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Speaker 1: Ramsy's job. He is Ramsy's jah. I am q Ward.
Speaker 1: Thank you well once again tuning into Civic Cipher. Yes
Speaker 1: and uh, we are still riding along with Diane Post
Speaker 1: the lawyer, extraordinary activist.
Speaker 2: Standing ovation. But every time you save her frame, my
Speaker 2: whole being wakes up and I go to push the
Speaker 2: button for all the you know what I mean, the
Speaker 2: pomp and circumstances to get that together. Yes, we'll be
Speaker 2: if just for Diane when you talking, Yeah, we'll do that.
Speaker 3: Stick around.
Speaker 1: We're going to talk about a restrictive covenant bill because
Speaker 1: we need to learn about this. This will affect not
Speaker 1: just us, but you as well, potentially if we are
Speaker 1: not empowered. We're also going to be discussing affirmative action
Speaker 1: attacks from the Supreme Court, DEI attacks, et cetera, and
Speaker 1: critically what we can do to take power back from
Speaker 1: elected officials.
Speaker 3: So stay tuned for all that and much more.
Speaker 1: But first and foremost, we are going to be discussing
Speaker 1: Baba becoming a better ally ba BA and Diane has
Speaker 1: provided us a list of books to pay attention to
Speaker 1: if you haven't read them, or if you haven't read
Speaker 1: all of them.
Speaker 3: So the floor is yours.
Speaker 4: Well, I just mentioned these because when I was in
Speaker 4: Civics and high school, we were told we had to
Speaker 4: read these books. We discussed them, and we were told
Speaker 4: in my high school freshman high school Civics class, question authority,
Speaker 4: question your government, question authority. That's not what we're taught today,
Speaker 4: but that is exactly what the Boomers were taught, and
Speaker 4: that's why we were such a bunch of radical miniacs,
Speaker 4: and some of us still are. Okay, So the books
Speaker 4: Animal Farm it was one nineteen eighty four, absolutely vital.
Speaker 4: It became one of the best selling books recently, again
Speaker 4: because it's so relevant to today. Big Brother, Fahrenheit four
Speaker 4: fifty one, and that's the book burning one we got,
Speaker 4: you know, all.
Speaker 2: The book be fantasy fiction once upon the back again, Yeah,
Speaker 2: so much anymore.
Speaker 4: Remember the business about the history doesn't repeat, but it rhymes.
Speaker 4: It just goes around and around here we are so
Speaker 4: some of those and this is oh and then Saint
Speaker 4: Clair Lewis it can't happen here. This is less famous
Speaker 4: of a book, but it should be. It also became
Speaker 4: famous again recently because it says it all, yeah, because
Speaker 4: it can't happen here. It's about a fascist takeover, showing
Speaker 4: exactly how it can happen here. And then Rachel Maddow
Speaker 4: just released it, you know, a few months ago, her
Speaker 4: new book called pre Quill and what it is. It's
Speaker 4: about the fascist movement and the Nazi movement in the
Speaker 4: United States in the nineteen thirties, which is terrifying. But
Speaker 4: we need to know this so that we can understand
Speaker 4: what's happening today and how to respond to what's happening today.
Speaker 3: Listen, listen.
Speaker 1: If you are listening on the radio, which you should do,
Speaker 1: and you didn't get to write all those down, go
Speaker 1: to our website Civic scipher dot com. You can download
Speaker 1: the audio, play that part back and get that book
Speaker 1: list because it'll get you all the way together. Okay,
Speaker 1: So thank you very much for that, And I think
Speaker 1: now we need to.
Speaker 3: This discuss the restrictive Covenant bill.
Speaker 4: So I'm gonna go back one second to your list
Speaker 4: that you had there before of the reparations. You are
Speaker 4: aware that slave owners were paid reparations. Yes, they were
Speaker 4: paid reparations, while the slaves themselves were not. In the
Speaker 4: In the UK, it took them one hundred years to
Speaker 4: pay off the loan that they gave to pay the
Speaker 4: slave owners, and in Haiti was bankrupted and kept poor
Speaker 4: for two hundred years because they had to pay back
Speaker 4: France for the for the slaves. Yeah, exactly, So add
Speaker 4: that on to your list, because that is shocking when
Speaker 4: you're talking to white people and you say, well, you know,
Speaker 4: why should blacks get reparations because whites did white scout
Speaker 4: reparations intense It is disgusting. I had no idea, so
Speaker 4: I had to put that in there. Please, all right,
Speaker 4: Restrictive covenant Belka. There is such a thing as the
Speaker 4: Uniform Law Commission. This Uniform Law Commission is nation wide
Speaker 4: and they come up with exactly what it says. Uniform
Speaker 4: was that they try to pass everywherewhere. Right now, there
Speaker 4: are eight states that have restrictive covenant bills and about
Speaker 4: twelve cities. And what it is is going back to redlining,
Speaker 4: when there used to be on the deeds of property
Speaker 4: a provision that said you may never rent or sell
Speaker 4: this property to mine I actually looked it up when
Speaker 4: I started on this process. My deed says to anyone
Speaker 4: other than a Caucasian, my deed says this for my
Speaker 4: house in writing. So many of them said that, but
Speaker 4: they more likely would say to a Negro, a Jew,
Speaker 4: or an Asian. This is very common all over the country,
Speaker 4: and this was part of the red lining to keep
Speaker 4: blacks out of places we didn't want blacks to be living. Right,
Speaker 4: So this is called the restrictive covenant. So on your
Speaker 4: property deed is a covenant or an agreement that it
Speaker 4: is restricted to be sold to or rented to certain people.
Speaker 4: All right, So how this all happened? Well, So the
Speaker 4: Uniform Law Commission is we had been working on this
Speaker 4: because the eight different states that already have these laws
Speaker 4: were all different ways of doing it, and some worked
Speaker 4: and some didn't, and some were better than others, et cetera.
Speaker 4: And then the twelve cities that have it all had
Speaker 4: different ways of doing it. So what they try to
Speaker 4: do is take all of these examples and come up
Speaker 4: with the best possible law that could be for everybody. Yeah,
Speaker 4: make it quote uniform unquote. So that has now been
Speaker 4: adopted by the National Uniform Law Commission and Arizona hopefully
Speaker 4: we'll be the first stay capacit. We were already had
Speaker 4: a working group, a stakeholder group to work on this.
Speaker 4: We didn't even know about this, we found out about it,
Speaker 4: So we were already working on this for the state legislatur.
Speaker 4: And so then we've continued and we have a great
Speaker 4: stakeholder group. We have Republicans, Democrats, we have government officials,
Speaker 4: we have home hoas you know, we have individual homeowners.
Speaker 4: We have the Black lawyers, we have the Jewish lawyers,
Speaker 4: we have Asian groups, we have all of the groups
Speaker 4: that were impacted by this on our stakeholder and the
Speaker 4: people that are going to be impacted by it. So
Speaker 4: the bill's been introduced here in Arizona, the model bill
Speaker 4: that is applicable across the country. So the bill has
Speaker 4: been introduced here by a Republican and a Democrat. So
Speaker 4: bills will not pass in Arizona unless you get a
Speaker 4: Republican sponsor, Okay, and we did. And he's a real
Speaker 4: estate agent, so he knows about his thing, and he's
Speaker 4: the chair of the committee that we hope it goes to.
Speaker 4: It has a good chance of passing and in our
Speaker 4: stakeholder group. Like I said, you know, the county recorders
Speaker 4: are not opposed to it, the hoas are not opposed
Speaker 4: to it, the Land Title Association people are not opposed
Speaker 4: to it. So we've got everybody on board with it.
Speaker 4: So we're really hoping to pass it. So this is
Speaker 4: something that nationwide people should be looking at in their
Speaker 4: own communities. They can do it by city or you
Speaker 4: can it's better, of course to do it statewide, but
Speaker 4: if you can't.
Speaker 3: You can do it.
Speaker 1: So for our listeners who may not be legally sophisticated,
Speaker 1: what is the benefit of having this passed in their community.
Speaker 4: So to get a little history on it, in nineteen
Speaker 4: forty eight, the US Supreme Court said you cannot enforce
Speaker 4: these covenants. So there was such a covenant and somebody
Speaker 4: sold their house to a black person and the neighbors
Speaker 4: tried to stop them, and the court said, well, we
Speaker 4: can't stop you from doing it.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 4: Remember forty eight, I was a year old, so we
Speaker 4: can't stop you from doing it. But because it is discriminatory,
Speaker 4: federal courts cannot participate in enforcing it. So it totally
Speaker 4: weakened them, but it didn't make them go Away stopped it,
Speaker 4: and they kept on until nineteen sixty eight. So most
Speaker 4: of the housing developments, suburbs, big thing here, suburbs built
Speaker 4: before nineteen sixty eight have these restrictive covenants in there.
Speaker 4: Why do they have them? Because people wanted him and
Speaker 4: even though they weren't actually enforceable, they wanted him in
Speaker 4: there because who knew that they weren't enforceable but the
Speaker 4: few lawyers, right, I mean, not everybody knew this. So
Speaker 4: in nineteen sixty eight, when the Housing Fair Anything Law
Speaker 4: was passed, it prohibited them. So from nineteen sixty eight on,
Speaker 4: you may not put them in there. So that's the
Speaker 4: question we get asked all the time, Well why bother them?
Speaker 4: I mean, why bother They're not enforceable. But the point
Speaker 4: is this, how this all started in Arizona, was a
Speaker 4: new professor came to U of A. He was a
Speaker 4: geography dude. He bought a condo. He looks at the
Speaker 4: deed as he did what I didn't even know as
Speaker 4: a lawyer, he read every bit of it and there
Speaker 4: it was and it said you cannot rent to vendor
Speaker 4: sell to a negro. His spouse was black. So he
Speaker 4: went to the real estate agent and fit and the
Speaker 4: real estate said, oh, never mind. You know it's it's
Speaker 4: not enforceable, but I don't care if it's enforceable or not.
Speaker 4: This is a mark of slavery. Remember the thirteenth Amendment.
Speaker 4: It said we're going to do away with the badges
Speaker 4: of slavery. This is a badge of slavery. This is
Speaker 4: a story of the discriminatory history in this country, and
Speaker 4: we are not going to continue it. So he actually
Speaker 4: came to the NAACP and said, can you do this law?
Speaker 4: So that's how it got started, and we did it.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 4: So that's where we are. So the people working on
Speaker 4: our group that have written books about this, there's books
Speaker 4: written about it. Carol Rose is Americus professor lawyer U
Speaker 4: of A, and she's written books about this. There's the
Speaker 4: whole psychological part of it. You know that it has
Speaker 4: an impact on people. It has an impact on their
Speaker 4: behaviors and their feelings and their opinions.
Speaker 3: You know, certainly does with us.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 4: So, I mean when you were saying about how this
Speaker 4: it was to say so and so bought so and
Speaker 4: so I was going to make a joke, but then
Speaker 4: I thought, really, wasn't probably very funny. But you know,
Speaker 4: well that makes me feel bad as a white person,
Speaker 4: because that's the whole thing. Four little white people feel
Speaker 4: bad about something that happened to a thousand years ago. Well,
Speaker 4: how about black people feeling bad about what's happening today.
Speaker 4: You know that's not allowed.
Speaker 1: And you know, on top of that, it feels bad
Speaker 1: to read that a baby was a slave, you know,
Speaker 1: and I have to read that every day, and so
Speaker 1: you know, I know that to be fair is we
Speaker 1: recognize that there's all types that listen to the show.
Speaker 1: This is hard content to deal with. And we you
Speaker 1: and I we come into this room every week, eyes
Speaker 1: wide open, just out and we jump into this pit,
Speaker 1: yes and way through it all. And we're brave enough
Speaker 1: to do that. And we're not better or worse than
Speaker 1: anyone else. And when we bring up these points that,
Speaker 1: you know, it'd be one thing if I'm talking to
Speaker 1: a white person for them to feel bad about that
Speaker 1: having been what they inherited. But to those people, I say,
Speaker 1: imagine what it feels like reading that about your ancestors, Like, yeah,
Speaker 1: this is this is my start. I didn't come on
Speaker 1: the Mayflower. I didn't come you know I wasn't you know,
Speaker 1: I came in chains, you know, like what worth is
Speaker 1: your life with value?
Speaker 4: But the answer to I feel bad is then do
Speaker 4: something fixed boom, Then take in action and do something.
Speaker 2: You know, this is important to say. I want to
Speaker 2: say this because you know, we do a show that
Speaker 2: has a clock and time runs out, and this needs
Speaker 2: to be said where other people can hear it. I
Speaker 2: have become grossly disenfranchised and discouraged with the political climate
Speaker 2: of our country and what is going on with our
Speaker 2: leaders and our legislators. And the sad part is I
Speaker 2: don't often enough get to hear voices like Diane. This
Speaker 2: is why we celebrate you so much, because we can
Speaker 2: easily forget that you exist exist, that people that think
Speaker 2: like you exist, because we get amplification of the other
Speaker 2: side on every network that my television has. Even those
Speaker 2: who used to be centered or left leaning are starting
Speaker 2: to now all sound the same and it's terrifying. My
Speaker 2: family has started to look at places where you know,
Speaker 2: black people have expat and moved from this country to
Speaker 2: go live elsewhere, because it's starting to feel scary and
Speaker 2: dangerous here. So you forget that there are people in
Speaker 2: this country, who have a heart and who have no
Speaker 2: how and who are learned and who are organized, and
Speaker 2: who are taking steps to give us a better place
Speaker 2: to live, you know, and we're talking about I know,
Speaker 2: we're going to be talking about you know, affirmative action
Speaker 2: and DEI and just you know, control taking control back
Speaker 2: from our government here coming up. And if I'm a
Speaker 2: live out to segue to those topics, Yes, our Supreme
Speaker 2: Court was stacked very heavily by the last president, very intentionally,
Speaker 2: and they are now attempting to do things that will
Speaker 2: make them the all unilateral power, where we no longer
Speaker 2: have to be consulted in, where Congress no longer has
Speaker 2: a say soul. How terrifying is that for someone like yourself,
Speaker 2: who understands it a lot better than a layman like me,
Speaker 2: to see that our political leaders are exploiting their power
Speaker 2: to take control and put their constituents under their thumb.
Speaker 4: Well, let me give you a little positive on that.
Speaker 4: The Supreme Court has no power, but what we give it.
Speaker 4: They don't have an army, they don't have any way
Speaker 4: to enforce their rulings except that we believe them. So
Speaker 4: in some ways they are legless. You know, they're supposed
Speaker 4: to be three legs of the government, right, the legislative,
Speaker 4: the judicial, and the pizza, you know, the executive and
Speaker 4: so they but they don't have any leg because they
Speaker 4: got nobody but the executive or the Congress to enforce
Speaker 4: what they say. Let me give you an example. I'm
Speaker 4: sure you all know the dread Scott decision, right Well,
Speaker 4: I just finished writing a two part thing on how
Speaker 4: the Supreme Court has worked to undermine the first reconstruction
Speaker 4: and the second reconstruction, and they have. There was only
Speaker 4: a short period of time under the the one court
Speaker 4: where I've got his name, where Brown versus Board of
Speaker 4: Education happened during that twenty years there when good cases
Speaker 4: happened in the Supreme Court leaned on the side of
Speaker 4: African Americans. There's only that time. All the rest of
Speaker 4: the time they have tried to destroy whatever was done
Speaker 4: for African Americans in this country. But after the dread
Speaker 4: Scott decision, in which the Supreme Court said black people
Speaker 4: have no rights which white people have to pay any
Speaker 4: attention to, and they cannot vote, they cannot do anything,
Speaker 4: they can't be citizens, They'll never be anything. Right, Abraham
Speaker 4: Lincoln and the rest of them ignored them. They just
Speaker 4: ignored them. So that's what you do. You ignore the
Speaker 4: Supreme Court with the rulings about DEEI and affirmative action,
Speaker 4: they're just being ignored. Rather than stopping it, we're just shifting.
Speaker 4: When you meet a mountain, what do you do? You
Speaker 4: go over it, or you go around it, or you
Speaker 4: go through it. You do one of the three things.
Speaker 4: So we're just going around it. So instead of saying, Okay,
Speaker 4: we're going to go and recruit black kids, we're going
Speaker 4: to say, Okay, we're going to go to an economically
Speaker 4: vulnerable community, or we're going to go to a rural community,
Speaker 4: or we're going to look for kids who have talent
Speaker 4: in this or that or the other. There are I mean,
Speaker 4: there's all kinds of trainings that I've received and documents
Speaker 4: that I've read about how to get around this. You
Speaker 4: just go around them and you double down.
Speaker 3: You know what.
Speaker 1: I want to take this moment to shout out of
Speaker 1: all people, Mark Cuban, because I read something this might
Speaker 1: have been yesterday.
Speaker 3: Those that know I do a show.
Speaker 1: We do a show for the Black Information Network, We
Speaker 1: do the Daily Podcast, and we covered well I didn't
Speaker 1: cover this story, but I read it and it was
Speaker 1: in Box Business Journal or whatever. But Mark Cuban was
Speaker 1: doing that very thing.
Speaker 4: Yep.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and he's actually they're trying to suggest that he
Speaker 3: might get in trouble for that, but he seems to
Speaker 3: not really care.
Speaker 2: I mean, the hiring of Cynthia Marshall made that clear
Speaker 2: that the first black female CEO in the history of
Speaker 2: the NBA was hired by Mark Cuban. Yep. So he's
Speaker 2: actively doing that.
Speaker 4: Don't just go around it.
Speaker 2: It's not just that an idea for him. He's he's
Speaker 2: it's kinetic.
Speaker 4: And what Lincoln did back then after the Judge's cop
Speaker 4: decision was and in the North, not just Lincoln, but
Speaker 4: other states in the North, they gave blacks a right
Speaker 4: to vote. They ran for office, and they got into office,
Speaker 4: and they just treated them as if that decision had
Speaker 4: never happened. And that's what we need to do. It's
Speaker 4: the same thing with abortion. So they say, well, I
Speaker 4: don't need one, but you know I can't have an abortion.
Speaker 4: You just go ahead and do it anyway, you find
Speaker 4: another way to do it. Women have always had abortions
Speaker 4: and they always will have abortions. One way or another.
Speaker 4: So the Supreme Court isn't really all that powerful. Now,
Speaker 4: you know, there are many moves to increase the numbers
Speaker 4: of people on the Supreme Court. So that's one thing,
Speaker 4: of course, if the er if you tried that and
Speaker 4: it didn't work, but that doesn't mean it can't ever work.
Speaker 2: But there seem to be corporations and organizations that were
Speaker 2: waiting for the Supreme Court to do something like that,
Speaker 2: to give them permission, yes, to be racist again.
Speaker 4: Absolutely absolutely, well. You do know, down at the legislature,
Speaker 4: not only in the United States, not only in Arizona,
Speaker 4: but around the country, bills are being introduced by the
Speaker 4: Republican Party to prohibit banks, financial institutions, and anybody who
Speaker 4: contracts with the state using social scores social or environmental
Speaker 4: scores as a determinant of whether to give loans or
Speaker 4: you know, how big of a loan or whatever. Those
Speaker 4: quote social or environmental scores are things that we've developed
Speaker 4: over years to see how how decent is the corporation. Basically,
Speaker 4: you know, are they hiring you know, child labor and
Speaker 4: prison labor and following the environmental rules and you know
Speaker 4: that sort of thing, and then their score is higher
Speaker 4: and higher, so in fact, those companies do better financially
Speaker 4: than the ones who are dirty companies. But yet the
Speaker 4: state must have prohibit anybody from contracting with those companies
Speaker 4: because they don't want the DEI scores. But they're not
Speaker 4: going to win this battle.
Speaker 2: They want to pretend that there's a meritocracy right, there
Speaker 2: is welfare and the best people will come out on top.
Speaker 2: And we know that that's just not.
Speaker 4: The game, absolutely not the game.
Speaker 1: One of the things I think to your point, Q,
Speaker 1: one of the things that I think further illuminates that
Speaker 1: is when we did the the what was it, the
Speaker 1: skewed Monopoly, yes, the warped Monopoly example, where in short,
Speaker 1: we started a game of monopoly, and Q and I
Speaker 1: got to go first, and you, our listener, had to
Speaker 1: wait a few turns while we made our purchases. We
Speaker 1: got two hundred dollars, well exactly, and then but after
Speaker 1: we after we went around the board four times or whatever,
Speaker 1: we call that period slavery. You could participate, but you
Speaker 1: could only collect one hundred dollars from passing go.
Speaker 3: You could not buy any property. Blah blah blah.
Speaker 1: That was your reality for the first three turns around
Speaker 1: the board. And then after that then you were able
Speaker 1: to get you know what is it community chess and
Speaker 1: those sorts of things.
Speaker 3: And then.
Speaker 1: We decided, okay, so what we can do now is
Speaker 1: play the game fair, right, meaning you can do everything
Speaker 1: that we can do. You can get two hundred dollars
Speaker 1: when you can roll with both dice, right, will you
Speaker 1: win that game? If we have already been going around
Speaker 1: building wealth, we own all the properties, all the houses,
Speaker 1: we own all the railroads, everything like that. Now we
Speaker 1: say you can play the game fair, will you win?
Speaker 1: Do you even have a chance of being competitive? And
Speaker 1: of course the answer isn't it no. But if we
Speaker 1: put in, if we build in to the game that
Speaker 1: maybe you can roll twice in a row for however long,
Speaker 1: or maybe you can we'll start you off with a
Speaker 1: few houses, or maybe we'll you know whatever, whatever elements
Speaker 1: will inject into the game to make you a minimum competitive.
Speaker 1: Would you prefer that or would you prefer to play
Speaker 1: the game fair? And I know that your answer would
Speaker 1: be I would prefer to have some sort of restorative
Speaker 1: justice so that I can at least be competitive here
Speaker 1: that I think that that sums it up.
Speaker 2: And people would think that we were ridiculous if we
Speaker 2: argued against it.
Speaker 1: Right, you guys clearly started the game four moves ahead
Speaker 1: of put right.
Speaker 4: Absolutely, But yet it's fair for me to start now
Speaker 4: after my legs have been untied and my arms have
Speaker 4: been untied. Now I can race you.
Speaker 3: Oh right, sure, so silly.
Speaker 4: And I want to mention one thing too about the
Speaker 4: suffirmative action issue in the Supreme Board case. Yes, it
Speaker 4: started way back in the seventies. And this started as
Speaker 4: a positive case. Now when you talk about allies, how
Speaker 4: allies can think they're doing good and it turns out bad.
Speaker 4: But sometimes that happens, you know. And it was a
Speaker 4: case of white people saying, well, we are discriminated against
Speaker 4: because you won't rent to blacks in this building. So
Speaker 4: I lose out living in a multicultural system because you
Speaker 4: won't rent blacks. Well, they won the case, and they
Speaker 4: said the fourteenth Amendment did apply to whites. Well that's
Speaker 4: the problem today. That's the problem today because the Fourteenth
Speaker 4: Amendment wasn't made for whites. They didn't need an amendment
Speaker 4: to freedom of slavery. They weren't it slaveow.
Speaker 1: Well, listen, we're going to have to yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4: For two years.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, regularity yeah, fit us in whenever you can.
Speaker 1: You know, each one of these things we could break
Speaker 1: out and have full on we could conversations about. And
Speaker 1: I think that not only would we be empowered here
Speaker 1: on the show, but I think that our listeners would
Speaker 1: be more empowered.
Speaker 2: Of course, I have a fantastic idea is that we
Speaker 2: should go live with her?
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, we should. We should, So let's uh plan
Speaker 3: for that next time.
Speaker 4: What does that mean? Explain later.
Speaker 3: We'll explain it last, but we'll go live.
Speaker 1: But for now, we'd like to thank you all for
Speaker 1: tuning in once again to civic sicher hoimih host ramses job.
Speaker 2: You know, he is Ramsays and I'm his brother, and
Speaker 2: if you have a problem with him, you have a
Speaker 2: problem with me. And I've been talking to him, I've
Speaker 2: been doing pushing us so I'm ready to hit these streets. No,
Speaker 2: I'm joking. We appreciate you guys more than you know.
Speaker 2: We tried to laugh and smile as often as we
Speaker 2: can on this show because unfortunately a lot of the
Speaker 2: things that we have to cover our tough yeah, and
Speaker 2: you guys help us through it. Hearing Diane talk today
Speaker 2: gave me some energy and some rejuvenation that I needed
Speaker 2: because I started to become very discouraged with the goings
Speaker 2: on in our country. So thank Diane, thank you so much.
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