WEBVTT - Cowboys Break: Quinn vs. D-Law? 0:00:00.960 --> 0:00:03.480 The following. He's a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com 0:00:03.520 --> 0:00:06.640 and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. Are you ready for 0:00:06.720 --> 0:00:11.280 a break? Are you ready for a break? Absolutely ready 0:00:11.480 --> 0:00:15.160 for a break? Yeah, and so much for that. It's 0:00:15.200 --> 0:00:19.720 time for The Break on Dallas Cowboys dot Com Wall 0:00:20.880 --> 0:00:26.400 with Nick Eatman, David Hellman, and bar Garcia and Derek Eagleton. 0:00:26.520 --> 0:00:30.520 It is Friday, March twenty ninth, twenty nineteen, Season fifteen, 0:00:30.600 --> 0:00:33.640 episode number two. Welcome to another edition of The Break. 0:00:33.640 --> 0:00:36.159 We're alive from the s WBC Mortgage Studios and the 0:00:36.240 --> 0:00:40.000 Star got Nick with me. Dave Brian's joining us again today. 0:00:40.040 --> 0:00:41.879 Amber's out again this week. She'll be back with us 0:00:41.880 --> 0:00:44.440 next week. But we've got a lot to talk about today. 0:00:44.520 --> 0:00:46.800 Cowboys make a big move yesterday, and we're going to 0:00:46.840 --> 0:00:50.760 get the opinions of this illustrious group of young men. 0:00:51.240 --> 0:00:53.440 Tell us all about why this is a good or 0:00:53.560 --> 0:00:57.040 maybe bad I don't know move for the Cowboys. I 0:00:57.040 --> 0:00:59.680 don't think anybody. All right, let's start. Let's talk about 0:00:59.720 --> 0:01:05.080 Robert Win. Yesterday, Cowboys complete the trade from Miami. I 0:01:05.080 --> 0:01:07.319 guess first, Nickola the groundwork for us on the deal. 0:01:07.720 --> 0:01:10.800 What did the Cowboys give up and what happened from 0:01:10.800 --> 0:01:13.120 the standpoint of the contract a bag of chips and 0:01:14.120 --> 0:01:17.160 they got a really good pass rusher Chetos. Now, no, 0:01:17.280 --> 0:01:19.920 they got a Cheeto. No. I mean they gave up 0:01:20.520 --> 0:01:23.160 six pound pick in twenty twenty, so nothing this year, 0:01:23.840 --> 0:01:26.720 and then they're not gonna pay. They restructured his deal, 0:01:26.760 --> 0:01:28.800 which was a one year eleven I mean, he had 0:01:28.840 --> 0:01:31.520 one year left for about eleven and a half million. 0:01:32.280 --> 0:01:34.520 They're restructuring that. It's not going to be that, but 0:01:34.560 --> 0:01:36.800 they're going to get a player that hasn't ever had 0:01:36.840 --> 0:01:38.679 a season less than four and a half sacks in 0:01:38.720 --> 0:01:40.959 his career. He's had a nineteen that was a few 0:01:41.000 --> 0:01:43.800 years ago. But he's a guy that I think instantly 0:01:44.200 --> 0:01:46.520 it comes in as better. He's better than Taco Charlton 0:01:46.600 --> 0:01:50.640 and Dorian's Armstrong probably combined. He can come in and 0:01:50.800 --> 0:01:54.200 offset what they're doing with whenever they get DeMarcus in here. 0:01:54.560 --> 0:01:56.600 I think they have really two good pass rushers. So 0:01:56.800 --> 0:01:59.040 it's a move that they typically don't make, and I 0:01:59.120 --> 0:02:02.160 think it's an aggressive of all in type of move. 0:02:03.120 --> 0:02:05.840 See I disagree with that last I loved everything you 0:02:05.880 --> 0:02:07.840 just said. I disagree that's an all end type of move, 0:02:07.880 --> 0:02:10.000 which is why I love it so much, because it's 0:02:10.080 --> 0:02:12.600 just proof of the point that you can be aggressive 0:02:13.040 --> 0:02:15.560 in adding talent to your team without giving away the 0:02:15.600 --> 0:02:18.440 bank A six round. I mean they got Robert Quinn 0:02:18.440 --> 0:02:20.839 for Darius Jackson. Well, I don't mean or Rico Gay, 0:02:21.040 --> 0:02:23.000 I mean all in. Like. I don't mean all in 0:02:23.160 --> 0:02:26.840 like this is like make or break for the for 0:02:26.880 --> 0:02:29.760 the franchise like this year, but I mean for this 0:02:29.840 --> 0:02:32.200 season that they're trying to go in. I just think 0:02:32.200 --> 0:02:33.959 of all in. I mean, pushing your chips to the 0:02:34.000 --> 0:02:35.840 middle of the table is a big risk. There's no 0:02:35.960 --> 0:02:40.200 risk that's an all in. I'm arguing semantics with you. 0:02:40.240 --> 0:02:42.160 I get that. But they're all in on the season, 0:02:42.320 --> 0:02:44.040 is really what I mean. Okay, they're all in on 0:02:44.080 --> 0:02:46.440 this year to go make this year the year. I 0:02:46.480 --> 0:02:48.960 just I think that's what I'm I've been I've been 0:02:49.000 --> 0:02:50.880 begging for this team to do this type of stuff 0:02:50.880 --> 0:02:52.679 for years. I mean, if you've listened to me since 0:02:52.720 --> 0:02:54.760 I started coming on this show regularly, I say it 0:02:54.760 --> 0:02:56.400 all the time. I don't know how many times I've 0:02:56.400 --> 0:02:59.320 brought up the Journegan trade that the Eagles made, or 0:02:59.360 --> 0:03:01.359 the Jgi trade that the Eagles make. And that's what's 0:03:01.360 --> 0:03:04.560 all about, is adding good, proven talent to your team 0:03:04.760 --> 0:03:06.640 without taking on a lot of risk. And there's like 0:03:06.720 --> 0:03:09.639 no risk at this at all. Um the I think 0:03:09.680 --> 0:03:12.000 that it might not be finalized, but the word on 0:03:12.040 --> 0:03:14.360 the street is that they're gonna pay him like eight million, 0:03:14.400 --> 0:03:16.600 with incentives to bump it to ten if he hits 0:03:16.720 --> 0:03:21.520 certain parameters like seven, eight sacks or more. So you're 0:03:21.560 --> 0:03:24.480 getting him for a bargain. You didn't give up anything 0:03:24.520 --> 0:03:26.000 for him. I mean they don't even They don't even 0:03:26.040 --> 0:03:27.799 have a first round pick or a six round pick. 0:03:27.800 --> 0:03:29.960 Excuse me. They gave up a six round pick for 0:03:30.040 --> 0:03:32.800 ben A bin Wickery a couple of years ago. He 0:03:32.919 --> 0:03:35.880 was their sixth thing against Bena. No nothing against him, 0:03:35.880 --> 0:03:38.520 but he didn't he didn't make an impact on this team. 0:03:38.560 --> 0:03:40.760 And now you've got a starting right end who is 0:03:40.800 --> 0:03:43.800 capable of getting to double digit sacks for that. Yeah, 0:03:43.840 --> 0:03:47.040 it's a fantastic move. Yeah, they got a player that's 0:03:47.120 --> 0:03:49.400 got a similar skill set to the player you're trying 0:03:49.400 --> 0:03:52.360 to sign for twenty three million dollars. That's what they 0:03:52.400 --> 0:03:55.160 got and so he's not going to play the run 0:03:55.200 --> 0:03:57.120 as well. But what he's going to give you is 0:03:57.160 --> 0:03:58.920 the pass rush stuff. He's going to give you, the 0:03:59.120 --> 0:04:02.760 the the edge, he's going to give you the we 0:04:02.760 --> 0:04:05.760 always talk about in scouting world, the tools, the tool belt. 0:04:05.840 --> 0:04:07.720 He has a wide tool belt of the things that 0:04:07.840 --> 0:04:10.040 he can do. This is not the one trick pony 0:04:10.080 --> 0:04:12.520 that everybody likes to talk about as far as oh 0:04:12.600 --> 0:04:15.120 what can he do? When you watch this guy play, 0:04:15.480 --> 0:04:17.680 you have to account for him. I mean the Green 0:04:17.720 --> 0:04:20.320 Bay Packers in the game I watched yesterday, they have 0:04:20.400 --> 0:04:23.359 got an all Pro left tackle in David Bakhtiari, and 0:04:23.400 --> 0:04:26.160 they still gave him help to that side with Quinn. 0:04:26.160 --> 0:04:28.560 That just shows you the respect that they have for 0:04:28.680 --> 0:04:31.600 Robert Quinn as a rusher. So those types of things 0:04:31.640 --> 0:04:33.599 I think, you know, I like what Nick said, I 0:04:33.640 --> 0:04:35.680 like exactly what David said. You know, this is a 0:04:35.720 --> 0:04:38.880 move that I think it really protects themselves. You know, 0:04:39.160 --> 0:04:41.360 and we've been talking about on the various shows that 0:04:41.920 --> 0:04:44.080 you know, they couldn't go into the season if something 0:04:44.120 --> 0:04:47.040 were to happen where they don't get Lawrence done or 0:04:47.200 --> 0:04:49.880 they they say, you know what, he's going to have 0:04:49.960 --> 0:04:52.720 the surgery, but he's not going to play to October 0:04:53.120 --> 0:04:55.920 you know, this does not leave them without a pass rusher, 0:04:56.040 --> 0:04:58.320 and I think that's the most important thing. Normally I 0:04:58.360 --> 0:05:01.840 would ask when we talk about trade or signings, is 0:05:01.880 --> 0:05:04.679 it worth it for what you give up? In this instance, 0:05:04.680 --> 0:05:06.479 I think we all agree that the Cowboys got a 0:05:06.480 --> 0:05:08.560 heck of a deal. So the question really changes to 0:05:09.200 --> 0:05:11.599 how would the Cowboys able to get such a favorable 0:05:11.680 --> 0:05:13.839 deal for a player like this. Is this a situation 0:05:13.880 --> 0:05:17.599 where maybe there's some injury issues or concerns. Maybe he 0:05:18.080 --> 0:05:20.400 in the opinion of maybe some other teams, he's not 0:05:20.440 --> 0:05:22.520 as good as he once was. Why are the Cowboys 0:05:22.560 --> 0:05:25.080 able to get him for relatively nothing. Well, that's that's 0:05:25.160 --> 0:05:26.920 part of it. I mean, he's not as good as 0:05:26.920 --> 0:05:29.080 he once was. I mean, I'm sure that that's part 0:05:29.120 --> 0:05:32.320 of the situation. He's not probably gonna get nineteen sacks. 0:05:33.360 --> 0:05:35.320 But I also don't think that he was the fit 0:05:35.400 --> 0:05:37.719 for what the Dolphins wanted and then they were gonna 0:05:37.720 --> 0:05:39.839 cut him. So when you think about it, like you're 0:05:39.880 --> 0:05:43.440 going to cut him, you know, then you'll take whatever 0:05:43.800 --> 0:05:45.880 you know, because the other teams are saying, we're not 0:05:45.880 --> 0:05:47.560 gonna give anything because once you cut him, if we 0:05:47.600 --> 0:05:50.400 want and we can go get him exactly. It's kind 0:05:50.400 --> 0:05:52.159 of like when you're in a guade, shall you know 0:05:52.200 --> 0:05:54.120 you're putting that stuff out there, you're gonna throw it 0:05:54.120 --> 0:05:56.320 away or whatever. So even though it doesn't matter what 0:05:56.360 --> 0:05:57.840 you paid for it or how good it was, at 0:05:57.880 --> 0:05:59.960 one point it's either going to be the trash or whatever. 0:06:00.320 --> 0:06:02.640 He'll take whatever. There's always a reason why the pro 0:06:02.760 --> 0:06:06.120 scouts followed teams with new head coaches and new general 0:06:06.160 --> 0:06:10.080 managers because they will always move on from players that 0:06:10.120 --> 0:06:13.400 weren't part of what they brought in. And so Nick's 0:06:13.480 --> 0:06:15.640 right about the scheme fit. It's been a couple of 0:06:15.640 --> 0:06:17.919 different times he's had to deal with scheme fit. It 0:06:17.960 --> 0:06:20.400 happened to him in LA. They moved him on. He 0:06:20.480 --> 0:06:24.160 had some production. You know, I think this to me, 0:06:24.760 --> 0:06:27.680 I don't see the I think that to me that 0:06:28.320 --> 0:06:30.919 he's capable of getting double digit sacks Again, is he 0:06:30.920 --> 0:06:33.960 going to get nineteen sacks? No? Probably not. But if 0:06:34.000 --> 0:06:36.600 you watch him play, and I'll tell you what he's got. 0:06:36.720 --> 0:06:39.279 Cameron Wake on the other side, playing with him and 0:06:39.600 --> 0:06:42.600 Cameron Wake had a hell of a time, I mean 0:06:42.640 --> 0:06:44.839 not health. He did a great job of getting to 0:06:44.880 --> 0:06:47.480 the quarterback because of what was going on at the 0:06:47.600 --> 0:06:51.240 right defensive end spot. So you know, the Marcus Lords 0:06:51.240 --> 0:06:53.440 if if he were to sign, he's going to get 0:06:53.440 --> 0:06:55.760 the benefit of a guy that people again I could say, 0:06:55.839 --> 0:06:58.600 still have to account for the way he's going to rush. 0:06:58.640 --> 0:07:01.880 But the really the bottom line, new general manager, new 0:07:01.920 --> 0:07:04.280 coaching staff, they're always going to move on from that. 0:07:04.360 --> 0:07:06.800 I don't know enough about the Dolphins to know, you know, 0:07:07.000 --> 0:07:09.400 I don't know if they're going full Cleveland where they're 0:07:09.440 --> 0:07:12.160 committing to winning, you're trying to get a quarterback next year. 0:07:12.240 --> 0:07:15.320 It sounds like they're trying to completely rebuild their entire thing. 0:07:15.520 --> 0:07:17.000 And they brought in a new coach. He's going to 0:07:17.040 --> 0:07:19.640 play a multiple front. They're free and up cap space 0:07:19.720 --> 0:07:23.240 left and right. They let Tannehill go that like there's 0:07:23.360 --> 0:07:27.600 nothing in Miami except for like Kenyan Drake and Xavi 0:07:27.720 --> 0:07:29.640 and Howard. Those are like the only two names I 0:07:29.640 --> 0:07:32.840 can come up with. And so you know, they look 0:07:32.880 --> 0:07:34.920 like a team that's planning on losing a lot so 0:07:34.960 --> 0:07:37.240 they can rebuild. Like they're freeing up a ton of 0:07:37.280 --> 0:07:39.600 cap space. They're trying to acquire draft picks. That's what 0:07:39.680 --> 0:07:42.120 so get a pick to help you rebuild your team 0:07:42.200 --> 0:07:45.560 shed some salary or put a twenty nine year old 0:07:45.560 --> 0:07:48.360 defensive end at rush linebacker in a three four scheme 0:07:48.440 --> 0:07:50.040 and have them get three and a half sacks and 0:07:50.080 --> 0:07:52.720 half to pay him twelve million, so you get what 0:07:52.760 --> 0:07:54.680 you can for him. Okay, see teams do that all 0:07:54.720 --> 0:07:57.520 the time. All that being said, does this change the 0:07:57.600 --> 0:08:00.520 negotiations with Tank Lawrence at this point? Now that the 0:08:00.520 --> 0:08:04.800 Cowboys have a capable best pass rusher, I guess, for 0:08:04.880 --> 0:08:06.440 lack of a better way to put it, they have 0:08:06.480 --> 0:08:08.040 a guy now in the building that they feel like 0:08:08.080 --> 0:08:11.600 can be their leading pass rusher. Does that change how 0:08:11.600 --> 0:08:14.880 they negotiate with ten Lawrence? I think it helps them 0:08:14.920 --> 0:08:18.200 mentally going in that they have a legitimate pass rusher. 0:08:18.440 --> 0:08:20.840 I think that helps them. But I think the front 0:08:20.880 --> 0:08:23.600 office will be really patient on this one. I mean, 0:08:24.280 --> 0:08:26.840 they talk about wanting to get things done and all that, 0:08:26.880 --> 0:08:31.200 but the front office traditionally can wait this out the ones. 0:08:31.240 --> 0:08:34.160 I feel bad for the coaches and for his teammates 0:08:34.559 --> 0:08:37.679 because they're the guys that you know, there's seasons on 0:08:37.720 --> 0:08:40.360 the line. You know, the coaches will tell you like, hey, 0:08:40.440 --> 0:08:43.360 we don't have security. Now. Front office they'll say, you 0:08:43.400 --> 0:08:45.839 know what, the great thing about this front office is 0:08:45.880 --> 0:08:48.520 they're not going anywhere. You know, they can wait this 0:08:48.559 --> 0:08:50.920 thing out. And that's and I think that's really one 0:08:50.960 --> 0:08:53.480 of the things that you know, is so unique about 0:08:53.520 --> 0:08:56.120 this organization is that they can afford to say, Okay, 0:08:56.120 --> 0:08:57.840 we'll make the deal with how we want to make 0:08:57.840 --> 0:09:00.640 this deal. And I know it's frustrating to ends out there, 0:09:00.640 --> 0:09:03.160 it's frustrated to put but yeah, they've got coaches they 0:09:03.200 --> 0:09:05.559 have to think about and players they have to think about. 0:09:05.600 --> 0:09:08.560 But you know, that doesn't doesn't seem to bother me. 0:09:08.679 --> 0:09:10.840 I don't think they're I don't think the strategy changes 0:09:10.880 --> 0:09:13.520 at all. I think they're at one on one with 0:09:13.559 --> 0:09:15.240 this agent and they're going to try and figure this 0:09:15.280 --> 0:09:17.080 thing out the best they can. If it doesn't work well, 0:09:17.120 --> 0:09:18.840 at least they've got something that they know they can 0:09:19.160 --> 0:09:21.320 they can use at least for this year. I have 0:09:21.360 --> 0:09:23.400 a hard time believe in they would this would change 0:09:23.400 --> 0:09:26.199 a whole lot, because they're already playing hardball. Like if 0:09:26.240 --> 0:09:28.800 you believe the details that are coming out like this 0:09:28.880 --> 0:09:31.840 is already these two sides are already pretty dug in. 0:09:32.000 --> 0:09:34.400 Stephen Jones said that they're at an impass. The other day. 0:09:34.440 --> 0:09:38.640 So they're already it's things already kind of tense, I guess. 0:09:38.640 --> 0:09:40.760 So I don't know what adding Robert Quinn does to 0:09:40.880 --> 0:09:43.520 change that. I mean, their heels are already dug in. Yeah, 0:09:43.559 --> 0:09:45.640 I don't know what the hold up is. I mean, 0:09:45.679 --> 0:09:48.000 I've seen reports. I don't believe them, but I see 0:09:48.040 --> 0:09:49.960 the reports of you know that they're a little bit 0:09:50.000 --> 0:09:52.160 off here on the money, you know, per year and 0:09:52.200 --> 0:09:54.080 all that. I don't really believe that that would be 0:09:54.120 --> 0:09:56.200 the case. I can't imagine that you would be off 0:09:56.240 --> 0:09:59.080 a couple million dollars in per year. It sounds like 0:09:59.200 --> 0:10:01.760 from what I've heard it again, this is all speculation. 0:10:02.440 --> 0:10:04.199 From what I've heard, it sounds like it may be 0:10:04.440 --> 0:10:06.720 the guarantee that maybe it's got to be the guarantee, 0:10:06.760 --> 0:10:13.320 no question, you know, it's difference in the guarantees. It's 0:10:13.360 --> 0:10:15.760 about that you could do anything you want with the 0:10:15.920 --> 0:10:18.360 with the per year, you can make it however you want. 0:10:18.440 --> 0:10:21.200 So it's got to be that. And UM, you know, 0:10:21.640 --> 0:10:24.680 this is a tough situation. I'm you know, I think 0:10:25.000 --> 0:10:28.520 the injuries U the fact that he needs um, you know, 0:10:28.800 --> 0:10:33.600 shoulder surgery. Um, you know, to me, I think DeMarcus 0:10:33.640 --> 0:10:36.320 needs to needs to get the surgery done. Um. But 0:10:36.480 --> 0:10:38.680 that's just my opinion, and I think he's he's he's 0:10:38.720 --> 0:10:41.720 trying to leverage this thing. Um. I think he should 0:10:41.760 --> 0:10:43.760 go ahead and get the surgery. For everything that he's 0:10:43.760 --> 0:10:46.400 been about all year, being about the team and all 0:10:46.400 --> 0:10:49.160 that that they've given him a franchise tag to be 0:10:49.240 --> 0:10:52.000 twenty million. Everything he said last year was I get 0:10:52.040 --> 0:10:55.079 seventeen million. How great is that they're giving him twenty 0:10:55.320 --> 0:10:58.240 that they're still committing to him to play. He should 0:10:58.280 --> 0:11:00.319 do everything he can to be ready to play. I 0:11:00.559 --> 0:11:02.920 think he needs the surgery. Would that I disagree? No? No, 0:11:02.960 --> 0:11:04.600 Would that be a show of good faith on his 0:11:04.679 --> 0:11:06.360 part if he has the surgery done and all of 0:11:06.360 --> 0:11:08.120 a sudden it's like, okay, now you're going to get 0:11:08.120 --> 0:11:10.840 the surgery done. Okay, we're going to start this. We're 0:11:10.880 --> 0:11:12.760 in good faith, we're gonna try and get this thing 0:11:12.800 --> 0:11:15.360 done for you. Yeah. So I think that's I think 0:11:15.440 --> 0:11:18.280 Nick is definitely onto something there, because if this thing 0:11:18.360 --> 0:11:20.760 goes all the way to July fifteenth, there's a side 0:11:20.760 --> 0:11:23.560 of me that would move on from him. There is 0:11:23.679 --> 0:11:26.520 I would move on. What are these again, Let's let's 0:11:26.520 --> 0:11:29.880 figure that out, dude, let's just say July fifteenth. If 0:11:29.880 --> 0:11:32.640 he gets to be July fifteenth or fourteenth and he 0:11:32.720 --> 0:11:35.040 has not had the surgery, I don't know if I'm 0:11:35.040 --> 0:11:37.719 necessarily willing to commit twenty million dollars to him for 0:11:37.840 --> 0:11:40.720 playing ten games. So you can send the tag. Send 0:11:40.720 --> 0:11:43.040 the tag. Well, if it gets to July fifteenth at 0:11:43.040 --> 0:11:46.640 three pm with no deal, then you can't negotiate anymore. Right, 0:11:46.720 --> 0:11:48.760 and you were sending the tag. You can send the tag. 0:11:48.880 --> 0:11:52.240 Then what happens that he's free free now, And now 0:11:52.280 --> 0:11:54.800 he's really screwed himself because a he hasn't had the 0:11:54.800 --> 0:11:57.760 surgery done, and b it's like who's got money to 0:11:58.120 --> 0:12:00.640 pay him now? They could say, hey, it could be 0:12:00.679 --> 0:12:04.360 just like Ziggyanza, Hey, come back to a submit October 0:12:04.400 --> 0:12:08.040 once you had the surgery done. That's part of me 0:12:08.120 --> 0:12:11.040 applauds him in his camp for trying to find a 0:12:11.080 --> 0:12:14.400 way to get leverage because they don't have it. Well there, 0:12:15.000 --> 0:12:17.440 Like I said, I applaud them for looking for because 0:12:17.440 --> 0:12:19.160 you're in a situation where you don't have a lot. 0:12:19.280 --> 0:12:21.800 So you have this card and you're trying to play 0:12:21.840 --> 0:12:24.400 it in your favor. The problem is it's gonna backfire 0:12:24.720 --> 0:12:27.000 because if you get to a point where now you're 0:12:27.000 --> 0:12:29.600 missing games, why are the Cowboys going to pay you 0:12:29.600 --> 0:12:31.560 what you want to not be available? And I mean 0:12:31.640 --> 0:12:33.960 Jerry Jones said it playing his day on Monday. I 0:12:34.000 --> 0:12:36.600 talked to him personally. He was like, what, you know, 0:12:36.880 --> 0:12:38.880 the big the first year of any big deal is 0:12:39.000 --> 0:12:41.280 very important, and why would we pay top dollar for 0:12:41.320 --> 0:12:43.920 a first year that's not going to be sixteen games 0:12:43.920 --> 0:12:47.280 of good health. So you're hurting yourself. If they send 0:12:47.320 --> 0:12:49.959 the tag and you're damaged goods, You're not going to 0:12:50.040 --> 0:12:52.079 get what you want on the open market, right, probably 0:12:52.120 --> 0:12:53.719 going to turn a lot of teams off with the 0:12:53.840 --> 0:12:55.839 Well you're like, well, yeah, you purposely held off a 0:12:55.920 --> 0:12:59.120 surgery to get you know, to try to play leverage, 0:12:59.160 --> 0:13:01.160 like why would we why would we want you? Very 0:13:01.160 --> 0:13:05.199 similar to a Levy and Bell situation. So I get 0:13:05.200 --> 0:13:08.680 aggravated when people call him selfish or expect him to 0:13:08.720 --> 0:13:11.319 take a penny less than what he's worth. Yeah, it's 0:13:11.320 --> 0:13:15.240 absolutely business, But I don't think he's a jerk. I 0:13:15.280 --> 0:13:18.160 think he's playing himself in the long run, like like 0:13:18.200 --> 0:13:21.480 I said, admirable to try to find a way to 0:13:21.520 --> 0:13:23.240 get leverage. But I don't think it's gonna work. I 0:13:23.280 --> 0:13:24.839 think it's only going to hurt you in the long run. 0:13:25.080 --> 0:13:27.120 This goes back to the original question that I asked 0:13:27.120 --> 0:13:30.600 about this, in that how this deal with Robert Quinn 0:13:30.600 --> 0:13:33.600 effects Tanking. In my opinion, before this deal was made, 0:13:33.600 --> 0:13:36.120 before they made this trade, I felt like Tank had 0:13:36.160 --> 0:13:37.800 a lot of leverage. I thought he created a lot 0:13:37.800 --> 0:13:41.680 of leverage for himself with the surgery because I thought 0:13:41.679 --> 0:13:44.640 that it does create a scenario where it's like, okay, Cowboys, well, 0:13:44.679 --> 0:13:46.600 if you want to play chicken on this thing, you 0:13:46.600 --> 0:13:49.360 could be facing us entering a season without your top 0:13:49.360 --> 0:13:52.600 two pass rushers, because then Tank would be out having 0:13:52.600 --> 0:13:55.160 surgery and Gregory, you don't know what's going to happen 0:13:55.160 --> 0:13:57.480 with him right now when you make this move, he 0:13:57.559 --> 0:14:00.360 doesn't have that kind of leverage anymore. And so this move, 0:14:00.400 --> 0:14:03.520 to me, changed everything about the negotiations because now the Cowboys, 0:14:04.240 --> 0:14:06.679 in my opinion, even if you think that the Cowboys 0:14:06.720 --> 0:14:09.120 still had the majority of leverage, there was some leverage 0:14:09.160 --> 0:14:11.520 on Tank side. I think on this instance, going back 0:14:11.520 --> 0:14:13.480 to how you talked about it, Brian, I think he 0:14:13.520 --> 0:14:15.800 really has lost all leveragehip to guards to the surgery 0:14:15.840 --> 0:14:19.040 because I don't think he wants to be I wouldn't 0:14:19.040 --> 0:14:21.120 think maybe he does. I wouldn't think he would want 0:14:21.160 --> 0:14:23.640 to be a free agent on July fifteenth, because Levich, 0:14:23.680 --> 0:14:25.480 you said, because the money's dried up at that point, 0:14:25.480 --> 0:14:27.520 and because people are not gonna have to pay him 0:14:27.600 --> 0:14:30.640 a big salary for a guy that's gonna miss half 0:14:30.640 --> 0:14:32.360 of that first Yeah, he's gonna have to. They would 0:14:32.360 --> 0:14:35.960 be ten games to prove that you're worth twenty three 0:14:36.000 --> 0:14:38.520 million dollars. And I don't I don't think that's I 0:14:38.600 --> 0:14:40.680 don't think that's a hard sell. That's a very hard sell. 0:14:40.800 --> 0:14:43.600 We kicked this around the office yesterday, like does he 0:14:43.760 --> 0:14:46.920 have to get the surgery? I mean, he played with 0:14:46.960 --> 0:14:49.200 this injury for most of last year, didn't he? So 0:14:49.440 --> 0:14:51.800 he might not be as effective. But yeah, but if 0:14:51.800 --> 0:14:53.400 he could have left to just not do it at all, 0:14:53.520 --> 0:14:55.440 right way until the twenty twenty Yeah, but you're not 0:14:55.480 --> 0:14:58.800 going to pay him, Yeah, probably not pay The Cowboys 0:14:58.800 --> 0:15:01.200 are gonna make him their better. He's the best offer 0:15:01.240 --> 0:15:03.520 he's going to get us from the Dallas Cowboys. He 0:15:03.680 --> 0:15:05.800 really that's that's really the best he can do. In 0:15:05.840 --> 0:15:08.680 my opinion, I will say this, and Brian, you've watched 0:15:08.680 --> 0:15:11.640 the tape. Tell me if I'm wrong, But I'm nowhere 0:15:11.680 --> 0:15:15.080 near as excited about Robert Quinn if DeMarcus Lawrence isn't 0:15:15.080 --> 0:15:18.000 part of this, like he's not pushing for double digit 0:15:18.040 --> 0:15:20.080 sacks without an all pro on the other side of no, 0:15:20.200 --> 0:15:22.240 I'll disagree with you. You think you think I'm okay, 0:15:22.240 --> 0:15:25.360 Absolutely I'll disagree because I think I think scheme wise, 0:15:25.400 --> 0:15:28.440 there's things that they can do, especially with the with 0:15:28.480 --> 0:15:31.000 the inside players here that they have, There's things that 0:15:31.040 --> 0:15:32.640 they could set him up the way he can play 0:15:32.680 --> 0:15:35.120 on the move. You know, I'm not saying, you know, 0:15:35.240 --> 0:15:38.920 nineteen sacks, no, but but yeah, ten eleven, twelve, absolutely, 0:15:38.920 --> 0:15:41.040 But I will say this, I'm way more excited about 0:15:41.040 --> 0:15:43.200 that if I have Tank Lawrence on the other there's 0:15:43.200 --> 0:15:45.000 no quote out about it, you know, but he might 0:15:45.040 --> 0:15:47.480 even help Tank get more sacks. Right again, I talk, 0:15:47.760 --> 0:15:49.360 I talk about what was going on on the on 0:15:49.520 --> 0:15:52.200 the other side. I mean, David Baktier, who I think 0:15:52.320 --> 0:15:54.360 is a really good tackle for the Packers, is standing 0:15:54.400 --> 0:15:56.760 there with help with a back and a tight into 0:15:56.760 --> 0:15:59.600 his side. But that's that's kind of my point is 0:15:59.640 --> 0:16:02.600 if if Robert Quinn's getting doubled, then Tank is but 0:16:02.760 --> 0:16:06.000 still but still having six and a half sacks. But 0:16:06.560 --> 0:16:09.560 oh but Quinn still having still with my point is 0:16:09.640 --> 0:16:12.280 concerned about him still having sacks. If you double, if 0:16:12.280 --> 0:16:15.280 you double Quinn, then DeMarcus Lawrence is going to eat. 0:16:15.440 --> 0:16:18.040 And if you don't have DeMarcus Lawrence, I'm sorry, I 0:16:18.040 --> 0:16:20.760 don't trust Tyrone Crawford and Taco Charlton to take advantage. 0:16:20.760 --> 0:16:23.720 But what's what's the difference Last year you had defensive 0:16:23.800 --> 0:16:25.800 was top five with the guy only had eight sacks? 0:16:26.480 --> 0:16:28.400 You had one once one of those does last try 0:16:28.440 --> 0:16:30.360 to better than that? You had one of those does 0:16:30.440 --> 0:16:32.320 last year? And Lawrence like and he was still he 0:16:32.360 --> 0:16:34.880 saw a ton of double teams, right, and he still 0:16:34.920 --> 0:16:37.360 was able to get some production. So is my question 0:16:37.360 --> 0:16:39.440 would be as Quinn as good as Tanks? So if 0:16:39.440 --> 0:16:42.240 he is similar least at the very least, you're gonna 0:16:42.280 --> 0:16:45.120 have what you had last year, right, which was not bad? Yeah, 0:16:45.240 --> 0:16:48.760 similar traits maybe. Well we also had Randy Gregory last 0:16:48.800 --> 0:16:52.320 year who like wasn't amazing but produced. I mean he 0:16:52.840 --> 0:16:56.000 had six sacks. He got pressure on the quarterback, Like, 0:16:56.040 --> 0:17:00.080 who's doing that opposite Quinn? For you because Gregory you 0:17:00.080 --> 0:17:01.960 can't count on him being part of it. So again 0:17:02.000 --> 0:17:06.520 you're looking at Taco Tyrone and maybe Dorin's Armstrong, which like, hey, 0:17:06.640 --> 0:17:09.000 I mean Taco Charles the first round pick. Maybe this 0:17:09.040 --> 0:17:10.639 is his year. But I don't want to bank on 0:17:10.680 --> 0:17:14.440 that the defense is worse if Tank's not on it. Hell, yeah, 0:17:14.480 --> 0:17:19.160 I do. Yes, Am I crazy? I agree with you. 0:17:19.600 --> 0:17:21.800 If Robert Quinn's on this defense and Tank is not, 0:17:21.880 --> 0:17:23.960 they're worse. Yeah, I would say probably. So. The only 0:17:24.000 --> 0:17:26.080 thing that I that I kind of I'm a little 0:17:26.080 --> 0:17:29.520 cautious about is I think Grandy Gregory. I think Grandy 0:17:29.520 --> 0:17:33.040 Gregory played well for what the expectations were coming back 0:17:33.080 --> 0:17:35.080 from being out as long as he did. I think 0:17:35.119 --> 0:17:37.639 if you put him in the context of just was 0:17:37.680 --> 0:17:40.000 it a great defensive was it a great defensive endcy, 0:17:40.119 --> 0:17:42.880 I don't know, and I don't think. I don't think 0:17:42.880 --> 0:17:45.720 that what he did last year couldn't be replicated by 0:17:45.720 --> 0:17:47.840 one of those other guys or a combination of those 0:17:47.880 --> 0:17:50.720 other guys if you've got a premier pass rusher on 0:17:50.800 --> 0:17:52.400 the other end. So I don't know that I'm necessarily 0:17:52.440 --> 0:17:54.600 feeling like you're worse. I do think you can get 0:17:54.640 --> 0:17:57.200 appreciably better. I just don't know if you're worse. But 0:17:57.680 --> 0:18:00.080 you can't count on anybody, Like that's the thing. You 0:18:00.119 --> 0:18:03.000 can't count on tackle, you can't count on Can you 0:18:03.040 --> 0:18:05.480 count on Gregory? No? But that's my point. So is 0:18:05.480 --> 0:18:08.080 it Is it better than you were last year? I 0:18:08.119 --> 0:18:10.000 think you're about where you were last year? I think 0:18:10.240 --> 0:18:12.920