
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Speaker 3: But why losing them now makes everybody I mean, maybe

463
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Speaker 3: Arizona State. They should they got one hundred thousand students,

464
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Speaker 3: they should have more money than God. They finally won,

465
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Speaker 3: Like if if he can figure out how to you know,

466
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Speaker 3: but he's I'll tell you one of the deals. He's

467
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Speaker 3: still doesn't have an indoor facility and he wants that. Yeah,

468
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Speaker 3: my advice would be, no worry about an indoor facility,

469
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Speaker 3: stick with the bubble, spend that money on players, and eventually,

470
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Speaker 3: you know, they'll they'll build you a taj mahall if

471
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Speaker 3: you'd like. That's that's generally the college exactly.

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Speaker 6: And they have a freaking stadium carving into a mountain.

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Speaker 6: I mean, come on, yeah, who wouldn't love that place?

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Speaker 3: Well? And did I mention one hundred thousand students and

475
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Speaker 3: and and and warmth and tempee.

476
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Speaker 6: Everybody's really good looking there.

477
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Speaker 3: Yes, yes, yes, completely completely agree. Last thing, last thing, Andy,

478
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Speaker 3: I'm sure you've heard Thomas Hammock's rant about the college experience, right,

479
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Speaker 3: and the value of the college experience and what we're

480
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Speaker 3: not teaching players. Is there any way in which we

481
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Speaker 3: slow down the train of all the transfers.

482
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Speaker 6: I think the actually the school's paying will probably slow

483
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Speaker 6: it down some because they'll be able to write the

484
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Speaker 6: deals in a way that it's going to be a

485
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Speaker 6: little more difficult to transfer, or you gonna have a

486
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Speaker 6: lease of money on the table to transfer. The real

487
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Speaker 6: way to do it is some sort of collective bargaining

488
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Speaker 6: with the athletes where you can have a CBA so

489
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Speaker 6: they can't sue you, and you have real rules in

490
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Speaker 6: real contracts, and that's that's the easiest way to do it.

491
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Speaker 6: The schools just don't want to do it.

492
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Speaker 3: Yeah, well I think they want to do it. You

493
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Speaker 3: can't make them employees. There's just there's too many other things.

494
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Speaker 6: But there are ways to not do that. I mean,

495
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Speaker 6: you think about like the Screen Actors Guild, for example.

496
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Speaker 6: Those aren't full time employees of studios or any those

497
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Speaker 6: are all contractors, but they have they have a CBA.

498
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Speaker 6: The writers skill they have a CBA, So you can

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Speaker 6: do it. It's just a little bit different, No.

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Speaker 3: It's it's a it's a lot different. If you had

501
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Speaker 3: Alabama's fastating this year, right like Kalin de boor it's

502
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Speaker 3: year two. It's the job that nobody wants to take, right,

503
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Speaker 3: be the guy who replaces Nick Saban. But you get

504
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Speaker 3: a guy who's been in the system to be your

505
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Speaker 3: starting quarterback. Yeah, what does Klen de Bor have to do? Honestly,

506
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Speaker 3: to stay.

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Speaker 6: Employed, you gotta make a playoffs. They're not going to

508
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Speaker 6: accept anything short of making the playoffs. But they have

509
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Speaker 6: one of the most talented rosters in the country. The

510
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Speaker 6: roster that Saban left behind pretty much intact. They lost

511
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Speaker 6: a couple, you know, like Kale downs in Ohio State

512
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Speaker 6: right after Saban resigned, But for the most part, they

513
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Speaker 6: kept a lot of those guys, and then the boy's

514
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Speaker 6: a good job of adding on to it. He's recruited

515
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Speaker 6: really well, and their high school recruiting seems to be

516
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Speaker 6: tracking not exactly like Saban's was, But that's because this

517
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Speaker 6: is a different era more than anything else, and Savans

518
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Speaker 6: would have looked like this too. So they have all

519
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Speaker 6: the pieces around Ty Simpson, who's the fourth year players

520
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Speaker 6: who they named the starting quarterback this week. They have

521
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Speaker 6: all the pieces around him to make this work. I

522
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Speaker 6: think they are one of the most talented team in

523
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Speaker 6: the country, Doug. I think they're one of the three

524
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Speaker 6: or four most talent teams in the country. So if

525
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Speaker 6: Ty Simpson is good, and I don't even he doesn't

526
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Speaker 6: have to be no world beater. He could be above average.

527
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Speaker 6: And I think they're a playoff team.

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Speaker 3: You want to know the most interesting part, I'll give you.

529
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Speaker 3: I'll give you something you can talk about in your show,

530
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Speaker 3: and it's a real thing. And like, I'd love to

531
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Speaker 3: know what Simpson makes, right, because he had to win

532
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Speaker 3: the job. So he's probably not making a million dollars.

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Speaker 3: You know, it's probably not. Now, maybe they have maybe

534
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Speaker 3: they have a deal in your contract where you get

535
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Speaker 3: bumped at the starting quarterback you make seven figures. I

536
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Speaker 3: don't know, but the likely it is not, but it

537
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Speaker 3: would be genius if you can find program guys to

538
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Speaker 3: be your quarterback, because the quarterback is the most expensive

539
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Speaker 3: thing you get, right, so if you have a if

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Speaker 3: you have a quarterback, I mean, that's really what the

541
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Speaker 3: downfall of USC that nobody talks about. They were paying

542
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Speaker 3: Killer Williams so much money they didn't have money for

543
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Speaker 3: everybody else, so they tried to cut corners. Well, you

544
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Speaker 3: can't cut corners there if you have a quarterback. That's

545
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Speaker 3: not great. It's it's a little bit like the brock

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Speaker 3: Purty thing in uh with with the Niners, where you

547
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Speaker 3: save money at the quarterback, you spread out elsewhere. It

548
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Speaker 3: allows the quarterback to just run the system, just get

549
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Speaker 3: the ball to the players. That appears to be the

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Speaker 3: plan at Alabama.

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Speaker 6: I like the Trent Williams and as Caden Brockers comparison

552
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Speaker 6: very nice. Yeah, although I will stay with USC. They

553
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Speaker 6: think they got a guy, the freshman who's on Longstreet.

554
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Speaker 6: I don't think he's going to start right away. I

555
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Speaker 6: don't want to throw him into the fire immediately, but

556
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Speaker 6: it sounds like they feel very good about him going forward.

557
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Speaker 6: So Blake and Riley may have his next next gym

558
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Speaker 6: of a QB, but it may take a little little

559
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Speaker 6: time to bake.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but I do I do think that would be

561
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Speaker 3: everybody's just so you know, like as we all talk

562
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Speaker 3: and we all try and figure out, like, hey, what's

563
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Speaker 3: that guy doing? How can I do it? Do you do?

564
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Speaker 3: Do you just pay a couple of guys and everybody

565
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Speaker 3: else gets nothing? Do you teer it? Does every member

566
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Speaker 3: make a little something and then you let them earn anil?

567
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Speaker 3: Do you put bonuses in there? I just it'd be

568
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Speaker 3: fascinating to me if you look at the structure of

569
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Speaker 3: what Alabama's doing. Again, I think the high school recruiting thing.

570
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Speaker 3: You only do that if you feel like those kids,

571
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Speaker 3: especially if like I know, Oklhoma State's doing this, you

572
00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:28,600
Speaker 3: feel like you take we want We think Wisconsin kids

573
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Speaker 3: will want to stay. Hey, they want to stay, They

574
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Speaker 3: want to play in Wisconsin. They only want to play

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Speaker 3: for the University wisconsonant play for the Badgers or play

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Speaker 3: for US, and that's it. And the ones who are

577
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Speaker 3: recruiting aren't seen as good enough to play for the

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Speaker 3: Badgers as of yet. And so we tell them, hey,

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Speaker 3: look man, you're probably not gonna play year one, maybe

580
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Speaker 3: not year two, but three, four, five, and you can

581
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Speaker 3: play close to home. We can raise more money, we

582
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Speaker 3: can put more people in the seats, and we can

583
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Speaker 3: keep more players. That's also what I think a lot

584
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Speaker 3: of people are trying to do in the high school recruiting.

585
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Speaker 3: But you have to take high school kids knowing you're

586
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Speaker 3: only gonna be able, like in football, play one or

587
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Speaker 3: two because the rest is well and.

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Speaker 6: The thing is now, you can't you can't stack them

589
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Speaker 6: the way that that Saban would stack them and urban

590
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Speaker 6: Meyer would stack them. At Ohio State, your you know,

591
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Speaker 6: beneath your top eight guys, you're not going to be

592
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Speaker 6: able to pay the next group enough because some other

593
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Speaker 6: school like North Carolina just did this to Ohio State

594
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Speaker 6: where they took an Ohio State commit who's from Ohio,

595
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Speaker 6: and like it used to be that nobody from Ohio

596
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Speaker 6: would ever decommit from Ohio State. They would never like that.

597
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Speaker 6: You don't lose Ohio kids if you're Ohio State. But

598
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Speaker 6: in this case, he's probably the you know, the seventeenth

599
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Speaker 6: or eighteenth guy if you're talking about technic order the

600
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Speaker 6: recruiting class at Ohio State. Well, if North Carolina comes

601
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Speaker 6: in and offers them significantly more money and says you'll

602
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Speaker 6: probably get to play pretty quickly. And oh, by the way,

603
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Speaker 6: it's Bill Belichick who can presumably develop you for the NFL,

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Speaker 6: then all of a sudden, it's really hard for an

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Speaker 6: Ohio State to keep that guy. And so that that's

606
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Speaker 6: where it'll be interesting because you see these guys kind

607
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Speaker 6: of spreading out. But to your point about building through

608
00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:09,200
Speaker 6: the draft versus building through free agency in the NFL,

609
00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:11,200
Speaker 6: we've seen you can. It only works if you build

610
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Speaker 6: through the draft. And I think you're still seeing the

611
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Speaker 6: Georgians and the Alabama and the ohighest states of the world.

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Speaker 6: That's what they really want to do. They don't want

613
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Speaker 6: to go and have to play. You know, they'll plug

614
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Speaker 6: a couple holes, but they don't really want to replace

615
00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:30,080
Speaker 6: their team whole. And so like Billy Napier at Florida

616
00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:33,160
Speaker 6: got killed for that the first three years, it may

617
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Speaker 6: wind up saving him ultimately because he's got an old team.

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Speaker 6: They didn't quit on him when things were bad. Last year.

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Speaker 6: They got better and maybe they're good this year.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Any great stuff, man, I'm ready for college football

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Speaker 3: know you are as well. Thanks so much for joining

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Speaker 3: us in the Herd.

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Speaker 6: Thanks Doug.

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Speaker 3: All right, let's get to Greg Tooey with the news.

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Speaker 2: No, no, no, this is the Herd Line news.

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Speaker 4: What's up, Doug. What's up there? Doing big series in

627
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Speaker 4: LA this weekend? Dodgers Padres three game set at Chavez Ravine.

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Speaker 4: But now, Doug, the Dodgers are looking up in the

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Speaker 4: NL West. They trail the Padres by a game. Starting

630
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Speaker 4: to get a little dicey here in the NL West.

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Speaker 4: Here was former All Star Matt Holliday last hour on

632
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Speaker 4: the Dodgers as we hit the home stretch.

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Speaker 8: I think they're just as big a threat to win

634
00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:25,319
Speaker 8: the World Series as they were at the beginning of

635
00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:27,720
Speaker 8: the season. Now they're not going to win one hundred

636
00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:30,440
Speaker 8: and twenty games like maybe we thought with the roster

637
00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:33,320
Speaker 8: they constructed. But it's very difficult over one hundred and

638
00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:36,560
Speaker 8: sixty two game season for everything to go as planned

639
00:34:36,640 --> 00:34:39,120
Speaker 8: and sort of the formula that you put on paper

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00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:41,439
Speaker 8: is going to work out. It's just such a long

641
00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:43,879
Speaker 8: season and there's so many factors that play into that.

642
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Speaker 8: But when it comes down to a playoff month, I

643
00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:51,640
Speaker 8: think they're just as good a position as they were ever.

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Speaker 4: He makes a lot of good points, and it's kind

645
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Speaker 4: of how you feel, you're you're not really worried about

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Speaker 4: the Dodgers at that point.

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Speaker 3: No, Yeah, they've had a lot of injuries and that's

648
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Speaker 3: a lot of season. If they get healthy, if they

649
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Speaker 3: get right, And the fact is, like I'm here's what

650
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Speaker 3: I am. I want to see what they do against

651
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Speaker 3: the Padres in this stretch. Yeah, because the Padres, this

652
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Speaker 3: is man. They they like to talk some ish. They

653
00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:16,400
Speaker 3: they're a little nastier than other teams. And I know

654
00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:18,840
Speaker 3: you're thinking like baseball, like it's baseball, Like now, remember

655
00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:21,680
Speaker 3: the other Dave Roberts. Was the ball thrown at him?

656
00:35:21,719 --> 00:35:27,520
Speaker 3: Thing right, the nontroversy deal. Yeah, I want to see

657
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Speaker 3: what that feels like. And as much I want to

658
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Speaker 3: see at the ravine, I want to see it.

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Speaker 7: Pet.

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Speaker 3: That's gonna be real, That's gonna be wild.

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Speaker 2: We'll wrapping up with this.

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Speaker 4: So Mike Brabel continues to get right in the middle

663
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Speaker 4: of things in New England. This week, he was asked

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Speaker 4: by a long time PATS reporter Phil Perry about Stefan

665
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Speaker 4: Diggs being concerned about his Week one availability. Here was

666
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Speaker 4: the exchange.

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Speaker 2: He's not sure about his readiness for week one?

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Speaker 6: Did you really believe that?

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Speaker 7: Phil?

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Speaker 6: And then you you're a smart guy.

671
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Speaker 5: I don't know where you went to school.

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Speaker 2: It wasn't Ohio State, Like, do you really believe that?

673
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Speaker 2: Do you really believe that?

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Speaker 7: Phil?

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Speaker 2: Are you just trying to being with some I'm.

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Speaker 6: Not baitd Okay.

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Speaker 1: He did say he wasn't sure he'd be great.

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Speaker 2: Requent is there any doubt in your mine?

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Speaker 6: I don't know the context of which he said it,

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Speaker 6: but you'd have to help me. I mean, he's been

681
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Speaker 6: out here almost every day. I'm excited to where he's

682
00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:15,960
Speaker 6: at and we'll see when we want to him.

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Speaker 4: So, Doug, you have the honor of being a coach

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Speaker 4: and working in the media. Yeah, was he trying to

685
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Speaker 4: bait Rabel? And how do you feel when this happens

686
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Speaker 4: to you as a coach? Do you feel like you

687
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Speaker 4: get baited? Sometimes?

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Speaker 3: I don't feel like it. Well, okay, there's a I

689
00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:36,400
Speaker 3: think a guy who does an excellent job a local writer,

690
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Speaker 3: and I don't think he baits. But it was like,

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00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:43,400
Speaker 3: we had a conversation where we were talking about a

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Speaker 3: bunch of things and I said, hey, you know, he's like, well,

693
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Speaker 3: what's going to change with radio? And I was like,

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Speaker 3: well nothing. I was like, I don't know. Maybe maybe

695
00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:54,799
Speaker 3: there's a chance I take a day off if I

696
00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:58,640
Speaker 3: feel like I need to focus for a day on

697
00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:02,640
Speaker 3: a particular game. I mean, all the honest thing is

698
00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:04,719
Speaker 3: I actually need the radio the day of the game

699
00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:08,440
Speaker 3: because otherwise I just you just sit there in your

700
00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:10,680
Speaker 3: room watching film over it like your board. Yeah, there's

701
00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:12,840
Speaker 3: nothing you can do. Yeah, if you're not prepared, I

702
00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:16,440
Speaker 3: would understand, But there's no cramming in college basketball anyway.

703
00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:20,839
Speaker 3: So how the story came out was different than how

704
00:37:21,640 --> 00:37:24,440
Speaker 3: what we were talking about, because you know, and so

705
00:37:24,600 --> 00:37:26,279
Speaker 3: you do have to be very careful with it. And

706
00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:29,640
Speaker 3: people ask me all the time, what have you learned

707
00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:33,279
Speaker 3: the most? Well, I've learned that I'm not a head coach.

708
00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:36,640
Speaker 3: I'm the CEO, right, But I've also learned it just

709
00:37:36,680 --> 00:37:39,759
Speaker 3: say less. That's as much as I as much as

710
00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:43,080
Speaker 3: I want to explain everything, like, nobody cares. What's going

711
00:37:43,120 --> 00:37:46,160
Speaker 3: to change. Nothing. We're still doing the radio show. It's

712
00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:48,879
Speaker 3: gonna be awesome. I'm more focused. I have my own

713
00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:51,960
Speaker 3: personal assistant, so everything is way more prepared for everything

714
00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:54,600
Speaker 3: that I do. And our team is better. Our team

715
00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:57,480
Speaker 3: is older, our coaching staff knows the rhythm of everything.

716
00:37:57,560 --> 00:37:59,840
Speaker 3: We're going to be better across the board. Periods do

717
00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:04,120
Speaker 3: move on. Next question. So I don't know if it's

718
00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:07,520
Speaker 3: necessarily baiting, but yeah, it's leading the witness. There you go.

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Speaker 3: That's the news.

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Speaker 2: Well, that's the news, and thanks for stopping The Herd

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Speaker 2: Line news.

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Speaker 3: The greatest or maybe most interesting nine to one one

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Speaker 3: call you're gonna hear. Don't worry, you're gonna laugh. It's

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Speaker 3: next time, Doug Gotlieb This the Herd.

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Speaker 3: Show on YouTube and subscribe. Okay, So have you guys

736
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Speaker 3: heard about the Brewers and the Burgers? Yeahs heard about this? No? No, okay.

737
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Speaker 3: There's a place called George Web. It's a small chain

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Speaker 3: in Milwaukee, and apparently this has been going on for

739
00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:12,160
Speaker 3: a long time George Web Restaurants. I have had this

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00:39:12,239 --> 00:39:16,520
Speaker 3: deal a twenty three local restaurants that if the Brewers

741
00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:22,719
Speaker 3: win twelve consecutive games, anybody who comes in, and it's

742
00:39:22,719 --> 00:39:26,480
Speaker 3: since the nineteen forties, anybody who comes in gets free

743
00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:33,319
Speaker 3: burger between twelve pm and six pm. Right, think about that. So,

744
00:39:36,120 --> 00:39:39,880
Speaker 3: in the process of this winning streak, they were winning

745
00:39:40,560 --> 00:39:44,680
Speaker 3: their twelfth game. That's when this call came into nine

746
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Speaker 3: to one.

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Speaker 7: One, King two twenty seven at George twelve one nine

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Speaker 7: five five five West Blue Mountain Road called nine to

749
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Speaker 7: one one because they won't get them as free burgers

750
00:39:55,120 --> 00:39:57,439
Speaker 7: for the Brewers game today. As advised, the game wasn't

751
00:39:57,440 --> 00:40:00,080
Speaker 7: over yet. Not sure if the subject is still standing by.

752
00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:03,640
Speaker 3: Think about that for a second. Guy wants his burger

753
00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:07,880
Speaker 3: so bad he goes to the restaurant before the game

754
00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:15,520
Speaker 3: is actually completed. Right now. The downside is it's kind

755
00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:20,319
Speaker 3: of a snap sad snapshot of society. Right, you want

756
00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:24,080
Speaker 3: another plus side there is that You're like, what's the positive, Well,

757
00:40:24,080 --> 00:40:28,319
Speaker 3: there's two positives. One that these type of randoms are

758
00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:31,799
Speaker 3: paying attention to baseball. I think that's right. That's the

759
00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:34,360
Speaker 3: It's like the SEC says it means more, but I

760
00:40:34,360 --> 00:40:36,279
Speaker 3: don't know any nine one one calls coming about free

761
00:40:36,280 --> 00:40:38,800
Speaker 3: meals in the SEC. That's pretty good. And the second

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Speaker 3: part is if you know anything about Milwaukee and you

763
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Speaker 3: know some of the strife they've had, some of the

764
00:40:45,719 --> 00:40:49,319
Speaker 3: racial issues they've had, especially in Racine. Right, if this

765
00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:52,279
Speaker 3: is the biggest problem in Milwaukee, remember there's flooding last

766
00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:57,839
Speaker 3: weekend eleven twelve inches of rain in a day was crazy, right,

767
00:40:57,880 --> 00:41:01,000
Speaker 3: Even the Brewers Stadium American Family Field, the parking lots

768
00:41:01,040 --> 00:41:03,319
Speaker 3: were flooded and they drained it out just before the game.

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Speaker 3: If this is the biggest problem that dudes are calling

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Speaker 3: nine to one one because they're not getting it, go

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Speaker 3: back my free burger, A tasty burger.

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Speaker 4: It is a tasty burger, Doug to what extreme would

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Speaker 4: you go to to get a free promotion? Oh, pits free,

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00:41:24,360 --> 00:41:27,839
Speaker 4: it's me guy, really yeah wow, Like there's twenty three

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Speaker 4: locations and I love burgers, and I would probably hit

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Speaker 4: several of those locations. I mean, and and here's how

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00:41:33,719 --> 00:41:36,239
Speaker 4: cheap and low budget all my friends are. We would

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Speaker 4: get water.

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Speaker 3: Right, like you're supposed to go in there, like you know, fries, coke,

780
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Speaker 3: maybe a milkshake, maybe something else, maybe a second burger.

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Speaker 3: You get that first burger free, Like I was like, no, no,

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Speaker 3: I mean when we I grew up in Testing cal

783
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Speaker 3: went Orange, California, went high school in Testing California, the

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Speaker 3: player of the week used to get what's the sizzler?

785
00:41:56,880 --> 00:42:00,520
Speaker 3: Yeah you? And so we wait till like the third

786
00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:02,319
Speaker 3: week in a row, and there'd be three guys would

787
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Speaker 3: have it, and they would bring three guys with them

788
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Speaker 3: because we were so low budget, Like, hey, we just

789
00:42:06,680 --> 00:42:12,120
Speaker 3: all use it and we'll sit around like, who's gonna know, right, Danny,

790
00:42:12,200 --> 00:42:14,759
Speaker 3: super slam is only a buck ninety nine. I'm gonna

791
00:42:14,760 --> 00:42:17,440
Speaker 3: eat that as often as possible. So what to what extent?

792
00:42:17,520 --> 00:42:17,839
Speaker 3: A lot?

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Speaker 2: Okay?

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00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:21,160
Speaker 4: Would you be the guy who uh asked for a

795
00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:23,560
Speaker 4: water cup and then put gas in it all the time?

796
00:42:23,680 --> 00:42:30,279
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, yes, I hate now. What I've what I've

797
00:42:30,360 --> 00:42:33,040
Speaker 3: taken to now is I will do it only because

798
00:42:33,040 --> 00:42:35,319
Speaker 3: I'm trying to cut as much sugar for my diet

799
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Speaker 3: as possible. I will do water and then just a

800
00:42:38,080 --> 00:42:41,560
Speaker 3: little little little tap, little tap of lemonade so I

801
00:42:41,560 --> 00:42:44,160
Speaker 3: get a little lemon water twist. But yes, I've done

802
00:42:44,160 --> 00:42:48,080
Speaker 3: the water. That's who I am. Man. I can't. I

803
00:42:48,120 --> 00:42:51,400
Speaker 3: can't suddenly not become cheap when I'm being cheap, you know.

804
00:42:52,520 --> 00:42:56,400
Speaker 3: But all over tip, you know, I would overtip, but

805
00:42:56,480 --> 00:43:01,160
Speaker 3: I would not not spend on a soda cup. Collin's

806
00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:03,359
Speaker 3: back on Monday. What Colin got right? What Colin got wrong?

807
00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:05,279
Speaker 3: Have a great weekend. Colin learned to wear a hat

808
00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:06,359
Speaker 3: this weekend. This is the hurt