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Speaker 2: Company trackle tip one man. You're saying that humans need

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Speaker 3: Life bearable, humans need fantasy to be human.

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Speaker 4: You guys are prose best, relentless, refusing to give up.

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Speaker 1: All right, hit that horn bass?

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Speaker 2: What's up? Everybody? Welcome to the Fantasy Flex Podcast.

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Speaker 3: I'm your host, Chris Raybahnd of the Action Network, and

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Speaker 3: this is your NFC North Fantasy Preview episode. Here to

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Speaker 3: break it down with me one of the top Fantasy

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Speaker 3: rancors in the game, the odds maker Sean Kerner, Sean,

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Speaker 3: what's going on?

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Speaker 4: What's up? I am super excited for this one. The

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Speaker 4: NFC North is just absolutely loaded with fancy potential this year,

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Speaker 4: so this might be my favorite division.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I agree. Let's jump right into it.

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Speaker 3: And you know, if you guys don't know, we're going

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Speaker 3: to go through every fantacy relevant player, everyone with an

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Speaker 3: ADP on each team. So without further ado, let's jump

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Speaker 3: into the y ins here. Jared Goff at QB seventeen,

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Speaker 3: I feel like that's too low do.

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Speaker 4: What do you think, Well, I mean last year we

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Speaker 4: were getting him what QB twenty eight, so I yeah,

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Speaker 1: But I agree it's probably still a little too low.

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Speaker 4: I think he is a legit, you know, high end

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Speaker 4: QB two, especially just offensive corner. Ben Johnson staying in

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Speaker 4: Detroit this season is massive. I thought he was just

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Speaker 4: amazing last year. And just having continuity for Jared Goff

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Speaker 4: and this offense is huge.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 4: And Golf conceded a ton of rushing touchdowns to Jamal

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Speaker 1: Even if Jamal were still there.

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Speaker 4: You know, you bank on some positive touchdown rushian for

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Speaker 4: the passing game. So I think Golf could easily throw

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Speaker 4: thirty to thirty five touchdowns this year, so you can

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Speaker 4: actually improve on last year's numbers.

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Speaker 1: In terms of personnel, it seems sort of like a wash.

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Speaker 1: You know. They lost TJ.

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Speaker 4: Howkinson, but they drafted a talented rookie in Sam Laporta.

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Speaker 4: They lost Andres Swift, but they drafted a talented rookie

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Speaker 1: And even though they.

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Speaker 4: Lost Jamis and Williams for the first six games for betting,

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Speaker 4: they didn't really have him last year, so you could

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Speaker 4: argue his talent might be better this year. So I

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Speaker 4: just like getting him at TB sixteen. I think he

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Speaker 4: still provides a high floor obviously, but he has a

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Speaker 4: sneaky ceiling given the sure touchdown upside in this offense.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, almost every metric you could find, he was top seven,

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Speaker 3: top five in QBR, top five and adjusted yards in attempt,

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Speaker 3: top seven in yards in attempt, top to in interception rate, top.

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Speaker 2: Two, and sack rate. And I like his schedule too.

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Speaker 3: He starts the year Casey Seattle Atlanta, only true code

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Speaker 3: weather game Week fourteen, and then he has a bunch

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Speaker 2: And of course, Goff.

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Speaker 3: You know indoors last year two hundred and seventy one

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Speaker 2: To maximize his value.

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Speaker 3: A'man ross Ain't Brown wide receiver nine took a big

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Speaker 2: From his rookie year.

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Speaker 3: It is targets per route went from twenty two percent,

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Speaker 3: His yards per route went from one point seven to

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Speaker 3: him going as a top ten wide out, yeah.

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Speaker 4: He's just about as safe as it gets. Like you mentioned,

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Speaker 4: Also saw a seventy seven percent catch rate, which is

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Speaker 4: So I think wide receiver nine is definitely fair for

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's just so talented.

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Speaker 2: Receiver forty six. I don't think he hits this ADP

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Speaker 4: You No, I don't think he does either, because this

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Speaker 4: We've talked about it. He just didn't do much even

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Speaker 4: don't see why you'd be You have to be treating

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Speaker 4: I'm scratching my head. Why his ADP is in the

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Speaker 1: I just don't get it.

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Speaker 3: So like there's a you know, the fact that he's like, yes,

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Speaker 3: Like you know, what's not out of the realm of

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Speaker 4: I again, they're going to provide the most value early

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Speaker 1: So I'm I'm staying away. Know once Williams returns.

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Speaker 4: These guys for gonna go down the pecking order. I

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Speaker 4: So it's hard to see these guys offering much value

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and don't forget they're always gonna find snaps for

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Speaker 3: I'm sure, Gibbs is gonna be targeted heavily when he's

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Speaker 3: good coordinator, as you mentioned. Because so what are your

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Speaker 3: thoughts on Laport of the second rounder out of Iowa.

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Speaker 1: Oh? I love him and I love him here, love

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Speaker 4: So the Lions took him to be a pass catching

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Speaker 1: It doesn't matter, I don't think exactly.

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Speaker 4: So he doesn't have much competition, so I think week

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Speaker 4: I think he's a no brainer at tight end twenty four.

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Speaker 4: dul Kinkaid clearly has more upside because you know, the

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Speaker 1: I don't think that's going to be Laporta.

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Speaker 4: I think he'll be more of a Hawkinson type of

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Speaker 4: end twenty four. Give me all of the Laporta there.

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Speaker 3: He could smash this ADP just because again I think they,

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Speaker 3: like you said, they drafted him to play and there's

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Speaker 3: In twenty twenty two at Iowa, he played slot thirty

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Speaker 3: Jamiir Gibbs twelfth overall pick Bama five nine, about two

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Speaker 3: So you know the forty was four point three six seconds.

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Speaker 2: How do we like? And then let me let me

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Speaker 4: It's probably a tad high And I'll get to why later,

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Speaker 3: You know, I just think they're a little bit higher floors,

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Speaker 2: I won't. I wouldn't exactly.

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Speaker 3: I wouldn't say, you know, if you pick him there,

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Speaker 3: But there's a lot of running backs in at RB

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Speaker 3: twenty seven who pretty interesting, I mean, pretty good contract

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Speaker 2: Maybe not.

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Speaker 3: But the key was, as you alluded to, an NFL

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's true.

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Speaker 4: And you know, the Lions drafting Gibbs was obviously a

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Speaker 4: I think Monty can provide RB three flex value, which

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Speaker 4: So I think Monty's ADP could dip going forward. So

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm I'm not too worried about Montgomer. The Lions.

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Speaker 3: A season ago no running back group collectively scoring more

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Speaker 3: with DeAndre Swift many times, it devolves into a three

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Speaker 3: I think Montgomery's probably better valued than Gibbs just because

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Speaker 4: I think he's the no brainer sleeper, and then you

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm going golf and I think golf is another

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Speaker 4: It's gotta be Jamison Williams. I mean love the talent.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I thought there was There wasn't a guy who's

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Speaker 2: But I found him. It's Jameson Williams.

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Speaker 3: Loved the talent, but like a lot of times it's

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Speaker 3: I don't know why these guys. And like in some

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Speaker 3: That's just my thing with him because last year they

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Speaker 3: like most people are just like he is what he is.

440
00:21:45,000 --> 00:21:47,439
Speaker 3: He has Jefferson, Fine, I'm gonna draft him a Q eleven.

441
00:21:48,080 --> 00:21:50,000
Speaker 3: I'm not really getting my Rather, I'm much rather have

442
00:21:50,040 --> 00:21:50,520
Speaker 3: Jared Goff.

443
00:21:50,520 --> 00:21:53,679
Speaker 2: I think it's the same right for Ceiling. But what

444
00:21:53,720 --> 00:21:54,120
Speaker 2: do you think?

445
00:21:54,640 --> 00:21:54,880
Speaker 1: Yeah?

446
00:21:55,080 --> 00:21:57,399
Speaker 2: Too hard about being too harsh on him?

447
00:21:57,880 --> 00:22:02,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, you can say, Yet I hate the talent, but

448
00:22:02,080 --> 00:22:04,000
Speaker 4: I love the situation. Let me put it that way,

449
00:22:04,040 --> 00:22:06,240
Speaker 4: But I think you're right. I think QB seven last

450
00:22:06,280 --> 00:22:11,239
Speaker 4: year seems like his ceiling. I think getting rid of

451
00:22:11,359 --> 00:22:14,200
Speaker 4: the aging Adam Feelin and replacing him with Jordan Addison

452
00:22:14,320 --> 00:22:15,280
Speaker 4: is an upgrade.

453
00:22:16,040 --> 00:22:18,359
Speaker 1: And a full season with TJ. Hawkinson, I mean, come on,

454
00:22:18,480 --> 00:22:21,440
Speaker 1: that's going to be massive. And he has the best.

455
00:22:21,240 --> 00:22:24,359
Speaker 4: Receiver in all of football and justin Jefferson. So I

456
00:22:24,480 --> 00:22:28,160
Speaker 4: love the situation. I think you hit on it, though

457
00:22:28,160 --> 00:22:31,560
Speaker 4: I think re draft leagues at start one quarterback I'm

458
00:22:31,560 --> 00:22:34,320
Speaker 4: passing on him. Again, it's waysier just stream you said

459
00:22:34,320 --> 00:22:36,240
Speaker 4: he starts the season off with the tough schedule. That's

460
00:22:36,320 --> 00:22:38,720
Speaker 4: not the guy that you draft at QB eleven. But

461
00:22:38,840 --> 00:22:41,679
Speaker 4: if you're talking to QB leagues, I like him more

462
00:22:41,720 --> 00:22:44,920
Speaker 4: than that. He does have a good force, steeling combo

463
00:22:45,000 --> 00:22:49,000
Speaker 4: and best ball stacks. I mean stacking him with Jefferson

464
00:22:49,480 --> 00:22:51,560
Speaker 4: Hawkinson Addison.

465
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Speaker 1: I think makes a ton of sense. So I think

466
00:22:53,080 --> 00:22:54,359
Speaker 1: it depends.

467
00:22:53,880 --> 00:22:57,120
Speaker 4: On what league you're in if QB eleve makes sense,

468
00:22:57,200 --> 00:22:58,960
Speaker 4: But I think you're right. I think in re draft

469
00:22:59,040 --> 00:23:01,360
Speaker 4: leagues that's a league to kind of fade him at

470
00:23:01,440 --> 00:23:02,080
Speaker 4: GB eleven.

471
00:23:02,480 --> 00:23:04,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean that that kind of ties my hands,

472
00:23:04,840 --> 00:23:08,000
Speaker 3: just because in beast ball, I'm usually going for like

473
00:23:08,040 --> 00:23:10,280
Speaker 3: a higher upside quarterback, or I'm just gonna wait for

474
00:23:10,359 --> 00:23:13,280
Speaker 3: like a free Jared Goff, for a free you know,

475
00:23:13,320 --> 00:23:16,000
Speaker 3: somebody like even lower like a if my my QB two,

476
00:23:16,080 --> 00:23:17,440
Speaker 3: Like I'm just gonna get someone who I think is

477
00:23:17,440 --> 00:23:19,200
Speaker 3: gonna start a bunch of games, like Jordan Love or

478
00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:21,520
Speaker 3: something like that. So I'm just not really in the

479
00:23:21,640 --> 00:23:23,959
Speaker 3: range where even I like might as well, just like

480
00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:25,920
Speaker 3: Matthew Stafford could could beat Kirk Cousins.

481
00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:28,800
Speaker 2: Matthew Stafford's going to Q twenty this year, like Matthew.

482
00:23:28,440 --> 00:23:32,600
Speaker 3: Staffords could has the same situation as Cousins had last year. Good,

483
00:23:32,920 --> 00:23:34,840
Speaker 3: he's he's a supporting cast.

484
00:23:34,640 --> 00:23:35,640
Speaker 2: But terrible defense.

485
00:23:36,040 --> 00:23:39,520
Speaker 3: Uh so, like I much rather try to just get

486
00:23:39,600 --> 00:23:44,160
Speaker 3: the value a bunch of rounds later. But justin Jefferson

487
00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:47,560
Speaker 3: is wide receiver one. He should probably be wide receiver

488
00:23:47,760 --> 00:23:50,160
Speaker 3: zero point five. He's just that he's just that good.

489
00:23:50,240 --> 00:23:51,840
Speaker 3: I don't I don't have any much to say.

490
00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:55,600
Speaker 1: About overall, right, Oh yeah, the top receiver. Yeah yeah,

491
00:23:55,600 --> 00:23:57,760
Speaker 1: we overall over everybody.

492
00:23:57,920 --> 00:24:00,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, remember when he like angle hand we had the

493
00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:02,800
Speaker 3: most miraculous catchup whole time last year.

494
00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:05,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I think he's earned that. The numbers

495
00:24:05,920 --> 00:24:06,440
Speaker 2: back it up.

496
00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:11,440
Speaker 3: Although interestingly enough so I'm in the AFC pot. We

497
00:24:11,480 --> 00:24:14,000
Speaker 3: talked about Jamar Chase and how he never finished below.

498
00:24:14,040 --> 00:24:16,200
Speaker 3: I think I think it was why I was forty four,

499
00:24:16,320 --> 00:24:19,920
Speaker 3: forty four or something like that. Yeah, Jefferson did have. Yeah,

500
00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:22,879
Speaker 3: he was top six UH in just over half of

501
00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:26,800
Speaker 3: his games, nine out of seventeen UH and then three

502
00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:29,080
Speaker 3: more in the top twenty two. But he was forty

503
00:24:29,119 --> 00:24:31,600
Speaker 3: seventh or below five times. So a little bit boom

504
00:24:31,680 --> 00:24:36,160
Speaker 3: or bus, but the booms are just so.

505
00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:37,160
Speaker 2: So high that I don't really mind.

506
00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:42,280
Speaker 4: It was the bus, the Jare Alexander game one of them, Yeah,

507
00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:46,600
Speaker 4: one catch So yeah. I mean if teams does really

508
00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:48,520
Speaker 4: sell out to slaw him down, maybe they do, but

509
00:24:49,840 --> 00:24:50,680
Speaker 4: that that could be a.

510
00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:51,600
Speaker 1: Blot on the radar.

511
00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:54,359
Speaker 4: I wouldn't say he has a low four, but I

512
00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:55,399
Speaker 4: don't know what you're saying.

513
00:24:55,600 --> 00:24:59,119
Speaker 2: No, No, I'm just just pointed out potential people should know.

514
00:25:00,359 --> 00:25:02,200
Speaker 3: But Addison, I mean, Addison is the guy that he's

515
00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:03,520
Speaker 3: the lynchpin here, like is he?

516
00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:04,120
Speaker 1: Yeah?

517
00:25:04,359 --> 00:25:06,560
Speaker 3: Because why is he for forty three another one of

518
00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:08,760
Speaker 3: these things where I feel like the market is like

519
00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:11,760
Speaker 3: almost leaving us no room for error. Now he has

520
00:25:11,800 --> 00:25:15,920
Speaker 3: to hit anothering one of these USC receivers five eleven

521
00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:19,600
Speaker 3: one seventy three, four point four to nine forty pretty

522
00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:21,120
Speaker 3: good route runner, quick.

523
00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:22,280
Speaker 2: Game, screen game, kind of guy.

524
00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:26,280
Speaker 3: Lacks some strengths physicality, gets struggled with some drops, But

525
00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:29,399
Speaker 3: can he kind of be Can he pick up those

526
00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:31,800
Speaker 3: steven targets and be more efficient in year one?

527
00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:32,560
Speaker 1: Yeah?

528
00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:34,960
Speaker 4: I think so, And he's one of my favorite receivers

529
00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:37,280
Speaker 4: in the forty to fifty range.

530
00:25:37,760 --> 00:25:39,359
Speaker 1: There's really no weakness to his game.

531
00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:42,720
Speaker 4: You know, he can line up inside outside slot, can

532
00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:46,440
Speaker 4: win downfield. He's a bit smaller, which is like you're

533
00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:49,679
Speaker 4: getting compared to Devonte Smith, but that really hasn't been

534
00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:54,000
Speaker 4: an issue for Smith thankfully, and the Vikings probably took

535
00:25:54,040 --> 00:25:56,000
Speaker 4: him in the first to become their number two receiver

536
00:25:56,640 --> 00:25:59,440
Speaker 4: with Feeling gone. So I think he's gonna be able

537
00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:04,000
Speaker 4: to take advantage of defenses having to worry about Justin Jefferson. Like,

538
00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:06,480
Speaker 4: I think Addison's like the perfect wide receiver too. I

539
00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:08,600
Speaker 4: don't think he'll ever be a true number one Alpha.

540
00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:11,960
Speaker 4: He's kind of like Emanuel Sanders Robert Woods type where

541
00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:15,080
Speaker 4: I think he'll thrive in this role. So I think

542
00:26:15,119 --> 00:26:17,480
Speaker 4: it makes sense to stack him with cousins because if

543
00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:20,800
Speaker 4: he hits cousins is probably finishing, you know, closer to

544
00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:24,760
Speaker 4: his ceiling. So I just love Addison in this range.

545
00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:26,960
Speaker 4: I think this is the time to kind of I

546
00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:29,000
Speaker 4: don't think he has a low floor necessarily, but I

547
00:26:29,040 --> 00:26:31,600
Speaker 4: think he does have a pretty high ceiling in this offense.

548
00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:37,040
Speaker 3: See him having a low floor just because we haven't, like,

549
00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:39,760
Speaker 3: I mean, what is he like a buck seventy bucks

550
00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:42,439
Speaker 3: seventy five? I mean that, yeah, Ron there, Yeah, I

551
00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:44,880
Speaker 3: think that, and then like a thirty first percentile catch

552
00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:47,520
Speaker 3: radius according to a player profile, there are some things

553
00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:49,040
Speaker 3: like I do I love his route running in LA,

554
00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:51,240
Speaker 3: but he could be a little bit more, especially in

555
00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:55,040
Speaker 3: you're one of like a gadget like screen like a

556
00:26:55,119 --> 00:26:57,760
Speaker 3: Rondo Moore. I guess if that makes sense, where he

557
00:26:57,800 --> 00:27:00,200
Speaker 3: can have like some like nine to ten catch games,

558
00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:02,680
Speaker 3: but he could also go kind of he could disappear

559
00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:05,679
Speaker 3: at certain time, kind of like Dealing did for different reasons.

560
00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:09,920
Speaker 3: But overall, like, yeah, I'm not I just I don't

561
00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:11,159
Speaker 3: know how to call him. I don't know how to

562
00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:13,080
Speaker 3: say I like his value because I got forty three.

563
00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:13,560
Speaker 2: I just don't.

564
00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:16,320
Speaker 3: I just don't see a ton of room for error.

565
00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:22,000
Speaker 3: But what about Osbourne. He's going fifty nine, so like

566
00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:24,680
Speaker 3: that's actually not as low as you would think. I mean,

567
00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:29,880
Speaker 3: his targets per route went from he actually went down

568
00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:32,040
Speaker 3: last year from fourteen point seven two years ago to

569
00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:34,480
Speaker 3: fourteen point three. His yard p route went from one

570
00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:37,160
Speaker 3: point three to one to one. His yards for catch

571
00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:40,800
Speaker 3: went down over to and his touchdowns per catch, which

572
00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:43,760
Speaker 3: was a big thing, you know it was due to regress,

573
00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:46,959
Speaker 3: but fourteen percent two years ago eight just over eight

574
00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:50,080
Speaker 3: percent last year. So that's kind of concerning to me that,

575
00:27:50,119 --> 00:27:52,520
Speaker 3: you know, even with Dean kind of dipping and you

576
00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:54,520
Speaker 3: know Ozurn wasn't really gonna take a strangle.

577
00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:55,880
Speaker 2: So that's more of.

578
00:27:55,840 --> 00:27:57,760
Speaker 3: A I think a positive for a guy like Addison.

579
00:27:57,840 --> 00:28:00,600
Speaker 3: I don't think Osborne is gonna jump in here. So

580
00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:02,960
Speaker 3: I got fifty nine. You know, what do you what

581
00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:05,760
Speaker 3: are you doing with with him? Like do you think

582
00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:08,639
Speaker 3: there's enough upside for him to maybe beak smart the

583
00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:10,400
Speaker 3: year as that number two, or do you think it's

584
00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:14,480
Speaker 3: more downside of him, like just getting completely usurped by Addison.

585
00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:16,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think, well, I don't.

586
00:28:16,119 --> 00:28:19,520
Speaker 4: Think he'll get completely usurp because you know, they use

587
00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:22,320
Speaker 4: a ton of eleven personnel. I mean they're designed after

588
00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:25,399
Speaker 4: the Rams offense. So I think that this is a

589
00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:28,720
Speaker 4: fair price for him, and he does carry him upside

590
00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:30,600
Speaker 4: over the last five games last year, he was the

591
00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:31,560
Speaker 4: wide receiver seven.

592
00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:35,720
Speaker 3: So that's because the Vikings got down like fifty three

593
00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:38,600
Speaker 3: points to the Colts and the Coats. They just played

594
00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:41,840
Speaker 3: zone defense and let the Vikings just completely That could.

595
00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:42,440
Speaker 1: That could happen again.

596
00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:44,480
Speaker 4: I'm not saying that side got but he could have

597
00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:46,600
Speaker 4: flashes Like I don't want him in redraft and trying

598
00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:49,120
Speaker 4: to figure out when the hell he's gonna do good.

599
00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:51,880
Speaker 4: But like in best Ball, sure I'll take some flyers here.

600
00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:55,360
Speaker 4: I'm not completely fading him. And normally I'm a huge

601
00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:57,880
Speaker 4: TOAs JJ Osborne fan the past couple of years, but

602
00:28:58,280 --> 00:28:59,800
Speaker 4: this year I think I am in a slow down.

603
00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:01,920
Speaker 4: I think fifty nine is pretty high, like you said,

604
00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:04,840
Speaker 4: like I'm shocked it's not in the seventies. So I

605
00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:06,840
Speaker 4: just think his ADP is about where it should be.

606
00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:11,040
Speaker 4: So I don't think you should fade or target him necessarily.

607
00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:14,600
Speaker 4: I think that Addison where he's going that again, that's

608
00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:17,760
Speaker 4: just where I like to take some gambles. So I

609
00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:20,200
Speaker 4: know there is some risk to Addison, but I think

610
00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:21,680
Speaker 4: he's more likely to pay it off.

611
00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:25,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I think this podcast a couple of

612
00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:28,280
Speaker 3: years ago, we talked about kJ Oswell when he was

613
00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:30,760
Speaker 3: like like a third string on the depth chart, like

614
00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:36,320
Speaker 3: this guy might actually start. Yeah, I don't love Osbourne's

615
00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:39,920
Speaker 3: underlying metrics, but I do agree. I think in basketball

616
00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:42,720
Speaker 3: there could be some upside there because just because you

617
00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:45,680
Speaker 3: are dealing with, you know, a rookie in that other

618
00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:50,160
Speaker 3: spot and who's going a lot higher. So like this

619
00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:54,520
Speaker 3: is offense where yeah, you have Hawkinson and you have Jefferson,

620
00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:56,640
Speaker 3: but those guys have been pretty healthy.

621
00:29:56,920 --> 00:29:57,600
Speaker 2: Well Hacketton just.

622
00:29:57,560 --> 00:29:59,040
Speaker 3: Guy here, but he played in all the games Jefferson's

623
00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:01,440
Speaker 3: got on this game, so like there's there's no one

624
00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:05,080
Speaker 3: really behind either. So like, not only does he have

625
00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:07,400
Speaker 3: upside to like be the number two if something goes

626
00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:12,240
Speaker 3: wrong with Addison, but like Jalen Rager, Jalen Naylor, Brandon Powell,

627
00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:16,200
Speaker 3: like those guys aren't really a big threat to overtake

628
00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:17,000
Speaker 3: Osbourne either.

629
00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:19,600
Speaker 4: Exactly That's what I was gonna say. Who's gonna take

630
00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:24,040
Speaker 4: away snaps? Jalen Rager? Hell no, nobody. So I mean

631
00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:26,720
Speaker 4: he's a lock uh in eleven personnel.

632
00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:31,960
Speaker 3: So Josh oliveros O just got two tight in sets.

633
00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:34,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean they probably will. They did. They did

634
00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:39,400
Speaker 2: pay a pretty penny for Oliver. Actually. Yeah. So Hockinson's here.

635
00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:43,800
Speaker 2: He's the tight end three this year. He was the

636
00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:48,240
Speaker 2: tight end three from Week nine on with Minnesota and uh, only.

637
00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:52,600
Speaker 3: Two games of his ten with Minnesota was he outside

638
00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:55,280
Speaker 3: the top sixteen. He had half of his games he

639
00:30:55,320 --> 00:30:58,600
Speaker 3: was in the top seven. Uh so, uh, what do

640
00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:01,360
Speaker 3: you do? You is tatting three two Richards? You think

641
00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:02,920
Speaker 3: that's about where he's supposed to be going.

642
00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:05,680
Speaker 4: No, tight end three is fair, you know, having a

643
00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:08,560
Speaker 4: full offseason to learn the offense, gain chemistry with cousins.

644
00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:10,640
Speaker 4: I mean he already you know, kicked ass with them

645
00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:13,560
Speaker 4: last year, but he's going to be even better this year.

646
00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:16,360
Speaker 4: I would lean him over George Kittle at three just

647
00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:18,000
Speaker 4: because we don't know who the hell is going to

648
00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:18,240
Speaker 4: be the.

649
00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:19,120
Speaker 1: Four narst quarterback.

650
00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:23,280
Speaker 4: So if we get clarity that rock Perty's like ready

651
00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:25,920
Speaker 4: to go and he's going to be the quarterback. Maybe

652
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:28,440
Speaker 4: I would consider Kittle over him, but that's just probably

653
00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:31,840
Speaker 4: not gonna happen. So just give me Hawkinson at three.

654
00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:36,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, I have a few shares of Hockinson already. I

655
00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:41,640
Speaker 3: just think the volume potential there is pretty pretty high.

656
00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:44,720
Speaker 3: Behind Jefferson, I think he's definitely going to be the

657
00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:47,479
Speaker 3: number two target. You know, maybe Addison will overtake him

658
00:31:47,520 --> 00:31:50,080
Speaker 3: at some point, but he's definitely starting a year number

659
00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:51,920
Speaker 3: two and he's been targeted over.

660
00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:55,800
Speaker 2: Twenty percent of his route So yeah, like Hockinson.

661
00:31:56,440 --> 00:31:58,400
Speaker 3: So the running backs, I mean, we've been talking about this,

662
00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:04,240
Speaker 3: Alexander matt He's going RB thirty, Dalvin Cook's going about

663
00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:08,160
Speaker 3: fifteen spots higher down. Cook's no longer on a team.

664
00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:11,400
Speaker 3: Madison started about six games over the past three years,

665
00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:13,960
Speaker 3: averaged twenty just over twenty three touches for one hundred

666
00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:19,800
Speaker 3: twelve scrimmageyards, five touchdowns in six start in those six starts.

667
00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:23,760
Speaker 2: So where do you think he ends up?

668
00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:26,120
Speaker 3: I guess is a good question in ADP wise, where

669
00:32:26,120 --> 00:32:27,040
Speaker 3: do you think he should end up?

670
00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:31,520
Speaker 4: Well, right now, it looks like the recent drafts he's

671
00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:34,080
Speaker 4: sort of in the RB fifteen range, which I think

672
00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:36,400
Speaker 4: makes sense. That's where I would rank him, like a

673
00:32:36,520 --> 00:32:39,600
Speaker 4: high end RB two, maybe not in the RB one

674
00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:41,920
Speaker 4: range like when he's filled in for Cook in the past.

675
00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:44,560
Speaker 4: He has been there, but I think long term he'll

676
00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:47,240
Speaker 4: settle in high end RB two. So I think RB

677
00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:49,960
Speaker 4: fifteen is about fair. But it just goes to show

678
00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:52,320
Speaker 4: how criminal it was that you were able to get

679
00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:55,280
Speaker 4: him RB thirty to RB thirty five just a couple

680
00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:58,600
Speaker 4: of weeks ago, when we've known for what over a

681
00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:02,600
Speaker 4: month now that Dalvin was gone, So that was the

682
00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:06,840
Speaker 4: time to just load up on Madison and I'm afraid

683
00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:10,360
Speaker 4: that's gone. The market has finally adjusted with Cook officially

684
00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:13,520
Speaker 4: being released. So I think RB fifteen sounds about fair,

685
00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:16,240
Speaker 4: and that's that's where he's going in recent drafts.

686
00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:19,160
Speaker 3: And we know minnesot is not going to sign another

687
00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:22,760
Speaker 3: running back there. Yeah, their situation is crazy. So he

688
00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:25,560
Speaker 3: thoughts on who who the handcuff will be. I know

689
00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:30,240
Speaker 3: they got Dwayne McBride there, who is a rookie.

690
00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:32,880
Speaker 2: They also got Wanghu coming.

691
00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:36,040
Speaker 3: Back who is like the returner, and ty Chandler, a

692
00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:39,360
Speaker 3: guy they drafted last year as well, So it looks

693
00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:41,240
Speaker 3: like McBride is is the only one with the ADP

694
00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:44,920
Speaker 3: is going RB seventy. Just any thoughts on on that.

695
00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:46,880
Speaker 3: You think that's just kind of like an open competition

696
00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:47,160
Speaker 3: right now.

697
00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:49,080
Speaker 1: This is something I think it is worth figuring out.

698
00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:49,920
Speaker 1: I don't know the answer.

699
00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:52,600
Speaker 4: I can't plant my flag on either, but it's between

700
00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:57,560
Speaker 4: Dwayne McBride and ty Chandler. McBride's the safer bet. He

701
00:33:57,640 --> 00:34:02,160
Speaker 4: seems like the Alexander Man Medison replacement. Like he's he's

702
00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:05,120
Speaker 4: an early down back. You know, he went in the

703
00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:07,440
Speaker 4: seventh round just dude to missing the combine. He had

704
00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:10,680
Speaker 4: a hamstring injury, probably should have gone sooner, but he's

705
00:34:10,680 --> 00:34:12,640
Speaker 4: just an early down grinder. I don't think he's gonna

706
00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:15,640
Speaker 4: do much in the passing game, so he would probably

707
00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:18,600
Speaker 4: need Madison to miss time to have any value whatsoever.

708
00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:21,960
Speaker 4: The wild card is definitely ty Chandler.

709
00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:25,719
Speaker 1: He is super fast, he's already twenty five years old,

710
00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:27,520
Speaker 1: but you.

711
00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:30,640
Speaker 4: Know he has the Dalvin Cook. He's not as good

712
00:34:30,640 --> 00:34:32,960
Speaker 4: as Dalvin Cook, but the upside to be like the

713
00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:36,040
Speaker 4: Dalvin Cook role, so he can mix in on passing

714
00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:39,440
Speaker 4: downs when Madison is healthy. And I think if Madison

715
00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:41,600
Speaker 4: were to go down, he probably has the most upside

716
00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:43,600
Speaker 4: to be just a true work course back, but he

717
00:34:43,640 --> 00:34:46,040
Speaker 4: has the wider range of outcomes. I think he's less

718
00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:49,799
Speaker 4: Polish than McBride just as a running back overall. So

719
00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:52,520
Speaker 4: right now, if ty Chandler is free, I'd be taking

720
00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:55,360
Speaker 4: some swings at him, But I think McBride has the

721
00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:58,959
Speaker 4: best chance to be Madison's true backup, if that makes sense.

722
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:02,760
Speaker 3: You don't think you think Wanghu just kind of stays

723
00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:06,839
Speaker 3: special teams because played over Chandler last year when they

724
00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:07,720
Speaker 3: were both active.

725
00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:10,760
Speaker 4: I think that Wonga he's more of the special teamer.

726
00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:13,560
Speaker 4: We'll have to see some progress again. This is something

727
00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:16,480
Speaker 4: I think just gonna have to sort out through camp,

728
00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:22,040
Speaker 4: potentially preseason. But I think Chandler has the most upside,

729
00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:25,320
Speaker 4: the clearest path to upside, whereas mcbrid' is safe for

730
00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:26,239
Speaker 4: bet Nwangu I.

731
00:35:26,239 --> 00:35:29,280
Speaker 1: Think is the dark horse wild card where.

732
00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:30,759
Speaker 4: I wouldn't put him in the mix yet, but I

733
00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:33,280
Speaker 4: wouldn't be shocked that anything can happen with these three guys.

734
00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:36,040
Speaker 4: But either way, I think it is worth paying attention

735
00:35:36,120 --> 00:35:39,800
Speaker 4: to because we kind of want Alexander Manison's.

736
00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:41,840
Speaker 1: Backup, is what I'm getting at. So this is this is.

737
00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:47,000
Speaker 4: A situation where every day we might find a nugget,

738
00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:49,480
Speaker 4: and this is something that we got him honitored closely.

739
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:51,839
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I'm not sleeping on Wangoo. I mean

740
00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:54,560
Speaker 3: he I know, he never really he never really took

741
00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:57,359
Speaker 3: off in terms of a runner, but he did play

742
00:35:57,360 --> 00:35:59,520
Speaker 3: over Chandler and he's when he I mean, he's been

743
00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:01,120
Speaker 3: one of the best returners in the game for two

744
00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:05,160
Speaker 3: years now. He's got three touchdowns in on just fifty

745
00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:08,240
Speaker 3: three kick returns and he averages twenty eight point three.

746
00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:10,839
Speaker 3: And now you know, with the kick being the kick

747
00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:12,880
Speaker 3: return being less of a factor, you know, maybe yes,

748
00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:14,799
Speaker 3: and he's he is six one, he's listened at six one,

749
00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:17,759
Speaker 3: two ten, So like I actually, I think I think

750
00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:20,040
Speaker 3: he's squarely in the running as well.

751
00:36:20,239 --> 00:36:22,200
Speaker 4: Absolutely there's a ton of upside. I have him on

752
00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:24,239
Speaker 4: a Dynasty team, so I hope he can.

753
00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:26,680
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I'm just out day not banking on it.

754
00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:29,280
Speaker 1: But again, this is a three.

755
00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:31,320
Speaker 2: Where we uneerthed these guys though. This is where we

756
00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:33,279
Speaker 2: found it. We talked ourselves into kJ I.

757
00:36:33,239 --> 00:36:37,600
Speaker 3: Was going to come year this Wonghu guy, I'm sunding man, Yeah, no,

758
00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:38,359
Speaker 3: he could.

759
00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:40,719
Speaker 4: I just think it makes sense for McBride to have

760
00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:44,640
Speaker 4: the highest or the lowest AVP right now, just because

761
00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:47,680
Speaker 4: he's the safer pick. But again, I think taking flyers

762
00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:50,279
Speaker 4: on Chandler and Wongu do make sense this time in

763
00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:51,040
Speaker 4: Viera anyway.

764
00:36:52,120 --> 00:36:59,440
Speaker 3: Uh, okay, who do we like sleepers for the Vikings?

765
00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:05,280
Speaker 4: I'm going Jordan Madison. Just love his upside where he's going. Obviously,

766
00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:07,200
Speaker 4: you know he probably does have to pan out, but

767
00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:10,200
Speaker 4: I think he has a high floor. They didn't draft

768
00:37:10,239 --> 00:37:12,040
Speaker 4: him in the first round to just kind of sit there,

769
00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:14,920
Speaker 4: and like we mentioned, there's really no competition in the

770
00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:18,239
Speaker 4: top three, so he's playing no matter what. Love his potential.

771
00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:20,399
Speaker 4: And then we don't know which one of these three

772
00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:23,480
Speaker 4: backup running backs, but I think one of them. And again,

773
00:37:23,560 --> 00:37:25,520
Speaker 4: if you make a time machine and go back a

774
00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:28,799
Speaker 4: couple weeks, you should have been drafting Madison heavily when

775
00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:31,960
Speaker 4: he was RB thirty. So he was my favorite sleeper.

776
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:34,600
Speaker 4: But now that the news with Dalvin Cook being officially cut,

777
00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:38,720
Speaker 4: unfortunately he's no longer my top sleeper overall.

778
00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:41,680
Speaker 2: Yeah. Now, yeah, a lot of the value is kind

779
00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:42,560
Speaker 2: of been out.

780
00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:44,520
Speaker 3: I still think he's a pretty high floor placecause I mean,

781
00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:46,880
Speaker 3: we can't even figure out who his back up, probably

782
00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:49,040
Speaker 3: good sign for him, and it wasn't like, you know,

783
00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:51,440
Speaker 3: it's like the Vikings are kind of being forced into this,

784
00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:54,520
Speaker 3: so you know, they're the fact that they didn't really

785
00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:56,640
Speaker 3: use anyone last year and it was just all cooking

786
00:37:56,680 --> 00:37:59,200
Speaker 3: Madison that that kind of bowsoon for Madison. Now it's

787
00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:02,359
Speaker 3: like probably be you know, almost all Madison with one

788
00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:04,759
Speaker 3: other guy. You know, it was like a seventy five

789
00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:11,240
Speaker 3: twenty five split last year. So yeah, still still like Madison,

790
00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:14,359
Speaker 3: but yeah, not you know, there's RB thirty obviously much

791
00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:18,160
Speaker 3: more value than at RB fifteen. What about overvalue guys

792
00:38:18,239 --> 00:38:18,840
Speaker 3: or busts.

793
00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:19,399
Speaker 1: No one.

794
00:38:19,719 --> 00:38:22,640
Speaker 4: I think everybody's either on par or a value in

795
00:38:23,080 --> 00:38:26,719
Speaker 4: this offense. Even JJ Osborne, who I'm probably drafting the least,

796
00:38:26,719 --> 00:38:29,200
Speaker 4: I still have, you know, slightly higher my rankings just

797
00:38:29,239 --> 00:38:31,960
Speaker 4: based on the high flour. So this is a team.

798
00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:33,960
Speaker 4: I'm just gonna have to say, No one's really a

799
00:38:33,960 --> 00:38:34,640
Speaker 4: bust candidate.

800
00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:37,160
Speaker 3: And for me, it's just Cousins just because I see,

801
00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:40,239
Speaker 3: I don't like the schedule, I think, and I just

802
00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:42,279
Speaker 3: think with the better defense, it could just be a

803
00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:45,160
Speaker 3: lot more middling and you could kind of he's just replaceable,

804
00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:48,040
Speaker 3: I think, And he's going pretty high.

805
00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:49,960
Speaker 2: All right, let's go to the Chicago Bears.

806
00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:54,960
Speaker 3: Justin fields up to QB six You know, Matt Uberfusa

807
00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:57,399
Speaker 3: said they're gonna focus on the passing game a lot more,

808
00:38:57,840 --> 00:38:59,799
Speaker 3: more of an emphasis on throwing, kind of the hurt

809
00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:03,319
Speaker 3: Josh Allen models for improvement, and I mean you do

810
00:39:03,480 --> 00:39:08,360
Speaker 3: got you do have excuse me that that potential because

811
00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:10,359
Speaker 3: you went out and you got DJ Moore. So here's

812
00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:13,120
Speaker 3: another one of those things where you look at justin fields.

813
00:39:13,120 --> 00:39:16,640
Speaker 3: Over forty percent of his targets last year went to Equanimia,

814
00:39:16,680 --> 00:39:23,440
Speaker 3: Saint Brown, Dante Tennis, Byron Pringle, VELAs Jones, Harry Emir Smith, Marsette,

815
00:39:24,120 --> 00:39:29,040
Speaker 3: backup tight ends, David Montgomery, Treston Ebner, like just guys

816
00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:32,680
Speaker 3: that you know, not ideal you So now you should

817
00:39:32,680 --> 00:39:34,600
Speaker 3: have more.

818
00:39:35,160 --> 00:39:36,600
Speaker 2: Mooney's coming, Mooney miss time.

819
00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:41,520
Speaker 3: Claypool barely got any got any packages and then got

820
00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:42,120
Speaker 3: hurt as well.

821
00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:45,680
Speaker 2: So what do you what are your thoughts on fields? Oh?

822
00:39:45,719 --> 00:39:46,279
Speaker 1: I love him.

823
00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:48,759
Speaker 4: I mean he finishes the QB sixth last year he

824
00:39:48,840 --> 00:39:51,319
Speaker 4: was kimvy five and points per game, and that was

825
00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:54,440
Speaker 4: just despite having one of the worst pass catching groups

826
00:39:54,520 --> 00:39:57,560
Speaker 4: in the league. Like you mentioned Darnold Mooney also missed

827
00:39:57,560 --> 00:39:59,239
Speaker 4: a handful of games. So the fact that they just

828
00:39:59,239 --> 00:40:02,719
Speaker 4: bring in dj Or, they'll have Chase Claypool for the

829
00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:05,600
Speaker 4: entire offseason program, hopefully they can integrate him a little

830
00:40:05,600 --> 00:40:05,960
Speaker 4: bit better.

831
00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:09,080
Speaker 1: Moon he's back healthy.

832
00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:12,000
Speaker 4: QB six seems fair, but he has top three upsides,

833
00:40:12,080 --> 00:40:15,279
Speaker 4: so he does. He is similar to Jalen Hurts last

834
00:40:15,360 --> 00:40:18,080
Speaker 4: year just in terms of upside, where.

835
00:40:19,840 --> 00:40:21,239
Speaker 1: QB six might be his floor.

836
00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:24,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, so I do love him, and we're kind of

837
00:40:24,719 --> 00:40:27,040
Speaker 4: cautioning last year just with the supporting cast, it was

838
00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:29,560
Speaker 4: hard and like him too much, but he was still

839
00:40:29,560 --> 00:40:30,000
Speaker 4: too cheap.

840
00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:31,799
Speaker 1: This year, I think this.

841
00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:35,719
Speaker 4: Guy's limit with him, so uh yeah, like if he's

842
00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:37,520
Speaker 4: still there at QB six, I'm taking him.

843
00:40:37,719 --> 00:40:40,040
Speaker 3: Oh absolutely, I think I totally. I think q six

844
00:40:40,120 --> 00:40:42,879
Speaker 3: is floor, and I think this guy has QB one

845
00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:47,520
Speaker 3: overall upside, oh absolutely, in his range of outcomes. And uh,

846
00:40:47,560 --> 00:40:49,160
Speaker 3: you know, it was like Jalen Hurts last year, Like

847
00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:51,000
Speaker 3: he started out he's like a cute, like in the

848
00:40:51,080 --> 00:40:54,719
Speaker 3: low like maybe like eight ten to nine eight, he

849
00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:57,200
Speaker 3: kept sleeping up, but even at like six, it was

850
00:40:57,239 --> 00:41:00,120
Speaker 3: still like, Okay, this guy's still a value and what

851
00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:02,000
Speaker 3: did you do go on to be you know, top

852
00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:04,080
Speaker 3: top two quarterback, And I think Fields could do the

853
00:41:04,120 --> 00:41:06,640
Speaker 3: same thing. I mean, here's the crazy stat with Fields.

854
00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:12,040
Speaker 3: Fields ran the ball three times fewer than Jalen Hurts

855
00:41:12,080 --> 00:41:16,000
Speaker 3: last year and had three hundred and eighty more rushing yards.

856
00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:21,319
Speaker 3: Like his rushing upside is bonkers. And even if he

857
00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:25,160
Speaker 3: throws more, you know, like just the the explosiveness on

858
00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:28,120
Speaker 3: the ground is probably even greater than Hurts. And now

859
00:41:28,239 --> 00:41:30,799
Speaker 3: the supporting cast, you know, co Comet really came on

860
00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:31,479
Speaker 3: last year.

861
00:41:32,680 --> 00:41:34,440
Speaker 2: You know, if Kuapoo ever gets healthy, you have a

862
00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:38,400
Speaker 2: great top three at wide receiver. So yeah, I really

863
00:41:38,440 --> 00:41:39,640
Speaker 2: like I really like Fields.

864
00:41:39,680 --> 00:41:41,960
Speaker 3: I think he's a He's a value, not in the

865
00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:44,160
Speaker 3: sense like QB six is probably fair in terms of

866
00:41:44,200 --> 00:41:48,759
Speaker 3: the quarterbacks, but you know, going in the early fifth round, uh,

867
00:41:49,080 --> 00:41:51,120
Speaker 3: you know, I'd probably take him around or two higher.

868
00:41:51,120 --> 00:41:53,120
Speaker 3: Like I think he could legit be the top scoring

869
00:41:53,160 --> 00:41:54,160
Speaker 3: player in fantasy this year.

870
00:41:54,239 --> 00:41:55,640
Speaker 1: Yep, agree completely.

871
00:41:56,719 --> 00:41:59,920
Speaker 3: So DJ Moore's wide receiver twenty two comes to Carolina

872
00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:03,759
Speaker 3: comes from Carolina as part of the compensation for Chicago's

873
00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:07,920
Speaker 3: first overall pick. Any thoughts on him, kind of moving

874
00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:10,879
Speaker 3: from what ended up being a disaster of a year

875
00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:14,200
Speaker 3: for most of the year in Carolina over here to Chicago.

876
00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:17,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, there's no question he's going to make

877
00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:19,960
Speaker 4: this offense better and Justin Fields better. He's why I

878
00:42:20,120 --> 00:42:23,360
Speaker 4: like Justin Fields at QB six, But wide receiver twenty

879
00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:25,400
Speaker 4: two is still just a bit high.

880
00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:26,840
Speaker 1: He should still see.

881
00:42:26,680 --> 00:42:29,839
Speaker 4: A high target share, but you know, he's not going

882
00:42:29,880 --> 00:42:31,879
Speaker 4: to the Kansas City Chiefs, so the.

883
00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:35,240
Speaker 1: Overall volume you know, might be lacking, and.

884
00:42:35,120 --> 00:42:37,840
Speaker 4: He still has you know, pretty low touch on upside,

885
00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:41,240
Speaker 4: so I'm not thrilled about taking him at wide receiver

886
00:42:41,320 --> 00:42:43,600
Speaker 4: twenty two. I think just the way to invest in

887
00:42:43,680 --> 00:42:47,880
Speaker 4: him is to just take Justin Fields. I think that's

888
00:42:48,360 --> 00:42:50,759
Speaker 4: you know, he's going to help Justin Fields. I don't

889
00:42:50,760 --> 00:42:52,839
Speaker 4: know if it's going to go the other way. So

890
00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:54,680
Speaker 4: I think wide receiver twenty two is just a little

891
00:42:54,680 --> 00:42:55,480
Speaker 4: bit high for me.

892
00:42:56,960 --> 00:42:58,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I don't mind it.

893
00:42:58,680 --> 00:43:00,279
Speaker 3: I think it's going to be a bit I think

894
00:43:00,400 --> 00:43:02,799
Speaker 3: Justin Fields is gonna make like an improvement, you know,

895
00:43:02,840 --> 00:43:05,120
Speaker 3: the way we've seen Allen and Hurts do it. And

896
00:43:06,200 --> 00:43:07,799
Speaker 3: you know the fact that this guy was you know,

897
00:43:07,880 --> 00:43:10,239
Speaker 3: part of the reason they were fine with trading that

898
00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:12,279
Speaker 3: number one pick, like I think he's gonna I think

899
00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:14,640
Speaker 3: he's gonna get his Like I say, there are points

900
00:43:14,640 --> 00:43:16,640
Speaker 3: in the year in the offseason where he was going

901
00:43:16,680 --> 00:43:18,680
Speaker 3: inside the top twenty. I think that was starting to

902
00:43:18,680 --> 00:43:21,319
Speaker 3: get a little a little presumptive, a little rich. But

903
00:43:21,360 --> 00:43:24,160
Speaker 3: as if he's going in those mid twenties, I'm finally

904
00:43:24,200 --> 00:43:26,160
Speaker 3: taking a shot on him because I still think he

905
00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:29,480
Speaker 3: actually does have you know, wide receiver one upside, and

906
00:43:29,480 --> 00:43:31,240
Speaker 3: he could be a he could be a massive target

907
00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:35,239
Speaker 3: hog because like the supporting cast is a lot better.

908
00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:38,680
Speaker 3: But like comets, you know, he started getting a lot

909
00:43:38,680 --> 00:43:42,200
Speaker 3: more targets when Mooney went down. Mooney regressed in terms

910
00:43:42,200 --> 00:43:45,399
Speaker 3: of his targets per route, went from twenty two to

911
00:43:45,560 --> 00:43:48,120
Speaker 3: nineteen percent last year, So I think more is going

912
00:43:48,160 --> 00:43:51,759
Speaker 3: to be still has that like target hog potential, you know,

913
00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:53,560
Speaker 3: and I do think they're gonna be there's gonna be

914
00:43:53,560 --> 00:43:56,480
Speaker 3: more pass volume this year now with a full offseason

915
00:43:56,480 --> 00:43:59,840
Speaker 3: in this offense with added weapons. So I'm willing to

916
00:43:59,880 --> 00:44:03,280
Speaker 3: say some shots on him, Like I'm not gonna be overexposed,

917
00:44:03,320 --> 00:44:07,600
Speaker 3: but I'm finding being like on par Mooney is fifty

918
00:44:07,680 --> 00:44:10,520
Speaker 3: two wide receiver fifty two, as I mentioned he saw

919
00:44:10,560 --> 00:44:13,520
Speaker 3: some dips in his underlying metrics. His targets per out

920
00:44:13,560 --> 00:44:15,960
Speaker 3: went down about three percent. His yards per out dipped

921
00:44:16,560 --> 00:44:19,239
Speaker 3: a bit as well, and you know it hurt his

922
00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:23,560
Speaker 3: counting stats. He went from sixty two yards per game

923
00:44:23,920 --> 00:44:28,759
Speaker 3: to about forty one. So now he's coming back off

924
00:44:28,760 --> 00:44:31,040
Speaker 3: the injury, there's a new number one in town.

925
00:44:31,400 --> 00:44:32,319
Speaker 2: What are your thoughts on him?

926
00:44:32,960 --> 00:44:34,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean he probably he probably wasn't meant to

927
00:44:34,920 --> 00:44:37,720
Speaker 4: be a true number one wide receiver for being honest,

928
00:44:37,719 --> 00:44:39,560
Speaker 4: So I think maybe having a player like DJ Moore

929
00:44:39,600 --> 00:44:42,440
Speaker 4: will help take away some of the attention lead to

930
00:44:42,560 --> 00:44:45,719
Speaker 4: more you know, open looks downfield. So it could help

931
00:44:45,760 --> 00:44:48,080
Speaker 4: him in basketball only. I don't think i'd want Mooney

932
00:44:48,440 --> 00:44:50,239
Speaker 4: and Redraft trying to figure out when he's gonna have

933
00:44:50,280 --> 00:44:53,280
Speaker 4: a good game. So he's not a player I'm looking

934
00:44:53,320 --> 00:44:55,480
Speaker 4: to target in this range. But if he falls outside

935
00:44:55,480 --> 00:44:58,120
Speaker 4: of the top fifty five in basketball, I think it

936
00:44:58,160 --> 00:45:01,880
Speaker 4: does make sense to have some feel old Moody stacks.

937
00:45:02,360 --> 00:45:04,399
Speaker 3: Yeah, he'll be I think he'll go back to being

938
00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:08,480
Speaker 3: more of you know, intermediate to deep route runner. So

939
00:45:08,600 --> 00:45:13,000
Speaker 3: with that comes you know, some some inconsistency. But Quaypool's

940
00:45:13,360 --> 00:45:15,640
Speaker 3: still been struggling to get on the fields from what

941
00:45:15,840 --> 00:45:18,759
Speaker 3: from what I'm seeing, he's still dealing with some some

942
00:45:18,760 --> 00:45:22,000
Speaker 3: some type of injury. They apparently want him to be

943
00:45:22,080 --> 00:45:24,839
Speaker 3: like a vertical red zone guy. They only gave him

944
00:45:24,840 --> 00:45:27,000
Speaker 3: a handful of plays last year because he kind of

945
00:45:27,040 --> 00:45:27,840
Speaker 3: came mid season.

946
00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:30,680
Speaker 2: But he's VI receiver seventy two right now. But I

947
00:45:31,600 --> 00:45:32,600
Speaker 2: feel like if.

948
00:45:32,440 --> 00:45:35,239
Speaker 3: He was healthy, maybe he would have the upside. Still

949
00:45:35,239 --> 00:45:38,160
Speaker 3: pretty young, but as far as I don't know what

950
00:45:38,200 --> 00:45:38,680
Speaker 3: to do with him?

951
00:45:39,080 --> 00:45:39,320
Speaker 1: What are you?

952
00:45:39,360 --> 00:45:40,239
Speaker 2: What are you doing with him?

953
00:45:40,600 --> 00:45:42,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, it's not good that he's hurt because you know,

954
00:45:43,200 --> 00:45:46,239
Speaker 4: he really struggled to pick up the offense after the

955
00:45:46,320 --> 00:45:49,120
Speaker 4: trade or they were struggling to figure out how to

956
00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:51,920
Speaker 4: integrate him. So having a full off season to learn

957
00:45:51,960 --> 00:45:54,279
Speaker 4: the playbook and get chemistry at fields was key. So

958
00:45:54,320 --> 00:45:58,000
Speaker 4: if he's hurt, that does hurt. So I do think

959
00:45:58,040 --> 00:46:01,000
Speaker 4: he has, you know, some up side as a talent,

960
00:46:01,239 --> 00:46:03,279
Speaker 4: but just in this offense, I think it's going to

961
00:46:03,320 --> 00:46:05,600
Speaker 4: be limited. I think it's it's going to go through

962
00:46:05,960 --> 00:46:08,880
Speaker 4: Dj Moore, Cole Comet, and then Mooney will be you know,

963
00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:12,360
Speaker 4: the high variance downfield guys. So why Claypool is going

964
00:46:12,440 --> 00:46:16,080
Speaker 4: to maybe catch you know, five touchdowns. So I just

965
00:46:16,080 --> 00:46:19,200
Speaker 4: don't see the appeal even in the seventies to really

966
00:46:19,239 --> 00:46:21,600
Speaker 4: target Claypool. I think he'll need one or two injuries

967
00:46:21,640 --> 00:46:25,160
Speaker 4: to these pass catchers to potentially offer value. So he's

968
00:46:25,200 --> 00:46:27,799
Speaker 4: just not a guy that I'm too interested in investing in.

969
00:46:28,280 --> 00:46:31,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, the fact that the fact that his offseason has

970
00:46:31,040 --> 00:46:33,200
Speaker 3: still been compromised is not a not a.

971
00:46:33,120 --> 00:46:33,600
Speaker 2: Good signe that.

972
00:46:33,600 --> 00:46:35,520
Speaker 3: I mean, that's probably good, good, good news for Mooney

973
00:46:35,520 --> 00:46:37,800
Speaker 3: because I think that, you know, if Claypool was also

974
00:46:37,960 --> 00:46:41,799
Speaker 3: firing on all cylinders, that would make Mooney even more inconsistent.

975
00:46:41,840 --> 00:46:44,960
Speaker 3: But now Mooney can still be at least somewhat involved.

976
00:46:45,440 --> 00:46:47,879
Speaker 2: You know, on a week to week basis.

977
00:46:49,040 --> 00:46:52,440
Speaker 3: Kmet is the tight end thirteen. He was a tight

978
00:46:52,520 --> 00:46:57,040
Speaker 3: end four from week nine to on with Mooney in

979
00:46:57,120 --> 00:47:00,319
Speaker 3: the lineup. His targets per route was fourteen percent and

980
00:47:00,360 --> 00:47:02,920
Speaker 3: his yards per route was about one point two. And

981
00:47:02,920 --> 00:47:06,160
Speaker 3: then once Mooney got hurt, that jumped from fourteen percent

982
00:47:06,200 --> 00:47:09,200
Speaker 3: to twenty percent targets per route and the yards per

983
00:47:09,239 --> 00:47:12,200
Speaker 3: route went from one point two to one point five.

984
00:47:12,280 --> 00:47:15,040
Speaker 3: So a lot of to met, you know, kind of

985
00:47:15,160 --> 00:47:19,840
Speaker 3: pop off did come with Mooney out. But there's also

986
00:47:19,960 --> 00:47:22,480
Speaker 3: just not that many tight ends to kind of choose

987
00:47:22,480 --> 00:47:25,319
Speaker 3: from once you get outside that top twelve or so,

988
00:47:25,320 --> 00:47:27,560
Speaker 3: So I don't know, what do you think of commit

989
00:47:27,640 --> 00:47:28,280
Speaker 3: at thirteen?

990
00:47:29,440 --> 00:47:32,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's it's tricky because you know, he talented tight end,

991
00:47:32,680 --> 00:47:34,600
Speaker 4: he's coming off a breakout season and you know he's

992
00:47:34,640 --> 00:47:37,399
Speaker 4: the tight end seven last year, but he only saw

993
00:47:37,400 --> 00:47:41,000
Speaker 4: a target on sixteen percent of his routes. But he

994
00:47:41,000 --> 00:47:43,279
Speaker 4: made it up for that by just running a ton

995
00:47:43,320 --> 00:47:46,280
Speaker 4: of routes. You know, he averaged an eighty five percent

996
00:47:46,400 --> 00:47:49,440
Speaker 4: routes run rate, which if you're investing in a low

997
00:47:49,600 --> 00:47:51,319
Speaker 4: end tight end one or high end tight end two,

998
00:47:51,760 --> 00:47:55,160
Speaker 4: is amazing. But he just didn't have much competition for targets.

999
00:47:55,520 --> 00:47:59,080
Speaker 4: So having a guy like DJ Moore there, you know,

1000
00:47:59,200 --> 00:48:03,120
Speaker 4: Darnell Mooney back will cut into his target chair, so

1001
00:48:03,160 --> 00:48:06,479
Speaker 4: that that's gonna sting, you know. Plus he cut seven

1002
00:48:06,520 --> 00:48:10,480
Speaker 4: touchdowns last year, forty one percent of Justin Field's touchdowns,

1003
00:48:10,520 --> 00:48:13,200
Speaker 4: so he should see more competition for touchdowns.

1004
00:48:13,200 --> 00:48:14,160
Speaker 1: So I think, you.

1005
00:48:14,120 --> 00:48:17,360
Speaker 4: Know, he's just due to regress in some of those areas.

1006
00:48:17,960 --> 00:48:19,960
Speaker 1: That that's why we liked him last year.

1007
00:48:20,000 --> 00:48:23,440
Speaker 4: So tight end twelve thirteen does seem a bit high.

1008
00:48:23,600 --> 00:48:26,880
Speaker 4: I don't know if he provides as high of a

1009
00:48:26,920 --> 00:48:31,319
Speaker 4: ceiling as like a Chigakwonku or even a dulsicch like

1010
00:48:31,920 --> 00:48:33,919
Speaker 4: I even like dulcitch over him right now.

1011
00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:36,360
Speaker 1: So I think if you were.

1012
00:48:36,160 --> 00:48:40,120
Speaker 4: To follow like tight end fifteen, like Tyler Higbee, he's yeah,

1013
00:48:40,120 --> 00:48:42,400
Speaker 4: I would take him probably tight end fifteen. So I

1014
00:48:42,480 --> 00:48:44,560
Speaker 4: just think in that tight end twelve tight end thirteen range,

1015
00:48:44,600 --> 00:48:46,400
Speaker 4: there's there's other guys on the board i'd rather have.

1016
00:48:47,680 --> 00:48:50,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's gone, He's gone a couple of spots too high.

1017
00:48:50,120 --> 00:48:54,280
Speaker 3: It starts to get ugly quick after that. Yeah, but yeah,

1018
00:48:54,440 --> 00:48:57,799
Speaker 3: the fact that we saw, you know, most is he

1019
00:48:57,840 --> 00:49:00,400
Speaker 3: had some like good touchdown up before Mooney down. But

1020
00:49:00,440 --> 00:49:03,080
Speaker 3: in terms of like the more predictive, stickier metrics like

1021
00:49:03,160 --> 00:49:06,520
Speaker 3: targets per route, the fact that that really spiked when

1022
00:49:06,520 --> 00:49:08,400
Speaker 3: Mooney was out and not now not only do you

1023
00:49:08,400 --> 00:49:11,680
Speaker 3: have Moony back, but you also have dj more here.

1024
00:49:13,239 --> 00:49:14,960
Speaker 3: The consistency, I think it's not going to be there.

1025
00:49:14,960 --> 00:49:17,160
Speaker 3: So in bestball as you're you know, as your tight

1026
00:49:17,239 --> 00:49:20,319
Speaker 3: end two, fine, but in redrafty it's gonna be tough.

1027
00:49:20,920 --> 00:49:23,880
Speaker 3: Tonyon is here now too. He saw he got about

1028
00:49:23,920 --> 00:49:27,200
Speaker 3: just over a mill guaranteed tight end forty.

1029
00:49:27,680 --> 00:49:28,120
Speaker 2: Uh.

1030
00:49:28,600 --> 00:49:31,160
Speaker 3: That's interesting. I feel like there's probably better guys you

1031
00:49:31,200 --> 00:49:34,520
Speaker 3: could take there pre I mean pres like he's before

1032
00:49:34,600 --> 00:49:37,800
Speaker 3: the injury, it was you know, his eight out was

1033
00:49:37,840 --> 00:49:41,160
Speaker 3: almost ten and he averaged almost twelve yards about eleven

1034
00:49:41,160 --> 00:49:42,880
Speaker 3: and a half yards of catch. And then after the

1035
00:49:42,920 --> 00:49:45,439
Speaker 3: injuries eight out went down a six. He averaged nine

1036
00:49:45,520 --> 00:49:49,360
Speaker 3: yards of catch. So I don't know if he bounced

1037
00:49:49,360 --> 00:49:52,520
Speaker 3: his back, but he never was like a top prospect

1038
00:49:53,560 --> 00:49:54,440
Speaker 3: former wide receiver.

1039
00:49:54,520 --> 00:49:57,240
Speaker 2: But like, yeah, I don't think he hits tight end forty.

1040
00:49:57,520 --> 00:50:00,439
Speaker 2: I don't. I don't see why you would, like Mike

1041
00:50:00,480 --> 00:50:01,200
Speaker 2: who trapped him.

1042
00:50:01,400 --> 00:50:05,640
Speaker 1: Absolutely no reason. You got kaye Atton, Logan Thomas.

1043
00:50:06,080 --> 00:50:09,759
Speaker 4: Yeah, like flyer on Noah Gray at taitand forty nine.

1044
00:50:09,800 --> 00:50:12,000
Speaker 4: If Kelsey were to miss time, there's they're just better

1045
00:50:12,040 --> 00:50:13,920
Speaker 4: flyers there than Kanyan.

1046
00:50:14,840 --> 00:50:15,680
Speaker 2: What about his backfield?

1047
00:50:15,719 --> 00:50:19,080
Speaker 3: You got Herbert at RB thirty five, Foreman got got

1048
00:50:19,560 --> 00:50:22,600
Speaker 3: signed for one year, two mil with another mill in

1049
00:50:22,640 --> 00:50:24,799
Speaker 3: incentives and one one mal guaranteed.

1050
00:50:25,160 --> 00:50:25,440
Speaker 2: Uh.

1051
00:50:25,480 --> 00:50:31,560
Speaker 3: And then Rashaan Johnson is a fourth rounder out of Texas.

1052
00:50:31,920 --> 00:50:34,480
Speaker 3: And I should also mention Travis Homer got got a

1053
00:50:34,600 --> 00:50:38,440
Speaker 3: one point seventy five MEL guaranteed, so he's making the team.

1054
00:50:38,600 --> 00:50:41,640
Speaker 3: So that just take that for what it will. But

1055
00:50:41,680 --> 00:50:43,880
Speaker 3: Travis Homer is gonna make this team. So what do

1056
00:50:43,880 --> 00:50:44,760
Speaker 3: you think of this backfield?

1057
00:50:45,640 --> 00:50:50,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, this is a mess, But I kind of like

1058
00:50:51,160 --> 00:50:55,839
Speaker 4: whill Herbert in the RB thirty five range. You know

1059
00:50:56,480 --> 00:50:59,720
Speaker 4: you can get him at a discount because he's fairly priced,

1060
00:50:59,719 --> 00:51:01,759
Speaker 4: because it does look like it could be a two

1061
00:51:01,800 --> 00:51:07,440
Speaker 4: to three way committee with Foreman and Johnson. Luke Getzky,

1062
00:51:07,480 --> 00:51:10,040
Speaker 4: the offensive corner, has even hinted at that, so it's

1063
00:51:10,120 --> 00:51:14,799
Speaker 4: not like a surprise. But I love Herbert's talent. He

1064
00:51:15,000 --> 00:51:17,440
Speaker 4: was second out of fifty nine running backs and I

1065
00:51:17,480 --> 00:51:20,920
Speaker 4: expected yards per carry model last year. Just every metric

1066
00:51:21,000 --> 00:51:25,840
Speaker 4: you look at like he's a legit back. Anytime Montgomery

1067
00:51:25,880 --> 00:51:28,319
Speaker 4: has missed timed the past couple of seasons, I mean,

1068
00:51:28,360 --> 00:51:31,759
Speaker 4: Herbert's been like a legit RB one RB two kind

1069
00:51:31,760 --> 00:51:36,800
Speaker 4: of producer. So in this range, you typically have running

1070
00:51:36,840 --> 00:51:40,800
Speaker 4: backs that kind of need a injury to provide value anyway,

1071
00:51:41,040 --> 00:51:43,640
Speaker 4: So Herbert does have a path where he's the workhorse

1072
00:51:43,680 --> 00:51:46,520
Speaker 4: back without any injury. So I think he has that

1073
00:51:46,600 --> 00:51:50,840
Speaker 4: sneaky upside in this range. Now there is some downside

1074
00:51:50,840 --> 00:51:54,160
Speaker 4: because you know, like a Deontay Foreman could handle more

1075
00:51:54,360 --> 00:51:59,799
Speaker 4: early down work than I'm expecting. Roshawn Johnson is a

1076
00:52:00,040 --> 00:52:01,880
Speaker 4: really good prospect out of the fourth round. I mean,

1077
00:52:01,960 --> 00:52:04,320
Speaker 4: he didn't produce much in college because he was backing

1078
00:52:04,360 --> 00:52:08,000
Speaker 4: up Bijon Robinson, but he's very talented, doesn't have much

1079
00:52:08,040 --> 00:52:10,960
Speaker 4: tread on his tires. You know, he's a really good

1080
00:52:10,960 --> 00:52:13,560
Speaker 4: pass blocker, so I think he could see passing down

1081
00:52:13,600 --> 00:52:15,759
Speaker 4: snaps early as a rookie. But that's not really the

1082
00:52:15,840 --> 00:52:18,560
Speaker 4: role that we're looking for on the Bear. So I

1083
00:52:18,640 --> 00:52:21,040
Speaker 4: think Herbert's the most likely back to be just an

1084
00:52:21,080 --> 00:52:26,200
Speaker 4: explosive early down runner. And why I still think he's

1085
00:52:26,200 --> 00:52:28,960
Speaker 4: offering some value at the RB thirty five slot.

1086
00:52:29,840 --> 00:52:32,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, with Monty and Herbert.

1087
00:52:32,480 --> 00:52:36,080
Speaker 3: Last year, Monty was RB twenty four and then Herbert

1088
00:52:36,280 --> 00:52:40,800
Speaker 3: was around RB forty, So like they could have.

1089
00:52:40,680 --> 00:52:42,839
Speaker 2: Two top forty guys.

1090
00:52:42,880 --> 00:52:46,759
Speaker 3: So you know, Herbert's thirty five form and forty five

1091
00:52:46,960 --> 00:52:47,800
Speaker 3: Johnson's fifty.

1092
00:52:48,040 --> 00:52:49,520
Speaker 2: One of these guys is going to be a bust.

1093
00:52:50,520 --> 00:52:51,120
Speaker 2: You don't know which.

1094
00:52:51,200 --> 00:52:54,840
Speaker 3: And the reason I mentioned Homer is because he actually

1095
00:52:54,880 --> 00:52:57,200
Speaker 3: may take a lot of like the up pass down

1096
00:52:57,200 --> 00:52:59,799
Speaker 3: snaps because he you know, he got more guaranteed money

1097
00:52:59,800 --> 00:53:05,440
Speaker 3: than Foreman, so almost double actually so. But the thing,

1098
00:53:05,520 --> 00:53:07,759
Speaker 3: so this might be a case where Johnson's just still

1099
00:53:07,800 --> 00:53:10,960
Speaker 3: a year away because if Homer starts the year is

1100
00:53:10,960 --> 00:53:14,120
Speaker 3: the passing now guy, and then Herbert was very good

1101
00:53:14,160 --> 00:53:16,279
Speaker 3: Wester and Foreman was also very good last year, so

1102
00:53:17,400 --> 00:53:19,840
Speaker 3: you know, we'll have to monitor that. But I think

1103
00:53:20,120 --> 00:53:22,600
Speaker 3: it will probably be Herbert and then either Foreman or

1104
00:53:22,719 --> 00:53:25,360
Speaker 3: Johnson as the as like the guy who gets the

1105
00:53:25,600 --> 00:53:27,879
Speaker 3: you know, the the is the one B and then

1106
00:53:28,200 --> 00:53:30,239
Speaker 3: Homer will be you know, special teams and maybe the

1107
00:53:30,280 --> 00:53:34,360
Speaker 3: occasional you know, hurry up, two minute drill type of situation.

1108
00:53:34,480 --> 00:53:36,839
Speaker 2: But as of right now, you agree, I think Herbert.

1109
00:53:36,600 --> 00:53:38,840
Speaker 3: Is the safest play, and then we just have to

1110
00:53:38,920 --> 00:53:43,560
Speaker 3: kind of monitor Foreman and Johnson. But right now, I mean,

1111
00:53:43,640 --> 00:53:47,920
Speaker 3: Johnson's probably a bit overvalue just because, uh, you know,

1112
00:53:47,960 --> 00:53:49,799
Speaker 3: I think he's still third on the depth chart. He's

1113
00:53:49,800 --> 00:53:52,800
Speaker 3: still a Day three pick, and you still have Homer,

1114
00:53:53,239 --> 00:53:56,560
Speaker 3: who could you know, if passing snaps as his calling card,

1115
00:53:56,560 --> 00:53:58,960
Speaker 3: I mean, still have Homer there too, even though Johnson

1116
00:53:59,000 --> 00:54:01,359
Speaker 3: is a bigger guy. But yeah, so that that's kind

1117
00:54:01,360 --> 00:54:05,360
Speaker 3: of how I'm looking at it. Okay, So who do

1118
00:54:05,360 --> 00:54:07,719
Speaker 3: you like undervalued guy sleepers on the Bears?

1119
00:54:08,360 --> 00:54:11,400
Speaker 4: H Herbert because obviously there's some reskue he might not

1120
00:54:11,440 --> 00:54:13,960
Speaker 4: be the week one starter, but that's that's every running

1121
00:54:14,000 --> 00:54:16,960
Speaker 4: back in this range really, but he's the rare back

1122
00:54:17,080 --> 00:54:19,640
Speaker 4: in this range that could be the week one starter.

1123
00:54:20,280 --> 00:54:22,360
Speaker 4: He doesn't really need an injury to hit value. So

1124
00:54:22,440 --> 00:54:25,400
Speaker 4: that's why I think RB thirty five seems like a

1125
00:54:25,400 --> 00:54:27,640
Speaker 4: fair price. But I think he's still sneaky there.

1126
00:54:28,640 --> 00:54:31,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean yeah, I think like it's tough. I

1127
00:54:32,000 --> 00:54:32,600
Speaker 2: was a little hot.

1128
00:54:32,600 --> 00:54:34,239
Speaker 3: I think he was like an RB forty range. I

1129
00:54:34,239 --> 00:54:36,440
Speaker 3: was a little higher. Now I think he's like fairly valued.

1130
00:54:36,440 --> 00:54:39,359
Speaker 3: But I see the point, like especially with Monty, you know,

1131
00:54:39,560 --> 00:54:41,520
Speaker 3: going his RB twenty four, and you still had Herbert,

1132
00:54:41,560 --> 00:54:44,359
Speaker 3: you know, kind of in that top forty. Herbert's probably

1133
00:54:44,400 --> 00:54:46,080
Speaker 3: not gonna be the odd man out, even if it's

1134
00:54:46,080 --> 00:54:47,880
Speaker 3: probably gonna be one of the two or other guys.

1135
00:54:47,920 --> 00:54:50,080
Speaker 2: So I definitely take your point.

1136
00:54:50,120 --> 00:54:52,040
Speaker 3: For me, it's it's actually justin fields, even though he's

1137
00:54:52,040 --> 00:54:54,200
Speaker 3: going at QB six, Like I just think the overall,

1138
00:54:54,280 --> 00:54:57,120
Speaker 3: you know, going around you know, forty you know, just

1139
00:54:57,200 --> 00:54:59,760
Speaker 3: around the end of the fourth round, beginning of the fifth.

1140
00:55:00,360 --> 00:55:02,200
Speaker 3: I actually think he should be going a little bit

1141
00:55:02,239 --> 00:55:03,839
Speaker 3: higher than that, because again, I think he could score

1142
00:55:03,880 --> 00:55:07,319
Speaker 3: the most points of any player in Fantasy this year,

1143
00:55:07,760 --> 00:55:09,239
Speaker 3: and we're kind of just you know, he's kind of

1144
00:55:09,280 --> 00:55:12,120
Speaker 3: just in that middle middle TB range. But you know,

1145
00:55:12,560 --> 00:55:15,759
Speaker 3: if we've learned anything from Hurts and Allen over these

1146
00:55:15,840 --> 00:55:17,759
Speaker 3: years is that you know, when when you have this

1147
00:55:17,840 --> 00:55:21,360
Speaker 3: rushing upside, doesn't take doesn't take much, just a little

1148
00:55:21,360 --> 00:55:24,520
Speaker 3: bit of an increase in efficiency or and or volume,

1149
00:55:25,040 --> 00:55:25,759
Speaker 3: we'll get you there.

1150
00:55:25,800 --> 00:55:28,080
Speaker 2: So, yeah, like fields a lot.

1151
00:55:28,680 --> 00:55:32,000
Speaker 4: What about Bust, No one really because I think there's

1152
00:55:32,040 --> 00:55:33,560
Speaker 4: a ton of potential on this team.

1153
00:55:33,560 --> 00:55:36,640
Speaker 1: But Dj Moore, I don't love him at.

1154
00:55:36,560 --> 00:55:38,359
Speaker 4: Wide receiver twenty two, but you kind of mentioned if

1155
00:55:38,360 --> 00:55:41,319
Speaker 4: he falls still like wide receiver twenty five, all take him.

1156
00:55:41,920 --> 00:55:45,359
Speaker 4: I would definitely stack him with justin Field. So while

1157
00:55:45,360 --> 00:55:47,359
Speaker 4: I'm a little bit lower on More, I don't think

1158
00:55:47,360 --> 00:55:50,160
Speaker 4: he's a potential bust. I think you know, you can

1159
00:55:50,239 --> 00:55:52,000
Speaker 4: find a lot of value in this offense right now.

1160
00:55:52,680 --> 00:55:53,279
Speaker 2: Yeah for ya.

1161
00:55:53,360 --> 00:55:56,800
Speaker 3: For me, it's it's it's definitely Tony in I don't

1162
00:55:56,840 --> 00:55:59,839
Speaker 3: think he hits the tight end forty, but uh, there's

1163
00:56:00,120 --> 00:56:02,680
Speaker 3: I will also say one of the two of four

1164
00:56:02,760 --> 00:56:04,759
Speaker 3: men or of Johnson, is probably busted right now.

1165
00:56:04,800 --> 00:56:07,319
Speaker 2: I would lean Johnson, but this is.

1166
00:56:07,320 --> 00:56:09,080
Speaker 3: Just you know, there's no way to know until you

1167
00:56:09,120 --> 00:56:10,480
Speaker 3: know there's gonna be a battle.

1168
00:56:10,480 --> 00:56:14,080
Speaker 2: They've said that, so we just have to monitor it.

1169
00:56:14,400 --> 00:56:14,680
Speaker 1: All right.

1170
00:56:14,760 --> 00:56:18,640
Speaker 3: Let's finish up with the green Bay Packers. Jeordan Love

1171
00:56:18,880 --> 00:56:22,080
Speaker 3: QB twenty three, And I think the thing that sticks

1172
00:56:22,080 --> 00:56:23,879
Speaker 3: out to me about Love is not just that Love

1173
00:56:24,000 --> 00:56:27,839
Speaker 3: is inexperienced in terms of you know, starts. He still

1174
00:56:27,880 --> 00:56:30,799
Speaker 3: got fewer than one hundred attempts, but this may be

1175
00:56:30,800 --> 00:56:35,319
Speaker 3: one of the least experienced youngest.

1176
00:56:35,800 --> 00:56:38,439
Speaker 2: Receiving cores that we've ever seen either.

1177
00:56:38,480 --> 00:56:41,359
Speaker 3: I mean, you got Christian Watson and Dobbs our year

1178
00:56:41,400 --> 00:56:43,960
Speaker 3: two guys, and those are like the veterans here and

1179
00:56:44,000 --> 00:56:46,279
Speaker 3: then both you know, and now you got Muskrave and Craft,

1180
00:56:46,360 --> 00:56:50,000
Speaker 3: the two rookies at tight end. Jaden Reed's another rookie

1181
00:56:50,000 --> 00:56:51,680
Speaker 3: at wide receiver that may end up starting. I mean,

1182
00:56:51,719 --> 00:56:55,759
Speaker 3: this is just a really young pass catching course. So

1183
00:56:55,800 --> 00:56:58,200
Speaker 3: what do you think of this whole the passing game

1184
00:56:58,239 --> 00:56:59,120
Speaker 3: for Green Bay this year?

1185
00:56:59,719 --> 00:57:04,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's hard he's he's such an unknown heading into

1186
00:57:04,239 --> 00:57:06,600
Speaker 4: year three. He was a first round pick, but he's

1187
00:57:06,600 --> 00:57:09,319
Speaker 4: only made the one start. But I've watched him. He's

1188
00:57:09,360 --> 00:57:12,120
Speaker 4: played a ton in preseason and he's okay. He has

1189
00:57:12,160 --> 00:57:14,880
Speaker 4: some rushing upside, but I think it's what you said,

1190
00:57:14,960 --> 00:57:16,439
Speaker 4: just the surrounding.

1191
00:57:15,920 --> 00:57:20,320
Speaker 1: Talent is lacking. And I love Christian Watson.

1192
00:57:20,400 --> 00:57:23,280
Speaker 4: I mean, he really flashes the rookie, but if he

1193
00:57:23,360 --> 00:57:25,680
Speaker 4: were to ever miss time like that's gonna be just

1194
00:57:25,680 --> 00:57:27,080
Speaker 4: such a massive.

1195
00:57:26,680 --> 00:57:27,320
Speaker 1: Blow to love.

1196
00:57:27,840 --> 00:57:30,680
Speaker 4: And you know, Watson, he was dealing with a ton

1197
00:57:30,760 --> 00:57:34,840
Speaker 4: of soft tissue injuries. He plays with reckless abandon so

1198
00:57:34,920 --> 00:57:37,960
Speaker 4: he seems like a permanent injury risk just the way

1199
00:57:38,000 --> 00:57:41,280
Speaker 4: he plays. So I would be very worried if Watson's

1200
00:57:41,320 --> 00:57:43,439
Speaker 4: ever out of the lineup. So that's kind of why

1201
00:57:43,480 --> 00:57:46,000
Speaker 4: I'm staying away because I just don't see who else

1202
00:57:46,120 --> 00:57:50,439
Speaker 4: could step up. So, you know, the ADP around wide

1203
00:57:50,480 --> 00:57:55,000
Speaker 4: receiver twenty three, it seems fair, But I just think

1204
00:57:55,000 --> 00:57:58,120
Speaker 4: there's too much downside here to be taking love because

1205
00:57:58,280 --> 00:58:00,680
Speaker 4: just like I said, there's he's said unknown.

1206
00:58:02,000 --> 00:58:03,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think in basketball it makes sense because I

1207
00:58:03,840 --> 00:58:06,120
Speaker 3: don't think he gets benched, you know what I mean, Right,

1208
00:58:07,680 --> 00:58:09,840
Speaker 3: if you could get him free, I think what Clifford

1209
00:58:09,880 --> 00:58:11,400
Speaker 3: is behind him, So I think you know you can

1210
00:58:11,480 --> 00:58:12,520
Speaker 3: Danny Etling.

1211
00:58:12,600 --> 00:58:14,960
Speaker 1: Thin and stack him with Watson for sure.

1212
00:58:15,000 --> 00:58:15,840
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

1213
00:58:15,840 --> 00:58:18,280
Speaker 3: Because Watson's going around wide receiver twenty seven over the

1214
00:58:18,280 --> 00:58:20,760
Speaker 3: past four weeks. I think that's a pretty good value.

1215
00:58:20,760 --> 00:58:23,520
Speaker 3: His targets per route rate was twenty five percent last year.

1216
00:58:23,800 --> 00:58:26,919
Speaker 3: Now you have no lazard, so this is this could

1217
00:58:26,920 --> 00:58:29,280
Speaker 3: be like another just massive, Like I'm sure he's not

1218
00:58:29,320 --> 00:58:31,040
Speaker 3: gonna just house.

1219
00:58:30,720 --> 00:58:35,040
Speaker 2: Every freaking catch, you know for a touchdown. But the

1220
00:58:35,320 --> 00:58:36,600
Speaker 2: you know, just his.

1221
00:58:36,680 --> 00:58:39,720
Speaker 3: Target rate was ammtcuate and you kind of mentioned it.

1222
00:58:39,760 --> 00:58:42,680
Speaker 3: You know, there's a lot of young guys here. I

1223
00:58:42,680 --> 00:58:45,200
Speaker 3: think Dovs has some breakout potential to his He was

1224
00:58:45,360 --> 00:58:47,760
Speaker 3: twenty one percent targets per rout, which is not bad.

1225
00:58:47,840 --> 00:58:50,920
Speaker 3: He just kind of got squeezed once Watson broke out

1226
00:58:50,960 --> 00:58:51,640
Speaker 3: and he got hurt.

1227
00:58:51,760 --> 00:58:53,240
Speaker 2: But uh, you know, the.

1228
00:58:53,320 --> 00:58:55,440
Speaker 3: Flour has been talking him up, Love has been spending

1229
00:58:55,800 --> 00:58:57,240
Speaker 3: a lot of off season time with him, so I

1230
00:58:57,240 --> 00:58:59,800
Speaker 3: think he'll be the clear number two wide receiver. Sixty

1231
00:58:59,800 --> 00:59:01,640
Speaker 3: one is probably a little bit of value here because

1232
00:59:01,640 --> 00:59:05,000
Speaker 3: I mean beyond I mean Jayden Reid's going to wide

1233
00:59:05,000 --> 00:59:08,000
Speaker 3: receiver eighty, but he's more of like a gadget guy

1234
00:59:08,200 --> 00:59:10,680
Speaker 3: could start in a slot. And then the tight end

1235
00:59:10,800 --> 00:59:12,280
Speaker 3: is just I mean you got musk Grave, who was

1236
00:59:12,440 --> 00:59:15,360
Speaker 3: a second rounder, could have maybe had some like Kincaid

1237
00:59:15,560 --> 00:59:18,200
Speaker 3: like Buzz but missed all last year with a uh

1238
00:59:18,880 --> 00:59:22,240
Speaker 3: a knee, and then you have you have Craft also,

1239
00:59:22,320 --> 00:59:25,200
Speaker 3: So it's just so tight ends, you know, usually don't

1240
00:59:25,200 --> 00:59:26,240
Speaker 3: pan out that quickly.

1241
00:59:27,720 --> 00:59:29,560
Speaker 2: So yeah, I feel like it's Watts.

1242
00:59:29,640 --> 00:59:31,680
Speaker 3: Wats is going to be a massive target hug, and

1243
00:59:31,720 --> 00:59:33,680
Speaker 3: then Dobb is probably going to be a clear second

1244
00:59:34,320 --> 00:59:38,320
Speaker 3: and between try Aaron Jones d right, I mean yeah, yeah,

1245
00:59:38,560 --> 00:59:40,160
Speaker 3: I don't know how else that that's gonna go.

1246
00:59:41,320 --> 00:59:43,080
Speaker 2: Any thoughts on any of the young guys.

1247
00:59:43,120 --> 00:59:45,080
Speaker 3: I mean reads again read his eighty at wide receiver,

1248
00:59:45,480 --> 00:59:48,480
Speaker 3: mus Grave thirty four a tight end and Craft forty six.

1249
00:59:49,040 --> 00:59:52,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, so I think if if Chrish Watson stays healthy,

1250
00:59:52,320 --> 00:59:54,680
Speaker 4: he will be his ADP. So that's really the only

1251
00:59:54,760 --> 00:59:56,920
Speaker 4: question you have to ask when you take him. I

1252
00:59:56,920 --> 00:59:59,040
Speaker 4: think he's QB proof. I mean, he caught that sixty

1253
00:59:59,080 --> 01:00:02,680
Speaker 4: three hour touchdown from or in Love down the stretch

1254
01:00:02,760 --> 01:00:06,640
Speaker 4: last season, so I think he can still provide wide

1255
01:00:06,680 --> 01:00:09,080
Speaker 4: receiver two numbers without Aaron Rodgers.

1256
01:00:10,000 --> 01:00:11,280
Speaker 1: Dobbs I think is interesting.

1257
01:00:11,320 --> 01:00:13,800
Speaker 4: You know, he had a ton of momentum heading into

1258
01:00:13,920 --> 01:00:17,520
Speaker 4: last season as the potential DeVante Adams replacement, and he

1259
01:00:17,640 --> 01:00:19,800
Speaker 4: was really good in weeks one through forties the wide

1260
01:00:19,840 --> 01:00:22,560
Speaker 4: receiver thirty six, but like you said, just due to

1261
01:00:22,600 --> 01:00:25,960
Speaker 4: the mergence of Christian Watson due to injuries to Dobbs,

1262
01:00:26,400 --> 01:00:30,360
Speaker 4: he faded out towards the end, but they lost Lazard

1263
01:00:30,480 --> 01:00:32,680
Speaker 4: and Cobb, so I think he should be the number

1264
01:00:32,680 --> 01:00:36,360
Speaker 4: two target. So I like him at ADP. I think

1265
01:00:36,440 --> 01:00:39,280
Speaker 4: Jayden Reid is very interesting. You know, he's second round

1266
01:00:39,280 --> 01:00:42,760
Speaker 4: pick out of Michigan State, talented return guy. He might

1267
01:00:42,880 --> 01:00:45,720
Speaker 4: need to, you know, work on route running, but I

1268
01:00:45,720 --> 01:00:47,080
Speaker 4: mean he could get thrown out of the fire. They

1269
01:00:47,080 --> 01:00:50,000
Speaker 4: don't really have much going on, So I do like

1270
01:00:50,040 --> 01:00:52,360
Speaker 4: his upside. He kind of reminds me of a slower

1271
01:00:52,400 --> 01:00:55,680
Speaker 4: Tyreek Hill if you watch his film, Like he's not

1272
01:00:55,680 --> 01:00:57,640
Speaker 4: getting really burn guys. But he does have some really

1273
01:00:57,680 --> 01:01:00,080
Speaker 4: good moves. You know, he's a good returner, so so

1274
01:01:00,440 --> 01:01:03,240
Speaker 4: he could flash in the slot and he has this

1275
01:01:03,240 --> 01:01:06,240
Speaker 4: this is the best landing spot I could imagine for him.

1276
01:01:06,600 --> 01:01:09,160
Speaker 4: So I think he's a he's worth a flyer at

1277
01:01:09,160 --> 01:01:12,440
Speaker 4: wide receiver eighty and I actually do like Luke Muskgrave.

1278
01:01:12,760 --> 01:01:15,760
Speaker 4: He's going at tight end thirty four. He's like a

1279
01:01:15,840 --> 01:01:19,480
Speaker 4: cheaper version of Sam Laporta. I would say, second round

1280
01:01:19,480 --> 01:01:21,720
Speaker 4: pick out of Oregon State, one of the better pass

1281
01:01:21,760 --> 01:01:26,320
Speaker 4: catching tight ends from this class. He's not some possession

1282
01:01:26,400 --> 01:01:29,160
Speaker 4: tight end either. He has some serious speed so he

1283
01:01:29,200 --> 01:01:31,120
Speaker 4: can you know, he's one of those guys like at

1284
01:01:31,200 --> 01:01:34,000
Speaker 4: Chiga Cwonker were projecting his average catch like twelve point

1285
01:01:34,040 --> 01:01:37,000
Speaker 4: five or something. He reminds me of My comp for

1286
01:01:37,080 --> 01:01:40,840
Speaker 4: him was Greg Dolcic, very similar type of player, so

1287
01:01:40,840 --> 01:01:43,880
Speaker 4: I think he could hit near one. Their depth chart

1288
01:01:43,920 --> 01:01:46,040
Speaker 4: at tight end is pretty weak, so I would not

1289
01:01:46,160 --> 01:01:49,120
Speaker 4: be shocked if he's the Week one starter. So I

1290
01:01:49,240 --> 01:01:52,240
Speaker 4: like his adp at tight end thirty four. If you

1291
01:01:52,280 --> 01:01:55,360
Speaker 4: miss out on Sam Laporta, you get a similar type

1292
01:01:55,360 --> 01:01:58,280
Speaker 4: of tight end in a similar situation, albeit not as

1293
01:01:58,320 --> 01:02:00,920
Speaker 4: good of an offense. And Luke musk Grave, so I

1294
01:02:00,960 --> 01:02:03,520
Speaker 4: think he's pretty sneaky later and drops.

1295
01:02:04,040 --> 01:02:06,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, he could be like an athletic starting like almost

1296
01:02:06,600 --> 01:02:08,640
Speaker 3: like a a SICKI or somebody like an athletic starting

1297
01:02:08,680 --> 01:02:11,680
Speaker 3: tight end, but if he has still something to matter obviously,

1298
01:02:11,680 --> 01:02:14,360
Speaker 3: because they also got Tucker Kraft around later and you know,

1299
01:02:14,360 --> 01:02:16,000
Speaker 3: there's still Duguire there.

1300
01:02:16,040 --> 01:02:18,240
Speaker 2: I believe in who else is there? All right, David?

1301
01:02:18,320 --> 01:02:21,160
Speaker 2: So they never never quit, they never quit on him.

1302
01:02:21,880 --> 01:02:23,120
Speaker 2: So but but yeah, no, I agree.

1303
01:02:23,120 --> 01:02:25,880
Speaker 3: I think Musgrave if he's like he could be a starter,

1304
01:02:26,000 --> 01:02:28,880
Speaker 3: and he's going like outside the top thirty two, so

1305
01:02:28,920 --> 01:02:30,720
Speaker 3: that that is something to kind of mind.

1306
01:02:30,720 --> 01:02:32,960
Speaker 2: There's still makes more sense in best ball obviously.

1307
01:02:33,000 --> 01:02:34,960
Speaker 3: I don't think even if he does start, it's going

1308
01:02:35,040 --> 01:02:39,040
Speaker 3: to be very consistently. And then the backfield, Jones is

1309
01:02:39,120 --> 01:02:41,480
Speaker 3: RB seventeen, Dylan is RB thirty three.

1310
01:02:41,720 --> 01:02:44,320
Speaker 1: What do you think, Oh yeah, this is tricky.

1311
01:02:44,440 --> 01:02:48,880
Speaker 4: I mean Aaron Jones, I don't love him at RB seventeen.

1312
01:02:48,920 --> 01:02:51,280
Speaker 4: But that's really where the running back position gets dicey,

1313
01:02:51,920 --> 01:02:54,960
Speaker 4: where you can complain about everybody. But last year it

1314
01:02:55,000 --> 01:02:57,840
Speaker 4: was it was pretty even committee with Dylan. You know,

1315
01:02:58,520 --> 01:03:02,400
Speaker 4: Jones routes run rate were Dylan was up the forty

1316
01:03:02,440 --> 01:03:04,600
Speaker 4: one percent like that. It was surprising to see Dylan

1317
01:03:04,960 --> 01:03:08,000
Speaker 4: as involved in the passing game. Jones had forty eight

1318
01:03:08,040 --> 01:03:11,600
Speaker 4: percent of the rushing attempts. Dylan forty one percent, So

1319
01:03:11,640 --> 01:03:14,200
Speaker 4: that's that's not ideal in an offense that could take

1320
01:03:14,200 --> 01:03:16,520
Speaker 4: a step back under Jordan Love.

1321
01:03:16,600 --> 01:03:18,320
Speaker 1: Plus Love will be more.

1322
01:03:18,360 --> 01:03:21,040
Speaker 4: He's not like Justin Fields type, but he is going

1323
01:03:21,120 --> 01:03:23,880
Speaker 4: to scramble more than Aaron Rodgers, so that that could

1324
01:03:23,960 --> 01:03:27,480
Speaker 4: hurt Aaron Jones checkdown numbers. But like you said, Jones

1325
01:03:27,800 --> 01:03:30,920
Speaker 4: could be the number three target in this offense. I

1326
01:03:31,000 --> 01:03:33,840
Speaker 4: just don't like his touch on upside in the Jordan

1327
01:03:33,880 --> 01:03:38,080
Speaker 4: Love era. So RB seventeen seems like a fair price,

1328
01:03:38,120 --> 01:03:40,000
Speaker 4: but I probably won't be going on my way to

1329
01:03:40,000 --> 01:03:40,560
Speaker 4: get him here.

1330
01:03:41,280 --> 01:03:42,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a fair price.

1331
01:03:42,360 --> 01:03:42,600
Speaker 1: I think.

1332
01:03:42,600 --> 01:03:45,440
Speaker 3: You know, he's averaged sixteen touches for eighty nine yards

1333
01:03:45,440 --> 01:03:49,000
Speaker 3: per game last year. His touchdown rate has been kind

1334
01:03:49,000 --> 01:03:51,800
Speaker 3: of decreasing on the rushing side, but he did catch

1335
01:03:51,800 --> 01:03:54,960
Speaker 3: five receiving touchdowns, so I think his upside is going

1336
01:03:55,000 --> 01:03:56,280
Speaker 3: to lie in the passing game.

1337
01:03:57,680 --> 01:04:02,160
Speaker 2: He was the RB He was like an RB one in.

1338
01:04:02,600 --> 01:04:06,760
Speaker 3: Uh last season and he's been He's never been lower

1339
01:04:06,800 --> 01:04:08,560
Speaker 3: than seventeen in the last five years.

1340
01:04:08,720 --> 01:04:10,040
Speaker 2: Obviously Aaron Rodgers was there.

1341
01:04:10,040 --> 01:04:11,800
Speaker 3: But yeah, I think he's kind of like he's not

1342
01:04:11,840 --> 01:04:14,360
Speaker 3: a sexy pick anymore, but he's still probably going to

1343
01:04:14,440 --> 01:04:16,760
Speaker 3: be more efficient than doing and still see more touches

1344
01:04:16,760 --> 01:04:20,680
Speaker 3: than doing. It's just the consistency with the with this offense,

1345
01:04:20,800 --> 01:04:23,920
Speaker 3: you know, the touchdowns probably won't be there. So some

1346
01:04:23,960 --> 01:04:25,960
Speaker 3: weeks Aaron Jones will have like twelve touches for like

1347
01:04:26,000 --> 01:04:28,040
Speaker 3: fifty five yards and yeah, that's.

1348
01:04:27,920 --> 01:04:30,160
Speaker 1: It'll He'll be turning twenty nine this year.

1349
01:04:30,400 --> 01:04:32,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, although no real signs of a slowdown to be.

1350
01:04:32,400 --> 01:04:36,040
Speaker 4: No, but it can happen pretty fast and he's definitely,

1351
01:04:36,120 --> 01:04:38,240
Speaker 4: you know, probably going to be in the decline phase

1352
01:04:38,280 --> 01:04:38,920
Speaker 4: at twenty nine.

1353
01:04:39,080 --> 01:04:42,920
Speaker 3: So Dylan's interestingly enough, been declining his yards after contact

1354
01:04:43,040 --> 01:04:44,960
Speaker 3: three point six his first year, three point two, his

1355
01:04:44,960 --> 01:04:46,360
Speaker 3: second year two point nine is third.

1356
01:04:46,440 --> 01:04:51,400
Speaker 2: So it's it's it's it's kind of weird. But any

1357
01:04:51,400 --> 01:04:53,440
Speaker 2: thoughts on doing it? Thirty three? I do you think?

1358
01:04:53,880 --> 01:04:56,200
Speaker 3: I mean, if you think of Jones's decline, do you

1359
01:04:56,520 --> 01:04:58,640
Speaker 3: are do you like Dylan or you think he's kind

1360
01:04:58,640 --> 01:05:01,120
Speaker 3: of also going to be just by this offense.

1361
01:05:01,560 --> 01:05:03,360
Speaker 1: I think he probably benefit.

1362
01:05:03,560 --> 01:05:05,800
Speaker 4: He's going to be hurt by the fact that they're

1363
01:05:05,800 --> 01:05:09,680
Speaker 4: gonna have less positive game scripts potentially. So I don't

1364
01:05:09,720 --> 01:05:13,439
Speaker 4: like Dylan either, although he does see a pretty big

1365
01:05:13,480 --> 01:05:17,560
Speaker 4: workload for someone being drafted in the RB thirty to

1366
01:05:17,560 --> 01:05:18,360
Speaker 4: thirty five range.

1367
01:05:18,440 --> 01:05:19,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, touches the game.

1368
01:05:19,960 --> 01:05:20,920
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, exactly.

1369
01:05:20,960 --> 01:05:24,160
Speaker 4: So usually those are guys that they probably need injury

1370
01:05:24,320 --> 01:05:28,280
Speaker 4: to provide flex value he can, and then obviously he

1371
01:05:28,320 --> 01:05:31,160
Speaker 4: has RB two upside if Jones were to miss time.

1372
01:05:31,280 --> 01:05:34,560
Speaker 4: So normally I'm a big Dylan guy. But that that

1373
01:05:34,640 --> 01:05:37,800
Speaker 4: was with Aaron Rodgers, the future Hall of Fame quarterback

1374
01:05:38,200 --> 01:05:40,520
Speaker 4: under center. So just I think, just with Jordan Love there,

1375
01:05:41,320 --> 01:05:43,480
Speaker 4: Dylan is the player specifically, I think it might hurt

1376
01:05:43,520 --> 01:05:46,960
Speaker 4: the most. So you know, I'm not getting a bunch

1377
01:05:47,000 --> 01:05:48,880
Speaker 4: of Dylan RB thirty three even.

1378
01:05:49,360 --> 01:05:52,400
Speaker 3: I mean, to be fair, a lot of like what

1379
01:05:52,480 --> 01:05:55,160
Speaker 3: Aaron Rodgers, what they're losing in terms if you compare

1380
01:05:55,200 --> 01:05:57,520
Speaker 3: it to last year is intangible based because like the

1381
01:05:57,600 --> 01:06:00,640
Speaker 3: actual numbers for Rogers last year six point eight yards

1382
01:06:00,640 --> 01:06:04,600
Speaker 3: in attempt, uh, two hundred and seventeen passing yards a game,

1383
01:06:05,640 --> 01:06:08,520
Speaker 3: twenty six touchdowns, which that that's fairly good but kind

1384
01:06:08,520 --> 01:06:11,440
Speaker 3: of more average than good. But like that they're really losing,

1385
01:06:11,640 --> 01:06:14,560
Speaker 3: like they're actually losing in many metrics up a low

1386
01:06:14,600 --> 01:06:15,840
Speaker 3: average quarterback from last year.

1387
01:06:15,840 --> 01:06:17,680
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, so like that.

1388
01:06:17,320 --> 01:06:19,200
Speaker 3: That is the one thing that's interesting, like like Ken

1389
01:06:19,240 --> 01:06:21,360
Speaker 3: Love gets to sixty point eight yards per attempt with

1390
01:06:21,560 --> 01:06:23,920
Speaker 3: you know, mid twenty touchdowns in seventeen games.

1391
01:06:23,960 --> 01:06:27,560
Speaker 4: Maybe I think a lot of this Yeah, no, I

1392
01:06:27,560 --> 01:06:29,120
Speaker 4: I take your point. I think a lot of this

1393
01:06:29,280 --> 01:06:31,560
Speaker 4: is losing DeVante Adams. I think that was such a

1394
01:06:31,600 --> 01:06:32,440
Speaker 4: big loss.

1395
01:06:32,680 --> 01:06:35,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't think drones are doing as sexy,

1396
01:06:36,160 --> 01:06:37,200
Speaker 2: but I think they're fine.

1397
01:06:37,240 --> 01:06:40,200
Speaker 3: Like, I don't think you're gonna they're gonna lose your league.

1398
01:06:40,360 --> 01:06:44,800
Speaker 3: I could be yeah, yeah, especially because with less other

1399
01:06:44,920 --> 01:06:47,760
Speaker 3: skill talent, you know, and such young and so much

1400
01:06:47,880 --> 01:06:49,800
Speaker 3: use everywhere. I think it's gonna be a pretty running

1401
01:06:49,800 --> 01:06:53,040
Speaker 3: back center offense too, so as much as it can be.

1402
01:06:53,640 --> 01:06:55,920
Speaker 2: Give me the game scripts. But all right, who do

1403
01:06:56,000 --> 01:06:58,840
Speaker 2: you like for sleepers or undervalue guys on the Packers?

1404
01:06:59,440 --> 01:07:02,080
Speaker 4: Just based on ADP, I think Luke Musgrave as the

1405
01:07:02,120 --> 01:07:05,880
Speaker 4: tight end thirty four This is best ball only. I think,

1406
01:07:06,000 --> 01:07:08,920
Speaker 4: you know, if you have a Jordan Love, Christian Watson,

1407
01:07:09,280 --> 01:07:11,600
Speaker 4: Luke Muskgrave Stack, I think that makes that makes a

1408
01:07:11,640 --> 01:07:14,440
Speaker 4: ton of sense. But he's a good backup plan if

1409
01:07:14,440 --> 01:07:17,480
Speaker 4: Samuel Porta gets drafted in the you know, tight end

1410
01:07:17,560 --> 01:07:20,840
Speaker 4: twenty four range. I think Musgrave has similar upside in

1411
01:07:20,880 --> 01:07:23,959
Speaker 4: this offense. I love the talent too, so I gotta

1412
01:07:24,000 --> 01:07:25,120
Speaker 4: go with Musgrave.

1413
01:07:25,160 --> 01:07:26,000
Speaker 2: You know, I like that call.

1414
01:07:26,240 --> 01:07:28,560
Speaker 3: I'm going Christian Watson first and foremost. I think he

1415
01:07:28,600 --> 01:07:31,160
Speaker 3: could smash wide receivers twenty seven. He could be a

1416
01:07:31,160 --> 01:07:32,840
Speaker 3: guy that gets targeted, you know, on thirty percent of

1417
01:07:32,840 --> 01:07:35,800
Speaker 3: his routes this year. And I also think Romeo Dobbs

1418
01:07:35,800 --> 01:07:39,000
Speaker 3: can beat his adp at you know, outside the top sixty,

1419
01:07:39,120 --> 01:07:41,960
Speaker 3: because I think this could just be a very kind

1420
01:07:41,960 --> 01:07:45,280
Speaker 3: of concentrated offense, you know, with Watson as a number one,

1421
01:07:45,320 --> 01:07:47,640
Speaker 3: I think Dobbs is kind of has a leg up

1422
01:07:47,640 --> 01:07:49,160
Speaker 3: on everyone else. Is kind of that clear number two,

1423
01:07:49,240 --> 01:07:52,080
Speaker 3: especially with no real threat at tight end, and you

1424
01:07:52,120 --> 01:07:54,280
Speaker 3: know in terms of like a massive target high or

1425
01:07:54,280 --> 01:07:58,600
Speaker 3: anything like that. So Watson is number one. Dobbs as well,

1426
01:07:58,640 --> 01:08:02,200
Speaker 3: I think has some value. What about overvalue guys or busts.

1427
01:08:02,840 --> 01:08:06,080
Speaker 4: I don't think anybody's you know, being drafted too high.

1428
01:08:06,320 --> 01:08:09,240
Speaker 4: I think the one player I'm gonna have less of

1429
01:08:09,280 --> 01:08:11,400
Speaker 4: for sure this year's AJ Dillon usually have a ton

1430
01:08:11,440 --> 01:08:15,160
Speaker 4: of him. I just think Aaron Jones still being there,

1431
01:08:15,640 --> 01:08:18,320
Speaker 4: the fact that they you know their wintal seven and

1432
01:08:18,360 --> 01:08:20,599
Speaker 4: a half, they're gonna have less positive game scripts.

1433
01:08:20,800 --> 01:08:21,880
Speaker 1: I think Dylan gets the.

1434
01:08:21,840 --> 01:08:24,720
Speaker 4: Biggest set, but he'll cash in at this ADP if

1435
01:08:24,760 --> 01:08:25,880
Speaker 4: Aaron Jones gets hurt, so I.

1436
01:08:25,800 --> 01:08:26,799
Speaker 1: Won't have zero shares.

1437
01:08:27,160 --> 01:08:30,080
Speaker 4: But I think of all the Packer players, I think,

1438
01:08:30,439 --> 01:08:33,439
Speaker 4: you know, AJ Dillon's probably the most likely to bust.

1439
01:08:34,280 --> 01:08:34,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I don't.

1440
01:08:34,920 --> 01:08:36,479
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't have anyone honestly, I think, I mean,

1441
01:08:36,520 --> 01:08:39,559
Speaker 3: I think this is a team out, especially once we

1442
01:08:39,560 --> 01:08:41,559
Speaker 3: get clarity on you know who's getting those you know

1443
01:08:41,560 --> 01:08:43,640
Speaker 3: that wide receiver three row, who's going to be a

1444
01:08:43,640 --> 01:08:46,320
Speaker 3: starting tight end role. I think these guys are gonna

1445
01:08:46,320 --> 01:08:48,519
Speaker 3: be undervat. I mean none of that. You wouldn't say

1446
01:08:48,520 --> 01:08:50,920
Speaker 3: any of the defenses in this division are are great.

1447
01:08:51,840 --> 01:08:54,800
Speaker 3: You know you played what would you finished third last year?

1448
01:08:55,040 --> 01:08:58,040
Speaker 3: Third place? So you're playing at the third place schedule.

1449
01:08:59,560 --> 01:09:00,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know.

1450
01:09:00,320 --> 01:09:04,160
Speaker 3: I I think I think there's it's hard to there's

1451
01:09:04,160 --> 01:09:07,040
Speaker 3: mostly upside at all these ADPs. In my opinion, I

1452
01:09:07,040 --> 01:09:08,600
Speaker 3: could see I see what you're saying with Dylan, but

1453
01:09:08,640 --> 01:09:11,120
Speaker 3: I just I don't I don't see Dylan falling at

1454
01:09:11,360 --> 01:09:13,400
Speaker 3: like outside the top forty either.

1455
01:09:13,479 --> 01:09:15,880
Speaker 4: You know, and so so look, I'm going to have

1456
01:09:15,960 --> 01:09:19,040
Speaker 4: some Dylan shares. I think there's a time and a

1457
01:09:19,120 --> 01:09:19,720
Speaker 4: place for that.

1458
01:09:20,760 --> 01:09:22,360
Speaker 1: But like I said, just.

1459
01:09:22,400 --> 01:09:26,000
Speaker 4: All all of them are either at value or showing

1460
01:09:26,040 --> 01:09:26,799
Speaker 4: a ton of value.

1461
01:09:27,479 --> 01:09:29,800
Speaker 1: Just Dylan just yeah, he's in line.

1462
01:09:29,920 --> 01:09:32,479
Speaker 4: So that's that's what I'm saying, is like, this is

1463
01:09:32,479 --> 01:09:34,599
Speaker 4: a good team to invest in in basketball.

1464
01:09:34,640 --> 01:09:37,000
Speaker 1: You can get some really yes stacks.

1465
01:09:37,120 --> 01:09:38,800
Speaker 4: So that's that's kind of how you go, just go

1466
01:09:38,840 --> 01:09:40,599
Speaker 4: all in, yeah, stacking them.

1467
01:09:40,720 --> 01:09:42,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, I think this is definitely a team. We

1468
01:09:43,120 --> 01:09:45,600
Speaker 3: got a monitor because yeah, I think there'll be some

1469
01:09:45,680 --> 01:09:46,120
Speaker 3: value here.

1470
01:09:46,200 --> 01:09:46,559
Speaker 1: All right.

1471
01:09:46,640 --> 01:09:48,680
Speaker 2: That is going to wrap it. If you want to

1472
01:09:48,680 --> 01:09:50,400
Speaker 2: hear us talking about the AFC North.

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01:09:50,400 --> 01:09:53,519
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01:09:58,000 --> 01:10:02,280
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01:10:02,320 --> 01:10:04,760
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