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Speaker 1: My name is Clay Nukleman.

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Speaker 2: This is a production of the bear Grease podcast called

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Speaker 2: The Bear Grease Render where we render down, dive deeper,

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Speaker 2: and look behind the scenes of the actual bear Grease

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Speaker 2: podcast presented by f h F Gear, American Maid, purpose

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Speaker 2: built hunting and fishing gear that's designed to be as

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Speaker 2: rugged as the place.

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Speaker 1: As we explore, we have got a lot to cover today,

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Speaker 1: Fellas and lady.

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Speaker 2: We've put off a very important thing that needs to

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Speaker 2: happen in the bear grease world that hadn't happened in

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Speaker 2: a long time. We're not doing it today, but I

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Speaker 2: want to talk about it today.

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Speaker 1: So it's so important that we have to plan this

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Speaker 1: and I want, I want.

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Speaker 2: Uh, Well, there's a couple of reasons why we haven't

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Speaker 2: done it yet, but it's it's going to be spurred

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Speaker 2: on by this picture. This is a picture of Granny Henderson.

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Speaker 2: This These are the photos that were in National Geographic

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Speaker 2: in nineteen seventy seven.

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Speaker 3: I looked those up after you mentioned them.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and so I had these frame to put here

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Speaker 2: in the in the office.

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Speaker 1: But in the next month we're going.

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Speaker 2: To do a bear Grease induction into the Hall of Fame.

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Speaker 2: There's not been a not I'm not saying she's going

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Speaker 2: to be on it.

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Speaker 4: She should be.

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Speaker 5: She it's just I smell a nomination.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there there might be a little foreshadowy in there.

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Speaker 2: But think about the last time we did an induction

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Speaker 2: was at least a year and.

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Speaker 1: A half ago.

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Speaker 2: Brand because yeah, because when you have a Hall of Fame,

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Speaker 2: you can't just let every little TICKI tack Joe Schmoe

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Speaker 2: you talk about be in the Hall of Fame.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, like somebody passes away or if you retire from baseball,

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Speaker 6: is like five years before you can vote on them

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Speaker 6: going in. So it's not emotional. Emotional, you got to

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Speaker 6: look at the merit, right.

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Speaker 2: So, so it's been a long time and we're actually

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Speaker 2: gonna we're building a plaque that's gonna have brass plates

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Speaker 2: on it. It's gonna say Bear Grease Hall of Fame.

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Speaker 6: Like this one that says my name.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's gonna have all the inducteems for five years.

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Speaker 2: It's gonna have inductees and under the inductee's name, I

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Speaker 2: would like to put the years they were alive and

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Speaker 2: if they're still alive today, which we have multiple Bargrease

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Speaker 2: Hall of Famers that are still alive today.

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Speaker 1: You know we'll leave that open. We won't.

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Speaker 2: James Lawrence, Roy Clark, Warner Glenn, who's like eighty nine

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Speaker 2: I think now still will still ranching, still.

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Speaker 1: Ranching down there. So but I want you to be

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Speaker 1: thinking about it.

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Speaker 2: So, Brent, I want you to be thinking about I'll

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Speaker 2: tell you where we stopped. We stopped when we got

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Speaker 2: to Davy Crockett. So the members of the current members

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Speaker 2: of the Bear Grease Hall of Fame, just so you

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Speaker 2: kind of get the idea of who's in it is.

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Speaker 2: Daniel Boone. James Lawrence was actually the first. I'm going

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Speaker 2: to call James Lawrence the first. James is my friend

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Speaker 2: in Arkansas backwoodsman still alive, Roy Clark, who is a

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Speaker 2: plot breeder, bear hunter extraordinariy over in East Tennessee.

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Speaker 1: Roy Clark.

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Speaker 2: I don't even want to tell people how many bears

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Speaker 2: he's been responsible for killing, not because it's illegal, because

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Speaker 2: like when you hear about like like guys killing you know,

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Speaker 2: like five hundred bears in their lifetime.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I can tell you that Roy Clarks killed a

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Speaker 2: That was within like two weeks ago and I asked

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Speaker 2: him and another guy that was with us, and they.

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Speaker 1: Didn't even have a number.

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Speaker 2: And it's not it's not just ones that he pulled

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and his dog's treat. So okay, I'm sorry.

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Speaker 2: Daniel Boone, Roy Clark, James, Lawrence Warner, Glenn Frederick Gerstacker,

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Speaker 2: the the Arkansas well, he was a German bear hunter

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Speaker 2: came to Arkansas, yeaher and Gershtalker was the first, well,

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Speaker 2: the fourth. The third episode of bear Grease was called

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Speaker 2: Death of a Bear Hunter. People still talk about that.

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Speaker 2: That's the one Joe Rogan talked about. Yeah, and uh,

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Speaker 2: and it was all about Frederick Gerstchuker and so Gershtalker.

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Speaker 2: One that you may have forgotten but is very well

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Speaker 2: He passed away a month after I interviewed him, at

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Speaker 2: the age of ninety two. And he killed the two

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Speaker 2: just a he'llbilly but but just like I just loved

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Speaker 2: him and just it was just the epitome like, I'll

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Speaker 6: Wasn't he the one that pointed you towards.

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Speaker 2: Guards, right, He's the one who told me where he

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Speaker 2: believed Erskine was Firskin And I want to I'm kind

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Speaker 6: You know.

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump does the weave. They say that's what he

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Speaker 6: Talked, Well, no, no, he the tapestry.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, there's a new thing that he's so

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Speaker 2: I'm kind of doing that. But Orley Provence when me

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Speaker 2: and Mo Shepherd basically communicated with him, he said, I'll

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Speaker 2: tell you where it is, but don't tell anybody else

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Speaker 2: because there's a place that or hunted. It was like

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Speaker 2: a good hunting spot. And so I said, great, I

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Speaker 2: promise and I've held that promise. People asked me all

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Speaker 2: the time where it's at, even to the point of

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Speaker 2: someone writing a book wanted to include it as a

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Speaker 2: destination in this like American big American book of Destinations

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Speaker 2: and was going to do this big rite up on

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Speaker 2: And they came to me and were certain that I

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Speaker 2: how about the.

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Speaker 5: I just said, and take a left.

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Speaker 2: Well, I just said, I said, I promised a dead

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Speaker 1: Tell where it's at, so that province is in there.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and he did.

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Speaker 6: Yeah. I remember that man.

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Speaker 2: Youngest son, and his brothers were at war and his

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Speaker 6: And and im we raised tomatas man. I really had

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Speaker 2: A story that stands out in my mind that or

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Speaker 2: he told me was he said one day he and

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Speaker 1: The light, like, hey, who are you?

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Speaker 6: What's going on?

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Speaker 2: I mean, this is way out where nobody should be

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Speaker 2: who you are, I'm gonna shoot your light. Like they

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Speaker 2: the light. But it ended up being the reflection of

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Speaker 6: Know was there.

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Speaker 2: I remember him, I remember him saying that, So, okay,

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Speaker 2: where are we at. We've been weaving, We've we've we've

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Speaker 2: got James Lawrence, Roy Clark. Uh no, no, no, no, we

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Speaker 5: You got a couple more than Warner Glen uh Cumsa.

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Speaker 2: T Cumsa, Sean Eleander Comsa, Holt Collier, which was the

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Speaker 2: Mississippi Bear Hunter killed three thousand bears guided Teddy Roosevelt.

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Speaker 1: People talk about that episode all the time and.

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Speaker 5: One of my personal favorites George mcgonkin.

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Speaker 1: And George mcjenkin who discovered this.

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Speaker 6: George the last one or was the last one?

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Speaker 5: I think Tacumsa was the last one.

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Speaker 1: To Compsa was the last one. So that was a

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Speaker 3: That was going to be my nomination.

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Speaker 2: We've had We've had a Granny Henderson, We've had a

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Speaker 2: Barry Tarleton over in East Tennessee, the Moonshine and uh

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Speaker 4: So are you making nominations?

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Speaker 2: Are you?

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Speaker 6: Well?

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Speaker 2: Once we get the regulars, we're gonna get dad back

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Speaker 2: up here, Gary Neukomb, and we have all the regulars here.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna put it on the table for nominations.

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Speaker 7: But you're kind of you're kind of hinting right now,

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Speaker 7: hinting yet who you want us to.

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Speaker 1: Well, I don't know, No, I mean need discuss this.

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Speaker 2: We need to discuss this, because we really need to

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Speaker 2: discuss like, what are the qualities of a Burger's Hall

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Speaker 2: of Fame?

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Speaker 6: Well, does it have to be someone that is that

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Speaker 6: we've thought there's been an episode on Oh yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's got I mean, that's that. That is

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Speaker 2: a qualification.

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Speaker 7: Just have like a friend from high school, that Joe Dalton.

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Speaker 6: He was a good buddy squirrel.

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Speaker 2: You sure liked the podcast. I think we put him

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Speaker 2: in the hall. That's That's so Berger's Hall Fame coming up.

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Speaker 2: This is serious, Okay, the oh I was gonna I

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Speaker 2: was gonna tell everybody. You remember Miles Malone from the

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Speaker 2: Deer Stories episode the the branch full of acrons fell

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Speaker 2: sell you your plan I wouldn't have to go, so

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Speaker 2: he would have known that that buck was there before that. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: Altrie listened to that and they were like this this

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Speaker 1: We got this guy. They sent him a camera, which

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Speaker 1: which I thought was cool. I thought it was very cool.

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Speaker 2: Always great to have you. And Brent spent a week

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Speaker 6: It was good.

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Speaker 1: Well I'm not. I'm not. These people are the nicest

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Speaker 1: I'm not alienating.

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Speaker 6: Don't look at me, Paul, I don't know you.

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Speaker 6: That but it wasn't rude. It was grandmother me. Well,

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Speaker 6: I don't think it's antagonistic. I just it's just giving

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Speaker 5: I get that work.

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Speaker 1: Well, No, I love it down there. I love those people.

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Speaker 1: Our real guest of the day is Kyle Man. You

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Speaker 5: Not retired, but former state trooper.

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Speaker 3: Actually the thing that's on the eastle that's been on

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Speaker 3: I was trying to put a couple of long runners

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Speaker 2: That was like a very realistic painting of a big buck.

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Speaker 2: You're working on that back there. Yeah, I'm working on

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Speaker 2: Thanks here, Hey Misty, Okay, so did you hear my

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Speaker 7: If they were there America, if they were there, if

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Speaker 7: There's a well, very well documented process that Josh was.

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Speaker 7: They call it the brain all four years, all four years.

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Speaker 5: The fourth grade, a fourth grade, fourth fourth grade.

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Speaker 3: In print and what's going on in their life too,

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Speaker 2: biopiece here years Okay, so nine would have been from

448
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Speaker 2: seventy five to nineteen seventy nine.

449
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Speaker 1: I was born in nineteen seventy nine.

450
00:22:37,480 --> 00:22:37,960
Speaker 6: I was hitting.

451
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Speaker 1: You could have been my father.

452
00:22:41,040 --> 00:22:41,880
Speaker 5: You were old enough.

453
00:22:43,640 --> 00:22:44,960
Speaker 1: That's not that's not true.

454
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Speaker 6: Your ground, oh man. I was hitting home runs at

455
00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:51,200
Speaker 6: the wide little league field. Hmm.

456
00:22:51,440 --> 00:22:54,440
Speaker 1: Did y'all know that Brent played like one season of

457
00:22:54,520 --> 00:22:55,200
Speaker 1: college football.

458
00:22:55,480 --> 00:22:55,959
Speaker 4: I didn't.

459
00:22:56,000 --> 00:22:58,240
Speaker 6: I did not know that. I didn't wear it was.

460
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Speaker 1: At least that's why I cover his backstory.

461
00:23:01,240 --> 00:23:04,679
Speaker 6: It was last year. It was Boise, Idaho. It's cold

462
00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:06,760
Speaker 6: Henderson State University.

463
00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:09,280
Speaker 1: You know that's where Gary Nuklan went to college.

464
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Speaker 6: I did. I saw a plaque. There's a rocket chair there,

465
00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:18,080
Speaker 6: just like this, got Gary Nictom's name here.

466
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Speaker 8: A lot of.

467
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Speaker 6: None of which the the that that formative time, especially

468
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Speaker 6: when she said that, when you've talked about that now,

469
00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:33,639
Speaker 6: I think about you know, I didn't have the I

470
00:23:33,680 --> 00:23:38,000
Speaker 6: had a wonderful childhood, but some children have issues, and

471
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Speaker 6: I can remember during that time having issues growing up,

472
00:23:42,359 --> 00:23:45,359
Speaker 6: behavioral issues where I was well, I wouldn't mean, I

473
00:23:45,400 --> 00:23:49,879
Speaker 6: was mischievous and that has I'm still that still the

474
00:23:49,920 --> 00:23:52,479
Speaker 6: same way, you know it was. I wasn't trying to

475
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Speaker 6: make anybody mad or hurt anybody, but I was playing,

476
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Speaker 6: which you know I played. I'm fifty eight years old

477
00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:04,520
Speaker 6: and I've interrupted you three times being a kid, that's right,

478
00:24:04,800 --> 00:24:09,040
Speaker 6: still being a kid, you know. So I see where

479
00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:11,399
Speaker 6: that has a lot of correlation. There's got to be

480
00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:13,399
Speaker 6: a lot of alidity to that, you know.

481
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Speaker 1: I think about the even.

482
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Speaker 2: And we talk about like recruiting kids into the outdoors

483
00:24:21,320 --> 00:24:23,080
Speaker 2: and like when to start, and there's a lot of

484
00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:26,280
Speaker 2: there's a lot of laws like in Arkansas, like you

485
00:24:26,320 --> 00:24:28,640
Speaker 2: can a kid can hunt when they're six years old,

486
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Speaker 2: actually hunt, but in a lot of other states they

487
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Speaker 2: can't even hunt until they're.

488
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Speaker 1: Like twelve, yeah, which which is surprising to me.

489
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Speaker 6: It was, but.

490
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Speaker 2: I think I was, yeah, six, and that was just

491
00:24:41,359 --> 00:24:43,480
Speaker 2: changed a few years ago. There was no law, and

492
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Speaker 2: I think like two year old started like checking in there.

493
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Speaker 6: Oh yeah, you'd see dear pictures of during youth weekend.

494
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Speaker 6: There's three year old sitting up.

495
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Speaker 1: There a big book.

496
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Speaker 4: Six month old can't hold its head up.

497
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Speaker 3: That's well the last book, Yeah, and you really can't

498
00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:07,200
Speaker 3: go interrogate a three year old. Yeah, nice buy.

499
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Speaker 2: Well, okay, so talking about hunting, and so I would

500
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Speaker 2: I would have been nine to thirteen, between like nineteen

501
00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:18,479
Speaker 2: eighty eight, nineteen ninety two or something, which was the

502
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Speaker 2: which was the beginning of the American whitetail industrial complex.

503
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Speaker 1: Just let that sink in for a minute.

504
00:25:28,359 --> 00:25:29,159
Speaker 6: You just make that up.

505
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Speaker 2: I've heard my friend Steve Vernelli say that phrase before,

506
00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:37,000
Speaker 2: but he's and I think he's the one that made

507
00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:40,040
Speaker 2: it up. But basically, when white tails became big business,

508
00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:44,879
Speaker 2: that's when it's not the North America white tail started

509
00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:47,399
Speaker 2: in like the late seventies, but in the nineties is

510
00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:49,960
Speaker 2: when it just like blew up. That's when that's when

511
00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:57,399
Speaker 2: videoso vhs. That's when Will Primos, Nightinghale, the Druris, Dan Fitzgerald,

512
00:25:58,119 --> 00:26:01,800
Speaker 2: all the people started coming on the scene. That's when

513
00:26:02,119 --> 00:26:07,679
Speaker 2: hunting TV started like blowing up more and so in

514
00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:12,080
Speaker 2: then in that period a time, like I just became

515
00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:16,919
Speaker 2: super infatuated with like watching all the stuff and hunting,

516
00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:20,040
Speaker 2: you know, and it just it almost feels like it

517
00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:22,159
Speaker 2: could it could never leave, you know.

518
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Speaker 7: But interesting, Yeah, it is kind of interesting if you

519
00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:27,640
Speaker 7: look at the all the guys like Bill Gates, Uh,

520
00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:30,879
Speaker 7: Steve Jobs, all the guys that got big in tech.

521
00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:33,720
Speaker 7: They had access to computers at that when they were

522
00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:36,280
Speaker 7: really young at their schools, and most schools didn't have

523
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Speaker 7: them at that age, and they were the ones that

524
00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:40,560
Speaker 7: went on, yeah, to be early developers. So it's kind

525
00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:44,440
Speaker 7: of like you guys with at that crucial period. But

526
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Speaker 7: but I think what's kind of cool about the human

527
00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:48,960
Speaker 7: brain is that you actually can still learn stuff even

528
00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:51,399
Speaker 7: if you didn't get exposed to at that period. It's

529
00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:55,879
Speaker 7: and thinking about Osceola, you know, he he was really

530
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Speaker 7: exposed to these these stories when he was younger, younger

531
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Speaker 7: than that time period. But it's not like everything when

532
00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:04,400
Speaker 7: you're younger goes away. It's just the things that are

533
00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:08,080
Speaker 7: not reinforced during that age period. And so it's clear

534
00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:10,280
Speaker 7: that that was a he was a big key figure

535
00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:13,199
Speaker 7: in his life even still through that time that that

536
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Speaker 7: kind of allowed him.

537
00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:17,880
Speaker 1: To Josh, let's do the trivia. Let's let's just jump

538
00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:18,800
Speaker 1: right into trivia.

539
00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:22,920
Speaker 4: Okay, So I am not going to do well trivia.

540
00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:26,439
Speaker 2: I have some I have a few questions. Josh has

541
00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:29,800
Speaker 2: a few questions, but I'm not going to participate, but.

542
00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:31,040
Speaker 5: No, I want you to participate.

543
00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:33,119
Speaker 1: Oh you want me to participate? Okay, Well here's how

544
00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:33,760
Speaker 1: it's gonna work.

545
00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:34,720
Speaker 4: Is that even fair?

546
00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:36,280
Speaker 1: It's like Kevin, Yeah, I don't think it.

547
00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:39,720
Speaker 5: I don't think it's Well, maybe at least you you participate.

548
00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:43,280
Speaker 5: It's the last We're gonna get some boards so we

549
00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:47,680
Speaker 5: can write answers down because I don't like this everybody

550
00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:51,800
Speaker 5: just blurting things out where everybody can write, write something down.

551
00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:54,160
Speaker 5: So next, next, So so what are the rules?

552
00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:56,760
Speaker 1: Then let's very quickly. We don't need to belabor it.

553
00:27:57,080 --> 00:27:59,639
Speaker 5: Okay. What I want is I want for everybody to

554
00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:03,720
Speaker 5: answer and be honest. Don't just say it, okay, don't

555
00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:07,000
Speaker 5: change Yeah, don't change your answer as if you wrote

556
00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:10,240
Speaker 5: it down, and we'll just keep it keep track of

557
00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:10,920
Speaker 5: who gets.

558
00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:13,840
Speaker 3: So okay, I'm asking for Brent mostly, But what if

559
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Speaker 3: we don't have an answer, then I'm just saying, you know,

560
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Speaker 3: I'm not saying that I always pick c.

561
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Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, Josh, let's just move through pretty quick. Let's

562
00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:24,359
Speaker 2: not take a lot of a lot of time.

563
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Speaker 5: But okay, number one, when did the seminole Wars start

564
00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:30,600
Speaker 5: and end?

565
00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:37,960
Speaker 2: Bear ended in seventeen sixty three.

566
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Speaker 3: Oh gosh, that was the Prench in Indian War.

567
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Speaker 1: I remember when it started. Eight Okay, well he didn't

568
00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:48,640
Speaker 1: answer the whole question when they started.

569
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Speaker 3: In, Yeah, it did.

570
00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:52,080
Speaker 4: I think we got to raise our hand if we

571
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Speaker 4: know the answer.

572
00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:53,920
Speaker 3: Okay, that'd be better.

573
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Speaker 6: Numbers. Yeah, okay, Brent, what is it eighteen seventeen? In

574
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Speaker 6: eighteen eighteen?

575
00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:01,760
Speaker 1: Well, I mean that's when it started.

576
00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:02,880
Speaker 5: That's when it started.

577
00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:06,240
Speaker 6: When did it end? Oh eighteen twenty three? No, I don't,

578
00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:07,160
Speaker 6: I just forkid.

579
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Speaker 1: It started in?

580
00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:12,160
Speaker 2: There were a couple basically between eighteen seventeen and eighteen nineteen.

581
00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:14,480
Speaker 2: It started, but it ended in eighteen fifty eight.

582
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Speaker 6: I can start in eighteen seventeen eighteen, between eighteen.

583
00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:21,880
Speaker 2: Like there's like when it started. As actually you hear

584
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Speaker 2: people say to the.

585
00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:27,840
Speaker 5: Podcast, it started in eighteen seventeen ended eighteen. These are

586
00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:30,280
Speaker 5: all derived from the podcast. So we're going on, what

587
00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:34,240
Speaker 5: the number two? Raise your hand? If you know the answer,

588
00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:36,080
Speaker 5: howld old on, let me.

589
00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:38,960
Speaker 1: Let me let's let's let's yeah, let's go through this

590
00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:41,360
Speaker 1: pretty quick. It was already raised no, no, no, no, no.

591
00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:45,840
Speaker 5: Forty one year four forty one years.

592
00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:48,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, how long has the as the U

593
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Speaker 2: was the US in Afghanistan twenty twenty yep, I mean

594
00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:56,200
Speaker 2: world war World War one was four years, World War

595
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Speaker 2: two was.

596
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Speaker 1: Six, Vietnam was twelve or ten.

597
00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:03,360
Speaker 3: Who knows, depending on when you It.

598
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Speaker 6: Ended in seventy two, and it's kind of conjecture on

599
00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:06,680
Speaker 6: when it really started.

600
00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:10,480
Speaker 1: See that's just like the start. Yeah, but forty one

601
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Speaker 1: years of war, I mean that's like massive. That's okay,

602
00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:16,160
Speaker 1: all right, good job.

603
00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:19,200
Speaker 5: Question number two. Raise your hand if you know the answer.

604
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Speaker 5: How much were the seminole people paid for the twenty

605
00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:27,920
Speaker 5: eight million acres annexed by the US per acre? Nope,

606
00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:31,120
Speaker 5: not per acre. That's all I got that And that

607
00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:35,640
Speaker 5: answer was less than not a full So be honest

608
00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:36,760
Speaker 5: with your Okay.

609
00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:39,680
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go two hundred and twenty one thousand.

610
00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:43,640
Speaker 3: I'm a less than if you won't accept the lesson

611
00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:45,040
Speaker 3: a cent an acre.

612
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Speaker 6: Yeah, I think it was. I'm twenty one thousand, is

613
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Speaker 6: what I'm thinking in my head.

614
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Speaker 4: I was thinking two hundred and eighteen.

615
00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:55,600
Speaker 5: The answer is Baron Newcomb two hundred and.

616
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Speaker 2: So what was astonishing about that? And it's hard to

617
00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:05,120
Speaker 2: it's it's when you're talk about money from that far back,

618
00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:05,840
Speaker 2: it is hard.

619
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Speaker 1: Obviously it was going to be a lot less.

620
00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:13,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, but they paid like a sixty third of a

621
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Speaker 2: cent per acre, which.

622
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Speaker 1: Even back which back then was not a lot of money.

623
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Speaker 6: Yeah. No, here's a contrast. I got a podcast coming

624
00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:26,800
Speaker 6: out Friday. I don't know when this is coming out,

625
00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:29,320
Speaker 6: but anyway, on the one that I'm talking about, there's

626
00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:33,120
Speaker 6: a guy that tried to barter a section of land

627
00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:38,720
Speaker 6: for fourteen deer dogs. And you figured that out today.

628
00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:41,720
Speaker 6: It was over two hundred thousand dollars for fourteen dogs.

629
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Speaker 4: Wow wow.

630
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Speaker 6: And they gave those folks less than a cent wow

631
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Speaker 6: for an acre. Yeah.

632
00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:50,240
Speaker 3: And then then they renigged on that trick.

633
00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:53,080
Speaker 2: Yeah you know right, Oh yeah, yeah, that was that

634
00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:55,760
Speaker 2: was the astonishing part of that is that they they

635
00:31:55,760 --> 00:31:59,120
Speaker 2: made this, they made this treaty, which not all of

636
00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:03,360
Speaker 2: the Muskogie creeks, I mean they they didn't agree to it.

637
00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:05,200
Speaker 1: There were just some people there.

638
00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:06,840
Speaker 6: Here, this is what we're going to do.

639
00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:10,440
Speaker 2: And and and there were, as I understand it, some

640
00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:13,400
Speaker 2: Muskogie creeks creeks that that did sign it. But that

641
00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:15,240
Speaker 2: doesn't mean that all of them did. And they didn't

642
00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:18,200
Speaker 2: have a centralized government, you know, so the the Americans

643
00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:22,520
Speaker 2: just were coming from this like European mentality of centralized government.

644
00:32:22,520 --> 00:32:25,080
Speaker 2: There's presidents and leaders that speak for the people.

645
00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:27,400
Speaker 1: But they did not.

646
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Speaker 2: I mean, it's like their way of governing was just

647
00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:34,440
Speaker 2: so different. And then so they agreed to it, and uh.

648
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Speaker 6: But then it was revoked.

649
00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:35,920
Speaker 1: Yeah.

650
00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:39,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then like six years later they're like, tell

651
00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:42,760
Speaker 2: you what, never forget that, forget that fourth out. You know,

652
00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:46,520
Speaker 2: four million acres, which was peanuts even then, but a

653
00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:49,320
Speaker 2: four million acre reservation that the seminoles were supposed to

654
00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:51,440
Speaker 2: stay on. They were like, hey, we're going to take

655
00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:53,320
Speaker 2: that to you' all, go on to Oklahoma.

656
00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:59,959
Speaker 5: Crazy, Okay. Question number three, according to doctor Wickman, approximately

657
00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:02,840
Speaker 5: how many seminoles were believed to be in Florida at

658
00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:05,040
Speaker 5: the highest point in the early part of the worst.

659
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Speaker 4: Raise your hand if you know the answer, look at it,

660
00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:10,960
Speaker 4: Old Baron new what is it.

661
00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:13,479
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say, five thousand, five thousand.

662
00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:17,200
Speaker 5: The answer is five thousand.

663
00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:20,280
Speaker 1: What were you doing between the ages of nine and thirteen?

664
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Speaker 1: I was mosy around.

665
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Speaker 6: He was.

666
00:33:27,520 --> 00:33:34,360
Speaker 5: Okay. Question number four described Osceola as five foot eight

667
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Speaker 5: inches high with a manly frank and open countenance.

668
00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:42,600
Speaker 1: The guy's name. The other guy's name, Oh man, I

669
00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:44,480
Speaker 1: may know his first name, but I don't. I don't

670
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Speaker 1: remember his full name.

671
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Speaker 2: Okay, John Sprague, Okay, I'm gonna.

672
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna you didn't even give us a chance.

673
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Speaker 5: You didn't know nobody had nobody had it.

674
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Speaker 2: Well, see, now I'm gonna critique, like does show Rinella

675
00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:04,920
Speaker 2: does on his program that he's in charge of that,

676
00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:08,320
Speaker 2: he's in charge of the ratings for it and charging

677
00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:10,680
Speaker 2: whether a successful or fails.

678
00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:12,359
Speaker 1: He gets to talk about it.

679
00:34:12,640 --> 00:34:16,759
Speaker 2: See that that question was such a tertiary question, Like

680
00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:23,000
Speaker 2: nobody cares what that guy's name was, But trivia has

681
00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:26,719
Speaker 2: gotta have some tinge of like fun to it.

682
00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:28,319
Speaker 1: Okay, that was not fun.

683
00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:33,200
Speaker 5: What was the name of the Indian agent that Osceola assassinated?

684
00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:34,000
Speaker 5: Your hand?

685
00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:38,640
Speaker 1: You should know that one. What come on, guys, wait

686
00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:46,040
Speaker 1: mentioned at least six times his first name Thomas. Yeah,

687
00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:48,320
Speaker 1: where you're in the family of names?

688
00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:50,560
Speaker 4: Tom?

689
00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:51,680
Speaker 6: Tom?

690
00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:55,799
Speaker 5: Okay, you're you're a couple of vowels, right, you got

691
00:34:55,800 --> 00:34:58,279
Speaker 5: it backwards? Okay, nobody has an answer. His name was

692
00:34:58,360 --> 00:35:01,759
Speaker 5: Wiley Thompson, not Tom Willie.

693
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Speaker 2: Let's talk talk about let's talk about It's okay if

694
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Speaker 2: we talk about that.

695
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Speaker 1: Here's here's the other.

696
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Speaker 2: This is a little inside beargrease thing. Part of the

697
00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:16,319
Speaker 2: quiz too, is that it gives us, it gives us

698
00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:19,080
Speaker 2: entry points to talk about what was going on. So

699
00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:22,400
Speaker 2: it's okay if we're like having like meaningful conversation about.

700
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Speaker 5: The I thought that part was really interesting in the

701
00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:31,120
Speaker 5: podcast because the fact that Wiley Thompson puts in irons

702
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Speaker 5: like it just unilaterally made a decision with no authority

703
00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:38,239
Speaker 5: behind it, to lock this guy up. I mean, I

704
00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:41,720
Speaker 5: think Wiley Thompson would have had to have known enough

705
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Speaker 5: about Ostiola to know that this is a bad idea,

706
00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:45,960
Speaker 5: like this is not going to turn on.

707
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Speaker 6: Maybe it was just plumb arrogance. I think ultimately led

708
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Speaker 6: to his demise.

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Speaker 1: I think oola was.

710
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Speaker 2: I mean, you saw it documented several times in there

711
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Speaker 2: that that he would I mean, he would lie to

712
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Speaker 2: a Indian agent I mean, which I'm not really faulting

713
00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:07,799
Speaker 2: him for because I mean, these people were like trying

714
00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:10,840
Speaker 2: to kill them or steal their land. So but but

715
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Speaker 2: he would he would say, I mean, he was kind

716
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Speaker 2: of a trick.

717
00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:18,000
Speaker 1: He was cunning. If you remember in the description uh

718
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Speaker 1: they they One of the guys said that that Ostiola was.

719
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Speaker 5: When he talked about his mind, his mind was active,

720
00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:30,319
Speaker 5: not sharp, not strong, not strong, active, nothing.

721
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Speaker 2: And I think like if you would have described I'm

722
00:36:33,719 --> 00:36:36,200
Speaker 2: just reading in, like big time reading in. But the

723
00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:39,400
Speaker 2: impression that I get, like the research I've done in Ostiola,

724
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Speaker 2: is that, I mean he.

725
00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:43,919
Speaker 1: Was like a wily guy, like a tricky guy.

726
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Speaker 2: Like he'd look at you and say, hey, this is

727
00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:50,080
Speaker 2: what we're gonna do, and then he'd slip around and

728
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Speaker 2: and you know, do something completely different now like a

729
00:36:54,920 --> 00:36:57,439
Speaker 2: lot of the and and And that's not a I'm

730
00:36:57,440 --> 00:36:59,440
Speaker 2: not saying that's a fault. He was doing what he

731
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Speaker 2: had to do to build this resistance of just what

732
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Speaker 2: it's just what it took. But anyway, so I think

733
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Speaker 2: maybe Wiley Thompson did not know who he was dealing with,

734
00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:12,480
Speaker 2: like he he felt like he was dealing with just

735
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Speaker 2: like it.

736
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Speaker 3: Could be that this guy was, like Brent said, just

737
00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:20,000
Speaker 3: you are going to kind of be the law west

738
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Speaker 3: of the pay Coast. You know, you're gonna have to

739
00:37:21,680 --> 00:37:23,120
Speaker 3: be in charge. But he might have been one of

740
00:37:23,120 --> 00:37:27,240
Speaker 3: those overbearing type you know, this is I'm in charge.

741
00:37:27,239 --> 00:37:31,160
Speaker 3: I'll do whatever I want. And that's the wrong guy,

742
00:37:31,719 --> 00:37:33,160
Speaker 3: that's the wrong kind of personality.

743
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Speaker 6: Well, he was used to also, he was used to

744
00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:38,680
Speaker 6: dealing folks that recognized his authority. Yeah, those folks are

745
00:37:38,719 --> 00:37:41,359
Speaker 6: exactly this dude. What's his name? We can get his

746
00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:42,040
Speaker 6: name right now.

747
00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:47,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, treat people like you want to be treated, because

748
00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:48,120
Speaker 3: it might come back and bite you.

749
00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:50,319
Speaker 6: Yeah, I've known, I don't know you well enough to

750
00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:52,560
Speaker 6: miss you if you died. Now you're going to tell

751
00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:55,200
Speaker 6: me that I got to get into Calaboose. Yeah, I

752
00:37:55,239 --> 00:37:56,000
Speaker 6: got something for you.

753
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Speaker 2: Can you imagine being an Indian, a US Indian agent.

754
00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:05,600
Speaker 2: They so their job was to befriend, just deal with,

755
00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:13,279
Speaker 2: communicate with, live with to some degree, lie to lie too, Yeah,

756
00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:17,239
Speaker 2: just yeah, and so yeah, boy, that would have been

757
00:38:17,239 --> 00:38:19,760
Speaker 2: an interesting job to be a US Indian agent.

758
00:38:20,080 --> 00:38:22,839
Speaker 1: A lot of those guys got killed too. A lot

759
00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:23,640
Speaker 1: of them got killed.

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00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:28,719
Speaker 6: It'd be interesting to know how many of them, the

761
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Speaker 6: percentage of them actually looked out the situation, being as

762
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Speaker 6: it was not that they manufactured, but how many of

763
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Speaker 6: them actually worked in the best interest of the natives.

764
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Speaker 6: I think the percentage is low.

765
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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, and I think it would be hard to

766
00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:52,719
Speaker 2: quantify that too, because I mean it's like different scenarios

767
00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:57,640
Speaker 2: might be, might be it would be.

768
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Speaker 8: Very hard, very hard to go Yeah, yeah, yeah, all right, Josh, Josh,

769
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Speaker 8: what was the name of the US general who captured

770
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Speaker 8: Osila under a flag of truce?

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Speaker 6: Schwartz cough? Oh forgot to raise man, no.

772
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Speaker 2: Man, remember now this this is okay, I'm a little

773
00:39:22,239 --> 00:39:23,520
Speaker 2: a little disappointed, guys.

774
00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:28,520
Speaker 5: Okay, the answer is General Jessup.

775
00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:31,880
Speaker 1: Sure, now, okay.

776
00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:35,480
Speaker 2: What was not in the podcast was that Jessup was

777
00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:40,000
Speaker 2: one of the longest serving US military generals of all time.

778
00:39:40,239 --> 00:39:42,799
Speaker 2: He was in the US military military for fifty two

779
00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:43,960
Speaker 2: years as a general.

780
00:39:44,160 --> 00:39:44,600
Speaker 6: Wow.

781
00:39:45,160 --> 00:39:49,799
Speaker 2: He started in like nineteen or eighteen early in the

782
00:39:49,840 --> 00:39:53,200
Speaker 2: Seminole Wars and like went like to the Civil War.

783
00:39:53,719 --> 00:39:54,000
Speaker 3: Wow.

784
00:39:54,160 --> 00:39:58,080
Speaker 6: Oh, Doug Gum also es. Yeah. He did not win

785
00:39:58,120 --> 00:39:59,799
Speaker 6: any friends for that either.

786
00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:04,359
Speaker 2: Well you heard you heard it how they were like

787
00:40:04,760 --> 00:40:07,640
Speaker 2: they were ridiculing him fifty years later.

788
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Speaker 3: Yeah, because of the deception, flag of truce and all that.

789
00:40:11,880 --> 00:40:13,719
Speaker 3: But you know, I thought of listening to that on

790
00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:16,560
Speaker 3: the way down. Remember when Boone goes out at Boonsboro

791
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Speaker 3: and they're going to have the talk with the Indians

792
00:40:18,080 --> 00:40:20,640
Speaker 3: and the Indians are like, okay, on three go and

793
00:40:20,680 --> 00:40:23,680
Speaker 3: they try to grab him. That's the same thing the

794
00:40:23,719 --> 00:40:27,040
Speaker 3: other way. You know, it's but we would look down

795
00:40:27,080 --> 00:40:29,040
Speaker 3: on that as deception. They looked down on and it

796
00:40:29,120 --> 00:40:30,520
Speaker 3: was it was dirty, dirty pool.

797
00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:34,320
Speaker 6: But yeah, wars war man.

798
00:40:34,239 --> 00:40:36,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what I thought too, kind of.

799
00:40:36,239 --> 00:40:38,640
Speaker 6: War's war if they'd had a chance to get jessup,

800
00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:41,680
Speaker 6: if he's dumb enough to walk into it.

801
00:40:42,719 --> 00:40:45,839
Speaker 1: Yeah, well you know, and that's where you get.

802
00:40:45,880 --> 00:40:49,240
Speaker 2: You get these little like micro windows into that world

803
00:40:49,239 --> 00:40:51,160
Speaker 2: that I think paint the picture of what it was like.

804
00:40:51,360 --> 00:40:53,319
Speaker 2: The thing the thing about it was that made it

805
00:40:53,360 --> 00:40:56,319
Speaker 2: so tricky is that he had met with military US

806
00:40:56,440 --> 00:40:59,920
Speaker 2: military generals like bunches of times before.

807
00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:02,319
Speaker 6: And but I mean, now that had to go into

808
00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:04,799
Speaker 6: the planet. I think we can get him here. If

809
00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:06,800
Speaker 6: we just get him here, we'll get him caught, we'll

810
00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:10,040
Speaker 6: and we'll go on. I'm not agreeing with it, Yeah,

811
00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:13,560
Speaker 6: but I understand it's just a war.

812
00:41:14,080 --> 00:41:17,440
Speaker 7: And ahead, well, isn't a flag of truce so different?

813
00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:19,439
Speaker 7: I mean, like that's a big deal in war.

814
00:41:20,360 --> 00:41:24,160
Speaker 6: It wouldn't have been had I been in Tora Bora

815
00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:27,480
Speaker 6: and Osama Bin Louden walked out of a cave waving

816
00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:29,759
Speaker 6: a white flag that had just been a place where

817
00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:33,200
Speaker 6: we're going to orient our fire. It's just sometimes it's

818
00:41:33,239 --> 00:41:33,920
Speaker 6: just what it is.

819
00:41:34,680 --> 00:41:37,480
Speaker 3: They talked about the honor of war about that time,

820
00:41:37,520 --> 00:41:40,560
Speaker 3: and they told a story about Lafayette's dogs. Yea, and

821
00:41:40,760 --> 00:41:42,840
Speaker 3: if you remember The Patriot in the movie The Patriot,

822
00:41:43,239 --> 00:41:45,480
Speaker 3: they used that story with those dogs and the kind

823
00:41:45,520 --> 00:41:48,680
Speaker 3: of the back and forth between Oh that that's where

824
00:41:48,680 --> 00:41:49,319
Speaker 3: that comes from.

825
00:41:50,440 --> 00:41:51,320
Speaker 6: It was in the movie.

826
00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:53,719
Speaker 3: It wasn't within the dog scene, but yeah, that's where

827
00:41:53,719 --> 00:41:54,239
Speaker 3: that comes from.

828
00:41:54,320 --> 00:41:56,680
Speaker 1: Tell us that story. Have you been in the movie?

829
00:41:57,000 --> 00:42:00,319
Speaker 3: Oh well that was twenty five years ago. I know

830
00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:02,200
Speaker 3: it was because what the Patriot?

831
00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:02,920
Speaker 1: The Patriot?

832
00:42:03,080 --> 00:42:10,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, yes, yeah, yeah. It wasn't like right with milk somebody. No,

833
00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:12,960
Speaker 3: he went riding by several times. But no, it was

834
00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:16,480
Speaker 3: the way that happened was they were shooting this in

835
00:42:16,520 --> 00:42:19,440
Speaker 3: the Carolina is because it was based on Francis Marion.

836
00:42:19,520 --> 00:42:22,120
Speaker 3: And I mean there's a lot of connections. That's another

837
00:42:22,160 --> 00:42:25,040
Speaker 3: thing about this podcast that so many connections to other

838
00:42:25,080 --> 00:42:27,440
Speaker 3: parts of history. That was that was cool. But yeah,

839
00:42:27,560 --> 00:42:30,680
Speaker 3: that was they were they needed reenactors. They could get

840
00:42:30,719 --> 00:42:34,080
Speaker 3: extras to fill background. You know, for stuff, but they

841
00:42:34,120 --> 00:42:36,760
Speaker 3: needed reenactors when they started shooting the big battle scenes

842
00:42:36,760 --> 00:42:39,600
Speaker 3: and stuff that somebody that had already closed.

843
00:42:40,040 --> 00:42:42,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, so you had that, you were a reenactor.

844
00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:43,240
Speaker 6: Yeah.

845
00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:45,839
Speaker 3: So they buddy of mine was there and he said

846
00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:48,320
Speaker 3: contact some I don't remember now there was. It was

847
00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:52,759
Speaker 3: pre pre cell phone, pre computer, no digital stuff. But

848
00:42:52,840 --> 00:42:54,960
Speaker 3: I sent him some stuff and they said, yeah, come

849
00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:57,040
Speaker 3: on out. So he had to go through a process

850
00:42:57,080 --> 00:42:59,680
Speaker 3: and then they had to outfit you in wardrobe. And

851
00:42:59,719 --> 00:43:02,080
Speaker 3: so I wanted a ponytail, you know, in a queue like,

852
00:43:02,120 --> 00:43:03,800
Speaker 3: and they said, we got a lot of those guys.

853
00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:04,879
Speaker 3: So I get a Dutch boy.

854
00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:06,959
Speaker 1: So I don't know what that means.

855
00:43:07,040 --> 00:43:09,120
Speaker 3: Well, it's just a Dutch boy wig that came. Its

856
00:43:09,520 --> 00:43:12,960
Speaker 3: kind of a blew in my eyes every day all day.

857
00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:13,600
Speaker 3: It was terrible.

858
00:43:13,640 --> 00:43:17,279
Speaker 2: But so you were an extra war scenes Yeah, yeah,

859
00:43:17,320 --> 00:43:18,960
Speaker 2: so you were like shooting a musket.

860
00:43:19,040 --> 00:43:19,239
Speaker 6: Yeah.

861
00:43:20,560 --> 00:43:22,759
Speaker 3: I was supposed to be a guy stepping out front

862
00:43:22,760 --> 00:43:24,520
Speaker 3: and they were going to zero in on us and

863
00:43:24,719 --> 00:43:28,280
Speaker 3: actually shoot because I knew the armor on the set,

864
00:43:28,560 --> 00:43:30,520
Speaker 3: and every time we started to do that, it rained

865
00:43:30,560 --> 00:43:33,239
Speaker 3: and that never happened. But the stuff that I worked on,

866
00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:36,000
Speaker 3: I'm just you're like furniture kind of your background, you know.

867
00:43:36,080 --> 00:43:37,600
Speaker 3: But the scene where he comes back.

868
00:43:37,400 --> 00:43:40,319
Speaker 1: With can you see yourself in the movie.

869
00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:42,920
Speaker 3: I'm like those little guys in uh what what's the movie?

870
00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:44,480
Speaker 6: Uh?

871
00:43:44,600 --> 00:43:47,799
Speaker 3: They say, you can see my hand if you look. Yeah, now,

872
00:43:48,080 --> 00:43:49,880
Speaker 3: if you freeze frame it, you can, but you're not

873
00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:52,839
Speaker 3: gonna Yeah, yeah I can show you you were there though,

874
00:43:52,920 --> 00:43:55,520
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah it was, and it was. What's cool

875
00:43:55,600 --> 00:43:58,279
Speaker 3: is you get a you get a little bit of

876
00:43:58,360 --> 00:44:00,759
Speaker 3: sense certain times, a little magic for a certain kind

877
00:44:00,760 --> 00:44:03,319
Speaker 3: of time of day, and all that stuff is there

878
00:44:03,640 --> 00:44:06,239
Speaker 3: that you can't you're not visualizing. It's right there, you know.

879
00:44:06,520 --> 00:44:08,359
Speaker 3: Mister you have to go, So it's kind of cool.

880
00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:10,640
Speaker 2: Miss Newcomb has to go. Thank you, Thank you for

881
00:44:10,680 --> 00:44:15,560
Speaker 2: coming support us. Mistery actually has a real job. You

882
00:44:15,600 --> 00:44:18,400
Speaker 2: can't just sit around podcast for a living being a

883
00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:20,000
Speaker 2: podcast or even a real job.

884
00:44:20,239 --> 00:44:23,319
Speaker 1: No, it's not, but h Pristy has a real job.

885
00:44:23,400 --> 00:44:24,480
Speaker 5: So thanks mister.

886
00:44:24,719 --> 00:44:25,480
Speaker 3: Good to see miss.

887
00:44:26,920 --> 00:44:27,400
Speaker 6: Okay.

888
00:44:27,600 --> 00:44:29,080
Speaker 3: Anyway, that's how that happened. It was fun.

889
00:44:29,080 --> 00:44:32,640
Speaker 2: All right, Let's bring in our next guest.

890
00:44:32,760 --> 00:44:36,719
Speaker 1: Go get Tim. Do you think you could get Tim

891
00:44:36,719 --> 00:44:40,120
Speaker 1: to sit right there? Yeah? I mean not for very long,

892
00:44:40,200 --> 00:44:41,640
Speaker 1: but yeah, okay.

893
00:44:49,200 --> 00:44:51,920
Speaker 9: Okay, go ahead, I'm sorry, I'm no, that's fine, that's

894
00:44:51,920 --> 00:44:53,840
Speaker 9: that's what it was, and it was it was a

895
00:44:53,880 --> 00:44:54,239
Speaker 9: good time.

896
00:44:54,280 --> 00:44:56,560
Speaker 3: I had several buddies that were that did the same thing,

897
00:44:56,600 --> 00:44:59,120
Speaker 3: and so there was a core group that was with

898
00:44:59,160 --> 00:45:01,080
Speaker 3: the film all the time. So say no, they're going

899
00:45:01,160 --> 00:45:03,279
Speaker 3: to be in this stuff and they can't just have

900
00:45:03,440 --> 00:45:05,440
Speaker 3: they can't have a shot that. You got to go

901
00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:08,239
Speaker 3: reshoot and have a different people. So what they did

902
00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:12,160
Speaker 3: with us was they would once they had you photographed

903
00:45:12,160 --> 00:45:14,399
Speaker 3: and all your stuff. They I had had a rev

904
00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:16,840
Speaker 3: woar coach that came out of wardrobe. Everything else was

905
00:45:16,880 --> 00:45:19,919
Speaker 3: mine and then the wig and I had a wound

906
00:45:20,040 --> 00:45:22,520
Speaker 3: had a hand to And so the day we're shooting

907
00:45:22,560 --> 00:45:24,319
Speaker 3: the scene where he comes back to the to the

908
00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:27,840
Speaker 3: army and cheering and everything, they shoot it a few times.

909
00:45:27,880 --> 00:45:30,280
Speaker 3: First time we were just yeah, we're whooping and who's

910
00:45:30,320 --> 00:45:32,680
Speaker 3: on there and the horses flare off. So every time

911
00:45:32,719 --> 00:45:35,240
Speaker 3: after that, what you see in the movie it's all pantomime,

912
00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:39,759
Speaker 3: you know, yeah, oh yeah, no, we're not saying anything

913
00:45:39,760 --> 00:45:42,239
Speaker 3: because the horse will get close enough to the to

914
00:45:42,280 --> 00:45:46,360
Speaker 3: the call. Yeah. So then they finally get Gibson there.

915
00:45:46,200 --> 00:45:48,239
Speaker 1: Says, my mules would have been fine.

916
00:45:48,280 --> 00:45:50,520
Speaker 3: They should have had you do it, had you come

917
00:45:50,560 --> 00:45:51,920
Speaker 3: back to the army with the mule and.

918
00:45:52,440 --> 00:45:53,479
Speaker 5: Gets and riding the mule.

919
00:45:53,600 --> 00:45:59,200
Speaker 3: Absolutely, But they stopped and they picked up section of

920
00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:00,759
Speaker 3: us that was going to be right in the back

921
00:46:00,800 --> 00:46:02,840
Speaker 3: of that, and they dusted us up and they fixed

922
00:46:02,880 --> 00:46:05,319
Speaker 3: us all up, and and they came in. They were

923
00:46:05,360 --> 00:46:07,040
Speaker 3: going to put a head wound on. They're gonna take

924
00:46:07,080 --> 00:46:08,680
Speaker 3: my hat, put this head wound on. They had this

925
00:46:08,719 --> 00:46:10,080
Speaker 3: fake blood, and I thought, I don't want to lose

926
00:46:10,120 --> 00:46:11,800
Speaker 3: my hats, my hat, you know, so I said, have

927
00:46:11,840 --> 00:46:13,719
Speaker 3: about a hand wood so they won't. They fixed my

928
00:46:13,760 --> 00:46:17,200
Speaker 3: hand up. The guy next to me, they do head wound.

929
00:46:17,320 --> 00:46:21,719
Speaker 3: Bloody em all up. He's in every shot. Always take

930
00:46:21,719 --> 00:46:27,719
Speaker 3: the head wound. So it's like the guy the five

931
00:46:27,800 --> 00:46:29,799
Speaker 3: and the you know, the guy with the head got

932
00:46:29,800 --> 00:46:31,920
Speaker 3: the head, you know. So so you were standing by

933
00:46:31,960 --> 00:46:33,680
Speaker 3: the guy with the hen you see him. I'm right

934
00:46:33,719 --> 00:46:36,560
Speaker 3: there somewhere.

935
00:46:36,280 --> 00:46:40,000
Speaker 2: Acne career would have been so much just take the

936
00:46:40,040 --> 00:46:41,160
Speaker 2: head woond, that would have been.

937
00:46:41,239 --> 00:46:44,959
Speaker 1: But that's pretty good fun, that's pretty cool. Yeah, yeah,

938
00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:46,600
Speaker 1: all right, this is good Josh.

939
00:46:46,719 --> 00:46:50,799
Speaker 5: Okay. Last last real question is a date question, what

940
00:46:50,920 --> 00:46:53,000
Speaker 5: year did ossi Ola and his family move to Florida?

941
00:46:53,760 --> 00:46:57,160
Speaker 5: That was mentioned in there? I will give you a hint.

942
00:46:57,880 --> 00:47:00,520
Speaker 5: It is very close to the start. That's what of

943
00:47:00,560 --> 00:47:02,000
Speaker 5: the Seminole wars?

944
00:47:02,080 --> 00:47:03,480
Speaker 6: I have a I have an answer.

945
00:47:04,320 --> 00:47:06,239
Speaker 3: I'm gonna wait. See what Brent say. Brenton, what do

946
00:47:06,280 --> 00:47:06,560
Speaker 3: you say?

947
00:47:06,600 --> 00:47:08,640
Speaker 6: I must say, eighteen fifteen.

948
00:47:09,680 --> 00:47:14,160
Speaker 5: Sixteen fourteen, eighteen fourteen is correct.

949
00:47:14,719 --> 00:47:17,279
Speaker 3: It took a little trip that Yeah, that should have

950
00:47:17,320 --> 00:47:18,200
Speaker 3: should have been remembered.

951
00:47:19,560 --> 00:47:26,000
Speaker 2: Okay, I have a I have a couple of questions. Man,

952
00:47:26,120 --> 00:47:28,480
Speaker 2: my questions are a little kind of heavy hitting here.

953
00:47:30,360 --> 00:47:32,200
Speaker 6: So far that we actually listened.

954
00:47:31,920 --> 00:47:34,320
Speaker 1: To it, yeah, makes for listening.

955
00:47:34,320 --> 00:47:35,080
Speaker 6: Brent, You're welcome.

956
00:47:38,080 --> 00:47:41,440
Speaker 2: Oh there was a there was a I don't even

957
00:47:41,440 --> 00:47:42,040
Speaker 2: know how to pronounce it.

958
00:47:42,040 --> 00:47:43,000
Speaker 1: We're gonna skip that one.

959
00:47:46,920 --> 00:47:50,399
Speaker 2: What is one of the names of the of what

960
00:47:50,440 --> 00:47:55,160
Speaker 2: the Seminoles called Florida, not not the not the not

961
00:47:55,320 --> 00:47:58,600
Speaker 2: the the actual Indian name, but what it meant?

962
00:47:59,120 --> 00:48:00,960
Speaker 1: There were two? There were two names.

963
00:48:01,320 --> 00:48:02,040
Speaker 3: Can get close?

964
00:48:02,080 --> 00:48:05,200
Speaker 1: I think, yeah, Josh, what what did they call Florida?

965
00:48:05,520 --> 00:48:06,480
Speaker 5: Those of the deer.

966
00:48:06,520 --> 00:48:11,440
Speaker 1: Nose of the deer? They called it like the I

967
00:48:11,480 --> 00:48:12,040
Speaker 1: can't remember.

968
00:48:12,160 --> 00:48:15,279
Speaker 2: It was like the Kyle something I know, the deer

969
00:48:15,440 --> 00:48:16,600
Speaker 2: close brand.

970
00:48:16,640 --> 00:48:19,520
Speaker 6: Do you remember something about water the pointed land.

971
00:48:19,360 --> 00:48:22,320
Speaker 2: They called it the sharpened pointed land or the nose

972
00:48:22,360 --> 00:48:22,839
Speaker 2: of the deer.

973
00:48:23,640 --> 00:48:24,520
Speaker 6: I don't.

974
00:48:25,520 --> 00:48:26,440
Speaker 3: That's what it got me.

975
00:48:28,239 --> 00:48:32,200
Speaker 2: When I said that doctor Wickman, I was like, Wow,

976
00:48:32,200 --> 00:48:36,120
Speaker 2: they knew the shape of Florida. And I realized kind

977
00:48:36,120 --> 00:48:41,080
Speaker 2: of how dumb that is to think that they wouldn't ask.

978
00:48:41,719 --> 00:48:44,279
Speaker 2: But you wouldn't have thought that they would have had

979
00:48:44,400 --> 00:48:47,600
Speaker 2: a sense of that big of geography. But I mean

980
00:48:48,160 --> 00:48:51,719
Speaker 2: even even on foot, like these people didn't have horses,

981
00:48:52,160 --> 00:48:54,160
Speaker 2: Yeah they were. They were on foot and in canoes.

982
00:48:55,239 --> 00:48:57,960
Speaker 2: That much land they they.

983
00:48:57,840 --> 00:49:00,279
Speaker 3: Were made, that rounded point. But but yeah, I mean

984
00:49:00,280 --> 00:49:02,200
Speaker 3: they didn't see an aerial photo. They couldn't have ever.

985
00:49:02,440 --> 00:49:04,840
Speaker 3: It had to be either from other people talking to

986
00:49:05,040 --> 00:49:06,880
Speaker 3: them something, you know.

987
00:49:08,239 --> 00:49:09,239
Speaker 1: I thought that was pretty cool.

988
00:49:09,239 --> 00:49:09,719
Speaker 3: It was cool.

989
00:49:09,800 --> 00:49:10,040
Speaker 6: Yeah.

990
00:49:10,640 --> 00:49:12,000
Speaker 1: I also thought it was interesting.

991
00:49:12,200 --> 00:49:15,600
Speaker 2: In the in the in the History of Florida section

992
00:49:15,640 --> 00:49:19,600
Speaker 2: at the very beginning that doctor Wickman gave, she said

993
00:49:19,600 --> 00:49:23,839
Speaker 2: that Florida was so critical to America. I wouldn't have known.

994
00:49:23,840 --> 00:49:26,240
Speaker 2: I wouldn't have thought about why it would have been critical.

995
00:49:26,239 --> 00:49:29,239
Speaker 2: I just thought, Wow, it's just attached so we need it,

996
00:49:29,560 --> 00:49:32,560
Speaker 2: but it had so much exposure. And when you think

997
00:49:32,560 --> 00:49:37,759
Speaker 2: about in history, where did people from Europe usually end

998
00:49:37,840 --> 00:49:41,279
Speaker 2: up landing on the coast Florida? Yeah, I mean like

999
00:49:41,520 --> 00:49:44,080
Speaker 2: that's where a lot of people came in. That's where

1000
00:49:45,400 --> 00:49:48,960
Speaker 2: uh Casa de Vaka that one of the first guys

1001
00:49:48,960 --> 00:49:53,080
Speaker 2: that came inland in the southeastern United States.

1002
00:49:53,840 --> 00:49:54,920
Speaker 1: They landed in Florida.

1003
00:49:56,880 --> 00:49:59,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was Florida, right, Yeah, yeah, somewhere.

1004
00:49:59,800 --> 00:50:03,440
Speaker 1: And uh didn't Hernando de Soto and them start in Florida.

1005
00:50:04,560 --> 00:50:05,600
Speaker 6: I found up Mark.

1006
00:50:06,480 --> 00:50:08,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think of him more in the middle part

1007
00:50:08,600 --> 00:50:09,600
Speaker 3: of the country. But I don't know.

1008
00:50:09,680 --> 00:50:11,200
Speaker 1: You're mad, Missippi.

1009
00:50:11,600 --> 00:50:15,640
Speaker 2: But point being, it's a it's a critical geographic point

1010
00:50:15,680 --> 00:50:19,040
Speaker 2: for the protection of America. That's where we now have

1011
00:50:19,080 --> 00:50:22,320
Speaker 2: all these military bases and all this different stuff.

1012
00:50:22,600 --> 00:50:23,920
Speaker 1: But so that's pretty interesting.

1013
00:50:25,120 --> 00:50:27,120
Speaker 2: I was going to ask you guys, the type of

1014
00:50:27,480 --> 00:50:31,120
Speaker 2: polygamy when you when you married two sisters.

1015
00:50:31,239 --> 00:50:31,799
Speaker 6: Here we go.

1016
00:50:32,080 --> 00:50:33,640
Speaker 3: She said the word, but I didn't.

1017
00:50:33,800 --> 00:50:35,760
Speaker 1: It was hard to That's.

1018
00:50:35,600 --> 00:50:40,320
Speaker 2: Why the question has been I've decided it's called sore

1019
00:50:41,000 --> 00:50:42,360
Speaker 2: s O R.

1020
00:50:42,320 --> 00:50:47,560
Speaker 1: O R A L polygamy, s real sor sorrow sorrow.

1021
00:50:47,680 --> 00:50:50,400
Speaker 1: It was hard. She she pronounced it, and I couldn't.

1022
00:50:51,040 --> 00:50:53,360
Speaker 3: I thought she was saying Serialmy I'm like, how do

1023
00:50:53,400 --> 00:50:56,919
Speaker 3: you do that?

1024
00:50:57,239 --> 00:50:58,200
Speaker 6: A bunch of sisters?

1025
00:50:58,320 --> 00:50:59,600
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1026
00:50:59,400 --> 00:51:01,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was interest word for cake. Okay, now here's

1027
00:51:01,480 --> 00:51:05,080
Speaker 2: here's one. What was the name of the first Indian

1028
00:51:05,120 --> 00:51:07,680
Speaker 2: graduate of West Point? He was a Muskogee.

1029
00:51:08,840 --> 00:51:10,040
Speaker 5: I was going to put that in there.

1030
00:51:11,280 --> 00:51:12,120
Speaker 6: His name was.

1031
00:51:14,920 --> 00:51:18,720
Speaker 1: Anybody now, David Moniac yeh.

1032
00:51:19,160 --> 00:51:21,440
Speaker 3: Which that didn't come to me. I actually I felt

1033
00:51:21,480 --> 00:51:23,200
Speaker 3: like that it was cool that.

1034
00:51:23,200 --> 00:51:27,960
Speaker 2: Story set for me the time, and I mentioned it

1035
00:51:27,960 --> 00:51:30,080
Speaker 2: on the podcast. But you kind of get this feeling

1036
00:51:30,120 --> 00:51:33,320
Speaker 2: that like these people had never seen white people.

1037
00:51:33,760 --> 00:51:34,600
Speaker 6: Yeah, you.

1038
00:51:36,160 --> 00:51:39,759
Speaker 2: Just think, like, but then here this guy is a

1039
00:51:39,840 --> 00:51:41,120
Speaker 2: graduate from West Point.

1040
00:51:41,280 --> 00:51:44,440
Speaker 5: Can you imagine what it had been for a Native

1041
00:51:44,440 --> 00:51:46,760
Speaker 5: American to go through West Point at that time?

1042
00:51:47,880 --> 00:51:50,279
Speaker 6: It says volumes about that person that.

1043
00:51:50,280 --> 00:51:54,560
Speaker 5: Did no kidding, I mean, the the internal fortitude that

1044
00:51:54,560 --> 00:51:57,799
Speaker 5: that guy must have had was off the charts. I mean,

1045
00:51:58,719 --> 00:52:01,759
Speaker 5: the average Joe that goes through West Point goes through

1046
00:52:01,880 --> 00:52:05,000
Speaker 5: hillacious hazing and all that kind of stuff. Let alone

1047
00:52:05,000 --> 00:52:08,600
Speaker 5: at that time in history for a Native to go

1048
00:52:08,680 --> 00:52:10,760
Speaker 5: through the no HR available.

1049
00:52:10,360 --> 00:52:14,400
Speaker 2: Ship and then he's the first guy killed in the

1050
00:52:14,440 --> 00:52:15,520
Speaker 2: battle that he's in.

1051
00:52:16,239 --> 00:52:19,560
Speaker 6: It was. It was good that you reminded the listener,

1052
00:52:19,960 --> 00:52:23,640
Speaker 6: include myself, that the folks been interacting for three hundred

1053
00:52:23,680 --> 00:52:27,440
Speaker 6: years before. That was because you did get the impression.

1054
00:52:27,520 --> 00:52:30,279
Speaker 6: It was like, what is that? Yeah, oh it's a

1055
00:52:30,320 --> 00:52:34,000
Speaker 6: white guy. Yeah, that was not the case. It'd been there.

1056
00:52:35,000 --> 00:52:39,160
Speaker 5: Bonus question. I got a bonus question. The winner takes all.

1057
00:52:40,719 --> 00:52:45,400
Speaker 5: What is the name of the of Clay's aunt and

1058
00:52:45,480 --> 00:52:49,440
Speaker 5: uncle that lived in sophisticated Pennsylvania Tommy Kate.

1059
00:52:52,880 --> 00:53:02,920
Speaker 10: Karen aunt Karen, Yeah, and uncle Ben uncle Tony sophisticated, sophisticated,

1060
00:53:03,080 --> 00:53:04,319
Speaker 10: cultured Pennsylvania.

1061
00:53:04,320 --> 00:53:05,600
Speaker 1: I have Pennsylvania.

1062
00:53:05,840 --> 00:53:06,640
Speaker 3: That's a cool place.

1063
00:53:07,200 --> 00:53:09,960
Speaker 6: You don't get me in that in that dispute there

1064
00:53:10,000 --> 00:53:13,880
Speaker 6: because I love the folks in Pennsylvania, especially Bradford, Pennsylvania.

1065
00:53:14,520 --> 00:53:16,239
Speaker 1: Oh case knives.

1066
00:53:16,600 --> 00:53:18,919
Speaker 6: What a coincidence? Yeah, they are made there.

1067
00:53:19,080 --> 00:53:22,399
Speaker 3: Yeah, man, I got a quick story about them after

1068
00:53:22,440 --> 00:53:25,120
Speaker 3: you made that podcast about going there. I had this

1069
00:53:25,160 --> 00:53:28,160
Speaker 3: old pocket knife for my granddad's case knife, and you

1070
00:53:28,280 --> 00:53:30,399
Speaker 3: mentioned the number series on it. I think I sent

1071
00:53:30,400 --> 00:53:33,719
Speaker 3: you a note on that I cannot find. I look

1072
00:53:33,760 --> 00:53:35,520
Speaker 3: at it and I can't find a number to correspond

1073
00:53:35,560 --> 00:53:38,360
Speaker 3: with their charts. So I sent him an email. Somebody

1074
00:53:38,360 --> 00:53:40,919
Speaker 3: called me anyway, long story short. They said, if there's

1075
00:53:41,120 --> 00:53:44,200
Speaker 3: if it looks like yours looks it's pre nineteen forty. Yeah,

1076
00:53:44,280 --> 00:53:46,760
Speaker 3: so I know his knife was pre nineteen forty.

1077
00:53:47,680 --> 00:53:49,120
Speaker 6: Was this your grandfather? Yeah?

1078
00:53:49,120 --> 00:53:51,160
Speaker 3: And this thing is what it is, just and he

1079
00:53:51,160 --> 00:53:53,839
Speaker 3: didn't didn't do it on a grinder. He just sharp Now.

1080
00:53:53,880 --> 00:53:55,640
Speaker 3: He whittled all the time. They go up to the

1081
00:53:55,719 --> 00:53:58,080
Speaker 3: hardware store and loaf they called it loaf. They'd visit

1082
00:53:58,120 --> 00:54:01,080
Speaker 3: the old guys whittle, you know, sharpening it every day.

1083
00:54:01,200 --> 00:54:03,200
Speaker 3: Oh nice, But I skinned cone with it last year,

1084
00:54:03,200 --> 00:54:04,000
Speaker 3: as sharp as could be.

1085
00:54:05,360 --> 00:54:09,840
Speaker 2: So anyway, those are good folks Pennsylvania. No, it was

1086
00:54:09,880 --> 00:54:12,520
Speaker 2: just a cheap shot I would have taken with anybody.

1087
00:54:12,800 --> 00:54:14,080
Speaker 2: I would have taken with anybody.

1088
00:54:15,160 --> 00:54:20,720
Speaker 1: Okay, Uh, what stood out, Brent, Like, what what stood

1089
00:54:20,719 --> 00:54:23,920
Speaker 1: out to you? What did you learn on this podcast?

1090
00:54:24,840 --> 00:54:29,080
Speaker 6: I learned that much like Daniel Boone, ohs only had

1091
00:54:29,080 --> 00:54:35,120
Speaker 6: two wives. Oh gonna forget that.

1092
00:54:35,320 --> 00:54:40,000
Speaker 2: Maybe, Hey, you know what I had forgotten to is that,

1093
00:54:40,640 --> 00:54:45,720
Speaker 2: you know, I was like Boone wouldn't have cheated on Rebecca. Well,

1094
00:54:46,200 --> 00:54:50,520
Speaker 2: there's lore also that that Robert Morgan does not buy

1095
00:54:51,360 --> 00:54:56,440
Speaker 2: that Rebecca Boone had had a child with Boone's younger brother, Squire.

1096
00:54:56,480 --> 00:54:59,879
Speaker 1: I believe it was Squire or Nathan. I can't remember.

1097
00:55:01,920 --> 00:55:04,000
Speaker 1: That's right, that's right, I believe it Squire. And so

1098
00:55:04,160 --> 00:55:06,040
Speaker 1: you know, there was a story of Boone coming back

1099
00:55:06,080 --> 00:55:08,560
Speaker 1: from a two year hunting trip and his wife is

1100
00:55:08,640 --> 00:55:13,880
Speaker 1: Kralen and newborn son. That's lore, but Boone.

1101
00:55:14,600 --> 00:55:20,720
Speaker 2: Robert Morgan, the one who wrote the seminal book on Boone,

1102
00:55:20,719 --> 00:55:24,360
Speaker 2: said that everybody had that. That was like a common

1103
00:55:24,520 --> 00:55:28,759
Speaker 2: fable during that time because people there's no communication and

1104
00:55:28,960 --> 00:55:31,600
Speaker 2: men were going on these long trips, and it was

1105
00:55:31,640 --> 00:55:34,239
Speaker 2: just a very common fable that when you come home

1106
00:55:34,320 --> 00:55:37,440
Speaker 2: your wife has a new child, and so he doesn't

1107
00:55:37,480 --> 00:55:38,200
Speaker 2: think it happened.

1108
00:55:39,200 --> 00:55:40,480
Speaker 1: But anyway, carry on.

1109
00:55:40,840 --> 00:55:44,239
Speaker 6: What stood out to me was when you hear the

1110
00:55:44,280 --> 00:55:54,120
Speaker 6: tale of settlers and Native Americans, you immediately think of

1111
00:55:54,719 --> 00:56:00,760
Speaker 6: Wyoming in Arizona, New Mexico, and Idaho. You never, me personally,

1112
00:56:00,960 --> 00:56:05,440
Speaker 6: never think about Florida, Georgia, the Carolinas, everything where it

1113
00:56:05,640 --> 00:56:10,080
Speaker 6: initially started. Yeah, you always think about west. But it

1114
00:56:10,160 --> 00:56:13,680
Speaker 6: was going on for a long time before it ever

1115
00:56:13,800 --> 00:56:16,840
Speaker 6: crossed the Mississippi River, So that that stood out to me,

1116
00:56:16,960 --> 00:56:20,360
Speaker 6: and I'm going to kind of inspired me to do

1117
00:56:20,360 --> 00:56:24,719
Speaker 6: a little research on my own because it's it's tragic,

1118
00:56:25,560 --> 00:56:29,120
Speaker 6: beyond tragic, but very interesting in the history of our nation.

1119
00:56:29,880 --> 00:56:30,720
Speaker 1: It's a good point.

1120
00:56:30,920 --> 00:56:33,960
Speaker 2: And you know why I think that is is, you know,

1121
00:56:34,360 --> 00:56:37,319
Speaker 2: the almost put this in the podcast because I talked

1122
00:56:37,360 --> 00:56:40,640
Speaker 2: about how having war on your own land is different

1123
00:56:40,640 --> 00:56:43,560
Speaker 2: than having war somewhere else. So America's had a lot

1124
00:56:43,560 --> 00:56:47,880
Speaker 2: of wars in other places in the last one hundred years,

1125
00:56:47,920 --> 00:56:51,960
Speaker 2: but not here. Do you know when the last battle

1126
00:56:52,239 --> 00:56:55,880
Speaker 2: was fought on American soil? Like from a like an

1127
00:56:55,920 --> 00:56:58,360
Speaker 2: actual military engagement battle?

1128
00:56:59,160 --> 00:57:02,319
Speaker 6: I think, I do, what what would it be? Was

1129
00:57:02,360 --> 00:57:03,839
Speaker 6: it a state then in Alaska?

1130
00:57:05,080 --> 00:57:06,520
Speaker 1: I nope, nope, I don't think.

1131
00:57:06,360 --> 00:57:08,279
Speaker 3: That's that's what I was thinking of.

1132
00:57:08,360 --> 00:57:12,280
Speaker 6: Yeah, there was, there was an engagement in Alaska Aleutian

1133
00:57:12,320 --> 00:57:16,360
Speaker 6: Islands with Russia or something Japan Japanese troops.

1134
00:57:16,560 --> 00:57:20,760
Speaker 2: Really Okay, well, there there's probably some caveats. What what

1135
00:57:20,960 --> 00:57:23,560
Speaker 2: I learned was the Battle of Wounded Knee in eighteen

1136
00:57:23,680 --> 00:57:27,520
Speaker 2: ninety the Sioux Indians. Yeah, I've been there, American American

1137
00:57:27,560 --> 00:57:30,520
Speaker 2: government versus the Sioux in eighteen ninety.

1138
00:57:30,760 --> 00:57:34,280
Speaker 1: I mean, like that really wasn't that long ago.

1139
00:57:34,360 --> 00:57:38,640
Speaker 2: But well, okay, think about you know Osceola spoiler alert,

1140
00:57:38,640 --> 00:57:41,880
Speaker 2: he's going to die in eighteen thirty eight on the

1141
00:57:41,920 --> 00:57:43,640
Speaker 2: next episode, and.

1142
00:57:44,280 --> 00:57:47,000
Speaker 1: He's dead, you know, sixty years later.

1143
00:57:48,120 --> 00:57:52,880
Speaker 2: Sixty years later, they're still fighting Native Americans trying to

1144
00:57:53,120 --> 00:57:58,200
Speaker 2: drive them out. So point being, Uh, the reason I

1145
00:57:58,200 --> 00:58:01,400
Speaker 2: think we we remember of the Indian Wars of the

1146
00:58:01,440 --> 00:58:05,200
Speaker 2: West is because they were later when there was photography

1147
00:58:06,000 --> 00:58:07,920
Speaker 2: and there was just much more documentation.

1148
00:58:08,040 --> 00:58:10,640
Speaker 6: Checked this out. You said that was an eighteen ninety Yeah,

1149
00:58:10,840 --> 00:58:12,520
Speaker 6: I was born seventy years later.

1150
00:58:13,360 --> 00:58:17,880
Speaker 3: Really, my granddad was born eight.

1151
00:58:17,880 --> 00:58:20,880
Speaker 2: Years after that, So you were, you know, a seventy

1152
00:58:20,960 --> 00:58:23,720
Speaker 2: year old man or an eighty year old man when

1153
00:58:23,760 --> 00:58:25,640
Speaker 2: you were born would have been like, oh yeah, I

1154
00:58:25,680 --> 00:58:27,640
Speaker 2: remember the Battle of Wounded and he for real could

1155
00:58:27,680 --> 00:58:28,280
Speaker 2: have talked to him.

1156
00:58:28,560 --> 00:58:29,120
Speaker 6: Yeah.

1157
00:58:29,280 --> 00:58:31,960
Speaker 2: Man, When you start thinking about history like that, it

1158
00:58:32,160 --> 00:58:35,480
Speaker 2: really you realize how short life is, or they or

1159
00:58:35,520 --> 00:58:39,439
Speaker 2: how short history history is. I mean, we we think

1160
00:58:39,520 --> 00:58:41,440
Speaker 2: like the eighteen hundreds of so long ago. Man, it

1161
00:58:41,480 --> 00:58:42,640
Speaker 2: was like yesterday, the.

1162
00:58:42,600 --> 00:58:47,000
Speaker 3: Last Civil War. Widow just died recently, yea, oh that's right.

1163
00:58:47,080 --> 00:58:48,880
Speaker 1: She was real young when she was married.

1164
00:58:48,960 --> 00:58:52,240
Speaker 6: Yeah, but I mean, there's your you're still receiving a pension.

1165
00:58:52,480 --> 00:58:57,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's incredible. Yeah, yeah, uh no, but that's a

1166
00:58:57,520 --> 00:58:59,480
Speaker 2: good that's a good point. There was a lot of

1167
00:58:59,480 --> 00:59:00,720
Speaker 2: fighting going on over here.

1168
00:59:00,800 --> 00:59:02,680
Speaker 6: Yeah, it was duking it out everywhere.

1169
00:59:02,920 --> 00:59:05,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, Kyle, what's that to you?

1170
00:59:05,640 --> 00:59:08,920
Speaker 3: Well, the idea of the podcast or your question you

1171
00:59:08,920 --> 00:59:11,640
Speaker 3: asked a couple of time is why do they revere

1172
00:59:12,400 --> 00:59:16,240
Speaker 3: Osola at the time? Why do we still talk about him?

1173
00:59:16,680 --> 00:59:19,280
Speaker 3: And I think that for me what comes through there,

1174
00:59:19,320 --> 00:59:21,480
Speaker 3: there's a couple of things. And you know, the deal

1175
00:59:21,520 --> 00:59:23,560
Speaker 3: about the treaty, whether he stabbed it or whether he

1176
00:59:23,640 --> 00:59:26,760
Speaker 3: waved his knife or whatever he said to the last

1177
00:59:26,840 --> 00:59:29,520
Speaker 3: drop of blood, this is it right here. Well, when

1178
00:59:29,520 --> 00:59:31,560
Speaker 3: you're that kind of a leader and you have the

1179
00:59:32,000 --> 00:59:34,640
Speaker 3: appearance that he had, and they put that kind of

1180
00:59:34,640 --> 00:59:37,920
Speaker 3: effort into their appearance, and Indians did that, I mean,

1181
00:59:38,000 --> 00:59:40,320
Speaker 3: especially with leader Indians, you know, I mean they wanted

1182
00:59:40,320 --> 00:59:42,959
Speaker 3: to look like a strutton, turkey or whatever in the sun.

1183
00:59:43,000 --> 00:59:46,880
Speaker 3: They wanted that red. You know. Well, that to me

1184
00:59:47,400 --> 00:59:49,840
Speaker 3: is why I think one of the things that he

1185
00:59:49,920 --> 00:59:52,280
Speaker 3: was revered at the time, You always revere that kind

1186
00:59:52,280 --> 00:59:55,880
Speaker 3: of leader. And I thought to make it full circle.

1187
00:59:55,960 --> 01:00:00,240
Speaker 3: My wife is from Osceola County, Iowa. Her dad fought

1188
01:00:00,240 --> 01:00:04,080
Speaker 3: in World War Two. His unit, his their crest, regimental

1189
01:00:04,080 --> 01:00:05,439
Speaker 3: Crest was to the last man.

1190
01:00:06,040 --> 01:00:06,360
Speaker 1: Mmm.

1191
01:00:06,920 --> 01:00:11,760
Speaker 3: And there it is, you know, the war. Yeah, the

1192
01:00:11,800 --> 01:00:15,040
Speaker 3: warrior hero. You know, it's that doesn't mean everything about

1193
01:00:15,040 --> 01:00:19,080
Speaker 3: the person is was, you know, perfect or whatever. But

1194
01:00:19,160 --> 01:00:22,200
Speaker 3: when you have that kind of charisma and leadership and

1195
01:00:22,240 --> 01:00:24,640
Speaker 3: the ability to lead me in or to take on

1196
01:00:24,760 --> 01:00:27,960
Speaker 3: all odds, it's it's always inspiring to people, you know.

1197
01:00:28,040 --> 01:00:29,440
Speaker 3: So that's what that's what is it for me?

1198
01:00:30,560 --> 01:00:33,040
Speaker 1: What do you guys think about all this stuff?

1199
01:00:34,360 --> 01:00:38,680
Speaker 2: Obviously I find it interesting the lore versus what people

1200
01:00:38,800 --> 01:00:43,600
Speaker 2: actually think happened. Like, so you got in trouble, well

1201
01:00:43,720 --> 01:00:46,920
Speaker 2: with with with the slavery.

1202
01:00:47,160 --> 01:00:48,200
Speaker 1: I want to talk about that.

1203
01:00:48,400 --> 01:00:50,000
Speaker 3: I think she was too hard on you, but go ahead.

1204
01:00:50,520 --> 01:00:55,040
Speaker 2: Well I want to talk about that for sure, but like, uh,

1205
01:00:55,400 --> 01:00:59,080
Speaker 2: you know, like talking about like did he stab the

1206
01:00:59,120 --> 01:00:59,680
Speaker 2: treaty or not?

1207
01:01:00,520 --> 01:01:00,720
Speaker 6: Right?

1208
01:01:01,040 --> 01:01:04,160
Speaker 1: I mean, I think there's probably a pretty good chance

1209
01:01:04,240 --> 01:01:04,640
Speaker 1: he did.

1210
01:01:05,440 --> 01:01:08,760
Speaker 2: But there's how much poetic license, you know, I mean,

1211
01:01:08,880 --> 01:01:11,720
Speaker 2: he was there, like we know that he had a knife.

1212
01:01:11,840 --> 01:01:14,800
Speaker 2: They said that the guy said he did have a knife,

1213
01:01:14,800 --> 01:01:16,680
Speaker 2: that he waved around, I mean.

1214
01:01:26,480 --> 01:01:27,720
Speaker 1: Justification. So I went on.

1215
01:01:27,800 --> 01:01:31,360
Speaker 2: I actually went online and looked at the treaty. You

1216
01:01:31,400 --> 01:01:34,960
Speaker 2: can just type it in, is it was it pains treaty.

1217
01:01:35,320 --> 01:01:38,200
Speaker 2: You can type it in and see this handwritten treaty.

1218
01:01:38,240 --> 01:01:41,280
Speaker 2: It's like nine pages long that some dude just wrote out,

1219
01:01:41,400 --> 01:01:42,960
Speaker 2: just put the date on. I mean, you know what,

1220
01:01:43,040 --> 01:01:45,080
Speaker 2: I guess they're not going to print.

1221
01:01:45,120 --> 01:01:47,320
Speaker 1: They're not going to be like print the treaty.

1222
01:01:47,600 --> 01:01:50,320
Speaker 2: I mean, so it had to be handwritten obviously, but

1223
01:01:50,320 --> 01:01:54,320
Speaker 2: but I mean it's just like you couldn't hardly even

1224
01:01:54,360 --> 01:01:56,320
Speaker 2: read it, you know, and it's like it's like given,

1225
01:01:56,440 --> 01:01:59,440
Speaker 2: it's like seating, you know, all these millions of acres.

1226
01:01:59,800 --> 01:02:01,680
Speaker 1: I I didn't see a hole in it. I thought

1227
01:02:01,720 --> 01:02:03,120
Speaker 1: I might see like, oh yeah.

1228
01:02:03,040 --> 01:02:05,120
Speaker 3: Says I can't read this. It doesn't matter, it's right, you.

1229
01:02:05,120 --> 01:02:11,760
Speaker 2: Know, son No, But it's consequential because us, as somebody

1230
01:02:11,760 --> 01:02:16,360
Speaker 2: who's interested in history. If you read this book right here,

1231
01:02:16,720 --> 01:02:20,360
Speaker 2: which is a good book written by Tom Matt Hatch,

1232
01:02:20,800 --> 01:02:23,880
Speaker 2: this is my first book I read, you would one

1233
01:02:24,280 --> 01:02:26,800
Speaker 2: percent just think that it was just verified that he

1234
01:02:26,840 --> 01:02:29,680
Speaker 2: stabbed a treaty. You would also think that it was

1235
01:02:29,720 --> 01:02:34,280
Speaker 2: one hundreds percent black and white. Ostiola was anti slavery

1236
01:02:34,520 --> 01:02:39,240
Speaker 2: and was making political gestures about slavery to America with

1237
01:02:39,280 --> 01:02:42,480
Speaker 2: his actions. If you read this book, when you read

1238
01:02:42,800 --> 01:02:48,560
Speaker 2: doctor Wickman's Ostiola's Legacy Revised Edition, that thing is like

1239
01:02:48,600 --> 01:02:51,800
Speaker 2: a hunk of white oak. I mean, this is like

1240
01:02:51,920 --> 01:02:55,840
Speaker 2: a this is like dense to the you know, she

1241
01:02:55,840 --> 01:02:57,880
Speaker 2: she kind of parses through all that stuff and it's

1242
01:02:57,920 --> 01:03:02,120
Speaker 2: like and basically her point about stabbing the treaty is that.

1243
01:03:03,440 --> 01:03:05,720
Speaker 1: The guy that the first.

1244
01:03:05,440 --> 01:03:09,760
Speaker 2: Time anybody ever wrote about stabbing the treaty was fourteen

1245
01:03:09,880 --> 01:03:15,240
Speaker 2: years after the treaty was signed. Nobody came out of

1246
01:03:15,280 --> 01:03:21,240
Speaker 2: the meeting and was like fourteen years later when they're

1247
01:03:21,320 --> 01:03:24,720
Speaker 2: analyzing it, and you know how they did. Those writers

1248
01:03:24,760 --> 01:03:26,920
Speaker 2: back in those days, it's the primary way to communicate

1249
01:03:26,920 --> 01:03:29,240
Speaker 2: with the world. There was no television and internet, and

1250
01:03:30,040 --> 01:03:32,280
Speaker 2: these guys took a lot. They were very poetic, very

1251
01:03:32,280 --> 01:03:36,960
Speaker 2: good writers, took some liberty with stuff. So that's clue

1252
01:03:37,040 --> 01:03:40,120
Speaker 2: number one is that fourteen years later is the first

1253
01:03:40,160 --> 01:03:43,959
Speaker 2: time that it arises. But then what doctor Wickman says

1254
01:03:44,080 --> 01:03:47,560
Speaker 2: is that the one eyewitness account of someone that was

1255
01:03:47,600 --> 01:03:52,600
Speaker 2: there that it was documented made no mention of a

1256
01:03:52,640 --> 01:03:53,480
Speaker 2: treaty stab.

1257
01:03:54,760 --> 01:03:58,160
Speaker 1: So you see what I'm saying. But when you talk

1258
01:03:58,240 --> 01:03:59,680
Speaker 1: to Jake, Tiger and.

1259
01:04:00,080 --> 01:04:04,000
Speaker 2: Earling, it's pretty it's pretty bold for me to say, like,

1260
01:04:04,120 --> 01:04:07,280
Speaker 2: I don't know if that happened.

1261
01:04:07,000 --> 01:04:09,040
Speaker 6: Well, that the witness, you know, he could have had

1262
01:04:09,080 --> 01:04:10,960
Speaker 6: a biased opinion about it, Like I ain't going to

1263
01:04:11,040 --> 01:04:14,520
Speaker 6: make this guy look at oh sill, forget that guy.

1264
01:04:14,560 --> 01:04:16,160
Speaker 6: I ain't going to give you any kind of props

1265
01:04:16,240 --> 01:04:17,680
Speaker 6: or anything. He may have just omitted it.

1266
01:04:18,400 --> 01:04:20,600
Speaker 3: I need you to take your knife out of the treaty.

1267
01:04:21,760 --> 01:04:31,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, but my point is the cultural significance to them

1268
01:04:31,480 --> 01:04:35,240
Speaker 2: is so real. Sure, Like I actually wonder if Jake

1269
01:04:35,280 --> 01:04:37,800
Speaker 2: and Sterling are upset with me for like bringing it

1270
01:04:37,840 --> 01:04:39,760
Speaker 2: to attension that maybe it didn't happen.

1271
01:04:39,520 --> 01:04:42,320
Speaker 6: Well, which is the very same reason why they Was

1272
01:04:42,320 --> 01:04:46,320
Speaker 6: that eyewitness, uh white or was he a Native American?

1273
01:04:46,560 --> 01:04:47,840
Speaker 1: I'm sure it was a white guy.

1274
01:04:47,840 --> 01:04:49,680
Speaker 6: So I mean that it would be important for him

1275
01:04:50,040 --> 01:04:51,800
Speaker 6: to be looking on the better side of that.

1276
01:04:52,360 --> 01:04:56,120
Speaker 3: Frent and I went and interviewed witnesses and had seven statements.

1277
01:04:56,880 --> 01:04:59,280
Speaker 3: We might have one that said, oh, yeah, the knife

1278
01:04:59,280 --> 01:05:00,920
Speaker 3: was sticking in it, didn't see him do it, But

1279
01:05:01,560 --> 01:05:04,479
Speaker 3: you know, it's just gonna be hard to really pin down.

1280
01:05:04,760 --> 01:05:07,880
Speaker 5: My friend Brent Reeves says, the best way to get

1281
01:05:07,920 --> 01:05:11,240
Speaker 5: conflicting stories is to get to eyewitnesses.

1282
01:05:11,800 --> 01:05:12,360
Speaker 1: The same thing.

1283
01:05:12,440 --> 01:05:14,800
Speaker 6: Yeah, one got to be saying, well it was Tuesday,

1284
01:05:15,560 --> 01:05:20,040
Speaker 6: it was thirteen minutes ago. Yeah, yeah, it's a different.

1285
01:05:19,760 --> 01:05:27,520
Speaker 2: Well, I I hope it also came through that regardless

1286
01:05:27,600 --> 01:05:31,400
Speaker 2: of whether it happened or it didn't, it didn't matter, right,

1287
01:05:31,480 --> 01:05:36,880
Speaker 2: Like it it branded the seminoles with with with it,

1288
01:05:36,960 --> 01:05:39,479
Speaker 2: with the kind of this identity that they already had,

1289
01:05:39,720 --> 01:05:42,400
Speaker 2: Like it fit the narrative that was true.

1290
01:05:42,360 --> 01:05:46,120
Speaker 5: Which may have been that writer's license to make the

1291
01:05:46,200 --> 01:05:47,840
Speaker 5: statement if it wasn't true.

1292
01:05:47,760 --> 01:05:49,960
Speaker 2: Right, And I mean, and whether he did it or not,

1293
01:05:50,040 --> 01:05:52,880
Speaker 2: it's not like, well Osciola was a coward because he

1294
01:05:52,960 --> 01:05:54,720
Speaker 2: didn't stab it, Like you see what I'm saying.

1295
01:05:55,520 --> 01:05:58,720
Speaker 5: It's like we all know he was brandishing the knife. Yeah,

1296
01:05:58,920 --> 01:06:02,880
Speaker 5: and nobody said put that uh yeah yeah, clap that

1297
01:06:02,920 --> 01:06:03,520
Speaker 5: guy in irons.

1298
01:06:04,280 --> 01:06:07,280
Speaker 1: Yeah okay. So yeah.

1299
01:06:07,920 --> 01:06:11,040
Speaker 2: The now, this is where I've yet to determine if

1300
01:06:11,120 --> 01:06:14,480
Speaker 2: I'm kind of like in trouble or not, because man,

1301
01:06:14,920 --> 01:06:18,880
Speaker 2: talking about this stuff is not you tell, there's there's

1302
01:06:19,040 --> 01:06:23,920
Speaker 2: risk cultural risk in today's world about talking about race

1303
01:06:24,520 --> 01:06:28,480
Speaker 2: and different things like this, and uh fact, well, but

1304
01:06:28,680 --> 01:06:31,880
Speaker 2: that's just the thing. Doctor Wickman was adamant of what

1305
01:06:31,960 --> 01:06:35,160
Speaker 2: she told me, and I didn't play the whole even

1306
01:06:35,280 --> 01:06:37,640
Speaker 2: being fair to doctor Wickman too. We talked about that

1307
01:06:37,720 --> 01:06:42,040
Speaker 2: for probably thirty minutes. You guys probably heard six minutes.

1308
01:06:42,320 --> 01:06:44,160
Speaker 3: That's what I thought. I thought, she's a little hard

1309
01:06:44,200 --> 01:06:46,360
Speaker 3: on you. She's golded you a little bit, you know,

1310
01:06:47,320 --> 01:06:49,720
Speaker 3: and then proceeded to tell you how they were culturvated.

1311
01:06:50,680 --> 01:06:52,000
Speaker 1: Okay, I see what you're saying.

1312
01:06:52,080 --> 01:06:54,280
Speaker 3: I mean, but I think she wanted to make sure

1313
01:06:54,320 --> 01:06:57,880
Speaker 3: the whole story was there, not just some you know, real.

1314
01:06:57,960 --> 01:06:59,680
Speaker 1: So you're saying, you're saying.

1315
01:07:01,880 --> 01:07:04,840
Speaker 3: They were eventually, I mean, they were living. They said,

1316
01:07:05,000 --> 01:07:07,240
Speaker 3: you know that when the Blacks came in, they they

1317
01:07:07,240 --> 01:07:09,480
Speaker 3: didn't just readily accept them, but they knew they could

1318
01:07:09,520 --> 01:07:11,240
Speaker 3: produce food and so they had a deal with and

1319
01:07:11,280 --> 01:07:13,200
Speaker 3: some of them, they talk about some of them would

1320
01:07:13,240 --> 01:07:15,640
Speaker 3: fight with them. Well that's a cultureating, right, I said, that,

1321
01:07:15,720 --> 01:07:16,280
Speaker 3: isn't that them?

1322
01:07:16,600 --> 01:07:17,320
Speaker 6: One hundred percent?

1323
01:07:17,480 --> 01:07:19,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, So I think you were right. It's just that

1324
01:07:19,760 --> 01:07:21,840
Speaker 3: you think he maybe didn't what you go on two fasts, what.

1325
01:07:21,880 --> 01:07:23,920
Speaker 2: She was trying to stamp out, which she did a

1326
01:07:23,960 --> 01:07:27,240
Speaker 2: good job of, which I mean according to her, and

1327
01:07:27,520 --> 01:07:31,320
Speaker 2: I trust what she says was that it wasn't like

1328
01:07:31,360 --> 01:07:35,280
Speaker 2: a political statement about slavery, because you go to the

1329
01:07:35,280 --> 01:07:39,520
Speaker 2: Wikipedia page today for Ostiola and it says Ostiola was

1330
01:07:40,280 --> 01:07:45,080
Speaker 2: anti slavery and that's why people liked him, essentially, And

1331
01:07:45,160 --> 01:07:47,280
Speaker 2: she was like, no, no, no, no, no no, no, like

1332
01:07:47,280 --> 01:07:47,720
Speaker 2: you know that.

1333
01:07:47,680 --> 01:07:51,520
Speaker 6: You're going to put something on Wikipedia, right, yeah.

1334
01:07:51,440 --> 01:07:54,919
Speaker 2: That doesn't mean much exactly, I'm gonna put a clay

1335
01:07:55,000 --> 01:07:55,600
Speaker 2: nukeleman it.

1336
01:07:56,240 --> 01:07:56,439
Speaker 1: No.

1337
01:07:57,280 --> 01:08:02,320
Speaker 6: It was also left handed, twirl the knife twice. Yeah.

1338
01:08:02,400 --> 01:08:06,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, well so yeah, it kind of got to the

1339
01:08:06,080 --> 01:08:07,840
Speaker 1: same place. And I liked her.

1340
01:08:08,040 --> 01:08:09,680
Speaker 3: I don't mean I'm not saying anthing against her. I

1341
01:08:09,760 --> 01:08:12,760
Speaker 3: just thought, wait a minute, I think it's kind of real.

1342
01:08:12,920 --> 01:08:17,360
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, but but again to her credit, I think

1343
01:08:17,960 --> 01:08:21,960
Speaker 2: it's easy to take a narrative and Migo Ossio it

1344
01:08:22,000 --> 01:08:26,759
Speaker 2: was anti slavery. They assimilated, you know, these these enslaved people,

1345
01:08:26,760 --> 01:08:30,240
Speaker 2: formerly enslaved people into their tribes and just made them

1346
01:08:30,280 --> 01:08:30,920
Speaker 2: like seminoles.

1347
01:08:31,600 --> 01:08:35,160
Speaker 1: And she's like, well, it wasn't not really quite like that,

1348
01:08:35,280 --> 01:08:37,479
Speaker 1: even though that's kind of where it got.

1349
01:08:37,320 --> 01:08:39,599
Speaker 6: To It wasn't like they was like, oh y'all, come

1350
01:08:39,640 --> 01:08:42,080
Speaker 6: on down. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it didn't happen like.

1351
01:08:42,160 --> 01:08:46,639
Speaker 2: You know, like you and you think about disenfranchised people

1352
01:08:46,680 --> 01:08:51,439
Speaker 2: of that time, these two groups of people were we're

1353
01:08:51,479 --> 01:08:54,360
Speaker 2: at the at the bottom of the of the tiered

1354
01:08:54,520 --> 01:08:59,360
Speaker 2: system in America. I mean, I don't think the seminoles

1355
01:08:59,360 --> 01:09:05,560
Speaker 2: were like, they weren't viewing enslaved people as like a

1356
01:09:05,600 --> 01:09:08,040
Speaker 2: group of people that needed to be protected. Right, do

1357
01:09:08,080 --> 01:09:10,160
Speaker 2: you see what I'm saying. Yeah, I mean they were.

1358
01:09:10,439 --> 01:09:13,360
Speaker 2: They were fighting for their lives to worry about.

1359
01:09:13,720 --> 01:09:13,920
Speaker 6: Yeah.

1360
01:09:13,960 --> 01:09:15,200
Speaker 1: So it's not like they were like, you know what,

1361
01:09:15,240 --> 01:09:16,400
Speaker 1: we're going to be charitable.

1362
01:09:16,840 --> 01:09:20,080
Speaker 5: Well again again again we're looking at these things through

1363
01:09:20,160 --> 01:09:24,160
Speaker 5: our own cultural interpretation. You know, we've talked plenty about

1364
01:09:24,680 --> 01:09:27,599
Speaker 5: how we see things you just mentioned about centralized government,

1365
01:09:27,680 --> 01:09:30,280
Speaker 5: and the Indians didn't even have a concept of that. I mean,

1366
01:09:30,360 --> 01:09:33,240
Speaker 5: we don't know, we don't know how they viewed slavery.

1367
01:09:33,280 --> 01:09:35,200
Speaker 5: We don't know how they would have viewed these people

1368
01:09:35,240 --> 01:09:37,640
Speaker 5: coming in and in their mind they might have just

1369
01:09:37,680 --> 01:09:39,599
Speaker 5: been friend or foe, you know what I mean. It's

1370
01:09:39,680 --> 01:09:42,840
Speaker 5: not about not about whether we should assimilate, you know,

1371
01:09:43,040 --> 01:09:45,439
Speaker 5: or stand up for your rights as a human. I

1372
01:09:45,439 --> 01:09:48,120
Speaker 5: don't know that that was a perspective of the natives

1373
01:09:48,120 --> 01:09:49,439
Speaker 5: of the Seminoles at that time.

1374
01:09:49,720 --> 01:09:51,080
Speaker 6: Yeah yeah, yeah.

1375
01:09:51,120 --> 01:09:57,080
Speaker 2: Well what what also wasn't disputed was that they owned slaves.

1376
01:09:57,160 --> 01:10:01,120
Speaker 1: They owned African slaves, because.

1377
01:10:00,760 --> 01:10:04,800
Speaker 5: The Semino it's documented that the owned African slaves. Well,

1378
01:10:04,960 --> 01:10:07,040
Speaker 5: I think that's pretty good, pretty good.

1379
01:10:07,120 --> 01:10:09,800
Speaker 3: Well, they purchased something purchased.

1380
01:10:09,560 --> 01:10:12,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean because when they when they were

1381
01:10:12,200 --> 01:10:14,559
Speaker 2: trying trying to move the trial, and this is where

1382
01:10:14,640 --> 01:10:18,040
Speaker 2: I believe that doctor Wickman and and all these other

1383
01:10:18,080 --> 01:10:21,080
Speaker 2: guys say it too, but was when they were trying

1384
01:10:21,080 --> 01:10:23,720
Speaker 2: to move them to Oklahoma, the United States government was

1385
01:10:23,840 --> 01:10:28,240
Speaker 2: buying their livestock, buying different stuff from them to try

1386
01:10:28,280 --> 01:10:30,800
Speaker 2: to compensate them for because they were gonna have to

1387
01:10:30,840 --> 01:10:33,880
Speaker 2: leave all that stuff there and leave, which is just

1388
01:10:33,920 --> 01:10:36,360
Speaker 2: a wild thought, but they were.

1389
01:10:36,400 --> 01:10:36,800
Speaker 6: They were.

1390
01:10:36,920 --> 01:10:41,120
Speaker 1: There was controversy over what to do with their slaves.

1391
01:10:40,680 --> 01:10:42,479
Speaker 2: Because they were like, well, we're not going to pay

1392
01:10:42,560 --> 01:10:46,479
Speaker 2: you for a slave that escaped from this guy up

1393
01:10:46,479 --> 01:10:51,880
Speaker 2: in Georgia, that that slave, that enslaved person is going

1394
01:10:51,960 --> 01:10:55,240
Speaker 2: back to that guy. We're not paying you for something

1395
01:10:55,280 --> 01:10:58,200
Speaker 2: that basically was stolen, but they paid.

1396
01:10:57,960 --> 01:11:03,639
Speaker 1: For him for somebody I don't know. It's wild, so wild.

1397
01:11:04,080 --> 01:11:06,160
Speaker 3: It's never just black and white, cut and dry. It's

1398
01:11:06,200 --> 01:11:08,320
Speaker 3: always the z In diagram of some kind. You know,

1399
01:11:08,360 --> 01:11:10,840
Speaker 3: there's stuff in here and stuff over here and stuff so,

1400
01:11:11,120 --> 01:11:13,200
Speaker 3: which is kind of cool, which is why I appreciate

1401
01:11:13,200 --> 01:11:16,000
Speaker 3: you wading in there with these kind of stories, because

1402
01:11:16,520 --> 01:11:18,840
Speaker 3: it's the Seminoles history, it's our history, and it's all

1403
01:11:18,840 --> 01:11:21,800
Speaker 3: American history. We're all Americans, and the more we know

1404
01:11:22,800 --> 01:11:25,639
Speaker 3: how this all went, the better off we are. I think. Yeah,

1405
01:11:25,760 --> 01:11:28,000
Speaker 3: I don't think it's bad at all. Yeah, yeah, you know,

1406
01:11:28,080 --> 01:11:28,960
Speaker 3: you take the arrows.

1407
01:11:29,000 --> 01:11:31,840
Speaker 2: But well, and the reason I said I don't know

1408
01:11:31,880 --> 01:11:35,599
Speaker 2: that I'm not in trouble yet is and I'm kind

1409
01:11:35,600 --> 01:11:39,160
Speaker 2: of I don't really think. I don't really mean that,

1410
01:11:39,640 --> 01:11:42,799
Speaker 2: but there are And this is what I just don't understand.

1411
01:11:42,800 --> 01:11:44,559
Speaker 2: Like we didn't cover the whole topic. I mean, we

1412
01:11:44,600 --> 01:11:46,800
Speaker 2: talked about it for like eight minutes, right, so that

1413
01:11:46,960 --> 01:11:52,120
Speaker 2: is not the final definitive story on you know, African

1414
01:11:52,240 --> 01:11:53,680
Speaker 2: slaves and the Seminoles.

1415
01:11:54,000 --> 01:11:57,800
Speaker 1: But there are people that they called the black.

1416
01:11:57,520 --> 01:12:03,000
Speaker 2: Seminoles in Florida that I mean, I don't know the

1417
01:12:03,000 --> 01:12:04,639
Speaker 2: whole the complexity of the whole story.

1418
01:12:04,680 --> 01:12:08,040
Speaker 1: But it's it's very interesting. What bear what stood out

1419
01:12:08,080 --> 01:12:08,320
Speaker 1: to you?

1420
01:12:08,479 --> 01:12:10,800
Speaker 2: I told you I was gonna yeah, kind of the

1421
01:12:10,840 --> 01:12:15,200
Speaker 2: biggest thing that I thought was interesting was whenever you

1422
01:12:15,280 --> 01:12:18,080
Speaker 2: were talking about and doctor Wickman was talking about the

1423
01:12:18,120 --> 01:12:21,280
Speaker 2: way that they viewed the land, like the part about

1424
01:12:21,320 --> 01:12:22,559
Speaker 2: the you know knows the deer.

1425
01:12:22,600 --> 01:12:24,600
Speaker 1: That was cool just because.

1426
01:12:25,960 --> 01:12:28,960
Speaker 2: That's just not a way that I could ever, Like,

1427
01:12:29,000 --> 01:12:33,439
Speaker 2: I can't really imagine being able to think that way,

1428
01:12:33,520 --> 01:12:35,880
Speaker 2: to not have a perfect idea in your mind of

1429
01:12:35,960 --> 01:12:38,120
Speaker 2: right where you're at on a map, but just to

1430
01:12:38,240 --> 01:12:40,080
Speaker 2: kind of have like a general understanding of it.

1431
01:12:40,439 --> 01:12:42,320
Speaker 1: But then also the way that.

1432
01:12:42,280 --> 01:12:45,840
Speaker 2: They kind of viewed like land ownership, Like you know,

1433
01:12:45,880 --> 01:12:47,519
Speaker 2: they kind of viewed the land as like something they

1434
01:12:47,560 --> 01:12:51,360
Speaker 2: occupy and more of like a privilege, something to take

1435
01:12:51,400 --> 01:12:54,800
Speaker 2: care of, which is just like so far outside of

1436
01:12:55,400 --> 01:12:56,920
Speaker 2: my realm of thought.

1437
01:12:57,120 --> 01:12:59,640
Speaker 1: Just you know, like when I think of land, I

1438
01:12:59,680 --> 01:13:01,040
Speaker 1: think who owns it?

1439
01:13:01,080 --> 01:13:03,040
Speaker 2: You know, like it's not an exact it's not a

1440
01:13:03,600 --> 01:13:06,240
Speaker 2: there's there's no question of you know, it's like every

1441
01:13:06,320 --> 01:13:08,479
Speaker 2: piece of land right now that I could go to

1442
01:13:08,600 --> 01:13:11,439
Speaker 2: someone owns. So that was just kind of like whenever

1443
01:13:11,479 --> 01:13:13,280
Speaker 2: I tried to think about that and actually think about

1444
01:13:13,320 --> 01:13:16,240
Speaker 2: the way that they would have thought about land, it

1445
01:13:16,320 --> 01:13:18,800
Speaker 2: was actually like kind of it was difficult to actually

1446
01:13:18,800 --> 01:13:20,040
Speaker 2: wrap my right mind around it.

1447
01:13:21,000 --> 01:13:22,960
Speaker 6: It was the way you know, I grew up in

1448
01:13:23,000 --> 01:13:26,920
Speaker 6: Southeast Arkansas. It was a big timber company owns acres

1449
01:13:26,960 --> 01:13:29,719
Speaker 6: and acres and acres that's now least in sectioned off

1450
01:13:30,080 --> 01:13:31,920
Speaker 6: when I was a kid. When I was your age

1451
01:13:32,520 --> 01:13:35,160
Speaker 6: was not. There was no leasing. You just were hunting

1452
01:13:35,160 --> 01:13:38,599
Speaker 6: wherever you wanted to. And that's I get a glimpse

1453
01:13:38,640 --> 01:13:39,719
Speaker 6: of how they were looking.

1454
01:13:39,560 --> 01:13:41,400
Speaker 1: Because people had kind of territories.

1455
01:13:41,720 --> 01:13:46,360
Speaker 6: Yeah, but you didn't. But everything was you couldn't get

1456
01:13:46,400 --> 01:13:49,479
Speaker 6: any there was no recourse. There was no backlash if

1457
01:13:49,479 --> 01:13:53,080
Speaker 6: you went somewhere because it was open to everybody. Yeah,

1458
01:13:53,120 --> 01:13:55,679
Speaker 6: but it was private land, probably owned by the timber company.

1459
01:13:56,240 --> 01:13:59,080
Speaker 6: It's much like going into a WMA. Right now, you know,

1460
01:13:59,280 --> 01:14:01,920
Speaker 6: some guy a trigger out beside you. You can't say

1461
01:14:01,960 --> 01:14:06,800
Speaker 6: nothing about it. Yeah, but it was along what you're

1462
01:14:06,800 --> 01:14:09,960
Speaker 6: talking about there and talking about the cypress tree being

1463
01:14:10,000 --> 01:14:13,040
Speaker 6: the first thing they described. You remember that part, yeah,

1464
01:14:13,160 --> 01:14:15,559
Speaker 6: where she was taking those pictures down there. Yeah, and

1465
01:14:15,600 --> 01:14:18,439
Speaker 6: they immediately recognized that cy tree. That was I thought

1466
01:14:18,479 --> 01:14:20,400
Speaker 6: that's where you was going with that. That is so yeah,

1467
01:14:20,439 --> 01:14:21,240
Speaker 6: it was really cool.

1468
01:14:21,280 --> 01:14:23,000
Speaker 3: Well, the picture I got in my head when you're

1469
01:14:23,000 --> 01:14:27,000
Speaker 3: talking about them figuring that out is a couple of

1470
01:14:27,560 --> 01:14:30,840
Speaker 3: Indians on the ground drawing it out. I guess they're

1471
01:14:31,080 --> 01:14:33,640
Speaker 3: the shape of Florida, you know that. That's how I

1472
01:14:33,800 --> 01:14:35,559
Speaker 3: figured they maybe got it in their heads. Or then

1473
01:14:35,640 --> 01:14:37,280
Speaker 3: somebody said the those of the deer. It was like

1474
01:14:37,320 --> 01:14:38,719
Speaker 3: a deer, yeah or whatever.

1475
01:14:38,800 --> 01:14:41,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it also made sense like how like whenever

1476
01:14:41,840 --> 01:14:44,840
Speaker 2: the Europeans came over, they kind of had this mindset

1477
01:14:45,120 --> 01:14:48,040
Speaker 2: of the land just as some sort of you know,

1478
01:14:48,080 --> 01:14:50,519
Speaker 2: they kind of had like a utilitarian mindset on just

1479
01:14:50,560 --> 01:14:54,000
Speaker 2: like you know, because it wasn't a place that they

1480
01:14:54,000 --> 01:14:57,040
Speaker 2: would have lived and grown up in, like whereas the

1481
01:14:57,080 --> 01:14:59,960
Speaker 2: Seminoles they would have lived grown up there for generation

1482
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:02,559
Speaker 2: and after generation after generation, so it would have kind

1483
01:15:02,560 --> 01:15:06,120
Speaker 2: of been like this land that was it wasn't theirs,

1484
01:15:06,160 --> 01:15:07,920
Speaker 2: but it was like, you know, it was just like

1485
01:15:07,960 --> 01:15:10,720
Speaker 2: their home, whereas like the Europeans come in its land

1486
01:15:10,720 --> 01:15:13,680
Speaker 2: they've never seen before, and so immediately it's just kind

1487
01:15:13,720 --> 01:15:14,200
Speaker 2: of like.

1488
01:15:14,320 --> 01:15:16,680
Speaker 1: The you know, the utilitarian commodity.

1489
01:15:16,880 --> 01:15:19,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, the mindset of like, you know, dividing it up

1490
01:15:19,720 --> 01:15:23,360
Speaker 2: who owns it, and it was just a different way

1491
01:15:24,160 --> 01:15:24,800
Speaker 2: to think about it.

1492
01:15:24,840 --> 01:15:26,280
Speaker 1: And really it makes a lot of sense.

1493
01:15:26,400 --> 01:15:28,559
Speaker 2: I mean, like if you think about it, you know,

1494
01:15:29,000 --> 01:15:31,960
Speaker 2: we're just you know, what gives us the right to

1495
01:15:32,040 --> 01:15:33,760
Speaker 2: just like claim a piece of land.

1496
01:15:34,120 --> 01:15:36,880
Speaker 6: Durance, it's just ours right now.

1497
01:15:37,080 --> 01:15:39,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, it has a cute little phrase about it's just

1498
01:15:39,840 --> 01:15:41,040
Speaker 2: our turn.

1499
01:15:41,200 --> 01:15:45,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, Leopold said something like that too, but stewardship of

1500
01:15:45,200 --> 01:15:47,360
Speaker 3: it for now or something, you know, but it's kind

1501
01:15:47,360 --> 01:15:50,040
Speaker 3: of we looked at it as unoccupied. That's the problem.

1502
01:15:50,880 --> 01:15:52,360
Speaker 3: That's wild open country.

1503
01:15:52,439 --> 01:15:54,920
Speaker 6: Yeah. Yeah, wow.

1504
01:15:55,400 --> 01:15:57,400
Speaker 1: You know when you think about I've said this before,

1505
01:15:57,439 --> 01:15:58,200
Speaker 1: I said it back.

1506
01:15:58,080 --> 01:16:02,599
Speaker 2: In the Boon series, but if you if it's pretty

1507
01:16:03,600 --> 01:16:08,920
Speaker 2: agreed upon that human civilization started somewhere in the in

1508
01:16:08,920 --> 01:16:09,960
Speaker 2: the Middle Eastern area.

1509
01:16:10,120 --> 01:16:12,240
Speaker 1: I mean, anthropologists.

1510
01:16:11,320 --> 01:16:14,400
Speaker 2: Agree with that, the Bible agrees with that, like human

1511
01:16:14,479 --> 01:16:17,440
Speaker 2: civilization kind of started like in that part of the world.

1512
01:16:20,160 --> 01:16:22,080
Speaker 1: The peopling of America.

1513
01:16:22,200 --> 01:16:25,120
Speaker 2: The best understanding that we have today is that that

1514
01:16:25,240 --> 01:16:28,600
Speaker 2: humans came into North America from the west, you know,

1515
01:16:28,720 --> 01:16:33,080
Speaker 2: from the from the baring Land Bridge.

1516
01:16:32,800 --> 01:16:34,240
Speaker 1: And the Kelp Highway.

1517
01:16:34,320 --> 01:16:38,320
Speaker 2: Now they're quite certain that it wasn't actually across the

1518
01:16:38,320 --> 01:16:41,040
Speaker 2: baring Land Bridge, but came down the Kelp Highway via

1519
01:16:41,240 --> 01:16:44,880
Speaker 2: water down the down the western coast and came into

1520
01:16:45,040 --> 01:16:50,160
Speaker 2: Washington and the Alaskan Lutian Islands and or the Alexander

1521
01:16:50,280 --> 01:16:56,280
Speaker 2: Archipelago islands point being Native Americans came from. If they start,

1522
01:16:56,320 --> 01:16:58,920
Speaker 2: if humans kind of like started in the Middle East,

1523
01:16:59,640 --> 01:17:05,480
Speaker 2: some people people went into Asia, some people went into Europe,

1524
01:17:05,800 --> 01:17:12,000
Speaker 2: and thousands and thousands and thousands of years later they

1525
01:17:12,040 --> 01:17:16,599
Speaker 2: went opposite ways on the globe. And then they met

1526
01:17:16,760 --> 01:17:20,840
Speaker 2: again for the for the first time in Florida. I

1527
01:17:20,840 --> 01:17:25,280
Speaker 2: mean this, Yeah, I mean, so so these humans that

1528
01:17:25,360 --> 01:17:29,160
Speaker 2: were the same species that had been separated for time

1529
01:17:29,200 --> 01:17:33,080
Speaker 2: that we can't really understand, and but they were both humans,

1530
01:17:33,160 --> 01:17:36,960
Speaker 2: and they had these different ideas of what it meant

1531
01:17:36,960 --> 01:17:38,679
Speaker 2: to be human. And that would be a great example

1532
01:17:39,040 --> 01:17:43,400
Speaker 2: land Like somehow the Europeans, you know, probably because of

1533
01:17:43,439 --> 01:17:50,280
Speaker 2: civilization or because of this technology and there was more agriculture,

1534
01:17:50,320 --> 01:17:52,280
Speaker 2: they were building cities, they were you.

1535
01:17:52,240 --> 01:17:54,400
Speaker 1: Think maybe like higher population densities.

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01:17:54,520 --> 01:18:00,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, for sure, higher population densities. And and then

1537
01:18:01,000 --> 01:18:02,559
Speaker 2: and so they were like, hey, we got we got

1538
01:18:02,600 --> 01:18:04,160
Speaker 2: to figure out who owns this land. We're going to

1539
01:18:04,280 --> 01:18:06,639
Speaker 2: draw lines on a map. We're going to make a map.

1540
01:18:06,760 --> 01:18:08,800
Speaker 2: We're gonna have lines, and people are going to be

1541
01:18:08,800 --> 01:18:12,600
Speaker 2: able to buy. You know, they they formulated this complex

1542
01:18:12,680 --> 01:18:16,320
Speaker 2: system of land ownership and this ideology about land and

1543
01:18:16,680 --> 01:18:21,200
Speaker 2: how humans interacted with it. And then you know, these

1544
01:18:21,200 --> 01:18:24,679
Speaker 2: people that were here in North America, you know, especially

1545
01:18:24,720 --> 01:18:28,080
Speaker 2: early on, it would have been this vast, unpeopled continent,

1546
01:18:28,800 --> 01:18:32,400
Speaker 2: and they developed doctrines and ways they thought about anyway,

1547
01:18:32,479 --> 01:18:35,120
Speaker 2: and then all of a sudden they collided. You know,

1548
01:18:35,520 --> 01:18:46,920
Speaker 2: it's interesting. That's very simplified, but it's it's interesting. Yeah, Josh,

1549
01:18:46,920 --> 01:18:47,840
Speaker 2: what will end with?

1550
01:18:48,160 --> 01:18:50,080
Speaker 5: I thought that was really interesting. But one of the

1551
01:18:50,080 --> 01:18:53,280
Speaker 5: things that I always appreciate is getting to hear straight

1552
01:18:53,360 --> 01:18:55,960
Speaker 5: from seminoles, you know what I mean, when we have

1553
01:18:56,000 --> 01:19:00,080
Speaker 5: a topic to speak to someone who's in indigenous and

1554
01:19:00,080 --> 01:19:03,400
Speaker 5: and uh, you know, I appreciated what what Jake Tiger

1555
01:19:03,439 --> 01:19:07,960
Speaker 5: had to share about about Osciola not being a chief.

1556
01:19:08,000 --> 01:19:10,960
Speaker 5: I think that's a common common thing that we think

1557
01:19:11,000 --> 01:19:12,200
Speaker 5: about that if they're a leader. There what.

1558
01:19:13,720 --> 01:19:14,200
Speaker 1: Analogy?

1559
01:19:14,840 --> 01:19:17,320
Speaker 5: I thought it was effective. I thought it was it

1560
01:19:17,400 --> 01:19:20,360
Speaker 5: was a good, good, u good analogy. But you know,

1561
01:19:20,560 --> 01:19:25,679
Speaker 5: just thinking about about who Osciola was to be able

1562
01:19:25,720 --> 01:19:31,000
Speaker 5: to draw in and to fill people with with vision

1563
01:19:31,200 --> 01:19:33,040
Speaker 5: of what what they're going to do. That's what made

1564
01:19:33,120 --> 01:19:35,400
Speaker 5: him a leader, not because he had a title or

1565
01:19:35,439 --> 01:19:37,680
Speaker 5: a birthright, but really because of who he was and

1566
01:19:37,720 --> 01:19:40,680
Speaker 5: his ability to fight and his ability to draw people in.

1567
01:19:40,760 --> 01:19:43,120
Speaker 5: I thought that was really interesting. What what what Jake

1568
01:19:43,160 --> 01:19:44,040
Speaker 5: Tiger had to share about?

1569
01:19:44,160 --> 01:19:45,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1570
01:19:46,240 --> 01:19:49,840
Speaker 2: So we're we're trying to get Sterling hard Joe to

1571
01:19:49,920 --> 01:19:53,120
Speaker 2: come on the next render. Cool that we do so

1572
01:19:53,240 --> 01:19:56,120
Speaker 2: Sterling he's a busy guy in a in a in

1573
01:19:56,240 --> 01:19:59,080
Speaker 2: a of he's got a lot going on in his life,

1574
01:19:59,400 --> 01:20:01,479
Speaker 2: but he's probably going to be here with us, which

1575
01:20:01,479 --> 01:20:03,439
Speaker 2: would be really cool. I would have had all those

1576
01:20:03,439 --> 01:20:06,160
Speaker 2: guys on every render if they could have come. You know,

1577
01:20:06,200 --> 01:20:11,000
Speaker 2: it's just hard to get get people here. But the

1578
01:20:11,040 --> 01:20:15,760
Speaker 2: next episode, I'm really excited about it because it's just

1579
01:20:17,400 --> 01:20:20,280
Speaker 2: if you think this is interesting, I think this next

1580
01:20:20,280 --> 01:20:24,280
Speaker 2: one is even going to be more interesting in a way.

1581
01:20:25,680 --> 01:20:29,960
Speaker 2: Oscio Oscillo is going to die. Oh and he died.

1582
01:20:30,000 --> 01:20:34,280
Speaker 2: He dies in an American prison in South Carolina, and

1583
01:20:34,600 --> 01:20:40,040
Speaker 2: uh where the whole podcast is about his death and

1584
01:20:40,680 --> 01:20:47,720
Speaker 2: about doctor Patricia Wickman, who spent a good portion of

1585
01:20:47,760 --> 01:20:52,000
Speaker 2: her career searching for Osilo's.

1586
01:20:51,439 --> 01:20:54,160
Speaker 6: Head bum bum bumb.

1587
01:20:54,840 --> 01:20:59,680
Speaker 1: I mean, like, it's pretty fascinating, pretty fascinating.

1588
01:21:00,320 --> 01:21:02,280
Speaker 6: Up, I'm listening, just can't wait.

1589
01:21:02,720 --> 01:21:04,720
Speaker 5: Absolutely, it's gonna be a good one.

1590
01:21:04,840 --> 01:21:07,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, been good so far.

1591
01:21:08,880 --> 01:21:12,080
Speaker 1: Well, thanks guys, anything else, Josh, we're supposed to talk, I.

1592
01:21:12,080 --> 01:21:13,800
Speaker 5: Don't think so. Just be on the lookout for that

1593
01:21:13,840 --> 01:21:15,000
Speaker 5: Bear Grease Hall of Fame.

1594
01:21:15,240 --> 01:21:17,360
Speaker 1: Ah, Bear Grease Hall of Fame. It's gonna be going

1595
01:21:17,439 --> 01:21:17,880
Speaker 1: so good.

1596
01:21:18,080 --> 01:21:23,400
Speaker 2: Yep, I'm going to I'm going to Kansas, like right now,

1597
01:21:23,560 --> 01:21:26,679
Speaker 2: like when y'all. I mean, I probably won't even say.

1598
01:21:26,600 --> 01:21:27,600
Speaker 1: Bye to y'alla.

1599
01:21:27,600 --> 01:21:28,400
Speaker 6: Climb out the window.

1600
01:21:28,800 --> 01:21:31,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm probably gonna climb out the window. So we're

1601
01:21:31,840 --> 01:21:37,240
Speaker 2: recording this on October thirtieth, Tomorrow is Halloween, and there's

1602
01:21:37,280 --> 01:21:40,679
Speaker 2: a big front coming tonight, and I'm going to Kansas

1603
01:21:40,680 --> 01:21:42,760
Speaker 2: bow hunting. I got a Kansas boy that reminds me

1604
01:21:42,880 --> 01:21:45,000
Speaker 2: I better bring my dad come Kansas tag.

1605
01:21:45,320 --> 01:21:48,240
Speaker 1: I was gonna I was gonna run off and leave that.

1606
01:21:49,680 --> 01:21:52,040
Speaker 6: Daniel Boone had two wives.

1607
01:21:57,240 --> 01:21:59,880
Speaker 2: Keep the wild places wild because that's where the bears live.

1608
01:22:00,000 --> 01:22:01,120
Speaker 1: Boone only had one wife.

1609
01:22:01,479 --> 01:22:05,439
Speaker 2: Doubtful he cortered her at the cherry at the cherry

1610
01:22:05,439 --> 01:22:06,760
Speaker 2: tree when they were fourteen.

1611
01:22:06,840 --> 01:22:10,280
Speaker 1: Man, come on, he would have never cheated on him.

1612
01:22:10,800 --> 01:22:11,439
Speaker 1: Cut that off.