1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,960 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening to The Herd podcast. Be sure to 2 00:00:03,040 --> 00:00:05,720 Speaker 1: catch us live every weekday on Fox Sports Radio in 3 00:00:05,880 --> 00:00:09,560 Speaker 1: noon to three Eastern nine am to noon Pacific. Find 4 00:00:09,600 --> 00:00:12,119 Speaker 1: your local station for The Herd at Fox Sports Radio 5 00:00:12,200 --> 00:00:14,880 Speaker 1: dot com, or stream us live every day on the 6 00:00:14,920 --> 00:00:18,440 Speaker 1: iHeartRadio app by searching Fox Sports Radio or FSR. 7 00:00:21,920 --> 00:00:24,000 Speaker 2: You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. 8 00:00:26,239 --> 00:00:28,360 Speaker 1: Here we go, it's hour two. It is a Monday. 9 00:00:28,440 --> 00:00:31,160 Speaker 1: Matt Hassel back to three time pro bowler. In five minutes, 10 00:00:31,240 --> 00:00:33,760 Speaker 1: Diana Russini stops by as well. It is great to 11 00:00:33,760 --> 00:00:38,200 Speaker 1: be back from VAK. J McK and I are rolling 12 00:00:38,440 --> 00:00:44,360 Speaker 1: and ready to go NFL games. Now they start filtering 13 00:00:44,479 --> 00:00:48,360 Speaker 1: in little video quarterbacks. Where are we going to say? 14 00:00:48,440 --> 00:00:50,839 Speaker 1: You know what's interesting to me. I was talking to 15 00:00:50,880 --> 00:00:52,840 Speaker 1: my buddy John Middlekoff, who's been on the show before. 16 00:00:53,320 --> 00:00:55,480 Speaker 1: Is that the guy lost in all this? Because we 17 00:00:55,560 --> 00:00:59,360 Speaker 1: know that Jaden daniels Is and Bonnix are working. Drake 18 00:00:59,440 --> 00:01:03,080 Speaker 1: May looks really, really solid. Caleb, we're gonna have our 19 00:01:03,120 --> 00:01:06,840 Speaker 1: eyes on, and JJ McCarthy, we're gonna have our eyes. 20 00:01:06,680 --> 00:01:08,200 Speaker 3: On in all of this. 21 00:01:08,680 --> 00:01:12,120 Speaker 1: Michael Pennix is quietly in the Deep South in Atlanta 22 00:01:12,240 --> 00:01:13,600 Speaker 1: and nobody's talking about him. 23 00:01:13,600 --> 00:01:15,920 Speaker 3: Where are you on Penix today? If you have a guests. 24 00:01:15,640 --> 00:01:18,039 Speaker 4: Well, it's funny. I'm lining up all my bets when 25 00:01:18,040 --> 00:01:19,920 Speaker 4: I go to Vegas the season long stuff. I have 26 00:01:20,000 --> 00:01:22,720 Speaker 4: the Falcons in the playoffs. I have them winning the division. 27 00:01:22,959 --> 00:01:25,200 Speaker 4: I'm gonna be taking Pennix in fantasy. I think he's 28 00:01:25,240 --> 00:01:27,400 Speaker 4: got a lot of value in that offense. 29 00:01:27,760 --> 00:01:28,000 Speaker 3: Colin. 30 00:01:28,080 --> 00:01:29,680 Speaker 4: We only saw a few games of him last year. 31 00:01:29,680 --> 00:01:32,240 Speaker 4: Remember the Washington game that was nip and tuck until 32 00:01:32,280 --> 00:01:34,960 Speaker 4: the end and they ended up losing, But it was like, 33 00:01:35,200 --> 00:01:37,000 Speaker 4: I saw some things for Pennix. I think he's going 34 00:01:37,080 --> 00:01:38,759 Speaker 4: to be good. I'm a buyer of the Atlanta Falcons. 35 00:01:38,880 --> 00:01:40,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, no, no, I think I've said this before. I 36 00:01:40,720 --> 00:01:45,920 Speaker 1: think he's a bigger, stronger toua left hander, beautiful ball 37 00:01:45,959 --> 00:01:49,760 Speaker 1: down fields, bigger arm, bigger athlete can move, but you 38 00:01:49,800 --> 00:01:52,320 Speaker 1: don't necessarily want him to because of previous injuries. 39 00:01:52,480 --> 00:01:55,160 Speaker 4: Uwa actually has a better coach though, in Mike McDaniel. 40 00:01:55,480 --> 00:01:58,080 Speaker 4: You kind of just destroyed McDaniel for like ten minutes. 41 00:01:58,120 --> 00:02:00,440 Speaker 4: I thought it was out of bounds and on Warrenton. 42 00:02:00,640 --> 00:02:03,920 Speaker 4: But nevertheless, if you give Pennicks an offensive guy like McDaniel. 43 00:02:04,120 --> 00:02:07,040 Speaker 1: Oh, oh, look out, I'm not anti Michael McDaniels. I'm 44 00:02:07,200 --> 00:02:10,880 Speaker 1: three years into it. I was told it was revolutionary 45 00:02:10,919 --> 00:02:13,200 Speaker 1: with all the motion and flashing. They're twenty eight and 46 00:02:13,240 --> 00:02:15,120 Speaker 1: twenty three on a division with the Jets and the Page. 47 00:02:15,240 --> 00:02:17,280 Speaker 4: He made the playoffs twice. He took two out of 48 00:02:17,280 --> 00:02:19,840 Speaker 4: the playoffs, but two got hurt and two of kids 49 00:02:19,840 --> 00:02:22,079 Speaker 4: getting hurt, and then they make the passa. 50 00:02:22,200 --> 00:02:22,480 Speaker 3: Oh no. 51 00:02:22,600 --> 00:02:25,320 Speaker 4: They lost to the Chiefs in Arrowhead in the playoffs. 52 00:02:25,360 --> 00:02:28,000 Speaker 4: I mean, geez, with a lot of shame in that one. 53 00:02:28,200 --> 00:02:31,200 Speaker 4: In like negative thirty degrees. Their guys are losing fingers 54 00:02:31,240 --> 00:02:34,239 Speaker 4: in the stands. So like, I thought you were extremely 55 00:02:34,320 --> 00:02:37,480 Speaker 4: harsh on McDaniel. Remember he's a Yale educated Colin. 56 00:02:37,520 --> 00:02:42,120 Speaker 1: Okay, so were a lot of our bad presidents. 57 00:02:42,160 --> 00:02:44,520 Speaker 2: I mean I did oooh, all. 58 00:02:44,480 --> 00:02:47,240 Speaker 3: Right, Colin right, Colin wrong? On Monday, here we go. 59 00:02:50,240 --> 00:02:51,520 Speaker 2: Where Colin was right. 60 00:02:51,919 --> 00:02:56,720 Speaker 1: Jerry Jones once again has mangled a contract situation. I 61 00:02:56,720 --> 00:02:58,960 Speaker 1: said this a couple of years ago with Jerry, the 62 00:02:59,040 --> 00:03:02,720 Speaker 1: Cowboys are starting to feel like the Raiders when Al 63 00:03:02,880 --> 00:03:06,440 Speaker 1: Davis aged Al lost his fastball. I think I think 64 00:03:06,560 --> 00:03:08,960 Speaker 1: Jerry has lost his fastball and has too much power 65 00:03:08,960 --> 00:03:11,480 Speaker 1: in the organization, the old. 66 00:03:11,320 --> 00:03:13,200 Speaker 3: Saying all hat no cattle. 67 00:03:13,800 --> 00:03:16,560 Speaker 1: Jerry tells us he's a great businessman, but he keeps 68 00:03:16,600 --> 00:03:20,200 Speaker 1: getting taken to the cleaners by players and Micah, Now, 69 00:03:20,320 --> 00:03:22,520 Speaker 1: what are you gonna do? Trade him? Now, what are 70 00:03:22,520 --> 00:03:25,040 Speaker 1: you gonna do? You could have traded him last year 71 00:03:25,080 --> 00:03:27,640 Speaker 1: and gotten multiple players that could help you now in 72 00:03:27,680 --> 00:03:31,560 Speaker 1: the NFC as it strengthens as a conference. I don't 73 00:03:31,639 --> 00:03:34,400 Speaker 1: like where Dallas is headed, and it's all on Jerry, 74 00:03:36,040 --> 00:03:39,360 Speaker 1: where Colin was raw Well, Jimmy, I don't know if 75 00:03:39,360 --> 00:03:44,040 Speaker 1: I believe him, But Jimmy Haslam says the Shadeur Sanders 76 00:03:44,120 --> 00:03:46,120 Speaker 1: draft pick, Hey, I didn't do that. 77 00:03:46,120 --> 00:03:47,920 Speaker 3: That was all on Andrew Berry. 78 00:03:48,280 --> 00:03:52,120 Speaker 1: And to that, I would say, why would you draft 79 00:03:52,120 --> 00:03:53,920 Speaker 1: when you had Kenny Pickett and Joe Flacco? 80 00:03:54,520 --> 00:03:56,120 Speaker 3: Why would you draft. 81 00:03:55,720 --> 00:03:59,480 Speaker 1: Two more quarterbacks in the third and fifth round. 82 00:04:00,360 --> 00:04:01,080 Speaker 3: I don't get it. 83 00:04:01,280 --> 00:04:05,279 Speaker 1: But at least Jimmy Haslam is saying the right things publicly, 84 00:04:05,400 --> 00:04:07,760 Speaker 1: which is, hey, I didn't have anything to do with 85 00:04:07,800 --> 00:04:13,720 Speaker 1: a draft pick where Colin was right. Well, I won't 86 00:04:13,720 --> 00:04:16,520 Speaker 1: beat on it too much more. But Tyreek Hill said 87 00:04:16,600 --> 00:04:19,920 Speaker 1: last week that one of the Dolphins running backs shouldn't 88 00:04:19,920 --> 00:04:23,800 Speaker 1: be a short yardage tailback. On Sunday, Mike McDaniels said, yeah, 89 00:04:23,839 --> 00:04:26,960 Speaker 1: he isn't. We worked on that. So there appears to 90 00:04:26,960 --> 00:04:31,240 Speaker 1: be a gap this offseason between Tyreek and Tua, Tyreek 91 00:04:31,279 --> 00:04:34,720 Speaker 1: and the team, and Tyreek and Mike McDaniels. And we've 92 00:04:34,760 --> 00:04:39,320 Speaker 1: always said a lot more sizzle than actual state with that. 93 00:04:39,360 --> 00:04:43,160 Speaker 2: Acquisition where Colin was right. 94 00:04:43,839 --> 00:04:48,720 Speaker 1: JJ McCarthy, according to Kevin Seaffert, respected reporter at ESPN, 95 00:04:49,480 --> 00:04:52,120 Speaker 1: accuracy a bit of an issue in the red zone. 96 00:04:52,400 --> 00:04:57,239 Speaker 1: Jeremy Fowler, another respected reporter, saying they're having to work 97 00:04:57,279 --> 00:05:00,479 Speaker 1: a lot on touch. Everything is a fastball. I don't 98 00:05:00,520 --> 00:05:04,200 Speaker 1: know how good JJ McCarthy is, but I never bought 99 00:05:04,240 --> 00:05:08,400 Speaker 1: into the narrative that multiple teams were gonna move up 100 00:05:08,400 --> 00:05:10,560 Speaker 1: in the draft to get him. I've heard the opposite 101 00:05:10,960 --> 00:05:14,880 Speaker 1: is that there were real concerns that JJ McCarthy had 102 00:05:14,920 --> 00:05:17,520 Speaker 1: been led by a great coach, a great defense, a 103 00:05:17,520 --> 00:05:20,600 Speaker 1: great run game in college and never really had to 104 00:05:20,920 --> 00:05:25,839 Speaker 1: lead inferior talent, which is what happens in the NFL 105 00:05:25,920 --> 00:05:27,200 Speaker 1: if you're a lottery. 106 00:05:26,880 --> 00:05:30,800 Speaker 2: Quarterback, where Colin was raw. 107 00:05:31,240 --> 00:05:35,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, I may have to temper my Tennessee Titan predictions. 108 00:05:36,640 --> 00:05:39,560 Speaker 1: They just got rid of their first round receiver a 109 00:05:39,560 --> 00:05:44,720 Speaker 1: couple of years ago, Treylon Burks, apparently cam Ward. Last 110 00:05:44,720 --> 00:05:49,320 Speaker 1: couple of practices four picks. Cam Ward admits we're really 111 00:05:49,440 --> 00:05:52,280 Speaker 1: right now. Very mid is what he called his offense 112 00:05:52,880 --> 00:05:55,840 Speaker 1: between Tyler Lockett, Calvin Ridley, and Van Jefferson. 113 00:05:56,920 --> 00:05:58,120 Speaker 3: Now no Burks. 114 00:05:58,240 --> 00:06:02,839 Speaker 1: It's arguably the weakest receiving core in the NFL. I 115 00:06:02,880 --> 00:06:06,320 Speaker 1: do get two more revisions on my NFL predictions, so 116 00:06:06,640 --> 00:06:10,200 Speaker 1: I may have to scale back on the Titans where 117 00:06:10,240 --> 00:06:14,640 Speaker 1: Colin was right. Luka dantach Men's health in the best 118 00:06:14,640 --> 00:06:18,080 Speaker 1: shape of his career. This is what I've said about Luca. 119 00:06:18,320 --> 00:06:22,880 Speaker 1: Defense and being in great shape are all about wanting 120 00:06:22,960 --> 00:06:25,720 Speaker 1: to do you want to be a great defender? Do 121 00:06:25,800 --> 00:06:28,799 Speaker 1: you want to be in great shape? When did Luca 122 00:06:28,880 --> 00:06:31,799 Speaker 1: get in the best shape of his career his first 123 00:06:31,880 --> 00:06:34,640 Speaker 1: year as a rookie, when he wanted to impress and 124 00:06:34,760 --> 00:06:37,520 Speaker 1: now the Lakers have new owners. This is why I've 125 00:06:37,520 --> 00:06:40,360 Speaker 1: said he's a much better version to Carmelo Anthony. I 126 00:06:40,400 --> 00:06:42,280 Speaker 1: don't worry about his game. I think he's gonna have 127 00:06:42,279 --> 00:06:47,400 Speaker 1: an unbelievable season. Does he have the want Lebron Kobe 128 00:06:47,680 --> 00:06:50,680 Speaker 1: Michael they were great defenders because they wanted to be 129 00:06:50,720 --> 00:06:54,359 Speaker 1: great defenders. So he breaks into the NBA. We're like, Wow, 130 00:06:54,400 --> 00:06:58,120 Speaker 1: this guy's amazing and increasingly gets in worse shape. Lakers 131 00:06:58,120 --> 00:07:01,360 Speaker 1: have new owners, he has an offseason now once again 132 00:07:01,800 --> 00:07:04,520 Speaker 1: he's in unbelievable shape. 133 00:07:05,400 --> 00:07:07,320 Speaker 2: Where Colin was wrong. 134 00:07:07,800 --> 00:07:10,880 Speaker 1: The Indiana Fever are on a heater, all of it 135 00:07:11,000 --> 00:07:15,960 Speaker 1: without Caitlin Clark. Gotta be honest, she is a great player, 136 00:07:16,520 --> 00:07:20,160 Speaker 1: but Sophie Cunningham's been on fire, hitting threes yesterday. They're 137 00:07:20,200 --> 00:07:24,400 Speaker 1: in a five game winning streak with no Caitlin Clark. So, 138 00:07:24,560 --> 00:07:29,400 Speaker 1: in fact, Kaylin this year, between injuries and struggling, has 139 00:07:29,480 --> 00:07:33,400 Speaker 1: not been Caitlin Clark, and Indiana still has the fifth 140 00:07:33,400 --> 00:07:35,120 Speaker 1: best record in the league. 141 00:07:36,120 --> 00:07:37,400 Speaker 2: Where Colin was right. 142 00:07:38,160 --> 00:07:38,680 Speaker 3: What do you know? 143 00:07:38,800 --> 00:07:42,200 Speaker 1: The Celtics minority owner is buying the Connecticut Sun for 144 00:07:42,200 --> 00:07:43,880 Speaker 1: three hundred and twenty five million dollars. 145 00:07:43,960 --> 00:07:45,360 Speaker 3: I had said this two weeks ago. 146 00:07:46,840 --> 00:07:52,520 Speaker 1: Yes, merch up one thousand percent TV ratings, attendance, this 147 00:07:52,680 --> 00:07:56,560 Speaker 1: league and it's got issues like it's officiating, like it's 148 00:07:56,600 --> 00:08:01,240 Speaker 1: inability to handle Caitlin Clark well well, but is it 149 00:08:01,280 --> 00:08:04,920 Speaker 1: a buy as a stock absolutely. I don't care about 150 00:08:04,920 --> 00:08:10,640 Speaker 1: the last twenty five years merch TV ratings, attendance all 151 00:08:10,760 --> 00:08:15,680 Speaker 1: up at least one hundred percent. It's absolutely a bye 152 00:08:15,720 --> 00:08:18,400 Speaker 1: as a sports franchise. I felt this way five years 153 00:08:18,440 --> 00:08:21,720 Speaker 1: ago about the MLS. I feel that now, and so 154 00:08:21,840 --> 00:08:26,280 Speaker 1: do one of the Boston Celtics minority owners, Colin Wright. 155 00:08:26,360 --> 00:08:28,400 Speaker 1: Colin wrong on a Monday, And with that, Matt Hasselback 156 00:08:28,480 --> 00:08:32,080 Speaker 1: eighteen years three Pro Bowl stopping by our show. All right, 157 00:08:32,760 --> 00:08:38,440 Speaker 1: you know I said earlier, whenever your issues in college, 158 00:08:38,520 --> 00:08:41,280 Speaker 1: I can see him in the Pros. I'm a little concerned. 159 00:08:41,840 --> 00:08:45,240 Speaker 1: So I thought the questions about Caleb Williams were little 160 00:08:45,240 --> 00:08:50,480 Speaker 1: hero ball accuracy could be a little dicey and moody. 161 00:08:51,040 --> 00:08:53,520 Speaker 1: So when I see a video of him freaking out, 162 00:08:53,559 --> 00:08:57,559 Speaker 1: I see temper, I see accuracy issues. I know I'm 163 00:08:57,559 --> 00:09:00,400 Speaker 1: supposed to say it's yeah, it's just camp. It's just 164 00:09:00,480 --> 00:09:03,440 Speaker 1: thrown into a net. But those are some of the 165 00:09:03,520 --> 00:09:07,160 Speaker 1: things GM's told me they were concerned about. So it's like, oh, 166 00:09:07,200 --> 00:09:11,240 Speaker 1: I'm seeing that now in the Pros. Should I be 167 00:09:11,320 --> 00:09:13,680 Speaker 1: a little concerned about that net video? 168 00:09:13,840 --> 00:09:18,520 Speaker 5: Matt Hasselbeck, Well, it's year two, Colin, listen, year one 169 00:09:18,640 --> 00:09:20,600 Speaker 5: rookie year, you chuck some of those things up to 170 00:09:20,640 --> 00:09:22,280 Speaker 5: a rookie situation. 171 00:09:23,520 --> 00:09:24,079 Speaker 6: Year two. 172 00:09:24,760 --> 00:09:26,680 Speaker 5: You know, training camp, I think we make a little 173 00:09:26,679 --> 00:09:29,160 Speaker 5: bit of like a huge deal at a certain thing. 174 00:09:29,280 --> 00:09:31,719 Speaker 5: Sometimes things are fun, sometimes things are poudy. You don't 175 00:09:31,760 --> 00:09:34,560 Speaker 5: know the whole story, but in general last year to 176 00:09:34,600 --> 00:09:36,360 Speaker 5: this year, you've even heard Ben Johnson. 177 00:09:36,080 --> 00:09:36,640 Speaker 6: Talk about it. 178 00:09:36,920 --> 00:09:40,440 Speaker 5: Body language at the quarterback position matters. It matters to 179 00:09:40,480 --> 00:09:42,960 Speaker 5: your opponent, and it matters maybe just as much to 180 00:09:43,040 --> 00:09:45,720 Speaker 5: your teammates. And so the camera's always going to be 181 00:09:45,720 --> 00:09:47,520 Speaker 5: on him, like the microscope is always going to be 182 00:09:47,559 --> 00:09:49,120 Speaker 5: on him. A lot of people made a lot of 183 00:09:49,120 --> 00:09:51,960 Speaker 5: excuses for him last year. I think the excuses are 184 00:09:52,000 --> 00:09:54,560 Speaker 5: out the window. The focus is going to be on him. 185 00:09:55,040 --> 00:09:58,880 Speaker 5: And you know, like I've said many times, you know 186 00:09:58,960 --> 00:10:03,480 Speaker 5: your team get confidence or insecurity by how you carry 187 00:10:03,480 --> 00:10:04,880 Speaker 5: yourself as a franchise quarterback. 188 00:10:05,320 --> 00:10:05,520 Speaker 7: Yeah. 189 00:10:05,640 --> 00:10:08,000 Speaker 3: No, you've been on that from day one. So I 190 00:10:08,040 --> 00:10:08,360 Speaker 3: said this. 191 00:10:08,480 --> 00:10:11,120 Speaker 1: There are coaches in the league and you've probably had these. 192 00:10:11,160 --> 00:10:13,040 Speaker 1: Maybe Mike Holmgren was one of these where you get 193 00:10:13,040 --> 00:10:16,640 Speaker 1: a great scheme coach that he's a head coach, but 194 00:10:16,679 --> 00:10:18,320 Speaker 1: if you put him on the headset he'd call a 195 00:10:18,360 --> 00:10:21,199 Speaker 1: great game. And then there are coaches that Mike Tomlins 196 00:10:21,240 --> 00:10:26,199 Speaker 1: a culture builder. I would say Dan Campbell, Nick Siriani. 197 00:10:26,320 --> 00:10:29,880 Speaker 1: They build cultures. There is nothing wrong with that. But 198 00:10:30,000 --> 00:10:33,560 Speaker 1: they are more dependent on coordinators than say as Sean 199 00:10:33,640 --> 00:10:36,800 Speaker 1: McVay or a Sean Payton or maybe again, maybe Holmgren 200 00:10:36,920 --> 00:10:39,280 Speaker 1: was that. Andy Reid's a guy. It doesn't matter who 201 00:10:39,320 --> 00:10:44,600 Speaker 1: his coordinator is. Offensively, they're fine. Detroit loses two coordinators, 202 00:10:44,600 --> 00:10:46,920 Speaker 1: including Ben Johnson, who was kind of regarded as the 203 00:10:46,960 --> 00:10:49,439 Speaker 1: hot coordinator in the market. I know it's the Hall 204 00:10:49,480 --> 00:10:51,480 Speaker 1: of Fame game. They were a mess. 205 00:10:52,200 --> 00:10:52,960 Speaker 3: I mean, eight. 206 00:10:52,760 --> 00:10:56,880 Speaker 1: Penalties, five turnover, They look disorganized. How do I not 207 00:10:56,960 --> 00:11:00,960 Speaker 1: look at that and go that's not great? I watched 208 00:11:01,000 --> 00:11:04,840 Speaker 1: Philadelphia miss on coordinators and lose six or seven games 209 00:11:05,040 --> 00:11:08,200 Speaker 1: off a Super Bowl year. Do I take anything off 210 00:11:08,240 --> 00:11:11,040 Speaker 1: that abysmal Hall of Fame game performance? 211 00:11:12,200 --> 00:11:14,160 Speaker 6: Well, you touch on a bunch of things there. Listen. 212 00:11:14,240 --> 00:11:16,320 Speaker 5: Culture is super important, and just because you're a good 213 00:11:16,320 --> 00:11:18,120 Speaker 5: play caller doesn't mean you're going to be a head coach. 214 00:11:18,440 --> 00:11:20,520 Speaker 5: But I think what you're talking about is new coordinators, 215 00:11:20,520 --> 00:11:21,920 Speaker 5: two new coordinators. 216 00:11:21,440 --> 00:11:22,280 Speaker 6: And that's a lot of change. 217 00:11:22,280 --> 00:11:24,880 Speaker 5: It's a bigger deal than people realize in terms of 218 00:11:24,920 --> 00:11:29,800 Speaker 5: the preseason game. Listen, it's a big deal because but 219 00:11:29,880 --> 00:11:31,600 Speaker 5: it's not. It's a big deal because we've got to. 220 00:11:31,559 --> 00:11:32,400 Speaker 6: Get those things fixed. 221 00:11:32,640 --> 00:11:34,760 Speaker 5: But it's not a big deal because it just comes 222 00:11:34,760 --> 00:11:37,679 Speaker 5: as a wake up call right away, National TV, everyone 223 00:11:37,760 --> 00:11:40,280 Speaker 5: knows about it, and then you come together as a staff. 224 00:11:40,480 --> 00:11:41,960 Speaker 5: You know, last year, I think there were eight new 225 00:11:42,000 --> 00:11:43,880 Speaker 5: head coaches. Two of them made the playoffs. Some of 226 00:11:43,920 --> 00:11:47,360 Speaker 5: those guys got this stuff figured out. You know, I 227 00:11:47,679 --> 00:11:51,280 Speaker 5: was actually there for the seahawks first preseason game. It's crazy, 228 00:11:51,480 --> 00:11:54,520 Speaker 5: new head coach, new coordinators. It's crazy the things that 229 00:11:54,600 --> 00:11:57,040 Speaker 5: you don't get to cover in a training camp situation 230 00:11:57,360 --> 00:11:59,680 Speaker 5: until you get into a game situation. Where are we 231 00:11:59,720 --> 00:12:02,520 Speaker 5: doing halftime adjustments? Who's going first? Where are we going 232 00:12:02,559 --> 00:12:05,080 Speaker 5: to stand on the sidelines, Who's on what headset? There's 233 00:12:05,080 --> 00:12:07,440 Speaker 5: two lines on the headset. Are you on line A? 234 00:12:07,520 --> 00:12:09,600 Speaker 5: Are you on line B? So some of those kinks 235 00:12:09,600 --> 00:12:11,880 Speaker 5: got to get worked out in the preseason. That's kind 236 00:12:11,880 --> 00:12:15,240 Speaker 5: of what the preseason is for. But yeah, I would 237 00:12:15,240 --> 00:12:17,080 Speaker 5: say they got a little bit exposed right there. It 238 00:12:17,080 --> 00:12:18,520 Speaker 5: doesn't mean they can't figure it out, though. 239 00:12:19,280 --> 00:12:22,240 Speaker 1: Okay, I said, not all hold out for the same. 240 00:12:22,400 --> 00:12:25,920 Speaker 1: Terry McLaurin is a third round pick, has wildly outperformed 241 00:12:25,960 --> 00:12:26,679 Speaker 1: his contract. 242 00:12:26,720 --> 00:12:28,199 Speaker 3: He's been a great guy. 243 00:12:28,720 --> 00:12:32,920 Speaker 1: He's been crazy productive until last year with bad quarterback play. 244 00:12:33,520 --> 00:12:36,080 Speaker 1: I would pay him tomorrow, especially when you brought debo. 245 00:12:36,240 --> 00:12:39,760 Speaker 1: I'd pay him tomorrow. Micah first round pick, been a 246 00:12:39,840 --> 00:12:41,960 Speaker 1: Pro Bowl or been excellent, but that's why you picked 247 00:12:42,040 --> 00:12:44,640 Speaker 1: him twelve. He's got a year left in his contract. 248 00:12:45,480 --> 00:12:47,920 Speaker 1: I don't think he's been underpaid. I think he's been 249 00:12:47,960 --> 00:12:51,640 Speaker 1: paid appropriately. On these two holdouts. Do you see him 250 00:12:51,640 --> 00:12:54,320 Speaker 1: as a former player as just the same thing or 251 00:12:54,360 --> 00:12:56,760 Speaker 1: are there different And I also think it's an offensive league. 252 00:12:56,760 --> 00:12:58,959 Speaker 1: I'd be more prone to pay the offensive guy. How 253 00:12:59,000 --> 00:13:01,280 Speaker 1: do you view McLaurin and Micah's holdout. 254 00:13:02,240 --> 00:13:05,120 Speaker 5: Well, mclaurin's tricky because he's so important I think to 255 00:13:05,200 --> 00:13:07,680 Speaker 5: Jad and Daniels' success. I mean, Jayden Daniels was just 256 00:13:07,720 --> 00:13:10,080 Speaker 5: incredible last year. I'm such a huge fan. He was awesome. 257 00:13:10,400 --> 00:13:12,960 Speaker 5: And Terry McLaurin is like everything that you're looking for 258 00:13:13,320 --> 00:13:15,760 Speaker 5: in you know, with a veteran guy to put with 259 00:13:15,840 --> 00:13:17,560 Speaker 5: a young guy, and I think they could have a 260 00:13:17,600 --> 00:13:19,880 Speaker 5: lot of success. You know, you know, in the near 261 00:13:19,920 --> 00:13:21,719 Speaker 5: future like yours one, two, three, like we could be 262 00:13:21,760 --> 00:13:22,800 Speaker 5: a contender every year. 263 00:13:23,080 --> 00:13:25,120 Speaker 6: They are a contender. They can compete with Philly. 264 00:13:25,760 --> 00:13:29,360 Speaker 5: What's unique about Dallas again another great player. Teammates love him, 265 00:13:29,360 --> 00:13:32,040 Speaker 5: you know what, He's exactly what you're looking for. Dallas, 266 00:13:32,040 --> 00:13:34,680 Speaker 5: Like they're not going to win their division, that doubt, 267 00:13:34,720 --> 00:13:36,959 Speaker 5: they're even second place in their division. And now you've 268 00:13:37,000 --> 00:13:40,760 Speaker 5: got a real public It just feels different in Dallas. 269 00:13:40,800 --> 00:13:43,240 Speaker 5: So I'm very curious, you know, the Cowboys seeing Jerry 270 00:13:43,320 --> 00:13:45,920 Speaker 5: Jones seems to like be fine with this kind of conflict, 271 00:13:46,120 --> 00:13:48,600 Speaker 5: fine with this kind of drama, but he also doesn't 272 00:13:48,600 --> 00:13:50,200 Speaker 5: seem like the kind of owner that wants to get 273 00:13:50,200 --> 00:13:53,120 Speaker 5: like pushed around publicly. So you know, there's a part 274 00:13:53,120 --> 00:13:55,120 Speaker 5: of me that says, hey, this is Michael Parsons. Figure 275 00:13:55,120 --> 00:13:58,319 Speaker 5: it out, closed the door, include the agent. Then there's 276 00:13:58,360 --> 00:14:00,120 Speaker 5: another part of me that says, hey, why don't you 277 00:14:00,120 --> 00:14:02,040 Speaker 5: you just punt on this year anyway, go out and 278 00:14:02,080 --> 00:14:06,240 Speaker 5: get like the most amazing draft package for next year 279 00:14:06,559 --> 00:14:09,360 Speaker 5: and really start focusing this team on next year, because 280 00:14:09,360 --> 00:14:11,920 Speaker 5: I really don't know that you can compete with Philly 281 00:14:12,120 --> 00:14:14,679 Speaker 5: and that you can compete really with Washington and then 282 00:14:14,720 --> 00:14:16,920 Speaker 5: the rest of the NFC. So you know, this one's 283 00:14:16,960 --> 00:14:19,160 Speaker 5: a little bit tricky for me. But the gloves have 284 00:14:19,200 --> 00:14:22,120 Speaker 5: come off, unfortunately publicly, so it's gotten a little ugly. 285 00:14:23,000 --> 00:14:25,000 Speaker 1: So I was talking. I was golfing a couple of 286 00:14:25,080 --> 00:14:26,840 Speaker 1: days ago, and I was joking with somebody. I said, 287 00:14:26,840 --> 00:14:28,960 Speaker 1: whenever I hit the ball great on the range, I 288 00:14:29,000 --> 00:14:33,080 Speaker 1: know I'm in trouble. And so it's like, I never 289 00:14:33,120 --> 00:14:35,440 Speaker 1: have any sense of how I'm going to hit going 290 00:14:35,480 --> 00:14:38,520 Speaker 1: into a round based on practice or to the range 291 00:14:39,160 --> 00:14:44,160 Speaker 1: in the preseason. What is something in your eighteen nineteen years, 292 00:14:44,160 --> 00:14:46,920 Speaker 1: Matt that carried over? Like if you did it well 293 00:14:46,960 --> 00:14:50,480 Speaker 1: in preseason, it did carry over. And are there things 294 00:14:50,480 --> 00:14:53,280 Speaker 1: that you thought you had mastered in preseason and it 295 00:14:53,360 --> 00:14:55,680 Speaker 1: meant nothing by the opening kickoff? 296 00:14:56,320 --> 00:14:59,080 Speaker 5: Yeah, you're absolutely right calling I think run game. You know, 297 00:14:59,120 --> 00:15:01,000 Speaker 5: I look at the Baltimore Ravens. I think they're a 298 00:15:01,040 --> 00:15:04,120 Speaker 5: great preseason team. Part of that is they're great at 299 00:15:04,120 --> 00:15:06,880 Speaker 5: the run game. That's a commitment that they have. They've 300 00:15:06,920 --> 00:15:08,680 Speaker 5: got a great culture when it comes to that. They 301 00:15:08,680 --> 00:15:11,040 Speaker 5: know how they do things. But you know, to your point, 302 00:15:11,160 --> 00:15:13,160 Speaker 5: there were teams that we would play in the preseason. 303 00:15:13,160 --> 00:15:15,120 Speaker 5: I'll use the Chicago Bears when they were great with 304 00:15:15,160 --> 00:15:17,080 Speaker 5: like Brian Urlocker and those guys. 305 00:15:17,480 --> 00:15:18,760 Speaker 6: They're a zone team, you. 306 00:15:18,760 --> 00:15:21,440 Speaker 5: Know, it really didn't matter who the defensive coordinator was 307 00:15:21,440 --> 00:15:21,800 Speaker 5: calling for. 308 00:15:21,880 --> 00:15:22,880 Speaker 6: They were a zone team. 309 00:15:23,240 --> 00:15:26,200 Speaker 5: But in the preseason they would play so much man 310 00:15:26,240 --> 00:15:29,920 Speaker 5: coverage because their scouts wanted to get a look at, Hey, 311 00:15:30,280 --> 00:15:32,720 Speaker 5: what kind of guys do we have in the secondary. Like, 312 00:15:32,760 --> 00:15:34,440 Speaker 5: we're not going to call a lot of man coverage 313 00:15:34,480 --> 00:15:38,080 Speaker 5: in the season, but we are on purpose doing something 314 00:15:38,120 --> 00:15:40,200 Speaker 5: that puts our team at a disadvantage. We need to 315 00:15:40,240 --> 00:15:43,080 Speaker 5: know who can play man occasionally when we want to 316 00:15:43,080 --> 00:15:44,480 Speaker 5: bring a blitz and stuff like that. 317 00:15:44,600 --> 00:15:46,160 Speaker 3: So there's not a lot. 318 00:15:46,040 --> 00:15:49,160 Speaker 5: Of scheming up and and you know there's there's not 319 00:15:49,240 --> 00:15:51,960 Speaker 5: always calling what you're best at. Sometimes you're even setting 320 00:15:52,040 --> 00:15:55,800 Speaker 5: up your Week one opponent. But those are two examples 321 00:15:55,840 --> 00:15:57,440 Speaker 5: of things that I think can be a little bit 322 00:15:57,480 --> 00:16:00,240 Speaker 5: of fool's gold if you're trying to evaluate what a 323 00:16:00,280 --> 00:16:01,800 Speaker 5: team's going to be when you just watch him in 324 00:16:01,800 --> 00:16:02,360 Speaker 5: the preseason. 325 00:16:02,520 --> 00:16:06,480 Speaker 1: Oh that's interesting. Finally, I want you to tell me 326 00:16:06,520 --> 00:16:11,280 Speaker 1: the difference. I always feel that a quarterback under center, 327 00:16:11,320 --> 00:16:14,120 Speaker 1: when he goes back gets to watch the defense. When 328 00:16:14,120 --> 00:16:16,720 Speaker 1: it's a shotgun, you have to watch the ball and 329 00:16:16,760 --> 00:16:20,240 Speaker 1: you lose that half a second of watching your safeties react. 330 00:16:20,480 --> 00:16:24,760 Speaker 1: So Sean Payton would like bow Knicks to be under 331 00:16:24,920 --> 00:16:26,440 Speaker 1: center more. 332 00:16:28,120 --> 00:16:28,880 Speaker 3: Than last year. 333 00:16:29,600 --> 00:16:33,920 Speaker 1: You tell me, is that something you can elevate to quickly? 334 00:16:34,520 --> 00:16:34,880 Speaker 3: Is there? 335 00:16:35,080 --> 00:16:37,480 Speaker 1: Or for a guy that you know, maybe Bowen Auburn 336 00:16:37,480 --> 00:16:40,600 Speaker 1: and Oregon has taken He's taken the shotgun snaps tell 337 00:16:40,640 --> 00:16:42,840 Speaker 1: me the transition? How much that matters for a young 338 00:16:42,920 --> 00:16:44,080 Speaker 1: quarterback like bow Knicks. 339 00:16:44,680 --> 00:16:47,520 Speaker 5: Yeah, it's a real thing, And I trust Sean Payton wholeheartedly. 340 00:16:47,560 --> 00:16:49,200 Speaker 5: I think bow Knicks is gonna do a great job. 341 00:16:49,400 --> 00:16:51,360 Speaker 5: I think that's a team I would buy right now. 342 00:16:51,400 --> 00:16:52,160 Speaker 6: I mean, I love that. 343 00:16:52,640 --> 00:16:56,120 Speaker 5: Listen, Bill Watsh, Joe Montana. They love to be under center. 344 00:16:56,200 --> 00:16:59,760 Speaker 5: Almost never were they in shotgun. I actually believe it was. 345 00:17:00,720 --> 00:17:03,840 Speaker 5: I forget the years, maybe like five maybe for us 346 00:17:03,880 --> 00:17:06,760 Speaker 5: in Seattle two thousand and five, when we finally put 347 00:17:06,760 --> 00:17:10,600 Speaker 5: the shotgun in, we got exposed, obviously or ironically against 348 00:17:10,640 --> 00:17:13,200 Speaker 5: the Chicago Bears er Locker Briggs and the A Gap 349 00:17:13,240 --> 00:17:16,000 Speaker 5: and we had no choice but to go shotgun. But 350 00:17:16,119 --> 00:17:18,639 Speaker 5: it is a huge advantage for the quarterback at the 351 00:17:18,680 --> 00:17:20,920 Speaker 5: snap with your hands already on the ball and then 352 00:17:20,960 --> 00:17:22,680 Speaker 5: your eyes on the free safety. 353 00:17:22,960 --> 00:17:25,240 Speaker 6: Your eyes on the free safety tell you so much. 354 00:17:25,600 --> 00:17:27,520 Speaker 5: But just like you said, if you're in shotgun and 355 00:17:27,560 --> 00:17:29,800 Speaker 5: your eyes have to go down to catch the ball first, 356 00:17:30,080 --> 00:17:33,119 Speaker 5: you don't get that split second advantage of having your 357 00:17:33,160 --> 00:17:38,240 Speaker 5: eyes on the secondary. Never mind the fact the run 358 00:17:38,440 --> 00:17:41,359 Speaker 5: keys that you're not giving away when you're running back 359 00:17:41,359 --> 00:17:44,440 Speaker 5: in shotgun is offset to the right or to the left. 360 00:17:44,520 --> 00:17:47,600 Speaker 5: So Sean Payton knows what he's talking about, and he 361 00:17:47,720 --> 00:17:51,240 Speaker 5: sees an opportunity. If he can get his young quarterback 362 00:17:51,280 --> 00:17:53,200 Speaker 5: to get comfortable under center the way that he did 363 00:17:53,240 --> 00:17:56,000 Speaker 5: with Drew Brees, then he thinks that his offense can 364 00:17:56,040 --> 00:17:59,920 Speaker 5: even take a bigger step with run game play, action 365 00:18:00,160 --> 00:18:02,560 Speaker 5: to the run and then using their tight ending guy 366 00:18:02,600 --> 00:18:03,359 Speaker 5: like Evan Ingram. 367 00:18:03,480 --> 00:18:04,800 Speaker 6: That could be huge for them this year. 368 00:18:05,920 --> 00:18:07,840 Speaker 1: By the way, it does appear that you're on a 369 00:18:07,920 --> 00:18:12,760 Speaker 1: coaching staff. The shirt looks very official. Are you the 370 00:18:12,800 --> 00:18:14,800 Speaker 1: head coach or the offensive coordinator? 371 00:18:15,280 --> 00:18:17,359 Speaker 5: Now, my younger brother's the head coach, which is an 372 00:18:17,359 --> 00:18:21,360 Speaker 5: interesting dynamic. I'm just the offensive coordinator. Today is picture day. 373 00:18:22,240 --> 00:18:24,919 Speaker 5: They said they might wait for me for the team photo, 374 00:18:25,000 --> 00:18:27,480 Speaker 5: depending on when this hit with you is over. 375 00:18:27,640 --> 00:18:28,680 Speaker 6: If not, they said. 376 00:18:28,480 --> 00:18:30,480 Speaker 5: It's twenty twenty five, they can just kind of like 377 00:18:30,560 --> 00:18:33,359 Speaker 5: superimpose me in a picture. We used to do that 378 00:18:33,400 --> 00:18:35,320 Speaker 5: when Paul Allen was the owner of the Seahawks. He 379 00:18:35,320 --> 00:18:37,920 Speaker 5: would never come back from you know, vacation or whatever. 380 00:18:38,000 --> 00:18:40,399 Speaker 5: We just would like superimpose him into the team photo. 381 00:18:40,680 --> 00:18:42,080 Speaker 5: So I know it can be done. 382 00:18:42,520 --> 00:18:45,119 Speaker 1: There's only one Matt Hasselbeck. Wait for the photo, guys, 383 00:18:45,320 --> 00:18:50,360 Speaker 1: great sen you see it. Colin all right, No, it's 384 00:18:51,600 --> 00:18:54,680 Speaker 1: the end. I think one of the things he said 385 00:18:54,680 --> 00:18:58,080 Speaker 1: that which I've touched on is that if you struggle, 386 00:18:59,200 --> 00:19:04,000 Speaker 1: players take cues from the quarterback. His temperament, his body language. 387 00:19:04,400 --> 00:19:06,399 Speaker 1: I used to be very critical of Jay Cutler. I 388 00:19:06,400 --> 00:19:09,400 Speaker 1: thought he had horrible body language. He'd go stand by himself, 389 00:19:09,720 --> 00:19:11,840 Speaker 1: he'd sit there and he'd get moody. I'm like, bro', 390 00:19:12,000 --> 00:19:14,880 Speaker 1: that's not it. You gotta be with a fellas you got. 391 00:19:15,000 --> 00:19:17,679 Speaker 1: And there's another quarterback that does that currently in the NFL. 392 00:19:17,720 --> 00:19:20,119 Speaker 1: He's an older guy playing in Pittsburgh. I'm just not 393 00:19:20,200 --> 00:19:23,919 Speaker 1: a fan of that. I want you part of the group. 394 00:19:24,520 --> 00:19:28,560 Speaker 1: So it's something body language is clearly something. 395 00:19:28,480 --> 00:19:31,560 Speaker 2: One more heard. 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Listen Over Promised with 425 00:20:36,240 --> 00:20:39,320 Speaker 9: Cavino and Rich on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or 426 00:20:39,359 --> 00:20:42,320 Speaker 9: wherever you get your podcasts. 427 00:20:42,440 --> 00:20:47,840 Speaker 1: So here I gotta I'm just gonna. You know, all 428 00:20:47,880 --> 00:20:51,800 Speaker 1: I do is journalism. Here just journalism. I'm just reading 429 00:20:51,800 --> 00:20:54,960 Speaker 1: a story from a very respected reporter at the Athletic 430 00:20:55,000 --> 00:20:57,040 Speaker 1: on the Pittsburgh Steelers Aaron Rodgers Camp. 431 00:20:57,119 --> 00:20:58,800 Speaker 3: It's getting a lot of hype. 432 00:20:59,359 --> 00:21:05,240 Speaker 1: Latroe another day, another dominant performance from the defense. Seven 433 00:21:05,320 --> 00:21:08,880 Speaker 1: shots in the last practice, six to one defense Aaron Rodgers, 434 00:21:08,880 --> 00:21:12,919 Speaker 1: oh for three. Steelers ended practice another goal line drill, 435 00:21:13,400 --> 00:21:17,360 Speaker 1: didn't go anybody for the offense, and so he listed 436 00:21:17,520 --> 00:21:19,920 Speaker 1: the reporter of the four problems with the offense. 437 00:21:20,880 --> 00:21:23,359 Speaker 3: Stop me if you've heard these before from the New 438 00:21:23,440 --> 00:21:27,919 Speaker 3: York Jets. Number one, they can't run the football. Jets 439 00:21:27,920 --> 00:21:30,600 Speaker 3: were thirty first last year. Couldn't run the football. 440 00:21:30,800 --> 00:21:34,840 Speaker 1: Apparently, the Steelers in practice can't run the football. Number two, 441 00:21:35,160 --> 00:21:38,359 Speaker 1: their vertical passing game in Pittsburgh's not in sync. So 442 00:21:38,880 --> 00:21:43,280 Speaker 1: Aaron is dumping stuff off for short, quick passes. That 443 00:21:43,480 --> 00:21:50,800 Speaker 1: was the Jets last year. Wide receiver two not dependable. Oh, 444 00:21:51,480 --> 00:21:54,080 Speaker 1: sort of like Alan Lazarre not living up to his 445 00:21:54,160 --> 00:21:57,359 Speaker 1: contract in New York. Number four is the young. Offensive 446 00:21:57,359 --> 00:22:01,600 Speaker 1: tackles are tape taking their lumps. The O line is unsteady. 447 00:22:02,040 --> 00:22:04,920 Speaker 1: All the Steelers are for Aaron Rodgers is a more 448 00:22:05,119 --> 00:22:13,480 Speaker 1: organized Jets defensive coach, defensive culture. Aaron doesn't trust the 449 00:22:13,480 --> 00:22:17,000 Speaker 1: old line. A lot of stuff is quick. You've got 450 00:22:17,000 --> 00:22:19,600 Speaker 1: a number one receiver, but can't really depend on a 451 00:22:19,680 --> 00:22:24,879 Speaker 1: two despite draft capital and spending money on it. The 452 00:22:25,000 --> 00:22:28,040 Speaker 1: Jets did too, Remember they drafted the old lineman from 453 00:22:28,040 --> 00:22:30,960 Speaker 1: Penn State. They spent money on a right tackle, and 454 00:22:31,040 --> 00:22:34,600 Speaker 1: yet their on line finished seventeenth. The Steelers keep drafting 455 00:22:34,640 --> 00:22:36,720 Speaker 1: offensive lineman and spending money on it. 456 00:22:36,720 --> 00:22:37,600 Speaker 3: It's not any good. 457 00:22:38,320 --> 00:22:42,359 Speaker 1: So this idea that they're all in in Pittsburgh go 458 00:22:42,480 --> 00:22:46,560 Speaker 1: read this story by Mike di Favo on the Steelers. 459 00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:50,560 Speaker 1: It's just the Jets. Like McDonald's and Burger King. McDonald's 460 00:22:50,560 --> 00:22:53,080 Speaker 1: is just more buttoned up than Burger King. It's still 461 00:22:53,160 --> 00:22:56,400 Speaker 1: fast food. Okay, you're not going to convince me it's 462 00:22:56,440 --> 00:22:59,920 Speaker 1: anything more. It's good fast food. But my point is 463 00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:05,120 Speaker 1: we're dressing this up. Aaron, like a lot of older quarterbacks, 464 00:23:05,640 --> 00:23:08,240 Speaker 1: if he doesn't have a run game, and he doesn't 465 00:23:08,280 --> 00:23:11,040 Speaker 1: have a number two receiver, and he doesn't trust the 466 00:23:11,080 --> 00:23:13,960 Speaker 1: old line, he's not taking hits. He not taking one 467 00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:16,280 Speaker 1: for the team. Aaron's getting rid of that puppy. Matt 468 00:23:16,320 --> 00:23:19,320 Speaker 1: Stafford's the only old guy at quarterback in this league 469 00:23:19,400 --> 00:23:21,040 Speaker 1: that will stand in the pocket. 470 00:23:20,680 --> 00:23:23,040 Speaker 3: And get drilled over and over. 471 00:23:23,160 --> 00:23:26,080 Speaker 1: And that's why Matt in his late thirties is kind 472 00:23:26,080 --> 00:23:32,120 Speaker 1: of falling apart. So this story is, you know, it's 473 00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:36,320 Speaker 1: the Jets number two receiver, doesn't trust the old line, 474 00:23:36,600 --> 00:23:40,600 Speaker 1: can't run it. Defensive coach, defensive culture. Aaron's getting ready 475 00:23:40,800 --> 00:23:44,760 Speaker 1: rid of the ball quickly in practice defense, dominate defense. 476 00:23:45,320 --> 00:23:46,200 Speaker 3: Here's Mike de Fabo. 477 00:23:47,880 --> 00:23:51,720 Speaker 7: People are getting impatient. They want success and they haven't 478 00:23:51,760 --> 00:23:53,639 Speaker 7: had it, you know. And I just look at the 479 00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:56,879 Speaker 7: fact that there have been in the history of the NFL, 480 00:23:56,920 --> 00:23:59,720 Speaker 7: in the Super Bowl era, quarterbacks that were forty of 481 00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:03,960 Speaker 7: one combined twelve games in the playoffs. Tom Brady has ten. 482 00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:07,400 Speaker 7: Every other quarterback has two combined. And here the Steelers 483 00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:10,360 Speaker 7: are throwing their face behind assume to be forty two 484 00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:13,600 Speaker 7: year old Aaron Rodgers to try to snap that skidding. 485 00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:16,840 Speaker 1: And this is why I said I thought Aaron would 486 00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:21,920 Speaker 1: retire and not go to Pittsburgh Online issues defensive culture, 487 00:24:22,359 --> 00:24:28,920 Speaker 1: los Najee Harris and their left tackle. This story reads 488 00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:31,280 Speaker 1: like it's the Jets, just a more organized version. And 489 00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:36,040 Speaker 1: if you look at the Steelers schedule starting October sixteenth on, 490 00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:40,280 Speaker 1: it's a lot of Lamar Jackson's and Joe Burrows and 491 00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:46,520 Speaker 1: Justin Herbert and Josh Allen's and that Detroit offense. That's schedule. 492 00:24:46,560 --> 00:24:49,680 Speaker 1: They got some time early to make Hay. But when 493 00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:53,080 Speaker 1: you have a lot of new people and Aaron's not 494 00:24:53,119 --> 00:24:55,600 Speaker 1: going to play in the preseason, it's reasonable to think 495 00:24:55,600 --> 00:24:59,160 Speaker 1: the Steelers won't be great in September. Well they better 496 00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:03,199 Speaker 1: be because October we're sixteenth on. They're facing Burrow and 497 00:25:03,320 --> 00:25:07,479 Speaker 1: Lamar and Josh Allen and Justin Herbert there facing a 498 00:25:07,640 --> 00:25:08,800 Speaker 1: lot of good offenses. 499 00:25:09,440 --> 00:25:10,160 Speaker 3: J Mack with a. 500 00:25:10,119 --> 00:25:14,880 Speaker 2: News no, no turn on the news. This is the 501 00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:16,600 Speaker 2: headline news. 502 00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:20,000 Speaker 4: Let's go to the nation's capital, Colin and talk about 503 00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:24,520 Speaker 4: the Washington Commanders in this Terry McLaurin situation. So last week, 504 00:25:24,560 --> 00:25:27,000 Speaker 4: while I was on vacation and you were jet setting 505 00:25:27,080 --> 00:25:32,160 Speaker 4: in the Northeast, Terry McLaurin requested a trade as contract 506 00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:35,760 Speaker 4: negotiations have stalled. Well, Dan Quinn spoke to the media 507 00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:37,960 Speaker 4: this weekend about the McLaurin situation. 508 00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:42,360 Speaker 10: For Terry, and you know the trade request, Like man, 509 00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:45,560 Speaker 10: that's that's part of normal business that you know, it's 510 00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:46,920 Speaker 10: happening around the NFL. 511 00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:48,720 Speaker 2: It's normal, We understand it. 512 00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:52,160 Speaker 10: Sometimes those are the emotions and that's the human side 513 00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:55,040 Speaker 10: of it, right, And knowing there can be emotions, that's 514 00:25:55,080 --> 00:25:57,359 Speaker 10: the ones he attached to at that moment. And so 515 00:25:57,880 --> 00:26:01,280 Speaker 10: for me as the coach, give the support, you know, 516 00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:06,000 Speaker 10: give the insights. Do you want advice, and so that's 517 00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:07,399 Speaker 10: the way that you do it. But it is an 518 00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:11,399 Speaker 10: emotional time, it's so damn important and each player it 519 00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:14,000 Speaker 10: won't be quite the same in how that's happening. 520 00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:20,040 Speaker 1: Well, I think we both liked the Debo move. In fact, 521 00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:22,840 Speaker 1: we had said before they acquired Deebo God Deebo would 522 00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:26,240 Speaker 1: be the perfect chess piece for Kingsbury and Jayden Daniels. 523 00:26:27,080 --> 00:26:29,880 Speaker 1: The downside to that is, as long as you take 524 00:26:29,920 --> 00:26:35,400 Speaker 1: care of crazy productive Terry McLaurin. Yeah, I mean, this 525 00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:38,199 Speaker 1: one feels like and I don't side with the players 526 00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:41,680 Speaker 1: in all cases. This feels like you gotta take care 527 00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:44,800 Speaker 1: of McLaurin because it also sends a message to young players. 528 00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:47,560 Speaker 1: You're gonna pay the new guy and not the most 529 00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:49,800 Speaker 1: dependable guy in the locker room for four straight years. 530 00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:51,880 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, Colin, we could go back, Yeah, ten 531 00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:55,160 Speaker 4: fifteen years. Players hold out all the time, they want 532 00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:57,320 Speaker 4: their contract, and eventually it gets done. You know, it 533 00:26:57,400 --> 00:27:00,119 Speaker 4: might be right before the season. Darrell Reeves and my ye, 534 00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:01,960 Speaker 4: I'm sure you remember back in the day it was ugly. 535 00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:04,840 Speaker 4: Oh my gosh, he's now how to lose him? It's fine, 536 00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:07,360 Speaker 4: he's playing. He's an all bro you know Miles Garrett 537 00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:10,200 Speaker 4: with the Browns, remember, not that far long ago. I'm 538 00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:12,919 Speaker 4: holding out, I demanded trade and then he shows up 539 00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:14,119 Speaker 4: and plays in as a monster like. 540 00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:15,520 Speaker 2: I can't get too. 541 00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:17,639 Speaker 4: Worked up about it, but it is news today and 542 00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:21,960 Speaker 4: he's not signed. Now Kingsbury gets him with Deebo and 543 00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:25,720 Speaker 4: Jaden and Laramie Tunzel. I don't see how Washington can't 544 00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:27,720 Speaker 4: be in the mix. To maybe go to the Super 545 00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:29,960 Speaker 4: Bowl from the NFC. It just makes all the sense 546 00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:33,280 Speaker 4: in the world. Let's go to another situation and near 547 00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:36,520 Speaker 4: the nation's capital. That's a Baltimore Ravens and Lamar Jackson. 548 00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:40,800 Speaker 4: John Harbaugh spoke so highly of Lamar's passing, saying, are 549 00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:44,080 Speaker 4: you ready for this? He is a historically good passer. 550 00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:47,720 Speaker 4: He's as good of a passer as there's ever been, 551 00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:51,000 Speaker 4: and the numbers are proving that. Colin our staff Doug 552 00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:54,399 Speaker 4: Deep highest passer rating in the NFL all time. Are 553 00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:54,919 Speaker 4: you ready for this? 554 00:27:55,520 --> 00:27:56,200 Speaker 3: Yeah? 555 00:27:56,359 --> 00:28:02,399 Speaker 4: Aaron Rodgers one, Patrick Mahomes two, Lama Jackson three all time. 556 00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:05,560 Speaker 4: I don't see Tom Brady on there. I don't see 557 00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:08,359 Speaker 4: Josh Allen. I don't see Joe Montana again. 558 00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:09,480 Speaker 3: Passer rating. 559 00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:10,639 Speaker 4: I'm kiddous. 560 00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:15,400 Speaker 1: It's something Russell Wilson's fifth, Tony Romo's up there. It's 561 00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:19,480 Speaker 1: it's something I've been on. I think I've been pretty 562 00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:23,159 Speaker 1: consistent on this. I thought the questions about Lamar in 563 00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:25,520 Speaker 1: the pocket were valid for two years. I don't think 564 00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:27,479 Speaker 1: they're valid for the last three. I think he's a 565 00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:30,560 Speaker 1: really good pocket quarterback. If Mark Andrews didn't have the 566 00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:32,960 Speaker 1: worst game, he's ever had as a college or a 567 00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:34,080 Speaker 1: collegiate or a pro. 568 00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:35,639 Speaker 3: They went a playoff game. 569 00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:38,200 Speaker 4: Wait, hold on, Just to be clear, Lamar was bad 570 00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:40,320 Speaker 4: in the first half and dug them a hole. Right, 571 00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:43,480 Speaker 4: he had the I think two journals clear. Patrick Mahomes 572 00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:45,920 Speaker 4: had eight bad games last year. Like it's if you 573 00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:48,560 Speaker 4: don't have I mean, let's be honest. Burrow was better 574 00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:51,760 Speaker 4: than Mahomes last year. Lamar was better than Mahomes. Alan 575 00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:53,720 Speaker 4: was better than Mahomes. Like, there was a lot of. 576 00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:55,080 Speaker 3: Guys better than Mahomes. Last year. 577 00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:57,280 Speaker 4: Malmes had Super Bowl So it's like, who cares He's 578 00:28:57,320 --> 00:29:00,239 Speaker 4: got super Bowls? You know, Like Lamar doesn't have one. 579 00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:03,120 Speaker 4: Where is Lamar's signature playoff win? And again, I'm not 580 00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:06,200 Speaker 4: basking Lamar. He's obviously great and all time great, But 581 00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:08,120 Speaker 4: where where is the signature playoff win? 582 00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:11,360 Speaker 1: Colin, We're still waiting if Lamar Jackson becomes Charles Barkley. 583 00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:14,720 Speaker 4: Don't really has anything wrong with that, Like Peter. 584 00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:15,640 Speaker 3: Do I have? 585 00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:18,760 Speaker 1: I have? I'm done defending Lamar. I watch the games 586 00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:23,880 Speaker 1: he looks. I mean, I don't know this for sure, 587 00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:28,640 Speaker 1: but I bet it's true. Last five years in the 588 00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:33,400 Speaker 1: NFL has any team had more blowout wins than Baltimore. 589 00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:39,560 Speaker 1: And what that shows is when Lamar solves your riddle defensively, 590 00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:42,400 Speaker 1: he is the ultimate. 591 00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:49,920 Speaker 3: Freight train playing downhill. The way to beat Lamar is generally. 592 00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:53,960 Speaker 1: You get ahead of him, you take out the running component, 593 00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:57,720 Speaker 1: and he becomes strictly a pocket guy. Well, nobody's good. 594 00:29:57,760 --> 00:29:59,880 Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield's not as good. If you know he's throwing, 595 00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:02,760 Speaker 1: it doesn't matter. But when when he can play in 596 00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:06,160 Speaker 1: a close game or play with a lead, he's a nightmare. 597 00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:11,320 Speaker 1: That's why Baltimore time and time again just caves people, 598 00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:12,800 Speaker 1: just rolls teams, which is. 599 00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:16,160 Speaker 4: What reminds me of prime James Harden in Houston. He 600 00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:20,280 Speaker 4: was unstoppable, leading the league in scoring, historically great offense, 601 00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:23,360 Speaker 4: sixty plus wins, and then in the playoffs he doesn't 602 00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:25,840 Speaker 4: totally deliver. And I'll say this just I know Ravens 603 00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:28,320 Speaker 4: fans are probably upseting me for, you know, not saying 604 00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:31,240 Speaker 4: Lamar is amazing. Colin. I was so loaded up on 605 00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:33,160 Speaker 4: them against the Chiefs in that playoff game at home, 606 00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:35,960 Speaker 4: and I thought that was the worst offensive game plan 607 00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:38,720 Speaker 4: I've ever seen in a high leverage spot. They came 608 00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:41,080 Speaker 4: out and were so ugly down. I think it was 609 00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:43,640 Speaker 4: fourteen nothing right out of the gate at home, and 610 00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:45,520 Speaker 4: I was just I was like, I'm done. I'm done 611 00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:48,880 Speaker 4: betting Lamar in January against good teams Colin. Final story 612 00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:52,520 Speaker 4: is the Colts and their quarterback battle. Yes, we're calling 613 00:30:52,520 --> 00:30:56,240 Speaker 4: it a battle. Daniel Jones verse, come on, they wrote 614 00:30:56,320 --> 00:30:58,320 Speaker 4: off injured Anthony Richardson. 615 00:30:58,800 --> 00:30:59,440 Speaker 2: How about this one? 616 00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:03,120 Speaker 4: According to Adam Schefter, Indy has listed QB one on 617 00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:10,040 Speaker 4: the unofficial unofficial depth chart as Daniel Jones or Anthony Richardson, 618 00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:13,160 Speaker 4: so technically there's no number one. Yet it is an 619 00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:16,640 Speaker 4: actual battle, a showdown. Pennick's cousins is not a battle. 620 00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:20,280 Speaker 4: Pennix is the guy Russell Wilson Dart is not a 621 00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:24,560 Speaker 4: battle yet. This is the only true quarterback battle between 622 00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:27,200 Speaker 4: two Cleveland has like three or four guys who knows 623 00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:29,720 Speaker 4: what you want to take a gander on who gets 624 00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:30,200 Speaker 4: the start? 625 00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:32,280 Speaker 3: Well, I think Daniel Jones is better? 626 00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:32,760 Speaker 2: Oh so. 627 00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:34,920 Speaker 4: Better? 628 00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:36,680 Speaker 3: What better quarterback? 629 00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:38,680 Speaker 4: What evidence is it about? 630 00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:39,760 Speaker 3: Well, he won a. 631 00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:42,320 Speaker 1: Playoff game, Anthony Richardson struggling to complete. 632 00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:45,520 Speaker 4: That's a low broad up a winning a playoff game. 633 00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:49,120 Speaker 4: Come on, that's something Mark Sanchez has won four playoff games. 634 00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:51,440 Speaker 4: That's more than Lamar Jackson. What does that mean? No 635 00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:53,560 Speaker 4: disrespect to Mark. I know he listens a lot to 636 00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:56,320 Speaker 4: my guy, But to be real, like, I think you 637 00:31:56,360 --> 00:32:01,120 Speaker 4: got to go Anthony Richardson, Stiching, you were drafted to Ward. Sorry, 638 00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:03,600 Speaker 4: you guys drafted Richardson so you could work with him. 639 00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:07,400 Speaker 4: Stike and crusted with Jalen Hurts. Six Anthony Richardson, Daniel 640 00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:09,040 Speaker 4: Jones is not the Antya. 641 00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:12,840 Speaker 1: But Jalen Hurts kept getting better. Anthony richards and Josh 642 00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:14,320 Speaker 1: Allen kept getting better. 643 00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:17,080 Speaker 4: Give him a chance. He had like fifteen college starts. 644 00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:18,200 Speaker 2: Maybe we don't hear. 645 00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:21,560 Speaker 1: Those days are over. I don't want to hear about that. 646 00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:23,520 Speaker 1: You went to cams, she went to seven on seven's, 647 00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:25,160 Speaker 1: you were dominant. You got a lot of snaps. I 648 00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:26,800 Speaker 1: don't want to hear about only so many starts. Then 649 00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:29,680 Speaker 1: don't draft him. I was thinking about this weekend. I 650 00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:32,960 Speaker 1: was reading all the press clippings about teams. This whole 651 00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:35,200 Speaker 1: thing about a guy is young. 652 00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:39,360 Speaker 3: I mean, he's younger. I don't care. Maybe at left, 653 00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:40,800 Speaker 3: maybe at right. 654 00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:44,880 Speaker 1: Tackle or slot, at quarterback, I don't care about it. 655 00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:46,680 Speaker 1: I'm not going to draft you if you're that young. 656 00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:50,360 Speaker 1: I mean, Lamar Jackson is still young. Who cares? He 657 00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:52,000 Speaker 1: was good as first year in the league. I don't 658 00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:53,560 Speaker 1: care about your age or your starts. 659 00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:56,240 Speaker 3: You need to be good now. It's quarterback. 660 00:32:56,320 --> 00:32:59,120 Speaker 1: It's the NFL. It's not the CFL. It's not left tackle, 661 00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:02,640 Speaker 1: which is also a valuable position. It's quarterback. I don't 662 00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:07,640 Speaker 1: care about your agent starts. Be good now, man may. 663 00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:09,360 Speaker 4: Who have you been hanging out with Chris Ballard or something? 664 00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:13,240 Speaker 4: Goodness gracious, how about this the Ravens. I was right 665 00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:14,520 Speaker 4: on that Lamar instead. 666 00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:17,440 Speaker 1: The Ravens have the most wins by fourteen or more 667 00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:21,120 Speaker 1: points since twenty nineteen, when Lamar became a full time starter. 668 00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:23,560 Speaker 3: Why is that? It's not just coaching. 669 00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:26,360 Speaker 1: It's because when Lamar, when the game is close or 670 00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:30,720 Speaker 1: Baltimore leads, he's virtually impossible that the game when you 671 00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:33,800 Speaker 1: can force him get when you're down fourteen points in 672 00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:36,200 Speaker 1: the third quarter and you need big chunks of yards 673 00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:39,600 Speaker 1: through the air, and they have like Zay Flowers is 674 00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:40,280 Speaker 1: their number one. 675 00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:42,720 Speaker 3: It's a running back. Lamar tight end offense. 676 00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:45,080 Speaker 1: That's when he gets into trouble and a lot of 677 00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:49,160 Speaker 1: that's because he's facing Sean McDermott and Spags, who are 678 00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:50,320 Speaker 1: great defensive minds. 679 00:33:50,760 --> 00:33:51,720 Speaker 3: So don't. 680 00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:55,160 Speaker 1: I don't hold the playoffs stuff against Lamar as much 681 00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:56,400 Speaker 1: as everybody else, does. 682 00:33:56,600 --> 00:33:57,960 Speaker 3: You hold on? 683 00:33:58,040 --> 00:34:02,000 Speaker 4: Are you saying you value regular he's in blowouts over 684 00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:03,000 Speaker 4: playoff games? 685 00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:10,440 Speaker 1: I value in football everything. Obviously January football is more crucial. 686 00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:13,600 Speaker 1: But I've always said with Lamar, if you win seventy 687 00:34:13,640 --> 00:34:17,160 Speaker 1: six percent of your starts, you're you're in a class 688 00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:19,359 Speaker 1: of well two percent of quarterbacks all time. 689 00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:19,680 Speaker 7: Yeah. 690 00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:23,560 Speaker 1: No, No, he's bourselves. It's an all time great coach. 691 00:34:23,640 --> 00:34:26,840 Speaker 1: He won fifty five percent of his games, So seventy 692 00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:29,440 Speaker 1: six when you're in a division with Joe Burrow, the 693 00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:33,200 Speaker 1: Steelers in the conference the AFC right now, and Baltimore 694 00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:36,280 Speaker 1: wins seventy six percent of its games, the most blowout 695 00:34:36,280 --> 00:34:37,600 Speaker 1: since Lamar's I'm good with it. 696 00:34:37,680 --> 00:34:40,280 Speaker 4: Okay, fine, But if I ask you Colin, which quarterback 697 00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:42,680 Speaker 4: in the NFL is under the most pressure is season? 698 00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:48,359 Speaker 4: What's the answer. You gotta think about this. If you say, 699 00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:52,200 Speaker 4: Caleb Williams. 700 00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:51,600 Speaker 3: Here's the litmus test. 701 00:34:53,560 --> 00:34:57,840 Speaker 1: If you told me Lamar Jackson, I'm a general manager, 702 00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:02,959 Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson or blank. There's only two quarterbacks in this league. 703 00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:06,520 Speaker 1: I take him over Josh Allen and Mahomes. He'd be third. 704 00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:12,239 Speaker 1: Note Burrells had two injuries, one more and I got 705 00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:15,480 Speaker 1: to get in their quarterback. Okay, so I would take 706 00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:18,040 Speaker 1: Josh Allen over him. I would take Mahomes over him. 707 00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:18,879 Speaker 2: That's it. 708 00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:22,000 Speaker 4: It did all presidential debate. Let the audience know, you 709 00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:28,759 Speaker 4: just deflected my question. It's called savvy politicking. And I 710 00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:32,600 Speaker 4: love Burrow, but Joe's got two injuries. Joe's got and 711 00:35:32,719 --> 00:35:34,080 Speaker 4: we have to be fair about this stuff. 712 00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:40,760 Speaker 1: You mcl acl like, yeah, all right, Jmack with the news. 713 00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:44,680 Speaker 2: Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the 714 00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:47,160 Speaker 2: Herd Line News. 715 00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:50,560 Speaker 1: Youah the throwing wrist isshue. I thought my producer was 716 00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:52,000 Speaker 1: telling me to wrap up. He was giving me a 717 00:35:52,040 --> 00:35:56,560 Speaker 1: sign for the throwing risk issue. Joe Burrow uh Lebron's 718 00:35:56,600 --> 00:35:58,360 Speaker 1: officially a number two on the Lakers. 719 00:35:58,440 --> 00:35:58,680 Speaker 3: Next. 720 00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:01,560 Speaker 2: Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays 721 00:36:01,560 --> 00:36:04,720 Speaker 2: in noon eastern non a em Pacific on Fox Sports 722 00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:07,640 Speaker 2: Radio FS one and the iHeartRadio app. 723 00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:12,880 Speaker 4: Alex Hellos legendary season rolls on as the Eyes, a 724 00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:16,680 Speaker 4: historic three feet and looks to move one step closer 725 00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:20,680 Speaker 4: to the single season wins record in Portland Sunday at 726 00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:22,040 Speaker 4: three Eastern only on Fox. 727 00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:25,400 Speaker 1: By the way, here was a weird topic. When I 728 00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:28,040 Speaker 1: was on vacation, I thought this was such a weird topic. 729 00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:32,920 Speaker 1: There are people saying when the Lakers won in the Bubble, 730 00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:37,520 Speaker 1: it wasn't a legitimate championship. And my take in it 731 00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:42,080 Speaker 1: was harder. If you go look at the bubble old teams. 732 00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:44,160 Speaker 1: For the only time in my life, like old teams 733 00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:47,360 Speaker 1: were deflated. They regressed because they missed their kids and 734 00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:49,960 Speaker 1: their families because you had to go live in a bubble. 735 00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:53,000 Speaker 1: The Lakers were the only veteran driven team that actually 736 00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:56,360 Speaker 1: played better, and that Laker team in that bubble was 737 00:36:56,400 --> 00:36:58,759 Speaker 1: the number one team in the NBA. They would have 738 00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:01,359 Speaker 1: home court advantage in the playoffs. They didn't get that 739 00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:03,880 Speaker 1: in the Bubble, so it was a huge disadvantage for 740 00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:05,759 Speaker 1: the Lakers, who would have been playing in front of 741 00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:08,040 Speaker 1: a home crowd. They had to go play in Orlando. 742 00:37:09,080 --> 00:37:11,960 Speaker 1: He had a vending machines. It was a huge disadvantage 743 00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:14,359 Speaker 1: for the Lakers. So I don't get that topic at all, 744 00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:16,480 Speaker 1: and I'm not a Laker. Home I've been very critical 745 00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:19,920 Speaker 1: of the organization, but they just signed Luca to a 746 00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:22,160 Speaker 1: new contract three years, one hundred and sixty five million. 747 00:37:22,680 --> 00:37:24,799 Speaker 1: He's an incredible shape. I think he's going to have 748 00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:26,960 Speaker 1: a massive year. But this is the one thing the 749 00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:30,640 Speaker 1: Lakers do well. So Luca's twenty six, he's got an 750 00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:36,719 Speaker 1: eight year runway, ten year runway, and Lebron's forty forty one. 751 00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:38,839 Speaker 1: When the season starts and doesn't have a runway, I mean, 752 00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:40,200 Speaker 1: if he's good, he's good, but you. 753 00:37:40,080 --> 00:37:41,080 Speaker 3: Can't build around him. 754 00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:44,480 Speaker 1: The Lakers, more than any organization in the history of 755 00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:46,160 Speaker 1: North American sports. 756 00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:50,920 Speaker 3: Always have a great face of the franchise. You can 757 00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:51,200 Speaker 3: go back. 758 00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:54,359 Speaker 1: I started watching sports on TV at nineteen seventy two. 759 00:37:54,680 --> 00:37:56,359 Speaker 1: I had a black and white TV in my room. 760 00:37:56,400 --> 00:37:59,800 Speaker 1: I was eight years old. I watched the Washington Miami Dolphins, 761 00:37:59,840 --> 00:38:03,239 Speaker 1: who I remember that, and my friend Jeff came over. 762 00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:05,920 Speaker 1: We watched that, and then then I watched some NBA 763 00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:08,440 Speaker 1: games in seventy two. But if you go back to 764 00:38:08,520 --> 00:38:12,800 Speaker 1: that time, the late sixties early seventies, just think about 765 00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:16,799 Speaker 1: the Lakers face of the franchise player Jerry West, the 766 00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:21,800 Speaker 1: logo into the hundred point game, guy Wilt into Kareem, 767 00:38:22,200 --> 00:38:27,200 Speaker 1: into Magic, into Shaq, into Kobe, into Lebron and now 768 00:38:27,239 --> 00:38:30,200 Speaker 1: into Luca. Lucas clearly the number one. Lebron's clearly the 769 00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:30,879 Speaker 1: number two, and. 770 00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:31,239 Speaker 3: He knows it. 771 00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:35,840 Speaker 1: Nobody's ever done that that, no franchise, maybe a real Madrid. 772 00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:38,600 Speaker 1: I don't follow it like nobody does that. And the 773 00:38:38,680 --> 00:38:41,879 Speaker 1: Lakers also, not only do they nail their number one, 774 00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:44,560 Speaker 1: they always have almost always have a great number two. 775 00:38:44,600 --> 00:38:47,360 Speaker 1: I mean Kobe was a two to Shaq, Pau Gasol 776 00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:49,600 Speaker 1: was an All Star, was a two to Kobe, James 777 00:38:49,640 --> 00:38:53,640 Speaker 1: Worthy was a two to Magic, and Ad was a two. 778 00:38:53,719 --> 00:38:55,960 Speaker 1: Best defensive player in my opinion in the league. Last 779 00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:57,440 Speaker 1: year he was a two to Lebron. 780 00:38:57,800 --> 00:38:59,799 Speaker 3: Now Lebron's going to be the two to Luca. And 781 00:38:59,800 --> 00:39:01,040 Speaker 3: I say that because. 782 00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:04,120 Speaker 1: Last year Luca was not in good shape, he was puffy, 783 00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:07,240 Speaker 1: he was injured in camp to begin with. With Dallas 784 00:39:07,239 --> 00:39:09,160 Speaker 1: pre trade, I think Lucas is gonna have his best 785 00:39:09,239 --> 00:39:11,399 Speaker 1: year as a pro. I think Luca's going to average 786 00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:14,880 Speaker 1: about thirty one a game. I think he's in impeccable shape, 787 00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:18,200 Speaker 1: and I think you're going to see a real separation 788 00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:21,839 Speaker 1: on most nights with Luca and Lebron think. I think 789 00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:24,319 Speaker 1: Luca is going to play like the best player in 790 00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:28,440 Speaker 1: the league next year. And it's because the new owners. 791 00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:31,200 Speaker 1: The two best years if you go look at when Luca, 792 00:39:31,640 --> 00:39:34,200 Speaker 1: in my opinion, was in the best shape when he 793 00:39:34,239 --> 00:39:37,000 Speaker 1: broke into the league, he had something to prove first 794 00:39:37,080 --> 00:39:39,920 Speaker 1: year and a half, and now with the new Laker owners. 795 00:39:40,560 --> 00:39:43,759 Speaker 1: So hats off to the Lakers. And there have been 796 00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:46,080 Speaker 1: teams like you know, we've talked about this before. The 797 00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:48,920 Speaker 1: Chargers always get quarterback, right. I mean you can go 798 00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:52,200 Speaker 1: back to it's Dan Fouts, it's Drew Brees, it's Philip Rivers, 799 00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:55,799 Speaker 1: it's Justin Herbert. There are or Kansas City, he's done quarterbacks, right. 800 00:39:56,040 --> 00:40:00,480 Speaker 1: There are organizations that do certain positions, right. But I 801 00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:04,120 Speaker 1: mean the Lakers and their star they just figured out. 802 00:40:04,440 --> 00:40:06,759 Speaker 1: And a lot of the times, you know, it's hard 803 00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:09,520 Speaker 1: to believe they got Kobe and the Vladi DeVos trade, 804 00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:11,879 Speaker 1: or they got they got Luca on the A D trade. 805 00:40:11,880 --> 00:40:13,359 Speaker 1: A lot of the times it feels like they're they're 806 00:40:13,719 --> 00:40:18,440 Speaker 1: stealing players. Paw Gasol, I still remember sitting on an airplane. 807 00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:21,640 Speaker 1: I think it was Alaska Airlines window seat. I can 808 00:40:21,680 --> 00:40:25,160 Speaker 1: remember getting a call from her friend saying the Lakers 809 00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:27,759 Speaker 1: just got Pawlo Gasol. I'm like, what do they give up? 810 00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:33,399 Speaker 1: And it was some cork screws peanut brittle and I'm 811 00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:36,839 Speaker 1: like what that doesn't even make sense. So here's Luke 812 00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:38,240 Speaker 1: on his extension with the Lakers. 813 00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:42,360 Speaker 11: It's an honor, you know, playing for this organization. Many 814 00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:46,200 Speaker 11: many great players played here, so obviously I want to 815 00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:49,200 Speaker 11: add one more up there. So that's what we're working for. 816 00:40:49,480 --> 00:40:51,839 Speaker 11: Like I say, you know, being a Lakers in honor, 817 00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:55,560 Speaker 11: and I wanted to be here. So obviously when you 818 00:40:55,600 --> 00:40:58,200 Speaker 11: look up here, so many great names of what they achieved, 819 00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:00,560 Speaker 11: you know, I want to be up there to on 820 00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:00,960 Speaker 11: one day. 821 00:41:01,880 --> 00:41:05,239 Speaker 1: By the way, look at Luca last year playing. If 822 00:41:05,239 --> 00:41:08,879 Speaker 1: we show the video and look look at Luca there 823 00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:12,640 Speaker 1: in that suit. I mean you talk about transforming your body. 824 00:41:13,239 --> 00:41:18,000 Speaker 1: I mean he was puffy last year. That's being kind. 825 00:41:18,280 --> 00:41:24,400 Speaker 1: He was puffy, and I mean he's big. He is 826 00:41:24,520 --> 00:41:26,839 Speaker 1: wide and big. And then you know, when a guy 827 00:41:26,920 --> 00:41:29,640 Speaker 1: is confident, he doesn't wear socks to a press conference. 828 00:41:30,280 --> 00:41:32,960 Speaker 1: That is the first sign of guy is in good shape. 829 00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:36,839 Speaker 1: When a guy doesn't wear socks to a presser, it's 830 00:41:36,920 --> 00:41:40,960 Speaker 1: like I am looking and feeling good. You never see 831 00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:44,239 Speaker 1: plumbers at a press conference. If they you know, they 832 00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:46,399 Speaker 1: put on a little weight, they're wearing socks to their 833 00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:51,520 Speaker 1: plumber press conference. I mean, look at these pictures. Ja 834 00:41:51,640 --> 00:41:55,280 Speaker 1: Max be on it. Look at those pictures. He looks unbelievable. 835 00:41:55,360 --> 00:41:59,719 Speaker 4: Are you a fattist? What was that comment? He is 836 00:41:59,800 --> 00:42:01,759 Speaker 4: not lost that much weight, but he does look kind 837 00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:04,400 Speaker 4: of shredded like he's on the Jmac workout plan, does 838 00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:04,680 Speaker 4: he not? 839 00:42:04,760 --> 00:42:06,879 Speaker 1: No, no, dude, dude, go look at the present. We've 840 00:42:06,920 --> 00:42:09,400 Speaker 1: got no socks on. He's got the cool shoes that 841 00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:10,000 Speaker 1: that guy. 842 00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:12,360 Speaker 3: Is living Levina Locus. That's all I know.