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Speaker 1: It's time to back.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, right, we live? What the hell are we?

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Speaker 2: I'm being trapped in a basement here. No, hey, it's

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Speaker 2: Morning Combat Live in Direct Friday, October eighteenth, twenty twenty four.

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Speaker 2: And I didn't have enough time to really make this

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Speaker 2: put the lotion in the basket. That's Luke Thomas from Washington, DC,

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Speaker 2: And this sometimes is the best damn combat sports show

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Speaker 2: really that they ever created. Luke, what would you say

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Speaker 2: I look like right now? Besides very pale?

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Speaker 3: I mean this is true both literally and metaphorically. Your

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Speaker 3: And you also are streaming on a motorola from two

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Speaker 2: So that there we go, There we go, flip phone

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Speaker 2: and the flip phone motorola. Indeed, right there, as long

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Speaker 2: as you can hear and see me, I am alive

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Speaker 2: and direct from Orlando, Orlando, Florida. Excuse me where Saturday night?

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Speaker 2: Of course PBC's back on Prime video. Tim Zoo will

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Speaker 2: get into that. But LT we do this every Friday.

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Speaker 2: Now they even pay us for it. It does feel

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Speaker 2: good to be back, despite my technical difficulties. I just

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Speaker 3: All right, Yeah, I also took a dump the size

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Speaker 2: Texas forever Street. Indeed, all right here, let let me uh,

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Speaker 3: It goes? Okay, it's fall I like your Hey, let's

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Speaker 3: a UFC card this weekend, by the way, man event

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Speaker 3: for the UFC card, very very good, very good, as

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Speaker 3: well as DJ Dimitrius Johnson Mighty Mouse will be here

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Speaker 2: All right, I'm now sitting on a pillow. I'm more

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Speaker 2: up to your height, Long Island, Luke. On the ones

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Speaker 2: and TUESDA, we have you there, sir. After spending all

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Speaker 5: You got me, man. It was a rough setup. We

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Speaker 2: It's the way he was right. Indeed, thank you.

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Speaker 3: I'm getting a fifty five dollars haircut after this, which

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Speaker 3: for DC is a steal.

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Speaker 2: Did that come with all right? I forget it. Forget

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Speaker 2: I was gonna say, does that come with DC service

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Speaker 2: workers giving you a piece of their mind? Too? It

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Speaker 2: always does. But as Luke said, we do have a

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Speaker 2: fantastic show for today for as long as my setup lasts.

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Speaker 2: But I do plan on mastering this new road set

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Speaker 2: It is a big combat weekend. Luke already nailed a

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Speaker 2: Eastern time, Luke, they can purchase our merch which I'm

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Speaker 2: currently not wearing. But you can go to Morningcombat Dot

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Speaker 2: Sorry we get that fantastic shirt that Luke has on.

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Speaker 2: I am? I waited too long to set this up

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Speaker 2: Yeah, a good, good summation of what he brings to

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Speaker 2: So Luke, when you look at the competition, I mean,

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Speaker 3: So there's just some big differences there. And you talk

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Speaker 2: Well, I've said it before. I think it's actually better

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Speaker 3: Pretty concerned. And I mean you mentioned he bounced back

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Speaker 3: Francis should win, but honestly I can't. I cannot stress

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's that's that's that's about right. I mean,

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Speaker 3: that was nothing we worked on. I mean, that was

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00:20:51,240 --> 00:20:53,560
Speaker 3: absolutely nothing like there was. He just went in there

431
00:20:53,560 --> 00:20:55,639
Speaker 3: and just donked it up, and because he's big Francis,

432
00:20:56,119 --> 00:20:59,359
Speaker 3: it worked. Now again, we're four years past that. He

433
00:20:59,520 --> 00:21:02,680
Speaker 3: is much more experience as a combat athlete. Like, there's

434
00:21:02,720 --> 00:21:05,880
Speaker 3: a lot of meaningful differences, but this is what I mean.

435
00:21:05,960 --> 00:21:08,399
Speaker 3: It's like, there are ways in which this could go

436
00:21:08,520 --> 00:21:12,480
Speaker 3: sideways for him, especially against a quicker, very dominant puncher

437
00:21:12,560 --> 00:21:15,240
Speaker 3: in Fajda Faheta is limited. He's very limited, but he

438
00:21:15,359 --> 00:21:18,120
Speaker 3: is dangerous and against a guy with all these questions,

439
00:21:18,400 --> 00:21:21,560
Speaker 3: I get these odds. Well, Luke, what do you what

440
00:21:21,800 --> 00:21:25,320
Speaker 3: would you say is the appropriate betting perspective here?

441
00:21:26,359 --> 00:21:26,719
Speaker 6: Uh?

442
00:21:26,760 --> 00:21:30,120
Speaker 5: Staying away from both of them, Honestly, I think Francis

443
00:21:30,119 --> 00:21:32,479
Speaker 5: probably wins. There's not a lot of value on taking Francis.

444
00:21:32,520 --> 00:21:34,560
Speaker 5: There's not a lot of value on taking Francis by Ko.

445
00:21:34,680 --> 00:21:37,720
Speaker 5: It's minus one eighty five. I'm gonna go the over

446
00:21:37,840 --> 00:21:39,639
Speaker 5: one and a half. It's plus one.

447
00:21:39,640 --> 00:21:41,760
Speaker 6: Forty five, and I think there's a solid chance this

448
00:21:41,880 --> 00:21:42,840
Speaker 6: goes a little long.

449
00:21:43,160 --> 00:21:45,760
Speaker 5: Francis might be a little hesitant coming off that knockout,

450
00:21:45,760 --> 00:21:46,720
Speaker 5: And that's just how I read it.

451
00:21:47,040 --> 00:21:49,600
Speaker 3: If you won the money that Francis won, would you

452
00:21:49,600 --> 00:21:50,520
Speaker 3: get a better haircut?

453
00:21:51,560 --> 00:21:51,800
Speaker 1: Uh?

454
00:21:51,880 --> 00:21:53,720
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, for sure, for sure?

455
00:21:54,920 --> 00:21:58,520
Speaker 2: So uh Behema has only gone the distance and one

456
00:21:59,080 --> 00:22:05,159
Speaker 2: one time was against Carl Sumina Tufa of Wow. I

457
00:22:05,320 --> 00:22:08,000
Speaker 2: just have a seizure live on the air in June

458
00:22:08,040 --> 00:22:10,280
Speaker 2: of twenty one. That's so if I hate his experience

459
00:22:10,320 --> 00:22:10,560
Speaker 2: going to.

460
00:22:11,280 --> 00:22:14,000
Speaker 3: Right, he's a former bellat or donk I think Matt

461
00:22:14,080 --> 00:22:15,359
Speaker 3: what's his name? Falludham?

462
00:22:15,440 --> 00:22:18,199
Speaker 2: I forget Yeah, I'll just pronounce some guacamole like you

463
00:22:18,240 --> 00:22:20,560
Speaker 2: did that time to that Hawaiian fighter and then the internet.

464
00:22:20,600 --> 00:22:23,400
Speaker 3: I don't think what a Hawaiian fighter did I call guacamole?

465
00:22:23,680 --> 00:22:25,600
Speaker 2: I saw it at mk Reddit and I laughed my

466
00:22:25,640 --> 00:22:27,280
Speaker 2: face off and then moved on with my life, you

467
00:22:27,359 --> 00:22:29,919
Speaker 2: know what I mean? There we go Luke, before we

468
00:22:29,960 --> 00:22:34,760
Speaker 2: make our picks. This belt at Steak is you know, ceremonial.

469
00:22:34,800 --> 00:22:37,960
Speaker 2: It seems good. Do you think there's anything else at

470
00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:43,000
Speaker 2: Steak beyond hashtag lineal heads saying Francis is still the

471
00:22:43,040 --> 00:22:46,920
Speaker 2: lineal heavyweight champion, so this in some cases matters more

472
00:22:46,960 --> 00:22:49,920
Speaker 2: than any of the promotional titles, which I don't agree with.

473
00:22:50,240 --> 00:22:53,160
Speaker 2: I think the lineal argument works better in boxing due

474
00:22:53,160 --> 00:22:57,959
Speaker 2: to the crazy proliferation of you know, meaningless belts. Do

475
00:22:58,000 --> 00:23:01,840
Speaker 2: you see any meaning here beyond just I mean, if

476
00:23:01,840 --> 00:23:04,359
Speaker 2: Francis wins, it's a great shot in the arm for

477
00:23:04,400 --> 00:23:06,680
Speaker 2: PFL to be able to keep going on this idea

478
00:23:07,080 --> 00:23:09,440
Speaker 2: that we have the best heavyweight. So, hey, UFC and

479
00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:12,200
Speaker 2: John Jones, when you're ready, let's do this. What else

480
00:23:12,200 --> 00:23:13,080
Speaker 2: do you think is at stake?

481
00:23:14,320 --> 00:23:16,560
Speaker 3: The lineal title is a big one because the implications

482
00:23:16,560 --> 00:23:18,720
Speaker 3: are pretty big for that, even though PFL has done

483
00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:21,280
Speaker 3: their damnedest to not promote that whatsoever this week, and

484
00:23:21,320 --> 00:23:28,080
Speaker 3: another move that is baffling beyond words. I definitely feel

485
00:23:28,119 --> 00:23:31,760
Speaker 3: like it's like, obviously, for hand if Ahead, if he lost,

486
00:23:31,800 --> 00:23:33,800
Speaker 3: this would be devastating for him if he wanted to

487
00:23:33,840 --> 00:23:35,760
Speaker 3: be the biggest win of his career would be huge, right,

488
00:23:35,760 --> 00:23:38,399
Speaker 3: It could be really important for him. Plus, if Fajita

489
00:23:38,440 --> 00:23:41,960
Speaker 3: wins BC, you would imagine they're going to do a rematch, probably, right.

490
00:23:42,119 --> 00:23:43,600
Speaker 2: So they get another pay per view out of it,

491
00:23:43,640 --> 00:23:43,960
Speaker 2: to be fair.

492
00:23:44,160 --> 00:23:46,520
Speaker 3: Exactly right, That's exactly right. But I feel like the

493
00:23:46,560 --> 00:23:50,080
Speaker 3: other thing you have to consider is if Francis. If

494
00:23:50,119 --> 00:23:52,359
Speaker 3: Francis looks good and then just makes an error and

495
00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:54,240
Speaker 3: gets slept, I don't know how bad that is, because

496
00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:56,720
Speaker 3: they'll just do the rematch. But if Francis just doesn't

497
00:23:56,760 --> 00:24:01,879
Speaker 3: get any offense really going and also gets slept, that

498
00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:04,600
Speaker 3: would be quite bad. That would be quite bad because

499
00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:06,320
Speaker 3: if he goes in there and he gets a win

500
00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:09,080
Speaker 3: and I know this is an unrelated sport or or

501
00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:11,439
Speaker 3: you know, let me finish the point, if he goes

502
00:24:11,480 --> 00:24:13,280
Speaker 3: in there and gets the win over a big puncher

503
00:24:13,680 --> 00:24:16,639
Speaker 3: like Fajeda. You know, I don't have a lot of

504
00:24:16,720 --> 00:24:20,240
Speaker 3: interest in watching Francis and Ganu box Deontay Wilder, but

505
00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:23,919
Speaker 3: it at least breathed some life into that. If he

506
00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:26,679
Speaker 3: gets viciously ko, he'll have another fight in PFL, But

507
00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:28,679
Speaker 3: I don't know what the boxing world would do with

508
00:24:28,760 --> 00:24:31,280
Speaker 3: him at that point. You can forgive, you know, he's

509
00:24:31,280 --> 00:24:33,080
Speaker 3: already Z and two, but you can forgive getting slept

510
00:24:33,119 --> 00:24:35,080
Speaker 3: by Anthony Joshua Hey, he got over his skis. They

511
00:24:35,119 --> 00:24:37,000
Speaker 3: did perform well against Tyson Ferial that we can now

512
00:24:37,040 --> 00:24:41,359
Speaker 3: see that maybe that was somewhat flukeish, But at the

513
00:24:41,359 --> 00:24:45,840
Speaker 3: same time, you know, the Deontay Wilder thing, I don't

514
00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:47,679
Speaker 3: I don't want to see it, but it would be

515
00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:51,160
Speaker 3: a decent payday for him, and I think that would

516
00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:53,159
Speaker 3: I think that would all but go away. So like

517
00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:59,480
Speaker 3: sort of kind of how this looks and what Francis does,

518
00:24:59,560 --> 00:25:01,920
Speaker 3: I think how an impact on whether he even boxes again.

519
00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:02,879
Speaker 3: That's kind of big.

520
00:25:03,840 --> 00:25:06,200
Speaker 2: I agree with you. There's a lot of weird stuff

521
00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:09,680
Speaker 2: here at stake for Francis's future, and the PFLs tied in.

522
00:25:09,920 --> 00:25:11,760
Speaker 2: I like what Long Island Luke said. If you're gonna

523
00:25:11,760 --> 00:25:13,920
Speaker 2: bet the over under here, that round and a half

524
00:25:14,040 --> 00:25:17,560
Speaker 2: is interesting considering how a little experience Fajita has going

525
00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:19,840
Speaker 2: past the first or the first and a half of

526
00:25:19,880 --> 00:25:23,119
Speaker 2: a round in a fight and having great success. Ultimately,

527
00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:25,960
Speaker 2: though Luke I got a lean on the experience of Francis,

528
00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:28,720
Speaker 2: I do think ultimately he has the biggest weapons in

529
00:25:28,760 --> 00:25:31,720
Speaker 2: the fight, even though I certainly respect Fajita's knockout run

530
00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:34,040
Speaker 2: and what he brings to the table, I think Francis

531
00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:36,119
Speaker 2: will get hit, and I think there's maybe some moments

532
00:25:36,119 --> 00:25:39,399
Speaker 2: early where you know, maybe even wobbled. But when he

533
00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:43,360
Speaker 2: sits in that pocket, sets up a counter right hand

534
00:25:43,359 --> 00:25:46,280
Speaker 2: and lands the big one, he could still remind us

535
00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:49,640
Speaker 2: at thirty eight who Francis and Ghano is, even if

536
00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:51,760
Speaker 2: it doesn't tell the full story about where he's at

537
00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:54,560
Speaker 2: in his career. I got a lean on that experience,

538
00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:59,080
Speaker 2: that power, and the character, knowing all the turmoil he's

539
00:25:59,119 --> 00:26:03,440
Speaker 2: been through again would be major red flags for anyone else. Somehow,

540
00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:06,199
Speaker 2: in a weird reverse way, I almost think it's going

541
00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:10,240
Speaker 2: to drive Francis to some breakthrough performance. Give me Francis

542
00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:13,040
Speaker 2: and Ganu by knockout, and when you're talking about the

543
00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:16,080
Speaker 2: over under, I'm going to go just slightly over. I'm

544
00:26:16,119 --> 00:26:18,840
Speaker 2: going to go mid to late second round there. I

545
00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:22,000
Speaker 2: think he gets touched early. I think there's some tense moments,

546
00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:26,159
Speaker 2: but if this turns into a sustained battle, that power,

547
00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:28,800
Speaker 2: that technique, that experience is going to win out and

548
00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:31,720
Speaker 2: sustained relative terms, I don't think it goes past two.

549
00:26:33,280 --> 00:26:38,880
Speaker 3: I'll lean big Francis beating better guys, been on bigger stages,

550
00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:43,320
Speaker 3: has more ways to win. He should win. But I

551
00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:47,000
Speaker 3: cannot be clear, Like I don't want to hear anyone

552
00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:49,120
Speaker 3: be like, oh, how could this happen? If he loses,

553
00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:52,240
Speaker 3: it is very much on the table. And if it

554
00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:54,439
Speaker 3: had a losing, big is on the table too, Like

555
00:26:54,440 --> 00:26:56,360
Speaker 3: it could you know Ryan baderfight, You mentioned how long

556
00:26:56,400 --> 00:26:59,160
Speaker 3: was that fight? He's like twenty two seconds seconds. Yeah,

557
00:26:59,240 --> 00:27:00,959
Speaker 3: I mean it could look like that in either direction,

558
00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:02,080
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. But I just want to

559
00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:06,000
Speaker 3: be clear to people. Nothing about Francis losing should that happen,

560
00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:09,040
Speaker 3: is in any way surprising. There's a lot of reasons

561
00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:09,840
Speaker 3: why that could happen.

562
00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:14,440
Speaker 2: All right, let's get to this absolutely fantastic co main event.

563
00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:17,080
Speaker 2: It took a long time for Chris Cyborg, as it

564
00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:19,560
Speaker 2: did for a lot of Belator people in this new

565
00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:23,399
Speaker 2: merged pf eleatoor Era to get the big fight that

566
00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:27,199
Speaker 2: she wanted. She's finally got it. Larissa Pacheco, who may

567
00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:29,439
Speaker 2: have lost twice to Kayla Harrison but came back and

568
00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:32,080
Speaker 2: defeated her in that upset win to win the million

569
00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:34,640
Speaker 2: dollars in the PFL title at one fifty five, moved

570
00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:37,359
Speaker 2: down to one forty five the next year without Kayla,

571
00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:40,320
Speaker 2: and did it again at the peak of her powers

572
00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:44,479
Speaker 2: in her game. Is Pacheco and this matchup crossroads matchup

573
00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:48,320
Speaker 2: in a lot of ways between highly touted Brazilian sluggers.

574
00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:51,080
Speaker 2: As we look at the odds in this women's featherweight

575
00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:53,879
Speaker 2: belt at champiter about no belts on the line, not

576
00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:58,480
Speaker 2: even a ceremonial one plus one twenty four the legend

577
00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:03,800
Speaker 2: the veteran Chris Cyborg minus one forty eight for Larissa

578
00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:09,040
Speaker 2: Pacheco now Luke Cyborg, thirty nine years old but largely ageless.

579
00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:11,560
Speaker 2: When was the last time we saw her? October of

580
00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:15,000
Speaker 2: last year when she stopped Katzangano in the first round.

581
00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:19,080
Speaker 2: Hasn't fought in this new era of pf elatur What

582
00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:21,840
Speaker 2: are your expectations? We talk about Francis at thirty eight

583
00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:25,600
Speaker 2: in the questions are there questions following Cyborg again? I

584
00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:27,960
Speaker 2: feel like we've been bringing up the age thing really

585
00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:30,639
Speaker 2: ever since she's been thirty five, but she just hasn't

586
00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:33,520
Speaker 2: shown us enough reason to think it's caught up with her.

587
00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:37,000
Speaker 2: She seems ageless. This has gotta be though, on paper,

588
00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:40,160
Speaker 2: the toughest fight she's had, maybe since Amanda Nunis.

589
00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:47,040
Speaker 3: Dude thirty nine is ancient in women's MMA. It's not

590
00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:50,000
Speaker 3: a death sentence because obviously Holly Holm is still competing

591
00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:52,000
Speaker 3: and she's past forty, but she's.

592
00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:53,880
Speaker 2: Not winning though, she's not winning big anymore.

593
00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:55,520
Speaker 3: Fair enough, but I mean, Holly Holmes also in the

594
00:28:55,520 --> 00:28:58,200
Speaker 3: International Boxing Hall of Fame, like this is her second sport.

595
00:28:58,240 --> 00:29:00,719
Speaker 3: You know, we're talking about a very special athlete. And

596
00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:03,080
Speaker 3: Cyborg is too. Cyborg has held a belt in literally

597
00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:05,240
Speaker 3: every organization she's ever fought in I think you know

598
00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:08,400
Speaker 3: what I mean, So every major organization. She's very very unique.

599
00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:11,000
Speaker 3: She has kept herself busy, kind of like in Ganu.

600
00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:14,760
Speaker 3: With boxing, that's not nothing that's gonna be valuable for her.

601
00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:17,200
Speaker 3: She is, you know, more well rounded than most of

602
00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:19,840
Speaker 3: her contemporaries. And Pacheco I'll do it. I forget that.

603
00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:21,920
Speaker 3: Pacheco even fought in the UFC a couple of times,

604
00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:25,640
Speaker 3: didn't look great and then you know, you just it's like, wow,

605
00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:27,840
Speaker 3: how did she get here? Well, she was like really

606
00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:30,400
Speaker 3: unprepared for the UFC at that time. She signed way

607
00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:33,240
Speaker 3: too early, and now at thirty years of age, nine

608
00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:36,040
Speaker 3: years the junior of Chris Cyborg, she's really begin to

609
00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:39,120
Speaker 3: put things together. She lost twice previously the Kayla Harrison,

610
00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:40,560
Speaker 3: I believe, and then obviously in the last one she

611
00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:41,720
Speaker 3: was able to get the win and it was a

612
00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:44,479
Speaker 3: pretty clear one at that she can go the distance.

613
00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:46,640
Speaker 3: She's been pushed in five round fights. She can obviously

614
00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:48,680
Speaker 3: has dynamite power, but she can do a lot more

615
00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:52,000
Speaker 3: than that as well. And so the question for me

616
00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:54,560
Speaker 3: about Chris Cyborg is obviously age is a big one,

617
00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:57,400
Speaker 3: you know, and also like what kind of fight she's

618
00:29:57,480 --> 00:30:01,200
Speaker 3: gonna fight here? You know, she gonna try out point Pacheco,

619
00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:05,960
Speaker 3: especially if Pacheco can take her punches and deliver more

620
00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:07,840
Speaker 3: volume back. Is she going to bite down on the

621
00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:10,240
Speaker 3: mouthpiece Amanda Nunez style, you know, which is a little

622
00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:12,920
Speaker 3: bit uncharacteristic, but it was something that she did and

623
00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:15,800
Speaker 3: has done in other fights a little bit along the way.

624
00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:17,880
Speaker 3: It's just really a question of like what kind of

625
00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:21,480
Speaker 3: durability does she have left in thirty nine. If anyone's

626
00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:24,200
Speaker 3: going to have longevity, it is going to be Chris Cyborg.

627
00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:26,320
Speaker 3: She has taken great care of her body in general

628
00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:29,760
Speaker 3: and has really well rounded skills, and part of that

629
00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:32,160
Speaker 3: well rounded in this BC, especially late in her career,

630
00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:36,000
Speaker 3: has been just sort of better defensive priority. She's just

631
00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:37,680
Speaker 3: put a lot more emphasis on it. I think that

632
00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:39,760
Speaker 3: will help her. So it's one of those cases where

633
00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:41,760
Speaker 3: you can kind of say not the same things, but

634
00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:43,880
Speaker 3: some of the same things. She's been on bigger stages.

635
00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:46,600
Speaker 3: She's fought and defeated what we think would be better competition,

636
00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:49,560
Speaker 3: but there's a big age gap. They have the same reach.

637
00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:54,560
Speaker 3: Pacheco is really coming into her prime. I think, I

638
00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:56,520
Speaker 3: don't know, this is a tough fight for Cyborg. This

639
00:30:56,600 --> 00:30:58,520
Speaker 3: is a really really tough fight for her right she

640
00:30:58,800 --> 00:31:01,800
Speaker 3: can win, but it's gonna take a lot.

641
00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:04,520
Speaker 2: I fully agree with you. And if you look at Pacheco,

642
00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:06,760
Speaker 2: you mentioned that two fight stretch in the UFC that

643
00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:09,560
Speaker 2: came back in beginning in twenty fourteen. She was submitted

644
00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:12,760
Speaker 2: by Jessica Androge and then stopped in the second round

645
00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:16,440
Speaker 2: by Jermaine Durandemy the following year in twenty fifteen, then

646
00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:18,760
Speaker 2: goes to the PFL. But ever since she lost that

647
00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:22,120
Speaker 2: second fight to Kayla Harrison right before the pandemic New

648
00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:24,880
Speaker 2: Year's Eve of twenty nineteen. She took off a year

649
00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:27,480
Speaker 2: and a half because PFL didn't operate during twenty twenty,

650
00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:31,360
Speaker 2: and she's ten and oher was seven knockouts since then.

651
00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:34,440
Speaker 2: So in a lot of ways, Pacheco is the new

652
00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:37,440
Speaker 2: Cyborg in so many ways, seems to be getting better

653
00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:40,440
Speaker 2: with each fight, the more experience she adds. As tough

654
00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:42,680
Speaker 2: as nails, can knock you out with both hands at

655
00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:46,440
Speaker 2: seemingly any point. Luke, the last time we saw Cyborg

656
00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:48,479
Speaker 2: in a like I said, a really tough fight, a

657
00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:51,440
Speaker 2: really really big fight was that Amanda Newness one, and

658
00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:54,800
Speaker 2: I was shocked being cage shied for that amazing fight

659
00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:57,240
Speaker 2: for as long as it lasted, in that amazing pop

660
00:31:57,280 --> 00:31:59,720
Speaker 2: from the crowd because it was such a breakthrough moment

661
00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:03,520
Speaker 2: for Nunas how easily, in some ways, Nuna's just lured

662
00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:08,719
Speaker 2: Cyborg into forgetting about technique and strategy and just going

663
00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:11,959
Speaker 2: for broke. When if you're Pacheco, is that an option

664
00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:14,240
Speaker 2: in here, or do you try to take the veteran

665
00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:17,520
Speaker 2: and stretch her out potentially over five rounds If this

666
00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:20,240
Speaker 2: is a five round fight despite not being a title

667
00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:23,080
Speaker 2: on the line, to really try to expose the age there.

668
00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:25,200
Speaker 2: I'm interested to see how pacheco operates.

669
00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:28,480
Speaker 3: I don't know if like forcing a stand or ground

670
00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:31,000
Speaker 3: firefight is the best idea, but I definitely think putting

671
00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:33,200
Speaker 3: pressure on her is the best idea. I mean, if

672
00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:35,600
Speaker 3: anyone's gonna want to try and touch and go, it's

673
00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:37,600
Speaker 3: going to be cyborg at this stage. That's not the

674
00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:39,600
Speaker 3: way she used to fight, but it's the way she's

675
00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:42,160
Speaker 3: kind of fought a little bit more recently. Even in

676
00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:44,080
Speaker 3: some of those KOs she's gotten, they've been a little

677
00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:45,640
Speaker 3: bit more like setting it up. I mean, the Cats

678
00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:48,200
Speaker 3: and Gano one, you know, is a little bit different,

679
00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:50,520
Speaker 3: but Cats and Gano I think was also pretty much

680
00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:52,320
Speaker 3: done in her career by the time that they fought.

681
00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:54,280
Speaker 3: But some of these other ones, you know, she kind

682
00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:56,000
Speaker 3: of had to set up at least a little bit

683
00:32:56,120 --> 00:32:59,080
Speaker 3: along the way. And so for me, if I'm Pachiko

684
00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:00,920
Speaker 3: and you have the U and you feel like again

685
00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:02,080
Speaker 3: you want to kind of see if you can take

686
00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:04,240
Speaker 3: her punch and see what the power feels like. But

687
00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:06,280
Speaker 3: assuming you feel like you can roll with it, I

688
00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:08,520
Speaker 3: think you absolutely have to put pressure on her, force

689
00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:10,120
Speaker 3: her to make a mistake. You don't want to fight,

690
00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:12,240
Speaker 3: you definitely don't want to fight on her terms, and

691
00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:13,880
Speaker 3: her terms I think are gonna be a little bit

692
00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:18,680
Speaker 3: more strategic. Set things up, find the right spot, mix

693
00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:20,960
Speaker 3: it up as best you can, you know, don't be

694
00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:22,880
Speaker 3: there too long, and you're gonna want her to do

695
00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:25,240
Speaker 3: the opposite. That is exactly what you're gonna want her

696
00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:28,240
Speaker 3: to do, because are you gonna really take Cyborg down? Maybe? Maybe,

697
00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:30,240
Speaker 3: but Cyborg's got pretty good wrestling. She's gonna get up.

698
00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:32,600
Speaker 3: It's really not particular's bread and butter. Anyway, it's gonna

699
00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:36,040
Speaker 3: be one of these. And so I again standing there

700
00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:37,880
Speaker 3: and like biting down on the mouthpiece and just going

701
00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:41,960
Speaker 3: Soybborg's got big power still too, but getting her to

702
00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:45,360
Speaker 3: exchange with you, to open up, Yeah, absolutely, that's gonna

703
00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:47,280
Speaker 3: be what Pacheco wants to do, no question in my mind.

704
00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:49,960
Speaker 2: Long Island Luke reminded me, this is a five round fight.

705
00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:53,040
Speaker 2: There is a title at stake, the PFL Women's Featherweight

706
00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:54,120
Speaker 2: super Fight.

707
00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:54,560
Speaker 1: Cham.

708
00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:56,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a five round contest. Yep.

709
00:33:56,520 --> 00:33:57,959
Speaker 2: Why do we need all these fake belts here?

710
00:33:58,000 --> 00:33:58,120
Speaker 8: Though?

711
00:33:58,120 --> 00:33:59,760
Speaker 2: I don't I don't know how if I necess like.

712
00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:02,840
Speaker 3: The NFL does everything that you're not supposed to do.

713
00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:03,760
Speaker 3: That's why.

714
00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:06,560
Speaker 2: Okay, well, they did make arguably the best women's fight

715
00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:08,880
Speaker 2: you can make in the sport in some ways, and

716
00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:12,400
Speaker 2: it does have passing of the torch qualities. I mean,

717
00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:14,360
Speaker 2: do you fear it all for PFL here that if

718
00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:19,080
Speaker 2: Pacheco wins knocks out Cyborg looks amazing and it's probably

719
00:34:19,160 --> 00:34:21,680
Speaker 2: only going to lead to her figuring out a way

720
00:34:21,680 --> 00:34:23,440
Speaker 2: to get out of that contract and go to UFC

721
00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:26,439
Speaker 2: and climb the mountain in her own career anyway, since

722
00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:27,239
Speaker 2: Kayla's over there.

723
00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:29,400
Speaker 3: Correct, Yeah, But the difference is, like, I mean, I know,

724
00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:31,960
Speaker 3: Cyborg has three fights left, but she's just about done

725
00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:34,520
Speaker 3: in her career. Even if she finishes it out, she's

726
00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:36,600
Speaker 3: just about done. You don't have much time left, whatever

727
00:34:36,640 --> 00:34:38,680
Speaker 3: time you do have left with Larsa. And by the way,

728
00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:41,080
Speaker 3: you know, how much is she going to be dying

729
00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:42,759
Speaker 3: to go to UFC when she can just beat up

730
00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:45,279
Speaker 3: on people in Bellatore excuse me, in PFL and get

731
00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:48,439
Speaker 3: like tournament money. You know, she's done well, like that's

732
00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:51,799
Speaker 3: been a real profitable thing for her. I wouldn't be

733
00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:53,719
Speaker 3: so sure. And it doesn't matter anyway. You have this

734
00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:57,080
Speaker 3: much time left with Cyborg. Sure, Pacheco winning is fine

735
00:34:57,080 --> 00:34:58,239
Speaker 3: for them Long Island.

736
00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:00,480
Speaker 2: Look, can you show the face off here? Betwe between them?

737
00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:03,239
Speaker 2: They finally did it this week to kick this off.

738
00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:05,799
Speaker 2: There you go. You see the size between them. Dan

739
00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:08,960
Speaker 2: Hardy in the middle. We are expecting fireworks. I'll remind

740
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:11,560
Speaker 2: you one more on the odds minus one forty eight

741
00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:15,960
Speaker 2: Pachecko plus one twenty four Cyborg. According to DraftKings, Luke Thomas,

742
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:16,920
Speaker 2: which way you're going.

743
00:35:17,120 --> 00:35:19,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm gonna go Pacheco stoppage I don't know, but

744
00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:25,680
Speaker 3: definitely Pacheco the youth. She's got big power. As you mentioned,

745
00:35:25,719 --> 00:35:28,560
Speaker 3: Cyborg has been, at least in terms of MMA inactive.

746
00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:31,200
Speaker 3: It's just too much of a difference for me.

747
00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:33,879
Speaker 2: With you. I think we get that passing of the torch.

748
00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:36,360
Speaker 2: I think we get a late stoppage here from Pacheco

749
00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:38,560
Speaker 2: in a fight that we probably see, you know, the

750
00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:41,279
Speaker 2: last stand from Cyborg in many ways in terms of

751
00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:44,399
Speaker 2: taking big punches and being forced to adapt in Ratley back.

752
00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:47,759
Speaker 2: But that younger, hungrier, I don't know about hungriy or

753
00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:50,759
Speaker 2: but more ready to take over in this moment does

754
00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:54,040
Speaker 2: seem Pochecko. It's a can't miss a co main event,

755
00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:56,160
Speaker 2: and I think it's a big part of what I'm

756
00:35:56,200 --> 00:35:57,960
Speaker 2: at PFL saying a lot of things, and we'll get

757
00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:00,920
Speaker 2: to that very shortly. But this fight is super. It

758
00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:04,040
Speaker 2: is awesome, Louke quickly. Johnny Evlin is gonna get a

759
00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:07,319
Speaker 2: rematch with Fabian Edwards. It will technically be for the

760
00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:11,319
Speaker 2: Belatour MMA Middleweight Championship, for whatever that's worth. When they

761
00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:13,880
Speaker 2: did fight a few years back, Eblin had an early

762
00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:16,760
Speaker 2: stoppage in the first couple rounds. Minus three to eighty

763
00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:20,799
Speaker 2: for Johnny Eblin plus three hundred for Fabian Edwards. What

764
00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:22,239
Speaker 2: are we looking at here? Should we care?

765
00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:26,440
Speaker 3: I don't care much. I think Johnny Eblin's pretty good.

766
00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:29,640
Speaker 3: I think I think it's PFL Belatour outing when they

767
00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:32,640
Speaker 3: did the PFL versus Belatour roster didn't go quite as

768
00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:34,879
Speaker 3: well as he had hoped, But I still think he's

769
00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:38,000
Speaker 3: pretty talented. He's got great cardio for five rounds. His

770
00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:41,880
Speaker 3: wrestling is fantastic, he's durable, he's experienced. At this point,

771
00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:45,120
Speaker 3: Edwards could win. That's true. It's not like in any

772
00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:46,640
Speaker 3: way out of the question, you know, It's not like

773
00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:50,920
Speaker 3: some kind of runaway, but in all likelihood Evelyn should win.

774
00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:55,640
Speaker 2: Just feels like these Bellatour guys are going nowhere. Aj McKee, though,

775
00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:58,200
Speaker 2: is in a fantastic fight to kick off this five

776
00:36:58,239 --> 00:37:01,239
Speaker 2: fight main card four pm Eastern there on ESPN plus

777
00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:03,600
Speaker 2: pay per view. He'll be a minus one eighty five

778
00:37:03,719 --> 00:37:09,000
Speaker 2: favorite against this rising lightweight prospect and really potential future

779
00:37:09,040 --> 00:37:12,320
Speaker 2: stud in Paul Hughes plus one point fifty four for Hughes,

780
00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:14,680
Speaker 2: who did make that debut I believe on the PFL

781
00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:18,560
Speaker 2: Europe circuit, Luke, we know a certain amount about Hughes,

782
00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:21,560
Speaker 2: we know a lot about la Quy. Is Paul Hughes

783
00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:24,239
Speaker 2: ready for this level, because those odds will tell you

784
00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:24,640
Speaker 2: he is.

785
00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:29,280
Speaker 3: I think it's a bit of an uphill climb against

786
00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:32,400
Speaker 3: aj McKee because aj McKee has been doing this for longer.

787
00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:37,239
Speaker 3: He has fought better guys, There's no question about that.

788
00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:42,120
Speaker 3: You know, he fought pit Bull twice, you know, and

789
00:37:42,200 --> 00:37:46,800
Speaker 3: so you have to respect that. Like there's an experience

790
00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:49,920
Speaker 3: gap and on certain ways a bit of a skills gap,

791
00:37:50,239 --> 00:37:53,759
Speaker 3: but really it's a style contrast. Paul Hughes is very

792
00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:57,200
Speaker 3: well rounded, but very methodical, right, you know, in particular,

793
00:37:57,360 --> 00:37:59,480
Speaker 3: like we'll hunt the back and has good ground to pound,

794
00:37:59,480 --> 00:38:02,040
Speaker 3: can sub you up from there if need be. But

795
00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:04,960
Speaker 3: AJ McKee is just kind of wild and like just

796
00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:07,759
Speaker 3: lets the fight flow and goes wherever. And it's really

797
00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:09,560
Speaker 3: a question of like which one of those is going

798
00:38:09,640 --> 00:38:13,640
Speaker 3: to dominate, the free flowing McKee or the methodical you know,

799
00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:17,600
Speaker 3: I won't say super precise, but kind of intentional game

800
00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:20,360
Speaker 3: of Paul Hughes. So, Paul Hughes, to me is one

801
00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:22,920
Speaker 3: of the very best prospects in all of MMA, irrespective

802
00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:25,920
Speaker 3: of weight class. This might be a bit much for him.

803
00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:28,040
Speaker 3: I can understand folks saying that, but I actually think

804
00:38:28,080 --> 00:38:29,799
Speaker 3: it's one of the best fights all weekend. To be

805
00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:32,360
Speaker 3: perfectly honest with you, I think that Paul Hughes certainly

806
00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:35,200
Speaker 3: can win this uh and I think it's a great

807
00:38:35,239 --> 00:38:38,520
Speaker 3: test either way for either McKee or Hughes. I love

808
00:38:38,680 --> 00:38:39,120
Speaker 3: this fight.

809
00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:42,560
Speaker 2: Paul Hughes twelve and one as a professional. I mentioned

810
00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:44,800
Speaker 2: that first performance it did actually come into the Bellatur

811
00:38:45,160 --> 00:38:48,719
Speaker 2: Champion Series banner in June. In June of this year,

812
00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:51,279
Speaker 2: when he stopped Bobby King at the end of round two.

813
00:38:51,680 --> 00:38:55,360
Speaker 2: This is a massive step up in competition. AJ McKee

814
00:38:55,400 --> 00:38:58,040
Speaker 2: four to oh since losing that very close decision to

815
00:38:58,080 --> 00:39:00,960
Speaker 2: Pitbull in their rematch for the bellot Or featherweight title.

816
00:39:01,239 --> 00:39:03,600
Speaker 2: I gotta go with McKee here until I see exactly

817
00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:06,000
Speaker 2: what Paul Hughes is gonna bring. But I echo everything

818
00:39:06,040 --> 00:39:09,879
Speaker 2: you're saying. This is an absolutely fantastic fight. I'm really

819
00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:11,799
Speaker 2: excited for it. And dude, if Paul Hughes gets a

820
00:39:11,840 --> 00:39:16,800
Speaker 2: win here, this is one of these rare wins for PFL.

821
00:39:16,920 --> 00:39:20,000
Speaker 2: Like this not homegrown guy, but this very good free

822
00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:22,560
Speaker 2: agent pickup. You put him in against one of the

823
00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:25,200
Speaker 2: better guys on this globe and AJ McKee in terms

824
00:39:25,239 --> 00:39:28,560
Speaker 2: of skill. I mean, there's a big opportunity for him

825
00:39:28,560 --> 00:39:31,360
Speaker 2: here in a huge way. I don't want to understate.

826
00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:33,439
Speaker 3: That that'd be a massive win for him, talking about

827
00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:35,600
Speaker 3: one of the best prospects in MMA who skipped out

828
00:39:35,600 --> 00:39:38,640
Speaker 3: on UFC to sign PFL. And then in his not

829
00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:41,560
Speaker 3: organizational debut, but in a way that anyone can see

830
00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:45,280
Speaker 3: here in the States, his debut, he goes and beats

831
00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:50,120
Speaker 3: AJ McKee. Like, dude, that is huge, huge for him,

832
00:39:50,239 --> 00:39:53,000
Speaker 3: huge for the organization. That would be somebody you could

833
00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:54,759
Speaker 3: And then, by the way, like obviously you can take

834
00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:57,640
Speaker 3: anybody to Ireland and the iris are going to go

835
00:39:57,800 --> 00:39:59,560
Speaker 3: and watch it. But I'm saying like that would be

836
00:39:59,640 --> 00:40:03,000
Speaker 3: really really great for their business overseas as well. This

837
00:40:03,080 --> 00:40:04,840
Speaker 3: is a big one for them, a really big one.

838
00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:05,440
Speaker 1: All right.

839
00:40:05,520 --> 00:40:08,200
Speaker 2: Let's slide into topic number two, and it still surrounds PFL.

840
00:40:08,239 --> 00:40:11,880
Speaker 2: They're calling this the biggest, most important fight card in

841
00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:15,200
Speaker 2: their history, and that's certainly true. PFL bought the World

842
00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:18,080
Speaker 2: Series of Fighting roster and absorbed with them in twenty eighteen.

843
00:40:18,440 --> 00:40:21,520
Speaker 2: That made some good moves. But for everything they boasted

844
00:40:21,560 --> 00:40:24,880
Speaker 2: for twenty twenty four, from having Francis ready, Jake Paul's

845
00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:28,040
Speaker 2: gonna make his MMA debut, we signed all these female boxers,

846
00:40:28,080 --> 00:40:31,000
Speaker 2: We're gonna do all these things, twenty twenty four has

847
00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:33,800
Speaker 2: not been a great year for PFL from a pr

848
00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:37,080
Speaker 2: standpoint or an in cage performance. For as great as

849
00:40:37,120 --> 00:40:40,120
Speaker 2: this card is on paper, and it really is, Luke

850
00:40:40,160 --> 00:40:41,920
Speaker 2: I wrote a column for CBS this week, and I

851
00:40:41,960 --> 00:40:44,880
Speaker 2: mean it, This feels like a make or break moment

852
00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:49,160
Speaker 2: for the promotion, with Francis finally making that debut. Do

853
00:40:49,200 --> 00:40:53,200
Speaker 2: you agree with that statement? And if you do, could

854
00:40:53,239 --> 00:40:55,759
Speaker 2: it really make them or is it just a chance

855
00:40:55,800 --> 00:40:58,480
Speaker 2: for them to finally do something really positive, maybe for

856
00:40:58,520 --> 00:41:01,279
Speaker 2: the first time since that Bellow tour versus PFL pay

857
00:41:01,320 --> 00:41:03,879
Speaker 2: per view card which wasn't a commercial access but what's

858
00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:04,560
Speaker 2: fun to see.

859
00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:07,680
Speaker 3: I actually would be a little bit curious before I

860
00:41:07,719 --> 00:41:10,120
Speaker 3: answer that to hear the argument about make or break

861
00:41:10,120 --> 00:41:12,560
Speaker 3: from them. What would be the argument make or break

862
00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:14,960
Speaker 3: for this event? Give me the cliff notes.

863
00:41:15,120 --> 00:41:17,759
Speaker 2: It's hard to put. It's hard to assign actual will

864
00:41:17,800 --> 00:41:19,799
Speaker 2: this make or break them? Regardless of where it goes?

865
00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:21,200
Speaker 2: You can all you can make the argument just the

866
00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:24,040
Speaker 2: same that it won't change a damn thing. But for

867
00:41:24,120 --> 00:41:27,960
Speaker 2: how much they boasted about who they are, they're not

868
00:41:28,040 --> 00:41:30,720
Speaker 2: here to be second place. They're here to compete with UFC,

869
00:41:31,040 --> 00:41:33,799
Speaker 2: to see what they've done in taking their assets and

870
00:41:33,840 --> 00:41:36,879
Speaker 2: instead of building vertically, all they've done is build horizontally

871
00:41:36,920 --> 00:41:40,200
Speaker 2: and water down everything completely. That it feels like this

872
00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:43,439
Speaker 2: is the first time they're trying to really use those

873
00:41:43,480 --> 00:41:46,520
Speaker 2: assets and show you we can compete with the UFC

874
00:41:46,680 --> 00:41:48,719
Speaker 2: or anyone else. I mean, I don't know if it's

875
00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:51,719
Speaker 2: make or break really on the idea, whether Francis does

876
00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:54,480
Speaker 2: well or gets knocked out, how much that changes anything,

877
00:41:54,840 --> 00:41:57,200
Speaker 2: But I feel like if they're ever going to have

878
00:41:57,239 --> 00:41:59,320
Speaker 2: a chance to live up to the things they said

879
00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:04,319
Speaker 2: in December and January and the things that Peter Murray

880
00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:06,440
Speaker 2: and Don Davis have said this week, that we'll get

881
00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:09,560
Speaker 2: you in a second, that's only gonna work if this

882
00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:12,200
Speaker 2: pay per view, I want to say, is a success,

883
00:42:12,239 --> 00:42:14,759
Speaker 2: but we really all have like limited expectations of what

884
00:42:14,760 --> 00:42:17,120
Speaker 2: it will do commercially. But if it can grab a

885
00:42:17,160 --> 00:42:19,960
Speaker 2: hold of the combat sports fan this weekend and then

886
00:42:20,080 --> 00:42:22,960
Speaker 2: have some storyline coming off of there of what you

887
00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:25,400
Speaker 2: want to see next, maybe this main event is a

888
00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:27,440
Speaker 2: great fight and we're going to book an immediate rematch

889
00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:30,320
Speaker 2: because I Bajeda stops and Ghanu and you know something

890
00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:33,440
Speaker 2: like that. Because Luke, when you're doing that season format,

891
00:42:33,560 --> 00:42:35,360
Speaker 2: you're not going to go that far. When you're spreading

892
00:42:35,360 --> 00:42:38,160
Speaker 2: your roster around and putting some of your critically best guys,

893
00:42:38,440 --> 00:42:41,400
Speaker 2: and this Bellator Championship Series in Europe and no one's watching,

894
00:42:41,400 --> 00:42:43,439
Speaker 2: no one even knows when it's on, You're not gonna

895
00:42:43,480 --> 00:42:45,719
Speaker 2: do anything. They're finally taking their assets and putting it

896
00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:47,920
Speaker 2: forward and saying this is who we can be on

897
00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:50,120
Speaker 2: any given night if we get it right. That's what

898
00:42:50,160 --> 00:42:51,400
Speaker 2: I mean more from make or break.

899
00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:58,080
Speaker 3: So let me say this. I think two major points

900
00:42:58,080 --> 00:43:01,160
Speaker 3: that I would have is that I know a lot

901
00:43:01,160 --> 00:43:03,839
Speaker 3: of people simply don't believe me or if skeptical when

902
00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:06,080
Speaker 3: I say that, like there really is nothing they could

903
00:43:06,120 --> 00:43:08,960
Speaker 3: do to compete with UFC, And I'm not sure there's

904
00:43:08,960 --> 00:43:11,719
Speaker 3: anything they can do to financially survive the long term.

905
00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:13,720
Speaker 3: Now they come out, they can survive for a fairly

906
00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:16,480
Speaker 3: long while, which could be years from now. But the

907
00:43:16,600 --> 00:43:19,480
Speaker 3: inexorable place that this all ends to me is a

908
00:43:19,560 --> 00:43:23,160
Speaker 3: foregone conclusion. So in that sense, I don't buy that

909
00:43:23,200 --> 00:43:25,040
Speaker 3: it's make or break. I do buy that there could

910
00:43:25,040 --> 00:43:28,160
Speaker 3: be some positive momentum for them in a different way,

911
00:43:28,239 --> 00:43:31,920
Speaker 3: which is the second part of my point, namely, if

912
00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:34,040
Speaker 3: you just look at who Don Davis is speaking to

913
00:43:34,160 --> 00:43:40,480
Speaker 3: this week, Sportico or other financial outlets or financial business

914
00:43:40,600 --> 00:43:44,640
Speaker 3: sports outlets, he hasn't talked to MMA fans one time.

915
00:43:45,360 --> 00:43:47,680
Speaker 3: Peter Murray isn't talking to MMA fan. I know he's

916
00:43:47,680 --> 00:43:50,000
Speaker 3: set like talked briefly to Mme Bond of Mike Junkie

917
00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:52,279
Speaker 3: in a couple other places, but like in general, they

918
00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:54,640
Speaker 3: don't talk to MMA fans and like there's that's not

919
00:43:54,680 --> 00:43:56,480
Speaker 3: an accident, Like they don't have a fan base, Like

920
00:43:56,520 --> 00:44:00,400
Speaker 3: they're not even concerned about that. The PFL is not

921
00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:05,359
Speaker 3: a promotion. I mean in legal terms or in the

922
00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:09,440
Speaker 3: pragmatic reality, it might be, but people misunderstand it. The

923
00:44:09,480 --> 00:44:12,799
Speaker 3: PFL is a financial asset. That is what it is.

924
00:44:12,880 --> 00:44:15,160
Speaker 3: And what you see people who are in charge of

925
00:44:15,160 --> 00:44:17,800
Speaker 3: the PFL doing Don Davis, Peter Murray and some other folks.

926
00:44:18,160 --> 00:44:24,440
Speaker 3: They only speak to these other financial publications because what

927
00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:26,760
Speaker 3: they're trying to do is secure the best possible funding

928
00:44:26,800 --> 00:44:29,120
Speaker 3: for their next television deal. And now, of course every

929
00:44:29,120 --> 00:44:31,440
Speaker 3: promotion does that, but like for them, it's critically important

930
00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:37,920
Speaker 3: because their entire play is that through rhetorical slide of

931
00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:42,839
Speaker 3: hand and by building this behemoth that like to your point,

932
00:44:42,920 --> 00:44:46,879
Speaker 3: is horizontally but not like vertically interesting, that what they're

933
00:44:46,880 --> 00:44:49,040
Speaker 3: trying to do is they're just a content play for

934
00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:53,319
Speaker 3: networks that need to fill hours worth of content, and

935
00:44:53,520 --> 00:44:56,120
Speaker 3: they're trying to build it up to some kind of

936
00:44:56,160 --> 00:44:57,560
Speaker 3: place where they can say, hey, we made a hundred

937
00:44:57,560 --> 00:45:00,600
Speaker 3: million revenue. By the way, John Nash thinks that's probably oversold.

938
00:45:00,920 --> 00:45:02,919
Speaker 3: They think that they're worth a billion dollars, I would.

939
00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:04,560
Speaker 3: I don't know, how can you be worth a billion

940
00:45:04,600 --> 00:45:07,080
Speaker 3: dollars if you have no fan base and you've never

941
00:45:07,160 --> 00:45:08,719
Speaker 3: profited a single time in your life.

942
00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:11,600
Speaker 2: It's still tickets in small theaters herede.

943
00:45:11,800 --> 00:45:14,080
Speaker 3: Even in DC when they redid the Anthem, I think

944
00:45:14,080 --> 00:45:17,280
Speaker 3: they fitted it. That's a five thousand seat venue they

945
00:45:17,400 --> 00:45:19,880
Speaker 3: changed the seating for I think like twenty eight hundred

946
00:45:20,239 --> 00:45:22,520
Speaker 3: they might have filled that. That's really about it, you

947
00:45:22,600 --> 00:45:24,200
Speaker 3: know what I mean? This is what I mean. But

948
00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:27,759
Speaker 3: that's why it's so instructive that they're speaking to financial

949
00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:31,320
Speaker 3: sports business outlets and they're trying to build a financial

950
00:45:31,800 --> 00:45:35,520
Speaker 3: portfolio that is the PFL. The PFL has no soul

951
00:45:35,719 --> 00:45:38,400
Speaker 3: at its core. There's nothing about it that's a driving

952
00:45:38,480 --> 00:45:41,080
Speaker 3: ethos of MMA and if it doesn't have a real

953
00:45:41,239 --> 00:45:44,160
Speaker 3: DNA or identity in the fight world, in that sense,

954
00:45:44,239 --> 00:45:47,120
Speaker 3: it's just this vehicle that I think that these guys

955
00:45:47,160 --> 00:45:50,400
Speaker 3: want to offload, get a good television deal, offload it

956
00:45:50,680 --> 00:45:52,200
Speaker 3: and be done with it, makes some money from it,

957
00:45:52,239 --> 00:45:53,960
Speaker 3: and then go on to something else. I don't know

958
00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:55,480
Speaker 3: what their long term plans are, but it seems like

959
00:45:55,480 --> 00:45:57,960
Speaker 3: that's what they're setting up. That's the only way to

960
00:45:58,120 --> 00:46:00,200
Speaker 3: understand this. How does it make sense you did didn't

961
00:46:00,239 --> 00:46:02,080
Speaker 3: promote the lineal title. How does it make sense that

962
00:46:02,080 --> 00:46:04,680
Speaker 3: you barely promoted Francis. How does it make sense that

963
00:46:04,719 --> 00:46:06,759
Speaker 3: the only thing you can talk about is these conflicts

964
00:46:06,760 --> 00:46:09,480
Speaker 3: with the UFC and how you're their equal while speaking

965
00:46:09,520 --> 00:46:13,680
Speaker 3: to sports business media publications and never the fans. It

966
00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:18,200
Speaker 3: only makes sense when you realize it's just this financial portfolio,

967
00:46:18,280 --> 00:46:21,000
Speaker 3: this asset that they want to make look as good

968
00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:23,640
Speaker 3: as possible, get as much money into it as possible,

969
00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:25,799
Speaker 3: release their share of it, and then go on to

970
00:46:25,840 --> 00:46:29,320
Speaker 3: do something else. That's what the PFL is. It's regrettable

971
00:46:29,360 --> 00:46:31,839
Speaker 3: that that's the number two promotion in the sense that

972
00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:33,279
Speaker 3: that's the way that they want to do with it. It

973
00:46:33,320 --> 00:46:36,120
Speaker 3: is a big promotion. By the way, they do have

974
00:46:36,280 --> 00:46:39,960
Speaker 3: quality BC. The main event tomorrow is quality. The co

975
00:46:40,080 --> 00:46:42,760
Speaker 3: main event is quality. We mentioned Paul Hughes, aj McKee quality,

976
00:46:42,840 --> 00:46:46,400
Speaker 3: there's Johnny evelin quality. It's not that there's not quality

977
00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:49,719
Speaker 3: about it, but the way in which it is treated, packaged,

978
00:46:49,880 --> 00:46:53,319
Speaker 3: shopped and shipped just tells you this is a financial

979
00:46:53,440 --> 00:46:57,400
Speaker 3: product that people in the finance world see as such.

980
00:46:57,600 --> 00:46:59,080
Speaker 2: I think that's a really smart way that you just

981
00:46:59,120 --> 00:47:01,040
Speaker 2: sum that up and it's true. I mean, you got

982
00:47:01,040 --> 00:47:03,919
Speaker 2: Don Davis telling media this week, let's put our five

983
00:47:03,960 --> 00:47:06,919
Speaker 2: best against UFC's five best, but Dana scared, you'll see

984
00:47:06,920 --> 00:47:09,719
Speaker 2: what happens. We'll win. I mean, the only argument they

985
00:47:09,760 --> 00:47:12,640
Speaker 2: have in that is Francis versus John in terms of

986
00:47:12,640 --> 00:47:15,239
Speaker 2: fans actually caring about that, and that would only be

987
00:47:15,280 --> 00:47:17,640
Speaker 2: if Francis came out and looked like old Francis again

988
00:47:17,719 --> 00:47:20,360
Speaker 2: thirty three months later on Saturday. There just seems to

989
00:47:20,360 --> 00:47:23,480
Speaker 2: be out of touch with who they really are and

990
00:47:23,520 --> 00:47:26,600
Speaker 2: the impact they're really having, even though they have really

991
00:47:26,640 --> 00:47:30,200
Speaker 2: smart MMA people under that banner, Dan Hardy, Randy Coutour,

992
00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:32,160
Speaker 2: you know you can name on and on. So Luke,

993
00:47:32,239 --> 00:47:34,480
Speaker 2: let's show a little bit of this. Here's Don Davis

994
00:47:34,520 --> 00:47:37,759
Speaker 2: talking to Front Office Sports, repeating the rhetoric he had

995
00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:41,320
Speaker 2: back in December and January of why PFL is not

996
00:47:41,480 --> 00:47:44,560
Speaker 2: competing to be number two. They already are the co

997
00:47:44,680 --> 00:47:46,200
Speaker 2: leader in MMA with UFC.

998
00:47:47,000 --> 00:47:50,040
Speaker 8: Where are we as a co leader? There are three

999
00:47:50,080 --> 00:47:52,600
Speaker 8: things you would look at in terms of the NBA

1000
00:47:53,120 --> 00:47:57,960
Speaker 8: or MMA. You would look at athletes, distribution and audience. Okay,

1001
00:47:58,880 --> 00:48:02,359
Speaker 8: athletes this is going to shock most people. There's only

1002
00:48:02,400 --> 00:48:05,960
Speaker 8: one company that does independent measurement of athletes. And now,

1003
00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:08,080
Speaker 8: of course Don King and Boxing would rank all his

1004
00:48:08,120 --> 00:48:10,600
Speaker 8: guys at the top, and so with Data Fight Matrix

1005
00:48:10,680 --> 00:48:14,719
Speaker 8: rankings independent, they rank wherever you fight in MMA from

1006
00:48:14,719 --> 00:48:17,640
Speaker 8: one to five hundred your weight class. Thirty percent of

1007
00:48:17,719 --> 00:48:22,120
Speaker 8: UFC's rosters, top twenty five ranked in the world, thirty

1008
00:48:22,160 --> 00:48:26,560
Speaker 8: percent of pfl's roster. So if you tune in Saturday

1009
00:48:26,640 --> 00:48:29,000
Speaker 8: night watch UFC, and you tune in Friday night on

1010
00:48:29,160 --> 00:48:31,759
Speaker 8: ESPN and watch PFL, you're watching the exact same thing.

1011
00:48:32,440 --> 00:48:33,520
Speaker 8: It is Coke and Pepsi.

1012
00:48:33,960 --> 00:48:35,800
Speaker 3: Now a lot of people would say, hey.

1013
00:48:36,239 --> 00:48:37,880
Speaker 8: I don't believe that. You know why, it's because of

1014
00:48:37,920 --> 00:48:40,360
Speaker 8: the brand point that I just gave you a big

1015
00:48:40,400 --> 00:48:42,520
Speaker 8: head start on the brand, particularly in the United States.

1016
00:48:42,800 --> 00:48:47,160
Speaker 8: But athlete quality is the exact same today. What that's

1017
00:48:47,239 --> 00:48:49,719
Speaker 8: never happened in sports. So it's almost like if you're

1018
00:48:49,719 --> 00:48:51,800
Speaker 8: a soccer fan, if you took the BUNSA League and

1019
00:48:51,920 --> 00:48:55,200
Speaker 8: Seria and the League and put them together, that's PFL,

1020
00:48:55,480 --> 00:48:58,080
Speaker 8: but they're still the Premier League. Okay, now let's go

1021
00:48:58,120 --> 00:49:01,600
Speaker 8: to distribution. We're on ESPN, they're on ESPN. We're primetime.

1022
00:49:01,600 --> 00:49:04,320
Speaker 8: They're prime time. They're in one hundred and seventy countries

1023
00:49:04,360 --> 00:49:06,760
Speaker 8: with twenty media partners. We're in one hundred and seventy countries,

1024
00:49:06,800 --> 00:49:08,960
Speaker 8: twenty media partners, exact same.

1025
00:49:09,960 --> 00:49:10,040
Speaker 4: What.

1026
00:49:10,880 --> 00:49:13,799
Speaker 8: Now, let's go to audience. We're fifty percent of their

1027
00:49:13,880 --> 00:49:18,400
Speaker 8: viewership linear and streaming, both US and worldwide.

1028
00:49:18,480 --> 00:49:21,200
Speaker 2: That's across to his own ESPN plus.

1029
00:49:21,560 --> 00:49:21,759
Speaker 3: Right.

1030
00:49:22,120 --> 00:49:24,600
Speaker 8: Wow, hold on, you just said they have two hundred

1031
00:49:24,600 --> 00:49:26,760
Speaker 8: million of marketing and every time I tune in ESPN,

1032
00:49:27,440 --> 00:49:30,239
Speaker 8: I see UFC everywhere, and I don't see PFL anywhere yet.

1033
00:49:30,400 --> 00:49:33,399
Speaker 8: And you're already fifty percent. Already, good for you, Good

1034
00:49:33,400 --> 00:49:35,600
Speaker 8: for you. And we're growing twenty three percent a year.

1035
00:49:35,640 --> 00:49:38,360
Speaker 8: They're growing eight percent a year, So we're on the rise.

1036
00:49:39,239 --> 00:49:43,399
Speaker 8: So yes, is our brand a co leader? No, they're

1037
00:49:43,440 --> 00:49:44,280
Speaker 8: still Kleenex.

1038
00:49:45,360 --> 00:49:45,960
Speaker 3: I give them that.

1039
00:49:46,280 --> 00:49:49,080
Speaker 8: But when it comes to the things that matter, call

1040
00:49:49,160 --> 00:49:51,880
Speaker 8: it the old Wendy's commercial sizzle and beef. You know,

1041
00:49:51,960 --> 00:49:56,760
Speaker 8: I'm separating the beef of athletes distribution in terms of audience,

1042
00:49:56,760 --> 00:49:59,480
Speaker 8: We've accomplished something that's never been done. You really have

1043
00:49:59,480 --> 00:50:02,040
Speaker 8: two sports leads that are pretty equal. This is not

1044
00:50:02,200 --> 00:50:04,480
Speaker 8: the NFL in the XFL. This is more like soccer.

1045
00:50:06,280 --> 00:50:11,000
Speaker 2: They have no fucking idea what they are talking about. Dude,

1046
00:50:11,320 --> 00:50:16,160
Speaker 2: he's saying. He's saying, we're cocing pepsi and that we

1047
00:50:16,239 --> 00:50:19,400
Speaker 2: have the same amount of top rated fighters. You're literally

1048
00:50:19,440 --> 00:50:23,200
Speaker 2: putting your best fighters in terms of quality in Europe

1049
00:50:23,640 --> 00:50:26,800
Speaker 2: on these Bellotor cards that are meaningless in rematches against

1050
00:50:26,840 --> 00:50:29,680
Speaker 2: other Bellot or guys that are playing on the Max app,

1051
00:50:29,719 --> 00:50:32,359
Speaker 2: which you can't even replay until someone showed me how

1052
00:50:32,360 --> 00:50:33,600
Speaker 2: to do that. But you got to go deep in

1053
00:50:33,600 --> 00:50:36,120
Speaker 2: the app and figure it out. Are you kidding me?

1054
00:50:36,280 --> 00:50:41,279
Speaker 3: Like, dude, I like how he's like, you're watching the

1055
00:50:41,320 --> 00:50:44,080
Speaker 3: same thing. Put the camera on me long now, Luke,

1056
00:50:45,640 --> 00:50:49,759
Speaker 3: you're not watching the same thing. You're not watching the

1057
00:50:49,800 --> 00:50:50,239
Speaker 3: same thing.

1058
00:50:51,800 --> 00:50:53,840
Speaker 2: You're not You know what the best argument would be

1059
00:50:53,880 --> 00:50:57,719
Speaker 2: from him, UFC matchmaking is so watered down. All these

1060
00:50:57,719 --> 00:51:00,560
Speaker 2: fight night main events suck. We're actually putting on the

1061
00:51:00,560 --> 00:51:02,880
Speaker 2: same level cards as them, and then that would be

1062
00:51:02,960 --> 00:51:05,200
Speaker 2: him shitting on his own product. That's the only way

1063
00:51:05,200 --> 00:51:06,600
Speaker 2: you're coking pepsi right now.

1064
00:51:06,800 --> 00:51:09,840
Speaker 3: Also, coke and pepsi aren't equal. Coke is much bigger

1065
00:51:09,840 --> 00:51:10,400
Speaker 3: than pepsi.

1066
00:51:11,000 --> 00:51:13,320
Speaker 2: Like those aren't ever loves coke.

1067
00:51:15,920 --> 00:51:17,880
Speaker 3: That's what I mean, Like they're not. So it's like

1068
00:51:17,960 --> 00:51:20,400
Speaker 3: it's like, you know, it's like it's like one hundred

1069
00:51:20,440 --> 00:51:22,560
Speaker 3: dollars versus a nickel. It's the same thing. No, it's

1070
00:51:22,600 --> 00:51:24,680
Speaker 3: not that that. Those are very different. Those are very

1071
00:51:24,680 --> 00:51:27,520
Speaker 3: different values. Also, like a couple of things that would say,

1072
00:51:27,520 --> 00:51:28,880
Speaker 3: even if you wanted to grant it, they had the

1073
00:51:28,880 --> 00:51:30,919
Speaker 3: same amount of ranked fighters as had the top twenty five.

1074
00:51:31,239 --> 00:51:33,759
Speaker 3: Pfl's got most of those fifteen and down. UFC has

1075
00:51:33,800 --> 00:51:35,680
Speaker 3: got most of those fifth or I should say, sixteen

1076
00:51:35,719 --> 00:51:37,840
Speaker 3: and down. U see's got most of those fifteen and up,

1077
00:51:37,880 --> 00:51:41,279
Speaker 3: and especially in the top ten, and especially inside the

1078
00:51:41,280 --> 00:51:42,839
Speaker 3: top five. That's the first thing I was gonna say.

1079
00:51:42,840 --> 00:51:44,720
Speaker 3: Second of all, the UFC can put up a card

1080
00:51:44,800 --> 00:51:48,360
Speaker 3: virtually anywhere, virtually anywhere and sell it out. PFL couldn't

1081
00:51:48,400 --> 00:51:51,799
Speaker 3: do that anywhere inside North America at all. More to

1082
00:51:51,840 --> 00:51:53,600
Speaker 3: the point, you have fifty percent of their streaming. I

1083
00:51:53,600 --> 00:51:56,200
Speaker 3: call bullshit. I call bullshit. I don't think that that's

1084
00:51:56,200 --> 00:51:57,680
Speaker 3: the true at all. Let me just explain to you

1085
00:51:57,680 --> 00:52:00,680
Speaker 3: how this works, folks. I would love to cover the more.

1086
00:52:00,719 --> 00:52:04,160
Speaker 3: I genuinely would if I put up any content on

1087
00:52:04,200 --> 00:52:08,520
Speaker 3: my channel, this channel, even for this episode. PFL content

1088
00:52:08,840 --> 00:52:12,840
Speaker 3: is a guaranteed loser for you. It will not return

1089
00:52:13,000 --> 00:52:16,399
Speaker 3: any audience. It doesn't have one. This is why it's

1090
00:52:16,440 --> 00:52:18,560
Speaker 3: so weird for them to talk about, look at how

1091
00:52:18,560 --> 00:52:21,040
Speaker 3: big we are and how well we're doing, and everybody

1092
00:52:21,120 --> 00:52:25,719
Speaker 3: likes us. It's like, who who there? You don't have

1093
00:52:25,760 --> 00:52:28,560
Speaker 3: a fan base. You don't have a fan base in Texas.

1094
00:52:28,640 --> 00:52:30,680
Speaker 3: You don't have a fan base in Canada, you don't

1095
00:52:30,719 --> 00:52:32,160
Speaker 3: have a fan base in New You eve don't have

1096
00:52:32,200 --> 00:52:35,120
Speaker 3: a fan base anywhere. It doesn't exist. Who is watching

1097
00:52:35,120 --> 00:52:37,080
Speaker 3: your stuff? Because I can tell you when we put

1098
00:52:37,120 --> 00:52:41,600
Speaker 3: up PFL content, it dies instantly, instantly, there's nothing to it.

1099
00:52:42,200 --> 00:52:44,040
Speaker 3: I don't And again, look a who's talking to BC

1100
00:52:44,400 --> 00:52:47,160
Speaker 3: Front Office Sports. That's who he's talking to, which, again

1101
00:52:47,360 --> 00:52:49,480
Speaker 3: is fine because I think January twenty twenty six, they're

1102
00:52:49,480 --> 00:52:53,360
Speaker 3: trying to get that big television deal. Fine, I get it,

1103
00:52:53,400 --> 00:52:55,000
Speaker 3: But this is what I mean when I say that

1104
00:52:55,160 --> 00:52:58,640
Speaker 3: is who their audience is. Their audience is potential investors,

1105
00:52:58,640 --> 00:53:02,080
Speaker 3: slash television networks who they're trying to shop this financial

1106
00:53:02,120 --> 00:53:05,040
Speaker 3: content plan to. It has nothing to do with the

1107
00:53:05,120 --> 00:53:09,560
Speaker 3: average person on the Street being converted into a PFL

1108
00:53:09,640 --> 00:53:12,399
Speaker 3: fan that seems like utterly divorced from what they care about.

1109
00:53:12,440 --> 00:53:14,720
Speaker 2: I'm with you, and I hate it because I loved

1110
00:53:14,719 --> 00:53:16,080
Speaker 2: a lot of the things that the moves that they

1111
00:53:16,160 --> 00:53:18,200
Speaker 2: made ahead of this year. I wanted to see them

1112
00:53:18,280 --> 00:53:20,520
Speaker 2: drop the season format, put it all together, like you

1113
00:53:20,520 --> 00:53:23,279
Speaker 2: said at the beginning, and just put your best foot forward.

1114
00:53:23,320 --> 00:53:25,719
Speaker 2: If they don't do that in twenty five, it's over.

1115
00:53:25,880 --> 00:53:28,160
Speaker 2: It may already be over. We got Demitrius Johnson in

1116
00:53:28,200 --> 00:53:30,120
Speaker 2: a second. But let's play one more video. This is

1117
00:53:30,160 --> 00:53:32,200
Speaker 2: Peter Murray. And look, you had a nice Freudian slip

1118
00:53:32,239 --> 00:53:35,920
Speaker 2: before when you said, Mike Junkie from MMA bond. Here's

1119
00:53:36,080 --> 00:53:36,720
Speaker 2: that interview.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, biggest event in company history on Saturday.

1121
00:53:39,600 --> 00:53:40,160
Speaker 3: Would you say yes?

1122
00:53:40,200 --> 00:53:40,440
Speaker 1: Or no?

1123
00:53:40,600 --> 00:53:42,480
Speaker 9: Biggest event went company history?

1124
00:53:42,560 --> 00:53:42,719
Speaker 3: Oh?

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00:53:42,800 --> 00:53:46,600
Speaker 9: Absolutely, Battle of the Giants Saturday, October nineteenth at Mayadin,

1126
00:53:46,800 --> 00:53:50,799
Speaker 9: right here in Riad, and you know, shout out to

1127
00:53:50,840 --> 00:53:53,840
Speaker 9: our worldwide partner in his own you know, presenting the

1128
00:53:53,920 --> 00:53:57,759
Speaker 9: very best of MMA, our Ministry of Sport partnership and

1129
00:53:57,760 --> 00:54:02,400
Speaker 9: obviously right here with Abdullah, the Saudi MMA Federation. All

1130
00:54:02,480 --> 00:54:06,040
Speaker 9: those partnerships made this possible. And so you know this

1131
00:54:06,120 --> 00:54:09,720
Speaker 9: is the biggest event of absolutely the PFL company.

1132
00:54:09,400 --> 00:54:12,400
Speaker 3: History and the biggest event of the year. And you know,

1133
00:54:12,560 --> 00:54:13,200
Speaker 3: I'm looking.

1134
00:54:13,000 --> 00:54:15,680
Speaker 9: Forward to stacking this up against you know, the the

1135
00:54:15,840 --> 00:54:17,880
Speaker 9: you know, when you look at the cards from UFC

1136
00:54:17,920 --> 00:54:22,160
Speaker 9: three hundred, this sphere but likes as it relates to

1137
00:54:22,239 --> 00:54:23,720
Speaker 9: the card.

1138
00:54:23,560 --> 00:54:24,960
Speaker 3: This fight, this.

1139
00:54:24,880 --> 00:54:27,879
Speaker 9: Event on October nineteenth, biggest of the year, second to.

1140
00:54:27,880 --> 00:54:34,759
Speaker 2: None, the biggest MMA event of the year.

1141
00:54:35,160 --> 00:54:37,320
Speaker 3: I can also just say words.

1142
00:54:38,920 --> 00:54:41,760
Speaker 2: Even John Fitch came out against the way they're promoting.

1143
00:54:41,800 --> 00:54:43,440
Speaker 2: Here's one final video and then we'll get to the

1144
00:54:43,480 --> 00:54:44,040
Speaker 2: Mighty Mouse.

1145
00:54:44,239 --> 00:54:49,000
Speaker 6: All Right, PFL has totally dropped the ball promoting this.

1146
00:54:49,160 --> 00:54:50,480
Speaker 3: Two big guys are gonna fight.

1147
00:54:50,600 --> 00:54:51,799
Speaker 5: Oh look at how big they are.

1148
00:54:52,000 --> 00:54:55,080
Speaker 2: Not this is the lineal heavyweight champ of the world.

1149
00:54:55,160 --> 00:54:58,520
Speaker 2: In m he is the best greatest heavyweight in the world.

1150
00:54:58,560 --> 00:55:00,840
Speaker 3: He is the champ period. They need to be pushing that,

1151
00:55:00,960 --> 00:55:03,080
Speaker 3: but they don't. Why would you screw up so ethically.

1152
00:55:03,120 --> 00:55:05,239
Speaker 6: It's almost like you have to choose to try to

1153
00:55:05,280 --> 00:55:05,920
Speaker 6: screw it up.

1154
00:55:07,920 --> 00:55:08,520
Speaker 3: That's interesting.

1155
00:55:08,520 --> 00:55:09,279
Speaker 2: It's an interesting thing.

1156
00:55:09,600 --> 00:55:10,880
Speaker 3: I do think I want to be saying something. I

1157
00:55:10,880 --> 00:55:13,640
Speaker 3: do think that they should have promoted the lineal title

1158
00:55:13,760 --> 00:55:16,640
Speaker 3: thing more. I definitely agree with that. I certainly think

1159
00:55:16,640 --> 00:55:18,960
Speaker 3: that they messed that part up. I don't think that's

1160
00:55:19,040 --> 00:55:22,160
Speaker 3: like the whole reason why we feel a little bit

1161
00:55:22,160 --> 00:55:24,160
Speaker 3: weird about it. It seems like there's a lot more like

1162
00:55:24,280 --> 00:55:28,400
Speaker 3: just in general. Let me just say this. This past

1163
00:55:28,480 --> 00:55:31,799
Speaker 3: week I spoke to several other MMA media members and

1164
00:55:31,880 --> 00:55:35,800
Speaker 3: to understand something very clearly, like media isn't as important

1165
00:55:35,920 --> 00:55:38,840
Speaker 3: as it used to be for promotion when you have

1166
00:55:38,920 --> 00:55:40,919
Speaker 3: your own distribution channels and you have your own social

1167
00:55:40,960 --> 00:55:42,919
Speaker 3: media outlets and things like that, and that is true.

1168
00:55:43,000 --> 00:55:45,880
Speaker 3: We all have to recognize that. But at the same time,

1169
00:55:46,080 --> 00:55:48,520
Speaker 3: I cannot tell you, like how many people I've spoken

1170
00:55:48,520 --> 00:55:51,120
Speaker 3: to have tried to like get interviews from them and

1171
00:55:51,280 --> 00:55:54,439
Speaker 3: PFL doesn't facilitate at all, and like they don't even

1172
00:55:54,440 --> 00:55:58,240
Speaker 3: bother to care. And it's like, guys, I gotta tell you,

1173
00:55:58,239 --> 00:56:00,480
Speaker 3: you could use all the free media that there is

1174
00:56:01,600 --> 00:56:04,480
Speaker 3: the resistance to that when, by the way, these same

1175
00:56:04,480 --> 00:56:06,759
Speaker 3: people are like the UFC never does that. One championship,

1176
00:56:06,800 --> 00:56:08,520
Speaker 3: never does that. They who do you want? Okay, boom

1177
00:56:08,560 --> 00:56:10,080
Speaker 3: da da da da da, and they set it up

1178
00:56:10,120 --> 00:56:14,879
Speaker 3: and it's like again, they're not talking to the fan

1179
00:56:15,080 --> 00:56:17,719
Speaker 3: on the streets. They're talking to the next investor or

1180
00:56:17,840 --> 00:56:20,840
Speaker 3: television executive to see if they can get this financial

1181
00:56:20,840 --> 00:56:24,520
Speaker 3: product brought into you know, more hospitable terms.

1182
00:56:24,880 --> 00:56:26,439
Speaker 2: Indeed, I'm with you on that. I had a little

1183
00:56:26,520 --> 00:56:28,200
Speaker 2: McDonald's WiFi moment, but I'm back.

1184
00:56:28,400 --> 00:56:28,560
Speaker 4: Hey.

1185
00:56:28,560 --> 00:56:32,719
Speaker 2: Look, we have a fantastic guest with us today. I mean,

1186
00:56:32,760 --> 00:56:35,200
Speaker 2: you could call him the greatest flyweight fighter and the

1187
00:56:35,239 --> 00:56:37,360
Speaker 2: history of this sport. You can put him in that

1188
00:56:37,480 --> 00:56:40,440
Speaker 2: upper room of the five greatest fighters who have ever competed.

1189
00:56:40,520 --> 00:56:43,879
Speaker 2: And I do that regularly. And he's recently retired from

1190
00:56:43,960 --> 00:56:48,640
Speaker 2: active MMA competition after a great run there with one championship.

1191
00:56:49,080 --> 00:56:51,400
Speaker 2: I can't wait to chat with him. Let's bring in

1192
00:56:51,440 --> 00:56:56,440
Speaker 2: the Mighty Mouse himself, Demetrius Johnson live and direct on

1193
00:56:56,640 --> 00:57:01,880
Speaker 2: Morning Combat DJ in the How brother, what's going on?

1194
00:57:01,920 --> 00:57:02,240
Speaker 4: Boys?

1195
00:57:02,239 --> 00:57:02,680
Speaker 2: What's going on?

1196
00:57:02,719 --> 00:57:03,000
Speaker 3: Boys?

1197
00:57:03,040 --> 00:57:05,279
Speaker 4: Luke? It's been a long time, Brian. How are you doing, brother?

1198
00:57:05,680 --> 00:57:07,359
Speaker 3: Got nice to see you, DJ. How are you?

1199
00:57:07,840 --> 00:57:08,600
Speaker 4: I'm good? I'm good.

1200
00:57:08,640 --> 00:57:11,720
Speaker 7: I mean Canada right now training with Bibiana and Lucas.

1201
00:57:11,800 --> 00:57:13,399
Speaker 4: Just working on my game.

1202
00:57:13,520 --> 00:57:15,319
Speaker 7: You know, even though I'm retired from fighting, I still

1203
00:57:15,360 --> 00:57:18,480
Speaker 7: want to keep on learning martial arts.

1204
00:57:18,760 --> 00:57:21,240
Speaker 3: How do you how do you physically feel great?

1205
00:57:21,960 --> 00:57:22,880
Speaker 4: I felt phenomenal.

1206
00:57:23,520 --> 00:57:25,840
Speaker 7: I think, you know, the biggest thing is just trying

1207
00:57:25,840 --> 00:57:27,800
Speaker 7: to do my best to refuel my body after I'm

1208
00:57:27,840 --> 00:57:29,840
Speaker 7: done training. We trained for about like two and a

1209
00:57:29,840 --> 00:57:32,160
Speaker 7: half hours last night, baby, next two and a half

1210
00:57:32,200 --> 00:57:32,760
Speaker 7: hours last night.

1211
00:57:32,800 --> 00:57:33,600
Speaker 4: Just think NIGI.

1212
00:57:34,320 --> 00:57:38,000
Speaker 7: Just working on different body positioning and grips and different

1213
00:57:38,040 --> 00:57:40,800
Speaker 7: types of like Lasco's and all that stuff.

1214
00:57:40,840 --> 00:57:44,840
Speaker 4: But body feels great. I mean, no injuries. I feel good.

1215
00:57:45,400 --> 00:57:47,600
Speaker 3: Let me ask you a question. If Craig Jones set

1216
00:57:47,680 --> 00:57:50,280
Speaker 3: up a Craig Jones Invitational for a weight class that

1217
00:57:50,360 --> 00:57:52,000
Speaker 3: was comfortable for you, would you compete in that?

1218
00:57:52,560 --> 00:57:55,160
Speaker 4: You know what's funny me and my wife for time. Oh,

1219
00:57:55,200 --> 00:57:59,240
Speaker 4: it's right there. You know what's funny? What I think?

1220
00:57:59,320 --> 00:58:01,840
Speaker 7: What's my he said he was doing. I was like, man,

1221
00:58:02,000 --> 00:58:03,920
Speaker 7: I had the phone. I have the fear of missing out.

1222
00:58:03,920 --> 00:58:05,600
Speaker 7: I was like, man, I should, I should try to

1223
00:58:05,640 --> 00:58:08,600
Speaker 7: do it, but I know that my nuggy game needs

1224
00:58:08,680 --> 00:58:11,600
Speaker 7: a lot more work. And if I was to do

1225
00:58:12,080 --> 00:58:15,360
Speaker 7: you know, the see Craig Jones Invitational. You know there's

1226
00:58:15,400 --> 00:58:17,640
Speaker 7: the potential of me getting my knees. You know, my

1227
00:58:17,920 --> 00:58:20,640
Speaker 7: knee torn right, and do I think it's worth it

1228
00:58:20,680 --> 00:58:22,600
Speaker 7: at thirty eight years old. Absolutely not.

1229
00:58:23,160 --> 00:58:23,840
Speaker 4: But like if the.

1230
00:58:23,880 --> 00:58:28,160
Speaker 7: Rules were, you know, I could you say putting away

1231
00:58:28,200 --> 00:58:32,000
Speaker 7: where my knees would be not torn like no heel hooks, No,

1232
00:58:32,480 --> 00:58:34,400
Speaker 7: you know to Hol's knee barslos are fine, but the

1233
00:58:34,440 --> 00:58:36,840
Speaker 7: he'll hook game, you know, one wrong move.

1234
00:58:36,640 --> 00:58:40,200
Speaker 4: And it's it's just gone. So you know, you saw Kate.

1235
00:58:40,080 --> 00:58:43,439
Speaker 7: No tier Toll, he tore his knee. I think he's

1236
00:58:43,480 --> 00:58:47,360
Speaker 7: fined out. But those are like career ending injuries. Granted,

1237
00:58:47,360 --> 00:58:49,840
Speaker 7: my career is over, but I don't want to have

1238
00:58:49,880 --> 00:58:52,560
Speaker 7: to get surgery for a fucking jujitsuternament.

1239
00:58:52,640 --> 00:58:53,920
Speaker 4: That's just that's just my opinion.

1240
00:58:54,840 --> 00:58:57,360
Speaker 3: A million dollars you just determined slightly different, But I

1241
00:58:58,200 --> 00:59:00,360
Speaker 3: certainly grant your point least thing on this though. Your

1242
00:59:00,400 --> 00:59:03,720
Speaker 3: fingers with the gee, do they not get completely torn up?

1243
00:59:04,280 --> 00:59:05,240
Speaker 4: No, my minor.

1244
00:59:05,800 --> 00:59:07,720
Speaker 7: Granted, I want to be doing it for not as

1245
00:59:07,800 --> 00:59:10,560
Speaker 7: long as, like you know, Bibiano or Lucas or even

1246
00:59:10,560 --> 00:59:11,840
Speaker 7: the Tooler brothers or.

1247
00:59:11,800 --> 00:59:13,920
Speaker 4: Even Mikey's Mikey's hands are not tore up.

1248
00:59:13,960 --> 00:59:16,520
Speaker 7: There's a lot of guys who let go of the

1249
00:59:16,560 --> 00:59:18,680
Speaker 7: ge like before it like they before they you know,

1250
00:59:18,920 --> 00:59:21,280
Speaker 7: break it, they let go because they know they're gonna

1251
00:59:21,320 --> 00:59:24,080
Speaker 7: break it and they just regrab so for my minor

1252
00:59:24,160 --> 00:59:24,640
Speaker 7: flye and.

1253
00:59:25,440 --> 00:59:27,000
Speaker 4: They feel great. Wife, has it said, I got ugly

1254
00:59:27,000 --> 00:59:27,560
Speaker 4: as hands? Yet?

1255
00:59:27,640 --> 00:59:29,640
Speaker 3: RB? See one more? Have you not seen that Paulo

1256
00:59:29,720 --> 00:59:30,680
Speaker 3: Meo picture where he.

1257
00:59:30,680 --> 00:59:32,160
Speaker 2: Holds his hands fucked.

1258
00:59:34,040 --> 00:59:36,400
Speaker 4: It's not just his hands, but his hands and his feet.

1259
00:59:36,480 --> 00:59:40,320
Speaker 3: It's like his knees too. All his ship is disconnected.

1260
00:59:40,400 --> 00:59:42,520
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, and I and I think that comes from

1261
00:59:42,560 --> 00:59:45,360
Speaker 7: like me, he is one of the best to ever

1262
00:59:45,440 --> 00:59:47,840
Speaker 7: do it, grinding and just ge.

1263
00:59:48,080 --> 00:59:50,480
Speaker 4: And I also don't know if he's ever done any

1264
00:59:50,560 --> 00:59:52,680
Speaker 4: like strength strength training.

1265
00:59:52,800 --> 00:59:56,360
Speaker 7: Where it's like for me, my whole entire athletic career,

1266
00:59:56,440 --> 01:00:02,760
Speaker 7: I've done football, basketball, track, wrestling, mixed martial arts now

1267
01:00:02,880 --> 01:00:06,600
Speaker 7: BRAZILANU and throughout the whole entire time, I've always done

1268
01:00:06,640 --> 01:00:08,920
Speaker 7: some type of strength training where I spend a day

1269
01:00:09,000 --> 01:00:12,520
Speaker 7: like I'm going to lift chest, back and buys and

1270
01:00:12,600 --> 01:00:16,240
Speaker 7: drives in my core just to stay physically strong. I

1271
01:00:16,240 --> 01:00:18,920
Speaker 7: don't know if he's ever done that before, but yeah,

1272
01:00:18,960 --> 01:00:21,000
Speaker 7: I mean he's beenking peed for a very very very

1273
01:00:21,040 --> 01:00:23,680
Speaker 7: long time. And it's true. You see those people like

1274
01:00:23,760 --> 01:00:27,400
Speaker 7: jiu jitsu destroyed my body. But I also will Countada like, hey,

1275
01:00:27,440 --> 01:00:30,640
Speaker 7: what were you doing? Were you strengthening your body? Were

1276
01:00:30,680 --> 01:00:33,240
Speaker 7: you doing some type of physical moved to get your

1277
01:00:33,280 --> 01:00:36,000
Speaker 7: body strong? A lot of people who say jiu jitsu

1278
01:00:36,120 --> 01:00:39,400
Speaker 7: destroyed my body didn't do any strength training at all.

1279
01:00:41,360 --> 01:00:43,520
Speaker 2: DJ so much we could chat with you about before

1280
01:00:43,520 --> 01:00:45,400
Speaker 2: we get a little bit further down your road. I

1281
01:00:45,440 --> 01:00:47,800
Speaker 2: am interested in your thoughts of Francis and ghan who

1282
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Speaker 2: coming back this weekend from thirty three months away from

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Speaker 2: the cage, a brutal ko loss in boxing to Anthony Joshua,

1284
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Speaker 2: you know, the untimely death of his son. Yet it's

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Speaker 2: Francis and Ghana when we were arguing earlier in the

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Speaker 2: show or debating that that sort of he's one of

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Speaker 2: the more mentally stronger fighters ever in terms of his

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Speaker 2: life story to get here. How do you sort of

1289
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Speaker 2: look at what he's up against Saturday, going against this

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Speaker 2: Brazilian six foot eight knockout machine in Hendon Fajita.

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Speaker 7: I think it's good for him to come back to

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Speaker 7: the mixing marshalks. I think that's where he made his

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Speaker 7: name and that's where he's the best. You know, obviously

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Speaker 7: he had you know that one big fight in boxing.

1295
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Speaker 7: It came up short, but he was also fight one

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Speaker 7: of the best in the world, Anthony Joshua right like

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Speaker 7: you look at Jake Paul, Jake Paul is fighting all

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Speaker 7: these you know, former boxers tour Franston Road went right

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Speaker 7: after the biggest fish in the sea. So I'm excited

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Speaker 7: to see Francis back back to what he you know,

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Speaker 7: is known for. And I think his opponent is a

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Speaker 7: very good athlete, six to eight athletic. It would be

1303
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Speaker 7: interesting to see how he deals with the you know,

1304
01:01:50,400 --> 01:01:53,560
Speaker 7: going back to mixed marsharks rules, dealing with the kicks,

1305
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Speaker 7: dealing with the knees, dealing with the grappling.

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Speaker 4: But he's a professional athlete. I think you go to

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Speaker 4: you know, make that a j Smith.

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Speaker 7: You know, Francisco has the power, sound like he lost

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01:02:02,840 --> 01:02:04,560
Speaker 7: that and it should be a exciting fight.

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Speaker 2: What I love about when you stepped away from the

1311
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Speaker 2: sport officially at one championship one sixty eight and denver

1312
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Speaker 2: there as you did it on your terms, which we

1313
01:02:13,720 --> 01:02:17,120
Speaker 2: always celebrate when fighters can know at its time and

1314
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Speaker 2: make that decision, what sort of frame in your head

1315
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Speaker 2: now that year after it and look back at what

1316
01:02:22,720 --> 01:02:24,960
Speaker 2: the impact of that stretch of your career had with

1317
01:02:25,000 --> 01:02:28,320
Speaker 2: one championship after the trade from UFC with Ben Askrin

1318
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Speaker 2: and all of that. I mean, it seems like what

1319
01:02:30,520 --> 01:02:32,920
Speaker 2: they were trying to do with this US invasion, you

1320
01:02:32,960 --> 01:02:35,400
Speaker 2: became the face of it. You had great success in

1321
01:02:35,440 --> 01:02:37,760
Speaker 2: the cage. How do you frame the importance to your

1322
01:02:37,760 --> 01:02:39,160
Speaker 2: career of what that era meant?

1323
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Speaker 4: It was an amazing era.

1324
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Speaker 7: You know, I had a great, great career in the UFC,

1325
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Speaker 7: the longest training executive champion, the longest raining flyweight champion,

1326
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Speaker 7: and you know, there's nowhere no one eating close to

1327
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Speaker 7: like the amount of consecutive tile offenses that I.

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Speaker 4: Was able to do.

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Speaker 7: And you know, then being trades with one championship for

1330
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Speaker 7: beIN Astrian, that was an amazing because it was life changing,

1331
01:03:01,680 --> 01:03:03,440
Speaker 7: just the opportunity to go fight for a company that

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Speaker 7: valued the smaller fighters. You know, obviously at that time,

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01:03:06,880 --> 01:03:09,280
Speaker 7: you know, one championship without one championship, the UFC was

1334
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Speaker 7: kind of going back and forth, and then you know,

1335
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Speaker 7: Hearing one and then Hearing went off to do his

1336
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Speaker 7: two things and he retired. So so I was grateful,

1337
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Speaker 7: and I think that's what every avage stream is to.

1338
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Speaker 4: Be able to go out on their own terms.

1339
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Speaker 7: Right, Like I sat down my wife, my team, and

1340
01:03:24,120 --> 01:03:26,400
Speaker 7: it was kind of like, yeah, like I'm kind of good.

1341
01:03:26,400 --> 01:03:29,439
Speaker 7: I don't think there was anything else I need to prove.

1342
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Speaker 7: And one of the things Luke Thomas's can know this.

1343
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Speaker 7: I remember he you know, I love your Guys show

1344
01:03:35,240 --> 01:03:37,240
Speaker 7: because you guys keep it real, especially Luke Thomas. I

1345
01:03:37,240 --> 01:03:38,720
Speaker 7: always been a big fan at him. I remember when

1346
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Speaker 7: they had.

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Speaker 3: That Oh it's something negative about the what did I do?

1348
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Speaker 4: What?

1349
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Speaker 7: No, No, No, there's never nothing negative, right. I think

1350
01:03:47,280 --> 01:03:50,640
Speaker 7: everybody's opinions, they're entitled to it. And I think you've

1351
01:03:50,680 --> 01:03:52,000
Speaker 7: been in this sport for a very long time.

1352
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Speaker 4: You covered it.

1353
01:03:52,440 --> 01:03:53,680
Speaker 7: I never forget when you guys used to do the

1354
01:03:53,800 --> 01:03:57,400
Speaker 7: NMA roundtable, was you Eric Rowanni a coverle other gentlemen.

1355
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Speaker 7: You guys would just fucking be raw, just be abo

1356
01:03:59,520 --> 01:04:01,240
Speaker 7: you raw. Even before I jumped down here, You're like,

1357
01:04:01,560 --> 01:04:05,280
Speaker 7: you guys play those clips from the presser in Saudi

1358
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Speaker 7: Arabia or and he was like, this is the biggest cards.

1359
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Speaker 4: Are you fucking kidding me?

1360
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Speaker 7: You see three or eight beats that card ford and backwards.

1361
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Speaker 7: I'm just being I mean, Illi duports take on Max Hollway.

1362
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Speaker 4: How's that much?

1363
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Speaker 7: I have taken on Robert Werderker do you have you know, uh, Uncle,

1364
01:04:20,200 --> 01:04:22,400
Speaker 7: I have taken on a rack rackage? Like, are you

1365
01:04:22,640 --> 01:04:25,040
Speaker 7: like the winner of that is fighting Alex. You know,

1366
01:04:25,120 --> 01:04:29,320
Speaker 7: if Uncle Iave can get past Ratchet, he's fighting Alex

1367
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Speaker 7: Pijeda like that.

1368
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Speaker 4: Just those three fights alone, I mean, those.

1369
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Speaker 7: Three fights alone beat you know, you see no chase

1370
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Speaker 7: in my in my opinion right like you was great,

1371
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Speaker 7: but it was like, I mean, the only thing that

1372
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Speaker 7: got me excited for Notches was Sugar.

1373
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Speaker 4: Sean and then what was it Diga Lopez was Brian Ortega.

1374
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Speaker 7: Obviously Battin Chishenko Or's Grass was a great fight too,

1375
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Speaker 7: But those two fights, because you were going to see

1376
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Speaker 7: who was going to be the next potential pretender for

1377
01:04:57,520 --> 01:05:00,760
Speaker 7: Illi Dupporia in Max Hollaway with Diego Lope versus Brian

1378
01:05:00,840 --> 01:05:04,400
Speaker 7: ortaka Tego Lopez one, He's going off potentially hoping to

1379
01:05:04,480 --> 01:05:08,840
Speaker 7: fight a Fokanasi. There's just so much storyline there, right,

1380
01:05:09,280 --> 01:05:11,080
Speaker 7: But let's get back to the thing. So Luke thoms

1381
01:05:11,080 --> 01:05:13,400
Speaker 7: she always keep it real And I remember after I thought,

1382
01:05:13,840 --> 01:05:16,440
Speaker 7: Adrian the third time you made a comment saying like.

1383
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Speaker 4: I didn't I didn't see I didn't see that that

1384
01:05:19,240 --> 01:05:19,720
Speaker 4: that killed her?

1385
01:05:19,760 --> 01:05:22,440
Speaker 7: Interesting and Demetrious like smelling the blood in him. He

1386
01:05:22,520 --> 01:05:26,919
Speaker 7: was very technical and very analytical how he went about

1387
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Speaker 7: winning the fight, and I stop buy him.

1388
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Speaker 4: I was like, man, maybe he maybe I don't have

1389
01:05:29,920 --> 01:05:33,919
Speaker 4: that killer in singing anymore. I was like, you know, good, good, good,

1390
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Speaker 4: take Luke Thomas, well.

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Speaker 3: Let me let me. Let me say this, Demetrius, let

1392
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Speaker 3: me say this if I may. Yeah, it is hard

1393
01:05:41,000 --> 01:05:43,320
Speaker 3: to do this job. Not that it's like I'm not

1394
01:05:43,320 --> 01:05:45,240
Speaker 3: putting shingles on a roof. That's not what I mean.

1395
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Speaker 4: Yeah, you know what.

1396
01:05:47,480 --> 01:05:50,840
Speaker 3: I mean, Like, there's much tougher jobs. What I do

1397
01:05:50,920 --> 01:05:55,320
Speaker 3: mean to say is you're tasked with trying to analyze

1398
01:05:55,320 --> 01:05:59,120
Speaker 3: something with very limited information, because even if I had

1399
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Speaker 3: a direct relationship with you, there would probably be things

1400
01:06:02,480 --> 01:06:04,280
Speaker 3: you wouldn't tell me so that they wouldn't get into

1401
01:06:04,280 --> 01:06:06,120
Speaker 3: the media, they wouldn't get into the world. You would

1402
01:06:06,600 --> 01:06:08,800
Speaker 3: was this guy Andrew? Was he not? Was shit going

1403
01:06:08,800 --> 01:06:09,479
Speaker 3: wrong in his house?

1404
01:06:09,640 --> 01:06:10,000
Speaker 4: Was it not?

1405
01:06:10,160 --> 01:06:13,040
Speaker 3: You have no idea, and so it's hard to be

1406
01:06:13,200 --> 01:06:15,680
Speaker 3: like when you see a senior fighter, especially a senior

1407
01:06:15,680 --> 01:06:18,720
Speaker 3: fighter at your level, like at the high cerebral level,

1408
01:06:19,840 --> 01:06:22,040
Speaker 3: I can only make a guess based off of the

1409
01:06:22,080 --> 01:06:24,920
Speaker 3: information that I'm giving, and so like you know what

1410
01:06:25,000 --> 01:06:27,280
Speaker 3: I mean, Like, I don't never know how exactly true

1411
01:06:27,280 --> 01:06:29,480
Speaker 3: it is. I'm just trying to make an assessment as

1412
01:06:29,520 --> 01:06:30,640
Speaker 3: best as possibly can.

1413
01:06:31,080 --> 01:06:33,480
Speaker 4: Of course, I'm in the same boat now, trust me.

1414
01:06:33,480 --> 01:06:34,280
Speaker 4: Just don't worry about it.

1415
01:06:34,320 --> 01:06:36,800
Speaker 7: I'm I'm like, do I think when it was clear

1416
01:06:36,880 --> 01:06:40,400
Speaker 7: Rountree versus alex Piata, I was like, clear Roundtree can win,

1417
01:06:40,640 --> 01:06:41,960
Speaker 7: so can alex Piata.

1418
01:06:42,040 --> 01:06:43,480
Speaker 4: But I have to make it pick. So I'm gonna

1419
01:06:43,480 --> 01:06:44,360
Speaker 4: go clear round Tree.

1420
01:06:44,680 --> 01:06:46,960
Speaker 7: And I absolutely love And this is the thing too

1421
01:06:46,960 --> 01:06:49,800
Speaker 7: with the boat I'm in is when you pick against.

1422
01:06:49,560 --> 01:06:51,720
Speaker 4: The fighter, they act it's so bitter.

1423
01:06:52,200 --> 01:06:54,920
Speaker 7: They they're bitter, and I'm like, guys, I get no

1424
01:06:55,040 --> 01:06:58,800
Speaker 7: benefit whether you were gonna lose. I truly don't, right people,

1425
01:06:58,840 --> 01:07:00,280
Speaker 7: the only thing I get is like, oh, you were

1426
01:07:00,320 --> 01:07:03,040
Speaker 7: so right. I was like, I made an educated guests

1427
01:07:03,760 --> 01:07:06,360
Speaker 7: and that's that's what happened. And I stand by all

1428
01:07:06,360 --> 01:07:10,160
Speaker 7: my guesses. So but yeah, I think the sum effective

1429
01:07:10,160 --> 01:07:12,880
Speaker 7: context we were talking about, I was very grateful to

1430
01:07:12,880 --> 01:07:15,720
Speaker 7: go out on my terms, which I think every athlete

1431
01:07:15,760 --> 01:07:19,000
Speaker 7: should do and strive for. And I was blessed at

1432
01:07:19,000 --> 01:07:21,000
Speaker 7: one Chipter. You gave me that platform and my wife

1433
01:07:21,200 --> 01:07:24,960
Speaker 7: helped me encourage me to do to do the retirement

1434
01:07:24,960 --> 01:07:27,040
Speaker 7: speech in the cage and yeah, here we are now,

1435
01:07:27,400 --> 01:07:29,720
Speaker 7: I'm living my best life in Canada, getting ready to

1436
01:07:30,600 --> 01:07:34,280
Speaker 7: train today. I got a double and yeah, just joy

1437
01:07:34,280 --> 01:07:34,600
Speaker 7: in life.

1438
01:07:34,600 --> 01:07:34,760
Speaker 4: Man.

1439
01:07:35,800 --> 01:07:38,560
Speaker 3: Uh, what's your favorite win? Favorite win?

1440
01:07:40,160 --> 01:07:43,280
Speaker 4: I mean, there's so many of them, but I mean.

1441
01:07:43,160 --> 01:07:46,680
Speaker 3: I I what's that's a very lebron ject, which one

1442
01:07:46,720 --> 01:07:49,600
Speaker 3: of my excellent accolades is my favorite?

1443
01:07:49,720 --> 01:07:49,880
Speaker 1: You know?

1444
01:07:50,040 --> 01:07:51,920
Speaker 7: I think, I think, I think, you know, if I

1445
01:07:51,920 --> 01:07:53,840
Speaker 7: had to pick one on the spot now, probably sayd

1446
01:07:53,880 --> 01:07:54,880
Speaker 7: the first John Dotson.

1447
01:07:54,920 --> 01:07:57,480
Speaker 4: It's always going to change because when the people ask me.

1448
01:07:57,480 --> 01:07:59,160
Speaker 7: But I think the first John Dotson because it's my

1449
01:07:59,200 --> 01:08:01,520
Speaker 7: first time of the event, and I don't forget. Matt

1450
01:08:01,600 --> 01:08:03,800
Speaker 7: Hughes would always it's always easy to win the belt,

1451
01:08:03,840 --> 01:08:05,920
Speaker 7: but to defend it. I think it was Matthew said

1452
01:08:05,960 --> 01:08:08,840
Speaker 7: that always easy to win it, but to defend it,

1453
01:08:08,880 --> 01:08:11,480
Speaker 7: I means like you're a true champion. And that was

1454
01:08:11,520 --> 01:08:15,520
Speaker 7: a rough fight in twenty thirteen Chicago. It was it

1455
01:08:15,560 --> 01:08:18,599
Speaker 7: was a rough fight, got through it and came out top.

1456
01:08:19,000 --> 01:08:21,680
Speaker 7: And yeah, that was kind of like, Okay, I belonged here,

1457
01:08:21,800 --> 01:08:22,840
Speaker 7: I belong here.

1458
01:08:23,280 --> 01:08:25,040
Speaker 3: DJ if I can, can I follow up on some

1459
01:08:25,160 --> 01:08:26,880
Speaker 3: I think you said? I could be wrong. I believe

1460
01:08:26,880 --> 01:08:29,320
Speaker 3: you said this, Terielhwani this week when they some of

1461
01:08:29,360 --> 01:08:34,080
Speaker 3: the retired or no longer active fighters were putting out

1462
01:08:34,320 --> 01:08:37,479
Speaker 3: statements to the judge in the anti trust case, essentially

1463
01:08:37,520 --> 01:08:41,479
Speaker 3: asking him to just agree to the settlement that had

1464
01:08:41,479 --> 01:08:44,200
Speaker 3: been proposed. And I think I didn't see in real time,

1465
01:08:44,240 --> 01:08:45,600
Speaker 3: so I only caught it after the fact. If I

1466
01:08:45,640 --> 01:08:47,479
Speaker 3: get any of this wrong, by all means correct the record.

1467
01:08:47,520 --> 01:08:48,800
Speaker 3: But I believe what you had said was that there

1468
01:08:48,840 --> 01:08:51,639
Speaker 3: was a degree of you had a question, I believe

1469
01:08:51,800 --> 01:08:55,280
Speaker 3: about the degree to which Shane Carwin, or potentially Kung Lee.

1470
01:08:55,320 --> 01:08:58,800
Speaker 3: I think it was more about Shane Carwin had engaged in.

1471
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Speaker 4: Shane Carlin and Beneley Pilbout.

1472
01:09:02,080 --> 01:09:03,360
Speaker 3: So yeah, I mean there was a bunch of guys

1473
01:09:03,360 --> 01:09:05,080
Speaker 3: who wrote. Think it was like one hundred guys who wrote.

1474
01:09:05,080 --> 01:09:08,240
Speaker 3: But in the case of Carwin, let me just push

1475
01:09:08,280 --> 01:09:10,519
Speaker 3: back if I may a little bit in a friendly way,

1476
01:09:10,560 --> 01:09:15,120
Speaker 3: which is he didn't actually blame the UFC for what

1477
01:09:15,240 --> 01:09:17,360
Speaker 3: had happened to him. He did acknowledge that a career

1478
01:09:17,439 --> 01:09:20,240
Speaker 3: in fighting and training had put him in this place,

1479
01:09:20,800 --> 01:09:23,000
Speaker 3: but all he was basically doing was asking the judge

1480
01:09:23,000 --> 01:09:25,280
Speaker 3: to agree to a settlement that the UFC itself, along

1481
01:09:25,360 --> 01:09:28,720
Speaker 3: with the plaintiffs had agreed. And to me, like, if

1482
01:09:28,760 --> 01:09:32,599
Speaker 3: you have addiction issues and traumatic brain issues, especially related

1483
01:09:32,600 --> 01:09:34,640
Speaker 3: to medical information that he probably didn't have at the

1484
01:09:34,680 --> 01:09:37,799
Speaker 3: beginning of his career, I guess I'm a little confused

1485
01:09:37,800 --> 01:09:39,960
Speaker 3: why he isn't entitled to a little bit more sympathy

1486
01:09:40,000 --> 01:09:44,200
Speaker 3: for a complex problem that financial management by itself probably

1487
01:09:44,240 --> 01:09:45,000
Speaker 3: wouldn't solve.

1488
01:09:47,040 --> 01:09:49,719
Speaker 7: Yeah, what Faucherber sent, It's funny you mentioned that because

1489
01:09:49,760 --> 01:09:51,959
Speaker 7: out there I got off the phone, off the interview.

1490
01:09:52,320 --> 01:09:54,719
Speaker 4: You know, I think it was that two.

1491
01:09:54,680 --> 01:09:56,840
Speaker 7: Hour talk, three maybe two and a half hour talk,

1492
01:09:57,240 --> 01:10:00,040
Speaker 7: not just with the athletes, but one of my my

1493
01:10:00,080 --> 01:10:01,439
Speaker 7: best friend, who's uh.

1494
01:10:03,640 --> 01:10:05,000
Speaker 4: He built homes for a living.

1495
01:10:04,800 --> 01:10:08,160
Speaker 7: And he and he comes at a thing outside of

1496
01:10:08,200 --> 01:10:12,040
Speaker 7: the box, and you know, I think with Shane Karwen's

1497
01:10:12,040 --> 01:10:15,519
Speaker 7: situation is absolutely horrible, you know. And then I watched

1498
01:10:15,520 --> 01:10:17,720
Speaker 7: the brand of Shopping and I was looking at him

1499
01:10:17,960 --> 01:10:22,400
Speaker 7: and like, for me, I just basically speak what comes

1500
01:10:22,400 --> 01:10:25,040
Speaker 7: to my mind when I hear the situation, right, And

1501
01:10:25,080 --> 01:10:26,960
Speaker 7: the first one was when it came to you know,

1502
01:10:27,320 --> 01:10:29,679
Speaker 7: Shane Carmon's thing is different. I know much more about

1503
01:10:29,760 --> 01:10:32,920
Speaker 7: his whole situation. But when it came towards like the

1504
01:10:32,920 --> 01:10:35,240
Speaker 7: bend Le Silver, the Kung Lee's and all that stuff,

1505
01:10:35,680 --> 01:10:38,320
Speaker 7: I felt like those guys pie made more money than me. Right,

1506
01:10:38,400 --> 01:10:41,200
Speaker 7: That's that's why I told Eric Jane. And then when

1507
01:10:41,240 --> 01:10:44,160
Speaker 7: I looked at Shane Carmen saying, I'm like man, and

1508
01:10:44,240 --> 01:10:46,960
Speaker 7: after hearing Brenda shop how he was saying, like we

1509
01:10:47,000 --> 01:10:48,800
Speaker 7: would spar super hard.

1510
01:10:48,840 --> 01:10:50,320
Speaker 4: We'll get in the car, we have no idea where

1511
01:10:50,360 --> 01:10:50,760
Speaker 4: we're going.

1512
01:10:51,120 --> 01:10:53,000
Speaker 7: And then he did study saying that like he was

1513
01:10:53,160 --> 01:10:56,760
Speaker 7: more susceptible to you know, concussions, brain injuries and all

1514
01:10:56,760 --> 01:11:00,679
Speaker 7: that stuff. And now like, no, I agree, let's hopefully

1515
01:11:00,800 --> 01:11:03,040
Speaker 7: judge or prouises the five hundred million. Shout out to

1516
01:11:03,080 --> 01:11:05,120
Speaker 7: you for shout out to you for following it more,

1517
01:11:05,200 --> 01:11:07,479
Speaker 7: because that's how I find out that all the stuff

1518
01:11:07,520 --> 01:11:08,080
Speaker 7: that's going on.

1519
01:11:09,280 --> 01:11:09,920
Speaker 4: And yeah, I.

1520
01:11:09,920 --> 01:11:12,519
Speaker 7: Hope I hope he gets the aid that he needs

1521
01:11:12,600 --> 01:11:15,920
Speaker 7: to help his life be better. You know, But I

1522
01:11:16,200 --> 01:11:19,080
Speaker 7: think like I said before like when I when I

1523
01:11:19,120 --> 01:11:21,920
Speaker 7: read those things, it's heartbreaking. But then as like even

1524
01:11:21,960 --> 01:11:23,639
Speaker 7: when I talk to my friend, he goes, well when

1525
01:11:23,640 --> 01:11:26,439
Speaker 7: I read it as an outsider, my first thing is that,

1526
01:11:26,560 --> 01:11:28,960
Speaker 7: like what do those guys do with their money? And

1527
01:11:29,000 --> 01:11:31,240
Speaker 7: then that's when the whole three our conversation went and

1528
01:11:31,280 --> 01:11:33,680
Speaker 7: like who's fault is it? Who should get Vaulveda da

1529
01:11:33,760 --> 01:11:37,559
Speaker 7: da dah. I mean, we can have this conversation and

1530
01:11:37,640 --> 01:11:40,000
Speaker 7: like I almost want to do it. Like I was

1531
01:11:40,040 --> 01:11:42,680
Speaker 7: talking to er Hawani, my producer, and I was like,

1532
01:11:42,720 --> 01:11:44,040
Speaker 7: why don't we all sit down and just have a

1533
01:11:44,080 --> 01:11:48,280
Speaker 7: conversation about like how much money should these guys get paid.

1534
01:11:48,320 --> 01:11:51,719
Speaker 7: I mean it's you know, it was a long conversation

1535
01:11:51,880 --> 01:11:55,679
Speaker 7: about monopoly where there's a lot of fighters who left.

1536
01:11:56,080 --> 01:11:59,080
Speaker 4: You know, here's here's a good example, baby.

1537
01:11:59,120 --> 01:12:02,880
Speaker 7: I'm the Fernandez, one of the best athletes over in Asia,

1538
01:12:02,960 --> 01:12:05,280
Speaker 7: one of the best poundful round fighters in the world.

1539
01:12:06,000 --> 01:12:07,280
Speaker 4: There was a time when he was going to sign

1540
01:12:07,280 --> 01:12:10,920
Speaker 4: the UFC, and the UFC offered him.

1541
01:12:11,080 --> 01:12:14,439
Speaker 7: At this time, we had dream we had I think

1542
01:12:14,439 --> 01:12:19,560
Speaker 7: Bellatore was around, UFC was around, and another company was

1543
01:12:19,600 --> 01:12:21,200
Speaker 7: I'm not sure who else was around. But the uf

1544
01:12:21,240 --> 01:12:24,559
Speaker 7: he offered him fifteen to fifteen, and he said, are

1545
01:12:24,600 --> 01:12:27,240
Speaker 7: you fucking kidding me? He goes fifteen and fifteen, He goes,

1546
01:12:27,439 --> 01:12:28,960
Speaker 7: I make way more than that.

1547
01:12:29,000 --> 01:12:31,280
Speaker 4: Over here in Asia. He goes, I don't care about

1548
01:12:31,320 --> 01:12:33,000
Speaker 4: being a UFC champion. I don't.

1549
01:12:33,000 --> 01:12:35,400
Speaker 7: I truly don't care. I care about making as much

1550
01:12:35,439 --> 01:12:39,840
Speaker 7: money as possible. So he didn't sign with the UFC. So, yeah,

1551
01:12:40,040 --> 01:12:42,920
Speaker 7: it's it's it's an interesting thing that I would love

1552
01:12:43,000 --> 01:12:45,559
Speaker 7: to do, like a sit down and just like raw

1553
01:12:45,600 --> 01:12:48,280
Speaker 7: as fucked, just like, okay, let's talk about it, guys,

1554
01:12:48,320 --> 01:12:52,000
Speaker 7: like let's the tables open, you know, let's do it.

1555
01:12:52,439 --> 01:12:55,640
Speaker 7: So but yeah, the thing with Shane Corwin I have.

1556
01:12:55,880 --> 01:12:58,479
Speaker 7: I didn't have as much information, but after listening to Bretishop,

1557
01:12:58,520 --> 01:13:00,160
Speaker 7: yeah I want him to get date. You know, even

1558
01:13:00,160 --> 01:13:02,240
Speaker 7: when I saw the money he made forty thousand to

1559
01:13:02,280 --> 01:13:05,839
Speaker 7: fight you know, brock lesnar Brocklez who made four hundred thousand,

1560
01:13:06,280 --> 01:13:09,800
Speaker 7: it's fucking it's fucking crazy. That's it's a huge discrepancy

1561
01:13:09,880 --> 01:13:14,720
Speaker 7: in pay. But once again, we signed the contract. You know,

1562
01:13:15,439 --> 01:13:18,599
Speaker 7: I mean I might justifying anything. I'm just just being

1563
01:13:19,160 --> 01:13:22,840
Speaker 7: honest just that. I mean, fuck, I fought Kiyamamoto. He

1564
01:13:22,920 --> 01:13:25,040
Speaker 7: made fifteen and fifteen and I made five thousand.

1565
01:13:25,520 --> 01:13:27,760
Speaker 3: You made five K to fight kid Yamamoto.

1566
01:13:28,280 --> 01:13:30,400
Speaker 7: I mean at once I made fight to show, fight

1567
01:13:30,520 --> 01:13:33,280
Speaker 7: to win, but hey, I signed the fucking contract, right.

1568
01:13:33,160 --> 01:13:38,639
Speaker 3: It's it's you know, holy shit, that's wow DJ Wow.

1569
01:13:39,040 --> 01:13:42,040
Speaker 2: Well, look, if I was asked about your great career,

1570
01:13:42,080 --> 01:13:44,080
Speaker 2: and I could bring up a lot of great things,

1571
01:13:44,120 --> 01:13:47,840
Speaker 2: the title, defense, streak, the well rounded aspect of your game,

1572
01:13:47,880 --> 01:13:52,040
Speaker 2: but I would certainly say consistency. You were always consistent

1573
01:13:52,200 --> 01:13:54,639
Speaker 2: in your output. It wasn't like you dropped the title

1574
01:13:54,680 --> 01:13:56,280
Speaker 2: two or three times and had to go back and

1575
01:13:56,320 --> 01:13:58,840
Speaker 2: win it back. In that regard, and I tied this

1576
01:13:58,920 --> 01:14:01,599
Speaker 2: into how you've been it's an interview subject. I've probably

1577
01:14:01,680 --> 01:14:03,679
Speaker 2: chatted with you seven, eight nine times in the last

1578
01:14:03,680 --> 01:14:07,160
Speaker 2: twelve years, and you were never like ready to suffer

1579
01:14:07,240 --> 01:14:09,040
Speaker 2: us as fools. Like if we're setting you up to

1580
01:14:09,040 --> 01:14:11,080
Speaker 2: say something bad about data, you'd sniff it out. If

1581
01:14:11,080 --> 01:14:13,080
Speaker 2: we're setting you up to, you know, talk trash about

1582
01:14:13,080 --> 01:14:15,400
Speaker 2: an opponent, you'd sniff it out. But what I respected

1583
01:14:15,400 --> 01:14:17,600
Speaker 2: the most about that was you seem to have an

1584
01:14:17,760 --> 01:14:22,040
Speaker 2: understanding of what this job really is and what everything

1585
01:14:22,240 --> 01:14:25,120
Speaker 2: means in it in relation to your own mental health

1586
01:14:25,120 --> 01:14:27,160
Speaker 2: and how you look at it. That the biggest thing

1587
01:14:27,160 --> 01:14:29,439
Speaker 2: I respect about you most is when you lose the

1588
01:14:29,479 --> 01:14:32,880
Speaker 2: title to Suhudo in the UFC. I'm going, man, he

1589
01:14:32,960 --> 01:14:36,200
Speaker 2: got screwed on the cards. He had two injuries coming

1590
01:14:36,240 --> 01:14:40,000
Speaker 2: in and this guy's not even talking about a trilogy

1591
01:14:40,120 --> 01:14:42,559
Speaker 2: or an immediate rematch. He's just like, yeah, it is

1592
01:14:42,600 --> 01:14:45,840
Speaker 2: what it is. Congratulation, Henry, here's your title. How much

1593
01:14:45,840 --> 01:14:49,439
Speaker 2: do you think you having a mature understanding early in

1594
01:14:49,479 --> 01:14:53,760
Speaker 2: your career of what this really is helped that consistency

1595
01:14:53,800 --> 01:14:55,679
Speaker 2: over time and your performances.

1596
01:14:56,280 --> 01:14:57,120
Speaker 4: It helped me in time.

1597
01:14:58,280 --> 01:14:58,479
Speaker 6: You know.

1598
01:14:58,520 --> 01:15:00,560
Speaker 7: That's when I thinks, Matt said that that made me

1599
01:15:00,680 --> 01:15:02,800
Speaker 7: such a great athlete is that I view this as

1600
01:15:02,840 --> 01:15:04,479
Speaker 7: a job. I show up to the gym, I would

1601
01:15:04,520 --> 01:15:06,960
Speaker 7: put my I'll put my hours in, and then I

1602
01:15:06,960 --> 01:15:10,920
Speaker 7: would go home and live my my husband life or

1603
01:15:11,160 --> 01:15:14,599
Speaker 7: my daily life, my civilian life as I would call it.

1604
01:15:15,520 --> 01:15:16,719
Speaker 4: And I mean it's true.

1605
01:15:17,439 --> 01:15:21,160
Speaker 7: The UFC or One Championship and PFL, whoever it may be,

1606
01:15:21,200 --> 01:15:22,559
Speaker 7: they contract you to fight.

1607
01:15:23,360 --> 01:15:25,200
Speaker 4: They don't contract you to come wash the.

1608
01:15:25,200 --> 01:15:28,479
Speaker 7: Tables or you know, do media all the media all

1609
01:15:28,520 --> 01:15:31,679
Speaker 7: life stuff that's extra, But truly it's like Marshawn Lynch,

1610
01:15:31,800 --> 01:15:34,160
Speaker 7: What did the NFL contracting to do to run that

1611
01:15:34,240 --> 01:15:38,040
Speaker 7: motherfucking ball? So they contracted me to fight? So I

1612
01:15:38,080 --> 01:15:40,800
Speaker 7: would show up and fight. I win, I get my check,

1613
01:15:40,840 --> 01:15:43,600
Speaker 7: I go home. If I lose, I still get my

1614
01:15:43,680 --> 01:15:46,599
Speaker 7: check and I go home. So why would anything else change?

1615
01:15:46,920 --> 01:15:49,200
Speaker 7: And I think for me at that time, when I

1616
01:15:49,240 --> 01:15:51,120
Speaker 7: lost to Henry, I was like, well, I mean I

1617
01:15:51,200 --> 01:15:53,080
Speaker 7: lost to him, and I took a step back, and

1618
01:15:53,120 --> 01:15:54,639
Speaker 7: I was like, I beat Henry with one on one,

1619
01:15:55,280 --> 01:15:59,240
Speaker 7: I can either, you know, try if I were to

1620
01:15:59,280 --> 01:16:02,240
Speaker 7: beat Henry this second time, I mean, yeah, beat him

1621
01:16:02,240 --> 01:16:04,479
Speaker 7: the second time for the third fight, I'll still be

1622
01:16:04,520 --> 01:16:07,040
Speaker 7: stuck in the UFC. If I was to lose to

1623
01:16:07,080 --> 01:16:09,880
Speaker 7: Henry for a second time, I will.

1624
01:16:09,760 --> 01:16:11,519
Speaker 4: Still be stuck in the UFC.

1625
01:16:12,320 --> 01:16:15,680
Speaker 7: And there there was like there was no win win

1626
01:16:15,760 --> 01:16:19,240
Speaker 7: there essentially right like I've lost the Domina Cruz. I'm

1627
01:16:19,240 --> 01:16:21,759
Speaker 7: not gonna try it. I don't care losses or losses,

1628
01:16:21,800 --> 01:16:24,280
Speaker 7: wins Winnesday happened. So for me, that's why I felt

1629
01:16:24,320 --> 01:16:26,200
Speaker 7: like the logical thing was if there's a way I

1630
01:16:26,240 --> 01:16:28,719
Speaker 7: can get out of my contract. It was just tomorrow

1631
01:16:28,720 --> 01:16:31,759
Speaker 7: I seem to do and that's when the trade came about, essentially.

1632
01:16:32,320 --> 01:16:35,920
Speaker 4: So but yeah, I've always viewed, you know, fighting as

1633
01:16:35,920 --> 01:16:36,320
Speaker 4: a job.

1634
01:16:38,080 --> 01:16:40,240
Speaker 2: I think that's helped you in so many ways across

1635
01:16:40,280 --> 01:16:43,120
Speaker 2: the board. I won't even waste the time in asking you,

1636
01:16:43,120 --> 01:16:45,599
Speaker 2: you know, everybody has the price for the million dollar man,

1637
01:16:45,640 --> 01:16:47,200
Speaker 2: what would it take for you to come back? Because

1638
01:16:47,200 --> 01:16:49,320
Speaker 2: I don't even believe you would because you've always been

1639
01:16:49,560 --> 01:16:51,519
Speaker 2: so stuck to your principles. So what do you want

1640
01:16:51,560 --> 01:16:54,320
Speaker 2: to see your role in MMA? And you know you're

1641
01:16:54,320 --> 01:16:56,360
Speaker 2: doing great work on a YouTube channel. I hear you

1642
01:16:56,400 --> 01:16:59,120
Speaker 2: talk about helping out fighters and training. What do you

1643
01:16:59,160 --> 01:17:00,960
Speaker 2: want to be in the to make space over the

1644
01:17:00,960 --> 01:17:02,360
Speaker 2: next fifteen to twenty years.

1645
01:17:03,479 --> 01:17:05,320
Speaker 4: You know, it's not like the MMA space I del

1646
01:17:05,320 --> 01:17:05,920
Speaker 4: this is an.

1647
01:17:08,960 --> 01:17:11,320
Speaker 7: You know, I think, you know, actually in MMA space

1648
01:17:11,320 --> 01:17:15,840
Speaker 7: probably one of the best podcasters interviewers. You know, I

1649
01:17:15,880 --> 01:17:17,880
Speaker 7: love talking to athletes. I've been in their shoes for

1650
01:17:17,920 --> 01:17:20,639
Speaker 7: the most part when it comes you know, I've.

1651
01:17:20,439 --> 01:17:22,360
Speaker 4: Been on both sides of the defense. You know. When

1652
01:17:22,360 --> 01:17:23,920
Speaker 4: I first started fighting for you.

1653
01:17:23,840 --> 01:17:26,960
Speaker 7: Know, WC, my first paycheck was three and three and

1654
01:17:27,160 --> 01:17:30,360
Speaker 7: I've I've went from three to three to showing up

1655
01:17:30,360 --> 01:17:32,400
Speaker 7: making three hundred and eighty thousand. So I've been on that.

1656
01:17:32,479 --> 01:17:35,479
Speaker 7: I've been on that climb. You know, I've done eight

1657
01:17:35,520 --> 01:17:39,200
Speaker 7: and a half pound weight cut before it's had to fight.

1658
01:17:39,600 --> 01:17:43,040
Speaker 7: I've done you know, I fought with a broken lake before,

1659
01:17:43,080 --> 01:17:44,720
Speaker 7: I fought with a broken umber before, I fought with

1660
01:17:44,760 --> 01:17:48,400
Speaker 7: a broken hand before. I've had ins and outs with

1661
01:17:48,560 --> 01:17:50,640
Speaker 7: the USC before. You know, I've been I fought for

1662
01:17:50,680 --> 01:17:53,320
Speaker 7: a different organization. I became a champion of different organization.

1663
01:17:53,439 --> 01:17:56,640
Speaker 7: So I would say out of every single you know,

1664
01:17:56,720 --> 01:17:59,040
Speaker 7: person out there who's doing a podcast in the mixed

1665
01:17:59,080 --> 01:18:01,160
Speaker 7: martial arts space, I would say, they don't have the

1666
01:18:01,200 --> 01:18:06,960
Speaker 7: same experience that I've had, like the athletes have had, right,

1667
01:18:07,040 --> 01:18:09,040
Speaker 7: so I can connect with those guys on a different level.

1668
01:18:09,040 --> 01:18:11,320
Speaker 7: We actually, you know, I just have bonago on. We talked,

1669
01:18:11,360 --> 01:18:13,720
Speaker 7: you know, we talked a great conversation and afterwards we

1670
01:18:13,760 --> 01:18:15,920
Speaker 7: talk for another forty five minutes off camera, just about

1671
01:18:15,960 --> 01:18:19,960
Speaker 7: training and just trying to navigate a career. So I

1672
01:18:19,960 --> 01:18:22,679
Speaker 7: would love to be, you know, active in that space

1673
01:18:22,720 --> 01:18:24,439
Speaker 7: and known for that. You know, obviously you have chilstunding

1674
01:18:24,439 --> 01:18:25,559
Speaker 7: and you have a lot of good guys, but those

1675
01:18:25,600 --> 01:18:27,479
Speaker 7: guys don't really do to sit down interviews and like,

1676
01:18:27,680 --> 01:18:31,280
Speaker 7: you know, hear the athlete story and obviously keep on

1677
01:18:31,360 --> 01:18:32,400
Speaker 7: helping the guys that I like.

1678
01:18:32,439 --> 01:18:33,960
Speaker 4: You know, I've you know, I've trained.

1679
01:18:34,000 --> 01:18:35,760
Speaker 7: I don't want to say help, but I've trained with

1680
01:18:35,800 --> 01:18:40,320
Speaker 7: Al Joe, I've trained with Brenda Moreno.

1681
01:18:40,240 --> 01:18:42,800
Speaker 4: Just a couple of guys that I run into. But there,

1682
01:18:43,160 --> 01:18:44,400
Speaker 4: that's what I'm more focused on.

1683
01:18:44,479 --> 01:18:47,559
Speaker 7: It's just building the YouTube and the podcast space inte.

1684
01:18:51,240 --> 01:18:52,800
Speaker 3: Oh no, did we lose him?

1685
01:18:53,240 --> 01:18:54,519
Speaker 2: I hope we didn't lose the mouse.

1686
01:18:55,560 --> 01:18:56,360
Speaker 3: Did we lose him?

1687
01:18:57,760 --> 01:18:59,680
Speaker 2: Good stuff coming out of DJ right here?

1688
01:19:00,320 --> 01:19:02,759
Speaker 3: I lost me to just cut out on Jesus.

1689
01:19:02,760 --> 01:19:03,719
Speaker 6: We'll see if he rejoins.

1690
01:19:04,000 --> 01:19:05,559
Speaker 3: We'll give him a few minutes to see what's up.

1691
01:19:06,800 --> 01:19:09,640
Speaker 3: He's doing well, the mouse is doing. We see. That

1692
01:19:09,760 --> 01:19:12,120
Speaker 3: is the worst motherfucking camera I've ever seen in my life.

1693
01:19:12,160 --> 01:19:14,640
Speaker 3: Oh there he is. He's been Oh yeah, I was

1694
01:19:14,680 --> 01:19:16,840
Speaker 3: just I was just It's no problem. And listen, it's

1695
01:19:17,400 --> 01:19:20,639
Speaker 3: look at look at Brian Campbell's camera. Yours not even

1696
01:19:20,680 --> 01:19:23,679
Speaker 3: being on is better than his being on. How about that.

1697
01:19:23,800 --> 01:19:25,120
Speaker 4: He's better off using his phone.

1698
01:19:25,120 --> 01:19:30,719
Speaker 7: I know I used in his laptop, I mean iPhone,

1699
01:19:30,840 --> 01:19:33,560
Speaker 7: is like the iPhone nowadays is more expensive than a

1700
01:19:33,600 --> 01:19:34,519
Speaker 7: regular laptop.

1701
01:19:34,640 --> 01:19:38,200
Speaker 4: You know, it's like sixteen hundred bucks. So but yeah,

1702
01:19:38,240 --> 01:19:38,960
Speaker 4: put back to the thing.

1703
01:19:39,280 --> 01:19:41,439
Speaker 7: I'm more focused on just building the brand in the

1704
01:19:41,479 --> 01:19:44,719
Speaker 7: YouTube space and the Mighty cast. That's something I truly

1705
01:19:44,800 --> 01:19:47,519
Speaker 7: love doing. I don't see it as a job because

1706
01:19:47,520 --> 01:19:49,280
Speaker 7: I don't have to do it. It's something that I

1707
01:19:50,400 --> 01:19:53,240
Speaker 7: love to do and it's bringing a lot of enjoyment

1708
01:19:53,280 --> 01:19:53,479
Speaker 7: for me.

1709
01:19:54,240 --> 01:19:57,320
Speaker 2: Well, DJ, you've left behind that one championship a great rival,

1710
01:19:57,560 --> 01:20:00,479
Speaker 2: and Adriano Mariisi will be coming back at one one

1711
01:20:00,640 --> 01:20:03,519
Speaker 2: sixty nine November eighteenth. It's a number one versus number

1712
01:20:03,600 --> 01:20:06,719
Speaker 2: three contender fight at flyweight when he takes on Danny

1713
01:20:06,840 --> 01:20:09,800
Speaker 2: King Good. I hope I said that correctly. What are

1714
01:20:09,840 --> 01:20:13,000
Speaker 2: your thoughts on that one flyweight division moving forward and

1715
01:20:13,040 --> 01:20:15,559
Speaker 2: tied into that, Will you have a role I don't know,

1716
01:20:15,560 --> 01:20:18,799
Speaker 2: an ambassador, a broadcast or anything with one moving forward?

1717
01:20:19,240 --> 01:20:21,360
Speaker 4: Yeah? I I so let's come without the fight first.

1718
01:20:21,400 --> 01:20:25,760
Speaker 7: Adrian mariahs the longest reigning, one of the longest raining

1719
01:20:25,880 --> 01:20:28,880
Speaker 7: champions in one championship, the longest graining champion in the

1720
01:20:28,880 --> 01:20:29,719
Speaker 7: flyweight division.

1721
01:20:30,720 --> 01:20:32,479
Speaker 4: He's beat me. He's the only guys that ever gave

1722
01:20:32,520 --> 01:20:33,920
Speaker 4: me and not got lost in my career.

1723
01:20:34,680 --> 01:20:39,519
Speaker 7: Uh after the amazing athlete, amazing Brazilian to take it

1724
01:20:39,560 --> 01:20:41,840
Speaker 7: on a you know a guy he's fought before, he's

1725
01:20:41,840 --> 01:20:44,320
Speaker 7: submitted before, they've I think they've fought twice before.

1726
01:20:44,360 --> 01:20:47,639
Speaker 4: I could be wrong. You know Danny King Dad, he's

1727
01:20:47,680 --> 01:20:49,479
Speaker 4: kind of been out of the game a little bit.

1728
01:20:49,760 --> 01:20:52,760
Speaker 4: And I think the divisions, it's in an interesting spot, right.

1729
01:20:52,800 --> 01:20:56,040
Speaker 7: You know, you have Kayakuatov who's also been a world champion,

1730
01:20:56,720 --> 01:21:00,639
Speaker 7: and him Adriano have fought, They've had some battle in

1731
01:21:00,720 --> 01:21:04,439
Speaker 7: the past, and I'm excited to see what Adrion is

1732
01:21:04,479 --> 01:21:06,719
Speaker 7: gonna be able to do after coming off two losses

1733
01:21:06,760 --> 01:21:09,920
Speaker 7: from me. And I think the division we just seed

1734
01:21:09,920 --> 01:21:14,360
Speaker 7: more more talent, right, I think the talent, the talent

1735
01:21:14,439 --> 01:21:16,720
Speaker 7: poll for the Flyways we can use a little more.

1736
01:21:16,680 --> 01:21:18,040
Speaker 4: Because the A drones beat all those guys.

1737
01:21:18,040 --> 01:21:20,120
Speaker 7: Because Adion has been there for a very very long time,

1738
01:21:20,680 --> 01:21:22,680
Speaker 7: so it should be interested in fighting. I can't what

1739
01:21:22,760 --> 01:21:24,360
Speaker 7: they see it. And as far as me as an

1740
01:21:24,360 --> 01:21:27,000
Speaker 7: ad best road, yeah, I'm my job is not my job.

1741
01:21:27,240 --> 01:21:29,719
Speaker 7: My goal is to help one championship, build a brand

1742
01:21:29,880 --> 01:21:34,320
Speaker 7: and keep on helping whether it's me commentating. You know, obviously,

1743
01:21:34,320 --> 01:21:36,759
Speaker 7: commentating is not a very easy job. As you guys

1744
01:21:36,880 --> 01:21:39,439
Speaker 7: you know know that you got to enounciate that the

1745
01:21:39,520 --> 01:21:40,519
Speaker 7: names very well.

1746
01:21:41,240 --> 01:21:42,400
Speaker 4: For me, I like to.

1747
01:21:42,560 --> 01:21:45,880
Speaker 7: Get my perspective of the fight as it's happening instead

1748
01:21:45,920 --> 01:21:47,240
Speaker 7: of doing all my research.

1749
01:21:47,920 --> 01:21:49,280
Speaker 4: That's the same thing I do with my interviews.

1750
01:21:49,320 --> 01:21:51,680
Speaker 7: I hate doing research before the guests because I want

1751
01:21:51,720 --> 01:21:53,320
Speaker 7: to get to know the guests as we talk.

1752
01:21:53,560 --> 01:21:56,000
Speaker 4: I don't want to know the guests before we talk,

1753
01:21:56,120 --> 01:21:56,960
Speaker 4: if that makes sense.

1754
01:21:57,400 --> 01:22:01,439
Speaker 7: So that's why I feel like my my recipe how

1755
01:22:01,479 --> 01:22:05,800
Speaker 7: I approach things, it's a little more unique. Yeah, but

1756
01:22:06,080 --> 01:22:08,040
Speaker 7: I'm excited for the fight. I'm excited for where the

1757
01:22:08,040 --> 01:22:10,679
Speaker 7: company is gonna go. They got some bang of cars coming,

1758
01:22:10,720 --> 01:22:13,679
Speaker 7: cable tolls coming back to mixed martial arts. He's about

1759
01:22:13,680 --> 01:22:17,280
Speaker 7: to make another fight happen. And you got Editory Depitt

1760
01:22:17,280 --> 01:22:20,559
Speaker 7: in his belt against rubrug So it's some excited thing.

1761
01:22:20,680 --> 01:22:22,800
Speaker 7: I mean, even that fucking fight right there, r versus

1762
01:22:22,840 --> 01:22:25,200
Speaker 7: wild that that's a wild fight.

1763
01:22:25,280 --> 01:22:27,360
Speaker 4: Three three. I mean for me, I'm like, dude, you

1764
01:22:27,360 --> 01:22:28,479
Speaker 4: got three fucking belts.

1765
01:22:28,920 --> 01:22:31,960
Speaker 10: We gotta we gotta do something else, you know, you

1766
01:22:32,040 --> 01:22:35,000
Speaker 10: gotta you gotta you know, and that that's this is

1767
01:22:35,040 --> 01:22:36,960
Speaker 10: just me one of the things like like you Luke,

1768
01:22:37,040 --> 01:22:38,360
Speaker 10: I try to keep it real, but it's like, Okay,

1769
01:22:38,400 --> 01:22:40,559
Speaker 10: you got three belts. You know you saw r DR

1770
01:22:40,760 --> 01:22:42,719
Speaker 10: he left, so he's going to be trying his hand

1771
01:22:42,760 --> 01:22:44,559
Speaker 10: and you know the UFC.

1772
01:22:44,600 --> 01:22:45,880
Speaker 7: So I'm excited to see what he's gonna be able

1773
01:22:45,920 --> 01:22:47,960
Speaker 7: to do. I mean, it's now he's got to fight

1774
01:22:48,520 --> 01:22:51,000
Speaker 7: his natural weight class. One of these fights, he's gotta

1775
01:22:51,000 --> 01:22:53,320
Speaker 7: cut weight or he can go on seventy. There's no

1776
01:22:53,360 --> 01:22:56,320
Speaker 7: more hydration. So the ball, the ball. I always like

1777
01:22:56,360 --> 01:22:59,320
Speaker 7: for me, I like to follow storylines. That's what makes mixed.

1778
01:22:59,040 --> 01:23:00,559
Speaker 4: Martial arts special.

1779
01:23:00,840 --> 01:23:03,680
Speaker 7: When you have a storyline and you follow people's careers,

1780
01:23:04,160 --> 01:23:06,720
Speaker 7: that's what makes it special. So for me, when I

1781
01:23:06,760 --> 01:23:11,479
Speaker 7: follow Anatole's career, I'm like, you got three belts.

1782
01:23:11,120 --> 01:23:12,599
Speaker 4: They're truly probably no one.

1783
01:23:12,600 --> 01:23:15,240
Speaker 7: If you beat Rubrug, there's truly probably no one who's

1784
01:23:15,240 --> 01:23:17,600
Speaker 7: gonna be able to mess with you in one championship.

1785
01:23:19,040 --> 01:23:21,599
Speaker 7: One championship is gonna have to spend a lot of

1786
01:23:21,680 --> 01:23:25,639
Speaker 7: money to go find a big fish somewhere that people

1787
01:23:25,640 --> 01:23:26,439
Speaker 7: are gonna care about.

1788
01:23:26,600 --> 01:23:30,360
Speaker 4: And then once then you match that up then boom right.

1789
01:23:30,760 --> 01:23:33,439
Speaker 7: So, but yeah, I'm excited for the Fightwight Division. I'm

1790
01:23:33,479 --> 01:23:36,360
Speaker 7: excited for Agiano versus Dandy Key Dad to see what happens.

1791
01:23:37,880 --> 01:23:40,000
Speaker 3: Last one for me DJ. One of the things I

1792
01:23:40,000 --> 01:23:42,080
Speaker 3: love most about One, and I mean this quite genuinely,

1793
01:23:42,120 --> 01:23:44,200
Speaker 3: is I actually think their rule set is superior to

1794
01:23:44,320 --> 01:23:47,360
Speaker 3: the North American ten point must system. In particular, I

1795
01:23:47,400 --> 01:23:50,200
Speaker 3: like that they grade takedown defense offensively, but more to

1796
01:23:50,240 --> 01:23:52,920
Speaker 3: the point, I like that they judge fights as a whole.

1797
01:23:53,479 --> 01:23:57,240
Speaker 3: Having competed in both rule sets, could you feel the

1798
01:23:57,439 --> 01:24:02,120
Speaker 3: difference in how the rule sets made a difference in

1799
01:24:02,160 --> 01:24:05,320
Speaker 3: fights or was it There was no way to tell.

1800
01:24:05,360 --> 01:24:08,320
Speaker 7: Honestly, there's no way for me to tell because there's

1801
01:24:08,320 --> 01:24:09,200
Speaker 7: still rounds.

1802
01:24:09,400 --> 01:24:10,200
Speaker 4: Does that make sense?

1803
01:24:10,320 --> 01:24:11,000
Speaker 3: Right? Right?

1804
01:24:12,040 --> 01:24:12,320
Speaker 4: Right?

1805
01:24:12,439 --> 01:24:14,200
Speaker 7: It's like if I beat the shit I you the

1806
01:24:14,240 --> 01:24:16,400
Speaker 7: first round, then I beat the shit I e the

1807
01:24:16,439 --> 01:24:18,599
Speaker 7: second round, beat the shoot out of the third round,

1808
01:24:19,600 --> 01:24:21,320
Speaker 7: and then I say the fourth round you kind of

1809
01:24:21,360 --> 01:24:23,559
Speaker 7: have a you know your way. Then the fifth round

1810
01:24:23,640 --> 01:24:26,719
Speaker 7: is kind of like it's kind of hard. As an athlete,

1811
01:24:27,080 --> 01:24:28,680
Speaker 7: it's kind of hard, like I've never stay there, like

1812
01:24:29,439 --> 01:24:31,880
Speaker 7: you know even when I and I guess you say

1813
01:24:31,920 --> 01:24:32,920
Speaker 7: from my mindset.

1814
01:24:33,000 --> 01:24:35,160
Speaker 4: Well, I think it's more strategic for the age around

1815
01:24:35,200 --> 01:24:35,519
Speaker 4: a fight.

1816
01:24:36,120 --> 01:24:37,800
Speaker 7: You know, the second fight, I was just trying to

1817
01:24:38,200 --> 01:24:39,679
Speaker 7: We're just fighting the whole entire time.

1818
01:24:40,040 --> 01:24:41,519
Speaker 4: You know. I wasn't like, oh I won that round,

1819
01:24:41,520 --> 01:24:42,280
Speaker 4: he won that round.

1820
01:24:42,560 --> 01:24:44,400
Speaker 7: It's like I'm trying to get him to open up

1821
01:24:44,439 --> 01:24:47,080
Speaker 7: so I can land in that clean shot, that that knee.

1822
01:24:47,760 --> 01:24:51,280
Speaker 7: So I didn't really notice the difference. I don't know

1823
01:24:51,320 --> 01:24:54,519
Speaker 7: if you guys feel like you notice the difference as viewers.

1824
01:24:55,400 --> 01:24:58,479
Speaker 7: I think the only thing that's different from the one

1825
01:24:58,720 --> 01:25:01,880
Speaker 7: and to the North America product, it's just the knees

1826
01:25:01,920 --> 01:25:04,519
Speaker 7: on the ground, Like it keeps the fight moving. You know,

1827
01:25:04,960 --> 01:25:07,519
Speaker 7: you can't just stall there if you take a bad shot.

1828
01:25:07,640 --> 01:25:10,519
Speaker 7: I can, I can, and I head snap you down.

1829
01:25:10,840 --> 01:25:13,960
Speaker 7: I could punish. I could punish you instead of letting

1830
01:25:14,000 --> 01:25:14,759
Speaker 7: you get back.

1831
01:25:14,640 --> 01:25:17,160
Speaker 4: Up, right. That's that's the only thing that difference.

1832
01:25:17,400 --> 01:25:19,920
Speaker 7: And obviously the way cut in the hydration right Like

1833
01:25:20,920 --> 01:25:23,080
Speaker 7: for me, I was not going to make one twenty

1834
01:25:23,080 --> 01:25:27,080
Speaker 7: five hydrated, so I went one thirty five. And I

1835
01:25:27,120 --> 01:25:29,479
Speaker 7: think a lot of people they don't know the difference.

1836
01:25:29,520 --> 01:25:32,400
Speaker 7: There's a huge difference, like me making one twenty five

1837
01:25:32,640 --> 01:25:36,040
Speaker 7: dehydrated and being able to run my engine at a

1838
01:25:36,120 --> 01:25:38,960
Speaker 7: high level at for twenty five minutes.

1839
01:25:39,800 --> 01:25:42,320
Speaker 4: That's a task itself. So when you see.

1840
01:25:42,160 --> 01:25:45,400
Speaker 7: Guys like, oh, you know, let's look take for example,

1841
01:25:45,400 --> 01:25:48,559
Speaker 7: you know RDR. He was the one champion in one

1842
01:25:48,640 --> 01:25:51,920
Speaker 7: championship and I think he bought at one eight I

1843
01:25:51,960 --> 01:25:55,439
Speaker 7: could be wrong or two of five. These guys strip

1844
01:25:55,479 --> 01:25:57,559
Speaker 7: around so much, but he had a bas belt.

1845
01:25:59,200 --> 01:26:01,000
Speaker 4: So him come to the UFC.

1846
01:26:01,720 --> 01:26:05,160
Speaker 7: He is going to be fighting at once eighty five baby,

1847
01:26:05,280 --> 01:26:08,479
Speaker 7: or one seventy, you know, So he's gonna be fighting

1848
01:26:08,520 --> 01:26:10,439
Speaker 7: guys who are gonna be coming down from.

1849
01:26:10,280 --> 01:26:12,759
Speaker 4: Like two of five. You know, Luke.

1850
01:26:12,640 --> 01:26:14,320
Speaker 7: Rocko, it's massive, and I think he gets its two

1851
01:26:14,360 --> 01:26:16,439
Speaker 7: hundred pounds and he cuts down on one eighty five.

1852
01:26:16,520 --> 01:26:18,760
Speaker 7: So we'll see. But those are the two biggest things.

1853
01:26:18,920 --> 01:26:22,000
Speaker 7: That little ramp is a weight tightting and the knees

1854
01:26:22,080 --> 01:26:23,920
Speaker 7: is a ground. As far as scoring a fight as

1855
01:26:23,920 --> 01:26:26,439
Speaker 7: a whole, I don't even look at I don't use

1856
01:26:26,439 --> 01:26:29,040
Speaker 7: score fights as a whole. I just like, I mean,

1857
01:26:29,080 --> 01:26:31,040
Speaker 7: I'm just so customed to do it round by round

1858
01:26:31,080 --> 01:26:33,920
Speaker 7: by round because I've watched it for so many years.

1859
01:26:34,080 --> 01:26:37,280
Speaker 7: I mean, I've been watching round by round, even before

1860
01:26:38,439 --> 01:26:39,719
Speaker 7: you know the Pride days.

1861
01:26:41,479 --> 01:26:44,679
Speaker 2: TJ. Great chat with your final question for me appease

1862
01:26:44,760 --> 01:26:46,960
Speaker 2: the fanboy in me as I play with my awful

1863
01:26:47,000 --> 01:26:49,800
Speaker 2: set up here. If you don't go to one championship

1864
01:26:49,840 --> 01:26:53,040
Speaker 2: in twenty eighteen, what does the end of your career

1865
01:26:53,240 --> 01:26:55,880
Speaker 2: look like? Because you know, I used to always ask you,

1866
01:26:56,240 --> 01:26:58,360
Speaker 2: I want you to move back up to bantamway and

1867
01:26:58,400 --> 01:27:02,240
Speaker 2: conquer dominant cruise once in and become that two division champion.

1868
01:27:02,640 --> 01:27:05,679
Speaker 2: Did that? Would that have happened if Chasre and company

1869
01:27:05,720 --> 01:27:07,080
Speaker 2: never approach you and make that deal.

1870
01:27:08,439 --> 01:27:09,320
Speaker 4: Honestly, I don't know.

1871
01:27:09,439 --> 01:27:11,640
Speaker 7: I think if that never would happen, I think I

1872
01:27:11,640 --> 01:27:14,040
Speaker 7: would have fought him orci hudo for the third time.

1873
01:27:14,560 --> 01:27:16,800
Speaker 7: That would have been a tough fight because Himry's very good.

1874
01:27:16,880 --> 01:27:18,919
Speaker 7: He does he doesn't get enough credit that he deserves.

1875
01:27:19,360 --> 01:27:21,759
Speaker 7: Himry's very good. He's probably one of the most disciplined

1876
01:27:21,800 --> 01:27:25,719
Speaker 7: fighters I've ever trained with, just because he's more focused

1877
01:27:25,760 --> 01:27:29,640
Speaker 7: on winning instead of and this is no disrespect him.

1878
01:27:29,640 --> 01:27:31,200
Speaker 7: I mean I would tell him to his face. I

1879
01:27:31,479 --> 01:27:35,400
Speaker 7: told him this to his face. He's more focused on

1880
01:27:35,560 --> 01:27:38,960
Speaker 7: winning instead of like I'm not here trying to focus

1881
01:27:39,080 --> 01:27:41,840
Speaker 7: on like Okay, let's work the laso guard to the

1882
01:27:41,920 --> 01:27:45,320
Speaker 7: sweep and then go to the delihva, sit up past

1883
01:27:45,400 --> 01:27:47,320
Speaker 7: the lapel underneath.

1884
01:27:46,760 --> 01:27:48,960
Speaker 4: And we have warm guard. Then we're gonna swing our

1885
01:27:48,960 --> 01:27:50,080
Speaker 4: foot around this way.

1886
01:27:50,439 --> 01:27:55,320
Speaker 7: I might never use that in my competition, not once

1887
01:27:55,960 --> 01:28:02,120
Speaker 7: foods in my love. I never use that in my

1888
01:28:02,120 --> 01:28:05,240
Speaker 7: my my jujitsu career in a competition. And what I

1889
01:28:05,280 --> 01:28:07,040
Speaker 7: mean by that is like Henry, he would focus on

1890
01:28:07,080 --> 01:28:08,960
Speaker 7: the things that are going to work in the fight

1891
01:28:09,040 --> 01:28:09,840
Speaker 7: and only the fight.

1892
01:28:09,920 --> 01:28:12,680
Speaker 4: So when we train, it's it's.

1893
01:28:12,880 --> 01:28:16,000
Speaker 7: You know, you go the next day, the same thing,

1894
01:28:16,040 --> 01:28:18,000
Speaker 7: the next day the same thing, where it's like, hey,

1895
01:28:18,040 --> 01:28:18,559
Speaker 7: what's working?

1896
01:28:18,720 --> 01:28:20,920
Speaker 4: Like how to do you know this?

1897
01:28:21,120 --> 01:28:24,800
Speaker 7: We might never use this in a fight, So that

1898
01:28:24,840 --> 01:28:26,639
Speaker 7: fight would have been hard. If I were to lose

1899
01:28:26,680 --> 01:28:28,800
Speaker 7: to him, then I'm on two fight losing streak. If

1900
01:28:28,840 --> 01:28:31,080
Speaker 7: i were to beat him, then I'm on you know,

1901
01:28:31,240 --> 01:28:33,519
Speaker 7: then I basically beat everybody in the division. Do you

1902
01:28:33,600 --> 01:28:36,799
Speaker 7: have a new wave obvious Pantosia. You have Branda Marino

1903
01:28:36,880 --> 01:28:39,160
Speaker 7: come in, you have Brandon Royal come in. You know,

1904
01:28:39,280 --> 01:28:42,400
Speaker 7: tax to retire, I come in. Those guys, you know,

1905
01:28:42,600 --> 01:28:43,400
Speaker 7: those guys are.

1906
01:28:43,360 --> 01:28:43,920
Speaker 4: The big thing.

1907
01:28:44,040 --> 01:28:46,240
Speaker 7: I'm thirty eight now I'm thirty eight right now, so

1908
01:28:46,240 --> 01:28:47,800
Speaker 7: I probably be at one thirty five because I don't

1909
01:28:47,800 --> 01:28:49,840
Speaker 7: see myself cut to that. Then you're gonna deal with

1910
01:28:49,880 --> 01:28:53,880
Speaker 7: the monster like Aljame Sterling. I mean, who knows, but

1911
01:28:54,360 --> 01:28:57,439
Speaker 7: you know, you look at the the landscape. Now, Dominic

1912
01:28:57,479 --> 01:28:59,280
Speaker 7: Cruz isn't in this space. He has been in this

1913
01:28:59,320 --> 01:29:01,000
Speaker 7: space for about three or four years.

1914
01:29:01,040 --> 01:29:01,720
Speaker 4: So I don't know if that.

1915
01:29:01,800 --> 01:29:05,080
Speaker 7: Would even it ever happen essentially, but you know, I'm

1916
01:29:05,080 --> 01:29:07,200
Speaker 7: glad what happen. I'm glad Chattree came. I'm glad one

1917
01:29:07,240 --> 01:29:09,360
Speaker 7: championship game and I was able to go to a

1918
01:29:09,439 --> 01:29:14,160
Speaker 7: company that value the my my division a lot more

1919
01:29:14,200 --> 01:29:16,479
Speaker 7: than the North America did.

1920
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Speaker 2: Class Act always demetrious, congratulations on a great career. Thank

1921
01:29:21,200 --> 01:29:23,320
Speaker 2: you so much for joining us and give us the time.

1922
01:29:23,520 --> 01:29:26,160
Speaker 2: Can you plug your your YouTube channel where the people

1923
01:29:26,160 --> 01:29:27,240
Speaker 2: can watch all these great.

1924
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Speaker 4: Interviews, Yes, yes, sir measure you guys check out the

1925
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Speaker 4: Mighty Cast. It is on the YouTube channel.

1926
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Speaker 7: Just going there to type of Mighty gaming our Mighty

1927
01:29:33,360 --> 01:29:36,960
Speaker 7: Cast or to mich Johnson. You'll pull it up. Also,

1928
01:29:37,120 --> 01:29:39,120
Speaker 7: got some big breakdowns coming up for you. If you

1929
01:29:39,200 --> 01:29:42,160
Speaker 7: three eight illagitport taking on Max always going to be

1930
01:29:42,160 --> 01:29:45,360
Speaker 7: a stick fight and yeah guess find on Instagram. Appreciate

1931
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Speaker 7: you guys, give me an opportunity to morning combat. Shout

1932
01:29:47,479 --> 01:29:49,280
Speaker 7: outs to both of you boys. Special shout out to you,

1933
01:29:49,400 --> 01:29:50,000
Speaker 7: Luke Thomas.

1934
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Speaker 4: I love it. You always keep it real, man, I always.

1935
01:29:52,640 --> 01:29:54,960
Speaker 4: I appreciate this. To YouTube Brian YouTube Brian, you know

1936
01:29:55,000 --> 01:29:56,559
Speaker 4: you get to you know.

1937
01:29:56,680 --> 01:30:02,679
Speaker 2: Like whatever, whatever, Just yeah, thank you so much for Metris.

1938
01:30:02,680 --> 01:30:03,200
Speaker 2: Want to thank you.

1939
01:30:03,640 --> 01:30:06,559
Speaker 4: Appreciate you.

1940
01:30:06,560 --> 01:30:11,280
Speaker 2: You do always keep it real unless what you're saying

1941
01:30:11,400 --> 01:30:13,280
Speaker 2: is false. You know what I mean. I mean, it's

1942
01:30:13,320 --> 01:30:13,720
Speaker 2: real to you.

1943
01:30:14,040 --> 01:30:15,720
Speaker 3: It's very nice of him to say that. I think

1944
01:30:15,760 --> 01:30:18,160
Speaker 3: sometimes I definitely piss him off. In fact, I know

1945
01:30:18,360 --> 01:30:23,040
Speaker 3: I've pissed him off several times. But he came on

1946
01:30:23,080 --> 01:30:24,920
Speaker 3: the show, he gave us a great interview. He's got

1947
01:30:24,920 --> 01:30:27,280
Speaker 3: a lot of interesting things to say. I'm not a complainer.

1948
01:30:27,360 --> 01:30:28,200
Speaker 3: I appreciate him.

1949
01:30:28,400 --> 01:30:31,519
Speaker 2: All right, Luke, let's let's finish up our rundown here

1950
01:30:31,560 --> 01:30:33,400
Speaker 2: and get through this fantastic program to close.

1951
01:30:33,400 --> 01:30:35,000
Speaker 3: You see, I have to tell you it is fucking

1952
01:30:35,040 --> 01:30:36,920
Speaker 3: weird to just be looking at a static picture of

1953
01:30:36,960 --> 01:30:37,679
Speaker 3: your stupid face.

1954
01:30:37,720 --> 01:30:39,760
Speaker 2: I have to tell you what's static about it?

1955
01:30:39,840 --> 01:30:42,200
Speaker 3: Luke, So you can't tell, but your face is frozen

1956
01:30:42,280 --> 01:30:43,840
Speaker 3: like you're not moving at all. I can.

1957
01:30:46,360 --> 01:30:47,960
Speaker 2: What I'm moving?

1958
01:30:48,560 --> 01:30:51,400
Speaker 3: No, no, no, no, trust me, You're not trust me. Yeah, BC,

1959
01:30:51,560 --> 01:30:53,360
Speaker 3: you've been frozen for a while. Your audio has been great.

1960
01:30:53,360 --> 01:30:55,920
Speaker 3: Now you're your audio listening to your audio sounds great.

1961
01:30:56,000 --> 01:30:58,719
Speaker 3: You do sound just fine. You look like a bag

1962
01:30:58,760 --> 01:31:00,400
Speaker 3: of shit. And I don't just be because you normally

1963
01:31:00,479 --> 01:31:02,639
Speaker 3: look like a bag of shit. I mean the potato

1964
01:31:02,720 --> 01:31:04,760
Speaker 3: in which you are wifiing this out of is killing

1965
01:31:04,840 --> 01:31:05,320
Speaker 3: him right now.

1966
01:31:05,720 --> 01:31:08,320
Speaker 2: It look like frozen Walt Disney at the moment, which

1967
01:31:08,360 --> 01:31:13,640
Speaker 2: is apropos here in Orlando quickly, Luke Gaiguard Musasi. This

1968
01:31:13,720 --> 01:31:17,320
Speaker 2: week followed the lawsuit against PFL and Belatour, seeking fifteen

1969
01:31:17,360 --> 01:31:20,800
Speaker 2: million dollars in damages from lost income. We remember that

1970
01:31:21,040 --> 01:31:23,800
Speaker 2: PFL wouldn't honor the terms of his belator contract. It

1971
01:31:23,880 --> 01:31:26,160
Speaker 2: led to him leaving the company. Is this a big deal?

1972
01:31:26,400 --> 01:31:27,920
Speaker 4: Is it this matter? U?

1973
01:31:28,640 --> 01:31:30,800
Speaker 3: It's hard to say. I think. He claims he was

1974
01:31:30,840 --> 01:31:34,080
Speaker 3: also improperly classified and should have been an employee. There

1975
01:31:34,120 --> 01:31:36,960
Speaker 3: were I didn't read It's sixty something pages. I only

1976
01:31:36,960 --> 01:31:39,680
Speaker 3: got through I think twenty seven, twenty eight. Yeah, so

1977
01:31:39,680 --> 01:31:43,680
Speaker 3: I haven't read the whole thing. I don't know. I

1978
01:31:43,680 --> 01:31:45,680
Speaker 3: don't know. I don't know. I know he's better with them,

1979
01:31:45,720 --> 01:31:47,400
Speaker 3: but I don't. I can't. I haven't read enough of

1980
01:31:47,439 --> 01:31:48,920
Speaker 3: it to give you a great answer. I don't know.

1981
01:31:49,000 --> 01:31:50,840
Speaker 2: All right, let's keep it going to topic three here,

1982
01:31:50,960 --> 01:31:54,080
Speaker 2: UFC Fight Night. We're back at the Apex on Saturday,

1983
01:31:54,160 --> 01:31:57,320
Speaker 2: for better or for worse. But how about this middleweight

1984
01:31:57,400 --> 01:32:01,599
Speaker 2: showdown In the main event, Fluffy heard and welcomes one

1985
01:32:01,640 --> 01:32:04,160
Speaker 2: of the longest win streaks at the moment in the

1986
01:32:04,160 --> 01:32:07,679
Speaker 2: sport that we never talk about, eight in a row

1987
01:32:08,080 --> 01:32:11,760
Speaker 2: for Michelle Padata unless I counted that wrong. Yes, he

1988
01:32:11,880 --> 01:32:15,320
Speaker 2: switched divisions, moving from welterweight up to middleway. But this

1989
01:32:15,360 --> 01:32:18,559
Speaker 2: is a very interesting showdown that the betting odds, according

1990
01:32:18,560 --> 01:32:21,719
Speaker 2: to DraftKings, are basically telling you it can go either way.

1991
01:32:21,840 --> 01:32:26,559
Speaker 2: Plus one fourteen for the Brazilian veteran Pereira, who doesn't

1992
01:32:26,600 --> 01:32:29,320
Speaker 2: seem to be as willing to do full backflips on

1993
01:32:29,360 --> 01:32:31,559
Speaker 2: the way to the cage and gas himself out these days,

1994
01:32:31,560 --> 01:32:36,400
Speaker 2: of course. But Anthony Hernandez minus one thirty five Luke

1995
01:32:36,600 --> 01:32:39,920
Speaker 2: the thirty year old Hernandez has been coming on five

1996
01:32:40,040 --> 01:32:43,559
Speaker 2: wins in a row himself since getting stopped by Kevin Holland.

1997
01:32:43,920 --> 01:32:46,000
Speaker 2: How good is this fight going to be Saturday Night?

1998
01:32:46,040 --> 01:32:48,400
Speaker 3: This fight is sick. It's a great fight for Michelle Paeda.

1999
01:32:48,439 --> 01:32:50,680
Speaker 3: I think this is maybe the toughest fight he's had,

2000
01:32:50,760 --> 01:32:54,080
Speaker 3: or at least the toughest fight certainly he's had since

2001
01:32:54,160 --> 01:32:57,479
Speaker 3: kind of reforming his style. Anthony Hernandez had a no

2002
01:32:57,640 --> 01:33:01,040
Speaker 3: contest on the Contender series. Granted, is because I think

2003
01:33:01,080 --> 01:33:03,240
Speaker 3: he had smoked weed and that was stupid, because he

2004
01:33:03,360 --> 01:33:06,040
Speaker 3: not goes Yeah, I mean, I mean, I might be

2005
01:33:06,120 --> 01:33:08,519
Speaker 3: high right now, you know what I'm saying. But the

2006
01:33:08,600 --> 01:33:11,680
Speaker 3: reality is he did go to one and two. After that,

2007
01:33:11,720 --> 01:33:13,040
Speaker 3: he had a win over junk Un Park, but he

2008
01:33:13,080 --> 01:33:15,000
Speaker 3: had a lost to Marcus Petees and a lost to

2009
01:33:15,080 --> 01:33:17,439
Speaker 3: Kevin Holland. And if there's a common denominator there, he

2010
01:33:17,479 --> 01:33:19,800
Speaker 3: got hit to the body both of those times, which

2011
01:33:19,880 --> 01:33:21,400
Speaker 3: kind of set up the beginning of the end. It

2012
01:33:21,439 --> 01:33:24,320
Speaker 3: was a knee from Holland, it was a round kick

2013
01:33:24,680 --> 01:33:27,479
Speaker 3: to the mid section from Perez. But the point I

2014
01:33:27,479 --> 01:33:29,519
Speaker 3: wanted to make is, since then, this is why I

2015
01:33:29,560 --> 01:33:31,640
Speaker 3: didn't think he had any chance against judelfo Vie are

2016
01:33:31,640 --> 01:33:33,920
Speaker 3: one of the best submission grapplers ever, and then he

2017
01:33:33,920 --> 01:33:35,760
Speaker 3: submitted him. And then he'd beat Josh Fremmed, and then

2018
01:33:35,760 --> 01:33:37,880
Speaker 3: he beat Mark Andre Berrio and you're like, okay, these

2019
01:33:37,880 --> 01:33:39,719
Speaker 3: are some good names, but it's not top of the division.

2020
01:33:40,040 --> 01:33:42,360
Speaker 3: And then he ran past Edmund Schabazi and then he

2021
01:33:42,439 --> 01:33:45,720
Speaker 3: beat Roman Copylaw and he did that in inside two rounds.

2022
01:33:46,160 --> 01:33:48,200
Speaker 3: And here he now finds himself at Michelle. But he's

2023
01:33:48,240 --> 01:33:51,040
Speaker 3: got some of the best gas tank in the middleweight division.

2024
01:33:51,160 --> 01:33:55,639
Speaker 3: He's got ridiculously good submissions. In particular, obviously, Ria Nika

2025
01:33:55,720 --> 01:33:57,640
Speaker 3: Chok is a good one for him, and the guillotine

2026
01:33:57,640 --> 01:34:00,160
Speaker 3: are probably two of his best. Two high percent. It's

2027
01:34:00,240 --> 01:34:02,720
Speaker 3: jokes anyway, but they're his bread and butter. He's got

2028
01:34:02,760 --> 01:34:05,080
Speaker 3: a good antikonda at least to threaten, a good dars

2029
01:34:05,120 --> 01:34:08,160
Speaker 3: to threaten he is. He has turned into one of

2030
01:34:08,160 --> 01:34:10,840
Speaker 3: the guys. I will say this very clearly, Michelle Paneda.

2031
01:34:10,840 --> 01:34:14,040
Speaker 3: I'm not that high on He's a very good athlete,

2032
01:34:14,200 --> 01:34:17,080
Speaker 3: and he has reformed himself from a wild man to

2033
01:34:17,160 --> 01:34:19,559
Speaker 3: a much more disciplined fighter. And I respect that, I

2034
01:34:19,600 --> 01:34:22,479
Speaker 3: really really do. But I don't see a tremendous amount

2035
01:34:22,520 --> 01:34:26,760
Speaker 3: of like technical upside from what he's done, even though

2036
01:34:26,800 --> 01:34:30,320
Speaker 3: he's such a good athlete. Hernandez is the opposite. Hernandez,

2037
01:34:30,360 --> 01:34:33,120
Speaker 3: I've seen already an enormous amount of technical improvement, a

2038
01:34:33,160 --> 01:34:37,840
Speaker 3: devastating finisher, great gas tank all over. You just kind

2039
01:34:37,840 --> 01:34:40,840
Speaker 3: of a natural in MMA, whereas I feel like a

2040
01:34:40,880 --> 01:34:46,679
Speaker 3: guy like Michelle Paneda is just kind of it doesn't

2041
01:34:46,680 --> 01:34:49,160
Speaker 3: seem it's weird because I actually think he's the best

2042
01:34:49,200 --> 01:34:51,200
Speaker 3: athlete maybe in the middleweight division, but he I don't

2043
01:34:51,200 --> 01:34:54,240
Speaker 3: think he's a natural inside of fighting as much, at

2044
01:34:54,320 --> 01:34:58,120
Speaker 3: least a technical side of fighting, whereas Hernandez is. This

2045
01:34:58,200 --> 01:34:59,799
Speaker 3: is a fun contest, Yeah.

2046
01:34:59,720 --> 01:35:02,760
Speaker 2: Really is. And I think Perreira, when he focuses more

2047
01:35:02,800 --> 01:35:05,360
Speaker 2: on trying to take people down too, it is a

2048
01:35:05,400 --> 01:35:07,800
Speaker 2: different game. He's you know, he subbed out Potierra. He

2049
01:35:07,840 --> 01:35:10,120
Speaker 2: does show you at times flashes on the ground in

2050
01:35:10,120 --> 01:35:12,720
Speaker 2: that regard, but he's gonna do donk stuff on the

2051
01:35:12,720 --> 01:35:14,200
Speaker 2: feet a lot and Luke, and even though he's won

2052
01:35:14,240 --> 01:35:16,160
Speaker 2: eight in a row, it really has been a consistent

2053
01:35:16,640 --> 01:35:19,320
Speaker 2: middle of the road level of competition. So let's see

2054
01:35:19,320 --> 01:35:22,400
Speaker 2: what he does here against Fluffy Look, they've got Hernandez

2055
01:35:22,479 --> 01:35:24,680
Speaker 2: is the favorite. Do you see him? Should he get

2056
01:35:24,680 --> 01:35:28,040
Speaker 2: the nod as a legitimate contender in this division? Who

2057
01:35:28,720 --> 01:35:29,680
Speaker 2: fluffy Hernandez?

2058
01:35:29,800 --> 01:35:33,519
Speaker 3: Yes? Yes, I think the UFC realized they've got something

2059
01:35:33,560 --> 01:35:35,559
Speaker 3: special with this guy. Now, maybe it wasn't quite clear

2060
01:35:35,600 --> 01:35:39,679
Speaker 3: at first, but it appears to be becoming increasingly true.

2061
01:35:40,120 --> 01:35:42,479
Speaker 3: And a win like this is going to put him

2062
01:35:42,520 --> 01:35:44,639
Speaker 3: in a space where they're going to really start pushing

2063
01:35:44,720 --> 01:35:47,800
Speaker 3: him towards the middle slash top of this you know,

2064
01:35:47,880 --> 01:35:50,760
Speaker 3: middle top of this division. It's hard to say this

2065
01:35:50,840 --> 01:35:52,599
Speaker 3: is going to be like a Coro Nation kind of performance,

2066
01:35:52,600 --> 01:35:54,679
Speaker 3: even if he gets a sub But I just feel

2067
01:35:54,760 --> 01:35:57,960
Speaker 3: like you've got a young, exciting talent who doesn't get tired,

2068
01:35:58,040 --> 01:36:01,640
Speaker 3: who is a good finisher at hacks relentlessly and is

2069
01:36:01,720 --> 01:36:05,320
Speaker 3: being battle tested now against more credentialed opposition. What more

2070
01:36:05,360 --> 01:36:07,479
Speaker 3: would you be looking for? This is the kind of

2071
01:36:07,520 --> 01:36:08,360
Speaker 3: guy you would want.

2072
01:36:08,720 --> 01:36:10,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, indeed, that's a very good main event. It doesn't

2073
01:36:11,120 --> 01:36:13,640
Speaker 2: It rings so much truer in my heart than that

2074
01:36:13,760 --> 01:36:18,080
Speaker 2: upcoming fight night Neil Magni versus Carlos Pratish main event.

2075
01:36:18,120 --> 01:36:20,799
Speaker 2: That just feels like we're going in the wrong direction

2076
01:36:20,880 --> 01:36:22,479
Speaker 2: feels like we're going in the Spivac direction.

2077
01:36:22,840 --> 01:36:25,120
Speaker 3: I mean, it's a fine fight to see how good

2078
01:36:25,160 --> 01:36:28,160
Speaker 3: Carlos protest is, but like beyond the event.

2079
01:36:27,920 --> 01:36:31,280
Speaker 2: Dude, people are like gonna buy their tickets and create

2080
01:36:31,320 --> 01:36:34,000
Speaker 2: a destination based on that, and maybe they really won't

2081
01:36:34,040 --> 01:36:35,080
Speaker 2: because we're at the Apex.

2082
01:36:35,120 --> 01:36:37,799
Speaker 3: But come on, bro, Yeah, I mean for an Apex

2083
01:36:37,800 --> 01:36:40,759
Speaker 3: main event, it's bad, but it's not a horrible fight

2084
01:36:41,120 --> 01:36:43,240
Speaker 3: in and of itself. It's just a bad main event.

2085
01:36:43,600 --> 01:36:47,360
Speaker 2: Do you care about this? This Crossroads Bantamway comin event

2086
01:36:47,360 --> 01:36:49,760
Speaker 2: where we're gonna find out who's coming and who's going.

2087
01:36:49,880 --> 01:36:52,800
Speaker 2: Rob Font, the veteran at thirty seven, has lost four

2088
01:36:52,920 --> 01:36:56,280
Speaker 2: or five all four though to the very top end

2089
01:36:56,400 --> 01:36:59,920
Speaker 2: competition available. At one three five, he's a plus three

2090
01:37:00,160 --> 01:37:05,080
Speaker 2: forty underdog against Kyler Phillips minus four forty. Now Phillips

2091
01:37:05,120 --> 01:37:06,719
Speaker 2: has won three in a row. He had that early

2092
01:37:06,760 --> 01:37:09,640
Speaker 2: win over Song, yet dong in his career. It feels like,

2093
01:37:09,760 --> 01:37:12,280
Speaker 2: odds wise, like we're setting up for the younger fighter

2094
01:37:12,320 --> 01:37:15,000
Speaker 2: to make his name off the veteran. But Luke three

2095
01:37:15,000 --> 01:37:17,439
Speaker 2: fights ago, we thought that too with Adrian Janez and

2096
01:37:17,520 --> 01:37:20,640
Speaker 2: Rob Font reminded us who he is. What do you

2097
01:37:20,640 --> 01:37:21,679
Speaker 2: think about this matchup?

2098
01:37:22,080 --> 01:37:24,479
Speaker 3: I think that Kyler Phillips is one of the most

2099
01:37:24,560 --> 01:37:28,120
Speaker 3: unhralded fighters in the UFC for how good he is. Obviously,

2100
01:37:28,200 --> 01:37:30,400
Speaker 3: his last one was the most important one over at Munos.

2101
01:37:31,000 --> 01:37:33,680
Speaker 3: But I am a big believer in Kyler Phillips. This

2102
01:37:33,760 --> 01:37:35,840
Speaker 3: is a huge fight for him. Rob font might be,

2103
01:37:36,040 --> 01:37:38,439
Speaker 3: you know, maybe his best days are behind him. He

2104
01:37:38,520 --> 01:37:41,160
Speaker 3: is not a scrub. He's very talented. He hits hard,

2105
01:37:41,520 --> 01:37:45,679
Speaker 3: He's very very respectable. The guy is a diligent, trained,

2106
01:37:45,920 --> 01:37:48,880
Speaker 3: well schooled fighter. This is not an easy fight for

2107
01:37:48,960 --> 01:37:51,160
Speaker 3: either guy. But Kyler Phillips to me has always kind

2108
01:37:51,160 --> 01:37:52,800
Speaker 3: of looked like somebody who was ready to take the

2109
01:37:52,840 --> 01:37:55,760
Speaker 3: next step. Is that this one? We shall see? But

2110
01:37:55,880 --> 01:37:58,320
Speaker 3: I am high on him. I think that people don't

2111
01:37:58,360 --> 01:38:00,839
Speaker 3: recognize how good he is. They might after.

2112
01:38:00,680 --> 01:38:05,360
Speaker 2: Saturday hashtag Curtin jerker alert And no, I'm not talking

2113
01:38:05,360 --> 01:38:09,559
Speaker 2: about Strawwait's first fight of the night Rebellus Despone Luke.

2114
01:38:09,640 --> 01:38:12,200
Speaker 2: You know that fella, right, all six foot seven of

2115
01:38:12,240 --> 01:38:15,360
Speaker 2: that Cuban big boy. He lost a fight in May,

2116
01:38:15,479 --> 01:38:17,600
Speaker 2: of course, when he completely gassed out and lost the

2117
01:38:17,640 --> 01:38:22,479
Speaker 2: decision to Waldo Cortes Acosta. He'll be back against Austin Lane.

2118
01:38:22,560 --> 01:38:24,479
Speaker 2: Is that the x NFL guy who fucked Greg Hardy?

2119
01:38:24,840 --> 01:38:26,719
Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah Hardy? Yes?

2120
01:38:27,439 --> 01:38:29,479
Speaker 2: Is there still time for rebeliz here?

2121
01:38:30,280 --> 01:38:32,760
Speaker 3: Rebelis? I don't know. He seems like a donk. This

2122
01:38:32,840 --> 01:38:35,639
Speaker 3: fight has got darkness written all over it. Someone's gonna

2123
01:38:35,640 --> 01:38:38,200
Speaker 3: get viciously kot. It's probably gonna be Austin Lane. It'll

2124
01:38:38,200 --> 01:38:39,760
Speaker 3: be fun as long as it lasts, which is about

2125
01:38:39,800 --> 01:38:41,120
Speaker 3: seven seconds, all right?

2126
01:38:41,120 --> 01:38:43,400
Speaker 2: Should I care about anything else? I mean, Charles Johnson

2127
01:38:43,400 --> 01:38:48,720
Speaker 2: against Summer Jerry at Flyway is not sadargydergy. Sorry so

2128
01:38:49,840 --> 01:38:51,160
Speaker 2: a boy named Sue There you go.

2129
01:38:51,560 --> 01:38:53,560
Speaker 3: I mean it doesn't mean much for the division, but

2130
01:38:53,720 --> 01:38:57,280
Speaker 3: Darren Elkins Versusdental Pinedo will be fun. Mattios Nicolaus back,

2131
01:38:57,320 --> 01:39:01,479
Speaker 3: he's pretty talented. Jessica Penny I think is over the

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01:39:01,479 --> 01:39:03,880
Speaker 3: age of forty, still competing here for the UFC. But

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01:39:03,920 --> 01:39:04,519
Speaker 3: that's about it.

2134
01:39:05,040 --> 01:39:07,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, Joanna once did really dark things to her inside

2135
01:39:07,760 --> 01:39:08,799
Speaker 2: of a cage and a title.

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01:39:08,640 --> 01:39:09,760
Speaker 3: That was brutal what she did.

2137
01:39:09,800 --> 01:39:11,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, Long Island, Luke. We got a lot of hardcore

2138
01:39:11,880 --> 01:39:13,960
Speaker 2: fans who get pissed when we run through the bad

2139
01:39:14,040 --> 01:39:16,720
Speaker 2: Apex cards without really telling them about it. Do you

2140
01:39:16,760 --> 01:39:19,439
Speaker 2: have a lock of the week here on this undercard

2141
01:39:19,439 --> 01:39:20,240
Speaker 2: at all or anywhere?

2142
01:39:20,520 --> 01:39:22,559
Speaker 5: Not a lock of the week. But I'm riding with

2143
01:39:22,680 --> 01:39:24,320
Speaker 5: Rob Font, Luke, I know you were just hyping up

2144
01:39:24,360 --> 01:39:26,240
Speaker 5: Kyler Phillips. Did you see the odds on that fight?

2145
01:39:26,439 --> 01:39:30,000
Speaker 5: Rob Over the odds, Rob Von is plus three sixty.

2146
01:39:29,840 --> 01:39:32,800
Speaker 3: No, that's insane. I believe that's insane. That's insane. Rob

2147
01:39:32,840 --> 01:39:35,559
Speaker 3: Von is too talented against Kyler Phillips to be plus threes.

2148
01:39:35,760 --> 01:39:36,320
Speaker 3: That's insane.

2149
01:39:36,439 --> 01:39:40,160
Speaker 5: So strictly based on odds, I'm taking Rob Font another fight, Luke.

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01:39:40,200 --> 01:39:43,519
Speaker 5: You mentioned Matteos Nickel out. He's fighting Asu Almabayah. That

2151
01:39:43,560 --> 01:39:45,880
Speaker 5: guy is nice. I think Matteos is going to lose

2152
01:39:45,920 --> 01:39:46,599
Speaker 5: that by decision.

2153
01:39:46,720 --> 01:39:47,400
Speaker 3: That's a good fight.

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01:39:48,000 --> 01:39:51,960
Speaker 5: Brad Katona getting thrown to John Matsumoto. He's got a

2155
01:39:51,960 --> 01:39:54,240
Speaker 5: lot of hype around him, so could be an upset.

2156
01:39:54,280 --> 01:39:56,599
Speaker 2: And this guy's hardcore over there at the mile high

2157
01:39:56,640 --> 01:39:58,080
Speaker 2: minute may card minute.

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01:39:58,160 --> 01:40:00,599
Speaker 3: I mean, you see there's nothing going on in his life.

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01:40:00,600 --> 01:40:03,840
Speaker 6: Why not, you know, I mean i'd argue just you.

2160
01:40:03,800 --> 01:40:06,639
Speaker 2: Know, he just saw ever Clear and they sucked, Luke.

2161
01:40:06,840 --> 01:40:12,439
Speaker 5: They did they did ever clear Father of Man and.

2162
01:40:12,680 --> 01:40:16,560
Speaker 6: It sounded nothing like the original. Sounded really bad them.

2163
01:40:17,000 --> 01:40:18,799
Speaker 2: Did they at least kick ass on Santa Monica?

2164
01:40:19,000 --> 01:40:19,080
Speaker 4: No?

2165
01:40:19,760 --> 01:40:23,160
Speaker 6: I mean yeah, that's their best song. But the guitar,

2166
01:40:23,439 --> 01:40:24,840
Speaker 6: all the instruments, they sounded great.

2167
01:40:24,880 --> 01:40:25,719
Speaker 3: Who was the opener?

2168
01:40:25,920 --> 01:40:28,639
Speaker 6: Vocals Marcy Playground.

2169
01:40:29,120 --> 01:40:32,679
Speaker 2: Sex and Candy Babies. Remember they had a big spider

2170
01:40:32,680 --> 01:40:37,160
Speaker 2: in the music video. That was weird, all right, two

2171
01:40:37,200 --> 01:40:39,680
Speaker 2: of the greatest things. Connor McGregor loves both. Let's go

2172
01:40:39,760 --> 01:40:44,080
Speaker 2: to topic number four PBC on Prime Video and Your Boy

2173
01:40:44,200 --> 01:40:47,559
Speaker 2: VC is on the call. Saturday Night. Tim Zoo fresh

2174
01:40:47,560 --> 01:40:52,000
Speaker 2: off the bloody unification title loss to Sebastian Fundora, a

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01:40:52,040 --> 01:40:55,400
Speaker 2: split decision and with Zoo of course cut viciously at

2176
01:40:55,400 --> 01:40:58,240
Speaker 2: the end of the second round, but he hung through

2177
01:40:58,280 --> 01:41:01,280
Speaker 2: that in ways he didn't need to who nearly pulled

2178
01:41:01,280 --> 01:41:04,160
Speaker 2: it off. He's back in a title fight against unbeaten

2179
01:41:04,240 --> 01:41:09,479
Speaker 2: Russian and IBF champion Bachram Murtzaliev. It's a tripleheader APM

2180
01:41:09,520 --> 01:41:13,120
Speaker 2: Eastern from Orlando. Your Boy BC, Keith one time Thurman,

2181
01:41:13,200 --> 01:41:18,880
Speaker 2: Brian Custer on the call. Luke Murtazaliev here is the underdog,

2182
01:41:19,760 --> 01:41:22,639
Speaker 2: but he does bring an all action style. He has

2183
01:41:22,760 --> 01:41:25,719
Speaker 2: talked about this being a Fight of the Year contender

2184
01:41:25,760 --> 01:41:28,600
Speaker 2: and knowing Zoo's history, that could be. And you know

2185
01:41:28,640 --> 01:41:30,559
Speaker 2: what he revealed in the Fighter Meetings this week that

2186
01:41:30,640 --> 01:41:33,360
Speaker 2: when he won the world title by knocking out Jack

2187
01:41:33,439 --> 01:41:37,200
Speaker 2: Kolka in round eleven earlier this year in Germany, he

2188
01:41:37,400 --> 01:41:41,639
Speaker 2: trained and fought during Ramadan, couldn't eat, drink or train

2189
01:41:41,760 --> 01:41:45,280
Speaker 2: all day. Would train from twelve midnight to two am,

2190
01:41:45,320 --> 01:41:48,720
Speaker 2: and then from three to five am, eating and drinking minimally.

2191
01:41:49,320 --> 01:41:51,639
Speaker 2: His trainer couldn't get a visa to get to the fight.

2192
01:41:51,880 --> 01:41:54,720
Speaker 2: His management team told him to pull out, and he

2193
01:41:54,800 --> 01:41:58,120
Speaker 2: went in there and knocked out a veteran champion. This

2194
01:41:58,200 --> 01:42:00,400
Speaker 2: is going to be an interesting fight coming up here.

2195
01:42:00,439 --> 01:42:04,479
Speaker 2: The odds from DraftKings minus seven hundred for tim Zo

2196
01:42:04,880 --> 01:42:09,439
Speaker 2: plus four hundred for the champion Mertizaliev. But Luke boxing

2197
01:42:09,439 --> 01:42:12,519
Speaker 2: odds can sometimes not tell the real tale. Is there

2198
01:42:12,520 --> 01:42:14,240
Speaker 2: anything you're looking for in this matchup?

2199
01:42:14,240 --> 01:42:14,639
Speaker 4: On Sari?

2200
01:42:15,320 --> 01:42:18,720
Speaker 3: Your commentary, that's about it. Your commentary. I won't I

2201
01:42:18,760 --> 01:42:20,679
Speaker 3: won't be watching this stuff. I can just be honest.

2202
01:42:20,720 --> 01:42:22,760
Speaker 3: I will I will not be watching it, but I

2203
01:42:22,760 --> 01:42:24,240
Speaker 3: will hear it after the fact.

2204
01:42:24,280 --> 01:42:26,599
Speaker 2: Thank you very much. Let's see the face off between

2205
01:42:26,640 --> 01:42:30,080
Speaker 2: those two this week. We know about Tim's action style

2206
01:42:30,160 --> 01:42:30,639
Speaker 2: there on the.

2207
01:42:30,640 --> 01:42:33,559
Speaker 3: Right, Damn big dude.

2208
01:42:33,640 --> 01:42:35,479
Speaker 2: I mean he's he's a little bit, you know, he's slower,

2209
01:42:35,520 --> 01:42:38,240
Speaker 2: He's not as skilled as Zoo, but he loves to fight.

2210
01:42:38,280 --> 01:42:40,800
Speaker 2: He loves to bring that pace. And we know how

2211
01:42:40,840 --> 01:42:43,719
Speaker 2: hot this division is when you consider Fandora's got a belt,

2212
01:42:43,760 --> 01:42:46,800
Speaker 2: Crawford's got a belt, Spence is looking for a big fight.

2213
01:42:47,479 --> 01:42:51,720
Speaker 2: Madromov just lost the belt to Crawford, Dramel Charlow could

2214
01:42:51,720 --> 01:42:54,920
Speaker 2: be coming back. There's a lot going on in this

2215
01:42:55,080 --> 01:42:56,880
Speaker 2: space at the moment, so I don't need to tell

2216
01:42:56,880 --> 01:42:58,720
Speaker 2: you how big of a fight this could be for

2217
01:42:58,800 --> 01:43:02,479
Speaker 2: Tim Zoo. But one of the storylines Luke his data

2218
01:43:03,160 --> 01:43:06,240
Speaker 2: Coast Jazoo, the Hall of Famer who if you don't know.

2219
01:43:07,200 --> 01:43:10,519
Speaker 2: After Tim's parents divorce in Australia, Coasta went back to

2220
01:43:10,600 --> 01:43:13,840
Speaker 2: Russia started a new family. Father and son were I

2221
01:43:13,840 --> 01:43:16,519
Speaker 2: don't want to say at odds, but they weren't close

2222
01:43:16,640 --> 01:43:19,760
Speaker 2: for years. I asked him, has your dad ever been

2223
01:43:19,800 --> 01:43:21,679
Speaker 2: at your fight? He said no, only my pro debut

2224
01:43:21,720 --> 01:43:25,000
Speaker 2: back in twenty sixteen. We got video of their reunion

2225
01:43:25,120 --> 01:43:33,960
Speaker 2: this week as Coast Jazoo will not be and that's

2226
01:43:34,040 --> 01:43:35,160
Speaker 2: the end of the video.

2227
01:43:43,960 --> 01:43:44,479
Speaker 6: Right away.

2228
01:43:48,040 --> 01:43:48,720
Speaker 3: I could feel that.

2229
01:43:48,840 --> 01:43:50,599
Speaker 2: I feel it in the back, feel.

2230
01:43:50,400 --> 01:44:03,120
Speaker 3: The pressure I still see.

2231
01:44:03,720 --> 01:44:06,800
Speaker 2: Look, it was good to see this because they talk,

2232
01:44:07,280 --> 01:44:11,160
Speaker 2: but they're really not tight these days. And dad flew

2233
01:44:11,280 --> 01:44:14,000
Speaker 2: son out to Thailand after the Fundora fight and they

2234
01:44:14,080 --> 01:44:17,439
Speaker 2: really repaired their relationship and work together in the ring.

2235
01:44:17,960 --> 01:44:19,880
Speaker 2: I respect that. I'm fired up for that angle.

2236
01:44:20,000 --> 01:44:22,200
Speaker 3: Yeah. By the way, there's academic literature to show this.

2237
01:44:22,280 --> 01:44:24,679
Speaker 3: If a couple get splits and they have a kid

2238
01:44:25,160 --> 01:44:27,800
Speaker 3: and the father goes and has a new family with

2239
01:44:27,880 --> 01:44:31,479
Speaker 3: whoever the new spouse or significant other is, there is

2240
01:44:31,560 --> 01:44:34,320
Speaker 3: significant literature to show that the father tends to forget

2241
01:44:34,360 --> 01:44:37,400
Speaker 3: about their old kid completely and not have any relationship

2242
01:44:37,439 --> 01:44:39,960
Speaker 3: with them. It's a weird and very dispiriting thing that

2243
01:44:40,000 --> 01:44:43,200
Speaker 3: they can now demonstrate happens all the time. So the

2244
01:44:43,240 --> 01:44:45,479
Speaker 3: fact that these two can find a way to have

2245
01:44:45,520 --> 01:44:49,360
Speaker 3: a relationship through all of that is remarkable.

2246
01:44:49,800 --> 01:44:52,160
Speaker 2: I'll see how that changes, tim Zu when they're on

2247
01:44:52,240 --> 01:44:55,479
Speaker 2: Saturday Night against Mertizali of a very good fight, a

2248
01:44:55,520 --> 01:44:58,759
Speaker 2: lot of action potential. A PM Eastern on Prime video

2249
01:44:58,880 --> 01:45:01,720
Speaker 2: not a pay per view subscribers can access it. Luke

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01:45:01,760 --> 01:45:05,559
Speaker 2: to close here on some key news. We know that

2251
01:45:05,680 --> 01:45:09,240
Speaker 2: Sydney is going to be UFC three twelve, February ninth,

2252
01:45:09,320 --> 01:45:12,920
Speaker 2: No fights announced, but Alexander Volkanowski tell' Submission Radio he

2253
01:45:12,960 --> 01:45:15,479
Speaker 2: wants on the card. He wants the winner of Max

2254
01:45:15,600 --> 01:45:19,679
Speaker 2: versus Ilia, and if not, he's willing to fight Diego

2255
01:45:19,760 --> 01:45:23,200
Speaker 2: Lopez for the interim title. Now, him bringing up that

2256
01:45:23,240 --> 01:45:25,800
Speaker 2: interim belt makes me wonder if this has been talked

2257
01:45:25,800 --> 01:45:30,000
Speaker 2: about behind the scenes. Do you see volk jumping immediately

2258
01:45:30,040 --> 01:45:32,240
Speaker 2: back into this title picture and making noise based on

2259
01:45:32,280 --> 01:45:33,280
Speaker 2: these statements.

2260
01:45:32,920 --> 01:45:35,120
Speaker 3: I think it's likelier that folks realize. I mean, listen,

2261
01:45:35,680 --> 01:45:37,559
Speaker 3: you know Ilian Max or at least Ilia has talked

2262
01:45:37,600 --> 01:45:39,479
Speaker 3: about it. First ten seconds, I'm going to point and

2263
01:45:39,520 --> 01:45:41,599
Speaker 3: in blah blah blah, and let's say one of them

2264
01:45:41,640 --> 01:45:43,400
Speaker 3: gets knocked out that way, maybe they can make a

2265
01:45:43,400 --> 01:45:47,240
Speaker 3: turnaround to fight over in the time enough for UFC

2266
01:45:47,240 --> 01:45:49,639
Speaker 3: three twelve. But dude, we're talking about Max and Ilia,

2267
01:45:49,840 --> 01:45:51,840
Speaker 3: like two of the very best fighters in the game.

2268
01:45:52,120 --> 01:45:54,759
Speaker 3: No matter who wins, if that fight goes five rounds,

2269
01:45:54,800 --> 01:45:57,639
Speaker 3: it's probably gonna be brutal. Are they going to really

2270
01:45:57,680 --> 01:46:00,160
Speaker 3: be able to make a turnaround in enough time to

2271
01:46:00,200 --> 01:46:03,559
Speaker 3: go to UFC three twelve. It's possible, certainly, but you

2272
01:46:03,600 --> 01:46:05,920
Speaker 3: definitely can't count on it. And if that's the case

2273
01:46:06,000 --> 01:46:08,840
Speaker 3: and Volkanowski wants in, UFC might just do him a

2274
01:46:08,840 --> 01:46:10,360
Speaker 3: solid and say, hey, well fuck it, We'll just make

2275
01:46:10,400 --> 01:46:12,600
Speaker 3: an interim belt. You can find Diego Lopez, and I

2276
01:46:12,640 --> 01:46:15,160
Speaker 3: doubt anyone would really be that upset about it, So yeah,

2277
01:46:15,200 --> 01:46:16,080
Speaker 3: we won't see that.

2278
01:46:16,360 --> 01:46:18,680
Speaker 2: Be interesting to see if Vulk does that, if he

2279
01:46:18,760 --> 01:46:21,519
Speaker 2: wins what he fights, the winner of max Ilia business

2280
01:46:21,960 --> 01:46:24,519
Speaker 2: always picking up at one forty five, But that's very interesting.

2281
01:46:24,520 --> 01:46:26,120
Speaker 2: What do you think about this? We thought the next

2282
01:46:26,160 --> 01:46:29,200
Speaker 2: one thirty five title contender was going to be Umar

2283
01:46:29,240 --> 01:46:33,320
Speaker 2: and Numaga medoff after Morob took the belt from O'Malley. Instead,

2284
01:46:33,439 --> 01:46:35,839
Speaker 2: we're gonna see Umar in the main event UFC Tampa,

2285
01:46:35,880 --> 01:46:40,120
Speaker 2: December fourteenth, five rounds against Song You Dong. I know

2286
01:46:40,200 --> 01:46:42,960
Speaker 2: we both like that fight in theory, but does this

2287
01:46:43,080 --> 01:46:45,799
Speaker 2: tell you that Sugar Sean O'Malley could be getting a rematch?

2288
01:46:45,800 --> 01:46:47,519
Speaker 2: Am I reading too deeply into here?

2289
01:46:47,760 --> 01:46:51,639
Speaker 3: No? I think Morob didn't want to fight before Uh, well,

2290
01:46:51,760 --> 01:46:54,920
Speaker 3: Umar wanted to fight before Ramadan, and for whatever reason,

2291
01:46:55,360 --> 01:46:56,960
Speaker 3: Morob didn't. I don't know if he had injuries or

2292
01:46:56,960 --> 01:46:59,280
Speaker 3: he's trying to heal or what, or he had his reasons.

2293
01:46:59,280 --> 01:47:01,280
Speaker 3: I don't know what they are. And I think Umar

2294
01:47:01,360 --> 01:47:04,400
Speaker 3: didn't want to wait until to fight until after Ramadan.

2295
01:47:04,479 --> 01:47:06,080
Speaker 3: So they said, fuck it, I'll just take who you got.

2296
01:47:06,160 --> 01:47:08,280
Speaker 3: They said, how about song you dong? He said, I'll

2297
01:47:08,280 --> 01:47:10,800
Speaker 3: song that dong and here we go. We got it going.

2298
01:47:11,240 --> 01:47:14,360
Speaker 2: Hey, it's a great fight. I love that Umar is like, okay, Champion,

2299
01:47:14,439 --> 01:47:16,880
Speaker 2: not ready. I'll prove it to you guys again, because

2300
01:47:16,920 --> 01:47:19,760
Speaker 2: in theory he kind of needs that one more fight

2301
01:47:19,840 --> 01:47:21,640
Speaker 2: to prove it to us. So I'm not mad at

2302
01:47:21,680 --> 01:47:24,280
Speaker 2: this at all. And to close, Luke Dmitri Beebl has

2303
01:47:24,400 --> 01:47:27,879
Speaker 2: officially filed the protests to all four sanctioning bodies regarding

2304
01:47:28,120 --> 01:47:31,280
Speaker 2: the scoring in the better BF fight, using the first

2305
01:47:31,439 --> 01:47:34,080
Speaker 2: Lennox Lewis Holyfield fight, which was a draw and was

2306
01:47:34,120 --> 01:47:37,559
Speaker 2: a horrendous decision, as sort of legal background to try

2307
01:47:37,600 --> 01:47:40,080
Speaker 2: to get an overturned. The problem here is the first

2308
01:47:40,080 --> 01:47:43,400
Speaker 2: holy Field Lewis fight was an obvious like somebody paid

2309
01:47:43,439 --> 01:47:46,120
Speaker 2: the judges to get a draw, maybe Don King and

2310
01:47:46,320 --> 01:47:48,600
Speaker 2: this was just a close fight in the end. But

2311
01:47:48,720 --> 01:47:52,719
Speaker 2: what's come out of that is the IVF has ordered

2312
01:47:52,760 --> 01:47:56,519
Speaker 2: better Viev to defend a mandatory against Yeah, another guy

2313
01:47:56,560 --> 01:47:59,759
Speaker 2: from another country you never heard of, Michael Eiffert from Germany,

2314
01:48:00,080 --> 01:48:02,599
Speaker 2: who's thirteen and one with five KOs. He's only in

2315
01:48:02,640 --> 01:48:06,439
Speaker 2: this position because he upset the dried husk of Jean

2316
01:48:06,520 --> 01:48:09,960
Speaker 2: Pascal in twenty twenty three and hasn't fought anybody else

2317
01:48:09,960 --> 01:48:12,960
Speaker 2: of name. Now. Dan Rachiel reporting that the IBF is

2318
01:48:13,080 --> 01:48:16,160
Speaker 2: willing to talk about maybe putting this off to do

2319
01:48:16,240 --> 01:48:19,880
Speaker 2: the undisputed rematch. But this is just another case of inboxing,

2320
01:48:19,920 --> 01:48:21,840
Speaker 2: we can't have nice things apparently.

2321
01:48:22,720 --> 01:48:27,520
Speaker 3: Well, IBF is better than WBC, I feel like overall

2322
01:48:27,640 --> 01:48:31,120
Speaker 3: in terms of how they award fights and what mandatories

2323
01:48:31,120 --> 01:48:33,479
Speaker 3: they call for. I was making this point about the

2324
01:48:33,560 --> 01:48:35,760
Speaker 3: rankings this week BC. I looked at all up. The

2325
01:48:35,880 --> 01:48:40,599
Speaker 3: WBC is the only sanctioning body that doesn't explicitly count

2326
01:48:40,640 --> 01:48:44,000
Speaker 3: wins and losses. They obviously they matter, but for all

2327
01:48:44,040 --> 01:48:45,439
Speaker 3: the other ones, they are like who you beat, who

2328
01:48:45,479 --> 01:48:48,080
Speaker 3: you lost to that matters the most. WBC is the

2329
01:48:48,120 --> 01:48:49,280
Speaker 3: only one that doesn't do that.

2330
01:48:49,560 --> 01:48:50,640
Speaker 2: How much can you pay us?

2331
01:48:50,920 --> 01:48:54,360
Speaker 3: Yes, And it's like it's like public standing was one

2332
01:48:54,360 --> 01:48:56,920
Speaker 3: of their fucking criteria. I was like, oh, that's how

2333
01:48:57,000 --> 01:48:59,000
Speaker 3: people ask Like how could they say, Jake Paul, if

2334
01:48:59,040 --> 01:49:01,720
Speaker 3: you beat Tommy Fury was gonna be ranked. That's how

2335
01:49:02,160 --> 01:49:03,760
Speaker 3: That's how they were able to do that. So, like,

2336
01:49:04,040 --> 01:49:06,320
Speaker 3: of all the ones you can complain about, this sucks,

2337
01:49:06,479 --> 01:49:09,160
Speaker 3: I get, but IBF is not the worst.

2338
01:49:09,439 --> 01:49:11,160
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, IBF is the only of the four that

2339
01:49:11,320 --> 01:49:13,640
Speaker 2: really sticks to their rules. The problem is this is

2340
01:49:13,680 --> 01:49:16,720
Speaker 2: sticking to your rules and such unnecessary levels. I mean,

2341
01:49:17,000 --> 01:49:19,840
Speaker 2: it's not as heavyweight because at least, even though we're

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Speaker 2: getting a rematch that won't be for the Underspeed Championship

2343
01:49:22,040 --> 01:49:24,800
Speaker 2: in December, at least like good things happen. Daniel Duwah

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01:49:24,880 --> 01:49:28,439
Speaker 2: picked up the other belt that was available, be aj like,

2345
01:49:28,479 --> 01:49:31,000
Speaker 2: you know, the division moved on in big ways that

2346
01:49:31,040 --> 01:49:33,400
Speaker 2: are going to set up the future. Let these two

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01:49:33,479 --> 01:49:36,519
Speaker 2: light heavyweights bang a second time, Let all four titles

2348
01:49:36,560 --> 01:49:39,000
Speaker 2: be at stake. I don't know, and let not this

2349
01:49:39,200 --> 01:49:41,719
Speaker 2: German dude. I mean, if you're like, sorry, you gotta

2350
01:49:41,760 --> 01:49:44,640
Speaker 2: fight David Benavidez first, we'd be like, okay, I'm in

2351
01:49:44,840 --> 01:49:47,240
Speaker 2: let's do it. But whatever, Hey, Luke, that's the show

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01:49:47,320 --> 01:49:48,559
Speaker 2: for this week. I got to head off to some

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01:49:48,560 --> 01:49:51,439
Speaker 2: production meetings here in pbc Land, but I'm excited for

2354
01:49:51,479 --> 01:49:55,240
Speaker 2: you this evening. Isn't this the LFA undercard that you're

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01:49:55,280 --> 01:49:56,680
Speaker 2: taking over? Where do we watch this?

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01:49:57,080 --> 01:49:59,040
Speaker 3: Yes, I have a link, I'll send it out. You

2357
01:49:59,040 --> 01:50:02,240
Speaker 3: can just follow me on So it's a very specific link.

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01:50:02,240 --> 01:50:03,960
Speaker 3: But the one trying to make is it's just two fights.

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01:50:04,000 --> 01:50:05,720
Speaker 3: I'm only calling two fights. This is kind of like

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01:50:05,880 --> 01:50:08,200
Speaker 3: they're just kicking the tires on something. It's a company

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01:50:08,200 --> 01:50:11,160
Speaker 3: that signed a deal with LFA. They're called Mitico, and

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01:50:11,200 --> 01:50:13,280
Speaker 3: it's just me watching the fights and like giving my

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01:50:13,320 --> 01:50:15,240
Speaker 3: opinion on them in real time. They'll see my face

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01:50:15,280 --> 01:50:18,000
Speaker 3: on the screen. The difference is I can control the

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01:50:18,040 --> 01:50:20,720
Speaker 3: camera angles and the graphics and stuff, so they're just

2366
01:50:20,760 --> 01:50:23,400
Speaker 3: empowering me with a few more tools. And that's how

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Speaker 3: we arrived at this position seven forty five in the East.

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Speaker 2: We kick off and good stuff, good stuff all around.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much for tuning in, everybody. Thanks to

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Speaker 2: Demetrius Johnson for stopping by Long Island. Luke, appreciate you

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01:50:34,640 --> 01:50:36,519
Speaker 2: on the ones and twoes there you can probably watch

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01:50:36,600 --> 01:50:38,679
Speaker 2: him smoke Bong hits on the main card minute on

2373
01:50:38,760 --> 01:50:42,919
Speaker 2: Saturday when that Apex card hits again. But until Monday

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Speaker 2: when we come back live in New York City. I'm

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Speaker 2: Brian Campbell, that's Luke Thomas. You're all a bunch of donks,

2376
01:50:50,439 --> 01:50:52,479
Speaker 2: but we love you, and I got to fix my

2377
01:50:52,560 --> 01:50:54,960
Speaker 2: road set up. Apparently we're out of here. That's it.

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Speaker 2: That's that's the end of the show.

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Speaker 4: That's just