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Speaker 1: It is Friday, March twenty ninth, twenty nineteen, Season fifteen,

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Speaker 1: episode number two. Welcome to another edition of The Break.

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Speaker 1: We're alive from the s WBC Mortgage Studios and the

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Speaker 1: Star got Nick with me. Dave Brian's joining us again today.

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Speaker 1: Amber's out again this week. She'll be back with us

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Speaker 1: next week. But we've got a lot to talk about today.

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Speaker 1: Cowboys make a big move yesterday, and we're going to

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Speaker 1: get the opinions of this illustrious group of young men.

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Speaker 1: Tell us all about why this is a good or

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Speaker 1: maybe bad I don't know move for the Cowboys. I

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Speaker 1: don't think anybody. All right, let's start. Let's talk about

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Speaker 1: Robert Win. Yesterday, Cowboys complete the trade from Miami. I

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Speaker 1: guess first, Nickola the groundwork for us on the deal.

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Speaker 1: What did the Cowboys give up and what happened from

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Speaker 1: the standpoint of the contract a bag of chips and

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Speaker 1: they got a really good pass rusher Chetos. Now, no,

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Speaker 1: they got a Cheeto. No. I mean they gave up

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Speaker 1: which was a one year eleven I mean, he had

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Speaker 1: They're restructuring that. It's not going to be that, but

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Speaker 1: years ago. But he's a guy that I think instantly

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Speaker 1: it comes in as better. He's better than Taco Charlton

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Speaker 1: it's a move that they typically don't make, and I

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Speaker 1: See I disagree with that last I loved everything you

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Speaker 1: bank A six round. I mean they got Robert Quinn

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Speaker 1: risk that's an all in. I'm arguing semantics with you.

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Speaker 1: the guy that that's getting a conditional sixth round pick

427
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Speaker 1: in twenty twenty. Yeah, but that you can't you can't

428
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Speaker 1: judge you based on that. How many times do we

429
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Speaker 1: see how many times career point to this point? What

430
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Speaker 1: is left? Oakland Like, that's not a judge of this.

431
00:19:35,320 --> 00:19:37,520
Speaker 1: One guy plays right and the other guy plays left

432
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Speaker 1: in my right. But de Marcus l you hate that better? No, no,

433
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Speaker 1: but I'm just asking you. I don't Marcus Marcus would

434
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Speaker 1: be fine on the right he's a better run player.

435
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Speaker 1: He's a better player, better run player, a better player

436
00:19:49,840 --> 00:19:53,040
Speaker 1: right now, he's a better pass rusher. Yeah, I mean

437
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Speaker 1: we're talking about where he is in his career. Yes,

438
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Speaker 1: how can you say that that's not a big hill

439
00:20:00,320 --> 00:20:04,000
Speaker 1: of Well, one team's given an all sixth round picked.

440
00:20:04,640 --> 00:20:07,480
Speaker 1: That's that's irrelevant when you just finished saying you guys

441
00:20:07,480 --> 00:20:09,440
Speaker 1: just finished saying that the reason he went for a

442
00:20:09,480 --> 00:20:12,160
Speaker 1: sixth round pick is because there's a scheme change. You said,

443
00:20:12,200 --> 00:20:15,280
Speaker 1: because the coaches changed and they feel like for the money,

444
00:20:15,320 --> 00:20:17,160
Speaker 1: it's not worth it in a scheme where he doesn't

445
00:20:17,200 --> 00:20:19,520
Speaker 1: and for the for the what they're expecting him to

446
00:20:19,600 --> 00:20:23,119
Speaker 1: be in that scheme exactly. There's other four three teams

447
00:20:23,119 --> 00:20:25,560
Speaker 1: out there that weren't given. I'm just saying, I think

448
00:20:25,560 --> 00:20:28,280
Speaker 1: this is silly to compare him to d law. If

449
00:20:28,400 --> 00:20:30,600
Speaker 1: Robert don't have to, they're both gonna be here if

450
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Speaker 1: both go. If Robert Quinn was where he like, if

451
00:20:33,080 --> 00:20:35,760
Speaker 1: he was still on that level, it wouldn't matter. They

452
00:20:35,760 --> 00:20:37,639
Speaker 1: wouldn't have had to dump him. They would have gotten

453
00:20:37,680 --> 00:20:40,960
Speaker 1: way more for him. Just like the Raiders think you

454
00:20:41,000 --> 00:20:42,520
Speaker 1: pick up right now, you put a pick up to

455
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Speaker 1: Marcus Lawrence and you put him in a three four,

456
00:20:44,560 --> 00:20:46,320
Speaker 1: he's gonna be as effective as he was last year

457
00:20:46,359 --> 00:20:47,920
Speaker 1: in a four three. No, but a three four team

458
00:20:47,920 --> 00:20:49,840
Speaker 1: would give more than the Cowboys just gave for Robert

459
00:20:49,880 --> 00:20:51,879
Speaker 1: Quinn played in a four three last year. Let's not

460
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Speaker 1: act like he didn't play. Robert Quinn played in a

461
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Speaker 1: four three last year. Yeah, he did. He played. The

462
00:20:57,160 --> 00:20:59,840
Speaker 1: Dolphins are switching now, but he played last year and

463
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Speaker 1: he was rice and a half. And if the eight

464
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Speaker 1: and ten and a half ten and a half, Yeah,

465
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Speaker 1: and if they were staying in a four to three,

466
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Speaker 1: maybe they wouldn't be willing to give him up. That's

467
00:21:10,280 --> 00:21:13,680
Speaker 1: the point. It's a situation like that's the reason why

468
00:21:13,760 --> 00:21:15,720
Speaker 1: LA let him go is because they don't think he

469
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Speaker 1: can play in the three four. Yeah. I think we're

470
00:21:17,520 --> 00:21:20,520
Speaker 1: just dragging to Marcus Lawrence's name through the mud right now.

471
00:21:20,640 --> 00:21:22,760
Speaker 1: It's not and this is not honestly, this is not

472
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Speaker 1: against Marcus Lawrence. And I've been one of the biggest

473
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Speaker 1: proponents of the fact. I want them to get this

474
00:21:27,080 --> 00:21:29,119
Speaker 1: deal done because I feel like the step that you

475
00:21:29,200 --> 00:21:31,760
Speaker 1: made last year, don't make that be in vain, but

476
00:21:31,960 --> 00:21:34,520
Speaker 1: not getting better like that doesn't mean I don't think

477
00:21:34,560 --> 00:21:36,159
Speaker 1: they will be the same. That means I think you

478
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Speaker 1: have an opportunity to be appreciably better. Go be appreciably better.

479
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Speaker 1: I think they will be significantly worse. If arguably the

480
00:21:43,560 --> 00:21:47,000
Speaker 1: best run stopping defensive end in the league and a

481
00:21:47,160 --> 00:21:49,840
Speaker 1: top tier pass rushing defensive in the league is not

482
00:21:49,880 --> 00:21:52,520
Speaker 1: on this team, they will be worse. They will not

483
00:21:52,560 --> 00:21:54,720
Speaker 1: be as good. Yeah. I don't think it's a good

484
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Speaker 1: to replace him. And this is your twenty three million

485
00:21:57,119 --> 00:22:00,000
Speaker 1: dollars player in your eyes? No, he's not twenty three million? Okay,

486
00:22:00,480 --> 00:22:03,479
Speaker 1: what is it? What is what is he? He's twenty?

487
00:22:03,600 --> 00:22:06,840
Speaker 1: What is he? He's twenty because you franchised him. So

488
00:22:07,040 --> 00:22:09,439
Speaker 1: he's definitely twenty because you franchised him. That's what I

489
00:22:09,440 --> 00:22:11,280
Speaker 1: feel like. Hey, you guys want to pay him? Is

490
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Speaker 1: one of the top pass rushers and defensive ends in

491
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Speaker 1: the league. Yeah, yeah, you sound like you both are

492
00:22:15,920 --> 00:22:18,040
Speaker 1: ye twenty on them to give him six sixty guarantee?

493
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Speaker 1: No, no no, no, wait, twenty three five is the number

494
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Speaker 1: you in? We in let's do it sixty guarantee. Screw it.

495
00:22:23,280 --> 00:22:27,560
Speaker 1: Oh it's more than that. You just say it's screw

496
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Speaker 1: it because you don't. It's not my money, That's what

497
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Speaker 1: I'm saying. It's nick is he had twenty three and

498
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Speaker 1: a half million dollar year player for five years, not

499
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Speaker 1: twenty three. I'm now, are you arguing so hard about

500
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Speaker 1: this thing? Well, I mean you're comparing them to Robert Quinn,

501
00:22:41,840 --> 00:22:44,520
Speaker 1: who they just got far back of chips. I mean,

502
00:22:44,560 --> 00:22:47,600
Speaker 1: I'm just saying the saying that that he You can't

503
00:22:47,640 --> 00:22:50,679
Speaker 1: just say take Quinn for the law if you have

504
00:22:50,960 --> 00:22:54,320
Speaker 1: doubt he's not the best pass rusher in the league.

505
00:22:54,359 --> 00:22:57,320
Speaker 1: He's not. But that's been my whole he's not. He's not.

506
00:22:57,400 --> 00:23:02,800
Speaker 1: But guess what that's say you to Robert quarterback the

507
00:23:02,840 --> 00:23:05,000
Speaker 1: same thing, and he's gonna even in the top half

508
00:23:05,040 --> 00:23:07,119
Speaker 1: of the league, and he's gonna get money. That is

509
00:23:07,280 --> 00:23:10,120
Speaker 1: That's the game you play with the market, especially when

510
00:23:10,160 --> 00:23:12,280
Speaker 1: you tag a guy. I think the Cowboys are thinking

511
00:23:12,280 --> 00:23:14,200
Speaker 1: he's not a twenty three and a half million dollar player,

512
00:23:14,200 --> 00:23:15,879
Speaker 1: literally not, because they would have paid him by now

513
00:23:15,920 --> 00:23:17,639
Speaker 1: if that was the case, they would have just done it.

514
00:23:17,680 --> 00:23:19,119
Speaker 1: If they were like, well, yeah, you're the best, they

515
00:23:19,119 --> 00:23:22,160
Speaker 1: would be like, yeah, sure, here's your money. Yeah, so yeah,

516
00:23:22,280 --> 00:23:25,160
Speaker 1: which I'm not like, if it comes, if it comes

517
00:23:25,160 --> 00:23:27,960
Speaker 1: down to it, trade him. That's fine. Basically, the thing

518
00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:30,359
Speaker 1: that aggravates me is people sit here and try to

519
00:23:30,359 --> 00:23:33,880
Speaker 1: act like he's not a good player because saying that.

520
00:23:34,040 --> 00:23:36,880
Speaker 1: But no, seriously, who said he's not a good player? Right?

521
00:23:36,920 --> 00:23:39,680
Speaker 1: But I'm just saying I don't like the net better

522
00:23:39,720 --> 00:23:42,760
Speaker 1: off with Robert Quinn being here, if if, if, if

523
00:23:43,480 --> 00:23:46,240
Speaker 1: Lawrence wasn't here, having Robert Quinn at least gives you

524
00:23:46,280 --> 00:23:49,399
Speaker 1: a chance exactly, That's what he's saying. It gives you

525
00:23:49,440 --> 00:23:51,480
Speaker 1: a chance. Does that mean you're good as good or

526
00:23:51,520 --> 00:23:53,320
Speaker 1: better than you were last year? It means it means

527
00:23:53,359 --> 00:23:55,520
Speaker 1: you can be as good I've already said, I don't

528
00:23:55,560 --> 00:24:00,320
Speaker 1: think you're betterrbacks on this team. It gives you a

529
00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:05,280
Speaker 1: chance to like to keep yourself afloat. It doesn't make

530
00:24:05,280 --> 00:24:08,880
Speaker 1: you a better But say, I don't mean I didn't

531
00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:11,280
Speaker 1: mean to direct that at you. But like just on

532
00:24:11,320 --> 00:24:14,560
Speaker 1: Twitter and and in the fan base and the league

533
00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:17,680
Speaker 1: narrative since the playoffs ended is people as soon as

534
00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:20,040
Speaker 1: this guy wants his money, they're like, this guy's not

535
00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:23,199
Speaker 1: very good. Why would you want him. Anybody's saying that

536
00:24:23,280 --> 00:24:28,240
Speaker 1: is uninformed that anybody in this room saying I'm not

537
00:24:28,280 --> 00:24:30,640
Speaker 1: directing it at y'all. No, No, I'm just saying though,

538
00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:33,199
Speaker 1: but we're acting like though. And I'm just trying to

539
00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:36,680
Speaker 1: get a clarity here. I heard two really good opinions here,

540
00:24:37,119 --> 00:24:39,200
Speaker 1: and I was I was thinking Nick was gonna stand

541
00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:40,560
Speaker 1: there and say, yeah, give him twenty three and a

542
00:24:40,560 --> 00:24:43,600
Speaker 1: half million dollars. He's saying give him twenty which they have.

543
00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:47,040
Speaker 1: They're giving him twenty million dollars. Either what are you're

544
00:24:47,119 --> 00:24:50,080
Speaker 1: comfortable giving him twenty three? Trade him or pay him?

545
00:24:50,119 --> 00:24:51,840
Speaker 1: I don't care. But like I don't want to. I

546
00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:54,440
Speaker 1: don't want to talk about that he's not that good.

547
00:24:54,480 --> 00:24:56,160
Speaker 1: And again I'm not I'm not talking. I'm not direct

548
00:24:56,200 --> 00:24:58,200
Speaker 1: I don't think anybody's saying that. A lot of people

549
00:24:58,240 --> 00:25:01,320
Speaker 1: are saying that a lot of people, like none of

550
00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:03,960
Speaker 1: us agree he's good. We all agree he's a really,

551
00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:06,399
Speaker 1: really good player. My point just still is that I

552
00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:09,440
Speaker 1: think the Cowboys have given themselves leeway because I feel

553
00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:11,359
Speaker 1: like they look at it as if I got to

554
00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:14,480
Speaker 1: go into next season and I've got Robert Quinn and

555
00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:17,160
Speaker 1: I don't have DeMarcus Lawrence. I still feel like I'm

556
00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:19,000
Speaker 1: as good as I was last year, and I'm hoping.

557
00:25:19,359 --> 00:25:22,639
Speaker 1: I'm hoping my linebackers are better because they're one more

558
00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:26,119
Speaker 1: year experience corners. Safety I brought in gives me a

559
00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:28,119
Speaker 1: little bit more. We'll talk about him in the next segment.

560
00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:31,040
Speaker 1: I feel like they believe they can be as good,

561
00:25:31,119 --> 00:25:33,960
Speaker 1: at least as good if they change out those parts.

562
00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:36,480
Speaker 1: Clip this out and save it. Okay, clip it out.

563
00:25:36,520 --> 00:25:39,320
Speaker 1: We can put it on Twitter if they If that happens,

564
00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:42,360
Speaker 1: if Robert Quinn's their centerpiece and Tank isn't on this team,

565
00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:44,439
Speaker 1: it will go about as well as we don't need

566
00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:48,960
Speaker 1: a number one receiver straight up. No. Yes, So you're saying, basically,

567
00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:54,280
Speaker 1: Robert Quinn is Hearns. I think, yeah, Yeah, he's Hearns.

568
00:25:54,280 --> 00:25:56,480
Speaker 1: He's a guy who can be a really good player

569
00:25:56,520 --> 00:25:59,520
Speaker 1: if he's got a badass opposite him. Yes, that's what

570
00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:01,879
Speaker 1: I think, because what you just kind of said was,

571
00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:05,080
Speaker 1: you know, that's what teams do for quarterbacks. They get

572
00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:08,000
Speaker 1: a backup quarterback in in case we don't have this quarterback.

573
00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:10,280
Speaker 1: We got this guy in here and he can help.

574
00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:12,360
Speaker 1: We hope that that's not the case. Now. I understand

575
00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:15,440
Speaker 1: quarterbacks the defensive ends different because they both can play.

576
00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:17,760
Speaker 1: But I'm just saying, I just don't know how you

577
00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:20,520
Speaker 1: can say that if we don't have him the law

578
00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:24,159
Speaker 1: and we'll have Quinn be the same, pay him, pay him.

579
00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:27,119
Speaker 1: Then if that's true, if that's actually if that's your attitude,

580
00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:29,200
Speaker 1: if that's that's your attitude, and you pay him whatever

581
00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:31,280
Speaker 1: he wants, you pay him right because you're saying you're

582
00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:33,360
Speaker 1: gonna be appreciated. Word is that you need to pay

583
00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:37,840
Speaker 1: Quinn twenty million? No, no, no, no, we're just what

584
00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:39,800
Speaker 1: I'm saying. What I'm saying. That's why I say you

585
00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:42,159
Speaker 1: got a heck of a deal getting Robert Quinn for

586
00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:44,719
Speaker 1: what you got him. Absolutely because to me, that keeps you,

587
00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:47,000
Speaker 1: that keeps you where you were last year. Now, if

588
00:26:47,080 --> 00:26:50,480
Speaker 1: you guys agree that you're gonna be appreciably worse if

589
00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:52,639
Speaker 1: you don't have him on your team, that to me

590
00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:55,520
Speaker 1: is the definition of break the bank to pay him. Yeah, yeah,

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00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:57,920
Speaker 1: I know. So in the y wouldn't be willing to

592
00:26:57,920 --> 00:27:00,960
Speaker 1: give him that twenty three million said, I was, okay,

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00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:04,280
Speaker 1: pay him. I don't get here I learn they need

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00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:06,080
Speaker 1: to pay him. I mean, I think this is a

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00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:09,720
Speaker 1: standoff right now, the twenty three and twenty this is

596
00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:12,360
Speaker 1: probably the exact reason why he has a miss signed

597
00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:15,080
Speaker 1: is because this is the same conversation that's happening between

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00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:17,880
Speaker 1: his representatives and the Cowboys, and there are some clear

599
00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:21,680
Speaker 1: arguments on both sides that are probably legitimate, and it

600
00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:24,240
Speaker 1: just they haven't found a way to find the middle ground.

601
00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:26,399
Speaker 1: We're in the rank of paying. Where is he on

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Speaker 1: the on the levels? I'm glad I got I got

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Speaker 1: We're talking about this defensive end situation. I had no

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Speaker 1: idea when I set out to figure out what we're

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Speaker 1: gonna talk about today that we would spend this much

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Speaker 1: time on Robert Quinn and Tank Lawrence. But I'm glad

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Speaker 1: we did because I think it's a good discussion. I

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Speaker 1: wasn't expecting you to slander Tank Lawrence, and I wasn't

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Speaker 1: expecting you to slander Robert Quinn, but it happens. It's

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Speaker 1: right how you guys started off not wanting to pay him,

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Speaker 1: and then by the end of it you were so

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Speaker 1: eight down that you are all having different arguments here. Again,

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Speaker 1: like I just said, I just don't think that they're

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Speaker 1: the same player right now. I don't think they might

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Speaker 1: have similar traits, but I don't think they're the same player.

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Speaker 1: Definitely not same for the upside and all that. So

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Speaker 1: I but then again, this is not quarterback. This is

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Speaker 1: the defensive end. And Stephen Jones said yesterday both it's both.

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Speaker 1: We want left side, right sides screaming off the edge.

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Speaker 1: You mentioned Steven Jones. Real quick before we get to

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Speaker 1: Dave's hot take, we do actually have the audio of

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Speaker 1: Stephen Jones talking about a hot trade. Let's hear what

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Speaker 1: Stephen had to say about it. Well, I think, obviously

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Speaker 1: defensive line with our challenges we've had with you know,

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Speaker 1: with Randy, certainly, I think Randy's done it, you know,

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Speaker 1: it's back on it and really doing a great job

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Speaker 1: of getting himself to in a position where hopefully he

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Speaker 1: can get back at some point and help us out.

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Speaker 1: But with that unknown being there, and then of course

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Speaker 1: having the same situation with David Irving, we you know,

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Speaker 1: our pass rush and we're certainly don't have a DeMarcus

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Speaker 1: Lawrence signed yet either. We really felt like we needed

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Speaker 1: to shore that up. And of course the law comes

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Speaker 1: off that left side just right end spot. With Randy

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Speaker 1: being a question mark is a you know, it's a

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Speaker 1: big deal to us, and certainly, uh, Robert's probably got

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Speaker 1: a few more skins than Randy's been in the league

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Speaker 1: quite a bit longer, but real important, as we all know,

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Speaker 1: get pressure on the passer, and really felt like he

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Speaker 1: our system. We were fortunate. I think the Dolphins are

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Speaker 1: moving to a you know, a three four scheme down there,

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Speaker 1: which really doesn't fit what Robert does. So just so happened.

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Speaker 1: There was a good opportunity there, and I think he

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Speaker 1: really fits uh Rod and what he's all about. And

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Speaker 1: I think Robert really felt like that it'd be good,

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Speaker 1: a good way to, you know, for him, because he

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Speaker 1: wanted to play under a one year deal is get

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Speaker 1: with Rod and felt like he could really really flourish

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Speaker 1: at the right end spot and in our scheme. All right,

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Speaker 1: That's what Steven Jones had to say. Not a lot

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Speaker 1: different than the kinds of things we've been talking about.

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Speaker 1: Obviously didn't get into a deep discussion that we did,

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Speaker 1: but I did want to get Dave. You said you

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Speaker 1: had a hot take on this whole thing. Why don't

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Speaker 1: you wrap that up for us? It's really not it's

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Speaker 1: not that hot. It's just football economics. But for all

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Speaker 1: the gnashing of teeth and whining about tanks contract, I

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Speaker 1: had sure as hell rather find a way to pay

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Speaker 1: him than Zeke Elliott. Wow, that is a whole new show. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: straight up. And what's harder? What I can't say that

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Speaker 1: I disagree with you? What's harder to find pass rush

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Speaker 1: running backs? Yeah? I agree? I mean you want to

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Speaker 1: pay the quarterback the guy who gets the quarterback, the

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Speaker 1: guy who catches the ball, the guy who defends the

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Speaker 1: guy that's catching the ball, blocker in there's somewhere too. Well,

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Speaker 1: those guys are already enough contract fortunately. But I mean,

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Speaker 1: if i'm ranking them the big contracts, I'm going Dak

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Speaker 1: one just because he's the quarterback. I don't he's not

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Speaker 1: the best of the five, but he's the quarterback hardest

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Speaker 1: to find, Yeah, Dak, Tank Cooper, seek Byron. That's my

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Speaker 1: ranking which could find You think, No, it's a very

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Speaker 1: hard position to find. But I just haven't seen a

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Speaker 1: large enough sample size to feel comfortable dolling out that

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Speaker 1: kind of money. Now, if he comes back this year

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Speaker 1: and has a great year, including some interceptions that change

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Speaker 1: your opinion, yeah, I'd have to revisit that. But I mean,

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Speaker 1: let's let's be blunt, like the odds that all five

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Speaker 1: of them get signed a long term. They can do it.

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Speaker 1: I know they can, will they want. I'll believe it

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Speaker 1: when I see it, because that's the other thing about

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Speaker 1: this too, is I know you can, but I also

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Speaker 1: know how they play hardball here and you can't franchise everybody,

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Speaker 1: so you're gonna have to figure out how to get

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Speaker 1: them all signed and without using the franchise tag on everybody. Right,

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Speaker 1: let's play Devil's Advocate and as I mean, all right,

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Speaker 1: let's say they like meet in the middle with Tank

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Speaker 1: and it's like twenty one five. I mean, that's a

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Speaker 1: huge chunk of change, you know, like it's only one

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Speaker 1: point five more than he's than they we're gonna pay him.

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Speaker 1: But you got to assume the guarantees are up there too,

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Speaker 1: like you know, seventy eighty million guarantee. I mean, but

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Speaker 1: that's not killing your cat though, right now, is it.

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Speaker 1: I mean, that's still just it. We're still talking about

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Speaker 1: your and what you're actually gonna have against the cap

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Speaker 1: each here, right, it won't kill it. But throw that

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Speaker 1: on with a deck extension and Cooper extension and kind

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Speaker 1: of running out. I'm gonna save you a little money,

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Speaker 1: isn't he He would say, if this year, if you

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Speaker 1: did it, if you did it, But but you don't

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Speaker 1: want to do it. You know, you don't want to

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Speaker 1: cut if you say twenty one and a half billion

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Speaker 1: for d law. But he only counts what ten or

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Speaker 1: so this year. That means at some point there's the

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Speaker 1: thirty sitting there it's coming at some point, so you

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Speaker 1: don't you don't want to do it. Who's been more

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Speaker 1: important to this team the last three years? Zeke Dacke.

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Speaker 1: I think Zeke's number one for me on that list.

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Speaker 1: If I'm ranking, I put Zeke. Yeah, and I think

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Speaker 1: that's two different questions. I think over the last several years,

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Speaker 1: you're right, Zeke has been the most important player that

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Speaker 1: they've had. However, I do agree with Dave from the

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Speaker 1: standpoint if you start talking about replacement value, the hardest

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Speaker 1: thing to replaces the quarterback. The easiest thing in today's NFL.

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Speaker 1: And I'm not saying it's it's a guarante it's not

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Speaker 1: wrong to do it. You're gonna find Zeke. But the

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Speaker 1: easiest thing in NFL to replace for relatively little is

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Speaker 1: the running back position. And the guy who's the most

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Speaker 1: likely to not be as effective as he ages is

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Speaker 1: the running back. Right, DeMarcus Ware was getting ten sacks

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Speaker 1: the season in Denver at like thirty three. You know,

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Speaker 1: quarterbacks can obviously play till their forty. Tackles can play

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Speaker 1: till their forty some some tackles, No, some quarter No, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: there's a few. Yeah, there's a few of them. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I mean, the the the age thirty cliff for running

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Speaker 1: backs is a thing. It just is. And I mean

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Speaker 1: Zeke's nowhere near thirty. I get that, but man, Zeke

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Speaker 1: could be one of those special ones. That's the thing

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Speaker 1: you also gotta allowed for years that there. I'm not trying.

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Speaker 1: I'm just asking. Z Zeke is everything to this team.

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Speaker 1: I know, but draft draft, I just draft another one.

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Speaker 1: I just don't really like, um thinking about Dak being

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Speaker 1: here without Zeke. Yeah, I don't. I don't. They drafted

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Speaker 1: Zeke for Romo, did I know? You know, I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I know it's like, well, they're hard to find a quarterback.

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Speaker 1: But I don't know. But you know, that's also why

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Speaker 1: I think's back there and you got and you got

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Speaker 1: Amari Cooper, you got this offensive line. I think I

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Speaker 1: take my chance and I'd like to do all of them.

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Speaker 1: Don't put me in the I hate Dak, you know,

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Speaker 1: although you can't. You can't have these conversations without you

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Speaker 1: hate somebody, just like it just slipped off its Hey,

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Speaker 1: it's just being real. List. Yeah, I just I see

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Speaker 1: what's going on with Gurley, and everybody's worried about his

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Speaker 1: knee one year into this mega contract, and I mean

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Speaker 1: he was he's a stud and if that can happen

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Speaker 1: to him, it can happen to Zeke. I mean they

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Speaker 1: didn't even use him to the super Bowl. That there's

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Speaker 1: there's something about that can happen that suggests to me

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Speaker 1: that that that that all of this conversation still goes

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Speaker 1: back to running backs just aren't like you can pay

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Speaker 1: him a ton of money, but at any moment they

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Speaker 1: can drop off a cliff and just not be a

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Speaker 1: part of your still scored three points, so it's not

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Speaker 1: like it's like they didn't even use Todd Gurley. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: they scored thirty. They've been one thing. But I mean

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Speaker 1: they needed to use him, or they needed him. I

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Speaker 1: don't know if he was hurt or well, that's my point.

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Speaker 1: The point is he sat on sat on the sideline

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Speaker 1: for a lot of that game holding his helmet, and

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Speaker 1: it's right. And my point is that if they only

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Speaker 1: scored three points, that meant they needed him and for

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Speaker 1: whatever reason they didn't use him, right and whatever whatever

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Speaker 1: the reason is, So my point is you can pay

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Speaker 1: sixty million dollars and with the running back position as

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Speaker 1: Dave said, you just might be paying sixty million to

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Speaker 1: somebody that's not a big You could say the Cowboys

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Speaker 1: don't use certain players Tavon whatever they use Zeke, Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: just they do just a bit. Yeah, And that might

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Speaker 1: be the problem, and it might be what they're saying

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Speaker 1: and your point. Going with your point, you look at

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Speaker 1: the history of this franchise. You go back to the

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Speaker 1: nineties when they had another running back of the caliber

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Speaker 1: of Zeke and they tried to go that route of

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Speaker 1: playing hardball with him. It didn't work out so well.

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Speaker 1: They end up having to pay him and he ended

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Speaker 1: up being worth that money. Right, So he was gonna

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Speaker 1: he could be specialized if he wouldn't have nine more

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Speaker 1: one thousand yard seasons in a row than right. And

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Speaker 1: that's the thing that's the game you're playing here, is

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Speaker 1: is he one of the special ones? Or is he

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Speaker 1: one of those guys that after another three or four,

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Speaker 1: two or three years he's kind of washed up? To

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Speaker 1: circle that back onto Marcus Lawrence, Jerry Jones brought up

837
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Speaker 1: Emmett on Monday talking about it. He was like, you're like, yeah,

838
00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:56,640
Speaker 1: like these things get contentious, Like you know, Emmett Smith

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Speaker 1: case in point, But it'll all work itself out and

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Speaker 1: emit or business partners now and him and Diaz are

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Speaker 1: hugging it out. Marcus, the markets, did it happened? The

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Speaker 1: Marcus being mad that they won't pay him will not

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Speaker 1: last if they do pay him. Yes, the business yeah,

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Speaker 1: see that's but the amount of money, Yeah, that's that's

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Speaker 1: the issue. I get it. I understand which to you.

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Speaker 1: I mean, look, if like I said this on the

847
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848
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851
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852
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853
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Speaker 1: just rip this band aid off than draw this thing

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855
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856
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Speaker 1: this defense won't be as good without him, even with

857
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921
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Speaker 1: hanging in. We're still playing. Yeah, I'm not I'm not

922
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Speaker 1: bigrudging you. I'm I'm actually like giving a little love

923
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925
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Speaker 1: semi final in New York City. Right to go all

926
00:43:26,680 --> 00:43:30,240
Speaker 1: the way? Like rewarding our team for mediocrity is basically

927
00:43:30,440 --> 00:43:34,919
Speaker 1: your coach, like sixty two and sixty two. But the kids,

928
00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:38,400
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929
00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:40,359
Speaker 1: to you guys tonight. Thank you. Hopefully you get to win.

930
00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:42,279
Speaker 1: I will be rooting for you. Thank you, Ryan, you

931
00:43:42,320 --> 00:43:43,600
Speaker 1: got a game for us. What what do we got?

932
00:43:43,719 --> 00:43:45,879
Speaker 1: I do? I got some questions a couple of Maybe

933
00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:47,600
Speaker 1: we got too, but maybe it'll tie into some of

934
00:43:47,640 --> 00:43:50,160
Speaker 1: the things. Are you more excited about the Cobs signing

935
00:43:50,320 --> 00:43:52,440
Speaker 1: or the Quinn trade? Well we know what Nick and

936
00:43:52,560 --> 00:43:55,680
Speaker 1: Dave are gonna say, Well, well, no, it's the Quinn trade.

937
00:43:55,880 --> 00:43:58,960
Speaker 1: I'm way more. I'm way more excited about the trade.

938
00:43:59,120 --> 00:44:03,880
Speaker 1: If Tank is part of this team, that's my caveat. Okay, excited.

939
00:44:03,880 --> 00:44:06,919
Speaker 1: How about you, Derek, I'm sorry, no quin Quinn trade

940
00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:09,400
Speaker 1: for sure. I mean, even if the law is not

941
00:44:09,480 --> 00:44:11,480
Speaker 1: a part of this team. I think it's a setback, yes,

942
00:44:11,640 --> 00:44:13,800
Speaker 1: but I do think he will affect the team a

943
00:44:13,840 --> 00:44:16,439
Speaker 1: little bit more than than Cob. I'm more excited about

944
00:44:16,480 --> 00:44:18,440
Speaker 1: that tree. Yeah, I think it's Quinn. I think Quinn.

945
00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:20,080
Speaker 1: I think I think you look at all the players

946
00:44:20,120 --> 00:44:22,160
Speaker 1: that they've signed this offseason, I think all of them

947
00:44:22,200 --> 00:44:24,880
Speaker 1: have upside potential. I think Quinn has the largest upside

948
00:44:24,920 --> 00:44:27,399
Speaker 1: potential based upon what he's done in his career. Okay, guys,

949
00:44:27,440 --> 00:44:29,680
Speaker 1: why do we feel like there's still a needed safety?

950
00:44:30,640 --> 00:44:33,560
Speaker 1: Do we? That's an assumption? I do? I do? Yeah,

951
00:44:33,800 --> 00:44:38,759
Speaker 1: because I mean, how do I want to articulate this?

952
00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:43,080
Speaker 1: I think George Iloca could he could represent a step up,

953
00:44:43,120 --> 00:44:46,680
Speaker 1: but it's not the slam dunk step up that everybody

954
00:44:46,719 --> 00:44:49,759
Speaker 1: wants to see from this position. Uh. You know, he's

955
00:44:49,840 --> 00:44:53,000
Speaker 1: he's started, He's been good a lot, like a lot

956
00:44:53,040 --> 00:44:54,719
Speaker 1: of these guys that get though like his you know,

957
00:44:54,880 --> 00:44:59,000
Speaker 1: recent trajectory is not great. And you know, and we

958
00:44:59,160 --> 00:45:01,240
Speaker 1: never even talked about Loca because we got so wrapped

959
00:45:01,320 --> 00:45:04,080
Speaker 1: up in Quinn. But look at the details of his contract.

960
00:45:04,160 --> 00:45:05,880
Speaker 1: This is not a guy that I mean, this is

961
00:45:05,920 --> 00:45:08,080
Speaker 1: a guy that you couldn't part ways with if training

962
00:45:08,120 --> 00:45:09,960
Speaker 1: camp shakes out a certain way. But let me ask

963
00:45:09,960 --> 00:45:12,960
Speaker 1: you this. I think what we've all felt around here

964
00:45:13,680 --> 00:45:16,480
Speaker 1: is that they needed to particularly, they needed to do

965
00:45:16,640 --> 00:45:20,479
Speaker 1: something on the back end. And and I don't because

966
00:45:20,480 --> 00:45:23,480
Speaker 1: that's what Earl Thomas would have represented. Yeah, I think

967
00:45:23,480 --> 00:45:26,200
Speaker 1: they feel like Woods is on the come and they

968
00:45:26,200 --> 00:45:27,959
Speaker 1: feel like he's going to be an even better player,

969
00:45:28,040 --> 00:45:31,520
Speaker 1: in which case is a Looca an upgrade as far

970
00:45:31,560 --> 00:45:33,719
Speaker 1: as tackling exparent Because you you listen to fans, what

971
00:45:33,800 --> 00:45:35,720
Speaker 1: they want to point out is that game against the Rams,

972
00:45:35,880 --> 00:45:37,680
Speaker 1: you needed somebody to go up and make that tacture

973
00:45:37,920 --> 00:45:40,200
Speaker 1: and you couldn't get that right. So if you can

974
00:45:40,280 --> 00:45:42,759
Speaker 1: have that guy who is a sure tackler that can

975
00:45:42,840 --> 00:45:46,120
Speaker 1: play in the box and Woods takes that next step,

976
00:45:46,880 --> 00:45:48,960
Speaker 1: do you not feel like a Loca fits that bill.

977
00:45:49,160 --> 00:45:51,800
Speaker 1: I think he absolutely does. And I think the safety

978
00:45:51,880 --> 00:45:53,920
Speaker 1: position is better right now than it was when the

979
00:45:53,960 --> 00:45:57,640
Speaker 1: season ended. But I'm not confident of that. You know, like,

980
00:45:58,320 --> 00:46:01,040
Speaker 1: is there anything that gets you closer to that knowing

981
00:46:01,160 --> 00:46:03,680
Speaker 1: that you only have a second round pick in the draft. Yeah,

982
00:46:04,160 --> 00:46:07,440
Speaker 1: there's about Yeah. If you make you feel better, if

983
00:46:07,480 --> 00:46:10,640
Speaker 1: you can't cover like you really want in a dynamic way,

984
00:46:11,160 --> 00:46:13,319
Speaker 1: then get your ass to the quarterback. And they did

985
00:46:13,400 --> 00:46:15,719
Speaker 1: that with Quinn. So that's that's the thing. You can't

986
00:46:15,760 --> 00:46:18,160
Speaker 1: fix this in then fix it. Then just beef this

987
00:46:18,360 --> 00:46:20,920
Speaker 1: up even more. Get dynamic players. That's why we wanted

988
00:46:21,400 --> 00:46:24,440
Speaker 1: Earl Thomas and and Eric Berry had a healthy and

989
00:46:24,600 --> 00:46:26,919
Speaker 1: healthy you know, you want those players. If you can't

990
00:46:26,960 --> 00:46:29,200
Speaker 1: get it, then get good, solid players and then try

991
00:46:29,239 --> 00:46:31,279
Speaker 1: to find a way to make them better and they'll

992
00:46:31,320 --> 00:46:33,360
Speaker 1: be they'll you know. And I think those guys in

993
00:46:33,480 --> 00:46:36,160
Speaker 1: Seattle were great, but I think they were better because

994
00:46:36,200 --> 00:46:39,600
Speaker 1: of those defensive you know, linemen and edge rushers that

995
00:46:39,680 --> 00:46:43,200
Speaker 1: they had just rolling in there. Um and that made

996
00:46:43,320 --> 00:46:45,440
Speaker 1: the Legion of Boom and all that. I mean, they

997
00:46:45,480 --> 00:46:47,839
Speaker 1: were good, but I think it all started up front.

998
00:46:47,840 --> 00:46:49,920
Speaker 1: In my opinion, that's a good and and they're definitely

999
00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:52,840
Speaker 1: better because their pass rush is better. But and I

1000
00:46:52,840 --> 00:46:55,200
Speaker 1: don't want to throw dirt on I Loca because I

1001
00:46:55,480 --> 00:46:57,200
Speaker 1: like the signing. I think he could be good here.

1002
00:46:57,480 --> 00:47:00,439
Speaker 1: From all accounts, he's a great guy too. But playing

1003
00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:03,279
Speaker 1: Devil's advocate, can you one hundred percent convince me this

1004
00:47:03,400 --> 00:47:07,319
Speaker 1: isn't Will Allen exactly? I mean, you know, yeah, you're

1005
00:47:07,640 --> 00:47:09,960
Speaker 1: he's a vet minimum guy. You know they sign Will

1006
00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:12,279
Speaker 1: Allen was twenty thirteen, like he played in Pittsburgh with

1007
00:47:12,320 --> 00:47:14,680
Speaker 1: all the short players, like he'll do this, he'll do that,

1008
00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:17,040
Speaker 1: and he lost his job to JJ Wilcoxon got cut.

1009
00:47:17,480 --> 00:47:20,960
Speaker 1: So you can't convince me that that's not one hundred

1010
00:47:20,960 --> 00:47:23,040
Speaker 1: percent the case here, especially you know, you would probably

1011
00:47:23,080 --> 00:47:25,560
Speaker 1: feel better about this if they were to draft Jonathan Abraham.

1012
00:47:25,560 --> 00:47:28,400
Speaker 1: Oh absolutely right. Yeah, And before you get into the

1013
00:47:28,480 --> 00:47:30,880
Speaker 1: draft stuff, I'll just I'll set that up with Ilka,

1014
00:47:31,360 --> 00:47:35,680
Speaker 1: Cobb and Quinn all one year deals. They're all they've all,

1015
00:47:35,840 --> 00:47:38,120
Speaker 1: you know, been good players and they have a role here.

1016
00:47:38,440 --> 00:47:40,400
Speaker 1: But if the best guy on the board at fifty

1017
00:47:40,480 --> 00:47:42,879
Speaker 1: eight is a slot receiver, they can do a lot,

1018
00:47:43,000 --> 00:47:45,439
Speaker 1: or a pass rusher or a safety. None of those

1019
00:47:45,520 --> 00:47:48,160
Speaker 1: three guys are going to prevent you from doing that.

1020
00:47:48,239 --> 00:47:50,080
Speaker 1: They are in a great That's why I love all

1021
00:47:50,120 --> 00:47:53,200
Speaker 1: the movies that they may. They've given themselves upside potential

1022
00:47:53,400 --> 00:47:55,759
Speaker 1: while at the same time hitting positions of need, while

1023
00:47:55,760 --> 00:47:58,239
Speaker 1: at the same times freeing themselves to just draft as

1024
00:47:58,239 --> 00:48:00,200
Speaker 1: they want to draft under. I really think this is

1025
00:48:00,239 --> 00:48:03,160
Speaker 1: the best they've done free agency in the years i've

1026
00:48:03,200 --> 00:48:06,919
Speaker 1: covered the team. So it's funny because like a week ago,

1027
00:48:06,960 --> 00:48:08,160
Speaker 1: and I don't even know if you were on the

1028
00:48:08,200 --> 00:48:11,920
Speaker 1: show when we were weeks ago, I know I was

1029
00:48:12,360 --> 00:48:18,560
Speaker 1: so but patient. I'm just not a good patient or

1030
00:48:19,080 --> 00:48:23,600
Speaker 1: patience or not very patient. The worst, the worst patient

1031
00:48:23,760 --> 00:48:27,200
Speaker 1: you and death, Uh, what path would you take at

1032
00:48:27,280 --> 00:48:31,040
Speaker 1: backup running back, a VET or the draft? Jerry Jones

1033
00:48:31,160 --> 00:48:33,040
Speaker 1: like I should have thought of this. But Jerry Jones

1034
00:48:33,080 --> 00:48:35,680
Speaker 1: really opened my eyes because I asked him about that

1035
00:48:35,760 --> 00:48:37,680
Speaker 1: on Monday. I was like, you know, he said the

1036
00:48:37,719 --> 00:48:39,440
Speaker 1: same thing. Derek just said. He's like, well, we've set

1037
00:48:39,480 --> 00:48:41,720
Speaker 1: ourselves up to do this. We don't have any needs.

1038
00:48:41,840 --> 00:48:45,279
Speaker 1: And I was like, that's true everywhere, but backup running back,

1039
00:48:45,320 --> 00:48:48,360
Speaker 1: you haven't done anything. You don't have anybody, and he

1040
00:48:48,520 --> 00:48:50,920
Speaker 1: was like, that's true. We're looking at the draft, and

1041
00:48:51,120 --> 00:48:53,200
Speaker 1: also you can do stuff and free agency when the

1042
00:48:53,280 --> 00:48:55,000
Speaker 1: draft's over. And then I went and looked and I

1043
00:48:55,080 --> 00:48:57,919
Speaker 1: was like, holy crap, he's like t J. Yelden's still

1044
00:48:57,960 --> 00:49:01,600
Speaker 1: out there. Um, I like that move. Isaiah Crowell just signed,

1045
00:49:01,640 --> 00:49:03,440
Speaker 1: so he's not there anymore. But two and a half

1046
00:49:03,440 --> 00:49:06,560
Speaker 1: a million dollars dealing. There's there's six or set Jagi.

1047
00:49:06,640 --> 00:49:08,440
Speaker 1: He's still out there, guys. I know they're scared of

1048
00:49:08,520 --> 00:49:11,239
Speaker 1: his knee. Yeah, there's six or seven veterans that are

1049
00:49:11,280 --> 00:49:14,280
Speaker 1: still on the market. Um our guy from LSU, Jeremy

1050
00:49:14,400 --> 00:49:17,680
Speaker 1: Hill coming off in a cl so fat back from

1051
00:49:17,719 --> 00:49:19,880
Speaker 1: the Rams. He went from the Pats. So he went

1052
00:49:19,920 --> 00:49:22,680
Speaker 1: from the Bengals to the Pats. Yeah, now about oh

1053
00:49:22,760 --> 00:49:25,640
Speaker 1: c J. C J. Anderson. Wouldn't that be a story? Well,

1054
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Speaker 1: you know, he can't hurt you like he What if

1055
00:49:30,320 --> 00:49:32,520
Speaker 1: I watched him hurt us? No, no, no no. If

1056
00:49:32,560 --> 00:49:35,600
Speaker 1: he can't hurt you, if you sign, he's not, yeah,

1057
00:49:35,640 --> 00:49:40,520
Speaker 1: I can't hurt you, right. Um, So I think expect

1058
00:49:40,600 --> 00:49:44,239
Speaker 1: him to draft a guy day three and then they

1059
00:49:44,320 --> 00:49:46,600
Speaker 1: could even still add a guy after that, or you know,

1060
00:49:46,680 --> 00:49:48,439
Speaker 1: if if it just doesn't work out, then you could

1061
00:49:48,480 --> 00:49:50,120
Speaker 1: go sign a guy. Do you think they could? They

1062
00:49:50,200 --> 00:49:53,120
Speaker 1: could if they if they felt like that, if they

1063
00:49:53,200 --> 00:49:55,160
Speaker 1: if the guy was there. Would you go as high

1064
00:49:55,160 --> 00:49:57,360
Speaker 1: as second round to take a running back? Oh? They

1065
00:49:57,440 --> 00:49:59,520
Speaker 1: both are gonna they're gonna tell you an R word

1066
00:49:59,640 --> 00:50:02,880
Speaker 1: that they old me yesterday. Okay, Oh god, that sounds bad. Yea,

1067
00:50:02,920 --> 00:50:04,279
Speaker 1: What do I say on as a draft in the

1068
00:50:04,320 --> 00:50:07,160
Speaker 1: fifty eight at running back and use oh rich? Oh Rich? Yeah, Rich,

1069
00:50:07,440 --> 00:50:10,160
Speaker 1: wait too Rich? Just talents not there. That thing's gonna

1070
00:50:10,160 --> 00:50:14,160
Speaker 1: stretch when you get those two compensatory fours. The talents

1071
00:50:14,200 --> 00:50:16,239
Speaker 1: definitely there. But we picked up some picks from New

1072
00:50:16,239 --> 00:50:18,640
Speaker 1: England yesterday. Didn't two time all pro. I mean, you

1073
00:50:18,640 --> 00:50:21,080
Speaker 1: shouldn't need to draft in the second round. Well, but

1074
00:50:21,360 --> 00:50:23,600
Speaker 1: unless you want to sign. But as you just said,

1075
00:50:23,719 --> 00:50:25,320
Speaker 1: you want to get rid of you, Yeah exactly. You

1076
00:50:25,440 --> 00:50:27,560
Speaker 1: just said. You just said, I'm okay with them walking

1077
00:50:27,600 --> 00:50:29,040
Speaker 1: from him next year. And if you're gonna do that,

1078
00:50:29,080 --> 00:50:30,759
Speaker 1: you better get a running back on your contract for

1079
00:50:30,800 --> 00:50:35,279
Speaker 1: two more years. Well you prepare, he's round take fifty.

1080
00:50:36,040 --> 00:50:37,799
Speaker 1: I got him for two more years and I'll worry

1081
00:50:37,800 --> 00:50:39,759
Speaker 1: about that so you can. You can get somebody next

1082
00:50:39,840 --> 00:50:42,000
Speaker 1: year if you wanted to groom them. If this offensive

1083
00:50:42,040 --> 00:50:43,800
Speaker 1: line is as good as it's supposed to be and

1084
00:50:43,920 --> 00:50:45,879
Speaker 1: stays as good as it's supposed to be. I'll use

1085
00:50:46,040 --> 00:50:49,560
Speaker 1: pick twenty five on a running back in three years

1086
00:50:49,600 --> 00:50:53,120
Speaker 1: and I'll be fine, or even pick you know, sixties, whatever.

1087
00:50:53,200 --> 00:50:55,759
Speaker 1: I'll worry about that later. I get your Sony, Michelle, Yeah,

1088
00:50:55,880 --> 00:50:57,800
Speaker 1: go get my Nick Chubb in the second round in

1089
00:50:57,960 --> 00:51:00,440
Speaker 1: three years, that's fine. And but this year, I think

1090
00:51:01,280 --> 00:51:04,200
Speaker 1: fourth round or fifth round. They got two picks in

1091
00:51:04,239 --> 00:51:06,040
Speaker 1: the fourth and I just feel like one of them

1092
00:51:06,120 --> 00:51:07,959
Speaker 1: is going to be a running But there's a little

1093
00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:09,440
Speaker 1: there's a little bit of a problem with that because

1094
00:51:09,560 --> 00:51:11,680
Speaker 1: in two or three years, will your left tack will

1095
00:51:11,719 --> 00:51:14,680
Speaker 1: still be the right guy right might be replenishing that position.

1096
00:51:14,719 --> 00:51:17,479
Speaker 1: Those are future Dave's problems. Yeah, that's we'll worry about

1097
00:51:17,520 --> 00:51:20,080
Speaker 1: that one. I'll be listening to you guys that day.

1098
00:51:20,200 --> 00:51:22,800
Speaker 1: That's right. I want already coast, I'll be gone. You

1099
00:51:22,840 --> 00:51:27,520
Speaker 1: want else, I'll tell you what. I'd love to have him.

1100
00:51:27,560 --> 00:51:30,920
Speaker 1: They can definitely get. No, don't look Nick, don't look

1101
00:51:30,920 --> 00:51:36,000
Speaker 1: at the forty. Don't just watch this guy. This guy

1102
00:51:36,239 --> 00:51:40,440
Speaker 1: is tough. He is a tough runner. Instantly that instantly

1103
00:51:40,520 --> 00:51:43,400
Speaker 1: helps your your riz Right, he'll be there, He'll be

1104
00:51:43,480 --> 00:51:45,640
Speaker 1: there in the fourth and his dad will come out. Yeah,

1105
00:51:45,880 --> 00:51:48,279
Speaker 1: game hang out and the interview before the game. We

1106
00:51:48,520 --> 00:51:52,359
Speaker 1: have some I don't think cartilage grows back. I think

1107
00:51:52,360 --> 00:51:55,560
Speaker 1: there's some things going on. He might have gotten plastic surgery, though,

1108
00:51:56,040 --> 00:51:58,520
Speaker 1: I don't know he's got enough money. Yeah, yeah, what

1109
00:51:58,640 --> 00:52:00,600
Speaker 1: else you got for us? How about this? And uh?

1110
00:52:01,239 --> 00:52:03,960
Speaker 1: This was again another Quinn question though, but more bang

1111
00:52:04,080 --> 00:52:07,200
Speaker 1: for your buck? Jason Witten, Seawan Lee or Robert Quinn?

1112
00:52:10,120 --> 00:52:12,640
Speaker 1: Robert Quinn? What? No, what's the hidden part of that question?

1113
00:52:12,680 --> 00:52:14,400
Speaker 1: Because I feel like that's a set up question. No,

1114
00:52:14,480 --> 00:52:17,359
Speaker 1: it's not a set up question. Just more more bank

1115
00:52:17,440 --> 00:52:19,480
Speaker 1: for your button, more bang for your buck. Let's let's

1116
00:52:19,520 --> 00:52:21,879
Speaker 1: take it as as it's really said. Not the best

1117
00:52:21,920 --> 00:52:24,960
Speaker 1: player talking about eight to maybe ten millions. Yeah, Quinn,

1118
00:52:25,160 --> 00:52:27,600
Speaker 1: you spent money, more bang for the guys. You got

1119
00:52:27,680 --> 00:52:29,479
Speaker 1: Whitten on the three and a half, you got Quinn

1120
00:52:29,520 --> 00:52:31,960
Speaker 1: on an eight you got I thought Whitten was more

1121
00:52:32,000 --> 00:52:35,200
Speaker 1: like five Okay, five, right, I said three and a

1122
00:52:35,200 --> 00:52:38,400
Speaker 1: half incentives up to five or six. I'm gonna say Witten.

1123
00:52:38,880 --> 00:52:40,719
Speaker 1: Witten is gonna give you more bang. I mean he's

1124
00:52:41,239 --> 00:52:44,359
Speaker 1: he's in a catch sixty balls for like five sixty yards.

1125
00:52:44,360 --> 00:52:46,040
Speaker 1: I understand for the Bucklet, it's not your man A

1126
00:52:46,120 --> 00:52:49,360
Speaker 1: ton more for for Quinn. I still think quinns probably

1127
00:52:49,400 --> 00:52:52,359
Speaker 1: And if it's not Quinn, I would say it's probably Lee.

1128
00:52:52,880 --> 00:52:56,399
Speaker 1: My expectations are really good. Question work stupid. I didn't

1129
00:52:56,440 --> 00:53:00,680
Speaker 1: look at stupid. It was worded perfectly. Yeah, he's trying

1130
00:53:00,680 --> 00:53:02,920
Speaker 1: to do I would bet my life to debt, not

1131
00:53:03,040 --> 00:53:05,440
Speaker 1: my life. That's a lot. I would bet fifty bucks.

1132
00:53:06,000 --> 00:53:08,879
Speaker 1: Jason Witten's gonna catch somewhere between like fifty and sixty five.

1133
00:53:09,760 --> 00:53:11,319
Speaker 1: By the way, I would even guess that, I would

1134
00:53:11,320 --> 00:53:14,120
Speaker 1: say more less than that. Now he's coming off. He's

1135
00:53:14,120 --> 00:53:17,480
Speaker 1: not coming off the field. He's not coming off if

1136
00:53:17,600 --> 00:53:20,280
Speaker 1: that happens. If that happens, that's gonna be a problem.

1137
00:53:20,360 --> 00:53:23,120
Speaker 1: The guy who owns the team, he doesn't want to

1138
00:53:23,239 --> 00:53:25,320
Speaker 1: What if he's not what if he doesn't need to

1139
00:53:25,320 --> 00:53:28,000
Speaker 1: come out the field. That's but that's my point. Like

1140
00:53:28,320 --> 00:53:31,080
Speaker 1: I think that I think that they're gonna I think

1141
00:53:31,120 --> 00:53:33,440
Speaker 1: some of these other guys are gonna be better than

1142
00:53:33,560 --> 00:53:35,560
Speaker 1: the guy who owns the team. Was like, I gotta

1143
00:53:35,600 --> 00:53:41,840
Speaker 1: see it to believe it. I'm saying that he is.

1144
00:53:41,920 --> 00:53:44,600
Speaker 1: He wrong though, you just threw that in there and

1145
00:53:44,760 --> 00:53:47,000
Speaker 1: got cut off by Dave. You say you think one

1146
00:53:47,040 --> 00:53:49,240
Speaker 1: of these tight ends is going to be better than Witten.

1147
00:53:49,560 --> 00:53:51,239
Speaker 1: I think one of these tight ends gonna probably be

1148
00:53:51,280 --> 00:53:54,680
Speaker 1: better than Whitten. Which one, if I had to bet

1149
00:53:54,840 --> 00:53:59,720
Speaker 1: right now, this year? I think this year, and especially

1150
00:54:00,200 --> 00:54:03,719
Speaker 1: that in situations where you are specifically looking to throw

1151
00:54:03,800 --> 00:54:06,560
Speaker 1: the ball, I think Darwin will be a better option

1152
00:54:06,880 --> 00:54:10,359
Speaker 1: than Wait, I would like to see. And I think, yeah,

1153
00:54:11,200 --> 00:54:13,360
Speaker 1: I get it. And I'm not saying that, I'm not

1154
00:54:13,480 --> 00:54:15,920
Speaker 1: willing to bet my life, as Dave just said, I

1155
00:54:16,040 --> 00:54:18,680
Speaker 1: just I just feel. I just feel like, I feel

1156
00:54:18,719 --> 00:54:21,319
Speaker 1: like this year Win's gonna be He's gonna play a role.

1157
00:54:21,600 --> 00:54:23,759
Speaker 1: And the thing I loved about that signing more than

1158
00:54:23,800 --> 00:54:27,279
Speaker 1: anything else is it adds some veteran leadership to that room.

1159
00:54:27,800 --> 00:54:29,440
Speaker 1: That's what I'm more concerned about is how do you

1160
00:54:29,520 --> 00:54:31,400
Speaker 1: develop these young guys? And I think Jason will help

1161
00:54:31,440 --> 00:54:33,920
Speaker 1: develop these young guys. I don't think what he's going

1162
00:54:33,960 --> 00:54:36,960
Speaker 1: to provide on the fields necessarily going to be earth shattering, groundbreaking,

1163
00:54:37,440 --> 00:54:39,480
Speaker 1: you know, I think he'll do a little right, ask

1164
00:54:39,640 --> 00:54:43,239
Speaker 1: him to do something he's never done. I get that,

1165
00:54:43,400 --> 00:54:46,920
Speaker 1: I absolutely gets. But as he came back, I think

1166
00:54:46,960 --> 00:54:48,880
Speaker 1: he came back because he misses the game of football.

1167
00:54:48,920 --> 00:54:52,120
Speaker 1: I think he also realizes that there's not I don't

1168
00:54:52,160 --> 00:54:54,680
Speaker 1: think he necessarily looks as his future in the booth

1169
00:54:54,760 --> 00:54:56,600
Speaker 1: as much as he looks at his future in coaching.

1170
00:54:56,840 --> 00:54:59,080
Speaker 1: This is a step towards that. I think that's great.

1171
00:54:59,680 --> 00:55:05,640
Speaker 1: All right, let me rephrase there's regardless redirector that he's lawyer.

1172
00:55:05,719 --> 00:55:07,600
Speaker 1: I think he killed all days, so that was good.

1173
00:55:07,640 --> 00:55:13,000
Speaker 1: I agree with regardless of his role, I think we

1174
00:55:13,040 --> 00:55:15,880
Speaker 1: would all like Jason Witten's not hitting more than like,

1175
00:55:16,360 --> 00:55:19,239
Speaker 1: he's not topping like six hundred and fifty yards, like,

1176
00:55:19,400 --> 00:55:22,160
Speaker 1: no way, no way, He's catching more than fifty six

1177
00:55:22,440 --> 00:55:24,759
Speaker 1: every time. I was not just rocking about at nine yards.

1178
00:55:25,320 --> 00:55:27,680
Speaker 1: He hasn't had a thousand yards seasons since like twenty twelve.

1179
00:55:27,719 --> 00:55:31,759
Speaker 1: I think so yeah, So I mean thousand yard season though,

1180
00:55:32,040 --> 00:55:35,600
Speaker 1: I mean he hit him with some reg I mean

1181
00:55:35,640 --> 00:55:38,520
Speaker 1: he was hitting nine hundred ish for with some regularity

1182
00:55:38,520 --> 00:55:40,720
Speaker 1: for a while, getting the Hall of Fame. Probably he ain't.

1183
00:55:40,960 --> 00:55:43,440
Speaker 1: He's not topping like six hundred yards. My main point

1184
00:55:44,239 --> 00:55:47,960
Speaker 1: either way, Quinn's got the higher potential, Like I could him.

1185
00:55:48,000 --> 00:55:50,239
Speaker 1: I could see Quinn hitting eleven twelve sacks in the

1186
00:55:50,360 --> 00:55:53,040
Speaker 1: right scenario, so more bang for my But only though,

1187
00:55:53,120 --> 00:55:56,440
Speaker 1: if Marcus Lawrence is on this team, he's rewind back

1188
00:55:56,640 --> 00:55:59,239
Speaker 1: to he's not five minutes ago. He ain't doing that

1189
00:55:59,520 --> 00:56:02,120
Speaker 1: without without some help. I got you. Yeah, right, this

1190
00:56:02,320 --> 00:56:04,200
Speaker 1: is gonna be kind. This is just a young guy question,

1191
00:56:04,920 --> 00:56:06,680
Speaker 1: so only day can answer. No. No, no's a young

1192
00:56:06,719 --> 00:56:10,160
Speaker 1: guy question. Thirty now man, No, no young guys stars players,

1193
00:56:10,560 --> 00:56:13,640
Speaker 1: guy play a question. More excited to see Cedric Wilson

1194
00:56:13,840 --> 00:56:17,720
Speaker 1: or Chris Covington in camp? Chris Covington or Christian Covington

1195
00:56:17,760 --> 00:56:21,000
Speaker 1: because that's gonna be confused Chris Chris the linebacker? Yeah,

1196
00:56:21,239 --> 00:56:24,000
Speaker 1: oh man, they're both Christian. Like literally, I don't know

1197
00:56:24,120 --> 00:56:26,160
Speaker 1: how they're gonna I would just say Christian on you

1198
00:56:28,360 --> 00:56:35,720
Speaker 1: like the little yeah, um oh, I'm just probably Cedric

1199
00:56:35,760 --> 00:56:39,080
Speaker 1: Wilson because like, what does the sam and this defense

1200
00:56:39,239 --> 00:56:40,759
Speaker 1: really do? I mean, I don't know. I mean it

1201
00:56:40,800 --> 00:56:43,080
Speaker 1: might be a starter. I mean, okay, so what Damian

1202
00:56:43,120 --> 00:56:45,200
Speaker 1: Wilson was a starter? Like he'd start and then he'd

1203
00:56:45,280 --> 00:56:48,000
Speaker 1: come off the field, Like this is a starter. They're

1204
00:56:48,040 --> 00:56:50,680
Speaker 1: gonna play. They're gonna play Nickel like sixty five percent

1205
00:56:50,719 --> 00:56:53,359
Speaker 1: of the timeout Wilson gonna do go on the field

1206
00:56:53,400 --> 00:56:55,040
Speaker 1: and be there for an hour, and he's going on.

1207
00:56:56,080 --> 00:56:58,080
Speaker 1: That's my thing. I don't know that I'm excited about

1208
00:56:58,160 --> 00:56:59,920
Speaker 1: seeing either one because I don't think either one will

1209
00:57:00,000 --> 00:57:02,279
Speaker 1: play a significant you know what's funny both of them.

1210
00:57:02,360 --> 00:57:04,160
Speaker 1: The last two days I've seen him in the exact

1211
00:57:04,200 --> 00:57:07,359
Speaker 1: same spot in the lunch room getting chicken sandw whatever.

1212
00:57:07,400 --> 00:57:09,640
Speaker 1: Seeing the exact same spot, both of those guys, and

1213
00:57:09,960 --> 00:57:12,200
Speaker 1: they don't look too far apart from each other. And

1214
00:57:12,440 --> 00:57:14,840
Speaker 1: my only I'm kind of being, you know, tongue in

1215
00:57:14,920 --> 00:57:17,880
Speaker 1: cheek there. Cedric Wilson has definitely been in the weight room.

1216
00:57:18,000 --> 00:57:22,040
Speaker 1: He looks a little bigger, he does. He looks the part.

1217
00:57:22,120 --> 00:57:25,320
Speaker 1: He looked really kind of finish. But I'll tell you this,

1218
00:57:25,560 --> 00:57:28,440
Speaker 1: I'm the guy that films every single rep of training

1219
00:57:28,480 --> 00:57:30,840
Speaker 1: camp on my phone. Not out the window, right, No,

1220
00:57:31,040 --> 00:57:33,280
Speaker 1: not out the window, not out the window, just at

1221
00:57:33,320 --> 00:57:38,720
Speaker 1: training camp. Cedric Wilson, move on. Cedric Wilson is gonna

1222
00:57:38,840 --> 00:57:42,000
Speaker 1: give me, is gonna give me more. Cedric Wilson's gonna

1223
00:57:42,040 --> 00:57:44,120
Speaker 1: give me more to watch because he's a receiver and

1224
00:57:44,360 --> 00:57:47,000
Speaker 1: receivers are always the stars. A third guy in there

1225
00:57:47,280 --> 00:57:49,480
Speaker 1: to that list that I wouldn't mind. I'm kind of

1226
00:57:49,560 --> 00:57:53,040
Speaker 1: excited about I think Alumba is gonna be I think

1227
00:57:53,080 --> 00:57:59,320
Speaker 1: he's gonna jump something this year. Oh, there we go, Nick,

1228
00:58:00,080 --> 00:58:04,760
Speaker 1: because Cash and I we're talking about summertime stuff. That's okay,

1229
00:58:04,840 --> 00:58:06,840
Speaker 1: it's okay, how about this? But the last question, with

1230
00:58:06,920 --> 00:58:09,240
Speaker 1: two minutes go in the game, you're ready for this

1231
00:58:09,320 --> 00:58:11,640
Speaker 1: one day, I'm gonna direct this one to you. I'm ready. Yeah.

1232
00:58:11,800 --> 00:58:13,400
Speaker 1: Is there a point you'd pull the plug on the

1233
00:58:13,480 --> 00:58:16,680
Speaker 1: Lawrence steal? Absolutely? I mean yeah, if it's if he

1234
00:58:16,920 --> 00:58:21,040
Speaker 1: holds firm on this uh surgery stuff, and it's obvious

1235
00:58:21,160 --> 00:58:23,960
Speaker 1: that he's gonna miss time, I'm yeah. So what's your

1236
00:58:24,200 --> 00:58:26,960
Speaker 1: what's your drop? Did deadline? Let's assume it because I've

1237
00:58:27,000 --> 00:58:29,800
Speaker 1: heard this is usually like a four month recovery. So

1238
00:58:30,040 --> 00:58:33,520
Speaker 1: you just hit him hard, that's honestly what you drop.

1239
00:58:33,960 --> 00:58:36,320
Speaker 1: That's right, though, I don't think that's less. I've just

1240
00:58:36,440 --> 00:58:40,439
Speaker 1: seen big boy running around, you know not, but he's

1241
00:58:40,480 --> 00:58:43,520
Speaker 1: not actually moving at three hundred pound man, like a

1242
00:58:43,680 --> 00:58:46,760
Speaker 1: shoulder injury. You gotta move, you're talking about anto, Yeah,

1243
00:58:46,760 --> 00:58:48,920
Speaker 1: but if you're cleared to do some stuff that's run,

1244
00:58:49,360 --> 00:58:53,240
Speaker 1: that's not move A three hundred pound man. Okay, though,

1245
00:58:53,440 --> 00:58:56,640
Speaker 1: if DeMarcus is firm on not getting this surgery, and

1246
00:58:56,920 --> 00:58:59,280
Speaker 1: I mean I'm not privty these conversations, so it's hard

1247
00:58:59,320 --> 00:59:01,080
Speaker 1: for me to say. But like I would try to

1248
00:59:01,120 --> 00:59:03,640
Speaker 1: trade him draft weekend if there hasn't been any movement

1249
00:59:03,880 --> 00:59:06,080
Speaker 1: on this. Yeah, I mean if there's gonna be tough

1250
00:59:06,120 --> 00:59:08,640
Speaker 1: to do, but I mean, well, and what sucks what

1251
00:59:08,720 --> 00:59:11,760
Speaker 1: would you take for it? What sucks is the shoulder

1252
00:59:11,840 --> 00:59:13,920
Speaker 1: situation is going to affect what you give for him. So, like,

1253
00:59:14,000 --> 00:59:15,720
Speaker 1: I don't think you could get a first round pick

1254
00:59:15,760 --> 00:59:17,880
Speaker 1: for DeMarcus Lawrence right now. We were we were very

1255
00:59:17,920 --> 00:59:20,040
Speaker 1: optimistic in the draft show a couple of weeks ago

1256
00:59:20,280 --> 00:59:22,640
Speaker 1: where we were getting we got so much stuff back

1257
00:59:22,720 --> 00:59:25,160
Speaker 1: for him. We're not getting Like it's not happening. No,

1258
00:59:25,360 --> 00:59:30,120
Speaker 1: probably even if at that point because by draft again

1259
00:59:30,160 --> 00:59:32,360
Speaker 1: and going what Nick was saying, he may be ready

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Speaker 1: for the season if he has a surgery right after draft,

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Speaker 1: if he gets traded right it, I think would actually

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Speaker 1: help his cause if he had surgery right now. This

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Speaker 1: sounds crazy, but I think it would help him. In

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Speaker 1: the Jones's eyes that Okay, he's committed. I agree, he's

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Speaker 1: committed to Yeah, I think I think holding out, holding

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Speaker 1: that over their head, I think is a terrible it'd

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Speaker 1: also help his trade value, because that's the thing, if

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Speaker 1: if if I wore a little bit like this, if

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Speaker 1: the Cowboys an't willing to sign me and they're willing

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Speaker 1: to trade me, I want to give them as much

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Speaker 1: incentive to trade because that other team's gonna want me

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Speaker 1: and they will pay me. If he was fully healthy.

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Speaker 1: I don't think you could get a mac package for him,

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Speaker 1: Like I don't think somebody's given you two first round picks,

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Speaker 1: but I think I do know if they were oh sure, yeah,

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Speaker 1: but I think you could get a nice package for him.

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Speaker 1: But not as it is right which I would I

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Speaker 1: trade him if I could, like if if the deal

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Speaker 1: was good, I would at a certain point. But like

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Speaker 1: I kind of start to get the feeling that for

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Speaker 1: better or for worse, we're locked into this thing. Like

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Speaker 1: Nick's right about it. I mean, you just hearted Stephen talking,

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Speaker 1: and he's talking as though it's already done. He's going

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Speaker 1: to be back, he said later on off the left

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Speaker 1: and right, and he said later on in the interview too,

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Speaker 1: that were as motivated as ever to get him signs

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Speaker 1: and Nick, you said it earlier in the show. I

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Speaker 1: really believe this is going to happen. I just I

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Speaker 1: want him to get it done fast enough so it

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Speaker 1: doesn't affect their ability to use last year as a springboard,

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Speaker 1: because I'd know you here coaches say you got to

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Speaker 1: start over all the time. I'm a big believer in

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01:00:51,600 --> 01:00:53,960
Speaker 1: there is an ability to use what you did last

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01:00:54,040 --> 01:00:55,800
Speaker 1: year as a springboard if you can bring in the

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01:00:55,920 --> 01:00:58,320
Speaker 1: right pieces to support the areas where you will weak

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Speaker 1: last year. I will say this, you go out to

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Speaker 1: a place like Phoenix for the owners meetings and you're

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Speaker 1: just around people and you have conversations. The vibe, the

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Speaker 1: sense that I get from talking to people is like

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Speaker 1: this is a negotiation, like they are going happens. But

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Speaker 1: a lot of times, you know, like you go back

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Speaker 1: to the desk, things like, well we haven't talked to

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01:01:17,200 --> 01:01:19,280
Speaker 1: desen As people in months, Like there's nothing you know,

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Speaker 1: Like it ain't that, Like they are going back and

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Speaker 1: forth trying like this sounds like a negotiation, Like they're

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Speaker 1: not just like screw him, We'll leave it till July.

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Speaker 1: Like they're motivated. That's the sense that I get so

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Speaker 1: at least there's that. We appreciate you guys joining us.

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Speaker 1: We'll be back on our normal time next wins. Absha

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Speaker 1: backups at that point until then for Nick Eatman, Dave

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Speaker 1: Helm and Brian brought us on Derek Eagles and this

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Speaker 1: has been the Break live on Dallas Cowboys dot Com Radio.

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