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Speaker 1: So what if you could transform your life simply by

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Speaker 1: thinking like Jesus.

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Speaker 2: Well, today's guest is here to help.

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Speaker 1: Us understand the power of our thoughts from his book

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Speaker 1: Thinking like Jesus, a Practical guide to encountering the words

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Speaker 1: and wisdom of Jesus. But before we get to that,

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Speaker 1: joined me around the table. It is someone who wants

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Speaker 1: to think like Jesus.

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Speaker 2: April, Yes, I do. That's a good word. It is

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Speaker 2: such a good word.

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Speaker 3: And sometimes we take for granted if we grew up

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Speaker 3: in faith that we know that people just know how

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Speaker 3: to speak life over their life, but some people don't.

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Speaker 3: So I'd love that we're making it practical.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know what, Cindy Johnston welcome. The Word

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Speaker 1: of God is so powerful. Bible talks about that word.

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Speaker 1: Have I hit in my heart that I might not

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Speaker 1: sit Againsteen, I mean, it's really important to know some

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Speaker 1: of those scriptures to help us with our thinking.

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Speaker 4: It is my husband from the very first of our marriage,

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Speaker 4: when he gets in the shower, he felt that he

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Speaker 4: is too as he's washing his body, he has to

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Speaker 4: wash his mind. So he starts and he has like

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Speaker 4: thirty scriptures that he's memorized and it's from healing to

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Speaker 4: I am of God, I have overcome the world. Greater

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Speaker 4: is he that is within me than he that is

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Speaker 4: within the world. I love it. It starts like that

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Speaker 4: and he goes and by the time he's finished, I'm inspired.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and now getting that.

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Speaker 4: Word in your heart.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you're out there sitting listening. Well, why did I

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Speaker 2: know them all? Now too? Well he's a pastor. Yes,

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Speaker 2: So that's beautiful. I love that. Rachel amb Brown.

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Speaker 1: That's it's an important word really that the mind is

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Speaker 1: just Oh, it's a battleground.

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Speaker 5: It really is.

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Speaker 6: You know, our thoughts determined our beliefs. Our beliefs determined

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Speaker 6: our actions, and our actions determine our quality of life.

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Speaker 6: So starts want your quality of life to change, you

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Speaker 6: first have to change what you're thinking in your head.

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Speaker 5: And it's always a battle.

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Speaker 6: And that's why the Bible talks about daily renewing our mind.

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Speaker 6: It's not just one time, it's over and over and

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Speaker 2: We got to talk to ourselves. Yeah, we knew through

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Speaker 2: the word of God.

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Speaker 1: Cindy Murdoch, I knew there's something you do, Yes, I

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Speaker 1: mean you just you got your little prayer closet you've

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Speaker 1: got scriptures up there, Yes, I do.

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Speaker 2: And what's one of your favorite ones that helped you?

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Speaker 7: You know again, I think one of my favorites. I

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Speaker 7: think it's in one three and it says, remind me

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Speaker 7: of your works Lord, in the morning of your miracles.

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Speaker 7: Let the morning bring me word of your unfailing love.

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Speaker 2: That's good. What is in you?

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Speaker 1: I put my trust, for it is in you I

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Speaker 2: That's good.

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Speaker 1: That's so good. We'll come back to that. Well, he

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Speaker 1: is a pastor and an author, is here today to

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Speaker 1: help us understand more about the mind of Christ. Please

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Speaker 1: welcome Pastor Binny Perez.

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Speaker 2: Come on in.

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Speaker 5: Pastor.

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Speaker 8: Oh so good to be here with all these ladies.

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Speaker 2: So good to have you.

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Speaker 9: Wow.

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Speaker 1: Well, I want you to imagine the impact our lives

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Speaker 1: could have if we really did think like Jesus. Well,

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Speaker 1: Pastor Binny is here to teach us what it means

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Speaker 1: to have the mind of Christ and how we can

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Speaker 1: begin to walk this out in our daily lives.

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Speaker 2: So a practical guide to encountering.

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Speaker 1: The words and wisdom of Jesus thinking like Jesus. This

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Speaker 1: is really powerful as I look through it. You know,

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Speaker 1: do you have any idea as a pastor. I know

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Speaker 1: I do just doing what I do interviewing thousands of people,

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Speaker 1: that there's a lot of stress, anxiety, fear that is

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Speaker 8: Yes, yes, and I think it's at almost at epidemic

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Speaker 6: There's everything where like our generations called like the anxious generation,

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Speaker 6: It's causing people to really lose their mind.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, because I mean you think about it. Okay, So

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Speaker 8: had to wait for news. Now it's instantaneous, But what

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Speaker 5: We can't do that far.

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Speaker 1: Yes, yes, you can't look at Facebook or Instagram. I mean,

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Speaker 8: It's either a great tool, right that we can use,

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Speaker 8: when our kids or us begin to actually believe what

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Speaker 1: About the book thinking like Jesus for people who are

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Speaker 1: I don't know if it has to do with your family,

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Speaker 8: I think the Word of God obviously is eternal, and

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Speaker 8: so many circumtats of situations that are out there, but

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Speaker 8: you've got to ground yourself in what God says. It

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Speaker 8: starts with your identity, right, and it starts with Okay,

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Speaker 8: who are you really trusting in your life?

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Speaker 5: Right? Because there's nothing we.

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Speaker 8: Can control, but we can trust the one that we

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Speaker 8: is God really good? You're serving God? And that's what

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Speaker 8: I mean. I'm not the only one, Okay, I to

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Speaker 8: by by getting us to start questioning God's character. So

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Speaker 8: I have to we have to just just it's it's

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Speaker 5: God is good.

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Speaker 8: Yes, Yes, he's kind, he's gracious, he's merciful, and when

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Speaker 1: So you shared something earlier that was so good. You

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Speaker 1: was so good because our mind can go places that

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Speaker 2: So one of the things you just said that so good.

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Speaker 8: And because Bob said there was other little boats with him,

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Speaker 8: He says, your heavenly Father takes care of them. How

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Speaker 8: much more will he take care of you. There's the

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Speaker 8: issue of identity. I got a heavely father. He's watching

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Speaker 8: And what I believe a lot of not everything, but

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Speaker 8: Is what that he will never leave us, he will

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Speaker 8: No, one hundred percent, because it's not the voices you hear.

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Speaker 8: God's Truth, Satan's lies God's Truth. And I just lined

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Speaker 8: and it has all these scriptures.

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Speaker 5: And this is my decoration card.

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Speaker 8: So when I was with the Raiders, I busted this

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Speaker 8: I was shocked. And some of the players came up

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Speaker 8: to me, and one guy said to me, goes, hey,

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Speaker 8: can I have another card?

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Speaker 5: Sure? Can I? Can I have three of them?

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Speaker 8: I'm like sure, because I thought he was going to

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Speaker 8: give it to his friends. I said, why, he goes,

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Speaker 8: I want to put one in my locker. So when

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Speaker 8: I see it, I want to put one in my car.

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Speaker 8: So when I'm feeling something, I want to be able

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Speaker 8: to grab it and read the word. And I want

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Speaker 8: to put it in my bathroom so when I wake

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Speaker 8: up in the morning, the first thing I see is

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Speaker 8: this car. And it was a practical thing for people

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Speaker 8: to remind themselves that the Word of God is living, inactive,

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Speaker 8: and it helps you to renew your.

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Speaker 2: Mind so good. You know.

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Speaker 1: I say that the Bible is the only book in

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Speaker 1: the universe that is living and breathing, you know. And

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Speaker 1: I challenge anyone if you haven't read the Bible, just

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Speaker 1: get a Bible. Get one you can understand in a

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Speaker 1: more modern vernacular. Okay, sometimes in King James is hard

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Speaker 1: but get it. And I just challenge you just to start.

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Speaker 1: of Matthew, and just start reading. And you're going to

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Speaker 1: be shocked at what the Word of God will do

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Speaker 1: in and through you. You know, when someone says that scripture,

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Speaker 1: I am the righteousness of God in Christ Jesus, that's

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Speaker 1: really a powerful scripture to say over ourselves. I know

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Speaker 1: people who have been struggling with addictions or certain sins,

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Speaker 1: but they love God and they just begin to quote

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Speaker 1: that scripture. I am the righteousness of God in Christ Jesus.

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Speaker 1: And eventually they started noticing the Holy Spirit helping them

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Speaker 1: to wean from some of these addictions, some of these

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Speaker 1: things going on. How can the Word of God do that?

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Speaker 1: I mean, how is it possible?

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Speaker 8: Because and when you're saying that, here's the thought that

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Speaker 8: came to me, Jony, you walk into freedom. So when

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Speaker 8: you start believing the Word, you start walking in freedom.

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Speaker 8: You said you will know the truth, and the truth

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Speaker 8: will make you free. And so the more you meditate,

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Speaker 8: the more you talk about that, the more you say,

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Speaker 8: I am the right and you know what I said,

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Speaker 8: I said this. You need to quote that verse when

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Speaker 8: you've done something you should have done, because you need

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Speaker 8: to bring yourself back to I am the righteous of

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Speaker 8: God in Christ Jesus.

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Speaker 5: I am made righteous.

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Speaker 8: By Him, not by what I have done, but what

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Speaker 8: He has done. And so I think it's important for

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Speaker 8: us to identify who we are in Christ and what

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Speaker 8: Christ is accomplished, and with what Christ has done, and

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Speaker 8: what does that mean for me as a believer. And

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Speaker 8: I think we should be more Jesus conscious than sin conscious.

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Speaker 8: Now we should put our mind on things above, not

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Speaker 8: things below. I have been given the mind of Christ.

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Speaker 8: This is all on the Bible for ends, It's all

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Speaker 8: in there. And I'm still growing in this. I'm still

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Speaker 8: seeing God change me as I continue to change my

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Speaker 5: And it is a life. It's the only book that's

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Speaker 5: what did you say?

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Speaker 2: It's living and breathing.

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Speaker 5: It's living and breathing.

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Speaker 1: The thing about God is a God of grace and

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Speaker 1: mercy and love.

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Speaker 2: But at the same time, it's important.

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Speaker 1: I think that when we're going through a storm, we're

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Speaker 1: going through something like that, it's really important to be

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Speaker 1: connected to a local church.

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Speaker 2: And I'm a product of a local church.

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Speaker 1: And I think it's important to have a body of

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Speaker 1: believers that can encourage you and also someone that you

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Speaker 1: can trust that if you're going through a difficult season,

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Speaker 1: that you can shine the light on some of the darkness.

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Speaker 2: Because a lot of people, just like you said, Rachel, they're.

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Speaker 1: Chained up there in the dark and they've got all

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Speaker 1: this hidden stuff going on. How do people like that

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Speaker 1: deal with that? I mean, how important is it just

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Speaker 8: One hundred percent I think what you said was so

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Speaker 8: is so important because you've heard that. We've all heard this.

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Speaker 8: God can't heal what you don't reveal. So when I

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Speaker 8: confess my faults one to another that I may be healed.

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Speaker 2: Think that that's a powerful verse.

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Speaker 8: No, it is, And what is that telling us if

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Speaker 8: I hold it in if I keep it in secret,

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Speaker 8: the addiction, whatever I'm dealing with. That's why you need

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Speaker 8: to be in community. Community is not only caring, but

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Speaker 8: it's healing. So I have guys in my life that

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Speaker 8: I'm going to pick up the phone and say, man,

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Speaker 8: I'm going through this, this was I'm being challenged here.

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Speaker 8: And when you have that support system that reaffirms the

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Speaker 8: word of God in your life, man, that's a powerful combination.

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Speaker 8: So I have my friends and they say, hey, remember

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Speaker 8: what God's saying, Remember what God has done in your life.

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Speaker 5: I think that's powerful too.

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Speaker 8: I think all of us can look back and say,

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Speaker 8: you know, man, God brought me through this. He brought

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Speaker 8: me through that. You said he brought you through the

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Speaker 8: first marriage. I mean, for me, gratitude is so powerful

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Speaker 8: because it breaks things off of me.

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Speaker 5: So I, okay, what are you grateful for?

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Speaker 8: Benny, okay, And I practice gratitude in my life. I'm

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Speaker 8: grateful for the little things sometimes, but the big massive things. Okay, God,

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Speaker 8: you did it here, you will do it for me.

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Speaker 8: But definitely having people in your life that you can

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Speaker 8: talk to when you're going through some tough times, that's good.

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Speaker 2: That's so good.

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Speaker 1: Well, we are out of time and went really fast,

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Speaker 1: and I want you to remember. First Corinthians reminds us

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Speaker 1: we have the mind of Christ.

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Speaker 2: This means we can't access his thoughts.

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Speaker 1: His wisdom is perspective for everything happening in our lives.

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Speaker 1: When we allow the Holy Spirit to transform our mindset,

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Speaker 1: we can truly think and walk like Jesus. And if

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Speaker 1: you're watching today and you don't know Jesus, that is

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Speaker 1: the most important decision that you can.

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Speaker 2: Make and always say you just call on his name.

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Speaker 1: The Bible says, if we confess our sins, He's faithful

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Speaker 1: and just to forgive us of all our sins and

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Speaker 1: cleanses from all unrighteousness. It's all we have to say,

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Speaker 1: is Jesus, forgive me. I want to make you lord

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Speaker 1: my life today and he will meet you right where

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Speaker 1: you are. There's a number on the screen. We have

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Speaker 1: prayer partnerstanding Ry. We love to pray with you and

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Speaker 1: I would love to just send you the Gospel of

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Speaker 1: John if you prayed that prayer, it's a great place

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Speaker 1: to start in the Word of God.

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Speaker 2: And that's just our free gift to you.

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Speaker 1: And again I want to thank Pastor Benny for joining

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Speaker 1: us today. Be sure to get a copy of his book,

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Speaker 1: Thinking Like Jesus, a Practical Guide to encountering the Words

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Speaker 1: and Wisdom of Jesus. A great, great book for you

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Speaker 1: to get. I'm sure you can get it Amazon or just.

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Speaker 8: Anywhere Amazon or my website Benny Prayers dot com.

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Speaker 1: Okay, and of course he said you can visit him

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Speaker 1: online at Benny Perez dot com. Get it there as

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Speaker 1: Pastor Benny, don't be stranger, come back and be with us.

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Speaker 5: Listen. I just want to come to the table a

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Speaker 5: thank you for being here.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for your wisdom.

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Speaker 1: Hey, I'm really excited if some of you are gonna

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Speaker 1: it's gonna break. I mean things that have just been

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Speaker 1: bombarding your mind and your heart. God's going to begin

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Speaker 1: to open that up, and you're going to begin to

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Speaker 1: walk with him and trust him in a way that

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Speaker 1: you never have. And there's going to be a peace

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Speaker 1: that's coming. So you get ready for it. We'll see

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Speaker 1: you next time.

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Speaker 11: Bye bye for today.

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Speaker 1: Well, you know, taking on the struggling ministry your organization

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Speaker 1: can be challenging, especially when you didn't create it, but

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Speaker 1: some individuals are called to restore and rebuild. In today's

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Speaker 1: guests can encourage and empower leaders from his new book, Releader,

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Speaker 1: How to Fix what You Didn't Break. But before we

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Speaker 1: get to that, join me around the table as Kendrick

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Speaker 1: Kelly Dean. Hey, how do you like that title?

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Speaker 2: I love it?

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Speaker 12: Releading, Releading. Here's the thing God has given us. All

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Speaker 12: special gifts are relig absolutely and I love fixing things

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Speaker 12: like rehabilitation is one of my gifts and I love it.

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Speaker 12: It's so funny restoring things. But a lot of people

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Speaker 12: God has gifted them with that strategic mindset and I

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Speaker 12: think it's wonderful that we can use those gifts in

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Speaker 12: the body and help churches who might need an extra

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Speaker 12: oomph to get over that hump and just watch them

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Speaker 12: succeed and excel and watch the whole church be healthy.

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Speaker 1: Well, yeah, because you have an interesting perspective because you

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Speaker 1: and your husband Dusty, yep, you begin to lead a

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Speaker 1: church that you didn't actually start exactly, and we're going

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Speaker 1: to be talking about that, or a business or organization

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Speaker 1: maybe when.

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Speaker 12: You're and you're inheriting, you're inheriting staff that maybe you

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Speaker 12: didn't hire as well, and we're talking we're there for

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Speaker 12: the others, but now you're trying to win them over

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Speaker 12: to you. I mean, it's a whole thing. But we

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Speaker 12: need people like this and their giftings.

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Speaker 2: We doti ful, we do.

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Speaker 1: Dorothy, You you know, work in the secular world. Yes,

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Speaker 1: have a very important position. Hr Yes, and you came

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Speaker 1: into something.

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Speaker 2: Where you're relating right.

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Speaker 9: Absolutely, you know this is really good. I always say

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Speaker 9: to them employees, you know, all of us, no matter

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Speaker 9: what position you are, how to do you're leading. If

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Speaker 9: people are not following you something is wrong. And I'm

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Speaker 9: not talking about social media followers.

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Speaker 2: I'm talking about thank you very much.

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Speaker 11: Yes, right, let's come on.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So it's so important. That's good.

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Speaker 1: So I think it's neat the ministry and the business perspective.

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Speaker 1: It's a it's good to have Cindy Johnson at the table.

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Speaker 1: I'm thinking about you and your husband starting at church

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Speaker 1: and now you have transitioned in a positive way.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, think's good.

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Speaker 1: Yes, but still someone's coming in that's not you, guys,

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Speaker 1: and you.

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Speaker 2: Were there for thirty years.

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Speaker 4: Yes, and it had to We had to have strategic

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Speaker 4: planning because we wanted people to love the person that

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Speaker 4: was coming in, and we had to take time the case.

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Speaker 1: That not always I know it is the case with you,

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Speaker 1: but I'm just saying no, it's not.

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Speaker 2: Always the case.

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Speaker 4: And it is difficult for the church for the people

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Speaker 4: that have been there to transition and they feel almost

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Speaker 4: like they're being they're not holding on to what was

667
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Speaker 4: the people they loved that they're releasing them.

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Speaker 2: But you're not. You're just it's just a new season.

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Speaker 2: That's good. Cindy Murdoch, how are you. I'm doing well?

670
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Speaker 1: Thank you You've been in several releading positions, my goodness,

671
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Speaker 1: and you do think about you coming in at different

672
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Speaker 1: junctures to lead worship in churches or to travel, and

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Speaker 1: you know.

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Speaker 7: So many, so many different avenues that and platforms. And

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Speaker 7: I was thinking about the song I want to spend

676
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Speaker 7: my life mending broken people. And I think that when

677
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Speaker 7: you relead oftentimes you have to somewhat have that mentality

678
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Speaker 7: that there's going to be broken people, broken emotions, all

679
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Speaker 7: kinds of things, like Cindy was saying, when people have

680
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Speaker 7: to let go or something happens in a leader, and

681
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Speaker 7: so it is that.

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Speaker 2: We're going to go there.

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Speaker 1: Well, he is a pastor, author and founder of Releader.

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Speaker 1: Please welcome John Chasting. Come on in, John, come on.

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Speaker 5: In, and.

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Speaker 10: Good, good, good good.

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Speaker 2: Did you ever think you'd write this book?

688
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Speaker 10: I didn't. I didn't. I didn't even know what this

689
00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:45,720
Speaker 10: was until a guy helped me discover who I am

690
00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:49,000
Speaker 10: in a conversation and he ended up forwarding my book.

691
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Speaker 10: I was having this conversation and he said that would

692
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Speaker 10: be Craig is Craig and he said, hey, let's do

693
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Speaker 10: some pastors round tables and for church planting. And I

694
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Speaker 10: just said, know how to do that. I don't know how

695
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Speaker 10: to plant churches. And he goes, then what is it

696
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Speaker 10: that you do? And I don't know if you ever

697
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Speaker 10: had something come up out of your stomach say it.

698
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Speaker 5: Before me to say it.

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Speaker 10: No, I said, I just said I fixed broke stuff.

700
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Speaker 10: And he said, what do you mean by that? And

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Speaker 10: I said, Man, everything I've ever done, I've never started

702
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Speaker 10: a church, I've never built, I've never I've always restarted, rebuilt, regrown,

703
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Speaker 10: And I just saw this pattern in my life, whether

704
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Speaker 10: it was a university, higher ed church, even secular jobs

705
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Speaker 10: I had. So yeah, he said, then you need to

706
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Speaker 10: do that, and so that's that's where it came from.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Well I love this.

708
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Speaker 1: It says how to fix what you didn't break, and

709
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Speaker 1: of course your your personal story.

710
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Speaker 2: I know you know parts of that.

711
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Speaker 1: Where there was a moral failure in a very beautiful

712
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Speaker 1: church with beautiful people. And I think that's probably the

713
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Speaker 1: thing that gets to me more than anything else, is

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Speaker 1: all the innocent people that are sometimes impacted by bad

715
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Speaker 1: decisions that a leader may make. And that's why we

716
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Speaker 1: have such a huge responsibility. Too much is given, much

717
00:34:05,520 --> 00:34:09,239
Speaker 1: is required. But anyway here you are, you find your

718
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Speaker 1: position you find yourself moving into the position of helping

719
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Speaker 1: lead this church that you didn't start, that has all

720
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Speaker 1: these employees and all these systems, and.

721
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Speaker 5: All this broke.

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Speaker 2: Tell us a little bit about that.

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Speaker 1: Did you kind of have skid marks?

724
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Speaker 10: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Absolutely mean I got so many skid marks from this.

726
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Speaker 10: Well. I never wanted to be a pastor. Like I

727
00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:35,120
Speaker 10: was in higher ed. All of my degrees are in

728
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Speaker 10: higher education. I was a vice president at the university.

729
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Speaker 10: I ended up becoming a campus pastor. I was attending

730
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Speaker 10: Victory Church. I just attended it. I ended up long

731
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Speaker 10: story short, became a campus pastor there for three years,

732
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Speaker 10: and then whenever the moral failure happened, they asked me

733
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Speaker 10: to be the interim, which I thought was I thought

734
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Speaker 10: they had lost their mind, Like why would you want

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Speaker 10: me to do this?

736
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Speaker 1: Because so many times Pastor John, and I'll say this

737
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Speaker 1: to pastors, the gift is within.

738
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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, we'll go.

739
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Speaker 1: Search it everywhere out because he is right there in

740
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Speaker 1: front of you.

741
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Speaker 2: He'll just recognize it.

742
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Speaker 1: And our dear friend that we love here at the table,

743
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Speaker 1: Jimmy Evans recognized that.

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Speaker 10: Yeah. Yeah, So I was in a room with Jimmy

745
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Speaker 10: and he was beating with someone else in our church

746
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Speaker 10: about another topic. And I had just met Jimmy Evans.

747
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Speaker 10: I didn't I didn't know who Jimmy.

748
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Speaker 2: Evans was, including he was, you didn't even know the

749
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Speaker 2: marriage guy.

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Speaker 10: I didn't know anything about it. I didn't know anything

751
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Speaker 10: about him. And they talked for a little bit and

752
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Speaker 10: I had just shook his hand and sat down, and

753
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Speaker 10: he said, let me stop you that you're senior pastor

754
00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:34,360
Speaker 10: right there, and I was, I was thinking, who's behind me?

755
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Speaker 10: Behind me?

756
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Speaker 1: So, yeah, Jimmy's you know, somebody did that to him

757
00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:40,880
Speaker 1: like an amill right, same thing. I know, that couple

758
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Speaker 1: that story that just said, you know, God's annoying is

759
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Speaker 1: on you and I'm gonna yeah, And he was like, what,

760
00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:48,239
Speaker 1: you know the same thing.

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Speaker 9: Yeah.

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Speaker 10: And if it hadn't been for him and other men

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Speaker 10: in my life that that just believed in me and

764
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Speaker 10: helped me because releading is his lonely business. It's hard work. Yes, yeah,

765
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Speaker 10: it's really challenging. So yeah, that's that's how I got

766
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Speaker 10: where I'm at.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm just going to start around the table and

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Speaker 1: y'all go. I know, Kendrick, you have a question you like.

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Speaker 12: To ask what is some of the best advice that

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Speaker 12: you could give, because actually, Sandy and I both have

771
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Speaker 12: been in this situation where my husband's grandfather founded the church,

772
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Speaker 12: then his dad pastor the church, and now we're pastoring

773
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Speaker 12: the church together, and so it can be.

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Speaker 1: I've seen totally different types of leadership.

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Speaker 12: Yeah, but at the same time, the church is sixty

776
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Speaker 12: four years old and that's beautiful, right.

777
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Speaker 10: How it should be is how it should it be.

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Speaker 2: Multi generation is.

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Speaker 12: But we have some friends where it didn't go so

780
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Speaker 12: smoothly for them, And so what do you think is

781
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Speaker 12: a really key component whenever you're especially when it's family,

782
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Speaker 12: because family's tricky, especial when're talking about finances and staff

783
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Speaker 12: and all these things that come together and.

784
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Speaker 2: Even entitlement and all of that. But an honor is

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Speaker 2: so important. But what are some.

786
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Speaker 12: Key components that they have to come to the table

787
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Speaker 12: with first for there to be a harmonious transition.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, I think I write about this in my book

789
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Speaker 10: a little bit. A lot of my book is about

790
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Speaker 10: how Solomon built the temple Nebukan, Ezra came and tore

791
00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:09,759
Speaker 10: it down, the rebel bul came and rebuilt what he

792
00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:13,799
Speaker 10: didn't break, and it really is this step by step process. Well,

793
00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:16,839
Speaker 10: there's this really fascinating passage that says they built they

794
00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:21,720
Speaker 10: built the altar on its foundation, and then they built

795
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Speaker 10: the foundation. And you're like, wait a minute, that doesn't

796
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Speaker 10: make any sense. They built the altar on its foundation,

797
00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:30,000
Speaker 10: and then they built the foundation. And so it's the

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Speaker 10: foundation is the temple mount it's right there where the

799
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Speaker 10: gold dome is, right. So they didn't have to rebuild

800
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Speaker 10: that temple. I mean, they didn't rebuild that foundation. It

801
00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:39,799
Speaker 10: was already there. And what I think every releader has

802
00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:44,280
Speaker 10: to understand is long before you ever came, God spoke God.

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Speaker 10: God called a man or a woman to do a work.

804
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Speaker 10: And when the releader comes in, it's not my job

805
00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:51,640
Speaker 10: to say I get to do whatever I want. I

806
00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:53,280
Speaker 10: got to go back and say, what was the original

807
00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:55,680
Speaker 10: foundation that God said to build this on?

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Speaker 2: And what was the vision? That's important?

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Speaker 1: Yes, I mean absolutely, it's the mission statement if you

810
00:38:01,480 --> 00:38:02,239
Speaker 1: will is like and you.

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Speaker 10: Can even articulate it a little bit differently, right, but

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Speaker 10: the culture of the vibe, so even Victory Church, Mark

813
00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:09,640
Speaker 10: Crow is the founder, is an amazing man, amazing leader,

814
00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:12,960
Speaker 10: amazing preacher. Made one mistake. You know, so it doesn't

815
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Speaker 10: discount all of the great things that God did exact

816
00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:19,040
Speaker 10: and the foundation that was built on. And so they

817
00:38:19,120 --> 00:38:20,920
Speaker 10: used to always say Victory Church is a hospital for

818
00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:24,760
Speaker 10: the hurting. So we still are. You know, that doesn't change,

819
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Speaker 10: that doesn't stop. So I think that's critical. And then

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Speaker 10: I think the second thing and then love to hear

821
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Speaker 10: any thoughts, is I think the biggest mistake that most

822
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Speaker 10: leaders make is they know what to do, because that

823
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Speaker 10: can be dangerous because anybody that's sharp knows what to do,

824
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Speaker 10: the problem is they don't know how to do it

825
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Speaker 10: or when to do it. Most leaders come in, they

826
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Speaker 10: see all the things they want to change, and they

827
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Speaker 10: just change it, not realizing that you're giving the entire

828
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Speaker 10: organization whiplash because they're so used to We've been doing

829
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Speaker 10: it this way for ten, twenty thirty years.

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Speaker 1: Can you call that an organizational whiplash? Yes, that's when

831
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Speaker 1: someone comes in and it's like, well, I don't like

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Speaker 1: the way they do any of that stuff.

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Speaker 10: We're just gonna Yeah, any leader can or this.

834
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Speaker 12: Need to prove yourself so badly that you totally undo

835
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Speaker 12: all the beautiful day.

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Speaker 2: True, it is an insecurity.

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Speaker 10: The analogy I use is if you've ever been on

838
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Speaker 10: a cruise ship. You can sit in a cruise ship.

839
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Speaker 10: You could be in the in the kitchen, in the

840
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Speaker 10: dining room, and in your bed sleeping, and the ship

841
00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:21,960
Speaker 10: is turning one hundred and eighty degrees. And the best

842
00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:24,080
Speaker 10: captains can do it without anybody on the boat knowing

843
00:39:24,080 --> 00:39:28,880
Speaker 10: they're doing it. Just the slow, slow, steady, there's no releading.

844
00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:33,000
Speaker 10: Is a marathon, not a sprint, And any leader can

845
00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:35,200
Speaker 10: grab a wheel and turn it hard, but you're going

846
00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:37,799
Speaker 10: to throw everybody off the boat. And so I think

847
00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:41,040
Speaker 10: patience is so critical and releading.

848
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Speaker 1: And over time your fruit will speak for itself and

849
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Speaker 1: that helps to build trust. So again that word comes

850
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Speaker 1: in patience, that you have to be patient through the process,

851
00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:55,680
Speaker 1: but in time your fruit will speak for itself. You

852
00:39:55,680 --> 00:39:58,600
Speaker 1: don't have to defend yourself, You don't have to explain

853
00:39:58,680 --> 00:39:59,680
Speaker 1: who or what you are.

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Speaker 2: That go I'd put you there.

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Speaker 10: So I'll tell you a story of my friend Jimmy Evans.

856
00:40:02,719 --> 00:40:04,640
Speaker 10: Our friend Jimmy Evans called me. It was about I

857
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Speaker 10: was probably a year in and Jimmy always I would

858
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Speaker 10: always look on my phone and it would say Jimmy

859
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Speaker 10: Evans on the color idea always when I was in

860
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Speaker 10: an emotional fetal position. And Jimmy, you know, you guys

861
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Speaker 10: have heard Jimmy talking like John Chest. John Chest, let

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Speaker 10: me tell you something.

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Speaker 2: When he calls, he's like, John, Johnny, this is Jimmy.

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Speaker 10: Like, we don't know. He's always got something to say.

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Speaker 10: He don't call for anything. And he said, John, the

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Speaker 10: Lord showed me something this morning while I was praying

867
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Speaker 10: for you. He said that you've you woke up and

868
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Speaker 10: you're standing in the middle of a field and you're

869
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Speaker 10: looking around at the harvest and you don't like the harvest.

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Speaker 10: But the Lord says, stop focusing on the harvest because

871
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Speaker 10: you didn't plant those seeds. And that's the frustrating thing

872
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Speaker 10: about really is you're standing in the middle of somebody

873
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Speaker 10: else's harvest. I didn't hire these people. I didn't set

874
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Speaker 10: this culture. I didn't I didn't list these core values.

875
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Speaker 10: I didn't build these buildings. I'd have picked a different

876
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Speaker 10: colored carpet everything. And he said, he said, just take

877
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Speaker 10: your eye off the harvest and start throwing down seed.

878
00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:06,520
Speaker 10: And he said, and there will come a day and

879
00:41:06,520 --> 00:41:09,160
Speaker 10: he was right. Took about five years. He said, there

880
00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:11,239
Speaker 10: will come a day that you'll wake up and you'll

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Speaker 10: be standing in your harvest.

882
00:41:12,840 --> 00:41:13,479
Speaker 2: Oh wow.

883
00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:16,680
Speaker 10: And that helped me so much to just where I

884
00:41:16,719 --> 00:41:19,239
Speaker 10: was focusing my attention. I wassed to focusing on my

885
00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:21,800
Speaker 10: attention on things that I didn't build, I didn't create.

886
00:41:22,120 --> 00:41:24,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know, like you said earlier, I think,

887
00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:29,760
Speaker 1: you know a lot of times it maybe wasn't God's

888
00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:33,640
Speaker 1: will for to lose that leader in that time or season, Okay,

889
00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:37,640
Speaker 1: for whatever reason sind death, sickness, I don't know. I mean,

890
00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:39,840
Speaker 1: we'll only know the answer to those questions and eternity

891
00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:43,400
Speaker 1: some of those questions. But like you said, to honor

892
00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:46,840
Speaker 1: those good things that they did, yes, you know, and

893
00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:50,120
Speaker 1: to celebrate those But a lot of times you see

894
00:41:50,120 --> 00:41:52,839
Speaker 1: releaders come in and their insecure, and they just they

895
00:41:52,920 --> 00:41:54,520
Speaker 1: do that like you said that they want to make

896
00:41:54,520 --> 00:41:58,560
Speaker 1: as And so I think, how important is honor and

897
00:41:58,640 --> 00:42:02,840
Speaker 1: respect even you know the whole horrid story.

898
00:42:02,440 --> 00:42:04,839
Speaker 2: Behind the scenes. I mean, God honors that?

899
00:42:04,840 --> 00:42:08,120
Speaker 10: Does God honors that? And it's I read a book.

900
00:42:08,160 --> 00:42:10,520
Speaker 10: Jump Overy wrote a book called Honors Reward, and it

901
00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:14,400
Speaker 10: radically changed my approach in that season because so we

902
00:42:14,400 --> 00:42:16,680
Speaker 10: would honor all the time. I would get up and honor.

903
00:42:17,239 --> 00:42:19,520
Speaker 10: The former pastor's wife actually still attends our church. She

904
00:42:19,560 --> 00:42:21,480
Speaker 10: sits on the front road every week. We honor her,

905
00:42:21,600 --> 00:42:24,120
Speaker 10: We take care of her. She's the matriarch in a

906
00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:26,560
Speaker 10: sense to our church, and so we want to honor her.

907
00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:28,719
Speaker 10: My wife makes way for that. She's the matriarch of

908
00:42:28,719 --> 00:42:30,200
Speaker 10: this place, and we want to we want to love her.

909
00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:32,160
Speaker 1: God, you do that because you know how many times

910
00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:34,120
Speaker 1: they're swept asidage and they didn't do anything.

911
00:42:34,200 --> 00:42:36,560
Speaker 10: Well, we just had we just we just in August

912
00:42:36,560 --> 00:42:39,239
Speaker 10: had our thirty year anniversary of our church. We did

913
00:42:39,239 --> 00:42:42,600
Speaker 10: a whole video production honoring Mark and Jennifer Crow. I

914
00:42:42,719 --> 00:42:45,440
Speaker 10: honor them right now. They're amazing leaders. God used them

915
00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:49,400
Speaker 10: to build an amazing church, and one mistake doesn't negate

916
00:42:49,480 --> 00:42:52,600
Speaker 10: a lifetime of obedience and faithfulness. And so I think

917
00:42:52,640 --> 00:42:54,920
Speaker 10: honors is a huge And here's the thing when we

918
00:42:55,040 --> 00:42:58,560
Speaker 10: when when releaders honor their predecessor instead of pushing off

919
00:42:58,600 --> 00:43:03,520
Speaker 10: of them. Yes, people are attracted to that. They see

920
00:43:03,560 --> 00:43:05,640
Speaker 10: you as a bigger person. If you can do that.

921
00:43:05,760 --> 00:43:09,279
Speaker 1: As long as God has someone or has appointed someone

922
00:43:09,320 --> 00:43:13,440
Speaker 1: to be in office, you honor that office and you

923
00:43:13,520 --> 00:43:15,920
Speaker 1: allow God to do what he has to do to

924
00:43:16,040 --> 00:43:20,799
Speaker 1: correct you think about David and King Saul. I mean,

925
00:43:20,840 --> 00:43:24,759
Speaker 1: even when David was so amazing with King Saul and

926
00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:26,879
Speaker 1: that he honored him through all the crazies that King.

927
00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:28,759
Speaker 2: Saul is trying to do to him. But the one

928
00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:29,239
Speaker 2: time that.

929
00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:32,320
Speaker 1: He did cut a little piece of the road, and

930
00:43:32,760 --> 00:43:35,600
Speaker 1: the servant brought it back and he said, do you

931
00:43:35,680 --> 00:43:42,040
Speaker 1: not fear the once anointed robe in office of the

932
00:43:43,239 --> 00:43:47,280
Speaker 1: God's anointed? And then David immediately repented for even cutting

933
00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:50,160
Speaker 1: off because he had killed him, right, but he still

934
00:43:50,200 --> 00:43:52,640
Speaker 1: respected and honored him, and he let God deal with it.

935
00:43:52,760 --> 00:43:57,440
Speaker 1: So many times you see people interfering with that before

936
00:43:57,640 --> 00:44:00,799
Speaker 1: the timing. That's important to let God deal with that

937
00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:01,399
Speaker 1: office is.

938
00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:04,480
Speaker 10: Yeah, David is a perfect example of this over and

939
00:44:04,520 --> 00:44:06,719
Speaker 10: over and over again. You see him doing this even

940
00:44:06,719 --> 00:44:10,480
Speaker 10: when even when they killed him, yes, yes, and even

941
00:44:10,520 --> 00:44:13,720
Speaker 10: when Absolom took the kingdom and they went and killed Absolom,

942
00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:16,839
Speaker 10: he was heartbroken. He was heartbroken. He grieved over that,

943
00:44:16,920 --> 00:44:18,359
Speaker 10: you know. So, yeah, honor is such a big.

944
00:44:18,280 --> 00:44:20,480
Speaker 1: Because his heart was just something that would speak through

945
00:44:20,480 --> 00:44:22,520
Speaker 1: the whole Bible. He'd did the greatest King of Issuel

946
00:44:22,600 --> 00:44:24,799
Speaker 1: and even the New Testament God would say, he's a

947
00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:26,799
Speaker 1: man after my own heart, and that's part of the

948
00:44:26,840 --> 00:44:27,680
Speaker 1: reason why.

949
00:44:28,320 --> 00:44:30,719
Speaker 7: So enda you have a question, I do have a

950
00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:33,040
Speaker 7: question for I say that, I just think even this

951
00:44:33,120 --> 00:44:35,080
Speaker 7: teaching is great for corporations.

952
00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:38,919
Speaker 8: Absolutely, this is amazing, Absolutely absolutely, How.

953
00:44:38,840 --> 00:44:42,160
Speaker 7: Would what would you say to releaders that are coming in,

954
00:44:42,160 --> 00:44:45,680
Speaker 7: maybe churchurch or maybe corporation, but when there's sometimes a

955
00:44:45,760 --> 00:44:46,839
Speaker 7: mass exodus?

956
00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:48,000
Speaker 10: Yep?

957
00:44:48,160 --> 00:44:52,440
Speaker 7: How does the like you coming in and not focus

958
00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:55,200
Speaker 7: on the mass exodus or those that have left? But

959
00:44:55,280 --> 00:44:57,480
Speaker 7: how what is the right thing and how do you

960
00:44:57,520 --> 00:44:58,520
Speaker 7: focus on that center?

961
00:44:58,640 --> 00:44:59,719
Speaker 2: Still affected by that?

962
00:45:00,320 --> 00:45:02,120
Speaker 10: There's no way to not be affected by it. I

963
00:45:02,120 --> 00:45:06,920
Speaker 10: mean I probably lost. I would say we landed somewhere

964
00:45:06,920 --> 00:45:09,799
Speaker 10: around losing about thirty five percent of our congregation, which

965
00:45:09,840 --> 00:45:11,200
Speaker 10: is about average thirty to forty.

966
00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:13,239
Speaker 2: And you're telling the Lord I had nothing to do

967
00:45:13,280 --> 00:45:16,960
Speaker 2: with it. But it's hard not to take that on.

968
00:45:17,200 --> 00:45:20,680
Speaker 10: Oh, it's so hard, so hard, because there's there's always

969
00:45:20,680 --> 00:45:22,120
Speaker 10: a wave. This is a I help a lot of

970
00:45:22,200 --> 00:45:25,839
Speaker 10: churches in this area. There's a wave. There's the initial departure, right,

971
00:45:26,120 --> 00:45:28,279
Speaker 10: and then the interim comes in. Thank God for the

972
00:45:28,320 --> 00:45:31,399
Speaker 10: interim and the work that they do. Most people there's

973
00:45:31,480 --> 00:45:34,239
Speaker 10: there's a first wave of leaving. There's a second wave

974
00:45:34,239 --> 00:45:35,440
Speaker 10: of people that are like, well, we're going to sit

975
00:45:35,440 --> 00:45:39,359
Speaker 10: around and see who who they pick. Then they bring

976
00:45:39,360 --> 00:45:41,320
Speaker 10: in who they pick, and then there's a second wave.

977
00:45:42,200 --> 00:45:44,759
Speaker 10: That one hurts. Yeah, that one's really hard not to

978
00:45:44,840 --> 00:45:47,480
Speaker 10: take it over that. You know, I don't know that

979
00:45:47,520 --> 00:45:48,640
Speaker 10: I did a great job of it.

980
00:45:48,680 --> 00:45:54,360
Speaker 5: Honestly, they're still kidding. I's right, you know.

981
00:45:54,440 --> 00:45:56,200
Speaker 10: I there is a part of the book that I

982
00:45:56,200 --> 00:45:58,759
Speaker 10: write about this concept of the work God did in

983
00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:03,160
Speaker 10: me is not focusing on who left, but who's left good?

984
00:46:03,320 --> 00:46:04,040
Speaker 10: Who is left?

985
00:46:04,239 --> 00:46:05,080
Speaker 2: Yes, who stayed?

986
00:46:05,120 --> 00:46:08,799
Speaker 10: Who stayed because those people are with you. Let me

987
00:46:08,800 --> 00:46:12,280
Speaker 10: tell you something, if somebody, if somebody stays that long,

988
00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:16,200
Speaker 10: in that big of a wound, they were with you

989
00:46:16,239 --> 00:46:16,960
Speaker 10: one hundred percent.

990
00:46:17,360 --> 00:46:19,920
Speaker 1: Not to mention the new people that are coming. Yes, yes,

991
00:46:19,960 --> 00:46:24,240
Speaker 1: because I remember I had this talk with Kindred.

992
00:46:22,600 --> 00:46:25,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I did you remember that?

993
00:46:25,480 --> 00:46:26,080
Speaker 5: Yes? I did?

994
00:46:26,120 --> 00:46:30,359
Speaker 1: And you know, can focus on something or someone who

995
00:46:30,400 --> 00:46:32,799
Speaker 1: may leave, yes, but focus on the new ones.

996
00:46:33,360 --> 00:46:34,879
Speaker 2: Right that God's steward is so.

997
00:46:34,840 --> 00:46:36,080
Speaker 5: Good and it is.

998
00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:37,920
Speaker 12: It is difficult to do that because you.

999
00:46:37,880 --> 00:46:40,560
Speaker 2: Think so hard. I have given so much.

1000
00:46:42,920 --> 00:46:43,640
Speaker 5: To be with them.

1001
00:46:43,680 --> 00:46:47,320
Speaker 2: And I gave them this, and I guess my daughter's

1002
00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:48,239
Speaker 2: close to them.

1003
00:46:48,440 --> 00:46:50,719
Speaker 10: My God, well you know you know who leaves are

1004
00:46:50,760 --> 00:46:53,040
Speaker 10: the ones that you've invested the most in. It feels

1005
00:46:53,120 --> 00:46:55,319
Speaker 10: like it feels like I did your wedding. I was

1006
00:46:55,360 --> 00:46:57,320
Speaker 10: at the funeral. I went to see you in the hospital.

1007
00:46:57,719 --> 00:46:59,280
Speaker 10: Those leads, those hurt.

1008
00:46:59,440 --> 00:47:02,400
Speaker 4: Right, but wait for you and the old God allows

1009
00:47:02,440 --> 00:47:05,919
Speaker 4: that sometimes because it does make you do.

1010
00:47:05,880 --> 00:47:06,880
Speaker 5: Some interesting.

1011
00:47:08,280 --> 00:47:09,440
Speaker 2: Okay, was that about me?

1012
00:47:09,920 --> 00:47:10,200
Speaker 11: God?

1013
00:47:10,880 --> 00:47:14,200
Speaker 10: What the Lord showed me was was Gideon's army. You know,

1014
00:47:14,239 --> 00:47:17,719
Speaker 10: I went from thirty two thousand to three hundred. Now,

1015
00:47:17,800 --> 00:47:19,799
Speaker 10: my church didn't shrink that much. I think if my

1016
00:47:19,840 --> 00:47:21,319
Speaker 10: church church would have shrink that much, I would have

1017
00:47:21,320 --> 00:47:24,879
Speaker 10: been in a major fetal position. But then you see

1018
00:47:24,880 --> 00:47:27,640
Speaker 10: what they go to do. So three hundred warriors. The

1019
00:47:27,680 --> 00:47:29,880
Speaker 10: Bible says that when they when the enemy came to

1020
00:47:29,920 --> 00:47:33,160
Speaker 10: attack them, so they couldn't count them, the camels and

1021
00:47:33,239 --> 00:47:35,520
Speaker 10: the and the and the chariots and all them. So

1022
00:47:35,640 --> 00:47:37,759
Speaker 10: it was as big as the number of sands on

1023
00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:41,919
Speaker 10: the seashore against three hundred and so Lord the Lord

1024
00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:44,200
Speaker 10: was like, John, guess what three hundred could do?

1025
00:47:44,480 --> 00:47:44,760
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1026
00:47:44,840 --> 00:47:46,520
Speaker 10: You know, so I know you're I know you're thirty

1027
00:47:46,520 --> 00:47:48,959
Speaker 10: percent less, John. I know you're thirty five percent less. John,

1028
00:47:49,200 --> 00:47:52,600
Speaker 10: But if you'll stop focusing on who left and just

1029
00:47:52,680 --> 00:47:54,920
Speaker 10: look at the warriors that I've got right here in

1030
00:47:54,960 --> 00:47:57,920
Speaker 10: your midst that we can still do some a really

1031
00:47:57,960 --> 00:47:58,600
Speaker 10: amazing thing.

1032
00:47:58,640 --> 00:48:00,440
Speaker 1: And then you've got new people now that have come

1033
00:48:00,480 --> 00:48:02,920
Speaker 1: that know nothing of the history of what happened we have.

1034
00:48:03,040 --> 00:48:04,719
Speaker 10: We're ten years in. I've been the senior pastor for

1035
00:48:04,800 --> 00:48:09,040
Speaker 10: ten years. Almost weekly someone so when did you start

1036
00:48:09,040 --> 00:48:11,640
Speaker 10: this church? John? They have no clue? You know, they

1037
00:48:11,640 --> 00:48:14,960
Speaker 10: have no clue. And I would say, you know, seventy

1038
00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:18,239
Speaker 10: percent probably by now of that church doesn't even know

1039
00:48:18,280 --> 00:48:20,399
Speaker 10: who the predecessor was, other than when we honor him.

1040
00:48:20,600 --> 00:48:22,759
Speaker 1: You know, I just as I was sitting here, I

1041
00:48:22,840 --> 00:48:25,880
Speaker 1: kept just seeing some of you that actually work in

1042
00:48:25,920 --> 00:48:28,799
Speaker 1: the secular world, and you've kind of been in a

1043
00:48:28,800 --> 00:48:32,000
Speaker 1: releader position, maybe been promoted, maybe you're doing something, and

1044
00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:33,320
Speaker 1: you're over a group of people that.

1045
00:48:33,680 --> 00:48:34,600
Speaker 2: You weren't before.

1046
00:48:35,400 --> 00:48:37,759
Speaker 1: And John can speak to this, but I think for

1047
00:48:37,880 --> 00:48:40,759
Speaker 1: me personally, what I have experienced, because we have three

1048
00:48:40,840 --> 00:48:41,960
Speaker 1: hundred employees.

1049
00:48:41,560 --> 00:48:47,319
Speaker 2: Here, is that a true leader lets.

1050
00:48:47,360 --> 00:48:49,920
Speaker 1: Those people that are under them you have a servant's

1051
00:48:49,920 --> 00:48:54,680
Speaker 1: heart and you understand that they need to understand that

1052
00:48:54,800 --> 00:48:57,719
Speaker 1: you care about them and their well being and that

1053
00:48:57,719 --> 00:48:58,320
Speaker 1: that's more.

1054
00:48:58,200 --> 00:48:59,880
Speaker 2: Important to you than even the work they do.

1055
00:49:00,120 --> 00:49:02,400
Speaker 1: Know, for us, we talk about you know, family is

1056
00:49:02,440 --> 00:49:06,520
Speaker 1: really important, and it's important to take care of people that.

1057
00:49:06,440 --> 00:49:10,200
Speaker 2: Are performing and doing well. But when you love people

1058
00:49:10,719 --> 00:49:11,640
Speaker 2: and you.

1059
00:49:11,440 --> 00:49:13,680
Speaker 1: Let them know you care about that, they have the

1060
00:49:13,760 --> 00:49:16,440
Speaker 1: insurance or then you know that you care about what

1061
00:49:16,560 --> 00:49:19,360
Speaker 1: happens with their family. Know, you can't get intrically involved

1062
00:49:19,360 --> 00:49:21,080
Speaker 1: in every and you have department heads and all that,

1063
00:49:21,480 --> 00:49:23,719
Speaker 1: but when they know the leader, the leader is a

1064
00:49:23,760 --> 00:49:24,359
Speaker 1: servant leader.

1065
00:49:24,400 --> 00:49:26,120
Speaker 2: Talk a little bit about that is that important?

1066
00:49:26,360 --> 00:49:28,919
Speaker 10: Absolutely? I mean, what's the old saying, no one knows

1067
00:49:28,960 --> 00:49:30,439
Speaker 10: what you know, No one cares what you know until

1068
00:49:30,440 --> 00:49:32,640
Speaker 10: they know how much you care. Yeah, and it all

1069
00:49:32,680 --> 00:49:34,960
Speaker 10: goes back to that building of trust, you know, and

1070
00:49:35,160 --> 00:49:38,000
Speaker 10: trust is gained by the spoonful. You know, trust is

1071
00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:39,440
Speaker 10: gained when you get out of your office and walk

1072
00:49:39,480 --> 00:49:41,000
Speaker 10: down the hallway and talk to people.

1073
00:49:40,880 --> 00:49:43,520
Speaker 1: About their kids, just say hi, just say how are

1074
00:49:43,600 --> 00:49:45,920
Speaker 1: you doing here? And a lot of times, you know,

1075
00:49:47,040 --> 00:49:49,480
Speaker 1: maybe you can't talk about God or Christian everything, but

1076
00:49:49,520 --> 00:49:51,839
Speaker 1: you can still show the love of God. I mean,

1077
00:49:51,880 --> 00:49:54,200
Speaker 1: you can take somebody out to lunch, you can give.

1078
00:49:54,080 --> 00:49:57,879
Speaker 2: Them a little gift certificate. You can, you know you can.

1079
00:49:58,280 --> 00:50:00,560
Speaker 1: I mean, the Holy Spirit will just let you know

1080
00:50:00,680 --> 00:50:02,960
Speaker 1: how to handle some of the most difficult personalities, and

1081
00:50:02,960 --> 00:50:05,359
Speaker 1: those scenes can totally turn around. Did you see that

1082
00:50:05,400 --> 00:50:07,480
Speaker 1: happen with some of the people that you were leading.

1083
00:50:07,560 --> 00:50:09,239
Speaker 1: You're thinking, Oh, God, you're gonna have to tell me.

1084
00:50:11,960 --> 00:50:14,319
Speaker 10: Yeah, I mean, and and you also see people that

1085
00:50:14,400 --> 00:50:16,520
Speaker 10: you know, just to just to play the other side

1086
00:50:16,520 --> 00:50:18,359
Speaker 10: of the card. You also see people that you look

1087
00:50:18,360 --> 00:50:19,719
Speaker 10: at them and you they're not going to make it.

1088
00:50:20,480 --> 00:50:23,960
Speaker 10: They're not gonna make it. And that's okay too, because.

1089
00:50:23,680 --> 00:50:30,480
Speaker 1: You know what, if they're not thriving, you love them

1090
00:50:30,480 --> 00:50:30,920
Speaker 1: through that.

1091
00:50:31,520 --> 00:50:34,400
Speaker 10: And I'm so grateful that we never had to let

1092
00:50:34,440 --> 00:50:37,200
Speaker 10: any but go. We never fired anyone, but we I

1093
00:50:37,280 --> 00:50:40,439
Speaker 10: praid some people out. I don't know if you're praid

1094
00:50:40,480 --> 00:50:42,759
Speaker 10: some people out before, So I did a little bit

1095
00:50:42,800 --> 00:50:44,960
Speaker 10: of that. But yeah, it's it's it's you don't take.

1096
00:50:44,840 --> 00:50:48,680
Speaker 1: The position of God and that you're the one who

1097
00:50:48,680 --> 00:50:49,319
Speaker 1: meets the need.

1098
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Speaker 2: That's right, you're the one who can answer the problem.

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Speaker 2: I mean, you want.

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Speaker 1: People to be dependent upon the Lord, not you, because

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Speaker 1: you know what, You'll disappoint them. I'll disappoint them, We'll

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Speaker 10: So many of the principles of this book and just

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Speaker 10: really the principles that we talk about. What Lord later

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Speaker 10: showed me is John, this isn't just leading. Like I

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Speaker 10: am discovering that I have to relead my marriage. Sometimes

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Speaker 10: I'm discovering that I got to lead me, relead the

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Speaker 10: way I think in your kids, my kids. I got

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Speaker 10: to relead my health. Man, I've gotten a little out

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Speaker 10: of hand. I need to get back too many twinkies.

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Speaker 10: I need to get back. I need to relead myself.

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Speaker 10: I got to get back in the gym. That's releadership,

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Speaker 10: you know. And and it's just it's it's so much

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Speaker 10: across the board that I've really been leaning into the

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Speaker 10: relead your marriage and teaching some stuff on that. So

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Speaker 10: it's just so applicable, you know, so many aspects of

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Speaker 10: our lives.

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Speaker 1: So what do you see ahead for not only the

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Speaker 1: church that you passor here in Grapevine, yeah, but also

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Speaker 1: the church in Oklahoma City.

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Speaker 10: Yeah. So what we're leaning into now is we're in

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Speaker 10: an interesting season as a church where I preached a

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Speaker 10: sermon several weeks ago called what is Church? And we're

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Speaker 10: really wrestling with this concept. We love the church, we

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Speaker 10: love the local churches, the hope of the world, but

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Speaker 10: in some ways I think we've gotten too good at

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Speaker 10: it and it's become a formula. Yes, and it's four

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Speaker 10: songs in a sermony or program, and it's not I

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Speaker 10: must say this, very very kindly and very gently, it's

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Speaker 10: not that hard to build a church, to grow a

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Speaker 10: church because we've we've created a formula for it. And

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Speaker 10: so we're in a season now where we've just kind

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Speaker 10: of tipped it on its head, like, Okay, well, I

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Speaker 10: mean we had a week several weeks ago we just

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Speaker 10: had a good old fashioned testimony service. It's all we

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Speaker 10: did the whole time. You make that testimony testify. So

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Speaker 10: we've been exploring some of that. So we're so excited

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Speaker 10: about what God's doing at our church at the Grayvine campus.

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Speaker 2: It's been really fun the church to go.

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Speaker 10: Yess. We're saying, hey, we do we do so much

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Speaker 10: of church in rows and there's really no way to

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Speaker 10: fully get away from that. But what if we came

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Speaker 10: into church with the awareness that within ten feet of me.

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Speaker 10: Someone's hurting and I'm so focused on a stage. Church

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Speaker 10: has become a place we go to receive and not

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Speaker 10: give of ourselves, and somebody around us is hurting, and

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Speaker 10: what if we came in? I think that's that Greek

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Speaker 10: word corny, you know, where there's this there's this connection vertically,

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Speaker 10: but there's also community and so and the outreaches.

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Speaker 1: I mean to me, that's what sets a local church

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Speaker 1: apart from some others.

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Speaker 10: Is that.

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Speaker 1: I mean I grew up in a local church. My

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Speaker 1: dad and I were part of the bus ministry.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, and we went out on Saturday and get

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Speaker 2: our kids and brought him in. I mean that was

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Speaker 2: you know in the in the eighties. Oh yeah, that

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Speaker 2: was the thing our late seventies.

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Speaker 1: I was just a young girl back there, but I

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Speaker 1: rember that was my early beginning. But anyway, you know,

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Speaker 1: my husband talks a lot about that. You know, people

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Speaker 1: that just sit in a church, but they don't serve.

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Speaker 2: And I mean.

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Speaker 1: There's we're supposed to be the light to go out

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Speaker 1: and compel them to come in.

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Speaker 2: You can't do that by yourself.

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Speaker 10: Pastors, you know, pastors talk a lot. When pastors complained

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Speaker 10: to me about you know, congregations that just come to

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Speaker 10: receive and not servant. I'm always like, we did this,

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Speaker 10: I mean, we created this monster. Whenever, everything's about the

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Speaker 10: experience and how is your experience? And how was worship today?

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Speaker 10: And how was when you know, we'll leave church and

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Speaker 10: ask each other how was worship was? Okay, the drums were,

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Speaker 10: you know, we shouldn't be asking anybody how worship was?

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Speaker 2: They ran over just a little bit. To the rest

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Speaker 2: of the only.

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Speaker 10: Person who you ask how worship was? Is God? God?

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Speaker 10: How is my worship today?

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Speaker 3: Right?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, so good, so good, so good. Well this

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Speaker 2: has been so good. Right, we're out of.

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Speaker 1: Time and that you know, I really believe that's a

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Speaker 1: word for a lot of you that are watching right now.

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Speaker 1: And there are some of you that have absolutely quit

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Speaker 1: and you know, there's something on the inside of you

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Speaker 1: that God has commissioned you to do and you're not

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Speaker 1: doing it.

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Speaker 2: And the word of the Lord to you today is

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Speaker 2: to get back up. That's good and start again. He's

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Speaker 2: going to help you do it.

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Speaker 1: He's going to take those things and those tough spots

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Speaker 1: as you've gone through, He's going to use them. And

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Speaker 1: you you actually learned some very important lessons along the way.

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Speaker 1: He's going to take all those experiences and use them

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Speaker 1: to help you do an even better job than you

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Speaker 1: could have done before.

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Speaker 2: So you be encouraged.

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Speaker 1: Well, I want you to remember you're not alone and

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Speaker 1: in this journey, just as Pastor John mentioned, Zach cry

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Speaker 1: for six reminds us not by my nor.

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Speaker 2: By power, but by my spirit, says.

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Speaker 1: The Lord, one of my favorite verses. We used to

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Speaker 1: sing a song with that, with that word, with that wording.

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Speaker 1: And of course he will empower you to fulfill your

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Speaker 1: calling and rebuild with purpose through his grace and strength. Well,

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Speaker 1: if you're tuning in today and you need prayer, maybe

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Speaker 1: you're going through a difficult season, maybe there's something going

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Speaker 1: in your life. Maybe you don't know Jesus. We would

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Speaker 1: love to pray with you. And I mean it's so

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Speaker 1: easy to pray that salvation prayer and invite Jesus into

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Speaker 1: your heart. I always say, my grandpa just said Jesus. No,

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Speaker 1: he didn't even say Jesus. He just said, God, if

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Speaker 1: you're there, I need you. He didn't know how to

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Speaker 1: pray any prayer, but his heart was open to God,

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Speaker 1: and God transformed his life at nineteen years of age,

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Speaker 1: transformed our family and you can do the same thing

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Speaker 1: right now and He'll meet your where you are. We

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Speaker 1: have prayer line number on the screen, Prayer Partners standing by.

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Speaker 1: If you prayed that prayer invited Jesus and we'd love

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Speaker 1: of John. We want to send that to you absolutely free.

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Speaker 1: I do want to thank Pastor John for joining us

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Speaker 1: at the table. Be sure to get a copy of

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Speaker 1: his book, Releader, How to Fix What You Didn't Break, and.

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Speaker 2: For information on his ministry. Be sure to visit Victory

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Speaker 2: dot church. Is that it?

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Speaker 10: That's it? Or you can go to Releader dot co.

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Speaker 1: Okay, to the Leader dot co and as always, be

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Speaker 10: Thank you ladies.

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Speaker 2: Come back and keep us up to day. Whatever the

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Speaker 2: next book is, Okay, all right, We'll be glad to

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Speaker 2: have you. Thank you ladies.

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Speaker 1: Hey, this has been great. I'd pray you've been encouraged

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Speaker 1: to Hey, hey, get up, get up. God's not through

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Speaker 1: using you. See you next time.

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Speaker 11: Bye bye for today.