Speaker 1: Welcome.
Speaker 2: It is Verdict with Center, Ted Cruz, Ben Ferguson with you.
Speaker 2: It's nice to have you with us wherever you are
Speaker 2: around the country. And this is one of those just
Speaker 2: somber shows. Senator, you and I actually have not gotten
Speaker 2: to talk since the tragic assassination of Charlie Kirk, a
Speaker 2: dear friend of both of ours. You've known him for
Speaker 2: over a decade, like I have. You've broken bread with Charlie.
Speaker 2: We have actually done Verdict live at Turning Point events
Speaker 2: down in Florida. You've spoken at other Turning Point events
Speaker 2: as I have as well. I saw him not too
Speaker 2: long ago and we just talked about our kids. And
Speaker 2: I think about his kids, and I think about his
Speaker 2: wife and this tragedy, and it makes me so sad
Speaker 2: that this is where we are in this country, that
Speaker 2: there are people that believe that this is the way
Speaker 2: to do things. And I want to get your reaction
Speaker 2: to that as well.
Speaker 3: Look this, I'm heartbroken. Charlie was a good friend. As
Speaker 3: you noted, I've known Charlie for over a decade. I
Speaker 3: met him when he was eighteen years old. He was
Speaker 3: a young kid. He was coming out of Chicago. He
Speaker 3: was just starting turning point. He had this vision. He
Speaker 3: had this vision for energizing young people, and he was
Speaker 3: as an eighteen year old, Charlie was impressive. You could
Speaker 3: see how smart he was, You could see how driven
Speaker 3: he was. You could see the clarity that a vision
Speaker 3: that he had. He knew exactly what he wanted to
Speaker 3: do to energize young people, and it was something that
Speaker 3: when he first started talking about it, a lot of
Speaker 3: people disbelieved him. I got to say this week, this
Speaker 3: week was a really hard week. It was number one.
Speaker 3: It was the anniversary of nine to eleven, and that
Speaker 3: is a national tragedy that you and I both both
Speaker 3: lived through and lost friends in nine to eleven. But
Speaker 3: then this out of nowhere watching first seeing the tweet
Speaker 3: of shots fired, and then Charlie Kirk shot, and then
Speaker 3: the fog of misinformation. I'll tell you, as soon as
Speaker 3: I saw just the tweet that he may have been shot,
Speaker 3: I pulled up my phone and texted him and I
Speaker 3: just just said, hey, man, are you are you okay?
Speaker 3: I'm praying for you right now. And I didn't know
Speaker 3: then if he was. It's hard to tell when the
Speaker 3: first tweet goes out, what the truth is and what
Speaker 3: was not. I was obviously hoping maybe there'd been a
Speaker 3: shot fired, but it had missed him. It wasn't clear
Speaker 3: he had been hit at the time, so I was
Speaker 3: really hoping i'd get a text back, yeah I'm fine,
Speaker 3: I'm here. Obviously I did not get a response to that.
Speaker 3: You know, I talked to Charlie just a few weeks ago,
Speaker 3: and it's I got to say, what happened. It is evil,
Speaker 3: it is wrong. Just about everyone I know is really
Speaker 3: shaken up by it. I will say. One of the
Speaker 3: worst parts when it happened pretty quickly, the video got
Speaker 3: out there on X of his being shot in the throat,
Speaker 3: and it was I'm sure you've seen the video, it's
Speaker 3: a graphic video and on X for me, it was
Speaker 3: on AutoPlay, so like I kept seeing the same thing
Speaker 3: over and over and over again, Like you couldn't look
Speaker 3: at X without seeing it auto play. I don't think
Speaker 3: in my life I've ever seen a friend of mine
Speaker 3: be killed. And the afternoon had happened, I watched him
Speaker 3: shot and killed over and over and over again, and
Speaker 3: it's just screwed up. I mean, he was extraordinary and
Speaker 3: he leaves a big legacy and on verdict. Today, we're
Speaker 3: going to talk about that legacy. We're going to talk
Speaker 3: about who Charlie Kirk was. We're going to talk about
Speaker 3: what he meant to me, to you, what he meant
Speaker 3: to millions across the country, and and and and what
Speaker 3: I gotta say, Ben, what the hell is wrong with
Speaker 3: this country that you have lunatics who say, I don't
Speaker 3: like what you're saying, I don't like your politics, and
Speaker 3: so I'm going to murder you. I mean this, this
Speaker 3: played out almost exactly like the attempted assassination of President
Speaker 3: Trump and Butler with with with a gunman with a
Speaker 3: rifle on a roof. And and had President Trump had
Speaker 3: had his head been two inches to the side, he
Speaker 3: would have been killed that day. And and Charlie, was
Speaker 3: it it it it, it's it's beyond horrific.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it is.
Speaker 2: It is a moment that I I wish I could
Speaker 2: never remember. But you you, and you said it the
Speaker 2: best way. It was there you saw it. You watched
Speaker 2: one of your friends get gunned down, whole blooded murder,
Speaker 2: assassinated in this way. And it is something that, as
Speaker 2: you said, what is wrong in this country where we
Speaker 2: can't have a grand debate of grand ideas, and that
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Speaker 2: to one of the things that I think people don't
Speaker 2: understand about Charlie Kirk, and maybe that if you didn't
Speaker 2: follow him well, his mission and goal was to bring
Speaker 2: people actually together. If you listen to media, they act
Speaker 2: like he was some extremist, fringed guy that was trying
Speaker 2: to break people apart, in pound people in these these debates.
Speaker 2: He wanted people that disagreed with him to have a
Speaker 2: conversation with him, a grand conversation. And he started this
Speaker 2: years ago by himself, with one guy recording and him
Speaker 2: sitting at it at a card table at university campuses,
Speaker 2: and it turned into something where three thousand people, for example,
Speaker 2: showed up in Utah. It changed college campuses with turning
Speaker 2: point groups that were out there, and that is his legacy.
Speaker 2: And part of I think what the big lie has
Speaker 2: been is that he somehow was this aggressive, in your
Speaker 2: face guy that is literally not his mission in life
Speaker 2: at all.
Speaker 3: Yeah, a lot of folks in the media, a lot
Speaker 3: of Democrats, are trying to portray him as somehow extreme. Look,
Speaker 3: probably the thing that most characterized Charlie was his willingness
Speaker 3: and eagerness to engage in conversation with those who disagreed
Speaker 3: with them, and to engage using compassion, listening to them,
Speaker 3: understanding them, treating them with dignity, treating them with respect.
Speaker 3: That's something we need a whole lot more of. It's
Speaker 3: something we try to do on verdict. But Charlie did
Speaker 3: it every single day.
Speaker 2: Senator, you were mentioning that the media tried to turn
Speaker 2: him into something he wasn't. And this is a individual,
Speaker 2: a man that wanted to have a debate, and he
Speaker 2: wanted to fight for the hearts and minds of young people.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Look, Charlie was. He was brilliant. Uh, he was bold
Speaker 3: and courageous. It takes guts. It takes guts to go
Speaker 3: on to college campuses with with screaming leftists who would
Speaker 3: berate him, who would yell at him. That that takes
Speaker 3: real courage. Most people are assaulting to times.
Speaker 2: By the way, people don't realize that he had things
Speaker 2: thrown on him, drinks, things thrown at him. He was
Speaker 2: assaulted countless times on college campuses, and he kept going back.
Speaker 3: He was convinced that the mission was important. I still
Speaker 3: remember sitting in my friend's living room with that earnest
Speaker 3: eighteen year old when he talked about a vision that
Speaker 3: that you know, and this is thirteen years ago, where
Speaker 3: a lot of young people at the time, it wasn't
Speaker 3: cool to be conservative. You know, Barack Obama was president,
Speaker 3: he was hip, he was cool, and Charlie had a
Speaker 3: vision that that that that he wanted to make it
Speaker 3: cool to love liberty. He wanted to make it cool
Speaker 3: to believe in the Constitution, to believe in the First Amendment.
Speaker 3: He wanted to make it cool to love your country
Speaker 3: and and and that was his vision was there from
Speaker 3: day one. A lot of people disbelieved him, but he
Speaker 3: also he he he approached it with with a with
Speaker 3: a winsome spirit. Charlie was always smiling. Yeah, he was
Speaker 3: thirty one years old when he was killed. He's he's
Speaker 3: a husband and a dad of two little kids and
Speaker 3: his wife, Erica. His his kids are one and four
Speaker 3: and and his children will never know their dad. That
Speaker 3: they will know the legacy of their dad. They will
Speaker 3: know how it is extraordinary he was. That they will
Speaker 3: know that he touched and changed literally millions of people's lives.
Speaker 3: But but this deranged gunman in one instant made it
Speaker 3: that those children will never get to to have a
Speaker 3: conversation and know their father growing up. He leaves behind
Speaker 3: his widowed wife, and it's I will say, it is crushing,
Speaker 3: I can tell you. So when we heard the news
Speaker 3: and we didn't know, we didn't know what his condition was,
Speaker 3: and early on Fox News was reporting that he's in
Speaker 3: the hospital. He's in critical condition, but he's in the hospital,
Speaker 3: so we were hoping he's all right. I called Heidi,
Speaker 3: so Heidi knows knew Charlie very well also, and I
Speaker 3: called her and she was just stunned. She was just
Speaker 3: sitting there staring in disbelief at the television. And actually
Speaker 3: the two of us called a dear friend of ours
Speaker 3: named Ali, who's whose living room we met Charlie. And
Speaker 3: Ali is the one who introduced us to Charlie thirteen
Speaker 3: years ago. And Ali is a strong believer, a strong Christian,
Speaker 3: and I'll tell you, the three of us just on
Speaker 3: the phone just began praying for our friend, and we
Speaker 3: were in tears, and we were praying for him, and
Speaker 3: we were praying that God would save him and and
Speaker 3: that that prayer did not come to pass. But we
Speaker 3: were all just just in shock and disbelieve but I
Speaker 3: want to say this also, when you look at all
Speaker 3: of Charlie's characteristics, one that was most extraordinary was he
Speaker 3: he was a deeply believing Christian. His faith was real,
Speaker 3: it mattered to him. And and he was a voice
Speaker 3: for the gospel and and and Charlie is is with
Speaker 3: Jesus in Heaven right now, and and and his his
Speaker 3: role of presenting the good news of the Gospel with
Speaker 3: intelligence and joy, that was a powerful legacy. And I
Speaker 3: got to say, there are very very few people in
Speaker 3: particular who were doing that and and spreading the gospel
Speaker 3: to young people. You have pastors and churches, but Charlie's
Speaker 3: mission was reaching a whole lot of people who might
Speaker 3: never go to a church. And and and that's a legacy.
Speaker 3: That's a legacy. Actually, I want to play a clip
Speaker 3: of Charlie talking about how he wants to be remembered.
Speaker 3: Give a listen to Charlie when he's asked that question, you.
Speaker 2: Want to be remembered?
Speaker 4: If I die, everything just goes away.
Speaker 2: How would you if you could be associated with one thing,
Speaker 2: how would you want to be remembered.
Speaker 4: To be I want to be remembered for courage, for
Speaker 4: my faith, that would be the most important thing.
Speaker 1: Most of you know.
Speaker 2: There wasn't a time center on college campuses that he
Speaker 2: wasn't talking about as faith. In fact, I'll go back
Speaker 2: to the first time I ever had breakfast. Charlie asked
Speaker 2: me to have breakfast with him. We were at a
Speaker 2: Sea Pack event. It was about probably thirteen years ago,
Speaker 2: as I was doing the math and we sat down
Speaker 2: and he was like, hey, I know you've done a
Speaker 2: lot of college speaking. I feel like we've lost this generation.
Speaker 2: I feel like that the left owns them and they're
Speaker 2: in doctoring them on our college campuses. I'm actually thinking
Speaker 2: about not going to college because of this mission, and
Speaker 2: I feel like what God put me on earth to do?
Speaker 2: And he said what do you think of that? And
Speaker 2: I looked at him and I smiled. I was like, Charlie,
Speaker 2: I don't know you, but you can always go back
Speaker 2: to college. You can go to college at fifty or
Speaker 2: sixty or seventy. What you're talking about doing is something
Speaker 2: that I think is more important right now than you
Speaker 2: going to college. And he was such a faith forward person,
Speaker 2: even at eighteen years old, and it goes back to
Speaker 2: what you were talking about. He lived it and you
Speaker 2: knew what he believed in.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he never did graduate from college, but he touched
Speaker 3: enormous number of college students and changed their lives. I
Speaker 3: want you to listen to Charlie on Bill Maher talking
Speaker 3: about his faith, because this is really powerful. Give a listen.
Speaker 1: Is risen? He has risen. Indeed, Bill, why do we
Speaker 1: say that in the present tense?
Speaker 4: Because it is a constant truth in our life.
Speaker 1: He is risen. I always noticed that that that was
Speaker 1: interesting to me, that.
Speaker 4: It was a really important question.
Speaker 1: Actually it is.
Speaker 4: Tell me, well, because the fact that he has risen
Speaker 4: transcends time. It's not just in the present sense, it's
Speaker 4: that of all time. That promise is accessible to all
Speaker 4: of us, and so it's a proclamation to all people.
Speaker 4: Because if you said that he was risen, it's like
Speaker 4: it's just merely a historical event. It almost underplays the
Speaker 4: metaphysics of it.
Speaker 5: I'm just always fascinated the way, really really fine intellectual
Speaker 5: minds employed themselves for the purpose of arguing things that
Speaker 5: are so inarguable.
Speaker 6: It's almost that's almost it's almost it does because it's
Speaker 6: it's almost like it it's almost like a challenge, like
Speaker 6: I'm so smart that I can make this thing which
Speaker 6: is so stupid it seems.
Speaker 1: Like, but you get where I'm coming from.
Speaker 6: I'm going to take something that is so anti intellectual,
Speaker 6: even though I can argue like an intel.
Speaker 4: Ever, but you have to acknowledge even the greatest minds
Speaker 4: of history have been mesmerized by the scriptures. Isaac Newton,
Speaker 4: Thomas aquinas well. Isaac Newton wrote more about biblical prophecy
Speaker 4: than even physics. And so there's something about the scriptures
Speaker 4: that are intellectual that does push your limits. And that's
Speaker 4: what I think is so beautiful about our faith, as
Speaker 4: it can be accessible to everyone but also infinitely nourishing
Speaker 4: and exploration.
Speaker 2: Charlie Kirk spraying the Gospel to Bill Maher, that's not
Speaker 2: something that many people can say, and he did it
Speaker 2: in such a kind and respectful manner, even as Bill
Speaker 2: Maher was almost mocking his belief in God.
Speaker 3: Yeah look, look, I mean it wasn't almost Bill was
Speaker 3: mocking it. And you and I both know Bill Maher
Speaker 3: he is a brilliant man in his own right. But
Speaker 3: mar is not a Christian. He's an atheist, and he
Speaker 3: proudly proclaims that he's an atheist and he has deep
Speaker 3: skepticism of faith across the board. And Charlie went on
Speaker 3: his show and talked with him, and you're right, talked
Speaker 3: with him with passion, but also talked in a way
Speaker 3: that was accessible. And actually the clip we just played,
Speaker 3: the way I found it right now is when I
Speaker 3: saw it online. I texted Charlie at the time and
Speaker 3: I texted that clip back at him and I just said,
Speaker 3: this was beautifully done, bravo, and it it and and
Speaker 3: that was just just another day with Charlie. That that's
Speaker 3: what he was doing. Every day. He was making people think.
Speaker 3: But he was was also look the proposition that he
Speaker 3: was defending the phrase he has risen, And Bill Maher
Speaker 3: was saying, well, why is is in the present tense?
Speaker 3: And and and Charlie's message is because Jesus is in
Speaker 3: the prison present tense, because it is a fact today
Speaker 3: in our life. It didn't happen just two thousand years ago.
Speaker 3: He has risen today. And that message Charlie could deliver it.
Speaker 3: There were people who were watching Bill Maher who again
Speaker 3: might ever go to church, might never hear the gospel,
Speaker 3: and yet that they would hear it from Charlie, and
Speaker 3: they'd hear it delivered in a way that that that
Speaker 3: that would make an impression. And and you know, the
Speaker 3: Bible talks about about planting seeds, and some seeds fall
Speaker 3: on rocky soil, and some seeds fall on on on
Speaker 3: shallow soil. But some seeds fall on good soil, and
Speaker 3: they take purpose that they take root and grow. And
Speaker 3: and that's a parable Jesus tells uh uh and and
Speaker 3: and what what Charlie was doing there and what he
Speaker 3: did every day is planted seeds and and and many
Speaker 3: of those seeds landed on on fertile ground and took root.
Speaker 3: And and the number of people whose lives Charlie touched
Speaker 3: we will never know, but it is easily in the millions.
Speaker 7: You know.
Speaker 2: One of the things that he did that was I
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Speaker 2: the media is just not talked about. Charlie Kirk was
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Speaker 2: a good husband, being a biblically leader in the household.
Speaker 3: And he was.
Speaker 2: He would say that to college kids, don't add garbage
Speaker 2: to your life, don't be out of here partying and
Speaker 2: acting a fool and doing stupid things like you can
Speaker 2: do things great things now at eighteen nineteen, twenty twenty one,
Speaker 2: you have to wait till you're forty to get it together.
Speaker 2: Don't add baggage to your life. And I love that
Speaker 2: that's part of his message.
Speaker 3: Look, I want to read to you a text I
Speaker 3: got from a good friend of mine named Dan, and
Speaker 3: he sent me a text, and he said, I first
Speaker 3: met Charlie at your dear Valley retreat in October twenty fifteen.
Speaker 3: I was so impressed and taken by his vision of
Speaker 3: bringing conservative values to college campuses that I was an
Speaker 3: early funder and introduced him to many others who had
Speaker 3: greater capacity than me. We stayed in touch. I mentored
Speaker 3: him until his knowledge exceeded my own, and I saw
Speaker 3: him reshape the political balance, particularly but not exclusively, with
Speaker 3: the under thirties. Looking back at his evangelism, his courage
Speaker 3: to go to the very heart of the evil that
Speaker 3: afflicts and brainwashes our youth and give those souls hope,
Speaker 3: I am wondering this morning if he may have been
Speaker 3: a saint, not in the sense he was perfect, as
Speaker 3: none of us are but because God moved through him,
Speaker 3: and he was the vehicle God chose Jeremiah. Fore Then
Speaker 3: the word of the Lord came to me, saying, before
Speaker 3: I formed you in the womb, I knew you before
Speaker 3: you were born. I sanctified you. I ordained you a
Speaker 3: profit to the nations. Then said I, Ah, Lord, God, behold,
Speaker 3: I cannot speak, for I am a youth. But the
Speaker 3: Lord said to me, do not say I am a youth.
Speaker 3: For you shall go to all to whom I send you,
Speaker 3: and whatever I command you, you shall speak. God bless
Speaker 3: our brother in Christ, Charlie, thank you for bringing me.
Speaker 1: Into his orbit.
Speaker 2: It's it's the sentiment that so many have had about him.
Speaker 2: I said last night on Fox News Channel about him.
Speaker 2: I said, his legacy is going to be one that
Speaker 2: is going to know no bounds. I am so thankful
Speaker 2: last time I saw him. We just talked to Mississ
Speaker 2: earlier about his kids and my kids. I've got three boys,
Speaker 2: you and I know we do that. And I laughed
Speaker 2: because I was thinking about funny moments I've had with Charlie. Charlie,
Speaker 2: I get people give me a hard time a lot
Speaker 2: because I don't really drink alcohol and I got hit
Speaker 2: by a drunk driver who died and we lived, and
Speaker 2: it just had a major impact. Well neither did Charlie.
Speaker 2: And so we always when he was like twenty one,
Speaker 2: twenty two, getting a little older, when we saw each
Speaker 2: other parties, I would look at it like, you want
Speaker 2: me to get your regular on ice? And he like yes,
Speaker 2: And that was our joke because we would drink our
Speaker 2: diet coke with a line together. And and I love
Speaker 2: that he was not ever given in to the pure pressure.
Speaker 2: He was gonna be authentic and who he was. I
Speaker 2: will say, I am so thankful that his children are
Speaker 2: going to have countless hours of video of him doing
Speaker 2: what he did. Yeah, because they're going to be able
Speaker 2: to go see what their dad, who their dad was.
Speaker 2: There's so many kids that lose parents. They don't have
Speaker 2: videos like we have videos of Charlie where he was
Speaker 2: out there spreading the gospel. He was standing up for
Speaker 2: what he believed in. He was making a difference. And
Speaker 2: I said this last night on Fox, I said, I
Speaker 2: truly don't believe Donald Trump would have been elected if
Speaker 2: it wasn't for Charlie Kirk and turning point and what
Speaker 2: they did to get out the vote in swing states.
Speaker 2: I think that's why he was so emotional to night
Speaker 2: that Donald Trump was reelected. I don't think we'd have
Speaker 2: control of the House in the Senate if it wasn't
Speaker 2: for Charlie Kirk and what he did get out the
Speaker 2: vote in swing states. It had a massive impact in
Speaker 2: this country. And that's the reason why the President announced
Speaker 2: his passing and lowered that flag to half mask, because
Speaker 2: I think Donald Trump.
Speaker 1: Knows it too.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a good question. When is the last time
Speaker 3: you can remember that somebody's death is announced by the
Speaker 3: sitting president of the United States. It was the President
Speaker 3: that let America know that Charlie had passed, and the
Speaker 3: President he put out on truth social quote, the great
Speaker 3: and even legendary Charlie Kirk is dead. No one understood
Speaker 3: or had the heart of the youth in the United
Speaker 3: States of America better than Charlie. He was loved and
Speaker 3: admired by all, especially me, and now he is no
Speaker 3: longer with us. Milania and my sympathies go out to
Speaker 3: his beautiful wife, Erica and family. Charlie, we love you. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and that you're right. There's a very good argument that
Speaker 3: Donald Trump doesn't win, maybe not in twenty sixteen, maybe
Speaker 3: not in twenty twenty four without Charlie Kirk's incredible hard work.
Speaker 3: And I got to say, look, you and I have
Speaker 3: been to a lot of Turning Point conferences. I've probably
Speaker 3: spoken at a dozen of them. Yeah, this podcast has
Speaker 3: been intertwined with Turning Point. We have done several verdicts
Speaker 3: from Turning Point, where virtually the entire podcast is US
Speaker 3: answering Q and A from the young people there. And
Speaker 3: I got to say, the atmosphere of a Turning Point conference,
Speaker 3: it's like a rock concert and you have strobe lights
Speaker 3: and fires, and you'll have thousands and thousands of young people,
Speaker 3: high school kids and college kids, and there's energy and
Speaker 3: you come out to these rock star promos and it
Speaker 3: was amazing.
Speaker 2: And that was Charlie's vision center. I also want to
Speaker 2: talk about there is a question. I'm sure you've gotten it.
Speaker 2: I've gotten it too, and that is what's next. This
Speaker 2: is a moment where my nine year old asked me
Speaker 2: that I think the toughest question I've ever been asked
Speaker 2: by him. When I put into bed last night, he
Speaker 2: knew that daddy's friend had died, and he said, Daddy,
Speaker 2: is someone gonna shoot you for what you do? And
Speaker 2: I gave him the best answer I could. I said, buddy,
Speaker 2: you know daddy carries a gun. You know Daddy shoots back.
Speaker 2: And he just started crying. And I think there are
Speaker 2: so many people right now that are worried about where
Speaker 2: we are in this divide and this feeling that the
Speaker 2: left is just wanting to take out anybody that is
Speaker 2: successful in articulating conservative or Christian views. I do worry
Speaker 2: about where we are as a country. I also think
Speaker 2: that you and I and so many others that do this,
Speaker 2: everybody that I've been texting and talking with, I don't
Speaker 2: think any of us are going to back down. We
Speaker 2: maybe do things a little differently, we may take different precautions,
Speaker 2: but I don't think they're gonna silence any of us.
Speaker 2: I'm not backing down. This is my mission field. I
Speaker 2: think you feel the same way I do.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, and listen. I think Charlie inspired many people to
Speaker 3: speak up and to be brave, to be courageous. I
Speaker 3: think more people will be inspired. I will say his assassination,
Speaker 3: it wasn't just a murder, it was an assassination. Yeah,
Speaker 3: he was taken out because of who he is and
Speaker 3: because of what he was saying, And he was taken
Speaker 3: out because of fear that what he was saying was
Speaker 3: so persuasive that people wanted to hear it. Look, when
Speaker 3: he went to a college campus, he welcome leftists to
Speaker 3: come argue with him, to present their side of the story.
Speaker 3: But the power of the truth he was saying was
Speaker 3: what is dangerous. And look, I gotta say, I feel
Speaker 3: a little bit you and I were not not alive
Speaker 3: when when JFK was shot or Bobby Kennedy was shot,
Speaker 3: or Martin Luther King was shot. But I do kind
Speaker 3: of wonder if that's a little bit what this that
Speaker 3: felt like? Just just I have to say, like seeing
Speaker 3: this happen, particularly the parallel to President Trump's being shot
Speaker 3: in Butler, that it was the same thing over and
Speaker 3: over again, and it was it was almost a successful
Speaker 3: assassination of the president, and tragically it was a successful
Speaker 3: assassination of Charlie. Like what is going on that there
Speaker 3: is this hate? And I got to say, by the way,
Speaker 3: we have seen leftists. We saw people on MSNBC cackling.
Speaker 3: I saw an image on Twitter of this one soulless
Speaker 3: young woman dancing and singing that Charlie Kirk had been
Speaker 3: shot in the neck. I wanted to it made me
Speaker 3: physically sick, the the the the joy at at his
Speaker 3: being murdered. But rather than focus on that hate and
Speaker 3: we we could play those clips, but you don't need
Speaker 3: to hear those angry haters. I want to focus, actually
Speaker 3: on on on some people on the left that took
Speaker 3: a right message, and one of them was was sank Ungiar,
Speaker 3: who's I don't know him, but he's he's liberal.
Speaker 2: Hardcore liberal. Yeah, he's the young he's guy.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And he put and and and he got it right,
Speaker 2: by the way.
Speaker 3: So here's what he posted on x. He said a
Speaker 3: while ago, I put out these rules for the Internet.
Speaker 3: One when we disagree, we fight. Two we have a
Speaker 3: beer afterwards. Three when we agree, we unite. I got
Speaker 3: a lot of flacks, surprisingly for the line about the beer.
Speaker 3: People would ask, oh, yeah, would you have a beer
Speaker 3: with Charlie Kirk? Well I did, and I'm glad I
Speaker 3: did because now I won't get to yes. Charlie and
Speaker 3: I disagreed a lot about really important things, but somehow
Speaker 3: we didn't lose our humanity, we were still fellow Americans.
Speaker 3: We can all choose to hate each other, now that's
Speaker 3: a normal human reaction. We can choose to blame each
Speaker 3: other and I'm sure we will endlessly. Or we can
Speaker 3: defy the voices of division in the country and have
Speaker 3: a beer together this time in grief. If you really
Speaker 3: want to strike back at whoever did this, listen to
Speaker 3: each other. Instead of hating one another. They want us
Speaker 3: to hate each other. Treating one another as brothers and sisters,
Speaker 3: as a united America would be an historic act of defiance.
Speaker 3: Since I'm on the left, I'll go first for everyone
Speaker 3: on the right, and most especially the Kirk family. I
Speaker 3: am so sorry for your loss. I share your grief,
Speaker 3: and I want you to know that our hearts are
Speaker 3: with you. I appreciate Sank saying that I retweeted it
Speaker 3: and just said bravo like that. I don't want to
Speaker 3: focus on the haters, on the anger, on the rage,
Speaker 3: on the evil bile that we see, because that was
Speaker 3: not Charlie's message. Charlie's message was one of love. It
Speaker 3: was one of liberty. It was one of the Constitution,
Speaker 3: it was one of the Gospel, it was one of
Speaker 3: hope it was one of faith. That's that's where we
Speaker 3: should focus. And I hope that that is a powerful,
Speaker 3: powerful legacy coming out of the thirty one short years
Speaker 3: that that Charlie had on this earth.
Speaker 2: You know, one of the one of the conversations that
Speaker 2: I had was something that was older. They called me
Speaker 2: and they were like, hey, I'm just checking out you
Speaker 2: know your friends, And he said, you know, Ben, I'm older.
Speaker 2: He said, every generation has a leader that leads them.
Speaker 2: He said, you were lucky enough that you started with
Speaker 2: Ronald Reagan and then you got Rush Limbaugh. This next
Speaker 2: generation needed a leader like no one else, and they
Speaker 2: got Charlie Kirk. Yeah, and and that is a I
Speaker 2: think to look at it that way and to talk
Speaker 2: in the sense of like who is really influenced? I
Speaker 2: look with that, Russimba, I don't think you would probably
Speaker 2: doing what you're doing right now. I certainly wouldn't be
Speaker 2: doing what I'm doing right now without the inspiration of
Speaker 2: Ronald Reagan. I wouldn't have even known what politics was
Speaker 2: and and to and to fall in love with it
Speaker 2: the way that you have fallen in love with that
Speaker 2: I have. It's our mission field, I say, that, and
Speaker 2: I mean it. I feel like God put me on
Speaker 2: earth to do what I'm doing right now. I have
Speaker 2: no doubt God put you on our center to do
Speaker 2: what you're doing right now, and God put Charlie Kirk
Speaker 2: on this earth to do what he's doing. But I
Speaker 2: do think he is a once in a generational leader.
Speaker 2: That that is that his legacy may change this country,
Speaker 2: uh in ways that none of us could imagine. And
Speaker 2: how many warriors for Christ, how many warriors for conservative
Speaker 2: values and principles. And I think how many young people
Speaker 2: on college campuses that witnessed a real life assassination in
Speaker 2: an HD may be inspired to say, I'm Charlie Kirk.
Speaker 1: Amen.
Speaker 3: Amen, Amen. I want to close the show today by
Speaker 3: listening to Bobby Kennedy. Right, Martin Luther King Jr. Was
Speaker 3: shot and the message of unity that he had is
Speaker 3: one that I hope and pray we all hear in
Speaker 3: the wake of the tragic assassination of your friend and mine,
Speaker 3: the Great Charlie Kirk. Give a listen, Bobby Kennedy.
Speaker 7: Martin Luther King dedicated his life to love and to
Speaker 7: justice between fellow human beings. He died and the cause.
Speaker 1: Of that effort.
Speaker 7: In this difficult day, in this difficult time for the
Speaker 7: United States, it's perhaps well to ask what kind of
Speaker 7: a nation we are in what direction we want to
Speaker 7: move in. For those of you who are black, considering
Speaker 7: the evidence evidently is that there were white people who
Speaker 7: were responsible, you can be filled with bitterness and with
Speaker 7: hatred and a desire for revenge. We can move in
Speaker 7: that direction as a country and greater polarization black people
Speaker 7: amongst blacks and white amongst whites, filled with hatred toward
Speaker 7: one another. I would only say that I can also
Speaker 7: feel in my own heart the same kind of feeling.
Speaker 7: I had a member of my family killed, but he
Speaker 7: was killed by a white man. But we have to
Speaker 7: make an effort in the United States. We have to
Speaker 7: make an effort to understand, to get beyond or go
Speaker 7: beyond these rather difficult times.
Speaker 2: Make sure you pray for Charlie Kirk's family, for his kids,
Speaker 2: his wife, his in laws, as parents, all the loved
Speaker 2: ones around him, his staff. Our thoughts and prayers go
Speaker 2: out to them. We'll see you back here when verdict
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