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Speaker 1: Hell, Hello, Hello, and welcome to Rewind with Karen and Georgia.

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Speaker 2: This is that show where we recap our early episodes

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Speaker 2: with case updates and hot take revisions and all the

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Speaker 2: unlocked memories we can muster.

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Speaker 1: Today we're rewinding to episode ninety five, which we named Jesus,

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Speaker 1: which doesn't sound funny, but it's with a G, so

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Speaker 1: that's very clever of us.

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Speaker 2: It's a perfect reading joke for a podcast. This episode

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Speaker 2: originally came out on November sixteenth, twenty seventeen.

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Speaker 1: Okay, let's get into the intro of episode ninety five Jesus.

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Speaker 2: Okay, let's get zen. Yeah, let's get real zen. Put

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Speaker 2: your hands in prayer position and rub them together a

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Speaker 2: little bit, just a little bit of friction. This is ASMR.

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Speaker 2: Now that's right, and get ready for and throw the dice.

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Speaker 1: This is my favorite murder featuring Georgia Hartstark and featuring

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Speaker 1: Karen Gilgera with.

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Speaker 2: A sidebar element of Stephen Ray Morris. Right over there

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Speaker 2: on the ground there is where you expect him to be,

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Speaker 2: and he always is. I'm cozy, He's cozy, he's there.

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Speaker 2: I would never be cozy sitting in a position that Stephen.

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Speaker 2: I've offered him a chair, can we can? We go ahead?

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Speaker 2: And it's how he likes it. Yeah, he's like a

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Speaker 2: yoga he must be.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well he's fucking young and you can sit however

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Speaker 1: you want when you're young.

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Speaker 2: That's thirty seven. I don't even know what it past that.

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Speaker 2: He's very young as a young man. All the cartilage

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Speaker 2: and his knees is still there. Nothing is broken. Hi,

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Speaker 2: we're back from from our amazing leg of the tour

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Speaker 2: down in Texas.

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Speaker 1: I knew that would be a special I knew that

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Speaker 1: trip would be a special trip.

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Speaker 2: It was so good. I mean they all really are

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Speaker 2: in their own way, and that sounds cheesy, but it

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Speaker 2: really is true. And these ones were great. They were

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Speaker 2: just so great. Yeah, in every way. I mean, why

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Speaker 2: name them, right, but they just were many ways, so

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Speaker 2: all the ways, there's so many ways, you can just imagine.

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Speaker 2: Somebody did make me and I'm sorry, I don't know

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Speaker 2: your name offhand, but it was the second night in

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Speaker 2: Dallas and a woman came up and just handed me,

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Speaker 2: if you're a beautiful silver box and inside she made

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Speaker 2: a box full of moth cookies. So it was the

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Speaker 2: box of moths that I fear, but in cookie form,

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Speaker 2: which I don't fear, And I think it may have

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Speaker 2: erased my phobia of getting a box of moths in

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Speaker 2: the mail. It happened, and you were happy about it

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Speaker 2: that no one got hurt.

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Speaker 1: They were delicious cookies. Are you scared of getting dead

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Speaker 1: moths in the mail? Or live mon live?

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Speaker 2: Like opening a box and having moths fly into.

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Speaker 1: My face, up in your face right, like silence of

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Speaker 1: the lamb style? Yes, And it's is it the moths also?

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Speaker 1: Or is it or gest or is it also the

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Speaker 1: connotation of what would mean for one to take the

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Speaker 2: Yeah? How creepy specifically that would be, although I'm not

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Speaker 2: exactly sure. Whenever we were talking about that, it just

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Speaker 2: came out of my mouth, right and of this fucking podca.

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Speaker 2: This is called like a journey into the subconscious that

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Speaker 2: we never want to talk about again. Well, remember that.

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Speaker 1: So we were both we were in Dallas, and we

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Speaker 1: met in the lobby of the hotel and when we

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Speaker 1: were like leaving for the show, and we're both like,

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Speaker 1: does someone knock on your door and hand you a present?

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Speaker 1: And we were I had been freaked out because I

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Speaker 1: got a knock on the doors, Like who the fuck

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Speaker 1: a guy that worked, a guy that worked there, which like,

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Speaker 1: you don't want a dude fucking knocking at your door

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Speaker 1: So I opened the door, which I don't know what

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Speaker 1: then I was like, Okay, someone knows where I'm staying

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Speaker 1: now and this is creepy and scary and I don't

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Speaker 2: Yes, And then happened to you too. It happened to

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Speaker 2: me and I this is the part of the brag

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Speaker 2: that I want to tell the most, which is that

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Speaker 2: that someone would knock on the door. This happened to

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Speaker 2: I fucking this is how compatible we are.

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Speaker 1: The moment we don't close the door to the hotel

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Speaker 2: I got to adapt to that, Oh my god, because

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Speaker 2: it's there's nothing more than when a person comes into

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Speaker 2: and you it's like you're being a creep by having

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Speaker 2: not put the sign on them. Totally. So anyway, the

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Speaker 2: guy knocked, I was walking over, knocked again, and I said,

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Speaker 2: who is it? No one answered. Knocked again, I said

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Speaker 2: who is it? But it was close enough to I

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Speaker 2: thought maybe it was you joking around and I didn't

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Speaker 1: But then this is actually a thing that's happened a

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Speaker 1: couple of I love surprising with no clothes on.

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Speaker 2: It's my favorite joke. It's pretty good one. But I

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Speaker 2: so I stood behind the door, opened it. It was

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Speaker 2: He didn't say anything, but here's a present for you.

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Speaker 2: And I kept the door so closed that I basically

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Speaker 2: didn't say anything, and it was really scary. Well, then

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Speaker 2: of course we meet the woman who dropped those things off. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: she's like, oh, did you guys get my bag that

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Speaker 2: I sent you? The present? And immediate?

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Speaker 1: And I was terrified and we were like, how do

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Speaker 2: Minds of course went in fucking yea insane in the

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Speaker 2: calmed down assholes, like this is not that big of

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Speaker 2: a DA don't know. Well, but when the explanation finally came,

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Speaker 2: it was like really embarrassed.

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Speaker 1: First I saw her and she was just like the

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Speaker 1: sweetest blonde textan like angel face. So I'm like, all right,

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Speaker 1: this is the girl who's going to kill us. It's like, okay,

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Speaker 1: do it nicely. But then she was like, did y'all

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Speaker 1: of my hotel, and so I sent it up like

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Speaker 1: she just knew that we were staying there.

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Speaker 2: In the most natural, non evasive, invasive way possible, Right,

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Speaker 2: she knew, and this so sent us up some. And

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Speaker 2: also it's the thing that everyone we were going crazy

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Speaker 2: there's a gas station called BUCkies that's beloved, and BUCkies

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Speaker 2: makes a product Steve and I don't know if you

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Speaker 2: know this already, they make a product called beaver Nuggets

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Speaker 2: that are essentially cocaine dipped in fucking like maple sugar

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Speaker 2: some shit. Yeah, there's a grind element but also kind

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Speaker 2: of like puffed puffed corn cereal, yeah, but then maple

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Speaker 2: It's almost got a cotton candy element. Yes, because it's

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Speaker 2: like lunatics, so many of those, And that's what she

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Speaker 2: sent up. It was like the loveliest gift of like,

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Speaker 1: That thing of like, you know, can we do one

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Speaker 1: last on the road story really quick, because it's my

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Speaker 1: favorite of this The Chicks.

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Speaker 2: Whose sister the chick and my sister. Yes.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So after the after live shows, we do like

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Speaker 1: a lot of them give us presents like boxes of chocolate,

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Speaker 1: of candy, moths, orever.

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Speaker 1: So one girl when came in medicine, she was so

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Speaker 2: Whatever. We're like great, okay, and.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there's like that moment of silence where we all

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Speaker 2: So the lady goes my sister's dying, and Georgia laughed

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Speaker 1: I was cracking up, because when you're in a horrified

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Speaker 2: So then Georgia laughs. Then the pictures that Karen's Georgia,

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Speaker 2: I didn't say it like that. You were kind of like,

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Speaker 2: admonished me. You've never admonished me before. Well you were laughing,

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Speaker 1: After the photo were like, oh my god, both those

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Speaker 2: Like what are you talking about? We're like my contact turned,

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Speaker 2: you know, circle up a moment. This is a thing,

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Speaker 2: she goes she is so jealous that she's not here, right,

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Speaker 2: basically saying, I'd like to tell you this very sad thing.

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Speaker 2: Sister is dying.

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Speaker 1: My sister is my sister's dying of how she meant

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Speaker 2: It was hilarious, that's about it. It was super uh

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Speaker 2: then she was like, oh no, no, she's fine. We

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Speaker 2: were like mad at her, yeah, because that was a lot. Okay,

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Speaker 2: do you have a correction? And this really is only

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Speaker 2: for the people that were at our second show in Dallas.

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Speaker 2: When I did the story of Terry Hoffman, who was

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Speaker 2: this crazy cult leader. It was one of my favorites

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Speaker 2: Did Mal's do an episode? No? But she should, Yes, absolutely?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and did she stop doing it? She's seasonal so

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Speaker 2: Sure? Today, it will be. It has to be a

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Speaker 1: Yeah, because so the next week is Thanksgiving, So we're

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Speaker 2: It's a good time. Who's first this week? You know

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Speaker 1: Okay, we decided that, and I think we should talk

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Speaker 2: Meaning if your fucking.

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Speaker 1: Murder is horrifying and awful, and I have a fucking

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Speaker 2: right now. We are now officially dismantling they who went

434
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Speaker 2: first last time, unless we need it, unless it doesn't.

435
00:21:55,480 --> 00:21:58,240
Speaker 1: Matter, unless how will we go back to it when

436
00:21:58,280 --> 00:22:01,960
Speaker 1: we whenever we decide. Okay, we'll make it up on

437
00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:05,000
Speaker 1: the spot. Oh yeah, that's we can do a room right.

438
00:22:05,359 --> 00:22:14,639
Speaker 2: There's no format, This is all pretend all right, Okay, great, Okay,

439
00:22:14,680 --> 00:22:15,160
Speaker 2: we're back.

440
00:22:15,240 --> 00:22:17,760
Speaker 1: This is so fun. This rewind stuff, because this is

441
00:22:17,800 --> 00:22:20,560
Speaker 1: stuff that isn't in my memory anymore.

442
00:22:20,760 --> 00:22:22,160
Speaker 2: Yes, so like to.

443
00:22:22,160 --> 00:22:27,040
Speaker 1: Go specific, Yeah, it's really like actually fun. I mean

444
00:22:27,359 --> 00:22:31,119
Speaker 1: I'm surprised, honestly, Like the beaver Bucky's beaver nuggets, like

445
00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:34,479
Speaker 1: that was such a big deal in our lives then.

446
00:22:34,960 --> 00:22:36,879
Speaker 2: I know, it was like Texas all of a sudden

447
00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:39,800
Speaker 2: was like in our life in this major way. Where's

448
00:22:40,480 --> 00:22:43,160
Speaker 2: oh my god. I just never imagined that this would happen,

449
00:22:43,240 --> 00:22:45,520
Speaker 2: that this would be the spot where people are like, no,

450
00:22:45,640 --> 00:22:48,040
Speaker 2: we're all there's going to be a ship ton of us,

451
00:22:48,080 --> 00:22:50,879
Speaker 2: and we're going to tell you exactly this secret to living,

452
00:22:51,119 --> 00:22:56,520
Speaker 2: which is eating these essentially maple syrup cornpuffs right out

453
00:22:56,520 --> 00:22:58,040
Speaker 2: of a bag. Yeah, so good.

454
00:22:58,160 --> 00:23:00,240
Speaker 1: It's just wild that whole time in our life.

455
00:23:00,320 --> 00:23:02,200
Speaker 2: It's good to see the kind of like being able

456
00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:06,040
Speaker 2: to separate the hard part from the fun part. Yeah. Yeah,

457
00:23:06,320 --> 00:23:08,920
Speaker 2: you know, it's like this is the most fun washed

458
00:23:09,040 --> 00:23:12,080
Speaker 2: version of this experience we could have, which is we

459
00:23:12,160 --> 00:23:15,119
Speaker 2: don't remember the details and it's like, oh but remember

460
00:23:15,119 --> 00:23:18,240
Speaker 2: the fun for yeah, totally. I love that. I love

461
00:23:18,240 --> 00:23:18,800
Speaker 2: that for us.

462
00:23:18,840 --> 00:23:20,919
Speaker 1: I love that for us back then because it's just

463
00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:23,800
Speaker 1: I feel so much, so much younger and so much

464
00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:27,960
Speaker 1: like I never realized that we weren't into the podcast

465
00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:31,960
Speaker 1: that long when this all this crazy stuff started happening. Yeah,

466
00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:34,479
Speaker 1: And the Texas thing is because when we were like

467
00:23:34,560 --> 00:23:36,879
Speaker 1: planning to go on tour, you know, is anyone going

468
00:23:36,960 --> 00:23:39,919
Speaker 1: to come? Our touring agent told us that Texas is

469
00:23:39,920 --> 00:23:42,760
Speaker 1: one of our biggest marketing markets. And I think we

470
00:23:42,800 --> 00:23:44,920
Speaker 1: were both shocked by that because I always figured people

471
00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:46,000
Speaker 1: from Texas would hate me.

472
00:23:46,440 --> 00:23:50,000
Speaker 2: I don't know why. Yes, Ran, it's like we fell

473
00:23:50,040 --> 00:23:52,879
Speaker 2: for the big Fox News lie or whatever, where it's like,

474
00:23:52,880 --> 00:23:55,399
Speaker 2: there's no enemies anywhere, there's no it has nothing to

475
00:23:55,440 --> 00:23:58,119
Speaker 2: do with the state that you live in or anything.

476
00:23:58,359 --> 00:24:00,520
Speaker 1: You mean, we're not the coastal ely and you don't

477
00:24:00,560 --> 00:24:01,000
Speaker 1: hate us.

478
00:24:01,080 --> 00:24:05,000
Speaker 2: I mean that's great. Also, this is one of our

479
00:24:05,040 --> 00:24:08,320
Speaker 2: favorite memories of a moment in the VIP where the

480
00:24:08,359 --> 00:24:10,520
Speaker 2: woman was taking the picture with us and said, oh

481
00:24:10,560 --> 00:24:13,240
Speaker 2: my god, my sister's dying and we thought she m.

482
00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:18,680
Speaker 1: I totally remember, and she goes of jealousy, of jealousy,

483
00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:19,359
Speaker 1: of jealousy.

484
00:24:19,480 --> 00:24:22,400
Speaker 2: It was like perfect, perfectly the worst time to take

485
00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:25,040
Speaker 2: a picture cutting her off at that moment in the sentence,

486
00:24:25,119 --> 00:24:28,240
Speaker 2: it was so funny. That was like, that was a

487
00:24:28,240 --> 00:24:33,080
Speaker 2: beautiful moment. That really is just from one moment something

488
00:24:33,119 --> 00:24:36,399
Speaker 2: sad wasn't happening. That was crazy. And also, this is

489
00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:39,800
Speaker 2: my mistake about when River director Taylor Sheridan, who is

490
00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:44,320
Speaker 2: not a woman, and also learning from this specific episode,

491
00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:47,359
Speaker 2: I thought, a Native woman, Yes, this is going to

492
00:24:47,440 --> 00:24:51,440
Speaker 2: follow this thing and every episode you have to bring

493
00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:54,040
Speaker 2: this up from now on. Yeah, exactly, I'll never stop

494
00:24:54,080 --> 00:24:56,200
Speaker 2: talking about it. But it was like, that's it's almost

495
00:24:56,320 --> 00:24:59,280
Speaker 2: more embarrassing because I'm kind of like trying to what

496
00:24:59,320 --> 00:25:02,640
Speaker 2: do they call that virtue signaling of like I love

497
00:25:02,720 --> 00:25:05,560
Speaker 2: this movie and a Native woman directed it, I'm doing

498
00:25:05,640 --> 00:25:10,200
Speaker 2: everyone I know. Nope, no, turns out the single WGA

499
00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:12,840
Speaker 2: member that was against the strike and came out and

500
00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:15,879
Speaker 2: talked about it, That's who I'm actually talking about once again,

501
00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:18,400
Speaker 2: a corrections corner for the ages.

502
00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:20,919
Speaker 1: And then also I didn't realize we did this so early,

503
00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:23,320
Speaker 1: and I think this is really smart of us. If

504
00:25:23,359 --> 00:25:27,080
Speaker 1: I can say is hey, let's do the more lighthearted

505
00:25:27,080 --> 00:25:31,080
Speaker 1: stories after the heavy stories. So whoever is had here

506
00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:33,560
Speaker 1: that week goes first. Like that has made such a

507
00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:37,199
Speaker 1: huge difference I think in us in the show in

508
00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:39,119
Speaker 1: the way we're able to do it, Yes, like a

509
00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:41,639
Speaker 1: hob a gnarly fucking like story, and I'm like, how

510
00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:43,320
Speaker 1: am I going to do this? And then I'll remember

511
00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:47,520
Speaker 1: that you probably have like a fun heist afterwards, so

512
00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:48,199
Speaker 1: it's okay.

513
00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:51,439
Speaker 2: And that's the fun the producers get to have where

514
00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:54,960
Speaker 2: they're not only mapping out our calendar of like when

515
00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:57,440
Speaker 2: do we get to go on vacation next, but they're

516
00:25:57,480 --> 00:25:59,359
Speaker 2: mapping out how we're going to do this so that

517
00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:02,520
Speaker 2: it feels like there's some sort of intentionality about it,

518
00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:05,320
Speaker 2: which is, yes, it's great and it's so funny that

519
00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:08,320
Speaker 2: it took us to I guess a year of touring

520
00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:10,399
Speaker 2: to be like, hey, here's a little data from the

521
00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:10,879
Speaker 2: Red so.

522
00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:12,840
Speaker 1: You don't want to go out on is a fucking

523
00:26:13,040 --> 00:26:14,240
Speaker 1: yeah serial killer?

524
00:26:14,560 --> 00:26:17,840
Speaker 2: Good night, thank you and good night no good night?

525
00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:22,440
Speaker 2: Who Yeah, that's we learned that one about as quick

526
00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:25,440
Speaker 2: as we learned don't do the same story for both rights.

527
00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:26,639
Speaker 2: But that was immediate.

528
00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:29,520
Speaker 1: Oh got the silence, all right, so shall we get

529
00:26:29,520 --> 00:26:30,360
Speaker 1: into your story.

530
00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:31,800
Speaker 2: Let's do it. Let's do it.

531
00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:34,720
Speaker 1: This is Eli Stutsman, the Amish serial killer.

532
00:26:41,560 --> 00:26:46,560
Speaker 2: This I it's funny because in thinking of that, I

533
00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:49,679
Speaker 2: worked on a couple different murders, and I did this

534
00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:52,960
Speaker 2: in Texas a couple times, where I'd start something I only like,

535
00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:56,880
Speaker 2: this is too depressed. So like there was the Killing Fields.

536
00:26:56,920 --> 00:26:59,199
Speaker 2: I was working on the Killing Fields because it's right

537
00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:04,680
Speaker 2: outside Houston and it is a place where either one

538
00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:08,160
Speaker 2: or several serial killers go to dump young women's bodies.

539
00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:11,800
Speaker 2: It's been going on four years. No one's ever think

540
00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:14,560
Speaker 2: they caught one guy that's connected to eleven murders, but

541
00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:16,240
Speaker 2: they haven't caught all of them.

542
00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:19,240
Speaker 1: It's the Blur's show called The Eleven right now that

543
00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:21,280
Speaker 1: you can watch. I think it's an Annie show on demand?

544
00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:22,239
Speaker 1: Oh is that truebout them?

545
00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:24,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's good on Annie. Well it's on demand. I

546
00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:26,880
Speaker 2: don't know who did it. Oh okay, that's great. Yeah,

547
00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:30,080
Speaker 2: because it's very it's very involved and convoluted, and I

548
00:27:30,119 --> 00:27:32,720
Speaker 2: got I would say, a quarter of the way through it,

549
00:27:32,760 --> 00:27:35,480
Speaker 2: and then I was like, this is for a live

550
00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:36,960
Speaker 2: show especially, it's just so bleak.

551
00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:38,560
Speaker 1: Well, we get so many people at live shows being

552
00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:40,159
Speaker 1: like you should why didn't you do this murder? And

553
00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:43,399
Speaker 1: it's like, because it's so fucking depressing, not because we

554
00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:45,679
Speaker 1: don't want to or didn't know about it. It's just

555
00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:48,760
Speaker 1: like hearing the audience's silence when you're talking about a

556
00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:50,800
Speaker 1: fucking eleven people getting murdered.

557
00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:53,600
Speaker 2: Who didn't it's not solved. Yeah, it's a huge bummer.

558
00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:57,560
Speaker 2: It's rough, and also it's well whatever, there's just all

559
00:27:57,640 --> 00:28:00,520
Speaker 2: kinds of elements going on. It's great. Just felt like

560
00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:04,560
Speaker 2: I've started and stopped many because there's so many dark ones.

561
00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:07,360
Speaker 2: But then I stumbled upon an episode of the television

562
00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:10,600
Speaker 2: show Deadly Devotion, which I think is on ID. You've

563
00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:16,680
Speaker 2: never seen that one. I got it on Apple like iTunes. Yeah,

564
00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:21,720
Speaker 2: but so it's basically like murders that happen within certain

565
00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:28,920
Speaker 2: churches or religious christ fun. Yeah, so this one is

566
00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:34,480
Speaker 2: pretty amazing. It's the Amish serial killer. Amish serial killers. Yeah,

567
00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:37,000
Speaker 2: tell me about it. Well, not in the classic sense,

568
00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:44,360
Speaker 2: but yes, so there's a I knew nothing about any

569
00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:47,440
Speaker 2: of this. I didn't know there were subsets of Amish

570
00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:50,560
Speaker 2: within the Amish, and there are some who are more

571
00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:56,080
Speaker 2: liberal and some who are more conservative. That sounds political,

572
00:28:56,120 --> 00:29:01,640
Speaker 2: but more you know, classic old school and the Schwartz

573
00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:05,480
Speaker 2: and Ruber Truber Amish. I'm sorry Schwartz and trouber Amish

574
00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:11,000
Speaker 2: are the considered old Order Amish. They speak Pennsylvania Dutch,

575
00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:14,360
Speaker 2: I mean Pennsylvania Germans. I'm not even reading off the

576
00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:16,920
Speaker 2: page that I'm holding in front of my face. I'm

577
00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:18,640
Speaker 2: like trying to remember off the top of my head

578
00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:22,560
Speaker 2: as I'm looking at it. They speak Pennsylvania German. They

579
00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:27,360
Speaker 2: speak English with outsiders, they don't follow. They don't fellowship

580
00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:32,680
Speaker 2: or inter marry with more liberal Amish orders, so they

581
00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:37,040
Speaker 2: won't go outside of their own Amish group. If like

582
00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:40,320
Speaker 2: the like they consider the Amish who put the red

583
00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:43,440
Speaker 2: orange reflective signs on the back of their carriages that

584
00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:46,440
Speaker 2: say like the slow thing for me. Yeah, that's too

585
00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:50,480
Speaker 2: liberal for them. These people don't have running water or

586
00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:56,160
Speaker 2: indoor plumbing. They they they never ride in cars unless

587
00:29:56,160 --> 00:30:02,200
Speaker 2: it's an absolute emergency. They they their belief is that

588
00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:04,440
Speaker 2: they're not supposed to take interest in their appearance because

589
00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:07,840
Speaker 2: it promotes vanity, So they dress in dark colors. The

590
00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:12,640
Speaker 2: women wear longer dresses. It's it's considered vain to wear

591
00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:15,080
Speaker 2: a button on your dress, as a woman like to

592
00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:18,640
Speaker 2: have buttons. So basically, they're a huge fucking bummer.

593
00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:20,320
Speaker 1: And you know what's great about when we do Amish

594
00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:22,400
Speaker 1: stories is that they can't listen and tell us what

595
00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:22,960
Speaker 1: we got wrong.

596
00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:27,480
Speaker 2: They'll never fucking know a word we're saying about those

597
00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:35,240
Speaker 2: phony bitches buttons. They're so phony it's calling me Amish

598
00:30:35,320 --> 00:30:40,000
Speaker 2: phony tony bonies, fucking phonies. Okay, No, they're actually the realist.

599
00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:45,400
Speaker 2: So they also don't allow the teenagers. You know, normal

600
00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:47,920
Speaker 2: Almish teenagers go to get to do their rum spring

601
00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:49,520
Speaker 2: out where they go out into the world for a

602
00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:52,240
Speaker 2: year and party and go crazy, and then they get

603
00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:54,080
Speaker 2: to come back and then they're like, yeah, I'm this

604
00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:56,800
Speaker 2: is better, and it is better. They have homemade butter

605
00:30:57,080 --> 00:31:02,160
Speaker 2: and those barns. Yeah, those wood burning stoves they sell

606
00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:08,480
Speaker 2: on TV. So the schwarzen Trooper Almish teenagers do not

607
00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:12,680
Speaker 2: get to leave, but they do allow them to quote

608
00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:16,200
Speaker 2: court in order to find a marriage partner, which includes

609
00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:19,280
Speaker 2: hugging in a bed while being fully closed and rocking

610
00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:26,000
Speaker 2: in a chair together. So sorry, yeah, what the fuck? Yeah,

611
00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:28,920
Speaker 2: you see him across the room and you're like, oh

612
00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:31,400
Speaker 2: my god, what is this electricity that I'm feeling because

613
00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:35,680
Speaker 2: I don't know what electricity is, because I don't know

614
00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:41,240
Speaker 2: what this means. Trying to high ross I just held

615
00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:44,120
Speaker 2: up my hand to hide five Georgia, and she fucking

616
00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:46,720
Speaker 2: picked up her foot and pointed it at me like

617
00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:48,960
Speaker 2: I was gonna high five her foot that was just

618
00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:54,840
Speaker 2: so far away. That was a genius. Okay, this is

619
00:31:54,880 --> 00:32:00,680
Speaker 2: a good start. It's a good start. So that was

620
00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:05,960
Speaker 2: so something my sister would do. Okay. So yeah. So

621
00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:10,440
Speaker 2: so it's hardcore. And there's a young woman named Ida

622
00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:14,040
Speaker 2: who is raised you know, she's in the community. Her

623
00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:16,960
Speaker 2: family as well liked. She's, you know, a pretty young

624
00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:21,640
Speaker 2: girl that everybody likes. And they show this thing in

625
00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:24,720
Speaker 2: the episode of the show where the one of the

626
00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:27,560
Speaker 2: ways that they the boys and girls teenage boys and

627
00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:30,960
Speaker 2: girls mixed together is they go sing in groups in

628
00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:33,960
Speaker 2: a barn. So like sounds like a fucking blast, right.

629
00:32:34,040 --> 00:32:36,440
Speaker 2: They go into the barn, the guys are kind of

630
00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:38,760
Speaker 2: over on one side singing, and then the girls are

631
00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:41,280
Speaker 2: on their side singing. So Ida goes to one of

632
00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:46,120
Speaker 2: these mixers and so, you know, that's a generous way

633
00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:51,760
Speaker 2: to describe it. And there she meets a fellow Schwartz

634
00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:56,640
Speaker 2: and truber Amishman named Eli Stutzman. He's good looking, he's witty,

635
00:32:56,680 --> 00:33:01,280
Speaker 2: he's sophisticated. He's charismatic. He was a rebel. The people

636
00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:05,040
Speaker 2: in this episode he wore a button you fucking had

637
00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:09,160
Speaker 2: He had a button like as a pin. No, he

638
00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:11,080
Speaker 2: didn't just use it as a button. It wasn't. He

639
00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:14,480
Speaker 2: just had an extra fever button. Yeah, so perfulous button.

640
00:33:14,600 --> 00:33:19,160
Speaker 2: Oh my god, are you the funds? So the people

641
00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:22,040
Speaker 2: in this episode, there was this really awesome woman who

642
00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:26,160
Speaker 2: used to be Amish and she had the greatest accent

643
00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:29,200
Speaker 2: and she was like so like, you know, wearing her

644
00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:33,239
Speaker 2: white turn offlet. Yeah, very but the craziest accent. You

645
00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:36,160
Speaker 2: couldn't figure out what that accent was. And she was

646
00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:39,160
Speaker 2: saying that he always stood out that he was this

647
00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:42,160
Speaker 2: you know, he was really good looking and he just

648
00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:44,840
Speaker 2: kind of was like this thing everyone paid attention to

649
00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:47,600
Speaker 2: because he was just different than the other Amish teenage boy.

650
00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:52,360
Speaker 2: He was the fabio of the Amish world. Totally okay. Uh.

651
00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:55,040
Speaker 2: The actor that they got to play him in the

652
00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:59,000
Speaker 2: re enactments looked like the main guy from Walking Dead.

653
00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:02,680
Speaker 2: So he had that bones, cheek bones and kind of

654
00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:05,440
Speaker 2: like rangy, you know, like something's going on with that.

655
00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:09,440
Speaker 2: He might shoot you and eat you. So his father

656
00:34:09,640 --> 00:34:14,480
Speaker 2: was a bishop okay, and uh uh, he was like

657
00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:18,400
Speaker 2: a rebel. So he was his father and he fought constantly,

658
00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:22,120
Speaker 2: really really viciously because he would talk in church. He

659
00:34:22,200 --> 00:34:24,680
Speaker 2: was always just doing something. He did whatever he wanted

660
00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:28,080
Speaker 2: and the father and made the father crazy and embarrassed,

661
00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:32,480
Speaker 2: and he couldn't control him, and he was always testing

662
00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:37,160
Speaker 2: the limits. They said. So of course Ida immediately is like,

663
00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:40,799
Speaker 2: I'm in love with this. He loved him incredible. I'm

664
00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:44,080
Speaker 2: talking during church. I love him. He's a fucking fighter.

665
00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:49,839
Speaker 1: Shut his fucking mouth at he's whispering during during the church.

666
00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:54,319
Speaker 2: Then the Bible reading. Okay, so she ends up. Some

667
00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:57,319
Speaker 2: people are her parents are worried that she's mixing in

668
00:34:57,360 --> 00:35:01,640
Speaker 2: with a you know, a bad Amish. But other people

669
00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:04,319
Speaker 2: say that she had this calming effect on him and

670
00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:07,719
Speaker 2: he was much less rebellious, and they were clearly really

671
00:35:07,719 --> 00:35:11,080
Speaker 2: into each other and in love. And the way they

672
00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:13,440
Speaker 2: describe it, the Amish describe it is when you have

673
00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:17,200
Speaker 2: these things, they call it being worldly. So like if

674
00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:21,399
Speaker 2: you're really into your appearance in the vanity thing, that's

675
00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:24,880
Speaker 2: a worldly issue. It means like you're from out the

676
00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:32,560
Speaker 2: outside world. Yeah, so his worldly ways created problems in

677
00:35:32,600 --> 00:35:35,960
Speaker 2: the community and with his father specifically, and so he

678
00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:37,759
Speaker 2: gets in such a bad fight with his father he

679
00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:41,719
Speaker 2: leaves the community, and of course Ida is devastated. He

680
00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:43,879
Speaker 2: never says a word to her, he just leaves. She's

681
00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:46,760
Speaker 2: broken hearted, but she knows there and love. She believes

682
00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:48,719
Speaker 2: they're in love, and she believes he's going to come back.

683
00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:53,960
Speaker 2: So he goes and stays at a different farm, another

684
00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:56,879
Speaker 2: Amish family. He goes and stays there, like rents a room,

685
00:35:57,600 --> 00:36:00,760
Speaker 2: but he ends up getting kicked out because the mother

686
00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:04,279
Speaker 2: in the family finds gay horn in his room. Wait

687
00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:08,319
Speaker 2: what yes, fucking one hundred and eighty. So she's in

688
00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:11,839
Speaker 2: the reenactment, she's she's making this bed with the big

689
00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:14,200
Speaker 2: beautiful Amish quilt on it, and then it's like, what's

690
00:36:14,239 --> 00:36:17,359
Speaker 2: this over here? And basically this was a thing that

691
00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:19,560
Speaker 2: he had been dealing with as part of his rebellion

692
00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:22,040
Speaker 2: and part of his thing. Do you how do you think?

693
00:36:22,080 --> 00:36:23,960
Speaker 1: Do you think the Amish woman was just like what

694
00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:26,040
Speaker 1: is this? And she's like, I'm gonna take five minutes.

695
00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:27,480
Speaker 2: And then I'm gonna tell it reyone. She's like, I

696
00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:31,040
Speaker 2: better look through this to make sure. Oh my god,

697
00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:33,960
Speaker 2: where do you okay, yeah, so you can imagine how

698
00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:36,040
Speaker 2: freaked out they were where they were like, they just

699
00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:39,840
Speaker 2: immediately kick him out. Where did he even find gay Horn? Well,

700
00:36:40,120 --> 00:36:43,000
Speaker 2: it sounds like he was kind of he from the

701
00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:44,759
Speaker 2: looks of it and the sound of it. He was

702
00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:47,200
Speaker 2: a bit of a sociopath. So he got what he

703
00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:49,440
Speaker 2: wanted all the time. So he went to a BUCkies

704
00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:51,080
Speaker 2: and he was like he was too went down to

705
00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:55,239
Speaker 2: the BUCkies. He put on his worldly suspenders so that

706
00:36:55,320 --> 00:36:59,320
Speaker 2: nobody would, you know, pick up on him. Okay, so okay.

707
00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:03,840
Speaker 2: So he ends up moving back into the community and

708
00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:06,560
Speaker 2: he tells Ida that he wants to marry her and

709
00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:08,680
Speaker 2: start a life and he's going to reform and he's

710
00:37:08,680 --> 00:37:11,280
Speaker 2: going to be good, which essentially was he had nowhere

711
00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:15,040
Speaker 2: else to go, and so he comes back, he apologizes,

712
00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:19,759
Speaker 2: he repents. They get married on Christmas nineteen seventy five.

713
00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:27,760
Speaker 2: So after a month, she's pregnant and they start their family.

714
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:30,920
Speaker 2: You know, their son Danny is born obviously nine months later.

715
00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:36,440
Speaker 2: Turns out the Amish carry their children for nine months,

716
00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:44,959
Speaker 2: just like the worldly folk. So their son Danny's born,

717
00:37:45,040 --> 00:37:46,960
Speaker 2: and then they move to a farm and they start

718
00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:50,280
Speaker 2: a dairy business. So they have a bunch of cows.

719
00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:52,600
Speaker 2: They milk the cows, they sell the milk, and that's

720
00:37:52,600 --> 00:37:55,680
Speaker 2: how they make their money. And they all work on

721
00:37:55,719 --> 00:37:58,600
Speaker 2: this farm. It's really hard work, but they're actually doing okay.

722
00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:02,839
Speaker 2: Ida gets pregnant for a second time, and then one

723
00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:08,040
Speaker 2: night they're an electrical storm hits and they wake up

724
00:38:08,040 --> 00:38:11,160
Speaker 2: in the middle of the night and electric lightning bolt

725
00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:13,520
Speaker 2: has hit the barn and has caught it on fire.

726
00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:18,680
Speaker 2: So they run outside and Ida runs straight into the barn.

727
00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:22,600
Speaker 2: She's like, I'm gonna go save those pails of milk. Yes,

728
00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:27,240
Speaker 2: And he runs to go to the pump to get

729
00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:30,600
Speaker 2: to start filling buckets with water. And when he comes

730
00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:32,960
Speaker 2: back with the buckets of water, Ida is laying in

731
00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:39,120
Speaker 2: the doorway of the barn unconscious, and so they he

732
00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:42,960
Speaker 2: you know, gets neighbors. They end up calling nine one one,

733
00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:46,720
Speaker 2: and he when the police and the fire department everybody

734
00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:49,200
Speaker 2: get there, he explains that Ida, when she was a child,

735
00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:52,600
Speaker 2: she had about of a rheumatic fever and so she

736
00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:56,440
Speaker 2: had a weak heart and she ended up being dead,

737
00:38:56,680 --> 00:38:58,640
Speaker 2: and so they were like, she must have been so

738
00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:02,160
Speaker 2: scared of this fire and having run in and everything

739
00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:04,000
Speaker 2: that she just had a heart attack and died, so

740
00:39:04,040 --> 00:39:11,520
Speaker 2: they list her death as cardiac arrest. So he of

741
00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:17,399
Speaker 2: course is completely grief stricken, and the community rallies around him.

742
00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:19,920
Speaker 2: They all start working at the farm to make sure

743
00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:24,320
Speaker 2: the dairy farm keeps going. He's just in the house.

744
00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:27,520
Speaker 2: Some people come to take care of Danny because he's

745
00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:35,240
Speaker 2: just like completely beside himself, and Ida's mother actually moves

746
00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:38,239
Speaker 2: in to take care of Danny, and slowly, as the

747
00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:43,160
Speaker 2: months go by, she notices Eli is less and less

748
00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:45,840
Speaker 2: grief stricken and more and more acting like the rebel

749
00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:48,799
Speaker 2: that he was before he left the first time. And

750
00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:56,319
Speaker 2: within months of her death, he has the whole farm electrified. Yeah,

751
00:39:56,360 --> 00:39:59,520
Speaker 2: so there's a really hilarious scene where they just walk

752
00:39:59,560 --> 00:40:02,239
Speaker 2: in and he he's got this big, really devious smell

753
00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:05,040
Speaker 2: in his place. He like reaches up and pulls at

754
00:40:05,080 --> 00:40:07,520
Speaker 2: the string and like the light goes on in the kitchen, like,

755
00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:12,239
Speaker 2: yes see, this is mine. So he puts in lights everywhere,

756
00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:15,960
Speaker 2: he buys a car, he cuts his hair, and he

757
00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:19,600
Speaker 2: starts leaving the house at night. So Ida's mother's like,

758
00:40:19,840 --> 00:40:24,400
Speaker 2: what the fuck is going on. So then it turns

759
00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:27,800
Speaker 2: out he put an ad in the personal section of

760
00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:32,400
Speaker 2: a gay newspaper. Wait what Yeah, so he was going

761
00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:36,360
Speaker 2: to live that secret dream that he wanted to do before.

762
00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:39,959
Speaker 2: And here this is how the ad read, Oh dear

763
00:40:40,160 --> 00:40:45,919
Speaker 2: Amish man, muscular, thirties, five seven one forty, blue eyes,

764
00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:49,600
Speaker 2: brown hair, straight appearing, I think is what? That's str

765
00:40:49,719 --> 00:40:56,799
Speaker 2: app right, very appearance? What strapping? Str What is it?

766
00:40:57,120 --> 00:40:59,120
Speaker 2: I was thinking that they meant like straight, like he

767
00:40:59,200 --> 00:41:02,480
Speaker 2: seems straight. I gotta get it. But it could be strapping.

768
00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:09,600
Speaker 2: Not the brownie man, very discrete, affectionate, health, conscious sense

769
00:41:09,640 --> 00:41:12,120
Speaker 2: of humor, would like to meet others into farming, ranching

770
00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:16,960
Speaker 2: or carpentry for friendship or possible relationship. So he's going

771
00:41:17,080 --> 00:41:20,200
Speaker 2: for it. I mean, fine, love dude, I love. Farming

772
00:41:20,200 --> 00:41:22,799
Speaker 2: and ranching are very similar. I'm not sure why he

773
00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:26,160
Speaker 2: used he used up those letters to write both, but

774
00:41:26,200 --> 00:41:28,360
Speaker 2: maybe there's a subtle difference. I'm not sure. Or it

775
00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:32,160
Speaker 2: could be code. I don't know. So he starts having

776
00:41:32,680 --> 00:41:36,680
Speaker 2: parties in the barn and like men are cutting died,

777
00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:37,920
Speaker 2: Yes men are?

778
00:41:38,160 --> 00:41:38,319
Speaker 3: You know?

779
00:41:38,360 --> 00:41:40,920
Speaker 2: This is months after but men are coming to the

780
00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:50,040
Speaker 2: ranch gay men, and it says it says here he

781
00:41:50,120 --> 00:41:52,600
Speaker 2: starts having parties in the barn for gay English and

782
00:41:52,680 --> 00:41:56,239
Speaker 2: Amish men. So I think it's just like whoever wants

783
00:41:56,280 --> 00:42:00,439
Speaker 2: to come. But basically the entire community starts gossip because

784
00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:02,600
Speaker 2: they're just like did you hear? And he's not being

785
00:42:02,680 --> 00:42:07,080
Speaker 2: discreet in the lead. He's got lights on like first

786
00:42:07,120 --> 00:42:13,040
Speaker 2: for starters. So finally there's so much gossip and he's

787
00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:15,360
Speaker 2: so you know, he goes and tells the family friends

788
00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:17,759
Speaker 2: like he's so hurt by all this gossip, making it

789
00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:20,440
Speaker 2: seem like it's all malicious and untrue that he In

790
00:42:20,520 --> 00:42:22,920
Speaker 2: nineteen eighty two, he sells the farm, he takes Danny

791
00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:28,760
Speaker 2: and he leaves and he settles in Austin, Texas. And

792
00:42:29,480 --> 00:42:31,840
Speaker 2: it was really hard for Danny to make that adjustment

793
00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:36,120
Speaker 2: because he went from being you know, old school Amish

794
00:42:36,200 --> 00:42:40,640
Speaker 2: into just the real world of Austin, Texas. So he

795
00:42:41,120 --> 00:42:44,640
Speaker 2: became really withdrawn. He had a really hard time. Meanwhile,

796
00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:49,880
Speaker 2: his dad was basically opens a construction business and just

797
00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:54,279
Speaker 2: starts freely dating gay men, like dating openly in a

798
00:42:54,400 --> 00:42:59,760
Speaker 2: very modern way, which you know, it's the early eighties

799
00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:03,879
Speaker 2: in Texas, like it must have been dangerous to say

800
00:43:03,920 --> 00:43:07,239
Speaker 2: the least totally In the fall of nineteen eighty four,

801
00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:10,360
Speaker 2: Eli's driving down the road and he sees a hitchhiker.

802
00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:12,719
Speaker 2: He picks him up, and his name's Glenn Pritchard. And

803
00:43:12,760 --> 00:43:15,560
Speaker 2: Glenn Pritchard is a divorced father to who used to

804
00:43:15,560 --> 00:43:19,680
Speaker 2: be Mormon and had a really bad drinking problem. He

805
00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:23,400
Speaker 2: left the Mormon church, he left his family or you know,

806
00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:25,560
Speaker 2: maybe his wife divorced him because of his drinking problem.

807
00:43:25,840 --> 00:43:28,360
Speaker 2: He tried to join the Coastguard to solve the problem,

808
00:43:28,760 --> 00:43:31,360
Speaker 2: he got kicked out, so now he's just kind of lost.

809
00:43:31,480 --> 00:43:34,720
Speaker 2: So Eli offers him a job at the construction business

810
00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:42,320
Speaker 2: and room and board in the house, so he actually Danny,

811
00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:45,600
Speaker 2: Eli's son, gets along with Glenn really well. And Glenn

812
00:43:45,640 --> 00:43:48,480
Speaker 2: has two kids and he really misses his kids, and

813
00:43:48,560 --> 00:43:52,000
Speaker 2: so he, you know, takes Danny on as like his

814
00:43:52,040 --> 00:43:54,839
Speaker 2: own and looks out for him. And he really doesn't

815
00:43:54,920 --> 00:43:58,600
Speaker 2: like the way Eli's bringing men home constantly and in

816
00:43:58,640 --> 00:44:01,839
Speaker 2: no way tries to hide it. And Glenn's really uncomfortable

817
00:44:01,840 --> 00:44:03,840
Speaker 2: like that He's doing it in front of Danny and thinks,

818
00:44:03,920 --> 00:44:05,880
Speaker 2: you know, and tries to talk to him about it,

819
00:44:06,239 --> 00:44:09,719
Speaker 2: but he doesn't. He you know, Eli has none of that.

820
00:44:09,760 --> 00:44:11,640
Speaker 2: And then he's like, well, I also have another problem,

821
00:44:11,640 --> 00:44:14,480
Speaker 2: which is you haven't paid me in six months because

822
00:44:14,480 --> 00:44:17,160
Speaker 2: he's been working, you know, for the construction company, and

823
00:44:17,680 --> 00:44:20,320
Speaker 2: Eli's not paying And Eli's like, I have a cash

824
00:44:20,320 --> 00:44:22,480
Speaker 2: flow problem. I'm going to get you the money. He's like, well,

825
00:44:22,520 --> 00:44:26,720
Speaker 2: you need to get me the money. Well, it turns

826
00:44:26,719 --> 00:44:29,839
Speaker 2: out they find Glenn Pritchard dead in a ditch. He's

827
00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:34,480
Speaker 2: been shot, and when the police come to talk to Eli,

828
00:44:34,719 --> 00:44:37,680
Speaker 2: they find his last place of residence. Eli says, I

829
00:44:37,680 --> 00:44:39,480
Speaker 2: haven't seen him in two months. I don't know what

830
00:44:39,520 --> 00:44:43,120
Speaker 2: happened to him. Immediately police are like, there's something going

831
00:44:43,160 --> 00:44:46,759
Speaker 2: on with this guy. When they go back to question

832
00:44:46,840 --> 00:44:49,640
Speaker 2: him a second time, like a week later, Danny and

833
00:44:49,680 --> 00:44:56,360
Speaker 2: Eli have left town. Uh So, basically Eli drops Danny

834
00:44:56,480 --> 00:45:00,239
Speaker 2: off at a family that he met when he of

835
00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:07,520
Speaker 2: first left Ohio where where they started out. There's like

836
00:45:07,560 --> 00:45:10,959
Speaker 2: a family named the Barlow's in Wyoming that he met.

837
00:45:11,040 --> 00:45:13,400
Speaker 2: They I don't think he knew them that well, and

838
00:45:13,440 --> 00:45:18,000
Speaker 2: he brings Danny to their house and drops him off.

839
00:45:18,160 --> 00:45:20,000
Speaker 2: Is basically, can you take care of him? I have

840
00:45:20,120 --> 00:45:22,600
Speaker 2: to go and like makes up some reason my hand,

841
00:45:22,719 --> 00:45:24,480
Speaker 2: some business he has to go take care of. And

842
00:45:24,520 --> 00:45:28,920
Speaker 2: he's like, I'll be back, and six months later he

843
00:45:28,960 --> 00:45:31,160
Speaker 2: calls and says he's coming to get Danny to take

844
00:45:31,239 --> 00:45:33,920
Speaker 2: him to Danny's grandparents for Christmas. So he's going to

845
00:45:33,960 --> 00:45:37,000
Speaker 2: take him to Ida's parents. Oh, back to Amish Country.

846
00:45:37,400 --> 00:45:44,319
Speaker 2: Danny's thrilled, and then the grandparents are also thrilled because

847
00:45:44,320 --> 00:45:46,400
Speaker 2: they hear that they're coming back for the holidays, and

848
00:45:46,440 --> 00:45:50,279
Speaker 2: so they haven't seen Danny in five years, so they're

849
00:45:50,320 --> 00:45:52,320
Speaker 2: thrilled that they get to see him again and reconnect.

850
00:45:52,880 --> 00:45:56,120
Speaker 2: Ten days later, it's Christmas Eve, they don't show up,

851
00:45:57,600 --> 00:46:03,000
Speaker 2: so of course there the family's really worried. Eventually they

852
00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:05,600
Speaker 2: get a letter from They get a letter from Eli

853
00:46:05,680 --> 00:46:11,400
Speaker 2: saying he's skiing with friends in Idaho, and then he

854
00:46:11,520 --> 00:46:13,959
Speaker 2: keeps sending letters just giving them updates on what they're

855
00:46:13,960 --> 00:46:17,200
Speaker 2: doing out in the world, and sometimes Danny sends letters

856
00:46:17,239 --> 00:46:20,080
Speaker 2: to it's just saying, you know, I'm learning this in

857
00:46:20,120 --> 00:46:24,160
Speaker 2: school and blah blah blah. So then then the grandparents

858
00:46:24,239 --> 00:46:27,200
Speaker 2: in July, so it's like, you know, six months after

859
00:46:27,600 --> 00:46:30,280
Speaker 2: they didn't show up for Christmas, they get a letter

860
00:46:30,640 --> 00:46:33,480
Speaker 2: saying that Danny was killed in a car accident and

861
00:46:33,560 --> 00:46:38,480
Speaker 2: buried in Wyoming. On the family plot, of the Barlow's,

862
00:46:38,520 --> 00:46:41,480
Speaker 2: the family that he stayed with, Oh my god, and

863
00:46:41,520 --> 00:46:45,279
Speaker 2: the parents, the grandparents were like, well, we we want

864
00:46:45,320 --> 00:46:48,359
Speaker 2: to see that, like we tell us more about it,

865
00:46:48,440 --> 00:46:50,799
Speaker 2: and he just doesn't say anything else. So they end

866
00:46:50,880 --> 00:46:54,040
Speaker 2: up getting on a bus. These old school Amish people

867
00:46:54,040 --> 00:46:56,600
Speaker 2: who are not allowed to ride in cars, they break

868
00:46:56,640 --> 00:46:58,480
Speaker 2: the rule. They get on a bus and they go

869
00:46:58,520 --> 00:47:03,640
Speaker 2: to Wyoming so that they can go see their grandson's grave.

870
00:47:04,600 --> 00:47:09,319
Speaker 2: So when they get there, they their name, their last

871
00:47:09,400 --> 00:47:12,480
Speaker 2: name is Gingrich. So they get the Gingriches get to

872
00:47:12,520 --> 00:47:16,200
Speaker 2: the Barlows in Wyoming and they say, will you please

873
00:47:16,360 --> 00:47:20,400
Speaker 2: show us our grandson's grave, And they don't know what

874
00:47:20,440 --> 00:47:23,560
Speaker 2: they're talking about, and they're like, the last that we

875
00:47:23,640 --> 00:47:25,799
Speaker 2: heard is they let you know, Eli came and pick

876
00:47:25,840 --> 00:47:28,360
Speaker 2: them up and they were going driving around and we

877
00:47:28,400 --> 00:47:31,200
Speaker 2: haven't heard anything else. There's there, He's not buried here.

878
00:47:31,719 --> 00:47:33,320
Speaker 2: So then they have to ride back on the bus,

879
00:47:33,320 --> 00:47:35,600
Speaker 2: like now they have no idea what's going on. On

880
00:47:36,760 --> 00:47:41,239
Speaker 2: December twenty fourth, nineteen eighty five, in Chester, Nebraska, a

881
00:47:41,320 --> 00:47:45,040
Speaker 2: hunter is walking through a field. Oh no, uh huh,

882
00:47:45,080 --> 00:47:49,840
Speaker 2: and he sees something across the field and it's fucking cold,

883
00:47:49,920 --> 00:47:54,120
Speaker 2: you know, it's Nebraska in December. He thinks it's a mannequin,

884
00:47:54,280 --> 00:47:57,160
Speaker 2: he thinks it's a doll, and when he comes up

885
00:47:57,160 --> 00:48:00,279
Speaker 2: on it, it's the body of a young boy in

886
00:48:00,320 --> 00:48:02,799
Speaker 2: blue pajamas, laying on his back with his hand over

887
00:48:02,840 --> 00:48:07,320
Speaker 2: his heart and it's so cold outside that the skin

888
00:48:07,440 --> 00:48:12,239
Speaker 2: is blue and he's dead and authorities can't identify him.

889
00:48:12,239 --> 00:48:15,640
Speaker 2: There's nothing identifying on him, so they end up calling

890
00:48:15,719 --> 00:48:19,680
Speaker 2: him little Boy Blue, And two years later, Readers di

891
00:48:20,160 --> 00:48:23,320
Speaker 2: does a story about little Boy Blue and the hunter

892
00:48:23,400 --> 00:48:26,000
Speaker 2: who found them and how there was no sign of

893
00:48:26,000 --> 00:48:28,360
Speaker 2: trauma on the body. They don't know how he died,

894
00:48:28,920 --> 00:48:33,360
Speaker 2: and they don't the authorities hadn't figured out a cause

895
00:48:33,360 --> 00:48:35,759
Speaker 2: of death. They just know he was wearing blue pajamas.

896
00:48:36,600 --> 00:48:44,160
Speaker 2: So the Barlows find this story in Reader's Digest magazine. No,

897
00:48:44,520 --> 00:48:47,680
Speaker 2: they know that when Danny left their house, when Eli

898
00:48:47,719 --> 00:48:49,720
Speaker 2: came to pick him up, he was wearing blue pajamas.

899
00:48:49,800 --> 00:48:52,760
Speaker 2: That the fuck yeah. So they have a bad feeling

900
00:48:52,840 --> 00:48:55,120
Speaker 2: and they go to police, or they call police, and

901
00:48:55,160 --> 00:48:58,640
Speaker 2: the police come over and the investigator who was on

902
00:48:58,680 --> 00:49:01,160
Speaker 2: the scene when the body was is the one that

903
00:49:01,239 --> 00:49:03,440
Speaker 2: goes to the Barlow's house and they go pull out

904
00:49:03,440 --> 00:49:06,839
Speaker 2: a picture of Danny and he immediately knows that's the boy.

905
00:49:07,600 --> 00:49:10,440
Speaker 2: And they end up taking some of the things that

906
00:49:10,560 --> 00:49:13,319
Speaker 2: Danny left behind at the Barlow's house, one of which

907
00:49:13,400 --> 00:49:15,840
Speaker 2: was a copy of the Vellatine Rabbit Book, which was

908
00:49:15,840 --> 00:49:19,160
Speaker 2: his favorite book, and they fingerprint off of the pages

909
00:49:19,200 --> 00:49:21,360
Speaker 2: of that book and they identify it and it was

910
00:49:21,440 --> 00:49:28,080
Speaker 2: his body and so sad so on December fourteenth, it's

911
00:49:28,120 --> 00:49:32,600
Speaker 2: identified as Danny Stutsman and they realize Eli has been

912
00:49:32,640 --> 00:49:37,560
Speaker 2: sending letters from Danny to the grandparents seven months after

913
00:49:37,680 --> 00:49:39,080
Speaker 2: Danny was actually dead.

914
00:49:39,120 --> 00:49:41,879
Speaker 1: In that so he died immediately after leaving the Barlow's house,

915
00:49:41,920 --> 00:49:42,640
Speaker 1: probably because it's.

916
00:49:42,680 --> 00:49:46,359
Speaker 2: Pretty much exactly right you Texas town out. I believe

917
00:49:46,360 --> 00:49:49,920
Speaker 2: it was outside Fort Worth. Eli files a police report

918
00:49:49,960 --> 00:49:54,080
Speaker 2: because his car gets stolen, and immediately the police go

919
00:49:54,120 --> 00:49:59,480
Speaker 2: and arrest him and he's extradited to Wyoming. So when

920
00:49:59,520 --> 00:50:02,600
Speaker 2: he gets there, he tells the police that he picked

921
00:50:02,760 --> 00:50:05,239
Speaker 2: Danny up from the Barlow's and he was sick when

922
00:50:05,239 --> 00:50:08,600
Speaker 2: he picked him up, and they were driving all night

923
00:50:08,800 --> 00:50:12,600
Speaker 2: and Eli just assumed that he was sleeping, and then

924
00:50:12,640 --> 00:50:16,080
Speaker 2: at one point he checked on him because he wasn't responsive,

925
00:50:16,400 --> 00:50:19,520
Speaker 2: and he figured out that he was dead, so he

926
00:50:19,640 --> 00:50:22,120
Speaker 2: took Danny's body and laid it out in a field

927
00:50:22,320 --> 00:50:30,520
Speaker 2: quote where God could find him. Yeah, So upon learning

928
00:50:30,560 --> 00:50:34,640
Speaker 2: this and that bullshit story, the police reopened Ida's death

929
00:50:34,680 --> 00:50:38,320
Speaker 2: from nineteen seventy seven and they go talk to Ida's

930
00:50:38,360 --> 00:50:41,000
Speaker 2: doctor who is in this special and he is like this,

931
00:50:41,840 --> 00:50:44,760
Speaker 2: I'm assuming he's an Amish doctor because he's he looks

932
00:50:44,840 --> 00:50:47,720
Speaker 2: like a character actor from Little House in the Prairie

933
00:50:48,040 --> 00:50:50,200
Speaker 2: and he kind of talks like this is very quiet,

934
00:50:50,560 --> 00:50:54,520
Speaker 2: And basically the police went to them and they were

935
00:50:54,680 --> 00:50:59,560
Speaker 2: asking him about Ida's heart problem and he's like, what

936
00:50:59,600 --> 00:51:01,840
Speaker 2: are you talking talking about? She didn't have a heart problem,

937
00:51:02,000 --> 00:51:04,120
Speaker 2: and they're like but and he goes, where did you

938
00:51:04,120 --> 00:51:07,919
Speaker 2: get that? And they were like the husband and he's like, no, no, no,

939
00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:12,360
Speaker 2: she was in perfect health. So then they know basically

940
00:51:13,640 --> 00:51:16,400
Speaker 2: that he had something to do with that death, but

941
00:51:16,440 --> 00:51:20,560
Speaker 2: they have no evidence to connect him to it whatsoever.

942
00:51:23,040 --> 00:51:29,560
Speaker 2: When the Austin police asked him about Glenn Pritchard's death, though,

943
00:51:29,640 --> 00:51:32,600
Speaker 2: he changes his story from what the original story was

944
00:51:33,080 --> 00:51:35,799
Speaker 2: and he tells them that he was in the house

945
00:51:35,840 --> 00:51:39,960
Speaker 2: with Danny they heard a gunshot go off, but he

946
00:51:40,080 --> 00:51:42,520
Speaker 2: didn't get up and checked to see what the noise

947
00:51:42,719 --> 00:51:45,400
Speaker 2: was and then, yeah, right, how you would do if

948
00:51:45,440 --> 00:51:47,320
Speaker 2: you were in a house and someone else got shot.

949
00:51:47,719 --> 00:51:49,880
Speaker 2: And then the next morning when he got up to check,

950
00:51:50,200 --> 00:51:53,479
Speaker 2: Glenn was gone, and so he you know, he didn't

951
00:51:53,520 --> 00:51:58,320
Speaker 2: know what happened and never looked into it. So turns

952
00:51:58,320 --> 00:51:59,960
Speaker 2: out when the police go to talk to the neighbor,

953
00:52:00,160 --> 00:52:02,920
Speaker 2: the neighbors are like, we could hear them screaming about

954
00:52:02,960 --> 00:52:05,680
Speaker 2: money at each other constantly, and we heard the gun shot.

955
00:52:06,040 --> 00:52:08,799
Speaker 2: Oh my god. So they, like the neighbors tell a

956
00:52:08,840 --> 00:52:13,360
Speaker 2: totally different story. And so basically the theory becomes Danny

957
00:52:13,480 --> 00:52:17,000
Speaker 2: was there when his father shot Glenn Pritchard and he

958
00:52:17,040 --> 00:52:20,399
Speaker 2: didn't want the witness, so he smothered Danny and that's

959
00:52:20,400 --> 00:52:23,560
Speaker 2: why there was no signs of trauma on the body.

960
00:52:23,640 --> 00:52:24,560
Speaker 1: Oh my god.

961
00:52:24,840 --> 00:52:29,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then left his body in a fucking field,

962
00:52:29,239 --> 00:52:32,800
Speaker 2: which is just the weird Like that alone, the idea

963
00:52:32,840 --> 00:52:34,399
Speaker 2: that he thought he was gonna be able to tell

964
00:52:34,520 --> 00:52:37,239
Speaker 2: authorities that like left him where God could find him.

965
00:52:37,719 --> 00:52:39,880
Speaker 1: Where it's like like you thought that was okay somehow

966
00:52:39,920 --> 00:52:42,040
Speaker 1: where it's like, no one would think that was okay.

967
00:52:42,160 --> 00:52:45,880
Speaker 2: You would you would never do that to your child.

968
00:52:46,280 --> 00:52:51,840
Speaker 2: It doesn't even make sense anyway. On August. In August

969
00:52:51,840 --> 00:52:54,520
Speaker 2: of nineteen eighty nine, he sentenced to forty years in prison,

970
00:52:56,000 --> 00:52:58,200
Speaker 2: but he's paroled in March of two thousand and two,

971
00:52:58,880 --> 00:53:02,400
Speaker 2: ended up serving like a quarter of his terms. Stop

972
00:53:02,440 --> 00:53:06,560
Speaker 2: it everyone. But when he gets out, he moves to

973
00:53:06,640 --> 00:53:09,800
Speaker 2: Fort Worth. He lives a super low key life because

974
00:53:09,840 --> 00:53:11,400
Speaker 2: he found out while he was in prison that he

975
00:53:11,440 --> 00:53:16,359
Speaker 2: had HIV. Oh my god. So he ends up on

976
00:53:16,440 --> 00:53:20,160
Speaker 2: January thirty first, two thousand and seven, he committed suicide.

977
00:53:20,280 --> 00:53:22,360
Speaker 2: He slashed his wrists, sat down in a chair, and

978
00:53:22,360 --> 00:53:28,080
Speaker 2: then watched TV until he'd fled out and died. Holy shit. Yeah,

979
00:53:29,360 --> 00:53:33,880
Speaker 2: and that Eli Stutzman is the Amish serial killer. So

980
00:53:33,920 --> 00:53:36,040
Speaker 2: it's not serial in the way that we would love

981
00:53:36,080 --> 00:53:39,560
Speaker 2: it to be. Well, listen, we don't want we don't

982
00:53:39,600 --> 00:53:42,400
Speaker 2: love it, No, not love it. But like I'm thinking

983
00:53:42,440 --> 00:53:45,759
Speaker 2: Buffalo Bill when I start this story. But then it

984
00:53:45,880 --> 00:53:49,400
Speaker 2: is the thing of this is a a sociopath slash

985
00:53:49,400 --> 00:53:52,480
Speaker 2: psychopath who just would kill anybody that got in the

986
00:53:52,480 --> 00:53:54,520
Speaker 2: way of what he wanted to do in his life.

987
00:53:54,880 --> 00:53:57,040
Speaker 2: And the idea that that's coming out of it's just

988
00:53:57,080 --> 00:54:00,600
Speaker 2: like it just fascinates me. It could be it doesn't

989
00:54:00,600 --> 00:54:02,759
Speaker 2: matter how you grew up, It doesn't matter where you

990
00:54:02,800 --> 00:54:05,200
Speaker 2: came from, if you have that thing in your brain

991
00:54:05,719 --> 00:54:10,719
Speaker 2: that makes you only want to like win and like

992
00:54:10,840 --> 00:54:13,319
Speaker 2: dominate people, and it doesn't matter if.

993
00:54:13,200 --> 00:54:18,240
Speaker 1: You're like immune to fucking empathy. Empathy, Yeah, you're immune

994
00:54:18,239 --> 00:54:18,520
Speaker 1: to it.

995
00:54:18,760 --> 00:54:21,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, you don't give a shit. It's crazy. You just

996
00:54:21,480 --> 00:54:22,280
Speaker 2: do what you want.

997
00:54:22,880 --> 00:54:24,719
Speaker 1: And then you leave so many people in your way,

998
00:54:24,960 --> 00:54:29,200
Speaker 1: you know, Grant, the grandparents, horrible, these people, all of it,

999
00:54:29,239 --> 00:54:30,359
Speaker 1: and you just don't fucking care.

1000
00:54:31,640 --> 00:54:34,960
Speaker 2: And that again just over your nose. Deadly Devotion. That

1001
00:54:35,120 --> 00:54:37,080
Speaker 2: was that basically, I just told you that episode of

1002
00:54:37,080 --> 00:54:40,240
Speaker 2: Deadly Devotion, which I that's really enjoyed.

1003
00:54:40,360 --> 00:54:45,200
Speaker 1: Hi love that. Never heard of it. Incredible, not just

1004
00:54:45,239 --> 00:54:50,320
Speaker 1: the show, but like the concept. Yes, yeah, it's the right.

1005
00:54:53,760 --> 00:54:56,799
Speaker 2: Okay, we're back, Karen. Do you have any updates? I do. So.

1006
00:54:56,880 --> 00:54:59,880
Speaker 2: There's this author named Greg Olsen who's written a couple

1007
00:55:00,040 --> 00:55:04,479
Speaker 2: books about Eli Stutsman, and one is called The Amish Wife,

1008
00:55:04,600 --> 00:55:07,960
Speaker 2: Unraveling the Lie's Secrets and Conspiracy that let a killer

1009
00:55:08,000 --> 00:55:10,799
Speaker 2: go free, and it just basically is the deep dive

1010
00:55:10,840 --> 00:55:14,719
Speaker 2: into Ida's death. His book before that was called abandoned Prayers,

1011
00:55:14,880 --> 00:55:17,960
Speaker 2: but also about Eli's crimes. It's a deep dive. So

1012
00:55:18,000 --> 00:55:21,120
Speaker 2: there's a bunch more information the facts that have come

1013
00:55:21,160 --> 00:55:24,440
Speaker 2: to light and the evidence about the timeline, everything, the

1014
00:55:24,520 --> 00:55:27,440
Speaker 2: chronology whatever about this crime. So if you are into

1015
00:55:28,080 --> 00:55:30,400
Speaker 2: this and want to know more, Greg Wilsen is the

1016
00:55:30,480 --> 00:55:33,319
Speaker 2: author that you should look up. So with that, let's

1017
00:55:33,320 --> 00:55:36,880
Speaker 2: get into Georgia's story about the Springfield three Asia degree

1018
00:55:36,960 --> 00:55:46,920
Speaker 2: and Bobby Dunbar. Okay, peep boop. All right, listen, Like

1019
00:55:47,000 --> 00:55:49,000
Speaker 2: when I said that this is a this is a

1020
00:55:49,080 --> 00:55:51,280
Speaker 2: close or I didn't mean it was like a lighthearted story.

1021
00:55:51,400 --> 00:55:54,040
Speaker 2: So mom, oh okay, not happy about it. But there's

1022
00:55:54,120 --> 00:55:55,920
Speaker 2: no like, there's.

1023
00:55:55,760 --> 00:56:00,360
Speaker 1: Not a ton of like, uh, there's no gruesome details.

1024
00:56:00,520 --> 00:56:02,680
Speaker 2: I mean, I feel like if we ever sat down

1025
00:56:02,719 --> 00:56:06,760
Speaker 2: and did like a scientific pie graph or something, yeah,

1026
00:56:06,800 --> 00:56:09,959
Speaker 2: it would be like the one you can't get out

1027
00:56:10,000 --> 00:56:14,399
Speaker 2: of is dead children, right, Murdered children is the hardest, right.

1028
00:56:14,760 --> 00:56:16,719
Speaker 1: Okay, Well then this is a little bit all right,

1029
00:56:18,600 --> 00:56:22,480
Speaker 1: let me just do this, okay, Okay, in the in

1030
00:56:22,600 --> 00:56:25,520
Speaker 1: honor of what we talked about last weekend. Last week

1031
00:56:25,760 --> 00:56:28,840
Speaker 1: of like websites like rancor and all these of.

1032
00:56:28,719 --> 00:56:30,200
Speaker 2: Like the lists that they do.

1033
00:56:30,400 --> 00:56:34,440
Speaker 1: Yes, this is three super mysterious disappearances.

1034
00:56:34,600 --> 00:56:37,520
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, yes, let's do it. I'm changing the rules.

1035
00:56:37,600 --> 00:56:38,200
Speaker 2: I loving this.

1036
00:56:38,680 --> 00:56:40,759
Speaker 1: You could do whatever you want. I'm starting with the

1037
00:56:40,800 --> 00:56:45,799
Speaker 1: Springfield Three. You know them. Okay, this is so this

1038
00:56:45,840 --> 00:56:48,239
Speaker 1: is just weird to me because there's there's nothing.

1039
00:56:48,280 --> 00:56:49,360
Speaker 2: Let's read about it. Okay.

1040
00:56:49,480 --> 00:56:53,399
Speaker 1: The Springfield three story begins June seventh, nineteen ninety two.

1041
00:56:53,880 --> 00:56:58,560
Speaker 1: Two friends, Susie Streeter she's nineteen, and Stacy McCall, she's eighteen.

1042
00:56:58,600 --> 00:57:01,479
Speaker 1: So picture the bangs and the fucking bleach blonde hair.

1043
00:57:04,320 --> 00:57:09,680
Speaker 1: They the two girls graduated from Kickapoo High School the

1044
00:57:09,760 --> 00:57:13,759
Speaker 1: day before, and so they're celebrating, like graduation of that

1045
00:57:13,800 --> 00:57:18,440
Speaker 1: sort of thing. So they are seen around two am

1046
00:57:18,560 --> 00:57:21,720
Speaker 1: on June seventh, leaving the last of the graduation parties

1047
00:57:21,720 --> 00:57:23,840
Speaker 1: they at attended that evening. They were supposed to spend

1048
00:57:23,840 --> 00:57:25,120
Speaker 1: the night at a friend's house, but when they got

1049
00:57:25,120 --> 00:57:27,160
Speaker 1: to the friend's house, it was too crowded, probably with

1050
00:57:27,200 --> 00:57:29,920
Speaker 1: people sleeping and not sleeping, so they were like, fuck it,

1051
00:57:30,120 --> 00:57:31,280
Speaker 1: We're going back.

1052
00:57:31,080 --> 00:57:32,160
Speaker 2: To Susie's house.

1053
00:57:32,880 --> 00:57:37,000
Speaker 1: And at Susie's house was Susie's mom, Cheryl Levitt. She's

1054
00:57:37,040 --> 00:57:40,760
Speaker 1: forty seven. She's a cosmetologist at a local salon. She's

1055
00:57:40,800 --> 00:57:43,080
Speaker 1: a single mother, and she's really close with her daughter.

1056
00:57:43,200 --> 00:57:46,440
Speaker 1: So they go back to her house. The next morning,

1057
00:57:46,720 --> 00:57:50,680
Speaker 1: around nine am, a friend her boyfriend go to the

1058
00:57:50,720 --> 00:57:55,320
Speaker 1: house to pick up because the two girls were supposed

1059
00:57:55,360 --> 00:57:57,240
Speaker 1: to have picked them up to go to like a

1060
00:57:57,240 --> 00:58:01,720
Speaker 1: water park for the graduation activities, blah blah blah. When

1061
00:58:01,720 --> 00:58:05,600
Speaker 1: they get there, they find the front door unlocked and

1062
00:58:05,640 --> 00:58:07,600
Speaker 1: they go in the house, but there's no sign of

1063
00:58:07,680 --> 00:58:11,280
Speaker 1: any of the three women. Each of their cars are

1064
00:58:11,400 --> 00:58:14,880
Speaker 1: parked outside, and all their personal property is left behind,

1065
00:58:14,920 --> 00:58:18,840
Speaker 1: including their purses, money, keys, cigarettes, as well as the

1066
00:58:18,840 --> 00:58:21,800
Speaker 1: family dog, who's super agitated and locked in the bathroom,

1067
00:58:22,560 --> 00:58:24,720
Speaker 1: so they're like, what the fuck. The only weird thing

1068
00:58:24,760 --> 00:58:27,760
Speaker 1: at the scene is that the glass lampshade of the

1069
00:58:27,800 --> 00:58:31,680
Speaker 1: porch light had been shattered, but the bulb inside had

1070
00:58:31,720 --> 00:58:35,800
Speaker 1: been left intact, So the boyfriend sweeps the broken glass

1071
00:58:35,840 --> 00:58:42,440
Speaker 1: up to be helpful, and they While they're inside, they

1072
00:58:42,480 --> 00:58:47,280
Speaker 1: also answer a strange and disturbing call from an unidentified

1073
00:58:47,320 --> 00:58:52,680
Speaker 1: male who made sexual induendos innuendos to who answered the phone.

1074
00:58:52,720 --> 00:58:55,560
Speaker 1: The girl of the couple. Oh oh was there, Yeah,

1075
00:58:55,600 --> 00:58:57,440
Speaker 1: so they went to check on them. The girl's just

1076
00:58:57,440 --> 00:58:58,000
Speaker 1: a phone.

1077
00:58:57,800 --> 00:59:00,000
Speaker 2: So immediately a dirty phone call, the dirty phone call.

1078
00:59:00,080 --> 00:59:04,120
Speaker 1: Immediately she hangs up and then another call immediately comes

1079
00:59:04,120 --> 00:59:07,120
Speaker 1: in again of sexual nature, and she hangs up again.

1080
00:59:09,480 --> 00:59:15,760
Speaker 2: Let's see so they okay, okay. There another the.

1081
00:59:16,120 --> 00:59:22,040
Speaker 1: Mother of the girl, Stacy, who wasn't who didn't live

1082
00:59:22,080 --> 00:59:22,560
Speaker 1: at the house.

1083
00:59:22,760 --> 00:59:25,280
Speaker 2: She later goes to visit the house to be like,

1084
00:59:25,320 --> 00:59:26,840
Speaker 2: where's the fuck is my daughter? I can't get a

1085
00:59:26,840 --> 00:59:31,400
Speaker 2: hold of her, and she inside notices all three of

1086
00:59:31,440 --> 00:59:32,280
Speaker 2: the purses are there.

1087
00:59:32,320 --> 00:59:35,320
Speaker 1: Of course, sees her daughter's clothing neatly folded from the

1088
00:59:35,400 --> 00:59:39,680
Speaker 1: night before. She calls the police and after placing the call,

1089
00:59:39,760 --> 00:59:42,280
Speaker 1: while checking the phones to answering machine, she finds a

1090
00:59:42,320 --> 00:59:49,200
Speaker 1: strange message left, but somehow it was inavertently erased the message,

1091
00:59:49,240 --> 00:59:51,560
Speaker 1: so we don't know what the message is and what

1092
00:59:51,600 --> 00:59:52,760
Speaker 1: it could have meant.

1093
00:59:52,520 --> 00:59:54,840
Speaker 2: And did she say what she just said. It was

1094
00:59:54,880 --> 00:59:55,600
Speaker 2: a weird message.

1095
00:59:55,600 --> 00:59:59,200
Speaker 1: I think it was like another sexual nature message. So

1096
01:00:00,400 --> 01:00:03,040
Speaker 1: police were very interested in the calm believed it may

1097
01:00:03,080 --> 01:00:11,240
Speaker 1: have been contained a clue. But it's fucking gone, just gone, forever, gone, forever.

1098
01:00:11,120 --> 01:00:15,560
Speaker 2: Because this is early nineties, Like, was it still like

1099
01:00:15,600 --> 01:00:18,240
Speaker 2: an answer machine would tape in it? Yeah? I think so, right,

1100
01:00:18,280 --> 01:00:21,360
Speaker 2: We just you rewind it, yeah, and record over it.

1101
01:00:21,400 --> 01:00:25,240
Speaker 2: They still existed then, Yeah, although there was a you

1102
01:00:25,240 --> 01:00:29,160
Speaker 2: know that well in our household. Anyway, we got the

1103
01:00:29,280 --> 01:00:33,880
Speaker 2: like call the answering machine became. It was just in

1104
01:00:33,960 --> 01:00:36,959
Speaker 2: your phone. It just basically got ordered what you wanted, right.

1105
01:00:37,040 --> 01:00:39,040
Speaker 2: It would take messages, but then you could also get

1106
01:00:39,240 --> 01:00:42,400
Speaker 2: That's when Stars sixty nine made its Grand de blue.

1107
01:00:42,440 --> 01:00:45,640
Speaker 1: I remember when we had that like silver and black

1108
01:00:45,680 --> 01:00:48,760
Speaker 1: fucking message machine with a tiny cassette inside, and you

1109
01:00:48,760 --> 01:00:50,800
Speaker 1: would listen to a message, and then you rewound the

1110
01:00:50,840 --> 01:00:54,520
Speaker 1: tape yep, and recorded over it, and then you could

1111
01:00:54,520 --> 01:00:56,360
Speaker 1: get new messages, which you could only get as many

1112
01:00:56,400 --> 01:01:00,160
Speaker 1: messages as were as could be uh left on that

1113
01:01:00,160 --> 01:01:03,200
Speaker 1: little cassette. I fucking loved that machine. Yeah, it was fascinating.

1114
01:01:03,240 --> 01:01:10,760
Speaker 1: It was amazing. Yeah, Jesus Christ. Okay, So the police

1115
01:01:11,320 --> 01:01:15,560
Speaker 1: aren't called for sixteen hours after the women were last

1116
01:01:15,560 --> 01:01:20,120
Speaker 1: seen at two am the night before, and other worried

1117
01:01:20,160 --> 01:01:22,440
Speaker 1: friends and family called and visited a home that day,

1118
01:01:22,480 --> 01:01:25,080
Speaker 1: which means a fucking shit ton of people walked through

1119
01:01:25,080 --> 01:01:28,600
Speaker 1: the house during the day ten to twenty people walked

1120
01:01:28,600 --> 01:01:33,440
Speaker 1: through the house. Upon arrival, the officers noticed no signs

1121
01:01:33,480 --> 01:01:36,640
Speaker 1: of a struggle except for the shattered porch light, and

1122
01:01:37,040 --> 01:01:39,640
Speaker 1: they also noted that the beds had been slept in

1123
01:01:40,280 --> 01:01:47,240
Speaker 1: sod had been so In nineteen ninety seven, Levitt and

1124
01:01:47,320 --> 01:01:51,280
Speaker 1: Street are declared legally dead, but their case files are

1125
01:01:51,320 --> 01:01:55,240
Speaker 1: still officially listed under missing. Investigators received a tip that

1126
01:01:55,280 --> 01:01:57,880
Speaker 1: the women's bodies were buried in the foundations of the

1127
01:01:57,920 --> 01:02:01,600
Speaker 1: South Parking Garage at Cox hospitall So in two thousand

1128
01:02:01,640 --> 01:02:06,200
Speaker 1: and seven, crime reporter Kathie Bayard brought a man named

1129
01:02:06,280 --> 01:02:11,440
Speaker 1: nick Rick Norland, a mechanical engineer, to Springfield to scan

1130
01:02:11,880 --> 01:02:15,320
Speaker 1: the corner of the parking lot with ground penetrating radar.

1131
01:02:16,840 --> 01:02:21,600
Speaker 1: He found three anomalies roughly the same size quote that

1132
01:02:21,720 --> 01:02:24,920
Speaker 1: he said, we're consistent with a grave site location in

1133
01:02:24,960 --> 01:02:28,560
Speaker 1: the foundation fuck. Two of the anomalies were parallel and

1134
01:02:28,600 --> 01:02:32,160
Speaker 1: the other was perpendicular, so like kind of like cross hatched.

1135
01:02:33,120 --> 01:02:36,280
Speaker 1: The Springfield Police Department didn't believe the scan was conclusive

1136
01:02:36,360 --> 01:02:39,600
Speaker 1: enough to justify tearing up the concrete, and also said

1137
01:02:39,600 --> 01:02:41,640
Speaker 1: at the parking garage was completed a year after the

1138
01:02:41,680 --> 01:02:46,640
Speaker 1: women's disappearance. But they could have been left somewhere so

1139
01:02:46,760 --> 01:02:49,919
Speaker 1: it was never tore up. But people think it's there

1140
01:02:50,040 --> 01:02:52,360
Speaker 1: then read it's also like here's how you're fucking wrong.

1141
01:02:52,400 --> 01:02:54,320
Speaker 2: It's not, oh, you know, okay.

1142
01:02:54,440 --> 01:02:57,040
Speaker 1: So then in nineteen ninety seven, Robert Craig Cox, he's

1143
01:02:57,800 --> 01:03:01,320
Speaker 1: imprisoned in Texas as a convicted kidnapper and robber and

1144
01:03:01,360 --> 01:03:03,040
Speaker 1: the suspect in a Florida murder.

1145
01:03:03,120 --> 01:03:04,200
Speaker 2: He told journalists that.

1146
01:03:04,160 --> 01:03:06,680
Speaker 1: He knew where the three women had been murdered and buried,

1147
01:03:06,920 --> 01:03:08,680
Speaker 1: and claimed their bodies would never be found.

1148
01:03:09,400 --> 01:03:10,560
Speaker 2: He in nineteen ninety two.

1149
01:03:10,600 --> 01:03:12,600
Speaker 1: At the time he had been living in Springfield, but

1150
01:03:12,920 --> 01:03:15,280
Speaker 1: had alibis for the night. But it was like his

1151
01:03:15,320 --> 01:03:17,360
Speaker 1: girlfriend at the time, who has since been like nobody

1152
01:03:17,440 --> 01:03:21,920
Speaker 1: was fucking lying about it. Yeah, he said that he

1153
01:03:21,960 --> 01:03:24,560
Speaker 1: would disclose to what he would disclose what happened to

1154
01:03:24,560 --> 01:03:27,840
Speaker 1: the three women after his mother had died, but he

1155
01:03:27,880 --> 01:03:32,120
Speaker 1: knewould happen, And as of today, a couple tips a

1156
01:03:32,200 --> 01:03:35,040
Speaker 1: month still come in, but no one knows what happened

1157
01:03:35,080 --> 01:03:36,680
Speaker 1: to the Springfield three.

1158
01:03:37,040 --> 01:03:42,160
Speaker 2: Oh my god, these three fucking women. And that guy's

1159
01:03:42,160 --> 01:03:45,200
Speaker 2: mother hasn't died I guess not, but he's but everyone thinks.

1160
01:03:45,400 --> 01:03:47,120
Speaker 2: But everyone also thinks he's lying.

1161
01:03:47,840 --> 01:03:50,440
Speaker 1: Oh, he's just trying to get some kind of but

1162
01:03:50,480 --> 01:03:54,080
Speaker 1: a kidnapper from that neighborhood, you know.

1163
01:03:54,520 --> 01:03:57,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just crazy. That's super crazy.

1164
01:03:57,800 --> 01:04:02,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, so the next one is okay, So a

1165
01:04:02,880 --> 01:04:06,880
Speaker 1: girl named Asha Decree I'm sorry Asia Degree. She's born

1166
01:04:06,920 --> 01:04:10,880
Speaker 1: Aisha Is born August fifth, nineteen ninety. She's a fucking

1167
01:04:11,000 --> 01:04:14,160
Speaker 1: normal nine year old fourth grader from Shelby, North Carolina.

1168
01:04:14,400 --> 01:04:18,520
Speaker 1: Normal girl, happy family, et cetera. The night of February fourteenth,

1169
01:04:18,520 --> 01:04:22,919
Speaker 1: two thousand, Asha and her brother went to sleep as

1170
01:04:23,000 --> 01:04:24,760
Speaker 1: usual in the room they shared.

1171
01:04:24,480 --> 01:04:25,160
Speaker 2: Her older brother.

1172
01:04:25,480 --> 01:04:27,560
Speaker 1: Almost an hour later, the power went out in the

1173
01:04:27,560 --> 01:04:31,000
Speaker 1: neighborhood after a nearby car accident, which is fucking creepy

1174
01:04:31,040 --> 01:04:34,400
Speaker 1: and weird but isn't connected to this.

1175
01:04:34,680 --> 01:04:36,360
Speaker 2: But I think it's just creepy.

1176
01:04:36,520 --> 01:04:41,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's restored. And then after that, her dad, Harold,

1177
01:04:41,200 --> 01:04:43,280
Speaker 1: returns home from work around twelve thirty in the morning.

1178
01:04:43,320 --> 01:04:47,120
Speaker 1: He checks on his daughter and son, just saw them

1179
01:04:47,120 --> 01:04:50,400
Speaker 1: both sleeping normal, but shortly after he went to bed

1180
01:04:50,440 --> 01:04:54,040
Speaker 1: around two thirty am, he recalls hearing Asha's bed squeak

1181
01:04:55,400 --> 01:04:58,919
Speaker 1: At that point, allegedly, Asha got out of bed, took

1182
01:04:58,920 --> 01:05:01,440
Speaker 1: a book bag she had previously packed with several sets

1183
01:05:01,480 --> 01:05:03,920
Speaker 1: of clothes and personal items, and left the house.

1184
01:05:04,280 --> 01:05:07,200
Speaker 2: She's not heard of this. Yeah, it's crazy, it's crazy.

1185
01:05:07,320 --> 01:05:08,960
Speaker 2: She's nine years old. Yes, leaves.

1186
01:05:09,720 --> 01:05:12,840
Speaker 1: Between three forty five am and four fifteen am, two

1187
01:05:12,960 --> 01:05:17,400
Speaker 1: drivers saw her walking south along Highway eighteen wearing a

1188
01:05:17,480 --> 01:05:22,160
Speaker 1: long sleeve white T shirt and white pants, and one

1189
01:05:22,240 --> 01:05:25,439
Speaker 1: witness reported seeing her at about four am and said

1190
01:05:25,480 --> 01:05:27,440
Speaker 1: that he turned his car around because he thought it

1191
01:05:27,520 --> 01:05:29,800
Speaker 1: was strange that such a small child would be out

1192
01:05:29,840 --> 01:05:33,000
Speaker 1: by herself at that hour, but when he circled three times,

1193
01:05:33,440 --> 01:05:36,000
Speaker 1: he saw her run into the woods by the roadside

1194
01:05:36,000 --> 01:05:36,560
Speaker 1: and disappear.

1195
01:05:37,320 --> 01:05:41,520
Speaker 2: It's just bone chilling. I know. I think you're say

1196
01:05:41,520 --> 01:05:43,680
Speaker 2: you're driving home, you went to a party. You're like,

1197
01:05:43,760 --> 01:05:45,240
Speaker 2: I want to leave. I don't want to be at

1198
01:05:45,240 --> 01:05:47,600
Speaker 2: this party. People like, please just stay two more hours.

1199
01:05:48,120 --> 01:05:51,560
Speaker 2: Blood BiH blood. Suddenly four am, an I'm leaving. As

1200
01:05:51,600 --> 01:05:55,320
Speaker 2: you're driving home, you're like sober bummed, wanted to go

1201
01:05:55,360 --> 01:05:57,440
Speaker 2: home three hours ago. This is how I picture everything

1202
01:05:57,480 --> 01:06:00,560
Speaker 2: in my life. And then you're driving down a highway

1203
01:06:00,640 --> 01:06:04,320
Speaker 2: and see a child dressed in all whites, walking with

1204
01:06:04,360 --> 01:06:07,440
Speaker 2: a book back and you never stop screaming. And then

1205
01:06:07,480 --> 01:06:09,720
Speaker 2: you go back. You're like, what the fuck this is weird.

1206
01:06:09,760 --> 01:06:12,320
Speaker 1: You go back and you go to drive by her again,

1207
01:06:12,360 --> 01:06:14,800
Speaker 1: and she runs into the fucking ones, fucking darts away.

1208
01:06:14,880 --> 01:06:18,320
Speaker 2: What do you do? Call the police? You call the police,

1209
01:06:18,400 --> 01:06:20,840
Speaker 2: sit right, you pull your car over, you leave it there,

1210
01:06:21,240 --> 01:06:21,920
Speaker 2: call the police.

1211
01:06:22,080 --> 01:06:25,760
Speaker 1: But you don't have cell phones yet? Oh shit, yeah,

1212
01:06:26,080 --> 01:06:28,520
Speaker 1: no cell phones. Maybe he went home and called.

1213
01:06:28,600 --> 01:06:31,400
Speaker 2: Maybe why wasn't he a rich guy with one of

1214
01:06:31,440 --> 01:06:35,280
Speaker 2: those crazy huge cell phones in his car? Rich guys?

1215
01:06:35,600 --> 01:06:39,440
Speaker 2: This isn't fucking Dallas or whatever TV show they had

1216
01:06:39,440 --> 01:06:39,720
Speaker 2: those in?

1217
01:06:41,440 --> 01:06:46,120
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, and said there was okay, it was a

1218
01:06:46,200 --> 01:06:48,720
Speaker 1: rainy night. To add that to this, not a fucking thing.

1219
01:06:49,120 --> 01:06:51,160
Speaker 1: A rainy night, and the witness said there was a

1220
01:06:51,200 --> 01:06:53,080
Speaker 1: storm raging when he saw her.

1221
01:06:53,520 --> 01:06:56,440
Speaker 2: No, there's no way I wouldn't think that was a

1222
01:06:56,440 --> 01:07:00,120
Speaker 2: ghost if I saw it. Oh yeah, because it's so insane.

1223
01:07:01,360 --> 01:07:04,760
Speaker 1: At six thirty am that morning, Asha's mother went into

1224
01:07:04,800 --> 01:07:07,840
Speaker 1: the kids room to wake them up. She found Asia gone,

1225
01:07:11,360 --> 01:07:13,440
Speaker 1: and she called the police, who were arrived by six

1226
01:07:13,520 --> 01:07:16,280
Speaker 1: forty five. Six forty am police dogs are called at

1227
01:07:16,280 --> 01:07:20,000
Speaker 1: the scene, they could not pick up Asia's ccent. So

1228
01:07:20,120 --> 01:07:23,520
Speaker 1: February seventeenth, two days after the search began, candy wrappers

1229
01:07:23,520 --> 01:07:26,160
Speaker 1: are found in a shed in a nearby business along

1230
01:07:26,160 --> 01:07:29,720
Speaker 1: the highway, near where Asia had been seen running into

1231
01:07:29,720 --> 01:07:30,160
Speaker 1: the woods.

1232
01:07:30,200 --> 01:07:31,959
Speaker 2: So candy wrappers, okay.

1233
01:07:32,000 --> 01:07:34,960
Speaker 1: Along with them or a pencil, a marker, and a

1234
01:07:35,040 --> 01:07:37,920
Speaker 1: Mickey Mouse shaped hair bow that were identified as belonging

1235
01:07:38,000 --> 01:07:41,160
Speaker 1: to her. So it's almost like she ran away at

1236
01:07:41,160 --> 01:07:43,880
Speaker 1: this point, it seems yeah, right, yeah, but why would

1237
01:07:43,880 --> 01:07:47,000
Speaker 1: a kid run away in a raging storm? That doesn't

1238
01:07:47,000 --> 01:07:47,640
Speaker 1: seem normal?

1239
01:07:48,840 --> 01:07:52,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, I bet it started raining when she was dying outside.

1240
01:07:53,040 --> 01:07:56,200
Speaker 2: I wouldn't think, right, because any plan you would have

1241
01:07:56,280 --> 01:07:57,919
Speaker 2: if it was rainy, you'd be like, I'll do this,

1242
01:07:58,320 --> 01:07:59,760
Speaker 2: yeah for sure. Okay.

1243
01:08:00,000 --> 01:08:02,919
Speaker 1: A week later, after no other traces or witnesses were found,

1244
01:08:02,960 --> 01:08:06,920
Speaker 1: the search was called off. FBI got involved and noted

1245
01:08:06,960 --> 01:08:09,640
Speaker 1: she was not a typical runaway.

1246
01:08:09,680 --> 01:08:10,080
Speaker 2: Obviously.

1247
01:08:10,160 --> 01:08:12,760
Speaker 1: She was under twelve, didn't have normal stuff such as

1248
01:08:12,760 --> 01:08:17,240
Speaker 1: a dysfunctional family, she didn't have bad grades, and by

1249
01:08:17,240 --> 01:08:20,160
Speaker 1: all accounts, she was a shy, sweet girl with close family,

1250
01:08:20,520 --> 01:08:21,360
Speaker 1: church community.

1251
01:08:21,439 --> 01:08:24,280
Speaker 2: All this shit. She didn't even have a computer in

1252
01:08:24,280 --> 01:08:24,559
Speaker 2: the house.

1253
01:08:24,560 --> 01:08:26,320
Speaker 1: So the thing of like her running away to meet

1254
01:08:26,320 --> 01:08:27,400
Speaker 1: someone she met online.

1255
01:08:27,680 --> 01:08:28,400
Speaker 2: Oh that's not.

1256
01:08:28,400 --> 01:08:31,320
Speaker 1: That doesn't make any sense, I mean doesn't make sense

1257
01:08:31,439 --> 01:08:35,040
Speaker 1: right right. There was no blood, no signs of a

1258
01:08:35,080 --> 01:08:38,439
Speaker 1: struggle or car accident, and for eighteen months everything stalled

1259
01:08:38,600 --> 01:08:42,599
Speaker 1: until Asia's book bound book bag was found during a

1260
01:08:42,840 --> 01:08:47,280
Speaker 1: construction project. So the backpack with her name and telephone

1261
01:08:47,360 --> 01:08:50,719
Speaker 1: number written inside, was found wrapped in a plastic trash

1262
01:08:50,760 --> 01:08:54,960
Speaker 1: bag about twenty six miles from her home. It was

1263
01:08:55,000 --> 01:08:57,760
Speaker 1: said that the bag looks carefully prepared, as if she

1264
01:08:57,800 --> 01:09:00,599
Speaker 1: were instructed by an adult what to pass no.

1265
01:09:01,800 --> 01:09:06,120
Speaker 2: In May twenty sixteen, the FBI announced that their reinvestigation

1266
01:09:06,200 --> 01:09:08,439
Speaker 2: of the case had turned up a new witness that

1267
01:09:08,560 --> 01:09:11,760
Speaker 2: had come forward and reported seeing a girl who resembled

1268
01:09:11,800 --> 01:09:15,639
Speaker 2: Asia getting into a dark green nineteen seventies Lincoln Mark

1269
01:09:16,360 --> 01:09:21,800
Speaker 2: four or Ford Thunderbird with rest around the wheel and

1270
01:09:23,320 --> 01:09:24,400
Speaker 2: near where she was last seen.

1271
01:09:25,439 --> 01:09:30,439
Speaker 1: So a scholarship in her name is was created for

1272
01:09:30,520 --> 01:09:35,960
Speaker 1: deserving local students and family members hold an annual March

1273
01:09:36,040 --> 01:09:38,360
Speaker 1: each February, retracing what they believe is.

1274
01:09:38,320 --> 01:09:40,840
Speaker 2: The path that she took the night she vanished. That

1275
01:09:40,880 --> 01:09:41,599
Speaker 2: they don't know why.

1276
01:09:41,640 --> 01:09:43,640
Speaker 1: And the thing about the path she took too, is

1277
01:09:43,680 --> 01:09:46,360
Speaker 1: that it's.

1278
01:09:45,200 --> 01:09:47,759
Speaker 2: The path that her school bus took in the morning.

1279
01:09:47,920 --> 01:09:50,000
Speaker 2: It's not or like when she went to school. It's

1280
01:09:50,040 --> 01:09:53,439
Speaker 2: not an easily walkable path. It's almost like it was

1281
01:09:53,479 --> 01:09:56,080
Speaker 2: the only way she knew how to get from certain

1282
01:09:56,080 --> 01:09:58,719
Speaker 2: points in town because she took it every day. Yeah,

1283
01:09:58,800 --> 01:10:03,519
Speaker 2: rather than that was her purposeful planned like that she

1284
01:10:03,680 --> 01:10:06,679
Speaker 2: knows if she's going to go to, say, the town library, right,

1285
01:10:06,880 --> 01:10:08,519
Speaker 2: this is the way she's going to get this library

1286
01:10:08,520 --> 01:10:11,920
Speaker 2: the way you go. Yeah. Oh, it's just this weird

1287
01:10:12,000 --> 01:10:18,000
Speaker 2: story that is maddening because it's like who got into

1288
01:10:18,000 --> 01:10:20,559
Speaker 2: her ear? Yeah, it was like do you want to

1289
01:10:20,720 --> 01:10:22,360
Speaker 2: audition for a TV? Do you?

1290
01:10:22,479 --> 01:10:24,760
Speaker 1: How come she shouldn't tell any of her friends like

1291
01:10:24,840 --> 01:10:26,400
Speaker 1: oh I met this person.

1292
01:10:27,000 --> 01:10:32,720
Speaker 2: Or her parents like, oh my god, that's maddening. And

1293
01:10:32,760 --> 01:10:35,360
Speaker 2: how long ago did it happen? This happened into It

1294
01:10:35,360 --> 01:10:40,519
Speaker 2: happened in two thousand, man, and she's nine. It's so

1295
01:10:40,640 --> 01:10:45,479
Speaker 2: much younger than Yeah, that's like that makes me think

1296
01:10:45,479 --> 01:10:51,080
Speaker 2: it's like someone who's like mad her made her believe

1297
01:10:51,960 --> 01:10:55,559
Speaker 2: something mm hmm, that she could have something that she

1298
01:10:55,680 --> 01:11:00,519
Speaker 2: normally couldn't have. Yeah, yeah, like, if you meet me here,

1299
01:11:01,160 --> 01:11:03,080
Speaker 2: I'm giving away this pony, right.

1300
01:11:03,120 --> 01:11:07,680
Speaker 1: Shit right, fucks really and then like all of that

1301
01:11:07,800 --> 01:11:10,120
Speaker 1: up until that point is like, Okay, she ran away

1302
01:11:10,120 --> 01:11:11,360
Speaker 1: from home for a certain reason.

1303
01:11:11,840 --> 01:11:12,880
Speaker 2: Everything would have been normal.

1304
01:11:12,960 --> 01:11:16,000
Speaker 1: But then when they find her backpack buried wrapped in

1305
01:11:16,040 --> 01:11:20,320
Speaker 1: plastic something she ran into someone or something.

1306
01:11:20,840 --> 01:11:24,000
Speaker 2: And the thing's in the backpack. Yeah, if somebody like

1307
01:11:24,120 --> 01:11:27,839
Speaker 2: that idea that she packed it specifically for a reason,

1308
01:11:27,960 --> 01:11:32,000
Speaker 2: yeah it was a plan. Yeah, God damn fucked up. Horrifying.

1309
01:11:32,000 --> 01:11:36,799
Speaker 1: All right, the last one has a resolution, Okay, Okay,

1310
01:11:37,240 --> 01:11:41,200
Speaker 1: Bobby Dunbar ready for this, yes, okay. Bobby Dunbar was

1311
01:11:41,200 --> 01:11:46,679
Speaker 1: the firstborn son to Lessie and Percy Dunbar of Opielai

1312
01:11:47,040 --> 01:11:57,120
Speaker 1: op Hawaii. No to a town in Louisiana, okay, Oplaosis Nope, Louisiana.

1313
01:11:57,360 --> 01:12:00,720
Speaker 2: In August nineteen twelve, I think who send it? I

1314
01:12:00,760 --> 01:12:05,519
Speaker 2: could be wrong, but Lucinda Williams has a song. It's

1315
01:12:05,520 --> 01:12:12,120
Speaker 2: say it. I think it's Opele Losses opal Lass. That

1316
01:12:12,200 --> 01:12:17,400
Speaker 2: must be it. Or I'm thinking of Nagadochius. Yeah, forget it.

1317
01:12:17,439 --> 01:12:21,599
Speaker 2: The song might be about Bobby Dunbar. Okay. In August

1318
01:12:21,640 --> 01:12:23,000
Speaker 2: of nineteen twelve.

1319
01:12:23,280 --> 01:12:26,160
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, the Dunbars took a fishing trip to nearby

1320
01:12:26,240 --> 01:12:31,000
Speaker 1: Swayze Lake in Saint Landry Parish, Louisiana. While on that trip,

1321
01:12:32,320 --> 01:12:37,960
Speaker 1: little Bobby Dunbar disappears. After an eight month search, authorities

1322
01:12:38,000 --> 01:12:41,040
Speaker 1: found a handyman traveling through Mississippi with a boy. And

1323
01:12:41,080 --> 01:12:43,880
Speaker 1: it's like this crazy search with his photo everywhere. It's

1324
01:12:43,880 --> 01:12:47,120
Speaker 1: this missing child blah blah blah, who appeared to match

1325
01:12:47,160 --> 01:12:51,240
Speaker 1: the description of Bobby Dunbar. The man with him, William

1326
01:12:51,360 --> 01:12:54,920
Speaker 1: Can't can't weell Walters. He claims that the boy was

1327
01:12:54,960 --> 01:13:00,200
Speaker 1: actually named Charles Bruce Anderson, and he was the of

1328
01:13:00,240 --> 01:13:03,760
Speaker 1: a woman who he who worked for his family, and

1329
01:13:03,800 --> 01:13:09,479
Speaker 1: that the boy's mother, named Julia Andrew Anderson, she had

1330
01:13:09,520 --> 01:13:14,240
Speaker 1: willingly granted him in custody of this boy and doesn't matter.

1331
01:13:14,439 --> 01:13:18,160
Speaker 1: Fucking Walters is arrested and authorities sent for the Dunbars

1332
01:13:18,200 --> 01:13:21,160
Speaker 1: to come to Mississippi and identify this boy that they

1333
01:13:21,240 --> 01:13:22,599
Speaker 1: think is their son.

1334
01:13:22,720 --> 01:13:24,280
Speaker 2: Oh okay, they think is his son. They think it's

1335
01:13:24,320 --> 01:13:26,200
Speaker 2: Bobby Dunbar. Do you know how much longer it was

1336
01:13:26,280 --> 01:13:27,360
Speaker 2: after he disappeared.

1337
01:13:27,400 --> 01:13:31,120
Speaker 1: It was eight months? Oh okay, yeah, so pretty quickly

1338
01:13:32,960 --> 01:13:35,519
Speaker 1: upon seeing the missing son, her missing son. There's like,

1339
01:13:35,720 --> 01:13:39,360
Speaker 1: there's different reports. Some say that the mother Lessie like

1340
01:13:39,600 --> 01:13:42,280
Speaker 1: freaked out and was like my son, and Bobby Dunbar

1341
01:13:42,640 --> 01:13:44,760
Speaker 1: was like mom, you know, and they embraced. And other

1342
01:13:44,800 --> 01:13:49,200
Speaker 1: people said that that the boy cried and said that

1343
01:13:49,400 --> 01:13:53,400
Speaker 1: and agreed that this wasn't that his mother, you know,

1344
01:13:53,520 --> 01:13:57,519
Speaker 1: was someone else? Yeah? How could those? How could be

1345
01:13:57,600 --> 01:14:01,400
Speaker 1: two different, exact opposite stories. Didn't it happen in a

1346
01:14:01,400 --> 01:14:04,800
Speaker 1: police station? Yeah, I think there would be an official Yeah,

1347
01:14:04,840 --> 01:14:07,880
Speaker 1: but media, man, they like to true not that they're

1348
01:14:08,520 --> 01:14:09,759
Speaker 1: not talking shit on media.

1349
01:14:09,800 --> 01:14:13,559
Speaker 2: Everyone's great vital et cetera now more than ever.

1350
01:14:15,160 --> 01:14:18,680
Speaker 1: So Yeah, so they're like, all right, maybe this is

1351
01:14:18,720 --> 01:14:21,840
Speaker 1: our kid. Let's bring him home tonight and see how

1352
01:14:21,880 --> 01:14:23,960
Speaker 1: it goes. It's just like the change link, just like

1353
01:14:24,000 --> 01:14:25,960
Speaker 1: the Changeling in a real fucking life.

1354
01:14:25,960 --> 01:14:28,840
Speaker 2: It happened like thirty years before. Yeah. Fuck, Okay, can

1355
01:14:28,880 --> 01:14:29,600
Speaker 2: you imagine?

1356
01:14:29,960 --> 01:14:31,439
Speaker 1: I mean, I guess at the time you don't have

1357
01:14:31,479 --> 01:14:33,640
Speaker 1: photos or something, but not knowing if this person is

1358
01:14:33,680 --> 01:14:36,040
Speaker 1: your kid or not, how does that happen?

1359
01:14:36,280 --> 01:14:38,439
Speaker 2: I don't know. Well, but in the Changeling, she knew

1360
01:14:38,479 --> 01:14:40,439
Speaker 2: it wasn't our kid, and it was the cops going, no,

1361
01:14:40,560 --> 01:14:42,719
Speaker 2: crazy bitch, this is your kid.

1362
01:14:42,680 --> 01:14:45,120
Speaker 1: Right, And it's also like a grease stricken mother who's like,

1363
01:14:45,520 --> 01:14:47,800
Speaker 1: this resembles my kid. I really want it to be

1364
01:14:47,880 --> 01:14:50,080
Speaker 1: my kid. They're telling me it's my kid. Maybe they're

1365
01:14:50,160 --> 01:14:53,360
Speaker 1: right exactly. Yeah, Like your worst fear is that your

1366
01:14:53,479 --> 01:14:56,880
Speaker 1: child is gone forever. So anybody's showing up and being

1367
01:14:56,920 --> 01:14:58,439
Speaker 1: like it's me, you know.

1368
01:14:58,520 --> 01:14:59,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, but he was.

1369
01:14:59,520 --> 01:15:03,240
Speaker 1: The kid was and even like according to certain stories,

1370
01:15:03,240 --> 01:15:05,599
Speaker 1: the kid was like, no, this isn't my this isn't

1371
01:15:05,640 --> 01:15:07,000
Speaker 1: who I am, This is not my parent.

1372
01:15:07,320 --> 01:15:10,360
Speaker 2: Also, you have to think of this kid that was

1373
01:15:10,439 --> 01:15:13,479
Speaker 2: just being driven around randomly by some dude. Yeah, what

1374
01:15:13,600 --> 01:15:15,479
Speaker 2: was he what was happening to him?

1375
01:15:15,600 --> 01:15:15,760
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1376
01:15:16,240 --> 01:15:18,439
Speaker 2: And what kind of state of shock and freak out

1377
01:15:18,520 --> 01:15:20,800
Speaker 2: was he in. It's almost like you combine two people

1378
01:15:20,840 --> 01:15:23,480
Speaker 2: who are in shock and trauma together.

1379
01:15:23,600 --> 01:15:28,800
Speaker 1: Totally and it's like, uh yeah, okay, so yeah, you're

1380
01:15:28,800 --> 01:15:31,479
Speaker 1: not going to say that. Okay, the police officers, the

1381
01:15:31,520 --> 01:15:33,200
Speaker 1: mother's not going to be like, no, you guys are wrong,

1382
01:15:33,280 --> 01:15:34,640
Speaker 1: this isn't you know, You're not going to do that.

1383
01:15:34,760 --> 01:15:37,200
Speaker 2: No. I think how many bad haircuts have I gotten?

1384
01:15:37,280 --> 01:15:41,519
Speaker 2: Where As it's happening I'm like, well, you're the boss. Yeah,

1385
01:15:41,640 --> 01:15:45,040
Speaker 2: looks great. I guess I don't know what I like anymo. Yeah, yeah,

1386
01:15:45,080 --> 01:15:47,920
Speaker 2: that's true. So they they're like, we don't know if

1387
01:15:47,920 --> 01:15:50,880
Speaker 2: it's him. Bring him home tonight, we give him a bath.

1388
01:15:51,800 --> 01:15:54,120
Speaker 2: And then the next day they're like, yeah, that's our kid.

1389
01:15:54,600 --> 01:15:57,840
Speaker 2: Based on moles and scars. They're like, it's totally our son. Okay,

1390
01:15:57,880 --> 01:15:58,519
Speaker 2: all as well.

1391
01:15:59,200 --> 01:16:04,080
Speaker 1: So the boy goes home with the Dunbars. There's a

1392
01:16:04,120 --> 01:16:09,280
Speaker 1: fucking parade and fanfare celebrating the homecoming. Everyone's like, we found,

1393
01:16:09,600 --> 01:16:13,559
Speaker 1: you know, we found the missing Dunbar boy. And then

1394
01:16:13,600 --> 01:16:16,640
Speaker 1: shortly after Julia Anderson, the mother of the boy who

1395
01:16:17,000 --> 01:16:20,080
Speaker 1: originally was supposed to be that wasn't Bobby Dunbar. She's

1396
01:16:20,120 --> 01:16:24,800
Speaker 1: in North Carolina. She arrives and you know, is like,

1397
01:16:24,880 --> 01:16:27,920
Speaker 1: that's actually my kid, and I didn't tell him he

1398
01:16:27,920 --> 01:16:30,160
Speaker 1: could take him for that long. But she goes to

1399
01:16:30,280 --> 01:16:37,240
Speaker 1: his she goes to his hold on Okay, okay. She's

1400
01:16:37,360 --> 01:16:40,679
Speaker 1: unmarried and worked as a field hand for the family

1401
01:16:40,720 --> 01:16:43,240
Speaker 1: of the man who had him. She said that she

1402
01:16:43,320 --> 01:16:45,519
Speaker 1: allowed him to take her son for what said was

1403
01:16:45,520 --> 01:16:47,320
Speaker 1: supposed to be a two day trip to visit one

1404
01:16:47,320 --> 01:16:51,200
Speaker 1: of Walter's relatives and that she had not consented for

1405
01:16:51,320 --> 01:16:54,160
Speaker 1: him to take him for more than a few days. Okay, yeah,

1406
01:16:54,439 --> 01:17:00,559
Speaker 1: so so so this woman, Julia is presented with five

1407
01:17:00,600 --> 01:17:04,760
Speaker 1: different boys basically a fucking boy photo lineup. Yeah uh,

1408
01:17:05,280 --> 01:17:07,599
Speaker 1: and the same age as her son, including the boy

1409
01:17:07,640 --> 01:17:09,760
Speaker 1: who had claimed who had been claimed by the Dunbars.

1410
01:17:10,400 --> 01:17:14,559
Speaker 1: The boy is presented, he gave no, he gave no

1411
01:17:15,200 --> 01:17:20,400
Speaker 1: indication that he recognized this woman as his mother. Oh yeah,

1412
01:17:20,439 --> 01:17:22,960
Speaker 1: And she asked whether that he was the boy recovered.

1413
01:17:23,000 --> 01:17:25,240
Speaker 1: She's like, set the boy you found, like, didn't totally

1414
01:17:25,240 --> 01:17:26,519
Speaker 1: recognize him at first either.

1415
01:17:26,760 --> 01:17:28,639
Speaker 2: Also, what do you give a shit? Aren't you looking

1416
01:17:28,640 --> 01:17:32,040
Speaker 2: for your son? Why are you asking other questions? Yeah,

1417
01:17:32,400 --> 01:17:35,320
Speaker 2: just she wouldn't name your son. She didn't know for sure.

1418
01:17:36,080 --> 01:17:39,719
Speaker 2: She was like, is that how do you? Okay? Yes?

1419
01:17:39,960 --> 01:17:44,280
Speaker 1: Right, she said she was unsure at the end of it.

1420
01:17:44,320 --> 01:17:46,679
Speaker 1: And I'm wondering, So this kid who's supposed to who's

1421
01:17:46,720 --> 01:17:49,960
Speaker 1: now is or isn't the Bobby Dunbar boy like goes

1422
01:17:50,000 --> 01:17:52,439
Speaker 1: home with this family. They have a fucking maybe a

1423
01:17:52,520 --> 01:17:56,120
Speaker 1: nice house and all this nice shit, and he sees

1424
01:17:56,120 --> 01:17:59,000
Speaker 1: his mother trying to get him back. Who's a fucking

1425
01:17:59,040 --> 01:18:02,879
Speaker 1: field hand. Yeah, yep, and he doesn't say anything maybe yeah,

1426
01:18:02,960 --> 01:18:05,599
Speaker 1: you know, he's like sad as that is well, and

1427
01:18:05,640 --> 01:18:09,240
Speaker 1: also he's she's the one that put him in that

1428
01:18:09,280 --> 01:18:10,040
Speaker 1: car with that man.

1429
01:18:10,400 --> 01:18:14,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, and to whatever end that was, she.

1430
01:18:14,400 --> 01:18:17,000
Speaker 1: Thought he thought she didn't want her anymore maybe and

1431
01:18:17,120 --> 01:18:19,160
Speaker 1: was just like, huh yeah, I'm not going back to

1432
01:18:19,200 --> 01:18:19,559
Speaker 1: this shit.

1433
01:18:19,760 --> 01:18:21,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay yy.

1434
01:18:23,120 --> 01:18:25,920
Speaker 1: But she takes she takes the boy back with her

1435
01:18:26,600 --> 01:18:30,240
Speaker 1: and season the next day or I guess in the station,

1436
01:18:30,479 --> 01:18:33,040
Speaker 1: she undresses him. So this fucking kid is getting undressed

1437
01:18:33,040 --> 01:18:37,400
Speaker 1: the left and fucking right people. She then indicated a

1438
01:18:37,439 --> 01:18:40,479
Speaker 1: strong certainty that the boy was her son, Bruce and

1439
01:18:40,479 --> 01:18:44,240
Speaker 1: not Bobby Dunbar. But of course everyone was already like,

1440
01:18:44,320 --> 01:18:49,599
Speaker 1: fuck you, poor lady, that's not true, you're lying. So

1441
01:18:50,280 --> 01:18:53,080
Speaker 1: of course, then the newspapers question her moral character because

1442
01:18:53,080 --> 01:18:55,519
Speaker 1: she had had three children, the other two which were

1443
01:18:55,520 --> 01:18:58,280
Speaker 1: deceased by that point out of wedlock, and so.

1444
01:18:58,200 --> 01:19:03,799
Speaker 2: Her claims were dismissed. Oh yeah, but she does go.

1445
01:19:03,720 --> 01:19:06,679
Speaker 1: To the kidnapping trial of this guy, walters and says

1446
01:19:07,280 --> 01:19:10,120
Speaker 1: and repeats that you know, he didn't, she didn't, he

1447
01:19:10,120 --> 01:19:13,760
Speaker 1: didn't kidnap my son, and the court reaches the determination

1448
01:19:13,800 --> 01:19:17,400
Speaker 1: that the boy was Bobby Dunbar conclusively. They were like, period,

1449
01:19:17,439 --> 01:19:20,960
Speaker 1: it's not this other kid, Bruce, it's Bobby Dunbar. This

1450
01:19:21,080 --> 01:19:24,200
Speaker 1: guy Walters is convicted of kidnapping, and the boy remains

1451
01:19:24,240 --> 01:19:26,920
Speaker 1: in the custody and grows up with the Dunbar family

1452
01:19:27,040 --> 01:19:29,920
Speaker 1: as Bobby Dunbar, the kid who had gone missing when

1453
01:19:29,920 --> 01:19:30,559
Speaker 1: they went camping.

1454
01:19:30,840 --> 01:19:35,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, so I think, wait, this does have a resolution.

1455
01:19:36,520 --> 01:19:41,360
Speaker 2: You're gonna know what happens. Yeah, oh, pretty much, please God. Okay,

1456
01:19:41,479 --> 01:19:44,360
Speaker 2: because this is nuts. This is like four movies combined. Yeah.

1457
01:19:44,439 --> 01:19:49,080
Speaker 2: Because it also reminds me of the Wineville Chicken coop murder. Yeah,

1458
01:19:49,120 --> 01:19:52,639
Speaker 2: there's some horrible too, that's what. Oh, it's the same

1459
01:19:52,640 --> 01:19:55,559
Speaker 2: thing as a changing changeling. But that chicken coop murder

1460
01:19:55,800 --> 01:19:58,000
Speaker 2: story is insane. It's so fucked up. But there were

1461
01:19:58,120 --> 01:20:00,960
Speaker 2: kids who, at the end of the we're afraid they

1462
01:20:01,000 --> 01:20:02,760
Speaker 2: were going to get in trouble, so they deny that

1463
01:20:02,840 --> 01:20:05,439
Speaker 2: they belonged to the parents that were there to claim them.

1464
01:20:05,479 --> 01:20:07,439
Speaker 2: I'm thinking of those two things as two sad things.

1465
01:20:07,479 --> 01:20:09,439
Speaker 2: But it was basically just the end of the story

1466
01:20:09,439 --> 01:20:11,320
Speaker 2: where they were like, nope, that's not me, because they

1467
01:20:11,320 --> 01:20:14,000
Speaker 2: thought they were going to get like spank. Yeah, Like

1468
01:20:14,080 --> 01:20:19,000
Speaker 2: it's that crazy little kid mentality. Yeah, Okay, it's so sad. Okay.

1469
01:20:19,040 --> 01:20:22,200
Speaker 1: So this this boy is raised as Bobby Dunbar, whether

1470
01:20:22,280 --> 01:20:26,000
Speaker 1: or not it's him for sure. He marries, has four

1471
01:20:26,080 --> 01:20:28,360
Speaker 1: children of his own, and dies in nineteen sixty six,

1472
01:20:28,439 --> 01:20:30,920
Speaker 1: having lived out the remainder of his life as Bobby Dunbar.

1473
01:20:31,120 --> 01:20:33,040
Speaker 2: Wow this guy. Okay.

1474
01:20:33,320 --> 01:20:36,679
Speaker 1: Years after his death, one of his granddaughters, Margaret Dunbar

1475
01:20:36,760 --> 01:20:39,920
Speaker 1: cut right, begins her own investigation of the events because

1476
01:20:39,920 --> 01:20:41,960
Speaker 1: I think it was like a family fucking story that

1477
01:20:42,040 --> 01:20:46,480
Speaker 1: nobody wanted to talk about. So she pours through newspaper accounts,

1478
01:20:46,560 --> 01:20:50,120
Speaker 1: interviews the children of Julia Anderson, the woman who claimed

1479
01:20:50,120 --> 01:20:53,160
Speaker 1: that that kid was hers, and they actually said to her,

1480
01:20:53,400 --> 01:20:58,240
Speaker 1: you know, this man came and visited, visited us, and

1481
01:20:58,280 --> 01:21:01,000
Speaker 1: I think it was him trying to see like the

1482
01:21:01,280 --> 01:21:03,360
Speaker 1: kid who was raised as Bobby Dunbar as an adult

1483
01:21:03,439 --> 01:21:05,519
Speaker 1: came back to the town where they lived to meet

1484
01:21:05,560 --> 01:21:11,959
Speaker 1: his maybe siblings. Oh and examine the notes and evidence

1485
01:21:12,000 --> 01:21:15,800
Speaker 1: presented at Walter's defense presented by Walter's defense attorney for

1486
01:21:15,840 --> 01:21:17,200
Speaker 1: his kidnapping trial and appeal.

1487
01:21:17,960 --> 01:21:23,040
Speaker 2: In two thousand and four, after an Associated Press reporter approached.

1488
01:21:22,640 --> 01:21:25,920
Speaker 1: The family about the story, Bobby Dunbar Junior consented to

1489
01:21:26,000 --> 01:21:29,519
Speaker 1: undergo a DNA test to resolve the issue. The test

1490
01:21:29,560 --> 01:21:33,880
Speaker 1: showed that the kid raised as Bobby Dunbar was one

1491
01:21:33,920 --> 01:21:36,080
Speaker 1: hundred percent not related to the Dunbar.

1492
01:21:36,280 --> 01:21:40,920
Speaker 2: Holy shit. So that poor fucking woman that came down

1493
01:21:41,160 --> 01:21:44,200
Speaker 2: was like, this is my son, yeah, taken away from me.

1494
01:21:45,120 --> 01:21:47,080
Speaker 2: They were like, too late, We already, we already did

1495
01:21:47,080 --> 01:21:51,160
Speaker 2: the parade. It's this it's a tape has been tickered.

1496
01:21:51,280 --> 01:21:54,600
Speaker 2: Once we tick her that tame it's over, lady. You

1497
01:21:54,720 --> 01:21:57,519
Speaker 2: can't go back. Uh huh. It's just this whole thing too.

1498
01:21:57,680 --> 01:22:01,320
Speaker 1: You've got to wonder like, did the parents of Bobby

1499
01:22:01,360 --> 01:22:05,200
Speaker 1: Dunbar know in their heart and were okay because they

1500
01:22:05,280 --> 01:22:07,320
Speaker 1: just couldn't come to terms with the fact that maybe

1501
01:22:07,320 --> 01:22:11,040
Speaker 1: their son was zad did Julia Anderson was She like,

1502
01:22:11,800 --> 01:22:13,320
Speaker 1: this kid has a better life now.

1503
01:22:13,600 --> 01:22:16,560
Speaker 2: It's I'm fucking pissed, but but I'm not going to

1504
01:22:16,640 --> 01:22:20,560
Speaker 2: fight that hard because he's not. These are good people raised, Yeah,

1505
01:22:20,760 --> 01:22:21,080
Speaker 2: I know.

1506
01:22:21,680 --> 01:22:26,000
Speaker 1: Well, okay, So apparently Julia I would speak of her

1507
01:22:26,040 --> 01:22:29,719
Speaker 1: lost son Bruce A lot, and that the family always

1508
01:22:29,760 --> 01:22:32,720
Speaker 1: regarded him as having being kidnapped by the Dunbars, so

1509
01:22:32,760 --> 01:22:35,439
Speaker 1: they never got over it. Okay, But there is an

1510
01:22:35,479 --> 01:22:39,599
Speaker 1: incredible this American life about this case called The Ghost

1511
01:22:39,640 --> 01:22:42,519
Speaker 1: of Bobby Dunbar. That's things from like two thousand and four.

1512
01:22:42,560 --> 01:22:45,080
Speaker 1: I remember listening to it and just I was like

1513
01:22:45,160 --> 01:22:48,000
Speaker 1: painting my bedroom one weekend and had to sit down

1514
01:22:48,000 --> 01:22:49,679
Speaker 1: in the middle of the room just to fucking listen

1515
01:22:49,720 --> 01:22:51,840
Speaker 1: to it because it was so powerful.

1516
01:22:52,360 --> 01:22:53,799
Speaker 2: It's an incredible episode.

1517
01:22:53,840 --> 01:22:57,719
Speaker 1: She definitely listened to it, and in it, Margaret Dunbar

1518
01:22:57,880 --> 01:23:00,519
Speaker 1: cut right. They kind of they interview her through it.

1519
01:23:00,800 --> 01:23:03,640
Speaker 1: She expresses the opinion that the real Bobby Dunbar, the

1520
01:23:03,720 --> 01:23:08,479
Speaker 1: kid who went fucking camping and Swayze Lake, that he

1521
01:23:08,760 --> 01:23:12,120
Speaker 1: was probably eaten by alligator. An alligator back in nineteen twelve.

1522
01:23:12,200 --> 01:23:14,000
Speaker 2: That's what she thinks happened. Whoa.

1523
01:23:14,120 --> 01:23:15,880
Speaker 1: It kind of also reminds me of that someone Knows

1524
01:23:15,880 --> 01:23:18,120
Speaker 1: something Season one, where it's like did this kid drown

1525
01:23:18,200 --> 01:23:20,360
Speaker 1: or did something happen to him? Yes, it's that sort

1526
01:23:20,400 --> 01:23:23,160
Speaker 1: of thing too, where it's like he disappeared, did he

1527
01:23:23,200 --> 01:23:23,920
Speaker 1: get kidnapped?

1528
01:23:24,120 --> 01:23:28,280
Speaker 2: Did he die? But she thinks that he probably drowned her,

1529
01:23:28,800 --> 01:23:31,400
Speaker 2: because it's a thing of like out in nature, it

1530
01:23:31,439 --> 01:23:35,360
Speaker 2: could be anything. You can't even you can't even figure out,

1531
01:23:35,600 --> 01:23:37,720
Speaker 2: like anything could happen. And like that idea of just

1532
01:23:37,800 --> 01:23:42,760
Speaker 2: an alligator going boop and that being it, like that happens.

1533
01:23:42,560 --> 01:23:46,400
Speaker 1: All fucking Louisiana, Like, yeah, those alligators are up in there.

1534
01:23:46,840 --> 01:23:50,679
Speaker 2: I can't believe. See this makes and I'm upset because

1535
01:23:51,280 --> 01:23:53,960
Speaker 2: when you look up the Wineville Chicken coop murders, yeah,

1536
01:23:54,120 --> 01:23:57,200
Speaker 2: or watch the movie The Changeling, you should then there

1537
01:23:57,200 --> 01:23:59,599
Speaker 2: should be some if you like this, read about this

1538
01:24:00,040 --> 01:24:05,599
Speaker 2: because that's like so fascinating. Yeah, old timey kidnappings and

1539
01:24:05,640 --> 01:24:10,040
Speaker 2: missing people fucking fascinating me because there was like no DNA,

1540
01:24:10,240 --> 01:24:15,240
Speaker 2: no phones, barely any photographs, yeah, barely forensics. Yeah yeah,

1541
01:24:15,880 --> 01:24:19,320
Speaker 2: fuck Bobby, the ghost of Bobby Dunbar. This American life amazing.

1542
01:24:20,200 --> 01:24:20,639
Speaker 2: That was great.

1543
01:24:20,720 --> 01:24:25,960
Speaker 1: And that was three creepy fucking missing people insane stories.

1544
01:24:26,439 --> 01:24:34,559
Speaker 2: Oh my god, Okay, we're back. Are there any updates

1545
01:24:34,600 --> 01:24:35,160
Speaker 2: on this one?

1546
01:24:35,240 --> 01:24:39,880
Speaker 1: So there are only updates on Asia Degrees case, which

1547
01:24:40,439 --> 01:24:44,719
Speaker 1: are kind of muddled, like since twenty eighteen through twenty

1548
01:24:44,760 --> 01:24:48,000
Speaker 1: twenty five, there's been like you know, warrants that have

1549
01:24:48,080 --> 01:24:51,599
Speaker 1: been executed, things have been seized. There's just a lot

1550
01:24:51,640 --> 01:24:55,040
Speaker 1: of suspicion around this one family, but no one in

1551
01:24:55,080 --> 01:24:57,880
Speaker 1: that family has been arrested in connection to the disappearance,

1552
01:24:57,960 --> 01:25:00,680
Speaker 1: and they deny any involvement in the case. But a

1553
01:25:00,920 --> 01:25:05,080
Speaker 1: one hundred thousand dollars reward is available for information leading

1554
01:25:05,080 --> 01:25:07,400
Speaker 1: to convictions in the case. And I feel like these days,

1555
01:25:07,439 --> 01:25:10,720
Speaker 1: when so many cases are being solved, this one is

1556
01:25:10,760 --> 01:25:13,639
Speaker 1: so solvable, and I feel like the clues are all there,

1557
01:25:14,280 --> 01:25:16,160
Speaker 1: just waiting to be put together, you know.

1558
01:25:16,320 --> 01:25:18,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, at least there's still a tip line open. That's

1559
01:25:18,400 --> 01:25:20,479
Speaker 2: a really good sign. Yeah, that there's still like if

1560
01:25:20,479 --> 01:25:23,519
Speaker 2: there's evidence out there, if there's people that are going

1561
01:25:23,560 --> 01:25:26,000
Speaker 2: to talk at some point, there's a place for them

1562
01:25:26,040 --> 01:25:26,280
Speaker 2: to go.

1563
01:25:26,360 --> 01:25:29,240
Speaker 1: And I really feel like Reddit has given this story

1564
01:25:29,560 --> 01:25:32,559
Speaker 1: a spotlight in a way. It's so mysterious it makes

1565
01:25:33,000 --> 01:25:35,840
Speaker 1: there's no you know, it's such a mysterious story, and

1566
01:25:35,880 --> 01:25:38,280
Speaker 1: Reddit has really like grabbed onto it and not let

1567
01:25:38,320 --> 01:25:41,200
Speaker 1: it kind of fade out of the public eye, which

1568
01:25:41,240 --> 01:25:43,760
Speaker 1: is great because I feel like those get solved when

1569
01:25:43,760 --> 01:25:48,240
Speaker 1: there's more pressure obviously on the investigators, and Reddit's doing that.

1570
01:25:48,400 --> 01:25:51,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, great. Okay, so now it's time for good things

1571
01:25:51,640 --> 01:25:54,559
Speaker 2: of the week. This is a very special installment because

1572
01:25:55,080 --> 01:25:57,720
Speaker 2: for this one, George and I roll a clip from

1573
01:25:57,760 --> 01:26:00,519
Speaker 2: the live show in Dallas of our friend and very

1574
01:26:00,520 --> 01:26:04,679
Speaker 2: bad ass survivor Jennifer Morey calledwell, so here's Jennifer telling

1575
01:26:04,720 --> 01:26:05,200
Speaker 2: her story.

1576
01:26:08,640 --> 01:26:11,960
Speaker 1: Should we do our favorite thing as what happened at

1577
01:26:12,000 --> 01:26:15,840
Speaker 1: our first show in Dallas? Yes, okay, so we Why

1578
01:26:15,840 --> 01:26:17,360
Speaker 1: don't you fucking tell everyone?

1579
01:26:17,479 --> 01:26:20,559
Speaker 2: Okay, fuck in, fuck in shut up? Is that what

1580
01:26:20,600 --> 01:26:24,240
Speaker 2: I sound like? No? No, please, I do it all

1581
01:26:24,240 --> 01:26:28,360
Speaker 2: the time. No, okay. So we had a special guest

1582
01:26:28,720 --> 01:26:34,680
Speaker 2: at our Dallas show and it was really thrilling. Jennifer

1583
01:26:35,040 --> 01:26:39,720
Speaker 2: Maury Caldwell, who we talked about in episode fifty three,

1584
01:26:40,600 --> 01:26:41,120
Speaker 2: was it think so?

1585
01:26:41,200 --> 01:26:45,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, said fifty fifties whatever, I justut. There's a

1586
01:26:45,479 --> 01:26:46,680
Speaker 1: photo of it on Instagram.

1587
01:26:46,840 --> 01:26:49,320
Speaker 2: It was episode thirty three. Essentially, it was the I

1588
01:26:49,439 --> 01:26:52,960
Speaker 2: survived story that I retold of the woman who lived

1589
01:26:53,000 --> 01:26:57,439
Speaker 2: in the gated apartment community, specifically for the security ends

1590
01:26:57,520 --> 01:27:00,120
Speaker 2: up waking up the mill of nite being attacked, her

1591
01:27:00,160 --> 01:27:04,120
Speaker 2: powers cut, the phone's cut, a guy stabs her, and

1592
01:27:04,160 --> 01:27:06,479
Speaker 2: then the nine one one operator stays on the phone

1593
01:27:06,479 --> 01:27:08,880
Speaker 2: with her, and when the security guard comes to ask

1594
01:27:08,960 --> 01:27:10,960
Speaker 2: to be let in, he says, don't let him in,

1595
01:27:11,360 --> 01:27:13,120
Speaker 2: and it ends up that the security guard was the

1596
01:27:13,160 --> 01:27:16,360
Speaker 2: person who attacked her. Yeah, and it's the craziest story.

1597
01:27:16,479 --> 01:27:19,439
Speaker 2: She tells it herself. I basically just retold her version

1598
01:27:19,560 --> 01:27:22,439
Speaker 2: of that story as she tells it when I survived

1599
01:27:22,600 --> 01:27:26,599
Speaker 2: as an episode. We heard from her some time after

1600
01:27:27,280 --> 01:27:30,439
Speaker 2: and just saying, Hi, I heard you know whatever, I

1601
01:27:30,479 --> 01:27:32,200
Speaker 2: heard this, which was a huge thing for us.

1602
01:27:32,240 --> 01:27:34,240
Speaker 1: I think, you know, we just didn't expect that, and

1603
01:27:34,240 --> 01:27:37,040
Speaker 1: we've always kind of wondered what impact what we do

1604
01:27:37,200 --> 01:27:40,320
Speaker 1: has on people, and so getting that specifically from the

1605
01:27:40,400 --> 01:27:42,799
Speaker 1: victim of this story was and it was a positive

1606
01:27:42,800 --> 01:27:45,519
Speaker 1: email was so it felt so good.

1607
01:27:45,800 --> 01:27:48,120
Speaker 2: Yes, it was really nice. And it was like someone going,

1608
01:27:48,200 --> 01:27:51,519
Speaker 2: I get exactly what you're doing and I approve and

1609
01:27:51,600 --> 01:27:54,040
Speaker 2: it happened to me and I approve, So that and

1610
01:27:54,320 --> 01:27:59,000
Speaker 2: itself was exciting. Then she lives in Dallas, so she

1611
01:28:00,160 --> 01:28:02,280
Speaker 2: let us know that she tried. I think she tried

1612
01:28:02,280 --> 01:28:04,640
Speaker 2: to get tickets and they were sold out. She was

1613
01:28:04,680 --> 01:28:06,920
Speaker 2: so sweet. She was like, Hey, I tried to get

1614
01:28:06,960 --> 01:28:09,400
Speaker 2: tickets to Dallas, but it's sold out. Do you think maybe?

1615
01:28:09,400 --> 01:28:14,960
Speaker 2: And yes, yes. So she and her lovely family came

1616
01:28:15,160 --> 01:28:18,080
Speaker 2: to our shows in Dallas and she at the end

1617
01:28:18,160 --> 01:28:21,360
Speaker 2: of the show, instead of doing hometowns, we asked her

1618
01:28:21,439 --> 01:28:24,360
Speaker 2: up on stage and the audience went fucking.

1619
01:28:24,120 --> 01:28:28,360
Speaker 1: Ballistic, and I fucking I started ugly heavy crying.

1620
01:28:28,520 --> 01:28:31,600
Speaker 2: We all were crying, and I think everyone in the

1621
01:28:31,640 --> 01:28:37,360
Speaker 2: audience was crying, and basically, she so she we basically

1622
01:28:37,400 --> 01:28:39,040
Speaker 2: want to play this moment for you. We don't want

1623
01:28:39,080 --> 01:28:41,479
Speaker 2: to wait until whenever it comes up that we're going

1624
01:28:41,560 --> 01:28:43,280
Speaker 2: to play this live episode because it was just so

1625
01:28:43,439 --> 01:28:47,240
Speaker 2: cool and so I don't know, there's probably a lot

1626
01:28:47,240 --> 01:28:50,320
Speaker 2: of long silences, because there's definitely the moments where we're

1627
01:28:50,520 --> 01:28:53,240
Speaker 2: hugging or just crying or whatever. But it was just

1628
01:28:53,360 --> 01:28:56,160
Speaker 2: really an honor and a privilege to meet her. She's

1629
01:28:56,240 --> 01:28:59,519
Speaker 2: the coolest woman. She is so chill. She's a lawyer,

1630
01:29:00,120 --> 01:29:01,960
Speaker 2: got this beautiful family who all came with her, who

1631
01:29:01,960 --> 01:29:06,120
Speaker 2: were also super cool. And she also told us backstage

1632
01:29:06,479 --> 01:29:09,640
Speaker 2: the nine one one operator from her story, it was

1633
01:29:09,680 --> 01:29:12,519
Speaker 2: his first day on the job. It was the second

1634
01:29:12,960 --> 01:29:15,920
Speaker 2: nine one one call he had ever taken, and he

1635
01:29:16,040 --> 01:29:18,800
Speaker 2: they ended up they were lifelong friends. She danced with

1636
01:29:18,880 --> 01:29:21,519
Speaker 2: him at her wedding like that. He was the third

1637
01:29:21,520 --> 01:29:24,680
Speaker 2: person that she danced with at her wedding. You know

1638
01:29:24,920 --> 01:29:27,160
Speaker 2: she it was just the coolest we we got to

1639
01:29:27,200 --> 01:29:28,800
Speaker 2: meet her and talk to her honor to be part

1640
01:29:28,920 --> 01:29:31,559
Speaker 2: of this. So here's that moment. Now. Normally this is

1641
01:29:31,600 --> 01:29:36,320
Speaker 2: the part where we do a hometown but we actually tonight, tonight,

1642
01:29:36,360 --> 01:29:39,880
Speaker 2: we have a surprise guest for you that were very

1643
01:29:40,040 --> 01:29:43,679
Speaker 2: very excited to bring out on stage.

1644
01:29:44,240 --> 01:29:46,920
Speaker 1: So special guest that we want to introduce you guys.

1645
01:29:46,800 --> 01:29:52,320
Speaker 2: To and you you actually you got expense. You might

1646
01:29:52,360 --> 01:29:55,240
Speaker 2: remember because we talked about her case on one of

1647
01:29:55,240 --> 01:30:00,000
Speaker 2: our episodes, and she is here in the audience tonight

1648
01:30:00,439 --> 01:30:04,479
Speaker 2: with us. I don't remember the number of she's walking

1649
01:30:04,479 --> 01:30:06,800
Speaker 2: down right now. She's been in the audience with you

1650
01:30:06,880 --> 01:30:11,040
Speaker 2: this whole time. Her story was on an episode of

1651
01:30:11,080 --> 01:30:22,960
Speaker 2: I Survived hern It. That's Jennifer Morey Caldwell right there.

1652
01:30:41,040 --> 01:30:45,800
Speaker 2: I'm here.

1653
01:30:57,320 --> 01:30:59,840
Speaker 1: Oh my god, how do you guys doing?

1654
01:31:04,400 --> 01:31:10,840
Speaker 2: You can turn the lights? Hi, Hi, It's nice to

1655
01:31:10,880 --> 01:31:15,240
Speaker 2: see you. You guys too. So we when we did

1656
01:31:15,240 --> 01:31:19,880
Speaker 2: this episode where I, all I did was retell Jennifer's

1657
01:31:19,880 --> 01:31:22,639
Speaker 2: story from her words from an episode of I survived

1658
01:31:22,640 --> 01:31:26,880
Speaker 2: because I'm lazy. Sometimes I just do I like to

1659
01:31:26,920 --> 01:31:29,880
Speaker 2: do stuff like that, but also because the story was

1660
01:31:29,920 --> 01:31:32,480
Speaker 2: so incredible and the way she told it was so incredible.

1661
01:31:32,960 --> 01:31:34,360
Speaker 2: It's one of my favorite episodes.

1662
01:31:34,400 --> 01:31:41,760
Speaker 3: Sorry, sorry if you told my story so beautifully that

1663
01:31:41,880 --> 01:31:44,160
Speaker 3: the night I heard it my husband, I drank a

1664
01:31:44,160 --> 01:31:45,160
Speaker 3: whole bottle of wine and.

1665
01:31:45,080 --> 01:31:47,840
Speaker 2: I cried and I cried and I cried. Oh God,

1666
01:31:48,040 --> 01:31:52,880
Speaker 2: you honored me when you told my story. Thank you.

1667
01:31:53,600 --> 01:32:04,599
Speaker 2: That's so nice. Thank you. Where are those tissues? Tell

1668
01:32:04,680 --> 01:32:07,880
Speaker 2: me take it on? And they went for Jennifer. That's

1669
01:32:07,920 --> 01:32:15,439
Speaker 2: all we have. I mean, we're just gone. After that episode,

1670
01:32:15,520 --> 01:32:18,120
Speaker 2: you sent us an email and then we freaked out

1671
01:32:19,439 --> 01:32:21,840
Speaker 2: and we couldn't believe it because a lot of times

1672
01:32:21,840 --> 01:32:24,200
Speaker 2: when we do these stories and we do this stuff,

1673
01:32:25,160 --> 01:32:27,519
Speaker 2: we never knew any of this part was gonna happen,

1674
01:32:27,640 --> 01:32:30,519
Speaker 2: Like for a long time, we did this podcast in

1675
01:32:30,600 --> 01:32:34,640
Speaker 2: George's apartment talking to each other, so the idea that

1676
01:32:34,680 --> 01:32:38,160
Speaker 2: the person we're talking about responded and was like yay,

1677
01:32:38,439 --> 01:32:40,800
Speaker 2: it was the most. It was just so exciting and

1678
01:32:40,840 --> 01:32:43,840
Speaker 2: so cool. And so then you emailed us and we're like,

1679
01:32:43,880 --> 01:32:45,600
Speaker 2: can I come to a show? When you come to

1680
01:32:45,720 --> 01:32:49,479
Speaker 2: Dallas and we're like, yeah, we can get you in right,

1681
01:32:49,439 --> 01:32:58,479
Speaker 2: I take it. Yeah.

1682
01:32:58,760 --> 01:33:08,000
Speaker 4: So yeah, you know, I'm a lawyer, and if you

1683
01:33:08,000 --> 01:33:11,880
Speaker 4: guys know my attack story, my ta's not part of

1684
01:33:11,920 --> 01:33:12,840
Speaker 4: my daily life.

1685
01:33:13,320 --> 01:33:14,160
Speaker 2: I can't let it be.

1686
01:33:15,320 --> 01:33:17,960
Speaker 4: And so I'm sitting in my office one day last

1687
01:33:18,040 --> 01:33:21,479
Speaker 4: September October and I had a lawyer say to me,

1688
01:33:22,479 --> 01:33:26,519
Speaker 4: your maiden names more right, And I'm like yeah, she goes,

1689
01:33:26,680 --> 01:33:32,720
Speaker 4: you're attacked right, yeah, and she.

1690
01:33:32,680 --> 01:33:34,760
Speaker 2: Goes, oh my god. There was this podcast on at

1691
01:33:34,880 --> 01:33:40,640
Speaker 2: last night and it floored me.

1692
01:33:42,200 --> 01:33:43,640
Speaker 4: And so I went home that night and I told

1693
01:33:43,680 --> 01:33:45,880
Speaker 4: my husband I think there's this thing, and.

1694
01:33:47,479 --> 01:33:48,120
Speaker 3: So we like.

1695
01:33:48,400 --> 01:33:50,559
Speaker 2: Googled and found this thing.

1696
01:33:50,960 --> 01:33:53,960
Speaker 4: And we sat there and listened to it and it

1697
01:33:54,000 --> 01:33:55,880
Speaker 4: wasn't something I was really prepared to listen to. But

1698
01:33:55,920 --> 01:33:57,600
Speaker 4: I have to say again, and I listened to it

1699
01:33:57,640 --> 01:34:03,720
Speaker 4: again yesterday to get ready. You talked about me like

1700
01:34:03,760 --> 01:34:12,559
Speaker 4: you are my friend, and I'm good cried again. It

1701
01:34:12,600 --> 01:34:15,240
Speaker 4: was a horrible experience, don't get me wrong. Yeah, but

1702
01:34:15,360 --> 01:34:21,320
Speaker 4: God has I mean a god or whatever, has has

1703
01:34:21,400 --> 01:34:24,240
Speaker 4: blessed me so much. And I've got my husband, Gary

1704
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Speaker 4: and my two kids are here tonight, so everybody here

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Speaker 4: if you ever have anything terrible happen to you, and

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01:34:40,040 --> 01:34:43,280
Speaker 4: unfortunately too many of us will have something terrible happen

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01:34:43,360 --> 01:34:47,240
Speaker 4: to us. I hope it doesn't happen to you. Which

1708
01:34:47,320 --> 01:34:49,800
Speaker 4: show talks a lot about anxiety. I've become a murderingo.

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01:34:55,120 --> 01:34:58,320
Speaker 4: My daughter is fifteen, and she probably shouldn't listen to

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Speaker 4: the show as she does.

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01:35:01,280 --> 01:35:02,160
Speaker 2: On road trips.

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Speaker 4: We listened to this, and anyway, if something bad ever

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Speaker 4: happens to anybody out there, I hope you guys have

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Speaker 4: something as I mean, God, this has just been such

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01:35:13,240 --> 01:35:15,240
Speaker 4: a gift to have you honor me and to have

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01:35:15,320 --> 01:35:17,920
Speaker 4: people all over the world reach out to me anonom me.

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Speaker 4: So thank you and what you do. We're all fascinated

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01:35:21,760 --> 01:35:25,559
Speaker 4: and horrified by these crimes, but the way you bring

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01:35:28,080 --> 01:35:31,720
Speaker 4: laughter to what you could cry or laugh pick one,

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Speaker 4: let's laugh.

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Speaker 2: So thank you guys. Yay name and we're back.

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Speaker 1: I just have chills even thinking about that moment in

1723
01:35:51,040 --> 01:35:53,840
Speaker 1: Dallas and her coming on stage and the audience she

1724
01:35:54,120 --> 01:35:57,160
Speaker 1: I mean, my god, it was huge.

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01:35:57,120 --> 01:35:59,519
Speaker 2: Once in a lifetime. Also what she was like as

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01:35:59,520 --> 01:36:03,519
Speaker 2: a person, so warm and lovely, yeah, and so all

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01:36:03,560 --> 01:36:05,840
Speaker 2: about it, like yeah, that was a real honor and

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01:36:05,960 --> 01:36:08,160
Speaker 2: just I mean, everybody felt it. It was such a

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Speaker 2: cool shared experience. Yeah. So this episode was originally titled

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01:36:13,520 --> 01:36:20,160
Speaker 2: Jesus with It. No, let's change it. That's terrible. So

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01:36:20,200 --> 01:36:22,519
Speaker 2: if we did change it, we could rename it. What

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01:36:22,680 --> 01:36:23,800
Speaker 2: that leave me Alone thing?

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Speaker 1: I love so much? That's you saying that do not

1734
01:36:27,360 --> 01:36:31,760
Speaker 1: disturb sign? What's it called that talk about being in perimenopause.

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01:36:31,800 --> 01:36:33,960
Speaker 1: It's like that moment you were like, couldn't think of the.

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01:36:33,880 --> 01:36:36,880
Speaker 2: Word do not disturb, so right on a nice hot

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01:36:36,960 --> 01:36:37,280
Speaker 2: mic that.

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01:36:37,960 --> 01:36:38,840
Speaker 1: Leave me alone thing?

1739
01:36:39,000 --> 01:36:41,080
Speaker 2: That leave me alone thing? Also very obvious. But my

1740
01:36:41,160 --> 01:36:43,599
Speaker 2: sister's dying. There's a lot of people that probably wouldn't

1741
01:36:43,680 --> 01:36:46,200
Speaker 2: like that title, but the people who knew would think

1742
01:36:46,200 --> 01:36:49,559
Speaker 2: it was very funny. There's Fabio of the Amish, because

1743
01:36:49,680 --> 01:36:52,960
Speaker 2: that horrible man is slightly attracted and then cry or laugh.

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01:36:53,240 --> 01:36:56,599
Speaker 1: Pick one, which is what Jennifer says on stage, and

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01:36:56,920 --> 01:36:59,120
Speaker 1: we just think that one's incredible. I think that's the one.

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01:36:59,280 --> 01:37:01,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, obviously, what if we just pick one of our

1747
01:37:01,960 --> 01:37:08,280
Speaker 2: dumb random ones Fabio of the Amish. It's settled forever

1748
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Speaker 2: and ever. Okay, that's this week's episode of rewind. Thanks

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01:37:13,280 --> 01:37:14,679
Speaker 2: for being here. You guys. Thanks guys.

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01:37:14,680 --> 01:37:19,639
Speaker 1: Now let's say goodbye with Jennifer from our Dallas live show.

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Speaker 1: We are so honored to have you guys, amazing, this

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01:37:25,320 --> 01:37:27,000
Speaker 1: means so much to us.

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01:37:27,360 --> 01:37:31,400
Speaker 2: Thank you and thank you guys for being here and

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Speaker 2: say sexy thanks