1 00:00:13,200 --> 00:00:16,880 Speaker 1: The show goes on. This is the official show on 2 00:00:16,960 --> 00:00:21,239 Speaker 1: the fish Stripes podcast channel with me Eli Sussman, the 3 00:00:21,400 --> 00:00:24,920 Speaker 1: managing editor of Fish Stripes, where we cover your Miami 4 00:00:24,960 --> 00:00:28,960 Speaker 1: Marlins every day in our own way. A whole lot 5 00:00:29,000 --> 00:00:31,640 Speaker 1: of programming notes to get to before we go into 6 00:00:31,680 --> 00:00:34,600 Speaker 1: this episode of the show, exiting the Major League All 7 00:00:34,640 --> 00:00:37,040 Speaker 1: Star Break and the Minor League All Star Break into 8 00:00:37,080 --> 00:00:39,800 Speaker 1: the second half of the season. We also just had 9 00:00:39,840 --> 00:00:44,640 Speaker 1: the MLB Draft. So Spencer Morris, he's our amateur scouting expert. 10 00:00:44,760 --> 00:00:47,479 Speaker 1: He's going to drop on Thursday by the time you're 11 00:00:47,479 --> 00:00:50,599 Speaker 1: listening to this his big overview of what the Marlins 12 00:00:50,600 --> 00:00:53,560 Speaker 1: did in their twenty round draft this year. Be sure 13 00:00:53,560 --> 00:00:58,000 Speaker 1: to check that out fishstripes dot com. Slash Prospects go 14 00:00:58,040 --> 00:01:02,560 Speaker 1: to fish stripes dot com. Also on the site, Adam Akbani. 15 00:01:02,600 --> 00:01:05,560 Speaker 1: He's making his Fishtripe's debut as a writer, breaking down 16 00:01:05,880 --> 00:01:10,959 Speaker 1: the Marlins heating development struggles in recent years. Finally, also 17 00:01:11,040 --> 00:01:15,000 Speaker 1: on Wednesday, we just recorded a new trivia show of 18 00:01:15,280 --> 00:01:19,800 Speaker 1: Marlin's Jeopardy featuring Jeremy Tasha of Ballyt Sports, Florida. Those 19 00:01:19,800 --> 00:01:24,200 Speaker 1: are always a great time as we take Marlin's history 20 00:01:24,480 --> 00:01:28,440 Speaker 1: and contemporary topics and we put them in Jeopardy style formats. 21 00:01:28,480 --> 00:01:31,640 Speaker 1: You can rewatch that thing in its entirety on YouTube 22 00:01:31,760 --> 00:01:36,920 Speaker 1: or Twitter or Facebook. Always accepting fan submissions for Jeopardy 23 00:01:36,920 --> 00:01:39,760 Speaker 1: clues in future episodes. We do it mostly during the 24 00:01:39,800 --> 00:01:42,480 Speaker 1: off season, but as was the case here, mixing it 25 00:01:42,520 --> 00:01:46,560 Speaker 1: in during the long season as well. For the majority 26 00:01:46,560 --> 00:01:49,120 Speaker 1: of this official show episode, we have an interview me 27 00:01:49,400 --> 00:01:53,120 Speaker 1: and Daniel Rodriguez, brought on Ben Carlyle, the publisher of 28 00:01:53,280 --> 00:01:56,920 Speaker 1: Bleed Tech Blue. He is a former pitcher at Louisiana Tech. 29 00:01:57,440 --> 00:02:00,000 Speaker 1: And if you're wondering what the connection is the Marlins. 30 00:02:00,600 --> 00:02:03,400 Speaker 1: During Day two of their draft, they picked two players 31 00:02:03,440 --> 00:02:06,880 Speaker 1: from Louisiana Tech. The more that I did digging on 32 00:02:06,880 --> 00:02:09,920 Speaker 1: that baseball program and the particular guys that they selected, 33 00:02:10,560 --> 00:02:14,440 Speaker 1: we'll be focusing on Cad Gibson and Kyle Krigger, both 34 00:02:14,480 --> 00:02:17,400 Speaker 1: of them pitchers for that team. I was just really 35 00:02:17,400 --> 00:02:19,839 Speaker 1: fascinated by a lot of angles of this. He also 36 00:02:19,880 --> 00:02:23,000 Speaker 1: has some perspective on the Marlins top draft pick, Jacob 37 00:02:23,000 --> 00:02:26,120 Speaker 1: Barry as well, considering that he was playing in Louisiana 38 00:02:26,320 --> 00:02:29,640 Speaker 1: this past season. It's much different conversation than we usually 39 00:02:29,639 --> 00:02:31,160 Speaker 1: have on the pod, but I think you're really going 40 00:02:31,200 --> 00:02:34,000 Speaker 1: to love it and what it says about how the 41 00:02:34,040 --> 00:02:39,440 Speaker 1: Marlins are approaching scouting in development at this critical juncture 42 00:02:39,560 --> 00:02:42,960 Speaker 1: of the organization. Right before we get into that and 43 00:02:43,120 --> 00:02:45,480 Speaker 1: right on the other side of this quick break, I'm 44 00:02:45,480 --> 00:02:49,120 Speaker 1: diving into the Wan Sodo sweepsticks. One of the best 45 00:02:49,200 --> 00:02:52,240 Speaker 1: hitters that I've ever seen is on the trade block 46 00:02:52,919 --> 00:02:56,840 Speaker 1: stick with me. I usually don't double dip some of 47 00:02:56,880 --> 00:02:59,200 Speaker 1: the topics that were on a fish strip's article and 48 00:02:59,240 --> 00:03:00,600 Speaker 1: do it on the pod. I don't want to be 49 00:03:00,720 --> 00:03:03,720 Speaker 1: redundant in that way. So the full article I put 50 00:03:03,800 --> 00:03:05,640 Speaker 1: up on one Soto that is on the site if 51 00:03:05,680 --> 00:03:08,000 Speaker 1: you want to check it out. It's thirteen hundred words 52 00:03:08,320 --> 00:03:11,760 Speaker 1: about Sodo, his why he's available in the first place, 53 00:03:11,800 --> 00:03:13,840 Speaker 1: his potential fit with the Marlins if they were to 54 00:03:13,880 --> 00:03:16,120 Speaker 1: go after him, and what that proposal would look like. 55 00:03:16,919 --> 00:03:19,320 Speaker 1: Several times in that article I put the disclaimers in 56 00:03:19,320 --> 00:03:21,400 Speaker 1: there that it's not going to happen. That we know 57 00:03:21,639 --> 00:03:25,600 Speaker 1: above alls, the Marlins just are too frugal to support 58 00:03:25,639 --> 00:03:29,480 Speaker 1: a player of Sodo's caliber. On here, I wanted to 59 00:03:29,560 --> 00:03:31,360 Speaker 1: just look at a couple different angles of that that 60 00:03:31,400 --> 00:03:34,040 Speaker 1: I don't think I covered sufficiently in the article form 61 00:03:34,080 --> 00:03:36,960 Speaker 1: as well, and some things that aren't even Sodo specific, 62 00:03:37,080 --> 00:03:41,800 Speaker 1: but also bigger picture topics regarding the Marlins. The big 63 00:03:41,880 --> 00:03:44,720 Speaker 1: jaw dropping stat about Sodo, to lead it off, is 64 00:03:44,720 --> 00:03:49,000 Speaker 1: that this guy, who is a perennial MVP candidate, who's 65 00:03:49,040 --> 00:03:52,440 Speaker 1: been back to back All Star selection, who was a 66 00:03:52,520 --> 00:03:55,040 Speaker 1: key component to a World Series team three years ago, 67 00:03:55,680 --> 00:03:59,240 Speaker 1: this guy, he is younger than any hitter that has 68 00:03:59,280 --> 00:04:03,320 Speaker 1: played for the Marlins this season, already established well established 69 00:04:03,360 --> 00:04:07,800 Speaker 1: as a potential future Hall of Famer, and yet he 70 00:04:07,880 --> 00:04:12,600 Speaker 1: is still in his age twenty three season. It's just 71 00:04:13,240 --> 00:04:19,680 Speaker 1: it's what it's the critical factor about why, potentially, even 72 00:04:19,720 --> 00:04:22,039 Speaker 1: if the Nationals want who trade him, why it's so 73 00:04:22,160 --> 00:04:24,520 Speaker 1: hard to get a deal done that is fair for 74 00:04:24,600 --> 00:04:28,039 Speaker 1: both sides. This is a once in a generation type 75 00:04:28,080 --> 00:04:30,839 Speaker 1: of player that is so good at such an early age, 76 00:04:30,880 --> 00:04:35,279 Speaker 1: so established, and so good at the most fundamental aspect 77 00:04:35,360 --> 00:04:39,200 Speaker 1: of baseball, which is being a hitter, being a good hitter, 78 00:04:39,320 --> 00:04:44,279 Speaker 1: being very well disciplined. Soto is five hundred and fifty 79 00:04:44,320 --> 00:04:47,120 Speaker 1: five games into his career. That's a big sample, and 80 00:04:47,440 --> 00:04:52,280 Speaker 1: he has a nine to sixty eight OPS. He last year. 81 00:04:52,680 --> 00:04:54,680 Speaker 1: The last couple of years in twenty twenty and twenty 82 00:04:54,720 --> 00:04:56,919 Speaker 1: twenty one, he got on base in almost half of 83 00:04:56,960 --> 00:05:01,000 Speaker 1: his plate appearances, more walks and strikeouts, on pace for 84 00:05:01,720 --> 00:05:04,400 Speaker 1: another thirty home run season this year. He has the 85 00:05:04,440 --> 00:05:09,400 Speaker 1: power too. He is just a phenomenal, phenomenal player. Anybody 86 00:05:09,400 --> 00:05:11,600 Speaker 1: whos plicted one of the very best players in baseball 87 00:05:12,560 --> 00:05:14,800 Speaker 1: and one who at this moment is not tied down 88 00:05:14,880 --> 00:05:17,880 Speaker 1: to a big contract. So this is another detail that 89 00:05:18,000 --> 00:05:20,920 Speaker 1: came flying in. And the reason why he's available in 90 00:05:20,960 --> 00:05:23,440 Speaker 1: the first place is that the Nationals they made a 91 00:05:23,520 --> 00:05:28,000 Speaker 1: record setting contract offer to him fifteen years, four hundred 92 00:05:28,040 --> 00:05:31,400 Speaker 1: and forty million dollars. That would be the largest guarantee 93 00:05:31,480 --> 00:05:34,320 Speaker 1: in terms of years and dollars fifteen and four forty 94 00:05:34,640 --> 00:05:38,360 Speaker 1: in major league history. He turned them down. He turned 95 00:05:38,400 --> 00:05:41,000 Speaker 1: them down because he knows that he's probably worth more 96 00:05:41,040 --> 00:05:43,960 Speaker 1: than that, or at the very least once more flexibility 97 00:05:44,080 --> 00:05:46,440 Speaker 1: with his career than to tie himself to one franchise 98 00:05:46,880 --> 00:05:49,880 Speaker 1: through what would be the vast majority of that career. 99 00:05:50,880 --> 00:05:53,440 Speaker 2: At the end of the day, they sat on my 100 00:05:53,440 --> 00:05:56,400 Speaker 2: hands with what decision they made. Yeah, I mean I 101 00:05:56,440 --> 00:05:59,000 Speaker 2: talk him with my people right here, and they take 102 00:05:59,040 --> 00:06:02,520 Speaker 2: care about everything else. For me, I just come through 103 00:06:02,520 --> 00:06:06,679 Speaker 2: the field, play baseball and enjoy as most. 104 00:06:06,480 --> 00:06:06,960 Speaker 3: As the camp. 105 00:06:08,640 --> 00:06:11,560 Speaker 1: He is a Scott Boris client and it's going to 106 00:06:11,600 --> 00:06:16,960 Speaker 1: take it's going to take in just an unfathomable amount 107 00:06:16,960 --> 00:06:19,560 Speaker 1: of money in order to keep him away from free agency. 108 00:06:20,520 --> 00:06:23,400 Speaker 1: But just because the Nationals felt as were to extend him, 109 00:06:23,400 --> 00:06:25,640 Speaker 1: I don't think that is necessarily true of whoever is 110 00:06:25,640 --> 00:06:28,560 Speaker 1: trying to acquire him. So this is the point. People 111 00:06:28,640 --> 00:06:32,120 Speaker 1: that were disagree with me about this idea, and most 112 00:06:32,160 --> 00:06:34,919 Speaker 1: people did. They didn't like this idea because they know 113 00:06:34,960 --> 00:06:37,279 Speaker 1: that Sodo is not going to be affordable for the 114 00:06:37,279 --> 00:06:41,080 Speaker 1: Marlins long term, even in this imaginary world where they 115 00:06:41,080 --> 00:06:42,560 Speaker 1: do get him in the first place. He's going to 116 00:06:42,600 --> 00:06:45,520 Speaker 1: be free agent after the twenty twenty four season, and 117 00:06:45,600 --> 00:06:47,640 Speaker 1: there's no way there you are going to support the 118 00:06:47,720 --> 00:06:50,600 Speaker 1: highest paid player in baseball, regardless of how young he is, 119 00:06:51,080 --> 00:06:54,800 Speaker 1: how consistent he is year to year. That it's not 120 00:06:54,839 --> 00:06:58,520 Speaker 1: going to happen. They're absolutely right about that. I just 121 00:06:58,640 --> 00:07:01,760 Speaker 1: want people to realize how how precious every single season 122 00:07:01,880 --> 00:07:05,159 Speaker 1: is for the Marlins at this stage. This isn't twenty 123 00:07:05,360 --> 00:07:10,000 Speaker 1: eighteen anymore. This isn't where you're looking. Obviously you want 124 00:07:10,040 --> 00:07:12,720 Speaker 1: to have the long term ramifications in mind whenever making 125 00:07:12,760 --> 00:07:17,280 Speaker 1: any decision, But this is not a team that I 126 00:07:17,320 --> 00:07:20,320 Speaker 1: think a fan base that should be at all satisfied 127 00:07:20,760 --> 00:07:24,560 Speaker 1: with prioritizing the long term over the here and now. 128 00:07:24,640 --> 00:07:27,800 Speaker 1: This is a team that I think is just barely 129 00:07:27,880 --> 00:07:31,600 Speaker 1: close enough on the periphery of the postseason hunts that 130 00:07:32,640 --> 00:07:36,360 Speaker 1: at this very moment, their mentality should be adding more 131 00:07:36,400 --> 00:07:39,560 Speaker 1: talents that gives them some sort of chance to stick 132 00:07:39,600 --> 00:07:43,680 Speaker 1: around and sneak into the postseason. And maybe that changes 133 00:07:43,680 --> 00:07:46,080 Speaker 1: over the next couple weeks between now and the trade deadline. 134 00:07:46,080 --> 00:07:48,240 Speaker 1: If they do fall on their face, if they do 135 00:07:48,400 --> 00:07:50,760 Speaker 1: lose the majority of those games over the next two weeks, 136 00:07:50,800 --> 00:07:53,120 Speaker 1: I think that decision is pretty much made for them. 137 00:07:53,200 --> 00:07:55,480 Speaker 1: That if they're just too far away, then you can't 138 00:07:55,600 --> 00:08:02,360 Speaker 1: justify focusing on the here and now. But Sodo in 139 00:08:02,400 --> 00:08:06,480 Speaker 1: this situation, twenty twenty four after that season is when 140 00:08:06,520 --> 00:08:08,600 Speaker 1: he's available for free agency. That gives you two and 141 00:08:08,600 --> 00:08:11,520 Speaker 1: a half seasons between here and now. So if you're 142 00:08:11,760 --> 00:08:14,920 Speaker 1: on the opinion that this season is already lost, and 143 00:08:15,120 --> 00:08:18,119 Speaker 1: I can understand that perspective considering how poorly they played 144 00:08:18,120 --> 00:08:20,440 Speaker 1: rep before the All Star Break. I guess that's defensible 145 00:08:20,960 --> 00:08:25,200 Speaker 1: to me at this very moment. I think there is 146 00:08:25,280 --> 00:08:29,800 Speaker 1: still a shred of hope in that the Marlins should 147 00:08:29,840 --> 00:08:32,240 Speaker 1: be looking around not just that Sodo, but across all 148 00:08:32,280 --> 00:08:36,880 Speaker 1: the entire landscape and thinking about trying to target players 149 00:08:36,920 --> 00:08:40,240 Speaker 1: that fit their team and can make them measurably better 150 00:08:40,440 --> 00:08:43,559 Speaker 1: in August than September in early October, and who can 151 00:08:43,600 --> 00:08:47,760 Speaker 1: be acquired very efficiently. So this Sodo deal, it would 152 00:08:47,800 --> 00:08:50,800 Speaker 1: not be efficient. It would be It would just it'd 153 00:08:50,840 --> 00:08:53,040 Speaker 1: be crippling to the farm system, There's no doubt about 154 00:08:53,040 --> 00:08:54,520 Speaker 1: it. It would take a farm system that I think most 155 00:08:54,520 --> 00:08:57,960 Speaker 1: people would say was above average right now at this 156 00:08:58,080 --> 00:09:00,840 Speaker 1: very moment, even in light of a lot of recent graduations. 157 00:09:01,280 --> 00:09:05,480 Speaker 1: And it would include their very best prospect, Juri Perez. 158 00:09:05,880 --> 00:09:09,440 Speaker 1: It would include Edward Cabrera as he works his way 159 00:09:09,440 --> 00:09:13,840 Speaker 1: back from injury. It would include JJ Blade, who was 160 00:09:14,280 --> 00:09:16,880 Speaker 1: very highly touted originally as a first round draft pick, 161 00:09:17,160 --> 00:09:21,199 Speaker 1: as well as a couple teenagers that are more lottery 162 00:09:21,200 --> 00:09:23,760 Speaker 1: tickets at this stage of their career, Yudi Cape and 163 00:09:23,880 --> 00:09:27,800 Speaker 1: Ronald Hernandez, the shortstop Yudy Cape and switch It and 164 00:09:27,800 --> 00:09:31,520 Speaker 1: catcher Hernandez, both of them international signees who I think 165 00:09:31,600 --> 00:09:34,439 Speaker 1: very highly of and are certainly top thirty Marlins prospects, 166 00:09:35,080 --> 00:09:37,320 Speaker 1: but ones that are still many years away from the 167 00:09:37,360 --> 00:09:40,520 Speaker 1: majors and have yet to establish themselves in full season ball. 168 00:09:40,640 --> 00:09:43,080 Speaker 1: Yet the final piece I threw into this package in 169 00:09:43,120 --> 00:09:48,680 Speaker 1: addition to Perez, Cabrera, Blede Cape and Hernandez was Trevor Rogers. 170 00:09:49,800 --> 00:09:53,400 Speaker 1: Trevor who entering this season we thought would was borderline 171 00:09:53,559 --> 00:09:56,880 Speaker 1: untouchable in this organization as an All Star in his 172 00:09:56,960 --> 00:10:00,360 Speaker 1: rookie year and somebody that just showed a remark arkable 173 00:10:00,480 --> 00:10:03,480 Speaker 1: skill set for a starting pitcher, and his future is still, 174 00:10:03,520 --> 00:10:06,000 Speaker 1: in my opinion, very bright, but of course coming off 175 00:10:06,000 --> 00:10:08,840 Speaker 1: a first half of the season that showed that he 176 00:10:08,880 --> 00:10:11,680 Speaker 1: cannot be relied upon to contribute to winning the rest 177 00:10:11,720 --> 00:10:15,480 Speaker 1: of this year. And so whether it's one SODO trade 178 00:10:15,480 --> 00:10:17,560 Speaker 1: in particular, the one that we know is probably not 179 00:10:17,600 --> 00:10:21,320 Speaker 1: going to happen for the Marlins or anything else, I 180 00:10:21,320 --> 00:10:24,160 Speaker 1: think Trevor Rodgers is an interesting guy to keep in 181 00:10:24,200 --> 00:10:27,080 Speaker 1: mind that still I believe has immense value on the 182 00:10:27,120 --> 00:10:30,320 Speaker 1: market considering what he did a very short time ago, 183 00:10:30,720 --> 00:10:34,920 Speaker 1: and yet he's at a stage where either the Marlins 184 00:10:34,960 --> 00:10:36,880 Speaker 1: are a team that plummets out of the race and 185 00:10:36,920 --> 00:10:40,760 Speaker 1: he can do continued sticking in the rotation every five 186 00:10:40,840 --> 00:10:43,920 Speaker 1: games in a low stress environment, or he's somebody that 187 00:10:43,960 --> 00:10:47,840 Speaker 1: could benefit from being traded to a team that is 188 00:10:47,840 --> 00:10:50,600 Speaker 1: in a low stress situation in exchange for somebody that 189 00:10:50,679 --> 00:10:54,160 Speaker 1: can be more reliable down the stretch. So the last 190 00:10:54,160 --> 00:10:55,839 Speaker 1: word about the article is that it was an a 191 00:10:56,040 --> 00:10:58,600 Speaker 1: player trade, those six guys going from the Marlins and 192 00:10:58,800 --> 00:11:03,480 Speaker 1: bundling Soto and Victor Roebliss from the Nationals. Because what 193 00:11:03,600 --> 00:11:05,920 Speaker 1: makes Sodo a little bit of an awkward fit, of course, 194 00:11:06,000 --> 00:11:09,000 Speaker 1: is that he is exclusively a corner outfielder, with the 195 00:11:09,000 --> 00:11:10,840 Speaker 1: exception of the All Star Game. I don't know if 196 00:11:10,840 --> 00:11:12,880 Speaker 1: people caught that he played center field for a few 197 00:11:12,880 --> 00:11:15,640 Speaker 1: innings in the All Star Game on Tuesday, other than 198 00:11:15,679 --> 00:11:18,200 Speaker 1: that he's a corner outfielder. Where the Marlins already have 199 00:11:18,440 --> 00:11:21,959 Speaker 1: invested a whole lot of money in Avasiel Garcia, in 200 00:11:22,040 --> 00:11:25,640 Speaker 1: Jorge Solaire, in several of their top prospects. Even in 201 00:11:25,679 --> 00:11:28,280 Speaker 1: addition to Blade, several of their other young outfielders are 202 00:11:28,440 --> 00:11:32,120 Speaker 1: also kind of exclusively corner guys. So it is already 203 00:11:32,160 --> 00:11:35,120 Speaker 1: a crowded position, just one that does not have very 204 00:11:35,120 --> 00:11:38,800 Speaker 1: many good solutions at this particular moment, and SODO would 205 00:11:38,800 --> 00:11:41,160 Speaker 1: be a fast upgrade over that. I believe there's some 206 00:11:41,200 --> 00:11:43,720 Speaker 1: creative shuffling that they can do with players on this 207 00:11:43,760 --> 00:11:46,680 Speaker 1: team in order to have Soda there every day and 208 00:11:46,760 --> 00:11:50,400 Speaker 1: still have still get actual meaningful production from those other 209 00:11:50,520 --> 00:11:53,160 Speaker 1: veterans that are already in place in the corner outfield 210 00:11:53,200 --> 00:11:56,160 Speaker 1: spots and in the DH mix as well. So more 211 00:11:56,160 --> 00:11:59,400 Speaker 1: of that is in the article. Just finishing up on this, 212 00:11:59,440 --> 00:12:01,600 Speaker 1: Some things that came to mind when I was exploring 213 00:12:01,600 --> 00:12:04,920 Speaker 1: this topic is a reminder that the Major league schedule 214 00:12:05,040 --> 00:12:09,080 Speaker 1: changes next year. Instead of nineteen games head to head 215 00:12:09,080 --> 00:12:11,400 Speaker 1: against all of your division rivals, it's only going to 216 00:12:11,440 --> 00:12:16,960 Speaker 1: be fourteen. And also with that, obviously, what went into 217 00:12:17,000 --> 00:12:19,920 Speaker 1: effect this year is the new playoff format, which adds 218 00:12:19,920 --> 00:12:23,839 Speaker 1: an extra wild card spot to both leagues. So some 219 00:12:23,920 --> 00:12:27,439 Speaker 1: traditionalists are going to be bothered by this. The reality 220 00:12:27,559 --> 00:12:30,559 Speaker 1: is that divisional play is going to be less important 221 00:12:30,760 --> 00:12:34,240 Speaker 1: moving forward than it ever has been before when you're 222 00:12:34,240 --> 00:12:36,719 Speaker 1: playing less head to head against these teams, and when 223 00:12:36,760 --> 00:12:40,640 Speaker 1: you have an extra route that you can take into 224 00:12:40,679 --> 00:12:45,320 Speaker 1: the postseason without directly going through your division rivals then 225 00:12:45,800 --> 00:12:49,040 Speaker 1: trading making transactions with each other, I think is going 226 00:12:49,080 --> 00:12:51,640 Speaker 1: to become more acceptable than it ever has been before. 227 00:12:52,360 --> 00:12:54,719 Speaker 1: It has been speculated that the Nationals don't want to 228 00:12:54,760 --> 00:12:56,960 Speaker 1: trade within their division. I think that came from John 229 00:12:57,000 --> 00:13:01,160 Speaker 1: Hayman of the New York Post. I don't think that 230 00:13:01,160 --> 00:13:04,080 Speaker 1: that's actually going to be the reality of the situation 231 00:13:04,240 --> 00:13:06,520 Speaker 1: with this and other similar cases moving forward, that they're 232 00:13:06,559 --> 00:13:08,240 Speaker 1: just going to look for the best offer out there. 233 00:13:08,640 --> 00:13:11,680 Speaker 1: The Marlins are a team that with that package I 234 00:13:11,880 --> 00:13:13,839 Speaker 1: laid out, there a lot of guys that at this 235 00:13:13,960 --> 00:13:18,120 Speaker 1: particular moment are not essential to the major league team 236 00:13:18,520 --> 00:13:20,640 Speaker 1: that could be dealt in order for the Marlins to 237 00:13:20,960 --> 00:13:24,599 Speaker 1: make the biggest of all possible upgrades. I wanted to 238 00:13:24,640 --> 00:13:27,600 Speaker 1: focus on Sodo just because to reinforce how rare it 239 00:13:27,679 --> 00:13:31,960 Speaker 1: is that a player of this talent in his contractual situation, 240 00:13:32,080 --> 00:13:35,040 Speaker 1: still two and a half years away from free agency, 241 00:13:36,480 --> 00:13:39,160 Speaker 1: with his skill set doing what he does well. These 242 00:13:39,160 --> 00:13:41,800 Speaker 1: guys do not come available every year or even every 243 00:13:42,000 --> 00:13:45,200 Speaker 1: five years like this is. It is not all that 244 00:13:45,280 --> 00:13:49,240 Speaker 1: dissimilar to the Miguel Cabrera situation back in two thousand 245 00:13:49,280 --> 00:13:52,959 Speaker 1: and seven. That's kind of the that is the territory 246 00:13:53,280 --> 00:13:56,920 Speaker 1: that Soto has ascended in already so early in his career. 247 00:13:57,120 --> 00:13:59,400 Speaker 1: If it's not going to be Soto, who is it? 248 00:13:59,440 --> 00:14:02,880 Speaker 1: Who is going to be this bat or multiple bats 249 00:14:02,880 --> 00:14:06,400 Speaker 1: that the Marlins are going to get for several years 250 00:14:06,400 --> 00:14:10,760 Speaker 1: moving forward that will meaningfully improve their offensive outlook, there 251 00:14:10,800 --> 00:14:13,880 Speaker 1: are You go through the names and there's just not 252 00:14:14,080 --> 00:14:18,240 Speaker 1: a lot of easy fits moving forward. Ramon Loriano is 253 00:14:18,240 --> 00:14:20,680 Speaker 1: somebody I've brought up that others have brought up who 254 00:14:21,000 --> 00:14:24,560 Speaker 1: is a good overall player. He is not a especially 255 00:14:25,000 --> 00:14:27,880 Speaker 1: fantastic kitter. He never has been, and this year it's 256 00:14:27,920 --> 00:14:32,760 Speaker 1: been just fine. It's fine. The upside is not nearly 257 00:14:32,800 --> 00:14:35,200 Speaker 1: the same as somebody like Sodo. I guess the closest 258 00:14:35,200 --> 00:14:37,320 Speaker 1: you can get is Brian Reynolds, who we know the 259 00:14:37,360 --> 00:14:40,480 Speaker 1: Marlins have been zeroing in on going back I think 260 00:14:40,520 --> 00:14:43,080 Speaker 1: a full year now since last trade deadline, and have 261 00:14:43,320 --> 00:14:47,440 Speaker 1: continued to knock on the Pirate's door regarding his availability. 262 00:14:47,680 --> 00:14:49,800 Speaker 1: And he does play center field, at least at a 263 00:14:50,680 --> 00:14:54,120 Speaker 1: passable level. He has experienced there that Sodo does not. 264 00:14:54,640 --> 00:14:57,040 Speaker 1: He's still working his way back from an oblique injury. 265 00:14:57,240 --> 00:15:00,520 Speaker 1: It is doubtful, very doubtful that he's go to be 266 00:15:00,640 --> 00:15:02,920 Speaker 1: traded anywhere at the deadline, because he might still be 267 00:15:03,000 --> 00:15:05,960 Speaker 1: on the injured list or just fresh off of it. 268 00:15:06,040 --> 00:15:09,280 Speaker 1: So that's gonna have to wait as well. They are 269 00:15:09,280 --> 00:15:14,520 Speaker 1: in the spot where it's frustrating. It's frustrating because you 270 00:15:14,600 --> 00:15:16,760 Speaker 1: know that Soda is not going to be a realistic option. 271 00:15:16,800 --> 00:15:19,640 Speaker 1: He's going to be making by next year twenty five 272 00:15:19,800 --> 00:15:22,040 Speaker 1: million dollars in the year after that. Even more so, 273 00:15:22,080 --> 00:15:25,400 Speaker 1: he's under club control, but he's under control at by 274 00:15:25,480 --> 00:15:28,520 Speaker 1: Marlin standards. What's going to be an obscene cost that 275 00:15:28,600 --> 00:15:32,200 Speaker 1: I can't imagine them paying an individual player, and just 276 00:15:32,760 --> 00:15:37,120 Speaker 1: aside from him, you're really reaching for guys that are 277 00:15:37,120 --> 00:15:39,960 Speaker 1: are available, and makes sense for this team both this 278 00:15:40,080 --> 00:15:43,720 Speaker 1: year and for several years beyond that well, to be patient, 279 00:15:43,840 --> 00:15:45,800 Speaker 1: well to see a play out. I know people are 280 00:15:46,240 --> 00:15:50,000 Speaker 1: craving more trade deadline content and this has been a 281 00:15:50,000 --> 00:15:52,280 Speaker 1: frustration of mind. I jumped the gun a little early 282 00:15:52,360 --> 00:15:55,640 Speaker 1: saying they should be sellers, and just when I was 283 00:15:56,680 --> 00:15:59,440 Speaker 1: changing my tune about that and flipping around, they laid 284 00:15:59,480 --> 00:16:01,280 Speaker 1: an egg the way that they did this past week. 285 00:16:01,360 --> 00:16:03,800 Speaker 1: So you're just gonna have to wait, these decisions are 286 00:16:03,840 --> 00:16:06,160 Speaker 1: going to go down to the wire about as close 287 00:16:06,200 --> 00:16:09,800 Speaker 1: as possible within a couple days of the August second 288 00:16:09,800 --> 00:16:13,560 Speaker 1: deadline before we see any moves. And you can understand 289 00:16:13,600 --> 00:16:16,360 Speaker 1: why because they are I think, just as much, if 290 00:16:16,400 --> 00:16:18,240 Speaker 1: not more so, than any other team in baseball. They 291 00:16:18,240 --> 00:16:21,200 Speaker 1: are on that bubble of deciding whether to push or 292 00:16:21,240 --> 00:16:23,520 Speaker 1: whether or not to push. And it was my feeling 293 00:16:23,680 --> 00:16:26,040 Speaker 1: that the fan base itself would not allow them to 294 00:16:26,160 --> 00:16:28,720 Speaker 1: lay low, that would want them to be aggressive. And 295 00:16:28,760 --> 00:16:30,880 Speaker 1: yet when I put out something the way that I 296 00:16:30,920 --> 00:16:33,520 Speaker 1: did about so there's a lot of blowback between people 297 00:16:33,520 --> 00:16:36,360 Speaker 1: that don't want to mortgage a portion of the future 298 00:16:36,400 --> 00:16:39,640 Speaker 1: in order to raise the team's floor for this year 299 00:16:39,720 --> 00:16:41,760 Speaker 1: and the year after and the year after that. I 300 00:16:41,760 --> 00:16:44,760 Speaker 1: don't know where the window is for this team to contend. 301 00:16:44,800 --> 00:16:47,320 Speaker 1: If it isn't here and now, if it isn't opening 302 00:16:47,400 --> 00:16:51,480 Speaker 1: right now, when is it going to open? So naturally, 303 00:16:51,880 --> 00:16:54,520 Speaker 1: I'm hopeful that they do perform the way that they 304 00:16:54,520 --> 00:16:55,920 Speaker 1: need to in the next couple weeks in order to 305 00:16:56,000 --> 00:17:00,320 Speaker 1: be buyers. But we'll be following every single game. People 306 00:17:00,320 --> 00:17:03,040 Speaker 1: say like certain games are critical, are most important, blah 307 00:17:03,040 --> 00:17:07,320 Speaker 1: blah blah blah, blah. Every single game, every single game 308 00:17:07,359 --> 00:17:10,600 Speaker 1: between now and the deadline is crucial to making the 309 00:17:10,640 --> 00:17:13,639 Speaker 1: decisions that the Marlins we'll have to make. So I 310 00:17:13,720 --> 00:17:17,399 Speaker 1: love it. It's I know, it's a complicated and stressful time. 311 00:17:19,000 --> 00:17:21,840 Speaker 1: It's different than I was anticipating just a month ago, 312 00:17:22,000 --> 00:17:23,760 Speaker 1: or even a couple of weeks ago. They keep flip 313 00:17:23,760 --> 00:17:27,600 Speaker 1: flopping in that regard. It's interesting. It is a unique 314 00:17:27,600 --> 00:17:30,240 Speaker 1: situation for sure, So thanks for listening to that. Be 315 00:17:30,240 --> 00:17:32,200 Speaker 1: sure to check out the article if you haven't already. 316 00:17:32,600 --> 00:17:36,720 Speaker 1: Well a little more realistic trade deadline targets and can't 317 00:17:36,760 --> 00:17:39,640 Speaker 1: sell candidates and both sides of that as we get 318 00:17:39,640 --> 00:17:43,800 Speaker 1: closer to the deadline. In the meantime, going back to 319 00:17:43,960 --> 00:17:47,679 Speaker 1: MLB Draft content, here's our interview myself and Daniel Rodriguez 320 00:17:47,720 --> 00:18:12,199 Speaker 1: with Ben Carlisle of Bleed Tech Blue Enjoy here on 321 00:18:12,240 --> 00:18:16,720 Speaker 1: the official show Eli Sussman Daniel Rodriguez with a special 322 00:18:16,760 --> 00:18:19,840 Speaker 1: interview here. In the aftermath of the twenty twenty two 323 00:18:19,960 --> 00:18:23,200 Speaker 1: MLB Draft, Marlins made twenty picks, and two of them 324 00:18:23,240 --> 00:18:26,440 Speaker 1: from the same school from Louisiana Tech, and in the 325 00:18:26,440 --> 00:18:29,359 Speaker 1: seventh round, getting Kyle Krueger, a right handed pitcher in 326 00:18:29,400 --> 00:18:33,359 Speaker 1: the tenth round, getting Cad Gibson, a left handed pitcher, 327 00:18:34,280 --> 00:18:36,560 Speaker 1: and we're going to to find out more about these 328 00:18:36,560 --> 00:18:39,240 Speaker 1: guys and about this program in Louisiana Tech, and also 329 00:18:39,280 --> 00:18:43,359 Speaker 1: some adjacent draft topics. I think just an amazing guest 330 00:18:43,359 --> 00:18:45,600 Speaker 1: that we thought would be most appropriate for this is 331 00:18:45,640 --> 00:18:49,879 Speaker 1: a former pitcher at Louisiana Tech himself, and he's the 332 00:18:49,920 --> 00:18:53,680 Speaker 1: publisher of bleed tech Blue that covers all things about 333 00:18:53,680 --> 00:18:56,520 Speaker 1: the program. It's Ben Carlisle. Thank you for jumping on with. 334 00:18:56,520 --> 00:19:00,399 Speaker 4: Us, absolutely, guys. I appreciate you'all having me out in. 335 00:19:00,880 --> 00:19:03,040 Speaker 1: I wanted to start pretty generally because I did not 336 00:19:03,280 --> 00:19:05,040 Speaker 1: admitted to you I did not know much about this 337 00:19:05,080 --> 00:19:07,720 Speaker 1: program at all until the names were called. I guess 338 00:19:07,720 --> 00:19:10,800 Speaker 1: this was on Monday with both these players, and from 339 00:19:10,840 --> 00:19:14,160 Speaker 1: the most basic standpoint, could you just let people understand 340 00:19:14,280 --> 00:19:18,359 Speaker 1: exactly where Louisiana Tech is and a little bit about 341 00:19:18,359 --> 00:19:20,800 Speaker 1: the history of the baseball program they got over there. 342 00:19:21,160 --> 00:19:23,800 Speaker 4: Yeah, that's a really good question. You know, when you 343 00:19:23,840 --> 00:19:24,840 Speaker 4: look at or when you. 344 00:19:24,840 --> 00:19:27,320 Speaker 5: Hear the name Louisiana Tech, I think a lot of 345 00:19:27,359 --> 00:19:31,480 Speaker 5: people around the country kind of associate the entire state 346 00:19:31,520 --> 00:19:35,920 Speaker 5: of Louisiana with New Orleans, but Louisiana Tech's actually located 347 00:19:35,960 --> 00:19:39,159 Speaker 5: in Ruston, Louisiana, which is in the kind of the 348 00:19:40,119 --> 00:19:43,119 Speaker 5: central the as far north as you can get, but 349 00:19:43,200 --> 00:19:45,720 Speaker 5: in the middle part of the state. It's about an 350 00:19:45,720 --> 00:19:49,240 Speaker 5: hour and a half to the east of Shreveport, which 351 00:19:49,280 --> 00:19:54,240 Speaker 5: is probably the biggest major city that's close to Louisiana Tech. 352 00:19:54,320 --> 00:19:58,399 Speaker 5: And it's a program that you know, and we talked 353 00:19:58,400 --> 00:20:01,160 Speaker 5: about this before we started recording. You know, I played 354 00:20:01,160 --> 00:20:06,919 Speaker 5: at Louisiana Tech from twenty eleven to twenty fourteen, and 355 00:20:07,000 --> 00:20:09,439 Speaker 5: you know, you're going all the way back, you know, 356 00:20:09,520 --> 00:20:12,560 Speaker 5: to the early nineties into the two thousand into where 357 00:20:12,600 --> 00:20:15,840 Speaker 5: we are in twenty twenty two. The program hasn't had 358 00:20:15,880 --> 00:20:18,760 Speaker 5: a lot of history in the last thirty years, but 359 00:20:19,080 --> 00:20:22,560 Speaker 5: as you've seen dating back to twenty sixteen that the 360 00:20:22,600 --> 00:20:26,080 Speaker 5: program's now been to three regionals. And I'm sure we'll 361 00:20:26,080 --> 00:20:27,879 Speaker 5: get into it a little bit later, but back in 362 00:20:27,960 --> 00:20:31,800 Speaker 5: twenty nineteen, there's actually a tornado that came through rust 363 00:20:31,880 --> 00:20:35,480 Speaker 5: and wiped out the entire stadium, so the program got 364 00:20:35,520 --> 00:20:37,800 Speaker 5: to build a new stadium. But you know, off of 365 00:20:37,880 --> 00:20:40,920 Speaker 5: that and it's really kind of led to where they've 366 00:20:40,960 --> 00:20:43,080 Speaker 5: been the last couple of years, hosting a region in 367 00:20:43,119 --> 00:20:47,000 Speaker 5: twenty twenty one, playing in the Austin Regional this past season. 368 00:20:47,040 --> 00:20:52,840 Speaker 5: And Kyle Kriger Cade Gibson, those two guys were key contributors, 369 00:20:53,480 --> 00:20:57,000 Speaker 5: really strong performers throughout their time in Rusting, no doubt 370 00:20:57,040 --> 00:20:57,439 Speaker 5: about it. 371 00:20:57,880 --> 00:21:01,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, both me and Daniel where big Miami Hurricanes fans. 372 00:21:01,080 --> 00:21:03,479 Speaker 1: And I think maybe if any they know anything that 373 00:21:03,520 --> 00:21:06,520 Speaker 1: the listeners about the school, it's probably about these teams 374 00:21:06,520 --> 00:21:08,600 Speaker 1: meeting on the football field a few years ago in 375 00:21:08,640 --> 00:21:12,160 Speaker 1: the Independence Ball You remember that game where Miami got 376 00:21:12,440 --> 00:21:14,960 Speaker 1: They got embarrassed there, I got shut out in. 377 00:21:17,080 --> 00:21:17,320 Speaker 3: Second. 378 00:21:17,440 --> 00:21:19,399 Speaker 1: I imagine that was a lot of fun for you guys. 379 00:21:19,720 --> 00:21:22,080 Speaker 5: No, absolutely, I'm glad you brought that up. Yeah, I 380 00:21:22,119 --> 00:21:24,000 Speaker 5: was actually on the sideline at that game. And I 381 00:21:24,040 --> 00:21:28,679 Speaker 5: also remember back in my childhood when Miami traveled to 382 00:21:28,720 --> 00:21:31,960 Speaker 5: Shreveport and they met at a neutral site game and 383 00:21:32,040 --> 00:21:35,760 Speaker 5: into Pennis Stadium, And you know, I believe Frank Gore 384 00:21:35,920 --> 00:21:39,760 Speaker 5: Andrell Roll, Sean Taylor, that's one of you know back 385 00:21:39,800 --> 00:21:42,000 Speaker 5: in Miami's hey day, that that was so cool for 386 00:21:42,119 --> 00:21:42,760 Speaker 5: us to get to. 387 00:21:42,720 --> 00:21:44,600 Speaker 4: See them way back then. 388 00:21:44,640 --> 00:21:48,600 Speaker 5: But yeah, absolutely, I forgot about that Independence Bowl game. 389 00:21:48,640 --> 00:21:49,640 Speaker 4: Back in twenty nineteen. 390 00:21:50,400 --> 00:21:52,600 Speaker 1: One other thing before I handed over it to Daniel, 391 00:21:52,760 --> 00:21:54,879 Speaker 1: the Marlins, the big league team. They had their Triple 392 00:21:54,960 --> 00:21:59,280 Speaker 1: A affiliate in the New Orleans over a decade until 393 00:21:59,280 --> 00:22:01,880 Speaker 1: I think twenty nine team as we just got into. 394 00:22:01,920 --> 00:22:04,080 Speaker 1: You know, it's not anywhere close to Rustin. That's a 395 00:22:04,080 --> 00:22:06,080 Speaker 1: big drive to get down there. But I am curious 396 00:22:06,119 --> 00:22:08,760 Speaker 1: that if you ever did you ever were too one 397 00:22:08,760 --> 00:22:12,440 Speaker 1: of those New Orleans to play Baby Kings games when. 398 00:22:12,359 --> 00:22:15,640 Speaker 5: I have not the I have not ever been down 399 00:22:15,680 --> 00:22:18,639 Speaker 5: to New Orleans to a Baby Case game. The closest 400 00:22:18,640 --> 00:22:20,919 Speaker 5: minor league team that we had to us for a 401 00:22:21,040 --> 00:22:26,159 Speaker 5: while the Giants Double A team was actually the Shreeport Captains, 402 00:22:27,119 --> 00:22:27,720 Speaker 5: and you'd. 403 00:22:27,520 --> 00:22:28,280 Speaker 4: Have to go way back. 404 00:22:28,280 --> 00:22:32,040 Speaker 5: It's probably been fifteen twenty years now since they relocated. 405 00:22:32,080 --> 00:22:35,000 Speaker 5: But those are the minor league games that I kind 406 00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:38,160 Speaker 5: of went to growing up, which obviously they're not around 407 00:22:38,160 --> 00:22:43,000 Speaker 5: and so probably the closest to us now, Jackson, Mississippi 408 00:22:43,400 --> 00:22:46,760 Speaker 5: is a couple hours from Rusting. That would be the 409 00:22:46,800 --> 00:22:51,119 Speaker 5: closest minor league affiliate, maybe into Little Rock something like 410 00:22:51,160 --> 00:22:53,560 Speaker 5: that would be you know where fans in our areas 411 00:22:53,600 --> 00:22:56,960 Speaker 5: would go for minor league baseball. 412 00:22:57,160 --> 00:23:00,159 Speaker 6: Yeah, my question to you, just really quick on a 413 00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:03,400 Speaker 6: little bit on your baseball career that you're actually teammates 414 00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:06,199 Speaker 6: with the current major leaguer now from the Astros, Phil Maton. 415 00:23:06,840 --> 00:23:09,560 Speaker 6: Just how is that being teammates with him and just 416 00:23:09,600 --> 00:23:11,600 Speaker 6: seeing where he's at right now, just killing it with 417 00:23:11,640 --> 00:23:12,480 Speaker 6: the Astros. 418 00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:15,600 Speaker 4: Yeah, it was really cool. I'm glad you asked about Phil. 419 00:23:15,640 --> 00:23:18,600 Speaker 5: He was actually my roommate in college, so we got 420 00:23:18,600 --> 00:23:19,680 Speaker 5: to know each other really well. 421 00:23:19,680 --> 00:23:21,120 Speaker 4: He's from Chatham, Illinois. 422 00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:23,840 Speaker 5: Uh, just one of those kids from the North who 423 00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:25,840 Speaker 5: was wanting to get down into the South, which is 424 00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:29,960 Speaker 5: you know, probably more baseball country, and you know, as 425 00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:31,800 Speaker 5: a pitcher, he kind of burst on the scene for 426 00:23:31,920 --> 00:23:34,560 Speaker 5: us as a freshman. I remember we went up to 427 00:23:34,600 --> 00:23:38,320 Speaker 5: a midweek game at Vanderbilt and he, you know, went 428 00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:42,280 Speaker 5: seven innings, probably punched out ten and really had a good, 429 00:23:42,440 --> 00:23:45,199 Speaker 5: solid career at Louisiana Tech. I don't think any of 430 00:23:45,280 --> 00:23:48,080 Speaker 5: us walking away from that. I was like, Phil's gonna 431 00:23:48,119 --> 00:23:50,640 Speaker 5: pitch in the big leagues one day. But he got 432 00:23:50,680 --> 00:23:53,480 Speaker 5: the opportunity to get drafted, I believe in the twentieth 433 00:23:53,560 --> 00:23:56,680 Speaker 5: round by the Padres. They stuck him in the bullpen. 434 00:23:56,760 --> 00:23:59,800 Speaker 5: He's a spin rate guy. Before spin rate was kind 435 00:23:59,800 --> 00:24:03,679 Speaker 5: of really emerged as one of those catchy phrases that 436 00:24:03,760 --> 00:24:06,680 Speaker 5: you hear across you know, minor league and Major League baseball, 437 00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:08,400 Speaker 5: and he really utilized. 438 00:24:08,480 --> 00:24:09,320 Speaker 4: You look at his minor. 439 00:24:09,240 --> 00:24:12,679 Speaker 5: League numbers, they were really absurd coming up through the 440 00:24:12,720 --> 00:24:15,720 Speaker 5: Padres system. When he was at Tech, he was a fastball, 441 00:24:15,800 --> 00:24:18,800 Speaker 5: slider guy. I know he's developed into a little bit 442 00:24:18,840 --> 00:24:20,600 Speaker 5: of a cutter guy now that he's gotten into the 443 00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:21,160 Speaker 5: big leagues. 444 00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:23,160 Speaker 4: But just a great guy. 445 00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:26,160 Speaker 5: And like I said, I had the opportunity to play 446 00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:29,480 Speaker 5: with him at Louisiana Tech. But happy for him and 447 00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:31,639 Speaker 5: all the success that he's had throughout his career. 448 00:24:32,280 --> 00:24:34,720 Speaker 6: And what have you seen from the Bulldogs last year? 449 00:24:34,720 --> 00:24:37,320 Speaker 6: Because last year was easily one of the best seasons 450 00:24:37,560 --> 00:24:41,119 Speaker 6: in team history, making a tournament again for back to 451 00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:43,400 Speaker 6: back years and winning the conference for the first time 452 00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:46,840 Speaker 6: since the eighties. How was that also watching it? And 453 00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:49,320 Speaker 6: also the performances from Krigger and from Caid. 454 00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:52,280 Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, you go. Like I mentioned earlier, that 455 00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:57,679 Speaker 5: Tornado in twenty nineteen, You hate to say something that 456 00:24:57,800 --> 00:25:00,159 Speaker 5: something like that would kind of lay the foundation for 457 00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:03,280 Speaker 5: where they're at right now, but in a way it did. 458 00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:06,840 Speaker 5: You guys are familiar with college athletics with the transfer portal, 459 00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:10,639 Speaker 5: and guys can so easily leave, and not one player 460 00:25:10,760 --> 00:25:14,640 Speaker 5: left off that team. The twenty twenty team was slated 461 00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:16,480 Speaker 5: to play at a high school field for its home 462 00:25:16,520 --> 00:25:17,400 Speaker 5: games all year. 463 00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:21,280 Speaker 4: Obviously, the season gets shut down due to COVID, And 464 00:25:21,359 --> 00:25:22,199 Speaker 4: you mentioned Krigger. 465 00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:25,119 Speaker 5: He was one of those guys that he signed with 466 00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:28,159 Speaker 5: Louisiana Tech knowing that they didn't have a home field. 467 00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:30,920 Speaker 5: So you know a lot of credit goes to him 468 00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:33,720 Speaker 5: for holding that commitment. And they go through that twenty 469 00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:35,720 Speaker 5: twenty season, COVID hits. 470 00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:38,760 Speaker 4: And you know that. 471 00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:40,239 Speaker 5: Kind of put a stop on I don't know if 472 00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:41,960 Speaker 5: you can necessarily say that's a good thing or a 473 00:25:42,119 --> 00:25:46,000 Speaker 5: bad thing. Obviously some guys got their eligibility frozen at 474 00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:49,600 Speaker 5: that point. But once they got the stadium rebuilt, they 475 00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:51,720 Speaker 5: opened it in twenty twenty one. It just kind of 476 00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:55,600 Speaker 5: created that wave of momentum to where we've got to today. 477 00:25:56,600 --> 00:25:58,440 Speaker 5: You know, all those guys stick around. You get the 478 00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:00,760 Speaker 5: extra year due to COVID. That paid off for them 479 00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:03,720 Speaker 5: big and twenty twenty one, when then they posted the 480 00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:06,400 Speaker 5: regional and They kind of carried that over here into 481 00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:10,720 Speaker 5: twenty twenty two with Kyle Krieger Kate Gibson, two older guys, 482 00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:13,640 Speaker 5: it was kind of their time to lead. Ryan Jennings 483 00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:16,639 Speaker 5: another right handed pitcher that was selected by the Blue Jays. 484 00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:20,840 Speaker 5: Taylor Young was a second basement selected by the Dodgers 485 00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:23,159 Speaker 5: in the eighth round, and really all those guys just 486 00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:26,439 Speaker 5: kind of rallied together and it's kind of established that 487 00:26:26,520 --> 00:26:30,840 Speaker 5: blue collar mentality that they take on that Lane Burrows 488 00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:33,640 Speaker 5: kind of heads up as the head coach, and it's 489 00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:36,640 Speaker 5: been I'll be honest, it's been really really fun to watch. 490 00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:39,520 Speaker 5: It's been impressive to watch just to kind of see 491 00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:41,520 Speaker 5: the rise of the program. And then now that we're 492 00:26:41,520 --> 00:26:45,000 Speaker 5: into the offseason, they had some former top one hundred 493 00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:47,879 Speaker 5: guys out of high school transferring in from LSU in Texas, 494 00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:49,600 Speaker 5: A and M, so you've kind of been able to 495 00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:51,480 Speaker 5: see the bump up and recruiting as well. 496 00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:54,679 Speaker 1: Yeah, we're going to get into your guys in just 497 00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:57,280 Speaker 1: a moment really quickly. I think it's we should probably 498 00:26:57,320 --> 00:26:59,399 Speaker 1: cover the number one tick that the Marlins made in 499 00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:01,480 Speaker 1: this draft class, just because he was in state. He 500 00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:03,960 Speaker 1: did play head to head against Tech this past season. 501 00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:06,600 Speaker 1: And that's Jacob Barry, who actually, as of earlier today, 502 00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:09,280 Speaker 1: he's agreed to terms with the Marlins. They're gonna play 503 00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:12,199 Speaker 1: six million bucks to bring him in. And I'm curious 504 00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:14,359 Speaker 1: about anything. It was only one year that he played 505 00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:18,560 Speaker 1: for LSU, after he transferred in from out West. If 506 00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:22,120 Speaker 1: there's anything that you saw from him, how closely did 507 00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:23,159 Speaker 1: you follow his season? 508 00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:26,960 Speaker 5: Yeah, so I actually did some radio for about a 509 00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:31,000 Speaker 5: year and a half here in Rusting. So going back 510 00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:35,920 Speaker 5: to February, LSU came up to Rusting. They'll take one 511 00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:38,520 Speaker 5: midweek around the state, you know, per year, and we 512 00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:41,320 Speaker 5: got the opportunity to interview Jay Johnson, the head coach, 513 00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:43,919 Speaker 5: down there on the day of the game. And that 514 00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:45,920 Speaker 5: was one of the questions I'd ask because we were 515 00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:49,880 Speaker 5: familiar obviously that Barry had transferred in. And he just said, 516 00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:53,000 Speaker 5: he's the purest hitter he's ever been around. And I 517 00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:55,400 Speaker 5: think you get the opportunity to see him in person, 518 00:27:56,160 --> 00:27:58,719 Speaker 5: and I don't think anything wows you physically as far 519 00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:01,399 Speaker 5: as how he's built or what he does. But he 520 00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:03,720 Speaker 5: just barrels the baseball so well. And I know a 521 00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:06,840 Speaker 5: lot of people talk about how some of the batted 522 00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:08,959 Speaker 5: ball data is not all that impressive. 523 00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:12,359 Speaker 4: But I legitimately believe you could throw him in Double 524 00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:13,040 Speaker 4: A right now. 525 00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:15,359 Speaker 5: And I mean, I would imagine if you gave him 526 00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:17,440 Speaker 5: the next two months of the minor league system, you'd 527 00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:20,000 Speaker 5: start him in Triple A the following year. I just 528 00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:22,760 Speaker 5: believe he's that good of a hitter. A lot of 529 00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:25,960 Speaker 5: questions about his defense, and I don't know. I think 530 00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:28,840 Speaker 5: there's a chance he could end up as a d H. 531 00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:31,800 Speaker 5: He's not the most overly athletic kid in the world, 532 00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:35,119 Speaker 5: which gives you some you know, gives you some hesitation. 533 00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:38,120 Speaker 5: And we got to see him. I believe he played 534 00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:40,479 Speaker 5: right field the day he was in rusting it just 535 00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:43,440 Speaker 5: he doesn't have a lot of fluid movement, I guess 536 00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:45,960 Speaker 5: when it comes to his athleticism. But I believe in 537 00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:48,320 Speaker 5: the bad I'm a huge Cubs fan myself, so I 538 00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:50,760 Speaker 5: was hoping he was getting to number seven and they 539 00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:53,360 Speaker 5: would take a chance to get him there. But I 540 00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:55,480 Speaker 5: can tell you he is one of the best hitter. 541 00:28:55,720 --> 00:28:57,840 Speaker 5: I think he's the best hitter in this college class. 542 00:28:58,280 --> 00:28:59,160 Speaker 5: And I think he's. 543 00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:01,080 Speaker 4: Gonna do nothing but at the major league level. 544 00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:05,800 Speaker 6: Yeah, and you know, the question I wanted to ask 545 00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:10,360 Speaker 6: was against LSU really had really great performances. First off, 546 00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:12,440 Speaker 6: from Cade, I'm looking out his status right now. He 547 00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:16,720 Speaker 6: had fin inning three hits, one walk, eight strikeouts. Just 548 00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:19,360 Speaker 6: what did you see from Caine and even Kyle finished 549 00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:22,200 Speaker 6: up the game against LSU when they're doing so good 550 00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:24,320 Speaker 6: against one of the top teams of college baseball. 551 00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:26,720 Speaker 5: So first I want to tell you guys a little 552 00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:29,800 Speaker 5: bit about Cage's story. It's so interesting, it's so cool. 553 00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:33,200 Speaker 5: He actually started his career at the NAI school over 554 00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:38,000 Speaker 5: in Shreeport, LSU Shreeveport, and to be honest with you, 555 00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:41,320 Speaker 5: numbers weren't great. Mid six e R's got hit around 556 00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:43,880 Speaker 5: a bunch and it's a good NAI conference, but it's 557 00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:46,480 Speaker 5: not a guy that you would, you know, create a lot. 558 00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:46,880 Speaker 4: Of buzz too. 559 00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:49,840 Speaker 5: When he transferred back to Louisiana Tech, He's from Ruston 560 00:29:50,360 --> 00:29:52,240 Speaker 5: and that was kind of his thoughts as far as 561 00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:54,680 Speaker 5: why he wanted to come back was to be the 562 00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:57,360 Speaker 5: you know, play for his hometown school. And Lane Burrows 563 00:29:57,360 --> 00:30:00,880 Speaker 5: gave him a chance to walk on the needs Tommy 564 00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:03,400 Speaker 5: John Surgery and so it's like, oh, man, like, is 565 00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:05,800 Speaker 5: he ever going to get the opportunity to play again, 566 00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:08,320 Speaker 5: and then twenty twenty one hits. 567 00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:09,160 Speaker 4: He's a guy. 568 00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:11,720 Speaker 5: You hear so much about how he performs in the fall. 569 00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:14,920 Speaker 5: First outing of the years actually down in baton Rouge 570 00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:18,040 Speaker 5: at LSU believe he gave up a grand slam in 571 00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:20,320 Speaker 5: his first inning, and you're like, oh, man, like you 572 00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:23,720 Speaker 5: know what's gonna happen. But a couple of weeks later, 573 00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:26,240 Speaker 5: number four Old miss comes to town. He goes I 574 00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:30,000 Speaker 5: believe seven innings, shuts him out at home over those 575 00:30:30,040 --> 00:30:31,000 Speaker 5: seven innings. 576 00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:32,880 Speaker 4: And you're like, all right, you know this guy's a guy. 577 00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:35,320 Speaker 5: But the one thing that sticks out about Kate Gibson 578 00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:39,240 Speaker 5: beyond what he does on the mount, he's an ultimate competitor. 579 00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:42,360 Speaker 5: Like when he takes the baseball, he's coming right at you. 580 00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:45,440 Speaker 5: He's not gonna pitch around guys. He don't care you 581 00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:48,080 Speaker 5: know what your name is, what kind of accolades you've 582 00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:50,040 Speaker 5: accomplished in your career. He's going to come at you 583 00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:53,120 Speaker 5: with a fastball, change up in curveball, and he commands 584 00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:56,720 Speaker 5: the strike zone really well. He's obviously an older kid, 585 00:30:57,400 --> 00:31:00,520 Speaker 5: havn't been in collegeably for six years, so I think 586 00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:04,560 Speaker 5: I'll be most interested to see, you know, how the 587 00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:08,560 Speaker 5: Marlins decide to use him. Being so old, I would 588 00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:10,360 Speaker 5: imagine you stick him in a bullpen and kind of 589 00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:11,240 Speaker 5: see what he can do. 590 00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:15,200 Speaker 4: And you look at this past year for Louisiana Tech. 591 00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:18,000 Speaker 5: He started out as the midweek guy, moved up to 592 00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:20,200 Speaker 5: the Sunday guy, then he was the Friday night guy 593 00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:23,360 Speaker 5: by the end of the year. But I'll tell you 594 00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:25,840 Speaker 5: the biggest thing for him on the mound, he's got 595 00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:30,120 Speaker 5: really good fastball, really good curveball, and going in on 596 00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:33,479 Speaker 5: right handers when his when his fastball is right, Uh, 597 00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:35,680 Speaker 5: that's when he's at his best, is going in on 598 00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:38,040 Speaker 5: right handers and then using that curveball to play off 599 00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:38,320 Speaker 5: of it. 600 00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:39,760 Speaker 4: Yeah. 601 00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:41,440 Speaker 3: I was just looking at one of his games. 602 00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:43,200 Speaker 6: He probably had his best game I getst the team 603 00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:47,280 Speaker 6: here in Miami against Fyu with his longest eight innings, 604 00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:50,840 Speaker 6: five strikeouts. Just what type of picture you did you 605 00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:53,240 Speaker 6: see him as? Does he can he go of these 606 00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:55,800 Speaker 6: deep inning seven eight, nine innings? 607 00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:58,000 Speaker 3: D see him like that? Or would you saw him 608 00:31:58,040 --> 00:31:58,680 Speaker 3: at LA Tech? 609 00:31:59,400 --> 00:31:59,640 Speaker 6: Yeah? 610 00:31:59,880 --> 00:32:02,440 Speaker 4: I think he's better suited as far as a multi 611 00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:03,200 Speaker 4: inning reliever. 612 00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:06,440 Speaker 5: And you know there's all these so many different things 613 00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:10,320 Speaker 5: that professional organizations can do with guys that can allow 614 00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:13,880 Speaker 5: them to get deeper into games. But there was i've 615 00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:15,840 Speaker 5: been eight or nine stars this year where he would 616 00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:18,080 Speaker 5: give you shutout baseball over the first three or four 617 00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:20,280 Speaker 5: innings of the game, that he would kind of lose 618 00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:23,040 Speaker 5: it once he hit that sixty sixty five to seventy 619 00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:27,040 Speaker 5: pitch mark. So I think he's probably better suited to 620 00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:30,960 Speaker 5: be a multi inning reliever, which would allow him to 621 00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:34,720 Speaker 5: predominantly become a fastball curveball guy, which I think. 622 00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:36,360 Speaker 4: Are is easily his two best pitches. 623 00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:41,120 Speaker 1: As you did mention a little bit older than most 624 00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:43,240 Speaker 1: of these other drafts, I think, yeah, twenty four and 625 00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:46,840 Speaker 1: a half at this point, So that's that is unusual. 626 00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:50,240 Speaker 1: But you understand why when you go through his story 627 00:32:50,280 --> 00:32:50,600 Speaker 1: for sure? 628 00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:53,480 Speaker 4: No, well yeah, oh absolutely, And I think that's the thing. 629 00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:53,560 Speaker 1: You know. 630 00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:57,480 Speaker 5: I mean, it's hard to stick a guy in single 631 00:32:57,680 --> 00:32:59,680 Speaker 5: and allow him to start knowing that you know his 632 00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:02,640 Speaker 5: clab and he's almost twenty five years old, and so 633 00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:06,160 Speaker 5: I think that would probably be the best case scenario 634 00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:06,720 Speaker 5: for him. 635 00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:09,400 Speaker 4: And you guys know how this works. 636 00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:13,240 Speaker 5: But I think that for him, multi inning bullpen guy, 637 00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:15,800 Speaker 5: and I think he'll have some success in the lower 638 00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:18,560 Speaker 5: level minor leagues just because of how seasoned he is, 639 00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:20,880 Speaker 5: and you know how much experience he has. 640 00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:23,400 Speaker 6: Yeah, and you didn't walk a lot of guys too, 641 00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:24,880 Speaker 6: But I was looking at he had close to one 642 00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:28,560 Speaker 6: hundred strikeouts less than twenty walks, So he's also really 643 00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:31,920 Speaker 6: able to just limit walks whilst maintaining high strikeouts. 644 00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:34,280 Speaker 4: No, yeah, that's just like Krigger. 645 00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:36,560 Speaker 5: Both those guys, they're coming at you and you might 646 00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:39,520 Speaker 5: hit him around the yard some days, but they're not 647 00:33:39,560 --> 00:33:41,920 Speaker 5: going to get themselves into trouble by putting guys on 648 00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:45,880 Speaker 5: base for freebies. And like I said, when he's really 649 00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:49,320 Speaker 5: rolling is the fastball inside the right handed hitters, and 650 00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:52,400 Speaker 5: he allows that big breaking ball, big twelve six curveball, 651 00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:54,760 Speaker 5: which is extremely difficult to hit. 652 00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:56,400 Speaker 4: That's when he's at his best. 653 00:33:56,440 --> 00:34:00,080 Speaker 5: And I think, you know, probably his best astribute is 654 00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:02,480 Speaker 5: just that no fear, Like I mean, he's coming at 655 00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:06,640 Speaker 5: you with that kind of bulldog mentality, which I think. 656 00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:08,880 Speaker 4: Is kind of what made him successful in college. 657 00:34:09,640 --> 00:34:10,200 Speaker 3: Well, that was. 658 00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:12,759 Speaker 1: Really a perfect breakdown of Gibson. Might as well do 659 00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:16,720 Speaker 1: the same with Krigger. These highlights from the game against 660 00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:20,399 Speaker 1: LSU at LSU on the road coming fished the final 661 00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:23,239 Speaker 1: four innings of that game, depensive extras as well. I 662 00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:26,600 Speaker 1: think piled up eight strikeouts and relieves in that game. 663 00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:30,560 Speaker 1: And he just really fascinating season. I think he may 664 00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:33,799 Speaker 1: have pitched in about as many games as anybody in 665 00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:37,960 Speaker 1: Division one this year. He made thirty seven appearances, you know, 666 00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:41,440 Speaker 1: more than one's every other game, So that that is 667 00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:45,000 Speaker 1: really that's what starts me the most, is just the 668 00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:48,160 Speaker 1: usage that he was used in all these different situations 669 00:34:48,200 --> 00:34:50,480 Speaker 1: and that they really leaned hard on him this past year. 670 00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:52,359 Speaker 4: Oh, there ain't no doubt about that. 671 00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:54,840 Speaker 5: I think Lane Burrows that's the one thing that he 672 00:34:54,920 --> 00:34:57,799 Speaker 5: talks about with Kyle Kriger's like, you know, if it's 673 00:34:57,800 --> 00:35:00,960 Speaker 5: a tight game late, he doesn't even have to look 674 00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:02,719 Speaker 5: up down to the bullpen. He knows he was getting 675 00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:04,520 Speaker 5: ready to come in the game, and he just kind 676 00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:07,560 Speaker 5: of runs to those big situations. That's kind of how 677 00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:10,640 Speaker 5: he's built. The heartbeat never gets too high. You mentioned 678 00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:14,120 Speaker 5: that LSU game down in Baton Rouge. You know, Louisiana 679 00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:17,840 Speaker 5: Tech had a late lead in that game, I believe 680 00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:19,839 Speaker 5: it was seven to six, and the twelve they get 681 00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:22,440 Speaker 5: two owns, second third with no outs and he figures 682 00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:25,200 Speaker 5: out a way to get out of and he's just 683 00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:29,279 Speaker 5: I mentioned how big of a competitor Kate Gibson is. 684 00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:32,120 Speaker 5: I could go beyond that with Kyle Krueger. I mean, 685 00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:35,879 Speaker 5: this kid wants the baseball every time the game's. 686 00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:38,279 Speaker 4: On the line. And you know, you say that, you 687 00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:41,560 Speaker 4: think reliever, you think of college closer. That he's kind 688 00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:42,480 Speaker 4: of a two pitch guy. 689 00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:44,600 Speaker 5: I think if he was twenty years old, you probably 690 00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:47,440 Speaker 5: send him out as a starter because he's got a 691 00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:50,640 Speaker 5: really good change up, really good slider. Obviously the fastball 692 00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:54,200 Speaker 5: has been up to ninety seven, but he can really 693 00:35:54,239 --> 00:35:56,840 Speaker 5: really pitch and thirty seven appearances. 694 00:35:56,840 --> 00:35:59,439 Speaker 4: He kind of got worn down later in the year. 695 00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:03,600 Speaker 5: The numbers, you know, the season totals weren't really they 696 00:36:03,640 --> 00:36:06,759 Speaker 5: don't accurately describe it. I guess you could say, uh, 697 00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:09,480 Speaker 5: he appeared five games in six days in the Conference 698 00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:13,719 Speaker 5: USA Tournament, appeared in I believe three of Louisiana Tech's 699 00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:14,600 Speaker 5: regional games. 700 00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:17,440 Speaker 4: He was just the guy that they went to with 701 00:36:17,560 --> 00:36:18,439 Speaker 4: the game on the line. 702 00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:22,560 Speaker 5: He's probably my most favorite kid that I've covered at 703 00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:26,080 Speaker 5: Louisiana Tech over the last six years. 704 00:36:27,239 --> 00:36:31,000 Speaker 6: Yeah, I just wanted to ask about Kyle just what 705 00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:33,160 Speaker 6: did you see from him? And you mentioned you high 706 00:36:33,239 --> 00:36:36,960 Speaker 6: leverage moments there against LSU conference was a tournament. 707 00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:38,880 Speaker 3: Just how did he handle pressure? 708 00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:41,840 Speaker 6: Just you know him better than us who you've probably 709 00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:44,640 Speaker 6: been around him more, and just how is it him 710 00:36:44,680 --> 00:36:46,799 Speaker 6: handling pressure and you know, be able to take the 711 00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:48,799 Speaker 6: ball and say, I'm gonna go out there and you know, 712 00:36:48,920 --> 00:36:50,959 Speaker 6: beat this ranked team or I'm gonna go off against 713 00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:51,560 Speaker 6: their best hitter. 714 00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:52,439 Speaker 1: Yeah. 715 00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:54,359 Speaker 5: You know, if you took a picture of him, if 716 00:36:54,360 --> 00:36:56,720 Speaker 5: you brought him in a game basis loaded no outs, 717 00:36:56,719 --> 00:36:59,359 Speaker 5: you'd never know if there was nobody on, nobody out 718 00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:02,359 Speaker 5: in a than nothing game. And that's just how he is, 719 00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:05,680 Speaker 5: and he lives for those moments. He's another kid, like 720 00:37:05,719 --> 00:37:08,160 Speaker 5: I said, he's been through a lot. He committed Louisiana Tech, 721 00:37:08,239 --> 00:37:11,400 Speaker 5: they didn't have a stadium, had Tommy John surgery in 722 00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:14,879 Speaker 5: the summer of twenty twenty, came back, you know, eight 723 00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:17,400 Speaker 5: or nine months, and was back into the fire in 724 00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:19,799 Speaker 5: twenty twenty one, and then you can kind of see 725 00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:23,080 Speaker 5: the stuff really tick up here. In twenty twenty two, 726 00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:26,040 Speaker 5: fastball kind of got up to ninety seven and Lane 727 00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:29,520 Speaker 5: Burrows told us a funny story. I believe it was 728 00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:31,120 Speaker 5: the night of that LSU game that we get to 729 00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:33,040 Speaker 5: talk to Jay Johnson. He said he kind of looked 730 00:37:33,040 --> 00:37:36,200 Speaker 5: around the clubhouse a week or two before the season 731 00:37:36,239 --> 00:37:38,160 Speaker 5: was starting. It was like, guys, I don't really know 732 00:37:38,200 --> 00:37:40,600 Speaker 5: who our closure is gonna be this year, and he 733 00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:44,160 Speaker 5: said not. Fifteen twenty minutes later, the pitching coach was like, hey, 734 00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:46,600 Speaker 5: you kind of pissed off Krigger and he was like, well, 735 00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:49,239 Speaker 5: that's kind of what I was intended to do. And 736 00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:51,400 Speaker 5: I think that kind of helped propel him to the 737 00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:52,239 Speaker 5: year that he had. 738 00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:55,719 Speaker 4: But he's just such a competitor. He can fill a 739 00:37:55,800 --> 00:37:56,840 Speaker 4: multitude of roles. 740 00:37:57,239 --> 00:37:59,680 Speaker 5: You know, he obviously had the nine saves he's had 741 00:37:59,719 --> 00:38:01,799 Speaker 5: out where he's gone four or five innings. 742 00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:02,440 Speaker 4: At different times. 743 00:38:03,040 --> 00:38:05,200 Speaker 5: He's that guy that you kind of look for as 744 00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:09,000 Speaker 5: an older senior sign that's gonna really he's gonna get 745 00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:11,399 Speaker 5: through single A, he's gonna get through high Yeah, he's 746 00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:13,279 Speaker 5: gonna be a guy that you kind of found out 747 00:38:13,360 --> 00:38:15,080 Speaker 5: what he's made of when he gets to double A. 748 00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:18,080 Speaker 5: But it wouldn't surprise me to kind of see him 749 00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:20,759 Speaker 5: move up, continue to move up through a system. Just 750 00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:23,880 Speaker 5: with his ability to pitch. He could really really pitch. 751 00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:27,600 Speaker 5: He's a three pitch guy that can really get after hitters. 752 00:38:28,080 --> 00:38:28,319 Speaker 4: Yeah. 753 00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:30,319 Speaker 1: I don't know if this is a popular opinion, but 754 00:38:30,360 --> 00:38:32,880 Speaker 1: there are some analysts I really trust that are curious 755 00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:35,280 Speaker 1: if he could actually be a starter in the pros 756 00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:36,840 Speaker 1: and going all the way up, because you mentioned the 757 00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:39,399 Speaker 1: three pitches he has, and I think there may even 758 00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:41,799 Speaker 1: be like a second breaking ball there that he may 759 00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:43,560 Speaker 1: have put in his back pocket when he was pitching 760 00:38:43,560 --> 00:38:45,400 Speaker 1: out of the pen that he could bring out if 761 00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:47,960 Speaker 1: he was in the starter role. I've just heard amazing 762 00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:50,600 Speaker 1: praise for the kind of stuff that he has and 763 00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:54,240 Speaker 1: how potentially you don't usually see it in that direction, 764 00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:57,520 Speaker 1: right when somebody the final year in school is only 765 00:38:57,520 --> 00:39:00,160 Speaker 1: out of the pen and they get stretched out in 766 00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:04,360 Speaker 1: the pros. But he that he really is one overall 767 00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:07,200 Speaker 1: this entire draft of the Marlins, Like, he's somebody that 768 00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:09,440 Speaker 1: has really opened my eyes when I dig into the 769 00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:11,400 Speaker 1: kind of potential that he could have in the pros. 770 00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:13,520 Speaker 5: Well, yeah, it's like I said, if he was twenty 771 00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:15,719 Speaker 5: years old, I don't think there's any doubt. I think 772 00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:17,759 Speaker 5: you send him out as a starter, and you kind 773 00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:19,400 Speaker 5: of see what he can do before you push him 774 00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:21,279 Speaker 5: into the bullpen if he proves he can't do it. 775 00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:24,080 Speaker 5: But yeah, you know, he can play off that slider 776 00:39:24,160 --> 00:39:26,879 Speaker 5: some he can shape it in different ways. And I mean, 777 00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:29,319 Speaker 5: you guys know how it is with the video these days, 778 00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:31,640 Speaker 5: with Major League teams kind of getting their mind as 779 00:39:31,640 --> 00:39:35,120 Speaker 5: far as spin rate and changing breaking balls and changing 780 00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:38,640 Speaker 5: sliders or changing change ups in fastball shape and all 781 00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:41,040 Speaker 5: that type of stuff. So h but I think he 782 00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:44,239 Speaker 5: can really be successful. I think Kate can too, if 783 00:39:44,239 --> 00:39:46,120 Speaker 5: he's used in the right way and you kind of 784 00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:48,400 Speaker 5: get put him in those right spots. And you know, 785 00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:50,799 Speaker 5: a lot of it is, you know, you a lot 786 00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:53,359 Speaker 5: of it's luck at the end of the day. But uh, 787 00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:56,080 Speaker 5: these are two guys, especially Krigger and Gifts, and they 788 00:39:56,120 --> 00:39:58,400 Speaker 5: can really really get after it on the mound. And 789 00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:00,880 Speaker 5: I think that that's probably one of the things that 790 00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:03,560 Speaker 5: attracted Major League teams to of the most, is just 791 00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:07,040 Speaker 5: how competitive they are when they get on the mound. 792 00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:08,080 Speaker 3: Yeah. 793 00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:10,640 Speaker 6: Just how was it just watching this team this year 794 00:40:10,640 --> 00:40:12,800 Speaker 6: because I was just looking up, you know, multiple guys 795 00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:16,200 Speaker 6: drafted right handed picture Ryan Jennings Win and I believe 796 00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:18,640 Speaker 6: the fourth round just how was it just watching this 797 00:40:18,680 --> 00:40:21,520 Speaker 6: pitching staff, you know, when you have multiple now guys 798 00:40:21,560 --> 00:40:23,480 Speaker 6: who are drafted going to the majors. 799 00:40:24,040 --> 00:40:27,440 Speaker 5: Yeah, and you know Jennings and Krigger and Gibson, you know, 800 00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:29,520 Speaker 5: they weren't the three guys at the beginning of the year. 801 00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:32,040 Speaker 4: Jonathan Fincher is actually a big left handed pitcher. 802 00:40:32,600 --> 00:40:35,840 Speaker 5: There was an All American a season ago that didn't 803 00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:38,040 Speaker 5: have a bad year in twenty twenty two by any means, 804 00:40:38,040 --> 00:40:39,520 Speaker 5: but he wasn't drafted. 805 00:40:39,560 --> 00:40:41,760 Speaker 4: And Jennings, you know, he was a fourth. 806 00:40:41,640 --> 00:40:43,640 Speaker 5: Rounder from the Blue Jays a lot like these guys 807 00:40:43,640 --> 00:40:44,839 Speaker 5: had faced some adversity. 808 00:40:45,640 --> 00:40:47,439 Speaker 4: Was the Saturday guy to start the year. 809 00:40:47,640 --> 00:40:51,680 Speaker 5: Struggles gets put into a bullpen, and I think that's ultimately, 810 00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:53,640 Speaker 5: you know, was a blessing for him and why he 811 00:40:53,719 --> 00:40:56,640 Speaker 5: got drafted. He goes up to ninety nine as a reliever, 812 00:40:57,600 --> 00:40:59,400 Speaker 5: you know, in the two weeks he's a reliever, and 813 00:40:59,440 --> 00:41:01,399 Speaker 5: then every time you show up to start, there's five 814 00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:04,040 Speaker 5: or six scouts in the stands, and so it kind 815 00:41:04,080 --> 00:41:06,160 Speaker 5: of defines how the program is built. Like I was 816 00:41:06,200 --> 00:41:09,279 Speaker 5: saying earlier, it's just a blue collar, get after you 817 00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:11,799 Speaker 5: type attitude. Taylor Young was picked in the eighth round 818 00:41:11,840 --> 00:41:16,200 Speaker 5: by the Dodgers. He's a five to eight second baseman, 819 00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:19,239 Speaker 5: played some short stop, won a Gold Glove as a 820 00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:22,759 Speaker 5: second baseman in collegiate baseball in twenty twenty one. They 821 00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:25,680 Speaker 5: moved him to shortstop here in twenty twenty two his 822 00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:29,759 Speaker 5: twelve home runs. It's just the program, and it kind 823 00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:32,319 Speaker 5: of it seems funny to say, but that's kind of 824 00:41:32,320 --> 00:41:33,280 Speaker 5: how it's been built. 825 00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:34,640 Speaker 4: Just a bunch of guys that. 826 00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:37,760 Speaker 5: Didn't get a whole lot of recognition out of high school. 827 00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:40,880 Speaker 5: All three or Krigger and Jennings or junior college guys 828 00:41:40,920 --> 00:41:43,919 Speaker 5: Gibson mentioned went to the NAI school and then Young 829 00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:46,240 Speaker 5: was a little five eight second basement out of high school. 830 00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:48,960 Speaker 5: So that's just kind of the mentality. They kind of 831 00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:52,080 Speaker 5: carry that around with themselves. It's just kind of being 832 00:41:52,120 --> 00:41:54,439 Speaker 5: that underdog again and kind of proven how good they're 833 00:41:54,440 --> 00:41:54,799 Speaker 5: going to be. 834 00:41:55,719 --> 00:41:57,799 Speaker 1: Well, let's get you out of here on this way 835 00:41:57,840 --> 00:42:00,279 Speaker 1: too early, a full calendar year away. But of the 836 00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:02,799 Speaker 1: guys that are still with the team that are gonna 837 00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:06,040 Speaker 1: be draft eligible next year, is there anybody that that 838 00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:08,600 Speaker 1: you have your eye on that you think as an 839 00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:11,640 Speaker 1: an opportunity to really open some eyes during the twenty 840 00:42:11,719 --> 00:42:14,080 Speaker 1: twenty three season. Heading into the draft. 841 00:42:14,320 --> 00:42:17,560 Speaker 5: I'll give you all four names. I mentioned Jonathan Fincher earlier. 842 00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:21,440 Speaker 5: I think these three pitchers getting drafted in the you know, 843 00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:23,680 Speaker 5: in the top ten rounds, it will be good motivation 844 00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:26,520 Speaker 5: for him as he closed out the summary pitch in 845 00:42:26,560 --> 00:42:30,040 Speaker 5: the Cape earlier this summer and so he got some 846 00:42:30,080 --> 00:42:32,000 Speaker 5: good experience up there, and I think that'll be good 847 00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:36,279 Speaker 5: motivation for him coming back. Also, Phil Matula is another 848 00:42:36,320 --> 00:42:38,000 Speaker 5: guy that's playing in the Cape right now. 849 00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:40,880 Speaker 4: He's an outfielder. He turned down an offer from. 850 00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:43,919 Speaker 5: The Braves last summer, came back in twenty twenty two, 851 00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:47,040 Speaker 5: didn't have as good of a year, but he's a. 852 00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:48,400 Speaker 4: Really, really good runner. 853 00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:51,160 Speaker 5: He's probably a six to eight to sixty guy, has 854 00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:54,120 Speaker 5: a lot of power as well. Played some first base 855 00:42:54,160 --> 00:42:56,320 Speaker 5: for Louisiana Tech this year, but I think ultimately his 856 00:42:56,400 --> 00:42:59,440 Speaker 5: defensive home is probably out in left field. And the 857 00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:03,480 Speaker 5: final two names probably the upper echelon guys. George Corona 858 00:43:03,560 --> 00:43:06,399 Speaker 5: is a catcher out of Miami. He was I believe 859 00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:08,399 Speaker 5: he's picked in the thirty ninth round out of high 860 00:43:08,400 --> 00:43:11,000 Speaker 5: school by the Royals. He's coming off a year he 861 00:43:11,080 --> 00:43:14,200 Speaker 5: started a little bit slower, but really came on strong 862 00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:14,839 Speaker 5: late in the year. 863 00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:15,560 Speaker 4: Hit two eighty. 864 00:43:15,560 --> 00:43:18,440 Speaker 5: I think he had sixteen home runs, had a fifty 865 00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:20,960 Speaker 5: three percent caught stealing rate. He's up in the Cape 866 00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:25,560 Speaker 5: as well right now. And then finally Cole McConnell. He's 867 00:43:25,719 --> 00:43:28,239 Speaker 5: really really fun. He's a center fielder. He's probably a 868 00:43:28,280 --> 00:43:32,080 Speaker 5: corner outfit er professionally, some of the batted ball data 869 00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:34,919 Speaker 5: wasn't as good, but he's just a really really good 870 00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:35,640 Speaker 5: pure hitter. 871 00:43:36,280 --> 00:43:38,319 Speaker 4: Hit three point thirty this year, had nine home run 872 00:43:38,440 --> 00:43:39,719 Speaker 4: seventy six RBIs. 873 00:43:40,320 --> 00:43:42,640 Speaker 5: It was actually just last week. Was named an All 874 00:43:42,640 --> 00:43:46,600 Speaker 5: Star in the Cape for this summer. So they got 875 00:43:46,640 --> 00:43:50,160 Speaker 5: some guys coming back that are obviously have a chance 876 00:43:50,200 --> 00:43:50,800 Speaker 5: to be drafted. 877 00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:52,480 Speaker 4: I mentioned a transfer from LSU. 878 00:43:52,560 --> 00:43:55,799 Speaker 5: Brody Drost was a top one hundred player coming out 879 00:43:55,800 --> 00:43:59,000 Speaker 5: of Barb High School. In twenty twenty, he'll be draft 880 00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:02,399 Speaker 5: eligible as well. So I would expect the program now 881 00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:04,759 Speaker 5: that it's kind of gotten off the ground and really 882 00:44:04,760 --> 00:44:07,480 Speaker 5: gotten rolling, they're gonna have multiple guys drafted over the 883 00:44:07,560 --> 00:44:08,760 Speaker 5: next few years. 884 00:44:10,080 --> 00:44:13,640 Speaker 1: That'd be fun. Tradition Every single year the Marlins go 885 00:44:13,719 --> 00:44:16,640 Speaker 1: back to the well with tech and get more guys here. 886 00:44:16,680 --> 00:44:17,560 Speaker 4: Hey, guys, I'll tell you. 887 00:44:17,760 --> 00:44:20,279 Speaker 5: The funny thing is, you know, I would like to 888 00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:21,799 Speaker 5: go ask some of these scouts, you know, who are 889 00:44:21,800 --> 00:44:23,799 Speaker 5: you here watching? You know, what are you checking out? 890 00:44:23,880 --> 00:44:26,200 Speaker 5: And a lot of times scouts, you know, they're gonna 891 00:44:26,200 --> 00:44:28,040 Speaker 5: tell you who they're watching. But the biggest thing that 892 00:44:28,080 --> 00:44:30,520 Speaker 5: they would tell you about the program is just kind 893 00:44:30,520 --> 00:44:34,240 Speaker 5: of the culture surrounding it and how they are able 894 00:44:34,280 --> 00:44:36,799 Speaker 5: to keep guys here, guys don't transfer out, and how 895 00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:39,400 Speaker 5: unique that is. And Parker Bates was a kid that 896 00:44:39,520 --> 00:44:41,840 Speaker 5: was picked in the ninth round last year by the Royals, 897 00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:44,359 Speaker 5: and he was a little bit similar to that as 898 00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:46,560 Speaker 5: far as they just believe in the culture. 899 00:44:46,600 --> 00:44:49,520 Speaker 4: They know the players are more mature and they're. 900 00:44:49,280 --> 00:44:51,640 Speaker 5: Not kids that you're gonna have to necessarily worry about 901 00:44:51,640 --> 00:44:56,000 Speaker 5: in their transition to professional baseball. So I'm excited to 902 00:44:56,080 --> 00:44:58,960 Speaker 5: kind of see where the program goes, to see if 903 00:44:58,960 --> 00:45:02,280 Speaker 5: they can become one of those programs they can compete 904 00:45:02,320 --> 00:45:05,080 Speaker 5: with an LSU or an Old Miss more than just 905 00:45:05,160 --> 00:45:07,879 Speaker 5: in a midweek game year and a year out. 906 00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:12,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, well, we'll be following it as closely as we can, 907 00:45:12,120 --> 00:45:14,640 Speaker 1: and a vice versa. Hopefully in just a few weeks. 908 00:45:14,680 --> 00:45:17,320 Speaker 1: Once these guys get signed, get on the mound to excite, 909 00:45:17,320 --> 00:45:20,400 Speaker 1: to get some highlights of them and with Marlin's affiliates, 910 00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:22,680 Speaker 1: and we'll send them your way here. This drives me, 911 00:45:23,360 --> 00:45:26,600 Speaker 1: This is really weird excited. Like I said, these particular picks. 912 00:45:26,600 --> 00:45:29,040 Speaker 1: With both Gibson and Krigger, we're a couple of my 913 00:45:29,080 --> 00:45:32,319 Speaker 1: favorites in this entire draft class that Marlin's made. So 914 00:45:32,680 --> 00:45:36,839 Speaker 1: with Daniel Rodriguez, I'm eli Susman Ben Carlisle of Lead 915 00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:40,600 Speaker 1: Tech Blue covering the Louisiana State Baseball program and alum 916 00:45:40,680 --> 00:45:43,360 Speaker 1: of the program himself, and seems like a proud alum 917 00:45:43,600 --> 00:45:46,800 Speaker 1: of what this program has taken off in recent years. 918 00:45:46,880 --> 00:45:48,520 Speaker 1: Thank you for joining us so much, Ben, This has 919 00:45:48,560 --> 00:45:48,919 Speaker 1: been awesome. 920 00:45:48,960 --> 00:45:49,560 Speaker 6: Thank you Ben. 921 00:45:49,880 --> 00:45:51,120 Speaker 4: Thanks guys, I appreciate it.