1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:04,280 Speaker 1: It's time to get inside the Giants Huddle on Giants 2 00:00:04,280 --> 00:00:09,760 Speaker 1: dot com the Giants of the Giants podcast network. Welcome 3 00:00:09,800 --> 00:00:12,120 Speaker 1: to the newest edition of the Giant Subtle Podcast. John 4 00:00:12,119 --> 00:00:15,560 Speaker 1: Smoke with you today from CBS, and former NFL agent 5 00:00:15,680 --> 00:00:18,200 Speaker 1: Joel Corey joins us. But first one our mind everybody 6 00:00:18,440 --> 00:00:20,119 Speaker 1: that you can find the Giant Subtle Podcast on the 7 00:00:20,160 --> 00:00:23,360 Speaker 1: Giants Podcast. Now we're presented by Investors bank at Giants 8 00:00:23,400 --> 00:00:25,720 Speaker 1: dot com, Slash podcast on the Giants mobile app. I 9 00:00:25,760 --> 00:00:28,360 Speaker 1: don't know all your favorite podcast platforms. And now we 10 00:00:28,360 --> 00:00:31,040 Speaker 1: welcome to our guests again, a former agent. His name 11 00:00:31,080 --> 00:00:34,159 Speaker 1: is Joe Corey, also a contributor over at CBS and 12 00:00:34,159 --> 00:00:36,360 Speaker 1: a brand new podcast as well. Joel, tell the folks 13 00:00:36,360 --> 00:00:39,360 Speaker 1: about it. Yeah, it's called Inside the Cap, where I 14 00:00:39,479 --> 00:00:43,760 Speaker 1: do deeper dives into NFL contracts and the salary cap. 15 00:00:44,320 --> 00:00:47,559 Speaker 1: The most recent episode was Filt Today. It goes over 16 00:00:47,600 --> 00:00:51,599 Speaker 1: the details and give some analysis of Dak Prescott's new contract, 17 00:00:51,840 --> 00:00:53,199 Speaker 1: and we will touch on that a little bit later 18 00:00:53,280 --> 00:00:54,880 Speaker 1: on in the show. It is relevant to the Giants 19 00:00:54,880 --> 00:00:57,440 Speaker 1: since it's in the division. But first, Joel, I was 20 00:00:57,480 --> 00:01:00,440 Speaker 1: worried we had scheduled this purposely right it after the 21 00:01:00,480 --> 00:01:03,120 Speaker 1: franchise deadline. Then we get the reports on Monday that 22 00:01:03,160 --> 00:01:04,800 Speaker 1: they might push it back, and I'm like, oh no, 23 00:01:04,920 --> 00:01:07,120 Speaker 1: this whole thing might get screwed up. But here we are, 24 00:01:07,360 --> 00:01:09,839 Speaker 1: which is good. Uh, the Giants didn't. They can move today. 25 00:01:09,880 --> 00:01:13,039 Speaker 1: They put the franchise tag on Leonard Williams. Your thoughts 26 00:01:13,040 --> 00:01:15,039 Speaker 1: on their decision to do that and what it means 27 00:01:15,480 --> 00:01:18,880 Speaker 1: for Williams and the Giants. I figured they would put 28 00:01:18,880 --> 00:01:21,120 Speaker 1: the second tag on him because they put the first 29 00:01:21,120 --> 00:01:24,559 Speaker 1: one on which was really a curious decision last year 30 00:01:24,760 --> 00:01:29,240 Speaker 1: given how Williams played, Uh the previous year, had a 31 00:01:29,240 --> 00:01:32,160 Speaker 1: career year, so it made a lot more sense to 32 00:01:32,240 --> 00:01:35,040 Speaker 1: put the second tag on him. The big question is 33 00:01:35,440 --> 00:01:38,240 Speaker 1: what is that value ultimately gonna be. It was the 34 00:01:38,319 --> 00:01:42,240 Speaker 1: defensive tackle tag he was given and made this year, 35 00:01:42,440 --> 00:01:45,280 Speaker 1: he found a grievance to be classified as a defensive end, 36 00:01:45,319 --> 00:01:49,560 Speaker 1: which for some reason has not been settled way. I 37 00:01:49,600 --> 00:01:51,480 Speaker 1: don't know it should have. I would think you'd want 38 00:01:51,480 --> 00:01:54,560 Speaker 1: to settle that thing before the second tag, but they're 39 00:01:54,640 --> 00:01:57,360 Speaker 1: dragging their feet on it shouldn't be that hard to 40 00:01:57,440 --> 00:02:01,960 Speaker 1: figure out. I remember when Jimmy Graham at one they 41 00:02:02,120 --> 00:02:05,400 Speaker 1: did it pretty quickly. They got the decision within weeks 42 00:02:05,600 --> 00:02:08,240 Speaker 1: of when the hearing took place. But you're talking the 43 00:02:08,280 --> 00:02:12,239 Speaker 1: difference of nineteen million, nineteen point three five million verses 44 00:02:12,280 --> 00:02:14,720 Speaker 1: twenty one point three four five million for the second 45 00:02:14,720 --> 00:02:19,320 Speaker 1: tag um. Whether he's a defensive tackle or defensive event, regardless, 46 00:02:19,760 --> 00:02:22,760 Speaker 1: he's probably gonna be looking at hey if he's a tackle. 47 00:02:23,680 --> 00:02:26,280 Speaker 1: If Hars Buttner makes twenty one million per year, Chris 48 00:02:26,360 --> 00:02:29,960 Speaker 1: Jones makes twenty max is out of love and half sacks. 49 00:02:30,080 --> 00:02:32,560 Speaker 1: Neither one of those guys had double digits. I had 50 00:02:32,600 --> 00:02:35,720 Speaker 1: sixty two quarterback pressures. You know, those guys topped me. 51 00:02:35,919 --> 00:02:40,079 Speaker 1: So Lennard Willis is probably Lily in that neighborhood. So 52 00:02:40,680 --> 00:02:42,240 Speaker 1: what do you think the odds are that they can 53 00:02:42,280 --> 00:02:45,280 Speaker 1: work out a long term deal? And really, to me, 54 00:02:45,360 --> 00:02:48,000 Speaker 1: I know the deadline is July fifteen, shold, But to me, 55 00:02:48,040 --> 00:02:51,079 Speaker 1: the more important date is March seventeenth, right, because if 56 00:02:51,080 --> 00:02:53,600 Speaker 1: you play on the tag, that's a really big salary 57 00:02:53,639 --> 00:02:55,400 Speaker 1: cap number. But if you can get him on a 58 00:02:55,400 --> 00:02:57,880 Speaker 1: long term deal, as you know, you can move things around, 59 00:02:57,880 --> 00:03:00,639 Speaker 1: then get that first year number down. Yeah, you can 60 00:03:00,680 --> 00:03:03,320 Speaker 1: have a very low first year cap number depending upon 61 00:03:03,400 --> 00:03:05,800 Speaker 1: your structure. If you do an option bonus, then you 62 00:03:05,800 --> 00:03:09,880 Speaker 1: can have to keep the second yeah year cap number 63 00:03:09,919 --> 00:03:12,160 Speaker 1: down and bo option bonus. That's basically like a second 64 00:03:12,160 --> 00:03:15,080 Speaker 1: signing bonus after the first year to exercise in the 65 00:03:15,160 --> 00:03:18,320 Speaker 1: later year in a contract and then the cap numbers balloon. 66 00:03:18,919 --> 00:03:21,920 Speaker 1: Right now that Johns can't afford, they can't fit the 67 00:03:22,000 --> 00:03:25,440 Speaker 1: tag uh of Leonard Williams um but they have till 68 00:03:25,480 --> 00:03:28,200 Speaker 1: March seventeen to get there, So get a long term 69 00:03:28,240 --> 00:03:31,600 Speaker 1: deal done before then will affect could potentially affect what 70 00:03:31,680 --> 00:03:34,800 Speaker 1: they do, whether it's cut somebody or restructure contracts. Now, 71 00:03:34,840 --> 00:03:36,920 Speaker 1: the reason obviously you're franchise and you don't want him 72 00:03:36,960 --> 00:03:39,000 Speaker 1: to hit that open market if he was on the 73 00:03:39,000 --> 00:03:42,120 Speaker 1: open market. Joel, what type of deal I know you 74 00:03:42,120 --> 00:03:45,120 Speaker 1: mentioned the Forest Buckner deal is a guide? Is that 75 00:03:45,160 --> 00:03:47,880 Speaker 1: what you're looking at? Five years, hundred millions something in 76 00:03:47,920 --> 00:03:50,720 Speaker 1: that neighborhood. Yeah, you might go forward, but yeah, you're 77 00:03:50,720 --> 00:03:54,280 Speaker 1: looking at that neighborhood. The question is I think that 78 00:03:55,160 --> 00:03:58,200 Speaker 1: the marquee players get paid in free agency regardless. Some 79 00:03:58,800 --> 00:04:01,000 Speaker 1: may have a root of waying, but for the most 80 00:04:01,000 --> 00:04:03,840 Speaker 1: part they will. But would you find a team who's 81 00:04:03,840 --> 00:04:07,560 Speaker 1: gonna look at is what Leonard Williams is because he 82 00:04:07,640 --> 00:04:09,520 Speaker 1: finds a little to that high draft pick or are 83 00:04:09,520 --> 00:04:11,880 Speaker 1: they gonna look the other years and go hey, but 84 00:04:11,960 --> 00:04:14,640 Speaker 1: now the problem that's not an issue for him. Dave 85 00:04:14,720 --> 00:04:17,479 Speaker 1: Gettleman traded for him, put a tag on last year 86 00:04:17,800 --> 00:04:21,920 Speaker 1: when that seemed like it was an outrageous price. He 87 00:04:22,000 --> 00:04:24,320 Speaker 1: lives up to the potential. Now you gotta pay the piper. 88 00:04:24,400 --> 00:04:28,880 Speaker 1: So since Gettleton gettle Gettleman is already in deep with him, 89 00:04:29,080 --> 00:04:32,800 Speaker 1: he's probably more inclined to pay Himan anybody else. And 90 00:04:32,839 --> 00:04:35,520 Speaker 1: the other defensive tackle the Giants have that's under contract, 91 00:04:35,560 --> 00:04:40,120 Speaker 1: Joel is Dalvin Tomlinson different type of defensive tackle than Williams, 92 00:04:40,680 --> 00:04:44,560 Speaker 1: but really the best and most consistent run stopping defensive 93 00:04:44,560 --> 00:04:46,839 Speaker 1: tackle probably on the market. Uh, do you agree with 94 00:04:46,880 --> 00:04:51,039 Speaker 1: that evaluation? First and foremost, Yes, that the thing is 95 00:04:51,160 --> 00:04:55,120 Speaker 1: run stoffers. Run stuffers are easily replaced than guys who 96 00:04:55,200 --> 00:04:59,160 Speaker 1: can get to the quarterback, so that's why they're more expendable. 97 00:04:59,240 --> 00:05:02,159 Speaker 1: And you had one who was the premier run stuff 98 00:05:02,200 --> 00:05:06,360 Speaker 1: for a few years ago that became expendable snacks, Damon Harrison. 99 00:05:06,560 --> 00:05:10,240 Speaker 1: So Tomlinson, I expect him to look at what Javon 100 00:05:10,400 --> 00:05:13,600 Speaker 1: Hargrave got and DJ Reader got last year. So you're 101 00:05:13,640 --> 00:05:18,080 Speaker 1: talking to thirteen million dollar premier neighborhood. You're talking um 102 00:05:18,279 --> 00:05:21,559 Speaker 1: hard Grave, You're talking maybe twenty five million, twenty seven 103 00:05:21,600 --> 00:05:24,159 Speaker 1: million and overall guarantees. So I expect him to try 104 00:05:24,160 --> 00:05:27,120 Speaker 1: to target something like that, do you expect I know 105 00:05:27,160 --> 00:05:29,640 Speaker 1: you mentioned that you think even in this unique market, 106 00:05:29,680 --> 00:05:32,000 Speaker 1: we'll get more into that the top guys will still 107 00:05:32,040 --> 00:05:36,239 Speaker 1: get paid. You do consider Tomlinson to be in that class? Yeah, 108 00:05:36,360 --> 00:05:39,120 Speaker 1: in terms of what he does is a run stuffer. Yeah, 109 00:05:39,160 --> 00:05:41,880 Speaker 1: so yeah, I consider him to be a marquee free 110 00:05:41,880 --> 00:05:43,640 Speaker 1: agent for what you asked him to do, so he 111 00:05:43,640 --> 00:05:45,680 Speaker 1: would qualify as one of those guys. So you think 112 00:05:45,720 --> 00:05:47,479 Speaker 1: he would be one of those guys that the first 113 00:05:47,520 --> 00:05:49,520 Speaker 1: couple of days, he's one of the guys that could 114 00:05:49,520 --> 00:05:52,440 Speaker 1: go off the board pretty quick. Yes, I anticipate that 115 00:05:52,480 --> 00:05:54,080 Speaker 1: he will. You saw that last year of hard Grave 116 00:05:54,160 --> 00:05:57,360 Speaker 1: and Reader. Obviously different cap environment because we weren't having 117 00:05:57,360 --> 00:06:02,040 Speaker 1: the cap potentially dropped uh twenty almost twenty million. All right, 118 00:06:02,080 --> 00:06:03,760 Speaker 1: So I guess this will be more of a broad 119 00:06:03,839 --> 00:06:05,599 Speaker 1: question then, but I think it's a good place to start. 120 00:06:05,600 --> 00:06:09,120 Speaker 1: The rest of our conversation. If you're an agent advising 121 00:06:09,320 --> 00:06:13,839 Speaker 1: one of your players heading into this unique free agent market, 122 00:06:13,839 --> 00:06:15,520 Speaker 1: and for the fans that might not keep track of 123 00:06:15,560 --> 00:06:19,080 Speaker 1: this last year, the capital million most teams playing the 124 00:06:19,160 --> 00:06:21,000 Speaker 1: years ahead, the cab this year is supposed to jump 125 00:06:21,040 --> 00:06:23,000 Speaker 1: to somewhere you and Joel he was around too, ten, right, 126 00:06:23,040 --> 00:06:25,120 Speaker 1: somewhere in the Yeah, that's that's what people were thinking. 127 00:06:25,160 --> 00:06:27,680 Speaker 1: To ten was gonna be a decent estimate. And now 128 00:06:27,720 --> 00:06:30,280 Speaker 1: you're going in reverse potentially thirty million, right, So it's 129 00:06:30,279 --> 00:06:32,960 Speaker 1: gonna land somewhere between one and that the same thing 130 00:06:32,960 --> 00:06:35,080 Speaker 1: you're hearing somewhere in that area. So you're looking at 131 00:06:35,000 --> 00:06:39,480 Speaker 1: about a five to thirty million dollar different. So if 132 00:06:39,600 --> 00:06:42,400 Speaker 1: you're advising a player heading into this type of market, 133 00:06:42,680 --> 00:06:45,279 Speaker 1: what are you telling them? The first thing is you 134 00:06:45,400 --> 00:06:48,760 Speaker 1: have to tell a client what he needs to hear 135 00:06:49,000 --> 00:06:51,479 Speaker 1: is opposed to what he wants to hear, or you're 136 00:06:51,480 --> 00:06:55,680 Speaker 1: doing a guy disservice. Sometimes agents don't do that, and 137 00:06:55,800 --> 00:06:58,279 Speaker 1: part of the reason is they may not feel confident 138 00:06:58,360 --> 00:07:01,280 Speaker 1: enough to relationship. They may think somebody else is in 139 00:07:01,440 --> 00:07:05,719 Speaker 1: their ear trying to steal them away, so they're afraid 140 00:07:05,839 --> 00:07:09,440 Speaker 1: to do that. And and be candid. You need to 141 00:07:09,480 --> 00:07:12,640 Speaker 1: be candid with the guy and set your expectations to 142 00:07:12,680 --> 00:07:16,800 Speaker 1: be realistic, particularly this year, because it's going to be 143 00:07:16,880 --> 00:07:20,600 Speaker 1: a buyer's market. Supply is going to greatly exceed demand. 144 00:07:21,080 --> 00:07:23,560 Speaker 1: You've started to see it. You're gonna see more players 145 00:07:23,560 --> 00:07:26,360 Speaker 1: over the next few days getting cut. There's gonna be 146 00:07:26,400 --> 00:07:29,480 Speaker 1: a glut of players available. So if you're not in 147 00:07:29,520 --> 00:07:32,640 Speaker 1: the first wave a top guy, then you could be 148 00:07:32,680 --> 00:07:35,160 Speaker 1: in for a route awakening. If your team asked you 149 00:07:35,160 --> 00:07:38,120 Speaker 1: to take a pay cut, you need the agent needs 150 00:07:38,120 --> 00:07:40,520 Speaker 1: to give an honest assessment to the player, and nobody 151 00:07:40,520 --> 00:07:42,480 Speaker 1: wants to take a pay cut as long so it's 152 00:07:42,520 --> 00:07:45,360 Speaker 1: reasonable and you have an opportunity to make some, if 153 00:07:45,400 --> 00:07:48,160 Speaker 1: not all, the money back you're giving up through not 154 00:07:48,320 --> 00:07:51,320 Speaker 1: likely burned incentives, then maybe you're better off stay and 155 00:07:51,360 --> 00:07:54,040 Speaker 1: put this year. This is particularly you. The grass may 156 00:07:54,040 --> 00:07:57,120 Speaker 1: not be greener on the other side. And it's funny 157 00:07:57,120 --> 00:07:59,280 Speaker 1: you brought me right to my next question because there 158 00:07:59,280 --> 00:08:02,160 Speaker 1: are some reports out there about how the Giants might 159 00:08:02,160 --> 00:08:04,720 Speaker 1: try to free up some more cap space. So this 160 00:08:04,840 --> 00:08:08,120 Speaker 1: is an environment where you think players might be more amenable. 161 00:08:08,160 --> 00:08:10,760 Speaker 1: You mentioned a pay cut. I'll use the term restructure. 162 00:08:10,760 --> 00:08:12,960 Speaker 1: There are two different things, but this is a year 163 00:08:13,000 --> 00:08:16,520 Speaker 1: where you think players might be more willing to restructure 164 00:08:16,600 --> 00:08:19,760 Speaker 1: simply because if they do get let go, even under 165 00:08:19,960 --> 00:08:22,440 Speaker 1: the terms of a restructure, you might be making less 166 00:08:22,480 --> 00:08:24,400 Speaker 1: on the Frasian market then you would make from the 167 00:08:24,440 --> 00:08:27,280 Speaker 1: team you're currently on. Oh, no doubt about that. That's 168 00:08:27,280 --> 00:08:29,280 Speaker 1: what you have. The calculus has to be and what 169 00:08:29,400 --> 00:08:32,720 Speaker 1: a savvy agent is going to do, and it's something 170 00:08:32,800 --> 00:08:35,960 Speaker 1: we did years ago with John randall Um Minnesota wanted 171 00:08:36,000 --> 00:08:38,679 Speaker 1: him to take a pay cut, so you have hypothetical 172 00:08:38,760 --> 00:08:42,640 Speaker 1: conversations with teams about him being available in what the 173 00:08:42,760 --> 00:08:46,840 Speaker 1: range might be if he should hit the open market. Now, 174 00:08:46,920 --> 00:08:49,760 Speaker 1: when we found out that the Seattle Seahawks who are 175 00:08:49,800 --> 00:08:52,319 Speaker 1: willing to make him whole, it was a very easy 176 00:08:52,360 --> 00:08:56,480 Speaker 1: decision since John was indifferent about staying or going, because 177 00:08:56,679 --> 00:08:59,760 Speaker 1: players get offended about a pay cut, particularly if you've 178 00:08:59,760 --> 00:09:03,560 Speaker 1: been a marquee player, more so than someone who's been 179 00:09:03,840 --> 00:09:07,400 Speaker 1: a fringe player or has been a marginal starter. So 180 00:09:07,600 --> 00:09:09,840 Speaker 1: it was very easy for him to go to Seattle, 181 00:09:09,920 --> 00:09:13,400 Speaker 1: which was almost instantaneous from getting released. So the savvy 182 00:09:13,480 --> 00:09:15,839 Speaker 1: agent is gonna be out there servying the lay of 183 00:09:15,880 --> 00:09:18,920 Speaker 1: the land. If you get negative information where it's like, well, 184 00:09:18,960 --> 00:09:21,840 Speaker 1: you're looking at league minimum or you're making five million, 185 00:09:22,080 --> 00:09:24,280 Speaker 1: your can't find anyone wants to pay you more than 186 00:09:24,280 --> 00:09:26,679 Speaker 1: two and the pay cut is the two and a half. 187 00:09:26,760 --> 00:09:29,400 Speaker 1: Take the pay cut. Now for a guy that's on 188 00:09:29,440 --> 00:09:32,280 Speaker 1: the last year of a contract, right when you're looking 189 00:09:32,320 --> 00:09:34,280 Speaker 1: at a restructure for that, obviously you could just tay 190 00:09:34,320 --> 00:09:35,559 Speaker 1: go one of your pay cut. That's one way to 191 00:09:35,600 --> 00:09:37,120 Speaker 1: do it. The other way to do it right is 192 00:09:37,160 --> 00:09:39,520 Speaker 1: to add extra years. So the restructure almost becomes like 193 00:09:39,520 --> 00:09:42,000 Speaker 1: an extension. How does that work for for the player 194 00:09:42,000 --> 00:09:44,840 Speaker 1: and the team financially? H to help the team this year, 195 00:09:44,880 --> 00:09:46,720 Speaker 1: but maybe then benefit the player a couple of years 196 00:09:46,720 --> 00:09:49,719 Speaker 1: down the road as the cap tends to expand and 197 00:09:49,800 --> 00:09:51,880 Speaker 1: obviously teams all have more money to spend. Well, we 198 00:09:51,920 --> 00:09:56,439 Speaker 1: saw a hybrid one of those pay cut restructure. We've 199 00:09:56,480 --> 00:09:59,760 Speaker 1: been Roethlisberger who was in the last year of a contract. Um, 200 00:09:59,800 --> 00:10:02,400 Speaker 1: he took a four million dollar pay cut. Pittsburgh did 201 00:10:02,440 --> 00:10:05,880 Speaker 1: something uncharacteristic, actually five million dollar pay cut. They did 202 00:10:05,920 --> 00:10:09,360 Speaker 1: something uncharacteristic, which is they never ad voiding dummy years 203 00:10:09,640 --> 00:10:12,400 Speaker 1: to a contract. You can pro rade a signing bonus 204 00:10:12,400 --> 00:10:15,320 Speaker 1: over five years, and that includes the voiding dummy years. 205 00:10:15,360 --> 00:10:18,680 Speaker 1: So he was one founding of his contract. They converted 206 00:10:18,720 --> 00:10:22,720 Speaker 1: everything but his minimum base salary in the signing bonus, 207 00:10:22,760 --> 00:10:25,760 Speaker 1: stretched that out over five years. So they're gonna have 208 00:10:25,920 --> 00:10:30,120 Speaker 1: I think roughly fifteen million dollars. No, no no, it's gonna 209 00:10:30,120 --> 00:10:32,360 Speaker 1: be like eleven million dollars and dead money next year 210 00:10:32,920 --> 00:10:35,600 Speaker 1: from doing that. So that that's one way to manipulate 211 00:10:35,640 --> 00:10:38,320 Speaker 1: the cap. You're gonna see teams do this year that 212 00:10:39,160 --> 00:10:41,640 Speaker 1: they may not have been wanting to do or think 213 00:10:41,640 --> 00:10:43,320 Speaker 1: they had to do in the past. One thing you 214 00:10:43,360 --> 00:10:45,720 Speaker 1: may see if one year deals that they could be 215 00:10:45,800 --> 00:10:49,160 Speaker 1: a three year deal. Masquerading is a one year deal 216 00:10:49,240 --> 00:10:52,200 Speaker 1: because you got the two voiding dummy years. That way 217 00:10:52,280 --> 00:10:54,160 Speaker 1: you can take a signing bonus and pro rade it 218 00:10:54,200 --> 00:10:57,520 Speaker 1: over more years. We saw Lavante David today signed a 219 00:10:57,600 --> 00:11:01,880 Speaker 1: deal where he's got a CAP number. Campa Bay typically 220 00:11:02,320 --> 00:11:05,440 Speaker 1: does page you go contracts, cap and cast stay the 221 00:11:05,480 --> 00:11:08,040 Speaker 1: same each year, so they don't give signing bonuses. 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Remember F D 239 00:11:55,000 --> 00:11:57,400 Speaker 1: I C So Joel I guess to wrap up the 240 00:11:57,440 --> 00:12:00,440 Speaker 1: Giant side of this, then do you see away where 241 00:12:00,480 --> 00:12:05,680 Speaker 1: they can retain both Tomlinson and Williams. And this is 242 00:12:05,920 --> 00:12:09,040 Speaker 1: part A of the question. If Williams is on the 243 00:12:09,080 --> 00:12:12,679 Speaker 1: tag SMS is on the tag, that gets very difficult. 244 00:12:13,120 --> 00:12:14,959 Speaker 1: Um If Williams is not on the tag, it becomes 245 00:12:15,000 --> 00:12:16,800 Speaker 1: a lot easier because that was part of the question. 246 00:12:17,520 --> 00:12:21,000 Speaker 1: He's gonna have presumable he's gonna have a low cap number, 247 00:12:21,080 --> 00:12:23,720 Speaker 1: then you could probably accommodate both. Then becomes more of 248 00:12:23,720 --> 00:12:27,280 Speaker 1: a cash issue than a cap issue. And I guess too, 249 00:12:27,640 --> 00:12:30,520 Speaker 1: when you're looking at too into your defensive lineman. When 250 00:12:30,520 --> 00:12:33,920 Speaker 1: it comes to cap building and roster building, how do 251 00:12:34,040 --> 00:12:36,920 Speaker 1: you view that as you see teams kind of structure 252 00:12:36,960 --> 00:12:40,559 Speaker 1: their salary cap throughout the league, you know, spending that 253 00:12:40,600 --> 00:12:43,520 Speaker 1: amount of capital on two guys that technically I know 254 00:12:43,600 --> 00:12:45,400 Speaker 1: that they play the same position, but they're very different 255 00:12:45,400 --> 00:12:50,280 Speaker 1: types of players. Well, typically the hierarchy goes the first 256 00:12:50,280 --> 00:12:52,080 Speaker 1: and this is something I figured out early on when 257 00:12:52,120 --> 00:12:54,240 Speaker 1: I got in the industry. First guy, you pays a quarterback. 258 00:12:54,679 --> 00:12:57,160 Speaker 1: Same guy you pays the guy chase his quarterback. Third guy, 259 00:12:57,200 --> 00:12:59,440 Speaker 1: you pays the guy who stops the guy chasing the quarterback. 260 00:12:59,720 --> 00:13:04,959 Speaker 1: So it goes quarterback, pass rusher, left tackle. That's typically 261 00:13:05,040 --> 00:13:08,520 Speaker 1: the hierarchy. Run stuffers usually are lower on the totem pole. 262 00:13:08,600 --> 00:13:12,960 Speaker 1: I put Williams is more of a a more complete 263 00:13:12,960 --> 00:13:15,760 Speaker 1: guy because he can't anchor the run. But has pass 264 00:13:15,840 --> 00:13:19,360 Speaker 1: rushing ability, So those guys are more likely get paid 265 00:13:19,360 --> 00:13:21,400 Speaker 1: a premium as well, because you rush the pass or 266 00:13:21,440 --> 00:13:23,440 Speaker 1: you get paid a premium. No matter whether you pay 267 00:13:23,440 --> 00:13:26,840 Speaker 1: play inside, you play outside your three or four outside 268 00:13:26,840 --> 00:13:30,079 Speaker 1: lineback or four three defensive, then you get to the quarterback, 269 00:13:30,640 --> 00:13:33,000 Speaker 1: they're gonna pay you. So you do think if they 270 00:13:33,040 --> 00:13:35,320 Speaker 1: do manage to get Williams into a long term deal 271 00:13:35,360 --> 00:13:38,600 Speaker 1: before the seventeenth of March, that there would be potentially 272 00:13:38,640 --> 00:13:40,480 Speaker 1: a way to keep both guys on board. Then Yeah, 273 00:13:40,480 --> 00:13:42,240 Speaker 1: potentially you could. It's just a question of whether you 274 00:13:42,280 --> 00:13:44,280 Speaker 1: want to allocate that much money to the interior the 275 00:13:44,320 --> 00:13:47,280 Speaker 1: defensive line. It's not something the teams will typically do, 276 00:13:48,960 --> 00:13:51,199 Speaker 1: but you try to retain your best players, so your 277 00:13:51,200 --> 00:13:53,679 Speaker 1: best players having to play those positions, that may be 278 00:13:53,720 --> 00:13:55,439 Speaker 1: a different story. If you draft guys and they hit 279 00:13:55,480 --> 00:13:57,439 Speaker 1: and that's where they are, then you you're more likely 280 00:13:57,400 --> 00:13:58,880 Speaker 1: to try to pay them. Yeah, and then you have 281 00:13:58,920 --> 00:14:00,920 Speaker 1: Dexter Lawrence coming down. The two is the first round 282 00:14:00,960 --> 00:14:02,439 Speaker 1: to pick a couple of years ago, So then that's 283 00:14:02,440 --> 00:14:05,559 Speaker 1: something else I guess you would have to take into consideration. Um, 284 00:14:05,640 --> 00:14:07,680 Speaker 1: let's kind of go down to the list here of 285 00:14:07,679 --> 00:14:09,920 Speaker 1: Giants need Joel on. The one spot where they are 286 00:14:09,960 --> 00:14:12,880 Speaker 1: looking for some improvement is edge rusher. They had a 287 00:14:12,920 --> 00:14:15,040 Speaker 1: revolving door at that position last year. Two of the 288 00:14:15,080 --> 00:14:17,840 Speaker 1: young guys got hurt Lorenzo Carter Ocean's him as and 289 00:14:17,920 --> 00:14:20,880 Speaker 1: it's a pretty deep edge rusher class when you look 290 00:14:20,920 --> 00:14:24,440 Speaker 1: at it. There weren't that many franchise tags at that position. 291 00:14:25,040 --> 00:14:27,360 Speaker 1: How do you view this class? How many of these 292 00:14:27,400 --> 00:14:30,680 Speaker 1: guys are going to to get a chair in that 293 00:14:30,800 --> 00:14:33,680 Speaker 1: first round? And maybe who could be left standing? That 294 00:14:33,800 --> 00:14:36,640 Speaker 1: might be, you know, settling for that one year proven 295 00:14:36,680 --> 00:14:40,240 Speaker 1: deal so they can try again in two. I expect 296 00:14:40,320 --> 00:14:42,920 Speaker 1: Shack Barrett to get paid. Shakill Barrett, he's not getting 297 00:14:42,920 --> 00:14:46,040 Speaker 1: fred he wasn't franchise Chris Godwin was. He'll get paid. 298 00:14:46,720 --> 00:14:52,000 Speaker 1: I anticipate Matthew Judon getting paid. Jaken Gockway, this is 299 00:14:52,040 --> 00:14:55,320 Speaker 1: a tough year for him. Wasn't all that effective in Minnesota. 300 00:14:55,480 --> 00:14:57,840 Speaker 1: After the trade they trade him to Baltimore and then 301 00:14:57,920 --> 00:15:00,240 Speaker 1: the playoffs they hardly played him. Maybe was a good 302 00:15:00,280 --> 00:15:03,800 Speaker 1: scheme fit. Maybe things don't go well for him. A 303 00:15:03,960 --> 00:15:07,080 Speaker 1: name which he might cringe about, that could be a 304 00:15:07,520 --> 00:15:15,080 Speaker 1: bargain guy for former first overall pick Daveon Clowney. That's 305 00:15:15,120 --> 00:15:19,440 Speaker 1: probably a one year proven type of situation. Again, when 306 00:15:19,520 --> 00:15:22,720 Speaker 1: he is playing, when he is at his best, he 307 00:15:23,040 --> 00:15:26,760 Speaker 1: is dominant, but he disappears too much and is injured 308 00:15:26,800 --> 00:15:29,720 Speaker 1: too much. So let the buyer be wear a guy. 309 00:15:29,920 --> 00:15:33,640 Speaker 1: Which is interesting to me. Trey Hendrickson literally did nothing 310 00:15:33,760 --> 00:15:36,520 Speaker 1: for three years, didn't do enough to earn the escalator 311 00:15:37,200 --> 00:15:40,360 Speaker 1: for his increase his fourth year salary. He played that 312 00:15:40,560 --> 00:15:44,200 Speaker 1: little then I think he was tied for second or 313 00:15:44,280 --> 00:15:46,960 Speaker 1: second the league in sacks. You don't expect him. That's 314 00:15:47,000 --> 00:15:50,320 Speaker 1: a buyer beware guy, because who's the real Trey Hendrickson 315 00:15:50,400 --> 00:15:54,480 Speaker 1: what we saw in or before another guy you might 316 00:15:54,560 --> 00:15:57,960 Speaker 1: be able to get on the chief Bud Duprie towards 317 00:15:58,040 --> 00:16:01,840 Speaker 1: a c L was having a career year. People don't 318 00:16:01,920 --> 00:16:05,520 Speaker 1: penalize injuries as much as they used to. Maybe in 319 00:16:05,600 --> 00:16:08,320 Speaker 1: this cap environment it reverted back to how it was 320 00:16:08,400 --> 00:16:10,320 Speaker 1: in the past. But maybe he's doing a one year 321 00:16:10,400 --> 00:16:13,680 Speaker 1: proven deal. How about has someone reddick. He was kind 322 00:16:13,720 --> 00:16:16,280 Speaker 1: of struggling Joel to find a place his first few 323 00:16:16,360 --> 00:16:18,640 Speaker 1: years in the league. He finally came out of his 324 00:16:18,680 --> 00:16:21,080 Speaker 1: show a little bit in Arizona last year. He was 325 00:16:21,120 --> 00:16:22,560 Speaker 1: held by the fact that all those sacks in that 326 00:16:22,600 --> 00:16:25,280 Speaker 1: game against the Giants late in the year. How about him? 327 00:16:25,280 --> 00:16:27,000 Speaker 1: Do you think he's a guy that that that will 328 00:16:27,320 --> 00:16:29,360 Speaker 1: land a long term deal or is he a guy 329 00:16:29,440 --> 00:16:31,400 Speaker 1: that teams will say, all right, we need to see 330 00:16:31,400 --> 00:16:33,600 Speaker 1: a little bit more before willing to commit to you 331 00:16:33,720 --> 00:16:36,160 Speaker 1: long term. I think they're gonna be a little bit leary. Well, 332 00:16:36,400 --> 00:16:38,320 Speaker 1: one thing is you have to make sure that he's 333 00:16:38,360 --> 00:16:41,280 Speaker 1: going forward and not going in reverse, because he when 334 00:16:41,320 --> 00:16:44,200 Speaker 1: they tried to make him a a regular linebacker, that 335 00:16:44,280 --> 00:16:46,800 Speaker 1: didn't work. Once Chandler Jones got hurt, he started rushing 336 00:16:46,840 --> 00:16:50,560 Speaker 1: to pass her. Then he looked like a legitimate, uh 337 00:16:51,200 --> 00:16:56,440 Speaker 1: potential star. Now I wouldn't pay him yet because I 338 00:16:56,520 --> 00:16:59,800 Speaker 1: haven't seen enough. In One thing that I did notice 339 00:17:00,000 --> 00:17:02,400 Speaker 1: when I was an agent, you do well against the 340 00:17:02,480 --> 00:17:05,920 Speaker 1: particular team, they may be one of your biggest suitors. 341 00:17:06,000 --> 00:17:07,919 Speaker 1: The reason why I say that is used to represent 342 00:17:08,000 --> 00:17:11,280 Speaker 1: this corner that played in division Eric Allen and Eric 343 00:17:11,359 --> 00:17:14,480 Speaker 1: Allen had a knack for picking off passes against the 344 00:17:14,560 --> 00:17:17,680 Speaker 1: Saints and return them for touchdowns. So I think he 345 00:17:18,280 --> 00:17:23,680 Speaker 1: picked off at three touchdown interception returns for touchdowns in 346 00:17:23,760 --> 00:17:28,920 Speaker 1: a two year period against the Saints. I think it 347 00:17:29,000 --> 00:17:33,680 Speaker 1: might have been Steve Walks. But the thing is, when 348 00:17:33,720 --> 00:17:36,119 Speaker 1: he was a free agent, where does he sign New 349 00:17:36,240 --> 00:17:39,560 Speaker 1: Orleans Saints. So maybe the Johns for that impressed for 350 00:17:39,680 --> 00:17:43,000 Speaker 1: Reddick because he had a great odd potential, great audition 351 00:17:43,080 --> 00:17:45,680 Speaker 1: for them. But yeah, I wouldn't commit big money to 352 00:17:45,800 --> 00:17:48,280 Speaker 1: him long term, yet I'd make him do it again. 353 00:17:48,680 --> 00:17:52,680 Speaker 1: I kind of like the um temporary Buccaneers stuck a 354 00:17:52,760 --> 00:17:55,680 Speaker 1: franchise tag on Shaq Barrett to make him do it again. 355 00:17:55,760 --> 00:17:58,040 Speaker 1: He didn't have nineteen and a half sacks again, but 356 00:17:58,160 --> 00:18:02,560 Speaker 1: he still had consistent quarterback pressure and had four sacks 357 00:18:02,600 --> 00:18:05,159 Speaker 1: in the playoffs. So you prove, I think Reddick may 358 00:18:05,240 --> 00:18:07,400 Speaker 1: have to prove that it wasn't a fluke. Two other 359 00:18:07,480 --> 00:18:10,800 Speaker 1: guys in that class that I think are interesting Leonard Floyd, 360 00:18:10,880 --> 00:18:13,200 Speaker 1: who had his best sack here. Of course, he was 361 00:18:13,240 --> 00:18:15,399 Speaker 1: next to Aaron Donald. Now I'm not sure if it's 362 00:18:15,440 --> 00:18:17,800 Speaker 1: a coincidence two straight years you would two guys have 363 00:18:17,920 --> 00:18:19,720 Speaker 1: career sack years next to Aaron Donald. That might not. 364 00:18:19,800 --> 00:18:21,760 Speaker 1: He was just thinking that. I was just thinking that, 365 00:18:21,880 --> 00:18:23,960 Speaker 1: So that may be a problem because he wasn't He 366 00:18:24,080 --> 00:18:26,520 Speaker 1: was much better than he was with the Bears. That's 367 00:18:26,520 --> 00:18:30,640 Speaker 1: another guy I would hesitate to pay. Dante Fowler did 368 00:18:30,720 --> 00:18:33,600 Speaker 1: that and then went to the Falcons and they were 369 00:18:33,640 --> 00:18:36,600 Speaker 1: openly critical about his inability to get to the quarterback. 370 00:18:36,680 --> 00:18:38,600 Speaker 1: At least the old regime was late in the year, 371 00:18:38,720 --> 00:18:42,160 Speaker 1: So he may be someone that you who doesn't get 372 00:18:42,280 --> 00:18:44,879 Speaker 1: that huge payday as well. And then how about Karl Lawson. 373 00:18:45,280 --> 00:18:48,160 Speaker 1: You know, he's a guy whose numbers really haven't been 374 00:18:48,320 --> 00:18:50,959 Speaker 1: super impressive since he got into the league. I remember 375 00:18:51,000 --> 00:18:53,080 Speaker 1: prepping for the Giants he played the Bengals last year 376 00:18:53,359 --> 00:18:55,679 Speaker 1: and I really thought he was impressive as a pass rusher. 377 00:18:56,080 --> 00:18:57,760 Speaker 1: Is he a guy that maybe could get a multi 378 00:18:57,840 --> 00:18:59,800 Speaker 1: year deal, but maybe it's gonna be more in that, 379 00:19:00,160 --> 00:19:02,440 Speaker 1: you know, mid market area rather than top of the market. 380 00:19:03,040 --> 00:19:05,120 Speaker 1: He might be more of a Dante Fowler type guy. 381 00:19:05,160 --> 00:19:07,600 Speaker 1: I think he ends up staying put. If Cincinnati likes you, 382 00:19:08,080 --> 00:19:09,920 Speaker 1: they don't let you leave, even if they let you 383 00:19:10,000 --> 00:19:13,600 Speaker 1: test the market, and they I think they traded Carlos 384 00:19:13,680 --> 00:19:16,879 Speaker 1: Dunlap for a reason, um to make way for loss, 385 00:19:16,920 --> 00:19:19,760 Speaker 1: and so I think maybe he stays put. Questions is 386 00:19:19,880 --> 00:19:22,800 Speaker 1: John started looking at older pass rushers as well, because 387 00:19:23,240 --> 00:19:27,080 Speaker 1: those guys if you're in your early thirties. We know 388 00:19:27,359 --> 00:19:30,680 Speaker 1: that that market is kind of capped now by J. J. Watt. 389 00:19:31,320 --> 00:19:34,240 Speaker 1: He signed a two year deal for twenty eight millions, 390 00:19:34,280 --> 00:19:36,600 Speaker 1: the base value up to thirty one million. You've got 391 00:19:36,680 --> 00:19:40,240 Speaker 1: some guys who have been accomplished names did still have 392 00:19:40,440 --> 00:19:44,000 Speaker 1: some ability, like a justin Houston. Melvin Ingram was hurt 393 00:19:44,119 --> 00:19:46,159 Speaker 1: last year, So maybe you look at at one of 394 00:19:46,200 --> 00:19:49,120 Speaker 1: those types of guys. Let's stick on the defensive side 395 00:19:49,119 --> 00:19:51,159 Speaker 1: of the ball, Joel and it seems to me that 396 00:19:51,840 --> 00:19:54,720 Speaker 1: the Giants could use the second quarterback outside quarterback across 397 00:19:54,720 --> 00:19:57,400 Speaker 1: from Bradbury. But looking at the market, and this does 398 00:19:57,440 --> 00:20:00,240 Speaker 1: not seem to be a quarterback class that's very deep. 399 00:20:00,280 --> 00:20:02,760 Speaker 1: You guy, you know, uh William Jackson the top, but 400 00:20:02,840 --> 00:20:04,159 Speaker 1: he's a guy that you know, like you said, if 401 00:20:04,160 --> 00:20:05,720 Speaker 1: since then he likes you, they're not gonna let him leave. 402 00:20:06,000 --> 00:20:08,600 Speaker 1: Richard Sherman's on the older side. Do you think of 403 00:20:08,680 --> 00:20:10,359 Speaker 1: some of these cornerbacks might get cut loose in the 404 00:20:10,440 --> 00:20:12,920 Speaker 1: next week to fatten that market a little bit. What 405 00:20:13,040 --> 00:20:14,720 Speaker 1: are the Giants looking at if they're trying to find 406 00:20:14,720 --> 00:20:20,199 Speaker 1: another outside corner the draft. This is not the assist 407 00:20:20,280 --> 00:20:23,679 Speaker 1: a week year for corners. YAsO had Patrick Peterson who's 408 00:20:23,720 --> 00:20:26,600 Speaker 1: been great, but past year and a half or so 409 00:20:26,760 --> 00:20:30,280 Speaker 1: it hasn't been the shutdown Patrick Peterson we've seen in 410 00:20:30,359 --> 00:20:33,680 Speaker 1: the past. Sherman's thirty three years old and was injured. 411 00:20:34,040 --> 00:20:38,280 Speaker 1: A guy that intrigues me who hadn't been healthy but 412 00:20:38,960 --> 00:20:42,760 Speaker 1: did play most of the year. Finally, Jason Verrett. He's 413 00:20:42,880 --> 00:20:46,680 Speaker 1: thirty when the earliest career was a pro bowler, then 414 00:20:46,800 --> 00:20:51,119 Speaker 1: had injuries for a couple of years, three years barely played. 415 00:20:51,760 --> 00:20:56,119 Speaker 1: When he's healthy, he's very good. I would not commit 416 00:20:56,240 --> 00:20:58,040 Speaker 1: big money to him, but he may be a guy 417 00:20:58,119 --> 00:21:01,359 Speaker 1: to take a flyer on a Giant Fans Limited Gizing 418 00:21:01,440 --> 00:21:03,920 Speaker 1: season tickets are on sale now for the one season. 419 00:21:03,920 --> 00:21:06,600 Speaker 1: In addition the ticket savings, membership benefits include access to 420 00:21:06,680 --> 00:21:09,520 Speaker 1: exclusive events, experiences, pre sales, and more. You can lock 421 00:21:09,600 --> 00:21:11,480 Speaker 1: in your seat starting at just one hundred bucks called 422 00:21:12,320 --> 00:21:15,680 Speaker 1: n Y Give visit giants dot com slash tickets for 423 00:21:15,800 --> 00:21:19,160 Speaker 1: more information. I think with the tags that age old, 424 00:21:19,160 --> 00:21:21,600 Speaker 1: the thing that surprised me most is that Kenny Golladay 425 00:21:21,720 --> 00:21:24,240 Speaker 1: was not on that list. I figured a team like 426 00:21:24,359 --> 00:21:26,440 Speaker 1: the Lines would at least look since they're in such 427 00:21:26,480 --> 00:21:29,120 Speaker 1: a rebuild, and that's basically from the mouth of their 428 00:21:29,160 --> 00:21:31,480 Speaker 1: general manager that they would at least try to tag 429 00:21:31,560 --> 00:21:33,720 Speaker 1: and trade them and try to get something back for him. 430 00:21:33,760 --> 00:21:37,480 Speaker 1: But he's sitting there, and with both Godwin getting tagged 431 00:21:37,480 --> 00:21:40,400 Speaker 1: and aw and Robinson getting tagged, I imagine golladays licking 432 00:21:40,440 --> 00:21:43,399 Speaker 1: his chops here to hit free agency. No, yes, he 433 00:21:43,480 --> 00:21:45,920 Speaker 1: should be, because those three guys are considered the top 434 00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:49,320 Speaker 1: wide receivers. Two of them aren't on the market he is. 435 00:21:49,720 --> 00:21:51,240 Speaker 1: There are a couple of teams with a ton of 436 00:21:51,320 --> 00:21:54,400 Speaker 1: cap room that need a receiver. The Jets, for one 437 00:21:54,800 --> 00:21:58,959 Speaker 1: Washington football team last year made a run at Amari Cooper, 438 00:21:59,119 --> 00:22:02,639 Speaker 1: so they're probably into upgrade that Jacksonville Jaguars or another 439 00:22:02,720 --> 00:22:05,119 Speaker 1: team which I I pegged as a potential spot for 440 00:22:05,200 --> 00:22:09,040 Speaker 1: Allen Robinson since he left there seems to have an 441 00:22:09,080 --> 00:22:13,320 Speaker 1: affinity for them, and I would want to finally play 442 00:22:13,440 --> 00:22:16,239 Speaker 1: for what could be a good quarterback because he's been 443 00:22:16,280 --> 00:22:20,840 Speaker 1: saddled with Blake Bortles then Mitchell Trobiski, so I'm sure 444 00:22:20,920 --> 00:22:23,760 Speaker 1: he wasn't all that thrilled to get the franchise tag, 445 00:22:23,880 --> 00:22:26,800 Speaker 1: particularly since it's a well, actually movie doesn't matter because 446 00:22:26,800 --> 00:22:31,240 Speaker 1: it's gonna be un of his previous year's salary, So 447 00:22:31,320 --> 00:22:34,520 Speaker 1: he's gonna gonna be seventeen point eight eight million, whereas 448 00:22:34,640 --> 00:22:37,240 Speaker 1: God not golladays, God once is gonna be sixteen million. 449 00:22:37,280 --> 00:22:38,359 Speaker 1: I was about to say he was gonna have a 450 00:22:38,359 --> 00:22:41,520 Speaker 1: depressed tag number, but no, he's got the provision kicking in. 451 00:22:41,640 --> 00:22:46,000 Speaker 1: But still then acrimos negotiation. He probably wanted to be 452 00:22:46,080 --> 00:22:48,480 Speaker 1: out there in the open market, but Golladay should be 453 00:22:48,520 --> 00:22:51,880 Speaker 1: doing Carl Wheels. But it's still a fairly good wide 454 00:22:51,880 --> 00:22:54,879 Speaker 1: receiver market here, Joel. That next group of guys that 455 00:22:55,000 --> 00:23:00,280 Speaker 1: Juju Smith, Schuster's, the Will Fullers, the um Who am 456 00:23:00,320 --> 00:23:03,960 Speaker 1: I forgetting da Corey Davis? Yeah, and then then Marvin 457 00:23:04,040 --> 00:23:07,320 Speaker 1: Jones too. What do you think the market is going 458 00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:11,000 Speaker 1: to be for that group? They're probably right not gonna 459 00:23:11,040 --> 00:23:13,800 Speaker 1: hit that top eighteen to twenty million range. Right Where 460 00:23:13,840 --> 00:23:16,560 Speaker 1: do you think those guys are gonna land? I imagined 461 00:23:16,600 --> 00:23:19,320 Speaker 1: Juju maybe a little bit more than Corey Davis. I 462 00:23:19,320 --> 00:23:23,879 Speaker 1: wouldn't touch Ju a ten foot poll for one. That 463 00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:28,960 Speaker 1: we saw what he wasn't when Antonio Brown left, he 464 00:23:29,119 --> 00:23:32,640 Speaker 1: was not a one. I know the quarterback situation wasn't 465 00:23:32,640 --> 00:23:35,600 Speaker 1: great because Roethlisberger got hurt this year. He was not 466 00:23:35,760 --> 00:23:39,160 Speaker 1: a one. If he wants more than number two money, 467 00:23:39,640 --> 00:23:42,480 Speaker 1: you can have him. Number two money is really the 468 00:23:42,520 --> 00:23:45,960 Speaker 1: Sterling Shepherd range ten twelve million per year. I assume 469 00:23:46,040 --> 00:23:49,480 Speaker 1: he's looking more Cooper Cup Robert Woods one and a 470 00:23:49,560 --> 00:23:53,160 Speaker 1: half money, one a one b money fifteen sixteen million 471 00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:56,440 Speaker 1: per year. You can have. All those guys are kind 472 00:23:56,440 --> 00:23:58,560 Speaker 1: of flawed. Corey Davis, they didn't pick up the fifth 473 00:23:58,640 --> 00:24:01,560 Speaker 1: year option for a reason, has a career year. He 474 00:24:01,760 --> 00:24:05,120 Speaker 1: was really the two to a J. Brown's one over there, 475 00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:08,320 Speaker 1: but still almost had a thousand yards great size, was 476 00:24:08,359 --> 00:24:11,879 Speaker 1: the top five pick, has that pedigree. I think I 477 00:24:11,920 --> 00:24:14,320 Speaker 1: would feel a little more comfortable of him because of 478 00:24:14,359 --> 00:24:17,440 Speaker 1: the upside and the size. Will Fuller you got the 479 00:24:17,520 --> 00:24:20,040 Speaker 1: p D suspension and hasn't been able to stay healthy. 480 00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:23,600 Speaker 1: Marvin Jones a little bit older. So they're they're imperfect guys. 481 00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:26,720 Speaker 1: Who will maybe some of the guys that you mentioned 482 00:24:26,760 --> 00:24:28,720 Speaker 1: a couple of guys that might get left without a 483 00:24:28,760 --> 00:24:30,400 Speaker 1: seat at Edge Rusher, Who are some of the guys 484 00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:32,879 Speaker 1: in this wide receiver clash show that you think you 485 00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:36,960 Speaker 1: know come April one might not have a contract yet 486 00:24:37,520 --> 00:24:40,200 Speaker 1: and they might be looking for an opportunity to really 487 00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:42,280 Speaker 1: step in as a primary target with the Giants might 488 00:24:42,280 --> 00:24:44,200 Speaker 1: be able to offer depending on what happens in the draft. 489 00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:46,280 Speaker 1: Where they might be able to get somebody below market 490 00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:49,840 Speaker 1: value depends on how these guys priced themselves. Um. One 491 00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:54,000 Speaker 1: guy that I think is gonna have a teppet market, 492 00:24:54,280 --> 00:24:58,560 Speaker 1: big name A j. Green, hasn't been healthy. They franchised 493 00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:01,960 Speaker 1: him last year and then it was not the same 494 00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:05,760 Speaker 1: page with Joe Burrow. Not very productive, not what you 495 00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:08,879 Speaker 1: want when you're in your thirties. You haven't been healthy. 496 00:25:09,320 --> 00:25:12,640 Speaker 1: The guy that intrigues me not a number one receiver. 497 00:25:13,640 --> 00:25:18,040 Speaker 1: Nelson Aguilar in Philadelphia seemed like he was misused. Was 498 00:25:18,320 --> 00:25:21,560 Speaker 1: more of a possession receiver, slot guy. Raiders make him 499 00:25:21,560 --> 00:25:25,280 Speaker 1: a deep threat, and he was what Tyrolle Williams was 500 00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:28,280 Speaker 1: supposed to be. Tyro Williams was heard all last year, 501 00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:31,359 Speaker 1: got released, went to the lines, which may have been 502 00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:34,840 Speaker 1: part of the reason that Kenny Dot Golladay was not franchise. 503 00:25:34,920 --> 00:25:38,760 Speaker 1: But Aguilar kind of intrigues me. We're seeing Joel last 504 00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:41,280 Speaker 1: question in the wide receivers and I've asked this question 505 00:25:41,320 --> 00:25:43,280 Speaker 1: to a bunch of people have gotten different answers. We've 506 00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:46,360 Speaker 1: seen the draft classes and wide receiver really now going 507 00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:49,000 Speaker 1: back the last three years, including the one upcoming, have 508 00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:52,040 Speaker 1: just been off the charts, you know, one a wide 509 00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:54,480 Speaker 1: receivers going in round two in in some of these 510 00:25:54,560 --> 00:25:58,159 Speaker 1: draft classes, our teams going to start to hesitate a 511 00:25:58,200 --> 00:26:00,200 Speaker 1: little bits. You mentioned the right quarterbacks in one, pass 512 00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:02,800 Speaker 1: rushers too, then you get the tackles or three, and 513 00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:04,920 Speaker 1: then usually you get the cornerbacks and the wide receivers 514 00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:07,440 Speaker 1: in the next group. Right our team's gonna start maybe 515 00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:10,800 Speaker 1: laying low a little bit on wide receivers in free 516 00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:14,440 Speaker 1: agency just because there are so many of them coming 517 00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:16,920 Speaker 1: out of college that are really now stepping in and 518 00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:20,240 Speaker 1: helping right away. Yeah, it used to be the receivers 519 00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:23,919 Speaker 1: it had a two three year period before they were 520 00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:27,239 Speaker 1: really successful. Now they're coming in and they're producing right 521 00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:29,200 Speaker 1: out of the box. So yeah, you're gonna see that 522 00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:33,000 Speaker 1: thinking start to shift, and the guys who are true 523 00:26:33,040 --> 00:26:36,879 Speaker 1: difference makers, are true number ones, will get paid and 524 00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:40,080 Speaker 1: maybe they wait on the other guys because it always 525 00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:42,240 Speaker 1: factors in. If it's a deep year at the draft, 526 00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:46,720 Speaker 1: then you don't necessarily have to reach in free agency 527 00:26:46,840 --> 00:26:49,840 Speaker 1: to get someone in the converse can be true. If 528 00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:55,120 Speaker 1: it's a weak class at a position draftwise, that makes 529 00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:58,080 Speaker 1: it better for the free agents, because we can't find 530 00:26:58,160 --> 00:27:01,280 Speaker 1: one come April, so we to get one now in March. 531 00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:03,720 Speaker 1: If the Giants want to bring in a couple of 532 00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:06,280 Speaker 1: veteran offensive linemen to compete with some of the young 533 00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:07,959 Speaker 1: guys and to push them to make them earn those 534 00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:11,520 Speaker 1: starting jobs, what's the swing tackle market do you think 535 00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:13,479 Speaker 1: gonna be? Is that still gonna be where it kind 536 00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:16,399 Speaker 1: of was before where the Giants worth Cam Fleming and 537 00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:18,520 Speaker 1: I've seen a couple of guards at the open market. 538 00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:21,639 Speaker 1: If you're looking just for a solid veteran guard that 539 00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:23,040 Speaker 1: you know, he's not gonna be at all pro he's 540 00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:24,320 Speaker 1: not gonna make a pro ball, but you can put 541 00:27:24,359 --> 00:27:26,119 Speaker 1: them in there, you know what you're gonna get. What 542 00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:28,960 Speaker 1: type of cost level are you looking at for players 543 00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:31,920 Speaker 1: like that? Well, for this shooting the press market, I 544 00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:34,280 Speaker 1: think the swing tackle market may go down a little 545 00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:39,280 Speaker 1: bit um for the guards, maybe the same thing for 546 00:27:39,520 --> 00:27:42,600 Speaker 1: not the marquee guards, but just you're running the middle 547 00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:45,960 Speaker 1: average guard they make like five six million per year. 548 00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:49,359 Speaker 1: I don't know if they get that this market maybe 549 00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:53,240 Speaker 1: more to three million um, just because you're gonna have 550 00:27:53,320 --> 00:27:55,280 Speaker 1: a glut of people available, because see I can see 551 00:27:55,280 --> 00:27:57,680 Speaker 1: teams doing this. I got X amount of money I'm 552 00:27:57,720 --> 00:28:00,479 Speaker 1: willing to spend. If you don't take it you got, 553 00:28:01,240 --> 00:28:03,280 Speaker 1: I'm putting a clock on you. I'll move on to 554 00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:06,159 Speaker 1: the next guy. Somebody's gonna take my off now. I've 555 00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:08,880 Speaker 1: got a references already, Joeling and so have you. You're 556 00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:10,919 Speaker 1: expecting a lot of one year deals, I imagine. Are 557 00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:14,280 Speaker 1: you also expecting a lot of guys signing in July? 558 00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:16,480 Speaker 1: You know, I think we expect a lot of the 559 00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:18,320 Speaker 1: off season to be virtual, or at least some of 560 00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:21,160 Speaker 1: it where now maybe guys might not be voted motivated 561 00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:23,760 Speaker 1: to sign in in April or May. Are we gonna 562 00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:25,159 Speaker 1: see a lot of one year deals, and a lot 563 00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:27,400 Speaker 1: of those one year deals maybe not happening until later 564 00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:29,920 Speaker 1: on in the process. A lot of one year deals 565 00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:33,159 Speaker 1: just gonna depend on how quickly did the agent and 566 00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:37,040 Speaker 1: the players shift their expectations once they see the markets 567 00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:40,040 Speaker 1: not developing the way they wanted to in a typical year, 568 00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:43,720 Speaker 1: which this isn't you If you don't sign in the 569 00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:46,120 Speaker 1: first wave or second wave of free agency, you kind 570 00:28:46,120 --> 00:28:48,400 Speaker 1: of wait. Some teams will sign a guy before the 571 00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:51,800 Speaker 1: draft because they will take away and need and you 572 00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:55,000 Speaker 1: have to get in the draft. And then there's a 573 00:28:55,120 --> 00:28:58,640 Speaker 1: lag time where some guys will start, won't sign toil 574 00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:00,760 Speaker 1: right before the camp, and some guys like, I'll wait 575 00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:04,200 Speaker 1: for an injury. Yeah, waiting. I don't think it's gonna 576 00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:06,400 Speaker 1: really help you this year, particularly you're gonna pull the 577 00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:09,240 Speaker 1: weight for an injury. Thing think you're gonna create more leverage, 578 00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:13,240 Speaker 1: not in a depressed cap situation, So I think it 579 00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:17,680 Speaker 1: may be more Some agents decide, Marcus, not what I want. 580 00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:20,680 Speaker 1: Am I gonna do a mediocre long term deal? Or 581 00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:22,320 Speaker 1: am I gonna do the one year deal and hit 582 00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:24,480 Speaker 1: it next year? And let me quickly make the decision 583 00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:27,880 Speaker 1: because supply is gonna be so much greater than demand. 584 00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:32,120 Speaker 1: That's interesting. A couple other items, and this I feel 585 00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:33,600 Speaker 1: like it is a bit of a softball because I 586 00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:35,440 Speaker 1: think I know the answer as soon as I asked 587 00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:41,000 Speaker 1: the question. The biggest franchise tag surprise today Joel uh Too, 588 00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:44,720 Speaker 1: Cam Robinson, Marcus Williams. I don't think the Saints had 589 00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:48,560 Speaker 1: anyway given their cap situation, they could clear enough room 590 00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:51,440 Speaker 1: and they still haven't to fit in a franchise tag 591 00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:59,920 Speaker 1: and Cam Robinson inconsistent left tackle. Everyone was kind of like, really, 592 00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:01,640 Speaker 1: I know you've got a ton of cap room. If 593 00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:05,680 Speaker 1: if I represent Cam Robinson, I advise him sign that 594 00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:11,320 Speaker 1: thing today before they resent it, because just fully guaranteed 595 00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:13,680 Speaker 1: once you sign it. That was That was That was 596 00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:15,880 Speaker 1: my big surprise too. I I thought he would almost 597 00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:19,280 Speaker 1: be a swing tackle candidate on the Frasian market because 598 00:30:19,280 --> 00:30:21,719 Speaker 1: of he gets the tag, which I was surprised by. Um, 599 00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:24,680 Speaker 1: all right, Dak Prescott, you said, you know your your 600 00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:26,840 Speaker 1: most recent podcast, I had a big thing on doc. 601 00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:28,920 Speaker 1: Uh give me the loan. Now, what did you think 602 00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:31,280 Speaker 1: of the contract? Obviously they've been at this for a while. 603 00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:33,640 Speaker 1: Uh to me, the two things that stand out or 604 00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:37,400 Speaker 1: the no trade clause and the inability to get franchised 605 00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:40,080 Speaker 1: again after the deal. And I guess that's kind of 606 00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:42,600 Speaker 1: what the Cowboys gave him for them to get uh 607 00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:44,479 Speaker 1: that fourth deal on the deal right, because last year 608 00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:46,440 Speaker 1: the Cowboys wanted a five year deal, DAC wanted a four. 609 00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:48,880 Speaker 1: So now I imagine the Cowboys wanted a four, DAC 610 00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:50,880 Speaker 1: wanted the three. So do you think that was kind 611 00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:53,200 Speaker 1: of the trade off there. Oh, most definitely. I think 612 00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:55,360 Speaker 1: that's the only way it gets done. Where he's under 613 00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:59,080 Speaker 1: contract through that you can't franchise him. And they gave 614 00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:01,720 Speaker 1: him a fifth day uh five million dollar fifth day 615 00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:05,920 Speaker 1: league your roster bonus in so presumably between those two things, 616 00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:09,560 Speaker 1: you would want to get it done. Um early offseason. UM. 617 00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:12,080 Speaker 1: I always thought if a deal was going to get done, 618 00:31:12,280 --> 00:31:14,360 Speaker 1: the first digit in the average of be a four 619 00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:17,560 Speaker 1: forty million dollars or buff or bust, you got there. 620 00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:23,880 Speaker 1: I was skeptical about Dallas really truly assessing the situation 621 00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:27,040 Speaker 1: properly and realizing that he has us over a barrel 622 00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:30,080 Speaker 1: and we pretty much have to concede every major aspect 623 00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:33,320 Speaker 1: of the deal. I thought they they got there. I 624 00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:35,240 Speaker 1: thought it would take them longer. I thought they would 625 00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:39,680 Speaker 1: get there as the July fifteen deadline for franchise players 626 00:31:39,760 --> 00:31:43,080 Speaker 1: to sign long term deals was approaching, and not before 627 00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:46,680 Speaker 1: the deadline to actually put a tag on someone. It's 628 00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:51,440 Speaker 1: interesting that they that Todd Francis agent wanted them to 629 00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:54,800 Speaker 1: use the second tag, so now they burned another one. 630 00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:58,440 Speaker 1: So down the road, if he gets tagged by somebody 631 00:31:58,560 --> 00:32:04,800 Speaker 1: else in the few future, it's a hundred increase over increase, 632 00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:08,600 Speaker 1: and it's a third and final tag of his career. Yeah. 633 00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:11,719 Speaker 1: This this reminds me kind of an NBA contract duel, right, 634 00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:15,680 Speaker 1: where you know you're making sure that your player is 635 00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:18,320 Speaker 1: going to control his own destiny where he's gonna wind 636 00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:20,800 Speaker 1: up after this deal. Right. Yeah, he had leverage and 637 00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:23,360 Speaker 1: he exploited it, and that's what you're supposed to do 638 00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:26,800 Speaker 1: in that situation. Jerry even acknowledged that he had leverage. 639 00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:29,440 Speaker 1: He said in early January on the Dallas radio station, 640 00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:31,880 Speaker 1: I don't know how that can have any more leverage. Yeah, 641 00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:33,600 Speaker 1: that's because you let him have the leverage, because you 642 00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:36,200 Speaker 1: dragged your feet on doing a deal, which if you 643 00:32:36,280 --> 00:32:39,120 Speaker 1: had done going into the final year of his Riocky 644 00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:41,760 Speaker 1: contract when there were two guys making over thirty million 645 00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:45,200 Speaker 1: dollars per year or at that mark, Matt Ryan and 646 00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:49,080 Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers cannot paying anything nearly close to forty million. 647 00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:52,040 Speaker 1: Russell Wilson wasn't even on the book, so at best, 648 00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:55,520 Speaker 1: you're like thirty one thirty two million. Now they got there, 649 00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:57,440 Speaker 1: his calf number down. Do you see? Do you think 650 00:32:57,520 --> 00:32:59,840 Speaker 1: Dallas is gonna be able to be active in free amency? 651 00:32:59,880 --> 00:33:02,440 Speaker 1: Now getting that first year cap number down where they 652 00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:04,240 Speaker 1: might be able to do something to add to their defense, 653 00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:07,880 Speaker 1: which was obviously a huge weakness for them last year. Yeah, 654 00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:10,680 Speaker 1: they're much better position because of fifteen million dollars better 655 00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:13,840 Speaker 1: um with the twenty two point two million dollar um 656 00:33:14,840 --> 00:33:17,160 Speaker 1: first year cap number as opposed to what the tag 657 00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:20,280 Speaker 1: would have been. So yeah, they can be. But Dallas 658 00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:24,560 Speaker 1: hasn't been major players in free agency first wave for 659 00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:28,440 Speaker 1: a while. But I do expect them to go out 660 00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:33,440 Speaker 1: and look at dan quinn disciples people he's familiar with, 661 00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:37,440 Speaker 1: just because that's the defense he's gonna run and famility 662 00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:40,440 Speaker 1: brings comfort. We saw that was part of the reason J. J. 663 00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:44,280 Speaker 1: Watt went to Arizona. He Van Joseph had been someone 664 00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:48,520 Speaker 1: he played for in Houston. So I wouldn't be surprised 665 00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:51,080 Speaker 1: if dan Quinn is looking at some of Atlanta Falcons. 666 00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:54,600 Speaker 1: He's going back to his old Seahawks roots roots. Maybe 667 00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:58,520 Speaker 1: if kJ White is looking for Lavonte David money and 668 00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:01,760 Speaker 1: Seattle doesn't want to pay it, maybe kJ Wright is 669 00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:06,000 Speaker 1: in Dallas. Maybe Richard Sherman's in Dallas, So I would 670 00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:08,919 Speaker 1: look for something like that. Those connections do come into 671 00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:13,319 Speaker 1: play where someone has played for someone before. We've seen 672 00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:16,240 Speaker 1: the Philadelphia be creative in how they do things before, 673 00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:19,840 Speaker 1: and they've just kept resigning their guys. They've had good rosters, 674 00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:21,960 Speaker 1: but everything kind of just did it work out last 675 00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:23,719 Speaker 1: year for them. Is this you think you're gonna be 676 00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:25,680 Speaker 1: a bit of a reset offseason for them where they 677 00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:28,200 Speaker 1: clean up some of the stuff that's built up on 678 00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:30,719 Speaker 1: their cap over the past few years. Oh, no doubt. 679 00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:34,320 Speaker 1: It's it's a reset because you're looking at Jalen Hurts 680 00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:38,080 Speaker 1: and you're carrying thirty three point eight two million in 681 00:34:38,200 --> 00:34:41,480 Speaker 1: dead money for Carson, which once I didn't think they 682 00:34:41,520 --> 00:34:45,160 Speaker 1: would do, and he's in Indianapolis. Zach Ertz is gonna 683 00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:48,279 Speaker 1: be gone one way or another trade or release. He'd 684 00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:52,080 Speaker 1: prefer to be released. So Dallas Goddard takes over tight end. 685 00:34:52,080 --> 00:34:55,719 Speaker 1: You've already gotten rid of Sean Jackson, Alshon Jeffrey will 686 00:34:55,760 --> 00:34:58,920 Speaker 1: be gone for post Union one designation, so will Malik Williams. 687 00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:01,400 Speaker 1: So yeah, I think they're in the reset button. How 688 00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:03,640 Speaker 1: about Washington? You know that right now we don't really 689 00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:06,000 Speaker 1: know who their quarterback is. And let's tell or Hennike's 690 00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:08,319 Speaker 1: one postseason performance, which was good, by the way, I'm 691 00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:10,239 Speaker 1: not thinking anything away from the kid unless they want 692 00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:12,400 Speaker 1: to roll with him. They got to figure out quarterback. Um, 693 00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:14,240 Speaker 1: you might want to give him some help with wide receiver. 694 00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:17,160 Speaker 1: You mentioned they kind of went hard after Cooper last year, 695 00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:19,040 Speaker 1: and I think Washington is one of the few teams 696 00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:20,680 Speaker 1: with the decent amount of cap space. They put the 697 00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:23,960 Speaker 1: franchise tag on Brandon Sheriff, their best offensive lineman. How 698 00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:26,200 Speaker 1: do you think Washington operates in the in the off 699 00:35:26,239 --> 00:35:29,760 Speaker 1: season here? Yeah, they gotta figure out who's the quarterback. 700 00:35:29,840 --> 00:35:32,480 Speaker 1: I know some teams have been kind of waiting to 701 00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:35,200 Speaker 1: see if the Raiders are gonna release Marcus Mariota because 702 00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:39,480 Speaker 1: he's got that uh albatross of a contract for the 703 00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:41,440 Speaker 1: this year. If all those incentives or if he starts, 704 00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:43,720 Speaker 1: he's gonna end up making more than twenty million dollars. 705 00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:46,040 Speaker 1: So they'd prefer for him to get released or be 706 00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:48,319 Speaker 1: willing to if you do trade for him. We work 707 00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:53,520 Speaker 1: those incentives. Um. I know Washington football team fans would cringe, 708 00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:57,920 Speaker 1: but one guy who has a connection to Ron Rivera, 709 00:35:58,080 --> 00:36:01,840 Speaker 1: and we've seen that if you have a Carolina Panthers pedigree, 710 00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:07,640 Speaker 1: there's a decent shot you end up in Washington, Cam Newton, 711 00:36:07,719 --> 00:36:10,600 Speaker 1: what what we saw last year. I wouldn't I wouldn't 712 00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:14,840 Speaker 1: go that direction. If you're talking connection to someone in 713 00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:19,160 Speaker 1: the organization, then I would be sniffing around Carolina try 714 00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:22,680 Speaker 1: to get Teddy Bridgewater since they wanted they They're not 715 00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:26,160 Speaker 1: sold on him. Scott Turner had him in Minnesota. So 716 00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:29,920 Speaker 1: it'll be interesting to see what Washington does a quarterback. 717 00:36:30,040 --> 00:36:32,319 Speaker 1: I don't think the starting quarterback is on the roster 718 00:36:32,520 --> 00:36:36,160 Speaker 1: right now. What do you think the next big domino 719 00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:38,880 Speaker 1: is that's going to fall at the quarterback position? Are 720 00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:42,239 Speaker 1: we gonna see any movement on Watson anytime soon? The 721 00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:45,560 Speaker 1: Russell Wilson noises out there? If there's another snare that 722 00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:47,640 Speaker 1: I'm not thinking of, what do you think is gonna 723 00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:50,680 Speaker 1: happen at those two big quarterback spots? As teams like 724 00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:52,960 Speaker 1: the Bears, and you know we talked about Washington, other 725 00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:55,320 Speaker 1: teams as well, are still trying to find that landing 726 00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:58,600 Speaker 1: spot for a quarterback. I'm discounting the Russell Wilson's thing 727 00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:00,759 Speaker 1: just because when cap standpoint doesn't make a lot of 728 00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:03,000 Speaker 1: sense that he's got a thirty or two million dollar 729 00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:05,719 Speaker 1: cap pit, you trade him before June two that's thirty 730 00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:08,520 Speaker 1: nine million dead money. Then who's gonna play quarterback for them? 731 00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:11,160 Speaker 1: I know they don't have any picks because of Jamal 732 00:37:11,239 --> 00:37:15,160 Speaker 1: Adams trade, but Chicago makes no sense to me from 733 00:37:15,239 --> 00:37:18,160 Speaker 1: a playing standpoint for Russell Wilson. I was surprised it 734 00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:20,120 Speaker 1: was on the list. If you complain about your own 735 00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:22,640 Speaker 1: offensive line, look at that one. I know Kyle Long 736 00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:25,600 Speaker 1: come out of retirement, but that offensive line isn't any 737 00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:29,680 Speaker 1: better than one you have. So I don't know what 738 00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:35,320 Speaker 1: that trade would look like, uh pre June second, just 739 00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:40,520 Speaker 1: because what you have for the Bears that Seattle would 740 00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:42,480 Speaker 1: want would be like Kelleo Mack, but he's got like 741 00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:45,960 Speaker 1: an eighteen million dollar salary. You add seven and dead money, 742 00:37:46,080 --> 00:37:48,600 Speaker 1: So I don't know cap wise if that would work. 743 00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:51,439 Speaker 1: If there is a trade for Russell Wilson, the one 744 00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:54,399 Speaker 1: that makes sense to me for what Seattle would want, 745 00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:56,880 Speaker 1: and I don't think he's getting traded this year. But 746 00:37:57,640 --> 00:38:01,480 Speaker 1: if there is one, it's really the Eaters because they 747 00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:05,759 Speaker 1: have a good quarterback in Derek Carr. Their salaries match 748 00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:09,840 Speaker 1: up pretty much. It's nineteen point six to five versus nineteen. 749 00:38:10,719 --> 00:38:13,520 Speaker 1: You could delay the pro ration from the future years 750 00:38:13,560 --> 00:38:15,879 Speaker 1: so you have twenty six and dead money next year 751 00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:18,640 Speaker 1: and you really only have a six D twenty dollar 752 00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:21,200 Speaker 1: campain increase. Obviously it's not a one for one trade 753 00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:24,280 Speaker 1: and more assets go back to Seattle in terms of picks, 754 00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:26,960 Speaker 1: but that had to be a post June one trade 755 00:38:27,080 --> 00:38:28,960 Speaker 1: for that to make sense. But I still think he's 756 00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:31,480 Speaker 1: there in terms of de Shaun Watson. If he's not 757 00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:34,720 Speaker 1: traded by the draft, this thing gets real ugly because 758 00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:38,080 Speaker 1: Nick Kissario, if he's not getting picks thisstione or he 759 00:38:38,120 --> 00:38:40,480 Speaker 1: plant it's what they lost in the Larry mu Tunsil deal, 760 00:38:41,160 --> 00:38:43,839 Speaker 1: then he's in it for the long haul. It's very 761 00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:48,040 Speaker 1: easy for a player to talk tough in the winter 762 00:38:48,280 --> 00:38:52,719 Speaker 1: in the spring, once training camp rolls around and you're 763 00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:56,920 Speaker 1: risking dollars per day in a fine which can't be forgiven, 764 00:38:57,440 --> 00:38:59,719 Speaker 1: they can start taking back your signing bonus. If you're 765 00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:02,440 Speaker 1: training camp hold out last long enough and then you 766 00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:05,040 Speaker 1: start missing game checks, and if you take it out 767 00:39:05,120 --> 00:39:08,719 Speaker 1: to its full extreme, your contract tolls because you don't 768 00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:13,480 Speaker 1: play most of the year. We'll see if Deshaun Watson 769 00:39:13,560 --> 00:39:16,840 Speaker 1: blinks first or the Texans if it gets to that point. Alright, 770 00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:20,200 Speaker 1: three more questions, Joel uh, First one, is this how crazy? 771 00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:23,879 Speaker 1: And I know we're looking ahead. Here is the free 772 00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:26,080 Speaker 1: agency period gonna behavi because we see that we're gonna 773 00:39:26,080 --> 00:39:28,160 Speaker 1: see the cat balloon. Right, it's gonna go up thirty 774 00:39:28,239 --> 00:39:31,520 Speaker 1: million probably next year. If it gets back up to 775 00:39:31,640 --> 00:39:33,920 Speaker 1: over two, you're gonna have a bunch of players, to 776 00:39:34,239 --> 00:39:35,719 Speaker 1: your point, are gonna be on one year deal, so 777 00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:37,400 Speaker 1: you canna have a lot of guys on the market. 778 00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:40,279 Speaker 1: So does that incentivize the teams in your opinion that 779 00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:42,919 Speaker 1: have cat money this year to use it this year 780 00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:46,280 Speaker 1: in a depressed market rather than wait until next offseason 781 00:39:46,600 --> 00:39:50,120 Speaker 1: where we might just see the wild wild West when 782 00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:52,839 Speaker 1: all these players hit free agency. If you got cap 783 00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:55,920 Speaker 1: room this year, it's great for you because there's some 784 00:39:56,080 --> 00:39:58,360 Speaker 1: teams which won't have an ability to even be players 785 00:39:58,480 --> 00:40:01,360 Speaker 1: or want to be players. The clock is also starting 786 00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:03,880 Speaker 1: over on the minimum spin. It's a it's now a 787 00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:09,160 Speaker 1: three year period three where the cap in cash, it's 788 00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:11,600 Speaker 1: not each year, so you could not spend for two years, 789 00:40:11,640 --> 00:40:15,400 Speaker 1: spend big three and be fine. So teams like the Patriots, 790 00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:18,800 Speaker 1: the Jaguars, the Jets, considering it as a buyer's market, 791 00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:23,880 Speaker 1: they don't necessarily have to go out and pay retail 792 00:40:24,680 --> 00:40:27,760 Speaker 1: in the an initial wave of free agency because guys 793 00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:30,359 Speaker 1: are gonna drop prices, you can you can potentially get 794 00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:32,799 Speaker 1: some very good players that you went in an ordinary year. 795 00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:35,760 Speaker 1: Um in the second wave and third wave of free agency. 796 00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:38,279 Speaker 1: If you have a ton of CAF firm, give you 797 00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:40,520 Speaker 1: an idea. Just you don't have to mention names or 798 00:40:40,520 --> 00:40:42,640 Speaker 1: specific players, but just what the flow is gonna be 799 00:40:42,760 --> 00:40:45,880 Speaker 1: like over the next you know, ten days or so, 800 00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:48,319 Speaker 1: we're recording this and the ten days later we're gonna 801 00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:51,160 Speaker 1: have the start of negotiating period. Then you have free agency. 802 00:40:51,320 --> 00:40:54,400 Speaker 1: Just what do you think give me some predictions or 803 00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:56,360 Speaker 1: just to give the fans a feel for what the 804 00:40:56,480 --> 00:40:59,080 Speaker 1: next ten to fourteen days are going to look like 805 00:40:59,719 --> 00:41:02,479 Speaker 1: at as the league year tolls, well, we're gonna see 806 00:41:02,640 --> 00:41:05,680 Speaker 1: up until March seventeen when the league years starts, more 807 00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:08,680 Speaker 1: people getting cut, which is gonna add to making it 808 00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:11,719 Speaker 1: more of a buyer's market. And then you're gonna see 809 00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:15,160 Speaker 1: once March fifteenth rolls around, you got the forty hour 810 00:41:15,680 --> 00:41:19,000 Speaker 1: pre negotiation fre free agency pair where you can negotiate. 811 00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:22,000 Speaker 1: You're gonna see a bunch of deals get agreed in principle, 812 00:41:22,120 --> 00:41:24,640 Speaker 1: then then signed on the on the seventeenth. By the 813 00:41:25,080 --> 00:41:29,160 Speaker 1: end of that work week, the first one free agency 814 00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:32,239 Speaker 1: will be over by March nineteen. Then you're gonna see 815 00:41:32,760 --> 00:41:36,080 Speaker 1: deals trickle in the next few days after that. Once 816 00:41:36,120 --> 00:41:39,279 Speaker 1: the league meetings start, everything basically shuts down for free 817 00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:44,080 Speaker 1: agency and you're gonna see deals being fewer and far between. 818 00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:46,759 Speaker 1: All right, finally, give me a little prediction. What do 819 00:41:46,840 --> 00:41:49,719 Speaker 1: you think the Giants are going to end up doing, Joel. Guys, 820 00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:51,800 Speaker 1: they might bring in what's gonna happen with with Williams 821 00:41:51,880 --> 00:41:54,400 Speaker 1: and Thomason because your feel for how this might go 822 00:41:54,560 --> 00:41:57,839 Speaker 1: for the Giants when they hit free agency. I think 823 00:41:57,840 --> 00:42:00,319 Speaker 1: they have sticker shotgun Williams and of that frame Chise 824 00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:03,480 Speaker 1: tax sitting on there, which is going to inhibit their 825 00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:07,520 Speaker 1: ability to go out and be bigger players in free agency. Um, 826 00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:11,080 Speaker 1: hopefully they'll end up getting one of these edge rushers 827 00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:13,160 Speaker 1: whose market doesn't develop the way he wants it to. 828 00:42:14,160 --> 00:42:16,719 Speaker 1: Interesting Joel, great stuff, my friend, always great to talk to. 829 00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:18,840 Speaker 1: You enjoy this part of the off season. I know 830 00:42:18,920 --> 00:42:20,799 Speaker 1: this is your bread and butter. And again, just tell 831 00:42:20,840 --> 00:42:22,920 Speaker 1: the folks where they can find your work. Well, you 832 00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:26,520 Speaker 1: can find my agents take column at CBS sports dot com. 833 00:42:26,600 --> 00:42:31,320 Speaker 1: Tomorrow there will be one up on select offensive Players 834 00:42:31,360 --> 00:42:34,320 Speaker 1: where I set target prices, not necessarily what they'll sign for, 835 00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:37,040 Speaker 1: but what they would be trying to get. Getting it 836 00:42:37,520 --> 00:42:40,440 Speaker 1: and asking for it two different things. And also my 837 00:42:40,640 --> 00:42:44,160 Speaker 1: podcast Inside the Cap. Good stuff, Joel, appreciate it. We'll 838 00:42:44,160 --> 00:42:46,799 Speaker 1: talk soon. Okay, sounds good. Thanks for having me. That's 839 00:42:46,840 --> 00:42:49,480 Speaker 1: Joe Corey for manifl Asian again CBS Sports and check 840 00:42:49,480 --> 00:42:52,080 Speaker 1: out his podcast as well. 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