WEBVTT - Ep. 268: Render - Always Pick the Head Wound

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<v Speaker 1>My name is Clay Nukleman.

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<v Speaker 2>This is a production of the bear Grease podcast called

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<v Speaker 2>The Bear Grease Render where we render down, dive deeper,

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<v Speaker 2>and look behind the scenes of the actual bear Grease

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<v Speaker 2>podcast presented by f h F Gear, American Maid, purpose

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<v Speaker 2>built hunting and fishing gear that's designed to be as

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<v Speaker 2>rugged as the place.

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<v Speaker 1>As we explore, we have got a lot to cover today,

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<v Speaker 1>Fellas and lady.

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<v Speaker 2>We've put off a very important thing that needs to

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<v Speaker 2>happen in the bear grease world that hadn't happened in

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<v Speaker 2>a long time. We're not doing it today, but I

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<v Speaker 2>want to talk about it today.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's so important that we have to plan this

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<v Speaker 1>and I want, I want.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh, Well, there's a couple of reasons why we haven't

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<v Speaker 2>done it yet, but it's it's going to be spurred

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<v Speaker 2>on by this picture. This is a picture of Granny Henderson.

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<v Speaker 2>This These are the photos that were in National Geographic

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<v Speaker 2>in nineteen seventy seven.

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<v Speaker 3>I looked those up after you mentioned them.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and so I had these frame to put here

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<v Speaker 2>in the in the office.

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<v Speaker 1>But in the next month we're going.

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<v Speaker 2>To do a bear Grease induction into the Hall of Fame.

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<v Speaker 2>There's not been a not I'm not saying she's going

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<v Speaker 2>to be on it.

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<v Speaker 4>She should be.

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<v Speaker 5>She it's just I smell a nomination.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, there there might be a little foreshadowy in there.

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<v Speaker 2>But think about the last time we did an induction

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<v Speaker 2>was at least a year and.

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<v Speaker 1>A half ago.

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<v Speaker 2>Brand because yeah, because when you have a Hall of Fame,

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<v Speaker 2>you can't just let every little TICKI tack Joe Schmoe

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<v Speaker 2>you talk about be in the Hall of Fame.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, like somebody passes away or if you retire from baseball,

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<v Speaker 6>is like five years before you can vote on them

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<v Speaker 6>going in. So it's not emotional. Emotional, you got to

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<v Speaker 6>look at the merit, right.

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<v Speaker 2>So, so it's been a long time and we're actually

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<v Speaker 2>gonna we're building a plaque that's gonna have brass plates

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<v Speaker 2>on it. It's gonna say Bear Grease Hall of Fame.

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<v Speaker 6>Like this one that says my name.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and it's gonna have all the inducteems for five years.

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<v Speaker 2>It's gonna have inductees and under the inductee's name, I

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<v Speaker 2>would like to put the years they were alive and

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<v Speaker 2>if they're still alive today, which we have multiple Bargrease

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<v Speaker 2>Hall of Famers that are still alive today.

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<v Speaker 1>You know we'll leave that open. We won't.

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<v Speaker 2>James Lawrence, Roy Clark, Warner Glenn, who's like eighty nine

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<v Speaker 2>I think now still will still ranching, still.

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<v Speaker 1>Ranching down there. So but I want you to be

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<v Speaker 1>thinking about it.

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<v Speaker 2>So, Brent, I want you to be thinking about I'll

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<v Speaker 2>tell you where we stopped. We stopped when we got

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<v Speaker 2>to Davy Crockett. So the members of the current members

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<v Speaker 2>of the Bear Grease Hall of Fame, just so you

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<v Speaker 2>kind of get the idea of who's in it is.

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<v Speaker 2>Daniel Boone. James Lawrence was actually the first. I'm going

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<v Speaker 2>to call James Lawrence the first. James is my friend

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<v Speaker 2>in Arkansas backwoodsman still alive, Roy Clark, who is a

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<v Speaker 2>plot breeder, bear hunter extraordinariy over in East Tennessee.

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<v Speaker 1>Roy Clark.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't even want to tell people how many bears

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<v Speaker 2>he's been responsible for killing, not because it's illegal, because

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<v Speaker 2>like when you hear about like like guys killing you know,

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<v Speaker 2>like five hundred bears in their lifetime.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I can tell you that Roy Clarks killed a

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<v Speaker 1>lot more than that.

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<v Speaker 2>That was within like two weeks ago and I asked

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<v Speaker 2>him and another guy that was with us, and they.

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<v Speaker 1>Didn't even have a number.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's not it's not just ones that he pulled

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<v Speaker 2>the trigger on, but participated in.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and his dog's treat. So okay, I'm sorry.

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<v Speaker 2>Daniel Boone, Roy Clark, James, Lawrence Warner, Glenn Frederick Gerstacker,

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<v Speaker 2>the the Arkansas well, he was a German bear hunter

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<v Speaker 2>came to Arkansas, yeaher and Gershtalker was the first, well,

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<v Speaker 2>the fourth. The third episode of bear Grease was called

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<v Speaker 2>Death of a Bear Hunter. People still talk about that.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the one Joe Rogan talked about. Yeah, and uh,

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<v Speaker 2>and it was all about Frederick Gerstchuker and so Gershtalker.

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<v Speaker 2>One that you may have forgotten but is very well

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<v Speaker 2>deserved is or a Lee Provence.

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<v Speaker 6>Oh gosh, I did forget.

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<v Speaker 2>He passed away a month after I interviewed him, at

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<v Speaker 2>the age of ninety two. And he killed the two

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<v Speaker 2>bucks in nineteen sixty six that scored in the one

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<v Speaker 2>eighties in the ozarks On public land. And he was

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<v Speaker 2>just a he'llbilly but but just like I just loved

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<v Speaker 2>him and just it was just the epitome like, I'll

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<v Speaker 2>never meet anybody in my lifetime that was more from

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<v Speaker 2>another era.

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<v Speaker 6>Wasn't he the one that pointed you towards.

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<v Speaker 2>Guards, right, He's the one who told me where he

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<v Speaker 2>believed Erskine was Firskin And I want to I'm kind

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<v Speaker 2>of weaving.

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<v Speaker 6>You know.

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<v Speaker 1>Donald Trump does the weave. They say that's what he

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<v Speaker 1>said when he.

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<v Speaker 6>Talked, Well, no, no, he the tapestry.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, yeah, there's a new thing that he's so

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<v Speaker 2>I'm kind of doing that. But Orley Provence when me

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<v Speaker 2>and Mo Shepherd basically communicated with him, he said, I'll

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<v Speaker 2>tell you where it is, but don't tell anybody else

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<v Speaker 2>because there's a place that or hunted. It was like

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<v Speaker 2>a good hunting spot. And so I said, great, I

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<v Speaker 2>won't tell anybody where it's at. And we made that

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<v Speaker 2>promise and I've held that promise. People asked me all

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<v Speaker 2>the time where it's at, even to the point of

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<v Speaker 2>someone writing a book wanted to include it as a

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<v Speaker 2>destination in this like American big American book of Destinations

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<v Speaker 2>and was going to do this big rite up on

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<v Speaker 2>it and it was going to be like a big deal.

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<v Speaker 2>And they came to me and were certain that I

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<v Speaker 2>would tell them where it was based upon the project,

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<v Speaker 2>how about the.

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<v Speaker 1>News, And.

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<v Speaker 5>I just said, and take a left.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I just said, I said, I promised a dead

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<v Speaker 2>man that I was not going to tell him. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe if I could go back and negotiate with him,

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<v Speaker 2>like I could, but I said.

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<v Speaker 5>You're bound to secrecy for the rest, I will.

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<v Speaker 1>Tell where it's at, so that province is in there.

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<v Speaker 7>And he also I think one of the most interesting

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<v Speaker 7>things about Or is he got drafted. His number came

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<v Speaker 7>up in the draft, and his brothers had already gone

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<v Speaker 7>to war, but he his preacher wrote a letter and

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<v Speaker 7>asked if they could wait till after the tomato crop

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<v Speaker 7>came in, because his dad had died and his brothers

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<v Speaker 7>were all at the war and they needed someone to

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<v Speaker 7>help his mom with a tomato crop. So they gave

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<v Speaker 7>him a deferral. And the war ended in September and

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<v Speaker 7>he was supposed to go in October.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and he did.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah. I remember that man.

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<v Speaker 1>He he was the.

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<v Speaker 2>Youngest son, and his brothers were at war and his

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<v Speaker 2>father died. Yeah, And so it wasn't like he was

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<v Speaker 2>trying to get out of going like he was.

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<v Speaker 1>He wanted to go.

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<v Speaker 2>But they but they needed a man there to help

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<v Speaker 2>with the family, you know.

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<v Speaker 6>And and im we raised tomatas man. I really had

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<v Speaker 6>to thought about that go to war.

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<v Speaker 1>You think was probably like, yeah, he's like.

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<v Speaker 2>A story that stands out in my mind that or

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<v Speaker 2>he told me was he said one day he and

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<v Speaker 2>his brother were coon hunting out here in the ozarks

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<v Speaker 2>and his brother they had guns and were coon hunting,

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<v Speaker 2>and he said they saw a lantern out in the

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<v Speaker 2>woods and they kind of start walking towards it and

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<v Speaker 2>then and there's this bright light shining and uh, and

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<v Speaker 2>they start hollering at.

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<v Speaker 1>The light, like, hey, who are you?

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<v Speaker 6>What's going on?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, this is way out where nobody should be

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<v Speaker 2>and and he said the person wouldn't answer, and he

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<v Speaker 2>said his brother was like, if you don't tell me

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<v Speaker 2>who you are, I'm gonna shoot your light. Like they

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<v Speaker 2>were going to like shoot at the light, which is

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<v Speaker 2>like not a great idea, and uh, I'd have to

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<v Speaker 2>go back and listen to see if he actually shot

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<v Speaker 2>the light. But it ended up being the reflection of

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<v Speaker 2>the moon in a small pool of water that they didn't.

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<v Speaker 6>Know was there.

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<v Speaker 2>I remember him, I remember him saying that, So, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>where are we at. We've been weaving, We've we've we've

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<v Speaker 2>got James Lawrence, Roy Clark. Uh no, no, no, no, we

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<v Speaker 2>hadn't talked about.

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<v Speaker 5>You got a couple more than Warner Glen uh Cumsa.

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<v Speaker 2>T Cumsa, Sean Eleander Comsa, Holt Collier, which was the

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<v Speaker 2>Mississippi Bear Hunter killed three thousand bears guided Teddy Roosevelt.

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<v Speaker 1>People talk about that episode all the time and.

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<v Speaker 5>One of my personal favorites George mcgonkin.

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<v Speaker 1>And George mcjenkin who discovered this.

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<v Speaker 6>George the last one or was the last one?

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<v Speaker 5>I think Tacumsa was the last one.

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<v Speaker 1>To Compsa was the last one. So that was a

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<v Speaker 1>year and a half ago.

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<v Speaker 2>So I'm just gonna throw out a few names of

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<v Speaker 2>people that have been on. We've had a Davy Crockett

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<v Speaker 2>episode since.

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<v Speaker 3>That was going to be my nomination.

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<v Speaker 2>We've had We've had a Granny Henderson, We've had a

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<v Speaker 2>Barry Tarleton over in East Tennessee, the Moonshine and uh

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<v Speaker 2>Constable that had the big line of plots.

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<v Speaker 4>So are you making nominations?

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<v Speaker 2>Are you?

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<v Speaker 6>Well?

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<v Speaker 2>Once we get the regulars, we're gonna get dad back

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<v Speaker 2>up here, Gary Neukomb, and we have all the regulars here.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna put it on the table for nominations.

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<v Speaker 7>But you're kind of you're kind of hinting right now,

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<v Speaker 7>hinting yet who you want us to.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I don't know, No, I mean need discuss this.

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<v Speaker 2>We need to discuss this, because we really need to

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<v Speaker 2>discuss like, what are the qualities of a Burger's Hall

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<v Speaker 2>of Fame?

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<v Speaker 6>Well, does it have to be someone that is that

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<v Speaker 6>we've thought there's been an episode on Oh yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, it's got I mean, that's that. That is

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<v Speaker 2>a qualification.

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<v Speaker 7>Just have like a friend from high school, that Joe Dalton.

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<v Speaker 6>He was a good buddy squirrel.

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<v Speaker 2>You sure liked the podcast. I think we put him

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<v Speaker 2>in the hall. That's That's so Berger's Hall Fame coming up.

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<v Speaker 2>This is serious, Okay, the oh I was gonna I

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<v Speaker 2>was gonna tell everybody. You remember Miles Malone from the

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<v Speaker 2>Deer Stories episode the the branch full of acrons fell

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<v Speaker 2>in front of his camera and he was checking his

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<v Speaker 2>camera going out there to yeah camera Moultrie, Uh, Moultrie

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<v Speaker 2>sent him a camera in like a year's worth of

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<v Speaker 2>sell you your plan I wouldn't have to go, so

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<v Speaker 2>he would have known that that buck was there before that. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>Altrie listened to that and they were like this this

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<v Speaker 2>this guy.

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<v Speaker 1>We got this guy. They sent him a camera, which

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<v Speaker 1>which I thought was cool. I thought it was very cool.

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<v Speaker 6>Man.

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<v Speaker 1>We're gonna let me introduce our guests, Miss Newclem.

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<v Speaker 2>So great to have you. It's been a while since

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<v Speaker 2>you've been here. Where have you been?

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<v Speaker 4>Just I just know y'all keep the a c on.

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<v Speaker 1>We're trying to get it cool in here. It's good

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<v Speaker 1>to see it.

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<v Speaker 2>It's good to be I want to talk to you

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<v Speaker 2>about the Japanese study that I mentioned earlier. Brent Reeves.

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<v Speaker 2>Always great to have you. And Brent spent a week

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<v Speaker 2>down in Venice, Louisiana.

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<v Speaker 1>I was a little you should have been there.

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<v Speaker 6>It was good.

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<v Speaker 5>That was you Any fly fishing, No it's not not.

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<v Speaker 5>B redfish would be awesome.

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<v Speaker 6>Anyway you want to catch those things. It's fun. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 6>it was.

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<v Speaker 1>It was fun.

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<v Speaker 6>It was fun.

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<v Speaker 5>I did eat some of that fish.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, what I tell you what I Yeah, I'll tell

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<v Speaker 2>you what I learned down there.

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<v Speaker 1>Brent good.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, I was wondering because I'm not.

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<v Speaker 4>A big fish eater.

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<v Speaker 7>I hate it, Yeah, I hate it.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, listen, this is after a week of being

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<v Speaker 2>in Venice. I love it down there. It's like a

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<v Speaker 2>it's like a gritty Florida.

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<v Speaker 5>Like Venice, the gritty Florida.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>But one thing I did learn is that the you

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<v Speaker 2>feel like the culture in the South is really hospitable

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<v Speaker 2>and very nice and like like.

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<v Speaker 4>Gentleman an entire state.

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<v Speaker 1>Well I'm not. I'm not. These people are the nicest

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<v Speaker 1>people you've ever met in your life.

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<v Speaker 2>But to the ear of a lot of this country,

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<v Speaker 2>they would be rude.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not alienating.

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<v Speaker 6>Don't look at me, Paul, I don't know you.

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<v Speaker 1>No, no, no, no.

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<v Speaker 2>Let me give you an example. We walked into a

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<v Speaker 2>restaurant and there's this lady there that we know, and

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<v Speaker 2>I know that lady is pumped that we're down there,

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<v Speaker 2>and she's like our best friend. And we walk in

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<v Speaker 2>the restaurant and she immediately is like, now you' aren't

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<v Speaker 2>gonna just sit anywhere you want. You are all going

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<v Speaker 2>to have to sit together right here.

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<v Speaker 6>That but it wasn't rude. It was grandmother me. Well,

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<v Speaker 6>but said the same thing. Get your elballs off the table.

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<v Speaker 6>Before I knock them before I break your arm, right,

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<v Speaker 6>and you know that she loved you, but she probably

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<v Speaker 6>would break you ar.

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<v Speaker 1>I just felt like there was a trend.

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<v Speaker 7>You would not break Clayson. I don't think she'd threaten.

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<v Speaker 7>But yeah, we probably the world.

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<v Speaker 6>I think.

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<v Speaker 2>I think there's a trend. If this is actually a

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<v Speaker 2>compliment to them, it's not. It's not a dig even remotely,

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<v Speaker 2>but they there's a there's a trend of being like

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<v Speaker 2>very direct and very antagonistic to people they like.

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<v Speaker 5>I get that.

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<v Speaker 6>I don't think it's antagonistic. I just it's just giving

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<v Speaker 6>you a hard time just the way it is.

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<v Speaker 5>I get that work.

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<v Speaker 4>Kind of like someone we know.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, No, I love it down there. I love those people.

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<v Speaker 1>Vince Verena as you go.

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<v Speaker 6>Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>Our real guest of the day is Kyle Man. You

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<v Speaker 1>are good. You're uh you're up in uh.

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<v Speaker 2>Northwest area you uh oh yeah, Kyle Kyle Carrol. He

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<v Speaker 2>he's a painter, yeah, and a retired game warden and

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<v Speaker 2>he painted too well.

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<v Speaker 5>Not retired, but former state trooper.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, retired state trooper. I retired as a trooper, was

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<v Speaker 3>most of the time was a game board most of

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<v Speaker 3>that career. But yeah, it's both as true. So yeah, reforming, reforming.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, what are you painting these days? Kyle?

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<v Speaker 3>Uh?

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<v Speaker 1>You know?

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<v Speaker 3>Actually the thing that's on the eastle that's been on

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<v Speaker 3>there for a month because I've been doing other stuff.

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<v Speaker 3>His Bear sent me a little shot. Remember last fall

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<v Speaker 3>when you were in that big rock house.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, with the the rock house. Yeah, and I

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<v Speaker 1>fire under.

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<v Speaker 3>I was trying to put a couple of long runners

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<v Speaker 3>in that little rock house. There's not much to work with,

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<v Speaker 3>but that's what school.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's a picture that Bear sent background.

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<v Speaker 2>Kyle also sent me a big buck. It was like

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<v Speaker 2>an eleven point mister October. Yeah, but that was incredible.

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<v Speaker 2>That was like a very realistic painting of a big buck.

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<v Speaker 2>What you could tell it was in October to just

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<v Speaker 2>by the way the l.

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<v Speaker 3>That's the trade.

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<v Speaker 6>Oh yeah you did.

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<v Speaker 3>You You got me this arrow that we've been trying

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<v Speaker 3>to get together on for that's the squirrel cookoff that's

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<v Speaker 3>in my truck. So I go a half mile back

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<v Speaker 3>to his truck and he's doing the clicker from there.

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<v Speaker 3>They won't open. I'm like, forget it, I'm going on.

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<v Speaker 3>So we finally got together on it.

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<v Speaker 4>So that is that a flintnet.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, this is.

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<v Speaker 1>It was just one that didn't really fly good. It

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<v Speaker 1>looks good, but it's.

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<v Speaker 6>For the students.

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<v Speaker 2>You're working on that back there. Yeah, I'm working on

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<v Speaker 2>an elmbow. I showed this last time, but I've made

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit of progress since. But I'm doing a

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<v Speaker 2>like a rounded belly on this one, so it'll be

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<v Speaker 2>a little different than most of the bows I make.

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<v Speaker 2>But I still hate working with ELM. The more the

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<v Speaker 2>more I work with this one, the more I realize

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<v Speaker 2>O Sages is king.

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<v Speaker 6>Yep.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, in course we have Josh and bear with us.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks here, Hey Misty, Okay, so did you hear my

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<v Speaker 2>description of the tell us about the So the first

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<v Speaker 2>Osseola podcast was basically Ostiola's childhood and I talked about

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<v Speaker 2>identity being really a powerful time for lifelong identity between

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<v Speaker 2>the ages of nine and thirteen. Oka describe that study

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<v Speaker 2>better than I did.

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<v Speaker 7>Well, Yeah, so that study and there have been some

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<v Speaker 7>studies that don't completely align with this, but that study

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<v Speaker 7>shows that they the Japanese government, you know, Japan and California.

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<v Speaker 7>There's there's a lot of people going back and forth,

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<v Speaker 7>traveling back and forth between Japan and California and probably

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<v Speaker 7>other parts of the of the US on the West coast.

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<v Speaker 7>And I think it was a Japanese government that basically

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<v Speaker 7>sponsored a study to or wanted to understand how people

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<v Speaker 7>maintain their sense of Japanese identity even if they even

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<v Speaker 7>if they travel, and whether or not they do.

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<v Speaker 4>And that particular.

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<v Speaker 7>Study that you quoted showed that the thing that determined

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<v Speaker 7>whether they did wasn't anything that you did in childhood,

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<v Speaker 7>but was the specific time period that they lived outside

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<v Speaker 7>of Japan. So if they lived in Japan, you know,

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<v Speaker 7>between the ages of zero and nine, but then moved

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<v Speaker 7>to the US, and then even if they came back

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<v Speaker 7>like after the age of fourteen, if they lived in

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<v Speaker 7>the US generally during that period of nine to thirteen,

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<v Speaker 7>that time period was significant in determining whether or not

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<v Speaker 7>they came back and said I'm an American or.

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<v Speaker 1>If they were in America during that time period that

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<v Speaker 1>they thought they were.

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<v Speaker 7>If they were there America, if they were there, if

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<v Speaker 7>they were in the US as as little kids and

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<v Speaker 7>then moved to Japan between the age of nineteen to thirteen,

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<v Speaker 7>they said I'm Japanese.

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<v Speaker 4>If they lived in the US.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I did a pretty good job of describing that

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<v Speaker 1>between nineteen So okay, so here's the question.

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<v Speaker 2>Where were you ka when you between the ages of

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<v Speaker 2>nine and thirteen running.

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<v Speaker 3>The hills of north west Missouri?

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<v Speaker 2>And then that produced kind of an exact lifelong identity.

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<v Speaker 7>And there's studies at Show and I think this is

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<v Speaker 7>kind of interesting and thinking about like someone running around

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<v Speaker 7>in the hills of northwest Missouri, the study of that

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<v Speaker 7>Japanese study, there's actually studies at show. Well that's not

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<v Speaker 7>exactly the case, but what's going on between the ages

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<v Speaker 7>of nine and thirteen is pretty important because that's that is.

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<v Speaker 1>Like a very well documented I mean, what's going on, what's.

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<v Speaker 4>Going on in the brain.

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<v Speaker 7>There's a well, very well documented process that Josh was.

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<v Speaker 6>The fourth grade.

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<v Speaker 7>They call it the brain all four years, all four years.

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<v Speaker 5>The fourth grade, a fourth grade, fourth fourth grade.

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<v Speaker 3>But you got it.

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<v Speaker 6>I'm so sorry.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, I have something very intelligent to share here.

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<v Speaker 7>We're talking about Josh and repetition of the fourth grade.

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<v Speaker 7>It's fictitious, right, I mean, you didn't even have it

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<v Speaker 7>all the great brain remodel, like that's what they are.

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<v Speaker 7>Maybe they don't call it the Great brain reymodel.

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<v Speaker 1>I call it.

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<v Speaker 7>They do call it brain remodeling, and it's basically, you know,

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<v Speaker 7>when you're a little kid, you just absorb everything. Like

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<v Speaker 7>you see, little kids can just pick up languages when

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<v Speaker 7>they go to other other places way easier than their

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<v Speaker 7>parents can. And that's because your brain is just absorbing everything. Well,

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<v Speaker 7>there's too much, like the brain can't handle for this

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<v Speaker 7>whole entire life, absorbing everything until around that time period

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<v Speaker 7>at the at the start of puberty or right before

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<v Speaker 7>kids start to.

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<v Speaker 1>Basically this show has kids listening to it, let's try

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<v Speaker 1>not to use.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, I heard some of the words, so they they

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<v Speaker 7>they start to prune out some of the those those

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<v Speaker 7>the brain starts to prune and basically what it uses

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<v Speaker 7>it really strengthens. It's like kind of the user lose

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<v Speaker 7>it time period. And of course the brain can change.

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<v Speaker 2>Kids using their hands if they're on a computer screen.

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<v Speaker 7>No language when they're five, but then move away from

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<v Speaker 7>a country and when you're twenty three, you're like, you

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<v Speaker 7>spoke that fluently when you were five. Well their brain

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<v Speaker 7>was like, yeah, we didn't really use that from the

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<v Speaker 7>age just nine to twenty five, so you know, not

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<v Speaker 7>important anymore. So it kind of prunes out what it

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<v Speaker 7>doesn't use, but it really strengthens what it does use.

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<v Speaker 7>So that's what is going on in middle school. You know,

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<v Speaker 7>for most Americans, they would be in middle school at

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<v Speaker 7>that time, but that age range, and so it's not

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<v Speaker 7>that you can't change after that, but it's just the

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<v Speaker 7>brain is kind of cleaning itself out and really honing.

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<v Speaker 3>In print and what's going on in their life too,

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<v Speaker 3>not just their skills. Like when when your guests talked

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<v Speaker 3>about Bonnie and Clyde, you know that outlaw part of it.

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<v Speaker 3>I immediately I'd already thought about Jesse James and his

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<v Speaker 3>nine to thirteen year old growing up and his dad

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<v Speaker 3>being hung in the barn and war and dying and

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<v Speaker 3>the you know, the all the stuff on the border,

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<v Speaker 3>and it's kind of a similar time period and what

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<v Speaker 3>then they're capable of. But then we somehow revere their

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<v Speaker 3>staying against you know that all that's tied up in that.

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<v Speaker 3>So I thought that I thought of that too when

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<v Speaker 3>the age the age thing.

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<v Speaker 1>After nine and thirteen prison wearing a pair overalls.

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<v Speaker 6>I was nine and thirteen. I was man, living life,

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<v Speaker 6>not wearing shoes and running amok. I mean I didn't.

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<v Speaker 2>That was the most what's still a little Brent Reeve

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<v Speaker 2>biopiece here years Okay, so nine would have been from

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<v Speaker 2>seventy five to nineteen seventy nine.

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<v Speaker 1>I was born in nineteen seventy nine.

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<v Speaker 6>I was hitting.

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<v Speaker 1>You could have been my father.

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<v Speaker 5>You were old enough.

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<v Speaker 1>That's not that's not true.

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<v Speaker 6>Your ground, oh man. I was hitting home runs at

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<v Speaker 6>the wide little league field. Hmm.

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<v Speaker 1>Did y'all know that Brent played like one season of

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<v Speaker 1>college football.

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<v Speaker 4>I didn't.

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<v Speaker 6>I did not know that. I didn't wear it was.

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<v Speaker 1>At least that's why I cover his backstory.

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<v Speaker 6>It was last year. It was Boise, Idaho. It's cold

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<v Speaker 6>Henderson State University.

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<v Speaker 1>You know that's where Gary Nuklan went to college.

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<v Speaker 6>I did. I saw a plaque. There's a rocket chair there,

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<v Speaker 6>just like this, got Gary Nictom's name here.

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<v Speaker 8>A lot of.

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<v Speaker 6>None of which the the that that formative time, especially

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<v Speaker 6>when she said that, when you've talked about that now,

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<v Speaker 6>I think about you know, I didn't have the I

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<v Speaker 6>had a wonderful childhood, but some children have issues, and

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<v Speaker 6>I can remember during that time having issues growing up,

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<v Speaker 6>behavioral issues where I was well, I wouldn't mean, I

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<v Speaker 6>was mischievous and that has I'm still that still the

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<v Speaker 6>same way, you know it was. I wasn't trying to

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<v Speaker 6>make anybody mad or hurt anybody, but I was playing,

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<v Speaker 6>which you know I played. I'm fifty eight years old

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<v Speaker 6>and I've interrupted you three times being a kid, that's right,

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<v Speaker 6>still being a kid, you know. So I see where

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<v Speaker 6>that has a lot of correlation. There's got to be

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<v Speaker 6>a lot of alidity to that, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>I think about the even.

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<v Speaker 2>And we talk about like recruiting kids into the outdoors

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<v Speaker 2>and like when to start, and there's a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>there's a lot of laws like in Arkansas, like you

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<v Speaker 2>can a kid can hunt when they're six years old,

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<v Speaker 2>actually hunt, but in a lot of other states they

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<v Speaker 2>can't even hunt until they're.

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<v Speaker 1>Like twelve, yeah, which which is surprising to me.

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<v Speaker 6>It was, but.

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<v Speaker 2>I think I was, yeah, six, and that was just

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<v Speaker 2>changed a few years ago. There was no law, and

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<v Speaker 2>I think like two year old started like checking in there.

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<v Speaker 6>Oh yeah, you'd see dear pictures of during youth weekend.

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<v Speaker 6>There's three year old sitting up.

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<v Speaker 1>There a big book.

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<v Speaker 4>Six month old can't hold its head up.

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<v Speaker 3>That's well the last book, Yeah, and you really can't

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<v Speaker 3>go interrogate a three year old. Yeah, nice buy.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, okay, so talking about hunting, and so I would

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<v Speaker 2>I would have been nine to thirteen, between like nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>eighty eight, nineteen ninety two or something, which was the

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<v Speaker 2>which was the beginning of the American whitetail industrial complex.

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<v Speaker 1>Just let that sink in for a minute.

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<v Speaker 6>You just make that up.

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<v Speaker 2>I've heard my friend Steve Vernelli say that phrase before,

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<v Speaker 2>but he's and I think he's the one that made

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<v Speaker 2>it up. But basically, when white tails became big business,

0:25:40.760 --> 0:25:44.879
<v Speaker 2>that's when it's not the North America white tail started

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<v Speaker 2>in like the late seventies, but in the nineties is

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<v Speaker 2>when it just like blew up. That's when that's when

0:25:50.400 --> 0:25:57.399
<v Speaker 2>videoso vhs. That's when Will Primos, Nightinghale, the Druris, Dan Fitzgerald,

0:25:58.119 --> 0:26:01.800
<v Speaker 2>all the people started coming on the scene. That's when

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<v Speaker 2>hunting TV started like blowing up more and so in

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<v Speaker 2>then in that period a time, like I just became

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<v Speaker 2>super infatuated with like watching all the stuff and hunting,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, and it just it almost feels like it

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<v Speaker 2>could it could never leave, you know.

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<v Speaker 7>But interesting, Yeah, it is kind of interesting if you

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<v Speaker 7>look at the all the guys like Bill Gates, Uh,

0:26:27.760 --> 0:26:30.879
<v Speaker 7>Steve Jobs, all the guys that got big in tech.

0:26:31.200 --> 0:26:33.720
<v Speaker 7>They had access to computers at that when they were

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<v Speaker 7>really young at their schools, and most schools didn't have

0:26:36.359 --> 0:26:37.960
<v Speaker 7>them at that age, and they were the ones that

0:26:38.000 --> 0:26:40.560
<v Speaker 7>went on, yeah, to be early developers. So it's kind

0:26:40.600 --> 0:26:44.440
<v Speaker 7>of like you guys with at that crucial period. But

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<v Speaker 7>but I think what's kind of cool about the human

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<v Speaker 7>brain is that you actually can still learn stuff even

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<v Speaker 7>if you didn't get exposed to at that period. It's

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<v Speaker 7>and thinking about Osceola, you know, he he was really

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<v Speaker 7>exposed to these these stories when he was younger, younger

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<v Speaker 7>than that time period. But it's not like everything when

0:27:02.240 --> 0:27:04.400
<v Speaker 7>you're younger goes away. It's just the things that are

0:27:04.440 --> 0:27:08.080
<v Speaker 7>not reinforced during that age period. And so it's clear

0:27:08.160 --> 0:27:10.280
<v Speaker 7>that that was a he was a big key figure

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<v Speaker 7>in his life even still through that time that that

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<v Speaker 7>kind of allowed him.

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<v Speaker 1>To Josh, let's do the trivia. Let's let's just jump

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<v Speaker 1>right into trivia.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, So I am not going to do well trivia.

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<v Speaker 2>I have some I have a few questions. Josh has

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<v Speaker 2>a few questions, but I'm not going to participate, but.

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<v Speaker 5>No, I want you to participate.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh you want me to participate? Okay, Well here's how

0:27:33.160 --> 0:27:33.760
<v Speaker 1>it's gonna work.

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<v Speaker 4>Is that even fair?

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<v Speaker 1>It's like Kevin, Yeah, I don't think it.

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<v Speaker 5>I don't think it's Well, maybe at least you you participate.

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<v Speaker 5>It's the last We're gonna get some boards so we

0:27:43.280 --> 0:27:47.680
<v Speaker 5>can write answers down because I don't like this everybody

0:27:47.720 --> 0:27:51.800
<v Speaker 5>just blurting things out where everybody can write, write something down.

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<v Speaker 5>So next, next, So so what are the rules?

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<v Speaker 1>Then let's very quickly. We don't need to belabor it.

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<v Speaker 5>Okay. What I want is I want for everybody to

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<v Speaker 5>answer and be honest. Don't just say it, okay, don't

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<v Speaker 5>change Yeah, don't change your answer as if you wrote

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<v Speaker 5>it down, and we'll just keep it keep track of

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<v Speaker 5>who gets.

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<v Speaker 3>So okay, I'm asking for Brent mostly, But what if

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<v Speaker 3>we don't have an answer, then I'm just saying, you know,

0:28:16.520 --> 0:28:18.159
<v Speaker 3>I'm not saying that I always pick c.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, okay, Josh, let's just move through pretty quick. Let's

0:28:22.840 --> 0:28:24.359
<v Speaker 2>not take a lot of a lot of time.

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<v Speaker 5>But okay, number one, when did the seminole Wars start

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<v Speaker 5>and end?

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<v Speaker 2>Bear ended in seventeen sixty three.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh gosh, that was the Prench in Indian War.

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<v Speaker 1>I remember when it started. Eight Okay, well he didn't

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<v Speaker 1>answer the whole question when they started.

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<v Speaker 3>In, Yeah, it did.

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<v Speaker 4>I think we got to raise our hand if we

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<v Speaker 4>know the answer.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, that'd be better.

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<v Speaker 6>Numbers. Yeah, okay, Brent, what is it eighteen seventeen? In

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<v Speaker 6>eighteen eighteen?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I mean that's when it started.

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<v Speaker 5>That's when it started.

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<v Speaker 6>When did it end? Oh eighteen twenty three? No, I don't,

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<v Speaker 6>I just forkid.

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<v Speaker 1>It started in?

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<v Speaker 2>There were a couple basically between eighteen seventeen and eighteen nineteen.

0:29:12.200 --> 0:29:14.480
<v Speaker 2>It started, but it ended in eighteen fifty eight.

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<v Speaker 6>I can start in eighteen seventeen eighteen, between eighteen.

0:29:18.400 --> 0:29:21.880
<v Speaker 2>Like there's like when it started. As actually you hear

0:29:21.920 --> 0:29:23.120
<v Speaker 2>people say to the.

0:29:23.120 --> 0:29:27.840
<v Speaker 5>Podcast, it started in eighteen seventeen ended eighteen. These are

0:29:27.880 --> 0:29:30.280
<v Speaker 5>all derived from the podcast. So we're going on, what

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<v Speaker 5>the number two? Raise your hand? If you know the answer,

0:29:35.120 --> 0:29:36.080
<v Speaker 5>howld old on, let me.

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<v Speaker 1>Let me let's let's let's yeah, let's go through this

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<v Speaker 1>pretty quick. It was already raised no, no, no, no, no.

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<v Speaker 5>Forty one year four forty one years.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, how long has the as the U

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<v Speaker 2>was the US in Afghanistan twenty twenty yep, I mean

0:29:53.560 --> 0:29:56.200
<v Speaker 2>world war World War one was four years, World War

0:29:56.240 --> 0:29:56.760
<v Speaker 2>two was.

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<v Speaker 1>Six, Vietnam was twelve or ten.

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<v Speaker 3>Who knows, depending on when you It.

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<v Speaker 6>Ended in seventy two, and it's kind of conjecture on

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<v Speaker 6>when it really started.

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<v Speaker 1>See that's just like the start. Yeah, but forty one

0:30:10.560 --> 0:30:15.000
<v Speaker 1>years of war, I mean that's like massive. That's okay,

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<v Speaker 1>all right, good job.

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<v Speaker 5>Question number two. Raise your hand if you know the answer.

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<v Speaker 5>How much were the seminole people paid for the twenty

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<v Speaker 5>eight million acres annexed by the US per acre? Nope,

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<v Speaker 5>not per acre. That's all I got that And that

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<v Speaker 5>answer was less than not a full So be honest

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<v Speaker 5>with your Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna go two hundred and twenty one thousand.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm a less than if you won't accept the lesson

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<v Speaker 3>a cent an acre.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, I think it was. I'm twenty one thousand, is

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<v Speaker 6>what I'm thinking in my head.

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<v Speaker 4>I was thinking two hundred and eighteen.

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<v Speaker 5>The answer is Baron Newcomb two hundred and.

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<v Speaker 2>So what was astonishing about that? And it's hard to

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<v Speaker 2>it's it's when you're talk about money from that far back,

0:31:05.200 --> 0:31:05.840
<v Speaker 2>it is hard.

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<v Speaker 1>Obviously it was going to be a lot less.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but they paid like a sixty third of a

0:31:13.920 --> 0:31:17.480
<v Speaker 2>cent per acre, which.

0:31:17.320 --> 0:31:19.760
<v Speaker 1>Even back which back then was not a lot of money.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah. No, here's a contrast. I got a podcast coming

0:31:23.640 --> 0:31:26.800
<v Speaker 6>out Friday. I don't know when this is coming out,

0:31:26.920 --> 0:31:29.320
<v Speaker 6>but anyway, on the one that I'm talking about, there's

0:31:29.360 --> 0:31:33.120
<v Speaker 6>a guy that tried to barter a section of land

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<v Speaker 6>for fourteen deer dogs. And you figured that out today.

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<v Speaker 6>It was over two hundred thousand dollars for fourteen dogs.

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<v Speaker 4>Wow wow.

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<v Speaker 6>And they gave those folks less than a cent wow

0:31:46.920 --> 0:31:47.840
<v Speaker 6>for an acre. Yeah.

0:31:47.840 --> 0:31:50.240
<v Speaker 3>And then then they renigged on that trick.

0:31:50.400 --> 0:31:53.080
<v Speaker 2>Yeah you know right, Oh yeah, yeah, that was that

0:31:53.240 --> 0:31:55.760
<v Speaker 2>was the astonishing part of that is that they they

0:31:55.760 --> 0:31:59.120
<v Speaker 2>made this, they made this treaty, which not all of

0:31:59.160 --> 0:32:03.360
<v Speaker 2>the Muskogie creeks, I mean they they didn't agree to it.

0:32:03.400 --> 0:32:05.200
<v Speaker 1>There were just some people there.

0:32:05.760 --> 0:32:06.840
<v Speaker 6>Here, this is what we're going to do.

0:32:07.120 --> 0:32:10.440
<v Speaker 2>And and and there were, as I understand it, some

0:32:10.560 --> 0:32:13.400
<v Speaker 2>Muskogie creeks creeks that that did sign it. But that

0:32:13.440 --> 0:32:15.240
<v Speaker 2>doesn't mean that all of them did. And they didn't

0:32:15.280 --> 0:32:18.200
<v Speaker 2>have a centralized government, you know, so the the Americans

0:32:18.840 --> 0:32:22.520
<v Speaker 2>just were coming from this like European mentality of centralized government.

0:32:22.520 --> 0:32:25.080
<v Speaker 2>There's presidents and leaders that speak for the people.

0:32:25.480 --> 0:32:27.400
<v Speaker 1>But they did not.

0:32:28.120 --> 0:32:30.720
<v Speaker 2>I mean, it's like their way of governing was just

0:32:30.760 --> 0:32:34.440
<v Speaker 2>so different. And then so they agreed to it, and uh.

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<v Speaker 6>But then it was revoked.

0:32:35.760 --> 0:32:35.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:32:36.000 --> 0:32:39.720
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and then like six years later they're like, tell

0:32:39.760 --> 0:32:42.760
<v Speaker 2>you what, never forget that, forget that fourth out. You know,

0:32:42.800 --> 0:32:46.520
<v Speaker 2>four million acres, which was peanuts even then, but a

0:32:46.520 --> 0:32:49.320
<v Speaker 2>four million acre reservation that the seminoles were supposed to

0:32:49.360 --> 0:32:51.440
<v Speaker 2>stay on. They were like, hey, we're going to take

0:32:51.480 --> 0:32:53.320
<v Speaker 2>that to you' all, go on to Oklahoma.

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<v Speaker 5>Crazy, Okay. Question number three, according to doctor Wickman, approximately

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<v Speaker 5>how many seminoles were believed to be in Florida at

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<v Speaker 5>the highest point in the early part of the worst.

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<v Speaker 4>Raise your hand if you know the answer, look at it,

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<v Speaker 4>Old Baron new what is it.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna say, five thousand, five thousand.

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<v Speaker 5>The answer is five thousand.

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<v Speaker 1>What were you doing between the ages of nine and thirteen?

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<v Speaker 1>I was mosy around.

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<v Speaker 6>He was.

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<v Speaker 5>Okay. Question number four described Osceola as five foot eight

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<v Speaker 5>inches high with a manly frank and open countenance.

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<v Speaker 1>The guy's name. The other guy's name, Oh man, I

0:33:42.680 --> 0:33:44.480
<v Speaker 1>may know his first name, but I don't. I don't

0:33:44.520 --> 0:33:45.440
<v Speaker 1>remember his full name.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, John Sprague, Okay, I'm gonna.

0:33:50.280 --> 0:33:53.000
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna you didn't even give us a chance.

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<v Speaker 5>You didn't know nobody had nobody had it.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, see, now I'm gonna critique, like does show Rinella

0:34:02.240 --> 0:34:04.920
<v Speaker 2>does on his program that he's in charge of that,

0:34:05.000 --> 0:34:08.320
<v Speaker 2>he's in charge of the ratings for it and charging

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<v Speaker 2>whether a successful or fails.

0:34:11.120 --> 0:34:12.359
<v Speaker 1>He gets to talk about it.

0:34:12.640 --> 0:34:16.759
<v Speaker 2>See that that question was such a tertiary question, Like

0:34:16.880 --> 0:34:23.000
<v Speaker 2>nobody cares what that guy's name was, But trivia has

0:34:23.040 --> 0:34:26.719
<v Speaker 2>gotta have some tinge of like fun to it.

0:34:26.800 --> 0:34:28.319
<v Speaker 1>Okay, that was not fun.

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<v Speaker 5>What was the name of the Indian agent that Osceola assassinated?

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<v Speaker 5>Your hand?

0:34:34.360 --> 0:34:38.640
<v Speaker 1>You should know that one. What come on, guys, wait

0:34:40.120 --> 0:34:46.040
<v Speaker 1>mentioned at least six times his first name Thomas. Yeah,

0:34:45.920 --> 0:34:48.320
<v Speaker 1>where you're in the family of names?

0:34:48.400 --> 0:34:50.560
<v Speaker 4>Tom?

0:34:51.440 --> 0:34:51.680
<v Speaker 6>Tom?

0:34:51.920 --> 0:34:55.799
<v Speaker 5>Okay, you're you're a couple of vowels, right, you got

0:34:55.800 --> 0:34:58.279
<v Speaker 5>it backwards? Okay, nobody has an answer. His name was

0:34:58.360 --> 0:35:01.759
<v Speaker 5>Wiley Thompson, not Tom Willie.

0:35:03.400 --> 0:35:06.520
<v Speaker 2>Let's talk talk about let's talk about It's okay if

0:35:06.560 --> 0:35:07.759
<v Speaker 2>we talk about that.

0:35:08.320 --> 0:35:09.239
<v Speaker 1>Here's here's the other.

0:35:09.480 --> 0:35:12.760
<v Speaker 2>This is a little inside beargrease thing. Part of the

0:35:12.960 --> 0:35:16.319
<v Speaker 2>quiz too, is that it gives us, it gives us

0:35:16.440 --> 0:35:19.080
<v Speaker 2>entry points to talk about what was going on. So

0:35:19.080 --> 0:35:22.400
<v Speaker 2>it's okay if we're like having like meaningful conversation about.

0:35:22.120 --> 0:35:24.040
<v Speaker 5>The I thought that part was really interesting in the

0:35:24.040 --> 0:35:31.120
<v Speaker 5>podcast because the fact that Wiley Thompson puts in irons

0:35:31.160 --> 0:35:34.719
<v Speaker 5>like it just unilaterally made a decision with no authority

0:35:34.800 --> 0:35:38.239
<v Speaker 5>behind it, to lock this guy up. I mean, I

0:35:38.560 --> 0:35:41.720
<v Speaker 5>think Wiley Thompson would have had to have known enough

0:35:41.840 --> 0:35:44.640
<v Speaker 5>about Ostiola to know that this is a bad idea,

0:35:44.880 --> 0:35:45.960
<v Speaker 5>like this is not going to turn on.

0:35:46.080 --> 0:35:50.680
<v Speaker 6>Maybe it was just plumb arrogance. I think ultimately led

0:35:50.680 --> 0:35:51.400
<v Speaker 6>to his demise.

0:35:52.160 --> 0:35:54.799
<v Speaker 1>I think oola was.

0:35:56.440 --> 0:35:59.600
<v Speaker 2>I mean, you saw it documented several times in there

0:35:59.680 --> 0:36:01.759
<v Speaker 2>that that he would I mean, he would lie to

0:36:01.880 --> 0:36:06.040
<v Speaker 2>a Indian agent I mean, which I'm not really faulting

0:36:06.120 --> 0:36:07.799
<v Speaker 2>him for because I mean, these people were like trying

0:36:07.840 --> 0:36:10.840
<v Speaker 2>to kill them or steal their land. So but but

0:36:10.960 --> 0:36:13.040
<v Speaker 2>he would he would say, I mean, he was kind

0:36:13.080 --> 0:36:13.479
<v Speaker 2>of a trick.

0:36:13.560 --> 0:36:18.000
<v Speaker 1>He was cunning. If you remember in the description uh

0:36:18.120 --> 0:36:22.759
<v Speaker 1>they they One of the guys said that that Ostiola was.

0:36:24.160 --> 0:36:27.160
<v Speaker 5>When he talked about his mind, his mind was active,

0:36:27.320 --> 0:36:30.319
<v Speaker 5>not sharp, not strong, not strong, active, nothing.

0:36:30.400 --> 0:36:33.680
<v Speaker 2>And I think like if you would have described I'm

0:36:33.719 --> 0:36:36.200
<v Speaker 2>just reading in, like big time reading in. But the

0:36:36.239 --> 0:36:39.400
<v Speaker 2>impression that I get, like the research I've done in Ostiola,

0:36:39.840 --> 0:36:40.680
<v Speaker 2>is that, I mean he.

0:36:40.760 --> 0:36:43.919
<v Speaker 1>Was like a wily guy, like a tricky guy.

0:36:44.239 --> 0:36:46.520
<v Speaker 2>Like he'd look at you and say, hey, this is

0:36:46.560 --> 0:36:50.080
<v Speaker 2>what we're gonna do, and then he'd slip around and

0:36:50.080 --> 0:36:54.920
<v Speaker 2>and you know, do something completely different now like a

0:36:54.920 --> 0:36:57.439
<v Speaker 2>lot of the and and And that's not a I'm

0:36:57.440 --> 0:36:59.440
<v Speaker 2>not saying that's a fault. He was doing what he

0:36:59.520 --> 0:37:02.759
<v Speaker 2>had to do to build this resistance of just what

0:37:02.840 --> 0:37:06.120
<v Speaker 2>it's just what it took. But anyway, so I think

0:37:06.160 --> 0:37:09.279
<v Speaker 2>maybe Wiley Thompson did not know who he was dealing with,

0:37:10.160 --> 0:37:12.480
<v Speaker 2>like he he felt like he was dealing with just

0:37:12.640 --> 0:37:13.480
<v Speaker 2>like it.

0:37:13.440 --> 0:37:17.440
<v Speaker 3>Could be that this guy was, like Brent said, just

0:37:18.320 --> 0:37:20.000
<v Speaker 3>you are going to kind of be the law west

0:37:20.000 --> 0:37:21.680
<v Speaker 3>of the pay Coast. You know, you're gonna have to

0:37:21.680 --> 0:37:23.120
<v Speaker 3>be in charge. But he might have been one of

0:37:23.120 --> 0:37:27.240
<v Speaker 3>those overbearing type you know, this is I'm in charge.

0:37:27.239 --> 0:37:31.160
<v Speaker 3>I'll do whatever I want. And that's the wrong guy,

0:37:31.719 --> 0:37:33.160
<v Speaker 3>that's the wrong kind of personality.

0:37:33.360 --> 0:37:35.040
<v Speaker 6>Well, he was used to also, he was used to

0:37:35.120 --> 0:37:38.680
<v Speaker 6>dealing folks that recognized his authority. Yeah, those folks are

0:37:38.719 --> 0:37:41.359
<v Speaker 6>exactly this dude. What's his name? We can get his

0:37:41.440 --> 0:37:42.040
<v Speaker 6>name right now.

0:37:43.040 --> 0:37:47.120
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, treat people like you want to be treated, because

0:37:47.160 --> 0:37:48.120
<v Speaker 3>it might come back and bite you.

0:37:48.320 --> 0:37:50.319
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, I've known, I don't know you well enough to

0:37:50.320 --> 0:37:52.560
<v Speaker 6>miss you if you died. Now you're going to tell

0:37:52.560 --> 0:37:55.200
<v Speaker 6>me that I got to get into Calaboose. Yeah, I

0:37:55.239 --> 0:37:56.000
<v Speaker 6>got something for you.

0:37:56.040 --> 0:37:59.640
<v Speaker 2>Can you imagine being an Indian, a US Indian agent.

0:38:00.280 --> 0:38:05.600
<v Speaker 2>They so their job was to befriend, just deal with,

0:38:05.920 --> 0:38:13.279
<v Speaker 2>communicate with, live with to some degree, lie to lie too, Yeah,

0:38:13.440 --> 0:38:17.239
<v Speaker 2>just yeah, and so yeah, boy, that would have been

0:38:17.239 --> 0:38:19.760
<v Speaker 2>an interesting job to be a US Indian agent.

0:38:20.080 --> 0:38:22.839
<v Speaker 1>A lot of those guys got killed too. A lot

0:38:22.880 --> 0:38:23.640
<v Speaker 1>of them got killed.

0:38:25.320 --> 0:38:28.719
<v Speaker 6>It'd be interesting to know how many of them, the

0:38:28.800 --> 0:38:33.399
<v Speaker 6>percentage of them actually looked out the situation, being as

0:38:33.400 --> 0:38:36.279
<v Speaker 6>it was not that they manufactured, but how many of

0:38:36.320 --> 0:38:39.920
<v Speaker 6>them actually worked in the best interest of the natives.

0:38:40.280 --> 0:38:41.840
<v Speaker 6>I think the percentage is low.

0:38:42.239 --> 0:38:44.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well, and I think it would be hard to

0:38:44.960 --> 0:38:52.719
<v Speaker 2>quantify that too, because I mean it's like different scenarios

0:38:52.800 --> 0:38:57.640
<v Speaker 2>might be, might be it would be.

0:38:57.760 --> 0:39:03.680
<v Speaker 8>Very hard, very hard to go Yeah, yeah, yeah, all right, Josh, Josh,

0:39:03.880 --> 0:39:06.800
<v Speaker 8>what was the name of the US general who captured

0:39:06.840 --> 0:39:08.560
<v Speaker 8>Osila under a flag of truce?

0:39:11.600 --> 0:39:16.680
<v Speaker 6>Schwartz cough? Oh forgot to raise man, no.

0:39:18.320 --> 0:39:21.800
<v Speaker 2>Man, remember now this this is okay, I'm a little

0:39:22.239 --> 0:39:23.520
<v Speaker 2>a little disappointed, guys.

0:39:24.760 --> 0:39:28.520
<v Speaker 5>Okay, the answer is General Jessup.

0:39:30.440 --> 0:39:31.880
<v Speaker 1>Sure, now, okay.

0:39:31.920 --> 0:39:35.480
<v Speaker 2>What was not in the podcast was that Jessup was

0:39:36.200 --> 0:39:40.000
<v Speaker 2>one of the longest serving US military generals of all time.

0:39:40.239 --> 0:39:42.799
<v Speaker 2>He was in the US military military for fifty two

0:39:42.920 --> 0:39:43.960
<v Speaker 2>years as a general.

0:39:44.160 --> 0:39:44.600
<v Speaker 6>Wow.

0:39:45.160 --> 0:39:49.799
<v Speaker 2>He started in like nineteen or eighteen early in the

0:39:49.840 --> 0:39:53.200
<v Speaker 2>Seminole Wars and like went like to the Civil War.

0:39:53.719 --> 0:39:54.000
<v Speaker 3>Wow.

0:39:54.160 --> 0:39:58.080
<v Speaker 6>Oh, Doug Gum also es. Yeah. He did not win

0:39:58.120 --> 0:39:59.799
<v Speaker 6>any friends for that either.

0:40:00.080 --> 0:40:04.359
<v Speaker 2>Well you heard you heard it how they were like

0:40:04.760 --> 0:40:07.640
<v Speaker 2>they were ridiculing him fifty years later.

0:40:07.920 --> 0:40:11.839
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, because of the deception, flag of truce and all that.

0:40:11.880 --> 0:40:13.719
<v Speaker 3>But you know, I thought of listening to that on

0:40:13.760 --> 0:40:16.560
<v Speaker 3>the way down. Remember when Boone goes out at Boonsboro

0:40:16.560 --> 0:40:18.040
<v Speaker 3>and they're going to have the talk with the Indians

0:40:18.080 --> 0:40:20.640
<v Speaker 3>and the Indians are like, okay, on three go and

0:40:20.680 --> 0:40:23.680
<v Speaker 3>they try to grab him. That's the same thing the

0:40:23.719 --> 0:40:27.040
<v Speaker 3>other way. You know, it's but we would look down

0:40:27.080 --> 0:40:29.040
<v Speaker 3>on that as deception. They looked down on and it

0:40:29.120 --> 0:40:30.520
<v Speaker 3>was it was dirty, dirty pool.

0:40:30.560 --> 0:40:34.320
<v Speaker 6>But yeah, wars war man.

0:40:34.239 --> 0:40:36.040
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's what I thought too, kind of.

0:40:36.239 --> 0:40:38.640
<v Speaker 6>War's war if they'd had a chance to get jessup,

0:40:39.680 --> 0:40:41.680
<v Speaker 6>if he's dumb enough to walk into it.

0:40:42.719 --> 0:40:45.839
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well you know, and that's where you get.

0:40:45.880 --> 0:40:49.240
<v Speaker 2>You get these little like micro windows into that world

0:40:49.239 --> 0:40:51.160
<v Speaker 2>that I think paint the picture of what it was like.

0:40:51.360 --> 0:40:53.319
<v Speaker 2>The thing the thing about it was that made it

0:40:53.360 --> 0:40:56.319
<v Speaker 2>so tricky is that he had met with military US

0:40:56.440 --> 0:40:59.920
<v Speaker 2>military generals like bunches of times before.

0:41:00.120 --> 0:41:02.319
<v Speaker 6>And but I mean, now that had to go into

0:41:02.360 --> 0:41:04.799
<v Speaker 6>the planet. I think we can get him here. If

0:41:04.840 --> 0:41:06.800
<v Speaker 6>we just get him here, we'll get him caught, we'll

0:41:07.320 --> 0:41:10.040
<v Speaker 6>and we'll go on. I'm not agreeing with it, Yeah,

0:41:10.600 --> 0:41:13.560
<v Speaker 6>but I understand it's just a war.

0:41:14.080 --> 0:41:17.440
<v Speaker 7>And ahead, well, isn't a flag of truce so different?

0:41:17.920 --> 0:41:19.439
<v Speaker 7>I mean, like that's a big deal in war.

0:41:20.360 --> 0:41:24.160
<v Speaker 6>It wouldn't have been had I been in Tora Bora

0:41:24.960 --> 0:41:27.480
<v Speaker 6>and Osama Bin Louden walked out of a cave waving

0:41:27.480 --> 0:41:29.759
<v Speaker 6>a white flag that had just been a place where

0:41:29.800 --> 0:41:33.200
<v Speaker 6>we're going to orient our fire. It's just sometimes it's

0:41:33.239 --> 0:41:33.920
<v Speaker 6>just what it is.

0:41:34.680 --> 0:41:37.480
<v Speaker 3>They talked about the honor of war about that time,

0:41:37.520 --> 0:41:40.560
<v Speaker 3>and they told a story about Lafayette's dogs. Yea, and

0:41:40.760 --> 0:41:42.840
<v Speaker 3>if you remember The Patriot in the movie The Patriot,

0:41:43.239 --> 0:41:45.480
<v Speaker 3>they used that story with those dogs and the kind

0:41:45.520 --> 0:41:48.680
<v Speaker 3>of the back and forth between Oh that that's where

0:41:48.680 --> 0:41:49.319
<v Speaker 3>that comes from.

0:41:50.440 --> 0:41:51.320
<v Speaker 6>It was in the movie.

0:41:51.400 --> 0:41:53.719
<v Speaker 3>It wasn't within the dog scene, but yeah, that's where

0:41:53.719 --> 0:41:54.239
<v Speaker 3>that comes from.

0:41:54.320 --> 0:41:56.680
<v Speaker 1>Tell us that story. Have you been in the movie?

0:41:57.000 --> 0:42:00.319
<v Speaker 3>Oh well that was twenty five years ago. I know

0:42:00.320 --> 0:42:02.200
<v Speaker 3>it was because what the Patriot?

0:42:02.360 --> 0:42:02.920
<v Speaker 1>The Patriot?

0:42:03.080 --> 0:42:10.200
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yes, yeah, yeah. It wasn't like right with milk somebody. No,

0:42:10.400 --> 0:42:12.960
<v Speaker 3>he went riding by several times. But no, it was

0:42:13.880 --> 0:42:16.480
<v Speaker 3>the way that happened was they were shooting this in

0:42:16.520 --> 0:42:19.440
<v Speaker 3>the Carolina is because it was based on Francis Marion.

0:42:19.520 --> 0:42:22.120
<v Speaker 3>And I mean there's a lot of connections. That's another

0:42:22.160 --> 0:42:25.040
<v Speaker 3>thing about this podcast that so many connections to other

0:42:25.080 --> 0:42:27.440
<v Speaker 3>parts of history. That was that was cool. But yeah,

0:42:27.560 --> 0:42:30.680
<v Speaker 3>that was they were they needed reenactors. They could get

0:42:30.719 --> 0:42:34.080
<v Speaker 3>extras to fill background. You know, for stuff, but they

0:42:34.120 --> 0:42:36.760
<v Speaker 3>needed reenactors when they started shooting the big battle scenes

0:42:36.760 --> 0:42:39.600
<v Speaker 3>and stuff that somebody that had already closed.

0:42:40.040 --> 0:42:42.799
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so you had that, you were a reenactor.

0:42:42.960 --> 0:42:43.240
<v Speaker 6>Yeah.

0:42:43.280 --> 0:42:45.839
<v Speaker 3>So they buddy of mine was there and he said

0:42:45.960 --> 0:42:48.320
<v Speaker 3>contact some I don't remember now there was. It was

0:42:48.480 --> 0:42:52.759
<v Speaker 3>pre pre cell phone, pre computer, no digital stuff. But

0:42:52.840 --> 0:42:54.960
<v Speaker 3>I sent him some stuff and they said, yeah, come

0:42:54.960 --> 0:42:57.040
<v Speaker 3>on out. So he had to go through a process

0:42:57.080 --> 0:42:59.680
<v Speaker 3>and then they had to outfit you in wardrobe. And

0:42:59.719 --> 0:43:02.080
<v Speaker 3>so I wanted a ponytail, you know, in a queue like,

0:43:02.120 --> 0:43:03.800
<v Speaker 3>and they said, we got a lot of those guys.

0:43:03.800 --> 0:43:04.879
<v Speaker 3>So I get a Dutch boy.

0:43:05.680 --> 0:43:06.959
<v Speaker 1>So I don't know what that means.

0:43:07.040 --> 0:43:09.120
<v Speaker 3>Well, it's just a Dutch boy wig that came. Its

0:43:09.520 --> 0:43:12.960
<v Speaker 3>kind of a blew in my eyes every day all day.

0:43:12.960 --> 0:43:13.600
<v Speaker 3>It was terrible.

0:43:13.640 --> 0:43:17.279
<v Speaker 2>But so you were an extra war scenes Yeah, yeah,

0:43:17.320 --> 0:43:18.960
<v Speaker 2>so you were like shooting a musket.

0:43:19.040 --> 0:43:19.239
<v Speaker 6>Yeah.

0:43:20.560 --> 0:43:22.759
<v Speaker 3>I was supposed to be a guy stepping out front

0:43:22.760 --> 0:43:24.520
<v Speaker 3>and they were going to zero in on us and

0:43:24.719 --> 0:43:28.280
<v Speaker 3>actually shoot because I knew the armor on the set,

0:43:28.560 --> 0:43:30.520
<v Speaker 3>and every time we started to do that, it rained

0:43:30.560 --> 0:43:33.239
<v Speaker 3>and that never happened. But the stuff that I worked on,

0:43:33.280 --> 0:43:36.000
<v Speaker 3>I'm just you're like furniture kind of your background, you know.

0:43:36.080 --> 0:43:37.600
<v Speaker 3>But the scene where he comes back.

0:43:37.400 --> 0:43:40.319
<v Speaker 1>With can you see yourself in the movie.

0:43:39.760 --> 0:43:42.920
<v Speaker 3>I'm like those little guys in uh what what's the movie?

0:43:43.440 --> 0:43:44.480
<v Speaker 6>Uh?

0:43:44.600 --> 0:43:47.799
<v Speaker 3>They say, you can see my hand if you look. Yeah, now,

0:43:48.080 --> 0:43:49.880
<v Speaker 3>if you freeze frame it, you can, but you're not

0:43:49.920 --> 0:43:52.839
<v Speaker 3>gonna Yeah, yeah I can show you you were there though,

0:43:52.920 --> 0:43:55.520
<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, yeah it was, and it was. What's cool

0:43:55.600 --> 0:43:58.279
<v Speaker 3>is you get a you get a little bit of

0:43:58.360 --> 0:44:00.759
<v Speaker 3>sense certain times, a little magic for a certain kind

0:44:00.760 --> 0:44:03.319
<v Speaker 3>of time of day, and all that stuff is there

0:44:03.640 --> 0:44:06.239
<v Speaker 3>that you can't you're not visualizing. It's right there, you know.

0:44:06.520 --> 0:44:08.359
<v Speaker 3>Mister you have to go, So it's kind of cool.

0:44:08.440 --> 0:44:10.640
<v Speaker 2>Miss Newcomb has to go. Thank you, Thank you for

0:44:10.680 --> 0:44:15.560
<v Speaker 2>coming support us. Mistery actually has a real job. You

0:44:15.600 --> 0:44:18.400
<v Speaker 2>can't just sit around podcast for a living being a

0:44:18.480 --> 0:44:20.000
<v Speaker 2>podcast or even a real job.

0:44:20.239 --> 0:44:23.319
<v Speaker 1>No, it's not, but h Pristy has a real job.

0:44:23.400 --> 0:44:24.480
<v Speaker 5>So thanks mister.

0:44:24.719 --> 0:44:25.480
<v Speaker 3>Good to see miss.

0:44:26.920 --> 0:44:27.400
<v Speaker 6>Okay.

0:44:27.600 --> 0:44:29.080
<v Speaker 3>Anyway, that's how that happened. It was fun.

0:44:29.080 --> 0:44:32.640
<v Speaker 2>All right, Let's bring in our next guest.

0:44:32.760 --> 0:44:36.719
<v Speaker 1>Go get Tim. Do you think you could get Tim

0:44:36.719 --> 0:44:40.120
<v Speaker 1>to sit right there? Yeah? I mean not for very long,

0:44:40.200 --> 0:44:41.640
<v Speaker 1>but yeah, okay.

0:44:49.200 --> 0:44:51.920
<v Speaker 9>Okay, go ahead, I'm sorry, I'm no, that's fine, that's

0:44:51.920 --> 0:44:53.840
<v Speaker 9>that's what it was, and it was it was a

0:44:53.880 --> 0:44:54.239
<v Speaker 9>good time.

0:44:54.280 --> 0:44:56.560
<v Speaker 3>I had several buddies that were that did the same thing,

0:44:56.600 --> 0:44:59.120
<v Speaker 3>and so there was a core group that was with

0:44:59.160 --> 0:45:01.080
<v Speaker 3>the film all the time. So say no, they're going

0:45:01.160 --> 0:45:03.279
<v Speaker 3>to be in this stuff and they can't just have

0:45:03.440 --> 0:45:05.440
<v Speaker 3>they can't have a shot that. You got to go

0:45:05.440 --> 0:45:08.239
<v Speaker 3>reshoot and have a different people. So what they did

0:45:08.280 --> 0:45:12.160
<v Speaker 3>with us was they would once they had you photographed

0:45:12.160 --> 0:45:14.399
<v Speaker 3>and all your stuff. They I had had a rev

0:45:14.400 --> 0:45:16.840
<v Speaker 3>woar coach that came out of wardrobe. Everything else was

0:45:16.880 --> 0:45:19.919
<v Speaker 3>mine and then the wig and I had a wound

0:45:20.040 --> 0:45:22.520
<v Speaker 3>had a hand to And so the day we're shooting

0:45:22.560 --> 0:45:24.319
<v Speaker 3>the scene where he comes back to the to the

0:45:24.480 --> 0:45:27.840
<v Speaker 3>army and cheering and everything, they shoot it a few times.

0:45:27.880 --> 0:45:30.280
<v Speaker 3>First time we were just yeah, we're whooping and who's

0:45:30.320 --> 0:45:32.680
<v Speaker 3>on there and the horses flare off. So every time

0:45:32.719 --> 0:45:35.240
<v Speaker 3>after that, what you see in the movie it's all pantomime,

0:45:36.000 --> 0:45:39.759
<v Speaker 3>you know, yeah, oh yeah, no, we're not saying anything

0:45:39.760 --> 0:45:42.239
<v Speaker 3>because the horse will get close enough to the to

0:45:42.280 --> 0:45:46.360
<v Speaker 3>the call. Yeah. So then they finally get Gibson there.

0:45:46.200 --> 0:45:48.239
<v Speaker 1>Says, my mules would have been fine.

0:45:48.280 --> 0:45:50.520
<v Speaker 3>They should have had you do it, had you come

0:45:50.560 --> 0:45:51.920
<v Speaker 3>back to the army with the mule and.

0:45:52.440 --> 0:45:53.479
<v Speaker 5>Gets and riding the mule.

0:45:53.600 --> 0:45:59.200
<v Speaker 3>Absolutely, But they stopped and they picked up section of

0:45:59.280 --> 0:46:00.759
<v Speaker 3>us that was going to be right in the back

0:46:00.800 --> 0:46:02.840
<v Speaker 3>of that, and they dusted us up and they fixed

0:46:02.880 --> 0:46:05.319
<v Speaker 3>us all up, and and they came in. They were

0:46:05.360 --> 0:46:07.040
<v Speaker 3>going to put a head wound on. They're gonna take

0:46:07.080 --> 0:46:08.680
<v Speaker 3>my hat, put this head wound on. They had this

0:46:08.719 --> 0:46:10.080
<v Speaker 3>fake blood, and I thought, I don't want to lose

0:46:10.120 --> 0:46:11.800
<v Speaker 3>my hats, my hat, you know, so I said, have

0:46:11.840 --> 0:46:13.719
<v Speaker 3>about a hand wood so they won't. They fixed my

0:46:13.760 --> 0:46:17.200
<v Speaker 3>hand up. The guy next to me, they do head wound.

0:46:17.320 --> 0:46:21.719
<v Speaker 3>Bloody em all up. He's in every shot. Always take

0:46:21.719 --> 0:46:27.719
<v Speaker 3>the head wound. So it's like the guy the five

0:46:27.800 --> 0:46:29.799
<v Speaker 3>and the you know, the guy with the head got

0:46:29.800 --> 0:46:31.920
<v Speaker 3>the head, you know. So so you were standing by

0:46:31.960 --> 0:46:33.680
<v Speaker 3>the guy with the hen you see him. I'm right

0:46:33.719 --> 0:46:36.560
<v Speaker 3>there somewhere.

0:46:36.280 --> 0:46:40.000
<v Speaker 2>Acne career would have been so much just take the

0:46:40.040 --> 0:46:41.160
<v Speaker 2>head woond, that would have been.

0:46:41.239 --> 0:46:44.959
<v Speaker 1>But that's pretty good fun, that's pretty cool. Yeah, yeah,

0:46:45.400 --> 0:46:46.600
<v Speaker 1>all right, this is good Josh.

0:46:46.719 --> 0:46:50.799
<v Speaker 5>Okay. Last last real question is a date question, what

0:46:50.920 --> 0:46:53.000
<v Speaker 5>year did ossi Ola and his family move to Florida?

0:46:53.760 --> 0:46:57.160
<v Speaker 5>That was mentioned in there? I will give you a hint.

0:46:57.880 --> 0:47:00.520
<v Speaker 5>It is very close to the start. That's what of

0:47:00.560 --> 0:47:02.000
<v Speaker 5>the Seminole wars?

0:47:02.080 --> 0:47:03.480
<v Speaker 6>I have a I have an answer.

0:47:04.320 --> 0:47:06.239
<v Speaker 3>I'm gonna wait. See what Brent say. Brenton, what do

0:47:06.280 --> 0:47:06.560
<v Speaker 3>you say?

0:47:06.600 --> 0:47:08.640
<v Speaker 6>I must say, eighteen fifteen.

0:47:09.680 --> 0:47:14.160
<v Speaker 5>Sixteen fourteen, eighteen fourteen is correct.

0:47:14.719 --> 0:47:17.279
<v Speaker 3>It took a little trip that Yeah, that should have

0:47:17.320 --> 0:47:18.200
<v Speaker 3>should have been remembered.

0:47:19.560 --> 0:47:26.000
<v Speaker 2>Okay, I have a I have a couple of questions. Man,

0:47:26.120 --> 0:47:28.480
<v Speaker 2>my questions are a little kind of heavy hitting here.

0:47:30.360 --> 0:47:32.200
<v Speaker 6>So far that we actually listened.

0:47:31.920 --> 0:47:34.320
<v Speaker 1>To it, yeah, makes for listening.

0:47:34.320 --> 0:47:35.080
<v Speaker 6>Brent, You're welcome.

0:47:38.080 --> 0:47:41.440
<v Speaker 2>Oh there was a there was a I don't even

0:47:41.440 --> 0:47:42.040
<v Speaker 2>know how to pronounce it.

0:47:42.040 --> 0:47:43.000
<v Speaker 1>We're gonna skip that one.

0:47:46.920 --> 0:47:50.399
<v Speaker 2>What is one of the names of the of what

0:47:50.440 --> 0:47:55.160
<v Speaker 2>the Seminoles called Florida, not not the not the not

0:47:55.320 --> 0:47:58.600
<v Speaker 2>the the actual Indian name, but what it meant?

0:47:59.120 --> 0:48:00.960
<v Speaker 1>There were two? There were two names.

0:48:01.320 --> 0:48:02.040
<v Speaker 3>Can get close?

0:48:02.080 --> 0:48:05.200
<v Speaker 1>I think, yeah, Josh, what what did they call Florida?

0:48:05.520 --> 0:48:06.480
<v Speaker 5>Those of the deer.

0:48:06.520 --> 0:48:11.440
<v Speaker 1>Nose of the deer? They called it like the I

0:48:11.480 --> 0:48:12.040
<v Speaker 1>can't remember.

0:48:12.160 --> 0:48:15.279
<v Speaker 2>It was like the Kyle something I know, the deer

0:48:15.440 --> 0:48:16.600
<v Speaker 2>close brand.

0:48:16.640 --> 0:48:19.520
<v Speaker 6>Do you remember something about water the pointed land.

0:48:19.360 --> 0:48:22.320
<v Speaker 2>They called it the sharpened pointed land or the nose

0:48:22.360 --> 0:48:22.839
<v Speaker 2>of the deer.

0:48:23.640 --> 0:48:24.520
<v Speaker 6>I don't.

0:48:25.520 --> 0:48:26.440
<v Speaker 3>That's what it got me.

0:48:28.239 --> 0:48:32.200
<v Speaker 2>When I said that doctor Wickman, I was like, Wow,

0:48:32.200 --> 0:48:36.120
<v Speaker 2>they knew the shape of Florida. And I realized kind

0:48:36.120 --> 0:48:41.080
<v Speaker 2>of how dumb that is to think that they wouldn't ask.

0:48:41.719 --> 0:48:44.279
<v Speaker 2>But you wouldn't have thought that they would have had

0:48:44.400 --> 0:48:47.600
<v Speaker 2>a sense of that big of geography. But I mean

0:48:48.160 --> 0:48:51.719
<v Speaker 2>even even on foot, like these people didn't have horses,

0:48:52.160 --> 0:48:54.160
<v Speaker 2>Yeah they were. They were on foot and in canoes.

0:48:55.239 --> 0:48:57.960
<v Speaker 2>That much land they they.

0:48:57.840 --> 0:49:00.279
<v Speaker 3>Were made, that rounded point. But but yeah, I mean

0:49:00.280 --> 0:49:02.200
<v Speaker 3>they didn't see an aerial photo. They couldn't have ever.

0:49:02.440 --> 0:49:04.840
<v Speaker 3>It had to be either from other people talking to

0:49:05.040 --> 0:49:06.880
<v Speaker 3>them something, you know.

0:49:08.239 --> 0:49:09.239
<v Speaker 1>I thought that was pretty cool.

0:49:09.239 --> 0:49:09.719
<v Speaker 3>It was cool.

0:49:09.800 --> 0:49:10.040
<v Speaker 6>Yeah.

0:49:10.640 --> 0:49:12.000
<v Speaker 1>I also thought it was interesting.

0:49:12.200 --> 0:49:15.600
<v Speaker 2>In the in the in the History of Florida section

0:49:15.640 --> 0:49:19.600
<v Speaker 2>at the very beginning that doctor Wickman gave, she said

0:49:19.600 --> 0:49:23.839
<v Speaker 2>that Florida was so critical to America. I wouldn't have known.

0:49:23.840 --> 0:49:26.240
<v Speaker 2>I wouldn't have thought about why it would have been critical.

0:49:26.239 --> 0:49:29.239
<v Speaker 2>I just thought, Wow, it's just attached so we need it,

0:49:29.560 --> 0:49:32.560
<v Speaker 2>but it had so much exposure. And when you think

0:49:32.560 --> 0:49:37.759
<v Speaker 2>about in history, where did people from Europe usually end

0:49:37.840 --> 0:49:41.279
<v Speaker 2>up landing on the coast Florida? Yeah, I mean like

0:49:41.520 --> 0:49:44.080
<v Speaker 2>that's where a lot of people came in. That's where

0:49:45.400 --> 0:49:48.960
<v Speaker 2>uh Casa de Vaka that one of the first guys

0:49:48.960 --> 0:49:53.080
<v Speaker 2>that came inland in the southeastern United States.

0:49:53.840 --> 0:49:54.920
<v Speaker 1>They landed in Florida.

0:49:56.880 --> 0:49:59.360
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it was Florida, right, Yeah, yeah, somewhere.

0:49:59.800 --> 0:50:03.440
<v Speaker 1>And uh didn't Hernando de Soto and them start in Florida.

0:50:04.560 --> 0:50:05.600
<v Speaker 6>I found up Mark.

0:50:06.480 --> 0:50:08.600
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I think of him more in the middle part

0:50:08.600 --> 0:50:09.600
<v Speaker 3>of the country. But I don't know.

0:50:09.680 --> 0:50:11.200
<v Speaker 1>You're mad, Missippi.

0:50:11.600 --> 0:50:15.640
<v Speaker 2>But point being, it's a it's a critical geographic point

0:50:15.680 --> 0:50:19.040
<v Speaker 2>for the protection of America. That's where we now have

0:50:19.080 --> 0:50:22.320
<v Speaker 2>all these military bases and all this different stuff.

0:50:22.600 --> 0:50:23.920
<v Speaker 1>But so that's pretty interesting.

0:50:25.120 --> 0:50:27.120
<v Speaker 2>I was going to ask you guys, the type of

0:50:27.480 --> 0:50:31.120
<v Speaker 2>polygamy when you when you married two sisters.

0:50:31.239 --> 0:50:31.799
<v Speaker 6>Here we go.

0:50:32.080 --> 0:50:33.640
<v Speaker 3>She said the word, but I didn't.

0:50:33.800 --> 0:50:35.760
<v Speaker 1>It was hard to That's.

0:50:35.600 --> 0:50:40.320
<v Speaker 2>Why the question has been I've decided it's called sore

0:50:41.000 --> 0:50:42.360
<v Speaker 2>s O R.

0:50:42.320 --> 0:50:47.560
<v Speaker 1>O R A L polygamy, s real sor sorrow sorrow.

0:50:47.680 --> 0:50:50.400
<v Speaker 1>It was hard. She she pronounced it, and I couldn't.

0:50:51.040 --> 0:50:53.360
<v Speaker 3>I thought she was saying Serialmy I'm like, how do

0:50:53.400 --> 0:50:56.919
<v Speaker 3>you do that?

0:50:57.239 --> 0:50:58.200
<v Speaker 6>A bunch of sisters?

0:50:58.320 --> 0:50:59.600
<v Speaker 3>Yeah?

0:50:59.400 --> 0:51:01.479
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that was interest word for cake. Okay, now here's

0:51:01.480 --> 0:51:05.080
<v Speaker 2>here's one. What was the name of the first Indian

0:51:05.120 --> 0:51:07.680
<v Speaker 2>graduate of West Point? He was a Muskogee.

0:51:08.840 --> 0:51:10.040
<v Speaker 5>I was going to put that in there.

0:51:11.280 --> 0:51:12.120
<v Speaker 6>His name was.

0:51:14.920 --> 0:51:18.720
<v Speaker 1>Anybody now, David Moniac yeh.

0:51:19.160 --> 0:51:21.440
<v Speaker 3>Which that didn't come to me. I actually I felt

0:51:21.480 --> 0:51:23.200
<v Speaker 3>like that it was cool that.

0:51:23.200 --> 0:51:27.960
<v Speaker 2>Story set for me the time, and I mentioned it

0:51:27.960 --> 0:51:30.080
<v Speaker 2>on the podcast. But you kind of get this feeling

0:51:30.120 --> 0:51:33.320
<v Speaker 2>that like these people had never seen white people.

0:51:33.760 --> 0:51:34.600
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, you.

0:51:36.160 --> 0:51:39.759
<v Speaker 2>Just think, like, but then here this guy is a

0:51:39.840 --> 0:51:41.120
<v Speaker 2>graduate from West Point.

0:51:41.280 --> 0:51:44.440
<v Speaker 5>Can you imagine what it had been for a Native

0:51:44.440 --> 0:51:46.760
<v Speaker 5>American to go through West Point at that time?

0:51:47.880 --> 0:51:50.279
<v Speaker 6>It says volumes about that person that.

0:51:50.280 --> 0:51:54.560
<v Speaker 5>Did no kidding, I mean, the the internal fortitude that

0:51:54.560 --> 0:51:57.799
<v Speaker 5>that guy must have had was off the charts. I mean,

0:51:58.719 --> 0:52:01.759
<v Speaker 5>the average Joe that goes through West Point goes through

0:52:01.880 --> 0:52:05.000
<v Speaker 5>hillacious hazing and all that kind of stuff. Let alone

0:52:05.000 --> 0:52:08.600
<v Speaker 5>at that time in history for a Native to go

0:52:08.680 --> 0:52:10.760
<v Speaker 5>through the no HR available.

0:52:10.360 --> 0:52:14.400
<v Speaker 2>Ship and then he's the first guy killed in the

0:52:14.440 --> 0:52:15.520
<v Speaker 2>battle that he's in.

0:52:16.239 --> 0:52:19.560
<v Speaker 6>It was. It was good that you reminded the listener,

0:52:19.960 --> 0:52:23.640
<v Speaker 6>include myself, that the folks been interacting for three hundred

0:52:23.680 --> 0:52:27.440
<v Speaker 6>years before. That was because you did get the impression.

0:52:27.520 --> 0:52:30.279
<v Speaker 6>It was like, what is that? Yeah, oh it's a

0:52:30.320 --> 0:52:34.000
<v Speaker 6>white guy. Yeah, that was not the case. It'd been there.

0:52:35.000 --> 0:52:39.160
<v Speaker 5>Bonus question. I got a bonus question. The winner takes all.

0:52:40.719 --> 0:52:45.400
<v Speaker 5>What is the name of the of Clay's aunt and

0:52:45.480 --> 0:52:49.440
<v Speaker 5>uncle that lived in sophisticated Pennsylvania Tommy Kate.

0:52:52.880 --> 0:53:02.920
<v Speaker 10>Karen aunt Karen, Yeah, and uncle Ben uncle Tony sophisticated, sophisticated,

0:53:03.080 --> 0:53:04.319
<v Speaker 10>cultured Pennsylvania.

0:53:04.320 --> 0:53:05.600
<v Speaker 1>I have Pennsylvania.

0:53:05.840 --> 0:53:06.640
<v Speaker 3>That's a cool place.

0:53:07.200 --> 0:53:09.960
<v Speaker 6>You don't get me in that in that dispute there

0:53:10.000 --> 0:53:13.880
<v Speaker 6>because I love the folks in Pennsylvania, especially Bradford, Pennsylvania.

0:53:14.520 --> 0:53:16.239
<v Speaker 1>Oh case knives.

0:53:16.600 --> 0:53:18.919
<v Speaker 6>What a coincidence? Yeah, they are made there.

0:53:19.080 --> 0:53:22.399
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, man, I got a quick story about them after

0:53:22.440 --> 0:53:25.120
<v Speaker 3>you made that podcast about going there. I had this

0:53:25.160 --> 0:53:28.160
<v Speaker 3>old pocket knife for my granddad's case knife, and you

0:53:28.280 --> 0:53:30.399
<v Speaker 3>mentioned the number series on it. I think I sent

0:53:30.400 --> 0:53:33.719
<v Speaker 3>you a note on that I cannot find. I look

0:53:33.760 --> 0:53:35.520
<v Speaker 3>at it and I can't find a number to correspond

0:53:35.560 --> 0:53:38.360
<v Speaker 3>with their charts. So I sent him an email. Somebody

0:53:38.360 --> 0:53:40.919
<v Speaker 3>called me anyway, long story short. They said, if there's

0:53:41.120 --> 0:53:44.200
<v Speaker 3>if it looks like yours looks it's pre nineteen forty. Yeah,

0:53:44.280 --> 0:53:46.760
<v Speaker 3>so I know his knife was pre nineteen forty.

0:53:47.680 --> 0:53:49.120
<v Speaker 6>Was this your grandfather? Yeah?

0:53:49.120 --> 0:53:51.160
<v Speaker 3>And this thing is what it is, just and he

0:53:51.160 --> 0:53:53.839
<v Speaker 3>didn't didn't do it on a grinder. He just sharp Now.

0:53:53.880 --> 0:53:55.640
<v Speaker 3>He whittled all the time. They go up to the

0:53:55.719 --> 0:53:58.080
<v Speaker 3>hardware store and loaf they called it loaf. They'd visit

0:53:58.120 --> 0:54:01.080
<v Speaker 3>the old guys whittle, you know, sharpening it every day.

0:54:01.200 --> 0:54:03.200
<v Speaker 3>Oh nice, But I skinned cone with it last year,

0:54:03.200 --> 0:54:04.000
<v Speaker 3>as sharp as could be.

0:54:05.360 --> 0:54:09.840
<v Speaker 2>So anyway, those are good folks Pennsylvania. No, it was

0:54:09.880 --> 0:54:12.520
<v Speaker 2>just a cheap shot I would have taken with anybody.

0:54:12.800 --> 0:54:14.080
<v Speaker 2>I would have taken with anybody.

0:54:15.160 --> 0:54:20.720
<v Speaker 1>Okay, Uh, what stood out, Brent, Like, what what stood

0:54:20.719 --> 0:54:23.920
<v Speaker 1>out to you? What did you learn on this podcast?

0:54:24.840 --> 0:54:29.080
<v Speaker 6>I learned that much like Daniel Boone, ohs only had

0:54:29.080 --> 0:54:35.120
<v Speaker 6>two wives. Oh gonna forget that.

0:54:35.320 --> 0:54:40.000
<v Speaker 2>Maybe, Hey, you know what I had forgotten to is that,

0:54:40.640 --> 0:54:45.720
<v Speaker 2>you know, I was like Boone wouldn't have cheated on Rebecca. Well,

0:54:46.200 --> 0:54:50.520
<v Speaker 2>there's lore also that that Robert Morgan does not buy

0:54:51.360 --> 0:54:56.440
<v Speaker 2>that Rebecca Boone had had a child with Boone's younger brother, Squire.

0:54:56.480 --> 0:54:59.879
<v Speaker 1>I believe it was Squire or Nathan. I can't remember.

0:55:01.920 --> 0:55:04.000
<v Speaker 1>That's right, that's right, I believe it Squire. And so

0:55:04.160 --> 0:55:06.040
<v Speaker 1>you know, there was a story of Boone coming back

0:55:06.080 --> 0:55:08.560
<v Speaker 1>from a two year hunting trip and his wife is

0:55:08.640 --> 0:55:13.880
<v Speaker 1>Kralen and newborn son. That's lore, but Boone.

0:55:14.600 --> 0:55:20.720
<v Speaker 2>Robert Morgan, the one who wrote the seminal book on Boone,

0:55:20.719 --> 0:55:24.360
<v Speaker 2>said that everybody had that. That was like a common

0:55:24.520 --> 0:55:28.759
<v Speaker 2>fable during that time because people there's no communication and

0:55:28.960 --> 0:55:31.600
<v Speaker 2>men were going on these long trips, and it was

0:55:31.640 --> 0:55:34.239
<v Speaker 2>just a very common fable that when you come home

0:55:34.320 --> 0:55:37.440
<v Speaker 2>your wife has a new child, and so he doesn't

0:55:37.480 --> 0:55:38.200
<v Speaker 2>think it happened.

0:55:39.200 --> 0:55:40.480
<v Speaker 1>But anyway, carry on.

0:55:40.840 --> 0:55:44.239
<v Speaker 6>What stood out to me was when you hear the

0:55:44.280 --> 0:55:54.120
<v Speaker 6>tale of settlers and Native Americans, you immediately think of

0:55:54.719 --> 0:56:00.760
<v Speaker 6>Wyoming in Arizona, New Mexico, and Idaho. You never, me personally,

0:56:00.960 --> 0:56:05.440
<v Speaker 6>never think about Florida, Georgia, the Carolinas, everything where it

0:56:05.640 --> 0:56:10.080
<v Speaker 6>initially started. Yeah, you always think about west. But it

0:56:10.160 --> 0:56:13.680
<v Speaker 6>was going on for a long time before it ever

0:56:13.800 --> 0:56:16.840
<v Speaker 6>crossed the Mississippi River, So that that stood out to me,

0:56:16.960 --> 0:56:20.360
<v Speaker 6>and I'm going to kind of inspired me to do

0:56:20.360 --> 0:56:24.719
<v Speaker 6>a little research on my own because it's it's tragic,

0:56:25.560 --> 0:56:29.120
<v Speaker 6>beyond tragic, but very interesting in the history of our nation.

0:56:29.880 --> 0:56:30.720
<v Speaker 1>It's a good point.

0:56:30.920 --> 0:56:33.960
<v Speaker 2>And you know why I think that is is, you know,

0:56:34.360 --> 0:56:37.319
<v Speaker 2>the almost put this in the podcast because I talked

0:56:37.360 --> 0:56:40.640
<v Speaker 2>about how having war on your own land is different

0:56:40.640 --> 0:56:43.560
<v Speaker 2>than having war somewhere else. So America's had a lot

0:56:43.560 --> 0:56:47.880
<v Speaker 2>of wars in other places in the last one hundred years,

0:56:47.920 --> 0:56:51.960
<v Speaker 2>but not here. Do you know when the last battle

0:56:52.239 --> 0:56:55.880
<v Speaker 2>was fought on American soil? Like from a like an

0:56:55.920 --> 0:56:58.360
<v Speaker 2>actual military engagement battle?

0:56:59.160 --> 0:57:02.319
<v Speaker 6>I think, I do, what what would it be? Was

0:57:02.360 --> 0:57:03.839
<v Speaker 6>it a state then in Alaska?

0:57:05.080 --> 0:57:06.520
<v Speaker 1>I nope, nope, I don't think.

0:57:06.360 --> 0:57:08.279
<v Speaker 3>That's that's what I was thinking of.

0:57:08.360 --> 0:57:12.280
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, there was, there was an engagement in Alaska Aleutian

0:57:12.320 --> 0:57:16.360
<v Speaker 6>Islands with Russia or something Japan Japanese troops.

0:57:16.560 --> 0:57:20.760
<v Speaker 2>Really Okay, well, there there's probably some caveats. What what

0:57:20.960 --> 0:57:23.560
<v Speaker 2>I learned was the Battle of Wounded Knee in eighteen

0:57:23.680 --> 0:57:27.520
<v Speaker 2>ninety the Sioux Indians. Yeah, I've been there, American American

0:57:27.560 --> 0:57:30.520
<v Speaker 2>government versus the Sioux in eighteen ninety.

0:57:30.760 --> 0:57:34.280
<v Speaker 1>I mean, like that really wasn't that long ago.

0:57:34.360 --> 0:57:38.640
<v Speaker 2>But well, okay, think about you know Osceola spoiler alert,

0:57:38.640 --> 0:57:41.880
<v Speaker 2>he's going to die in eighteen thirty eight on the

0:57:41.920 --> 0:57:43.640
<v Speaker 2>next episode, and.

0:57:44.280 --> 0:57:47.000
<v Speaker 1>He's dead, you know, sixty years later.

0:57:48.120 --> 0:57:52.880
<v Speaker 2>Sixty years later, they're still fighting Native Americans trying to

0:57:53.120 --> 0:57:58.200
<v Speaker 2>drive them out. So point being, Uh, the reason I

0:57:58.200 --> 0:58:01.400
<v Speaker 2>think we we remember of the Indian Wars of the

0:58:01.440 --> 0:58:05.200
<v Speaker 2>West is because they were later when there was photography

0:58:06.000 --> 0:58:07.920
<v Speaker 2>and there was just much more documentation.

0:58:08.040 --> 0:58:10.640
<v Speaker 6>Checked this out. You said that was an eighteen ninety Yeah,

0:58:10.840 --> 0:58:12.520
<v Speaker 6>I was born seventy years later.

0:58:13.360 --> 0:58:17.880
<v Speaker 3>Really, my granddad was born eight.

0:58:17.880 --> 0:58:20.880
<v Speaker 2>Years after that, So you were, you know, a seventy

0:58:20.960 --> 0:58:23.720
<v Speaker 2>year old man or an eighty year old man when

0:58:23.760 --> 0:58:25.640
<v Speaker 2>you were born would have been like, oh yeah, I

0:58:25.680 --> 0:58:27.640
<v Speaker 2>remember the Battle of Wounded and he for real could

0:58:27.680 --> 0:58:28.280
<v Speaker 2>have talked to him.

0:58:28.560 --> 0:58:29.120
<v Speaker 6>Yeah.

0:58:29.280 --> 0:58:31.960
<v Speaker 2>Man, When you start thinking about history like that, it

0:58:32.160 --> 0:58:35.480
<v Speaker 2>really you realize how short life is, or they or

0:58:35.520 --> 0:58:39.439
<v Speaker 2>how short history history is. I mean, we we think

0:58:39.520 --> 0:58:41.440
<v Speaker 2>like the eighteen hundreds of so long ago. Man, it

0:58:41.480 --> 0:58:42.640
<v Speaker 2>was like yesterday, the.

0:58:42.600 --> 0:58:47.000
<v Speaker 3>Last Civil War. Widow just died recently, yea, oh that's right.

0:58:47.080 --> 0:58:48.880
<v Speaker 1>She was real young when she was married.

0:58:48.960 --> 0:58:52.240
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, but I mean, there's your you're still receiving a pension.

0:58:52.480 --> 0:58:57.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's incredible. Yeah, yeah, uh no, but that's a

0:58:57.520 --> 0:58:59.480
<v Speaker 2>good that's a good point. There was a lot of

0:58:59.480 --> 0:59:00.720
<v Speaker 2>fighting going on over here.

0:59:00.800 --> 0:59:02.680
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, it was duking it out everywhere.

0:59:02.920 --> 0:59:05.560
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Kyle, what's that to you?

0:59:05.640 --> 0:59:08.920
<v Speaker 3>Well, the idea of the podcast or your question you

0:59:08.920 --> 0:59:11.640
<v Speaker 3>asked a couple of time is why do they revere

0:59:12.400 --> 0:59:16.240
<v Speaker 3>Osola at the time? Why do we still talk about him?

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<v Speaker 3>And I think that for me what comes through there,

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<v Speaker 3>there's a couple of things. And you know, the deal

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<v Speaker 3>about the treaty, whether he stabbed it or whether he

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<v Speaker 3>waved his knife or whatever he said to the last

0:59:26.840 --> 0:59:29.520
<v Speaker 3>drop of blood, this is it right here. Well, when

0:59:29.520 --> 0:59:31.560
<v Speaker 3>you're that kind of a leader and you have the

0:59:32.000 --> 0:59:34.640
<v Speaker 3>appearance that he had, and they put that kind of

0:59:34.640 --> 0:59:37.920
<v Speaker 3>effort into their appearance, and Indians did that, I mean,

0:59:38.000 --> 0:59:40.320
<v Speaker 3>especially with leader Indians, you know, I mean they wanted

0:59:40.320 --> 0:59:42.959
<v Speaker 3>to look like a strutton, turkey or whatever in the sun.

0:59:43.000 --> 0:59:46.880
<v Speaker 3>They wanted that red. You know. Well, that to me

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<v Speaker 3>is why I think one of the things that he

0:59:49.920 --> 0:59:52.280
<v Speaker 3>was revered at the time, You always revere that kind

0:59:52.280 --> 0:59:55.880
<v Speaker 3>of leader. And I thought to make it full circle.

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<v Speaker 3>My wife is from Osceola County, Iowa. Her dad fought

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<v Speaker 3>in World War Two. His unit, his their crest, regimental

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<v Speaker 3>Crest was to the last man.

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<v Speaker 1>Mmm.

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<v Speaker 3>And there it is, you know, the war. Yeah, the

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<v Speaker 3>warrior hero. You know, it's that doesn't mean everything about

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<v Speaker 3>the person is was, you know, perfect or whatever. But

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<v Speaker 3>when you have that kind of charisma and leadership and

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<v Speaker 3>the ability to lead me in or to take on

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<v Speaker 3>all odds, it's it's always inspiring to people, you know.

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<v Speaker 3>So that's what that's what is it for me?

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<v Speaker 1>What do you guys think about all this stuff?

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<v Speaker 2>Obviously I find it interesting the lore versus what people

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<v Speaker 2>actually think happened. Like, so you got in trouble, well

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<v Speaker 2>with with with the slavery.

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<v Speaker 1>I want to talk about that.

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<v Speaker 3>I think she was too hard on you, but go ahead.

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<v Speaker 2>Well I want to talk about that for sure, but like, uh,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, like talking about like did he stab the

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<v Speaker 2>treaty or not?

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<v Speaker 6>Right?

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I think there's probably a pretty good chance

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<v Speaker 1>he did.

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<v Speaker 2>But there's how much poetic license, you know, I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>he was there, like we know that he had a knife.

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<v Speaker 2>They said that the guy said he did have a knife,

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<v Speaker 2>that he waved around, I mean.

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<v Speaker 1>Justification. So I went on.

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<v Speaker 2>I actually went online and looked at the treaty. You

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<v Speaker 2>can just type it in, is it was it pains treaty.

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<v Speaker 2>You can type it in and see this handwritten treaty.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like nine pages long that some dude just wrote out,

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<v Speaker 2>just put the date on. I mean, you know what,

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<v Speaker 2>I guess they're not going to print.

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<v Speaker 1>They're not going to be like print the treaty.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, so it had to be handwritten obviously, but

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<v Speaker 2>but I mean it's just like you couldn't hardly even

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<v Speaker 2>read it, you know, and it's like it's like given,

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<v Speaker 2>it's like seating, you know, all these millions of acres.

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<v Speaker 1>I I didn't see a hole in it. I thought

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<v Speaker 1>I might see like, oh yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Says I can't read this. It doesn't matter, it's right, you.

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<v Speaker 2>Know, son No, But it's consequential because us, as somebody

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<v Speaker 2>who's interested in history. If you read this book right here,

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<v Speaker 2>which is a good book written by Tom Matt Hatch,

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<v Speaker 2>this is my first book I read, you would one

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<v Speaker 2>percent just think that it was just verified that he

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<v Speaker 2>stabbed a treaty. You would also think that it was

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<v Speaker 2>one hundreds percent black and white. Ostiola was anti slavery

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<v Speaker 2>and was making political gestures about slavery to America with

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<v Speaker 2>his actions. If you read this book, when you read

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<v Speaker 2>doctor Wickman's Ostiola's Legacy Revised Edition, that thing is like

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<v Speaker 2>a hunk of white oak. I mean, this is like

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<v Speaker 2>a this is like dense to the you know, she

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<v Speaker 2>she kind of parses through all that stuff and it's

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<v Speaker 2>like and basically her point about stabbing the treaty is that.

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<v Speaker 1>The guy that the first.

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<v Speaker 2>Time anybody ever wrote about stabbing the treaty was fourteen

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<v Speaker 2>years after the treaty was signed. Nobody came out of

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<v Speaker 2>the meeting and was like fourteen years later when they're

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<v Speaker 2>analyzing it, and you know how they did. Those writers

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<v Speaker 2>back in those days, it's the primary way to communicate

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<v Speaker 2>with the world. There was no television and internet, and

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<v Speaker 2>these guys took a lot. They were very poetic, very

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<v Speaker 2>good writers, took some liberty with stuff. So that's clue

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<v Speaker 2>number one is that fourteen years later is the first

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<v Speaker 2>time that it arises. But then what doctor Wickman says

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<v Speaker 2>is that the one eyewitness account of someone that was

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<v Speaker 2>there that it was documented made no mention of a

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<v Speaker 2>treaty stab.

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<v Speaker 1>So you see what I'm saying. But when you talk

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<v Speaker 1>to Jake, Tiger and.

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<v Speaker 2>Earling, it's pretty it's pretty bold for me to say, like,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if that happened.

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<v Speaker 6>Well, that the witness, you know, he could have had

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<v Speaker 6>a biased opinion about it, Like I ain't going to

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<v Speaker 6>make this guy look at oh sill, forget that guy.

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<v Speaker 6>I ain't going to give you any kind of props

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<v Speaker 6>or anything. He may have just omitted it.

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<v Speaker 3>I need you to take your knife out of the treaty.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but my point is the cultural significance to them

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<v Speaker 2>is so real. Sure, Like I actually wonder if Jake

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<v Speaker 2>and Sterling are upset with me for like bringing it

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<v Speaker 2>to attension that maybe it didn't happen.

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<v Speaker 6>Well, which is the very same reason why they Was

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<v Speaker 6>that eyewitness, uh white or was he a Native American?

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sure it was a white guy.

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<v Speaker 6>So I mean that it would be important for him

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<v Speaker 6>to be looking on the better side of that.

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<v Speaker 3>Frent and I went and interviewed witnesses and had seven statements.

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<v Speaker 3>We might have one that said, oh, yeah, the knife

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<v Speaker 3>was sticking in it, didn't see him do it, But

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<v Speaker 3>you know, it's just gonna be hard to really pin down.

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<v Speaker 5>My friend Brent Reeves says, the best way to get

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<v Speaker 5>conflicting stories is to get to eyewitnesses.

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<v Speaker 1>The same thing.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, one got to be saying, well it was Tuesday,

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<v Speaker 6>it was thirteen minutes ago. Yeah, yeah, it's a different.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I I hope it also came through that regardless

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<v Speaker 2>of whether it happened or it didn't, it didn't matter, right,

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<v Speaker 2>Like it it branded the seminoles with with with it,

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<v Speaker 2>with the kind of this identity that they already had,

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<v Speaker 2>Like it fit the narrative that was true.

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<v Speaker 5>Which may have been that writer's license to make the

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<v Speaker 5>statement if it wasn't true.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, And I mean, and whether he did it or not,

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<v Speaker 2>it's not like, well Osciola was a coward because he

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<v Speaker 2>didn't stab it, Like you see what I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 5>It's like we all know he was brandishing the knife. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 5>and nobody said put that uh yeah yeah, clap that

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<v Speaker 5>guy in irons.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah okay. So yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>The now, this is where I've yet to determine if

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<v Speaker 2>I'm kind of like in trouble or not, because man,

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<v Speaker 2>talking about this stuff is not you tell, there's there's

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<v Speaker 2>risk cultural risk in today's world about talking about race

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<v Speaker 2>and different things like this, and uh fact, well, but

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<v Speaker 2>that's just the thing. Doctor Wickman was adamant of what

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<v Speaker 2>she told me, and I didn't play the whole even

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<v Speaker 2>being fair to doctor Wickman too. We talked about that

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<v Speaker 2>for probably thirty minutes. You guys probably heard six minutes.

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<v Speaker 3>That's what I thought. I thought, she's a little hard

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<v Speaker 3>on you. She's golded you a little bit, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>and then proceeded to tell you how they were culturvated.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, I see what you're saying.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, but I think she wanted to make sure

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<v Speaker 3>the whole story was there, not just some you know, real.

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<v Speaker 1>So you're saying, you're saying.

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<v Speaker 3>They were eventually, I mean, they were living. They said,

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<v Speaker 3>you know that when the Blacks came in, they they

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<v Speaker 3>didn't just readily accept them, but they knew they could

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<v Speaker 3>produce food and so they had a deal with and

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<v Speaker 3>some of them, they talk about some of them would

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<v Speaker 3>fight with them. Well that's a cultureating, right, I said, that,

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<v Speaker 3>isn't that them?

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<v Speaker 6>One hundred percent?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, So I think you were right. It's just that

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<v Speaker 3>you think he maybe didn't what you go on two fasts, what.

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<v Speaker 2>She was trying to stamp out, which she did a

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<v Speaker 2>good job of, which I mean according to her, and

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<v Speaker 2>I trust what she says was that it wasn't like

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<v Speaker 2>a political statement about slavery, because you go to the

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<v Speaker 2>Wikipedia page today for Ostiola and it says Ostiola was

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<v Speaker 2>anti slavery and that's why people liked him, essentially, And

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<v Speaker 2>she was like, no, no, no, no, no no, no, like

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<v Speaker 2>you know that.

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<v Speaker 6>You're going to put something on Wikipedia, right, yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>That doesn't mean much exactly, I'm gonna put a clay

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<v Speaker 2>nukeleman it.

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<v Speaker 1>No.

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<v Speaker 6>It was also left handed, twirl the knife twice. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well so yeah, it kind of got to the

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<v Speaker 1>same place. And I liked her.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't mean I'm not saying anthing against her. I

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<v Speaker 3>just thought, wait a minute, I think it's kind of real.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah yeah, but but again to her credit, I think

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<v Speaker 2>it's easy to take a narrative and Migo Ossio it

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<v Speaker 2>was anti slavery. They assimilated, you know, these these enslaved people,

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<v Speaker 2>formerly enslaved people into their tribes and just made them

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<v Speaker 2>like seminoles.

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<v Speaker 1>And she's like, well, it wasn't not really quite like that,

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<v Speaker 1>even though that's kind of where it got.

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<v Speaker 6>To It wasn't like they was like, oh y'all, come

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<v Speaker 6>on down. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it didn't happen like.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, like you and you think about disenfranchised people

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<v Speaker 2>of that time, these two groups of people were we're

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<v Speaker 2>at the at the bottom of the of the tiered

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<v Speaker 2>system in America. I mean, I don't think the seminoles

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<v Speaker 2>were like, they weren't viewing enslaved people as like a

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<v Speaker 2>group of people that needed to be protected. Right, do

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<v Speaker 2>you see what I'm saying. Yeah, I mean they were.

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<v Speaker 2>They were fighting for their lives to worry about.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's not like they were like, you know what,

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<v Speaker 1>we're going to be charitable.

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<v Speaker 5>Well again again again we're looking at these things through

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<v Speaker 5>our own cultural interpretation. You know, we've talked plenty about

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<v Speaker 5>how we see things you just mentioned about centralized government,

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<v Speaker 5>and the Indians didn't even have a concept of that. I mean,

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<v Speaker 5>we don't know, we don't know how they viewed slavery.

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<v Speaker 5>We don't know how they would have viewed these people

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<v Speaker 5>coming in and in their mind they might have just

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<v Speaker 5>been friend or foe, you know what I mean. It's

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<v Speaker 5>not about not about whether we should assimilate, you know,

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<v Speaker 5>or stand up for your rights as a human. I

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<v Speaker 5>don't know that that was a perspective of the natives

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<v Speaker 5>of the Seminoles at that time.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah yeah, yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Well what what also wasn't disputed was that they owned slaves.

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<v Speaker 1>They owned African slaves, because.

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<v Speaker 5>The Semino it's documented that the owned African slaves. Well,

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<v Speaker 5>I think that's pretty good, pretty good.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, they purchased something purchased.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, I mean because when they when they were

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<v Speaker 2>trying trying to move the trial, and this is where

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<v Speaker 2>I believe that doctor Wickman and and all these other

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<v Speaker 2>guys say it too, but was when they were trying

1:10:21.080 --> 1:10:23.720
<v Speaker 2>to move them to Oklahoma, the United States government was

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<v Speaker 2>buying their livestock, buying different stuff from them to try

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<v Speaker 2>to compensate them for because they were gonna have to

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<v Speaker 2>leave all that stuff there and leave, which is just

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<v Speaker 2>a wild thought, but they were.

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<v Speaker 6>They were.

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<v Speaker 1>There was controversy over what to do with their slaves.

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<v Speaker 2>Because they were like, well, we're not going to pay

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<v Speaker 2>you for a slave that escaped from this guy up

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<v Speaker 2>in Georgia, that that slave, that enslaved person is going

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<v Speaker 2>back to that guy. We're not paying you for something

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<v Speaker 2>that basically was stolen, but they paid.

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<v Speaker 1>For him for somebody I don't know. It's wild, so wild.

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<v Speaker 3>It's never just black and white, cut and dry. It's

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<v Speaker 3>always the z In diagram of some kind. You know,

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<v Speaker 3>there's stuff in here and stuff over here and stuff so,

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<v Speaker 3>which is kind of cool, which is why I appreciate

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<v Speaker 3>you wading in there with these kind of stories, because

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<v Speaker 3>it's the Seminoles history, it's our history, and it's all

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<v Speaker 3>American history. We're all Americans, and the more we know

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<v Speaker 3>how this all went, the better off we are. I think. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>I don't think it's bad at all. Yeah, yeah, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>you take the arrows.

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<v Speaker 2>But well, and the reason I said I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>that I'm not in trouble yet is and I'm kind

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<v Speaker 2>of I don't really think. I don't really mean that,

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<v Speaker 2>but there are And this is what I just don't understand.

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<v Speaker 2>Like we didn't cover the whole topic. I mean, we

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<v Speaker 2>talked about it for like eight minutes, right, so that

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<v Speaker 2>is not the final definitive story on you know, African

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<v Speaker 2>slaves and the Seminoles.

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<v Speaker 1>But there are people that they called the black.

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<v Speaker 2>Seminoles in Florida that I mean, I don't know the

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<v Speaker 2>whole the complexity of the whole story.

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<v Speaker 1>But it's it's very interesting. What bear what stood out

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<v Speaker 1>to you?

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<v Speaker 2>I told you I was gonna yeah, kind of the

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<v Speaker 2>biggest thing that I thought was interesting was whenever you

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<v Speaker 2>were talking about and doctor Wickman was talking about the

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<v Speaker 2>way that they viewed the land, like the part about

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<v Speaker 2>the you know knows the deer.

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<v Speaker 1>That was cool just because.

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<v Speaker 2>That's just not a way that I could ever, Like,

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<v Speaker 2>I can't really imagine being able to think that way,

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<v Speaker 2>to not have a perfect idea in your mind of

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<v Speaker 2>right where you're at on a map, but just to

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<v Speaker 2>kind of have like a general understanding of it.

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<v Speaker 1>But then also the way that.

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<v Speaker 2>They kind of viewed like land ownership, Like you know,

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<v Speaker 2>they kind of viewed the land as like something they

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<v Speaker 2>occupy and more of like a privilege, something to take

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<v Speaker 2>care of, which is just like so far outside of

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<v Speaker 2>my realm of thought.

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<v Speaker 1>Just you know, like when I think of land, I

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<v Speaker 1>think who owns it?

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<v Speaker 2>You know, like it's not an exact it's not a

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<v Speaker 2>there's there's no question of you know, it's like every

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<v Speaker 2>piece of land right now that I could go to

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<v Speaker 2>someone owns. So that was just kind of like whenever

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<v Speaker 2>I tried to think about that and actually think about

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<v Speaker 2>the way that they would have thought about land, it

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<v Speaker 2>was actually like kind of it was difficult to actually

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<v Speaker 2>wrap my right mind around it.

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<v Speaker 6>It was the way you know, I grew up in

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<v Speaker 6>Southeast Arkansas. It was a big timber company owns acres

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<v Speaker 6>and acres and acres that's now least in sectioned off

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<v Speaker 6>when I was a kid. When I was your age

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<v Speaker 6>was not. There was no leasing. You just were hunting

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<v Speaker 6>wherever you wanted to. And that's I get a glimpse

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<v Speaker 6>of how they were looking.

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<v Speaker 1>Because people had kind of territories.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, but you didn't. But everything was you couldn't get

1:13:46.400 --> 1:13:49.479
<v Speaker 6>any there was no recourse. There was no backlash if

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<v Speaker 6>you went somewhere because it was open to everybody. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 6>but it was private land, probably owned by the timber company.

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<v Speaker 6>It's much like going into a WMA. Right now, you know,

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<v Speaker 6>some guy a trigger out beside you. You can't say

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<v Speaker 6>nothing about it. Yeah, but it was along what you're

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<v Speaker 6>talking about there and talking about the cypress tree being

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<v Speaker 6>the first thing they described. You remember that part, yeah,

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<v Speaker 6>where she was taking those pictures down there. Yeah, and

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<v Speaker 6>they immediately recognized that cy tree. That was I thought

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<v Speaker 6>that's where you was going with that. That is so yeah,

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<v Speaker 6>it was really cool.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, the picture I got in my head when you're

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<v Speaker 3>talking about them figuring that out is a couple of

1:14:27.560 --> 1:14:30.840
<v Speaker 3>Indians on the ground drawing it out. I guess they're

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<v Speaker 3>the shape of Florida, you know that. That's how I

1:14:33.800 --> 1:14:35.559
<v Speaker 3>figured they maybe got it in their heads. Or then

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<v Speaker 3>somebody said the those of the deer. It was like

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<v Speaker 3>a deer, yeah or whatever.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but it also made sense like how like whenever

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<v Speaker 2>the Europeans came over, they kind of had this mindset

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<v Speaker 2>of the land just as some sort of you know,

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<v Speaker 2>they kind of had like a utilitarian mindset on just

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<v Speaker 2>like you know, because it wasn't a place that they

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<v Speaker 2>would have lived and grown up in, like whereas the

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<v Speaker 2>Seminoles they would have lived grown up there for generation

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<v Speaker 2>and after generation after generation, so it would have kind

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<v Speaker 2>of been like this land that was it wasn't theirs,

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<v Speaker 2>but it was like, you know, it was just like

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<v Speaker 2>their home, whereas like the Europeans come in its land

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<v Speaker 2>they've never seen before, and so immediately it's just kind

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<v Speaker 2>of like.

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<v Speaker 1>The you know, the utilitarian commodity.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the mindset of like, you know, dividing it up

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<v Speaker 2>who owns it, and it was just a different way

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<v Speaker 2>to think about it.

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<v Speaker 1>And really it makes a lot of sense.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, like if you think about it, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>we're just you know, what gives us the right to

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<v Speaker 2>just like claim a piece of land.

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<v Speaker 6>Durance, it's just ours right now.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it has a cute little phrase about it's just

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<v Speaker 2>our turn.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Leopold said something like that too, but stewardship of

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<v Speaker 3>it for now or something, you know, but it's kind

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<v Speaker 3>of we looked at it as unoccupied. That's the problem.

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<v Speaker 3>That's wild open country.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah. Yeah, wow.

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<v Speaker 1>You know when you think about I've said this before,

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<v Speaker 1>I said it back.

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<v Speaker 2>In the Boon series, but if you if it's pretty

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<v Speaker 2>agreed upon that human civilization started somewhere in the in

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<v Speaker 2>the Middle Eastern area.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, anthropologists.

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<v Speaker 2>Agree with that, the Bible agrees with that, like human

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<v Speaker 2>civilization kind of started like in that part of the world.

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<v Speaker 1>The peopling of America.

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<v Speaker 2>The best understanding that we have today is that that

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<v Speaker 2>humans came into North America from the west, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>from the from the baring Land Bridge.

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<v Speaker 1>And the Kelp Highway.

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<v Speaker 2>Now they're quite certain that it wasn't actually across the

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<v Speaker 2>baring Land Bridge, but came down the Kelp Highway via

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<v Speaker 2>water down the down the western coast and came into

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<v Speaker 2>Washington and the Alaskan Lutian Islands and or the Alexander

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<v Speaker 2>Archipelago islands point being Native Americans came from. If they start,

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<v Speaker 2>if humans kind of like started in the Middle East,

1:16:59.640 --> 1:17:05.480
<v Speaker 2>some people people went into Asia, some people went into Europe,

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<v Speaker 2>and thousands and thousands and thousands of years later they

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<v Speaker 2>went opposite ways on the globe. And then they met

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<v Speaker 2>again for the for the first time in Florida. I

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<v Speaker 2>mean this, Yeah, I mean, so so these humans that

1:17:25.360 --> 1:17:29.160
<v Speaker 2>were the same species that had been separated for time

1:17:29.200 --> 1:17:33.080
<v Speaker 2>that we can't really understand, and but they were both humans,

1:17:33.160 --> 1:17:36.960
<v Speaker 2>and they had these different ideas of what it meant

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<v Speaker 2>to be human. And that would be a great example

1:17:39.040 --> 1:17:43.400
<v Speaker 2>land Like somehow the Europeans, you know, probably because of

1:17:43.439 --> 1:17:50.280
<v Speaker 2>civilization or because of this technology and there was more agriculture,

1:17:50.320 --> 1:17:52.280
<v Speaker 2>they were building cities, they were you.

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<v Speaker 1>Think maybe like higher population densities.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, for sure, higher population densities. And and then

1:18:01.000 --> 1:18:02.559
<v Speaker 2>and so they were like, hey, we got we got

1:18:02.600 --> 1:18:04.160
<v Speaker 2>to figure out who owns this land. We're going to

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<v Speaker 2>draw lines on a map. We're going to make a map.

1:18:06.760 --> 1:18:08.800
<v Speaker 2>We're gonna have lines, and people are going to be

1:18:08.800 --> 1:18:12.600
<v Speaker 2>able to buy. You know, they they formulated this complex

1:18:12.680 --> 1:18:16.320
<v Speaker 2>system of land ownership and this ideology about land and

1:18:16.680 --> 1:18:21.200
<v Speaker 2>how humans interacted with it. And then you know, these

1:18:21.200 --> 1:18:24.679
<v Speaker 2>people that were here in North America, you know, especially

1:18:24.720 --> 1:18:28.080
<v Speaker 2>early on, it would have been this vast, unpeopled continent,

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<v Speaker 2>and they developed doctrines and ways they thought about anyway,

1:18:32.479 --> 1:18:35.120
<v Speaker 2>and then all of a sudden they collided. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>it's interesting. That's very simplified, but it's it's interesting. Yeah, Josh,

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<v Speaker 2>what will end with?

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<v Speaker 5>I thought that was really interesting. But one of the

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<v Speaker 5>things that I always appreciate is getting to hear straight

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<v Speaker 5>from seminoles, you know what I mean, when we have

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<v Speaker 5>a topic to speak to someone who's in indigenous and

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<v Speaker 5>and uh, you know, I appreciated what what Jake Tiger

1:19:03.439 --> 1:19:07.960
<v Speaker 5>had to share about about Osciola not being a chief.

1:19:08.000 --> 1:19:10.960
<v Speaker 5>I think that's a common common thing that we think

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<v Speaker 5>about that if they're a leader. There what.

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<v Speaker 1>Analogy?

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<v Speaker 5>I thought it was effective. I thought it was it

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<v Speaker 5>was a good, good, u good analogy. But you know,

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<v Speaker 5>just thinking about about who Osciola was to be able

1:19:25.720 --> 1:19:31.000
<v Speaker 5>to draw in and to fill people with with vision

1:19:31.200 --> 1:19:33.040
<v Speaker 5>of what what they're going to do. That's what made

1:19:33.120 --> 1:19:35.400
<v Speaker 5>him a leader, not because he had a title or

1:19:35.439 --> 1:19:37.680
<v Speaker 5>a birthright, but really because of who he was and

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<v Speaker 5>his ability to fight and his ability to draw people in.

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<v Speaker 5>I thought that was really interesting. What what what Jake

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<v Speaker 5>Tiger had to share about?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So we're we're trying to get Sterling hard Joe to

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<v Speaker 2>come on the next render. Cool that we do so

1:19:53.240 --> 1:19:56.120
<v Speaker 2>Sterling he's a busy guy in a in a in

1:19:56.240 --> 1:19:59.080
<v Speaker 2>a of he's got a lot going on in his life,

1:19:59.400 --> 1:20:01.479
<v Speaker 2>but he's probably going to be here with us, which

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<v Speaker 2>would be really cool. I would have had all those

1:20:03.439 --> 1:20:06.160
<v Speaker 2>guys on every render if they could have come. You know,

1:20:06.200 --> 1:20:11.000
<v Speaker 2>it's just hard to get get people here. But the

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<v Speaker 2>next episode, I'm really excited about it because it's just

1:20:17.400 --> 1:20:20.280
<v Speaker 2>if you think this is interesting, I think this next

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<v Speaker 2>one is even going to be more interesting in a way.

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<v Speaker 2>Oscio Oscillo is going to die. Oh and he died.

1:20:30.000 --> 1:20:34.280
<v Speaker 2>He dies in an American prison in South Carolina, and

1:20:34.600 --> 1:20:40.040
<v Speaker 2>uh where the whole podcast is about his death and

1:20:40.680 --> 1:20:47.720
<v Speaker 2>about doctor Patricia Wickman, who spent a good portion of

1:20:47.760 --> 1:20:52.000
<v Speaker 2>her career searching for Osilo's.

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<v Speaker 6>Head bum bum bumb.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, like, it's pretty fascinating, pretty fascinating.

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<v Speaker 6>Up, I'm listening, just can't wait.

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<v Speaker 5>Absolutely, it's gonna be a good one.

1:21:04.840 --> 1:21:07.000
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, been good so far.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, thanks guys, anything else, Josh, we're supposed to talk, I.

1:21:12.080 --> 1:21:13.800
<v Speaker 5>Don't think so. Just be on the lookout for that

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<v Speaker 5>Bear Grease Hall of Fame.

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<v Speaker 1>Ah, Bear Grease Hall of Fame. It's gonna be going

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<v Speaker 1>so good.

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<v Speaker 2>Yep, I'm going to I'm going to Kansas, like right now,

1:21:23.560 --> 1:21:26.679
<v Speaker 2>like when y'all. I mean, I probably won't even say.

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<v Speaker 1>Bye to y'alla.

1:21:27.600 --> 1:21:28.400
<v Speaker 6>Climb out the window.

1:21:28.800 --> 1:21:31.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm probably gonna climb out the window. So we're

1:21:31.840 --> 1:21:37.240
<v Speaker 2>recording this on October thirtieth, Tomorrow is Halloween, and there's

1:21:37.280 --> 1:21:40.679
<v Speaker 2>a big front coming tonight, and I'm going to Kansas

1:21:40.680 --> 1:21:42.760
<v Speaker 2>bow hunting. I got a Kansas boy that reminds me

1:21:42.880 --> 1:21:45.000
<v Speaker 2>I better bring my dad come Kansas tag.

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<v Speaker 1>I was gonna I was gonna run off and leave that.

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<v Speaker 6>Daniel Boone had two wives.

1:21:57.240 --> 1:21:59.880
<v Speaker 2>Keep the wild places wild because that's where the bears live.

1:22:00.000 --> 1:22:01.120
<v Speaker 1>Boone only had one wife.

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<v Speaker 2>Doubtful he cortered her at the cherry at the cherry

1:22:05.439 --> 1:22:06.760
<v Speaker 2>tree when they were fourteen.

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<v Speaker 1>Man, come on, he would have never cheated on him.

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<v Speaker 1>Cut that off.