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Speaker 1: It is Friday, March twenty ninth, twenty nineteen, Season fifteen,
Speaker 1: episode number two. Welcome to another edition of The Break.
Speaker 1: We're alive from the s WBC Mortgage Studios and the
Speaker 1: Star got Nick with me. Dave Brian's joining us again today.
Speaker 1: Amber's out again this week. She'll be back with us
Speaker 1: next week. But we've got a lot to talk about today.
Speaker 1: Cowboys make a big move yesterday, and we're going to
Speaker 1: get the opinions of this illustrious group of young men.
Speaker 1: Tell us all about why this is a good or
Speaker 1: maybe bad I don't know move for the Cowboys. I
Speaker 1: don't think anybody. All right, let's start. Let's talk about
Speaker 1: Robert Win. Yesterday, Cowboys complete the trade from Miami. I
Speaker 1: guess first, Nickola the groundwork for us on the deal.
Speaker 1: What did the Cowboys give up and what happened from
Speaker 1: the standpoint of the contract a bag of chips and
Speaker 1: they got a really good pass rusher Chetos. Now, no,
Speaker 1: they got a Cheeto. No. I mean they gave up
Speaker 1: six pound pick in twenty twenty, so nothing this year,
Speaker 1: and then they're not gonna pay. They restructured his deal,
Speaker 1: which was a one year eleven I mean, he had
Speaker 1: one year left for about eleven and a half million.
Speaker 1: They're restructuring that. It's not going to be that, but
Speaker 1: they're going to get a player that hasn't ever had
Speaker 1: a season less than four and a half sacks in
Speaker 1: his career. He's had a nineteen that was a few
Speaker 1: years ago. But he's a guy that I think instantly
Speaker 1: it comes in as better. He's better than Taco Charlton
Speaker 1: and Dorian's Armstrong probably combined. He can come in and
Speaker 1: offset what they're doing with whenever they get DeMarcus in here.
Speaker 1: I think they have really two good pass rushers. So
Speaker 1: it's a move that they typically don't make, and I
Speaker 1: think it's an aggressive of all in type of move.
Speaker 1: See I disagree with that last I loved everything you
Speaker 1: just said. I disagree that's an all end type of move,
Speaker 1: which is why I love it so much, because it's
Speaker 1: just proof of the point that you can be aggressive
Speaker 1: in adding talent to your team without giving away the
Speaker 1: bank A six round. I mean they got Robert Quinn
Speaker 1: for Darius Jackson. Well, I don't mean or Rico Gay,
Speaker 1: I mean all in. Like. I don't mean all in
Speaker 1: like this is like make or break for the for
Speaker 1: the franchise like this year, but I mean for this
Speaker 1: season that they're trying to go in. I just think
Speaker 1: of all in. I mean, pushing your chips to the
Speaker 1: middle of the table is a big risk. There's no
Speaker 1: risk that's an all in. I'm arguing semantics with you.
Speaker 1: I get that. But they're all in on the season,
Speaker 1: is really what I mean. Okay, they're all in on
Speaker 1: this year to go make this year the year. I
Speaker 1: just I think that's what I'm I've been I've been
Speaker 1: begging for this team to do this type of stuff
Speaker 1: for years. I mean, if you've listened to me since
Speaker 1: I started coming on this show regularly, I say it
Speaker 1: all the time. I don't know how many times I've
Speaker 1: brought up the Journegan trade that the Eagles made, or
Speaker 1: the Jgi trade that the Eagles make. And that's what's
Speaker 1: all about, is adding good, proven talent to your team
Speaker 1: without taking on a lot of risk. And there's like
Speaker 1: no risk at this at all. Um the I think
Speaker 1: that it might not be finalized, but the word on
Speaker 1: the street is that they're gonna pay him like eight million,
Speaker 1: with incentives to bump it to ten if he hits
Speaker 1: certain parameters like seven, eight sacks or more. So you're
Speaker 1: getting him for a bargain. You didn't give up anything
Speaker 1: for him. I mean they don't even They don't even
Speaker 1: have a first round pick or a six round pick.
Speaker 1: Excuse me. They gave up a six round pick for
Speaker 1: ben A bin Wickery a couple of years ago. He
Speaker 1: was their sixth thing against Bena. No nothing against him,
Speaker 1: but he didn't he didn't make an impact on this team.
Speaker 1: And now you've got a starting right end who is
Speaker 1: capable of getting to double digit sacks for that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's a fantastic move. Yeah, they got a player that's
Speaker 1: got a similar skill set to the player you're trying
Speaker 1: to sign for twenty three million dollars. That's what they
Speaker 1: got and so he's not going to play the run
Speaker 1: as well. But what he's going to give you is
Speaker 1: the pass rush stuff. He's going to give you, the
Speaker 1: the the edge, he's going to give you the we
Speaker 1: always talk about in scouting world, the tools, the tool belt.
Speaker 1: He has a wide tool belt of the things that
Speaker 1: he can do. This is not the one trick pony
Speaker 1: that everybody likes to talk about as far as oh
Speaker 1: what can he do? When you watch this guy play,
Speaker 1: you have to account for him. I mean the Green
Speaker 1: Bay Packers in the game I watched yesterday, they have
Speaker 1: got an all Pro left tackle in David Bakhtiari, and
Speaker 1: they still gave him help to that side with Quinn.
Speaker 1: That just shows you the respect that they have for
Speaker 1: Robert Quinn as a rusher. So those types of things
Speaker 1: I think, you know, I like what Nick said, I
Speaker 1: like exactly what David said. You know, this is a
Speaker 1: move that I think it really protects themselves. You know,
Speaker 1: and we've been talking about on the various shows that
Speaker 1: you know, they couldn't go into the season if something
Speaker 1: were to happen where they don't get Lawrence done or
Speaker 1: they they say, you know what, he's going to have
Speaker 1: the surgery, but he's not going to play to October
Speaker 1: you know, this does not leave them without a pass rusher,
Speaker 1: and I think that's the most important thing. Normally I
Speaker 1: would ask when we talk about trade or signings, is
Speaker 1: it worth it for what you give up? In this instance,
Speaker 1: I think we all agree that the Cowboys got a
Speaker 1: heck of a deal. So the question really changes to
Speaker 1: how would the Cowboys able to get such a favorable
Speaker 1: deal for a player like this. Is this a situation
Speaker 1: where maybe there's some injury issues or concerns. Maybe he
Speaker 1: in the opinion of maybe some other teams, he's not
Speaker 1: as good as he once was. Why are the Cowboys
Speaker 1: able to get him for relatively nothing. Well, that's that's
Speaker 1: part of it. I mean, he's not as good as
Speaker 1: he once was. I mean, I'm sure that that's part
Speaker 1: of the situation. He's not probably gonna get nineteen sacks.
Speaker 1: But I also don't think that he was the fit
Speaker 1: for what the Dolphins wanted and then they were gonna
Speaker 1: cut him. So when you think about it, like you're
Speaker 1: going to cut him, you know, then you'll take whatever
Speaker 1: you know, because the other teams are saying, we're not
Speaker 1: gonna give anything because once you cut him, if we
Speaker 1: want and we can go get him exactly. It's kind
Speaker 1: of like when you're in a guade, shall you know
Speaker 1: you're putting that stuff out there, you're gonna throw it
Speaker 1: away or whatever. So even though it doesn't matter what
Speaker 1: you paid for it or how good it was, at
Speaker 1: one point it's either going to be the trash or whatever.
Speaker 1: He'll take whatever. There's always a reason why the pro
Speaker 1: scouts followed teams with new head coaches and new general
Speaker 1: managers because they will always move on from players that
Speaker 1: weren't part of what they brought in. And so Nick's
Speaker 1: right about the scheme fit. It's been a couple of
Speaker 1: different times he's had to deal with scheme fit. It
Speaker 1: happened to him in LA. They moved him on. He
Speaker 1: had some production. You know, I think this to me,
Speaker 1: I don't see the I think that to me that
Speaker 1: he's capable of getting double digit sacks Again, is he
Speaker 1: going to get nineteen sacks? No? Probably not. But if
Speaker 1: you watch him play, and I'll tell you what he's got.
Speaker 1: Cameron Wake on the other side, playing with him and
Speaker 1: Cameron Wake had a hell of a time, I mean
Speaker 1: not health. He did a great job of getting to
Speaker 1: the quarterback because of what was going on at the
Speaker 1: right defensive end spot. So you know, the Marcus Lords
Speaker 1: if if he were to sign, he's going to get
Speaker 1: the benefit of a guy that people again I could say,
Speaker 1: still have to account for the way he's going to rush.
Speaker 1: But the really the bottom line, new general manager, new
Speaker 1: coaching staff, they're always going to move on from that.
Speaker 1: I don't know enough about the Dolphins to know, you know,
Speaker 1: I don't know if they're going full Cleveland where they're
Speaker 1: committing to winning, you're trying to get a quarterback next year.
Speaker 1: It sounds like they're trying to completely rebuild their entire thing.
Speaker 1: And they brought in a new coach. He's going to
Speaker 1: play a multiple front. They're free and up cap space
Speaker 1: left and right. They let Tannehill go that like there's
Speaker 1: nothing in Miami except for like Kenyan Drake and Xavi
Speaker 1: and Howard. Those are like the only two names I
Speaker 1: can come up with. And so you know, they look
Speaker 1: like a team that's planning on losing a lot so
Speaker 1: they can rebuild. Like they're freeing up a ton of
Speaker 1: cap space. They're trying to acquire draft picks. That's what
Speaker 1: so get a pick to help you rebuild your team
Speaker 1: shed some salary or put a twenty nine year old
Speaker 1: defensive end at rush linebacker in a three four scheme
Speaker 1: and have them get three and a half sacks and
Speaker 1: half to pay him twelve million, so you get what
Speaker 1: you can for him. Okay, see teams do that all
Speaker 1: the time. All that being said, does this change the
Speaker 1: negotiations with Tank Lawrence at this point? Now that the
Speaker 1: Cowboys have a capable best pass rusher, I guess, for
Speaker 1: lack of a better way to put it, they have
Speaker 1: a guy now in the building that they feel like
Speaker 1: can be their leading pass rusher. Does that change how
Speaker 1: they negotiate with ten Lawrence? I think it helps them
Speaker 1: mentally going in that they have a legitimate pass rusher.
Speaker 1: I think that helps them. But I think the front
Speaker 1: office will be really patient on this one. I mean,
Speaker 1: they talk about wanting to get things done and all that,
Speaker 1: but the front office traditionally can wait this out the ones.
Speaker 1: I feel bad for the coaches and for his teammates
Speaker 1: because they're the guys that you know, there's seasons on
Speaker 1: the line. You know, the coaches will tell you like, hey,
Speaker 1: we don't have security. Now. Front office they'll say, you
Speaker 1: know what, the great thing about this front office is
Speaker 1: they're not going anywhere. You know, they can wait this
Speaker 1: thing out. And that's and I think that's really one
Speaker 1: of the things that you know, is so unique about
Speaker 1: this organization is that they can afford to say, Okay,
Speaker 1: we'll make the deal with how we want to make
Speaker 1: this deal. And I know it's frustrating to ends out there,
Speaker 1: it's frustrated to put but yeah, they've got coaches they
Speaker 1: have to think about and players they have to think about.
Speaker 1: But you know, that doesn't doesn't seem to bother me.
Speaker 1: I don't think they're I don't think the strategy changes
Speaker 1: at all. I think they're at one on one with
Speaker 1: this agent and they're going to try and figure this
Speaker 1: thing out the best they can. If it doesn't work well,
Speaker 1: at least they've got something that they know they can
Speaker 1: they can use at least for this year. I have
Speaker 1: a hard time believe in they would this would change
Speaker 1: a whole lot, because they're already playing hardball. Like if
Speaker 1: you believe the details that are coming out like this
Speaker 1: is already these two sides are already pretty dug in.
Speaker 1: Stephen Jones said that they're at an impass. The other day.
Speaker 1: So they're already it's things already kind of tense, I guess.
Speaker 1: So I don't know what adding Robert Quinn does to
Speaker 1: change that. I mean, their heels are already dug in. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know what the hold up is. I mean,
Speaker 1: I've seen reports. I don't believe them, but I see
Speaker 1: the reports of you know that they're a little bit
Speaker 1: off here on the money, you know, per year and
Speaker 1: all that. I don't really believe that that would be
Speaker 1: the case. I can't imagine that you would be off
Speaker 1: a couple million dollars in per year. It sounds like
Speaker 1: from what I've heard it again, this is all speculation.
Speaker 1: From what I've heard, it sounds like it may be
Speaker 1: the guarantee that maybe it's got to be the guarantee,
Speaker 1: no question, you know, it's difference in the guarantees. It's
Speaker 1: about that you could do anything you want with the
Speaker 1: with the per year, you can make it however you want.
Speaker 1: So it's got to be that. And UM, you know,
Speaker 1: this is a tough situation. I'm you know, I think
Speaker 1: the injuries U the fact that he needs um, you know,
Speaker 1: shoulder surgery. Um, you know, to me, I think DeMarcus
Speaker 1: needs to needs to get the surgery done. Um. But
Speaker 1: that's just my opinion, and I think he's he's he's
Speaker 1: trying to leverage this thing. Um. I think he should
Speaker 1: go ahead and get the surgery. For everything that he's
Speaker 1: been about all year, being about the team and all
Speaker 1: that that they've given him a franchise tag to be
Speaker 1: twenty million. Everything he said last year was I get
Speaker 1: seventeen million. How great is that they're giving him twenty
Speaker 1: that they're still committing to him to play. He should
Speaker 1: do everything he can to be ready to play. I
Speaker 1: think he needs the surgery. Would that I disagree? No? No,
Speaker 1: Would that be a show of good faith on his
Speaker 1: part if he has the surgery done and all of
Speaker 1: a sudden it's like, okay, now you're going to get
Speaker 1: the surgery done. Okay, we're going to start this. We're
Speaker 1: in good faith, we're gonna try and get this thing
Speaker 1: done for you. Yeah. So I think that's I think
Speaker 1: Nick is definitely onto something there, because if this thing
Speaker 1: goes all the way to July fifteenth, there's a side
Speaker 1: of me that would move on from him. There is
Speaker 1: I would move on. What are these again, Let's let's
Speaker 1: figure that out, dude, let's just say July fifteenth. If
Speaker 1: he gets to be July fifteenth or fourteenth and he
Speaker 1: has not had the surgery, I don't know if I'm
Speaker 1: necessarily willing to commit twenty million dollars to him for
Speaker 1: playing ten games. So you can send the tag. Send
Speaker 1: the tag. Well, if it gets to July fifteenth at
Speaker 1: three pm with no deal, then you can't negotiate anymore. Right,
Speaker 1: and you were sending the tag. You can send the tag.
Speaker 1: Then what happens that he's free free now, And now
Speaker 1: he's really screwed himself because a he hasn't had the
Speaker 1: surgery done, and b it's like who's got money to
Speaker 1: pay him now? They could say, hey, it could be
Speaker 1: just like Ziggyanza, Hey, come back to a submit October
Speaker 1: once you had the surgery done. That's part of me
Speaker 1: applauds him in his camp for trying to find a
Speaker 1: way to get leverage because they don't have it. Well there,
Speaker 1: Like I said, I applaud them for looking for because
Speaker 1: you're in a situation where you don't have a lot.
Speaker 1: So you have this card and you're trying to play
Speaker 1: it in your favor. The problem is it's gonna backfire
Speaker 1: because if you get to a point where now you're
Speaker 1: missing games, why are the Cowboys going to pay you
Speaker 1: what you want to not be available? And I mean
Speaker 1: Jerry Jones said it playing his day on Monday. I
Speaker 1: talked to him personally. He was like, what, you know,
Speaker 1: the big the first year of any big deal is
Speaker 1: very important, and why would we pay top dollar for
Speaker 1: a first year that's not going to be sixteen games
Speaker 1: of good health. So you're hurting yourself. If they send
Speaker 1: the tag and you're damaged goods, You're not going to
Speaker 1: get what you want on the open market, right, probably
Speaker 1: going to turn a lot of teams off with the
Speaker 1: Well you're like, well, yeah, you purposely held off a
Speaker 1: surgery to get you know, to try to play leverage,
Speaker 1: like why would we why would we want you? Very
Speaker 1: similar to a Levy and Bell situation. So I get
Speaker 1: aggravated when people call him selfish or expect him to
Speaker 1: take a penny less than what he's worth. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: absolutely business, But I don't think he's a jerk. I
Speaker 1: think he's playing himself in the long run, like like
Speaker 1: I said, admirable to try to find a way to
Speaker 1: get leverage. But I don't think it's gonna work. I
Speaker 1: think it's only going to hurt you in the long run.
Speaker 1: This goes back to the original question that I asked
Speaker 1: about this, in that how this deal with Robert Quinn
Speaker 1: effects Tanking. In my opinion, before this deal was made,
Speaker 1: before they made this trade, I felt like Tank had
Speaker 1: a lot of leverage. I thought he created a lot
Speaker 1: of leverage for himself with the surgery because I thought
Speaker 1: that it does create a scenario where it's like, okay, Cowboys, well,
Speaker 1: if you want to play chicken on this thing, you
Speaker 1: could be facing us entering a season without your top
Speaker 1: two pass rushers, because then Tank would be out having
Speaker 1: surgery and Gregory, you don't know what's going to happen
Speaker 1: with him right now when you make this move, he
Speaker 1: doesn't have that kind of leverage anymore. And so this move,
Speaker 1: to me, changed everything about the negotiations because now the Cowboys,
Speaker 1: in my opinion, even if you think that the Cowboys
Speaker 1: still had the majority of leverage, there was some leverage
Speaker 1: on Tank side. I think on this instance, going back
Speaker 1: to how you talked about it, Brian, I think he
Speaker 1: really has lost all leveragehip to guards to the surgery
Speaker 1: because I don't think he wants to be I wouldn't
Speaker 1: think maybe he does. I wouldn't think he would want
Speaker 1: to be a free agent on July fifteenth, because Levich,
Speaker 1: you said, because the money's dried up at that point,
Speaker 1: and because people are not gonna have to pay him
Speaker 1: a big salary for a guy that's gonna miss half
Speaker 1: of that first Yeah, he's gonna have to. They would
Speaker 1: be ten games to prove that you're worth twenty three
Speaker 1: million dollars. And I don't I don't think that's I
Speaker 1: don't think that's a hard sell. That's a very hard sell.
Speaker 1: We kicked this around the office yesterday, like does he
Speaker 1: have to get the surgery? I mean, he played with
Speaker 1: this injury for most of last year, didn't he? So
Speaker 1: he might not be as effective. But yeah, but if
Speaker 1: he could have left to just not do it at all,
Speaker 1: right way until the twenty twenty Yeah, but you're not
Speaker 1: going to pay him, Yeah, probably not pay The Cowboys
Speaker 1: are gonna make him their better. He's the best offer
Speaker 1: he's going to get us from the Dallas Cowboys. He
Speaker 1: really that's that's really the best he can do. In
Speaker 1: my opinion, I will say this, and Brian, you've watched
Speaker 1: the tape. Tell me if I'm wrong, But I'm nowhere
Speaker 1: near as excited about Robert Quinn if DeMarcus Lawrence isn't
Speaker 1: part of this, like he's not pushing for double digit
Speaker 1: sacks without an all pro on the other side of no,
Speaker 1: I'll disagree with you. You think you think I'm okay,
Speaker 1: Absolutely I'll disagree because I think I think scheme wise,
Speaker 1: there's things that they can do, especially with the with
Speaker 1: the inside players here that they have, There's things that
Speaker 1: they could set him up the way he can play
Speaker 1: on the move. You know, I'm not saying, you know,
Speaker 1: nineteen sacks, no, but but yeah, ten eleven, twelve, absolutely,
Speaker 1: But I will say this, I'm way more excited about
Speaker 1: that if I have Tank Lawrence on the other there's
Speaker 1: no quote out about it, you know, but he might
Speaker 1: even help Tank get more sacks. Right again, I talk,
Speaker 1: I talk about what was going on on the on
Speaker 1: the other side. I mean, David Baktier, who I think
Speaker 1: is a really good tackle for the Packers, is standing
Speaker 1: there with help with a back and a tight into
Speaker 1: his side. But that's that's kind of my point is
Speaker 1: if if Robert Quinn's getting doubled, then Tank is but
Speaker 1: still but still having six and a half sacks. But
Speaker 1: oh but Quinn still having still with my point is
Speaker 1: concerned about him still having sacks. If you double, if
Speaker 1: you double Quinn, then DeMarcus Lawrence is going to eat.
Speaker 1: And if you don't have DeMarcus Lawrence, I'm sorry, I
Speaker 1: don't trust Tyrone Crawford and Taco Charlton to take advantage.
Speaker 1: But what's what's the difference Last year you had defensive
Speaker 1: was top five with the guy only had eight sacks?
Speaker 1: You had one once one of those does last try
Speaker 1: to better than that? You had one of those does
Speaker 1: last year? And Lawrence like and he was still he
Speaker 1: saw a ton of double teams, right, and he still
Speaker 1: was able to get some production. So is my question
Speaker 1: would be as Quinn as good as Tanks? So if
Speaker 1: he is similar least at the very least, you're gonna
Speaker 1: have what you had last year, right, which was not bad? Yeah,
Speaker 1: similar traits maybe. Well we also had Randy Gregory last
Speaker 1: year who like wasn't amazing but produced. I mean he
Speaker 1: had six sacks. He got pressure on the quarterback, Like,
Speaker 1: who's doing that opposite Quinn? For you because Gregory you
Speaker 1: can't count on him being part of it. So again
Speaker 1: you're looking at Taco Tyrone and maybe Dorin's Armstrong, which like, hey,
Speaker 1: I mean Taco Charles the first round pick. Maybe this
Speaker 1: is his year. But I don't want to bank on
Speaker 1: that the defense is worse if Tank's not on it. Hell, yeah,
Speaker 1: I do. Yes, Am I crazy? I agree with you.
Speaker 1: If Robert Quinn's on this defense and Tank is not,
Speaker 1: they're worse. Yeah, I would say probably. So. The only
Speaker 1: thing that I that I kind of I'm a little
Speaker 1: cautious about is I think Grandy Gregory. I think Grandy
Speaker 1: Gregory played well for what the expectations were coming back
Speaker 1: from being out as long as he did. I think
Speaker 1: if you put him in the context of just was
Speaker 1: it a great defensive was it a great defensive endcy,
Speaker 1: I don't know, and I don't think. I don't think
Speaker 1: that what he did last year couldn't be replicated by
Speaker 1: one of those other guys or a combination of those
Speaker 1: other guys if you've got a premier pass rusher on
Speaker 1: the other end. So I don't know that I'm necessarily
Speaker 1: feeling like you're worse. I do think you can get
Speaker 1: appreciably better. I just don't know if you're worse. But
Speaker 1: you can't count on anybody, Like that's the thing. You
Speaker 1: can't count on tackle, you can't count on Can you
Speaker 1: count on Gregory? No? But that's my point. So is
Speaker 1: it Is it better than you were last year? I
Speaker 1: think you're about where you were last year? I think
Speaker 1: are you talking about with the Marcus Lawrence on the team.
Speaker 1: I'm saying if you take DeMarcus and you just think
Speaker 1: of it as I'm replacing DeMarcus with Robert Quinn, I
Speaker 1: think I think you're right where you were. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: I think you're crazy. I think you're nuts. Robert Quinn
Speaker 1: hasn't been in a Pro Bowl in five years, f YI. Like,
Speaker 1: I'm very excited about him joining this team. If Tank
Speaker 1: is on it, I think you're taking a step back. Okay,
Speaker 1: so what did he have? The complimentary pieces? That is?
Speaker 1: Brian was just talking about the defensive tackles you had
Speaker 1: on this team last year? Did Robert Quinn have that?
Speaker 1: In Miami? Are the defensive tackles on this team pro Bowlers? Like?
Speaker 1: What I mean? No? But they but they played a
Speaker 1: role in the don't think they helped Lawrence. They had
Speaker 1: a good pass last year that wasn't just DeMarcus. I
Speaker 1: know DeMarcus had a lot to do with it, but
Speaker 1: they had guys that were getting pressure. I think we
Speaker 1: are drastically understood saying if isn't on this team and
Speaker 1: you plug in Robert Quinn, you're saying that the defense
Speaker 1: is the same, I think it's the same. I think
Speaker 1: you're crazy. We need to get on point counterpoint. Seriously,
Speaker 1: I'm getting mad, like I'm like fired up. That big
Speaker 1: a deal. But I mean, I think DeMarcus Lawrence is
Speaker 1: one of the five best edge rushers in the NFL.
Speaker 1: You're trying to about a guy that got franchised and
Speaker 1: the guy that that's getting a conditional sixth round pick
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty. Yeah, but that you can't you can't
Speaker 1: judge you based on that. How many times do we
Speaker 1: see how many times career point to this point? What
Speaker 1: is left? Oakland Like, that's not a judge of this.
Speaker 1: One guy plays right and the other guy plays left
Speaker 1: in my right. But de Marcus l you hate that better? No, no,
Speaker 1: but I'm just asking you. I don't Marcus Marcus would
Speaker 1: be fine on the right he's a better run player.
Speaker 1: He's a better player, better run player, a better player
Speaker 1: right now, he's a better pass rusher. Yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: we're talking about where he is in his career. Yes,
Speaker 1: how can you say that that's not a big hill
Speaker 1: of Well, one team's given an all sixth round picked.
Speaker 1: That's that's irrelevant when you just finished saying you guys
Speaker 1: just finished saying that the reason he went for a
Speaker 1: sixth round pick is because there's a scheme change. You said,
Speaker 1: because the coaches changed and they feel like for the money,
Speaker 1: it's not worth it in a scheme where he doesn't
Speaker 1: and for the for the what they're expecting him to
Speaker 1: be in that scheme exactly. There's other four three teams
Speaker 1: out there that weren't given. I'm just saying, I think
Speaker 1: this is silly to compare him to d law. If
Speaker 1: Robert don't have to, they're both gonna be here if
Speaker 1: both go. If Robert Quinn was where he like, if
Speaker 1: he was still on that level, it wouldn't matter. They
Speaker 1: wouldn't have had to dump him. They would have gotten
Speaker 1: way more for him. Just like the Raiders think you
Speaker 1: pick up right now, you put a pick up to
Speaker 1: Marcus Lawrence and you put him in a three four,
Speaker 1: he's gonna be as effective as he was last year
Speaker 1: in a four three. No, but a three four team
Speaker 1: would give more than the Cowboys just gave for Robert
Speaker 1: Quinn played in a four three last year. Let's not
Speaker 1: act like he didn't play. Robert Quinn played in a
Speaker 1: four three last year. Yeah, he did. He played. The
Speaker 1: Dolphins are switching now, but he played last year and
Speaker 1: he was rice and a half. And if the eight
Speaker 1: and ten and a half ten and a half, Yeah,
Speaker 1: and if they were staying in a four to three,
Speaker 1: maybe they wouldn't be willing to give him up. That's
Speaker 1: the point. It's a situation like that's the reason why
Speaker 1: LA let him go is because they don't think he
Speaker 1: can play in the three four. Yeah. I think we're
Speaker 1: just dragging to Marcus Lawrence's name through the mud right now.
Speaker 1: It's not and this is not honestly, this is not
Speaker 1: against Marcus Lawrence. And I've been one of the biggest
Speaker 1: proponents of the fact. I want them to get this
Speaker 1: deal done because I feel like the step that you
Speaker 1: made last year, don't make that be in vain, but
Speaker 1: not getting better like that doesn't mean I don't think
Speaker 1: they will be the same. That means I think you
Speaker 1: have an opportunity to be appreciably better. Go be appreciably better.
Speaker 1: I think they will be significantly worse. If arguably the
Speaker 1: best run stopping defensive end in the league and a
Speaker 1: top tier pass rushing defensive in the league is not
Speaker 1: on this team, they will be worse. They will not
Speaker 1: be as good. Yeah. I don't think it's a good
Speaker 1: to replace him. And this is your twenty three million
Speaker 1: dollars player in your eyes? No, he's not twenty three million? Okay,
Speaker 1: what is it? What is what is he? He's twenty?
Speaker 1: What is he? He's twenty because you franchised him. So
Speaker 1: he's definitely twenty because you franchised him. That's what I
Speaker 1: feel like. Hey, you guys want to pay him? Is
Speaker 1: one of the top pass rushers and defensive ends in
Speaker 1: the league. Yeah, yeah, you sound like you both are
Speaker 1: ye twenty on them to give him six sixty guarantee?
Speaker 1: No, no no, no, wait, twenty three five is the number
Speaker 1: you in? We in let's do it sixty guarantee. Screw it.
Speaker 1: Oh it's more than that. You just say it's screw
Speaker 1: it because you don't. It's not my money, That's what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. It's nick is he had twenty three and
Speaker 1: a half million dollar year player for five years, not
Speaker 1: twenty three. I'm now, are you arguing so hard about
Speaker 1: this thing? Well, I mean you're comparing them to Robert Quinn,
Speaker 1: who they just got far back of chips. I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm just saying the saying that that he You can't
Speaker 1: just say take Quinn for the law if you have
Speaker 1: doubt he's not the best pass rusher in the league.
Speaker 1: He's not. But that's been my whole he's not. He's not.
Speaker 1: But guess what that's say you to Robert quarterback the
Speaker 1: same thing, and he's gonna even in the top half
Speaker 1: of the league, and he's gonna get money. That is
Speaker 1: That's the game you play with the market, especially when
Speaker 1: you tag a guy. I think the Cowboys are thinking
Speaker 1: he's not a twenty three and a half million dollar player,
Speaker 1: literally not, because they would have paid him by now
Speaker 1: if that was the case, they would have just done it.
Speaker 1: If they were like, well, yeah, you're the best, they
Speaker 1: would be like, yeah, sure, here's your money. Yeah, so yeah,
Speaker 1: which I'm not like, if it comes, if it comes
Speaker 1: down to it, trade him. That's fine. Basically, the thing
Speaker 1: that aggravates me is people sit here and try to
Speaker 1: act like he's not a good player because saying that.
Speaker 1: But no, seriously, who said he's not a good player? Right?
Speaker 1: But I'm just saying I don't like the net better
Speaker 1: off with Robert Quinn being here, if if, if, if
Speaker 1: Lawrence wasn't here, having Robert Quinn at least gives you
Speaker 1: a chance exactly, That's what he's saying. It gives you
Speaker 1: a chance. Does that mean you're good as good or
Speaker 1: better than you were last year? It means it means
Speaker 1: you can be as good I've already said, I don't
Speaker 1: think you're betterrbacks on this team. It gives you a
Speaker 1: chance to like to keep yourself afloat. It doesn't make
Speaker 1: you a better But say, I don't mean I didn't
Speaker 1: mean to direct that at you. But like just on
Speaker 1: Twitter and and in the fan base and the league
Speaker 1: narrative since the playoffs ended is people as soon as
Speaker 1: this guy wants his money, they're like, this guy's not
Speaker 1: very good. Why would you want him. Anybody's saying that
Speaker 1: is uninformed that anybody in this room saying I'm not
Speaker 1: directing it at y'all. No, No, I'm just saying though,
Speaker 1: but we're acting like though. And I'm just trying to
Speaker 1: get a clarity here. I heard two really good opinions here,
Speaker 1: and I was I was thinking Nick was gonna stand
Speaker 1: there and say, yeah, give him twenty three and a
Speaker 1: half million dollars. He's saying give him twenty which they have.
Speaker 1: They're giving him twenty million dollars. Either what are you're
Speaker 1: comfortable giving him twenty three? Trade him or pay him?
Speaker 1: I don't care. But like I don't want to. I
Speaker 1: don't want to talk about that he's not that good.
Speaker 1: And again I'm not I'm not talking. I'm not direct
Speaker 1: I don't think anybody's saying that. A lot of people
Speaker 1: are saying that a lot of people, like none of
Speaker 1: us agree he's good. We all agree he's a really,
Speaker 1: really good player. My point just still is that I
Speaker 1: think the Cowboys have given themselves leeway because I feel
Speaker 1: like they look at it as if I got to
Speaker 1: go into next season and I've got Robert Quinn and
Speaker 1: I don't have DeMarcus Lawrence. I still feel like I'm
Speaker 1: as good as I was last year, and I'm hoping.
Speaker 1: I'm hoping my linebackers are better because they're one more
Speaker 1: year experience corners. Safety I brought in gives me a
Speaker 1: little bit more. We'll talk about him in the next segment.
Speaker 1: I feel like they believe they can be as good,
Speaker 1: at least as good if they change out those parts.
Speaker 1: Clip this out and save it. Okay, clip it out.
Speaker 1: We can put it on Twitter if they If that happens,
Speaker 1: if Robert Quinn's their centerpiece and Tank isn't on this team,
Speaker 1: it will go about as well as we don't need
Speaker 1: a number one receiver straight up. No. Yes, So you're saying, basically,
Speaker 1: Robert Quinn is Hearns. I think, yeah, Yeah, he's Hearns.
Speaker 1: He's a guy who can be a really good player
Speaker 1: if he's got a badass opposite him. Yes, that's what
Speaker 1: I think, because what you just kind of said was,
Speaker 1: you know, that's what teams do for quarterbacks. They get
Speaker 1: a backup quarterback in in case we don't have this quarterback.
Speaker 1: We got this guy in here and he can help.
Speaker 1: We hope that that's not the case. Now. I understand
Speaker 1: quarterbacks the defensive ends different because they both can play.
Speaker 1: But I'm just saying, I just don't know how you
Speaker 1: can say that if we don't have him the law
Speaker 1: and we'll have Quinn be the same, pay him, pay him.
Speaker 1: Then if that's true, if that's actually if that's your attitude,
Speaker 1: if that's that's your attitude, and you pay him whatever
Speaker 1: he wants, you pay him right because you're saying you're
Speaker 1: gonna be appreciated. Word is that you need to pay
Speaker 1: Quinn twenty million? No, no, no, no, we're just what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. What I'm saying. That's why I say you
Speaker 1: got a heck of a deal getting Robert Quinn for
Speaker 1: what you got him. Absolutely because to me, that keeps you,
Speaker 1: that keeps you where you were last year. Now, if
Speaker 1: you guys agree that you're gonna be appreciably worse if
Speaker 1: you don't have him on your team, that to me
Speaker 1: is the definition of break the bank to pay him. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I know. So in the y wouldn't be willing to
Speaker 1: give him that twenty three million said, I was, okay,
Speaker 1: pay him. I don't get here I learn they need
Speaker 1: to pay him. I mean, I think this is a
Speaker 1: standoff right now, the twenty three and twenty this is
Speaker 1: probably the exact reason why he has a miss signed
Speaker 1: is because this is the same conversation that's happening between
Speaker 1: his representatives and the Cowboys, and there are some clear
Speaker 1: arguments on both sides that are probably legitimate, and it
Speaker 1: just they haven't found a way to find the middle ground.
Speaker 1: We're in the rank of paying. Where is he on
Speaker 1: the on the levels? I'm glad I got I got
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Speaker 1: We're talking about this defensive end situation. I had no
Speaker 1: idea when I set out to figure out what we're
Speaker 1: gonna talk about today that we would spend this much
Speaker 1: time on Robert Quinn and Tank Lawrence. But I'm glad
Speaker 1: we did because I think it's a good discussion. I
Speaker 1: wasn't expecting you to slander Tank Lawrence, and I wasn't
Speaker 1: expecting you to slander Robert Quinn, but it happens. It's
Speaker 1: right how you guys started off not wanting to pay him,
Speaker 1: and then by the end of it you were so
Speaker 1: eight down that you are all having different arguments here. Again,
Speaker 1: like I just said, I just don't think that they're
Speaker 1: the same player right now. I don't think they might
Speaker 1: have similar traits, but I don't think they're the same player.
Speaker 1: Definitely not same for the upside and all that. So
Speaker 1: I but then again, this is not quarterback. This is
Speaker 1: the defensive end. And Stephen Jones said yesterday both it's both.
Speaker 1: We want left side, right sides screaming off the edge.
Speaker 1: You mentioned Steven Jones. Real quick before we get to
Speaker 1: Dave's hot take, we do actually have the audio of
Speaker 1: Stephen Jones talking about a hot trade. Let's hear what
Speaker 1: Stephen had to say about it. Well, I think, obviously
Speaker 1: defensive line with our challenges we've had with you know,
Speaker 1: with Randy, certainly, I think Randy's done it, you know,
Speaker 1: it's back on it and really doing a great job
Speaker 1: of getting himself to in a position where hopefully he
Speaker 1: can get back at some point and help us out.
Speaker 1: But with that unknown being there, and then of course
Speaker 1: having the same situation with David Irving, we you know,
Speaker 1: our pass rush and we're certainly don't have a DeMarcus
Speaker 1: Lawrence signed yet either. We really felt like we needed
Speaker 1: to shore that up. And of course the law comes
Speaker 1: off that left side just right end spot. With Randy
Speaker 1: being a question mark is a you know, it's a
Speaker 1: big deal to us, and certainly, uh, Robert's probably got
Speaker 1: a few more skins than Randy's been in the league
Speaker 1: quite a bit longer, but real important, as we all know,
Speaker 1: get pressure on the passer, and really felt like he
Speaker 1: our system. We were fortunate. I think the Dolphins are
Speaker 1: moving to a you know, a three four scheme down there,
Speaker 1: which really doesn't fit what Robert does. So just so happened.
Speaker 1: There was a good opportunity there, and I think he
Speaker 1: really fits uh Rod and what he's all about. And
Speaker 1: I think Robert really felt like that it'd be good,
Speaker 1: a good way to, you know, for him, because he
Speaker 1: wanted to play under a one year deal is get
Speaker 1: with Rod and felt like he could really really flourish
Speaker 1: at the right end spot and in our scheme. All right,
Speaker 1: That's what Steven Jones had to say. Not a lot
Speaker 1: different than the kinds of things we've been talking about.
Speaker 1: Obviously didn't get into a deep discussion that we did,
Speaker 1: but I did want to get Dave. You said you
Speaker 1: had a hot take on this whole thing. Why don't
Speaker 1: you wrap that up for us? It's really not it's
Speaker 1: not that hot. It's just football economics. But for all
Speaker 1: the gnashing of teeth and whining about tanks contract, I
Speaker 1: had sure as hell rather find a way to pay
Speaker 1: him than Zeke Elliott. Wow, that is a whole new show. Yeah,
Speaker 1: straight up. And what's harder? What I can't say that
Speaker 1: I disagree with you? What's harder to find pass rush
Speaker 1: running backs? Yeah? I agree? I mean you want to
Speaker 1: pay the quarterback the guy who gets the quarterback, the
Speaker 1: guy who catches the ball, the guy who defends the
Speaker 1: guy that's catching the ball, blocker in there's somewhere too. Well,
Speaker 1: those guys are already enough contract fortunately. But I mean,
Speaker 1: if i'm ranking them the big contracts, I'm going Dak
Speaker 1: one just because he's the quarterback. I don't he's not
Speaker 1: the best of the five, but he's the quarterback hardest
Speaker 1: to find, Yeah, Dak, Tank Cooper, seek Byron. That's my
Speaker 1: ranking which could find You think, No, it's a very
Speaker 1: hard position to find. But I just haven't seen a
Speaker 1: large enough sample size to feel comfortable dolling out that
Speaker 1: kind of money. Now, if he comes back this year
Speaker 1: and has a great year, including some interceptions that change
Speaker 1: your opinion, yeah, I'd have to revisit that. But I mean,
Speaker 1: let's let's be blunt, like the odds that all five
Speaker 1: of them get signed a long term. They can do it.
Speaker 1: I know they can, will they want. I'll believe it
Speaker 1: when I see it, because that's the other thing about
Speaker 1: this too, is I know you can, but I also
Speaker 1: know how they play hardball here and you can't franchise everybody,
Speaker 1: so you're gonna have to figure out how to get
Speaker 1: them all signed and without using the franchise tag on everybody. Right,
Speaker 1: let's play Devil's Advocate and as I mean, all right,
Speaker 1: let's say they like meet in the middle with Tank
Speaker 1: and it's like twenty one five. I mean, that's a
Speaker 1: huge chunk of change, you know, like it's only one
Speaker 1: point five more than he's than they we're gonna pay him.
Speaker 1: But you got to assume the guarantees are up there too,
Speaker 1: like you know, seventy eighty million guarantee. I mean, but
Speaker 1: that's not killing your cat though, right now, is it.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's still just it. We're still talking about
Speaker 1: your and what you're actually gonna have against the cap
Speaker 1: each here, right, it won't kill it. But throw that
Speaker 1: on with a deck extension and Cooper extension and kind
Speaker 1: of running out. I'm gonna save you a little money,
Speaker 1: isn't he He would say, if this year, if you
Speaker 1: did it, if you did it, But but you don't
Speaker 1: want to do it. You know, you don't want to
Speaker 1: cut if you say twenty one and a half billion
Speaker 1: for d law. But he only counts what ten or
Speaker 1: so this year. That means at some point there's the
Speaker 1: thirty sitting there it's coming at some point, so you
Speaker 1: don't you don't want to do it. Who's been more
Speaker 1: important to this team the last three years? Zeke Dacke.
Speaker 1: I think Zeke's number one for me on that list.
Speaker 1: If I'm ranking, I put Zeke. Yeah, and I think
Speaker 1: that's two different questions. I think over the last several years,
Speaker 1: you're right, Zeke has been the most important player that
Speaker 1: they've had. However, I do agree with Dave from the
Speaker 1: standpoint if you start talking about replacement value, the hardest
Speaker 1: thing to replaces the quarterback. The easiest thing in today's NFL.
Speaker 1: And I'm not saying it's it's a guarante it's not
Speaker 1: wrong to do it. You're gonna find Zeke. But the
Speaker 1: easiest thing in NFL to replace for relatively little is
Speaker 1: the running back position. And the guy who's the most
Speaker 1: likely to not be as effective as he ages is
Speaker 1: the running back. Right, DeMarcus Ware was getting ten sacks
Speaker 1: the season in Denver at like thirty three. You know,
Speaker 1: quarterbacks can obviously play till their forty. Tackles can play
Speaker 1: till their forty some some tackles, No, some quarter No, Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's a few. Yeah, there's a few of them. I mean,
Speaker 1: I mean, the the the age thirty cliff for running
Speaker 1: backs is a thing. It just is. And I mean
Speaker 1: Zeke's nowhere near thirty. I get that, but man, Zeke
Speaker 1: could be one of those special ones. That's the thing
Speaker 1: you also gotta allowed for years that there. I'm not trying.
Speaker 1: I'm just asking. Z Zeke is everything to this team.
Speaker 1: I know, but draft draft, I just draft another one.
Speaker 1: I just don't really like, um thinking about Dak being
Speaker 1: here without Zeke. Yeah, I don't. I don't. They drafted
Speaker 1: Zeke for Romo, did I know? You know, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I know it's like, well, they're hard to find a quarterback.
Speaker 1: But I don't know. But you know, that's also why
Speaker 1: I think's back there and you got and you got
Speaker 1: Amari Cooper, you got this offensive line. I think I
Speaker 1: take my chance and I'd like to do all of them.
Speaker 1: Don't put me in the I hate Dak, you know,
Speaker 1: although you can't. You can't have these conversations without you
Speaker 1: hate somebody, just like it just slipped off its Hey,
Speaker 1: it's just being real. List. Yeah, I just I see
Speaker 1: what's going on with Gurley, and everybody's worried about his
Speaker 1: knee one year into this mega contract, and I mean
Speaker 1: he was he's a stud and if that can happen
Speaker 1: to him, it can happen to Zeke. I mean they
Speaker 1: didn't even use him to the super Bowl. That there's
Speaker 1: there's something about that can happen that suggests to me
Speaker 1: that that that that all of this conversation still goes
Speaker 1: back to running backs just aren't like you can pay
Speaker 1: him a ton of money, but at any moment they
Speaker 1: can drop off a cliff and just not be a
Speaker 1: part of your still scored three points, so it's not
Speaker 1: like it's like they didn't even use Todd Gurley. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they scored thirty. They've been one thing. But I mean
Speaker 1: they needed to use him, or they needed him. I
Speaker 1: don't know if he was hurt or well, that's my point.
Speaker 1: The point is he sat on sat on the sideline
Speaker 1: for a lot of that game holding his helmet, and
Speaker 1: it's right. And my point is that if they only
Speaker 1: scored three points, that meant they needed him and for
Speaker 1: whatever reason they didn't use him, right and whatever whatever
Speaker 1: the reason is, So my point is you can pay
Speaker 1: sixty million dollars and with the running back position as
Speaker 1: Dave said, you just might be paying sixty million to
Speaker 1: somebody that's not a big You could say the Cowboys
Speaker 1: don't use certain players Tavon whatever they use Zeke, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: just they do just a bit. Yeah, And that might
Speaker 1: be the problem, and it might be what they're saying
Speaker 1: and your point. Going with your point, you look at
Speaker 1: the history of this franchise. You go back to the
Speaker 1: nineties when they had another running back of the caliber
Speaker 1: of Zeke and they tried to go that route of
Speaker 1: playing hardball with him. It didn't work out so well.
Speaker 1: They end up having to pay him and he ended
Speaker 1: up being worth that money. Right, So he was gonna
Speaker 1: he could be specialized if he wouldn't have nine more
Speaker 1: one thousand yard seasons in a row than right. And
Speaker 1: that's the thing that's the game you're playing here, is
Speaker 1: is he one of the special ones? Or is he
Speaker 1: one of those guys that after another three or four,
Speaker 1: two or three years he's kind of washed up? To
Speaker 1: circle that back onto Marcus Lawrence, Jerry Jones brought up
Speaker 1: Emmett on Monday talking about it. He was like, you're like, yeah,
Speaker 1: like these things get contentious, Like you know, Emmett Smith
Speaker 1: case in point, But it'll all work itself out and
Speaker 1: emit or business partners now and him and Diaz are
Speaker 1: hugging it out. Marcus, the markets, did it happened? The
Speaker 1: Marcus being mad that they won't pay him will not
Speaker 1: last if they do pay him. Yes, the business yeah,
Speaker 1: see that's but the amount of money, Yeah, that's that's
Speaker 1: the issue. I get it. I understand which to you.
Speaker 1: I mean, look, if like I said this on the
Speaker 1: last show, like if if it's gonna be like this,
Speaker 1: just rip the band aid off and trade him. Like
Speaker 1: I love, I love the guy. I love as a reporter.
Speaker 1: I love that he's always willing to speak his mind.
Speaker 1: I think he's a great player. But right in the
Speaker 1: locker room people talk about that all. I would rather
Speaker 1: just rip this band aid off than draw this thing
Speaker 1: out into into July. I'm with you, but I unless
Speaker 1: they find a way to get Nick Bosa or at Oliver,
Speaker 1: this defense won't be as good without him, even with
Speaker 1: Robert Quinn here just won't be all right. We're gonna
Speaker 1: take our final break when we come back, We're gonna
Speaker 1: take a little time. Grin has a little game for us.
Speaker 1: We want to get into that ask some some questions
Speaker 1: that may get to a little bit more discussion going here.
Speaker 1: We'll do that when we come bright back this Dallas
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Speaker 1: I will be rooting for you. Thank you, Ryan, you
Speaker 1: got a game for us. What what do we got?
Speaker 1: I do? I got some questions a couple of Maybe
Speaker 1: we got too, but maybe it'll tie into some of
Speaker 1: the things. Are you more excited about the Cobs signing
Speaker 1: or the Quinn trade? Well we know what Nick and
Speaker 1: Dave are gonna say, Well, well, no, it's the Quinn trade.
Speaker 1: I'm way more. I'm way more excited about the trade.
Speaker 1: If Tank is part of this team, that's my caveat. Okay, excited.
Speaker 1: How about you, Derek, I'm sorry, no quin Quinn trade
Speaker 1: for sure. I mean, even if the law is not
Speaker 1: a part of this team. I think it's a setback, yes,
Speaker 1: but I do think he will affect the team a
Speaker 1: little bit more than than Cob. I'm more excited about
Speaker 1: that tree. Yeah, I think it's Quinn. I think Quinn.
Speaker 1: I think I think you look at all the players
Speaker 1: that they've signed this offseason, I think all of them
Speaker 1: have upside potential. I think Quinn has the largest upside
Speaker 1: potential based upon what he's done in his career. Okay, guys,
Speaker 1: why do we feel like there's still a needed safety?
Speaker 1: Do we? That's an assumption? I do? I do? Yeah,
Speaker 1: because I mean, how do I want to articulate this?
Speaker 1: I think George Iloca could he could represent a step up,
Speaker 1: but it's not the slam dunk step up that everybody
Speaker 1: wants to see from this position. Uh. You know, he's
Speaker 1: he's started, He's been good a lot, like a lot
Speaker 1: of these guys that get though like his you know,
Speaker 1: recent trajectory is not great. And you know, and we
Speaker 1: never even talked about Loca because we got so wrapped
Speaker 1: up in Quinn. But look at the details of his contract.
Speaker 1: This is not a guy that I mean, this is
Speaker 1: a guy that you couldn't part ways with if training
Speaker 1: camp shakes out a certain way. But let me ask
Speaker 1: you this. I think what we've all felt around here
Speaker 1: is that they needed to particularly, they needed to do
Speaker 1: something on the back end. And and I don't because
Speaker 1: that's what Earl Thomas would have represented. Yeah, I think
Speaker 1: they feel like Woods is on the come and they
Speaker 1: feel like he's going to be an even better player,
Speaker 1: in which case is a Looca an upgrade as far
Speaker 1: as tackling exparent Because you you listen to fans, what
Speaker 1: they want to point out is that game against the Rams,
Speaker 1: you needed somebody to go up and make that tacture
Speaker 1: and you couldn't get that right. So if you can
Speaker 1: have that guy who is a sure tackler that can
Speaker 1: play in the box and Woods takes that next step,
Speaker 1: do you not feel like a Loca fits that bill.
Speaker 1: I think he absolutely does. And I think the safety
Speaker 1: position is better right now than it was when the
Speaker 1: season ended. But I'm not confident of that. You know, like,
Speaker 1: is there anything that gets you closer to that knowing
Speaker 1: that you only have a second round pick in the draft. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's about Yeah. If you make you feel better, if
Speaker 1: you can't cover like you really want in a dynamic way,
Speaker 1: then get your ass to the quarterback. And they did
Speaker 1: that with Quinn. So that's that's the thing. You can't
Speaker 1: fix this in then fix it. Then just beef this
Speaker 1: up even more. Get dynamic players. That's why we wanted
Speaker 1: Earl Thomas and and Eric Berry had a healthy and
Speaker 1: healthy you know, you want those players. If you can't
Speaker 1: get it, then get good, solid players and then try
Speaker 1: to find a way to make them better and they'll
Speaker 1: be they'll you know. And I think those guys in
Speaker 1: Seattle were great, but I think they were better because
Speaker 1: of those defensive you know, linemen and edge rushers that
Speaker 1: they had just rolling in there. Um and that made
Speaker 1: the Legion of Boom and all that. I mean, they
Speaker 1: were good, but I think it all started up front.
Speaker 1: In my opinion, that's a good and and they're definitely
Speaker 1: better because their pass rush is better. But and I
Speaker 1: don't want to throw dirt on I Loca because I
Speaker 1: like the signing. I think he could be good here.
Speaker 1: From all accounts, he's a great guy too. But playing
Speaker 1: Devil's advocate, can you one hundred percent convince me this
Speaker 1: isn't Will Allen exactly? I mean, you know, yeah, you're
Speaker 1: he's a vet minimum guy. You know they sign Will
Speaker 1: Allen was twenty thirteen, like he played in Pittsburgh with
Speaker 1: all the short players, like he'll do this, he'll do that,
Speaker 1: and he lost his job to JJ Wilcoxon got cut.
Speaker 1: So you can't convince me that that's not one hundred
Speaker 1: percent the case here, especially you know, you would probably
Speaker 1: feel better about this if they were to draft Jonathan Abraham.
Speaker 1: Oh absolutely right. Yeah, And before you get into the
Speaker 1: draft stuff, I'll just I'll set that up with Ilka,
Speaker 1: Cobb and Quinn all one year deals. They're all they've all,
Speaker 1: you know, been good players and they have a role here.
Speaker 1: But if the best guy on the board at fifty
Speaker 1: eight is a slot receiver, they can do a lot,
Speaker 1: or a pass rusher or a safety. None of those
Speaker 1: three guys are going to prevent you from doing that.
Speaker 1: They are in a great That's why I love all
Speaker 1: the movies that they may. They've given themselves upside potential
Speaker 1: while at the same time hitting positions of need, while
Speaker 1: at the same times freeing themselves to just draft as
Speaker 1: they want to draft under. I really think this is
Speaker 1: the best they've done free agency in the years i've
Speaker 1: covered the team. So it's funny because like a week ago,
Speaker 1: and I don't even know if you were on the
Speaker 1: show when we were weeks ago, I know I was
Speaker 1: so but patient. I'm just not a good patient or
Speaker 1: patience or not very patient. The worst, the worst patient
Speaker 1: you and death, Uh, what path would you take at
Speaker 1: backup running back, a VET or the draft? Jerry Jones
Speaker 1: like I should have thought of this. But Jerry Jones
Speaker 1: really opened my eyes because I asked him about that
Speaker 1: on Monday. I was like, you know, he said the
Speaker 1: same thing. Derek just said. He's like, well, we've set
Speaker 1: ourselves up to do this. We don't have any needs.
Speaker 1: And I was like, that's true everywhere, but backup running back,
Speaker 1: you haven't done anything. You don't have anybody, and he
Speaker 1: was like, that's true. We're looking at the draft, and
Speaker 1: also you can do stuff and free agency when the
Speaker 1: draft's over. And then I went and looked and I
Speaker 1: was like, holy crap, he's like t J. Yelden's still
Speaker 1: out there. Um, I like that move. Isaiah Crowell just signed,
Speaker 1: so he's not there anymore. But two and a half
Speaker 1: a million dollars dealing. There's there's six or set Jagi.
Speaker 1: He's still out there, guys. I know they're scared of
Speaker 1: his knee. Yeah, there's six or seven veterans that are
Speaker 1: still on the market. Um our guy from LSU, Jeremy
Speaker 1: Hill coming off in a cl so fat back from
Speaker 1: the Rams. He went from the Pats. So he went
Speaker 1: from the Bengals to the Pats. Yeah, now about oh
Speaker 1: c J. C J. Anderson. Wouldn't that be a story? Well,
Speaker 1: you know, he can't hurt you like he What if
Speaker 1: I watched him hurt us? No, no, no no. If
Speaker 1: he can't hurt you, if you sign, he's not, yeah,
Speaker 1: I can't hurt you, right. Um, So I think expect
Speaker 1: him to draft a guy day three and then they
Speaker 1: could even still add a guy after that, or you know,
Speaker 1: if if it just doesn't work out, then you could
Speaker 1: go sign a guy. Do you think they could? They
Speaker 1: could if they if they felt like that, if they
Speaker 1: if the guy was there. Would you go as high
Speaker 1: as second round to take a running back? Oh? They
Speaker 1: both are gonna they're gonna tell you an R word
Speaker 1: that they old me yesterday. Okay, Oh god, that sounds bad. Yea,
Speaker 1: What do I say on as a draft in the
Speaker 1: fifty eight at running back and use oh rich? Oh Rich? Yeah, Rich,
Speaker 1: wait too Rich? Just talents not there. That thing's gonna
Speaker 1: stretch when you get those two compensatory fours. The talents
Speaker 1: definitely there. But we picked up some picks from New
Speaker 1: England yesterday. Didn't two time all pro. I mean, you
Speaker 1: shouldn't need to draft in the second round. Well, but
Speaker 1: unless you want to sign. But as you just said,
Speaker 1: you want to get rid of you, Yeah exactly. You
Speaker 1: just said. You just said, I'm okay with them walking
Speaker 1: from him next year. And if you're gonna do that,
Speaker 1: you better get a running back on your contract for
Speaker 1: two more years. Well you prepare, he's round take fifty.
Speaker 1: I got him for two more years and I'll worry
Speaker 1: about that so you can. You can get somebody next
Speaker 1: year if you wanted to groom them. If this offensive
Speaker 1: line is as good as it's supposed to be and
Speaker 1: stays as good as it's supposed to be. I'll use
Speaker 1: pick twenty five on a running back in three years
Speaker 1: and I'll be fine, or even pick you know, sixties, whatever.
Speaker 1: I'll worry about that later. I get your Sony, Michelle, Yeah,
Speaker 1: go get my Nick Chubb in the second round in
Speaker 1: three years, that's fine. And but this year, I think
Speaker 1: fourth round or fifth round. They got two picks in
Speaker 1: the fourth and I just feel like one of them
Speaker 1: is going to be a running But there's a little
Speaker 1: there's a little bit of a problem with that because
Speaker 1: in two or three years, will your left tack will
Speaker 1: still be the right guy right might be replenishing that position.
Speaker 1: Those are future Dave's problems. Yeah, that's we'll worry about
Speaker 1: that one. I'll be listening to you guys that day.
Speaker 1: That's right. I want already coast, I'll be gone. You
Speaker 1: want else, I'll tell you what. I'd love to have him.
Speaker 1: They can definitely get. No, don't look Nick, don't look
Speaker 1: at the forty. Don't just watch this guy. This guy
Speaker 1: is tough. He is a tough runner. Instantly that instantly
Speaker 1: helps your your riz Right, he'll be there, He'll be
Speaker 1: there in the fourth and his dad will come out. Yeah,
Speaker 1: game hang out and the interview before the game. We
Speaker 1: have some I don't think cartilage grows back. I think
Speaker 1: there's some things going on. He might have gotten plastic surgery, though,
Speaker 1: I don't know he's got enough money. Yeah, yeah, what
Speaker 1: else you got for us? How about this? And uh?
Speaker 1: This was again another Quinn question though, but more bang
Speaker 1: for your buck? Jason Witten, Seawan Lee or Robert Quinn?
Speaker 1: Robert Quinn? What? No, what's the hidden part of that question?
Speaker 1: Because I feel like that's a set up question. No,
Speaker 1: it's not a set up question. Just more more bank
Speaker 1: for your button, more bang for your buck. Let's let's
Speaker 1: take it as as it's really said. Not the best
Speaker 1: player talking about eight to maybe ten millions. Yeah, Quinn,
Speaker 1: you spent money, more bang for the guys. You got
Speaker 1: Whitten on the three and a half, you got Quinn
Speaker 1: on an eight you got I thought Whitten was more
Speaker 1: like five Okay, five, right, I said three and a
Speaker 1: half incentives up to five or six. I'm gonna say Witten.
Speaker 1: Witten is gonna give you more bang. I mean he's
Speaker 1: he's in a catch sixty balls for like five sixty yards.
Speaker 1: I understand for the Bucklet, it's not your man A
Speaker 1: ton more for for Quinn. I still think quinns probably
Speaker 1: And if it's not Quinn, I would say it's probably Lee.
Speaker 1: My expectations are really good. Question work stupid. I didn't
Speaker 1: look at stupid. It was worded perfectly. Yeah, he's trying
Speaker 1: to do I would bet my life to debt, not
Speaker 1: my life. That's a lot. I would bet fifty bucks.
Speaker 1: Jason Witten's gonna catch somewhere between like fifty and sixty five.
Speaker 1: By the way, I would even guess that, I would
Speaker 1: say more less than that. Now he's coming off. He's
Speaker 1: not coming off the field. He's not coming off if
Speaker 1: that happens. If that happens, that's gonna be a problem.
Speaker 1: The guy who owns the team, he doesn't want to
Speaker 1: What if he's not what if he doesn't need to
Speaker 1: come out the field. That's but that's my point. Like
Speaker 1: I think that I think that they're gonna I think
Speaker 1: some of these other guys are gonna be better than
Speaker 1: the guy who owns the team. Was like, I gotta
Speaker 1: see it to believe it. I'm saying that he is.
Speaker 1: He wrong though, you just threw that in there and
Speaker 1: got cut off by Dave. You say you think one
Speaker 1: of these tight ends is going to be better than Witten.
Speaker 1: I think one of these tight ends gonna probably be
Speaker 1: better than Whitten. Which one, if I had to bet
Speaker 1: right now, this year? I think this year, and especially
Speaker 1: that in situations where you are specifically looking to throw
Speaker 1: the ball, I think Darwin will be a better option
Speaker 1: than Wait, I would like to see. And I think, yeah,
Speaker 1: I get it. And I'm not saying that, I'm not
Speaker 1: willing to bet my life, as Dave just said, I
Speaker 1: just I just feel. I just feel like, I feel
Speaker 1: like this year Win's gonna be He's gonna play a role.
Speaker 1: And the thing I loved about that signing more than
Speaker 1: anything else is it adds some veteran leadership to that room.
Speaker 1: That's what I'm more concerned about is how do you
Speaker 1: develop these young guys? And I think Jason will help
Speaker 1: develop these young guys. I don't think what he's going
Speaker 1: to provide on the fields necessarily going to be earth shattering, groundbreaking,
Speaker 1: you know, I think he'll do a little right, ask
Speaker 1: him to do something he's never done. I get that,
Speaker 1: I absolutely gets. But as he came back, I think
Speaker 1: he came back because he misses the game of football.
Speaker 1: I think he also realizes that there's not I don't
Speaker 1: think he necessarily looks as his future in the booth
Speaker 1: as much as he looks at his future in coaching.
Speaker 1: This is a step towards that. I think that's great.
Speaker 1: All right, let me rephrase there's regardless redirector that he's lawyer.
Speaker 1: I think he killed all days, so that was good.
Speaker 1: I agree with regardless of his role, I think we
Speaker 1: would all like Jason Witten's not hitting more than like,
Speaker 1: he's not topping like six hundred and fifty yards, like,
Speaker 1: no way, no way, He's catching more than fifty six
Speaker 1: every time. I was not just rocking about at nine yards.
Speaker 1: He hasn't had a thousand yards seasons since like twenty twelve.
Speaker 1: I think so yeah, So I mean thousand yard season though,
Speaker 1: I mean he hit him with some reg I mean
Speaker 1: he was hitting nine hundred ish for with some regularity
Speaker 1: for a while, getting the Hall of Fame. Probably he ain't.
Speaker 1: He's not topping like six hundred yards. My main point
Speaker 1: either way, Quinn's got the higher potential, Like I could him.
Speaker 1: I could see Quinn hitting eleven twelve sacks in the
Speaker 1: right scenario, so more bang for my But only though,
Speaker 1: if Marcus Lawrence is on this team, he's rewind back
Speaker 1: to he's not five minutes ago. He ain't doing that
Speaker 1: without without some help. I got you. Yeah, right, this
Speaker 1: is gonna be kind. This is just a young guy question,
Speaker 1: so only day can answer. No. No, no's a young
Speaker 1: guy question. Thirty now man, No, no young guys stars players,
Speaker 1: guy play a question. More excited to see Cedric Wilson
Speaker 1: or Chris Covington in camp? Chris Covington or Christian Covington
Speaker 1: because that's gonna be confused Chris Chris the linebacker? Yeah,
Speaker 1: oh man, they're both Christian. Like literally, I don't know
Speaker 1: how they're gonna I would just say Christian on you
Speaker 1: like the little yeah, um oh, I'm just probably Cedric
Speaker 1: Wilson because like, what does the sam and this defense
Speaker 1: really do? I mean, I don't know. I mean it
Speaker 1: might be a starter. I mean, okay, so what Damian
Speaker 1: Wilson was a starter? Like he'd start and then he'd
Speaker 1: come off the field, Like this is a starter. They're
Speaker 1: gonna play. They're gonna play Nickel like sixty five percent
Speaker 1: of the timeout Wilson gonna do go on the field
Speaker 1: and be there for an hour, and he's going on.
Speaker 1: That's my thing. I don't know that I'm excited about
Speaker 1: seeing either one because I don't think either one will
Speaker 1: play a significant you know what's funny both of them.
Speaker 1: The last two days I've seen him in the exact
Speaker 1: same spot in the lunch room getting chicken sandw whatever.
Speaker 1: Seeing the exact same spot, both of those guys, and
Speaker 1: they don't look too far apart from each other. And
Speaker 1: my only I'm kind of being, you know, tongue in
Speaker 1: cheek there. Cedric Wilson has definitely been in the weight room.
Speaker 1: He looks a little bigger, he does. He looks the part.
Speaker 1: He looked really kind of finish. But I'll tell you this,
Speaker 1: I'm the guy that films every single rep of training
Speaker 1: camp on my phone. Not out the window, right, No,
Speaker 1: not out the window, not out the window, just at
Speaker 1: training camp. Cedric Wilson, move on. Cedric Wilson is gonna
Speaker 1: give me, is gonna give me more. Cedric Wilson's gonna
Speaker 1: give me more to watch because he's a receiver and
Speaker 1: receivers are always the stars. A third guy in there
Speaker 1: to that list that I wouldn't mind. I'm kind of
Speaker 1: excited about I think Alumba is gonna be I think
Speaker 1: he's gonna jump something this year. Oh, there we go, Nick,
Speaker 1: because Cash and I we're talking about summertime stuff. That's okay,
Speaker 1: it's okay, how about this? But the last question, with
Speaker 1: two minutes go in the game, you're ready for this
Speaker 1: one day, I'm gonna direct this one to you. I'm ready. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Is there a point you'd pull the plug on the
Speaker 1: Lawrence steal? Absolutely? I mean yeah, if it's if he
Speaker 1: holds firm on this uh surgery stuff, and it's obvious
Speaker 1: that he's gonna miss time, I'm yeah. So what's your
Speaker 1: what's your drop? Did deadline? Let's assume it because I've
Speaker 1: heard this is usually like a four month recovery. So
Speaker 1: you just hit him hard, that's honestly what you drop.
Speaker 1: That's right, though, I don't think that's less. I've just
Speaker 1: seen big boy running around, you know not, but he's
Speaker 1: not actually moving at three hundred pound man, like a
Speaker 1: shoulder injury. You gotta move, you're talking about anto, Yeah,
Speaker 1: but if you're cleared to do some stuff that's run,
Speaker 1: that's not move A three hundred pound man. Okay, though,
Speaker 1: if DeMarcus is firm on not getting this surgery, and
Speaker 1: I mean I'm not privty these conversations, so it's hard
Speaker 1: for me to say. But like I would try to
Speaker 1: trade him draft weekend if there hasn't been any movement
Speaker 1: on this. Yeah, I mean if there's gonna be tough
Speaker 1: to do, but I mean, well, and what sucks what
Speaker 1: would you take for it? What sucks is the shoulder
Speaker 1: situation is going to affect what you give for him. So, like,
Speaker 1: I don't think you could get a first round pick
Speaker 1: for DeMarcus Lawrence right now. We were we were very
Speaker 1: optimistic in the draft show a couple of weeks ago
Speaker 1: where we were getting we got so much stuff back
Speaker 1: for him. We're not getting Like it's not happening. No,
Speaker 1: probably even if at that point because by draft again
Speaker 1: and going what Nick was saying, he may be ready
Speaker 1: for the season if he has a surgery right after draft,
Speaker 1: if he gets traded right it, I think would actually
Speaker 1: help his cause if he had surgery right now. This
Speaker 1: sounds crazy, but I think it would help him. In
Speaker 1: the Jones's eyes that Okay, he's committed. I agree, he's
Speaker 1: committed to Yeah, I think I think holding out, holding
Speaker 1: that over their head, I think is a terrible it'd
Speaker 1: also help his trade value, because that's the thing, if
Speaker 1: if if I wore a little bit like this, if
Speaker 1: the Cowboys an't willing to sign me and they're willing
Speaker 1: to trade me, I want to give them as much
Speaker 1: incentive to trade because that other team's gonna want me
Speaker 1: and they will pay me. If he was fully healthy.
Speaker 1: I don't think you could get a mac package for him,
Speaker 1: Like I don't think somebody's given you two first round picks,
Speaker 1: but I think I do know if they were oh sure, yeah,
Speaker 1: but I think you could get a nice package for him.
Speaker 1: But not as it is right which I would I
Speaker 1: trade him if I could, like if if the deal
Speaker 1: was good, I would at a certain point. But like
Speaker 1: I kind of start to get the feeling that for
Speaker 1: better or for worse, we're locked into this thing. Like
Speaker 1: Nick's right about it. I mean, you just hearted Stephen talking,
Speaker 1: and he's talking as though it's already done. He's going
Speaker 1: to be back, he said later on off the left
Speaker 1: and right, and he said later on in the interview too,
Speaker 1: that were as motivated as ever to get him signs
Speaker 1: and Nick, you said it earlier in the show. I
Speaker 1: really believe this is going to happen. I just I
Speaker 1: want him to get it done fast enough so it
Speaker 1: doesn't affect their ability to use last year as a springboard,
Speaker 1: because I'd know you here coaches say you got to
Speaker 1: start over all the time. I'm a big believer in
Speaker 1: there is an ability to use what you did last
Speaker 1: year as a springboard if you can bring in the
Speaker 1: right pieces to support the areas where you will weak
Speaker 1: last year. I will say this, you go out to
Speaker 1: a place like Phoenix for the owners meetings and you're
Speaker 1: just around people and you have conversations. The vibe, the
Speaker 1: sense that I get from talking to people is like
Speaker 1: this is a negotiation, like they are going happens. But
Speaker 1: a lot of times, you know, like you go back
Speaker 1: to the desk, things like, well we haven't talked to
Speaker 1: desen As people in months, Like there's nothing you know,
Speaker 1: Like it ain't that, Like they are going back and
Speaker 1: forth trying like this sounds like a negotiation, Like they're
Speaker 1: not just like screw him, We'll leave it till July.
Speaker 1: Like they're motivated. That's the sense that I get so
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