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Speaker 1: Welcome.

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Speaker 2: It is Verdict with Center, Ted Cruz, Ben Ferguson with you.

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Speaker 2: It's nice to have you with us wherever you are

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Speaker 2: around the country. And this is one of those just

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Speaker 2: somber shows. Senator, you and I actually have not gotten

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Speaker 2: to talk since the tragic assassination of Charlie Kirk, a

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Speaker 2: dear friend of both of ours. You've known him for

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Speaker 2: over a decade, like I have. You've broken bread with Charlie.

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Speaker 2: We have actually done Verdict live at Turning Point events

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Speaker 2: down in Florida. You've spoken at other Turning Point events

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Speaker 2: as I have as well. I saw him not too

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Speaker 2: long ago and we just talked about our kids. And

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Speaker 2: I think about his kids, and I think about his

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Speaker 2: wife and this tragedy, and it makes me so sad

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Speaker 2: that this is where we are in this country, that

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Speaker 2: there are people that believe that this is the way

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Speaker 2: to do things. And I want to get your reaction

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Speaker 2: to that as well.

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Speaker 3: Look this, I'm heartbroken. Charlie was a good friend. As

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Speaker 3: you noted, I've known Charlie for over a decade. I

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Speaker 3: met him when he was eighteen years old. He was

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Speaker 3: a young kid. He was coming out of Chicago. He

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Speaker 3: was just starting turning point. He had this vision. He

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Speaker 3: had this vision for energizing young people, and he was

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Speaker 3: as an eighteen year old, Charlie was impressive. You could

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Speaker 3: see how smart he was, You could see how driven

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Speaker 3: he was. You could see the clarity that a vision

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Speaker 3: do to energize young people, and it was something that

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Speaker 3: when he first started talking about it, a lot of

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Speaker 3: people disbelieved him. I got to say this week, this

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Speaker 3: week was a really hard week. It was number one.

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Speaker 3: It was the anniversary of nine to eleven, and that

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Speaker 3: is a national tragedy that you and I both both

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Speaker 3: lived through and lost friends in nine to eleven. But

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Speaker 3: then this out of nowhere watching first seeing the tweet

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Speaker 3: of shots fired, and then Charlie Kirk shot, and then

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Speaker 3: the fog of misinformation. I'll tell you, as soon as

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Speaker 3: I saw just the tweet that he may have been shot,

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Speaker 3: I pulled up my phone and texted him and I

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Speaker 3: just just said, hey, man, are you are you okay?

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Speaker 3: I'm praying for you right now. And I didn't know

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Speaker 3: then if he was. It's hard to tell when the

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Speaker 3: first tweet goes out, what the truth is and what

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Speaker 3: was not. I was obviously hoping maybe there'd been a

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Speaker 3: shot fired, but it had missed him. It wasn't clear

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Speaker 3: really hoping i'd get a text back, yeah I'm fine,

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Speaker 3: I'm here. Obviously I did not get a response to that.

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Speaker 3: You know, I talked to Charlie just a few weeks ago,

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Speaker 3: and it's I got to say, what happened. It is evil,

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Speaker 3: it is wrong. Just about everyone I know is really

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Speaker 3: shaken up by it. I will say. One of the

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Speaker 3: worst parts when it happened pretty quickly, the video got

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Speaker 3: out there on X of his being shot in the throat,

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Speaker 3: and it was I'm sure you've seen the video, it's

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Speaker 3: a graphic video and on X for me, it was

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Speaker 3: on AutoPlay, so like I kept seeing the same thing

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Speaker 3: over and over and over again, Like you couldn't look

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Speaker 3: in my life I've ever seen a friend of mine

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Speaker 3: be killed. And the afternoon had happened, I watched him

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Speaker 3: shot and killed over and over and over again, and

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Speaker 3: it's just screwed up. I mean, he was extraordinary and

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Speaker 3: he leaves a big legacy and on verdict. Today, we're

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Speaker 3: going to talk about that legacy. We're going to talk

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Speaker 3: about who Charlie Kirk was. We're going to talk about

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Speaker 3: what he meant to me, to you, what he meant

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Speaker 3: to millions across the country, and and and and what

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Speaker 3: I gotta say, Ben, what the hell is wrong with

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Speaker 3: this country that you have lunatics who say, I don't

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Speaker 3: like what you're saying, I don't like your politics, and

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Speaker 3: so I'm going to murder you. I mean this, this

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Speaker 3: played out almost exactly like the attempted assassination of President

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Speaker 3: had his head been two inches to the side, he

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Speaker 3: it it it it, it's it's beyond horrific.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it is.

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Speaker 2: It is a moment that I I wish I could

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Speaker 2: never remember. But you you, and you said it the

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Speaker 2: best way. It was there you saw it. You watched

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Speaker 2: assassinated in this way. And it is something that, as

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Speaker 2: you said, what is wrong in this country where we

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Speaker 2: can't have a grand debate of grand ideas, and that

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Speaker 2: is what Charlie's legacy was all about. A lot of

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Speaker 2: people don't understand that we're going to go into that

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Speaker 2: to one of the things that I think people don't

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Speaker 2: understand about Charlie Kirk, and maybe that if you didn't

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Speaker 2: follow him well, his mission and goal was to bring

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Speaker 2: like he was some extremist, fringed guy that was trying

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Speaker 2: He wanted people that disagreed with him to have a

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Speaker 2: and it turned into something where three thousand people, for example,

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Speaker 2: And part of I think what the big lie has

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Speaker 3: Yeah, a lot of folks in the media, a lot

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Speaker 3: probably the thing that most characterized Charlie was his willingness

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Speaker 3: That's something we need a whole lot more of. It's

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Speaker 3: something we try to do on verdict. But Charlie did

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Speaker 2: Senator, you were mentioning that the media tried to turn

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Speaker 2: him into something he wasn't. And this is a individual,

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Speaker 2: a man that wanted to have a debate, and he

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Speaker 2: wanted to fight for the hearts and minds of young people.

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Speaker 3: Look, Charlie was. He was brilliant. Uh, he was bold

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Speaker 2: By the way, people don't realize that he had things

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Speaker 3: He was convinced that the mission was important. I still

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Speaker 3: he was hip, he was cool, and Charlie had a

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Speaker 3: But but this deranged gunman in one instant made it

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Speaker 3: that that prayer did not come to pass. But we

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Speaker 3: it mattered to him. And and he was a voice

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Speaker 1: Is risen? He has risen. Indeed, Bill, why do we

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Speaker 5: I'm just always fascinated the way, really really fine intellectual

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Speaker 2: Charlie Kirk spraying the Gospel to Bill Maher, that's not

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Speaker 2: And that was our joke because we would drink our

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Speaker 2: diet coke with a line together. And and I love

437
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Speaker 2: that he was not ever given in to the pure pressure.

438
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Speaker 2: He was gonna be authentic and who he was. I

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Speaker 2: will say, I am so thankful that his children are

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Speaker 2: going to have countless hours of video of him doing

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Speaker 2: what he did. Yeah, because they're going to be able

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Speaker 2: to go see what their dad, who their dad was.

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Speaker 2: There's so many kids that lose parents. They don't have

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Speaker 2: videos like we have videos of Charlie where he was

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Speaker 2: out there spreading the gospel. He was standing up for

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Speaker 2: what he believed in. He was making a difference. And

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Speaker 2: I said this last night on Fox, I said, I

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Speaker 2: truly don't believe Donald Trump would have been elected if

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Speaker 2: it wasn't for Charlie Kirk and turning point and what

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Speaker 2: they did to get out the vote in swing states.

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Speaker 2: I think that's why he was so emotional to night

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Speaker 2: that Donald Trump was reelected. I don't think we'd have

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Speaker 2: control of the House in the Senate if it wasn't

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Speaker 2: for Charlie Kirk and what he did get out the

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Speaker 2: vote in swing states. It had a massive impact in

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Speaker 2: this country. And that's the reason why the President announced

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Speaker 2: his passing and lowered that flag to half mask, because

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Speaker 2: I think Donald Trump.

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Speaker 1: Knows it too.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a good question. When is the last time

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Speaker 3: you can remember that somebody's death is announced by the

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Speaker 3: sitting president of the United States. It was the President

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Speaker 3: that let America know that Charlie had passed, and the

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Speaker 3: President he put out on truth social quote, the great

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Speaker 3: and even legendary Charlie Kirk is dead. No one understood

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Speaker 3: or had the heart of the youth in the United

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Speaker 3: States of America better than Charlie. He was loved and

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Speaker 3: admired by all, especially me, and now he is no

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Speaker 3: longer with us. Milania and my sympathies go out to

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Speaker 3: his beautiful wife, Erica and family. Charlie, we love you. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: and that you're right. There's a very good argument that

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Speaker 3: Donald Trump doesn't win, maybe not in twenty sixteen, maybe

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Speaker 3: not in twenty twenty four without Charlie Kirk's incredible hard work.

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Speaker 3: And I got to say, look, you and I have

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Speaker 3: been to a lot of Turning Point conferences. I've probably

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Speaker 3: spoken at a dozen of them. Yeah, this podcast has

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Speaker 3: been intertwined with Turning Point. We have done several verdicts

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Speaker 3: from Turning Point, where virtually the entire podcast is US

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Speaker 3: answering Q and A from the young people there. And

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Speaker 3: I got to say, the atmosphere of a Turning Point conference,

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Speaker 3: it's like a rock concert and you have strobe lights

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Speaker 3: and fires, and you'll have thousands and thousands of young people,

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Speaker 3: high school kids and college kids, and there's energy and

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Speaker 3: you come out to these rock star promos and it

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Speaker 3: was amazing.

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Speaker 2: And that was Charlie's vision center. I also want to

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Speaker 2: talk about there is a question. I'm sure you've gotten it.

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Speaker 2: I've gotten it too, and that is what's next. This

489
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Speaker 2: is a moment where my nine year old asked me

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Speaker 2: that I think the toughest question I've ever been asked

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Speaker 2: by him. When I put into bed last night, he

492
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Speaker 2: knew that daddy's friend had died, and he said, Daddy,

493
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Speaker 2: is someone gonna shoot you for what you do? And

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Speaker 2: I gave him the best answer I could. I said, buddy,

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Speaker 2: you know daddy carries a gun. You know Daddy shoots back.

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Speaker 2: And he just started crying. And I think there are

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Speaker 2: so many people right now that are worried about where

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Speaker 2: we are in this divide and this feeling that the

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Speaker 2: left is just wanting to take out anybody that is

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Speaker 2: successful in articulating conservative or Christian views. I do worry

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Speaker 2: about where we are as a country. I also think

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Speaker 2: that you and I and so many others that do this,

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Speaker 2: everybody that I've been texting and talking with, I don't

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Speaker 2: think any of us are going to back down. We

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Speaker 2: maybe do things a little differently, we may take different precautions,

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Speaker 2: but I don't think they're gonna silence any of us.

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Speaker 2: I'm not backing down. This is my mission field. I

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Speaker 2: think you feel the same way I do.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, and listen. I think Charlie inspired many people to

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Speaker 3: speak up and to be brave, to be courageous. I

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Speaker 3: think more people will be inspired. I will say his assassination,

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Speaker 3: it wasn't just a murder, it was an assassination. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: he was taken out because of who he is and

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Speaker 3: because of what he was saying, And he was taken

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Speaker 3: out because of fear that what he was saying was

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Speaker 3: so persuasive that people wanted to hear it. Look, when

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Speaker 3: he went to a college campus, he welcome leftists to

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Speaker 3: come argue with him, to present their side of the story.

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Speaker 3: But the power of the truth he was saying was

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Speaker 3: what is dangerous. And look, I gotta say, I feel

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Speaker 3: a little bit you and I were not not alive

522
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Speaker 3: when when JFK was shot or Bobby Kennedy was shot,

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Speaker 3: or Martin Luther King was shot. But I do kind

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Speaker 3: of wonder if that's a little bit what this that

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Speaker 3: felt like? Just just I have to say, like seeing

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Speaker 3: this happen, particularly the parallel to President Trump's being shot

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Speaker 3: in Butler, that it was the same thing over and

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Speaker 3: over again, and it was it was almost a successful

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Speaker 3: assassination of the president, and tragically it was a successful

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Speaker 3: assassination of Charlie. Like what is going on that there

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Speaker 3: is this hate? And I got to say, by the way,

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Speaker 3: we have seen leftists. We saw people on MSNBC cackling.

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Speaker 3: I saw an image on Twitter of this one soulless

534
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Speaker 3: young woman dancing and singing that Charlie Kirk had been

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Speaker 3: shot in the neck. I wanted to it made me

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Speaker 3: physically sick, the the the the joy at at his

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Speaker 3: being murdered. But rather than focus on that hate and

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Speaker 3: we we could play those clips, but you don't need

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Speaker 3: to hear those angry haters. I want to focus, actually

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Speaker 3: on on on some people on the left that took

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Speaker 3: a right message, and one of them was was sank Ungiar,

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Speaker 3: who's I don't know him, but he's he's liberal.

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Speaker 2: Hardcore liberal. Yeah, he's the young he's guy.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: And he put and and and he got it right,

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Speaker 2: by the way.

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Speaker 3: So here's what he posted on x. He said a

548
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Speaker 3: while ago, I put out these rules for the Internet.

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Speaker 3: One when we disagree, we fight. Two we have a

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Speaker 3: beer afterwards. Three when we agree, we unite. I got

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Speaker 3: a lot of flacks, surprisingly for the line about the beer.

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Speaker 3: People would ask, oh, yeah, would you have a beer

553
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Speaker 3: with Charlie Kirk? Well I did, and I'm glad I

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Speaker 3: did because now I won't get to yes. Charlie and

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Speaker 3: I disagreed a lot about really important things, but somehow

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Speaker 3: we didn't lose our humanity, we were still fellow Americans.

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Speaker 3: We can all choose to hate each other, now that's

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Speaker 3: a normal human reaction. We can choose to blame each

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Speaker 3: other and I'm sure we will endlessly. Or we can

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Speaker 3: defy the voices of division in the country and have

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Speaker 3: a beer together this time in grief. If you really

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Speaker 3: want to strike back at whoever did this, listen to

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Speaker 3: each other. Instead of hating one another. They want us

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Speaker 3: to hate each other. Treating one another as brothers and sisters,

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Speaker 3: as a united America would be an historic act of defiance.

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Speaker 3: Since I'm on the left, I'll go first for everyone

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Speaker 3: on the right, and most especially the Kirk family. I

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Speaker 3: am so sorry for your loss. I share your grief,

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Speaker 3: and I want you to know that our hearts are

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Speaker 3: with you. I appreciate Sank saying that I retweeted it

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Speaker 3: and just said bravo like that. I don't want to

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Speaker 3: focus on the haters, on the anger, on the rage,

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Speaker 3: on the evil bile that we see, because that was

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Speaker 3: not Charlie's message. Charlie's message was one of love. It

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Speaker 3: was one of liberty. It was one of the Constitution,

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Speaker 3: it was one of the Gospel, it was one of

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Speaker 3: hope it was one of faith. That's that's where we

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Speaker 3: should focus. And I hope that that is a powerful,

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Speaker 3: powerful legacy coming out of the thirty one short years

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Speaker 3: that that Charlie had on this earth.

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Speaker 2: You know, one of the one of the conversations that

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Speaker 2: I had was something that was older. They called me

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Speaker 2: and they were like, hey, I'm just checking out you

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Speaker 2: know your friends, And he said, you know, Ben, I'm older.

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Speaker 2: He said, every generation has a leader that leads them.

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Speaker 2: He said, you were lucky enough that you started with

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Speaker 2: Ronald Reagan and then you got Rush Limbaugh. This next

588
00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:49,400
Speaker 2: generation needed a leader like no one else, and they

589
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Speaker 2: got Charlie Kirk. Yeah, and and that is a I

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Speaker 2: think to look at it that way and to talk

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Speaker 2: in the sense of like who is really influenced? I

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Speaker 2: look with that, Russimba, I don't think you would probably

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Speaker 2: doing what you're doing right now. I certainly wouldn't be

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Speaker 2: doing what I'm doing right now without the inspiration of

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Speaker 2: Ronald Reagan. I wouldn't have even known what politics was

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Speaker 2: and and to and to fall in love with it

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Speaker 2: the way that you have fallen in love with that

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Speaker 2: I have. It's our mission field, I say, that, and

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Speaker 2: I mean it. I feel like God put me on

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Speaker 2: earth to do what I'm doing right now. I have

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Speaker 2: no doubt God put you on our center to do

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Speaker 2: what you're doing right now, and God put Charlie Kirk

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Speaker 2: on this earth to do what he's doing. But I

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Speaker 2: do think he is a once in a generational leader.

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Speaker 2: That that is that his legacy may change this country,

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Speaker 2: uh in ways that none of us could imagine. And

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Speaker 2: how many warriors for Christ, how many warriors for conservative

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Speaker 2: values and principles. And I think how many young people

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Speaker 2: on college campuses that witnessed a real life assassination in

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Speaker 2: an HD may be inspired to say, I'm Charlie Kirk.

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Speaker 1: Amen.

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Speaker 3: Amen, Amen. I want to close the show today by

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Speaker 3: listening to Bobby Kennedy. Right, Martin Luther King Jr. Was

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Speaker 3: shot and the message of unity that he had is

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Speaker 3: one that I hope and pray we all hear in

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Speaker 3: the wake of the tragic assassination of your friend and mine,

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Speaker 3: the Great Charlie Kirk. Give a listen, Bobby Kennedy.

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Speaker 7: Martin Luther King dedicated his life to love and to

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Speaker 7: justice between fellow human beings. He died and the cause.

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Speaker 1: Of that effort.

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Speaker 7: In this difficult day, in this difficult time for the

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Speaker 7: United States, it's perhaps well to ask what kind of

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Speaker 7: a nation we are in what direction we want to

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Speaker 7: move in. For those of you who are black, considering

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Speaker 7: the evidence evidently is that there were white people who

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Speaker 7: were responsible, you can be filled with bitterness and with

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Speaker 7: hatred and a desire for revenge. We can move in

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Speaker 7: that direction as a country and greater polarization black people

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Speaker 7: amongst blacks and white amongst whites, filled with hatred toward

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Speaker 7: one another. I would only say that I can also

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Speaker 7: feel in my own heart the same kind of feeling.

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Speaker 7: I had a member of my family killed, but he

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Speaker 7: was killed by a white man. But we have to

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Speaker 7: make an effort in the United States. We have to

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Speaker 7: make an effort to understand, to get beyond or go

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Speaker 7: beyond these rather difficult times.

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Speaker 2: Make sure you pray for Charlie Kirk's family, for his kids,

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Speaker 2: his wife, his in laws, as parents, all the loved

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Speaker 2: ones around him, his staff. Our thoughts and prayers go

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Speaker 2: out to them. We'll see you back here when verdict

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Speaker 2: was us ender Ted Cruz all week long on the podcast.

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Speaker 2: Make sure you follow us and download it. There and

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Speaker 2: we'll see you back here again real soon, God bless