WEBVTT - 020324 Lawyer/Activist Dianne Post on DEI Suppression, and Reparations (Part 2) 0:00:00.480 --> 0:00:02.600 Keep on riding with us as we continue to broadcast 0:00:02.600 --> 0:00:05.360 the balance and defend the discourse from these hip hop 0:00:05.400 --> 0:00:08.239 weekly studios. Welcome back to Civic Cipher. I'm your host, 0:00:08.320 --> 0:00:11.080 Ramsy's job. He is Ramsy's jah. I am q Ward. 0:00:11.119 --> 0:00:14.239 Thank you well once again tuning into Civic Cipher. Yes 0:00:14.360 --> 0:00:17.680 and uh, we are still riding along with Diane Post 0:00:17.840 --> 0:00:23.960 the lawyer, extraordinary activist. 0:00:22.400 --> 0:00:25.599 Standing ovation. But every time you save her frame, my 0:00:25.800 --> 0:00:28.520 whole being wakes up and I go to push the 0:00:28.640 --> 0:00:31.400 button for all the you know what I mean, the 0:00:31.440 --> 0:00:34.400 pomp and circumstances to get that together. Yes, we'll be 0:00:34.479 --> 0:00:36.680 if just for Diane when you talking, Yeah, we'll do that. 0:00:37.880 --> 0:00:38.320 Stick around. 0:00:38.360 --> 0:00:42.680 We're going to talk about a restrictive covenant bill because 0:00:42.840 --> 0:00:45.239 we need to learn about this. This will affect not 0:00:45.320 --> 0:00:47.559 just us, but you as well, potentially if we are 0:00:47.600 --> 0:00:50.800 not empowered. We're also going to be discussing affirmative action 0:00:50.960 --> 0:00:54.279 attacks from the Supreme Court, DEI attacks, et cetera, and 0:00:54.720 --> 0:00:57.520 critically what we can do to take power back from 0:00:57.600 --> 0:00:58.400 elected officials. 0:00:58.400 --> 0:00:59.840 So stay tuned for all that and much more. 0:00:59.880 --> 0:01:02.280 But first and foremost, we are going to be discussing 0:01:02.440 --> 0:01:08.480 Baba becoming a better ally ba BA and Diane has 0:01:08.760 --> 0:01:13.560 provided us a list of books to pay attention to 0:01:13.800 --> 0:01:16.240 if you haven't read them, or if you haven't read 0:01:16.280 --> 0:01:16.720 all of them. 0:01:17.240 --> 0:01:18.679 So the floor is yours. 0:01:19.040 --> 0:01:21.000 Well, I just mentioned these because when I was in 0:01:21.160 --> 0:01:23.800 Civics and high school, we were told we had to 0:01:23.800 --> 0:01:26.080 read these books. We discussed them, and we were told 0:01:26.120 --> 0:01:29.440 in my high school freshman high school Civics class, question authority, 0:01:29.920 --> 0:01:33.119 question your government, question authority. That's not what we're taught today, 0:01:33.280 --> 0:01:35.200 but that is exactly what the Boomers were taught, and 0:01:35.200 --> 0:01:37.320 that's why we were such a bunch of radical miniacs, 0:01:37.319 --> 0:01:39.360 and some of us still are. Okay, So the books 0:01:39.600 --> 0:01:43.919 Animal Farm it was one nineteen eighty four, absolutely vital. 0:01:44.160 --> 0:01:47.200 It became one of the best selling books recently, again 0:01:47.680 --> 0:01:51.320 because it's so relevant to today. Big Brother, Fahrenheit four 0:01:51.400 --> 0:01:53.600 fifty one, and that's the book burning one we got, 0:01:53.880 --> 0:01:54.520 you know, all. 0:01:54.400 --> 0:01:57.880 The book be fantasy fiction once upon the back again, Yeah, 0:01:58.240 --> 0:01:59.120 so much anymore. 0:01:59.280 --> 0:02:02.200 Remember the business about the history doesn't repeat, but it rhymes. 0:02:02.240 --> 0:02:04.600 It just goes around and around here we are so 0:02:04.640 --> 0:02:07.240 some of those and this is oh and then Saint 0:02:07.280 --> 0:02:10.160 Clair Lewis it can't happen here. This is less famous 0:02:10.160 --> 0:02:12.640 of a book, but it should be. It also became 0:02:12.680 --> 0:02:15.320 famous again recently because it says it all, yeah, because 0:02:15.320 --> 0:02:18.280 it can't happen here. It's about a fascist takeover, showing 0:02:18.360 --> 0:02:21.320 exactly how it can happen here. And then Rachel Maddow 0:02:21.480 --> 0:02:23.160 just released it, you know, a few months ago, her 0:02:23.320 --> 0:02:26.000 new book called pre Quill and what it is. It's 0:02:26.000 --> 0:02:28.600 about the fascist movement and the Nazi movement in the 0:02:28.680 --> 0:02:32.760 United States in the nineteen thirties, which is terrifying. But 0:02:32.880 --> 0:02:35.119 we need to know this so that we can understand 0:02:35.120 --> 0:02:38.040 what's happening today and how to respond to what's happening today. 0:02:38.080 --> 0:02:39.040 Listen, listen. 0:02:39.160 --> 0:02:42.480 If you are listening on the radio, which you should do, 0:02:43.400 --> 0:02:45.520 and you didn't get to write all those down, go 0:02:45.560 --> 0:02:48.800 to our website Civic scipher dot com. You can download 0:02:48.800 --> 0:02:52.120 the audio, play that part back and get that book 0:02:52.160 --> 0:02:54.680 list because it'll get you all the way together. Okay, 0:02:54.880 --> 0:02:58.320 So thank you very much for that, And I think 0:02:58.400 --> 0:02:59.200 now we need to. 0:02:59.760 --> 0:03:03.160 This discuss the restrictive Covenant bill. 0:03:03.280 --> 0:03:05.800 So I'm gonna go back one second to your list 0:03:05.840 --> 0:03:08.799 that you had there before of the reparations. You are 0:03:09.000 --> 0:03:14.760 aware that slave owners were paid reparations. Yes, they were 0:03:14.760 --> 0:03:18.320 paid reparations, while the slaves themselves were not. In the 0:03:18.560 --> 0:03:21.480 In the UK, it took them one hundred years to 0:03:21.560 --> 0:03:23.840 pay off the loan that they gave to pay the 0:03:23.880 --> 0:03:28.720 slave owners, and in Haiti was bankrupted and kept poor 0:03:28.840 --> 0:03:31.519 for two hundred years because they had to pay back 0:03:31.560 --> 0:03:35.840 France for the for the slaves. Yeah, exactly, So add 0:03:35.840 --> 0:03:38.640 that on to your list, because that is shocking when 0:03:38.640 --> 0:03:40.880 you're talking to white people and you say, well, you know, 0:03:40.920 --> 0:03:45.000 why should blacks get reparations because whites did white scout 0:03:45.080 --> 0:03:50.120 reparations intense It is disgusting. I had no idea, so 0:03:50.160 --> 0:03:51.640 I had to put that in there. Please, all right, 0:03:53.040 --> 0:03:56.160 Restrictive covenant Belka. There is such a thing as the 0:03:56.280 --> 0:04:00.480 Uniform Law Commission. This Uniform Law Commission is nation wide 0:04:00.520 --> 0:04:02.760 and they come up with exactly what it says. Uniform 0:04:02.960 --> 0:04:07.040 was that they try to pass everywherewhere. Right now, there 0:04:07.080 --> 0:04:10.480 are eight states that have restrictive covenant bills and about 0:04:10.480 --> 0:04:14.640 twelve cities. And what it is is going back to redlining, 0:04:15.280 --> 0:04:18.240 when there used to be on the deeds of property 0:04:18.720 --> 0:04:22.279 a provision that said you may never rent or sell 0:04:22.320 --> 0:04:26.280 this property to mine I actually looked it up when 0:04:26.320 --> 0:04:29.360 I started on this process. My deed says to anyone 0:04:29.360 --> 0:04:32.000 other than a Caucasian, my deed says this for my 0:04:32.080 --> 0:04:36.719 house in writing. So many of them said that, but 0:04:36.760 --> 0:04:40.119 they more likely would say to a Negro, a Jew, 0:04:40.839 --> 0:04:44.120 or an Asian. This is very common all over the country, 0:04:44.480 --> 0:04:46.320 and this was part of the red lining to keep 0:04:46.360 --> 0:04:49.400 blacks out of places we didn't want blacks to be living. Right, 0:04:50.120 --> 0:04:53.480 So this is called the restrictive covenant. So on your 0:04:53.640 --> 0:04:57.279 property deed is a covenant or an agreement that it 0:04:57.360 --> 0:05:00.359 is restricted to be sold to or rented to certain people. 0:05:00.839 --> 0:05:03.800 All right, So how this all happened? Well, So the 0:05:04.480 --> 0:05:07.080 Uniform Law Commission is we had been working on this 0:05:07.160 --> 0:05:09.719 because the eight different states that already have these laws 0:05:09.760 --> 0:05:13.000 were all different ways of doing it, and some worked 0:05:13.040 --> 0:05:15.440 and some didn't, and some were better than others, et cetera. 0:05:16.120 --> 0:05:19.000 And then the twelve cities that have it all had 0:05:19.040 --> 0:05:21.680 different ways of doing it. So what they try to 0:05:21.680 --> 0:05:24.600 do is take all of these examples and come up 0:05:24.640 --> 0:05:29.240 with the best possible law that could be for everybody. Yeah, 0:05:29.360 --> 0:05:33.000 make it quote uniform unquote. So that has now been 0:05:33.040 --> 0:05:37.880 adopted by the National Uniform Law Commission and Arizona hopefully 0:05:37.880 --> 0:05:41.720 we'll be the first stay capacit. We were already had 0:05:41.839 --> 0:05:44.400 a working group, a stakeholder group to work on this. 0:05:44.480 --> 0:05:46.480 We didn't even know about this, we found out about it, 0:05:46.800 --> 0:05:50.800 So we were already working on this for the state legislatur. 0:05:51.320 --> 0:05:53.600 And so then we've continued and we have a great 0:05:53.600 --> 0:05:56.600 stakeholder group. We have Republicans, Democrats, we have government officials, 0:05:56.600 --> 0:06:00.000 we have home hoas you know, we have individual homeowners. 0:06:00.080 --> 0:06:02.760 We have the Black lawyers, we have the Jewish lawyers, 0:06:02.960 --> 0:06:05.120 we have Asian groups, we have all of the groups 0:06:05.120 --> 0:06:07.880 that were impacted by this on our stakeholder and the 0:06:07.880 --> 0:06:10.159 people that are going to be impacted by it. So 0:06:10.360 --> 0:06:14.600 the bill's been introduced here in Arizona, the model bill 0:06:15.120 --> 0:06:17.880 that is applicable across the country. So the bill has 0:06:17.920 --> 0:06:21.240 been introduced here by a Republican and a Democrat. So 0:06:21.760 --> 0:06:23.600 bills will not pass in Arizona unless you get a 0:06:23.600 --> 0:06:26.560 Republican sponsor, Okay, and we did. And he's a real 0:06:26.680 --> 0:06:29.479 estate agent, so he knows about his thing, and he's 0:06:29.520 --> 0:06:31.200 the chair of the committee that we hope it goes to. 0:06:31.760 --> 0:06:34.160 It has a good chance of passing and in our 0:06:34.200 --> 0:06:36.679 stakeholder group. Like I said, you know, the county recorders 0:06:36.680 --> 0:06:39.080 are not opposed to it, the hoas are not opposed 0:06:39.120 --> 0:06:43.560 to it, the Land Title Association people are not opposed 0:06:43.560 --> 0:06:46.880 to it. So we've got everybody on board with it. 0:06:47.080 --> 0:06:48.719 So we're really hoping to pass it. So this is 0:06:48.720 --> 0:06:51.920 something that nationwide people should be looking at in their 0:06:51.960 --> 0:06:54.880 own communities. They can do it by city or you 0:06:54.920 --> 0:06:57.440 can it's better, of course to do it statewide, but 0:06:57.880 --> 0:06:58.760 if you can't. 0:06:59.320 --> 0:06:59.719 You can do it. 0:07:00.440 --> 0:07:05.200 So for our listeners who may not be legally sophisticated, 0:07:06.680 --> 0:07:10.160 what is the benefit of having this passed in their community. 0:07:10.360 --> 0:07:12.080 So to get a little history on it, in nineteen 0:07:12.240 --> 0:07:16.400 forty eight, the US Supreme Court said you cannot enforce 0:07:16.480 --> 0:07:21.000 these covenants. So there was such a covenant and somebody 0:07:21.080 --> 0:07:23.520 sold their house to a black person and the neighbors 0:07:23.760 --> 0:07:26.160 tried to stop them, and the court said, well, we 0:07:26.240 --> 0:07:27.560 can't stop you from doing it. 0:07:27.560 --> 0:07:27.720 Now. 0:07:27.720 --> 0:07:31.320 Remember forty eight, I was a year old, so we 0:07:31.360 --> 0:07:34.760 can't stop you from doing it. But because it is discriminatory, 0:07:35.560 --> 0:07:41.240 federal courts cannot participate in enforcing it. So it totally 0:07:41.520 --> 0:07:43.920 weakened them, but it didn't make them go Away stopped it, 0:07:44.200 --> 0:07:48.320 and they kept on until nineteen sixty eight. So most 0:07:48.480 --> 0:07:55.880 of the housing developments, suburbs, big thing here, suburbs built 0:07:56.920 --> 0:08:01.480 before nineteen sixty eight have these restrictive covenants in there. 0:08:01.640 --> 0:08:04.200 Why do they have them? Because people wanted him and 0:08:04.240 --> 0:08:07.600 even though they weren't actually enforceable, they wanted him in 0:08:07.600 --> 0:08:09.840 there because who knew that they weren't enforceable but the 0:08:09.840 --> 0:08:12.520 few lawyers, right, I mean, not everybody knew this. So 0:08:12.560 --> 0:08:17.080 in nineteen sixty eight, when the Housing Fair Anything Law 0:08:17.160 --> 0:08:21.520 was passed, it prohibited them. So from nineteen sixty eight on, 0:08:21.880 --> 0:08:24.720 you may not put them in there. So that's the 0:08:24.800 --> 0:08:27.080 question we get asked all the time, Well why bother them? 0:08:27.560 --> 0:08:30.920 I mean, why bother They're not enforceable. But the point 0:08:30.960 --> 0:08:34.600 is this, how this all started in Arizona, was a 0:08:34.679 --> 0:08:37.160 new professor came to U of A. He was a 0:08:37.200 --> 0:08:40.560 geography dude. He bought a condo. He looks at the 0:08:41.040 --> 0:08:42.760 deed as he did what I didn't even know as 0:08:42.760 --> 0:08:44.680 a lawyer, he read every bit of it and there 0:08:44.679 --> 0:08:48.360 it was and it said you cannot rent to vendor 0:08:48.440 --> 0:08:53.880 sell to a negro. His spouse was black. So he 0:08:53.920 --> 0:08:57.240 went to the real estate agent and fit and the 0:08:57.240 --> 0:09:00.240 real estate said, oh, never mind. You know it's it's 0:09:00.360 --> 0:09:02.760 not enforceable, but I don't care if it's enforceable or not. 0:09:03.720 --> 0:09:07.480 This is a mark of slavery. Remember the thirteenth Amendment. 0:09:07.520 --> 0:09:09.760 It said we're going to do away with the badges 0:09:09.800 --> 0:09:13.360 of slavery. This is a badge of slavery. This is 0:09:13.440 --> 0:09:17.800 a story of the discriminatory history in this country, and 0:09:17.840 --> 0:09:20.880 we are not going to continue it. So he actually 0:09:21.040 --> 0:09:24.400 came to the NAACP and said, can you do this law? 0:09:24.880 --> 0:09:26.480 So that's how it got started, and we did it. 0:09:26.840 --> 0:09:27.120 Okay. 0:09:27.440 --> 0:09:29.600 So that's where we are. So the people working on 0:09:29.640 --> 0:09:32.520 our group that have written books about this, there's books 0:09:32.520 --> 0:09:37.760 written about it. Carol Rose is Americus professor lawyer U 0:09:37.840 --> 0:09:40.640 of A, and she's written books about this. There's the 0:09:40.760 --> 0:09:48.679 whole psychological part of it. You know that it has 0:09:48.720 --> 0:09:52.000 an impact on people. It has an impact on their 0:09:52.240 --> 0:09:54.559 behaviors and their feelings and their opinions. 0:09:54.800 --> 0:09:56.040 You know, certainly does with us. 0:09:57.000 --> 0:09:57.160 Right. 0:09:57.760 --> 0:09:59.880 So, I mean when you were saying about how this 0:10:00.400 --> 0:10:02.280 it was to say so and so bought so and 0:10:02.320 --> 0:10:03.880 so I was going to make a joke, but then 0:10:03.920 --> 0:10:06.360 I thought, really, wasn't probably very funny. But you know, 0:10:06.480 --> 0:10:08.319 well that makes me feel bad as a white person, 0:10:08.360 --> 0:10:10.720 because that's the whole thing. Four little white people feel 0:10:10.760 --> 0:10:12.920 bad about something that happened to a thousand years ago. Well, 0:10:12.920 --> 0:10:16.040 how about black people feeling bad about what's happening today. 0:10:16.160 --> 0:10:17.320 You know that's not allowed. 0:10:19.400 --> 0:10:21.680 And you know, on top of that, it feels bad 0:10:21.720 --> 0:10:26.080 to read that a baby was a slave, you know, 0:10:26.200 --> 0:10:27.960 and I have to read that every day, and so 0:10:28.320 --> 0:10:30.800 you know, I know that to be fair is we 0:10:30.920 --> 0:10:33.360 recognize that there's all types that listen to the show. 0:10:34.520 --> 0:10:39.040 This is hard content to deal with. And we you 0:10:39.160 --> 0:10:42.000 and I we come into this room every week, eyes 0:10:42.080 --> 0:10:46.320 wide open, just out and we jump into this pit, 0:10:46.679 --> 0:10:50.200 yes and way through it all. And we're brave enough 0:10:50.240 --> 0:10:51.840 to do that. And we're not better or worse than 0:10:51.840 --> 0:10:56.000 anyone else. And when we bring up these points that, 0:10:56.240 --> 0:10:58.000 you know, it'd be one thing if I'm talking to 0:10:58.040 --> 0:11:04.280 a white person for them to feel bad about that 0:11:04.559 --> 0:11:09.400 having been what they inherited. But to those people, I say, 0:11:09.520 --> 0:11:14.320 imagine what it feels like reading that about your ancestors, Like, yeah, 0:11:14.360 --> 0:11:16.400 this is this is my start. I didn't come on 0:11:16.440 --> 0:11:19.720 the Mayflower. I didn't come you know I wasn't you know, 0:11:19.760 --> 0:11:25.160 I came in chains, you know, like what worth is 0:11:25.200 --> 0:11:26.240 your life with value? 0:11:26.559 --> 0:11:29.960 But the answer to I feel bad is then do 0:11:30.080 --> 0:11:34.079 something fixed boom, Then take in action and do something. 0:11:34.480 --> 0:11:36.599 You know, this is important to say. I want to 0:11:36.640 --> 0:11:38.800 say this because you know, we do a show that 0:11:38.880 --> 0:11:41.440 has a clock and time runs out, and this needs 0:11:41.480 --> 0:11:44.120 to be said where other people can hear it. I 0:11:44.200 --> 0:11:50.760 have become grossly disenfranchised and discouraged with the political climate 0:11:50.800 --> 0:11:53.640 of our country and what is going on with our 0:11:53.720 --> 0:11:57.640 leaders and our legislators. And the sad part is I 0:11:57.640 --> 0:12:00.480 don't often enough get to hear voices like Diane. This 0:12:00.559 --> 0:12:03.400 is why we celebrate you so much, because we can 0:12:03.440 --> 0:12:08.240 easily forget that you exist exist, that people that think 0:12:08.320 --> 0:12:11.560 like you exist, because we get amplification of the other 0:12:11.640 --> 0:12:16.520 side on every network that my television has. Even those 0:12:16.559 --> 0:12:20.319 who used to be centered or left leaning are starting 0:12:20.360 --> 0:12:23.480 to now all sound the same and it's terrifying. My 0:12:23.640 --> 0:12:26.920 family has started to look at places where you know, 0:12:27.320 --> 0:12:30.320 black people have expat and moved from this country to 0:12:30.360 --> 0:12:33.040 go live elsewhere, because it's starting to feel scary and 0:12:33.240 --> 0:12:36.280 dangerous here. So you forget that there are people in 0:12:36.320 --> 0:12:39.920 this country, who have a heart and who have no 0:12:40.120 --> 0:12:43.120 how and who are learned and who are organized, and 0:12:43.160 --> 0:12:47.079 who are taking steps to give us a better place 0:12:47.120 --> 0:12:49.600 to live, you know, and we're talking about I know, 0:12:49.600 --> 0:12:52.960 we're going to be talking about you know, affirmative action 0:12:53.080 --> 0:12:56.800 and DEI and just you know, control taking control back 0:12:56.840 --> 0:12:59.800 from our government here coming up. And if I'm a 0:12:59.840 --> 0:13:04.800 live out to segue to those topics, Yes, our Supreme 0:13:04.880 --> 0:13:09.959 Court was stacked very heavily by the last president, very intentionally, 0:13:10.600 --> 0:13:13.280 and they are now attempting to do things that will 0:13:13.280 --> 0:13:19.280 make them the all unilateral power, where we no longer 0:13:19.320 --> 0:13:21.800 have to be consulted in, where Congress no longer has 0:13:21.800 --> 0:13:26.240 a say soul. How terrifying is that for someone like yourself, 0:13:26.280 --> 0:13:29.240 who understands it a lot better than a layman like me, 0:13:30.120 --> 0:13:33.560 to see that our political leaders are exploiting their power 0:13:34.200 --> 0:13:40.400 to take control and put their constituents under their thumb. 0:13:40.600 --> 0:13:42.520 Well, let me give you a little positive on that. 0:13:43.480 --> 0:13:47.440 The Supreme Court has no power, but what we give it. 0:13:48.520 --> 0:13:51.360 They don't have an army, they don't have any way 0:13:51.400 --> 0:13:56.360 to enforce their rulings except that we believe them. So 0:13:56.640 --> 0:13:59.960 in some ways they are legless. You know, they're supposed 0:13:59.960 --> 0:14:02.840 to be three legs of the government, right, the legislative, 0:14:03.120 --> 0:14:07.400 the judicial, and the pizza, you know, the executive and 0:14:07.800 --> 0:14:10.679 so they but they don't have any leg because they 0:14:10.720 --> 0:14:13.360 got nobody but the executive or the Congress to enforce 0:14:13.400 --> 0:14:16.199 what they say. Let me give you an example. I'm 0:14:16.200 --> 0:14:18.600 sure you all know the dread Scott decision, right Well, 0:14:18.840 --> 0:14:20.760 I just finished writing a two part thing on how 0:14:20.760 --> 0:14:24.080 the Supreme Court has worked to undermine the first reconstruction 0:14:24.200 --> 0:14:27.480 and the second reconstruction, and they have. There was only 0:14:27.880 --> 0:14:32.160 a short period of time under the the one court 0:14:32.200 --> 0:14:35.040 where I've got his name, where Brown versus Board of 0:14:35.120 --> 0:14:38.680 Education happened during that twenty years there when good cases 0:14:38.680 --> 0:14:40.800 happened in the Supreme Court leaned on the side of 0:14:41.080 --> 0:14:43.720 African Americans. There's only that time. All the rest of 0:14:43.720 --> 0:14:46.640 the time they have tried to destroy whatever was done 0:14:46.760 --> 0:14:50.200 for African Americans in this country. But after the dread 0:14:50.200 --> 0:14:53.280 Scott decision, in which the Supreme Court said black people 0:14:53.400 --> 0:14:55.480 have no rights which white people have to pay any 0:14:55.480 --> 0:14:58.360 attention to, and they cannot vote, they cannot do anything, 0:14:58.360 --> 0:15:01.440 they can't be citizens, They'll never be anything. Right, Abraham 0:15:01.480 --> 0:15:04.560 Lincoln and the rest of them ignored them. They just 0:15:04.680 --> 0:15:07.760 ignored them. So that's what you do. You ignore the 0:15:07.800 --> 0:15:11.160 Supreme Court with the rulings about DEEI and affirmative action, 0:15:11.480 --> 0:15:16.239 they're just being ignored. Rather than stopping it, we're just shifting. 0:15:16.560 --> 0:15:18.600 When you meet a mountain, what do you do? You 0:15:18.680 --> 0:15:20.480 go over it, or you go around it, or you 0:15:20.600 --> 0:15:22.560 go through it. You do one of the three things. 0:15:22.800 --> 0:15:25.680 So we're just going around it. So instead of saying, Okay, 0:15:25.720 --> 0:15:28.000 we're going to go and recruit black kids, we're going 0:15:28.040 --> 0:15:30.200 to say, Okay, we're going to go to an economically 0:15:31.120 --> 0:15:34.920 vulnerable community, or we're going to go to a rural community, 0:15:35.800 --> 0:15:37.720 or we're going to look for kids who have talent 0:15:37.800 --> 0:15:40.000 in this or that or the other. There are I mean, 0:15:40.000 --> 0:15:45.359 there's all kinds of trainings that I've received and documents 0:15:45.400 --> 0:15:48.000 that I've read about how to get around this. You 0:15:48.320 --> 0:15:50.680 just go around them and you double down. 0:15:50.760 --> 0:15:51.200 You know what. 0:15:51.680 --> 0:15:54.720 I want to take this moment to shout out of 0:15:54.760 --> 0:15:58.640 all people, Mark Cuban, because I read something this might 0:15:58.680 --> 0:15:59.520 have been yesterday. 0:16:00.120 --> 0:16:01.560 Those that know I do a show. 0:16:01.960 --> 0:16:06.080 We do a show for the Black Information Network, We 0:16:06.120 --> 0:16:10.600 do the Daily Podcast, and we covered well I didn't 0:16:10.680 --> 0:16:12.600 cover this story, but I read it and it was 0:16:13.480 --> 0:16:18.000 in Box Business Journal or whatever. But Mark Cuban was 0:16:18.040 --> 0:16:19.040 doing that very thing. 0:16:19.120 --> 0:16:19.360 Yep. 0:16:19.520 --> 0:16:22.440 Yeah, and he's actually they're trying to suggest that he 0:16:22.520 --> 0:16:25.080 might get in trouble for that, but he seems to 0:16:25.280 --> 0:16:26.600 not really care. 0:16:27.240 --> 0:16:29.520 I mean, the hiring of Cynthia Marshall made that clear 0:16:29.600 --> 0:16:32.960 that the first black female CEO in the history of 0:16:32.960 --> 0:16:35.560 the NBA was hired by Mark Cuban. Yep. So he's 0:16:35.600 --> 0:16:37.160 actively doing that. 0:16:36.560 --> 0:16:38.200 Don't just go around it. 0:16:38.200 --> 0:16:40.520 It's not just that an idea for him. He's he's 0:16:40.600 --> 0:16:41.200 it's kinetic. 0:16:41.440 --> 0:16:43.960 And what Lincoln did back then after the Judge's cop 0:16:43.960 --> 0:16:46.680 decision was and in the North, not just Lincoln, but 0:16:46.920 --> 0:16:48.880 other states in the North, they gave blacks a right 0:16:48.920 --> 0:16:52.200 to vote. They ran for office, and they got into office, 0:16:52.520 --> 0:16:55.320 and they just treated them as if that decision had 0:16:55.360 --> 0:16:57.680 never happened. And that's what we need to do. It's 0:16:57.680 --> 0:17:01.080 the same thing with abortion. So they say, well, I 0:17:01.080 --> 0:17:03.040 don't need one, but you know I can't have an abortion. 0:17:03.360 --> 0:17:05.480 You just go ahead and do it anyway, you find 0:17:05.520 --> 0:17:08.240 another way to do it. Women have always had abortions 0:17:08.240 --> 0:17:11.399 and they always will have abortions. One way or another. 0:17:12.520 --> 0:17:15.399 So the Supreme Court isn't really all that powerful. Now, 0:17:15.400 --> 0:17:17.439 you know, there are many moves to increase the numbers 0:17:17.480 --> 0:17:20.160 of people on the Supreme Court. So that's one thing, 0:17:20.240 --> 0:17:22.480 of course, if the er if you tried that and 0:17:22.520 --> 0:17:25.000 it didn't work, but that doesn't mean it can't ever work. 0:17:25.240 --> 0:17:28.520 But there seem to be corporations and organizations that were 0:17:28.560 --> 0:17:30.920 waiting for the Supreme Court to do something like that, 0:17:30.960 --> 0:17:33.639 to give them permission, yes, to be racist again. 0:17:33.400 --> 0:17:36.240 Absolutely absolutely, well. You do know, down at the legislature, 0:17:36.280 --> 0:17:38.320 not only in the United States, not only in Arizona, 0:17:38.359 --> 0:17:40.800 but around the country, bills are being introduced by the 0:17:40.840 --> 0:17:45.359 Republican Party to prohibit banks, financial institutions, and anybody who 0:17:45.440 --> 0:17:50.440 contracts with the state using social scores social or environmental 0:17:50.560 --> 0:17:54.160 scores as a determinant of whether to give loans or 0:17:54.359 --> 0:17:56.679 you know, how big of a loan or whatever. Those 0:17:56.880 --> 0:18:00.120 quote social or environmental scores are things that we've developed 0:18:00.119 --> 0:18:03.960 over years to see how how decent is the corporation. Basically, 0:18:03.960 --> 0:18:07.760 you know, are they hiring you know, child labor and 0:18:08.160 --> 0:18:11.679 prison labor and following the environmental rules and you know 0:18:11.720 --> 0:18:13.400 that sort of thing, and then their score is higher 0:18:13.400 --> 0:18:17.720 and higher, so in fact, those companies do better financially 0:18:18.040 --> 0:18:21.159 than the ones who are dirty companies. But yet the 0:18:21.200 --> 0:18:24.719 state must have prohibit anybody from contracting with those companies 0:18:24.760 --> 0:18:27.439 because they don't want the DEI scores. But they're not 0:18:27.480 --> 0:18:28.679 going to win this battle. 0:18:29.280 --> 0:18:31.679 They want to pretend that there's a meritocracy right, there 0:18:31.760 --> 0:18:34.280 is welfare and the best people will come out on top. 0:18:34.320 --> 0:18:35.400 And we know that that's just not. 0:18:35.359 --> 0:18:36.640 The game, absolutely not the game. 0:18:36.680 --> 0:18:38.440 One of the things I think to your point, Q, 0:18:38.600 --> 0:18:41.160 one of the things that I think further illuminates that 0:18:42.160 --> 0:18:46.000 is when we did the the what was it, the 0:18:46.000 --> 0:18:51.360 skewed Monopoly, yes, the warped Monopoly example, where in short, 0:18:52.080 --> 0:18:55.040 we started a game of monopoly, and Q and I 0:18:55.080 --> 0:18:57.560 got to go first, and you, our listener, had to 0:18:57.600 --> 0:19:02.000 wait a few turns while we made our purchases. We 0:19:02.040 --> 0:19:06.480 got two hundred dollars, well exactly, and then but after 0:19:06.720 --> 0:19:09.879 we after we went around the board four times or whatever, 0:19:09.920 --> 0:19:13.119 we call that period slavery. You could participate, but you 0:19:13.160 --> 0:19:15.280 could only collect one hundred dollars from passing go. 0:19:15.440 --> 0:19:17.560 You could not buy any property. Blah blah blah. 0:19:17.560 --> 0:19:20.639 That was your reality for the first three turns around 0:19:20.640 --> 0:19:24.520 the board. And then after that then you were able 0:19:24.520 --> 0:19:28.399 to get you know what is it community chess and 0:19:28.440 --> 0:19:29.320 those sorts of things. 0:19:30.400 --> 0:19:31.000 And then. 0:19:32.600 --> 0:19:37.240 We decided, okay, so what we can do now is 0:19:37.280 --> 0:19:41.600 play the game fair, right, meaning you can do everything 0:19:41.640 --> 0:19:43.080 that we can do. You can get two hundred dollars 0:19:43.119 --> 0:19:46.280 when you can roll with both dice, right, will you 0:19:46.359 --> 0:19:49.159 win that game? If we have already been going around 0:19:49.200 --> 0:19:51.640 building wealth, we own all the properties, all the houses, 0:19:51.640 --> 0:19:53.720 we own all the railroads, everything like that. Now we 0:19:53.840 --> 0:19:56.359 say you can play the game fair, will you win? 0:19:56.400 --> 0:19:58.359 Do you even have a chance of being competitive? And 0:19:58.359 --> 0:20:00.840 of course the answer isn't it no. But if we 0:20:00.920 --> 0:20:04.639 put in, if we build in to the game that 0:20:04.840 --> 0:20:07.720 maybe you can roll twice in a row for however long, 0:20:07.840 --> 0:20:09.560 or maybe you can we'll start you off with a 0:20:09.560 --> 0:20:14.080 few houses, or maybe we'll you know whatever, whatever elements 0:20:14.119 --> 0:20:17.040 will inject into the game to make you a minimum competitive. 0:20:17.480 --> 0:20:21.000 Would you prefer that or would you prefer to play 0:20:21.040 --> 0:20:23.200 the game fair? And I know that your answer would 0:20:23.200 --> 0:20:26.320 be I would prefer to have some sort of restorative 0:20:27.400 --> 0:20:29.560 justice so that I can at least be competitive here 0:20:29.800 --> 0:20:31.520 that I think that that sums it up. 0:20:31.440 --> 0:20:33.480 And people would think that we were ridiculous if we 0:20:33.600 --> 0:20:34.400 argued against it. 0:20:34.640 --> 0:20:39.040 Right, you guys clearly started the game four moves ahead 0:20:39.040 --> 0:20:39.760 of put right. 0:20:40.080 --> 0:20:43.680 Absolutely, But yet it's fair for me to start now 0:20:43.720 --> 0:20:46.000 after my legs have been untied and my arms have 0:20:46.000 --> 0:20:47.320 been untied. Now I can race you. 0:20:47.440 --> 0:20:49.920