WEBVTT - Civic Cipher 050722 Do More Police Make You Safer? (Part 1)

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to another episode of Ciding Psycher. I am your

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<v Speaker 1>host Ramses Josh today. My name is Quentin Ward. Yes, indeed, man,

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<v Speaker 1>that was short and sweet. Yeah, I gotta get right

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<v Speaker 1>to it. I am mad at you. All right, we'll

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<v Speaker 1>stick around. I got a lot to talk about today,

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<v Speaker 1>per usual, so a lot to stay tuned for. Today.

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<v Speaker 1>We are going to be talking about whether or not

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<v Speaker 1>more police officers actually makes people safer. And I know

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<v Speaker 1>how this sounds. It sounds like, oh, Ramses is back

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<v Speaker 1>on his you know bs again and he's gonna, you

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<v Speaker 1>know whatever. No, I'm going to ask some questions. And

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<v Speaker 1>you know, the term safer is it's a matter. It's

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<v Speaker 1>a feeling, you know what I mean, kind of kind

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<v Speaker 1>of you know, do you feel safer? But then does

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<v Speaker 1>it prevent crime? Does it actually translate into safer environments? Right?

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<v Speaker 1>So we're gonna re examine what safety means and whether

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<v Speaker 1>or not the feeling is justified, right because a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of people say, Okay, more police makes me feel safer,

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<v Speaker 1>and then they assume that it actually does equal more safety.

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<v Speaker 1>So we're going to examine that. We have a few

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<v Speaker 1>examples to cite a little bit later on in the show,

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<v Speaker 1>we're going to talk about how America views black children.

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<v Speaker 1>There were a couple of videos that came our way,

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<v Speaker 1>and now is the time. We hadn't been able to

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<v Speaker 1>get to them beforehand, but we saw some police interact

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<v Speaker 1>with children, you know, some my children's age, and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>we asked the questions that we ask on this show

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<v Speaker 1>and try to you know, put you in the shoes

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<v Speaker 1>of the mothers and the fathers of those children and see,

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<v Speaker 1>you know what we end up with at the end

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<v Speaker 1>of the day. That and so much more to stick

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<v Speaker 1>around for. So stay tuned. But first, like we always

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<v Speaker 1>do at this time, let's discuss some ebony excellence, shall we?

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<v Speaker 1>We shall? You want to take this one, you want

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<v Speaker 1>to get it? Go for it, all right? This one

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<v Speaker 1>comes from Black Enterprise dot com some ebony excellence. This week,

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<v Speaker 1>doctor Jessica Watkins makes history as the first black woman

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<v Speaker 1>to have an extended stay in outer space. That's a mouthful.

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<v Speaker 1>Is she airbnbing out of spect man? Listen, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>She might be paying rent, she might got a mortgage,

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<v Speaker 1>who knows, man, But she's out there on an extended stay.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's not the hotel. Neither so listen again from

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<v Speaker 1>Black Enterprise. According to NASA, doctor astronaut doctor Jessica Watkins,

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<v Speaker 1>age thirty three, serves as a mission specialist on the

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<v Speaker 1>agency's SpaceX crew for mission, making history as the first

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<v Speaker 1>black woman a journey in the space for an extended mission.

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<v Speaker 1>This is the fourth crew rotation flight of the crew

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<v Speaker 1>Dragon spacecraft to the International Space Station. Watkins has been

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<v Speaker 1>training for the mission for five years, while she will

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<v Speaker 1>live and work for an extended stay per NPR. She

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<v Speaker 1>was taken to the ISS on Wednesday by way of

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<v Speaker 1>a SpaceX capsule sent out as part of NASA's multi

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<v Speaker 1>billion dollar Artemis program, aimed at returning humans to the

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<v Speaker 1>Moon in twenty twenty five. As previously reported, quote, we've

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<v Speaker 1>reached this milestone, this point in time, and the reason

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<v Speaker 1>we're able to arrive at this time is because of

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<v Speaker 1>the legacy of those who have come before to allow

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<v Speaker 1>this moment, said Watkins in an interview with NBC News,

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<v Speaker 1>also recognizing this is a step in the direction of

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<v Speaker 1>a very exciting future, so to be a part of

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<v Speaker 1>this is certainly an honor. She explained that the mission

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<v Speaker 1>intel's multiple scientific procedures, including physical science, material and combustion,

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<v Speaker 1>Earth and space science, cell tissue and plant growth technology demonstrations,

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<v Speaker 1>as well as human research as in the effects of

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<v Speaker 1>long duration spaceflight. And so it is our honor and

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<v Speaker 1>our duty to shout her out as an example of

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<v Speaker 1>the Ebony excellence doctor Jessica Watkins.

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<v Speaker 2>Doctor Watkins, you are incredible.

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<v Speaker 1>Indeed, Now, first order of business, this comes from the

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<v Speaker 1>New York Post. And this is sort of what got

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<v Speaker 1>us thinking. Us and our show producer, Maggie. Maggie Be knowing.

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<v Speaker 1>Maggie Be knowing and do she do got us to

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<v Speaker 1>thinking about what a safety mean? And do police make

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<v Speaker 1>us safer? Safer? This is a question that we ask.

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<v Speaker 1>I know that, of course your impulse is to say yes,

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<v Speaker 1>of course police make us safer safer, And I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>going to disagree with you. You know, there's there's a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of instances where I would go along with that, sure,

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<v Speaker 1>But for us to paint with broad strokes, I think

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<v Speaker 1>that there are some other things that we might consider

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<v Speaker 1>that might actually make us safer. Investing in community, investing

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<v Speaker 1>in people, rather than investing in enforcing laws, right, we

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<v Speaker 1>can invest in educating people about the laws. I believe

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<v Speaker 1>in human nature right, and for us to have armies

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<v Speaker 1>of police officers feels less than necessary if there are

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<v Speaker 1>better options. Right. And then there's some people who believe

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<v Speaker 1>that human beings are inherently bad, regardless of their circumstances,

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<v Speaker 1>regardless of their environments, and regardless of their options and opportunities,

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<v Speaker 1>and feel that police are the only way to exact

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<v Speaker 1>control over a population. Right, two different philosophies. I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>going to say which one is right or which one

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<v Speaker 1>is wrong. I think you can do deduce on your

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<v Speaker 1>own which one I prefer. But for the purposes of

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<v Speaker 1>this conversation, we'll just establish that there are differing schools

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<v Speaker 1>of thought with respect to this agree The New York

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<v Speaker 1>Post article certainly makes a point that we will make

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<v Speaker 1>further in this segment of the show. Year old man

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<v Speaker 1>was fatally shot in the head in broad daylight in

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<v Speaker 1>the Upper West Side Sunday. This is in New York,

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<v Speaker 1>of course. Cops said the gunfire rang out during an

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<v Speaker 1>argument around twelve to fifteen pm at one hundred and

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<v Speaker 1>first Street and Amsterdam Avenue, one block from the NYPD's

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<v Speaker 1>twenty fourth precinct. According to cops, the unidentified man was

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<v Speaker 1>pronounced dead at the scene and the shooter fled. The

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<v Speaker 1>violence comes as the NYPD is set to begin putting

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<v Speaker 1>more cops on duty at night Monday to help stem

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<v Speaker 1>shootings ahead of the summer months. Now, there are people

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<v Speaker 1>that say, you know, as long as there's the police,

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<v Speaker 1>if they're more police around, then you know that has

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<v Speaker 1>a direct impact on crime. You know, people will not

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<v Speaker 1>commit crimes where police are near. Right now, I'm a

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<v Speaker 1>person who I work in nightlife, so I know for

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<v Speaker 1>a fact that people absolutely engage in criminal activities directly

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<v Speaker 1>in front of the police because where we live Q

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<v Speaker 1>and I, the laws are written to where if you

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<v Speaker 1>have a nightclub sort of establishment, you need off duty

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<v Speaker 1>police officers there and typically they're uniformed and they're in

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<v Speaker 1>their whole police get up. And people still fight, people

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<v Speaker 1>still pull out guns, people still break the law. They

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<v Speaker 1>what is it when they urinate in public? It's like

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<v Speaker 1>a sex offense sort of thing in some places. Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>so all these people break the law in full view

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<v Speaker 1>of the police all the time. Right, But those laws

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<v Speaker 1>exist to make people feel safer, and I'm not going

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<v Speaker 1>to say that that does not have an impact on

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<v Speaker 1>some knuckleheads who might want to they might second guess themselves.

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<v Speaker 2>Right now, that's a random Please is there a danger

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<v Speaker 2>in the perception of safety when it doesn't actually exist?

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<v Speaker 1>Absolutely?

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<v Speaker 2>Right, Because when you see a police officer in full

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<v Speaker 2>tactical gear with a shotgun and you're a patron that

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<v Speaker 2>said nightclub, you feel safer, You actually do, I'm less

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<v Speaker 2>likely to be harmed. Here, there's a sheriff right there,

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<v Speaker 2>there's a police officer right there. Now your guard is Now,

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<v Speaker 2>are you actually in more danger because you think you're

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<v Speaker 2>safer when you actually are not? How about this.

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<v Speaker 1>I remember a story where the old president was responding

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<v Speaker 1>to a mass shooting event, right, and the shooting event

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<v Speaker 1>took place on a campus, and I remember there was

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<v Speaker 1>an officer on the campus and the officer fled from

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<v Speaker 1>the active shooter with all the students did not run

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<v Speaker 1>toward the active shooter. And the former president was kind

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<v Speaker 1>of beating a chess saying, well, if I had been there,

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<v Speaker 1>I would have engaged, you know, blah blah blah. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>But what we see there as a trained officer who's

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<v Speaker 1>hired to protect the children, and it's like, Nope, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>out right, I'm not going to be able to do

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<v Speaker 1>it talk to them now. I know that these are

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<v Speaker 1>sort of one off examples, right, and there's probably innumerable

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<v Speaker 1>examples of police actually running toward the uh the danger

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<v Speaker 1>to put the fire out, so to speak, to handle

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<v Speaker 1>the bad guys, that sort of thing, right, But we

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<v Speaker 1>do need to ask these critical questions because I will

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<v Speaker 1>say it again as often as I can if there's

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<v Speaker 1>an audience and a microphone. I do believe that there

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<v Speaker 1>is some merit two the movement and the ideas behind

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<v Speaker 1>defunding the police rather defunding and reallocating the fiscal resources

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<v Speaker 1>that we pump into police departments. I wish we had

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<v Speaker 1>a cooler way to say it that then say defund

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<v Speaker 1>the police or what I just said. But you know,

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<v Speaker 1>there are proven that you know, one such program, you know, daycare,

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<v Speaker 1>head start programs in schools. There's a direct correlation between

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<v Speaker 1>retention rates in school graduation rates and crime. Believe it

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<v Speaker 1>or not, helping single mothers with day care, food programs,

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<v Speaker 1>housing programs, employment opportunities. You know, a lot of crimes

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<v Speaker 1>are based off of inequity, societal inequity, economic inequity, right,

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<v Speaker 1>and so addressing those issues with you know, some of

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<v Speaker 1>the money from these really bloated police departments that no

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<v Speaker 1>matter how much more money we pumped into them, they aren't.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not translating dollar for dollar into more safety. That's

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<v Speaker 1>something that's verifiable. That's not Rams's opinion. Will make the

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<v Speaker 1>point a little later in the segment.

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<v Speaker 2>I think we've proven that fiscally, there's no way to

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<v Speaker 2>make police more effective, right, more money, no matter how much. Right,

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<v Speaker 2>exactly if we came up with an extra trillion, it

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<v Speaker 2>still would not make our police the way that they're

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<v Speaker 2>structured now more effective.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what I'm trying to say. And so, but there

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<v Speaker 1>exists is sort of like zombie like myth that won't

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<v Speaker 1>die that people, even important, educated, well intentioned black people,

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<v Speaker 1>will say, well, listen, we need to just pay the

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<v Speaker 1>officers better. We need to get them better training, we

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<v Speaker 1>need to get them, you know, a bias training. We

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<v Speaker 1>need to get them, you know, all these sorts of things.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, this is what they think. And the fact

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<v Speaker 1>is is that no one's dealing with the fundamental issues.

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<v Speaker 1>One is that there's a psychologically basic human cycle, maybe

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<v Speaker 1>not olympic, but a basic human psychological component to where

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<v Speaker 1>if you give someone a gun and a badge and

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<v Speaker 1>give them this perceived authority over you know, another human beings,

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<v Speaker 1>body and agency and so forth. That it often not

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<v Speaker 1>always creates a sort of God complex, and sometimes that

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<v Speaker 1>gets away from from people, and we see people police

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<v Speaker 1>officers abusing that and that causes great harm to society,

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<v Speaker 1>especially black and brown neighborhoods around the country. We also

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<v Speaker 1>see that, you know, there's this almost like a I

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<v Speaker 1>don't want to call it a brotherhood, but like a

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<v Speaker 1>it's like a fraternity or something where they keep each

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<v Speaker 1>other's secrets and everything that they do that is wrong,

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<v Speaker 1>they will somehow make it right, not only to us

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<v Speaker 1>the public, you know, they'll tell us the story that

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<v Speaker 1>we need because we want to eat it up, but

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<v Speaker 1>they'll make it right in their own head, like I

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<v Speaker 1>can't be the bad guy who wants to be the

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<v Speaker 1>bad guy in their own story.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's not specific to police though, right a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of these problems we ignore basic human elements with regards

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<v Speaker 2>to police, as if they's somehow of a higher enlightenment.

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<v Speaker 2>We don't know the intentions of regular people. So you

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<v Speaker 2>spoke about giving someone a badging a gun, you often

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<v Speaker 2>don't know how ill or well intentioned that person is

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<v Speaker 2>until after they've already done something heinous, right, And even

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<v Speaker 2>people with good intentions could be put into a high pressure,

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<v Speaker 2>high stakes position and make a fatal mistake. Sure mistakes

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<v Speaker 2>are made, but how about people who actually have ill

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<v Speaker 2>intent the whole reason that they want to be a

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<v Speaker 2>police officer so that they can abuse that power. Again,

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<v Speaker 2>these things are not unique to police officers. Protecting our

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<v Speaker 2>own is not unique to police officers. No one wants

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<v Speaker 2>the group they're a part of to be pointed out

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<v Speaker 2>in a bad way. Of course, that's not again unique

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<v Speaker 2>to police. So I think a lot of people who

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<v Speaker 2>were up in arms you said the old with the

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<v Speaker 2>old president. How and why that was so divisive is

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<v Speaker 2>because some of those people, when you accused or attacked him,

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<v Speaker 2>saw themselves sure and had to stand and very very

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<v Speaker 2>vehemently defend their own position, right, but made it appear

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<v Speaker 2>like they were just defending the person that they voted for,

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<v Speaker 2>where he can't be all of those things because I

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<v Speaker 2>share some of his ideology and that would mean I'm

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<v Speaker 2>that and I'm not that, right, So that's not unique

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<v Speaker 2>to police. You know, keeping each other's secrets and defending

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<v Speaker 2>each other because the idea that there's no such thing

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<v Speaker 2>as a good cop is false. But every cop that

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of cops might hear this show and hear

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<v Speaker 2>us talking about the quote unquote bad cops and feel

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<v Speaker 2>the need to defend it or to feel offended by it,

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<v Speaker 2>because this is a collective that I'm a part of,

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<v Speaker 2>and I don't like it being spoken about in that way. However,

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<v Speaker 2>we live in a society where punitive is also good

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<v Speaker 2>for the corporations at large, or the singular corporation at large,

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<v Speaker 2>our company, you know, one of the most thriving capitalist

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<v Speaker 2>societies in the history of Earth, the United States of America. Right,

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<v Speaker 2>So when punitive also helps pay the bills, Now you're

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<v Speaker 2>talking about incentivizing the idea of enforcing these laws that

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<v Speaker 2>sometimes we don't even know are being broken or that

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<v Speaker 2>exists without that education. There's profit in that education not existing.

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<v Speaker 2>There's profit in allowing people to break laws they don't

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<v Speaker 2>know about. So there is no incentive for the system

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<v Speaker 2>to be better. Sadly, I hate to be the dark

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<v Speaker 2>cloud all the time, but there is no incentive for

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<v Speaker 2>these things to improve.

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<v Speaker 1>So let's jump in right here. The people that continue

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<v Speaker 1>to bolster the system, with their votes, with their ideas,

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<v Speaker 1>with their counter protests in recent years, are people that

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<v Speaker 1>you know, maybe these people never change their mind, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>And that's okay, because you know, we all need to

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<v Speaker 1>hold each other's ideas over each other's heads. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>we all have different ways of experiencing reality, and each

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<v Speaker 1>one is valid in my opinion, right, and together we

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<v Speaker 1>should find the thing that works the best for the

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<v Speaker 1>most people. I think that's the best that anyone could ask, right.

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<v Speaker 1>So I'm not saying that anyone's wrong, but I do

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<v Speaker 1>believe that it's appropriate for people to think, well, does

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<v Speaker 1>more police make things safer? Right? Because again you would think, well,

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<v Speaker 1>I moved, you know, right next to the police precinct,

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<v Speaker 1>so we're good over here. You know. I used to

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<v Speaker 1>when I was in college, I had a work study program.

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<v Speaker 1>I would be the person that would patrol the parking

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<v Speaker 1>lots right from my little clipboard and my little radio.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's how I got work study money so I

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<v Speaker 1>could go to school, right, and we would have police

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<v Speaker 1>cars on the campus. This is a college campus, so

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<v Speaker 1>you know, the college campuses do have police, at least

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<v Speaker 1>where we live in Arizona. So yeah, police would be

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<v Speaker 1>there all the time, all the time. There were cars

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<v Speaker 1>in the parking lot, there would be police in the

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<v Speaker 1>parking lot. Not just police cars, but police. Right, cars

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<v Speaker 1>got stolen out of that lot all the time, all

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<v Speaker 1>the time. With cameras and police, the visible cameras. People

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<v Speaker 1>would just what we would see the tapes. Well, this

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<v Speaker 1>is the guy walking in yep, Now he's in the car. Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>there goes the car. He's gone, you know, And as

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<v Speaker 1>far as I remember, never recovered any of those cars,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, at least not in a timely manner. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>it's not like all the police were on the campus

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<v Speaker 1>so they could respond immediately. And now everybody's better because

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<v Speaker 1>we had police there. No man, A lot of times

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<v Speaker 1>police didn't even know, right, if someone's gonna steal a car,

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<v Speaker 1>if their intention when they wake up is to steal

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<v Speaker 1>a car, they are going to steal that car, right,

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<v Speaker 1>So putting more police, you could put a million police officers.

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<v Speaker 1>If someone is dead set on stealing car, guess what

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<v Speaker 1>they're gonna do. Steal a car, right, But if you

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<v Speaker 1>can't prevent the crime from happening that way, by putting

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<v Speaker 1>a million police officers, which would cost a lot of money.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe you could put a couple of programs. Maybe you

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<v Speaker 1>could put some more job opportunities. Maybe you can prevent

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<v Speaker 1>the necessity of someone getting so desperate that they wake

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<v Speaker 1>up in the morning and they say, listen, the only

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<v Speaker 1>way I can make whatever happen to get from point

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<v Speaker 1>A to point B, or make some money or whatever

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<v Speaker 1>is steal a car. The only way to really approach that,

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<v Speaker 1>even if it's kids just wanting to go for a

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<v Speaker 1>joy ride, put in some act school programs, put in

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<v Speaker 1>you know, whatever, whatever it is in the community. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe that might be more effective and cheaper. And if

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<v Speaker 1>you're like, well, how are we going to pay for

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<v Speaker 1>after school programs, and how are we gonna you know,

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<v Speaker 1>we'll take some of that money from the million cops,

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<v Speaker 1>put it into the neighborhood. Maybe the car thefts go down, right,

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<v Speaker 1>So this is what I want us to think about. Again,

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<v Speaker 1>Ramses is not right. I don't mean MS does have

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<v Speaker 1>to ask these questions.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't even want to talk about the word we

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<v Speaker 2>get the money from apart because our environment shows us

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<v Speaker 2>as often as it feels like the money exists all.

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<v Speaker 1>The time for the things they want to get. It

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<v Speaker 1>like that it's ready to go in the billions. Not

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<v Speaker 1>a couple of dollars, man, I'm knowing. Okay. Now, another

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<v Speaker 1>reason that the story came up is because Q sent

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<v Speaker 1>me something on Instagram.

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<v Speaker 2>You want to talk about it, I do, but I

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<v Speaker 2>want to be accurate with the agency that we cite here, Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>with regards to that story, because I was just really

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<v Speaker 2>blown away by what I thought was comical, something that

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<v Speaker 2>these officers were celebrating in a way and so proudly.

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<v Speaker 2>I initially thought it must have been a joke.

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<v Speaker 1>The New York.

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<v Speaker 2>Police Department sixtieth Precinct, we are citing them as our source.

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<v Speaker 2>They said this not a newspaper. The NYPD sixtieth Precinct

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<v Speaker 2>verified Twitter page NYPD Brooklyn South. Great job by your

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<v Speaker 2>sixty Precinct public safety team in regards I'm sorry that

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<v Speaker 2>I'm laughing, but this is so upsetting that it's funny.

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<v Speaker 2>In regards to last night's rest of one individual and

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<v Speaker 2>the recovery of ah ah a one. Whatever you wanted

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<v Speaker 2>to use in place of a very singlegular firearm is

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<v Speaker 2>now off your streets. This is not a joke, people,

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<v Speaker 2>This is a proud post by this precinct. Picture are one, two, three, four, five, six,

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<v Speaker 2>seven officers grouped around a table with a single gun

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<v Speaker 2>sitting on it, oh and two bullets.

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<v Speaker 1>All right. So we've talked many times on the show

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<v Speaker 1>about police department blunders where they get a lot of money,

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<v Speaker 1>they spend a lot of money and it doesn't make

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<v Speaker 1>any real change, and we don't bring it up to

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<v Speaker 1>laugh in the face of the police officers. We recognize

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<v Speaker 1>and respect that everybody's got a job to do right,

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<v Speaker 1>but it is our responsibility to remain ever critical of

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<v Speaker 1>what we believe to be institutions that can improve right.

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<v Speaker 1>We happen to know that policing has its roots in

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<v Speaker 1>white supremacy, and so if we call it a white

0:22:12.760 --> 0:22:17.720
<v Speaker 1>supremacist institution, we don't believe that we're wrong with that. Said,

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<v Speaker 1>our only agenda here is to make sure that we

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<v Speaker 1>charge everyone with doing the best that they can do,

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<v Speaker 1>and no one rests on their laurels. And you know what,

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<v Speaker 1>you're listening to our voices, it is your responsibility to

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<v Speaker 1>ensure that we do the best that we can do.

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<v Speaker 1>We give you all of our information at the end

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<v Speaker 1>of the show, Pure gold Fere's no fire. If we

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<v Speaker 1>get something wrong, we will admit it, we will own it,

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<v Speaker 1>we will eat that crow. We've done it many times

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<v Speaker 1>on the show. We've got something well, not many times,

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<v Speaker 1>but you know, whenever we got it wrong and it

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<v Speaker 1>was pointed out to us, you know we're not above

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<v Speaker 1>that right. And so for us to hold police policing

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<v Speaker 1>accountable is on with what we do. Now. I want

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<v Speaker 1>to add something else here. Regardless of how you feel

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<v Speaker 1>about Sean King, he gets us some information and sometimes

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<v Speaker 1>we'll use it on this show. So this came from

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<v Speaker 1>a post of his that just kind of helps make

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<v Speaker 1>this point a little bit further. You feel free to

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<v Speaker 1>look him up. Sean King, I think this was from

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<v Speaker 1>his Instagram says. Yesterday it was revealed that tax player

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<v Speaker 1>taxpayers in Los Angeles are paying three hundred and fifty

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<v Speaker 1>eight thousand dollars per officer for sixty cops to patrol

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<v Speaker 1>West Hollywood. They said crime exploded. Turns out it was

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<v Speaker 1>two hundred and forty nine cell phones lost it clubs.

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<v Speaker 1>They found two of them. Okay, so I mean sixty

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<v Speaker 1>police officers each are costing the city three hundred and

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<v Speaker 1>fifty eight thousand dollars. That's not just salaries or contracts

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<v Speaker 1>or whatever that's gear, that's you know, whatever or whatever

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<v Speaker 1>it takes to you know, benefit all that sort of stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>Three hundred and fifty one thousand dollars per cops, sixty

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<v Speaker 1>of them so that they can recover two of the

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<v Speaker 1>lost two and forty nine cell phones. They're responding to

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<v Speaker 1>a crime wave that didn't exist, and they only I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>this is like a less than one percent dent that

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<v Speaker 1>they've made in this and said crime wave, just like

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<v Speaker 1>the story you mentioned where the officers were all standing

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<v Speaker 1>around getting one gun off the streets and posing as

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<v Speaker 1>though now the world is a safer place, or even

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<v Speaker 1>their Brooklyn is a safer place. You know how many

0:24:39.119 --> 0:24:44.879
<v Speaker 1>people live in Brooklyn. And so again we need to

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<v Speaker 1>really rethink what makes us safer. Do more cops make

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<v Speaker 1>us safer? Do more intelligent policies and philosophies and approaches

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<v Speaker 1>to dealing with each other make us safer