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Speaker 1: Here we go another episode of the official show. Usually,

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Speaker 1: Fish Stripe subscribers can expect a weekly solo podcast from

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Speaker 1: me Eli Sussman, but on Monday I was paired with

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Speaker 1: Ethan Bidowski. We analyze the difficult Miami Marlin's roster decisions

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Speaker 1: heading its opening day, and for this Thursday episode, I

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Speaker 1: am joined by Daniel Rodriguez. Throughout this month, you've got

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Speaker 1: to know Daniel. He's been hosting the Tuesday and the

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Speaker 1: Thursday editions of our new Big Fish Small Pod. You

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Speaker 1: can find those right here on the Fish Strips feed. Obviously,

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Speaker 1: this Thursday is a special occasion, the first regular season

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Speaker 1: game of a highly anticipated Marlin season. That's why I

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Speaker 1: suggested that we deviate from the usual routine, that so

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Speaker 1: that me and you could co host this for a

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Speaker 1: not so small pod and go through all the things

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Speaker 1: that are on top of mind entering into the start

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Speaker 1: of the regular season. Entering opening day with lots of

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Speaker 1: reasons for Marlin's optimism, aren't we Daniel, zero official wins

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Speaker 1: for the team at the moment, but they're carrying some

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Speaker 1: momentum heading into twenty twenty one.

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Speaker 2: Well, they are the grape Fruit League champions, being in

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Speaker 2: first place, and I think they're gonna have maybe another

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Speaker 2: bat in next to the Grape Food League one this year.

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Speaker 1: That on the field it's from training games, yes sir.

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Speaker 1: And then off the field, finalizing first the TV deal

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Speaker 1: with Badly Sports Florida, and now officially announced on Wednesday

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Speaker 1: and widely reported on Tuesday, the new naming rights to

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Speaker 1: the ballpark. It's been Marlin's Park for nine seasons, ever

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Speaker 1: since the ballpark was founded in Little Havana, and now

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Speaker 1: it's got a new name. Loan Depot, Park, Loan Depot

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Speaker 1: all one word park in lowercase. They're keeping the park

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Speaker 1: but putting the name in the lowercase. I've put the

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Speaker 1: word out already on Twitter and in our articles that

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Speaker 1: we're going to be stylizing it with like capital letters.

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Speaker 1: We're not going to buy into whatever the company is

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Speaker 1: and all this, but we're trying to keep it as

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Speaker 1: straightforward as possible. So far, not exactly sure how much

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Speaker 1: money the team is getting. The initial report from Joe

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Speaker 1: Farsarrow was nine to ten million dollars a year that

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Speaker 1: was walked back by the Miami Herald. They're saying it's

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Speaker 1: closer to four maybe five, about half of that. I

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Speaker 1: mean either way, it brings in a substantial difference to

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Speaker 1: the team operating moving forward. I think every little bit counts,

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Speaker 1: and this is more than a little bit. To get

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Speaker 1: that every single year for the foreseeable future, you think

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Speaker 1: it was worth it worth it to take on the

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Speaker 1: loan Depot name in order to add to the resources

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Speaker 2: I think anytime you can bring that amount of money

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Speaker 2: to a team, especially a small market team like Miami,

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Speaker 2: it's definitely worth it. Was looking at it in line

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Speaker 2: it's said recent deals, it's more like the Brewers one

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Speaker 2: where the Brewers got a four million dollar a year

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Speaker 3: So I'll probably be around there.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if it's like nine or ten, but

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Speaker 2: I think it's getting that amount of money would be

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Speaker 2: good for the Marlins. And as for the name, I

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Speaker 2: am also a little confused with the lowercase. It's lowercase

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Speaker 2: loan and then capitalized D and depault, And at.

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Speaker 3: First I thought it was home depot. I thought it

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Speaker 3: was a home depot section like loan Depot.

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Speaker 2: I wasn't served, but overall, the Marlin's getting this sponsorship.

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Speaker 2: I think it's bringing some good revenue to the team.

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Speaker 2: They can use it for their payroll, they can use

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Speaker 2: it for the future. And anytime you get this amount

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Speaker 2: I think good things are going to happen.

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Speaker 3: It's a good move for the Marlins doing this deal.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, for what it's worth. I mean the CEO of

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Speaker 1: Loan Depot, he's a lifelong baseball fan. I think people

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Speaker 1: were disappointed though. That's not like a Miami based company

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Speaker 1: they were rooting for whether it was Publics or Ocean Bank,

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Speaker 1: or just anything that was more familiar for them, something

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Speaker 1: like in some indirect way that they're not getting it

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Speaker 1: for this for years. I mean ever since they took over,

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Speaker 1: this has been one of the top priorities for them

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Speaker 1: you think most people are going to learn to acknowledge

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Speaker 1: Is that which name do you think is actually going

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Speaker 2: I think it's just going to continue calling Marlins Park,

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Speaker 2: don't I'm going to say they really understand what that is?

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Speaker 2: Or really know about it down here in Miami. Like

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Speaker 2: continue calling it Marlin's Park. Also, like right here down

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Speaker 2: the street with the Dolphins, they've gone through like a

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Speaker 2: pro player. But I think they're just going to call

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Speaker 2: like like you said, it was publics Public's Park would

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Speaker 3: But I think it just takes time. With Loan deeple or.

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Speaker 2: I think maybe you have to give it maybe a

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Speaker 2: and then you have the team calling your loan Depot park,

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Speaker 2: like the Twitter avatar for Marlins Park, change for Loan

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Speaker 1: They're gonna do everything possible, I imagine to kind of

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Speaker 1: They're not making us buy into it. So it's up

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Speaker 1: to our preference really to decide exactly make making sure

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Speaker 1: listening to it. The opening day roster for the Marlins,

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Speaker 1: we spent an hour on the last pot on Monday,

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Speaker 1: me and Ethan going through these decisions, and we got

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Speaker 1: I'll just run through the names really quickly that these

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Speaker 1: the first game against the Rays, in alphabetical order, the

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Speaker 1: are there any surprises in this bunch, any other decisions

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Speaker 2: For me, I'm a little disappointed in not seeing Anthony

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Speaker 2: to be a little Springston. I'm not the biggest Lewis

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Speaker 2: But I'll still give him maybe one more opportunity, and

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Speaker 2: But overall, also the positioned player signed, everything looks good.

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Speaker 1: It's it's really no secret that this isn't the possible

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Speaker 1: this isn't the strongest possible group of twenty six players.

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Speaker 1: I don't think it's close, but it's not exactly. I mean,

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Speaker 1: all of a sudden, that defense in Marlins Park, which

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Speaker 1: is a little smaller than it used to be the dimensions,

433
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Speaker 1: but still a pitcher friendly park, will be very important

434
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Speaker 1: to have guys that can cover the grounds in the outfield.

435
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Speaker 1: And if you have these older players that have lost

436
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Speaker 1: a step or two and can't cover that ground, and

437
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Speaker 1: yet you really need their bats in the lineup. It

438
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Speaker 1: puts Don manningly in this impossible position where he's either

439
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Speaker 1: playing guys that are giving back runs defensively, or he's

440
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Speaker 1: choosing to sit these guys that have these proven bats

441
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Speaker 1: in order to give more playing time to who to

442
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Speaker 1: Lewis Brinson, to call up Monte Harrison, maybe call up

443
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Speaker 1: JJ Bledah, And that's a guy that could stabilize things

444
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Speaker 1: if he lives up to his potential. Overall, though, when

445
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Speaker 1: you turn that over to all these other younger outfielders,

446
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Speaker 1: that's where you have a possibility of really just not

447
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Speaker 1: getting the production you need out of those positions. People

448
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Speaker 1: are going to rip me apart for saying this, but

449
00:23:10,119 --> 00:23:12,760
Speaker 1: I'm a little concerned about Miguel Rojas as well. I mean,

450
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Speaker 1: he's the captain of this team, but right now they're

451
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Speaker 1: trusting him. He's thirty two years old as well. Maybe

452
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Speaker 1: he's at the same stage of his career. He's coming

453
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Speaker 1: off a great performance all around in twenty twenty. It

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Speaker 1: was a small sample though, it was he played about

455
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Speaker 1: forty games, and it's hard to trust that that will

456
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Speaker 1: hold up as he reaches this stage of his career.

457
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Speaker 1: He put in a lot of work this offseason. He

458
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Speaker 1: tried to show that he's as committed as ever, that

459
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Speaker 1: he's going to continue getting better, and he has continued

460
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Speaker 1: to prove people wrong throughout his career that thought he

461
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Speaker 1: had these limitations. There's just a scenario that if you

462
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Speaker 1: trust him with the shortstop job and he loses a

463
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Speaker 1: step just the natural aging of the baseball process, then

464
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Speaker 1: you have a big question mark all of the sudden

465
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Speaker 1: at this critical position at shortstop in the middle of

466
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Speaker 1: the field. So I don't think that all of those

467
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Speaker 1: guys that Rojas and Cooper and Marte and duvall are

468
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Speaker 1: gonna be busts, that all of them are going to

469
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Speaker 1: slow down. But it just takes a couple of them,

470
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Speaker 1: guys that are penciled in right now for very regular

471
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Speaker 1: playing time, and if they don't live up to the

472
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Speaker 1: back of their baseball cards, or they don't live up

473
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Speaker 1: to their defensitive reputations, then all of a sudden, that

474
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Speaker 1: just has a ripple effect throughout the whole team.

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Speaker 2: And I think another one that can maybe from Miami,

476
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Speaker 2: would have to be just overall just COVID, especially last

477
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Speaker 2: year in the beginning of the season that was like

478
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Speaker 2: the story of the year from Major League Baseball in

479
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Speaker 2: the early parts of that season with the Marlins getting COVID,

480
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Speaker 2: the season people were talking to was gonna get canceled

481
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Speaker 2: should they give him play. It took just a long

482
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Speaker 2: break until being able to come back, and even then

483
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Speaker 2: they had young players who probably should have been called

484
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Speaker 2: up having to play, bringing up guys who've never played

485
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Speaker 2: baseball I'm major League Baseball before, in the top flight.

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Speaker 2: And if the Marlins could be healthy, not get COVID,

487
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Speaker 2: be safe, isolate, quarantine, whatever they have to do, I

488
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Speaker 2: think it could be really great for the Marlins beginning

489
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Speaker 2: of that season, especially what they went through last year,

490
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Speaker 2: having I believe the most moves in the beginning of

491
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Speaker 2: the year just in major league history for the Marlins

492
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Speaker 2: last year. If they cannot get COVID and everyone's healthy,

493
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Speaker 2: I think great things would happen for this team.

494
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Speaker 1: Yeah. Looking a little farther ahead, this is really one

495
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Speaker 1: of my bigger worries about the team overall, is that

496
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Speaker 1: unless they really get off to a hot, hot start,

497
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Speaker 1: that not at the top of the division. I mean

498
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Speaker 1: that might be. We'll get into that whether that's even

499
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Speaker 1: in the realm of possibility. But if they're not even

500
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Speaker 1: much above the five hundred mark, if there's somewhere in

501
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Speaker 1: the middle, if they're right in the mix for a

502
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Speaker 1: wild card at come the trade deadline, you don't know

503
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Speaker 1: what direction they'll go with that. Last year, they were

504
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Speaker 1: in a pretty four situation where they got good performances

505
00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:04,959
Speaker 1: from veteran players, and almost all those veteran players were

506
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Speaker 1: still under contract for the following season, so they didn't

507
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Speaker 1: have to make any tough decisions where they were able

508
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Speaker 1: to hold on to all those guys knowing that hopefully

509
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Speaker 1: they help us get into the twenty twenty playoffs and

510
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Speaker 1: they'll he'll be around with us for twenty twenty one,

511
00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:22,800
Speaker 1: like Hasiu's aguilar, like Starling Marte, and of course Corey

512
00:26:22,840 --> 00:26:27,160
Speaker 1: Dickerson in the bullpen, gimm Garcia and at the time

513
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Speaker 1: Brandon Kinsler. That they were able to hold on to

514
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Speaker 1: everybody to get them over the hump. But now a

515
00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:35,480
Speaker 1: lot of those players are finally on the doorstep of

516
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Speaker 1: free agency. You have Marte who's going to be a

517
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Speaker 1: free agent, potentially for the first time in his career,

518
00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:43,560
Speaker 1: as a guy who will be very highly desirable. If

519
00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:45,360
Speaker 1: you look ahead to the free agent market, there are

520
00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:48,720
Speaker 1: almost no other comparable center fielders that are going to

521
00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:51,720
Speaker 1: be on the market. Hasiu's Aguilar still has control beyond

522
00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:54,880
Speaker 1: this year, but he'll be through the arbitration system. He'll

523
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Speaker 1: be in the line for a big pay raise, and

524
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Speaker 1: it's really unlikely that the Marlins are going to be

525
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Speaker 1: retaining him beyond this season. Because of that, Jimmy Garcia

526
00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:07,040
Speaker 1: will be a free agent potentially, Adam Duval is someone

527
00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:09,280
Speaker 1: that could be a free agent. They have a mutual

528
00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:12,560
Speaker 1: option in his contract for twenty twenty two, and Dickerson

529
00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:14,239
Speaker 1: is going to be a free agent. So this is

530
00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:16,560
Speaker 1: like the flip side where even if some of those

531
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Speaker 1: key players are doing really well, if it's not enough

532
00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:22,920
Speaker 1: to put the team where it wants to be competitively

533
00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:26,280
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty one, then this is an opportunity where

534
00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:29,440
Speaker 1: the front office will be tempted to simply swap those

535
00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:33,840
Speaker 1: guys for prospects and turn the page look to the future,

536
00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:37,720
Speaker 1: build something more sustainable, save money as well. I mean,

537
00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:41,960
Speaker 1: we've set all the big moves that they've made financially

538
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Speaker 1: with the new TV deal and with the new naming

539
00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:46,840
Speaker 1: rights deal. But I mean, this is a team that

540
00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:50,000
Speaker 1: was dead last in baseball in revenue before those deals,

541
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Speaker 1: and even with these changes, it doesn't necessarily put them

542
00:27:54,359 --> 00:27:56,800
Speaker 1: along with the big market clubs. It doesn't really even

543
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Speaker 1: put them in the middle class of baseball. Financially, They're

544
00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:04,320
Speaker 1: still one of the lower revenue teams and the team

545
00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:09,320
Speaker 1: that will always really need to focus on efficiency that

546
00:28:09,359 --> 00:28:12,040
Speaker 1: has to make these tough decisions in order to continue

547
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Speaker 1: to keep that farm system strong. So if you end

548
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Speaker 1: up selling off a lot of these players, and particularly

549
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Speaker 1: the relievers we mentioned Anthony Bender, I think Anthony Bender

550
00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:23,639
Speaker 1: will be up in the majors at some point, but

551
00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:27,440
Speaker 1: maybe he is as good as advertised in the middle innings,

552
00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:31,119
Speaker 1: he has like a one point five era. He's striking

553
00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:33,159
Speaker 1: out everybody in the middle of the year, but the

554
00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:34,320
Speaker 1: team isn't going anywhere.

555
00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:35,000
Speaker 3: Then.

556
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Speaker 1: We've seen with this front office, even before Kim Aanng arrived,

557
00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:42,240
Speaker 1: that they don't show a lot of loyalty to relief pitchers,

558
00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:45,120
Speaker 1: Like if you're on a hot streak, they sell high

559
00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:48,520
Speaker 1: on you. When James Hoyt has an uneven spring training,

560
00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:52,040
Speaker 1: like even coming off a great year, they jump ship

561
00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:54,520
Speaker 1: before it's too late, before they can't get anything in

562
00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:58,240
Speaker 1: return if they get this team. One of the hopes

563
00:28:58,280 --> 00:29:00,120
Speaker 1: is that the bullpen was going to be improved in

564
00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:03,800
Speaker 1: twenty twenty one compared to twenty twenty. But there's a

565
00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:07,240
Speaker 1: scenario where it's improved, and again it doesn't add enough

566
00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:10,280
Speaker 1: to the team overall that you have to flip them

567
00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:13,880
Speaker 1: at that they'll be tempted at least to flip them

568
00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:16,000
Speaker 1: to contending teams in the middle of the season, and

569
00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:18,840
Speaker 1: then that just leaves a big void with where the

570
00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:23,480
Speaker 1: replacements are internally. That was like a big part of

571
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Speaker 1: what happened in twenty nineteen. Twenty nineteen, they lost one

572
00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:28,600
Speaker 1: hundred and five games, and if you lost that, watch

573
00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:30,880
Speaker 1: that full season, you know they were a lot better

574
00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:34,160
Speaker 1: than in one hundred and five lost team. The problem

575
00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:35,920
Speaker 1: was the last two months of the season they had

576
00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:39,320
Speaker 1: no bullpen whatsoever. They didn't have a closer, they didn't

577
00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:42,040
Speaker 1: have a setup man, they didn't really have a seventh

578
00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:45,760
Speaker 1: ending guy at all, because they had inconsistencies from those

579
00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:48,200
Speaker 1: roles and because they made trades when they had the

580
00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:51,640
Speaker 1: opportunity to and they didn't really worry about the consequences.

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Speaker 2: I think one more thing that really hurt the Marlin

582
00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:58,000
Speaker 2: to offseason with letting Brandon Kinsler go. I think the

583
00:29:58,040 --> 00:30:01,040
Speaker 2: Marlins could have used him as a as out the

584
00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:02,920
Speaker 2: closing this year after he has just such a great

585
00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:05,680
Speaker 2: year last year. I think that's really that probably hurt

586
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Speaker 2: the Marlins this year, especially him going inside the division,

587
00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:11,800
Speaker 2: which is going to hurt them even more. I think

588
00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:12,480
Speaker 2: you'll just spend a.

589
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Speaker 3: Little bit of the money.

590
00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:16,000
Speaker 2: It wasn't even a lot he was asking for, but

591
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Speaker 2: I think that's probably going to hurt the Marlins this year,

592
00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:21,000
Speaker 2: not picking up Brandon Kinseler.

593
00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:25,800
Speaker 1: Agreed, agreed. It seems that he I think he made

594
00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:27,840
Speaker 1: the Phillies rosters. We will be seeing a lot of

595
00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:32,760
Speaker 1: him head to head this season as well. Before we

596
00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:35,200
Speaker 1: move on to the brighter stuff, let me get what

597
00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:37,600
Speaker 1: do you think that worst case scenario looks like in

598
00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:41,400
Speaker 1: the standings? What is potentially the record that you can

599
00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:44,480
Speaker 1: see this team having if if all these things blow

600
00:30:44,560 --> 00:30:47,320
Speaker 1: up in their face, if they have starting pitching injuries,

601
00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:50,880
Speaker 1: if they sell off their free agents and their hot relievers,

602
00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:54,800
Speaker 1: if their defense like falls off a cliff just because

603
00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:57,760
Speaker 1: these guys are at the wrong part of the agent

604
00:30:57,880 --> 00:31:01,680
Speaker 1: curve and all that. And I guess, in particular, if

605
00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:05,840
Speaker 1: you think Adam Duvall is someone to worry about moving forward,

606
00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:08,040
Speaker 1: what do you think that record looks like if everything

607
00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:11,320
Speaker 1: goes wrong, just to brace people for like the ninthmare season,

608
00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:14,040
Speaker 1: potentially coming off a playoff birth, how far down do

609
00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:17,280
Speaker 1: you think they could drop if if it's just that

610
00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:18,160
Speaker 1: year from hell.

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Speaker 2: For them, if everything goes wrong, like you just said,

612
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Speaker 2: I would don't be surprised if they hit one hundred losses,

613
00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:27,120
Speaker 2: but now maybe not one hundred and five hundred and ten,

614
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Speaker 2: but even like exactly sixty two and one hundred ninety

615
00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:33,840
Speaker 2: nine losses, But especially I could see them picking top

616
00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:36,440
Speaker 2: three the next year in the draft. That that's where

617
00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:39,680
Speaker 2: I see them, top three in the draft, bomb three

618
00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:43,280
Speaker 2: in the league. But maybe I'm most like you mentioned

619
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Speaker 2: seventy wins that the sportsbook have, but even that that

620
00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:51,440
Speaker 2: could be a stretch. If it's exactly if everything goes wrong,

621
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Speaker 2: they sell no one.

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Speaker 3: Lies up to expectations. Don't be surprised if they hit

623
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Speaker 3: that sixty win mark.

624
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Speaker 1: I'm in a similar area. I'll give them a little

625
00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:03,800
Speaker 1: bit more credit because I'm optimistic about the next wave

626
00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:06,680
Speaker 1: of prospects that will fill some of those spots if

627
00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:09,440
Speaker 1: they lose guys to injuries and trades. I'll say, no

628
00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:12,640
Speaker 1: matter what, they'll get to about sixty five wins, sixty

629
00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:15,240
Speaker 1: five and ninety seven that it will be an improvement

630
00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:17,680
Speaker 1: at least over where they were a couple of years ago,

631
00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:21,120
Speaker 1: just because of that depth they have. I guess one

632
00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:24,040
Speaker 1: more thing we should mention is just the brutal strength

633
00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:26,960
Speaker 1: of this division, right I mean, everybody in this division

634
00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:30,440
Speaker 1: potentially could be a big threat. These teams have big budgets,

635
00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:33,160
Speaker 1: they have motivations to win right now. Some of them

636
00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:36,000
Speaker 1: have been very incompetent in the past. People always love

637
00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:38,080
Speaker 1: to laugh at the Mets, they laugh at the Phillies.

638
00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:42,240
Speaker 1: The reality is those teams now are as motivated as ever,

639
00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:45,800
Speaker 1: and they have so much star power established star power

640
00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:48,760
Speaker 1: on their roster that the Marlins don't quite have. That

641
00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:52,400
Speaker 1: Playing nearly half of your games against those teams is

642
00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:54,600
Speaker 1: going to make you your team look worse than it

643
00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:58,080
Speaker 1: actually is. If those teams stay healthy and they all

644
00:32:58,120 --> 00:33:00,760
Speaker 1: of them are competing right until the end of the season,

645
00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:03,120
Speaker 1: either for the division title or for a wild card spot,

646
00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:07,520
Speaker 1: that is unfortunately nothing the Marlins can do about. That's

647
00:33:07,520 --> 00:33:10,560
Speaker 1: where they are geographically in the National League East Division.

648
00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:14,320
Speaker 1: We're gonna come back in just one minute, and we're

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Speaker 1: Welcome back with Daniel Rodriguez Elis Susman talking about the

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Speaker 1: best case scenarios for this twenty twenty one Marlin season.

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Speaker 1: We went through the bad stuff on the other side

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Speaker 1: of the coin. I mean, I'll start where I started

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Speaker 1: the previous segment, with the rotation, with the pitching that

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Speaker 1: they have entering the regular season. We got Sandiel Concra,

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Speaker 1: Pablo Lopez, Eliez or Hernandez Rodgers and should be coming

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Speaker 1: up very soon into the season. We'll be seeing six

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Speaker 1: Do Sanchez, and right behind him on the depth chart,

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Speaker 1: we've a Nick Knidert. We have Braxton Garrett with Daniel Costano.

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Speaker 1: I mean, Daniel Costano came out of nowhere last year

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Speaker 1: and had a three er, and honestly, I think they

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Speaker 1: go That's how deep they go for the first portion

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Speaker 1: of their season, all with guys that you could very

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Speaker 1: comfortably project to be average starting pitchers of the majors,

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Speaker 1: if not slightly better than average, and if not way

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Speaker 1: better than average. In the rotation. This is not a

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Speaker 1: bold take, really, and I think this rotation has received

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Speaker 1: a lot of love from the people that actually understands

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Speaker 1: the game and can analyze it. That They know that

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Speaker 1: Trevor Rodgers last year, despite his big era, he's got

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Speaker 1: an amazing fastball for a lefty and great command of it,

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Speaker 1: and he's got wipe out secondary stuff. They know that

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Speaker 1: Pablo Lopez continues to get better and better and better

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Speaker 1: he adds to his pitch mix, he's making adjustments and

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Speaker 1: he's only just hitting his stride as well. They know

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Speaker 1: that Eliezer Hernandez has reintroduced his change up into his

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Speaker 1: pitch mix, and he already had great strikeout numbers last

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Speaker 1: year before his injury. I mean, the possibilities with him

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Speaker 1: this year are incredible as long as he stays healthy.

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Speaker 1: And it really nothing needs to be said about Sandy

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Speaker 1: and about six Oh. These are guys that in the

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Speaker 1: postseason with so much on the line. Both of them

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Speaker 1: had incredible postseason debuts in that series that the Marlins

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Speaker 1: played against the Cubs in order to sweep that series,

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Speaker 1: And that's just scratching the surface of what they can

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Speaker 1: do because both of them have just incredible raw stuff.

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Speaker 1: With six to Oh, his command has always been there

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Speaker 1: throughout his pro career. With Sandy, it just keeps getting better.

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Speaker 1: And he has that bravado you know he has that

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Speaker 1: he wants to be that ace. He has that noun

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Speaker 1: presence where you always trust him and above all else,

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Speaker 1: with Sandy, you trust his durability, which will be so

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Speaker 1: big in this kind of year where most pitchers are

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Speaker 1: under pretty careful pitching limits. So when I covered eight

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Speaker 1: guys there that I all believe in a lot, some

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Speaker 1: of them outside of Sandy, will be on Enning's limits.

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Speaker 1: But then there's even more coming later on in the year,

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Speaker 1: when Edward Cabrera gets healthy, when Max Meyer gets healthy.

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Speaker 1: Max Meyer might be the best pitching prospect they have

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Speaker 1: who hasn't already appeared in the majors, and he should

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Speaker 1: be up by the end of the year, all things considered,

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Speaker 1: And with those guys alone and just a little bit

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Speaker 1: of luck on the durability side, that might be enough

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Speaker 1: to patch things together. With all these pictures that majors

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Speaker 1: aren't very familiar with yet, that opposing batters can't really

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Speaker 1: prepare for all that much yet, and that I think

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Speaker 1: the advantage goes to a pitcher when you're brand new

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Speaker 1: on the scene and when you're just coming into your

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Speaker 1: own as a starting pitcher, when if everything goes right,

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Speaker 1: this could be one of the very best rotations in

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Speaker 1: the Majors. If not number one, maybe not number one,

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Speaker 1: I think that might be stretching it say number one,

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Speaker 1: but I'm pretty comfortable saying they could get top five

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Speaker 1: major league production out of their starting pitcher, that the

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Speaker 1: majority of their endings pitch this year could come from

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Speaker 1: guys that are elite, and that's that alone is going

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Speaker 1: to carry you very, very far when we're talking about

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Speaker 1: competing to get back to October.

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Speaker 2: And I also think maybe like the major X factor

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Speaker 2: for the Marlins hitting wise, will probably be st Starling Marte.

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Speaker 2: Getting a full season of Marte coming off injury. I

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Speaker 2: think everything that he can bring leadership wise, power, speed

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Speaker 2: ability in the outfield, I think having Marte will just

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Speaker 2: be great for the full season. I think it depends

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Speaker 2: hitting and the hitting side. Maybe I don't want to

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Speaker 2: say solely on him, but a majority of the share.

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Speaker 2: If Starling Martsa can continue what he was doing in

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Speaker 2: the past before coming to the Marlins, I think a

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Speaker 2: Marlins could just exceed expectations hitting wise, if Marketa can

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Speaker 2: stay healthy, he'll be motivated.

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Speaker 1: I tell you he's going to be a pending free agent,

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Speaker 1: and he's going to be if he's anything like his

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Speaker 1: old self, he'll be the best center fielder on the

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Speaker 1: market next year. So even if he's not going to

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Speaker 1: be with the Marlins long term, he'll be somewhere next

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Speaker 1: year and he wants to get paid, and I can't.

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Speaker 1: I can't blame him for that and for using that

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Speaker 1: kind of motivation to get him through that. There are

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Speaker 1: I guess the other thing to point to what at

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Speaker 1: this particular moment was really one of my big takeaways

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Speaker 1: from spring training. It was the defense. I alluded to

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Speaker 1: it before, how there are some concerns due to age

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Speaker 1: with some key players on this roster. Overall, it's it

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Speaker 1: has the makings of being a big strength of this team.

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Speaker 1: Where people point to the rotation for understandable reasons because

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Speaker 1: it's easier to see that and it's like easier to quantify,

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Speaker 1: but at almost every position they have really solid and

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Speaker 1: frankly more than solid defensive options. If we trust that,

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Speaker 1: if we trust that those older players can be who

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Speaker 1: they used to be, whether it's Duval and Dickerson who

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Speaker 1: have won gold Gloves in the past. I mean that's

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Speaker 1: important to no doubt, even if they are where they

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Speaker 1: are in their careers, that they have that pedigree. I

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Speaker 1: think Starling Marte the same thing. Miguel Rojas and Brian

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Speaker 1: Anderson were both finalists. This is amazing how far along

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Speaker 1: are we in the pod. And this is the first

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Speaker 1: mention of Brian Anderson that he's someone that is a

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Speaker 1: terrific all round player and at this very moment it

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Speaker 1: does not seem like he'll get his contract extension. We

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Speaker 1: tried on fist stripes to get be a paid by

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Speaker 1: Kim Ang in the front office, and they're seemingly not

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Speaker 1: interested in doing that right now. It's the same effect

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Speaker 1: that someone like Marte has that if they don't want

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Speaker 1: to give him the security right now, then he has

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Speaker 1: to prove himself and he wants to put himself in

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Speaker 1: a new stratosphere in terms of what his market value

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Speaker 1: is by producing on the field. So he's someone that

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Speaker 1: is entering into his prime years of baseball and he's

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Speaker 1: shown so much ability in different aspects of the game,

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Speaker 1: but now more than ever, he wants to prove himself.

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Speaker 1: I've always been amazed at not only what he does

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Speaker 1: at third base, but in the shift when they move

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Speaker 1: him to the right side of the infields, and how

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Speaker 1: naturally he handles all those plays as well. It's very impressive.

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Speaker 1: Jorge al Faro is another key guy here where he

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Speaker 1: had defensive limitations last year. He was benched last year

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Speaker 1: throughout the postseason run because they did not like the

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Speaker 1: way he was calling games and of course he wasn't

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Speaker 1: hitting up to his rusual standards to give himself in

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Speaker 1: the lineup. More so than anything though, it was about

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Speaker 1: the defensive stuff. It was about the intangibles. And he

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Speaker 1: spent this whole off season staying in Miami instead of

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Speaker 1: returning to his native Columbia. He stayed here to work

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Speaker 1: on his game to know that this is a make

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Speaker 1: or break here for him. It really is. Where he's

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Speaker 1: a guy that could find himself cut loose at the

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Speaker 1: end of the season if he doesn't improve on where

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Speaker 1: he was in twenty twenty. He'll be motivated, and he's

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Speaker 1: someone that has incredible skill sets behind the plate. He's

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Speaker 1: always had that strong arm and he's been catching for

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Speaker 1: a long time. Have some of those innate abilities on

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Speaker 1: how to work with pitchers and how call the right

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Speaker 1: game and how to do all that behind the plate.

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Speaker 1: So you could see a scenario where he has a

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Speaker 1: breakout of sorts as a defensive catcher and he becomes

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Speaker 1: a true plus behind that. And again it ties back

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Speaker 1: to this next wave of players that are coming up.

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Speaker 1: We saw them in spring training. We saw jj Blday

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Speaker 1: saw him make a couple of great catches in one

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Speaker 1: awesome double play with his cannon of an arm and

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Speaker 1: right field. He'll be up at some point this year

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Speaker 1: and he's going to help them in either of the

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Speaker 1: corner outfield positions. So even if Duval and Dickerson do

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Speaker 1: take a step back, he is going to be an

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Speaker 1: upgrade over them potentially at those positions. All those outfielders

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Speaker 1: that are kind of on the fringes of the roster,

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Speaker 1: Brinson and Sierra and Monte, all of them are plus defenders,

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Speaker 1: maybe double plus defenders. So if their bats tick up

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Speaker 1: just a little bit that you can feel comfortable starting

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Speaker 1: them on occasion, you're going to get of lockdown defense

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Speaker 1: at those outfield spots. And really the unsung hero I

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Speaker 1: think of this, Marlin Steam is their coach, Trey Hillman.

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Speaker 1: Trey Hillman is the guy that coordinates all the positioning,

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Speaker 1: especially in the infield, the defensive shifts, and this is

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Speaker 1: a team that has gradually, year over years, started to

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Speaker 1: shift more and more often and then really affected at

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Speaker 1: doing that. As long as he's in charge, as long

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Speaker 1: as he is continuing to scout their opponents the right

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Speaker 1: way to know where to line his infielders up, that

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Speaker 1: they're going to take advantage of it. This is the

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Speaker 1: pitching staff, especially with six to zero and with Pablo,

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Speaker 1: and with Sandy and even with Nick Knider when he

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Speaker 1: gets an opportunity to come up and some of the others,

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Speaker 1: where they generate so many ground balls, so many when

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Speaker 1: they're not striking guys out, they're keeping it in the infield.

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Speaker 1: And as long as you have athletic infielders in position,

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Speaker 1: and you have them in the right spots, then they're

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Speaker 1: going to be so many outs inverted on those plays.

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Speaker 1: And you add it all together, this is the pitching

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Speaker 1: talent and the defensive talent and the analytics. It could

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Speaker 1: be an elite team in terms of run prevention. Honestly,

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Speaker 1: it could be in contention for one of the very

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Speaker 1: best teams in terms of preventing runs. And that's half

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Speaker 1: the battle, right Not hitting is the other half. And

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Speaker 1: maybe you could talk a little bit about the hitting

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Speaker 1: upside that these guys have, but it's the run prevention

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Speaker 1: is half the battle. Making sure that any game is

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Speaker 1: within reach because you can limit your opponents from putting

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Speaker 1: up those crooked numbers on the scoreboard.

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Speaker 2: Hitting if it's probably going to be the bigggest thing

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Speaker 2: for the More Orleans this year, maybe improvement wise, like

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Speaker 2: I said before, they were in the bottom of the

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Speaker 2: league last year, and ops and other stats, maybe including

863
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Speaker 2: home runs, and if they can get hitting from you

864
00:44:53,239 --> 00:44:56,360
Speaker 2: guys like Jazz Chisholm or more maybe more from a

865
00:44:56,400 --> 00:44:58,880
Speaker 2: strong mart take Corey tickets and Cooper can hit a

866
00:44:58,920 --> 00:45:03,960
Speaker 2: couple of home runs. If they just get hit home runs, RBIs, runs, anything, walks.

867
00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:07,320
Speaker 2: If they can just improve just slightly on that, I

868
00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:09,279
Speaker 2: think this is a wide part team and maybe even

869
00:45:09,400 --> 00:45:13,919
Speaker 2: potentially win the division if everything goes right anywise, because

870
00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:17,960
Speaker 2: as you mentioned before, defensively, they're looking great on that end,

871
00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:19,759
Speaker 2: but if they can hit just as well they're gonna

872
00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:22,480
Speaker 2: play defense, they could probably win the division.

873
00:45:25,719 --> 00:45:29,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, with the hitting side. I mean individual guys that

874
00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:33,520
Speaker 1: I'm pretty high on. Jazz Chisholm Junior. Where you look

875
00:45:33,600 --> 00:45:37,840
Speaker 1: in spring training, the highlights he created pretty obvious, the

876
00:45:38,120 --> 00:45:41,120
Speaker 1: I think three home runs and four stolen bases, but

877
00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:44,759
Speaker 1: also the actual quality of the contact. He was hitting

878
00:45:44,760 --> 00:45:48,400
Speaker 1: the ball harder than you see from practically anybody. He

879
00:45:48,440 --> 00:45:52,239
Speaker 1: has that elite bat speed and that sneaky strength even

880
00:45:52,280 --> 00:45:55,280
Speaker 1: in his small build, where he generates so much power

881
00:45:55,280 --> 00:45:57,080
Speaker 1: that he can mishit the ball a little bit and

882
00:45:57,200 --> 00:46:00,400
Speaker 1: still going to go a very, very long way. So

883
00:46:00,840 --> 00:46:06,359
Speaker 1: he's one guy where projection systems will think he might

884
00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:09,719
Speaker 1: not be ready to be an everyday player, and he's

885
00:46:09,760 --> 00:46:12,360
Speaker 1: sort of just taking advantage of the struggles that isan

886
00:46:12,440 --> 00:46:15,920
Speaker 1: Diez has had. But the upside with him is pretty

887
00:46:15,960 --> 00:46:18,400
Speaker 1: fantastic where he could be a star. He could be

888
00:46:18,440 --> 00:46:21,239
Speaker 1: one of their best all round players immediately if he

889
00:46:21,280 --> 00:46:26,040
Speaker 1: stays confident and if he continues to work quality at bats,

890
00:46:26,120 --> 00:46:28,120
Speaker 1: that power will show up, and he is a guy

891
00:46:28,120 --> 00:46:31,280
Speaker 1: that could easily hit twenty home runs in the season.

892
00:46:31,320 --> 00:46:36,040
Speaker 1: Twenty five home runs. I mean, Miguel Rojas is one

893
00:46:36,040 --> 00:46:37,960
Speaker 1: of the real mysteries here. I told you that I

894
00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:39,759
Speaker 1: was a little bit skeptical of what he's going to

895
00:46:39,760 --> 00:46:42,080
Speaker 1: be moving forward. I mean, the reality is he hit

896
00:46:42,320 --> 00:46:44,520
Speaker 1: what did he hit last year, like three ten or

897
00:46:44,520 --> 00:46:48,240
Speaker 1: three point fifteen with a nine hundred ops that anyway

898
00:46:48,239 --> 00:46:50,719
Speaker 1: who sliced it. He was one of the better offensive

899
00:46:50,719 --> 00:46:56,359
Speaker 1: shortstops in baseball last season, and he can't entirely rule

900
00:46:56,400 --> 00:46:58,839
Speaker 1: out him somehow repeating that with the kind of work

901
00:46:58,840 --> 00:47:02,600
Speaker 1: ethic that he has. Garrett Cooper. You mentioned Garret Cooper

902
00:47:02,640 --> 00:47:07,240
Speaker 1: a couple of times already, where he's potentially the most

903
00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:10,160
Speaker 1: talented hitter that they do have, and he's just never

904
00:47:10,200 --> 00:47:13,399
Speaker 1: been healthy in his whole career, including last year missing

905
00:47:13,440 --> 00:47:15,800
Speaker 1: a lot of time with COVID. If he stays healthy

906
00:47:16,040 --> 00:47:18,719
Speaker 1: and if again we're praying for this, we're praying for

907
00:47:18,760 --> 00:47:22,640
Speaker 1: the last minute designated hitter to become universal that if

908
00:47:22,640 --> 00:47:25,920
Speaker 1: he has an everyday role of some kinds, that you

909
00:47:25,960 --> 00:47:28,279
Speaker 1: could see a scenario where he really breaks out into

910
00:47:28,320 --> 00:47:32,080
Speaker 1: an All Star caliber guy. And I guess the final

911
00:47:32,080 --> 00:47:33,680
Speaker 1: thing I want to touch on is the base running.

912
00:47:33,680 --> 00:47:37,080
Speaker 1: I mean, last year, that was a big quality of

913
00:47:37,120 --> 00:47:38,960
Speaker 1: the team. They were not a good offensive team. Last

914
00:47:39,040 --> 00:47:41,080
Speaker 1: year you mentioned they were I believe dead last in

915
00:47:41,160 --> 00:47:43,319
Speaker 1: the majors and home runs if not very close to that.

916
00:47:43,920 --> 00:47:45,560
Speaker 1: And the reason why they were still able to win

917
00:47:45,800 --> 00:47:48,040
Speaker 1: most of their games is because of their base running.

918
00:47:48,040 --> 00:47:50,640
Speaker 1: They were second to the majors in stolen bases, and

919
00:47:50,680 --> 00:47:53,120
Speaker 1: they were really high up their inefficiency as well. The

920
00:47:53,840 --> 00:47:58,680
Speaker 1: stolen base percentage was in the high seventies. The ability

921
00:47:58,719 --> 00:48:00,680
Speaker 1: that they had to take the extra base as well,

922
00:48:00,880 --> 00:48:03,680
Speaker 1: things that don't show up in the traditional steals totals,

923
00:48:03,680 --> 00:48:06,440
Speaker 1: going from first to third, forcing a lot of pressure

924
00:48:06,480 --> 00:48:10,400
Speaker 1: to get your force errors by the defense and getting

925
00:48:10,440 --> 00:48:14,160
Speaker 1: extra bases that way. And they're bringing back so many

926
00:48:14,160 --> 00:48:16,440
Speaker 1: of the key players from that team from like Starling

927
00:48:16,520 --> 00:48:19,319
Speaker 1: Marte Jazz in a very short time showed his base

928
00:48:19,400 --> 00:48:22,680
Speaker 1: running ability. And I guess the last player that I

929
00:48:22,719 --> 00:48:25,240
Speaker 1: need to show love to is John Birdie. John Berdie,

930
00:48:25,320 --> 00:48:28,920
Speaker 1: very quietly is potentially one of the best players on

931
00:48:28,960 --> 00:48:32,000
Speaker 1: this roster all round. Last year three eighty eight on

932
00:48:32,040 --> 00:48:35,360
Speaker 1: base percentage, he was tied for the team lead with

933
00:48:35,400 --> 00:48:39,400
Speaker 1: his nine steals, and he with his defensive versatility, is

934
00:48:39,440 --> 00:48:41,520
Speaker 1: going to find his way into the lineup all the

935
00:48:41,560 --> 00:48:46,840
Speaker 1: majority of days when he is just very solid player

936
00:48:46,840 --> 00:48:48,759
Speaker 1: and we don't know where he came from. He was

937
00:48:48,800 --> 00:48:50,920
Speaker 1: a minor league signing a couple of years ago. There

938
00:48:50,960 --> 00:48:54,360
Speaker 1: was not much expected of him as recently as honestly,

939
00:48:54,480 --> 00:48:56,520
Speaker 1: at this time a year ago, I wasn't totally sure

940
00:48:56,600 --> 00:49:00,640
Speaker 1: whether he'd be able to legitimize his rookie production from

941
00:49:00,640 --> 00:49:03,839
Speaker 1: twenty nineteen, but he did. He just works great at

942
00:49:03,880 --> 00:49:08,200
Speaker 1: bats and he is still one of the fastest players

943
00:49:08,280 --> 00:49:12,480
Speaker 1: in baseball. There's really no debate about that. So as

944
00:49:12,480 --> 00:49:14,520
Speaker 1: long as he's on the team, as long as he's healthy,

945
00:49:15,360 --> 00:49:17,960
Speaker 1: he'll be a big aspect of setting the tone for

946
00:49:18,040 --> 00:49:20,160
Speaker 1: what they do as a base running team, and that's

947
00:49:20,200 --> 00:49:22,719
Speaker 1: going to create a lot more offense than you might

948
00:49:22,719 --> 00:49:23,800
Speaker 1: think at first glance.

949
00:49:23,840 --> 00:49:28,840
Speaker 2: I think, especially you know, with John Burdy and everything

950
00:49:28,840 --> 00:49:31,799
Speaker 2: that he brings, mostly all the positions that he can

951
00:49:31,840 --> 00:49:34,759
Speaker 2: also play, reminds me a lot of a brock Holt

952
00:49:35,719 --> 00:49:38,120
Speaker 2: formerly with the Rod Sock he made the All Star Game.

953
00:49:38,239 --> 00:49:40,320
Speaker 2: That's what I think of when I see John Berdy.

954
00:49:40,680 --> 00:49:44,040
Speaker 2: Someone who can play the entire infield, can play, who's

955
00:49:44,080 --> 00:49:46,279
Speaker 2: going to be great defensively, who can also hit the

956
00:49:46,320 --> 00:49:49,160
Speaker 2: ball at a good percentage of good batting average. I

957
00:49:49,160 --> 00:49:51,719
Speaker 2: think with John Berdy, I think even another guy who's

958
00:49:51,719 --> 00:49:54,759
Speaker 2: an x fact really underrated for the moments, and he

959
00:49:54,800 --> 00:49:58,600
Speaker 2: can just perform really well, maybe hitting wise, because he

960
00:49:58,640 --> 00:50:02,800
Speaker 2: already has everything down to defense, especially play multiple positions.

961
00:50:02,800 --> 00:50:05,280
Speaker 2: I think that's really a key guy from the Marlins

962
00:50:05,280 --> 00:50:06,919
Speaker 2: when they plug and play him.

963
00:50:06,840 --> 00:50:07,480
Speaker 3: Into the lineup.

964
00:50:07,560 --> 00:50:11,200
Speaker 2: Maybe if someone is injured or has COVID or as

965
00:50:11,239 --> 00:50:13,879
Speaker 2: a hitting slump, you plug in John Burning. I think

966
00:50:13,880 --> 00:50:17,680
Speaker 2: you can get good to even better hitting wise, especially

967
00:50:17,680 --> 00:50:19,160
Speaker 2: defensively when you plug them in.

968
00:50:21,200 --> 00:50:23,400
Speaker 1: Just as we did with the previous segment, I want

969
00:50:23,440 --> 00:50:26,200
Speaker 1: to hear a number from you, a win total record

970
00:50:26,280 --> 00:50:29,200
Speaker 1: that potentially this team gets to if if it all

971
00:50:29,200 --> 00:50:32,200
Speaker 1: goes together. And I guess right before we make the prediction,

972
00:50:32,400 --> 00:50:37,040
Speaker 1: I we'll just flip the division situation around where even

973
00:50:37,080 --> 00:50:39,560
Speaker 1: though a lot of these teams have these big payrolls,

974
00:50:39,560 --> 00:50:41,839
Speaker 1: that they have these big stars, most of them are

975
00:50:41,960 --> 00:50:44,040
Speaker 1: entering this season with some injury concerns. I mean, the

976
00:50:44,080 --> 00:50:47,120
Speaker 1: Mets are missing Carlos Carrasco. As we're recording this, the

977
00:50:47,200 --> 00:50:50,719
Speaker 1: Nationals had a surprise COVID case on their roster all

978
00:50:50,760 --> 00:50:53,759
Speaker 1: of a sudden the eve of the regular season. It

979
00:50:54,320 --> 00:50:56,239
Speaker 1: seems that one of their players or several of their

980
00:50:56,239 --> 00:50:58,720
Speaker 1: players are going to be missing time due to COVID

981
00:50:58,760 --> 00:51:02,280
Speaker 1: protocols and they'll be unavail who else with the other teams.

982
00:51:02,280 --> 00:51:04,880
Speaker 1: With the Phillies, JT. Realmuto had to rush through spring training,

983
00:51:04,920 --> 00:51:07,359
Speaker 1: he had like this thumb issue going on. I think

984
00:51:07,400 --> 00:51:11,080
Speaker 1: he broke his thumb. And I guess with the Braves

985
00:51:11,360 --> 00:51:15,200
Speaker 1: they seem to be in decent shape, although a couple

986
00:51:15,320 --> 00:51:17,600
Speaker 1: concerns on the pitching side with them and whether they'll

987
00:51:17,640 --> 00:51:20,480
Speaker 1: be one hundred percent ready for the season. That the

988
00:51:20,520 --> 00:51:24,040
Speaker 1: Marlins have been really fortunate in this regard that even

989
00:51:24,080 --> 00:51:26,600
Speaker 1: though on paper, these other teams have more established major

990
00:51:26,680 --> 00:51:29,319
Speaker 1: league talent, if they're not available to play, then they

991
00:51:29,360 --> 00:51:32,640
Speaker 1: won't be as tough, and all those inter division games

992
00:51:33,280 --> 00:51:37,600
Speaker 1: won't be necessarily automatic losses or they won't be even

993
00:51:37,760 --> 00:51:39,960
Speaker 1: losses fifty percent of that time. That maybe there's an

994
00:51:39,960 --> 00:51:43,040
Speaker 1: opportunity to steal some series from these rivals. So with

995
00:51:43,120 --> 00:51:46,480
Speaker 1: that tangent out of the way, what does the record

996
00:51:46,520 --> 00:51:48,880
Speaker 1: of the Marlins look like if they reach their ceiling,

997
00:51:48,920 --> 00:51:50,800
Speaker 1: if everything goes right for them.

998
00:51:51,239 --> 00:51:53,279
Speaker 2: I think ninety three and sixty nine will be a

999
00:51:53,280 --> 00:51:55,440
Speaker 2: good record for the Marlins because I think with that

1000
00:51:55,520 --> 00:51:58,120
Speaker 2: record will be good enough, maybe the second wild card spot.

1001
00:51:58,440 --> 00:52:00,680
Speaker 2: Maybe not so much in the division, just because how

1002
00:52:00,760 --> 00:52:03,840
Speaker 2: much this division has improved with you know, the different

1003
00:52:03,880 --> 00:52:08,200
Speaker 2: signings at the Mets, Nationals, Braves, and Phillies did this offseason.

1004
00:52:08,680 --> 00:52:10,799
Speaker 2: But I think ninety three wins and six to nine

1005
00:52:10,840 --> 00:52:14,240
Speaker 2: losses would just be a great number for the Marlins.

1006
00:52:14,239 --> 00:52:16,719
Speaker 2: I think that's probably their best case scenario, is making

1007
00:52:16,760 --> 00:52:20,200
Speaker 2: the wildcard the wildcard side to the playoffs, especially if

1008
00:52:20,200 --> 00:52:23,400
Speaker 2: they get the first wildcard side and it can host

1009
00:52:23,120 --> 00:52:26,160
Speaker 2: that wildcard game. I think would be the best case

1010
00:52:26,160 --> 00:52:27,720
Speaker 2: scenario for the Marlins.

1011
00:52:28,960 --> 00:52:33,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, somebody pointed out to me, I guess yesterday how

1012
00:52:33,760 --> 00:52:36,640
Speaker 1: this new sponsor, Loan Depot. They've very recently agreed to

1013
00:52:36,640 --> 00:52:39,920
Speaker 1: a deal to sponsor to be the presenting sponsor of

1014
00:52:40,000 --> 00:52:42,880
Speaker 1: the National League Championship Series as well. So the dream

1015
00:52:43,160 --> 00:52:45,360
Speaker 1: is that they make a deep run and host some

1016
00:52:45,440 --> 00:52:49,640
Speaker 1: games at Loan Depot Park during the National League Championship

1017
00:52:49,640 --> 00:52:53,040
Speaker 1: Series that sponsored that's presented by Loan Depot, that it

1018
00:52:53,400 --> 00:52:56,800
Speaker 1: can all come full circle in that way. I would

1019
00:52:56,800 --> 00:53:01,560
Speaker 1: have the ceiling a little bit lower on them in

1020
00:53:01,680 --> 00:53:04,920
Speaker 1: terms of the total wins, just because yeah, I don't

1021
00:53:04,960 --> 00:53:07,440
Speaker 1: think there's a scenario where it's like an elite regular

1022
00:53:07,480 --> 00:53:13,840
Speaker 1: season team and even honestly winning the division seems just

1023
00:53:13,880 --> 00:53:16,359
Speaker 1: a touch out of the realm of possibility. I do

1024
00:53:16,440 --> 00:53:19,120
Speaker 1: agree that there is a situation where they probably get

1025
00:53:19,239 --> 00:53:22,440
Speaker 1: enough for the wild card that I'll put it at

1026
00:53:22,760 --> 00:53:26,240
Speaker 1: right around to eighty nine wins. I'll go eighty nine

1027
00:53:26,520 --> 00:53:29,839
Speaker 1: and seventy three, it all goes right, and historically that

1028
00:53:30,200 --> 00:53:33,719
Speaker 1: usually gets you in as like the second wild card

1029
00:53:33,719 --> 00:53:36,800
Speaker 1: team in the league under what was the old playoff

1030
00:53:36,840 --> 00:53:39,279
Speaker 1: system and what's the new playoff system, that maybe, if

1031
00:53:39,280 --> 00:53:42,399
Speaker 1: it all falls right, they get in that way where

1032
00:53:42,400 --> 00:53:44,960
Speaker 1: they could be a legitimately good team, not a dominant team,

1033
00:53:45,000 --> 00:53:49,160
Speaker 1: but legitimately good and the first time that they've been

1034
00:53:49,200 --> 00:53:52,439
Speaker 1: at that level since two thousand and three. I mean,

1035
00:53:52,680 --> 00:53:54,919
Speaker 1: just as I'll give you a quick quiz before we

1036
00:53:55,000 --> 00:53:57,520
Speaker 1: move on to the final segment. How many was the

1037
00:53:57,560 --> 00:54:00,960
Speaker 1: record that the Marlins had in their World Championship Series

1038
00:54:00,960 --> 00:54:03,359
Speaker 1: in ninety seven and then two thousand and three? What

1039
00:54:03,400 --> 00:54:06,640
Speaker 1: was their regular season record in both those years?

1040
00:54:07,080 --> 00:54:08,920
Speaker 2: Oh, man, you're dating me. In ninety seven, I was

1041
00:54:08,920 --> 00:54:12,680
Speaker 2: born in ninety eight. For ninety seven, I believe they

1042
00:54:12,800 --> 00:54:16,160
Speaker 2: have it must have been eighty seven wins, because I

1043
00:54:16,160 --> 00:54:18,440
Speaker 2: don't think the Marlins I know on either side never

1044
00:54:18,440 --> 00:54:20,280
Speaker 2: won the division, So it had to have been around

1045
00:54:20,280 --> 00:54:23,239
Speaker 2: in the eighty mark for ninety seven and then for

1046
00:54:24,600 --> 00:54:27,520
Speaker 2: two thousand and three, I think it was eighty nine.

1047
00:54:27,560 --> 00:54:29,239
Speaker 2: I don't think they got ninety wins in any of

1048
00:54:29,239 --> 00:54:34,160
Speaker 2: those two seasons. Making the making the playoffs.

1049
00:54:33,680 --> 00:54:36,640
Speaker 1: You're selling them a little short. Ninety seven they won,

1050
00:54:37,000 --> 00:54:39,600
Speaker 1: ninety two and seventy they won ninety two that year,

1051
00:54:39,880 --> 00:54:42,279
Speaker 1: and then in three almost the same thing, ninety one

1052
00:54:42,520 --> 00:54:46,359
Speaker 1: and seventy one. But I think the point stands where

1053
00:54:46,360 --> 00:54:48,960
Speaker 1: you're saying, there's a possibility that they have even more

1054
00:54:49,000 --> 00:54:51,560
Speaker 1: wins this year than they've ever had before, if you're

1055
00:54:51,560 --> 00:54:53,520
Speaker 1: putting it at ninety three, where you see a scenario

1056
00:54:53,560 --> 00:54:57,319
Speaker 1: where they're equally as good as world championship teams, if

1057
00:54:57,360 --> 00:55:00,279
Speaker 1: not a little bit better. And so that's where I

1058
00:55:00,360 --> 00:55:02,040
Speaker 1: kind of draw the line a little bit, where I

1059
00:55:02,080 --> 00:55:06,040
Speaker 1: see this one being a tier below. One of the

1060
00:55:06,080 --> 00:55:09,200
Speaker 1: key X factors I guess just round it off, is

1061
00:55:09,239 --> 00:55:13,240
Speaker 1: how quickly this new money is injected into the vegins

1062
00:55:13,280 --> 00:55:15,359
Speaker 1: of the team, Like how quickly do they put it in?

1063
00:55:15,440 --> 00:55:18,560
Speaker 1: Are they willing to make more mid season upgrades this

1064
00:55:18,680 --> 00:55:20,800
Speaker 1: year on top of who they already have on the payroll,

1065
00:55:21,160 --> 00:55:24,520
Speaker 1: in order to make that push to be determined, they

1066
00:55:24,560 --> 00:55:26,799
Speaker 1: haven't shown the willingness to do that over a full

1067
00:55:26,840 --> 00:55:29,440
Speaker 1: length season. Of course, they got Marte last year in

1068
00:55:29,440 --> 00:55:31,920
Speaker 1: a similar situation. Will they add on top of that

1069
00:55:32,360 --> 00:55:36,000
Speaker 1: with this new money? Wait to see. It's a little

1070
00:55:36,400 --> 00:55:40,160
Speaker 1: I'm still a little skeptical about that. Definitely a lot

1071
00:55:40,200 --> 00:55:42,440
Speaker 1: to look forward to, though, potential for things to go

1072
00:55:43,080 --> 00:55:46,080
Speaker 1: really well. And the final note we wanted to end

1073
00:55:46,120 --> 00:55:49,759
Speaker 1: on here was reflecting on our twenty twenty one Fish

1074
00:55:49,760 --> 00:55:54,040
Speaker 1: Stripes Marlins Hall of Fame voting process. We held the balloting,

1075
00:55:54,120 --> 00:55:55,960
Speaker 1: I guess we held that last week right, and then

1076
00:55:56,000 --> 00:55:59,120
Speaker 1: I counted up the votes last weekends, and we are

1077
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Speaker 1: going to be revealing results this weekends. I think on Sunday,

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Speaker 1: during that first off day of the regular season, I'll

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Speaker 1: be announcing who got in. Let's see, do you know,

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Speaker 1: off the top of your head all the guys you

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Speaker 1: voted for, and you want to just go through them

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Speaker 1: one by one. I'll fill in the blanks in case I.

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Speaker 3: Have them right here.

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Speaker 2: The first one Josh Beckett five years three, forty cra

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Speaker 2: World Series MVP, one of the best postseason pitchers in

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Speaker 2: Marlin's history.

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Speaker 3: Second, I had a J.

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Speaker 2: Burnett, one of the longest tenured Marlin's on that list

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00:56:32,560 --> 00:56:36,239
Speaker 2: seven years three point seven era. He had a no

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Speaker 2: headed in two thousand and one. It was the third

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Speaker 2: and team history, which is really great for the Marlin times.

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Speaker 2: That and then also Levon Hernandez World Series MVP ninety's seven,

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Speaker 2: one of the youngest to do it at twenty two

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Speaker 2: years old. And before that in the Championship Series I

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Speaker 2: believe fifteen strike.

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Speaker 3: Ups versus Atlanta.

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Speaker 2: And then after that, probably the best catcher in Marlin's history,

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Speaker 2: Charles Johnson seven years, two time also on Champion, four

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Speaker 2: time Goal Glove Award winner, and also what he does

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Speaker 2: in the community now for Miami. You always see him

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Speaker 2: as the love sponsor when they're doing out to the

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Speaker 2: community service. So I think Charles Johnson would be great

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Speaker 2: for the Hall of Fame. Here another one Juan Pierre,

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Speaker 2: And I was a little surprised seeing Jan Pierre, especially

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Speaker 2: how long he's played with the Marlins, only four years,

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Speaker 2: because I thought it was like eight ten years. Because

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Speaker 2: the every year you see Juan Pierre on the roster,

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Speaker 2: but one of the best base Steelers in Marlin's history,

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Speaker 2: led the league in two thousand and three World Series

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Speaker 2: champion over one hundred and ninety stolen bases in his

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Speaker 2: career for Miami. Another one Hanley Ramirez three hundred batting average,

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Speaker 2: Rookie of the Year, two times Silver Slugger for his award,

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Speaker 2: it goes thirty for thirty all nine batting Tiger winning

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Speaker 2: Edgar Interaria, one time All Star, played three years, win

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Speaker 2: the World Series, had the game winning hit in ninety seven,

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Speaker 2: and then another one.

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Speaker 3: This might get a little.

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Speaker 2: Slack because just about the years he played is Yvonnra

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Speaker 2: Driguez only played one year with the Marlins, didn't make

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Speaker 2: the All Star Game, wasn't his MVP stuff as he

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Speaker 2: was with the Rangers, but he did win. His only

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Speaker 2: World Series with the Marlins was NLCS MVP. It was

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Speaker 2: actually had the team record in Marland's history at that

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Speaker 2: time for most RBIs by a catcher with eighty five.

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Speaker 2: And then I had Gian Carlos standon. I think everyone

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Speaker 2: listening to this knows everything about Ghan Carlos standing because

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Speaker 2: of how recent it was. Fifty nine home runs MVP,

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Speaker 2: the next one, Dan Agler. Dan Agler was so I

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Speaker 2: think was something special in between those years like six

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Speaker 2: until around twenty ten when they were still the Florida Marlins.

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Speaker 2: I think just Dan Angeler was severely underrated, especially home

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Speaker 2: run hitting. Had over one hundred and fifty two times

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Speaker 2: All Star Silver Slugger, twenty ten, thirty Book of the

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Speaker 2: Year voting, and another really interesting fact that he had

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Speaker 2: a stat he had over twenty seven home runs and

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Speaker 2: each year with the Marlins, and he had over thirty

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Speaker 2: home runs for those years, I believe thirty one thirty

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Speaker 2: three was his most. And then for my riding, I

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Speaker 2: had Antonio Offlin Sega six years with the Marlins, three

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Speaker 2: point eighty six BRA, over one hundred saves, over three

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Speaker 2: hundred and sixty nine holds.

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Speaker 3: World Series Champion. He was actually twenty.

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Speaker 2: Second and MVP voting in two thousand, which is really

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00:59:23,040 --> 00:59:26,400
Speaker 2: something to see for a reliever. An he won Reliever

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Speaker 2: of the Year that year also in the National League.

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Speaker 2: And that's my Hall of Fame voting. Some players for

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Speaker 2: this year, a lot of position players, pitchers.

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Speaker 3: It ranges from guys with.

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Speaker 2: Have been eight years to only one guy with a

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Speaker 2: single season, but That's why I voted for for the

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Speaker 2: Hall of Fame for fish stripes.

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Speaker 1: A lot of overlap between yours. In mind, I was

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Speaker 1: a little bit more exclusive. A lot of the same

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Speaker 1: names though Beckett and CJ. Charles Johnson, Wanpierre Hanley, Jean Carlos,

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Speaker 1: Stanton Dan AUGLA. One difference that I had was Josh Johnson.

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Speaker 1: Johnston was simply put one of the best pitchers in

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Speaker 1: baseball at his peak, and it was a short peak

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Speaker 1: because of injuries, but two thousand and nine to early

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Speaker 1: twenty eleven, there's really no argument that he was in

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Speaker 1: that very top tier of pitchers. He was durable before

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Speaker 1: that injury kind of changed him. In twenty eleven. He

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Speaker 1: kept the ball in the ballpark and yet he missed bats,

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Speaker 1: and he consistently worked deep into games. He was just

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Speaker 1: a phenomenally well rounded pitcher. He was a two time

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Speaker 1: All Star. He was fifth in Siung voting in twenty ten,

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Speaker 1: and he was one of the early front runners for

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Speaker 1: Siung voting in twenty eleven before getting hurt and finishing

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Speaker 1: with only nine starts that year. Never got to taste

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Speaker 1: the postseason, and even though he got traded, still in

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Speaker 1: his twenties with a couple of years left on his contract.

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Speaker 1: He is someone that ranks very highly up there on

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Speaker 1: a lot of career leaderboards for the Marlins in terms

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Speaker 1: of regular and stats. Never had the team around him

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Speaker 1: again to the postseason, but eight hundred plus strikeouts with

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Speaker 1: the Marlins three point fifteen ERA during those years, and

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Speaker 1: fielder independent pitching was just as good that he was

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Speaker 1: really fun to watch for that brief glimmer of time,

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Speaker 1: that shooting star that we had with the Marlins. And

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Speaker 1: I said, I'm going to hold off on announcing who

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Speaker 1: the inductees until this first off day of the regular season,

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Speaker 1: but there are going to be quite a few of them.

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Speaker 1: I'll give that teaser away that several of the players

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Speaker 1: that you voted for did get enough to get in.

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Speaker 1: For most players, it was a seventy percent threshold, seventy

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Speaker 1: percent of the vote for some of the new players.

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Speaker 1: For Stanton, because he's part of the Miami era, I

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Speaker 1: raised the threshold. I said, eighty five percent vote needed

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Speaker 1: to get in, and he was right around there. You'll

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Speaker 1: have to find out whether or not he cleared that

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Speaker 1: threshold or not. It was a tough bar to clear

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Speaker 1: that's coming up soon. In the meantime, we went over

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Speaker 1: time with this. This is more thorough than I expected,

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Speaker 1: but I'm sure the fans will appreciate it. With Daniel

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Speaker 1: Rodriguez and Eli Susman, we're putting this together for the

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Speaker 1: podcast feed and getting some rest because then I need

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Speaker 1: to host our live stream tomorrow, fish Stripes Live, our

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Speaker 1: first experiment with live streaming across Twitter, Periscope, and YouTube.

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Speaker 1: Fans are invited to join. Just look at the pinned

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Speaker 1: tweets in our Fish Stripes Twitter account for details for

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Speaker 1: inviting people to come along with us. So that should

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Speaker 1: be a mess, but it should be a beautiful mess,

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Speaker 1: and I'm looking forward to it very much. So Daniel

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Speaker 1: and Eli, this pot will be up on Thursday, and

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Speaker 1: then we're gonna have a small pot again on Friday,

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Speaker 1: and Daniel's going to be at the ballpark doing credentialed

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Speaker 1: coverage for that Friday game in the Marlins Rays series.

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Speaker 1: Looking forward to an exciting opening day and a twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty one season. So remember at Loan Depot Park, That's

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Speaker 1: going to take a while to get used to it,

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Speaker 1: but they are going to be the home of the

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Speaker 1: Marlins during this very eventfully you're coming up, so thanks

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Speaker 1: as always for the support. Continue listening to us wherever

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Speaker 1: you get your podcasts. Has Go Fish has Wear Blue,

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