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Speaker 1: with my buddy Jason bok Up in Spearfish, South Dakota.

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Speaker 1: out at bare dash hunting dot com. So we're in Spearfish,

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Speaker 1: South Dakota. Spearfish, South Dakota. There's there's not much snow

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Speaker 1: South Dakota is a pretty amazing place for wildlife. We're

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Speaker 1: some of that seal training and you describe to me

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Speaker 1: how you survive in the ice, which was pretty informative

428
00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:51,720
Speaker 1: for me. Let me, let me, let me go through it.

429
00:24:51,760 --> 00:24:53,720
Speaker 1: You tell me if I got okay. First of all,

430
00:24:53,920 --> 00:24:57,359
Speaker 1: everybody's going to go through this ultra shock of cold water.

431
00:24:58,160 --> 00:25:01,680
Speaker 1: Get over it. Let your body kind calm down, bob down,

432
00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:03,480
Speaker 1: and you're probably gonna come up in the same hole

433
00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:06,879
Speaker 1: you came up out of. Am I right paddle with

434
00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:09,919
Speaker 1: your back with your feet once you reach forward and

435
00:25:09,920 --> 00:25:12,840
Speaker 1: grabbed that ice, start kicking your hands on the ice

436
00:25:13,359 --> 00:25:17,359
Speaker 1: and flutter your feet till your body comes up. You

437
00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:19,320
Speaker 1: were going to swim right like you were gonna swim,

438
00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:22,960
Speaker 1: and then keep kicking to your so it's pushing your

439
00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:26,159
Speaker 1: body up onto the ice. Just keep going. If it's thin,

440
00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:28,479
Speaker 1: it'll bust a little bit underneath your front end. But

441
00:25:29,040 --> 00:25:30,920
Speaker 1: and then just kind of shimmy out onto the ice

442
00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:33,520
Speaker 1: and keep crawling away from the hole. And you you

443
00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:36,040
Speaker 1: said you said nodding. Nine out of a hundred people,

444
00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:39,119
Speaker 1: if they did that, they'd be totally okay. I was

445
00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:42,359
Speaker 1: thinking nine nine out of a hundred Navy seals maybe,

446
00:25:44,119 --> 00:25:47,919
Speaker 1: uh yeah, well it it yeah, growing up around it,

447
00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:50,440
Speaker 1: and then our family lived in Canada for four years

448
00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:52,879
Speaker 1: where we watched Semi's drive on the ice. That was

449
00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:56,040
Speaker 1: a little freaky. But yeah, that ice gets thick, it

450
00:25:56,080 --> 00:25:59,200
Speaker 1: gets strong. I've got no reference point from the thick ice. Yeah,

451
00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:05,320
Speaker 1: that's crazy easy, that's crazy. Well a what uh So,

452
00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:09,119
Speaker 1: let's first talk about Mountain Lions in South Dakota to

453
00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:12,240
Speaker 1: dive to the topic at hand. Here, tell me about

454
00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:14,480
Speaker 1: the A lot of people wouldn't know that there is

455
00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:17,480
Speaker 1: a Mountain Lions season, and it turns out it's only

456
00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:20,400
Speaker 1: open to South Dakota residents. Correct, But but I think

457
00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:24,480
Speaker 1: it's pretty interesting. Most mountain lions where there are seasons,

458
00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:27,480
Speaker 1: they're being hunt with dogs. I mean, like I would

459
00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:31,840
Speaker 1: venture to say that nine percent of mountain lions harvested

460
00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:38,040
Speaker 1: in North America legally are harvested over hounds. I mean,

461
00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:40,399
Speaker 1: I'm just pulling that number out of I have. But

462
00:26:40,760 --> 00:26:43,560
Speaker 1: very few people would kill them any other way, hunt

463
00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:45,440
Speaker 1: them any other way. But tell me about the hunt

464
00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:48,040
Speaker 1: here in South Dakosta. South Dakota has a year white

465
00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:52,520
Speaker 1: it's actually a year long lion season, So from January

466
00:26:52,560 --> 00:26:55,080
Speaker 1: to December thirty one you can hunt lions. But and

467
00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:58,840
Speaker 1: that's throughout the state of South Dakota. But the season

468
00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:00,960
Speaker 1: in the Black Hills, which is out in the western

469
00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:04,320
Speaker 1: edge of South Dakota and it blends into Wyoming, that

470
00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:07,760
Speaker 1: is a fall season in through the end of April.

471
00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:11,160
Speaker 1: Um anywhere outside of the Black Hills, if you see

472
00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:13,159
Speaker 1: a mountain lion and you have a tag, you can

473
00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:16,960
Speaker 1: shoot him all year long. Largely quota system. Uh, they

474
00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:19,720
Speaker 1: do have a quota system. It's sixty sixty in a

475
00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:24,119
Speaker 1: given year, sixty lions and they have to they you know,

476
00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:27,360
Speaker 1: certain ages, and and it's it once a forty females

477
00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:30,959
Speaker 1: get killed in that year. The season quote did they

478
00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:33,560
Speaker 1: ever make the quota. They haven't been a long time.

479
00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:36,040
Speaker 1: Last year, I want to say it was about twenty

480
00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:38,479
Speaker 1: one lions was all got killed last year. A lot

481
00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:40,720
Speaker 1: of it plays into the weather. Last year we didn't

482
00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:44,480
Speaker 1: have a lot of snow, and because we're not primarily

483
00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:47,879
Speaker 1: a dog hunting lion state, it's spotting stocks. The guys

484
00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:50,760
Speaker 1: are having to walk them down, and so without snow,

485
00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:53,240
Speaker 1: it's real tough to get onto a cat. Once you

486
00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:55,480
Speaker 1: have a lion tag, you can apply inside of a

487
00:27:55,520 --> 00:28:00,119
Speaker 1: lottery for different draws inside a Custer State Park, some

488
00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:03,479
Speaker 1: of which I think it's twelve or fifteen cats can

489
00:28:03,520 --> 00:28:06,440
Speaker 1: be taken over dogs three three cats at a time

490
00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:10,040
Speaker 1: during these little blocks of time throughout the fall spring season.

491
00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:18,359
Speaker 1: But primarily it's walk them down. So a lot of guys, uh,

492
00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:22,159
Speaker 1: it's a there's a very very passionate group of hunters

493
00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:25,119
Speaker 1: throughout the Black Hills. Black Hills Mountain lion Hunters h

494
00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:27,480
Speaker 1: if you look them up on Facebook, big shout out

495
00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:30,639
Speaker 1: to those guys. They're there there. It's a community of

496
00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:34,320
Speaker 1: hunters that are passionate about mountain lion hunting that really

497
00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:37,919
Speaker 1: share and talk and tricks and tips and some of

498
00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:40,480
Speaker 1: these guys, I mean, have taken a cat six seven

499
00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:43,400
Speaker 1: years in a row, more than happy to come together

500
00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:46,800
Speaker 1: spot and stop mountain lion hunting. And you know they'll

501
00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:48,640
Speaker 1: and they'll be the first ones to tell you you

502
00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:51,840
Speaker 1: gotta you gotta wait for snow and you're running the hills,

503
00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:54,080
Speaker 1: you're running the tracks up there with your pickup and

504
00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:56,760
Speaker 1: you cut a track and walk them down or you know,

505
00:28:56,880 --> 00:28:59,520
Speaker 1: And a lot of the guys learn to think like

506
00:28:59,560 --> 00:29:01,920
Speaker 1: a lion. They know how they run the ridge lines,

507
00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:04,240
Speaker 1: they know how the lions hunt, they know how they

508
00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:07,440
Speaker 1: behave and you know, taking a dear week, they know

509
00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:10,120
Speaker 1: what to look for if they find a dear killed

510
00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:13,280
Speaker 1: that's been buried, and how far the cat might range,

511
00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:15,440
Speaker 1: or you know, if he's sleeping off a belly full

512
00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:18,200
Speaker 1: of raw meat, what he might be doing. So it's

513
00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:22,320
Speaker 1: really a skill. But you know, having never hunted lions

514
00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:26,200
Speaker 1: outside of the Black Hills when this started, I didn't

515
00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:28,600
Speaker 1: know it wasn't normal that you had the spot in

516
00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:33,320
Speaker 1: stock lions, right, And so it uh the fact that

517
00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:36,480
Speaker 1: there is the opportunity to do it over dogs. Obviously

518
00:29:36,520 --> 00:29:39,520
Speaker 1: in Custer State Park, they can sex something, they can

519
00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:41,920
Speaker 1: figure out what that cat is up in a tree

520
00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:44,800
Speaker 1: um as opposed to the rest of us who are

521
00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:46,840
Speaker 1: walking down a cat. And as long as it's not

522
00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:50,000
Speaker 1: a spotted and as long as it's not with another cat,

523
00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:52,440
Speaker 1: it's fair game. But you don't know if you're getting

524
00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:53,960
Speaker 1: a young cat. You don't know if you're getting in

525
00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:55,680
Speaker 1: a way. And that's what we were talking about earlier,

526
00:29:55,840 --> 00:30:00,320
Speaker 1: was that there's there's been some talk about, you know,

527
00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:03,280
Speaker 1: if you're spotting stock in a mountain line, the difference

528
00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:06,600
Speaker 1: between a young mountain line and older mountain line in

529
00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:10,560
Speaker 1: a quick moment, it's would be pretty hard to judge.

530
00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:15,400
Speaker 1: And so I mean, you know there's maybe maybe somebody's

531
00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:19,760
Speaker 1: killing the juvenile line. Totally legal, totally legit. But but

532
00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:22,160
Speaker 1: you were saying that the houndsmen are like, hey, we're

533
00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:25,640
Speaker 1: we're able to judge these animals and make a decision

534
00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:27,840
Speaker 1: and take these older mature males. And that's something we

535
00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:30,400
Speaker 1: talked about all the time, is that you know, some

536
00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:32,360
Speaker 1: of these different honey methods that a lot of people

537
00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:40,880
Speaker 1: don't understand actually are very good tools for allowing selective harvest. Right. Yeah,

538
00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:43,840
Speaker 1: it you know, there's been a lot of discussion about it,

539
00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:46,360
Speaker 1: and I really enjoy the fact that you can do

540
00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:48,880
Speaker 1: it down in Custer State Park, and you know, at

541
00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:52,440
Speaker 1: the same time there's arguments on both sides on why

542
00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:54,200
Speaker 1: it would be good and why it would be bad.

543
00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:57,320
Speaker 1: Inside of the Black Hills is a general rule of thumb,

544
00:30:57,320 --> 00:31:00,800
Speaker 1: and you know it. It really is tough when you see,

545
00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:03,640
Speaker 1: you know, and and the game fishing parks will publish

546
00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:05,920
Speaker 1: because once you kill a lion in South Dakota, you've

547
00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:07,400
Speaker 1: got a certain amount of time where you gotta get

548
00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:10,160
Speaker 1: a guy, you gotta get one of the conservation officers

549
00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:12,320
Speaker 1: come way, the cat, measure the cat, do all that.

550
00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:15,200
Speaker 1: It's really tough when you see. You know, you're watching,

551
00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:18,560
Speaker 1: you're following the harvest as it's going because you're making

552
00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:22,120
Speaker 1: sure a forty females haven't been killed. But be the

553
00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:24,880
Speaker 1: season's open and you're watching and you're excited. You see

554
00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:27,600
Speaker 1: guys take a big monster tom and you know you

555
00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:29,640
Speaker 1: want to see the photos or you see, uh, you

556
00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:32,400
Speaker 1: see them the weights and the lengths of these cats

557
00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:35,200
Speaker 1: and the size of these cats come in and it's

558
00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:38,160
Speaker 1: real tough to see that. You know, forty pound or

559
00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:41,680
Speaker 1: thirty pound young young lion be one of the ones

560
00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:45,400
Speaker 1: in the that's been taken. You know, yeah it's not spotted.

561
00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:48,760
Speaker 1: But man, you know you always question how did you

562
00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:51,160
Speaker 1: not know? What was not that small? But it's exactly

563
00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:53,440
Speaker 1: that you take that snapshot, you see that cat looking

564
00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:56,960
Speaker 1: at you. It'd be hard to judge to bear, and

565
00:31:57,080 --> 00:32:00,600
Speaker 1: lions just standing out in the woods would probably be similar.

566
00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:03,760
Speaker 1: And that they without a point of reference or without

567
00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:07,040
Speaker 1: a lot of time, without seeing a move, maybe they'd

568
00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:10,600
Speaker 1: be hard to judge. But but still from a macro perspective,

569
00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:13,600
Speaker 1: you think of twenty maybe twenty lines last year killed

570
00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:16,360
Speaker 1: or something. I mean, this is just a drop in

571
00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:19,400
Speaker 1: the bucket of of of hunters being able to pull

572
00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:23,280
Speaker 1: animals out. So but the spot and stock thing, I

573
00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:26,440
Speaker 1: don't want it to sound like we're dogging on spot

574
00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:29,800
Speaker 1: and stock at all, but it's it's incredible that these

575
00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:32,000
Speaker 1: guys can do this. I was thinking when you were saying,

576
00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:34,560
Speaker 1: these guys really learn and become students of these lines.

577
00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:39,080
Speaker 1: When I was in New Mexico a few weeks ago. Uh,

578
00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:43,000
Speaker 1: the guy we were hunting with, he's freecasting dogs and

579
00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:46,440
Speaker 1: on and during line season. Sometimes he says if the

580
00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:49,120
Speaker 1: dogs are having a hard time on a track, he

581
00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:53,480
Speaker 1: will he will try to guess, not guess, but he'll

582
00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:56,880
Speaker 1: know about where that line was going, because lions are

583
00:32:56,960 --> 00:32:59,880
Speaker 1: pretty predictable. I've heard in terms of their travel paths,

584
00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:02,320
Speaker 1: like if if, if the dogs have struck him in

585
00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:05,760
Speaker 1: this canyon, there's a good chance that he's gonna cross

586
00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:07,840
Speaker 1: at the head of the canyon, and so you might

587
00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:10,640
Speaker 1: be able to skip two miles off the track and

588
00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:12,440
Speaker 1: go to the head of the canyon and bam, the

589
00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:14,880
Speaker 1: dogs are able to pick it up. I bet the

590
00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:17,240
Speaker 1: these guys are doing the same thing, very similar. I've

591
00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:19,880
Speaker 1: heard stories of these guys, you know, knowing if they're

592
00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:21,880
Speaker 1: hunting in the same area and they're picking up a

593
00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:24,280
Speaker 1: track in a certain you know, in a certain drawer,

594
00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:27,560
Speaker 1: cutting across a certain opening, and it's headed for a

595
00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:30,719
Speaker 1: ridge line, they know how that lion thinks, you know, yeah,

596
00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:33,280
Speaker 1: exactly that, And so they might go down and not

597
00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:35,800
Speaker 1: see a track across the road and then assume he's

598
00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:38,320
Speaker 1: still in the canyon or something like if it's going

599
00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:41,720
Speaker 1: a certain the houn's gonna do that, Like they'll track

600
00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:43,800
Speaker 1: goes into this canyon. Well, let's go to the other

601
00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:46,200
Speaker 1: side of the canyon. See if he's come out of

602
00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:48,400
Speaker 1: this canyon. You know, with snow you can see that

603
00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:51,880
Speaker 1: dry ground it's tougher. But yeah, so I could see

604
00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:55,440
Speaker 1: how people could do that. But yeah, there that we

605
00:33:56,160 --> 00:34:00,440
Speaker 1: I've really enjoyed watching that and uh, well you know

606
00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:03,680
Speaker 1: it's it's when you're up in the Black Hills and

607
00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:09,680
Speaker 1: you're hunting lions. I mean that's thrilling. You know. Let

608
00:34:09,680 --> 00:34:12,239
Speaker 1: me let me take a minute and describe, and you

609
00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:14,799
Speaker 1: can help me too. But people may not understand. They

610
00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:17,759
Speaker 1: may have no reference for South Dakota. Um. I mean

611
00:34:18,200 --> 00:34:21,000
Speaker 1: I wouldn't have until a few years ago. Really, but

612
00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:25,920
Speaker 1: like we drove all the entire length of South Dakota

613
00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:33,600
Speaker 1: just yesterday. Uh, for three quarters of the of the state.

614
00:34:33,640 --> 00:34:37,560
Speaker 1: It's it's flat to talk a country, I mean like

615
00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:45,080
Speaker 1: corn and grass really just grassland. Yeah, flat, well, rolling hill,

616
00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:50,680
Speaker 1: I won't say just flat button, but like just classic prairie.

617
00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:54,279
Speaker 1: And then just all of a sudden, you look out

618
00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:59,040
Speaker 1: on the horizon and you see literally black hills, and uh,

619
00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:03,560
Speaker 1: the to the topography just changes into this rugged karst

620
00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:09,080
Speaker 1: uh Rough mountain range that has pond rosa pines and

621
00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:11,839
Speaker 1: and from thirty miles away it looks black, right. I mean,

622
00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:14,120
Speaker 1: it's so easy to understand why they named it the

623
00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:18,200
Speaker 1: Black Hills. And uh these so the mountains literally that

624
00:35:18,239 --> 00:35:20,640
Speaker 1: we're in right here, I think we're talking the the

625
00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:25,359
Speaker 1: highest point in between your east of the Rockies is

626
00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:28,960
Speaker 1: her Harny Peak now called the Black Elk Peak Black

627
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:33,839
Speaker 1: Elk Peak, which is over seven thousand feet in South Dakota. Yeah,

628
00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:35,799
Speaker 1: I think most people think of South Dakota is a

629
00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:39,359
Speaker 1: prairie state. They don't really view it, you know, as

630
00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:40,919
Speaker 1: a as a mountain state. But I mean, you gotta

631
00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:44,960
Speaker 1: peak seven thousand feet. Um, where we're at here in

632
00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:47,920
Speaker 1: Spearfish is about thirty eight hundred feet where we went

633
00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:52,719
Speaker 1: today the sled was it's pretty good, pretty good elevation

634
00:35:53,160 --> 00:35:58,440
Speaker 1: and and just rough, cool looking mountains. Yeah, perfect, perfect,

635
00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:02,920
Speaker 1: perfect abotet from. I mean, one of the big ones

636
00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:05,440
Speaker 1: is the bird hunting and pheasants in South Dakota. Out

637
00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:09,239
Speaker 1: in those grasslands. They're not here at all. You'll occasionally

638
00:36:09,239 --> 00:36:11,600
Speaker 1: find one in a corn field sneaking around, but that's

639
00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:15,480
Speaker 1: about it. They're corn fields in the Black Hills occasionally. Yeah. Ok. Yeah,

640
00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:17,800
Speaker 1: Well that's a good place for us to talk about

641
00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:20,839
Speaker 1: the big game species in South Dakota. What big game

642
00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:23,640
Speaker 1: species are there in South Dakota. So we have of

643
00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:30,760
Speaker 1: course elk, mule deer, white tail, big horn sheep, mountain goat, mountain,

644
00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:35,799
Speaker 1: lion um. They consider the the Miriam Turkey's big game

645
00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:40,480
Speaker 1: in South Dakota. U. I don't know free ranging bison.

646
00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:43,880
Speaker 1: They well know they do. They do have a bison

647
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:46,719
Speaker 1: tag in Custer State Park that you can apply for,

648
00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:50,400
Speaker 1: and most of the most of the Boone and Crockett

649
00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:52,440
Speaker 1: records you'll see right now are coming out of Custer

650
00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:56,080
Speaker 1: State Park that's considered a free range. Ye free range

651
00:36:56,080 --> 00:36:58,840
Speaker 1: heard by Booty Crockett. Yep, correct, Hey, I forgot to

652
00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:01,080
Speaker 1: say that you're a Boodt and Crocketts or official Booden

653
00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:04,360
Speaker 1: crockod score. Yeah, okay, so that's a free so you

654
00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:06,800
Speaker 1: do you totally have a free range herd of bison

655
00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:09,799
Speaker 1: and Custer State Park. Custer State Park is in the

656
00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:13,680
Speaker 1: Black Hills, correct, Yep, it's about that word Custer got

657
00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:17,319
Speaker 1: taken down no no named after him, but has a

658
00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:21,440
Speaker 1: little further out. Okay, okay, yeah, so that yeah, that

659
00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:25,080
Speaker 1: Custer State Parks one of the one of the areas

660
00:37:25,120 --> 00:37:28,840
Speaker 1: where a lot of the big elk, the bison, the

661
00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:32,600
Speaker 1: you know obviously hunting on the dogs over over or

662
00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:37,120
Speaker 1: fronting the lions over dogs allowed down there. So okay,

663
00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:41,880
Speaker 1: so talk to me about the So obviously, like a

664
00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:44,919
Speaker 1: bison hunt is gonna be a very small, limited draw hunt.

665
00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:49,160
Speaker 1: We've seen that the lions are residents only, elk is

666
00:37:49,239 --> 00:37:52,920
Speaker 1: residents only, is work, and so that's kind of, you know,

667
00:37:53,160 --> 00:37:56,960
Speaker 1: a neat thing for residents. But probably the biggest non

668
00:37:57,000 --> 00:38:00,239
Speaker 1: resident attractions are gonna be whitetail, mule de or and

669
00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:04,319
Speaker 1: then pheasants, which is probably the biggest. That's what we're

670
00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:07,799
Speaker 1: known for. That's what South Coast known for. State bird yep,

671
00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:10,440
Speaker 1: and that's the one that brings in a lot of

672
00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:13,239
Speaker 1: the revenue from the outer industry into the state of

673
00:38:13,239 --> 00:38:17,000
Speaker 1: South Dakota. Yeah, pheasant hunting winds pheasant season. Uh. It

674
00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:20,719
Speaker 1: starts the beginning of October. We have the locals only weekend,

675
00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:24,280
Speaker 1: youth weekend, locals only weekend, then it opens to the public.

676
00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:27,160
Speaker 1: How long is it? So? Uh, it's you know, I

677
00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:30,200
Speaker 1: believe it's been so long honestly since and this may

678
00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:37,040
Speaker 1: be where we uh through. I believe it's through the

679
00:38:37,080 --> 00:38:39,160
Speaker 1: end of December. Okay, So it's a couple of months long.

680
00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:41,680
Speaker 1: So it's a season right now. Right. So, yesterday when

681
00:38:41,719 --> 00:38:45,279
Speaker 1: we were driving through South Dakota the entire width of

682
00:38:45,320 --> 00:38:49,719
Speaker 1: the state on the interstate, I was I was encouraged

683
00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:53,239
Speaker 1: to see all the businesses that had banners out in

684
00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:56,360
Speaker 1: front of their gas stations and motels that said Hunters

685
00:38:56,400 --> 00:39:00,920
Speaker 1: Welcome and stuff like that. Um it it. South Dakota

686
00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:05,080
Speaker 1: really is a hunting state. We're definitely a hunter friendly state,

687
00:39:05,400 --> 00:39:07,640
Speaker 1: very much. So you told me there's eight hundred thousand

688
00:39:07,640 --> 00:39:12,040
Speaker 1: people in South Dakota the entire over see, that was

689
00:39:12,080 --> 00:39:16,080
Speaker 1: news to me as well. Uh, you know, Arkansas has

690
00:39:16,120 --> 00:39:19,160
Speaker 1: two point eight million people in the whole state, and

691
00:39:19,239 --> 00:39:24,640
Speaker 1: we are at the lower tier of population of of states. Um,

692
00:39:24,840 --> 00:39:29,160
Speaker 1: especially in the east and anyway, eight hundred thousand people

693
00:39:29,160 --> 00:39:31,880
Speaker 1: in the state, that's big. It's is sparsely populated. I

694
00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:35,120
Speaker 1: think it'll just over the eleven people per square mile.

695
00:39:35,600 --> 00:39:44,880
Speaker 1: Eleven people per square mile. Wow, well so pheasant, Um,

696
00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:49,120
Speaker 1: now people can get nonresident mule deer in white teil tech.

697
00:39:49,200 --> 00:39:53,160
Speaker 1: Correct and uh and that's a point system draw system.

698
00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:56,280
Speaker 1: Talking about that just a little bit. Yeah, it's been Uh.

699
00:39:56,800 --> 00:39:59,319
Speaker 1: Subquot actually went through a pretty big change when it

700
00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:01,560
Speaker 1: comes to our point anton our draw systems the last

701
00:40:01,560 --> 00:40:04,680
Speaker 1: couple of years, um in really in an effort to

702
00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:08,320
Speaker 1: make it give opportunity to more hunters was the objective.

703
00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:10,920
Speaker 1: There are a lot that agree, a lot that disagree

704
00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:14,239
Speaker 1: with the strategy that the game fishing parks took. But

705
00:40:14,360 --> 00:40:17,439
Speaker 1: in the end, you know it, it's going to make

706
00:40:18,280 --> 00:40:21,440
Speaker 1: those that that want to hunt to have the opportunity

707
00:40:21,520 --> 00:40:23,920
Speaker 1: to hunt for a buck. Given it may not be

708
00:40:24,040 --> 00:40:26,120
Speaker 1: the year you want to get it, but you know,

709
00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:29,719
Speaker 1: if you prepare, you buy your points, and you make

710
00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:32,960
Speaker 1: the time and plan, you'll be able to hunt for

711
00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:35,319
Speaker 1: a buck in South Dakota, you know. And for those

712
00:40:35,360 --> 00:40:37,560
Speaker 1: of us that are residents, you know, we can always

713
00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:41,200
Speaker 1: hunch archery tags, we can always get those. I mean,

714
00:40:41,480 --> 00:40:43,960
Speaker 1: you can put meat in the freezer, you know. And

715
00:40:44,080 --> 00:40:46,960
Speaker 1: for those that are just strictly horn hunting, uh, you

716
00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:49,120
Speaker 1: gotta make your plans. For those that want to meet

717
00:40:49,200 --> 00:40:52,719
Speaker 1: hunt and feed the family and make the jerky. You know,

718
00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:56,520
Speaker 1: there's always anywhere you go there's opportunity. Are there white

719
00:40:56,560 --> 00:41:01,040
Speaker 1: tails and the older distributed across the entire state? Yeah? Okay,

720
00:41:01,080 --> 00:41:03,520
Speaker 1: so even then that you shouldn't I should say, Yeah,

721
00:41:03,560 --> 00:41:06,640
Speaker 1: So the mule deer hang a lot in the in

722
00:41:06,680 --> 00:41:09,880
Speaker 1: the western portion of the state, out in the ranches,

723
00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:12,040
Speaker 1: and that the further east you go, the more you

724
00:41:12,080 --> 00:41:17,600
Speaker 1: get into farm ground, the corn uh, soybean, really the

725
00:41:18,040 --> 00:41:21,920
Speaker 1: agricultural growth stuff that we that South Dakota puts out

726
00:41:22,120 --> 00:41:25,280
Speaker 1: and there you'll see a lot more of the big, heavy,

727
00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:28,640
Speaker 1: uh you know, palmated, gnarly white tails coming out of

728
00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:31,279
Speaker 1: that area. So the white the mule deer largely out

729
00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:32,960
Speaker 1: in the west in the ranch land with the cattle

730
00:41:33,080 --> 00:41:37,400
Speaker 1: the wide open draws. But and there's approximately two million

731
00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:41,800
Speaker 1: acres of national forest or public land between the grasslands

732
00:41:41,880 --> 00:41:45,399
Speaker 1: and the Black Hills National Forest Custer State Park. Uh yeah,

733
00:41:45,440 --> 00:41:48,440
Speaker 1: I believe that the numbers just over two million public acres.

734
00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:52,640
Speaker 1: And then of course ranchers and private owners do a

735
00:41:52,760 --> 00:41:55,279
Speaker 1: lot of lease backs to the state to allow for

736
00:41:55,360 --> 00:41:58,839
Speaker 1: public walking even on private ground. And so there's just

737
00:41:59,040 --> 00:42:01,080
Speaker 1: a ton of ground all over the state that you

738
00:42:01,120 --> 00:42:04,600
Speaker 1: can hunt on as a you know, just walk in

739
00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:07,920
Speaker 1: signs everywhere as you drive up down the highway where

740
00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:11,920
Speaker 1: a hunter could get his tag in that county and hunt. Yeah,

741
00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:15,799
Speaker 1: so you would say you were what we were talking

742
00:42:15,840 --> 00:42:18,120
Speaker 1: about this earlier, but I mean a guy could have

743
00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:21,719
Speaker 1: a decent chance that a decent muld here up here

744
00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:25,080
Speaker 1: if you drew the tag and publicly, do you think

745
00:42:25,080 --> 00:42:28,080
Speaker 1: you really think? So? Absolutely? You bet. I'm excited to

746
00:42:28,400 --> 00:42:34,880
Speaker 1: watch the the Clay newcom Media video version. Well, I

747
00:42:34,920 --> 00:42:37,280
Speaker 1: gotta I gotta put in I've never killed a melder,

748
00:42:37,880 --> 00:42:42,439
Speaker 1: never never killed a melder, never had a mulder, So yeah,

749
00:42:42,600 --> 00:42:46,239
Speaker 1: I'm I'm you do is there any chance to draw

750
00:42:46,280 --> 00:42:48,880
Speaker 1: on the first time? Uh, you know, it's with the

751
00:42:48,880 --> 00:42:52,200
Speaker 1: point change that's happened. I don't know how it's affecting

752
00:42:52,239 --> 00:42:55,520
Speaker 1: the non resident granted because I'm not real read up

753
00:42:55,520 --> 00:42:59,239
Speaker 1: on that, but the I do know, you know, for

754
00:42:59,239 --> 00:43:01,440
Speaker 1: for the local reds Eidens it a lot of it

755
00:43:01,520 --> 00:43:05,239
Speaker 1: really depends on um whether or not that unit that

756
00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:07,759
Speaker 1: you're applying to has a lot of competition. You know,

757
00:43:08,040 --> 00:43:11,560
Speaker 1: game fishing parks is very diligent about managing the number

758
00:43:11,600 --> 00:43:14,040
Speaker 1: of tags and with the ebbs and flows of the

759
00:43:14,120 --> 00:43:16,480
Speaker 1: counts and the management of the game. Uh, you know,

760
00:43:16,520 --> 00:43:20,080
Speaker 1: those tag fluctuations will happen every year. Um as far

761
00:43:20,120 --> 00:43:22,279
Speaker 1: as the non residents go, A certain percentage of the

762
00:43:22,280 --> 00:43:24,799
Speaker 1: tags are allocated at the non residents, so you know,

763
00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:26,960
Speaker 1: if you've got points and you're one of the ones

764
00:43:27,040 --> 00:43:29,080
Speaker 1: that decides to apply in that area, and you've got

765
00:43:29,160 --> 00:43:31,319
Speaker 1: at the top end of the point counts, you're gonna

766
00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:35,399
Speaker 1: get a tag. Yeah. I saw a guy yesterday at

767
00:43:35,400 --> 00:43:38,480
Speaker 1: a gas station pulled up beside getting gas and that

768
00:43:38,640 --> 00:43:40,799
Speaker 1: he got out and he had camo. I'd tell he

769
00:43:40,840 --> 00:43:43,359
Speaker 1: was hunting, and I started. I started talking to him

770
00:43:43,680 --> 00:43:45,239
Speaker 1: and said, are you hunting? He said yeah, he said,

771
00:43:45,239 --> 00:43:47,879
Speaker 1: we've been muleed here hunting. Really, I said, do any good?

772
00:43:48,280 --> 00:43:52,920
Speaker 1: He pulls out his phone and after about thirty seconds

773
00:43:52,920 --> 00:43:54,719
Speaker 1: of talking to him, I realized he was like the

774
00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:57,799
Speaker 1: real deal, about a fifty year old guy, kind of

775
00:43:57,920 --> 00:44:00,680
Speaker 1: thin and wiry, and he said and he said, yeah,

776
00:44:00,719 --> 00:44:04,560
Speaker 1: we're bow hunters. And uh. He flipped open his phone

777
00:44:04,600 --> 00:44:08,000
Speaker 1: and he had I don't know how much it would

778
00:44:08,040 --> 00:44:11,600
Speaker 1: have scored, but I bet it was twenty five seven

779
00:44:11,640 --> 00:44:16,600
Speaker 1: inch wide mule deer, big forks um and and he said, yeah,

780
00:44:16,640 --> 00:44:18,719
Speaker 1: I killed this last week with my bow. And I

781
00:44:18,760 --> 00:44:20,320
Speaker 1: was like really, I mean, I was like, that is

782
00:44:20,360 --> 00:44:22,600
Speaker 1: a big mil there. I said, is that a good

783
00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:25,600
Speaker 1: one for? And he said, yeah, that's a good deer

784
00:44:25,680 --> 00:44:28,080
Speaker 1: he said. He said they're easy to kill. That's what

785
00:44:28,160 --> 00:44:31,360
Speaker 1: he said. He said he said, and I knew what

786
00:44:31,440 --> 00:44:34,799
Speaker 1: he meant was that if you're really good and you

787
00:44:34,960 --> 00:44:36,879
Speaker 1: have a good land and you know where you're going,

788
00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:40,400
Speaker 1: and they're easy to kill for you. But he was

789
00:44:40,440 --> 00:44:43,040
Speaker 1: just like, he was just like, yeah, you ought to apply,

790
00:44:43,280 --> 00:44:44,560
Speaker 1: you ought to come. I mean he was just like

791
00:44:44,640 --> 00:44:46,959
Speaker 1: totally just like, come up here and hunt. I should

792
00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:50,759
Speaker 1: have got his phone number. Man, he was a neat guy. There.

793
00:44:50,840 --> 00:44:53,320
Speaker 1: There was a lot of I was I was surprised

794
00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:56,719
Speaker 1: yesterday coming through about how much how many hunting we

795
00:44:56,760 --> 00:45:00,719
Speaker 1: saw buck in the back of a guy's uck. I mean,

796
00:45:00,719 --> 00:45:03,719
Speaker 1: you know, that's exciting for me family road trip to

797
00:45:04,040 --> 00:45:05,719
Speaker 1: look at that guy. There's a hunter. There's a hunter.

798
00:45:05,920 --> 00:45:10,960
Speaker 1: It's really exciting in September, you know, late September, mid September, early,

799
00:45:11,160 --> 00:45:14,520
Speaker 1: oh well, all throughout September when you see some of

800
00:45:14,520 --> 00:45:16,120
Speaker 1: these guys coming out of the upper hills with the

801
00:45:16,200 --> 00:45:18,839
Speaker 1: elk hanging out the back end, some of those big

802
00:45:18,880 --> 00:45:24,000
Speaker 1: fellows coming. Yeah. Yeah. So uh so we talked about

803
00:45:24,040 --> 00:45:27,680
Speaker 1: mule deer, whitetail non residence as well a platform. But

804
00:45:27,680 --> 00:45:29,520
Speaker 1: they're gonna be kind of in a well they're gonna

805
00:45:29,520 --> 00:45:30,719
Speaker 1: be more in the eastern part of the state. But

806
00:45:30,719 --> 00:45:33,759
Speaker 1: there's plenty of white tails, stay white. They cover the

807
00:45:33,760 --> 00:45:37,160
Speaker 1: whole state. But they're not gonna be in the same

808
00:45:37,400 --> 00:45:39,640
Speaker 1: terrain as the mule deer most of the time. Most

809
00:45:39,680 --> 00:45:41,239
Speaker 1: of the time we're gonna be in the They need

810
00:45:41,239 --> 00:45:43,960
Speaker 1: a little more cover, right, So we Yeah, so growing

811
00:45:44,040 --> 00:45:46,640
Speaker 1: up the ranch my grandfather had out by Faith had

812
00:45:46,680 --> 00:45:49,000
Speaker 1: both we had a lot of white tail down on

813
00:45:49,040 --> 00:45:52,360
Speaker 1: the creek bottoms in where we'd raise, you know, raise

814
00:45:52,480 --> 00:45:55,319
Speaker 1: some of the grains for our cattle. But out in

815
00:45:55,360 --> 00:45:58,320
Speaker 1: the outer pastures and the draws and the wide open

816
00:45:58,360 --> 00:46:00,640
Speaker 1: areas out in the buttes, we'd have a lot of

817
00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:03,560
Speaker 1: mule dere So, you know, even in a small area

818
00:46:03,640 --> 00:46:05,880
Speaker 1: like that, and that was you know, around ten thousand

819
00:46:05,920 --> 00:46:08,960
Speaker 1: acres was all it was. Uh, you're gonna have a

820
00:46:10,040 --> 00:46:15,279
Speaker 1: definitely arrange a different type of game. Bighorn sheep. Yes,

821
00:46:16,200 --> 00:46:19,719
Speaker 1: world record bighorn sheep out of South Dakota. That's right.

822
00:46:19,760 --> 00:46:25,280
Speaker 1: Where was that think? Uh here? I don't know, Yeah,

823
00:46:25,320 --> 00:46:27,080
Speaker 1: I mean it was on this side of the state, though,

824
00:46:27,520 --> 00:46:29,359
Speaker 1: yes it was. I mean there's no there wouldn't be

825
00:46:29,360 --> 00:46:32,040
Speaker 1: big horns. It would be in South Dakota. Here I

826
00:46:32,160 --> 00:46:34,080
Speaker 1: forget his name off the top of my head, but yeah,

827
00:46:34,280 --> 00:46:36,160
Speaker 1: he I think here was a young guy with a

828
00:46:37,080 --> 00:46:41,080
Speaker 1: guy with a bow. I think, yeah, Cally. I saw

829
00:46:41,160 --> 00:46:42,960
Speaker 1: pictures that I didn't pay a lot of attention to it.

830
00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:46,040
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't, I'm not I'm not a I

831
00:46:46,040 --> 00:46:49,200
Speaker 1: don't know much about Big Horn really, but it looked

832
00:46:49,239 --> 00:46:53,319
Speaker 1: like it's bases where it's bigger around as a I

833
00:46:53,360 --> 00:46:56,960
Speaker 1: don't know. And they and they have only uh that

834
00:46:57,280 --> 00:47:00,160
Speaker 1: the Big Horn and the Mountain Goat, they'd only recently

835
00:47:00,160 --> 00:47:02,920
Speaker 1: opened those back up again. The Mountain Goat really got

836
00:47:03,200 --> 00:47:06,120
Speaker 1: roughed up through the eighties. I think they shut her

837
00:47:06,160 --> 00:47:11,359
Speaker 1: down in uh, I want to say six and they

838
00:47:11,400 --> 00:47:14,200
Speaker 1: opened it up. I think it was three years ago,

839
00:47:14,320 --> 00:47:17,120
Speaker 1: four years ago. And it's just two tags, two tags

840
00:47:17,120 --> 00:47:20,239
Speaker 1: a year they've been given. It's just just letting him.

841
00:47:20,280 --> 00:47:24,719
Speaker 1: And some of those are spectacular goats as well. Yeah, so,

842
00:47:24,960 --> 00:47:28,920
Speaker 1: I mean, the the the Big Horn, the Mountain goats. Uh,

843
00:47:29,080 --> 00:47:31,800
Speaker 1: they're they're the ones in the lifetime. So you a

844
00:47:31,880 --> 00:47:35,520
Speaker 1: resident draws you you work, you know, I know these

845
00:47:35,560 --> 00:47:38,879
Speaker 1: guys that are pulling some of these tags. A couple

846
00:47:38,880 --> 00:47:41,480
Speaker 1: of guys from East River pulled him the last couple

847
00:47:41,480 --> 00:47:43,880
Speaker 1: of years, and I kind of followed him on on

848
00:47:43,960 --> 00:47:47,200
Speaker 1: Instagram and Facebook and that, watching him prep and hunt.

849
00:47:47,239 --> 00:47:49,759
Speaker 1: And I mean he spent a good month month and

850
00:47:49,800 --> 00:47:53,080
Speaker 1: a half scouting looking at the herds, following him around

851
00:47:53,120 --> 00:47:57,480
Speaker 1: before he selected you know the billy he wanted. Yeah, yeah,

852
00:47:57,600 --> 00:48:02,799
Speaker 1: Well that's pretty incredible. Um well, those are the those

853
00:48:02,800 --> 00:48:05,239
Speaker 1: are the main big game species that I wanted to

854
00:48:05,320 --> 00:48:07,879
Speaker 1: talk about. Do you do much pheasant hunting. I've done

855
00:48:07,920 --> 00:48:09,319
Speaker 1: a little bit of peasant hunting. I got a lot

856
00:48:09,360 --> 00:48:10,920
Speaker 1: of buddies from out of East that do a lot

857
00:48:11,040 --> 00:48:14,160
Speaker 1: of pheasant hunting. It. I've done it a few times

858
00:48:14,200 --> 00:48:16,840
Speaker 1: with friends, done it a few times with family, you know,

859
00:48:17,360 --> 00:48:22,799
Speaker 1: different friends even around the Black Hills will raise some

860
00:48:22,960 --> 00:48:25,359
Speaker 1: like penned pheasants, release them out on their on their

861
00:48:25,400 --> 00:48:27,960
Speaker 1: corn fields and things, and so just to have friends

862
00:48:27,960 --> 00:48:30,720
Speaker 1: and family come in. But out of East, it's a

863
00:48:30,760 --> 00:48:33,320
Speaker 1: pheasant hunting is almost religion in and of itself. A

864
00:48:33,400 --> 00:48:36,720
Speaker 1: pheasant arn't native, is that correct? Correct? They were brought

865
00:48:36,800 --> 00:48:41,000
Speaker 1: into South Dakota years and years, I want to say,

866
00:48:41,000 --> 00:48:44,759
Speaker 1: eighteen hundreds. It's just the climate, food, everything, just you know,

867
00:48:44,840 --> 00:48:48,160
Speaker 1: that's really unusual that that the bird would do so

868
00:48:48,239 --> 00:48:51,480
Speaker 1: well here that it would become It'd be interesting to

869
00:48:51,480 --> 00:48:53,040
Speaker 1: take a poll of all the people that are listening

870
00:48:53,040 --> 00:48:56,200
Speaker 1: to how many would have known that uh pheasant was

871
00:48:56,280 --> 00:48:59,319
Speaker 1: not a native game bird in North America. I mean

872
00:49:00,000 --> 00:49:02,120
Speaker 1: a few years ago, I might not have known that

873
00:49:02,760 --> 00:49:06,720
Speaker 1: because you think of quail, pheasant, ducks, like it's just like, well, yeah, pheasants,

874
00:49:06,760 --> 00:49:11,080
Speaker 1: they're they're part of the landscape, but u but for

875
00:49:11,160 --> 00:49:15,520
Speaker 1: them to be adopted by state agency. Usually introduced species

876
00:49:15,920 --> 00:49:21,719
Speaker 1: are shunned by state agencies. Hogs uh now guy down

877
00:49:21,760 --> 00:49:25,680
Speaker 1: in Texas and they're not shunned necessarily. But um, you know,

878
00:49:25,719 --> 00:49:27,799
Speaker 1: there's a lot of introduced species in Texas, but some

879
00:49:27,880 --> 00:49:32,839
Speaker 1: of them, like the now guy um have have just

880
00:49:33,320 --> 00:49:36,359
Speaker 1: have free range populations and breed on their own, do

881
00:49:36,400 --> 00:49:37,960
Speaker 1: all their stuff. But anyway, I always thought that was

882
00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:40,879
Speaker 1: interesting about pheasants. Yeah, yeah, and you know, it's it

883
00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:43,759
Speaker 1: was so long ago granted that they became part of

884
00:49:43,760 --> 00:49:48,040
Speaker 1: our our culture or landscape. Yeah, that it's just who

885
00:49:48,080 --> 00:49:50,200
Speaker 1: we are now. Yeah, it's an American bird now, I

886
00:49:50,280 --> 00:49:53,759
Speaker 1: mean just functionally it's a it's an American bird, that's

887
00:49:53,840 --> 00:49:56,480
Speaker 1: right for sure. But they have Bob white quail up here.

888
00:49:56,520 --> 00:49:59,359
Speaker 1: They do, they do. In fact, they we have them

889
00:49:59,400 --> 00:50:01,319
Speaker 1: in the hills even and you know I had I

890
00:50:01,360 --> 00:50:04,080
Speaker 1: never saw him out in Faith growing up out in

891
00:50:04,120 --> 00:50:06,960
Speaker 1: that you know, out in that area, but we do

892
00:50:07,040 --> 00:50:10,920
Speaker 1: have them around. Yeah, I can get excited about some

893
00:50:11,200 --> 00:50:15,480
Speaker 1: bobwhite quill. Lots of lots of sharp tails, lots of

894
00:50:16,040 --> 00:50:18,680
Speaker 1: uh you know. Of course, the pheasant you'll see all

895
00:50:18,680 --> 00:50:21,919
Speaker 1: throughout the state just depends on the really the cover

896
00:50:22,040 --> 00:50:27,000
Speaker 1: and what you got growing in the fields. But a partridge,

897
00:50:28,200 --> 00:50:33,919
Speaker 1: a lot of dove hunters, yea, all throughout mm hmm. Interesting. Well,

898
00:50:33,960 --> 00:50:37,439
Speaker 1: it truly is an interesting state. It encompasses a lot

899
00:50:37,520 --> 00:50:42,000
Speaker 1: of a lot of different topography and a lot of

900
00:50:42,040 --> 00:50:45,560
Speaker 1: cool big game species. Yeah for sure. But yeah, every

901
00:50:45,560 --> 00:50:47,600
Speaker 1: time we come out here, it's it's I've yet to

902
00:50:47,680 --> 00:50:49,799
Speaker 1: hunt here. I was gonna say, you you end up coming,

903
00:50:49,840 --> 00:50:51,799
Speaker 1: but you never you never bring a gun and you

904
00:50:51,880 --> 00:50:56,000
Speaker 1: never planned to come during hunting season. Well, so this

905
00:50:56,040 --> 00:50:59,200
Speaker 1: is this is, this is my staging place for going

906
00:50:59,320 --> 00:51:02,640
Speaker 1: further west a bear hunt. I come here, so in

907
00:51:02,719 --> 00:51:05,640
Speaker 1: a route from Arkansas to Montana wear a bear hunt.

908
00:51:06,080 --> 00:51:09,319
Speaker 1: This is this is further than halfway. But I end

909
00:51:09,400 --> 00:51:12,520
Speaker 1: up staying the night here with in in Spearfish and

910
00:51:12,520 --> 00:51:16,640
Speaker 1: then going on. But speaking of that, black bears, black

911
00:51:16,800 --> 00:51:20,560
Speaker 1: black bears in South Dakota ready, you bet we Uh.

912
00:51:20,760 --> 00:51:22,839
Speaker 1: For years they've been kind of rumored to being caught

913
00:51:22,880 --> 00:51:25,080
Speaker 1: on trail cams and we didn't know if it was

914
00:51:25,120 --> 00:51:27,840
Speaker 1: a big foot or a bear. But they in the

915
00:51:27,920 --> 00:51:31,040
Speaker 1: last couple of years, they've gotten good confirmation that they're

916
00:51:31,080 --> 00:51:34,880
Speaker 1: pushing in, uh, largely from the western side through of

917
00:51:34,880 --> 00:51:38,000
Speaker 1: the Black Hills that's over in Wyoming. And uh so

918
00:51:38,280 --> 00:51:41,960
Speaker 1: we're we're anxious, you know, the hunters, I know, for

919
00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:44,960
Speaker 1: the ones I talked with, I speak with, I've run

920
00:51:45,000 --> 00:51:47,840
Speaker 1: with a bit. Uh. You know, it's good to see

921
00:51:48,160 --> 00:51:52,040
Speaker 1: that a game can push back in. Uh, you know,

922
00:51:52,360 --> 00:51:55,080
Speaker 1: no season yet there weren't when the Lions came back

923
00:51:55,520 --> 00:51:58,920
Speaker 1: at some point. As they as they come in, as

924
00:51:58,920 --> 00:52:02,560
Speaker 1: they grow, as they breathe. Uh, you know, it'll definitely

925
00:52:02,800 --> 00:52:06,279
Speaker 1: be something that the state has to look at, you know,

926
00:52:06,360 --> 00:52:09,839
Speaker 1: keeping an eye communicating with the landowners the hunters as

927
00:52:09,840 --> 00:52:12,560
Speaker 1: they see them. But I think it's a good thing

928
00:52:12,640 --> 00:52:15,399
Speaker 1: for the black I mean, driving around today, I mean

929
00:52:15,440 --> 00:52:18,839
Speaker 1: this is perfect black bear country and we're not how

930
00:52:18,840 --> 00:52:21,760
Speaker 1: far away from the Wyoming border. Here, we're about eleven miles.

931
00:52:22,040 --> 00:52:25,040
Speaker 1: I mean we're just right on the hills of Wyoming,

932
00:52:25,080 --> 00:52:29,239
Speaker 1: and and uh the Big Horns and Wyoming or how

933
00:52:29,280 --> 00:52:31,920
Speaker 1: far the Big Horn Mountains and Wyoming. Uh, those are

934
00:52:31,920 --> 00:52:37,520
Speaker 1: about three hours drive. Yeah, the Big Horns are Okay,

935
00:52:36,960 --> 00:52:40,280
Speaker 1: they may not even be that far, right, that sounds

936
00:52:40,280 --> 00:52:42,799
Speaker 1: about right for when we drive out there from here

937
00:52:42,920 --> 00:52:46,239
Speaker 1: driving west. But the Big Horn Mountains Wyoming would be

938
00:52:46,520 --> 00:52:49,080
Speaker 1: great bear country, right, I mean, so you think about

939
00:52:49,120 --> 00:52:52,560
Speaker 1: that in terms of bears moving, you know, two and

940
00:52:52,560 --> 00:52:56,360
Speaker 1: a half hour drive might be uh, you know, are

941
00:52:56,719 --> 00:53:00,400
Speaker 1: miles or something. And I mean if there was no

942
00:53:01,000 --> 00:53:05,520
Speaker 1: um fragmentation in terms of you know, inner states and

943
00:53:05,560 --> 00:53:09,160
Speaker 1: different things can fragment populations and keep them from moving

944
00:53:09,200 --> 00:53:12,879
Speaker 1: back and forth. Uh, so you know, but from here

945
00:53:12,960 --> 00:53:16,919
Speaker 1: to there is nothing really, so it makes total sense

946
00:53:16,960 --> 00:53:19,600
Speaker 1: that bears would be coming into the Black Hills. Certainly

947
00:53:19,600 --> 00:53:22,640
Speaker 1: they were here years and years ago. Yeteah, I mean

948
00:53:22,680 --> 00:53:25,640
Speaker 1: they were natively they were definitely here in the Black Hills,

949
00:53:26,280 --> 00:53:28,240
Speaker 1: and so a lot of a lot of Native American

950
00:53:28,360 --> 00:53:31,880
Speaker 1: culture and history and and you know the stories of

951
00:53:31,920 --> 00:53:36,160
Speaker 1: their past are centered around Black bears in the Black Hills. Yeah,

952
00:53:36,560 --> 00:53:39,920
Speaker 1: so they'll be back. That's the cool thing about these

953
00:53:39,960 --> 00:53:43,240
Speaker 1: bears is that they they're bouncing back all over the place.

954
00:53:43,480 --> 00:53:46,560
Speaker 1: Whatever is happening ecologically and on the landscape level in

955
00:53:46,560 --> 00:53:49,680
Speaker 1: North America's beneficials black bears, it really is. I mean

956
00:53:49,719 --> 00:53:53,560
Speaker 1: there's no there's very I can't think of any places

957
00:53:53,600 --> 00:53:57,880
Speaker 1: where you hear all the black bear population is really struggling.

958
00:53:58,320 --> 00:54:00,200
Speaker 1: I mean you you don't hear that now, sir. Really

959
00:54:00,239 --> 00:54:04,399
Speaker 1: there are pockets of suitable habitat that bears have yet

960
00:54:04,480 --> 00:54:06,440
Speaker 1: to infiltrate into, and the Black Hills would be a

961
00:54:06,520 --> 00:54:09,520
Speaker 1: great example of that. I mean, like they're moving back

962
00:54:09,600 --> 00:54:13,520
Speaker 1: in um. But once they get a foothold here, you

963
00:54:13,560 --> 00:54:15,719
Speaker 1: won't be able to get rid of them, which is

964
00:54:15,760 --> 00:54:20,520
Speaker 1: a good thing, especially with the conservation and scientific wildlife

965
00:54:20,520 --> 00:54:22,400
Speaker 1: management laws that we have today. I mean, they're never

966
00:54:22,440 --> 00:54:25,279
Speaker 1: gonna hunt them out, and the habitat is going to

967
00:54:25,400 --> 00:54:28,319
Speaker 1: be protected because all this country that they're gonna live

968
00:54:28,320 --> 00:54:31,319
Speaker 1: in is his public land. That's that's not gonna be

969
00:54:32,320 --> 00:54:35,720
Speaker 1: you know, altered in some way or sold off and developed.

970
00:54:35,719 --> 00:54:38,160
Speaker 1: I mean, so it's like once they get back now

971
00:54:38,320 --> 00:54:41,879
Speaker 1: at this kind of stable time in history, they'll be here.

972
00:54:42,600 --> 00:54:45,440
Speaker 1: You know, they won't get decimated again. That's all right,

973
00:54:45,480 --> 00:54:48,080
Speaker 1: they won't. They won't. A lot of people want to

974
00:54:48,200 --> 00:54:53,520
Speaker 1: understand that, but yeah, well, um okay. A couple of

975
00:54:53,840 --> 00:54:59,240
Speaker 1: specific questions. Gun of choice, rifle of choice for Jason

976
00:54:59,520 --> 00:55:02,520
Speaker 1: Boak for hunting South Dakota, for all that you do.

977
00:55:02,600 --> 00:55:05,719
Speaker 1: I mean, just like one you got one gun, one gun,

978
00:55:05,920 --> 00:55:09,120
Speaker 1: you got one gun. Cal you know I'm talking calory.

979
00:55:09,160 --> 00:55:13,200
Speaker 1: You can go specific if you want. I I I

980
00:55:13,239 --> 00:55:18,560
Speaker 1: grew up shooting a Winchester Model seventy uhtree. I have

981
00:55:18,920 --> 00:55:22,279
Speaker 1: evolved that to the to seventy. I like that to

982
00:55:22,480 --> 00:55:25,880
Speaker 1: seventy to seventy cardridge I can take. I can take

983
00:55:25,960 --> 00:55:29,720
Speaker 1: the pronghorn antelope that's my favorite animal in South Dakota

984
00:55:29,760 --> 00:55:33,520
Speaker 1: to hunt, like you can knock down the lions and

985
00:55:33,560 --> 00:55:36,719
Speaker 1: the elk with it as well. What is there a

986
00:55:36,760 --> 00:55:40,000
Speaker 1: specifical load you like? I mean, is there a do

987
00:55:40,080 --> 00:55:45,239
Speaker 1: you have a bullet white preference or you know? No,

988
00:55:45,520 --> 00:55:48,760
Speaker 1: I would say, we've I've shot everything from the boat

989
00:55:48,840 --> 00:55:52,480
Speaker 1: tails to you know, we were kind of playing with

990
00:55:52,520 --> 00:55:55,680
Speaker 1: some of the barns rounds right now. But a lot

991
00:55:55,719 --> 00:55:58,279
Speaker 1: of it varies and depends on what we're hunting. Were

992
00:55:58,280 --> 00:56:00,760
Speaker 1: you trained in long range shooting and your steel training?

993
00:56:01,840 --> 00:56:05,680
Speaker 1: I would say I didn't go through sniper training, so

994
00:56:05,880 --> 00:56:09,759
Speaker 1: I wouldn't ever claim that I'm a sniper. Did we

995
00:56:09,840 --> 00:56:14,000
Speaker 1: do a lot of you know, six six hundred yard shooting,

996
00:56:14,200 --> 00:56:18,279
Speaker 1: five hundred yard shooting, yeah, you bet you, but precision

997
00:56:18,400 --> 00:56:21,680
Speaker 1: long range shooting me personally trained in the military. No,

998
00:56:22,080 --> 00:56:27,040
Speaker 1: after the fact. You know, we've we shoot deer. You know,

999
00:56:27,160 --> 00:56:30,440
Speaker 1: get the guns nowadays, the trajectories, the ballistics inside of

1000
00:56:30,480 --> 00:56:32,960
Speaker 1: these rounds and some of the guns. You know, you

1001
00:56:33,000 --> 00:56:34,840
Speaker 1: can reach out there and touch him if you have

1002
00:56:34,880 --> 00:56:36,960
Speaker 1: to in this wide open prairie, and sometimes you really

1003
00:56:37,000 --> 00:56:41,560
Speaker 1: have to. Okay, you coming to the chase. The next question,

1004
00:56:41,560 --> 00:56:45,160
Speaker 1: it was favorite animal to hunt? You said, I've heard

1005
00:56:45,480 --> 00:56:48,279
Speaker 1: I've heard a couple of Western guys say that, and

1006
00:56:48,360 --> 00:56:51,919
Speaker 1: that really surprised me. With all the all the other

1007
00:56:51,960 --> 00:56:54,240
Speaker 1: stuff that you can hunt, why it's prong horn your favorite?

1008
00:56:54,360 --> 00:56:56,960
Speaker 1: You know? Part of it, I think is the just

1009
00:56:57,080 --> 00:57:02,960
Speaker 1: the adventures growing up out in prairie and that pronghorn antelope.

1010
00:57:03,160 --> 00:57:05,440
Speaker 1: That thing can move when it wants to, you know,

1011
00:57:05,520 --> 00:57:08,520
Speaker 1: I think they say it's the second fastest land animal

1012
00:57:09,120 --> 00:57:14,120
Speaker 1: mammal and it'll sixty miles some crazy number. I mean,

1013
00:57:14,120 --> 00:57:19,640
Speaker 1: they'll flat out move, and you know they're very I've

1014
00:57:19,640 --> 00:57:21,560
Speaker 1: heard a lot of guys argue that some of the

1015
00:57:21,560 --> 00:57:24,680
Speaker 1: ones coming out of Wyoming or depending really it depends

1016
00:57:24,720 --> 00:57:28,160
Speaker 1: a lot on what their habitat looks like, what they're eating,

1017
00:57:28,320 --> 00:57:32,240
Speaker 1: what what they're what kind of environment they're living in

1018
00:57:32,760 --> 00:57:35,720
Speaker 1: the ones we're hunting here in western South Dakota particularly,

1019
00:57:36,000 --> 00:57:38,200
Speaker 1: and I know the same holds true in mid middle

1020
00:57:38,240 --> 00:57:40,360
Speaker 1: of the South Dakota as well. Uh. You know a

1021
00:57:40,400 --> 00:57:44,360
Speaker 1: lot of its grass, just prairie grasses and things like that.

1022
00:57:44,400 --> 00:57:47,320
Speaker 1: And so you think what's the highest best taste and

1023
00:57:47,400 --> 00:57:50,400
Speaker 1: steak you can buy, it's those grass fed corn fed

1024
00:57:51,000 --> 00:57:55,000
Speaker 1: you know, beef chattel. This pronghorn antelope is is he's

1025
00:57:55,040 --> 00:57:57,320
Speaker 1: not eating sage, He's not eating stuff like some of

1026
00:57:57,320 --> 00:58:00,120
Speaker 1: the ones throughout the country. Are These pronghorn are or

1027
00:58:00,200 --> 00:58:04,560
Speaker 1: eating just prairie grasses and native stuff, and and uh

1028
00:58:05,120 --> 00:58:08,400
Speaker 1: something about the meat it is just for me, it

1029
00:58:08,520 --> 00:58:10,920
Speaker 1: is the best taste in wild game meat out there

1030
00:58:10,960 --> 00:58:13,200
Speaker 1: that I have had. I mean I've I've eaten a

1031
00:58:13,200 --> 00:58:16,560
Speaker 1: lot of different stuff. And one if you get it

1032
00:58:16,680 --> 00:58:19,120
Speaker 1: and you you you know, you run that guy to death,

1033
00:58:19,160 --> 00:58:20,880
Speaker 1: you make him go sixty miles an hour, and you

1034
00:58:20,920 --> 00:58:23,600
Speaker 1: get him frothy under the you know, the front shoulder.

1035
00:58:23,720 --> 00:58:25,560
Speaker 1: He's he's not going to be that good. But you

1036
00:58:25,600 --> 00:58:28,400
Speaker 1: get one of those does, or you catch one nice

1037
00:58:28,440 --> 00:58:31,360
Speaker 1: and calm and put him down clean and and treat

1038
00:58:31,400 --> 00:58:34,800
Speaker 1: the meat right. It is like nothing else. And you know,

1039
00:58:34,840 --> 00:58:38,000
Speaker 1: and part of the adventure is they are when they're

1040
00:58:38,040 --> 00:58:42,360
Speaker 1: in the rut, they are absolutely crazy. Those bucks I've

1041
00:58:42,640 --> 00:58:45,400
Speaker 1: I've you know seen I've had bucks run up to

1042
00:58:45,440 --> 00:58:48,680
Speaker 1: me within twenty yards charging you. You're standing there waving

1043
00:58:48,720 --> 00:58:52,600
Speaker 1: a just a little I mean, I've pulled an envelope

1044
00:58:52,600 --> 00:58:55,200
Speaker 1: with my tag, the little white envelope that your tag

1045
00:58:55,240 --> 00:59:00,680
Speaker 1: comes in to call him in that's on at pull

1046
00:59:00,720 --> 00:59:02,640
Speaker 1: it out of your pocket and wave that envelope and

1047
00:59:02,680 --> 00:59:05,200
Speaker 1: that gets so curious and he comes around and at

1048
00:59:05,240 --> 00:59:07,720
Speaker 1: you and walk in. And I mean, we've we have

1049
00:59:07,880 --> 00:59:10,560
Speaker 1: story after story of the group of buddies that hunt

1050
00:59:10,600 --> 00:59:14,080
Speaker 1: that the antelope. Just they're fun. I mean, you just

1051
00:59:14,560 --> 00:59:18,880
Speaker 1: end up with stories hunting antelope almost like none other,

1052
00:59:19,120 --> 00:59:22,200
Speaker 1: just because they're so curious, uh, you know, and they

1053
00:59:22,360 --> 00:59:25,800
Speaker 1: they guys will put flags on hilltops and sit within

1054
00:59:25,880 --> 00:59:29,520
Speaker 1: twenty yards with their bow and a few hours later

1055
00:59:29,520 --> 00:59:32,280
Speaker 1: that antelope is nuzzling that flag wondering what it is.

1056
00:59:32,320 --> 00:59:35,440
Speaker 1: I mean, they just have a curiosity and a and

1057
00:59:35,560 --> 00:59:38,640
Speaker 1: uh and a boldness to them that you can if

1058
00:59:38,640 --> 00:59:40,800
Speaker 1: you need to, you can leverage. But at the same time,

1059
00:59:40,800 --> 00:59:43,960
Speaker 1: it's it's just fun to it's fun, like they're really

1060
00:59:44,040 --> 00:59:46,800
Speaker 1: they're they're at the right time, they're really responsive, they

1061
00:59:46,960 --> 00:59:49,640
Speaker 1: really really response fun and not any when you can

1062
00:59:49,920 --> 00:59:53,200
Speaker 1: call where you're not calling them but flagging them. And yeah,

1063
00:59:53,240 --> 00:59:56,240
Speaker 1: I've never experienced that with Yeah, the guys, the guys

1064
00:59:56,280 --> 00:59:59,720
Speaker 1: that I know that archery hunt them, they say that

1065
00:59:59,880 --> 01:00:03,320
Speaker 1: is one of the most fun archery hunt hunts there is,

1066
01:00:03,760 --> 01:00:06,680
Speaker 1: just because of that that thing. I mean, you're you're

1067
01:00:06,680 --> 01:00:09,480
Speaker 1: flagging him in, You're you know, you find the buck

1068
01:00:09,520 --> 01:00:12,040
Speaker 1: and you you really you're getting his attention as opposed

1069
01:00:12,040 --> 01:00:14,680
Speaker 1: to everything else spotting stock. You don't want him to

1070
01:00:14,680 --> 01:00:17,040
Speaker 1: know you're there, and these you want him to know.

1071
01:00:17,200 --> 01:00:20,000
Speaker 1: You want to pique his curiosity. And you know, with

1072
01:00:20,120 --> 01:00:26,080
Speaker 1: decoys or with you know, the uh, whatever flag or

1073
01:00:26,200 --> 01:00:29,000
Speaker 1: different piece you used to bring that guy in. You

1074
01:00:29,080 --> 01:00:31,360
Speaker 1: catch him at the right time and he's out to

1075
01:00:31,440 --> 01:00:34,720
Speaker 1: kill you. And the adrenaline rush as that guy is

1076
01:00:34,760 --> 01:00:39,120
Speaker 1: coming at you and pulls up within three yards to

1077
01:00:39,200 --> 01:00:42,240
Speaker 1: stop short and snort and whistle at you. Yeah, it's

1078
01:00:42,280 --> 01:00:46,680
Speaker 1: a different, different kind of adrenaline rush. Um. Okay, you

1079
01:00:46,800 --> 01:00:51,000
Speaker 1: told I heard you describing last night the way that

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01:00:51,080 --> 01:00:54,320
Speaker 1: you like to cook. I think you called it tips. Yeah,

1081
01:00:54,480 --> 01:00:56,840
Speaker 1: so we do, well tell the whole process, you bet

1082
01:00:56,880 --> 01:00:59,840
Speaker 1: you so. South Dakota is famous for chiselick um. And

1083
01:01:00,040 --> 01:01:02,440
Speaker 1: don't know if you know, different listeners have heard that,

1084
01:01:02,440 --> 01:01:05,560
Speaker 1: but it's almost a flash fried meat. So they'll they'll

1085
01:01:05,560 --> 01:01:10,880
Speaker 1: marinate the meat, and so us we have kind of

1086
01:01:10,920 --> 01:01:14,440
Speaker 1: a special blend of red wine and soy and Worcestershire

1087
01:01:14,520 --> 01:01:18,040
Speaker 1: sauce and red pepper flakes and different things that they

1088
01:01:18,080 --> 01:01:20,800
Speaker 1: got handed down from hunting buddy to hunting buddy and

1089
01:01:20,840 --> 01:01:24,200
Speaker 1: generation to generation and and and we we kind of

1090
01:01:24,280 --> 01:01:27,160
Speaker 1: us that marinade in a special way. But the chisel,

1091
01:01:27,160 --> 01:01:29,200
Speaker 1: like itself, is just a flash fried. It could be

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01:01:29,280 --> 01:01:32,120
Speaker 1: marinated in any number of things, but it's hot oil

1093
01:01:32,200 --> 01:01:34,160
Speaker 1: and just straight in. And so a lot of South

1094
01:01:34,200 --> 01:01:36,160
Speaker 1: the Codin's would have had that, you know, at the

1095
01:01:36,200 --> 01:01:40,280
Speaker 1: VFW or at these different men's gatherings or hunter gatherings

1096
01:01:40,360 --> 01:01:42,200
Speaker 1: or talk to me about the whole process that because

1097
01:01:42,200 --> 01:01:45,160
Speaker 1: you told me about battery. So that's the tips, and

1098
01:01:45,200 --> 01:01:47,280
Speaker 1: that's one of the it's kind of a thing here

1099
01:01:47,280 --> 01:01:50,520
Speaker 1: in Spearfish, one of the restaurants in the area kind

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01:01:50,520 --> 01:01:53,120
Speaker 1: of has a famous set of tips. And you know,

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01:01:53,240 --> 01:01:56,240
Speaker 1: there's an old hunting buddy of a lot of us

1102
01:01:56,240 --> 01:01:58,880
Speaker 1: out here in the spear Fish in Northern Hills area, Raleigh.

1103
01:01:59,360 --> 01:02:02,440
Speaker 1: Uh he he would have had this recipe for tips

1104
01:02:02,520 --> 01:02:04,960
Speaker 1: years and years ago. And we cube the meat and

1105
01:02:05,240 --> 01:02:08,400
Speaker 1: from myself it would be the pronghorn antelope or venison

1106
01:02:08,520 --> 01:02:10,600
Speaker 1: or or one of those into an inch inch and

1107
01:02:10,600 --> 01:02:13,920
Speaker 1: a half and uh, once it's cubed, you kind of

1108
01:02:14,000 --> 01:02:17,400
Speaker 1: let it come to room temperature and nice and clean.

1109
01:02:17,560 --> 01:02:21,960
Speaker 1: You want it almost you know, backstraps, uh, roast, whatever

1110
01:02:22,000 --> 01:02:24,760
Speaker 1: it is, doesn't matter what meat, and uh you take

1111
01:02:24,800 --> 01:02:27,040
Speaker 1: it and it really it hits that marinade for about

1112
01:02:27,200 --> 01:02:30,520
Speaker 1: fifteen twenty seconds, not long, I mean, just just enough

1113
01:02:30,560 --> 01:02:32,760
Speaker 1: to give it a little bit of flavor, roll it

1114
01:02:32,800 --> 01:02:36,960
Speaker 1: in a self rising flour and then into a degree

1115
01:02:37,160 --> 01:02:41,240
Speaker 1: four degree hot oil for you know, fifteen seconds to

1116
01:02:41,320 --> 01:02:43,560
Speaker 1: a minute. However, you like your meat and now it

1117
01:02:43,640 --> 01:02:46,480
Speaker 1: comes and I mean we we that's kind of our

1118
01:02:46,520 --> 01:02:49,439
Speaker 1: tradition over July fourth is eating a wild game doing

1119
01:02:49,480 --> 01:02:52,200
Speaker 1: tips that way we call it, and I mean it

1120
01:02:52,360 --> 01:02:57,480
Speaker 1: is fantastic. Chilo chislock is just like typically done in

1121
01:02:57,560 --> 01:03:01,400
Speaker 1: smaller pieces without the breading, just straight crispy on the

1122
01:03:01,400 --> 01:03:04,120
Speaker 1: outside and you know, medium rare on the inside. We

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01:03:04,200 --> 01:03:06,240
Speaker 1: do the tips with a little bit of breading and

1124
01:03:06,280 --> 01:03:09,240
Speaker 1: that that marinated type of stuff. And yeah, so both

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01:03:09,240 --> 01:03:11,960
Speaker 1: those ways are are some of our favorite ways to

1126
01:03:12,000 --> 01:03:15,040
Speaker 1: eat the wild game that we take. Okay, here's the

1127
01:03:15,080 --> 01:03:17,280
Speaker 1: next question, and you may have to come back to

1128
01:03:17,320 --> 01:03:19,479
Speaker 1: it if you can't think of something right off the bat.

1129
01:03:21,160 --> 01:03:24,800
Speaker 1: What is something that you do or your family does

1130
01:03:25,440 --> 01:03:34,320
Speaker 1: that's like a great tip for hunting, skinning, cooking, like

1131
01:03:34,640 --> 01:03:38,200
Speaker 1: secret tip not not not, just like let me give

1132
01:03:38,200 --> 01:03:40,360
Speaker 1: you an example. Okay, on the last podcast, we were

1133
01:03:40,400 --> 01:03:43,200
Speaker 1: up in Canada and a couple of podcasts ago, and

1134
01:03:43,200 --> 01:03:46,520
Speaker 1: we was talking to Tom Ainsworth and Tom uses an

1135
01:03:46,520 --> 01:03:51,000
Speaker 1: air compressor to clean the brains out of a skull.

1136
01:03:51,560 --> 01:03:54,080
Speaker 1: So let's say you skin the skull of a deer

1137
01:03:54,760 --> 01:03:58,000
Speaker 1: and you've got to take it back and he puts

1138
01:03:58,040 --> 01:04:03,960
Speaker 1: a little copper tube on uh on air compressor fittings.

1139
01:04:04,080 --> 01:04:07,080
Speaker 1: I and you take that copper tube, you put the

1140
01:04:07,600 --> 01:04:09,760
Speaker 1: you put the horns and the skull down on the

1141
01:04:09,800 --> 01:04:12,800
Speaker 1: bucket pointing down and put that little copper tube up there,

1142
01:04:12,840 --> 01:04:17,280
Speaker 1: and you just blow it up one and it is

1143
01:04:17,720 --> 01:04:20,880
Speaker 1: clean as a whistle inside that brain cavity. Okay. I

1144
01:04:21,000 --> 01:04:24,120
Speaker 1: got so many responses off that. People are like, that

1145
01:04:24,200 --> 01:04:26,960
Speaker 1: is an incredible tip. Guys were sending me pictures of

1146
01:04:27,000 --> 01:04:32,600
Speaker 1: them using that. So any one that's a good one.

1147
01:04:33,320 --> 01:04:35,560
Speaker 1: Just a okay, you've given us a good one on

1148
01:04:35,600 --> 01:04:38,720
Speaker 1: the on the on the on the meat. That is

1149
01:04:38,720 --> 01:04:44,840
Speaker 1: there anything anything you guys do that's like special? Boy?

1150
01:04:44,880 --> 01:04:46,720
Speaker 1: ID have to think about that. I know, you know

1151
01:04:46,920 --> 01:04:51,840
Speaker 1: tips for us is is? Uh? I mean, I know

1152
01:04:52,000 --> 01:04:54,760
Speaker 1: I'm for a lot of the big game hunters. I

1153
01:04:54,800 --> 01:04:57,840
Speaker 1: am creating the the ultimate full pie and saying that

1154
01:04:57,880 --> 01:05:00,520
Speaker 1: I take those loin steaks and we make tips out

1155
01:05:00,520 --> 01:05:04,040
Speaker 1: of those. That is the you know, the cut on

1156
01:05:04,160 --> 01:05:10,560
Speaker 1: the animal. But you know we we we really protect

1157
01:05:10,560 --> 01:05:13,720
Speaker 1: those for the tips. I would say, I would say

1158
01:05:13,720 --> 01:05:16,040
Speaker 1: if that was the one tip we have or the

1159
01:05:16,040 --> 01:05:19,080
Speaker 1: one trick we use, it would be how we prepare

1160
01:05:19,120 --> 01:05:23,480
Speaker 1: that stuff I mean our family fancy tricks like sharpening knobs,

1161
01:05:24,880 --> 01:05:29,200
Speaker 1: handling pistols. You're you're a pistol guy that you were

1162
01:05:29,600 --> 01:05:32,240
Speaker 1: trained in Navy seal on how to shoot a pistol.

1163
01:05:33,160 --> 01:05:37,000
Speaker 1: You Uh, I'm just thinking of I'm trying to probe

1164
01:05:37,000 --> 01:05:44,640
Speaker 1: you here. Yeah. No, I you know, pretty straightforward, pretty straightforward,

1165
01:05:44,960 --> 01:05:47,440
Speaker 1: you know, subscribe to the if you're gonna pull the

1166
01:05:47,440 --> 01:05:50,800
Speaker 1: trigger and make sure it's gonna fall down, so one

1167
01:05:50,800 --> 01:05:57,520
Speaker 1: shot one that's what that's that'll get that'll get it done.

1168
01:05:57,560 --> 01:06:01,280
Speaker 1: That's right right on. Well, now this is this has

1169
01:06:01,320 --> 01:06:04,800
Speaker 1: been uh, this has been informative. I've learned some stuff.

1170
01:06:05,560 --> 01:06:07,440
Speaker 1: Good to have you on. I'm glad we went off

1171
01:06:07,520 --> 01:06:11,800
Speaker 1: script at the beginning. That's good. Yeah, that's good stuff.

1172
01:06:12,560 --> 01:06:16,600
Speaker 1: And uh in any closing comments, you know, I don't

1173
01:06:16,720 --> 01:06:21,280
Speaker 1: I I I appreciate the opportunity to just kinda get

1174
01:06:21,320 --> 01:06:23,520
Speaker 1: on here and talk about South Dakota. You know, like

1175
01:06:23,560 --> 01:06:26,120
Speaker 1: I said, South Dakota is one of those places in

1176
01:06:26,120 --> 01:06:28,600
Speaker 1: the country that not a lot of people have heard about.

1177
01:06:28,800 --> 01:06:33,600
Speaker 1: Though are our state's recent marketing effort to you know,

1178
01:06:34,760 --> 01:06:37,040
Speaker 1: we won't go there yet, but I'm sure many of

1179
01:06:37,080 --> 01:06:40,000
Speaker 1: the listeners have you go on social media right now,

1180
01:06:40,040 --> 01:06:42,200
Speaker 1: you're gonna hear a lot about South Dakota, but rest

1181
01:06:42,240 --> 01:06:45,400
Speaker 1: assured that not all of us are not all of

1182
01:06:45,480 --> 01:06:50,840
Speaker 1: us are crazy. Although the marketing efforts is getting people

1183
01:06:50,880 --> 01:06:53,080
Speaker 1: to talk about I think we gotta say now, we

1184
01:06:53,120 --> 01:06:55,439
Speaker 1: gotta go there, we gotta say, we gotta say we

1185
01:06:55,440 --> 01:06:59,720
Speaker 1: we laughed about this last night for thirty minutes, right, right.

1186
01:07:00,040 --> 01:07:02,440
Speaker 1: So so they're they're trying to put a curb on

1187
01:07:02,640 --> 01:07:07,919
Speaker 1: like every other place in the country, on the on meth, right,

1188
01:07:08,320 --> 01:07:11,760
Speaker 1: and so there it's it's a real problem in South Dakota.

1189
01:07:11,800 --> 01:07:14,320
Speaker 1: It has become much much more so in the last

1190
01:07:14,320 --> 01:07:17,200
Speaker 1: few years. And so they spun up a marketing effort

1191
01:07:17,200 --> 01:07:19,200
Speaker 1: that anybody, any of the listeners can go out and

1192
01:07:19,200 --> 01:07:22,280
Speaker 1: see and but meth we're on it, you know, And

1193
01:07:22,960 --> 01:07:27,160
Speaker 1: that's it. We're on it. So that's on billboards, that's

1194
01:07:27,240 --> 01:07:32,280
Speaker 1: on that's on radio, that's on This is their marketing campaign.

1195
01:07:32,280 --> 01:07:36,040
Speaker 1: And the point of the phrase was like, meth, we

1196
01:07:37,080 --> 01:07:40,160
Speaker 1: see the problem, we're working two, we're all on it

1197
01:07:40,240 --> 01:07:44,400
Speaker 1: together to deal with the issue, right, except the phrases meth,

1198
01:07:44,560 --> 01:07:48,000
Speaker 1: we're on it, right, And so they have taken tremendous

1199
01:07:48,000 --> 01:07:52,280
Speaker 1: flak and Jason was so kind as to enlighten us

1200
01:07:52,320 --> 01:07:58,640
Speaker 1: about this major marketing UH initiatives going on right right,

1201
01:07:59,480 --> 01:08:02,800
Speaker 1: So you know that's your closing stage. Well that that aside,

1202
01:08:02,960 --> 01:08:05,400
Speaker 1: you know something you know, while that is what we're

1203
01:08:05,440 --> 01:08:07,960
Speaker 1: currently in, then in the current news cycle famous for

1204
01:08:08,760 --> 01:08:13,080
Speaker 1: uh the you know within this podcast, and the listeners

1205
01:08:13,120 --> 01:08:16,160
Speaker 1: know that that's not all. South Dakota is known for

1206
01:08:16,920 --> 01:08:19,360
Speaker 1: lots of much better than really I thought it was.

1207
01:08:19,680 --> 01:08:21,960
Speaker 1: I mean, like, for ten minutes into the conversation, I

1208
01:08:22,080 --> 01:08:25,280
Speaker 1: was still like my mind was trying to compute whether

1209
01:08:25,280 --> 01:08:27,880
Speaker 1: this was true. It was like everything Jason Bok has

1210
01:08:27,880 --> 01:08:30,719
Speaker 1: ever said to me has been true. I don't believe

1211
01:08:30,760 --> 01:08:35,559
Speaker 1: what he's telling me, but it's crazy. Well, hey, we

1212
01:08:35,600 --> 01:08:38,639
Speaker 1: can't just leave South Dakota and alerch here. You know, Arkansas,

1213
01:08:38,800 --> 01:08:42,880
Speaker 1: we've had our recent national faux pause, particularly with our

1214
01:08:42,960 --> 01:08:47,839
Speaker 1: football team, So Arkansas Razorbacks in the SEC, the Southeastern Conference,

1215
01:08:48,040 --> 01:08:50,720
Speaker 1: which I mentioned. I'm not a big football fan at all,

1216
01:08:51,200 --> 01:08:53,679
Speaker 1: but you know, I kind of pay attention to at times.

1217
01:08:54,080 --> 01:08:59,000
Speaker 1: And uh so Arkansas Razorbacks are four and eighteen over

1218
01:08:59,040 --> 01:09:02,280
Speaker 1: the last two years. And so we just fired our

1219
01:09:02,320 --> 01:09:07,479
Speaker 1: football coach mid season. SEC football team firing their coach

1220
01:09:07,600 --> 01:09:12,120
Speaker 1: mid season because we got beat by Western Kentucky by

1221
01:09:12,200 --> 01:09:17,240
Speaker 1: like thirty points, which the Razorbacks have historically been a

1222
01:09:17,360 --> 01:09:21,519
Speaker 1: very competitive, nationally ranked usually team, you know, if you

1223
01:09:21,560 --> 01:09:24,000
Speaker 1: looked at the Broads and then we got beat by

1224
01:09:24,160 --> 01:09:28,479
Speaker 1: and nothing against Western Kentucky, but they're not a national

1225
01:09:29,080 --> 01:09:32,680
Speaker 1: competitor in anyway. So that's kind of that's kind of

1226
01:09:32,680 --> 01:09:35,400
Speaker 1: our claim to fame, right now, that's our Yeah, that's

1227
01:09:35,400 --> 01:09:39,720
Speaker 1: our claim to claim to shame. But yeah, but you know,

1228
01:09:40,920 --> 01:09:43,680
Speaker 1: it all all joking aside about the the effort in

1229
01:09:43,680 --> 01:09:46,080
Speaker 1: the marketing. You know, South Dakota is definitely one of

1230
01:09:46,080 --> 01:09:48,799
Speaker 1: those states that if you're a hunter, if you're passionate

1231
01:09:48,840 --> 01:09:51,320
Speaker 1: about the sport, and you know, even like we shared

1232
01:09:51,320 --> 01:09:54,760
Speaker 1: at the beginning, as part of your life balance are

1233
01:09:54,800 --> 01:10:00,280
Speaker 1: looking for opportunity and you know, the different variet idy

1234
01:10:00,360 --> 01:10:04,160
Speaker 1: of hunts. Yeah, it's it's hard to for from our opinion,

1235
01:10:04,479 --> 01:10:08,919
Speaker 1: it's hard to be Oh, I agree, incredible state. Well, Hey,

1236
01:10:09,040 --> 01:10:12,000
Speaker 1: we always close the podcast by saying, keep the wild

1237
01:10:12,000 --> 01:10:14,720
Speaker 1: places wild because that's where the Bears live, right on,

1238
01:10:15,760 --> 01:10:19,559
Speaker 1: right on, all right, perfect, very cool,