WEBVTT - Cisco Systems Today

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<v Speaker 1>Get in touch with technology with tech Stuff from how

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<v Speaker 1>stuff works dot com. Hey there, and welcome to tech Stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>I am your host, Jonathan Strickland. I'm an executive producer

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<v Speaker 1>at how stuff Works and I love all things tech.

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<v Speaker 1>And in my last episode, I covered the founding of

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<v Speaker 1>Cisco Systems, a company associated primarily with routers and switches

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<v Speaker 1>and other computer network hardware. Today, I'm going to look

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<v Speaker 1>more at where the company went after the co founders

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<v Speaker 1>left the company, and also talk a bit about some

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<v Speaker 1>of the technologies that the company got involved in. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>the early years of Cisco focused on just a few products,

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<v Speaker 1>from network boards that could allow computers to interface with

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<v Speaker 1>larger networks to the routers that could actually facilitate communication

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<v Speaker 1>between networks. In the mid to late nineteen eighties, this

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<v Speaker 1>was cutting edge technology. Computer networks were just beginning to

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<v Speaker 1>expand beyond tech companies and universities and start to enter

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<v Speaker 1>into other industries, and demand was growing around the world,

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<v Speaker 1>not just in the United States. By when the co founders,

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<v Speaker 1>Lynn Bozak and Sandy Lerner, then husband and wife, left Cisco,

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<v Speaker 1>the company was generating an annual revenue of sixty nine

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<v Speaker 1>million dollars and had two d fifty one employees and

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<v Speaker 1>had obviously grown quite a bit since its launch as

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<v Speaker 1>a business out of the founders living room, and obviously

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<v Speaker 1>it was no longer operating out of their living room.

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<v Speaker 1>They had an office in Menlo Park at the time.

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<v Speaker 1>The company had also gone public with stocks trading on

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<v Speaker 1>the Nasdaq Stock Exchange, and in ninetee Cisco Systems. Under

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<v Speaker 1>the guidance of John Mortgage, the new president and CEO,

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<v Speaker 1>who had been put in place by the UH investment

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<v Speaker 1>firm Sequoia Capital. He had been there since nineteen he

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<v Speaker 1>opened up their first international office in the UK. The

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<v Speaker 1>company also had its first stock split in just one

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<v Speaker 1>year after it got listed on the stock exchange. So

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<v Speaker 1>here's a quick refresher. What the heck is a stock split?

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<v Speaker 1>What does that mean? So a company issues a certain

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<v Speaker 1>number of shares and this represents a percentage of ownership

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<v Speaker 1>in the company. Right, If you buy shares in the company,

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<v Speaker 1>you own a part of that company. The number of

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<v Speaker 1>shares determines how much of that company you own. So

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<v Speaker 1>if a company puts out a whole lot of shares

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<v Speaker 1>and you buy only one, you have a very tiny

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<v Speaker 1>percentage of ownership. In that company, the shares are worth

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<v Speaker 1>a certain amount each. Right, that's what we see when

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<v Speaker 1>we say the stock is twenty dollars. That tells you

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<v Speaker 1>how much it a single share of stock in that

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<v Speaker 1>company costs. UH. That amount is determined by lots of

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<v Speaker 1>different factors, especially when you are first launching a company,

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<v Speaker 1>Like how do you determine how much you're going to

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<v Speaker 1>charge for a share of stock in your company if

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<v Speaker 1>you have not yet launched an UH initial public offering? Well,

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<v Speaker 1>get lots of different factors that figured that out, including

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<v Speaker 1>underwriters who judge what the value of the company should be.

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<v Speaker 1>For simplicity's sake, let's take a very easy example, one

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<v Speaker 1>that would never really happen, but just to be able

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<v Speaker 1>to talk about this. So, let's say I am launching

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<v Speaker 1>a company, and I've determined that my company is worth

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<v Speaker 1>about a thousand dollars, you know, princely some I decide

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to go public with this very prestigious company,

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<v Speaker 1>and my underwriters decide that the one hundred shares I

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<v Speaker 1>plan to create will cost ten dollars each. They agree

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<v Speaker 1>my company is worth one thousand dollars. So UH, one

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<v Speaker 1>of my company will cost you ten bucks. Right, because

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<v Speaker 1>I have a hundred shares ten dollars of share. That

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<v Speaker 1>means that you know, that's all you're gonna get is

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<v Speaker 1>just those hundred shares um and that that's the whole

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<v Speaker 1>value of the company. So I keep fifty one of

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<v Speaker 1>those shares because I'm no dummy. I want to have

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<v Speaker 1>controlling interest in my own company. And the other forty

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<v Speaker 1>nine shares hit the market at ten dollars each. Then

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<v Speaker 1>the market decides whether or not those shares are actually

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<v Speaker 1>worth the ten dollars, and people either buy them or

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<v Speaker 1>they don't. Now, let's flash forward a year. Let's say

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<v Speaker 1>that the stock price has gone way up. Now it's

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<v Speaker 1>a hundred dollars per shared. It started out ten dollars

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<v Speaker 1>per share on the I p O. A year later,

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<v Speaker 1>they're valued at a hundred dollars per share. There's still

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<v Speaker 1>a hundred shares out there, but that means my one

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<v Speaker 1>thousand dollar company is now worth ten thousand dollars. Right.

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<v Speaker 1>I take that same number of shares that exist, that's

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<v Speaker 1>one hundred times the price one hundred dollars. This gives

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<v Speaker 1>me the market capitalization of the company. Now, it's awesome

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<v Speaker 1>that my company has increased in value like this, But

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<v Speaker 1>I would kind of like to see more trading happen

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<v Speaker 1>in the market, more liquidity, right, I want to see

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<v Speaker 1>people actually buying and selling these shares more frequently. And

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<v Speaker 1>at a hundred dollars per share, all investors might feel

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<v Speaker 1>pushed out. They feel like that's too expensive to buy

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<v Speaker 1>any shares really worthwhile. So my board decides that we're

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<v Speaker 1>going to do a stock split. We're gonna do a

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<v Speaker 1>two for one stock split. That means for every outstanding

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<v Speaker 1>share of stock, I will create another share and issue

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<v Speaker 1>it to the people who are holding those shares. So

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<v Speaker 1>if you are currently holding two shares in my company,

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<v Speaker 1>you would now hold four shares in my company. However,

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<v Speaker 1>I can't just magically double the value of my company, right.

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<v Speaker 1>I can't sit there and say, well, I had a

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<v Speaker 1>hundred shares at a hundred dollars, now I've got two

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<v Speaker 1>hundred shares at a hundred dollars. That doesn't work that way.

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<v Speaker 1>So all shareholders would see the number of shares double,

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<v Speaker 1>but the value per share would be cut in half.

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<v Speaker 1>So instead of having two shares worth a hundred dollars each,

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<v Speaker 1>you would now have four shares worth fifty dollars each,

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<v Speaker 1>but the lower cost per share might mean greater liquidity

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<v Speaker 1>and trading. That might encourage smaller investors to get involved,

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<v Speaker 1>and that can sometimes help a company grow even more.

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<v Speaker 1>Companies like Cisco have had numerous stock splits, and I'll

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<v Speaker 1>talk more about the result of that at the end

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<v Speaker 1>of this episode. I just wanted to mention that it

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<v Speaker 1>was impressive that a company would hold a split only

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<v Speaker 1>a year after getting listed on the stock exchange. When

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<v Speaker 1>Cisco Systems first went public, it had the market capitalization

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<v Speaker 1>of two four million dollars. So, in other words, you

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<v Speaker 1>took all the shares of Cisco that existed, you multiplied

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<v Speaker 1>it by the price per share, you get up two

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<v Speaker 1>four million dollars. That's how much the market cap is

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<v Speaker 1>for Cisco when it launches in Just a year later,

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<v Speaker 1>that market cap was already one billion dollars. In ninety two,

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<v Speaker 1>Cisco was awarded its first patent, which was originally filed

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<v Speaker 1>back in Because patent applications can take a while, the

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<v Speaker 1>patent office takes a while to review a patent and

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<v Speaker 1>then uh issue a patent. It was US Patent number

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<v Speaker 1>five million, eighty eight thousand, thirty two That patent was

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<v Speaker 1>for technology called the Interior Gateway Routing Protocol or i

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<v Speaker 1>g RP. That was a set of rules that routers

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<v Speaker 1>would follow for efficient communications within a computer network, peaking

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<v Speaker 1>ahead for a moment. In the summer of ten, Cisco

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<v Speaker 1>would celebrate getting its ten thousand US patent. But to

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<v Speaker 1>be clear, Cisco also grew quite a bit through acquisitions.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh Primarily, Cisco grew by acquiring other companies, so I

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<v Speaker 1>imagine many of those patents were part of acquisitions and

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<v Speaker 1>not just patents that were filed by Cisco R and D.

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<v Speaker 1>Cisco also opened offices in Canada and Japan in n

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<v Speaker 1>and hit revenues of three one million dollars and grew

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<v Speaker 1>to eight hundred seventy five employees. Now, from this point forward,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm only going to mention revenues and employee counts when

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<v Speaker 1>it's particularly notable, since a lot of Cisco's history is

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<v Speaker 1>all about it got bigger that year, and that gets

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<v Speaker 1>really old, really fast, So I'm not going to do

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<v Speaker 1>that for every single year. In ninety three, Cisco Systems

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<v Speaker 1>made its first acquisition. It was a company called Crescendo Communications,

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<v Speaker 1>and Crescendo was working on network switching technologies, particularly for

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<v Speaker 1>local area networks. The acquisition cost nearly nine million dollars,

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<v Speaker 1>and again, if I were to list every single company

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<v Speaker 1>Cisco Systems purchased from that time up to present day,

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<v Speaker 1>it would probably take about twenty minutes to do. Most

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<v Speaker 1>of them were companies that focused on technologies relating to networks,

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<v Speaker 1>so within Cisco's wheelhouse, they were largely companies that made

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<v Speaker 1>routers or switches, or modems or firewalls. Others, however, were

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<v Speaker 1>in related fields like computer security. There was even a

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<v Speaker 1>couple of companies that were related to Internet television, back

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<v Speaker 1>when everyone was convinced that was right around the corner,

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<v Speaker 1>when in reality, it would take you know, a decade

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<v Speaker 1>or two after that acquisition for any sort of Internet

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<v Speaker 1>TV to kind of take off, and even then it

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<v Speaker 1>was a totally different UH implementation than what people had

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<v Speaker 1>imagined back in the nineties. Cisco would also acquire companies

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<v Speaker 1>in the mobile space, also in surveillance, in voice over

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<v Speaker 1>Internet protocol, in digital cable, and more even in consumer electronics.

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<v Speaker 1>More recently, the company has invested heavily in cloud computing infrastructure.

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<v Speaker 1>So in all, Cisco has spent around seventy billion dollars

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<v Speaker 1>in acquisitions, and most of the products Cisco offers comes

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<v Speaker 1>out of those acquisitions, So you could say a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of Cisco's growth came from buying out other companies and

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<v Speaker 1>adding to their own offerings. That way, John Mortgage and

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<v Speaker 1>his successor, John Chambers both used acquisitions as a means

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<v Speaker 1>for growth. According to a two thousand two Business Week article,

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<v Speaker 1>acquisitions accounted for about fifty of all Cisco's businesses. Cisco's

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<v Speaker 1>uh moves also meant that it maintained a dominant position

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<v Speaker 1>in business to business enterprise, and it focused on network technology.

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<v Speaker 1>It was the dominant player in that space. If you

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<v Speaker 1>planned to build out a computer network, chances are you

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<v Speaker 1>were relying at least in part on technology from Cisco.

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<v Speaker 1>This included Internet service providers, so we started seeing more

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<v Speaker 1>and more Internet service getting rolled out to the United

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<v Speaker 1>States population. Those network infrastructure pieces had to come from somewhere.

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<v Speaker 1>Cisco provided a lot of the routers and switches that

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<v Speaker 1>would be used by Internet service providers in their various networks,

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<v Speaker 1>so it was a lucrative source of revenue for the company. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>to be clear, the acquisitions were likely necessary to some extent.

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<v Speaker 1>Cisco had built much of its business early on on

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<v Speaker 1>multi protocol routers. If you listen to my last episode,

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<v Speaker 1>you know what I mean by that. Those are the

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<v Speaker 1>routers that can communicate between different networks that are operating

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<v Speaker 1>on incompatible communications protocols. But by the nineties a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of that was changing. Most networks were starting to rely

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<v Speaker 1>upon Internet Protocol as the standard in communications, so you

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<v Speaker 1>weren't seeing as much proprietary approaches. Everyone was kind of

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<v Speaker 1>leaning towards Internet Protocol because that was clearly going to

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<v Speaker 1>become a dominant means of communication through computer systems, and

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<v Speaker 1>that made multi protocol routers less important because really only

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<v Speaker 1>legacy systems were dependent upon them. Newer systems were adopting

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<v Speaker 1>Internet Protocol, so you didn't need something that was multi protocol.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like you don't need a translator if everybody in

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<v Speaker 1>the room speaks the same common language. So without diversifying,

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<v Speaker 1>Cisco could have been in danger of becoming obsolete. So

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<v Speaker 1>these acquisitions were actually not a bad thing, But there

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<v Speaker 1>is this sort of view among certain people that a

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<v Speaker 1>company growing by acquiring other companies is kind of sort

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<v Speaker 1>of cheating. It's like the pay to win philosophy and games. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>according to some people. Sometimes I feel that way. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not gonna lie. Sometimes I look at a company that

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<v Speaker 1>makes most of its growth through acquisitions and I think, really,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's a smart business move. It makes sense, and

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<v Speaker 1>for Cisco, it paid off in huge dividends for at

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<v Speaker 1>least the near term. Now back to the history of

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<v Speaker 1>the company. While he gobbled up other companies, Cisco also

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<v Speaker 1>opened up more operations around the world like Hong Kong, Mexico,

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<v Speaker 1>and Belgium, and it would continue to open up offices

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<v Speaker 1>all across the world. By the company hit revenues of

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<v Speaker 1>more than a billion dollars for the first time in

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<v Speaker 1>its history, and they also moved offices from Menlo Park

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<v Speaker 1>to San Jose, California, And a year later the company

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<v Speaker 1>posted a revenue of two point to three billion. So

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<v Speaker 1>they go from a billion to two point to three billion.

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<v Speaker 1>They double their revenue in a year, and it was

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<v Speaker 1>like the company had a license to print money. But

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<v Speaker 1>remember this is also a time when people in general

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<v Speaker 1>were first becoming aware of the Internet as a thing.

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<v Speaker 1>Early nineties. That's when your average person starts to hear

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<v Speaker 1>about internet. Before then, you pretty much had to be

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<v Speaker 1>a college student it or you had to work in

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<v Speaker 1>the field to know what the heck the Internet was.

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<v Speaker 1>Most people before the early nineties had no inkling, and

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<v Speaker 1>it was around this time where people were saying like,

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<v Speaker 1>what does the AT symbol in an email mean? What

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<v Speaker 1>does this Worldwide Web? What does this Information super Highway?

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<v Speaker 1>This was a boom time for network technology. Was also

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<v Speaker 1>when John Chambers would become the new CEO of Cisco

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<v Speaker 1>and John Mortgridge would transition to the role of Chairman

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<v Speaker 1>of the board. I'll talk more about Chambers in just

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<v Speaker 1>a moment, but first let's take a quick break to

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<v Speaker 1>thank our sponsor. John Chambers had earned a Master's of

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<v Speaker 1>Business administration from Indiana University. He had worked for IBM

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<v Speaker 1>in their sales department in the late seventies and early

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen eighties, and then went on to work for Wang Laboratories,

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<v Speaker 1>makers of the Whang compute or Wong if you want

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<v Speaker 1>to use the correct pronunciation, I would say this was

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<v Speaker 1>in the late eighties. This was a computer company that

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<v Speaker 1>one time was extremely successful. A lot of people haven't

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<v Speaker 1>really heard about Wong or Wang computers these days because

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<v Speaker 1>they were again sort of a business to business company.

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<v Speaker 1>But by the time Chambers left the company in nineteen ninety,

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<v Speaker 1>Wong was already on a downward spiral and it would

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<v Speaker 1>eventually declare bankruptcy. It would emerge from bankruptcy, it would

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<v Speaker 1>then get acquired, and ultimately it would end up dissolving

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<v Speaker 1>after a couple more acquisitions. Maybe someday I'll do a

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<v Speaker 1>full episode to talk about the history of that company. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>by that time, John Chambers was already part of Cisco.

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<v Speaker 1>He had joined that team officially in nine and he

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<v Speaker 1>would serve as the Cisco CEO for two decades. He

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<v Speaker 1>would stay on a CEO until July two thousand, fifteen,

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<v Speaker 1>and a lot happened in those two decades. So Chamber

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<v Speaker 1>serves as the new CEO of Cisco and its business

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<v Speaker 1>as usual, meaning the company is continuing to grow and

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<v Speaker 1>acquire other companies. This was a time when people began

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<v Speaker 1>to get incredibly excited about the potential of the Internet

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<v Speaker 1>the mid to late nineties. Startups were beginning to bloom

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<v Speaker 1>in the mid nineties, but that would really build to

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<v Speaker 1>a fever pitch by the end of the nineties. It

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<v Speaker 1>got crazy. The Information super Highway was being hailed as

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<v Speaker 1>the next frontier. It was where people were going to

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<v Speaker 1>make their fortune. It was a land grab of massive scale.

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<v Speaker 1>It was where we were all going to live, and

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<v Speaker 1>we were going to have experiences in virtual environments that

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<v Speaker 1>would let us work and shop and play and experienced

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<v Speaker 1>life in a way we just could not imagine before

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<v Speaker 1>the Internet, Or at least that's how it was all

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<v Speaker 1>sold to us. No one was really sure how it

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<v Speaker 1>was actually gonna shake out, but they were all sure

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<v Speaker 1>that it would lead to this amazing virtual future. And Cisco,

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<v Speaker 1>a comedy that continued to supply the technology that made

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<v Speaker 1>Internet connect communication possible, was profiting from this excitement in

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<v Speaker 1>a very real way. More companies were building up networks

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<v Speaker 1>that meant they needed the equipment that Cisco produced in

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<v Speaker 1>order to do that. Uh, they were going to Cisco

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<v Speaker 1>primarily because it was the biggest name out there. It

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<v Speaker 1>was the dominant manufacturer of various network components like routers

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<v Speaker 1>and switches, so if you needed to build out your network,

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<v Speaker 1>chances are you were going with Cisco hardware. They needed

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<v Speaker 1>to establish safe networks, they had an air gap between

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<v Speaker 1>the network and the Internet, so they would go with

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<v Speaker 1>the best, biggest name in the industry. They needed the

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<v Speaker 1>hardware that Cisco was known for, and the company was

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<v Speaker 1>doing business like gang busters. In Fortune magazine would list

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<v Speaker 1>Cisco among the Fortune five Companies list at number three

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<v Speaker 1>thirty two. But in just a couple of years, Cisco

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<v Speaker 1>would become the most valuable company in the world tech company,

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<v Speaker 1>that is, for a short while anyway, Cisco first started

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<v Speaker 1>offering cable modems for end users. This is one of

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<v Speaker 1>the few products the company made for home consumers as

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<v Speaker 1>opposed to enterprises. So they entered the consumer market in

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<v Speaker 1>a limited way, uh and experimented with this for a

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<v Speaker 1>little more than a decade, and Cisco would later purchase

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<v Speaker 1>companies like links Is in two thousand three to increase

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<v Speaker 1>this offering. Links Is makes routers home routers that kind

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<v Speaker 1>of thing and had existed before Cisco came along. Then

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<v Speaker 1>Cisco lumps links us and under its wing. However, Cisco

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<v Speaker 1>would not hold on to all these consumer facing companies

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<v Speaker 1>like links Is, which Cisco sold to Belcan in two

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<v Speaker 1>thousand thirteen, one decade later. In fact, at that time,

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<v Speaker 1>Cisco pretty much divested itself of all home market products

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<v Speaker 1>in general. Interesting side note by the way links Is

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<v Speaker 1>Cisco was founded by a married couple. This would be

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<v Speaker 1>Janey and Victor sal who founded links Is, which originally

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<v Speaker 1>had the name D E W International. And yes, the

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<v Speaker 1>original site for that company was in fact a garage

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<v Speaker 1>in California because the archetype exists for a reason. Marked

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<v Speaker 1>Cisco's fifteenth anniversary. It had hit revenues of twelve billion dollars.

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<v Speaker 1>It had grown so much through expansions and acquisitions that

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<v Speaker 1>now had more than twenty thousand employees, and in March

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<v Speaker 1>two thousand, Cisco hit its peak that it has never

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<v Speaker 1>met since then. Spoiler alert, Cisco's market cap, which when

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<v Speaker 1>it launched was two four million dollars I'll remind you,

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<v Speaker 1>hit five hundred fifty five point four billion dollars in

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<v Speaker 1>March two thousand. That meant Cisco had officially displaced Microsoft

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<v Speaker 1>as the most valuable company in the world. This value

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<v Speaker 1>was fueled again by the fervor around the Internet. Internet

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<v Speaker 1>service providers were furiously building out their infrastructure and relying

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<v Speaker 1>heavily on Cisco technologies to do so. The company was

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<v Speaker 1>in great shape, and then the bubble burst. Now I've

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<v Speaker 1>covered the dot com bubble and other episodes, so I'm

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<v Speaker 1>just going to kind of give a quick summary of

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<v Speaker 1>what happened here in the late nineties and into two thousand,

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<v Speaker 1>even into two thousand one, to some extent, there was

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<v Speaker 1>an almost unreal amount of investment pouring into internet ventures. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>some of those ventures would prove to be good ideas

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<v Speaker 1>that could stand the test of time, like Amazon that

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<v Speaker 1>was able to survive the dot com bubble burst. Others

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<v Speaker 1>were decent ideas, but the people behind them were unable

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<v Speaker 1>to execute those ideas the way they had envisioned, so

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<v Speaker 1>they weren't able to make any money off of this

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<v Speaker 1>cool idea. And it might be that once the bubble

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<v Speaker 1>did burst a few years later, someone else came along

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<v Speaker 1>with a similar idea and they were able to make

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<v Speaker 1>it work. At the time, it just didn't. Some of

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<v Speaker 1>the ideas were just playing bad. But around this time

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<v Speaker 1>in the late nineties, the general feeling was if you

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<v Speaker 1>did not get in on this internet craze, if you

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<v Speaker 1>did not put your money there, you were going to

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<v Speaker 1>miss out on an incredible investment opportunity. The venture capitalists

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<v Speaker 1>were blasting companies with huge investments. I mean, it was

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<v Speaker 1>almost like people were throwing money at these startup companies

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<v Speaker 1>they were finding themselves flush with cash. Some of them

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<v Speaker 1>were finding themselves in possession of way more money than

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<v Speaker 1>was necessary for them to actually do what it was

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<v Speaker 1>they said they wanted to do. And lots of startup

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<v Speaker 1>entrepreneurs went more than a little bonkers with all that dough.

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<v Speaker 1>They started tricking out their offices with lavish furniture and amenities.

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<v Speaker 1>They had spent huge amounts on stuff they didn't actually

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<v Speaker 1>need that wasn't contributing to their business at all. Some

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<v Speaker 1>of them didn't have a business plan to speak of.

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<v Speaker 1>They had a cool idea, something that sounded neat, but

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<v Speaker 1>they didn't have a strategy of how they were going

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<v Speaker 1>to even generate revenue, let alone make a profit. And

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<v Speaker 1>once the initial excitement started to die down, people began

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<v Speaker 1>to ask hard questions, like how the heck is this

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<v Speaker 1>company going to pay back the investment I put into it.

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<v Speaker 1>The market peaked in March of two thousand, fueled by

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<v Speaker 1>rampant speculation, and then the bubble burst. Now, why the

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<v Speaker 1>bubble burst is complicated, as there were there's more than

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<v Speaker 1>just investors waking up, right. It wasn't just people got

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<v Speaker 1>out of bed one day and said hang on and

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<v Speaker 1>then and then the balloon just totally pops. That's more

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<v Speaker 1>simple than what really happened. A lot of startups had

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<v Speaker 1>burned through their initial cash and had nothing related to

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<v Speaker 1>show for it except pending disaster, and the dot com

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<v Speaker 1>crash saw several internet startups go under just months after

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<v Speaker 1>they had made headlines with incredible successful I p o s.

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<v Speaker 1>These were companies that had failed to generate a profit, or,

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<v Speaker 1>like I said, in a few cases, they had failed

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<v Speaker 1>to make any revenue at all. While some of them

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<v Speaker 1>received enormous amounts of investment money, that cash was spent,

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<v Speaker 1>and without a steady source of incoming revenue or more investment,

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<v Speaker 1>those companies couldn't stay afloat, so the market retracted. Cisco

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<v Speaker 1>was in a different space. It was a big, established company.

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<v Speaker 1>It wasn't about to go out of business, but it

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<v Speaker 1>did take an enormous hit from this dot com bubble burst.

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<v Speaker 1>Its stock price declined by more than eighty percent as

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<v Speaker 1>a result, and the company had been on a rocket

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<v Speaker 1>to the stratosphere before this. A lot of people were

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<v Speaker 1>even predicting that Cisco was going to become the first

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<v Speaker 1>trillion dollar company, but it's market cap ended up going

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<v Speaker 1>from more than five hundred billion to one fifty one

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<v Speaker 1>billion in two thousand one, and it would dip even

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<v Speaker 1>lower in subsequent years, so it didn't go out of business,

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<v Speaker 1>but its value was reduced to less than half of

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<v Speaker 1>what it had been at its peak. By the end

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<v Speaker 1>of fiscal year two thousand two, Cisco stocks were trading

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<v Speaker 1>at around twelve dollars per share. The change from fiscal

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<v Speaker 1>year two thousand one to two thousand two is noticeable

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<v Speaker 1>if you look at timelines for Cisco, even once from

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<v Speaker 1>the company itself, because companies tend to not want to

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<v Speaker 1>draw attention to really difficult years, and they sometimes will

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<v Speaker 1>just they don't necessarily fudge results, but they might leave

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<v Speaker 1>details out. But there's an official Cisco timeline that gives

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<v Speaker 1>you revenue and employee count every year from its founding

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<v Speaker 1>up to two thousand thirteen. At the end of fiscal

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<v Speaker 1>year two thousand one, the company posted twenty two point

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<v Speaker 1>three billion dollars in revenue and they had thirty eight thousand,

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<v Speaker 1>four hundred two employees. One year later, that had gone

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<v Speaker 1>down from twenty two point three billion to eighteen point

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<v Speaker 1>nine billion, and there were three thousand fewer employees Around

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<v Speaker 1>but still, and you're talking about billions of dollars in revenue.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not like Cisco was suddenly on the verge of collapse.

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<v Speaker 1>It just was suffering a pretty big setback. But I

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<v Speaker 1>was able to keep its footing, and CEO Chambers concentrated

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<v Speaker 1>on trying to lead his company to reverse this trend

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<v Speaker 1>and to go back into a period of growth. But

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<v Speaker 1>it took a few years. Cisco revenues and employee count

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<v Speaker 1>remained pretty flat from two thousand two to two thousand four,

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<v Speaker 1>So first it was all about stabilizing the company, then

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<v Speaker 1>it was trying to grow it again. During that time,

0:24:37.440 --> 0:24:41.320
<v Speaker 1>Cisco was doing other business. They had gotten into the

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<v Speaker 1>voice over Internet phone protocol system, so they were selling

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<v Speaker 1>I voide phones. They had shipped four million of those

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<v Speaker 1>by two thousand four. It had introduced security solutions in

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<v Speaker 1>two thousand five, and it appeared to be on a

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<v Speaker 1>slow climb back to where it was now. I want

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<v Speaker 1>to talk a little bit more about what Cisco did

0:25:01.560 --> 0:25:03.800
<v Speaker 1>in the aftermath of the dot com bubble and what

0:25:03.880 --> 0:25:06.160
<v Speaker 1>it's doing today, But before I get into that, let's

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<v Speaker 1>take another quick break to thank our sponsor. Two thousand

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<v Speaker 1>six saw a big year of growth for Cisco. The

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<v Speaker 1>company was really able to get out of that rut

0:25:23.800 --> 0:25:27.160
<v Speaker 1>it was in. It was also getting into the business

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<v Speaker 1>of telepresence. That's, you know, the whole video calling business,

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<v Speaker 1>which in two thousand six was still a pretty young

0:25:35.240 --> 0:25:39.840
<v Speaker 1>science and technology. It wasn't that it was really novel.

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<v Speaker 1>Not a lot of people had had made use of it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yet these days you can have it on your smartphone.

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<v Speaker 1>It was still a dominant player in switches and routers

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<v Speaker 1>at that time, and it had grown to nearly fifty

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<v Speaker 1>two thousand employees, so it looked like it was well

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<v Speaker 1>on the way to full recovery, and it continued to

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<v Speaker 1>make strategic acquisitions. It also officially dropped Systems from its

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<v Speaker 1>name and simply became known as Cisco. They also launched

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<v Speaker 1>a campaign called the Human Network. This was an advertising

0:26:08.720 --> 0:26:11.840
<v Speaker 1>campaign pain to uh kind of position the company as

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<v Speaker 1>one that had a place in the average household, and

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<v Speaker 1>this was a relatively short lived attempt for Cisco to

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<v Speaker 1>make a bigger move into the consumer electronics market space. Ultimately,

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<v Speaker 1>the company would change gears and again focus on enterprise customers.

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<v Speaker 1>They would ultimately decide that it was a mistake to

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<v Speaker 1>get into consumer electronics. Now. One very disturbing story involving

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<v Speaker 1>Cisco around this time that first started to emerge in

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<v Speaker 1>the UH around two thousand eight or so and has

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<v Speaker 1>continued to be brought up in discussion since then, was

0:26:48.200 --> 0:26:52.320
<v Speaker 1>the company's involvement in supplying technology to China. Now, according

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<v Speaker 1>to allegations brought against Cisco by various human rights organizations,

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<v Speaker 1>Cisco was instrumental and provide fighting and customizing technology for

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<v Speaker 1>China's Golden Shield System. We have also called the Golden

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<v Speaker 1>Shield System the Great Firewall of China. The Chinese government

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<v Speaker 1>restricts access to the Internet, so a lot of sites

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<v Speaker 1>are strictly forbidden, and the Great Firewall allows the Chinese

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<v Speaker 1>government to essentially dictate which parts of the Internet are

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<v Speaker 1>are are accessible within China and which ones should not

0:27:30.200 --> 0:27:33.879
<v Speaker 1>be accessible within China. It's a very authoritarian approach to

0:27:34.000 --> 0:27:38.520
<v Speaker 1>Internet access. Now, the allegations state that Cisco provided technology

0:27:38.560 --> 0:27:42.800
<v Speaker 1>that allowed the Chinese government to identify and pursue individuals

0:27:42.840 --> 0:27:46.760
<v Speaker 1>that the government had identified as being undesirable, people that

0:27:47.080 --> 0:27:51.280
<v Speaker 1>the government had said are dangerous. That included practitioners of

0:27:51.320 --> 0:27:56.320
<v Speaker 1>the Falloon Gong religion. So, according to the allegations these

0:27:56.320 --> 0:28:00.560
<v Speaker 1>people were reportedly hunted down, captured towards, shured, and in

0:28:00.640 --> 0:28:06.040
<v Speaker 1>at least one instance killed. The lawsuits accused Cisco of

0:28:06.200 --> 0:28:10.240
<v Speaker 1>knowingly providing technology that would be used in those endeavors,

0:28:10.240 --> 0:28:13.440
<v Speaker 1>saying there's no way the company would not have known

0:28:14.119 --> 0:28:16.959
<v Speaker 1>that the tech they were designing for the Chinese government

0:28:17.000 --> 0:28:21.880
<v Speaker 1>was specifically for the purpose of the government identifying, singling out,

0:28:22.040 --> 0:28:27.280
<v Speaker 1>and pursuing specific individuals within China. The initial lawsuit was

0:28:27.320 --> 0:28:29.800
<v Speaker 1>dismissed when a judge stated the plaintiffs had failed to

0:28:29.840 --> 0:28:33.800
<v Speaker 1>provide evidence that Cisco would have known the technology would

0:28:33.800 --> 0:28:37.080
<v Speaker 1>be put to such use. The plaintiffs appealed, with oral

0:28:37.240 --> 0:28:41.200
<v Speaker 1>arguments happening in April seventeen, but then the submission of

0:28:41.240 --> 0:28:44.200
<v Speaker 1>the case was vacated, pending the judgment on a different

0:28:44.240 --> 0:28:46.360
<v Speaker 1>case that the Supreme Court was hearing. It was called

0:28:46.440 --> 0:28:49.320
<v Speaker 1>Jesner versus Air of the Bank. At issue was whether

0:28:49.400 --> 0:28:52.600
<v Speaker 1>or not foreign corporations could or could not be defendants

0:28:52.600 --> 0:28:56.160
<v Speaker 1>in suits brought under the Alien Tort Statute. The Supreme

0:28:56.240 --> 0:28:58.160
<v Speaker 1>Court found that they could not in a five to

0:28:58.200 --> 0:29:01.040
<v Speaker 1>four decision, and as far as I intel the matter

0:29:01.400 --> 0:29:05.880
<v Speaker 1>is at arrest, there that that in US courts will

0:29:05.920 --> 0:29:09.000
<v Speaker 1>not hear the case. That's my understanding. Uh, it may

0:29:09.080 --> 0:29:12.040
<v Speaker 1>turn out to be different. I am not a legal expert.

0:29:12.760 --> 0:29:16.120
<v Speaker 1>One of the ways that Cisco tried to target consumers

0:29:16.200 --> 0:29:20.160
<v Speaker 1>around this time was in the consumer video camera market.

0:29:20.640 --> 0:29:24.920
<v Speaker 1>In two thousand nine, Cisco acquired Pure Digital Technologies. That's

0:29:24.960 --> 0:29:27.680
<v Speaker 1>the company that was behind the flip video cameras. Do

0:29:27.680 --> 0:29:29.560
<v Speaker 1>you remember those? They're kind of cool. I actually kind

0:29:29.560 --> 0:29:32.840
<v Speaker 1>of thought they were neat. Uh. Cisco might have timed

0:29:32.960 --> 0:29:35.640
<v Speaker 1>that kind of poorly, because two thousand nine was right

0:29:35.680 --> 0:29:38.960
<v Speaker 1>around the time that the handheld cam quarter market was

0:29:39.080 --> 0:29:43.080
<v Speaker 1>getting pushed aside by smartphones, more of which were including

0:29:43.200 --> 0:29:47.280
<v Speaker 1>cameras capable of taking video. Cisco stuck with this plan

0:29:47.440 --> 0:29:52.480
<v Speaker 1>until April, and then it discontinued the flip video cameras

0:29:52.480 --> 0:29:55.800
<v Speaker 1>because the company was looking Cisco, that is, was looking

0:29:55.840 --> 0:30:00.240
<v Speaker 1>to extricate itself from the home consumer market entirely. The

0:30:00.280 --> 0:30:03.920
<v Speaker 1>space was too crowded with too many competitors, and many

0:30:03.960 --> 0:30:06.880
<v Speaker 1>of those competitors had been at the game for way

0:30:06.920 --> 0:30:09.760
<v Speaker 1>longer than Cisco. In fact, even longer than Cisco had

0:30:09.760 --> 0:30:13.560
<v Speaker 1>existed as a company, so things were pretty rough for Cisco.

0:30:13.600 --> 0:30:17.080
<v Speaker 1>There By two thousand eleven, other companies were also starting

0:30:17.080 --> 0:30:21.480
<v Speaker 1>to really seriously compete against Cisco in the network infrastructure

0:30:21.560 --> 0:30:25.120
<v Speaker 1>business that's the bread and butter of Cisco. At least

0:30:25.200 --> 0:30:27.760
<v Speaker 1>up to that time, Cisco was still the dominant player

0:30:28.040 --> 0:30:30.920
<v Speaker 1>that was no longer commanding nearly all the market the

0:30:30.960 --> 0:30:34.560
<v Speaker 1>way it had been. As a result, the company's earnings

0:30:34.600 --> 0:30:38.680
<v Speaker 1>were lower than what they had projected previously, and so

0:30:38.760 --> 0:30:41.480
<v Speaker 1>Cisco had to look for ways to cut costs. And

0:30:41.520 --> 0:30:44.880
<v Speaker 1>if you've worked for a big company, you probably anticipate

0:30:45.000 --> 0:30:49.480
<v Speaker 1>what happened next, because one way companies cut costs after

0:30:49.560 --> 0:30:53.560
<v Speaker 1>a rough financial year is by laying off employees. John

0:30:53.640 --> 0:30:57.440
<v Speaker 1>Chambers essentially said, I've done goofed up the Really he

0:30:57.880 --> 0:31:00.400
<v Speaker 1>was more professional than I make it sound, and it

0:31:00.480 --> 0:31:02.920
<v Speaker 1>wasn't like it was an obvious mistake on the face

0:31:02.920 --> 0:31:06.640
<v Speaker 1>of it. The problem, as Chambers admitted, was that Cisco

0:31:06.720 --> 0:31:09.920
<v Speaker 1>had tried to compete in too many markets, many of

0:31:09.960 --> 0:31:13.840
<v Speaker 1>which had entrenched players, like the home consumer market, for example.

0:31:14.400 --> 0:31:16.400
<v Speaker 1>So the company was fighting a war that had too

0:31:16.440 --> 0:31:19.440
<v Speaker 1>many fronts, and so Chamber said it was time to

0:31:19.480 --> 0:31:24.040
<v Speaker 1>simplify Cisco's approach to narrow its focus, and unfortunately that

0:31:24.080 --> 0:31:26.600
<v Speaker 1>also meant cut some jobs in the process, because those

0:31:26.680 --> 0:31:30.240
<v Speaker 1>jobs would no longer be necessary for the company's mission.

0:31:31.000 --> 0:31:34.120
<v Speaker 1>Chambers wanted to cut expenses by about six percent, but

0:31:34.280 --> 0:31:40.160
<v Speaker 1>six percent meant one billion dollars. Some analysts estimated that

0:31:40.160 --> 0:31:42.640
<v Speaker 1>could mean the company might eliminate as many as ten

0:31:42.720 --> 0:31:45.880
<v Speaker 1>thousand jobs, which would be about four percent of its workforce.

0:31:46.560 --> 0:31:48.160
<v Speaker 1>Others said it was probably going to be closer to

0:31:48.240 --> 0:31:52.080
<v Speaker 1>four thousand. Now, according to Cisco's own timeline, it looks

0:31:52.120 --> 0:31:54.480
<v Speaker 1>like the real number was somewhere in between four thousand

0:31:54.520 --> 0:31:57.520
<v Speaker 1>and ten thousand. At the end of fiscal year eleven,

0:31:57.520 --> 0:32:01.720
<v Speaker 1>the company had seventy one five employees. At the end

0:32:01.760 --> 0:32:05.000
<v Speaker 1>of the following year, it was down to sixty six thousand,

0:32:05.120 --> 0:32:08.240
<v Speaker 1>six hundred thirty nine. So, assuming some folks were brought

0:32:08.240 --> 0:32:11.600
<v Speaker 1>on throughout two thousand twelve, either through acquisitions or through hires,

0:32:11.840 --> 0:32:14.680
<v Speaker 1>that would mean around five thousand people were let go.

0:32:15.360 --> 0:32:17.360
<v Speaker 1>It wouldn't be the last time Cisco would have to

0:32:17.440 --> 0:32:20.600
<v Speaker 1>lay off a lot of people. In August, the company

0:32:20.640 --> 0:32:23.480
<v Speaker 1>announced it would eliminate five thousand, five hundred jobs, and

0:32:23.520 --> 0:32:27.000
<v Speaker 1>the following year it announced another eleven hundred positions would

0:32:27.000 --> 0:32:30.320
<v Speaker 1>be on the chopping block. Now. That was probably because

0:32:30.480 --> 0:32:35.640
<v Speaker 1>Cisco has pivoted. In recent years, the network infrastructure market

0:32:35.680 --> 0:32:39.760
<v Speaker 1>has slowed down considerably because eventually you've got enough super

0:32:39.840 --> 0:32:43.040
<v Speaker 1>highway laid down right. Internet service providers have built out

0:32:43.040 --> 0:32:50.280
<v Speaker 1>their infrastructures. They might continue to UH implement new material

0:32:50.360 --> 0:32:53.360
<v Speaker 1>into those infrastructures, but there's no longer this land grab.

0:32:53.480 --> 0:32:58.280
<v Speaker 1>There's no longer this very fast expansion of Internet infrastructure.

0:32:58.600 --> 0:33:02.600
<v Speaker 1>It's not necessary. A lot of of of organizations already

0:33:02.600 --> 0:33:05.560
<v Speaker 1>have the equipment they need. So for the last couple

0:33:05.560 --> 0:33:08.720
<v Speaker 1>of years, Cisco has had to look at a different

0:33:09.080 --> 0:33:13.040
<v Speaker 1>source for revenue, something some other area of growth. They

0:33:13.040 --> 0:33:17.720
<v Speaker 1>could still do business with network infrastructure materials, but it's

0:33:17.760 --> 0:33:20.920
<v Speaker 1>not gonna have the year over your growth that investors

0:33:20.960 --> 0:33:24.640
<v Speaker 1>want to see. So the company has switched to concentrate

0:33:24.680 --> 0:33:27.880
<v Speaker 1>more on software and cloud computing services as well as

0:33:27.880 --> 0:33:30.760
<v Speaker 1>the Internet of things. In fact, there's a pretty good

0:33:30.840 --> 0:33:34.440
<v Speaker 1>chance that the Internet of Things got its name from Cisco,

0:33:34.960 --> 0:33:39.240
<v Speaker 1>which was the organization that really recognized when individual uh

0:33:39.440 --> 0:33:43.680
<v Speaker 1>network connected components were out numbering the number of people

0:33:43.760 --> 0:33:47.560
<v Speaker 1>on the planet, saying well, we now have more devices

0:33:47.600 --> 0:33:50.320
<v Speaker 1>connected to the Internet than there are people in the world.

0:33:50.960 --> 0:33:53.440
<v Speaker 1>That happened, by the way, around two two thousand nine.

0:33:54.360 --> 0:33:57.400
<v Speaker 1>One person who left his job was John Chambers, but

0:33:57.560 --> 0:34:00.480
<v Speaker 1>that was his choice. He didn't get fired. He actually

0:34:00.480 --> 0:34:04.120
<v Speaker 1>retired as CEO in twif As I mentioned earlier, his

0:34:04.200 --> 0:34:08.360
<v Speaker 1>replacement was Chuck Robbins, the current CEO of Cisco. He

0:34:08.400 --> 0:34:10.960
<v Speaker 1>had worked for Cisco for nearly twenty years. He had

0:34:10.960 --> 0:34:14.880
<v Speaker 1>previously been the senior vice president of worldwide Operations. Now,

0:34:14.880 --> 0:34:17.319
<v Speaker 1>if you listen to my last episode, you heard me

0:34:17.400 --> 0:34:20.799
<v Speaker 1>say that a one thousand dollar investment in Cisco when

0:34:20.800 --> 0:34:24.279
<v Speaker 1>it first went public wouldn't netted you fifty five point

0:34:24.320 --> 0:34:27.520
<v Speaker 1>five five shares, which means they're around eighteen dollars per share,

0:34:28.120 --> 0:34:30.960
<v Speaker 1>which made me wonder how much would they be worth today?

0:34:31.160 --> 0:34:36.240
<v Speaker 1>So since that time, the company's shares have split multiple times,

0:34:36.880 --> 0:34:39.320
<v Speaker 1>so you have to take all that into count. Fifty

0:34:39.360 --> 0:34:44.480
<v Speaker 1>five point five five shares from would be more shares

0:34:44.520 --> 0:34:47.600
<v Speaker 1>today because they kept splitting. So how many shares would

0:34:47.640 --> 0:34:51.759
<v Speaker 1>you have today? Probably somewhere around sixteen thousand, that's how

0:34:51.760 --> 0:34:55.160
<v Speaker 1>many times it splits. Now, keep in mind a split

0:34:56.160 --> 0:34:59.000
<v Speaker 1>typically doubles the number of shares you have. Sometimes it

0:34:59.080 --> 0:35:00.800
<v Speaker 1>can be more than that, depend upon the nature of

0:35:00.840 --> 0:35:04.080
<v Speaker 1>the split. At the time I am researching this episode,

0:35:04.280 --> 0:35:07.480
<v Speaker 1>Cisco shares our price at about forty two dollars eighty

0:35:07.520 --> 0:35:10.200
<v Speaker 1>six cents per share. So if you do some multiplication,

0:35:10.800 --> 0:35:14.120
<v Speaker 1>you take your sixteen thousand, you multiply by that, that

0:35:14.160 --> 0:35:16.560
<v Speaker 1>would mean you're one thousand dollar investment way back in

0:35:16.640 --> 0:35:20.640
<v Speaker 1>nineteen nine would be worth about six hundred eighty five thousand,

0:35:20.760 --> 0:35:24.919
<v Speaker 1>seven hundred sixty dollars today. But hey, let's let's be fair.

0:35:25.080 --> 0:35:28.160
<v Speaker 1>Let's sudjust that one thousand dollars for inflation, right, because

0:35:28.160 --> 0:35:30.640
<v Speaker 1>a thousand dollars in nineteen ninety is worth more than

0:35:30.680 --> 0:35:33.720
<v Speaker 1>a thousand dollars and twenty eighteen money, So in today's

0:35:33.719 --> 0:35:36.560
<v Speaker 1>cash it would be worth about one thousand, nine hundred

0:35:36.600 --> 0:35:40.280
<v Speaker 1>seventy seven dollars ninety four cents. So let's just rounded

0:35:40.360 --> 0:35:42.919
<v Speaker 1>up to two thousand dollars. So a two thousand dollar

0:35:43.000 --> 0:35:48.040
<v Speaker 1>investment in today's buying power back in nineteen would net

0:35:48.080 --> 0:35:52.880
<v Speaker 1>you more than half a million dollars. That's after Cisco's

0:35:52.960 --> 0:35:55.520
<v Speaker 1>struggles during the dot com crash and the two thousand

0:35:55.600 --> 0:35:58.400
<v Speaker 1>eleven crisis, so that's not bad, though the company is

0:35:58.400 --> 0:36:00.359
<v Speaker 1>still a far cry from its peak you have five

0:36:00.760 --> 0:36:03.799
<v Speaker 1>billion dollars. In fact, as of the day I'm researching this,

0:36:03.920 --> 0:36:07.359
<v Speaker 1>the company has a market capitalization of one nine point

0:36:07.480 --> 0:36:11.239
<v Speaker 1>ninety three billion dollars. Still really impressive, but that's less

0:36:11.239 --> 0:36:14.560
<v Speaker 1>than half of what it was at its peak, even

0:36:14.600 --> 0:36:18.800
<v Speaker 1>before you adjust for inflation. Now, I've got another question

0:36:18.840 --> 0:36:21.040
<v Speaker 1>for you. What if you had made that one thousand

0:36:21.040 --> 0:36:24.919
<v Speaker 1>dollar investment back in nine, but then, you know, just

0:36:25.160 --> 0:36:30.239
<v Speaker 1>at the very peak of Cisco's value, you sold off

0:36:30.280 --> 0:36:32.960
<v Speaker 1>all of your your stocks. Let's say you just get

0:36:32.960 --> 0:36:35.920
<v Speaker 1>this feeling in your bones. You're like this, this is

0:36:35.960 --> 0:36:38.000
<v Speaker 1>about to take a downward turn, so I'm going to

0:36:38.080 --> 0:36:40.919
<v Speaker 1>get rid of all my stock right now. Well, if

0:36:40.920 --> 0:36:43.560
<v Speaker 1>you had done that, if you had taken that fifty

0:36:43.600 --> 0:36:46.759
<v Speaker 1>five point five five shares of stock that you bought

0:36:46.800 --> 0:36:49.200
<v Speaker 1>for one thousand dollars back in nineteen nine, and you

0:36:49.280 --> 0:36:53.080
<v Speaker 1>sold it at its peak, you would have netted one million,

0:36:53.200 --> 0:36:58.240
<v Speaker 1>two hundred sixty four thousand dollars more than a million

0:36:58.440 --> 0:37:01.120
<v Speaker 1>dollars on a thousand dollars in ustment. That would be

0:37:01.280 --> 0:37:06.480
<v Speaker 1>pretty darn suite. But that's hindsight, and hindsight is always

0:37:06.520 --> 0:37:09.000
<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty. At the time, you would not have known,

0:37:09.040 --> 0:37:11.200
<v Speaker 1>maybe you would have thought, Nope, it's on its way

0:37:11.200 --> 0:37:15.719
<v Speaker 1>to a trillion dollar company. I'm holding onto these stocks, yes, sirree. Now, ultimately,

0:37:16.120 --> 0:37:19.360
<v Speaker 1>the story of Cisco is a complicated one. It's a

0:37:19.360 --> 0:37:22.560
<v Speaker 1>company that was founded on a collaborative effort that left

0:37:22.560 --> 0:37:25.239
<v Speaker 1>a few of the collaborators upset at how their work

0:37:25.320 --> 0:37:28.840
<v Speaker 1>was leveraged for commercial products. The technology from Cisco and

0:37:28.880 --> 0:37:31.680
<v Speaker 1>the companies that acquired has made it possible for countless

0:37:31.680 --> 0:37:34.960
<v Speaker 1>other businesses and organizations to adapt the requirements of the

0:37:34.960 --> 0:37:37.960
<v Speaker 1>twenty first century. And while Cisco was blasted by the

0:37:38.000 --> 0:37:41.400
<v Speaker 1>dot com bubble bursting, it's not like it was responsible

0:37:41.680 --> 0:37:45.880
<v Speaker 1>for that mess. The company was investing billions of dollars

0:37:45.920 --> 0:37:49.400
<v Speaker 1>and acquisitions, which likely helped fuel some of the speculation

0:37:49.440 --> 0:37:52.319
<v Speaker 1>around the dot com bubble, but it wasn't engaged in

0:37:52.320 --> 0:37:54.840
<v Speaker 1>the same sort of shenanigans that ultimately led to the

0:37:54.840 --> 0:37:58.560
<v Speaker 1>bubble collapsing. They were more of a victim of that

0:37:58.760 --> 0:38:03.960
<v Speaker 1>than someone was perpetrating the mess that caused it. So

0:38:04.840 --> 0:38:07.120
<v Speaker 1>I'm not trying to lay blame at Cisco for the

0:38:07.160 --> 0:38:11.040
<v Speaker 1>dot com bubble. Far from it. Well, that wraps up

0:38:11.600 --> 0:38:15.080
<v Speaker 1>these two episodes about Cisco, where it came from what

0:38:15.160 --> 0:38:18.680
<v Speaker 1>it does and where it's headed. It's very much in

0:38:18.760 --> 0:38:22.080
<v Speaker 1>the cloud computing space and and software as a service

0:38:22.080 --> 0:38:26.440
<v Speaker 1>space these days, so very different from building network cards

0:38:26.480 --> 0:38:29.800
<v Speaker 1>and routers way back in night And of course the

0:38:29.840 --> 0:38:32.000
<v Speaker 1>co founders haven't had anything to do with the company

0:38:32.080 --> 0:38:35.839
<v Speaker 1>since nine so it's a very different company than what

0:38:36.480 --> 0:38:39.959
<v Speaker 1>was formed out of a living room in San Jose

0:38:40.120 --> 0:38:45.640
<v Speaker 1>back in the early eighties. Interesting story, lots of controversy there.

0:38:45.880 --> 0:38:49.080
<v Speaker 1>I am curious to read more about a lot of

0:38:49.080 --> 0:38:51.880
<v Speaker 1>the stories here, and maybe someday do another update, but

0:38:52.000 --> 0:38:54.839
<v Speaker 1>for now, let's close the book on Cisco. If any

0:38:54.920 --> 0:38:58.600
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0:38:58.640 --> 0:39:00.839
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0:39:07.000 --> 0:39:09.680
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