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Speaker 1: Well, I know they're lying. They tricked me once, but

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to the Professor Penn Podcast. David Penn, your host.

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Speaker 1: Glad to be with you as always on this Thursday night,

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Speaker 1: the thirty first of July.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeh, that's correct. We're pre recording on the thirtieth.

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Speaker 1: Good morning, mister Tanner. Good morning, mister Tanner. Tried to

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Speaker 1: me astray and I pivoted definitely to the truth. Fantastic.

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Speaker 1: I'm glad to be with you. This is a episode

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Speaker 1: number again, twenty five. I'm very pleased to have in

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Speaker 1: Phil Parish. Welcome back, Phil, Thank you.

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Speaker 2: I'm happy to be here again.

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Speaker 1: I'm very excited. I was thinking about, well, what are

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Speaker 1: And I want to frame out this conversation today to

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Speaker 1: Great stated, you have won the election, but the Democrats

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Speaker 2: It's interesting question because I've been researching a lot. I've

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we can reduce taxes, and we will reduce taxes.

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Speaker 1: interpreting that in your travels? Because what you're doing is

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the two top topics are tell me the truth

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Speaker 1: But here in Minnesota, We're supposed to have a balanced budget, correct.

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Speaker 2: Isn't it funny how we have all these laws and

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Speaker 3: I was just in the DMV. Yes, the exact same one.

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Speaker 2: So then back to Minnesota. How does one of the

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Speaker 2: then a few of these bureaucratic low level and mid

433
00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:25,280
Speaker 2: level people are reaching out to me. They have real

434
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Speaker 2: experience and real knowledge about how to fix what's going

435
00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:32,439
Speaker 2: on within their own departments, with their own agencies, and

436
00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:36,160
Speaker 2: we can tap into that and assure that in house

437
00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:41,119
Speaker 2: we have good people that are really smart. They understand

438
00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:44,480
Speaker 2: the problems economically, they understand the problems why the services

439
00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:47,520
Speaker 2: aren't getting to the right people. They understand why the

440
00:27:47,560 --> 00:27:54,359
Speaker 2: autism and disability funding is being manipulated and squandered. They

441
00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:58,879
Speaker 2: understand how and why the home care health industry is

442
00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:05,160
Speaker 2: getting manipulated squandered. And these good mid level to entry

443
00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:08,160
Speaker 2: level people that are smart enough to see this right away.

444
00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:11,119
Speaker 2: They just need somebody to support them and back them

445
00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:14,520
Speaker 2: up and give them a way forward. And we have

446
00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:17,480
Speaker 2: the answers right here in Minnesota, and there's a lot

447
00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:19,959
Speaker 2: of hope across the state with these people that are

448
00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:24,479
Speaker 2: reaching out to me. You know, too many people in

449
00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:28,640
Speaker 2: the industry or in politics or in the know, they

450
00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:32,200
Speaker 2: immediately look at someone because of how they're addressed or

451
00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:36,280
Speaker 2: how they speak, they immediately dismiss them as well, not relevant.

452
00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:38,960
Speaker 2: You just don't know what you're talking about. But if

453
00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:41,880
Speaker 2: you stop and you listen to these people, they know

454
00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:45,680
Speaker 2: exactly what's going on. The housing industry, fraud stuff. There's

455
00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:48,440
Speaker 2: a lot of mid level people there. They know exactly

456
00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:53,440
Speaker 2: what's wrong. I was up in Little Falls and the

457
00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:55,640
Speaker 2: county commissioner, the only one that was at the meeting.

458
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Speaker 2: He was going into some depth about SNAP and Medicaid

459
00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:05,440
Speaker 2: and stuff, and what was interesting, although he wasn't using

460
00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:09,840
Speaker 2: that to expose this by accident. He brought to the

461
00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:13,160
Speaker 2: surface how his office and his staff are going to

462
00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:17,600
Speaker 2: have to make some changes to assure that things get

463
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Speaker 2: done properly. Well, whether that was an intentional outcome or not,

464
00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:25,800
Speaker 2: I can't say, you know from the federal regulations, but

465
00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:29,960
Speaker 2: he's onto something and people are going to have to

466
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Speaker 2: change and do business differently to assure that they're not

467
00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:37,320
Speaker 2: getting exploited. So these agencies, these mid level people, the

468
00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:41,720
Speaker 2: commonality is we can fix this internally, and we have good,

469
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Speaker 2: smart people. There's a glimmer of hope going across Minnesota

470
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Speaker 2: in multiple different areas financially services. Because you're right to

471
00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:52,680
Speaker 2: your point, if we're not providing the service, if it's

472
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Speaker 2: not actually having a proper outcome.

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Speaker 1: What's the point. So well, I want to just I

474
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Speaker 1: want to try to dial into this to make it

475
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Speaker 1: really focused. Is said something that perked my interest, said

476
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Speaker 1: that when you tip took over an organization to heal it,

477
00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:13,080
Speaker 1: so to speak, the first thing you want to say

478
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Speaker 1: is what's working. What's working, because you don't want to

479
00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:19,920
Speaker 1: mess with it. If it's working, what's working in the

480
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Speaker 1: state of Minnesota from your perspective, in Minnesota as a state,

481
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Speaker 1: as a culture. But let's start with government in government,

482
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Speaker 1: in government in Minnesota, what actually is from your perspective,

483
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Speaker 1: a factive that's really worth funding and is doing the

484
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Speaker 1: job it's intended to do.

485
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Speaker 2: It's a great question and it is a hard thread

486
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Speaker 2: to pull on. So, although this might sound a little abstract,

487
00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:47,160
Speaker 2: but the one thing that is working in taking advantage

488
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Speaker 2: of Minnesotans. We are a generous, good hearted, hardworking bunch.

489
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Speaker 2: We really are, and to me, that is the majority

490
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Speaker 2: of Minnesota. So although that doesn't sound like a mechanical

491
00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:01,440
Speaker 2: piece of the puzzle, it's more of a philosophical piece

492
00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:04,720
Speaker 2: of the piece. But the bottom line is to capitalize

493
00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:09,040
Speaker 2: on those good, hardworking, decent people that know right from

494
00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:12,840
Speaker 2: wrong and amplify their voice, and amplify their courage and

495
00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:16,120
Speaker 2: their willingness to work hard and help them with a

496
00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:20,840
Speaker 2: way to make things more efficient and more effective. The

497
00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:22,080
Speaker 2: things that are working.

498
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Speaker 1: Oh so I want to make sure I'm getting this right.

499
00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:28,320
Speaker 1: So you're saying what's working in the state, The backbone

500
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Speaker 1: of what's working is the people. We have a good

501
00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:37,040
Speaker 1: stock of people here and they're hardworking, and they're carrying

502
00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:40,560
Speaker 1: and they're generous and of course we live in a

503
00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:44,200
Speaker 1: beautiful state, which is also an asset of living here.

504
00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:49,880
Speaker 1: The natural environment here is outstanding. So the backbone of

505
00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:52,800
Speaker 1: what's working from your perspective if from getting this right.

506
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Speaker 1: And I added in the beauty of the state because

507
00:31:56,280 --> 00:31:59,040
Speaker 1: it is a wonderful place to live from a physical

508
00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:03,000
Speaker 1: beauty perspective of natural perspective. The people are good. We

509
00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:06,360
Speaker 1: have good people here, we do Okay, So that's what

510
00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:07,960
Speaker 1: you want to work. And you're saying you want to

511
00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:14,040
Speaker 1: amplify the voice of those people and the efforts of

512
00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:18,959
Speaker 1: those people and spread that goodness more widely throughout the state. Okay,

513
00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:19,920
Speaker 1: how do you do it?

514
00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:23,440
Speaker 2: So in a couple of organizations, initially in my young

515
00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:27,920
Speaker 2: in my administrative career, that message, whether I articulated it

516
00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:30,960
Speaker 2: or not, that message was in my head and heart somewhere,

517
00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:35,880
Speaker 2: and so my effort was to help those people really

518
00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:38,760
Speaker 2: focus on and spend their energy on the things that

519
00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:42,000
Speaker 2: are that they do well in their program. The particular

520
00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:45,800
Speaker 2: school that I was helping was it's Geri Treatment Programs.

521
00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:50,040
Speaker 2: There was wonderful things that they're doing for children, and

522
00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:58,320
Speaker 2: there's wonderful programming ideas that philosophical, cultural, niche that they

523
00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:02,600
Speaker 2: were fitting. We can't lose that. And the dozens of

524
00:33:02,600 --> 00:33:06,240
Speaker 2: people that were actually part of that thread or that

525
00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:10,960
Speaker 2: fabric I knew we couldn't. We couldn't lose them. We

526
00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:13,840
Speaker 2: had to maintain that. Yes they had problems, Yes they

527
00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:16,760
Speaker 2: had their own little things that had to be corrected,

528
00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:21,480
Speaker 2: and no, this is not compliant with some basic standards.

529
00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:25,720
Speaker 2: But if you supported them and had them focus on

530
00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:31,320
Speaker 2: what they're doing right, It's kind of like a sports analogy.

531
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Speaker 2: If I envision making the basket, and I practice making

532
00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:39,600
Speaker 2: the basket, and I keep on manifesting that I'm going

533
00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:43,960
Speaker 2: to win it, you start to win. And so these

534
00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:47,560
Speaker 2: basic concepts of how we deal with the staffing and

535
00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:49,760
Speaker 2: how we deal with the programming, and how we deal

536
00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:55,000
Speaker 2: with managing delivering services. If you fixate on what's wrong

537
00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:58,520
Speaker 2: all the time, you're going to manifest more wrong. If

538
00:33:58,560 --> 00:34:01,120
Speaker 2: you fixate on what is going on, well, the things

539
00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:05,320
Speaker 2: that are going wrong become less of an amplification and

540
00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:07,920
Speaker 2: the things that are going right become more and more

541
00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:12,319
Speaker 2: manifesting success. You have to correct what is wrong, You

542
00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:14,600
Speaker 2: have to point out what is wrong, but you have

543
00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:19,560
Speaker 2: to help people fixate and project and manifest what is

544
00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:22,359
Speaker 2: good and just and right, and so much of our

545
00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:26,279
Speaker 2: state and the legacy media they constantly fixate. This a

546
00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:31,920
Speaker 2: little off topic, but the mayor thing with Minneapolis, what

547
00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:36,279
Speaker 2: is everybody focused on the worst person the worst personality

548
00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:39,879
Speaker 2: of the worst culture. And I'm not talking about race, color, creed.

549
00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:45,960
Speaker 2: I'm talking about just intellectually and morally broken ideologies on

550
00:34:46,120 --> 00:34:50,239
Speaker 2: national TV, a local TV, a local If you fixate

551
00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:54,759
Speaker 2: on these intellectually and morally broken concepts and ideologies because

552
00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:57,879
Speaker 2: you're getting clicks and you know, clickbait, I call it,

553
00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:01,319
Speaker 2: you're going to get more of this same. But if

554
00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:05,160
Speaker 2: you focus on the Michael Jordan's, if you focus on

555
00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:09,759
Speaker 2: the you know, the Alan Pages of Minnesota, if you

556
00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:12,880
Speaker 2: focus on, you know, the people that are actually successful

557
00:35:13,120 --> 00:35:17,239
Speaker 2: and doing things good, you can start to manifest things that.

558
00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:19,719
Speaker 2: And again, I know that sounds philosophical and a little

559
00:35:19,719 --> 00:35:23,000
Speaker 2: abstract of people, but it's a basic principle of our

560
00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:26,120
Speaker 2: human condition. If we fixate on what's right and just,

561
00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:29,600
Speaker 2: we'll work towards what's right and just. If we fixate

562
00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:33,480
Speaker 2: on what's corrupt and negative, we're going to manifest more

563
00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:34,439
Speaker 2: corruption and all that.

564
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Speaker 1: That's a very almost that's a spiritual comp.

565
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Speaker 3: Have you ever read the book as a man? Thinketh

566
00:35:40,719 --> 00:35:44,480
Speaker 3: that that book is essentially what you are talking about.

567
00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:47,359
Speaker 3: That we are our thoughts. So if we focus on

568
00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:51,319
Speaker 3: the negatives or we're constantly trying to fix problems, well

569
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Speaker 3: I guess that can be a good thing. But like

570
00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:54,680
Speaker 3: you know, what I mean is like, if you're constantly

571
00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:57,840
Speaker 3: focusing on the negative, everything is going to be negative.

572
00:35:57,920 --> 00:36:00,399
Speaker 1: Yep, that's what that's I think what feels talking about

573
00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:02,600
Speaker 1: what is really working in the state, which is a

574
00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:06,239
Speaker 1: great population of hard work and good people. You know,

575
00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:10,320
Speaker 1: there's people listing all over the country and every state

576
00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:17,160
Speaker 1: has a similarity in this respect. The state delivers certain

577
00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:21,040
Speaker 1: core services. Let's just go over them for a seconds

578
00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:23,960
Speaker 1: so everybody knows. I don't want to get down into

579
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:27,000
Speaker 1: the weeds. I'm talking about the major domains of a

580
00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:30,840
Speaker 1: state government activity. Can you list them out for me

581
00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:34,120
Speaker 1: so I understand what you see them as. It's budget,

582
00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:36,960
Speaker 1: It's in the budget, But I mean that budget reflects

583
00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:39,600
Speaker 1: those governing priorities. What do you think they are? What

584
00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:40,480
Speaker 1: are they to you?

585
00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:42,720
Speaker 2: It could sound a little biased, but all I really

586
00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:46,160
Speaker 2: care about as a as a father, as a farmer,

587
00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:50,120
Speaker 2: as an administrator, as a people trying to help my community.

588
00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:53,000
Speaker 2: All I really care about from the state level is

589
00:36:54,040 --> 00:36:56,879
Speaker 2: help me with our roads, help me with our infrastructure,

590
00:36:57,000 --> 00:37:01,160
Speaker 2: help us with some basic decent and see in medical

591
00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:03,200
Speaker 2: access to money.

592
00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:09,200
Speaker 1: So we got we got infrastructure, health and human services, right, medical,

593
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Speaker 1: anything else you want to add to the mix.

594
00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:16,359
Speaker 2: And there is a national security issue, whether people want

595
00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:21,080
Speaker 2: to face it or not. Law enforcement and national security.

596
00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:24,920
Speaker 2: Local security is a big deal, and too many people

597
00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:28,520
Speaker 2: want to ignore that. We have a percentage of small

598
00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:32,080
Speaker 2: percentage of people among us who really are ill intended

599
00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:35,440
Speaker 2: and they are trying to cause harm. So security, it

600
00:37:35,600 --> 00:37:38,400
Speaker 2: is a big deal, whether it's local and or national.

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00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:47,680
Speaker 1: Okay, So the security piece, the medical piece, and then

602
00:37:47,719 --> 00:37:51,160
Speaker 1: the infrastructure piece. Education in there also education.

603
00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:53,440
Speaker 2: The money should follow the child. And we have a

604
00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:56,719
Speaker 2: lot of wonderful people out there with amazing ideas that

605
00:37:56,760 --> 00:37:59,400
Speaker 2: do really good stuff with kids. And if it just

606
00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:02,680
Speaker 2: if we just get over ourselves in this national education

607
00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:06,840
Speaker 2: agenda and this centralized power agenda and let people thrive

608
00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:13,160
Speaker 2: and just more of an open market concept, people would

609
00:38:13,239 --> 00:38:16,400
Speaker 2: really learn quickly what is successful in education and what

610
00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:16,719
Speaker 2: is not.

611
00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:19,439
Speaker 1: But let's take these four domains. I want to start

612
00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:21,480
Speaker 1: with the one I suspect you have a great deal

613
00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:27,080
Speaker 1: of insight into at a state level as the chief

614
00:38:27,120 --> 00:38:31,280
Speaker 1: executive officer of the state. Let's talk about this national

615
00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:36,240
Speaker 1: security issue and local issues as it relates to Minnesota.

616
00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:38,959
Speaker 1: What's working in the state right now, and how would

617
00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:42,360
Speaker 1: you take what's working and optimize it. You know, you know,

618
00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:45,160
Speaker 1: I'm choosing my words very careful, building on what we're

619
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Speaker 1: talking about. I'm not saying let's focus on the problems.

620
00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:50,719
Speaker 1: Let's talk about what works and how do we optimize

621
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Speaker 1: it so it's more effective.

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Speaker 2: So law enforcement again, what works is you have a

623
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Speaker 2: lot of good people who are really well intended and

624
00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:03,520
Speaker 2: they do good work. They work hard, amplifying their ability

625
00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:10,719
Speaker 2: to not have to worry about some counterproductive agendas or

626
00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:15,560
Speaker 2: counterproductive narratives, and just help them fiscally and more to

627
00:39:15,640 --> 00:39:18,880
Speaker 2: be more efficient and responsible and responsive to their community.

628
00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:24,480
Speaker 2: Health organizations have been way too centralized, and this whole

629
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Speaker 2: concept about centralizing into this conglomerate where there's some kind

630
00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:33,920
Speaker 2: of unheard of control in the distance somewhere. It clearly

631
00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:36,719
Speaker 2: hasn't worked. It has to stop. And the thing that

632
00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:40,439
Speaker 2: does work is the community hospitals and the community. There's

633
00:39:40,520 --> 00:39:42,880
Speaker 2: doctors out there right now that are starting their own

634
00:39:43,080 --> 00:39:46,279
Speaker 2: that are getting no recognition whatsoever, that are starting their

635
00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:53,520
Speaker 2: own community based health programs and infrastructure. Why are we

636
00:39:53,600 --> 00:39:57,160
Speaker 2: spending so much time I was doing some research in

637
00:39:57,200 --> 00:39:59,759
Speaker 2: the last couple of days with yes, we have an

638
00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:04,600
Speaker 2: abri abreviated season for construction, abbreviated season for having it.

639
00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:07,839
Speaker 2: And yes, our environment here in Minnesota makes things really

640
00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:13,359
Speaker 2: complicated with maintaining infrastructure. But why aren't some of the

641
00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:16,600
Speaker 2: innovations that I've seen and heard about through text messages

642
00:40:16,640 --> 00:40:20,080
Speaker 2: and emails. Why aren't some of those innovative ideas getting

643
00:40:20,120 --> 00:40:22,520
Speaker 2: to the surface. Is it because of the bureaucracy getting

644
00:40:22,520 --> 00:40:24,799
Speaker 2: in the way? Is it because regulation getting in the way.

645
00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:28,120
Speaker 2: But we have wonderful people with wonderful ideas about everything

646
00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:30,520
Speaker 2: from the types of materials to use with roads and

647
00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:37,160
Speaker 2: bridges and communications. What somebody needs to put their ego

648
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Speaker 2: aside with regards to communications of broadband? Why aren't they

649
00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:46,200
Speaker 2: using starlink? So all of these concepts. If you put

650
00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:50,000
Speaker 2: your egos aside and just start looking at practical ways

651
00:40:50,040 --> 00:40:53,440
Speaker 2: to solve problems, a lot of these good things that

652
00:40:53,480 --> 00:40:56,319
Speaker 2: people do and have knowledge about can be brought to

653
00:40:56,360 --> 00:40:58,600
Speaker 2: the surface and tried, And is somebody going to do

654
00:40:58,640 --> 00:41:01,320
Speaker 2: something wrong? Is somebody going to make a decision. Sure,

655
00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:05,759
Speaker 2: it'll happen, but is that any worse than what we're experiencing.

656
00:41:06,120 --> 00:41:10,319
Speaker 2: So again, it's about philosophical pieces tied to natural like

657
00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:13,959
Speaker 2: tangible things like this product works and that product doesn't.

658
00:41:14,600 --> 00:41:17,120
Speaker 2: Why are we building a road this way with this

659
00:41:17,239 --> 00:41:20,200
Speaker 2: base that constantly has a problem in this part of

660
00:41:20,280 --> 00:41:24,360
Speaker 2: the country with regards to temperatures and thawing and freezing.

661
00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:27,520
Speaker 2: Why isn't it this type of material for the base

662
00:41:27,560 --> 00:41:31,919
Speaker 2: which has been successful versus this proven unsuccessful? And why

663
00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:32,920
Speaker 2: do we keep going?

664
00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:38,000
Speaker 1: You know why? That is because it's a business and

665
00:41:38,080 --> 00:41:41,239
Speaker 1: we're getting more and more funding. Right, Okay, but I

666
00:41:41,320 --> 00:41:43,160
Speaker 1: want to go back. I want to drill into these

667
00:41:43,360 --> 00:41:47,480
Speaker 1: really specifically, because you know, we've got a lot you know,

668
00:41:47,680 --> 00:41:51,000
Speaker 1: this is my I mean, there's leftists that listen to

669
00:41:51,080 --> 00:41:53,640
Speaker 1: Professor Penn podcast because they show up in a comment

670
00:41:54,320 --> 00:41:56,000
Speaker 1: and I want them to feel at home here, and

671
00:41:56,040 --> 00:41:57,920
Speaker 1: I want them to know that we're trying to develop

672
00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:01,840
Speaker 1: politics for all men of sultans and they have concerns

673
00:42:01,880 --> 00:42:10,160
Speaker 1: about policing, particularly in the cities, specifically to policing issues

674
00:42:10,200 --> 00:42:13,440
Speaker 1: in the cities. What can the governor do, What can

675
00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:18,560
Speaker 1: the legislature do with the governor to address the concerns

676
00:42:18,560 --> 00:42:23,359
Speaker 1: of our urban residents who are ill at ease with

677
00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:24,640
Speaker 1: our police.

678
00:42:25,239 --> 00:42:28,600
Speaker 2: Stop playing politics and stop lying to people and start

679
00:42:28,680 --> 00:42:31,520
Speaker 2: listening to I wish I could remember his I drop

680
00:42:31,560 --> 00:42:35,000
Speaker 2: his name all day long. A black gentleman in Minneapolis

681
00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:39,560
Speaker 2: that has a podcast. He's actually he's getting his doctorate

682
00:42:39,640 --> 00:42:42,840
Speaker 2: in educational administration. I think he's been a teacher for

683
00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:46,239
Speaker 2: a long time. And somebody threw his podcast at me

684
00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:49,200
Speaker 2: the other day and I started listening to it. And

685
00:42:50,520 --> 00:42:55,440
Speaker 2: if our politicians and our bureaucrats would stop playing politics

686
00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:58,880
Speaker 2: and just start listening to people and what the needs

687
00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:04,080
Speaker 2: in the community are, not amplifying hot talking points or

688
00:43:04,120 --> 00:43:08,400
Speaker 2: hot topics with legacy media and start just listening to

689
00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:10,720
Speaker 2: people on the truth on the ground, so to speak.

690
00:43:12,520 --> 00:43:15,680
Speaker 2: You'd get a long ways and then listen to what's

691
00:43:15,719 --> 00:43:20,719
Speaker 2: going on with the law enforcement. How they've kind of

692
00:43:21,040 --> 00:43:29,520
Speaker 2: developed this culture of tiptoeing and sidestepping particular controversial ideas

693
00:43:29,600 --> 00:43:35,040
Speaker 2: or controversial decisions and finding maybe not so good ways

694
00:43:35,080 --> 00:43:41,319
Speaker 2: to creatively get around policing issues. Again, if it's if

695
00:43:41,360 --> 00:43:44,440
Speaker 2: they had somebody that has their back that would reassure

696
00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:47,520
Speaker 2: them that they're not going to prison because they smiled

697
00:43:47,560 --> 00:43:52,759
Speaker 2: wrong or because they didn't smile, these law enforcement professionals

698
00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:58,440
Speaker 2: would have a lot of really good traction in their community.

699
00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:06,400
Speaker 2: These law enforcement officials who are managing their their next position,

700
00:44:06,760 --> 00:44:09,520
Speaker 2: their next bullet point of how they're going to get

701
00:44:09,520 --> 00:44:14,560
Speaker 2: to their next pay level, pay level, if they had

702
00:44:14,600 --> 00:44:17,920
Speaker 2: a leader, like a governor like me who would step

703
00:44:17,960 --> 00:44:22,160
Speaker 2: in and say enough of this nonsense and take a

704
00:44:22,200 --> 00:44:25,800
Speaker 2: look at the different law enforcement officials that are actually

705
00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:28,879
Speaker 2: making a difference in the community and and raise them

706
00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:34,080
Speaker 2: to the to the you know, bring some light on them. Again.

707
00:44:34,120 --> 00:44:38,359
Speaker 2: It's about that philosophical piece of fixating on what's right

708
00:44:38,440 --> 00:44:42,840
Speaker 2: and just and keep manifesting that versus manifesting this broken

709
00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:45,440
Speaker 2: ideology and these A lot of it comes down to

710
00:44:45,640 --> 00:44:50,799
Speaker 2: all these different subjects, this intellectually and morally broken log

711
00:44:50,920 --> 00:44:54,600
Speaker 2: extreme that sometimes seems to be almost a disease. Lately,

712
00:44:55,280 --> 00:44:57,840
Speaker 2: you see it every day, You're you're talking about it

713
00:44:57,840 --> 00:44:59,960
Speaker 2: almost every day. We're seeing it in our families, were

714
00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:04,520
Speaker 2: seeing it in our colleagues, there's this intellectually and morally

715
00:45:04,640 --> 00:45:08,839
Speaker 2: broken logic streme for all kinds of subjects that can

716
00:45:08,920 --> 00:45:12,640
Speaker 2: be successfully confronted and done away with. You don't have

717
00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:15,400
Speaker 2: to be thinking like that. You don't have to accept

718
00:45:15,440 --> 00:45:18,879
Speaker 2: what you've been trained to accept for the last fifty years.

719
00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:20,960
Speaker 1: Can you give me an example of that, something that

720
00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:25,120
Speaker 1: so people could really get a practical view of what

721
00:45:25,160 --> 00:45:27,399
Speaker 1: you're talking about. Is there something we could just drill

722
00:45:27,480 --> 00:45:30,360
Speaker 1: into in that way? Because we're really talking about cultural

723
00:45:30,360 --> 00:45:33,200
Speaker 1: issues now. When you start talking about broken logic streams,

724
00:45:33,880 --> 00:45:37,000
Speaker 1: of course that underlies all of our problems. We don't

725
00:45:37,040 --> 00:45:41,080
Speaker 1: have a common language our culture. Although people talk about

726
00:45:41,160 --> 00:45:45,440
Speaker 1: diversity in very positive ways, it's not turning out positive.

727
00:45:45,760 --> 00:45:48,560
Speaker 1: This is the broken logic stream. Okay. Where you say

728
00:45:48,840 --> 00:45:51,799
Speaker 1: diversity is our greatest strength? Okay, great, Can you show

729
00:45:51,840 --> 00:45:54,440
Speaker 1: it to me? Where is it working? Because all I

730
00:45:54,520 --> 00:45:56,879
Speaker 1: see now is confusion. I was driving to the student today,

731
00:45:56,920 --> 00:45:59,399
Speaker 1: I was thinking, man, part of my job is I'm

732
00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:03,160
Speaker 1: so intuch with how broken everything is. It's like I'm

733
00:46:03,239 --> 00:46:06,560
Speaker 1: driven into all this and I'm thinking unity, unity, Unity.

734
00:46:06,920 --> 00:46:09,239
Speaker 1: I don't want to sound like the Party, but I'm

735
00:46:09,239 --> 00:46:11,160
Speaker 1: not talking about that kind of union. I'm talking about

736
00:46:11,160 --> 00:46:15,000
Speaker 1: a kind of a cultural rally point which you're talking

737
00:46:15,040 --> 00:46:18,760
Speaker 1: about your campaign is based on. It's not right or left,

738
00:46:19,120 --> 00:46:22,200
Speaker 1: it's not red or blue. Let's get to what works

739
00:46:22,200 --> 00:46:26,480
Speaker 1: and what's right, what's just, what's good, what's true. And

740
00:46:26,560 --> 00:46:29,080
Speaker 1: we are doing a lot of things culturally which is

741
00:46:29,080 --> 00:46:31,239
Speaker 1: not right in just and true. And I'm going to

742
00:46:31,280 --> 00:46:32,799
Speaker 1: go out on a limit if you're a leftist and

743
00:46:33,160 --> 00:46:35,120
Speaker 1: I know where this comes from because it's a radical

744
00:46:35,160 --> 00:46:38,120
Speaker 1: idea of freedom, but we're doing a lot of things

745
00:46:38,160 --> 00:46:41,960
Speaker 1: medically that is not right and just and true. It

746
00:46:42,040 --> 00:46:46,400
Speaker 1: is free. We're free to do so, we're free to experiment.

747
00:46:47,080 --> 00:46:49,840
Speaker 1: But when you see the results of the experiment is

748
00:46:49,880 --> 00:46:54,960
Speaker 1: broken lives. Are we going to change? Well, we have

749
00:46:55,040 --> 00:46:59,640
Speaker 1: a broken logic stream. So what's a good example of that.

750
00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:04,040
Speaker 1: How can we take one area and say, come on, guys,

751
00:47:04,560 --> 00:47:05,040
Speaker 1: come on.

752
00:47:05,160 --> 00:47:10,040
Speaker 2: I'll try to pick one of dozens or interesting recent experience.

753
00:47:10,840 --> 00:47:13,000
Speaker 2: A gentleman in which I won't name names because it's

754
00:47:13,040 --> 00:47:16,480
Speaker 2: just it's not about that, but gentlemen and his family

755
00:47:16,520 --> 00:47:21,160
Speaker 2: have moved to the community that I am an administrator in.

756
00:47:23,000 --> 00:47:28,120
Speaker 2: They moved away from a community that was in their

757
00:47:28,200 --> 00:47:32,279
Speaker 2: view probably not meeting their needs and falling apart. This

758
00:47:33,440 --> 00:47:38,759
Speaker 2: family of a seven husband and wife and children. This

759
00:47:38,880 --> 00:47:43,400
Speaker 2: family of seven has, because of our social programs and

760
00:47:43,480 --> 00:47:47,280
Speaker 2: our state and federal programming, have found themselves in this home.

761
00:47:47,360 --> 00:47:53,560
Speaker 2: Now they own this home, and essentially in an upside

762
00:47:53,840 --> 00:47:57,920
Speaker 2: of throwing money at people, this family has chosen to

763
00:47:58,000 --> 00:48:06,120
Speaker 2: actually try to do something with that opportunity. But they're

764
00:48:06,160 --> 00:48:11,360
Speaker 2: finding as they have gotten into this situation, a lack

765
00:48:11,440 --> 00:48:16,759
Speaker 2: of actual tangible support and evidence by the way of

766
00:48:16,800 --> 00:48:20,080
Speaker 2: how how fraudulent it is, because they could certainly take

767
00:48:20,120 --> 00:48:22,560
Speaker 2: the money and just run or do whatever they want.

768
00:48:22,600 --> 00:48:26,440
Speaker 2: But this family is trying to do something different. The

769
00:48:26,680 --> 00:48:32,040
Speaker 2: broken and intellectually and morally broken concepts that are leading

770
00:48:32,080 --> 00:48:36,719
Speaker 2: to that is partly connected to all areas of concerns

771
00:48:38,440 --> 00:48:42,640
Speaker 2: people not of any particular race or color, and this

772
00:48:42,800 --> 00:48:46,359
Speaker 2: concept of just well, it's easier to just yeah, we'll

773
00:48:46,360 --> 00:48:48,960
Speaker 2: we'll develop a program. Well we'll we'll get the need

774
00:48:49,040 --> 00:48:51,800
Speaker 2: filled with this amount of money and this group of people,

775
00:48:52,560 --> 00:48:55,680
Speaker 2: and it doesn't take place, and then people like myself

776
00:48:55,760 --> 00:48:59,440
Speaker 2: and my community. He comes to the to my office

777
00:48:59,680 --> 00:49:02,520
Speaker 2: and I have no business dealing with his water heater,

778
00:49:03,160 --> 00:49:05,279
Speaker 2: but he has no money left to deal with the

779
00:49:05,280 --> 00:49:08,680
Speaker 2: water heater and fixing the water heater. Why I say

780
00:49:08,920 --> 00:49:12,360
Speaker 2: it connects to the intellectually and morally broken logic streams

781
00:49:12,400 --> 00:49:15,759
Speaker 2: is because there's too many people among us, which is

782
00:49:15,800 --> 00:49:18,000
Speaker 2: a small group by the way, because the hopeful part.

783
00:49:17,800 --> 00:49:20,719
Speaker 1: Of this back to this illicit flow of money that's

784
00:49:20,719 --> 00:49:22,360
Speaker 1: fun in these ideas.

785
00:49:22,160 --> 00:49:24,720
Speaker 2: You have this group of people that in their broken

786
00:49:24,800 --> 00:49:29,520
Speaker 2: logic and broken morality, think they're doing something good, and

787
00:49:29,600 --> 00:49:35,120
Speaker 2: in truth is they've actually enslaved this family into a

788
00:49:35,239 --> 00:49:40,840
Speaker 2: life of servitude to a bunch of either mislabeled or

789
00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:44,879
Speaker 2: mishandled ideas and ideologies that now they've got to pick

790
00:49:44,960 --> 00:49:47,080
Speaker 2: up the pieces and try to figure out how to

791
00:49:47,080 --> 00:49:49,880
Speaker 2: make it work. And good people in the community have

792
00:49:49,960 --> 00:49:51,600
Speaker 2: to step up, and I have to go over and

793
00:49:51,600 --> 00:49:53,640
Speaker 2: try and help him start his water heater because he

794
00:49:53,680 --> 00:49:57,799
Speaker 2: has no way of understanding even how to light the

795
00:49:57,840 --> 00:50:03,400
Speaker 2: pilot light. So to me, that is one example of

796
00:50:03,440 --> 00:50:07,399
Speaker 2: how are people who sit on high and just throw

797
00:50:07,480 --> 00:50:10,920
Speaker 2: money at programs and try to be good people. They

798
00:50:10,920 --> 00:50:13,480
Speaker 2: don't have a good logic stream, They don't have what.

799
00:50:13,960 --> 00:50:16,920
Speaker 1: You're saying that the underlying the lot and say we

800
00:50:16,920 --> 00:50:19,800
Speaker 1: were just talking about this on the Tuesday Night podcast.

801
00:50:20,040 --> 00:50:23,359
Speaker 1: I made the comment, you know, it's an experiment. We're

802
00:50:23,440 --> 00:50:29,319
Speaker 1: experimenting continuously with human consciousness, human politics, human religion. Not

803
00:50:29,400 --> 00:50:31,520
Speaker 1: that long ago, we were living in caves as the

804
00:50:31,560 --> 00:50:34,080
Speaker 1: crow flies, right, So we're trying to do the best

805
00:50:34,120 --> 00:50:36,799
Speaker 1: we can and people jet out in these directions. And

806
00:50:37,320 --> 00:50:41,160
Speaker 1: I think you're right people that folks that I hang

807
00:50:41,200 --> 00:50:43,759
Speaker 1: around with would say these people are bad people. I

808
00:50:43,800 --> 00:50:46,879
Speaker 1: don't think they think they're bad, and they probably are

809
00:50:46,920 --> 00:50:50,200
Speaker 1: trying to do good. But the logic is broken. And

810
00:50:50,400 --> 00:50:53,720
Speaker 1: I said a little differently, the evidence there's a broken

811
00:50:53,800 --> 00:50:56,640
Speaker 1: feedback loop because they're looking at the data and they

812
00:50:56,640 --> 00:50:59,960
Speaker 1: think that things are getting better and they're not getting better.

813
00:51:00,600 --> 00:51:02,719
Speaker 1: And we're putting more and more money into programs that

814
00:51:02,760 --> 00:51:06,080
Speaker 1: are not getting things better, which then taxes the citizens

815
00:51:06,120 --> 00:51:09,279
Speaker 1: more and more, which then breaks down our social solidarity.

816
00:51:10,560 --> 00:51:13,439
Speaker 1: And we're not looking at the feedback loop.

817
00:51:13,520 --> 00:51:13,719
Speaker 2: Right.

818
00:51:13,760 --> 00:51:19,560
Speaker 1: If we could get into government a more honest, well

819
00:51:19,800 --> 00:51:23,759
Speaker 1: not honest, more accurate assessment of the results of our

820
00:51:23,760 --> 00:51:27,440
Speaker 1: expenditure and this kind of pissed me off, not kind of,

821
00:51:27,440 --> 00:51:29,720
Speaker 1: it just really pissed me off all of a sudden.

822
00:51:29,719 --> 00:51:32,799
Speaker 1: You know, Trump got elected, and they started the doge thing,

823
00:51:32,800 --> 00:51:35,399
Speaker 1: and they started looking at all this fraud with usaid.

824
00:51:36,160 --> 00:51:38,200
Speaker 1: Then all of a sudden, the Minnesota Republicans in the

825
00:51:38,200 --> 00:51:43,200
Speaker 1: House and Senate jumped up with all these indignation about

826
00:51:43,239 --> 00:51:45,560
Speaker 1: all this. For this fraud's been going on my entire

827
00:51:45,560 --> 00:51:48,479
Speaker 1: adult life, and I know about it. I mean, it's

828
00:51:48,560 --> 00:51:51,320
Speaker 1: right in your face. Now. Did you all in the

829
00:51:51,440 --> 00:51:56,560
Speaker 1: legislature not see it? Or were you part of it?

830
00:51:56,600 --> 00:51:59,760
Speaker 1: Is this a giant theater show? Now until it passes

831
00:51:59,760 --> 00:52:03,400
Speaker 1: on by and we're back to business as usual, Because

832
00:52:03,480 --> 00:52:07,920
Speaker 1: what this is, what government is, is a very poorly

833
00:52:08,080 --> 00:52:11,640
Speaker 1: run business. Now, if you talk to my mother, who's

834
00:52:11,680 --> 00:52:15,920
Speaker 1: an ardent leftist, she'll say, government's really not a business.

835
00:52:16,239 --> 00:52:20,279
Speaker 1: That's the orientation of people on the left. And that's

836
00:52:20,320 --> 00:52:22,560
Speaker 1: something we have to talk to our brothers and sisters

837
00:52:22,560 --> 00:52:27,520
Speaker 1: on the left about. Because government is dealing with tremendous

838
00:52:27,560 --> 00:52:32,319
Speaker 1: amounts of money, huge employment bases, and delivering services. It

839
00:52:32,440 --> 00:52:35,279
Speaker 1: sounds like a business to me. And if you have

840
00:52:35,320 --> 00:52:38,719
Speaker 1: a business like that road you're talking about, we're using

841
00:52:38,760 --> 00:52:42,960
Speaker 1: materials that we know don't work. But hey, we got

842
00:52:43,000 --> 00:52:45,239
Speaker 1: to rip the roads up every three years, because hey,

843
00:52:46,239 --> 00:52:49,600
Speaker 1: what a great business and we never want our budgets

844
00:52:49,600 --> 00:52:53,920
Speaker 1: to shrink, and we don't talk this way. And I

845
00:52:54,000 --> 00:52:56,319
Speaker 1: don't know what the people on the left think about this.

846
00:52:56,640 --> 00:52:58,720
Speaker 1: I mean, are we just going to keep expanding government

847
00:52:58,880 --> 00:53:01,440
Speaker 1: till it's every person working for the government. I mean,

848
00:53:01,440 --> 00:53:03,759
Speaker 1: this thing is completely as you were saying, it's out

849
00:53:03,760 --> 00:53:07,200
Speaker 1: of control. Now this broken. We want to I mean,

850
00:53:07,200 --> 00:53:08,600
Speaker 1: this is me. I don't want to use the word we.

851
00:53:08,760 --> 00:53:13,160
Speaker 1: I believe in self governance. I want the smallest government

852
00:53:13,680 --> 00:53:17,279
Speaker 1: possible because I live in a republic. I don't live

853
00:53:17,280 --> 00:53:19,400
Speaker 1: in a communist state. And in fact, if you're a

854
00:53:19,480 --> 00:53:22,360
Speaker 1: leftist and you're listening, do you know that a republican

855
00:53:22,400 --> 00:53:25,799
Speaker 1: form of governance is promised to every American citizen in

856
00:53:25,840 --> 00:53:29,600
Speaker 1: the US Constitution. Now, it's never been challenged because the

857
00:53:29,680 --> 00:53:33,360
Speaker 1: court say it's not a judicial but that was yesterday.

858
00:53:33,960 --> 00:53:35,680
Speaker 1: I don't know what they're going to say tomorrow. Maybe

859
00:53:35,760 --> 00:53:40,480
Speaker 1: this will become an area of judicial action, because we

860
00:53:40,560 --> 00:53:44,800
Speaker 1: can't lose our republican form of governance and maintain ourselves

861
00:53:44,840 --> 00:53:48,240
Speaker 1: as a republic. So that's what this government is doing.

862
00:53:48,600 --> 00:53:52,760
Speaker 1: It's crowding out the very nature of republicanism.

863
00:53:53,520 --> 00:53:56,400
Speaker 2: Well, and it's crowding out the basic nature of human condition.

864
00:53:56,680 --> 00:53:59,760
Speaker 2: I mean, the human condition is eventually. The sad fact

865
00:53:59,840 --> 00:54:02,800
Speaker 2: is we've seen it over history, hundreds and hundreds of

866
00:54:02,920 --> 00:54:06,200
Speaker 2: years of history. The human condition is going to get

867
00:54:06,239 --> 00:54:09,520
Speaker 2: into this pattern of I hate to be so corny,

868
00:54:09,560 --> 00:54:12,320
Speaker 2: but there's a several social media memes out there, in

869
00:54:12,400 --> 00:54:16,680
Speaker 2: little cute little videos. You know, in good times we

870
00:54:17,160 --> 00:54:20,520
Speaker 2: develop weak men and in bad times we develop strong men.

871
00:54:21,040 --> 00:54:22,520
Speaker 4: And I would say that's pretty accurate.

872
00:54:22,640 --> 00:54:23,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know.

873
00:54:23,520 --> 00:54:26,600
Speaker 3: I when I'm listening to your message, I feel like

874
00:54:27,200 --> 00:54:30,200
Speaker 3: it's the younger voters, it's the people my age, because

875
00:54:30,239 --> 00:54:33,240
Speaker 3: we just recently were talking with Richard Barris on episode

876
00:54:33,239 --> 00:54:36,560
Speaker 3: two twenty one, and he was talking about how we

877
00:54:36,640 --> 00:54:39,239
Speaker 3: feel so disenfranchised, and a lot of us know that

878
00:54:39,280 --> 00:54:42,480
Speaker 3: there's a problem. We just kind of accept it as

879
00:54:42,480 --> 00:54:44,080
Speaker 3: status quo, because what the hell are we going to

880
00:54:44,160 --> 00:54:46,640
Speaker 3: do if our parents then do anything. The millennials aren't

881
00:54:46,640 --> 00:54:49,360
Speaker 3: really doing anything, what are gen z is actually going

882
00:54:49,480 --> 00:54:49,719
Speaker 3: to do.

883
00:54:49,920 --> 00:54:53,560
Speaker 2: I'm seeing a lot of hope. Actually, some good kids

884
00:54:53,680 --> 00:54:55,920
Speaker 2: I've called them kids, but they're not great. I mean

885
00:54:56,560 --> 00:54:59,719
Speaker 2: young adults at sixteen seventeen years old. In my life,

886
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:02,400
Speaker 2: I was doing things at sixteen seventeen year old that

887
00:55:03,000 --> 00:55:05,560
Speaker 2: for a long time now people wouldn't even hear of

888
00:55:05,640 --> 00:55:08,200
Speaker 2: doing until they were in their twenties or thirties, and

889
00:55:08,239 --> 00:55:11,320
Speaker 2: I was doing them at sixteen seventeen. We're back around

890
00:55:11,400 --> 00:55:14,920
Speaker 2: to this. You know, we've got young people coming up

891
00:55:15,200 --> 00:55:17,719
Speaker 2: asking questions like you or can we do something about this?

892
00:55:17,840 --> 00:55:20,439
Speaker 2: And they're starting to find some traction as to saying

893
00:55:20,480 --> 00:55:24,920
Speaker 2: to themselves, well why not me? Who else is doing it?

894
00:55:25,000 --> 00:55:28,360
Speaker 2: You clearly aren't doing it. And so you know, I

895
00:55:28,400 --> 00:55:31,560
Speaker 2: had a dozen thoughts while we were talking, and now

896
00:55:31,800 --> 00:55:36,440
Speaker 2: we're onto this again. It's about it's about a philosophical piece,

897
00:55:36,480 --> 00:55:39,240
Speaker 2: but yet a tangible piece. You have to be able

898
00:55:39,480 --> 00:55:46,320
Speaker 2: to put into action ideas to grapple with the challenges

899
00:55:46,360 --> 00:55:48,799
Speaker 2: in front of you. And I think there's a huge

900
00:55:48,840 --> 00:55:52,000
Speaker 2: opportunity coming with young people and people of all ages

901
00:55:52,040 --> 00:55:55,600
Speaker 2: and people of all race, color and creed. Really they're

902
00:55:55,680 --> 00:55:59,640
Speaker 2: coming back because socialism doesn't work, Marxism doesn't work. The

903
00:55:59,760 --> 00:56:03,080
Speaker 2: human condition eventually kicks in. Like these young people that

904
00:56:03,120 --> 00:56:05,560
Speaker 2: are starting to say, well, can we do something about this?

905
00:56:05,840 --> 00:56:08,120
Speaker 2: It's starting to kick in. The human condition is starting

906
00:56:08,120 --> 00:56:11,760
Speaker 2: to come and that's why the republic is important because

907
00:56:12,600 --> 00:56:17,040
Speaker 2: our republic, our constitutional republic, was built on that knowledge

908
00:56:17,600 --> 00:56:20,680
Speaker 2: that the human condition is going to find a way

909
00:56:21,040 --> 00:56:25,680
Speaker 2: at some point and it will fight off this onslaught

910
00:56:25,760 --> 00:56:29,279
Speaker 2: of socialism who are actually ill intended people. They sell

911
00:56:29,400 --> 00:56:32,840
Speaker 2: lots of pretty stories and lots of pretty concepts, but

912
00:56:32,960 --> 00:56:40,120
Speaker 2: eventually socialist, Marxist, communist ideologies, the human condition eventually kicks in.

913
00:56:40,160 --> 00:56:44,279
Speaker 2: And you have brave heart, you know, or you have

914
00:56:44,360 --> 00:56:47,640
Speaker 2: the magna carta, come to the surface and say, we

915
00:56:47,719 --> 00:56:52,040
Speaker 2: are a free people. God has created us to be free.

916
00:56:52,920 --> 00:56:56,279
Speaker 2: Leave people alone. Why do you have to sit in

917
00:56:56,320 --> 00:56:59,920
Speaker 2: your ivory tower saying that all culture and race might

918
00:57:00,200 --> 00:57:03,080
Speaker 2: live like this. Everybody must have a standard of living

919
00:57:03,120 --> 00:57:07,080
Speaker 2: of air conditioning because Minnesota is so miserable. Everybody must

920
00:57:07,160 --> 00:57:11,600
Speaker 2: have a standard of living because of heat and centralized

921
00:57:11,600 --> 00:57:15,120
Speaker 2: heat and floor heating in Minnesota. Because everybody deserves that.

922
00:57:15,760 --> 00:57:20,240
Speaker 2: Everybody doesn't want that. Leave people alone and let people

923
00:57:20,720 --> 00:57:24,720
Speaker 2: thrive and grow and learn. And who is some white

924
00:57:24,800 --> 00:57:27,360
Speaker 2: person or black person or Asian person to sit on

925
00:57:27,480 --> 00:57:29,560
Speaker 2: high and say, well, you need to move this group

926
00:57:29,600 --> 00:57:33,240
Speaker 2: of people over into this industry, into this region because

927
00:57:33,280 --> 00:57:35,400
Speaker 2: their life will be better. Who told you you have

928
00:57:35,480 --> 00:57:39,840
Speaker 2: the authority to do that. Leave people alone. Our constitutional

929
00:57:39,880 --> 00:57:43,720
Speaker 2: republic depends on and is going to find its way

930
00:57:43,760 --> 00:57:48,960
Speaker 2: back to the mainstream thinking because the human condition is

931
00:57:49,040 --> 00:57:49,560
Speaker 2: kicking in.

932
00:57:49,800 --> 00:57:54,520
Speaker 1: See. I really like this part of your dialogue because

933
00:57:55,880 --> 00:57:59,440
Speaker 1: the chief executive, I mean, you know, you have to

934
00:57:59,480 --> 00:58:01,800
Speaker 1: govern and right, so you're really just a president of

935
00:58:01,800 --> 00:58:04,720
Speaker 1: a corporation in kind of a way, but you set

936
00:58:04,760 --> 00:58:08,520
Speaker 1: the tone for the whole workforce and for all the

937
00:58:08,560 --> 00:58:10,760
Speaker 1: people that are so when you're the governor, and what

938
00:58:10,840 --> 00:58:14,000
Speaker 1: do we really have? We don't have. This is why

939
00:58:14,040 --> 00:58:16,120
Speaker 1: I'm starting to think politically because I'm so good at

940
00:58:16,120 --> 00:58:19,680
Speaker 1: this myself. I know I'm good at it. I don't

941
00:58:19,720 --> 00:58:21,760
Speaker 1: know that i'd be that good at governing because I'm

942
00:58:21,800 --> 00:58:25,960
Speaker 1: not a detailed guy. But the philosophical part, I need

943
00:58:26,000 --> 00:58:30,280
Speaker 1: our leadership. I want, as a constituent, my leaders to

944
00:58:30,400 --> 00:58:35,960
Speaker 1: start to re educate the population on what the Framers

945
00:58:36,040 --> 00:58:38,680
Speaker 1: gave us and what we're giving up. Because clearly, in

946
00:58:38,720 --> 00:58:41,480
Speaker 1: Minnesota we've moved away from a republican form of governance

947
00:58:41,720 --> 00:58:44,800
Speaker 1: and we've moved to a socialist form of governance. It's

948
00:58:44,800 --> 00:58:47,840
Speaker 1: still what's interesting is that it's still working because the

949
00:58:47,880 --> 00:58:50,680
Speaker 1: state is so wealthy. There's so many good people, so

950
00:58:50,800 --> 00:58:53,680
Speaker 1: many hard working people, but people keep moving away, Like

951
00:58:53,720 --> 00:58:57,040
Speaker 1: for me, I would be a perfect candidate to move away.

952
00:58:57,440 --> 00:59:00,920
Speaker 1: I won't leave because to me, I would be running

953
00:59:00,960 --> 00:59:03,680
Speaker 1: away from my responsibility. So I think about all the

954
00:59:03,680 --> 00:59:07,160
Speaker 1: Republican Party candidates that I know by name. I'm going

955
00:59:07,240 --> 00:59:10,120
Speaker 1: to be kind because I'm trying to be kinder. They

956
00:59:10,200 --> 00:59:12,840
Speaker 1: lost their elections and they've moved out of the state,

957
00:59:13,440 --> 00:59:14,880
Speaker 1: and some of them are listening to me, and I'm

958
00:59:14,880 --> 00:59:16,880
Speaker 1: going to tell you who you are. You're a friggin

959
00:59:17,040 --> 00:59:20,640
Speaker 1: coward and you're only interested in the money. You don't

960
00:59:20,680 --> 00:59:24,160
Speaker 1: care about the suffering that this governance is bringing upon

961
00:59:24,200 --> 00:59:27,760
Speaker 1: the people. And we do care here at Free People Radio.

962
00:59:27,880 --> 00:59:31,320
Speaker 1: I care, and I'm giving up a lot of my

963
00:59:32,280 --> 00:59:35,680
Speaker 1: discretionary free time in the golden years of my life

964
00:59:36,560 --> 00:59:41,480
Speaker 1: to work for young people like Tanners generation. And you

965
00:59:41,520 --> 00:59:43,960
Speaker 1: know what Barris told us, And if Richard Barris is

966
00:59:43,960 --> 00:59:50,760
Speaker 1: a very noted poster, the greatest growth in Republican support

967
00:59:51,240 --> 00:59:54,360
Speaker 1: has come from twenty to twenty nine year olds, particularly

968
00:59:54,400 --> 00:59:59,760
Speaker 1: from Hispanic and black males. They're looking for an opportunity

969
01:00:00,400 --> 01:00:03,600
Speaker 1: to get something out of this deal. They don't want

970
01:00:03,640 --> 01:00:08,040
Speaker 1: to accept that Marks is the same as everybody else.

971
01:00:08,080 --> 01:00:12,560
Speaker 1: They are, they're creative, they want to be different because,

972
01:00:12,560 --> 01:00:15,600
Speaker 1: as you said, that's the human condition. And I just

973
01:00:15,640 --> 01:00:17,640
Speaker 1: want to say before I turn it back over to you,

974
01:00:17,880 --> 01:00:23,520
Speaker 1: the human condition includes some very stark realities, like we're

975
01:00:23,560 --> 01:00:27,280
Speaker 1: going to die. Get over it, because we're not going

976
01:00:27,320 --> 01:00:30,160
Speaker 1: to I'm not getting out of this alive. And I've

977
01:00:30,160 --> 01:00:34,160
Speaker 1: made a decision. I don't want the medical system to

978
01:00:34,240 --> 01:00:37,200
Speaker 1: parasitize my death for three or four hundred grand and

979
01:00:37,240 --> 01:00:39,600
Speaker 1: then have Tanner paying for it. I don't want to

980
01:00:39,640 --> 01:00:43,320
Speaker 1: do that. Well, that's kind of an unusual idea. But

981
01:00:43,360 --> 01:00:46,080
Speaker 1: when more and more of us older people say, come

982
01:00:46,120 --> 01:00:49,200
Speaker 1: on now, you know, an extra six months for half

983
01:00:49,280 --> 01:00:52,960
Speaker 1: a million, now, I don't think so screw off. Now

984
01:00:53,000 --> 01:00:56,160
Speaker 1: the system starts to repair itself because of self governance

985
01:00:56,480 --> 01:01:00,720
Speaker 1: to be able to accept the human condition that there

986
01:01:00,760 --> 01:01:04,440
Speaker 1: are differences. Man. I got Royce working here with me

987
01:01:04,480 --> 01:01:07,760
Speaker 1: in the studio and he's thirty three years old and

988
01:01:08,080 --> 01:01:11,880
Speaker 1: he can get up in the morning and fight. I mean,

989
01:01:11,880 --> 01:01:13,240
Speaker 1: I get up in the morning. I just want my

990
01:01:13,360 --> 01:01:16,960
Speaker 1: back to quit hurt. You know, there's differences between people, right,

991
01:01:17,040 --> 01:01:20,320
Speaker 1: I mean it's like, okay, but I have my strengths

992
01:01:20,480 --> 01:01:23,600
Speaker 1: and my weaknesses, you have yours. Why are we so

993
01:01:23,960 --> 01:01:29,680
Speaker 1: interested in socializing everybody's weakness because when we do that,

994
01:01:30,080 --> 01:01:33,600
Speaker 1: we eliminate everybody's strength at the same time. But nobody

995
01:01:33,640 --> 01:01:37,760
Speaker 1: talks to it. I would like our leadership, our leaders

996
01:01:37,760 --> 01:01:44,320
Speaker 1: are candidates to inspire the young people about what this

997
01:01:44,480 --> 01:01:47,680
Speaker 1: is all supposed to be about, because I think we forgot.

998
01:01:47,880 --> 01:01:53,160
Speaker 2: I hope somebody really rewinds what you just said about

999
01:01:53,480 --> 01:01:56,680
Speaker 2: when you focus on all those weaknesses, you actually remove

1000
01:01:56,720 --> 01:02:00,560
Speaker 2: the strengths. I hope somebody really catches is a death's

1001
01:02:00,600 --> 01:02:08,520
Speaker 2: a clap because uh yeah. So back to the human condition,

1002
01:02:09,360 --> 01:02:11,240
Speaker 2: there is a lot of hope. There's a lot of

1003
01:02:11,240 --> 01:02:14,120
Speaker 2: hope going on with Tanner's age group, and and lots

1004
01:02:14,120 --> 01:02:17,360
Speaker 2: of good people across the state who the human condition

1005
01:02:17,480 --> 01:02:20,800
Speaker 2: is kicking in and just out of survival. It's starting

1006
01:02:20,840 --> 01:02:28,720
Speaker 2: to motivate and inspire logic streams and ideas and innovation

1007
01:02:29,480 --> 01:02:31,840
Speaker 2: that are making a difference and are going to come

1008
01:02:31,840 --> 01:02:35,680
Speaker 2: back to the surface. And our republic is built to

1009
01:02:35,720 --> 01:02:40,280
Speaker 2: sustain the downtimes, in my opinion, and then thrive again

1010
01:02:40,480 --> 01:02:43,919
Speaker 2: when these when that human condition starts to kick into

1011
01:02:43,920 --> 01:02:47,400
Speaker 2: gear again. And I believe it's kicking into gear. And

1012
01:02:47,440 --> 01:02:49,240
Speaker 2: we have a lot of people that are just going

1013
01:02:49,320 --> 01:02:53,080
Speaker 2: to need a little bit of encouragement to utilize that

1014
01:02:53,080 --> 01:02:57,440
Speaker 2: that that new found energy and new found logic stream

1015
01:02:57,560 --> 01:03:00,760
Speaker 2: of making things a little bit more practical and sensible.

1016
01:03:00,760 --> 01:03:04,800
Speaker 2: And to your point, if we just look at life

1017
01:03:05,360 --> 01:03:10,880
Speaker 2: as a tragedy and constantly, oh, we're going to die,

1018
01:03:10,920 --> 01:03:13,280
Speaker 2: and then try to avoid that or not grapple with it,

1019
01:03:13,400 --> 01:03:16,760
Speaker 2: or create all kinds of crazy ideas to deal with it,

1020
01:03:16,320 --> 01:03:21,520
Speaker 2: and it puts a burden on other people. Yeah, that again,

1021
01:03:21,600 --> 01:03:23,600
Speaker 2: the human condition is eventually going to take over and

1022
01:03:23,720 --> 01:03:25,600
Speaker 2: people like what you're saying is, I don't want to

1023
01:03:25,640 --> 01:03:28,520
Speaker 2: cause that problem with with the young people that are

1024
01:03:28,520 --> 01:03:32,680
Speaker 2: going to have to take care of me. We have

1025
01:03:32,840 --> 01:03:35,760
Speaker 2: too many people who for too long have had the

1026
01:03:36,000 --> 01:03:41,560
Speaker 2: opportunity to develop nice, little packaged ideas to deal with

1027
01:03:41,640 --> 01:03:46,520
Speaker 2: the the sadness of life. And you can apply that

1028
01:03:46,800 --> 01:03:51,680
Speaker 2: to every portion of our government where these people I

1029
01:03:51,720 --> 01:03:55,120
Speaker 2: call them the good fairy dust people. But they're well intentionally,

1030
01:03:55,240 --> 01:03:58,240
Speaker 2: well intended, or at least they think they think they

1031
01:03:58,320 --> 01:04:01,160
Speaker 2: are right, and so you develop all these and then

1032
01:04:01,200 --> 01:04:05,280
Speaker 2: they throw the little meme or the little bomb, the

1033
01:04:05,320 --> 01:04:08,440
Speaker 2: little the fairy dust bomb, be very dust bomb over

1034
01:04:08,440 --> 01:04:10,840
Speaker 2: the fence, and then they're nowhere to be found to

1035
01:04:10,840 --> 01:04:14,160
Speaker 2: put into practice what they came up with for an idea.

1036
01:04:14,840 --> 01:04:19,160
Speaker 2: And I know that sounds over simplistic, but that's essentially

1037
01:04:19,200 --> 01:04:22,520
Speaker 2: what's wrong with every portion of our government and our

1038
01:04:22,600 --> 01:04:26,360
Speaker 2: governance is this, you know, good fairy idea is a

1039
01:04:26,400 --> 01:04:29,840
Speaker 2: good fairy idea bomb over the fence from there's no one.

1040
01:04:29,840 --> 01:04:34,200
Speaker 1: Coming from good people. I mean, the feedback loop is broken.

1041
01:04:34,240 --> 01:04:37,000
Speaker 1: They're not looking at the results. And of course when

1042
01:04:37,040 --> 01:04:40,240
Speaker 1: you fairy dust bomb a bunch of money, there's a

1043
01:04:40,240 --> 01:04:42,640
Speaker 1: lot of bad people that show up with their baskets

1044
01:04:42,680 --> 01:04:45,280
Speaker 1: open saying, you know, I'm going to take this. That's

1045
01:04:45,800 --> 01:04:49,760
Speaker 1: that's the part that I think regular, good, hardworking citizens

1046
01:04:49,760 --> 01:04:54,880
Speaker 1: don't recognize is the grifters are in there, really seriously

1047
01:04:55,640 --> 01:04:59,680
Speaker 1: intentionally taking everything they can get that's not tied down.

1048
01:05:00,040 --> 01:05:02,840
Speaker 1: Seeing that Minnesota right now, with all the fraud, it's

1049
01:05:02,920 --> 01:05:04,800
Speaker 1: kind of kind of stunning, isn't it.

1050
01:05:05,000 --> 01:05:07,120
Speaker 2: The grifters. It's a really good way to put it.

1051
01:05:07,520 --> 01:05:09,880
Speaker 2: I'll use a barn analogy. It's going to sound a

1052
01:05:09,920 --> 01:05:12,680
Speaker 2: little bit abstract. But you know, I can clean the

1053
01:05:12,720 --> 01:05:14,640
Speaker 2: barn and make sure the barn is really cleaned up

1054
01:05:14,640 --> 01:05:17,040
Speaker 2: and looking beautiful and good for all the animals and

1055
01:05:17,080 --> 01:05:19,480
Speaker 2: literally healthy you come visit the barn. But all I

1056
01:05:19,480 --> 01:05:22,480
Speaker 2: did was put the manure just outside the door. Well,

1057
01:05:22,520 --> 01:05:26,840
Speaker 2: all those parasites, all those grifters are still right outside

1058
01:05:26,840 --> 01:05:30,520
Speaker 2: the door in the manure pile. I didn't actually fix

1059
01:05:30,560 --> 01:05:33,680
Speaker 2: the problem, and I just moved it out of it.

1060
01:05:34,240 --> 01:05:37,280
Speaker 2: That's great, And I know that sounds a little bit silly,

1061
01:05:37,280 --> 01:05:41,400
Speaker 2: but it's the simple truth that the grifters just the

1062
01:05:41,440 --> 01:05:44,000
Speaker 2: people that really need the support, the people that are

1063
01:05:44,040 --> 01:05:48,520
Speaker 2: engaged to get the support to people. They get kind

1064
01:05:48,520 --> 01:05:51,560
Speaker 2: of cleaned up and looked fancy and stuff. But the

1065
01:05:51,600 --> 01:05:55,240
Speaker 2: grifters that are waiting on the sidelines.

1066
01:05:54,720 --> 01:05:57,920
Speaker 1: In the NGOs, with this illicit funding, with this illicit

1067
01:05:58,520 --> 01:06:04,840
Speaker 1: whole system of intermediaries between governance, which is money because

1068
01:06:04,880 --> 01:06:06,840
Speaker 1: government takes money away from one group of people and

1069
01:06:06,840 --> 01:06:09,520
Speaker 1: gives it to another. And the government has outsourced a

1070
01:06:09,560 --> 01:06:11,800
Speaker 1: lot of this to this entire industry. There's over thirty

1071
01:06:11,840 --> 01:06:16,680
Speaker 1: thousandngos in Minnesota, over thirty thousand, one little state. It's crazy.

1072
01:06:17,200 --> 01:06:19,040
Speaker 1: I'm going to build on something because I think this

1073
01:06:19,520 --> 01:06:23,280
Speaker 1: is really important what you said about the roads. Now,

1074
01:06:23,320 --> 01:06:26,680
Speaker 1: if you live in the Twin Cities, I've been saying

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Speaker 1: this for decades. I almost feel like they're mean about it.

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Speaker 1: I mean, the way they do the road work, they

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Speaker 1: make sure that your life is hell, particularly if you

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Speaker 1: live in the western suburbs, which is a little bit

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Speaker 1: more red than other areas. But you brought up something

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Speaker 1: very beautiful that we have better technologies, yet they're not

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Speaker 1: being implemented right because there's a business model there that's

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Speaker 1: working for some of the people in that revenue stream.

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Speaker 1: When the money is taken away from us, and government

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Speaker 1: is the intermediary, takes a commission, which is the salary

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Speaker 1: of all the workers in the government. That's their commission,

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Speaker 1: and they take the money from me and they give

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Speaker 1: it to the road builder who then builds a road

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Speaker 1: which is going to become it's going to be need

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Speaker 1: to be repaired. They know exactly when it's on a

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Speaker 1: schedule when they build the road. And in fact, in

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Speaker 1: my neighborhood they're tearing up roads that seem to me

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Speaker 1: to be a okay, like why are you doing this? Okay?

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Speaker 1: So that's all part of government. But you know a road.

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Speaker 1: You said, infrastructure is very important. Well, there's no more

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Speaker 1: important thing than you said than the human infrastructure of

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Speaker 1: the state. He said, that's the great strength of the state.

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Speaker 1: Our education system. I mean, we were spending all this

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Speaker 1: money on education. Tanner and I were talking about that.

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Speaker 1: He said that everybody should be taught how to make

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Speaker 1: a fire. Wasn't a yeah, build a fire, build a

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Speaker 1: fire life skill? Well, you know the essential life skills.

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Speaker 1: You grew up on the farm, correct, So you have

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Speaker 1: a lot of those skills I assume taught to you

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Speaker 1: by relatives. It's part of the culture agriculture, not agra

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Speaker 1: business agra culture. So you have a lot of self

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Speaker 1: governance skills, such that when a guy comes and he

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Speaker 1: goes man, you go, have you looked at the pilot

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Speaker 1: light and you actually have to go over and show

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Speaker 1: him how to light a pilot light and his water

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Speaker 1: heater because maybe that was the only problem with the

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Speaker 1: water heater. He didn't know that, right. Well, our educational system,

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Speaker 1: you're the governor of the state. What could we teach

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Speaker 1: our young people that would strengthen the state immeasurably That

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Speaker 1: is not currently part of the curriculum.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so learning learning styles and inspiring children to develop

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Speaker 2: skills is there's a lot of good, healthy people out

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Speaker 2: there that are really fixating on developing skill based learning,

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Speaker 2: and it's not getting the attention that it should be

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Speaker 2: getting because we're so fixated on these ideological things that

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Speaker 2: have nothing to do with skills based learning. And so

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Speaker 2: we can as setting the tone and coming in with

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Speaker 2: executive order, we can stop all these DEI LGBTQ plus

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Speaker 2: on it. And that's not to diminish anybody's particular physical

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Speaker 2: or health needs. It's just to say we need to

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Speaker 2: actually have some skills. Some of these ideological things are meaningless.

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Speaker 2: If you can't start a fire, if you can't start

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Speaker 2: the water heater, if you can't figure out why the

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Speaker 2: outlet doesn't work, and it's don't laugh, but literally had

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Speaker 2: to help an employee that should know better. Yeah, none

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Speaker 2: of the outlets are working because the breaker switches popped.

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Speaker 2: I mean, so GF I switches. There's a little button

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Speaker 2: on the little outlet there that you just got to

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Speaker 2: reset the gf I switch. It's real simple, and it

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Speaker 2: sounds silly and almost insulting to the people, but.

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Speaker 1: No, it's not because the urban dwellers are so dis

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Speaker 1: embodied from the natural way. And it really goes into

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Speaker 1: this healthcare expenditure because if people don't know how to

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Speaker 1: enhance their well being, then they're going to be sick. Right,

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Speaker 1: And we don't really do a very good job teaching

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Speaker 1: our young people how to compress their morbidity and extend

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Speaker 1: their more their longevity. And I'm looking at this and

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Speaker 1: I'm thinking, you know, come on now, we're spending billions

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Speaker 1: and billions and billions teaching people and I'm not here

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Speaker 1: to argue with the ideological aspect of it. How about that?

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Speaker 1: How about the missing piece? How do you live a long,

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Speaker 1: healthy life? Right? I mean, why are we teaching people

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Speaker 1: some of this other stuff when the fundamental building block,

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Speaker 1: which could reduce costs across a whole rank, It would

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Speaker 1: reduce policing costs because people would be well and they

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Speaker 1: wouldn't be passed.

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Speaker 2: For example, how many people die per day because of

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Speaker 2: just simple skills of everything from driving to operating a

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Speaker 2: piece of equipment. How many people are dead every day

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Speaker 2: because of just what some people could look at and say,

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Speaker 2: why that was really not smart?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, something we talked about yesterday on a podcast is

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Speaker 3: also like following that conversation of things that should be

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Speaker 3: taught in schools, we talked about gun safety because the

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Speaker 3: third main killer from firearms are accidental deaths, people just

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Speaker 3: looking down the barrel, playing around with it, right, And

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Speaker 3: you laugh at that because like the first rule is

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Speaker 3: you don't point the end of the guns.

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Speaker 1: But that even goes into a deeper issue, and it

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Speaker 1: goes into the issue of the sanctity of life. Right,

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Speaker 1: that's a sanctity of life issue. It's an awareness issue.

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Speaker 1: But if you don't have a belief in the sanctity

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Speaker 1: of life, then you're going to be a little bit

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Speaker 1: more cavalier with a weapon.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: In farming that there's a I think I mentioned it

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Speaker 2: the last time I was here. There's a group called

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Speaker 2: they just call it farm Fathers Against Raising Morons. I

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Speaker 2: love it. It's just so practical and it so speaks

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Speaker 2: to so much of what we're because, Yeah, and the

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Speaker 2: sad thing is is most of my real learning was

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Speaker 2: done on the battlefield literally or at the farm where

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Speaker 2: you could literally.

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Speaker 5: In the arm or in the classroom where you get

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Speaker 5: on the wall, on the ball field where yeah, I'm

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Speaker 5: going to get crushed by that guy if I don't

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Speaker 5: you know, And these practical things become so abstract and

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Speaker 5: unattainable when you sit in this.

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Speaker 2: Bubble learning all these ideological things and trying to have

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Speaker 2: void harm or trying to avoid is kind of to

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Speaker 2: your statement a little while ago about when you you're

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Speaker 2: so I remember how you said it. Now you're so

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Speaker 2: focused on the the the the weak or the what

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Speaker 2: I tell you to remember?

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Speaker 1: Oh, I would saying when you socialize people's weaknesses and

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Speaker 1: then you lose your strengths, you eliminate their careers.

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Speaker 2: It's the same thing with these skills. You're so fixated

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Speaker 2: on creating this bubble where everybody's going to be happy

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Speaker 2: and and that's not life. That's not practical, and it's

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Speaker 2: not appropriate. And these same basic principles can be applied

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Speaker 2: to governance and to making decisions decisions in the governor's office.

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Speaker 2: You know, protecting people from inevitable realities is not kindness

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Speaker 2: or compassion. If you're kind and compassionate governor, parent, teacher, administrator,

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Speaker 2: you're going to find ways to help people develop skills

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Speaker 2: to cope with the reality of life, not to avoid it.

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Speaker 1: You know this is very interesting, and this is my

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Speaker 1: and I'm you can take my advice and leave it

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Speaker 1: at the table when you leave. But I think these

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Speaker 1: are the issues that are going to get people elected.

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Speaker 1: I think that talking about taxes or policing or DEI

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Speaker 1: getting down on the weeds with all this stuff. You know,

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Speaker 1: That's the way it's been my entire life. We've been

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Speaker 1: arguing about taxes since I was my first vote, but

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Speaker 1: nobody's talking about And this is why I'm saying this.

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Speaker 1: You said it's not appropriate for the government to try

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Speaker 1: to bash in people against the reality of life. Well,

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Speaker 1: of course government's going to do it when people have

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Speaker 1: no faith, because they have no mechanism to deal with it.

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Speaker 1: I've been working on my faith since I was a child,

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Speaker 1: so when death comes for me, I have some mechanism

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Speaker 1: for dealing with it. One could say that the whole

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Speaker 1: religious path is to just get you ready for the end,

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Speaker 1: because that's nobody wants the goal. Well, not nobody, but

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Speaker 1: most of us want to hang in here because even

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Speaker 1: if we're not having a good time, it's better than

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Speaker 1: the alternative. But when we lose that self governance that

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Speaker 1: comes from self development, then government ends up filling that

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Speaker 1: in and it's completely ill prepared and ill equipped and

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Speaker 1: inappropriate to do so. And that's why we're losing so

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Speaker 1: much money. That's why we're taxing our people so hard.

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Speaker 2: I'm going to tie into something that's really been on

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Speaker 2: my head and heart for especially the last few months.

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Speaker 2: Wouldn't it be nice to just feel inspired again? Yes,

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Speaker 2: to feel excited and energetic and going after a goal

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Speaker 2: and objective. I mean, I've been thinking a lot about

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Speaker 2: my I've spent some time back in my childhood areas

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Speaker 2: and talking with people, and I remember being so inspired.

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Speaker 2: I was so inspired that I actually wrote in one

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Speaker 2: of my journals the first year I could run for president,

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Speaker 2: I just I think you're onto something with Forget about

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Speaker 2: all of the nuances of governance, of taxes and finance

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Speaker 2: and infrastructure, and get back to it. Wouldn't it be

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Speaker 2: nice if we had some leaders amongst us who inspired

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Speaker 2: us and just really gave us a sense of hope

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Speaker 2: and courage and wisdom. And I know that again that

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Speaker 2: sounds really abstract to the people that just want to

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Speaker 2: talk about money, or just want to talk about roads,

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Speaker 2: or just want to talk about healthcare. But wouldn't it

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Speaker 2: be nice to be inspired again, genuinely inspired, And I

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Speaker 2: think that's what you're onto is. Yeah, it is about faith.

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Speaker 2: It is about our whole being, not just these tangible

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Speaker 2: things at the moment that might make.

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Speaker 1: Us some material.

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Speaker 2: It's this whole person here that has a need to

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Speaker 2: fill and getting to that point where we're inspired again

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Speaker 2: and hopeful and encouraged.

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Speaker 1: Were you conscious when John Kennedy was president?

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Speaker 2: Yes?

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Speaker 1: Do you remember what that felt like in the sixties,

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Speaker 1: how we felt here? You know, you don't have I

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Speaker 1: think I've said this to before. You know, for young people.

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Speaker 1: You know, you have no idea what it felt like

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Speaker 1: to grow up in the fifties and sixties, because it

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Speaker 1: was really we thought we could do. You know, you

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Speaker 1: talk about being president, me too. We were all told

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Speaker 1: you could be president. We all had this feeling like

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Speaker 1: we can go as far as we can go, go go.

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Speaker 1: Because we didn't have this socialist ethos that had permeated

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Speaker 1: our culture. We were all expected, well, like the Marines,

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Speaker 1: be all you can be right, you know, yeah, let's

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Speaker 1: go for it.

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Speaker 2: We had a great bunch of teachers and families in

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Speaker 2: our community, West Conker, Minnesota, where I was just talking

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Speaker 2: to a friend, Coach Gunnus. His daughter ka Kaya and

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Speaker 2: I have had this like long relationship and sorry, her

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Speaker 2: mother is a big reason why that thing burns in me.

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Speaker 2: I'll call it sorry.

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Speaker 1: It's okay, you God, take your time. It will never

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Speaker 1: see you be emotional. I've known you for a long time,

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Speaker 1: so just yeah, tell a story.

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Speaker 2: So I developed something I call the lifeguard theory, and

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Speaker 2: it's because of missus Gunnas. Phil, you're not a lifeguard

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Speaker 2: if you're dead, and so getting that training to be

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Speaker 2: a lifeguard and to be a swimming instructor, I internalize that.

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Speaker 2: I think I'm out here. I want to help people.

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Speaker 2: I want to help people survive, and if I can

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Speaker 2: do something to save one life, to do it. But

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Speaker 2: she had she could see my enthusiasm, and she could

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Speaker 2: see where it could go wrong, and she said, Phil,

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Speaker 2: you're not a lifeguard if you're dead. And that stuck

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Speaker 2: with me, and that basic principle, as simple as it

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Speaker 2: might sound, is very complex because if we are to survive,

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Speaker 2: if we don't understand our limitations, what we can do

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Speaker 2: and can't do, and how actually providing assistance could end

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Speaker 2: up with multiple deaths versus saving someone so if I

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Speaker 2: go to save someone that I believe is the right

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Speaker 2: choice to save, but that winds up with everyone dead,

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Speaker 2: how was I a lifeguard?

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Speaker 1: I think the viewers and maybe you don't. Do you

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Speaker 1: know this Stannard that when you go to save somebody

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Speaker 1: in the water, they'll drown you. Yeah, I mean so

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Speaker 1: that when you get that kind of training, you have

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Speaker 1: to understand that they'll take you down with them unintentionally

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Speaker 1: because they're you know, they've kind of lost conscious. And

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Speaker 1: that's what I think you're alluding to that training is

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Speaker 1: that's a very sophisticated level of insight, and it's.

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Speaker 2: A basic principle that applies to so many different aspects

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Speaker 2: of our lives, where we we think we're doing the

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01:20:20,160 --> 01:20:24,960
Speaker 2: right thing because of some passionate idea, but in the

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01:20:25,080 --> 01:20:29,400
Speaker 2: end we have to be conscious of the outcome or

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Speaker 2: the possible potential outcomes and make a decision. It doesn't

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Speaker 2: fix real really that challenge in the sense of I

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Speaker 2: still got to make a decision, but the concept that

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Speaker 2: I'm no longer the useful vehicle to help someone's other

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Speaker 2: other people's lives because I've now made a bad decision,

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Speaker 2: that her influence just really changed how I look at

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Speaker 2: a lot of things I have.

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Speaker 1: I had a similar experience with the Philosopher that I

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01:21:02,800 --> 01:21:05,360
Speaker 1: read when I was young like that, And I say

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Speaker 1: this a lot. If I'm not for myself, who will be?

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Speaker 1: But if I'm only for myself, what am I? It's

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Speaker 1: the same idea but a little different, right is it?

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Speaker 1: Not the same idea but a little different. And I

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Speaker 1: think this really goes into the religious frame in the

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Speaker 1: sense that when Christ said love your neighbor as you

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Speaker 1: wish to be loved, you know, we got we got

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Speaker 1: givers and takers. That's just the way life is. And

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Speaker 1: sometimes I take and sometimes I give, But overall I'm

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Speaker 1: a giver. I mean I you know. And in fact,

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Speaker 1: if you're out there and you're wondering if you're a

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01:21:39,560 --> 01:21:42,800
Speaker 1: giver a taker, I ask yourself you got people using you?

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Speaker 1: Because if you got people using you, you're probably a giver.

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Speaker 1: And that's not a bad thing. I mean, it's just

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Speaker 1: this is like you had to learn that because if

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Speaker 1: you get used up, you're no longer able to give.

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Speaker 1: And that's a lot like government. I mean, that's what

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Speaker 1: you're heading with.

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Speaker 2: This, because there's that balance piece that really drives my thinking.

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Speaker 2: There's a difference between compassion of really taking care of needs,

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Speaker 2: genuine needs, and exploitation and getting that balance because it's

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Speaker 2: not all black and white, just one or the other.

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Speaker 2: There are people that might be on the side of

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Speaker 2: exploiting you, but they really don't understand then, they really

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Speaker 2: don't know how they got there, and there's possibility for

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Speaker 2: them to get back in line of having a kind

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Speaker 2: of a purpose driven life. But then on the other

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Speaker 2: end of the spectrum that compassion, getting that balance to

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Speaker 2: where you can discern who's actually ill intended and who

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01:22:45,800 --> 01:22:51,160
Speaker 2: actually has something good in mind. That's not an easy

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01:22:51,200 --> 01:22:53,960
Speaker 2: part of life. And again it's back to what I

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Speaker 2: call the lifeguard theory. Yeah, you're not a lifeguard if

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Speaker 2: you're dead. So our state is back to the constitutional republic,

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01:23:03,000 --> 01:23:07,320
Speaker 2: where we're not a free society if we're dead, and

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Speaker 2: socialism and Marxism is going to lead to death. It's

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Speaker 2: fixated on death, it's not fixated on sustaining life and freedom,

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Speaker 2: whereas the constitutional Republic is fixated on building life and freedom,

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Speaker 2: a freedom to let life flourish.

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Speaker 1: Because that's the most well being state of governance.

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 1: This is based on experience and experiment. So when you

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Speaker 1: have a Marxist and there's Marxists that are going to

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Speaker 1: listen to this right in Minneapolis, and I interact with

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Speaker 1: some of these people pretty regularly. A lot of them

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Speaker 1: are young, and a lot of them are very idealistic,

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Speaker 1: and they see the problem with Republican governance because we

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Speaker 1: got the users in the Republican side. Also, this requires

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Speaker 1: a certain kind of individual faithfulness which doesn't have to

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Speaker 1: carry into governance as a state religion. It has to

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Speaker 1: carry in the governance with you know, enlighten people that

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Speaker 1: are purpose driven and their purpose is to do the

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Speaker 1: best they can for the society without getting the boat swamped,

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Speaker 1: which is what you're talking about right now. And I

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Speaker 1: see this in this growing Marxist movement here in the cities.

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Speaker 1: And what I think these people don't understand is just

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Speaker 1: their longevity, just their well being, will be negatively impacted

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Speaker 1: by this form of governance. And Republicanism, with all of

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Speaker 1: its shortcomings which it has, does seem to historically provide

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Speaker 1: a pathway for the best outcomes in this very short

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Speaker 1: window of time we call my life. And I want

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Speaker 1: that from my children, I want it for Tanner I

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01:24:48,880 --> 01:24:51,280
Speaker 1: want it for everybody. But you know, to get that,

1376
01:24:52,080 --> 01:24:56,360
Speaker 1: you gotta do something. You gotta develop the life skills.

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Speaker 1: What did you call that organization? Farmers against ray Morons.

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Speaker 1: We don't want to have a society of morons. We

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Speaker 1: want to have a society of purpose driven into you know,

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Speaker 1: this is my feeling about it. Why Republicanism is in

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01:25:12,960 --> 01:25:16,040
Speaker 1: league in our state. We're having a conversation off Mike,

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Speaker 1: I mean, why is it this way between the Republicans

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Speaker 1: and the Democrats. It's hard to govern purpose driven people.

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Speaker 1: I mean, that's a lot of work to do that

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01:25:26,600 --> 01:25:30,519
Speaker 1: a bunch of free people. Man talk about herding cats. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you know, but when you got a bunch of people

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Speaker 1: on the payroll, then the government has a much easier

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Speaker 1: And why would you want to be a leftist and

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Speaker 1: be controlled?

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Speaker 2: What?

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Speaker 1: But there seems to be a psychology of people that

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Speaker 1: are willing to accept that and that's just not part

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Speaker 1: of the culture you and I grew up in.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and again, I think the hopefulness is what I'm

1395
01:25:52,560 --> 01:25:55,559
Speaker 2: seeing out talking with people and interacting on social media.

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01:25:56,479 --> 01:25:59,439
Speaker 2: That human condition is kicking in where they're recognizing the

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01:25:59,520 --> 01:26:02,920
Speaker 2: problem with it and then it's going to feel like

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Speaker 2: I'm not or just making false data points. But it's

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01:26:08,880 --> 01:26:11,080
Speaker 2: going to feel like that because you're getting false data

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Speaker 2: points from the legacy media.

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Speaker 1: Hey, you gotta do me a favorite Tanner. When we

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01:26:14,520 --> 01:26:17,320
Speaker 1: put this row night, you got to figure out when

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01:26:17,360 --> 01:26:21,760
Speaker 1: this conversation got good and say stay till forty three

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01:26:21,800 --> 01:26:24,679
Speaker 1: minutes in because we were pissing around with a bunch

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01:26:24,720 --> 01:26:27,880
Speaker 1: of policy stuff, and man, when we locked in, we

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01:26:28,000 --> 01:26:30,639
Speaker 1: got to some good stuff. And I think what triggered

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Speaker 1: it is. I think you can be an inspirational speaker

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Speaker 1: and leader. Yeah, And I really don't care. I mean no,

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Speaker 1: I do fear.

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Speaker 4: I don't.

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Speaker 3: I don't even think Phil. I want you to know

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01:26:42,040 --> 01:26:43,640
Speaker 3: me personally. You inspire me.

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Speaker 2: Thank you.

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Speaker 4: It's it's something you know.

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Speaker 3: I hope you don't see it as a weakness for

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01:26:48,040 --> 01:26:50,920
Speaker 3: you to shed some tears on this podcast. It shows

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01:26:50,960 --> 01:26:53,880
Speaker 3: me that you're human. One of the best verses in

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Speaker 3: the Bible. I can't remember you remember it Jesus wept. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: and that's what I always think of.

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Speaker 4: So it is.

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Speaker 1: Know.

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Speaker 3: I'm really happy to see how emotionally moved you actually are.

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Speaker 1: Oh, he didn't expect it. That was not acting. I

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01:27:06,320 --> 01:27:09,200
Speaker 1: get around these political people and they act like this,

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01:27:09,720 --> 01:27:12,040
Speaker 1: and I get pissed about it. But you are like

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Speaker 1: totally live life with that, which was cool.

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Speaker 4: It shows me that you actually care.

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Speaker 3: And that's that's what's inspiring because a lot of my

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01:27:17,920 --> 01:27:21,000
Speaker 3: cohort we see double faces.

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Speaker 4: That's what we see.

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Speaker 1: Two faces.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm sorry.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, no, I appreciate that a lot. Thank you.

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Speaker 2: I'm inspired to kind of share a little bit of

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01:27:31,280 --> 01:27:35,280
Speaker 2: a story that I wrote about some time ago. Now

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Speaker 2: I'll try to find it and I'll try to bring

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Speaker 2: it back to the top. But I wrote a story

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Speaker 2: about being a father and talking about caring. I spent

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01:27:42,800 --> 01:27:45,080
Speaker 2: so much. We have six children between the two of

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01:27:45,160 --> 01:27:48,599
Speaker 2: us because of life tragedies and somehow the Holy Spirit

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01:27:48,640 --> 01:27:50,360
Speaker 2: found away for Vicky and I to be together. But

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Speaker 2: being a parent, I didn't want my children to go through.

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01:27:54,560 --> 01:27:57,799
Speaker 2: So it's the socialist Marxist I don't want my children

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01:27:57,800 --> 01:27:59,760
Speaker 2: to ever have to live like I live. I spent

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01:28:00,080 --> 01:28:03,479
Speaker 2: decades believing in my head and heart, I don't want

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01:28:03,520 --> 01:28:05,320
Speaker 2: them to have to live like I had to live.

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Speaker 2: And then I got to this midpoint in life where

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Speaker 2: the kids are all kind of up and growing and

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Speaker 2: doing their own thing, and I thought, you know, my, my,

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01:28:14,760 --> 01:28:18,559
Speaker 2: the two of the children kind of got the worst

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Speaker 2: of me, so to speak, because that the practice.

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Speaker 1: Those are the practice kids.

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Speaker 2: Even though even though I was maybe well intended, kind

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01:28:25,920 --> 01:28:29,120
Speaker 2: of like a socialist Marxist, I might have had well

1455
01:28:29,160 --> 01:28:32,160
Speaker 2: intended ideas, but I didn't give them a lot of

1456
01:28:32,200 --> 01:28:35,439
Speaker 2: practical skills. I didn't focus on the right points. I

1457
01:28:35,479 --> 01:28:38,800
Speaker 2: was out of balance. The youngest one has had the

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01:28:38,840 --> 01:28:42,519
Speaker 2: benefit of so this poem that I wrote about for

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01:28:42,640 --> 01:28:46,840
Speaker 2: my children that you know, I used to think that

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Speaker 2: I don't want you to go through this, but now

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01:28:48,920 --> 01:28:52,080
Speaker 2: I know I'm abbreviating it. But now I know it

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01:28:52,160 --> 01:28:56,120
Speaker 2: was my job to help you prepare with skills and

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01:28:56,160 --> 01:28:58,920
Speaker 2: ideas to deal with and cope with life, not avoid it.

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Speaker 2: And all of that principle comes from I'm nearly sixty.

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01:29:02,920 --> 01:29:07,439
Speaker 2: Now comes from just literally lifelong facing the truth and

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Speaker 2: being humble enough to admit I was a screwed up

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Speaker 2: mass at times. I've never had it right at times,

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Speaker 2: but there's other times where I did have it right,

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Speaker 2: and I should have been more courageous, I should have

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Speaker 2: been more determined. And it kind of comes back to

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Speaker 2: a sports analogy. If you see that ball going in

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01:29:24,200 --> 01:29:27,920
Speaker 2: the hoop and you're focused on success, you're gonna get there.

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01:29:28,680 --> 01:29:31,280
Speaker 2: But if you just focus on I'm a bad dad,

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01:29:31,360 --> 01:29:33,040
Speaker 2: or I'm a bad this or a bad dad, or

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01:29:33,040 --> 01:29:34,880
Speaker 2: I failed at this or I failed at that, that's

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Speaker 2: what I'm gonna manifest. And so it's connected to this

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01:29:38,120 --> 01:29:39,600
Speaker 2: poem there wrote I'll try to find it.

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Speaker 1: Well. That goes for our whole state. I mean, we

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01:29:42,040 --> 01:29:47,120
Speaker 1: have this awful division, first of all within the Republican Party,

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01:29:47,240 --> 01:29:53,400
Speaker 1: which is just awful. Actually, it's beyond awful now it's

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01:29:53,439 --> 01:29:57,160
Speaker 1: become just it's intentional almost Yeah, Okay, so they've got

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01:29:57,320 --> 01:30:00,600
Speaker 1: and then we got the left out, which we have

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01:30:00,640 --> 01:30:04,439
Speaker 1: this huge gather and we're all American citizens, we're all

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01:30:04,520 --> 01:30:09,560
Speaker 1: human beings, we all bleed red, we're all going to die,

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01:30:09,880 --> 01:30:13,920
Speaker 1: we're all facing the same existential terrors of disease and

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01:30:14,080 --> 01:30:20,639
Speaker 1: death and separation and loss, and that common humanity can

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01:30:20,680 --> 01:30:23,320
Speaker 1: bring us together exactly. And we have to find the

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01:30:23,360 --> 01:30:27,479
Speaker 1: political language because there's life after Donald Trump coming real

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01:30:27,560 --> 01:30:30,800
Speaker 1: soon here, and there's really the kind of leadership has

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01:30:30,800 --> 01:30:35,479
Speaker 1: not emerged yet from within any either party. And I

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01:30:35,520 --> 01:30:38,599
Speaker 1: think it's about starting to speak to what brings us

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01:30:38,600 --> 01:30:43,120
Speaker 1: together as people and to stop always highlighting what brings

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01:30:43,200 --> 01:30:46,360
Speaker 1: us to odds with each other, and what would bring

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01:30:46,479 --> 01:30:52,880
Speaker 1: us together, for example, is educating our children not to

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01:30:52,960 --> 01:30:56,639
Speaker 1: get jobs in finance, but to live a long, healthy

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01:30:56,680 --> 01:31:00,439
Speaker 1: life to be able to cope with these chain challenges

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01:31:00,479 --> 01:31:05,040
Speaker 1: in life. I would be totally great with paying teachers

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01:31:05,080 --> 01:31:08,479
Speaker 1: a lot more money if the curriculum would be changed

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Speaker 1: with the feedback loop. But we're going to start people.

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Speaker 1: What do you call that? How to start a fire?

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Speaker 1: How to how to make a fire?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, just how to make a basic fire.

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Speaker 1: You know who knows how to do that in the

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Speaker 1: city now without a lighter, that'd be nobody.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: When I learned as boy Scouts, they hand us one

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Speaker 3: single match and they told us, this is it. If

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Speaker 3: you don't if you don't get it lit, you're trying

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Speaker 3: again next week. Maybe we'll see if you can get

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Speaker 3: the badge.

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Speaker 1: And then I'm thinking, as he says, boy scouts, that's

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Speaker 1: another institution that's been besmirched by the general degradation and

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Speaker 1: corruption of all of our critical institutions, which then makes

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Speaker 1: people not want to participate. You know, we have to

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Speaker 1: get back to some basic like you say, it's not right,

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Speaker 1: it's not left, it's not blue, it's not red. It's

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Speaker 1: the common sense of what's true, just and good, correct, correct,

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Speaker 1: and you're get interaction with that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And there's a lot of hope there. I'm finding

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Speaker 2: a lot of hope there that the great majority of

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Speaker 2: us are actually thinking like us. They really are, and

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Speaker 2: they don't get enough attention, they don't get enough credit

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Speaker 2: for it, and that's unfortunate. But we don't have to

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Speaker 2: worry about that anymore. We have each other, we can

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Speaker 2: have conversations, we have communication devices that we can amplify

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Speaker 2: the common discussion. And there's a lot of people like

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Speaker 2: us that are there's a lot of hope there. I'm

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Speaker 2: seeing a lot of hope. I'm actually inspired. I appreciate

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Speaker 2: that you're inspired by me, but I'm inspired by just

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Speaker 2: these chance meetings of running into people with these great

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Speaker 2: ideas that inspires me. And that's part of why I'm

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Speaker 2: doing this, is because I think we can focus on

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Speaker 2: those people that have good ideas and inspiring ideas. And

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Speaker 2: we got to stop dismissing people and putting them into categories.

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Speaker 2: And you're electable or you're not electable, or you're worth

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Speaker 2: listening to, or you're not worth listening to.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that electable thing, you know, you're We're going to

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Speaker 1: go for another two hours. That's another scam that because

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Speaker 1: we don't know what what what? Who's electable?

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Speaker 2: Who's to judge it?

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Speaker 1: Who's the judge? Seriously, well, we know who the judge

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Speaker 1: thinks he is, but.

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Speaker 4: It's supposed to be the people. People are the judge.

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Speaker 1: But well, the people, the people I think are lacking

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Speaker 1: in inspiration. So I'm going to just close by saying

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Speaker 1: we need a new generational leadership that helps the American

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Speaker 1: people rediscover not the Republican Party, but the concept of

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Speaker 1: republicanism and what it is to be self governing and

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Speaker 1: to be free and how that ties in the well being.

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Speaker 1: And I think if you do that, you're going to

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Speaker 1: be out there by yourself, because I think you understand it,

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Speaker 1: because I know your history. You know when you say

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Speaker 1: you learn a lot of life lessons on the battlefield,

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Speaker 1: you're not kidding. Unlike some of the folks that we

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01:33:55,360 --> 01:33:59,120
Speaker 1: have been subjected to, those are great lessons that make

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Speaker 1: you strong and share that's critical. Anyhow, it's so great

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01:34:03,160 --> 01:34:05,800
Speaker 1: that you came in You're always welcome here. All of

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01:34:05,840 --> 01:34:07,640
Speaker 1: the candidates are welcome here, and we're going to have

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Speaker 1: other candidates come in because we want to well, of course,

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Speaker 1: I'm trying to steer the dialogue. I want the dialogue

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Speaker 1: to be philosophical in addition to all these minutia that

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01:34:20,120 --> 01:34:24,920
Speaker 1: relative to well being, how much I pay for a fee.

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01:34:25,479 --> 01:34:27,759
Speaker 1: I mean, it's important, I'm not saying. But the people

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Speaker 1: that are focused on fees, we get them focused on

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01:34:30,240 --> 01:34:33,160
Speaker 1: long life and prosperity. That's what we want to talk about.

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Speaker 1: Any Thanks Phil, thank you so much for coming. Tanus,

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Speaker 1: thank you very much for coming in early this morning.

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Speaker 4: Of course, all right, have a good night everybody.

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