1 00:00:04,360 --> 00:00:08,160 Speaker 1: On this episode of Newtsworld. The social media app Parlor 2 00:00:08,640 --> 00:00:12,080 Speaker 1: was really starting to gain traction when, after the events 3 00:00:12,080 --> 00:00:15,920 Speaker 1: of January sixth, it was abruptly removed from the Apple 4 00:00:15,920 --> 00:00:19,560 Speaker 1: App Store, Google and Amazon Web Services, who refused to 5 00:00:19,600 --> 00:00:23,080 Speaker 1: host the side any longer. Then Parlor had to rebuild 6 00:00:23,120 --> 00:00:27,560 Speaker 1: their entire platform to deal with big tech censorship. It 7 00:00:27,680 --> 00:00:30,480 Speaker 1: has been a month long process and they now have 8 00:00:30,560 --> 00:00:34,240 Speaker 1: a new CEO of Parlor. His name is George Farmer 9 00:00:34,640 --> 00:00:37,240 Speaker 1: and he's the son of a Conservative member of the 10 00:00:37,320 --> 00:00:40,280 Speaker 1: House of Lords in the United Kingdom. He is a 11 00:00:40,440 --> 00:00:43,480 Speaker 1: well known UK Conservative in his own right and he's 12 00:00:43,560 --> 00:00:47,400 Speaker 1: married to Candas Owens. Now he's leading Parlor to an 13 00:00:47,479 --> 00:00:53,240 Speaker 1: extraordinary comeback. I'm very pleased to welcome my guest, George Farmer, 14 00:00:53,640 --> 00:01:08,679 Speaker 1: CEO of Parlor. George, thanks for joining me. I'm very 15 00:01:08,720 --> 00:01:12,440 Speaker 1: curious what was your background the guy you involved in 16 00:01:12,560 --> 00:01:15,520 Speaker 1: doing this well, thanks very much for having me Ned. 17 00:01:15,560 --> 00:01:17,400 Speaker 1: It's a pleasure to be here and an honor to 18 00:01:17,440 --> 00:01:19,560 Speaker 1: speak to someone such as yourself with a very long, 19 00:01:19,680 --> 00:01:24,119 Speaker 1: distinguished career and conservative politics across the side of the pond. 20 00:01:24,800 --> 00:01:28,520 Speaker 1: My background really began, I guess you know, when I 21 00:01:28,640 --> 00:01:32,680 Speaker 1: left university and I started work in finance, and that 22 00:01:32,840 --> 00:01:36,720 Speaker 1: was about a dozen years ago now, and I began 23 00:01:36,800 --> 00:01:39,880 Speaker 1: my career in investment banking. And then after that I 24 00:01:40,360 --> 00:01:43,280 Speaker 1: moved within the financial world into the hedge fund sphere 25 00:01:44,080 --> 00:01:47,880 Speaker 1: and took over as partner at the hedge fund red Kite, 26 00:01:47,960 --> 00:01:50,080 Speaker 1: where my father started out in two thousand and five. 27 00:01:50,200 --> 00:01:53,120 Speaker 1: He and I ran it together for a few years. 28 00:01:53,360 --> 00:01:56,200 Speaker 1: I was a trader on the desk there. We had 29 00:01:56,240 --> 00:01:59,640 Speaker 1: some serious firepower. I would send the commodities markets, which 30 00:01:59,720 --> 00:02:02,440 Speaker 1: was our main area of investment. I think at one 31 00:02:02,480 --> 00:02:05,240 Speaker 1: point we were the largest commodities fund in the world. 32 00:02:05,920 --> 00:02:08,239 Speaker 1: And at the same time he and I grew I 33 00:02:08,760 --> 00:02:12,840 Speaker 1: would say, our private investing operation, where we were really 34 00:02:12,919 --> 00:02:15,320 Speaker 1: doing our own sort of form of venture capital financing, 35 00:02:15,400 --> 00:02:17,440 Speaker 1: and we still do that to this day, and we 36 00:02:17,520 --> 00:02:20,519 Speaker 1: have about a dozen companies that we are involved in 37 00:02:20,639 --> 00:02:24,760 Speaker 1: quite actively. And then I really began my migration into 38 00:02:24,880 --> 00:02:27,400 Speaker 1: kind of the US political world. I would say when 39 00:02:28,040 --> 00:02:30,200 Speaker 1: obviously my life took a turn for the vessel when 40 00:02:30,240 --> 00:02:33,799 Speaker 1: I met my now wife, Canvas, and the logic really 41 00:02:33,840 --> 00:02:36,120 Speaker 1: behind Parlor, I guess was that it was a combination 42 00:02:36,480 --> 00:02:41,799 Speaker 1: of my previous financial career and this new political world 43 00:02:41,919 --> 00:02:45,840 Speaker 1: in which I was immersing myself more so, we thought 44 00:02:46,000 --> 00:02:48,720 Speaker 1: at the time, you know, when Parlor was taken down 45 00:02:48,800 --> 00:02:52,359 Speaker 1: in January, that it would be a good use of 46 00:02:52,480 --> 00:02:56,639 Speaker 1: service to offer what skills I had to the shareholders 47 00:02:56,680 --> 00:02:59,960 Speaker 1: of Parlor, And there's got a lot of enthusiasm from 48 00:03:00,080 --> 00:03:02,000 Speaker 1: so I would say for me to come and help. 49 00:03:02,320 --> 00:03:05,880 Speaker 1: And so I stepped in as acting CEO at the 50 00:03:05,960 --> 00:03:08,639 Speaker 1: beginning of March, and then over the course of the 51 00:03:08,720 --> 00:03:12,640 Speaker 1: next couple of months, you know, that role transmogrified, if 52 00:03:12,680 --> 00:03:16,200 Speaker 1: you like, into a sort of bigger role, and Mark Meckler, 53 00:03:16,240 --> 00:03:19,720 Speaker 1: who was intim CEO at the time, returned to running 54 00:03:19,760 --> 00:03:23,120 Speaker 1: Convention of States, which was obviously a big passionate his 55 00:03:23,800 --> 00:03:27,200 Speaker 1: and I took over as running of CEO in mid May. 56 00:03:27,720 --> 00:03:29,839 Speaker 1: So really it was seen as this kind of logical fit, 57 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:33,320 Speaker 1: I would say, between the world that I had learned 58 00:03:33,440 --> 00:03:35,840 Speaker 1: very well, which was the financial the operating world, the 59 00:03:35,920 --> 00:03:40,200 Speaker 1: company's world, the business environment in New York London, and 60 00:03:40,600 --> 00:03:43,000 Speaker 1: really the political world that I was becoming more and 61 00:03:43,120 --> 00:03:44,760 Speaker 1: more involved in. So that's sort of the where the 62 00:03:44,800 --> 00:03:48,880 Speaker 1: background by guests came from. I think from a corporate standpoint, 63 00:03:49,680 --> 00:03:53,840 Speaker 1: the weekend in January must have been just staggering. I mean, 64 00:03:53,880 --> 00:03:58,080 Speaker 1: a Friday morning, Apple sends a letter saying that the 65 00:03:58,160 --> 00:04:01,400 Speaker 1: platform had twenty four hours to come up with effective 66 00:04:01,480 --> 00:04:05,280 Speaker 1: moderation measures. The very same day, Google announced it had 67 00:04:05,360 --> 00:04:08,680 Speaker 1: removed Parlor from as Google Play Store without giving Parlor 68 00:04:08,760 --> 00:04:12,400 Speaker 1: any option. Then, on Saturday, January ninth, Apple and formed 69 00:04:12,440 --> 00:04:15,800 Speaker 1: Parlor it had failed to take adequate measures and removed 70 00:04:15,840 --> 00:04:18,440 Speaker 1: the app from the App Store, but they could still 71 00:04:18,560 --> 00:04:21,320 Speaker 1: use it if they'd already downloaded it. Then on Sunday, 72 00:04:21,320 --> 00:04:25,400 Speaker 1: Amazon announced its Amazon Web Services would boot Parlor from 73 00:04:25,440 --> 00:04:29,200 Speaker 1: its servers at eleven fifty nine PM. I mean the 74 00:04:29,400 --> 00:04:34,200 Speaker 1: speed with which these three giants moved against Parlor as 75 00:04:34,240 --> 00:04:37,400 Speaker 1: a unit, I mean it's like a mugging. What was 76 00:04:37,480 --> 00:04:40,560 Speaker 1: the reaction to the people who were actively involved on 77 00:04:40,680 --> 00:04:44,920 Speaker 1: Parlor side. That was a very neat synopsis you just gave, 78 00:04:45,040 --> 00:04:47,400 Speaker 1: and I think what that demonstrates, and what you just 79 00:04:47,560 --> 00:04:52,720 Speaker 1: said is that this was a total takedown effort, and 80 00:04:53,640 --> 00:04:57,839 Speaker 1: anyone who was watching at the time was rightly terrified 81 00:04:58,040 --> 00:05:03,000 Speaker 1: and outraged. I mean terrified because you suddenly saw the 82 00:05:03,160 --> 00:05:07,200 Speaker 1: immense power of big tech wielded in a way which 83 00:05:07,240 --> 00:05:10,279 Speaker 1: had never been wielded before you saw, in the space 84 00:05:10,360 --> 00:05:13,160 Speaker 1: of a week a sitting president of the United States 85 00:05:13,200 --> 00:05:17,320 Speaker 1: of America, the leader of the free world, taken off 86 00:05:17,600 --> 00:05:21,839 Speaker 1: social media, and you saw an alternative platform which hoped 87 00:05:22,000 --> 00:05:24,560 Speaker 1: to give voice to people who didn't find their voice 88 00:05:24,680 --> 00:05:30,440 Speaker 1: on the mainstream channels, removed from all platforms, applications, and 89 00:05:30,600 --> 00:05:36,600 Speaker 1: availability to the general public. That moving so swiftly against 90 00:05:36,800 --> 00:05:41,120 Speaker 1: an opponent, opponents in both the political sphere and opponents 91 00:05:41,200 --> 00:05:45,360 Speaker 1: in the corporate sphere, demonstrates the terrifying power that big 92 00:05:45,440 --> 00:05:47,320 Speaker 1: tech hags. And there was a lot of commentary after 93 00:05:47,400 --> 00:05:50,400 Speaker 1: that saying it was a stunning move of power. But 94 00:05:50,600 --> 00:05:54,799 Speaker 1: you know, these things have repercussions far beyond the immediate 95 00:05:55,240 --> 00:05:57,520 Speaker 1: and what we've seen in the aftermath of that, of course, 96 00:05:57,960 --> 00:06:02,360 Speaker 1: is this incredible revealing of the hand, if you like, 97 00:06:02,640 --> 00:06:05,320 Speaker 1: from big Tech. They played their hand very early. They 98 00:06:05,400 --> 00:06:07,400 Speaker 1: played a strong hand, but they played it very early, 99 00:06:07,960 --> 00:06:10,240 Speaker 1: and this has now clearly put them on the side 100 00:06:10,880 --> 00:06:14,719 Speaker 1: of people who are in favor of censorship. And of course, 101 00:06:14,839 --> 00:06:17,159 Speaker 1: the danger with censorship, and this is where the left 102 00:06:17,920 --> 00:06:21,160 Speaker 1: eventually eats itself, is that you eventually have to censor 103 00:06:21,240 --> 00:06:25,280 Speaker 1: everybody because you have to shut down all differences of opinion. 104 00:06:25,320 --> 00:06:29,120 Speaker 1: You only are allowed one uniform opinion. And so with 105 00:06:29,440 --> 00:06:33,040 Speaker 1: what big Tech has done is they've tied themselves to 106 00:06:33,120 --> 00:06:36,400 Speaker 1: that narrative of censorship, and of course now you're finding 107 00:06:36,480 --> 00:06:39,239 Speaker 1: that more and more and more people have to be censored. 108 00:06:39,320 --> 00:06:42,760 Speaker 1: I mean you saw earlier this year Naomi Wolf, former 109 00:06:42,800 --> 00:06:46,440 Speaker 1: advisor to the Clinton presidency, she was removed the platform 110 00:06:46,560 --> 00:06:49,159 Speaker 1: from Twitter because of her views on the vaccine. You've 111 00:06:49,200 --> 00:06:52,880 Speaker 1: seen figures on the left and the right being censored 112 00:06:52,920 --> 00:06:57,279 Speaker 1: and taken down, and so Parla has suddenly come full 113 00:06:57,360 --> 00:06:59,920 Speaker 1: circle and people are now saying, well, actually, this is 114 00:07:00,040 --> 00:07:03,440 Speaker 1: platform I want to use because we are the platform 115 00:07:03,520 --> 00:07:06,400 Speaker 1: that stands free speech. We are the platform that has 116 00:07:06,400 --> 00:07:08,480 Speaker 1: allowed people that free expression that they don't get on 117 00:07:08,560 --> 00:07:11,640 Speaker 1: other platforms. So that's really kind of where we found 118 00:07:11,720 --> 00:07:15,480 Speaker 1: ourselves and as that unique selling proposition we've go underwork. 119 00:07:16,080 --> 00:07:19,440 Speaker 1: It has. Yeah, our engagement is going up big time 120 00:07:19,960 --> 00:07:23,440 Speaker 1: and people want to come back onto the platform. We've 121 00:07:23,600 --> 00:07:27,680 Speaker 1: not exactly picked the best time to kind of try 122 00:07:27,720 --> 00:07:30,040 Speaker 1: and re emerge into the national conversation. You know, it's 123 00:07:30,080 --> 00:07:33,240 Speaker 1: twenty twenty one, it's an off cycle election year, it's 124 00:07:33,280 --> 00:07:35,280 Speaker 1: the middle of the summer, you know, people are away 125 00:07:35,320 --> 00:07:38,240 Speaker 1: on vacation, so you know, it's been a slow period 126 00:07:39,040 --> 00:07:42,240 Speaker 1: for news as a whole. You know, what's interesting is 127 00:07:42,280 --> 00:07:45,000 Speaker 1: in the last few weeks, for example, with Afghanistan obviously 128 00:07:45,080 --> 00:07:47,520 Speaker 1: being a headline which is grabbing a lot of the conversation. 129 00:07:48,520 --> 00:07:50,720 Speaker 1: You know, we've seen quite a lot of engagement take 130 00:07:50,800 --> 00:07:53,000 Speaker 1: up on our platform as people come to parlor to 131 00:07:53,040 --> 00:07:57,040 Speaker 1: express themselves. That engagement has started to cycle up, and 132 00:07:57,160 --> 00:07:59,800 Speaker 1: you know, we fully expect ourselves to be ticking up 133 00:08:00,080 --> 00:08:03,480 Speaker 1: into Q three, into Q four and then of course 134 00:08:03,800 --> 00:08:07,200 Speaker 1: into the midtime cycle next year when censorship I'm sure 135 00:08:07,280 --> 00:08:24,160 Speaker 1: we'll be hot on the agenda again. How much are 136 00:08:24,200 --> 00:08:29,600 Speaker 1: you concerned that, even with the systems engineering you've done 137 00:08:30,400 --> 00:08:33,640 Speaker 1: to get around the big companies, that in the end, 138 00:08:34,440 --> 00:08:38,320 Speaker 1: Google is so dominant that if they wanted to knock 139 00:08:38,400 --> 00:08:42,520 Speaker 1: you out they could. Well that's a great question. How 140 00:08:42,640 --> 00:08:46,520 Speaker 1: much are we reliant in our daily lives upon the 141 00:08:46,720 --> 00:08:52,360 Speaker 1: dual headed chimera of Apple and Google? And I asked 142 00:08:52,400 --> 00:08:54,000 Speaker 1: this question to quite a lot of people, and I 143 00:08:54,080 --> 00:08:58,079 Speaker 1: always ask them, please name me an operating system for 144 00:08:58,200 --> 00:09:01,560 Speaker 1: your phone which is not controlled by Apple or Google. 145 00:09:02,160 --> 00:09:04,680 Speaker 1: And variously people can answer that question, because most people 146 00:09:05,200 --> 00:09:08,240 Speaker 1: don't know the answer, and they don't know of an 147 00:09:08,280 --> 00:09:12,240 Speaker 1: operating system outside of those two. Most of the systems 148 00:09:12,280 --> 00:09:15,200 Speaker 1: that we utilize, whether it's on Apple, whether it's on Google, 149 00:09:15,760 --> 00:09:18,800 Speaker 1: or whether it's on your laptop, your phone, your iPad, 150 00:09:18,880 --> 00:09:22,920 Speaker 1: whatever it might be, they're all predominantly using back end 151 00:09:23,120 --> 00:09:27,000 Speaker 1: infrastructure which is controlled at some point by one of 152 00:09:27,040 --> 00:09:29,959 Speaker 1: the big tech giants. Now, what we've had to do, 153 00:09:30,920 --> 00:09:34,880 Speaker 1: and this is part of the incredible rebuild we've been undertaking, 154 00:09:34,960 --> 00:09:38,240 Speaker 1: but also the blood, sweat and tears that we've poured 155 00:09:38,280 --> 00:09:42,880 Speaker 1: into this, is that we've had to build vast amounts 156 00:09:42,920 --> 00:09:48,360 Speaker 1: of the infrastructure ourselves without the support or diagnostics capabilities 157 00:09:48,840 --> 00:09:52,520 Speaker 1: or infrastructure assistance that comes with some of the big 158 00:09:52,640 --> 00:09:55,679 Speaker 1: services that are provided by the tech giants. And that 159 00:09:55,800 --> 00:09:57,839 Speaker 1: just takes a long time. You know, that takes a 160 00:09:57,920 --> 00:10:00,640 Speaker 1: lot of work. And so what we been doing in 161 00:10:00,720 --> 00:10:05,120 Speaker 1: these last few months, really since January's rebuilding and rebuilding 162 00:10:05,160 --> 00:10:09,600 Speaker 1: without the service provision of say Google. Now, the other area, 163 00:10:09,720 --> 00:10:13,400 Speaker 1: of course is the control of the app stores, and 164 00:10:13,720 --> 00:10:17,439 Speaker 1: Google controls the Google Play Store and Apple controls the 165 00:10:17,440 --> 00:10:21,719 Speaker 1: Apple App Store. Now, your question about you know, to 166 00:10:21,840 --> 00:10:24,520 Speaker 1: what extent is Google going to take us out? Well, 167 00:10:25,800 --> 00:10:28,560 Speaker 1: the area that Google still has a lot of control 168 00:10:28,679 --> 00:10:32,680 Speaker 1: is the Google playstool. But Google Play, unlike Apple App, 169 00:10:33,679 --> 00:10:38,480 Speaker 1: is slightly different. You can bypass the Google playstore by 170 00:10:38,559 --> 00:10:42,079 Speaker 1: creating an Android fork, which is what we have done, right, 171 00:10:42,559 --> 00:10:45,360 Speaker 1: So we have tried to remove ourselves from as much 172 00:10:46,520 --> 00:10:50,160 Speaker 1: sort of power of judgment, if you like, from Google Apple. 173 00:10:50,200 --> 00:10:52,640 Speaker 1: There's a different creature to Google. They have a different 174 00:10:52,880 --> 00:10:55,959 Speaker 1: perspective on user privacy, they have a different perspective on 175 00:10:56,679 --> 00:11:00,480 Speaker 1: allowing freedom of expression. There's more discussion in company, I 176 00:11:00,520 --> 00:11:04,120 Speaker 1: would say, more kind of creative thinking, whereas Google has 177 00:11:04,160 --> 00:11:08,240 Speaker 1: been quite universal in their dislike of Parlor, and you know, 178 00:11:08,360 --> 00:11:12,599 Speaker 1: we don't really have much active engagement with him, I 179 00:11:12,640 --> 00:11:15,400 Speaker 1: would say, So we've tried to bypass them as much 180 00:11:15,400 --> 00:11:19,240 Speaker 1: as we can. But if Parlor is simply an open 181 00:11:19,400 --> 00:11:23,880 Speaker 1: system that people can come and have opinions, why would 182 00:11:23,960 --> 00:11:28,240 Speaker 1: the Google culture be so hostile? Well, I think the 183 00:11:28,320 --> 00:11:31,599 Speaker 1: answer to that is why does woke corporatism not like 184 00:11:32,000 --> 00:11:36,000 Speaker 1: dissension of opinions? And the answer is because differing opinions 185 00:11:36,400 --> 00:11:42,320 Speaker 1: challenge the uniform way of thinking, and in this particular instance, 186 00:11:42,679 --> 00:11:47,079 Speaker 1: absolute power corrupts absolutely, as the old expression goes, and 187 00:11:48,120 --> 00:11:52,559 Speaker 1: we've reached a stage now where Google and Apple have 188 00:11:53,280 --> 00:11:55,920 Speaker 1: an awful lot of power, and so anybody who challenges 189 00:11:56,640 --> 00:12:00,439 Speaker 1: that kind of narrative is not well liked. Let like that. 190 00:12:01,160 --> 00:12:05,320 Speaker 1: And we're definitely challenging that narrative because we definitely provide 191 00:12:05,360 --> 00:12:08,160 Speaker 1: a forum where people can come and speak freely, and 192 00:12:08,400 --> 00:12:10,520 Speaker 1: you know, nobody likes to have part taken away for them. 193 00:12:11,080 --> 00:12:13,240 Speaker 1: So I think that they view that as a threat, 194 00:12:13,559 --> 00:12:15,640 Speaker 1: and they definitely viewed as a threat. On social media, 195 00:12:15,720 --> 00:12:17,840 Speaker 1: where we have quite a lot of reach, it's as 196 00:12:17,920 --> 00:12:20,880 Speaker 1: difficult as Apple and Google are. Twitter is sort of 197 00:12:20,920 --> 00:12:25,800 Speaker 1: an outlier in being egregiously offensive. I mean, I thought 198 00:12:25,880 --> 00:12:30,400 Speaker 1: when they first blocked the New York Post, the oldest 199 00:12:30,440 --> 00:12:33,880 Speaker 1: newspaper in the US and the fourth largest, several weeks 200 00:12:33,960 --> 00:12:37,640 Speaker 1: before the election, that that was an astonishing act. And 201 00:12:37,800 --> 00:12:41,679 Speaker 1: then when they arrogated that they had the authority to 202 00:12:42,480 --> 00:12:46,360 Speaker 1: cut off a president who got seventy four million votes 203 00:12:46,360 --> 00:12:49,720 Speaker 1: in an election and had eighty eight point nine million 204 00:12:50,240 --> 00:12:57,320 Speaker 1: Twitter followers and Twitter I noticed today as Zebu Huda Mujahid, 205 00:12:57,800 --> 00:13:02,280 Speaker 1: who is the Taliban spokes person, is still active on 206 00:13:02,360 --> 00:13:05,640 Speaker 1: Twitter with over three hundred thousand followers. Now, what kind 207 00:13:05,679 --> 00:13:10,040 Speaker 1: of ration now would say that the Taliban spokesperson a 208 00:13:10,160 --> 00:13:14,720 Speaker 1: group which is anti gay, anti woman, the grades children 209 00:13:15,240 --> 00:13:19,200 Speaker 1: totally as opposed to democracy and free speech. I mean, 210 00:13:19,400 --> 00:13:22,439 Speaker 1: the Taliban would kill most of the people in Silicon Valley. 211 00:13:22,920 --> 00:13:27,640 Speaker 1: I wonder what circumstance does the Twitter thing that Zeboul 212 00:13:28,840 --> 00:13:32,440 Speaker 1: is okay, but Donald Trump is a real problem. I mean, 213 00:13:32,520 --> 00:13:34,320 Speaker 1: if you look at that, you think to yourself, are 214 00:13:34,400 --> 00:13:38,040 Speaker 1: these people just insane? Yeah? I mean, look, it's a 215 00:13:38,120 --> 00:13:40,880 Speaker 1: really great question. I had the pleasure of speaking to 216 00:13:41,000 --> 00:13:42,840 Speaker 1: Murray about the rama a lot this the other day, 217 00:13:43,000 --> 00:13:47,000 Speaker 1: and she asked me the same question, and I said, 218 00:13:47,080 --> 00:13:50,240 Speaker 1: you know, for me, this is a great example of 219 00:13:50,280 --> 00:13:55,040 Speaker 1: the lunacy which occupies the heads of Silicon Valley tech overlords. 220 00:13:55,520 --> 00:14:00,520 Speaker 1: President of Iran, a man whose Revolutionary God has long 221 00:14:00,600 --> 00:14:04,040 Speaker 1: been designated an international terrorist group by the majority of 222 00:14:04,120 --> 00:14:07,360 Speaker 1: the Western world. The Revolutionary Guard is definitely controlled by 223 00:14:07,360 --> 00:14:09,920 Speaker 1: the President of Iran. The President of Iran has a 224 00:14:10,120 --> 00:14:14,360 Speaker 1: vitriolic anti Semitic tone. The whole Iranian presidency is almost 225 00:14:14,400 --> 00:14:16,920 Speaker 1: defined by that. I would say, and yet, what do 226 00:14:17,000 --> 00:14:21,560 Speaker 1: you have President of Iran on Twitter? No censorship, no problems, 227 00:14:22,040 --> 00:14:25,880 Speaker 1: carry on as if it's normal. But heaven forbid donald 228 00:14:25,960 --> 00:14:29,520 Speaker 1: Trump has a voice on social media. I mean it 229 00:14:29,720 --> 00:14:35,160 Speaker 1: displays the complete nat lunacy of the censorship criteria which 230 00:14:35,480 --> 00:14:38,920 Speaker 1: they employ. And this is part of the nonsense of 231 00:14:39,400 --> 00:14:42,560 Speaker 1: Silicon Valley. This is part of the gas lighting of 232 00:14:42,720 --> 00:14:46,520 Speaker 1: Silicon Valley. They convince you that what they're doing is 233 00:14:46,840 --> 00:14:49,040 Speaker 1: for the benefit of humanity. Well, you know, we have 234 00:14:49,200 --> 00:14:51,360 Speaker 1: to be respectful of other people's points of views. And 235 00:14:51,480 --> 00:14:54,600 Speaker 1: you know, Donald Trump is actively inciting violence and hatred 236 00:14:54,680 --> 00:14:57,120 Speaker 1: because of what he said on January the sixth, you know, 237 00:14:57,160 --> 00:15:01,320 Speaker 1: even though that was debunked numerous times. And we have 238 00:15:01,440 --> 00:15:03,840 Speaker 1: to be very careful about what people wearing maga hats 239 00:15:03,920 --> 00:15:06,840 Speaker 1: put on Twitter because it could incite hatred in America. 240 00:15:07,280 --> 00:15:10,720 Speaker 1: But should anyone ever look at further afield than these shores, 241 00:15:11,160 --> 00:15:14,040 Speaker 1: and you suddenly see, we'll hang on a sec You've 242 00:15:14,120 --> 00:15:18,520 Speaker 1: got Boco harm with active Twitter participation, the presidents of 243 00:15:18,600 --> 00:15:20,880 Speaker 1: Iran talking about how he wants to wipe Israel off 244 00:15:20,960 --> 00:15:24,000 Speaker 1: the map. You've got the Taliban, You've got the Chinese 245 00:15:24,040 --> 00:15:27,600 Speaker 1: Communist Party with active Twitter accounts. You know, the list 246 00:15:27,720 --> 00:15:30,640 Speaker 1: goes on the list grows ever more absurd, and you know, 247 00:15:30,720 --> 00:15:33,480 Speaker 1: I mean we all, by the way bringing it much 248 00:15:33,520 --> 00:15:36,600 Speaker 1: closer to home. I'm sure you have. And I know 249 00:15:36,680 --> 00:15:41,560 Speaker 1: for a fact that my wife has received outrageous comments 250 00:15:41,640 --> 00:15:45,600 Speaker 1: and hatred across Twitter, which is never censored, which has 251 00:15:45,640 --> 00:15:49,760 Speaker 1: never controlled, which has never shut down. Yet conservatives with 252 00:15:49,960 --> 00:15:55,920 Speaker 1: viewpoints of social conservatism or speaking about the necessary rights 253 00:15:55,960 --> 00:15:59,040 Speaker 1: that America should have for freedom of speech are somehow 254 00:15:59,280 --> 00:16:02,440 Speaker 1: labeled as well individuals. This is the nonsense, And as 255 00:16:02,480 --> 00:16:04,360 Speaker 1: I say, it goes back to this kind of gaslighting 256 00:16:04,400 --> 00:16:06,440 Speaker 1: that they're trying to do of the entire American people. 257 00:16:07,040 --> 00:16:11,960 Speaker 1: It's despicable. I would say, it's almost like you could 258 00:16:12,000 --> 00:16:19,160 Speaker 1: pull together all of the truly destructive, vicious people who 259 00:16:19,240 --> 00:16:23,400 Speaker 1: are allowed on Twitter and really have sort of a 260 00:16:23,520 --> 00:16:29,960 Speaker 1: circus of horrors. How can Twitter's board tolerate this kind 261 00:16:30,040 --> 00:16:33,240 Speaker 1: of behavior? And at what point does the Congress start 262 00:16:33,280 --> 00:16:37,360 Speaker 1: to act because we're basically opening up communications in America 263 00:16:37,880 --> 00:16:40,760 Speaker 1: for people who hate us. Again, I think very few 264 00:16:40,920 --> 00:16:45,760 Speaker 1: women's advocates and very few gay rights advocates have any 265 00:16:45,960 --> 00:16:51,240 Speaker 1: sensitivity to what the Taliban really stands for, or they'd 266 00:16:51,280 --> 00:16:55,760 Speaker 1: be horrified that their spokesperson is allowed to be on 267 00:16:55,880 --> 00:16:59,000 Speaker 1: Twitter and as part of this whole one sided view 268 00:16:59,080 --> 00:17:02,000 Speaker 1: on the left, which is that conservatives in America are 269 00:17:02,120 --> 00:17:06,720 Speaker 1: really dangerous, but savages in Afghanistan are okay, or savages 270 00:17:06,760 --> 00:17:25,919 Speaker 1: and Somalia or you name it now you also mentioned 271 00:17:25,920 --> 00:17:30,040 Speaker 1: in passing January sixth, I was fascinated that the FBI 272 00:17:30,240 --> 00:17:33,000 Speaker 1: released a report and I don't quite know what their 273 00:17:33,080 --> 00:17:36,360 Speaker 1: reasoning was because there, as we all now know, they're 274 00:17:36,400 --> 00:17:40,160 Speaker 1: a remarkably political organization, which by the way, they always were. 275 00:17:40,600 --> 00:17:43,840 Speaker 1: There's no question that under j grew HOUVER from their 276 00:17:43,960 --> 00:17:46,959 Speaker 1: very beginning in the nineteen twenties. They've always had one 277 00:17:47,040 --> 00:17:50,600 Speaker 1: eye on politics, which kept their funding up. But one 278 00:17:50,640 --> 00:17:54,720 Speaker 1: of the Asians explained to the news media that of 279 00:17:54,720 --> 00:17:57,159 Speaker 1: the cases that they're looking at for January sixth, or 280 00:17:57,240 --> 00:18:03,080 Speaker 1: just one off cases, you know, somebody committed trespass, which 281 00:18:03,240 --> 00:18:05,000 Speaker 1: is by the way, a misdemeanor and not a felony. 282 00:18:05,400 --> 00:18:08,240 Speaker 1: But they didn't do it in coordination with anybody else. 283 00:18:08,680 --> 00:18:12,159 Speaker 1: They were just stupid. They say clearly that there was 284 00:18:12,280 --> 00:18:16,160 Speaker 1: no grand scheme, there was no serious effort to take hostages, 285 00:18:16,480 --> 00:18:19,159 Speaker 1: that it was not an insurrection of any kind. I 286 00:18:19,240 --> 00:18:21,920 Speaker 1: mean to what extent. Do you think that parlor is 287 00:18:21,960 --> 00:18:26,000 Speaker 1: owed an apology for the grotesque over a reaction to 288 00:18:26,119 --> 00:18:29,800 Speaker 1: your willingness to be open to conversation back on January 289 00:18:29,920 --> 00:18:32,439 Speaker 1: sixth and seventh. Yeah, I wrote this in and Offend 290 00:18:32,480 --> 00:18:36,160 Speaker 1: the other day that we are an apology by Cheryl Sandberg, 291 00:18:36,560 --> 00:18:39,960 Speaker 1: the CEO of Facebook, and I think it's absolutely outrageous. 292 00:18:40,000 --> 00:18:43,040 Speaker 1: I mean, the whole nonsense. I mean, again, you know, 293 00:18:43,840 --> 00:18:46,159 Speaker 1: a part of a great gaslighting once again. And this 294 00:18:46,280 --> 00:18:48,159 Speaker 1: is what the left is good at. It's good at 295 00:18:48,240 --> 00:18:51,680 Speaker 1: convincing you that something you're not quite sure about is 296 00:18:51,880 --> 00:18:54,720 Speaker 1: very much should be interpreted this way, and actually the 297 00:18:54,800 --> 00:18:58,399 Speaker 1: reality is completely opposite. We all saw the videos of 298 00:18:58,800 --> 00:19:03,400 Speaker 1: Januel the sixth. We saw videos of police lining their 299 00:19:03,560 --> 00:19:10,520 Speaker 1: steps of the Capitol, opening doors, muddled, confused protesters wearing 300 00:19:10,640 --> 00:19:14,919 Speaker 1: Maga kid walking into the building, having a stroll around, 301 00:19:15,119 --> 00:19:19,240 Speaker 1: putting their feet up on Nancy Pelosi's desk, carrying off lecterns. 302 00:19:19,359 --> 00:19:23,040 Speaker 1: I mean, general idiocy is what I would say. It appeared, 303 00:19:23,080 --> 00:19:26,119 Speaker 1: as you know, the idea that somehow this is a 304 00:19:26,240 --> 00:19:33,240 Speaker 1: concerted anti establishment overthrow the Republic Day of Insurrection is 305 00:19:33,280 --> 00:19:35,239 Speaker 1: a nonsense. I mean, it's just a nonsense. You can 306 00:19:35,280 --> 00:19:39,680 Speaker 1: see it from the videos. These are uncoordinated, random individuals 307 00:19:40,119 --> 00:19:44,000 Speaker 1: who talked about doing various things. But it was never 308 00:19:44,040 --> 00:19:45,560 Speaker 1: a great scheme in the first place. It was just 309 00:19:46,440 --> 00:19:49,600 Speaker 1: a day when they wanted to protest their frustration. Now, 310 00:19:50,240 --> 00:19:54,160 Speaker 1: what this obviously resulted in in the aftermath of Jenuary 311 00:19:54,240 --> 00:19:58,560 Speaker 1: sixth was this great conspiracy that they pointed at Parlor, 312 00:19:59,160 --> 00:20:02,080 Speaker 1: And yet of was our response to Congress when we 313 00:20:02,160 --> 00:20:05,119 Speaker 1: submitted Our response earlier this year was to clearly define 314 00:20:05,240 --> 00:20:08,000 Speaker 1: instances of violence that we had reported to the FBI. 315 00:20:08,680 --> 00:20:11,639 Speaker 1: Now we have a moral obligation to do that. We 316 00:20:11,800 --> 00:20:15,879 Speaker 1: have an obligation to report violence because if somebody shouts 317 00:20:15,960 --> 00:20:17,879 Speaker 1: fire in a crowded room, you don't get away with it. 318 00:20:17,960 --> 00:20:20,119 Speaker 1: That's not protected by the First Amendment. And that's what 319 00:20:20,280 --> 00:20:24,000 Speaker 1: our terms of service are. You can speak freely under 320 00:20:24,040 --> 00:20:26,639 Speaker 1: the First Amendment, but you can't just go around threatening 321 00:20:26,680 --> 00:20:29,160 Speaker 1: to kill people or threatening to inside violence. That's not allowed. 322 00:20:29,600 --> 00:20:33,240 Speaker 1: What we have done to counteract insignment to violence on 323 00:20:33,280 --> 00:20:36,399 Speaker 1: the platform. But at the same time, this kind of 324 00:20:37,200 --> 00:20:40,639 Speaker 1: narrative that was pointed at Parlor was a total falsity. 325 00:20:41,160 --> 00:20:43,200 Speaker 1: And we've been very clear in the aftermart that that 326 00:20:43,320 --> 00:20:45,520 Speaker 1: we are own apology, and of course, you know this 327 00:20:45,800 --> 00:20:49,080 Speaker 1: feeds into a bigger lawsuit. We have a lawsuit currently 328 00:20:49,119 --> 00:20:53,680 Speaker 1: going on against Amazon in Washington State, and this is 329 00:20:53,760 --> 00:20:56,480 Speaker 1: part of the discussion that we're having there, because how 330 00:20:56,560 --> 00:21:01,240 Speaker 1: can you d platform us saying that our platform was 331 00:21:01,280 --> 00:21:05,240 Speaker 1: an active platform that was being used to incite violence, 332 00:21:05,359 --> 00:21:07,760 Speaker 1: to create all kinds of chaos, and yet you have 333 00:21:07,880 --> 00:21:10,320 Speaker 1: no evidence to suggest that, and yet there is no 334 00:21:10,440 --> 00:21:13,359 Speaker 1: evidence out there saying this was actually the case. We 335 00:21:13,480 --> 00:21:16,640 Speaker 1: feel very strongly about this. We were totally unfairly scapegoated 336 00:21:17,119 --> 00:21:19,800 Speaker 1: by the left wing media who were desperate to try 337 00:21:19,840 --> 00:21:23,560 Speaker 1: and draw some grand conspiracy narrative out of it, saying 338 00:21:23,640 --> 00:21:25,719 Speaker 1: Donald Trump incided it and saying this was the day 339 00:21:25,720 --> 00:21:28,240 Speaker 1: to end the Republic, all of which was complete nonsense. 340 00:21:28,640 --> 00:21:31,320 Speaker 1: The FBI's report, which, as you rightly say, the FBI 341 00:21:31,400 --> 00:21:36,679 Speaker 1: political organization. The FBI's report has been all the more 342 00:21:36,760 --> 00:21:41,240 Speaker 1: remarkable given the political nature of the FBI, particularly that 343 00:21:41,320 --> 00:21:43,600 Speaker 1: we've seen in the last four years, and so on 344 00:21:43,680 --> 00:21:47,120 Speaker 1: the back of that, it's remarkable that they came out 345 00:21:47,240 --> 00:21:50,040 Speaker 1: and basically vindicated everything that we've been saying in the 346 00:21:50,119 --> 00:21:53,480 Speaker 1: first place, which is that we were never part, and 347 00:21:53,640 --> 00:21:56,160 Speaker 1: we were never saw and what we did see, which 348 00:21:56,240 --> 00:22:00,960 Speaker 1: was very little, we reported, So that should vindicate us. 349 00:22:01,000 --> 00:22:05,280 Speaker 1: If nothing else. Let me ask you two sales questions here. 350 00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:10,080 Speaker 1: Somebody doesn't belong to anything right now, what would your 351 00:22:10,160 --> 00:22:14,600 Speaker 1: case be that they should join you instead of joining 352 00:22:14,760 --> 00:22:19,800 Speaker 1: Twitter or Facebook or the other social media platforms. Well, 353 00:22:20,720 --> 00:22:24,879 Speaker 1: you're supposed to be joining it because you want social interaction. 354 00:22:25,200 --> 00:22:27,760 Speaker 1: That's the whole point of social media. It's supposed to 355 00:22:27,920 --> 00:22:31,920 Speaker 1: encourage and curate conversation and dialogue. That was the whole 356 00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:35,879 Speaker 1: purpose of social media. In the last sixteen years, since 357 00:22:35,960 --> 00:22:42,080 Speaker 1: social media has begun, that model has slowly been dissolved. 358 00:22:42,400 --> 00:22:46,320 Speaker 1: It is now just a great big echo chamber which 359 00:22:46,480 --> 00:22:50,560 Speaker 1: encourages censorship. If you want real conversation, if you want 360 00:22:50,800 --> 00:22:53,159 Speaker 1: unsensored conversation, if you want to hear both sides of 361 00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:55,120 Speaker 1: the aisle, which you're not going to hear on Twitter, 362 00:22:55,160 --> 00:22:57,000 Speaker 1: you should come to us. And if you want to 363 00:22:57,119 --> 00:23:01,440 Speaker 1: be able to speak freely without the fear of censorship, 364 00:23:01,840 --> 00:23:03,439 Speaker 1: which is really what a lot of people want. They 365 00:23:03,480 --> 00:23:05,720 Speaker 1: want to be able to put commentary up and know 366 00:23:05,920 --> 00:23:08,320 Speaker 1: that what they're saying is going to get heard by people. 367 00:23:09,160 --> 00:23:11,440 Speaker 1: And if it's good commentary, people will hear it and 368 00:23:11,520 --> 00:23:14,040 Speaker 1: they'll like it. If it's bad commentary, people will hear 369 00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:16,440 Speaker 1: it and they just ignore it, which is what people 370 00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:19,159 Speaker 1: have the free, rational power to do. And if you 371 00:23:19,280 --> 00:23:22,280 Speaker 1: want to be able to parlay and post and say 372 00:23:22,359 --> 00:23:25,160 Speaker 1: things without fear of censorship, you should come to Parlor 373 00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:29,280 Speaker 1: instead of Twitter, instead of Facebook, instead of Instagram. All 374 00:23:29,320 --> 00:23:31,639 Speaker 1: of these other places sense you. All of the other 375 00:23:31,680 --> 00:23:34,160 Speaker 1: places control what you can say, and you will only 376 00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:37,240 Speaker 1: receive one side of the conversation. And surely an informed 377 00:23:37,359 --> 00:23:41,120 Speaker 1: mind wants both sides of the conversation. If you want 378 00:23:41,119 --> 00:23:43,160 Speaker 1: to be informed, you have to come to us. You're 379 00:23:43,240 --> 00:23:49,159 Speaker 1: clearly a positive, energetic person with great management skills. What 380 00:23:49,320 --> 00:23:53,200 Speaker 1: do you see as the future Parlor. I'll take compliments 381 00:23:53,240 --> 00:23:55,920 Speaker 1: when I can get them. I think for Parlor for 382 00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:59,399 Speaker 1: the next one three five years out from here. The 383 00:23:59,560 --> 00:24:01,800 Speaker 1: gap in the market, I would say, is wide open. 384 00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:03,800 Speaker 1: Of course, we go out there marketing. Of course, we 385 00:24:03,880 --> 00:24:05,560 Speaker 1: want to promote ourselves. Of course we want to be 386 00:24:05,640 --> 00:24:07,520 Speaker 1: proactive and what we're doing and what we're saying and 387 00:24:07,640 --> 00:24:10,080 Speaker 1: what we're putting out there in our messaging, etc. Growing 388 00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:14,919 Speaker 1: the platform, growing the engagement base, growing the monthly active users, 389 00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:18,360 Speaker 1: the content creators who are on the platform, empowering then 390 00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:21,000 Speaker 1: to be able to create more content, put video, up 391 00:24:21,280 --> 00:24:24,960 Speaker 1: put multimedia. This is all stuff we're doing internally. We 392 00:24:25,119 --> 00:24:28,240 Speaker 1: want to get to a parity level with the big 393 00:24:28,359 --> 00:24:31,760 Speaker 1: social media giants in terms of content and in terms 394 00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:35,200 Speaker 1: of user interface and user experience by the end of 395 00:24:35,240 --> 00:24:37,520 Speaker 1: this year. That's our goal. It's an ambitious one, there's 396 00:24:37,560 --> 00:24:40,200 Speaker 1: no doubt about it. And we're setting ourselves ambitious targets. 397 00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:42,920 Speaker 1: I mean, my team has been working incredibly hard and 398 00:24:43,080 --> 00:24:44,720 Speaker 1: they all deserve a big pat on the back for 399 00:24:44,760 --> 00:24:47,399 Speaker 1: the amount of work they've been able to do this 400 00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:50,399 Speaker 1: year so far. But the flip side of this, and 401 00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:52,920 Speaker 1: this is kind of the other angle which people don't 402 00:24:52,920 --> 00:24:56,080 Speaker 1: always think about. So, yes, we've got all this positive 403 00:24:56,080 --> 00:24:59,680 Speaker 1: stuff going on, but at the same time, to some 404 00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:03,800 Speaker 1: sent we can sit back and just watch the rest 405 00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:07,639 Speaker 1: of the social media giants destroy themselves. And this is 406 00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:11,560 Speaker 1: the great beauty in being a platform which appeals to 407 00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:16,520 Speaker 1: people's desire to speak freely. Right, if you have a 408 00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:18,480 Speaker 1: desire to speak freely, and this is what I mentioned 409 00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:20,800 Speaker 1: earlier on when I talked about people like Naomi Wolf, 410 00:25:21,560 --> 00:25:23,560 Speaker 1: if you have a desire to speak freely, you want 411 00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:27,280 Speaker 1: to go to a place which encourages that, and you 412 00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:29,480 Speaker 1: don't want to go to a platform where you think 413 00:25:29,720 --> 00:25:31,840 Speaker 1: that at the end of the day, you know, maybe 414 00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:34,959 Speaker 1: not today, but maybe in two years time, you're going 415 00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:37,159 Speaker 1: to have an opinion which is not liked by the 416 00:25:37,280 --> 00:25:40,720 Speaker 1: social media giants. Right. It means like that old expression 417 00:25:41,080 --> 00:25:43,600 Speaker 1: during the Second World warder in the Holocaust. You know, 418 00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:46,360 Speaker 1: at first they came for this group, and I wasn't 419 00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:47,960 Speaker 1: one of them, so I said nothing. And the second 420 00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:49,880 Speaker 1: they came for this group, and I said nothing because 421 00:25:49,920 --> 00:25:51,639 Speaker 1: I wasn't one of them. And then they came for 422 00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:53,680 Speaker 1: the Jews, and I said nothing because I wasn't a Jew. 423 00:25:54,160 --> 00:25:56,080 Speaker 1: But at the end of the day they came for me, 424 00:25:56,280 --> 00:25:58,240 Speaker 1: and there was nobody to say anything for me because 425 00:25:58,400 --> 00:26:02,320 Speaker 1: everyone else was gone. It's very much like that nowadays. 426 00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:04,760 Speaker 1: You know, at first they come for the people who 427 00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:07,840 Speaker 1: don't like the COVID vaccine, and I like the COVID vaccine, 428 00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:10,120 Speaker 1: so therefore I say nothing about that. Then they come 429 00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:12,600 Speaker 1: for the people who said that January the sixth wasn't 430 00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:14,760 Speaker 1: an insurrection, and I thought it was an insurrection, so 431 00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:16,879 Speaker 1: I said nothing. You know, the list goes on and 432 00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:19,880 Speaker 1: you have all these criteria which you have to meet 433 00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:22,360 Speaker 1: the whole time. And you're seeing it in the collapse 434 00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:25,800 Speaker 1: of the narrative in the left between the transgender lobby 435 00:26:25,840 --> 00:26:29,600 Speaker 1: and the feminists. Right. So now a lot of feminists 436 00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:34,080 Speaker 1: say the transgender lobby does not represent feminism or lesbianism. 437 00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:35,920 Speaker 1: This is a dialog which is now being had, and 438 00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:37,840 Speaker 1: so as a result, a lot of the feminists are 439 00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:40,160 Speaker 1: being kicked out because they're saying, well, we don't agree 440 00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:42,480 Speaker 1: with this. So the left is starting to eat itself. 441 00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:44,840 Speaker 1: And at the end of the day, what this means 442 00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:49,760 Speaker 1: is that that window of appeal which the giant social 443 00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:53,719 Speaker 1: media companies have gets smaller and smaller and smaller and smaller, 444 00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:57,639 Speaker 1: and so they continually exclude more and more people from 445 00:26:57,680 --> 00:27:00,920 Speaker 1: the conversation until at the end of the day there's 446 00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:02,720 Speaker 1: people have to leave the platform. They have to come 447 00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:04,600 Speaker 1: to a place which allows for them to speak free. 448 00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:07,840 Speaker 1: And that's us. I almost enjoy it when I watch 449 00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:11,560 Speaker 1: Twitter and Facebook and everybody kick off people left, right 450 00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:13,760 Speaker 1: and center, because at the end of the day, they're 451 00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:15,959 Speaker 1: going to have to say, well, this is where I'm 452 00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:17,520 Speaker 1: going to go. I'm going to go to parlor instead. 453 00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:19,760 Speaker 1: I reach out to people the whole time, people on 454 00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:23,560 Speaker 1: the people on the right, international governments. I send emails 455 00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:25,960 Speaker 1: and make calls the whole time to people who I 456 00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:28,000 Speaker 1: want to get on the platform, saying have you considered 457 00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:29,680 Speaker 1: parlors and alternative and a little bit of saying no, 458 00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:32,400 Speaker 1: I haven't, and I'm not interested right now, and that's fine, 459 00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:35,200 Speaker 1: that's totally fine, I don't mind. But in two years time, 460 00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:37,720 Speaker 1: you're going to be interested. Because in two years time, 461 00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:41,479 Speaker 1: when Twitter has continued to sense you, when Facebook has 462 00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:44,720 Speaker 1: shut down your account, when you've finally been permanently banned 463 00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:50,080 Speaker 1: by some overlord who sits in Palo Alto, you're not 464 00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:52,400 Speaker 1: going to be able to go back onto that platform. 465 00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:54,800 Speaker 1: You're not going to have anywhere to speak freely, and 466 00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:57,360 Speaker 1: so you're going to have to seek out that alternative 467 00:27:57,400 --> 00:28:01,880 Speaker 1: platform which allows for you to express your points of view. 468 00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:04,359 Speaker 1: So that's really the kind of long term goal. The 469 00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:08,200 Speaker 1: long term goal is to become the great rival. We 470 00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:10,600 Speaker 1: are a challenger in this space. There isn't at about it. 471 00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:12,920 Speaker 1: We're not a giant by any stretch, and we're not 472 00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:15,840 Speaker 1: a minute. You know, we're not tiny. We have sixteen 473 00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:18,800 Speaker 1: million accounts. We have quite a lot of user engagement 474 00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:21,479 Speaker 1: and our numbers continue to take up. So we are 475 00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:23,919 Speaker 1: a challenger in this space, and I want to become 476 00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:26,640 Speaker 1: the dominant challenger. I would say we are the dominant 477 00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:29,760 Speaker 1: challenger in anyways, and I want that status to continue 478 00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:33,159 Speaker 1: to grow. I ask to take on these tech giants 479 00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:37,160 Speaker 1: who are based in cloud cookoo Land. So if people 480 00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:40,080 Speaker 1: want to join Parlor, I understand all they need to 481 00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:44,640 Speaker 1: do is go to Parlor dot com or download the 482 00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:47,760 Speaker 1: Parlor up from the app store. Is that right? That's 483 00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:52,120 Speaker 1: absolutely correct. Great well, George, thank you for joining me today. 484 00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:55,760 Speaker 1: What you're doing is I think courageous. I think it 485 00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:59,080 Speaker 1: is important for the future of freedom. I'm delighted that 486 00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:03,440 Speaker 1: you decided to tackle this challenge. We wish you godspeed 487 00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:08,480 Speaker 1: and every opportunity. As the oligarchs are stupider and stupider, 488 00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:11,000 Speaker 1: we hope people will decide to come and have a 489 00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:14,360 Speaker 1: place where they can actually talk without fear. Well, thank 490 00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:16,120 Speaker 1: you you. That's right kind of here and it's great 491 00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:21,000 Speaker 1: on it to speak to you as well. Thank you 492 00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:24,400 Speaker 1: to my guest George Farmer. You can learn more about 493 00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:27,240 Speaker 1: Parlor and get a link to join on our show 494 00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:31,200 Speaker 1: page at newtsworld dot com. Newts World is produced by 495 00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:35,920 Speaker 1: Gingwish three sixty and iHeartMedia. 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