1 00:00:04,559 --> 00:00:07,600 Speaker 1: Welcome into Lounge presented by DraftKings. I'm Ryan Mink here 2 00:00:07,640 --> 00:00:11,400 Speaker 1: with Garrett Downing and it is game Day, Monday Night 3 00:00:11,520 --> 00:00:15,200 Speaker 1: Football Tonight, Ravens at Tampa Bay to take on the 4 00:00:15,240 --> 00:00:18,360 Speaker 1: Tampa Bay Buccaneers. Is a big game, Garrett, and we 5 00:00:18,400 --> 00:00:20,799 Speaker 1: are going to talk through the biggest news of the 6 00:00:20,800 --> 00:00:23,319 Speaker 1: week leading into this game as well as kind of 7 00:00:23,320 --> 00:00:25,560 Speaker 1: break down the matchups and what we're looking forward to 8 00:00:25,600 --> 00:00:28,960 Speaker 1: seeing in this game, what we expect. So Garrett's let's 9 00:00:28,960 --> 00:00:33,040 Speaker 1: start it out here. So a big, a big point 10 00:00:33,080 --> 00:00:35,919 Speaker 1: from this week was Lamar Jackson. Obviously he's playing at 11 00:00:35,960 --> 00:00:39,560 Speaker 1: an extremely high level, and he said, to your question, 12 00:00:39,640 --> 00:00:42,240 Speaker 1: I'll give you props, guess a good question for journal 13 00:00:42,800 --> 00:00:45,640 Speaker 1: the big j journalists. You get your journalism badge this week, buddy. 14 00:00:45,680 --> 00:00:46,040 Speaker 2: All right? 15 00:00:46,680 --> 00:00:49,880 Speaker 1: Uh, you asked him, you know, basically, what's been going 16 00:00:49,960 --> 00:00:51,640 Speaker 1: right this season? Why are you playing at such a 17 00:00:51,720 --> 00:00:54,200 Speaker 1: high level? And he said the game is slowing down 18 00:00:54,280 --> 00:00:59,560 Speaker 1: for him, which really backs up what we're all seeing 19 00:01:00,120 --> 00:01:03,000 Speaker 1: on the field and on the tape that this guy 20 00:01:03,080 --> 00:01:04,720 Speaker 1: is really in command of the line of scrimmage. I 21 00:01:04,760 --> 00:01:06,600 Speaker 1: think it's a big deal for this offense. 22 00:01:06,800 --> 00:01:07,360 Speaker 2: It really is. 23 00:01:07,400 --> 00:01:09,720 Speaker 3: And I thought It was a pretty telling admission from 24 00:01:09,800 --> 00:01:12,160 Speaker 3: Lamar that just the way that he's seeing the game 25 00:01:12,200 --> 00:01:14,960 Speaker 3: and how it's slowing down, that that's allowing him to 26 00:01:15,200 --> 00:01:17,280 Speaker 3: make more checks to the line of scrimmage to get 27 00:01:17,319 --> 00:01:18,040 Speaker 3: the Ravens. 28 00:01:17,720 --> 00:01:18,560 Speaker 2: Into the right plays. 29 00:01:18,880 --> 00:01:21,600 Speaker 3: And just for a second before we really dive into 30 00:01:21,640 --> 00:01:23,319 Speaker 3: the conversation around this game, if you look back at 31 00:01:23,400 --> 00:01:27,280 Speaker 3: Lamar's career in twenty nineteen, he steps in as his 32 00:01:27,280 --> 00:01:29,160 Speaker 3: first year as a starter, and everything was new. This 33 00:01:29,160 --> 00:01:31,560 Speaker 3: whole offense was new, The system that the Ravens were 34 00:01:31,600 --> 00:01:34,400 Speaker 3: running was very new, and he was better than anybody 35 00:01:34,680 --> 00:01:37,959 Speaker 3: expected or realized. He was such a dynamic player, but 36 00:01:38,040 --> 00:01:40,240 Speaker 3: really the Ravens and he caught the raven the league 37 00:01:40,319 --> 00:01:43,080 Speaker 3: by surprise. Then over the course of the next few 38 00:01:43,120 --> 00:01:46,800 Speaker 3: years they continued running that system under Greg Roman, and 39 00:01:46,920 --> 00:01:49,600 Speaker 3: he still was really dynamic. Obviously in twenty one and 40 00:01:49,640 --> 00:01:51,720 Speaker 3: twenty two he got hurt that in twenty three last year, 41 00:01:51,760 --> 00:01:55,720 Speaker 3: they switched to Todd Munkin and that was a new offense. 42 00:01:55,760 --> 00:01:58,520 Speaker 3: It's a new system, it's a new approach, and there 43 00:01:58,600 --> 00:02:01,160 Speaker 3: was I mean, the Ravens were still great. 44 00:02:01,160 --> 00:02:04,120 Speaker 2: They had the AFC's top seed. Lamar Jackson won an MVP. 45 00:02:04,600 --> 00:02:07,920 Speaker 3: So they were great, you know, but there's still I 46 00:02:07,920 --> 00:02:10,239 Speaker 3: think were some growing pains within the offense, especially early 47 00:02:10,280 --> 00:02:11,440 Speaker 3: on learning how it works. 48 00:02:12,280 --> 00:02:14,000 Speaker 2: What does it mean for Lamar to have the keys 49 00:02:14,040 --> 00:02:14,720 Speaker 2: all that stuff. 50 00:02:14,840 --> 00:02:17,959 Speaker 3: So then after the experience of that last year, the 51 00:02:18,040 --> 00:02:21,800 Speaker 3: Ravens went into this offseason. I mean John Harbaugh told 52 00:02:21,880 --> 00:02:23,919 Speaker 3: us when he said down on the podcast a few 53 00:02:23,919 --> 00:02:26,240 Speaker 3: months ago, like right after the season, him and Tom 54 00:02:26,280 --> 00:02:29,359 Speaker 3: munkin the day after, like they were talking about how 55 00:02:29,440 --> 00:02:31,679 Speaker 3: to evolve this offense going to the second year. 56 00:02:31,720 --> 00:02:33,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, they felt like that was just like the tip 57 00:02:33,320 --> 00:02:35,280 Speaker 1: of the icebery last season exactly. 58 00:02:35,560 --> 00:02:39,040 Speaker 3: And so now basically they went into this year, changed 59 00:02:39,040 --> 00:02:42,760 Speaker 3: some things, made tweaks to it, and put even more 60 00:02:42,760 --> 00:02:45,960 Speaker 3: of this responsibility on Lamar. And so all of like 61 00:02:46,000 --> 00:02:49,560 Speaker 3: the whole long winded answer of like Lamar's career and 62 00:02:49,600 --> 00:02:52,440 Speaker 3: backstory leads us to a point now where he has 63 00:02:52,480 --> 00:02:55,079 Speaker 3: a mastery of what the offense is, how he can 64 00:02:55,120 --> 00:02:57,280 Speaker 3: put his stamp on it, and how he can adjust 65 00:02:57,360 --> 00:02:59,800 Speaker 3: based on what defenses are doing. And that's why I 66 00:02:59,800 --> 00:03:03,560 Speaker 3: think that this offense is really really it's the whole 67 00:03:03,560 --> 00:03:06,720 Speaker 3: pick You're poison thing, because Lamar is in control and 68 00:03:06,800 --> 00:03:09,440 Speaker 3: has the ability to make the checks and to get 69 00:03:09,480 --> 00:03:12,320 Speaker 3: this team into the right place every single time, along 70 00:03:12,360 --> 00:03:13,359 Speaker 3: with a great coaching staff. 71 00:03:13,440 --> 00:03:16,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, I completely agree, and I think that, you know, 72 00:03:17,160 --> 00:03:19,600 Speaker 1: part of it is, like Tyler Linnenbaum said on the pod, 73 00:03:19,840 --> 00:03:22,480 Speaker 1: they've built more tools to allow Lamar to do that. 74 00:03:22,520 --> 00:03:26,400 Speaker 1: So it's also I think they're structurally better around doing that. 75 00:03:26,480 --> 00:03:28,880 Speaker 1: And it's also just the empowerment of Lamar Jackson that 76 00:03:28,880 --> 00:03:31,280 Speaker 1: Todd Munkin when he was first hired said he wanted 77 00:03:31,320 --> 00:03:33,720 Speaker 1: to do, and that takes a little bit of time 78 00:03:33,880 --> 00:03:36,960 Speaker 1: to get in that comfort zone. I think it really 79 00:03:37,080 --> 00:03:40,680 Speaker 1: speaks to how far Lamar has come in this degree. 80 00:03:40,720 --> 00:03:43,440 Speaker 1: And of course he's been diagnosing defense and doing this 81 00:03:43,440 --> 00:03:45,440 Speaker 1: stuff his whole career. It's just to a different level. 82 00:03:45,480 --> 00:03:46,760 Speaker 1: So we don't want to sit here and make it 83 00:03:46,800 --> 00:03:49,720 Speaker 1: sound like, oh my god, this brand new stuff here, right, 84 00:03:50,480 --> 00:03:52,800 Speaker 1: This is he's been. He's been a two time MVP 85 00:03:52,920 --> 00:03:54,560 Speaker 1: for a reason, like a man can read a defense 86 00:03:54,600 --> 00:03:57,440 Speaker 1: and get the ball out and all that. Right. The 87 00:03:57,760 --> 00:04:00,720 Speaker 1: difference is, you know, Lamar has always been like the 88 00:04:00,720 --> 00:04:03,440 Speaker 1: best athlete on the field, right, and now from a 89 00:04:03,440 --> 00:04:07,680 Speaker 1: mental standpoint, you hear a former player in logan Paulsen, 90 00:04:07,720 --> 00:04:09,280 Speaker 1: who was a former tight end for the Commanders, who 91 00:04:09,320 --> 00:04:11,520 Speaker 1: was on the field in the Ravens Commanders game. 92 00:04:11,520 --> 00:04:13,400 Speaker 2: And heard he was working at the media. 93 00:04:13,440 --> 00:04:16,600 Speaker 1: He was working in comedy capacity exactly from radio, and 94 00:04:16,680 --> 00:04:19,000 Speaker 1: he heard he could hear Lamar at the line like 95 00:04:19,080 --> 00:04:20,960 Speaker 1: changing all these plays, and he saw it for saying 96 00:04:20,960 --> 00:04:23,119 Speaker 1: and as a football player, like he recognizes this stuff 97 00:04:23,120 --> 00:04:25,559 Speaker 1: better than you and I would, right, And he said, 98 00:04:25,600 --> 00:04:27,880 Speaker 1: like a lot of the Ravens explosive plays, a lot 99 00:04:27,920 --> 00:04:30,320 Speaker 1: of the big plays on those two ninety plus yard 100 00:04:30,720 --> 00:04:33,719 Speaker 1: touchdown drives were Lamar checking in. He was like blown 101 00:04:33,760 --> 00:04:36,279 Speaker 1: away and even said it was like a tom Brady 102 00:04:36,320 --> 00:04:39,760 Speaker 1: Payton Manning level of like getting them into the right 103 00:04:39,800 --> 00:04:44,640 Speaker 1: play right. And so that that to me speaks volumes. 104 00:04:44,839 --> 00:04:47,000 Speaker 1: This is coming from a player who knows this stuff, 105 00:04:47,120 --> 00:04:52,039 Speaker 1: and that I mean, I don't want to be hyperbolic here, 106 00:04:52,480 --> 00:04:54,359 Speaker 1: but that's kind of I like to be hyperbolic, so 107 00:04:54,360 --> 00:04:57,640 Speaker 1: I kind of want to be. It might be over. 108 00:04:58,120 --> 00:04:59,760 Speaker 1: It just might be over for the rest of the league. 109 00:05:00,200 --> 00:05:04,280 Speaker 1: Just it's done. Like Lamar is playing that well, all right. 110 00:05:04,279 --> 00:05:06,120 Speaker 1: I flashed back to the training camp when John Harball 111 00:05:06,120 --> 00:05:07,600 Speaker 1: said the vision for Lamar Jackson's is to be the 112 00:05:07,600 --> 00:05:09,080 Speaker 1: greatest of all time. Now he's got to win a 113 00:05:09,080 --> 00:05:13,200 Speaker 1: lot of championships to claim that title, right He's But like, 114 00:05:14,240 --> 00:05:17,520 Speaker 1: if he's playing at that level with his athleticism, the 115 00:05:17,560 --> 00:05:19,960 Speaker 1: mental side of the game, all that, you know, get 116 00:05:20,080 --> 00:05:22,000 Speaker 1: his weapons around him playing at a high level, which 117 00:05:22,040 --> 00:05:24,120 Speaker 1: it's grit been great to see z Flowers and shot 118 00:05:24,120 --> 00:05:27,800 Speaker 1: Baitman get some shine this week. People like really climbor, 119 00:05:27,839 --> 00:05:29,640 Speaker 1: you know, talking about how well they're playing. If all 120 00:05:29,680 --> 00:05:33,080 Speaker 1: that comes together, like you see the vision that John 121 00:05:33,080 --> 00:05:35,000 Speaker 1: Harball referenced in training camp. 122 00:05:35,040 --> 00:05:36,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that. 123 00:05:37,800 --> 00:05:40,800 Speaker 3: Lamar, if he continues to play like this, it's just 124 00:05:40,839 --> 00:05:43,480 Speaker 3: going to be really difficult. And the scheme is built 125 00:05:43,480 --> 00:05:45,960 Speaker 3: so well that it can be. They have so many 126 00:05:46,000 --> 00:05:48,400 Speaker 3: different options you can go to and like if you're 127 00:05:48,440 --> 00:05:52,120 Speaker 3: gonna stop, okay, you can't sell out to stop Mark Andrews. 128 00:05:52,120 --> 00:05:54,919 Speaker 3: And then the offense folds because now you have Derek Henry, 129 00:05:54,960 --> 00:05:56,760 Speaker 3: you have Save Flowers, and you have Isaiah Likely and 130 00:05:56,760 --> 00:05:59,040 Speaker 3: you have just all these different weapons. And Lamar is 131 00:05:59,080 --> 00:06:02,240 Speaker 3: so skilled right now being able to diagnose what the 132 00:06:02,279 --> 00:06:04,960 Speaker 3: defense is selling out to stop, and then okay, you're 133 00:06:05,000 --> 00:06:07,039 Speaker 3: gonna sell out to stop the run, No problem. Here's 134 00:06:07,040 --> 00:06:10,000 Speaker 3: a fifteen yard out to say, Flowers, Okay, you're gonna 135 00:06:10,000 --> 00:06:13,400 Speaker 3: play a little soft here because you're respecting the receivers. Sure, 136 00:06:13,480 --> 00:06:15,320 Speaker 3: no problem. Here's Derek Henry in the fourth quarter for 137 00:06:15,320 --> 00:06:19,479 Speaker 3: a big game, and he is he has this control. 138 00:06:19,520 --> 00:06:21,200 Speaker 3: And I think, I just think that's part of what 139 00:06:21,279 --> 00:06:25,440 Speaker 3: happens with the quarterback who's now a veteran player. He's 140 00:06:25,480 --> 00:06:28,279 Speaker 3: not a young player anymore. He's in the sixth year, 141 00:06:28,400 --> 00:06:32,040 Speaker 3: Like this is this is what happens for a quarterback 142 00:06:32,279 --> 00:06:37,360 Speaker 3: who goes through and progresses, Like that's just what happens 143 00:06:38,440 --> 00:06:40,479 Speaker 3: at this point of his career. And so I think 144 00:06:40,480 --> 00:06:43,080 Speaker 3: that not for everybody. I think that for the greats. 145 00:06:43,200 --> 00:06:45,320 Speaker 3: I think that for the greats, that greats like when 146 00:06:45,360 --> 00:06:50,680 Speaker 3: you have the experience, you're you have an understanding of 147 00:06:50,720 --> 00:06:53,200 Speaker 3: what you're seeing and honestly, like rolling it forward to 148 00:06:53,240 --> 00:06:56,600 Speaker 3: this game, like you're seeing an element of that. 149 00:06:56,720 --> 00:06:58,560 Speaker 2: Like with Baker Mayfield and Tampa. 150 00:06:58,600 --> 00:07:01,120 Speaker 3: Like Baker Mayfield obviously the same draft classes Lamor, those 151 00:07:01,120 --> 00:07:03,880 Speaker 3: two guys will always be connected in that way. Baker 152 00:07:03,960 --> 00:07:05,720 Speaker 3: was vision role pick for Lamar was the thirty second 153 00:07:05,760 --> 00:07:08,160 Speaker 3: overall pick. Baker's having the best season of his career. 154 00:07:08,400 --> 00:07:09,840 Speaker 3: He's gone through a lot of changes, it's been a 155 00:07:09,920 --> 00:07:13,960 Speaker 3: very different since fourth team to this point, but he 156 00:07:14,040 --> 00:07:15,960 Speaker 3: clearly has a great feel for what he's seeing in 157 00:07:16,000 --> 00:07:19,240 Speaker 3: front of him. He's making he's reading defenses the right way, 158 00:07:19,600 --> 00:07:21,880 Speaker 3: and you're seeing the success that he's having with fifteen 159 00:07:21,920 --> 00:07:22,680 Speaker 3: touchdowns this year. 160 00:07:22,840 --> 00:07:26,280 Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely, it's the evolution of a quarterback. I agree 161 00:07:26,320 --> 00:07:28,360 Speaker 1: with that that statement. Then the good ones doing, yeah, 162 00:07:28,400 --> 00:07:29,760 Speaker 1: the good ones make that evolution. 163 00:07:29,920 --> 00:07:30,360 Speaker 2: Yeah. 164 00:07:30,520 --> 00:07:34,600 Speaker 1: And all right, So the guy who's really been helping 165 00:07:34,640 --> 00:07:37,440 Speaker 1: Lamar along line here, it's been Zay Flowers. Back to 166 00:07:37,480 --> 00:07:41,760 Speaker 1: back hundred plus yard games. Can he continue at that 167 00:07:41,920 --> 00:07:44,280 Speaker 1: pace against the Bucks one. 168 00:07:44,280 --> 00:07:46,920 Speaker 3: Hundred yards of every game. I don't know if he 169 00:07:46,960 --> 00:07:49,120 Speaker 3: can continue at that pace every game, but I think 170 00:07:49,160 --> 00:07:52,040 Speaker 3: that there will be. I kind of feel with Zay 171 00:07:52,480 --> 00:07:55,000 Speaker 3: it's like we were saying earlier this earlier this season, 172 00:07:55,480 --> 00:07:57,640 Speaker 3: with the running game, make it, make him stop it. 173 00:07:59,520 --> 00:08:01,280 Speaker 3: You want to see him stop at first before you 174 00:08:01,360 --> 00:08:03,320 Speaker 3: go away from it. And I feel that way with 175 00:08:03,360 --> 00:08:08,960 Speaker 3: the Ravens passing game. If defenses are playing Zay Flowers 176 00:08:09,000 --> 00:08:11,680 Speaker 3: and man and man coverage and they're also bringing an 177 00:08:11,680 --> 00:08:14,440 Speaker 3: extra guy or to close to the box to protect 178 00:08:14,440 --> 00:08:17,240 Speaker 3: against Derek Henry. I just don't see there being many 179 00:08:17,280 --> 00:08:20,360 Speaker 3: situations where he's going to be unable to get separation. 180 00:08:21,640 --> 00:08:24,960 Speaker 3: I think he'll be able to separate and get ten 181 00:08:25,160 --> 00:08:28,560 Speaker 3: fifteen yard completions with relativita. 182 00:08:28,720 --> 00:08:31,400 Speaker 1: I feel like we've been saying this. Zay's entire career 183 00:08:31,480 --> 00:08:33,199 Speaker 1: is like you watch him out on the practice field 184 00:08:33,240 --> 00:08:35,120 Speaker 1: and you see how sudden and quick he is. The 185 00:08:35,200 --> 00:08:38,040 Speaker 1: change of direction, the flatout speed, the explosion, all that stuff, 186 00:08:38,040 --> 00:08:40,440 Speaker 1: and you're like, Sky gets open all the time. Yeah, 187 00:08:40,480 --> 00:08:44,600 Speaker 1: same with Bait. I mean, Bait's the separation king, right, 188 00:08:44,640 --> 00:08:48,800 Speaker 1: and you're like, with how much he's getting open, why 189 00:08:49,040 --> 00:08:53,840 Speaker 1: is it not? You know, is Zay not consistently gashing teams? 190 00:08:54,520 --> 00:08:58,240 Speaker 1: And I think that he's reached that level now at 191 00:08:58,240 --> 00:09:01,559 Speaker 1: this point. And I agree with you, like in the 192 00:09:01,600 --> 00:09:04,040 Speaker 1: pick your Poison offense, I don't think he's gonna get 193 00:09:04,400 --> 00:09:07,839 Speaker 1: you know, ten targets every single game, but I think 194 00:09:07,840 --> 00:09:09,200 Speaker 1: he's going to make the most of them. And I 195 00:09:09,240 --> 00:09:11,760 Speaker 1: think that he has a chance to keep it rolling 196 00:09:11,760 --> 00:09:14,640 Speaker 1: in this game specifically. Yeah, you know, the Bucks pass 197 00:09:14,720 --> 00:09:16,960 Speaker 1: defense ranks twenty eighth in the league. They're giving up 198 00:09:16,960 --> 00:09:20,920 Speaker 1: two hundred and fifty two passing yards per game, and 199 00:09:21,000 --> 00:09:22,800 Speaker 1: so you know, it's not that far ahead of the 200 00:09:22,840 --> 00:09:26,240 Speaker 1: Ravens that bring thirty first. And so I do think 201 00:09:26,480 --> 00:09:30,040 Speaker 1: that in this game, Zay Flowers could have another another 202 00:09:30,160 --> 00:09:30,880 Speaker 1: really good showing. 203 00:09:31,400 --> 00:09:36,719 Speaker 3: The kind of classic answer when a receiver's playing well 204 00:09:36,840 --> 00:09:39,600 Speaker 3: is like, just double them, just double them, and Okay, well, 205 00:09:39,600 --> 00:09:41,920 Speaker 3: if you're going to double Za, well then that takes 206 00:09:41,920 --> 00:09:44,560 Speaker 3: the safety away from the middle of the field or 207 00:09:44,720 --> 00:09:47,120 Speaker 3: in the box where you need to commit resources to 208 00:09:47,160 --> 00:09:50,480 Speaker 3: stopping the run Lamar and Derek. So I don't think 209 00:09:50,520 --> 00:09:53,880 Speaker 3: that doubling Za is really an option for defenses because 210 00:09:54,679 --> 00:09:55,080 Speaker 3: you have. 211 00:09:55,000 --> 00:09:57,600 Speaker 1: All these other Mark Andrews the middle of the field 212 00:09:58,000 --> 00:09:58,280 Speaker 1: you have. 213 00:09:58,720 --> 00:10:00,960 Speaker 3: I don't think that defense coordinators really gonna be able 214 00:10:01,000 --> 00:10:02,880 Speaker 3: to say, like, let's just double day Flowers. And I 215 00:10:02,880 --> 00:10:05,400 Speaker 3: think that if he's in single coverage, he's generally going 216 00:10:05,440 --> 00:10:07,920 Speaker 3: to be able to get opened. Yes, And I think 217 00:10:08,000 --> 00:10:11,240 Speaker 3: Lamar's got He's They're dialing in the connection that they 218 00:10:11,280 --> 00:10:12,959 Speaker 3: have and I think that they're not going to go 219 00:10:12,960 --> 00:10:15,520 Speaker 3: away from it. So I do think this could this 220 00:10:15,600 --> 00:10:17,760 Speaker 3: week in particular, it could be another big game for 221 00:10:17,840 --> 00:10:18,439 Speaker 3: say Yep. 222 00:10:18,559 --> 00:10:22,920 Speaker 1: I completely agree Lamar Jackson has had a lot of 223 00:10:23,000 --> 00:10:27,080 Speaker 1: big games against NFC opponents. Yes, the record is twenty 224 00:10:27,440 --> 00:10:29,679 Speaker 1: three and twenty two and one. Twenty two and one, okay, 225 00:10:29,679 --> 00:10:33,240 Speaker 1: soon to be twenty three and one. And so you know, 226 00:10:33,320 --> 00:10:36,240 Speaker 1: he was asked about this again this week. It's always 227 00:10:36,240 --> 00:10:38,960 Speaker 1: funny when it comes up and he hates it. He 228 00:10:39,040 --> 00:10:43,280 Speaker 1: hates it Jamison. It's always Jameson, our friend Jamison at ESPN. 229 00:10:43,360 --> 00:10:44,760 Speaker 1: He's always the one that asked the question. 230 00:10:44,760 --> 00:10:47,880 Speaker 3: It's true, and even Lamar joked about He's like, come on, Jameson, 231 00:10:47,960 --> 00:10:49,359 Speaker 3: you know I don't like talking about. 232 00:10:49,080 --> 00:10:53,120 Speaker 1: That, right, right, and uh, but Lamar kind of gave 233 00:10:54,240 --> 00:10:58,000 Speaker 1: one of his more He actually answered it decently this time, 234 00:10:58,760 --> 00:11:01,600 Speaker 1: and did len reading to the fact that you know, 235 00:11:01,640 --> 00:11:04,960 Speaker 1: when you see the Ravens only one time every four 236 00:11:05,040 --> 00:11:08,800 Speaker 1: years or whatever, then you know it's hard to prepare 237 00:11:08,840 --> 00:11:11,960 Speaker 1: for them. Huh. That and and I I agree with 238 00:11:12,040 --> 00:11:17,120 Speaker 1: that to a degree. Uh, but it's still beyond that. 239 00:11:17,240 --> 00:11:19,960 Speaker 1: I don't think that explains everything, right, especially as the 240 00:11:20,040 --> 00:11:24,880 Speaker 1: NFL changes and you get more of these hybrid mobile quarterbacks. Now, 241 00:11:24,960 --> 00:11:28,600 Speaker 1: nobody's like Lamar exactly right, but let's just say, Okay, 242 00:11:28,679 --> 00:11:30,920 Speaker 1: a bunch of people play Jane Daniels and Commanders over 243 00:11:30,920 --> 00:11:34,120 Speaker 1: the years, right, Yeah, like over time, they're gonna get 244 00:11:34,160 --> 00:11:36,560 Speaker 1: used to playing a quarterback that plays the game in 245 00:11:36,600 --> 00:11:39,920 Speaker 1: a similar way. Again, we're not going to compare those guys. Yeah, 246 00:11:39,960 --> 00:11:42,280 Speaker 1: I wouldn't dream of comparing this. But that's but that's 247 00:11:42,320 --> 00:11:45,520 Speaker 1: been you see what you see what I'm saying. Like now, 248 00:11:45,559 --> 00:11:47,760 Speaker 1: maybe we're not to that point yet. We're not to 249 00:11:47,800 --> 00:11:50,959 Speaker 1: that point yet, right, So, like it's still like Lamar 250 00:11:51,080 --> 00:11:54,120 Speaker 1: is still very much an anomaly. He'll always probably be 251 00:11:54,120 --> 00:11:59,600 Speaker 1: an anomaly because he's that special athlete and player. But like, yeah, 252 00:11:59,720 --> 00:12:02,199 Speaker 1: I don't don't think the Bucks have caught on quite yet, 253 00:12:02,240 --> 00:12:04,120 Speaker 1: and I think that will give them problems even though 254 00:12:04,160 --> 00:12:06,720 Speaker 1: the Ravens those will be Mars third time Bland Bucks. 255 00:12:06,760 --> 00:12:08,880 Speaker 3: So yeah, they have played him a handful of times. Yeah, 256 00:12:08,960 --> 00:12:12,199 Speaker 3: they've They've beat him five straight times. Yeah, so that's 257 00:12:12,240 --> 00:12:14,400 Speaker 3: a that's a pretty long streak there, especially when you 258 00:12:14,400 --> 00:12:14,920 Speaker 3: don't see each other. 259 00:12:15,280 --> 00:12:16,760 Speaker 1: It hasn't been that. I mean they played in twenty 260 00:12:16,800 --> 00:12:19,000 Speaker 1: twenty two, I know, I know that was the game 261 00:12:19,400 --> 00:12:21,480 Speaker 1: that that was the Linden Boum putting on them white 262 00:12:21,520 --> 00:12:23,080 Speaker 1: on skates that we were talking him about. 263 00:12:22,920 --> 00:12:23,600 Speaker 2: That was that game. 264 00:12:23,640 --> 00:12:25,640 Speaker 3: It was also the game where Lamar walked off the 265 00:12:25,640 --> 00:12:27,319 Speaker 3: field and the fan through the sign that said pye 266 00:12:27,360 --> 00:12:30,280 Speaker 3: Lamar and he held it up on Thursday football and 267 00:12:30,320 --> 00:12:32,240 Speaker 3: so that was a pretty great moment. Of course, the 268 00:12:32,320 --> 00:12:35,360 Speaker 3: Ravens did pay him, so it's right he got that contract. 269 00:12:35,400 --> 00:12:37,600 Speaker 3: But that was like one of the last thing images 270 00:12:37,600 --> 00:12:38,960 Speaker 3: from that game. Of course, that was I mean that 271 00:12:39,000 --> 00:12:40,439 Speaker 3: was a very different team that Tom Brady was still 272 00:12:40,480 --> 00:12:44,400 Speaker 3: the quarterback for them on that on that team. So yes, 273 00:12:44,480 --> 00:12:48,800 Speaker 3: I think the lack of familiary familiarity is probably the 274 00:12:48,840 --> 00:12:54,800 Speaker 3: biggest reason for the success against the NFC, and hopefully 275 00:12:54,800 --> 00:12:56,199 Speaker 3: that continues in this game. 276 00:12:56,440 --> 00:13:00,480 Speaker 1: Mhm h. And obviously another point of will it continue 277 00:13:00,600 --> 00:13:04,120 Speaker 1: is this running game and Derrick Henry and the Bucks 278 00:13:04,120 --> 00:13:08,000 Speaker 1: have a pretty good, yeah, pretty darn good defensive front 279 00:13:08,120 --> 00:13:09,640 Speaker 1: led by the guy, big guy in the middle of 280 00:13:09,679 --> 00:13:10,200 Speaker 1: vita Vea. 281 00:13:10,320 --> 00:13:10,520 Speaker 2: Yeah. 282 00:13:10,559 --> 00:13:13,319 Speaker 1: Who. There aren't many humans that are larger and more 283 00:13:13,360 --> 00:13:17,280 Speaker 1: powerful than Vitavea. Travis Jearents is in that category. 284 00:13:17,520 --> 00:13:19,480 Speaker 2: He's of Travis Jones kick lately. 285 00:13:19,840 --> 00:13:20,840 Speaker 1: I mean he's a monster. 286 00:13:20,920 --> 00:13:21,920 Speaker 2: He's been playing great. 287 00:13:22,120 --> 00:13:25,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, why are you not on the kick? Why? Why 288 00:13:25,120 --> 00:13:26,520 Speaker 1: don't you get on the kick, bring go up every 289 00:13:26,600 --> 00:13:29,199 Speaker 1: chance you get. I'm waiting for you to do it. 290 00:13:29,400 --> 00:13:31,240 Speaker 1: If you're not gonna do it, I'm gonna have to 291 00:13:31,240 --> 00:13:31,440 Speaker 1: do it. 292 00:13:31,440 --> 00:13:33,920 Speaker 2: By the Ravens offense, you're like, well, man Travis Jones. 293 00:13:34,160 --> 00:13:37,080 Speaker 2: Maybe they put him at full back. They already got 294 00:13:37,120 --> 00:13:37,679 Speaker 2: a good full back. 295 00:13:37,800 --> 00:13:40,560 Speaker 1: Okay, I'm driving the bus right now. I'll fully admit it. 296 00:13:41,480 --> 00:13:43,600 Speaker 1: All right, be back to Vitavea. He's pretty good. He's 297 00:13:43,640 --> 00:13:47,600 Speaker 1: also pretty good, you know. But this run defense, it's 298 00:13:47,640 --> 00:13:49,720 Speaker 1: better than the past. Defense ranks eleventh in the league, 299 00:13:49,720 --> 00:13:52,160 Speaker 1: giving up one hundred and thirteen yards per game. I 300 00:13:52,160 --> 00:13:54,679 Speaker 1: think this is another game where the Ravens you try 301 00:13:54,720 --> 00:13:57,480 Speaker 1: to get him on the edge and run away from 302 00:13:57,520 --> 00:13:58,400 Speaker 1: that big guy in the middle. 303 00:13:58,559 --> 00:13:58,920 Speaker 2: Yeah. 304 00:13:59,080 --> 00:14:01,480 Speaker 3: So we just spent all the time talking about the 305 00:14:01,559 --> 00:14:05,079 Speaker 3: Ravens offense being unguardable and picked your poison, all those things. 306 00:14:05,800 --> 00:14:08,600 Speaker 3: I think that the one way that the Ravens offense 307 00:14:08,640 --> 00:14:13,040 Speaker 3: could struggle in games is if if you have a 308 00:14:13,080 --> 00:14:16,320 Speaker 3: player and the front who can just wreck the game, 309 00:14:16,679 --> 00:14:19,480 Speaker 3: which is what happened against the Raiders and Max Crosby, 310 00:14:19,720 --> 00:14:23,000 Speaker 3: which is what happened at times against the Chiefs with 311 00:14:23,120 --> 00:14:26,560 Speaker 3: Chris Jones. If you have a single player who can 312 00:14:26,640 --> 00:14:29,280 Speaker 3: just wreck shop in the middle of that defensive front, 313 00:14:29,640 --> 00:14:33,000 Speaker 3: that is like the recipe to stopping the Ravens offense, 314 00:14:33,040 --> 00:14:34,840 Speaker 3: because there could be turnovers. 315 00:14:35,000 --> 00:14:37,080 Speaker 1: The pulling guards and tackles or all of a sudden 316 00:14:37,080 --> 00:14:38,880 Speaker 1: clogged up all that stuff. 317 00:14:38,880 --> 00:14:42,200 Speaker 3: The run game isn't really going anywhere. You can lead 318 00:14:42,240 --> 00:14:46,320 Speaker 3: to turnovers. It just disrupts everything. Now, there's not too 319 00:14:46,360 --> 00:14:49,440 Speaker 3: many guys in the league like Max Crosby and like 320 00:14:49,520 --> 00:14:50,040 Speaker 3: Chris Jones. 321 00:14:50,040 --> 00:14:52,160 Speaker 2: They are two of the best defensive players in football. 322 00:14:52,720 --> 00:14:55,760 Speaker 1: But I think that's how is vdave in that category? 323 00:14:55,880 --> 00:14:56,320 Speaker 1: Is the question? 324 00:14:56,520 --> 00:14:57,360 Speaker 2: That that is the question. 325 00:14:57,400 --> 00:14:59,760 Speaker 3: A different player, much different player than both those guys 326 00:14:59,760 --> 00:15:02,560 Speaker 3: like Vita Vea is more of a just clogged the 327 00:15:02,640 --> 00:15:04,240 Speaker 3: lane and congest everything in the way. 328 00:15:04,400 --> 00:15:06,480 Speaker 1: Well, he can push you in the backfield, can now 329 00:15:06,520 --> 00:15:08,600 Speaker 1: you won't push our guy Tyler Linabaum friend the lounge. 330 00:15:08,600 --> 00:15:09,080 Speaker 2: He can. 331 00:15:09,160 --> 00:15:10,400 Speaker 1: He can collapse the pocket. 332 00:15:10,720 --> 00:15:14,480 Speaker 3: But he's not like this massive sack producer like both 333 00:15:14,480 --> 00:15:16,280 Speaker 3: of those guys are. He's got three sacks this year 334 00:15:16,320 --> 00:15:17,680 Speaker 3: for sure. He got twenty six and a half in 335 00:15:17,720 --> 00:15:19,480 Speaker 3: his career. So he's not what you're talking about. 336 00:15:19,720 --> 00:15:22,800 Speaker 1: Run. But you're talking about run blocking, and he he can. 337 00:15:22,920 --> 00:15:24,800 Speaker 1: He can be a very big problem in that. 338 00:15:24,880 --> 00:15:27,520 Speaker 3: He's so so all that to say like that is 339 00:15:27,760 --> 00:15:29,800 Speaker 3: that is a concern. If he can just disrupt everything 340 00:15:29,840 --> 00:15:33,440 Speaker 3: in the run game against the Ravens' interior blockers, then 341 00:15:33,480 --> 00:15:37,640 Speaker 3: that's how the Ravens offense could have challenges in this game. 342 00:15:37,760 --> 00:15:39,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, I completely agree with that. Well, we're going to 343 00:15:39,840 --> 00:15:42,600 Speaker 1: dive into more points about this game and what we 344 00:15:42,640 --> 00:15:44,760 Speaker 1: see happening when we come back from the break. 345 00:15:45,120 --> 00:15:47,000 Speaker 3: You're listening to the Lounge podcast. We're coming to you 346 00:15:47,000 --> 00:15:48,640 Speaker 3: from the Sea Geek Studio. We also want to mention 347 00:15:48,680 --> 00:15:50,960 Speaker 3: our partners at Draft Kings sports Book. They are an 348 00:15:51,000 --> 00:15:54,440 Speaker 3: official sports betting partner of the Baltimore Ravens Draft Kings Sportsbook. 349 00:15:54,480 --> 00:15:59,760 Speaker 3: The Crown is yours. So whenever you're talking about facing 350 00:15:59,800 --> 00:16:02,960 Speaker 3: an the team, the classic defensive answer is mindset is 351 00:16:03,000 --> 00:16:03,760 Speaker 3: you got to stop the run? 352 00:16:03,920 --> 00:16:04,040 Speaker 1: Right? 353 00:16:04,680 --> 00:16:06,880 Speaker 3: Uh So this is this is I want to give 354 00:16:06,880 --> 00:16:09,640 Speaker 3: you the opportunity here to kick off the conversation around 355 00:16:09,640 --> 00:16:12,120 Speaker 3: the Ravens defense starting with your guy. 356 00:16:12,360 --> 00:16:14,080 Speaker 1: Thank you very appreciate. 357 00:16:14,240 --> 00:16:15,480 Speaker 3: You even know where I was going with it, But 358 00:16:15,520 --> 00:16:17,640 Speaker 3: I want to give you the opportunity to start the 359 00:16:17,640 --> 00:16:19,280 Speaker 3: defense defensive conversation with Travis. 360 00:16:19,320 --> 00:16:22,240 Speaker 1: Okay, well I'll say this also, I think defending the 361 00:16:22,280 --> 00:16:24,600 Speaker 1: Bucks doesn't start with stopping their rushing attack. 362 00:16:24,880 --> 00:16:26,160 Speaker 2: But I had to shows. 363 00:16:26,160 --> 00:16:30,520 Speaker 1: Okay, I appreciate, but I appreciate it. Yeah, Travis Jens 364 00:16:30,560 --> 00:16:33,520 Speaker 1: breakout has happened. Uh, go ahead and read my guy 365 00:16:33,560 --> 00:16:35,640 Speaker 1: Matt Ryan his story. He talked to Travis this week, 366 00:16:35,720 --> 00:16:36,880 Speaker 1: So go back and find that one. 367 00:16:37,400 --> 00:16:38,080 Speaker 2: Uh. 368 00:16:38,120 --> 00:16:41,600 Speaker 1: And I do think that the Ravens run defense is 369 00:16:41,600 --> 00:16:43,440 Speaker 1: playing at a historic level. I mean, they're giving up 370 00:16:43,480 --> 00:16:46,400 Speaker 1: fewer rushing yards per game right now than the two 371 00:16:46,400 --> 00:16:49,920 Speaker 1: thousand Ravens defense. Said, that's that's preposterous. Yeah, I'm not 372 00:16:49,960 --> 00:16:52,560 Speaker 1: saying that they're a better run defense than the two 373 00:16:52,560 --> 00:16:56,240 Speaker 1: thousand Ravens because it's a different era. Circumstances are much different. 374 00:16:56,480 --> 00:16:56,800 Speaker 2: Uh. 375 00:16:56,880 --> 00:16:59,240 Speaker 1: You know, like teams are airing it out against this 376 00:16:59,320 --> 00:17:02,440 Speaker 1: Ravens defense. They're not running the ball as much. The 377 00:17:02,520 --> 00:17:05,080 Speaker 1: Ravens have been in blowouts, which have you know, been 378 00:17:05,119 --> 00:17:07,680 Speaker 1: winning in blowouts, which has contributed to that in part, 379 00:17:08,040 --> 00:17:11,000 Speaker 1: the two thousand Ravens were blowing anybody out. They were 380 00:17:11,040 --> 00:17:14,760 Speaker 1: barely scoring touchdowns on offense. So yeah, at different times, 381 00:17:14,760 --> 00:17:18,399 Speaker 1: different era. Anyway, his run defense is really good. And 382 00:17:18,440 --> 00:17:22,040 Speaker 1: I will say that the Bucks rushing attack is a challenge. 383 00:17:22,080 --> 00:17:23,880 Speaker 1: You know, they're coming off a game in which they 384 00:17:24,119 --> 00:17:28,720 Speaker 1: scored fifty one points and blew out the New Orleans Saints. Yeah, 385 00:17:28,760 --> 00:17:30,840 Speaker 1: and they ran the ball thirty five times for two 386 00:17:30,960 --> 00:17:34,720 Speaker 1: hundred and seventy seven yards. I mean, it's not often 387 00:17:34,760 --> 00:17:36,639 Speaker 1: that we look at an opponent's rushing yards here in 388 00:17:36,680 --> 00:17:39,200 Speaker 1: Baltimore and we're like jealous of how many yards they 389 00:17:39,280 --> 00:17:42,080 Speaker 1: ran for to seventy seven? My goodness. 390 00:17:42,160 --> 00:17:43,959 Speaker 3: Well when you look at it too, you look at 391 00:17:43,960 --> 00:17:45,680 Speaker 3: the running backs, you're like, okay, man, it's. 392 00:17:45,840 --> 00:17:48,840 Speaker 1: Who's sean Sean Tucker ran for buck thirty six. I'll 393 00:17:48,840 --> 00:17:50,680 Speaker 1: give you five dollars right now if you can tell 394 00:17:50,720 --> 00:17:54,920 Speaker 1: me what college Sean Tucker went to, where he got drafted, 395 00:17:55,160 --> 00:17:57,520 Speaker 1: anything about him. Tell me one fact about Shawn Tucker. 396 00:17:57,600 --> 00:17:58,720 Speaker 2: We went to cover high school. 397 00:17:59,320 --> 00:18:02,000 Speaker 1: I find that. I mean, that's that's that's I mean 398 00:18:02,000 --> 00:18:05,160 Speaker 1: that you're cheating, you know, like you're saying, what's why, 399 00:18:05,200 --> 00:18:06,240 Speaker 1: what's college should go to? 400 00:18:06,440 --> 00:18:07,480 Speaker 2: I just focus on the high school. 401 00:18:07,760 --> 00:18:11,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's Sunday night football intros when they go through 402 00:18:11,080 --> 00:18:12,760 Speaker 3: some guys the college, some guys who the high school. 403 00:18:12,760 --> 00:18:13,800 Speaker 2: Sewan Tucker went to count. 404 00:18:13,600 --> 00:18:15,160 Speaker 1: For Hall a right, a right, I was even pross 405 00:18:15,160 --> 00:18:16,879 Speaker 1: the local kid. All right, Sean Tucker, good for you man, 406 00:18:16,960 --> 00:18:18,359 Speaker 1: But but he was Uh so he was. 407 00:18:18,680 --> 00:18:21,080 Speaker 3: But but but to your point, like, so he comes 408 00:18:21,080 --> 00:18:24,240 Speaker 3: out of nowhere last week and and is the NFC 409 00:18:24,320 --> 00:18:26,520 Speaker 3: Offensive Player of the Week. But they also have Bucky Irving, 410 00:18:26,520 --> 00:18:29,520 Speaker 3: who's a rookie this year. Really well, who's a good 411 00:18:29,600 --> 00:18:32,200 Speaker 3: running back who's been banged up lately. So we'll see 412 00:18:32,200 --> 00:18:35,159 Speaker 3: if he's able to play in this game. But like 413 00:18:36,080 --> 00:18:40,040 Speaker 3: they the running attack is not just like predicated on 414 00:18:40,040 --> 00:18:42,440 Speaker 3: one it's it's different than what the Ravens have where 415 00:18:42,440 --> 00:18:44,480 Speaker 3: it's like it's Derek Henry Lamar Jackson. Those do the 416 00:18:44,520 --> 00:18:46,439 Speaker 3: guys lead the way you know, it's a little bit 417 00:18:46,480 --> 00:18:48,399 Speaker 3: more scheme, I guess dependent in that sense. 418 00:18:48,880 --> 00:18:50,439 Speaker 2: And uh but they have good backs. 419 00:18:50,720 --> 00:18:54,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, so we saw that obviously. The key ever, 420 00:18:54,440 --> 00:18:55,760 Speaker 1: as it is every week, you want to put the 421 00:18:55,800 --> 00:18:59,400 Speaker 1: quarterback in as many third long situations. If you do, however, 422 00:18:59,840 --> 00:19:03,600 Speaker 1: you are not necessarily in the clear because you look 423 00:19:03,600 --> 00:19:07,080 Speaker 1: at the Bucks wide receivers and Baker Mayfield and the 424 00:19:07,119 --> 00:19:11,959 Speaker 1: Bucks I think legitimately have one of the top one 425 00:19:12,000 --> 00:19:14,879 Speaker 1: to two combos in the league. And Zay Flowers and 426 00:19:14,880 --> 00:19:16,640 Speaker 1: Bateman are in that conversation too with the way they've 427 00:19:16,680 --> 00:19:19,000 Speaker 1: been playing. But you know, Jamar Chase T. Higgins, like 428 00:19:19,160 --> 00:19:23,199 Speaker 1: they're in that category of combin combinations. Eagles have a 429 00:19:23,520 --> 00:19:24,520 Speaker 1: very good one out there. 430 00:19:25,720 --> 00:19:28,240 Speaker 3: But the Bucks group Bucks tandem of Edvans and Island 431 00:19:28,240 --> 00:19:29,880 Speaker 3: probably gets overlooked a little too much. 432 00:19:29,960 --> 00:19:31,879 Speaker 1: Well, Mike Evans has just been overlooked over his crew. 433 00:19:31,920 --> 00:19:33,840 Speaker 1: Do you know how many straight seasons that guy's put 434 00:19:33,920 --> 00:19:35,280 Speaker 1: up a thousand years the yards? 435 00:19:35,280 --> 00:19:38,840 Speaker 2: It's probably like eight ten there there you go, ten 436 00:19:39,280 --> 00:19:42,399 Speaker 2: year us four thousand. I mean, he's he has Hall 437 00:19:42,400 --> 00:19:44,280 Speaker 2: of Fame numbers, like he's a Hall of famer. 438 00:19:44,359 --> 00:19:46,600 Speaker 1: He absolutely should be a Hall of Fame. He's gone 439 00:19:46,640 --> 00:19:48,720 Speaker 1: over one thousand every single year's been the league. 440 00:19:48,800 --> 00:19:52,040 Speaker 3: Yep, and he just continues to do it, super seaty, 441 00:19:52,119 --> 00:19:53,200 Speaker 3: reliable in his peace section. 442 00:19:54,000 --> 00:19:56,480 Speaker 1: He's a great player, he really is. Now this year 443 00:19:56,520 --> 00:19:59,760 Speaker 1: he's on pace for under one thousand yards. That's on pace. 444 00:19:59,800 --> 00:20:01,960 Speaker 1: But like, if you think that you can get away 445 00:20:02,000 --> 00:20:04,120 Speaker 1: of sleeping on Mike Evans, like you're just wrong. Yeah, 446 00:20:04,160 --> 00:20:05,720 Speaker 1: you know, he's one of the best fifty to fifty 447 00:20:05,760 --> 00:20:08,440 Speaker 1: go up and get it guys in the league. And 448 00:20:08,480 --> 00:20:12,280 Speaker 1: he's just he's just a problem. And then oh, Chris 449 00:20:12,280 --> 00:20:14,320 Speaker 1: Godwin is playing out of his mind right now. He's 450 00:20:14,359 --> 00:20:16,720 Speaker 1: got has the third most receiving yards in the league 451 00:20:16,880 --> 00:20:21,199 Speaker 1: currently with five hundred and eleven. So they that that 452 00:20:21,359 --> 00:20:23,879 Speaker 1: is a really dangerous nay of Sterling Shepherd. They have 453 00:20:23,920 --> 00:20:26,840 Speaker 1: other guys too, like they are really dangerous a wide receiver. 454 00:20:27,440 --> 00:20:31,120 Speaker 1: Here's the thing, obviously, the Ravens pass defense has been 455 00:20:31,320 --> 00:20:34,240 Speaker 1: their weakness all season long. And you know, as this game, 456 00:20:34,560 --> 00:20:37,000 Speaker 1: as this team is on a four game winning streak, 457 00:20:37,960 --> 00:20:40,120 Speaker 1: you look at it and you say, clearly, the pass 458 00:20:40,160 --> 00:20:42,320 Speaker 1: defense is like look at all the stats, that's the 459 00:20:42,320 --> 00:20:48,119 Speaker 1: one that sticks out. Yes, it's not great that those 460 00:20:48,440 --> 00:20:51,480 Speaker 1: typical stats are I think a bit of a mirage, 461 00:20:51,840 --> 00:20:55,760 Speaker 1: as we've talked about for some reasons, being that, you know, 462 00:20:55,840 --> 00:20:58,800 Speaker 1: the quarterbacks that they've played are really really good, right 463 00:20:58,840 --> 00:21:00,919 Speaker 1: and they've gone through the going the wide receivers that 464 00:21:00,960 --> 00:21:03,639 Speaker 1: they've faced are really really good. But you take it 465 00:21:03,720 --> 00:21:07,399 Speaker 1: even more nuanced, look it, and it's really crazy. So 466 00:21:08,520 --> 00:21:13,520 Speaker 1: the Ravens are have forced the highest percentage of tight 467 00:21:13,560 --> 00:21:16,960 Speaker 1: window throws that's defined as less than one yard of 468 00:21:16,960 --> 00:21:20,840 Speaker 1: separation when the ball gets there in the NFL. The 469 00:21:20,840 --> 00:21:23,960 Speaker 1: most tight window throws in the NFL, according to the 470 00:21:24,000 --> 00:21:26,600 Speaker 1: next Gen Stats, twenty three percent of them right have 471 00:21:26,680 --> 00:21:30,359 Speaker 1: been tight throws targeted wide receivers have been opened just 472 00:21:30,480 --> 00:21:33,600 Speaker 1: forty point five percent of the time, the second lowest 473 00:21:33,640 --> 00:21:36,639 Speaker 1: mark in the league behind New York Jets. So the Ravens, 474 00:21:36,680 --> 00:21:40,600 Speaker 1: like when you look at the nuanced analytics here, are 475 00:21:40,640 --> 00:21:44,840 Speaker 1: actually covering quite well. Yet they've allowed the second most 476 00:21:45,000 --> 00:21:48,640 Speaker 1: yards per attempt in the league, right eight point one. 477 00:21:49,160 --> 00:21:53,080 Speaker 1: And so it's just it's not the math isn't adding 478 00:21:53,160 --> 00:21:55,359 Speaker 1: up here. I know you're not a math guy, but 479 00:21:55,560 --> 00:21:59,919 Speaker 1: even for you, you'd recognize this isn't adding up. And so, like, 480 00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:05,040 Speaker 1: they just haven't been winning enough of those tightly contested matchups. 481 00:22:05,720 --> 00:22:07,639 Speaker 1: The Bucks are really good at this, at winning this. 482 00:22:07,760 --> 00:22:10,800 Speaker 1: Mike Evans got wins a veteran, They're good. The Ravens 483 00:22:10,880 --> 00:22:12,119 Speaker 1: need to start winning more of this. 484 00:22:12,359 --> 00:22:15,280 Speaker 3: And part of it, I wonder, like, is there any 485 00:22:15,640 --> 00:22:17,480 Speaker 3: there is some element of luck on some of those 486 00:22:17,560 --> 00:22:18,280 Speaker 3: really tight thing. 487 00:22:18,240 --> 00:22:21,760 Speaker 1: Kyle Hamilton's explicitly said that like part of the league 488 00:22:21,880 --> 00:22:22,520 Speaker 1: is kind of luck. 489 00:22:22,600 --> 00:22:24,959 Speaker 3: Yeah, right, especially on those type throws like look at 490 00:22:24,960 --> 00:22:27,560 Speaker 3: the McLaurin play last week where Brandon the second touchdown 491 00:22:27,640 --> 00:22:31,040 Speaker 3: hundred percent, where Brandon Stevens had great coverage. Now, I 492 00:22:31,080 --> 00:22:33,359 Speaker 3: will say Terry McLaurin did talk about that touchdown and 493 00:22:33,440 --> 00:22:36,159 Speaker 3: him and Jane Daniels read that thing perfectly, and the 494 00:22:36,160 --> 00:22:37,400 Speaker 3: ball was in a perfect spot. 495 00:22:37,240 --> 00:22:39,520 Speaker 1: When Stevens cut off the slant like he played it 496 00:22:39,520 --> 00:22:41,400 Speaker 1: well he did, he recovered. 497 00:22:40,960 --> 00:22:42,840 Speaker 3: On that he was right there and he was And 498 00:22:42,840 --> 00:22:44,920 Speaker 3: then talk about tight winner. You can't get much tighter 499 00:22:44,960 --> 00:22:48,840 Speaker 3: than that. But so you would think on some of 500 00:22:48,880 --> 00:22:52,040 Speaker 3: those they're gonna fall incomplete just because the defender's right there, 501 00:22:52,160 --> 00:22:52,840 Speaker 3: just because the. 502 00:22:52,760 --> 00:22:56,200 Speaker 1: Ball is half an inch more inside, Brandon Stevens gets 503 00:22:56,200 --> 00:22:57,800 Speaker 1: a finger on it, you think. 504 00:22:57,680 --> 00:22:59,520 Speaker 3: That's gonna happen, and it just hasn't. So I do 505 00:22:59,600 --> 00:23:02,480 Speaker 3: think that could that could even out. It's kind of 506 00:23:02,480 --> 00:23:05,080 Speaker 3: like turnovers when a team gets goes through a turnover 507 00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:08,680 Speaker 3: drought or a turnover surplus, those things tend to even 508 00:23:08,680 --> 00:23:10,360 Speaker 3: out over the course of an entire stool And Kyle 509 00:23:10,400 --> 00:23:14,320 Speaker 3: Hounson's talkedic specifically about that. You know, the Ravens led 510 00:23:14,359 --> 00:23:17,040 Speaker 3: the league in takeaways last year. This year they only 511 00:23:17,040 --> 00:23:20,280 Speaker 3: have three interceptions so far. And he's like, it's. 512 00:23:20,280 --> 00:23:22,959 Speaker 1: Kind of there's a degree of luck, right, but like 513 00:23:23,119 --> 00:23:25,320 Speaker 1: it sounds bad to say, like we're getting unlucky. We 514 00:23:25,359 --> 00:23:27,440 Speaker 1: just keep getting on lucky. How many times can we 515 00:23:27,480 --> 00:23:29,880 Speaker 1: get unlucky? Like so at the end of the day, 516 00:23:29,880 --> 00:23:31,760 Speaker 1: you gotta win them, right, You gotta be like, you 517 00:23:31,800 --> 00:23:33,960 Speaker 1: got to play so well that you don't leave it 518 00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:36,159 Speaker 1: to luck, that you overcome the luck. And that's what 519 00:23:36,280 --> 00:23:37,399 Speaker 1: Kyle Holnson talked about. 520 00:23:37,720 --> 00:23:41,240 Speaker 3: I will say that I agree with that actually in 521 00:23:41,240 --> 00:23:43,200 Speaker 3: this situation a little bit more when it comes to 522 00:23:43,320 --> 00:23:45,719 Speaker 3: luck element, when it comes to the tightly contested plays, 523 00:23:46,200 --> 00:23:48,480 Speaker 3: the takeaways, the Ravens have just dropped him. Oh yeah, 524 00:23:50,080 --> 00:23:51,680 Speaker 3: that's not luck, that's just you need to catch those 525 00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:52,560 Speaker 3: interests completely. 526 00:23:52,680 --> 00:23:55,679 Speaker 1: Darius had one dooink off his face. I mean, Wiggins 527 00:23:55,800 --> 00:23:59,080 Speaker 1: dropped a couple in the same game. You know. Wiggins 528 00:23:59,560 --> 00:24:01,920 Speaker 1: specific told me that this week he's working on getting 529 00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:05,040 Speaker 1: Now this is separate from the the interceptions he dropped, 530 00:24:05,040 --> 00:24:07,480 Speaker 1: but getting his head around. Yeah, on that he's been 531 00:24:07,520 --> 00:24:12,000 Speaker 1: flagged too much for DPI. After practice on Thursday, I 532 00:24:12,040 --> 00:24:15,879 Speaker 1: specifically saw Nate Wiggins and Brandon Stevens getting in extra 533 00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:18,800 Speaker 1: reps on those sideline long throws down the sideline that 534 00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:23,040 Speaker 1: Mike Evans thrives on and getting their head around and 535 00:24:23,080 --> 00:24:25,639 Speaker 1: playing the technique, getting that technique right and practicing that. 536 00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:26,720 Speaker 1: So that was good to see. 537 00:24:26,800 --> 00:24:29,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a good point. I thought that was really 538 00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:32,399 Speaker 3: good to see that from Wiggins. Wiggins is his athleticism 539 00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:33,719 Speaker 3: jumps off the charts. I still think he's a young 540 00:24:33,760 --> 00:24:35,439 Speaker 3: corner who's just learning to play his position, is a 541 00:24:35,440 --> 00:24:37,240 Speaker 3: bit grabby right now and needs to get his head 542 00:24:37,240 --> 00:24:41,120 Speaker 3: turned around and avoid this pis. But I and if 543 00:24:41,119 --> 00:24:43,080 Speaker 3: he's out there, which I expect him to be out 544 00:24:43,080 --> 00:24:45,919 Speaker 3: there in some key situations, I would think that that 545 00:24:46,040 --> 00:24:50,000 Speaker 3: Baker with those veteran receivers targets him that the whole 546 00:24:50,040 --> 00:24:53,200 Speaker 3: go after the player. He's gonna say, that's that's a 547 00:24:53,320 --> 00:24:55,480 Speaker 3: rookie corner against Mike Evans, a ten year Hall of 548 00:24:55,520 --> 00:24:57,960 Speaker 3: Famer right there. I'm gonna go ahead and test him. 549 00:24:58,119 --> 00:25:00,040 Speaker 3: And I'm sure Wiggins feels that way too, and he 550 00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:02,800 Speaker 3: knows that that test is coming, and and I think 551 00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:03,840 Speaker 3: that he's gonna be ready for it. 552 00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:07,520 Speaker 1: The question is is this the week where the Ravens 553 00:25:08,040 --> 00:25:10,480 Speaker 1: could turn around their luck when it comes to turnovers. 554 00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:14,679 Speaker 1: Baker mayfield through three last week. We all know Baker. Okay, 555 00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:16,840 Speaker 1: Baker's a bit of a gun slinger. The Ravens have 556 00:25:16,840 --> 00:25:19,639 Speaker 1: faced them many times. Now. You get the good and 557 00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:22,280 Speaker 1: the bad with Biker, right, Like John Harball said, I 558 00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:25,280 Speaker 1: thought this is well put. He's playing bigger ball at 559 00:25:25,280 --> 00:25:27,080 Speaker 1: a very high level, but bigger ball. Like we all 560 00:25:27,119 --> 00:25:28,919 Speaker 1: know what that ball is, right, what that looks like. 561 00:25:29,040 --> 00:25:32,400 Speaker 1: There's a school backyard, schoolyard kind of element to it. Yeah, 562 00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:34,399 Speaker 1: and like he'll put the ball up for grabs a 563 00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:37,960 Speaker 1: little bit. And three interceptions last week, you know, certainly 564 00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:40,679 Speaker 1: speaks to that. But he also leads the league in 565 00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:43,800 Speaker 1: touchdown passes so far this year with fifteen. So you know, 566 00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:47,360 Speaker 1: is this a week where maybe the Ravens can get 567 00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:48,360 Speaker 1: their hands on the football. 568 00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:49,920 Speaker 2: Well, they need to do more than get their hands 569 00:25:49,920 --> 00:25:50,399 Speaker 2: on the football. 570 00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:52,639 Speaker 3: They attach their hands on it and then hold it 571 00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:56,280 Speaker 3: bring it into the est. That's correct, Like, that's correct? 572 00:25:56,320 --> 00:25:59,199 Speaker 3: So yes, I think that they can, But I I 573 00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:00,280 Speaker 3: mean they go to play. 574 00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:03,120 Speaker 2: You gotta make the play. Yeah, And are they gonna 575 00:26:03,119 --> 00:26:03,800 Speaker 2: do that we'll see. 576 00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:06,440 Speaker 3: I don't know, but they're gonna have to because that 577 00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:08,920 Speaker 3: is a type of thing that I think can change 578 00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:09,399 Speaker 3: this game. 579 00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:11,320 Speaker 2: I mean, you going, it's another. 580 00:26:11,119 --> 00:26:14,240 Speaker 3: High you look at especially it's really all year. But like, man, 581 00:26:14,280 --> 00:26:17,760 Speaker 3: the Ravens have faced some potent offenses these last three games, 582 00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:21,480 Speaker 3: even going back for other than that, like to go 583 00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:27,160 Speaker 3: from Cincinnati, Washington now Tampa. Those are explosive offenses, and 584 00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:32,640 Speaker 3: I think that if the Raves can get a turnover 585 00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:36,200 Speaker 3: or two, that could be all that this offense needs. 586 00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:39,080 Speaker 3: Because this offense is so good they can run clock, 587 00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:41,359 Speaker 3: especially in the second half of games, that if you 588 00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:43,240 Speaker 3: give them an extra possession, if you give them two 589 00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:46,280 Speaker 3: extra possessions, that's probably enough for the Ravens to win 590 00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:46,600 Speaker 3: this game. 591 00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:48,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, that would be really big for this Ravens team. 592 00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:52,399 Speaker 1: And hey, this is another primetime game for the Ravens. 593 00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:55,480 Speaker 1: They've played well on primetime on the road, Like this 594 00:26:55,520 --> 00:26:57,359 Speaker 1: is the kind of environment where we see oftentimes the 595 00:26:57,440 --> 00:27:01,720 Speaker 1: Ravens really step up and thrive And very much looking 596 00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:02,560 Speaker 1: forward to this game. 597 00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:03,359 Speaker 2: I'll give you the number. 598 00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:04,439 Speaker 1: I'll give you ahead, give it to me. 599 00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:09,160 Speaker 3: Forty and eighteen overall record in primetime games under John 600 00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:12,919 Speaker 3: Harbordy and that's the best mark in the NFL in 601 00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:15,879 Speaker 3: primetime contests in that time, So twenty two to one, Lamar, 602 00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:18,560 Speaker 3: do you have forty and eighteen in prime time? 603 00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:20,680 Speaker 1: Do you have specifically the Monday night numbers? 604 00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:23,040 Speaker 2: I don't have the money. I have prime time, but 605 00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:26,440 Speaker 2: the prime time but prime time they're the best of 606 00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:26,879 Speaker 2: the league. 607 00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:29,800 Speaker 1: And this is prime time Monday Night? Is that prime time? Y? 608 00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:33,720 Speaker 1: So this is gonna be a fun game. Ravens fans, 609 00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:35,919 Speaker 1: make sure you're tuned in and enjoy this one. I'm 610 00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:37,439 Speaker 1: sure it's gonna be I bet we're gonna have a 611 00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:40,600 Speaker 1: bunch of fans yeah in that stadium too. It's gonna 612 00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:43,919 Speaker 1: be very fun and they're gonna get to see the big, 613 00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:48,400 Speaker 1: big Monday Night fin