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Speaker 1: happened last night, Suns close out the Clippers, and we'll

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Speaker 1: iHeartRadio folks who distribute this show. When the Sun's acquired

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Speaker 1: Chris Paul this offseason, the expectation skyrocketed. And this is

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Speaker 1: a team that hadn't been in the playoffs since twenty ten,

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Speaker 1: and they were in the bubble. And this team without

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Speaker 1: Chris Paul went eight no and we thought, okay, you

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Speaker 1: got this sort of genesis there, the embryonic stages of

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Speaker 1: get Chris Paul. Chris Paul doesn't play cute. Chris Paul's

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Speaker 1: there to win and I don't know if the goal

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Speaker 1: was to reach the NBA Finals this year at least

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Speaker 1: a realistic goal, But here they are. After beating the

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Speaker 1: Clippers last night, Phoenix advances to its first finals since

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Speaker 1: nineteen ninety three, the Charles Barkley Phoenix Sons. And it

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Speaker 1: seemed like the shorthanded Clippers wouldn't go away, but Chris

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Speaker 1: them to come back. He scored thirty one of his

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Speaker 1: After sixteen years, Chris Paul reaches the finals for the

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Speaker 1: first time, and now that they've gone this far, you

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Speaker 1: have to thank You're planning on winning a championship and

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Speaker 1: Chris Paul needed this. If you take Chris Paul out

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Speaker 1: of the picture, the Sons, you're a young team, but

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Speaker 1: DeAndre Ayton, they have a head coach Montiams Presston, all

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Speaker 1: the right buttons and now the Phoenix Suns wait for

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Speaker 1: either the Milwaukee Bucks or the Atlanta Hawks for a

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Speaker 1: chance to make history. It was fun to watch last night.

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Speaker 1: The entire series. You weren't quite sure what you were

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Speaker 1: he got into a rhythm, and it's almost as if

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Speaker 1: the Clippers kept waiting for Devin Booker, like that's the

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Speaker 1: Paul hadn't been much of a threat, and then all

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Speaker 1: you realize Chris Paul was starting to take over here.

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Speaker 1: And then it was too late for the Clippers. But

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Speaker 1: and you're doing it with a makeshift lineup. To do

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Speaker 1: That's a credit to a couple of players and certainly

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Speaker 1: the head coach tylu Here is ty Lou, the Clippers

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Speaker 1: head coach. After the loss a lot of and down

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Speaker 1: of course, and we did some was customed this year.

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Speaker 1: Even though we didn't completely we wanted to complete. You know,

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Speaker 1: But you have to look at this as a missed opportunity. Obviously,

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Speaker 1: of Trey Young for tonight's game. Probably a lot better

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Speaker 1: game five. All right, we'll come up with a pull

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Speaker 1: question player the day. Stat of the day the Lightning

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Speaker 1: sons polls. But before we get into that, was this

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Speaker 1: a good postseason for the Los Angeles Clippers? Yes? Yes,

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Speaker 1: because you did it without Kawhi Leonard. I think as

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Speaker 1: Now it you know, now it's the big three. And

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Speaker 1: Let's hardened in here. The Lakers, I think they thought

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Speaker 1: Phoenix Suns have Chris Paul, Devin Booker, and DeAndre Ayton.

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Speaker 1: Now they may not be stars in your world, your galaxy,

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Speaker 1: I think that that's the one thing if I look

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Speaker 1: I like what I saw with Paul George. I don't

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Speaker 1: like him being so sensitive, like just play you play hard,

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Speaker 1: the negative narrative, the narrative not being the postseason player

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Speaker 1: is what it is. I came up short again, proud

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Speaker 1: there proof not to nobody. All right, I apologize. This

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Speaker 1: just hasn't. I don't know what you're doing, but that's horrible.

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Speaker 1: It's not like there's those big industrial fans near the mics.

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Speaker 1: It's embarrassing, Like, clean that up. Charles Barkley, NBA on

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Speaker 1: TNT analyst did comment on Paul George's comments. Everybody's gotten criticized,

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Speaker 1: this false Narrator't hear an these jackasses on television talking

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Speaker 1: always said that about me. Paul Jarles is a terrific player,

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Speaker 1: expect Paul George to be great. There's certain times, like

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Speaker 1: Chris Paul, I expect him to be great. Last night

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Speaker 1: he was greater than great. That's when you compliment somebody,

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Speaker 1: And you know what stops everything winning? Yes, Paul, anyone

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Speaker 1: giving any blowback to Clayton Kershaw anymore. Clayon Kershaw has

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Speaker 1: and this is you know, we've seen players late in

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Speaker 1: Chris Paul, Now we move on. You know, he's really

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Speaker 1: all of that, and he did it in wonderful fashion

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Speaker 1: last night. It's like when you repaid a house, you

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Speaker 1: don't you don't remember what it looked like. You're like, man,

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Speaker 1: that fresh coat of paint. That is man, that house

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Speaker 1: looks awesome. Clayton Kershaw got a fresh coat of paint.

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Speaker 1: Stop complaining, and nobody wants to hear it. But I

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Speaker 1: of what they did because they were under manned and

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Speaker 1: they held on and they made the Phoenix Suns work

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Speaker 1: for it. Theah mcclub. Can I make Clippers fans mad?

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Speaker 1: All seven of them? Sure care? Paul, Let's be realistic here.

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Speaker 1: It's July first. Kawhi is going to have to have

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Speaker 1: So the way the NBA is, the next season starts

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Speaker 1: out on the fast break more things like that. So

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Speaker 1: I really think they need to address just an athletic

425
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Speaker 1: big you got six nine, six ten. Maybe he's a center,

426
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Speaker 1: maybe he's not, but just someone that could keep up

427
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Speaker 1: with the pace of play that they have Hall of

428
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Speaker 1: Fame or Chris Webber joining us on the show. You

429
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Speaker 1: ever had an extended, hyper extended knee like what Janice

430
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Speaker 1: is trying to play through. Yes, yes, it was scary

431
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Speaker 1: because you know, it goes against all sense of balance

432
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Speaker 1: when when that happens, and you tend to think it's

433
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Speaker 1: it's more serious than it is. But I don't see

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Speaker 1: if he plays the next game. I'd be surprised if

435
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Speaker 1: you played in the next two. I just things like that.

436
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Speaker 1: It takes a little bit of a little bit of time,

437
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Speaker 1: not only to heal, but to the trust. May be

438
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Speaker 1: scary as far. Yeah, just when you come down and

439
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Speaker 1: you just see the leg like what could have been.

440
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Speaker 1: I mean that could been, you know, career threatening man

441
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Speaker 1: if he you know, it doesn't seem like he didn't

442
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Speaker 1: have that bottom. So it was I mean, those one

443
00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:10,679
Speaker 1: of those things where I didn't want to watch the replay,

444
00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:13,080
Speaker 1: just turning to sound open and checked out what was

445
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Speaker 1: going on. Yet I was scared. I was listening to

446
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Speaker 1: Jamal Mashburn on a podcast the other day and he

447
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Speaker 1: was talking about when the college players were practicing against

448
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Speaker 1: the Dream Team, and have you heard this story that

449
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Speaker 1: he was telling. No, okay, so you guys saw well,

450
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Speaker 1: he said, we were part of a group, Grant Hill

451
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Speaker 1: and some other guys, Rodney Rodgers. We saw Larry Bird

452
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Speaker 1: in the hotel and then he said, get some sleep,

453
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Speaker 1: young fellas. And then you guys went and scrimmaged against them.

454
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Speaker 1: And Rodney Rodgers is talking smack to Larry Bird. Larry's

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Speaker 1: on the sidelines, just watching, and Rodney Rodgers all of

456
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Speaker 1: a sudden tugs on Superman's cape. What happened after that? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Rodney rodn he's one of the best h jukes that

458
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Speaker 1: you'll meet. And so again we were all there playing

459
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Speaker 1: against our favorite player. You know, you got to realize

460
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Speaker 1: that Stockton and Bobby Hurley at Grant Hill and Jordan

461
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Speaker 1: was all of our favorite players individually, and you know,

462
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Speaker 1: but they used to hide us in these gyms, were

463
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Speaker 1: working out and didn't really know what was going on.

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Speaker 1: Get to scrimmage these guys, what I mean, you've really

465
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Speaker 1: really beat them? And uh, the next day or we're

466
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Speaker 1: in the hotel or something, you know, because they were

467
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Speaker 1: really kind to us. They took us out to eat.

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Speaker 1: You know, we got to getting the get in the

469
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Speaker 1: room and golf and stare out and he goes Rode Rodgers.

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Speaker 1: He's talking the stuff that we were talking to in

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Speaker 1: our other room, you know, our other room were talking

472
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Speaker 1: jokes like yeah, Magic didn't know what to do. And

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Speaker 1: he goes to Bird right in his face. He said

474
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Speaker 1: something like, yeah, jump Shop sent the eighties or eight

475
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Speaker 1: one of the years they probably won a championship. And

476
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Speaker 1: the next day and there you go. And the next

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Speaker 1: day in practice, first we didn't score a bucket. We

478
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Speaker 1: didn't score a bucket. That's when I really move was

479
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Speaker 1: a difference in the m in college because the drills

480
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Speaker 1: of denying. I remember Jordan pulling up the shorts and denying,

481
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Speaker 1: and you literally couldn't touch the ball. So Bird I

482
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Speaker 1: remember one time, coming to the corner he pump fakes

483
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Speaker 1: and Ronnie Rogers goes by. He says, welcome to the

484
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Speaker 1: Parachute Club three in his face, and you know, after

485
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Speaker 1: I don't know if it was magic or someone said

486
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Speaker 1: something something like, uh, you know, they kind of reminds

487
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Speaker 1: you of eighty four a little bit done it. And

488
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Speaker 1: so that was the best part about playing against them

489
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Speaker 1: is that they treated us like their equals by talking

490
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Speaker 1: trash to us, because that's what that was a kid's

491
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Speaker 1: dream come true. But no one told Roden to start.

492
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Speaker 1: We weren't trying to start award at that time. I

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Speaker 1: love it. Who was the nicest guy on the Dream

494
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Speaker 1: team to you guys truthfully at the time. I remember

495
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Speaker 1: Scottie Pittman took us to a dinner, but I remember

496
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Speaker 1: Patrick Ewing and Larry Bird always being together, and whenever

497
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Speaker 1: they were together they would crack on us. It was

498
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Speaker 1: it was like we were there just you know, just

499
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Speaker 1: their crash test dumbs for choking. So those two, those

500
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Speaker 1: two were cool. Pip took us to dinner, but man,

501
00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:08,800
Speaker 1: they all, they all they prought us to the side,

502
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Speaker 1: you know, telling us things to work on like that.

503
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Speaker 1: Definitely was one of the best basketball experience side of that.

504
00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:19,240
Speaker 1: I when people talked about how Bird and Patrick Ewing

505
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Speaker 1: developed this great relationship, like you never would have thought that,

506
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Speaker 1: but you know, Patrick talks about it. He said, you know,

507
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Speaker 1: we just got along. I don't you know, it was

508
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Speaker 1: just we connected with each other. That That's not the

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Speaker 1: pair that I would have put together with that team.

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Speaker 1: Today they have reality show like Boban and uh and

511
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Speaker 1: my god there h in Philly to buys here. So yeah,

512
00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:45,520
Speaker 1: they were kind of odd couple. But I didn't, you know,

513
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Speaker 1: because at the time we were just Fansom So it's

514
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Speaker 1: like w w F only at the time resting you

515
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Speaker 1: only go fantis. And I thought Patrick Hue was this

516
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Speaker 1: mean guy that sweating all the time. I thought Larry

517
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Speaker 1: Birds just you know, country and wouldn't talk to you.

518
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Speaker 1: And you know you find out man nay two of

519
00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:06,720
Speaker 1: the coolest guys out If the Fab five had this

520
00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:09,760
Speaker 1: name in image and likeness, like what, how different do

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Speaker 1: you think it would have been after your freshman year

522
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Speaker 1: at Michigan. Well, I think even during our freshman year

523
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Speaker 1: at Michigan, it would have been you know, incredible. Um,

524
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Speaker 1: it's crazy because then I think yesterday someone told me

525
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Speaker 1: that it was the twenty and the Anniversity and drafted

526
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Speaker 1: at the same time Supreme Court room, and said, hey,

527
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Speaker 1: it's just it's it's really interesting because I always think

528
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Speaker 1: about Johnny Man as ever, I'll tell you why. I like, uh,

529
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Speaker 1: what if he never played football again? Right, if he

530
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Speaker 1: you know it went to Cannady. We know he did

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Speaker 1: all this other stuff, and we know he was famous

532
00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:46,200
Speaker 1: for money and all that. Let's just take any personal

533
00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:49,880
Speaker 1: thought of more round, right, whether he got in his

534
00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:53,480
Speaker 1: place on his own or whatever. He'll never be able

535
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Speaker 1: to duplicate that again. And I think what people don't

536
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Speaker 1: realize is it was always it was always a dumb

537
00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:05,320
Speaker 1: quagmire because it had nothing to do with the NCAA.

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Speaker 1: You know how many local car dealerships would get more

539
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Speaker 1: money by paying the walk on to come sit side

540
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Speaker 1: autographs at that car dealership. One person's going to buy

541
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Speaker 1: a car, I mean, siry. So you know, you just

542
00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:20,120
Speaker 1: cast those numbers of a guy's value, and I just

543
00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:22,400
Speaker 1: think that, you know, that's the peak of your value.

544
00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:26,720
Speaker 1: It's the peak. And so to me, you know, when

545
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Speaker 1: I look at it, I think, you know, if our

546
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Speaker 1: jersey sold well, if it was the highest time of

547
00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:35,440
Speaker 1: highest admissions at the schools, if we could sell black

548
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Speaker 1: socks and harachis, and I'm pretty sure we would have

549
00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:40,760
Speaker 1: done well on our own selling T shirts at ten

550
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Speaker 1: dollars a pot before the game. As you think about

551
00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:44,720
Speaker 1: all the fake T shirts of us that went on

552
00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:46,200
Speaker 1: before the game, what if we could have just sold

553
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Speaker 1: those of ourselves and you know what I mean. So

554
00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:51,760
Speaker 1: I just think it really it's the American way to people,

555
00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:54,600
Speaker 1: the USU and your likeness. Though to me, it's just

556
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Speaker 1: common sense, and I think we would have We would

557
00:29:56,800 --> 00:29:58,960
Speaker 1: have done pretty well. Would you have stayed an extra

558
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Speaker 1: year if you could have gotten paid as as much

559
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Speaker 1: as an NBA rookie, That's a great question. So let's

560
00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:12,400
Speaker 1: times were very different. So I was twenty and I

561
00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:16,800
Speaker 1: think at the time, no player had come out as

562
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Speaker 1: a sophomore since Magic Johnson was the seventy nine and

563
00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:23,120
Speaker 1: mine's like eighteen years later, So big difference. But yeah,

564
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Speaker 1: I mean I called the time we lost the championship,

565
00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:29,040
Speaker 1: I wanted to stay there anyway and try to ruin

566
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Speaker 1: the championship. You know, you're you're your kid, you're young

567
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Speaker 1: figure that you're gonna live forever, and so for me

568
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Speaker 1: in my situation, most definitely, I was thirty minutes from

569
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Speaker 1: my mother's could came my family. I'm the oldest of five. Yes,

570
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Speaker 1: I would have and waited to take that leap. Shack

571
00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:47,680
Speaker 1: left the year before as a junior, so it made

572
00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:51,040
Speaker 1: sense to me. So yeah, definitely, I think, you know,

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Speaker 1: I definitely would have a lot to think about. It

574
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Speaker 1: wouldn't have had any introduced and you benefited, Jalen Rose benefited,

575
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Speaker 1: You want Howard benefited. But you know, Ray Jackson and

576
00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:04,720
Speaker 1: Jimmy King, they didn't have pro careers and they could

577
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Speaker 1: have gotten paid as members of the Fab five. And

578
00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:11,960
Speaker 1: the way the Fab five we're first of all, you're Rider.

579
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Speaker 1: Shout out to Ray and Jimmy. They're smart. They could

580
00:31:14,520 --> 00:31:16,800
Speaker 1: have done it. And we had Rosmal reaching things together,

581
00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:20,080
Speaker 1: so we would have been more empowered because everybody's average

582
00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:22,040
Speaker 1: with him up because you gotta pay Ran and the same.

583
00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:25,640
Speaker 1: So that's that's definitely how we were. But I want

584
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Speaker 1: you to think about a guy on our team like

585
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Speaker 1: Eric Riding. He was a big ten shot blocking leader

586
00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:33,240
Speaker 1: before we got there, came there with us. He was

587
00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:36,040
Speaker 1: on a ride to always power to his card. He's no,

588
00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:38,000
Speaker 1: we would have got him things saying no, if you're

589
00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:40,040
Speaker 1: gonna use me, you know, could you use him next week?

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00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:42,600
Speaker 1: We would empowered everybody to walk on. That's what I'm saying.

591
00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:45,640
Speaker 1: The way we were team first, the whole team would

592
00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:47,720
Speaker 1: have been in there and maybe you'll take less or whatever.

593
00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:50,720
Speaker 1: So no, this empowers everyone. If I'm the best offensive

594
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Speaker 1: lineman and I'm going number one, I guarantee you all

595
00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:55,360
Speaker 1: linemen could go sign with me up here because now

596
00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:58,480
Speaker 1: I can build my power for the team, for the guys.

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00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:01,800
Speaker 1: You know. So I think it's awesome. I think it's

598
00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:04,680
Speaker 1: stupid to celebrate because it's what it should be. You

599
00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:06,960
Speaker 1: should use your own name. But at the same time,

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Speaker 1: I think it's awesome for these young kids and these

601
00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:12,840
Speaker 1: individuals to be able to use their name to big

602
00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:16,320
Speaker 1: a focus on. You know, it's so much pressure as

603
00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:19,720
Speaker 1: a student athlete. You still have to come through with

604
00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:22,440
Speaker 1: the grades. Depending on what program you go to. You

605
00:32:22,520 --> 00:32:24,800
Speaker 1: work just as hard as other students that at the

606
00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:27,040
Speaker 1: same time, you know, it's cool to be a kid

607
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Speaker 1: Darrel campus depending on peace and everything. But you know,

608
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Speaker 1: it's a different world. Some of these athletes have children,

609
00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:35,600
Speaker 1: some of them have families that need them. It's great

610
00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:37,520
Speaker 1: to go and send that back to us. So I

611
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Speaker 1: look forward to seeing how Supreme Court they're ruling the

612
00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:44,840
Speaker 1: NCAA having to accept it. I look forward to seeing

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Speaker 1: how it benefits the lives and non student athletes. Oh,

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Speaker 1: it's great to check in with you, Chris. Thanks for

615
00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:53,960
Speaker 1: joining us as always, thanks for having me up. That's

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Speaker 1: Chris webber See web member of the twenty twenty one

617
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Speaker 1: Basketball Hall of Fame class and former NBA analyst on

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Speaker 1: TNT and the Fab Five at Michigan. I mean, he's

619
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Speaker 1: right when you think about Johnny Manziel And I tried

620
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Speaker 1: to tell Johnny at the time that you may not

621
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Speaker 1: have a professional career, like enjoy this moment, don't throw

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00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:19,400
Speaker 1: this moment away, and you know you're trying to talk

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Speaker 1: to somebody, and PAULI went through one of his friends

624
00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:25,840
Speaker 1: and I said, look, I was trying to get him

625
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Speaker 1: to talk to Ryan Leaf, who had gone through a

626
00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:32,000
Speaker 1: lot of different things in his career. Just because I've

627
00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:35,360
Speaker 1: been around and I've seen this, and you know, Johnny's

628
00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:37,680
Speaker 1: just the next guy and then there'll be another guy

629
00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:41,240
Speaker 1: and then another guy. But you saw something there. He

630
00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:44,520
Speaker 1: had a couple of magical years, but I don't think

631
00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:47,000
Speaker 1: he understood. And then he got to the Cleveland Browns

632
00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:49,800
Speaker 1: and he basically acted the way he did in college,

633
00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:52,520
Speaker 1: but he wasn't as good as he was in college,

634
00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:55,760
Speaker 1: and then people didn't tolerate him like they did in college.

635
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Speaker 1: And you know, I always said that he is going

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Speaker 1: and that's exactly what happened with him. But if he

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Speaker 1: would have been able to cash in during that magical run,

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Speaker 1: you know, he would have made a couple of million dollars.

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Speaker 1: Now he might have spent it, but he would have

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Speaker 1: been able to capitalize on that on his name, image

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Speaker 1: and likeness. I think if you sell a player's jersey,

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Speaker 1: that player deserves a cut of those proceeds. I really

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Speaker 1: believe that if you're selling an individual, then I think

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Speaker 1: that they should benefit there. I don't know how much

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Speaker 1: we're going to talk to Darren Rivell, who's been on

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Speaker 1: this story. You got guys who today are announcing deals.

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Speaker 1: You have college players who are announcing that they have deals.

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Speaker 1: They have deals with companies, they have deals with local

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Speaker 1: you know, brand logos. This is just starting it was

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Speaker 1: going to start on July first. It is happening. Now.

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Speaker 1: You have athletic departments who have to they have to

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Speaker 1: you know, you got to file taxes with this like

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Speaker 1: the NCAA has changed overnight and this is going to continue.

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Speaker 1: It's going to snowball. But next hour we'll talk to

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Speaker 1: Darren Ravelle about this. But I did think about that

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Speaker 1: what's on your mind today? Hey, Dan? Well, it's hard

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Speaker 1: to think after last night of an NBA player that

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Speaker 1: has changed their narrative in their stock historically, you know,

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Speaker 1: in one season like Chris Paul has done. I don't

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Speaker 1: know a lot of people that would have said he's

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Speaker 1: worth forty four million next year, you know, even midway

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Speaker 1: through this season. But now I think, no matter what,

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Speaker 1: whether the Sun's win or lose the finals, I think

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Speaker 1: he's going to decline the forty four million, which he

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Speaker 1: has to do in exactly one month from now. He

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Speaker 1: doesn't have a lot of time, so this is going

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Speaker 1: to come soon. I think he's going to decline it

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Speaker 1: and go to La to play with the banana bow

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Speaker 1: buddy Lebron James and the Lakers. It's not a crazy idea,

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Speaker 1: thank you, Paul, But I think he's already said that

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Speaker 1: he's going to turn down the forty two million dollar extension,

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Speaker 1: and I think there are reports, initial reports that maybe

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Speaker 1: he would look at a three year, one hundred million

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Speaker 1: dollar deal. At age thirty six. This is the biggest

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Speaker 1: game of his career and it came at the most

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Speaker 1: important time. And to be able to do that, to

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Speaker 1: send your team to the NBA Finals and still have

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Speaker 1: more of a script left to be written, I mean,

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Speaker 1: that's pretty impressive. Is that changes a whole lot with

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Speaker 1: Chris Paul. It's like he can't win the big one.

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Speaker 1: He's always injured, not well liked, and then all of

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Speaker 1: a sudden he starts doing these State farm commercials and

723
00:39:11,960 --> 00:39:15,520
Speaker 1: people start to like him a little bit more. But

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Speaker 1: he's bounced around. He was in Houston, Oklahoma City, he

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Speaker 1: was with the Clippers, he was in New Orleans. He's

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Speaker 1: been around, nearly became a Laker. The commissioner turned down

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Speaker 1: that trade from the Pelicans to the Lakers many many

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Speaker 1: years ago. David Stern did that. And then here he

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Speaker 1: is with a game that you want. This is when

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Speaker 1: great players step up, and he certainly was that. Yeah, mclovin,

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Speaker 1: who gives him a better chance to win next year,

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Speaker 1: the Lakers or the Sons, the young talented sons. I

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Speaker 1: think if you win in Phoenix, it would be hard

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Speaker 1: to leave Phoenix unless you say, look, I've done what

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Speaker 1: I set out to do and we won a championship.

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Speaker 1: You know, Kawhi did this. Kai you know, left Toronto,

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Speaker 1: but he wanted to go home. I don't know, and

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Speaker 1: Chris Paul would you know, you could say the same, Look,

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Speaker 1: I want to go home. Although Phoenix to LA is

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Speaker 1: not that far. But I wonder if more likely if

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Speaker 1: you win a championship to be able to leave, or

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Speaker 1: if you don't win a championship that you want to

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Speaker 1: you definitely want to stay. Yeah, point Chris Paul this

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Speaker 1: season was ninety four percent from the free throw line.

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Speaker 1: He led the entire league. Say he was one one

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Speaker 1: that's nuts. Yeah, injuries free throw shooting, Like it's it's

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Speaker 1: crazy to say that's what this could come down to.

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Speaker 1: But I keep preaching it, injury free throw shooting. But

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Speaker 1: a title is a title. I don't care how you

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Speaker 1: get it. And there have been teams that have won championships.

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Speaker 1: You know, Peyton Manning is not apologizing for winning that

752
00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:54,879
Speaker 1: second Super Bowl it didn't help them that much their

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Speaker 1: defense did. Uh. Let's see we were wondering about is

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Speaker 1: if you could pick a college athlete, former college athlete

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Speaker 1: all time and just say that guy who's going to

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Speaker 1: benefit or that woman is going to benefit the most

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Speaker 1: from these name, image and likeness decisions that are forthcoming.

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00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:20,560
Speaker 1: Here you get one athlete in college history that you

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00:41:20,719 --> 00:41:24,239
Speaker 1: think they would have benefited the most by capitalizing in

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Speaker 1: college on name, image and likeness. Toddle'll start with you.

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Speaker 1: Based on his accomplishments and his charisma and everything that

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Speaker 1: goes with him, It's hard to not pick mister Tim Tebow,

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Speaker 1: all right, Tim Tebow, good call mclovin Tebow by five miles,

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Speaker 1: because he's already the best selling sportswriter author of all time.

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Speaker 1: With the evangelical crowd on his side, Tebow would kill it,

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Speaker 1: all right, Seeton O'Connor, Just to change things up a

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Speaker 1: little bit, because I don't disagree with those Christian Latner

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Speaker 1: I think he probably would have done well. I don't

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Speaker 1: know if he would because of his personality. I think

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Speaker 1: because of his status, but I think his personality people

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Speaker 1: probably would have a hard time buying into Christian Layner's

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Speaker 1: selling a product, you know, nationally. I don't know. He's

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Speaker 1: the biggest player on like the biggest team. But people,

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Speaker 1: but people hated Duke. They hate Duke. They hated Duke

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Speaker 1: back then, well I think, but they kind of they

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00:42:28,200 --> 00:42:29,960
Speaker 1: were like a love him or hate him. You know,

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Speaker 1: there were people that absolutely loved that team and loved

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Speaker 1: Christian Layner and Bobby Early, Paulie. I'm gonna go herschel Walker.

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Speaker 1: He walked in famous at Georgia. He won the national

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Speaker 1: title as a freshman. People said he should have won

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Speaker 1: the Heisman as a freshman. He was more of a

782
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Speaker 1: household name at eighteen than Tebow was. Tebow became famous

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Speaker 1: in his second year with Florida and he stayed longer.

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Speaker 1: But herschel Walker and college football is way bigger than

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Speaker 1: college basketball. I think herschel Walker would have made millions

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Speaker 1: off the field in three years at Georgia. Millions. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I would take Tebow because I think Tebow is going

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00:43:01,160 --> 00:43:05,000
Speaker 1: to fit into a lot of categories here and you're

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Speaker 1: He could have made a lot of money there at Florida.

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Speaker 1: We'll talk to Darren Rovell who is covering this the name,

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Speaker 1: image and likeness, and you have players you may not

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Speaker 1: even be aware of. They have deals already in place

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