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Speaker 1: Oh, here we go on a Wednesday. NBA opened up

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Speaker 1: last night. That was fun. Way to go in BC.

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Speaker 1: That wasn't bet at all. Little MJ. Here we are

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Speaker 1: wherever you may be, however you may be watching or listening.

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Speaker 1: We're in Chicago. It's the hurt Well chrisp This morning

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Speaker 1: in Chicago. Is the NBA season starts in earnest. Last night,

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Speaker 1: Jay Mac, everybody yesterday is talk. We've discussed this. The

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Speaker 1: West is loaded, It's insane. I don't think Golden State's

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Speaker 1: gonna be a play team. I think the Lakers will

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Speaker 1: struggle like a six or a seven. If Lacron is healthy.

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Speaker 1: I think Minnesota could win it. I think okay SE's good.

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Speaker 1: I think Denver could win it. I think Dallas is

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Speaker 1: wildly underrated. Houston is the team to keep your eye

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Speaker 1: on because there's elements. They have two young stars I love,

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Speaker 1: but they brought in an old guy last night, Kevin Durant.

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Speaker 1: And let's talk about Kevin Durant. So Kevin Durant came

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Speaker 1: in last night, played okay, but if you watch the game,

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Speaker 1: is you know they got to figure out how to

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Speaker 1: get him more shots. He was kind of lost, especially

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Speaker 1: late in the game. So they are a collection of

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Speaker 1: talent at this point is I'm a little bit of

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Speaker 1: a pushback guy on Houston. They lost their point guard

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Speaker 1: Fred Van Vliet injury, so they're a team without a quarterback.

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Speaker 1: There are a collection of really talented musicians with no

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Speaker 1: conductor or lead singer. And at the end of the game,

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Speaker 1: I mean they led by twelve, and the third they

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Speaker 1: led by six with four minutes to go. But when

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Speaker 1: two good NBA teams play, it always comes down to

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Speaker 1: the final four or five possessions, final two and a

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Speaker 1: half minutes. That's what it comes down to. And Katie

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Speaker 1: was lost. They were disorganized. He called a timeout they

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Speaker 1: didn't have. He wasn't bad. He looked like he was

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Speaker 1: a hired mercenary. Oh wait, that's what Kevin Durant is

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Speaker 1: at this point. He is a thirty seven year old,

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Speaker 1: gifted bucket getter and Oklahoma City. All these guys have

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Speaker 1: been playing together for a couple of years. Ok See,

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Speaker 1: you better beat him soundly if the games are close,

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Speaker 1: especially now with all the KD brand new to Houston,

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Speaker 1: They're not going to look good late. They look good

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Speaker 1: first half, they look good, third quarter, they look good

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Speaker 1: with about five minutes to go, but late in the game. Okay,

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Speaker 1: see he's been through this. These guys been playing together

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Speaker 1: three four years. So at this point, Kevin Durant is

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Speaker 1: not a culture guy. He's not a two way player. Actually,

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Speaker 1: he's not a grind for eighty two game guy. He

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Speaker 1: is a mercenary. In fact, his Twitter handle is easy

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Speaker 1: money Sniper and that's only because I get paid to

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Speaker 1: shoot a lot was too long. That's what he is.

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Speaker 1: And in the final, I mean he had more fouls

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Speaker 1: just didn't do much, and that's because it's brand new.

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Speaker 1: He's kind of a limited great sniper. He comes out

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Speaker 1: and makes big shots and okase, he's got defenders and

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Speaker 1: depth and size and experience now and youth, and they're

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Speaker 1: just better team that's been playing together longer. So he

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Speaker 1: has value. Kevin Durant clearly has value. But when I

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Speaker 1: watched Houston last night without a point guard, it's point

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Speaker 1: guard by committee. Amen Thompson, great talent. Alprin shen Gun

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Speaker 1: best player on the Rockets, much better than Kadi at

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Speaker 1: He's basically about ninety eighty percent of jokicch he didn't.

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Speaker 1: He's not as big and forceful as Jokic, but the touch,

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Speaker 1: the finesse, he can pass, he can hit threes. Kevin

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Speaker 1: doesn't need to be their best player, and he's not

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Speaker 1: gonna be. He's not the athlete of him. N Thompson,

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Speaker 1: He's paid to hit buckets and he'll hit a lot

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Speaker 1: one of the best athletes in the league. Not a point.

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Speaker 1: I mean, he can play it, but he's not a point.

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Speaker 1: Katie down the stretch fouls calling the timeout they didn't have.

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Speaker 1: He took the hit for the loss after the game.

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Speaker 3: A foul from Dan Plas Warren. I think those two

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Speaker 3: Yeah, sure, I gotta be better for you, throw down

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Speaker 3: as stay down, be more disciplined for his his opportunities

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Speaker 3: come around to offense. So I gotta be more take

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Speaker 1: And goes okay. Meanwhile, as we predicted Skinny Luca skinny jeans,

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Speaker 1: Luca is gonna score a lot of points, and he

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Speaker 1: did forty three and the Lakers lost to the Old Warriors.

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Speaker 1: So Skinny lucas we told you he's gonna lead the

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Speaker 1: NBA in usage rate. I think he has a chance

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Speaker 1: to win the scoring title. Last night, you saw that

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Speaker 1: he can attack the basket. Now I'm sorry he lost

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Speaker 1: twenty five. I can actually see his shoulders now. He's

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Speaker 1: gonna attack the rim, attack the basket. He beats guys

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Speaker 1: quicker off the dribble. So that is what we thought

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Speaker 1: and what we saw. Secondly, the game, same issues the

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Speaker 1: Lakers had last year, they have him this year. They

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Speaker 1: lack athleticism on the wing. They're going to struggle against

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Speaker 1: teams like Minnesota and OKC on the wing. They're bad

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Speaker 1: defensively in the post. They were last year they are

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Speaker 1: this year. And Lebron's older and will be available in

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Speaker 1: spurts and he'll be great in spurts. But Luca, Skinny Luca,

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Speaker 1: he's gonna score a lot of points. They are a

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Speaker 1: top heavy roster. Last night, Austin Reeves, who scored a

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Speaker 1: lot of stuff late and Luca combined for sixty nine points.

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Speaker 1: Nobody else had more than ten. Okay, that's what they're

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Speaker 1: Warriors had four guys fifteen or more. So. Essentially, the

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Speaker 1: Lakers are Luca plus old Lebron plus lack of athleticism

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Speaker 1: him credit for. So and the other thing the Lakers are.

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Speaker 1: JJ Reddy got kicked off about this. Last year the

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Speaker 1: Lakers were a terrible third quarter team, and last night,

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Speaker 1: despite the fact that Luca in twelve minutes at thirteen points,

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Speaker 1: last night, they were a terrible third quarter team. Why

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Speaker 1: this is my opinion, because the third quarter is when

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Speaker 1: you go in at half and they're really smart coaches,

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Speaker 1: pull some levers. Let's have a good say, how many

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Speaker 1: levers are there pull? They can't defend the rim. They're

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Speaker 1: not athletic enough. Lebron didn't play heavy reliance on Luca

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Speaker 1: thirteen points twelve minute. There's not a lot of levers here, right,

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Speaker 1: They're just so much. I mean, it's just like sometimes

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Speaker 1: NFL teams the Raids can go in at half. Gino's Geno,

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Speaker 1: where are the levers? Some teams have multiple levers. Denver's

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Speaker 1: got levers. You know, Eagles have levers, The Tampa Bay's

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Speaker 1: got them. What are the Lakers? What do you what

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Speaker 1: So my takeaway is, remember this is very important to remember,

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Speaker 1: and this is why then felt a little disengaged last night.

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Speaker 1: And this is a real thing. So Laker fans don't

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Speaker 1: forget this next sentence. They've got new ownership, but they

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Speaker 1: made the Lakers' new owners made a very public statement

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Speaker 1: this summer they want to be flexible in twenty twenty

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Speaker 1: six and twenty twenty seven. Uh huh, it's twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 1: Is the first time in Lebron's career. They're not going

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Speaker 1: for a ring. The games are going to be sold out,

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Speaker 1: Skinny Luca Lebron maybe his last year for the first

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Speaker 1: time ever, the ownership is not afraid of Lebron, and

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Speaker 1: they're not building a team for Lebron. The Lakers are

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Speaker 1: Luca JJ Reddick in the future and flexibility next year,

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Speaker 1: in the year after the draft. Next year is going

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Speaker 1: to be very good. There's gonna be opportunities down the road.

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Speaker 1: So the new Laker own and took this Laker ownership,

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Speaker 1: their stars, moved off, some embraced others. Long term build

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Speaker 1: So these new owners this is a Luca JJ Reddick

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Speaker 1: long term build. They would love to be a playoff team.

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Speaker 1: love to drive that playoff resident revenue. They'd love to

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Speaker 1: win a title. They're not winning a title. They're not

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Speaker 1: getting out of the West. They're not getting the Western

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Speaker 1: conference finals. Luca old Lebron, lack of athleticism, no rim protector. Defensively,

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Speaker 1: in the East, you could get to a conference final.

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Speaker 1: In the West, it's gonna be hard to win a series.

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Speaker 1: So Lebron's not happy about it. But for the first

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Speaker 1: time he's not driving this bus. Luca, though the weight loss.

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Speaker 1: He's quicker. He attacks the rim. He didn't do that

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Speaker 1: last year. A lot of fallaways, a lot of settling.

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Speaker 1: He's back to attacking the rim. Here's Luke after.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I feel like I say, no, less tiring, better shape.

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Speaker 4: So I'm just trying to get a win. You've got

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Speaker 4: to try and be physical. You know, obviously they're in bonus.

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Speaker 4: It's a little bit harder, but the end, you got

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Speaker 4: to get a stop and that's what kind of winning

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Speaker 4: the game.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, this is not going to be a great defensive team.

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Speaker 1: Great defensive teams are great protecting the rim and hyper athletic.

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Speaker 1: That's why, like Minnesota when they played them last year,

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Speaker 1: go bear protects the rim. You know they got their

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Speaker 1: very highly athletic wing defenders. There are certain components you

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Speaker 1: need to be a good passing team in the NFL,

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Speaker 1: like a good offensive line, a quarterback over five to ten,

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Speaker 1: maybe a viable veteran tight end, good twitchy young receivers.

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Speaker 1: It's the same thing in the NBA. You want to

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Speaker 1: be a great defensive team, you have to be a

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Speaker 1: great rim defender. You gotta have somebody at the iron.

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Speaker 1: They don't really have that. They didn't last they made

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Speaker 1: a move. They don't this year. It's what they are,

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Speaker 1: and they're not super athletic on the wing, at least

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Speaker 1: not athletic enough to be the OKAC or a Minnesota

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Speaker 1: in a series. So I think. But I do think

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Speaker 1: if you love Luca, I can see his shoulders now.

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Speaker 1: I mean, what has he lost? Twenty seven twenty eight

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Speaker 1: pound me? He's much much quicker, plays downhill much more often.

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Speaker 1: That was fun. J Mack. I know you're a bit

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Speaker 1: of a Laker fan. That must have felt really good

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Speaker 1: last night.

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Speaker 1: Undeniably. I would would not.

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Speaker 5: Surprise me at all. Problem is you got to get

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Speaker 5: And by the way, Warriors take Warriors not going to

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Speaker 1: That veteran team looked really good together. Yeah, three months off,

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Speaker 1: All right, welcome back Joe Klatt top of Next hour.

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Speaker 1: So uh, very interesting game for the first time ever

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Speaker 1: All right, here we go, it is our two. We

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Speaker 1: This happened yesterday or the day before. I think it

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Speaker 8: It was a great win, good team effort to fight back.

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Speaker 8: Tip your hats to New York. Those guys that found

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Speaker 1: Well out, Russell Wilson did not like that, went to

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Speaker 1: Geno Smith, I get it. And with that, Joel Clatt,

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Speaker 1: the Voice of college Football, is joining US live. They'll

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Speaker 1: have the UCLA Indiana game, which is Ucla is a

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Speaker 1: crazy story. I mean, it's so weird. They get rid

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Speaker 1: of their coach and they have a completely different vibe, feel, energy,

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Speaker 1: and juice. For the record, does UCLA have any chance?

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's pretty interesting what they're doing offensively. Do

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Speaker 1: they have any chance to compete with Indiana?

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Speaker 9: Well, I mean they're playing substantially better football and they

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Speaker 9: still have a five star quarterback. This is what I

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Speaker 9: find so interesting in college football right now is these

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Speaker 9: teams that maybe we don't think a lot of they've

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Speaker 9: got better players than they ever have because of revenue

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Speaker 9: sharing and nil, and that talent has dispersed. So I

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Speaker 9: think more than any other year, I think that there

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Speaker 9: there are opportunities for a team like UCLA to go

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Speaker 9: out there and not only play with, but maybe even

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Speaker 9: beat Indiana. And it starts with their quarterback and he's

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Speaker 9: got a play well, and their play caller Jerry Neuheisel

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Speaker 9: now Tim Skipper doesn't probably get enough credit for the

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Speaker 9: way UCLA has bounced back and played so well, totally

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Speaker 9: different energy. I think you're exactly right. But also these

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Speaker 9: two coordinators that they that they have, Jerry Neuheisel has

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Speaker 9: really understood that he needs to teach the why to

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Speaker 9: the concept, and I think it shows on film when

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Speaker 9: I'm watching UCLA. It's drastically different with the way that

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Speaker 9: they play in terms of their urgency on offense. And

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Speaker 9: you can only do that if you understand the why,

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Speaker 9: not just what or how, but the why of what's

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Speaker 9: going on in the football field. So they're playing a

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Speaker 9: lot better. But I will tell you this is an

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Speaker 9: uphill battle because this Indiana team is very good, the

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Speaker 9: only team in college football right now in the top

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Speaker 9: five and scoring offense and scoring defense. They've got a

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Speaker 9: top five pick at quarterback, They've got experience on the outside.

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Speaker 9: The defense has been sensational, they can run it, they're balanced,

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Speaker 9: and that's a tough place to play. So you know,

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Speaker 9: it's an uphill battle for UCLA.

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Speaker 1: So when Ohio State went and got Chip Kelly from

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Speaker 1: the NFL and Matt Patricia, it shows you the meshing

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Speaker 1: in college and pro football I mean Belichick going to

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Speaker 1: college not working. But there's a mesh now. It used

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Speaker 1: to be there was pros. They look down at college football. Well, no,

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Speaker 1: you're seeing NFL guys steel offensive stuff from college. You're

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Speaker 1: seeing NFL guys go. I'll be a coordinator in college

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Speaker 1: and make a million bucks a year. But it's interesting.

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Speaker 1: So the other thing that's happening to college football that

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Speaker 1: has an NFL field that nobody's talking about. It used

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Speaker 1: to be Ohio State and Michigan play. Oh, it's burr,

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Speaker 1: it's cold. Then you go play somewhere in Orlando. You

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Speaker 1: go to a nice, sunny location. The College Football Playoff

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Speaker 1: is very NFL. You're going to play in crappy weather.

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Speaker 1: That wasn't the case. So the best teams are now.

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Speaker 1: Then I'm going to go to the Rose Bowl. You know,

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Speaker 1: got to go to Orlando all the time. And so

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Speaker 1: I watched Notre Dame this weekend and I want, oh,

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Speaker 1: Notre Dame is built for December. Notre Dame, it's not.

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Speaker 1: They don't need Dante more slinging it fifty times. I

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Speaker 1: watched Notre Dame and I thought every year we watched

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Speaker 1: this in the NFL. Joe Joel, there's two football seasons

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Speaker 1: pre Thanksgiving and post we want to College football now

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Speaker 1: is going to have a little bit of that feel.

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Speaker 1: And I watched Notre Dame Saturday, and I'm like, I

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Speaker 1: would want no part of Notre Dame if they get

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Speaker 1: to the playoff? Am I crazy? No, You're not crazy.

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Speaker 9: In fact, I based an entire episode of my podcast

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Speaker 9: around this exact topic.

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Speaker 1: You can actually go out. It's out today.

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Speaker 9: You shun go over the Joel clad Show on YouTube

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Speaker 9: and subscribe and check it out, and it's basically this.

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Speaker 9: I went and with Chris bar Felika, so I brought

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Speaker 9: Bear on. He did a national championship draft, Colin. To

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Speaker 9: your point, he proposed on a conference call, like, hey,

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Speaker 9: how far would you get down the list if you're

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Speaker 9: just drafting teams all or nothing to win the national championship?

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Speaker 9: How far would you get before you drafted Notre Dame?

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Speaker 9: And we all thought to ourselves, like, man, easily in

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Speaker 9: the top six, you know, And I know they're not

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Speaker 9: ranked right now up there in the top six because

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Speaker 9: of the two losses, But those two losses look a

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Speaker 9: lot different. They look like a different team with a

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Speaker 9: quarterback that's maturing. Even though he played his worst game

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Speaker 9: against USC, I don't want to see that run game

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Speaker 9: with Jeremiah Love and Geneerian Price. Those guys can absolutely

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Speaker 9: handle the rock. So to your point, I think that

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Speaker 9: if I'm looking at the sport right now, I said

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Speaker 9: earlier in the year, there was ten teams that could

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Speaker 9: win the national championship. At one point I thought twelve.

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Speaker 9: Now as I'm starting to really see this and evaluate it,

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Speaker 9: I know the playoff is going to be twelve, but

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Speaker 9: there are six teams that I'm like, you know what,

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Speaker 9: any given week, any given run through the playoff, these

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Speaker 9: six can win it all. And Notre Dame is one

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Speaker 9: of those. And I think you're spot on. They do

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Speaker 9: the foundationally things correct. When the line of scrimmage, run

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Speaker 9: the football. They can play good defense. They did it

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Speaker 9: against USC last week. And another thing that I would

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Speaker 9: just say is that this sport still is dominated by defense,

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Speaker 9: as much as we watch in awe of great offensive play.

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Speaker 9: The last four national champions Georgia had the number one

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Speaker 9: defense in college football. Georgia had the number four defense

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Speaker 9: in college football, Michigan number one defense in college football,

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Speaker 9: Ohio State number one defense in college football, you still

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Speaker 9: have to play great on defense if you're going to

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Speaker 9: go out there and win it all.

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Speaker 1: Hey, I want to ask you because you do work

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Speaker 1: for the draft. And so when college football and pro

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Speaker 1: football converge, and I think more than ever, I think

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Speaker 1: the playoff feels very NFL. The nil they're being paid,

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Speaker 1: the transfer portals even a whackier free agency than the NFL.

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Speaker 1: But college football today, in the last three years, feels

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Speaker 1: much more Sunday than Saturday. And I still love it.

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Speaker 1: But when I watched Jackson Dart with Kiffen So, I

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Speaker 1: always felt he's got a much better college coach than

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Speaker 1: ninety percent of the sport. I liked him, but he

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Speaker 1: was all over the map. It is weird to me.

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Speaker 1: I like him way more in pro football that I

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Speaker 1: liked him in college football. And I liked him in college.

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Speaker 1: But did you when you watch Jackson Dart, did you

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Speaker 1: think he was going to look like this goodness quickly

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Speaker 1: in the pro without a great team, without a great

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Speaker 1: old line.

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Speaker 2: No.

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Speaker 9: I mean if and by the way, if anybody says

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Speaker 9: that they saw this, they're they're lying because he would

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Speaker 9: have gotten selected a lot higher than he did. You know,

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Speaker 9: like that I like, that's an honest opinion, and I

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Speaker 9: did not see this coming from Jackson Dart. I love

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Speaker 9: that that New York And remember Mike Shanahan did this

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Speaker 9: for RG three early in his career at Washington, but

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Speaker 9: he wanted to put his player in position to succeed.

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Speaker 9: So what New York is doing offensively is tailored towards

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Speaker 9: the skill set of Jackson Dart, and that's really smart

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Speaker 9: from Brian Dable.

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Speaker 1: Smart.

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Speaker 5: Now.

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Speaker 9: I know that they just totally bombed out in the

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Speaker 9: fourth quarter against Denver, which was wild. Denver scores thirty

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Speaker 9: three in the fourth quarter in order to win that game.

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Speaker 9: But Dart and his skill set and the way that

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Speaker 9: they're using him, it's effective. And even though Sean Payton's

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Speaker 9: comments got then you know, pointed to Russ and we're

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Speaker 9: talking about everything else, what he initially said is absolutely correct,

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Speaker 9: and I think you and I would both agree like

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Speaker 9: they have a different juice with Jackson Dart at quarterback, no.

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Speaker 1: Question, yeah, no question. So they're not going to make

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Speaker 1: the playoff. And I got into this discussion the other day.

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Speaker 1: I am often called a USC homer. I resent it,

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Speaker 1: but I live with it. Everyone I'm wondering if you're

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Speaker 1: going to go USC this week. Okay, so I just listen.

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Speaker 1: In the NFL, we've seen great play callers like Lane

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Speaker 1: Kevin and Mike McDaniel coach in the NFL. It's but

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Speaker 1: Lane was super young and McDaniel isn't really your classic alpha.

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Speaker 1: What we know in the NFL is Harbaugh is not

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Speaker 1: a great scheme guy, Dan Campbell, Vrabel Tomlin is that

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Speaker 1: in the NFL, you're hiring these are all millionaires in

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Speaker 1: the locker room. You're hiring an alpha, a CEO. You'll

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Speaker 1: then you will give this schematic excellence. And there are

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Speaker 1: exceptions like Kyle Shanahan or Andy Reid to your coordinators,

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Speaker 1: but you are basically they called in the NFL a

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Speaker 1: walk around coach. Jimmy Johnson's a walk around coach. He

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Speaker 1: walks from unit to unit to unit, inspiring judging parcels.

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Speaker 1: A walk around coach. So you know, I I look

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Speaker 1: at USC in college, it's a little different. You got

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Speaker 1: to be a walk around coach. But a lot of

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Speaker 1: these guys they don't want to call plays because they're

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Speaker 1: really good at it and much better than the average

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Speaker 1: college coach. Interesting with this, and so My take is

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Speaker 1: I think Lincoln Ryle as a play designer and caller

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Speaker 1: is a plus. How many years do I have to

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Speaker 1: watch USC get pushed around on every road game before?

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Speaker 1: I don't have this opinion. He's not a culture builder.

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Speaker 1: He is a great, great intellect. But I'm watching them

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Speaker 1: get pushed around by Illinois and last year Maryland, and

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Speaker 1: last year Michigan and this year Notre Dame.

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Speaker 9: It's four years in. This is what they are as

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Speaker 9: a program. I do think it's getting better. I mean

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Speaker 9: we sat here and talked about how much better it

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Speaker 9: was getting against Michigan. I think Notre Dame is just

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Speaker 9: elite running the football. That's where Illinois exposed to USC.

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Speaker 9: But they are going to be better on the defensive

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Speaker 9: line next year than they have been this year. Jakim Stewart, right.

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Speaker 1: Is his name?

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Speaker 9: The young kid like he's He's a phenomenal player on

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Speaker 9: the interior. I'm going to take it a different way.

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Speaker 1: I think that.

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Speaker 9: In college football. See I disagree with you at the premise.

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Speaker 9: I think in the NFL, scheme guys are rewarded and

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Speaker 9: walk around coaches aren't like scheme guys win Andy Reid,

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Speaker 9: Kyle Shanahan.

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Speaker 1: Those guys win.

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Speaker 9: I think what Stichen is doing right now right Stikeen

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Speaker 9: in Indianapolis.

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Speaker 1: It's very creative, it's great. It's great style.

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Speaker 9: Like scheme guys win in the NFL, what you don't

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Speaker 9: see in college is scheme guys, and specifically play callers

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Speaker 9: win at the top level. In fact, we haven't seen

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Speaker 9: a play caller win a national championship since I think

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Speaker 9: it was Jimbo Fisher and before that it was like

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Speaker 9: Tom Osborne back in the nineties. Like guys that are

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Speaker 9: CEOs win in college football because the walkaround style is

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Speaker 9: much more prevalent and needed. This is why Ryan Day

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Speaker 9: gave up his play calling duties. That's his superpower, it's

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Speaker 9: his cape on his back. So he gave him up

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Speaker 9: last year. Are we saying that that basically? So, what

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Speaker 9: you're basically saying is it's a walk around sport. Lincoln's

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Speaker 9: not that great walk around coach.

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Speaker 1: I don't think so.

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Speaker 9: I think the play callers, the Kiffins and the Sarks

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Speaker 9: and the Lincoln Rileyes of the world, they need to

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Speaker 9: look at a guy like Ryan Day and think to themselves,

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Speaker 9: you know what made them have the ability to win?

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Speaker 1: The national championship. I'll just say this.

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Speaker 9: If Ryan Day called the plays last year and was

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Speaker 9: the coordinator to facto for Ohio State, I don't think

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Speaker 9: that they win the national championship. But it's not because

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Speaker 9: of his play calling. It's because he wouldn't have been

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Speaker 9: available to the defense after they got beat by Oregon

643
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Speaker 9: to go in and fix broken structures.

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Speaker 1: I think that's a man.

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Speaker 9: He would talk about that openly and it was the

646
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Speaker 9: reason why he decided to give up play calling duties. Now,

647
00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:41,680
Speaker 9: you also have to be a GM. You also have

648
00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:43,239
Speaker 9: to raise a bunch of money and do all of

649
00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:46,920
Speaker 9: these things outside. And the level of time and commitment

650
00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:49,120
Speaker 9: it takes to not only formulate a game plan but

651
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Speaker 9: then become the play caller and study to be the

652
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Speaker 9: play caller, I don't know if you can be a

653
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Speaker 9: national champion and call the place in college football. Brent

654
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Speaker 9: Viittibles is trying to that on the defensive side right now.

655
00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:03,760
Speaker 9: Mike Elko is trying to do that on the defensive

656
00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:06,000
Speaker 9: side right now, and I think it's too tough.

657
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Speaker 1: I look at your top ten. You have Ohio State, Indiana, Alabama.

658
00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:14,879
Speaker 1: I agree with that, Oregon A and m Georgia, Georgia Tech.

659
00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:18,239
Speaker 1: How about Georgia Tech, Miami, Notre Dame Vandy. I'd have

660
00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:20,480
Speaker 1: Notre Dame a little higher, but I don't. I don't disagree.

661
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Speaker 1: I gotta tell you something I am. I am rooting

662
00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:28,359
Speaker 1: for Kaylin de Boor, and the reason I'm doing it

663
00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:32,640
Speaker 1: is replacing a legend is really hard, and people forget

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Speaker 1: people go to Alabama. Nick Saban saw this coming. He

665
00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:40,239
Speaker 1: knew that he couldn't match up with George's nil or Texas.

666
00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:43,799
Speaker 1: He knew it, and Nick said, I'm gonna quietly move

667
00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:47,640
Speaker 1: to television. And he was smart. He saw it, and

668
00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:51,160
Speaker 1: Calin de Boor inherited a less talented roster. They do

669
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Speaker 1: not have a elite nil I think you're over selling this.

670
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Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't think they have the money that.

671
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Speaker 1: I mean, USC's been an eighteen large I don't think

672
00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:04,040
Speaker 1: Alabama's got that, do they?

673
00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:06,040
Speaker 9: Well, they have it through revenue share. You know, the

674
00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:08,640
Speaker 9: SEC has given them a large check. And then if listen,

675
00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:11,400
Speaker 9: if you want to take Nick Saban at face value,

676
00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:14,759
Speaker 9: what he didn't like is that the day after they

677
00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:17,880
Speaker 9: lose to Michigan and the Rose Bowl, you know, players

678
00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:20,120
Speaker 9: are asking how much are you going to pay me?

679
00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:22,560
Speaker 9: And how much am I going to play? And he

680
00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:25,400
Speaker 9: didn't like those conversations as I don't know if it

681
00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:27,720
Speaker 9: was a resource battle where like all of a sudden

682
00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:29,719
Speaker 9: he was scared or this or that. I don't think

683
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Speaker 9: he liked the nature of what the head coach was

684
00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:34,720
Speaker 9: going to have to do. Like, for instance, at Ohio

685
00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:37,520
Speaker 9: State last year, they win the national championship. The next morning,

686
00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:41,280
Speaker 9: in fifteen minute increments, they started meeting with every player

687
00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:44,120
Speaker 9: and their manager to talk about nil. I mean, that's

688
00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:46,680
Speaker 9: that's not fun and I don't think Nick Saban wanted

689
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Speaker 9: to do that.

690
00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:47,480
Speaker 1: Now.

691
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Speaker 9: I don't want to speculate on his account, but I

692
00:36:50,239 --> 00:36:53,960
Speaker 9: would just say this, I think Kaylin Debor is one

693
00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:56,600
Speaker 9: of the better coaches in the entire sport. His record

694
00:36:56,640 --> 00:37:00,560
Speaker 9: proves that, yeh, wherever he's been great. And he's got

695
00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:03,960
Speaker 9: a quarterback right now in Ty Simpson that I think

696
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:05,880
Speaker 9: has a really good chance to be the number one

697
00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:08,839
Speaker 9: overall pick. And when you got that, like you got

698
00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:10,920
Speaker 9: a chance. I don't think their defense is great. I

699
00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:13,640
Speaker 9: don't think they run the ball, you know great, But

700
00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:17,800
Speaker 9: man like this is a great quarterback, A proud tradition,

701
00:37:18,200 --> 00:37:20,239
Speaker 9: a good roster, and I think they're going to be

702
00:37:20,239 --> 00:37:22,600
Speaker 9: really tough to beat. I think they would right now,

703
00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:24,319
Speaker 9: which is the reason I put him at number three.

704
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Speaker 9: Are my favorite in the SEC?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I think so too. They don't look as

706
00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:33,879
Speaker 1: ferocious defensively, they don't look as powerful or quite as

707
00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:36,799
Speaker 1: big defensively as the Saban years. But they don't have

708
00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:40,600
Speaker 1: you know, it's a whole different world now backups transfer.

709
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Speaker 9: So yeah, don't be surprised if Simpson's your number one pick, though,

710
00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:47,680
Speaker 9: I mean it'll be him and Fernando Mendoza will be

711
00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:49,399
Speaker 9: looked at as that number one pick.

712
00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:53,880
Speaker 1: All right, Listen, I'm gonna ask you sc questions. I

713
00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:56,800
Speaker 1: know they're uncomfortable for you. I'm a journalist. They're always

714
00:37:56,920 --> 00:38:00,880
Speaker 1: very comfortable questions for me. It's just listen, for four years,

715
00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:02,799
Speaker 1: you are what you are.

716
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Speaker 9: Don't you think you're Don't you think you're seeing a

717
00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:08,360
Speaker 9: trajectory that is different than what has been before.

718
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Speaker 1: Let's see, they go on the road. They can't beat Illinois,

719
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Speaker 1: they can't beat Notre Dame. What's different? Uniforms, the same results,

720
00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:19,480
Speaker 1: the same road. I mean, it's the same day on

721
00:38:19,560 --> 00:38:22,799
Speaker 1: the road, uniforms look the same. The offense is clever

722
00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:26,520
Speaker 1: and smart, that's the same. They get pushed around the same.

723
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Speaker 9: I think USC makes the playoff in the in the

724
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Speaker 9: next twenty four months.

725
00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:36,760
Speaker 1: Oh oh, standards kind of dropped, hasn't it by year six?

726
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Speaker 1: I mean, I mean we're lading, we're not the we're

727
00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:42,919
Speaker 1: not March madness, but we could be up to eighteen teams.

728
00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:45,480
Speaker 1: They're pretty quick. Ope, in the next twenty four months.

729
00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:48,759
Speaker 9: All right, Cloud, it's good see anybody you as well

730
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Speaker 9: have a good day, dude.

731
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Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe you know. First of all, I don't want

732
00:38:52,719 --> 00:38:56,120
Speaker 1: ping pong tables at work, and I got higher standards

733
00:38:56,120 --> 00:38:58,320
Speaker 1: than you get the USC job. In year six you

734
00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:01,279
Speaker 1: get into the playoffs. Oh you're crazy. Talk over here.

735
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Speaker 1: My rule is, if you're at work playing ping pong,

736
00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:09,080
Speaker 1: you're a ding dong. You're not going to management. I

737
00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:11,040
Speaker 1: mean you can go ahead, hit it back and forth

738
00:39:11,080 --> 00:39:14,920
Speaker 1: and have your dog at work. All right, somebody's got

739
00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:16,560
Speaker 1: to do the heavy lifting here. I guess it's me.