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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. A rich bratt mows down

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Speaker 1: Mo's down four beautiful Pepperdine sorority sisters. In the last hours,

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Speaker 1: we learned he hires the Karen Reid defense lawyer. I'm

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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. I want to thank

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Speaker 1: you for being with us.

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Speaker 2: Four beautiful young college sorority girls in their early twenties

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Speaker 2: with bright futures set out for a fun night in Malibu,

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Speaker 2: but in a shocking turn of events, that evening soon

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Speaker 2: became a nightmare.

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Speaker 1: Joining us tonight in addition to an all star panel

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Speaker 1: are two dear friends of the victims. But first listen

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Speaker 1: to this, these four.

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Speaker 3: Females were pronounced dead.

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Speaker 4: I see the Alpha FI sisters arrived at Sigma Kaye's

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Speaker 4: party and are waiting outside when a red BMW speeding

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Speaker 4: down the pch going at least one hundred miles per

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Speaker 4: hour suddenly swears from the road and slams into parked cars.

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Speaker 4: Partygoers scream as the parked cars are shoved into Nave, Peyton, Asha,

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Speaker 4: and Deslin, while bystanders call nine to one one and

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Speaker 4: attend to two others injured in the crash. The BMW's

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Speaker 4: driver gets out stumbling away from the mingled cars.

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Speaker 1: So don't bother telling me he was too out of

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Speaker 1: it or injured to know what he is doing under

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Speaker 1: the law that is called flight. I'm sure veteran trial

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Speaker 1: lawyer Brian Klaypool will argue with me about that. What

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Speaker 1: you heard earlier was from our friends at Malibu Times.

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Speaker 1: Four beautiful co eds in the prime of their lives,

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Speaker 1: standing there, minding their own business, are mowed down at

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Speaker 1: speeds up one hundred and four mph in a residential area.

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Speaker 1: Now will a rich brat manage to escape justice having

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Speaker 1: just hired a controversial defense attorney that helped Karen Read

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Speaker 1: get an acquittal again with me an all star panel.

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Speaker 1: But first I want to go to two very special guests.

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Speaker 1: Bridget Thompson, roommate and bestie with the Pepperdine crash victims,

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Speaker 1: and Coco Crandall, also roommate and best friend of the

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Speaker 1: crash victims. You know, to Coco Crandall, I don't call

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Speaker 1: it an accident because when you put your foot to

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Speaker 1: no accident. This is a crash. Tell me what you know,

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Speaker 1: Coco about the night of the deadly crash. It stole

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Speaker 1: your friends from you.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I remember getting a call that night saying, you know,

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Speaker 5: don't freak out, there's been an accident and we think

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Speaker 5: it was Ash's car. So I immediately drove down there

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Speaker 5: where I was like, they have no family, all their

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Speaker 3: You know, they need someone in.

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Speaker 5: Bridget met me, and Bridge I met at the scene

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Speaker 5: or as close to the scene as we could get.

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Speaker 5: But we just sat on the curb all night, not

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Speaker 5: really knowing what was going on. But then you know,

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Speaker 5: news broken once we hadn't heard from them for a

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Speaker 5: couple hours. Because we were always in contact with our friends,

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Speaker 5: we knew that something was wrong.

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Speaker 1: I'm just imagining U Coco crandall sitting there on the curb.

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Speaker 1: And I've got to tell you, I've been to so

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Speaker 1: many crime sayings and seeing family and loved ones and

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Speaker 1: best friends like you literally sitting on a curb because

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Speaker 1: there's nowhere to go, there's nowhere to sit, and you

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Speaker 1: just waiting. It's like everything comes to a standstill, everything

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Speaker 1: to know something, to find out something. Bridget Thompson also

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Speaker 1: what do you recall about that night?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, for me, I actually was supposed to be with

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Speaker 6: an accident and the girls aren't answering. I tried calling

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Speaker 1: Bridget. When you got to the scene, what did you observe?

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Speaker 6: Well, we couldn't get passed, like the police officer that

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Speaker 1: Did anyone or could anyone tell you what had happened.

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Speaker 6: Not directly, there was things coming out in the news

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Speaker 6: We heard there was four dead, six involved, so we

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Speaker 1: Bridget, did you try and question the police or try

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Speaker 6: We definitely did, but we knew that there wasn't really

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Speaker 1: What did you do? Who did you try to speak to?

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Speaker 6: What time of the night was this the cross recurred

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Speaker 6: we didn't know that they had died at the scene

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Speaker 1: Coco Crandall also joining us in addition to Bridget Thompson. Coco,

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Speaker 1: were you there sitting on the curb waiting for answers

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, So Bridget and I happen to get there around

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Speaker 5: the same time. And we both were pleading to the

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Speaker 5: on what was going on. And we're like, we know,

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Speaker 5: those are our friends in the scene, we can track them.

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Speaker 5: We see they're not quite at the party, and yeah,

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Speaker 5: like Bridget said, they couldn't really give us any answers.

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Speaker 5: So we just sat there for hours, you know, calling

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Speaker 5: six am the next morning when more information was released.

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Speaker 1: Who told the girls' parents?

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Speaker 5: Originally the school was the one to break it to them,

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Speaker 5: but the parents, I mean, you know, mothers know when

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Speaker 5: also calling and just saying, hey, you know, what's going on,

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Speaker 3: Whatever?

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Speaker 5: But the court it took a while for the coroner

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Speaker 1: Bridget, when did you first see or speak with the

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Speaker 6: I was in touch with some of them over the

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Speaker 6: October eighteenth, I someone came up to my room and said, news,

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Speaker 6: I just broke down because that was like a realization

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Speaker 1: Oh my stars, I cannot even imagine going down and

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Speaker 6: No, I didn't go back to that immediately, never went

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Speaker 6: had us in a hotel room on campus.

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Speaker 1: When you first saw the parents what happened.

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Speaker 3: It was hard.

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Speaker 6: They were obviously a mess beside themselves. They were unclear

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Speaker 6: them all the information that I knew, But it was

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Speaker 6: a situation that I wouldn't wish on anyone. It was

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Speaker 5: What do you recall, Yeah, I, like Bridget said, remember

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Speaker 3: They came so fast.

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Speaker 5: And I remember when Ash's parents came because they had

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Speaker 5: flew from the East Coast, and uh, there was just

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Speaker 5: so much sadness and grief and heaviness all around. And

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Speaker 5: I just remember walking outside the hotel and meeting her

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Speaker 3: A lot of tears shed.

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Speaker 5: And eventually we got to kind of all sit in

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Speaker 5: and we tried to just you know, tell their parents

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Speaker 5: all amazing memories that we've had with them at school

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Speaker 5: and how wonderful.

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Speaker 3: They are, and just share, you know, more about.

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Speaker 5: The how Malibu was a happy place for them.

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Speaker 1: It's just reminding me so much of when my fiance

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Speaker 1: was murged. When you're trying to in those first hours

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Speaker 1: and days after, it doesn't seem real. Your head knows

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Speaker 1: and you're like remembering events together, things you did together.

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Speaker 1: I don't know that's some sort of comfort or sell

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Speaker 6: Why oh, I just couldn't. I mean, when I left there,

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Speaker 6: I could still picture them right now. They were all

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Speaker 6: had so many amazing memories in that apartment. I mean,

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Speaker 6: we spent every second together. So I couldn't imagine going

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Speaker 6: because I felt like I needed that for my closure.

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Speaker 6: When I walked in our apartment, it was clear that

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Speaker 6: they were meant to come back. It was clear they

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Speaker 6: had their pajamas set out on their bed, their lights

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Speaker 6: it was truly heartbreaking.

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Speaker 1: Then you are at the crash scene. Girls, did you

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Speaker 1: see the defendant?

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Speaker 3: No, we did not.

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Speaker 1: Crime Stores with Nancy Gray joining me. Now, Crime Stories

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Speaker 1: investigative reporter Dave mac who is the defendant.

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Speaker 7: His name is Fraser Boone. He is a twenty three

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Speaker 7: year old rich kid growing up in privilege in Malibu

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Speaker 7: and an eight pointy seven million dollar seaside mansion. He

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Speaker 7: was driving his eighteenth birthday, President of BMW and he

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Speaker 7: is a former athlete. Was a picture in high school

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Speaker 7: and pretty privileged young man, Anthony, Why.

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Speaker 1: Do you say that, I'm looking at a picture of

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Speaker 1: him and apparently a shirtless selfie. Can we circle back

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Speaker 1: to that place? And he's got rings on every finger,

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Speaker 1: he's dripping in silver jewelry. What did you say about

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Speaker 1: a seven million dollar what.

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Speaker 7: An eight point seven million dollar seaside mansion with a

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Speaker 7: view of the Pacific Ocean a beautiful view of the

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Speaker 7: Pacific Ocean actually, and by the way, also a seven

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Speaker 7: hundred thousand dollars vacation place out near Palm Springs.

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Speaker 8: In this particular incident, we lost four young people with

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Speaker 8: a complete life ahead of them, for really no reason

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Speaker 8: of others. So Neam Rolston, Peyton Store, Thissline Williams, and

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Speaker 8: I shall where were seniors Pepperdine and there were minding

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Speaker 9: Between two and a half to four and a half

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Speaker 10: The defendants vehicle was at a sheet of one hundred and.

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Speaker 1: Four miles an hour KTLA five, loved by all who

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Speaker 2: The four young women were more than best friends. They

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Speaker 1: Exactly what happened the night that these girls were mowed

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Speaker 1: Four gorgeous, young, innocent, beautiful girls. They're gone. Nime, Peyton

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Speaker 8: On October seventeenth, at around a thirty pm, mister Bond

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Speaker 1: To top it all off, it's a fixed object. Out

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Speaker 4: And listen to this party host Sigma Kai brothers tackle

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Speaker 6: I just saw some people taking him out of the

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Speaker 1: From our friends at KTLA five joining me. Veteran trial lawyer,

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Speaker 1: Defense attorney Brian at Claypool, Managing Partner, Claypool Law Firm,

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Speaker 1: author of Break the Code of Silence, Raising My Voice

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Speaker 1: to protect our kids, Brian Claypool. He tried to get away.

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Speaker 1: That's called flight under the law, So don't tell me

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Speaker 1: that's damning under the law. The guys had to tackle

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Speaker 11: Look, this is a heartbreaking tragedy. I mean, we all

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Speaker 1: Are mentioning that, Why are you making that up. It's

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Speaker 1: So he did all he could do, and he took

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Speaker 1: He tried to run. Isn't it true, Claypool, that that

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Speaker 1: is evidence of guilt flight, It's evidence of guilt when

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Speaker 11: Right, No, you know you're right. And that's why Alan

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Speaker 11: Jackson has a tough case ahead too. It's not just

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Speaker 1: Case, Ryan Claypool, this is not about Karen Reid, Okay,

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Speaker 1: I'm talking about these four young girls and this guy

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Speaker 11: Yeah, Nancy, Look, flight is evidence of guilt. It doesn't

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Speaker 11: there a potential malfunction in his car? They're going to

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Speaker 11: expect examine the car? How did he go from ninety four?

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I just carved up my hot tea. A

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Speaker 1: malfunction in the car, like lead foot, like his foot

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Speaker 1: glad you said that because I happen to have an

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Speaker 1: going to follow up with what you're saying, but I

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 11: Well, the other argument that his previous lawyer made was

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Speaker 11: So that's going to be investigated by Alan Jackson. And

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Speaker 1: Let me make sure I understand what you're talking about.

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Speaker 1: You're talking about the mystery vehicle, the mystery vehicle that

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Speaker 11: Yeah, that's the car, right, and that's what they'll look into.

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Speaker 1: They're going to have to look really hard, really hard.

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Speaker 1: Hold on Dave Mac joining me. I want to follow

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Speaker 7: There's a man named Victor Calandra. He's a resident of

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Speaker 1: You know, there's going to be footage of that, Dave Mac,

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Speaker 1: What stretch of the road was the alleged road rage

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Speaker 7: Well, we're dealing with stretch on the PCH that is

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Speaker 1: You just made me so happy, Mac, which typically does

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Speaker 1: Senior forensic engineer Accident Reconstruction with Veritech Consulting Engineering. Tremblay,

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Speaker 1: that was the music to my ears because I heard

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Speaker 11: Turn is ahead.

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Speaker 10: But the speed limit in that area is forty five

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Speaker 1: The space tremblay. I did a little research last night,

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Speaker 10: Yeah, that's an incredible excess of speed.

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Speaker 11: I'd like to also.

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Speaker 11: Those cars have significant damage.

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Speaker 10: There's actually photographs of those vehicles that he contacted, and

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Speaker 11: This is just such a severe impact the poor.

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Speaker 4: Females were pronounced at I have seen Bi Alpha Fi.

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Speaker 4: Sisters arrived at Sigma Kaye's party and are waiting outside

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Speaker 1: From Malibu Times.

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Speaker 2: In a chilling turn of events, twenty two year old

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Speaker 2: Fraser Boem tore through the infamous stretch of Pacific Coast

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Speaker 2: Highway known as dead Man's Curve, doing over one hundred

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Speaker 2: He was behind the wheel of his luxurious BMW, allegedly

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Speaker 1: A BMW brand new to him, just gifted to him

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Speaker 1: renowned forensic psychologist. Doctor Kendall Crown's joining US Chief Medical

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Speaker 1: Examiner Terrence County. That's Fort Worth STARV brand new hit

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Speaker 1: podcast Mayhem and the Morgue. He has estamed like Sure

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Speaker 1: at the Burnette School of Medicine at TCU and has

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Speaker 1: performed literally thousands, thousands of autopsies accidents, natural causes, suicides,

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Speaker 1: and homicides, including vehic iculer homicides. Doctor Kendall Crowns, thank

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Speaker 1: you for being with us. The girls standing there minding

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Speaker 1: their own business, waiting to go into I believe Bridget

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Speaker 1: and Coco it was a Sigma Kai party. Was that

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Speaker 1: where they were headed?

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Speaker 6: Yes, it was a mixer. It was like an event

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Speaker 6: for our sporty. It wasn't a party.

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Speaker 1: Okay, what's the difference.

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Speaker 6: There was no drinking involved.

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Speaker 1: Okay. I neither had to be a difference, because when

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Speaker 1: you put the Sigma COIs and the Alpha Fees together

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Speaker 1: in one place, it sounds like a party to me.

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Speaker 1: So my Coco, crandall were they waiting outside to go in.

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Speaker 3: So they weren't from our understanding, they weren't necessarily waiting.

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Speaker 5: They actually had parked their car. If you're familiar with PCH,

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Speaker 5: you only can park on the street.

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Speaker 3: To park their car, got out of their car and

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Speaker 3: were walking to the house to go to the mixer,

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Speaker 3: and in the process of walking, that's when they.

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Speaker 1: Were got it. Got it, So they're walking into a mixer. Wow, okay,

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Speaker 1: Doctor Kendall Crowns. I just wanted to make sure I

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Speaker 1: understood what they were doing. You know another reason I

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Speaker 1: wanted to know, doctor Crowns, because so often, somehow the

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Speaker 1: victims turn out to be the bad guys in the

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Speaker 1: media and with the defense no offense. Brian Claypool, I

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Speaker 1: know you do everything you can to help your client,

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Speaker 1: but Doctor Kendall Crowns, they were a not drinking. They

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Speaker 1: would be on the side of the street walking into

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Speaker 1: the Sigma Chai house for a non alcoholic mixer. I

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Speaker 1: just want to be very clear, all dressed up and

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Speaker 1: their party outfits, having all gotten ready together back at

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Speaker 1: their place they all shared with our guests. I mean,

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Speaker 1: doctor Kendall crown you know what time it is, right,

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Speaker 1: I'm looking at colleges right now for the twins and

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Speaker 1: hearing something like this just pushes me over the edge.

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Speaker 1: Doctor Keller Crowds, what happened to these girls when they

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Speaker 1: were hit by a couple of tons of metal at

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Speaker 1: one hundred and four miles per hour.

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Speaker 9: So what happens when a car is going at a

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Speaker 9: very high rated speed and it hits a pedestrian. Initially,

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Speaker 9: the bumper comes into contact at about your knee level

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Speaker 9: and folds your knee in, causing your thigh to strike

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Speaker 9: the upper portion of the front of the car, and

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Speaker 9: that pitches the body onto the hood. The head hits

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Speaker 9: the hood or the windshield, and at that high rate

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Speaker 9: of speed, the body will flip up over the car

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Speaker 9: and then fly through the air and land on the ground. Now,

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Speaker 9: one of the other things when you're having someone drive

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Speaker 9: at that high rate of speed is you'll get traumatic

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Speaker 9: amputations where the legs will be severed from the point

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Speaker 9: of impact and then just kind of spread out all

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Speaker 9: of the roadway. We also might see, depending on their height,

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Speaker 9: amputations that the hit area bodies cut in half, and

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Speaker 9: even potentially from the speed with the head hitting the

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Speaker 9: windshield decapitations. It will be massive internal injuries, fractures of

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Speaker 9: all the extremities, ribs, pelvis, and then the organs themselves

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Speaker 9: will be ruptured or lacerated as well. It's actually high

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Speaker 9: high speed velocity pedestrians accidents are very gruesome events, Doctor.

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Speaker 1: Kittle Crowns, how many cases like this have you worked?

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Speaker 6: So?

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Speaker 9: Pedestrianstruck by vehicles are fairly common, We see them at

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Speaker 9: least probably once a week, But high speed pedestrians struck

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Speaker 9: by vehicles are are very rare because mostly most of

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Speaker 9: the time, pedestrians aren't on the highway and most people

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Speaker 9: aren't driving their cars at one hundred and four miles

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Speaker 9: per hour when they hit a pedestrian.

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Speaker 1: That last comment, I'm going to circle back to you,

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Speaker 1: doctor Kendall Crowns for more of an in depth analysis

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Speaker 1: of what the victims may have lived through. But Brian

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Speaker 1: Claypool joining US veteran trial lawyer managing partner Claypool Law

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Speaker 1: Firm joining US out of California, did you hear what

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Speaker 1: he said? Very rarely are victims walking on a highway

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Speaker 1: where high speed crashes normally happened. This was not a

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Speaker 1: highway and they were walking along the edge of a

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Speaker 1: pedestrian street where the mph was thirty five.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, hey, Nancy, I get that. But I think what

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Speaker 11: Alan Jackson is going to do in this case is

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Speaker 11: he's going to go after the County of Los Angeles

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Speaker 11: and or the city of Maliburn. I think it's likely

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Speaker 11: the county for failing to adequately maintain that road. What

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Speaker 11: do I mean by that? Your entire show, you've mentioned

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Speaker 11: probably four or five times dead Man's Curve. It was

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Speaker 11: also called Hell's Corner. The County's on notice, this is

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Speaker 11: a dangerous curve. Why wasn't there better lighting? That's what

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Speaker 11: he's going to argue, And he's going to argue also

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Speaker 11: a was there a guardrail here? I don't think there was,

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Speaker 11: And if there wasn't, there should have been, and that

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Speaker 11: might have minimized the impact, and this tragedy might have been.

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Speaker 1: A verb Well, at least you're going down swinging. You're

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Speaker 1: going to try and blame bad lighting and no guardrail

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Speaker 1: and push it all off on the county. Okay, that

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Speaker 1: sounds more like a civil lawsuit claim where you're trying

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Speaker 1: to distribute the monetary damages. I'm talking about a criminal

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Speaker 1: trial for vehicular homicide. I'm sure, Claypool that you are

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Speaker 1: familiar with the abandoned and malignant heart theory under the law,

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Speaker 1: which rises too. I would like this to be prosecuted

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Speaker 1: as murder not vehicular homicide because of the abandoned and

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Speaker 1: malignant heart theory. Malice murder murder one can be proven

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Speaker 1: in many different ways. One is, of course, when you

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Speaker 1: say I'm going to kill you, Claypool, I've had it

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Speaker 1: and I take a gun, hold it up and shoot

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Speaker 1: you dead. Okay, That is clear, extrinsic and implicit evidence

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Speaker 1: of intent to murder. There is another theory called abandon

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Speaker 1: and malignant heart. What does that mean? Here's an example.

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Speaker 1: You drive one hundred and four miles an hour through

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Speaker 1: let's just say, a street festival that's been blocked off

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Speaker 1: where people are selling food and homemade items and crafts,

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Speaker 1: and there are two hundred people there on a Sunday afternoon,

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Speaker 1: drinking lemonade and eating kebabs. And suddenly here you come, Claypool,

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Speaker 1: one hundred and four mph, plowing through the street festival

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Speaker 1: and you kill people. That shows an abandoned heart. In

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Speaker 1: other words, you have a heart which is abandon of

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Speaker 1: empathy for other people, and you do something so insanely

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Speaker 1: reckless it equals murder. That would be my argument to

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Speaker 1: this jury. And you're trying to blame bad lighting. I

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Speaker 1: respect that.

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Speaker 11: Well, look, look I respectfully disagree on that that my

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Speaker 11: argument applies to a civil case. You know as well

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Speaker 11: as I do. You've got to prove causation, even in

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Speaker 11: the murder case here, and what Jackson's going to argue

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Speaker 11: is there going to be concurrent, concurrent causation. And here's

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Speaker 11: another point. In order to prove murder in the situation

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Speaker 11: in California, not to proved causation, what's called implied malice,

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Speaker 11: not that he intended to drive over these young women.

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Speaker 11: You've got to prove that he he acted in such

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Speaker 11: conscious disregard for the lives of other others that he

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Speaker 11: knew that it was late that these young women would die.

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Speaker 11: And what Jackson is going to argue is that wasn't

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Speaker 11: in his frame of mind that he didn't intend on

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Speaker 11: doing that, didn't intend on trying to embody.

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Speaker 1: Again, you just made me so happy because you said

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Speaker 1: he didn't intend it. But isn't the black and white

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Speaker 1: letter of the law, which will be read to the

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Speaker 1: jury and jury instructions just after closing arguments that the

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Speaker 1: law presumes the definant intends the natural consequences of his act.

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Speaker 1: Isn't that true?

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Speaker 11: Yeah, I'm not sure if that's a jury instruction in California,

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Speaker 11: you could try to make that argument as prosecutor.

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Speaker 1: Let me refresh your regulation. It is that you natural

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Speaker 1: consequence of your act.

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Speaker 11: Look, if this case goes to trial, Boem is going

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Speaker 11: to have to testify to try to refute. Well, let's

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Speaker 11: assume you're correct, Nancy. Then he's going to have to

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Speaker 11: testify to tell a jury what was going on in

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Speaker 11: his mind at the time of this incident. And that's

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Speaker 11: really what your accident is going to have to do.

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Speaker 1: Here was in his mind? Why do I care what

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Speaker 1: he's thinking?

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Speaker 11: You should care. The first question Jackson is going to

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Speaker 11: ask him, did you intend on driving off the side

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Speaker 11: of the road to kill these young ladies? That is

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Speaker 11: relevant in this trial to refute your abandon heart theory.

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Speaker 1: It is, Nancy, abandoned heart means you at with such

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Speaker 1: gross negligence, with a malignant heart, that you kill others.

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Speaker 1: What you're thinking does not go as so life called negligence.

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Speaker 1: You're not thinking, Hey, I want to kill four girls

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Speaker 1: all dressed up in their party dresses to go to

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Speaker 1: the Sigma Kai mixer. You don't have to think that

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Speaker 1: if I go into the Mall of America with an

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Speaker 1: oozy and start firing. I don't have to know who

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Speaker 1: my victims are. I don't have to mean to kill them.

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Speaker 1: That is an abandon and malignant heart, and that is murder.

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Speaker 1: But I just looked it up just to make sure

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Speaker 1: I was right, and guess what I am. The law

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Speaker 1: presumes you intend the natural consequences of your act, and

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Speaker 1: it's called in your jurisdiction non target offense liability. You don't,

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Speaker 1: just like I said, if I take a piece of

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Speaker 1: thin china so fine you can see through it and

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Speaker 1: I throw it to the ground, Wow, what did I

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Speaker 1: intend to do? Break it? When you drive one hundred

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Speaker 1: and four mph in a residential area where people are

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Speaker 1: by the road, the natural consequence of your act is

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Speaker 1: a crash. Let me ask Cocoa Crandall and Bridget Thompson

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Speaker 1: first to you, Bridget, have you ever been in that

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Speaker 1: area before? Have you ever seen the Sigma Kai house?

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Speaker 6: Yes? Absolutely?

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Speaker 1: And is it a residential area? What's around it? Are

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Speaker 1: there homes?

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Speaker 6: Yes, it's one hundred percent of residential area. It's lined

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Speaker 6: on both sides with homes.

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Speaker 1: Are there other fraternity homes or already homes on that street?

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Speaker 6: There is one. But it's not like a Greek row

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Speaker 6: or anything. But there's definitely residential.

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Speaker 1: Are they're private residences?

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Speaker 3: Yes?

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Speaker 1: So good luck with that. Brian Claypool that there needed

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Speaker 1: to be a guard rail to prevent this horrific, deadly crash.

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Speaker 1: You're going to blame a guard rail or bad lighting? Oh,

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Speaker 1: I can't wait.

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Speaker 11: Well, one other thing I would do if I'm Jackson

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Speaker 11: is again I disagree as to the front as a

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Speaker 11: state of mind of bomb. I think you have to

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Speaker 11: ask him why did he go from ninety three miles

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Speaker 11: an hour to one hundred and four miles an hour?

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Speaker 11: That gets to your defense. I mean, if he has

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Speaker 11: some rational explanation as to why the car accelerated ten

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Speaker 11: miles an hour in a short amount of time, he

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Speaker 11: might be able to get over this.

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Speaker 1: Advantage technical legal term. He's an a hole? Did they

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Speaker 1: teach you that at Harvard Law School? An a whole?

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Speaker 8: The defend the new his actions were dangerous to human

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Speaker 8: life and deliberately acted with consciousness regard for human life,

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Speaker 8: committing four counts of imply malice murder in this case.

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Speaker 8: I can't say this enough. We have to realize that

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Speaker 8: when we're driving a card. We have the potential of

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Speaker 8: killing others when we're driving at one hundred plus miles

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Speaker 8: an hour on a forty five miles per hour zone.

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Speaker 8: The only reasonable conclusion that kid arrive out of that

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Speaker 8: behavior is harming others.

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Speaker 12: I told her that the greatest stads to her young,

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Speaker 12: vibrant life and the future goals was a Molti vehicle accident,

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Speaker 12: which is still the leading cause of death in an

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Speaker 12: age group at that time. I asked that seems to

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Speaker 12: have lost the argument.

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Speaker 1: You were just seeing Deslin's dad, Desmond Williams, speaking, and

657
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Speaker 1: that's our friends at Pepperdine University YouTube trying to make

658
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Speaker 1: sense of a nonsensical tragedy. He's one of eight parents

659
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Speaker 1: devastated tonight while we're on air. They're at home, sitting

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Speaker 1: in their dims and around their supper tables looking at

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Speaker 1: an empty spot. Maybe they're sitting in the girl's bedroom.

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Speaker 1: Maybe they're driving by their apartment thinking about what was

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Speaker 1: I want to go to two very special guests, but

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Speaker 1: first to Karen start Joining us forensic psychologist, renowned TV

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Speaker 1: radio Trump expert. You can find her at Karenstark dot com.

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Speaker 1: She has dealt with so many survivors trying to make

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Speaker 1: sense of a new normal. Sharen, please, what is your

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Speaker 1: advice to these two girls joining us today.

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Speaker 13: I think that they need to do exactly what they're doing, Nancy.

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Speaker 13: They have to keep talking about this. I'm so glad

671
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Speaker 13: they're on the show. I'm very sorry that this happened.

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Speaker 13: But the more they get involved, the more they talk

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Speaker 13: about what this person did, the dispeting, all of the neglect,

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Speaker 13: the better they're going to feel. It will never ever

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Speaker 13: go away, unfortunately.

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Speaker 14: Don't we know that.

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Speaker 13: I think everyone knows that that hole in the heart

678
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Speaker 13: never closes, but over time it will get better. Just

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Speaker 13: keep spreading the message that this is terot and should

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Speaker 13: never have happened.

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Speaker 14: And remember your friends, girls.

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Speaker 1: When I first moved to New York to start off

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Speaker 1: at Court TV, Karen and I would watch trials together

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Speaker 1: in a dark studio and we would talk about what

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Speaker 1: the victims had gone through. Do you remember that, Karen,

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Speaker 1: all those years, eleven years, had those at dark studios.

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Speaker 1: And She's right, it won't go away. It changes. You

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Speaker 1: don't cry every single day, but probably right now that's

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Speaker 1: still your situation. And Karen, please jump in whenever you

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Speaker 1: have a suggestion. Bridget and Coco, tell me about what

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Speaker 1: life was like living with these beautiful girls.

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Speaker 6: First to you, Bridget, Yeah, life was nothing short of perfect.

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Speaker 6: When I met them, my life literally changed. They were

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Speaker 6: the most amazing people I have ever met, and I

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Speaker 6: think I will ever meet. They made every day a

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Speaker 6: better one. They knew how to pick me up when

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Speaker 6: I was down. They were always a shoulder to cry on.

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Speaker 6: It was. It was just the best to live with them,

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Speaker 6: To wake up to their good mornings every morning, to

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Speaker 6: go to bed hearing their good nights. I just missed

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Speaker 6: it a lot. You know.

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Speaker 1: It struck me, Bridget that when either you or Coke

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Speaker 1: I went back to the apartment, I believe it was you.

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Speaker 1: Their pj's were still lying out on the bed where

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Speaker 1: they replaced them to hop into when they got home.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, they were.

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Speaker 1: Coco, tell me about a typical day that you would

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Speaker 1: have waking up with these beautiful girls.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it was.

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Speaker 5: I mean it literally felt like a dream every morning

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Speaker 5: getting to wake up with them. They are, like Bridget said,

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Speaker 5: they are the bestest of friends, and I don't think

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Speaker 5: we'll ever find friends like that again. They're truly I

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Speaker 5: don't even think most people are lucky enough to have

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Speaker 5: friends like we did in their whole lifetime. But we

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Speaker 5: would wake up and we always had a playlist that

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Speaker 5: we would play mornings, and we would wake up, open

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Speaker 5: the curtains, let the sunshine in, just sit in our pjs,

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Speaker 5: make breakfast, play music. We lived, obviously in a great area,

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Speaker 5: so we'd walk to the beach a lot of time,

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Speaker 5: either on walks along zoom A Beach or at Point Doom.

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Speaker 3: Spent a lot of time in the water just swimming around.

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Speaker 5: And then I feel like we always would go get

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Speaker 5: dinner at our favorite Italian place in Malibu, and I

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Speaker 5: mean it's such a simple day. But any day with them,

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Speaker 5: whether we were doing nothing or anything and everything was

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Speaker 5: just such a dream. And I know, well I can

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Speaker 5: speak for bridget and I like we would give anything

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Speaker 5: just to have one.

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Speaker 3: More day with them.

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Speaker 1: Do you ever dream about them?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 5: Absolutely, I mean so after the accident, because I lived

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Speaker 5: with Doson and Bridgette lived with the rest. Bridget and

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Speaker 5: I moved in together afterwards into a different apartment and

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Speaker 5: would be like we both had dreams and it felt

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Speaker 5: so real that both of us were like, we don't

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Speaker 5: want to ever wake up because we just want to

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Speaker 5: keep dreaming.

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Speaker 3: And some of them felt so real.

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Speaker 5: Some of them were dreams about them coming back and

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Speaker 5: telling us like, hey, we're okay, we're in we're we're

743
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Speaker 5: in a spot, and you know, it happened so fast,

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Speaker 5: and like I want you guys to know we're okay.

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Speaker 5: It's a Bridget and I would just wake up and

746
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Speaker 5: sometimes just like cry together from our.

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Speaker 3: Dreams because they felt so real.

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Speaker 5: But then we'd wake up and it's just hard to

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Speaker 5: keep going in life without them, you know.

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Speaker 3: I feel like we were just in.

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Speaker 5: A really big denial stage for a really really long time.

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Speaker 1: But Doctor Kendall Crowns, it wasn't that way. It wasn't

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Speaker 1: just all so fast they laid there and died. You

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Speaker 1: talked about severed limbs, You talked about horrific impact at

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Speaker 1: one hundred and four mph. They didn't just die just

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Speaker 1: like that.

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Speaker 9: Well, that is very true, Nancy. It really all depends

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Speaker 9: on where they got hit and what was initially damaged. Now,

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Speaker 9: of course, the initial impact that could several limbs to

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Speaker 9: cause a person to go flying over the car but

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Speaker 9: not hit anything else, so their head would be intact

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Speaker 9: and they would be laying there with the traumaticly amputated

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Speaker 9: limb bleeding out on the roadway. It really all just

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Speaker 9: depends on what organ system got hit and at what

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Speaker 9: point was their head engaged or their neck engaged, or

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Speaker 9: how quickly they may have died, And it can be

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Speaker 9: one of those situations in which just the lower extremities

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Speaker 9: were severed or crushed or whatever, or their pelvist was

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Speaker 9: crushed and they just laid there slowly bleeding out and

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Speaker 9: nobody could help them because of the amount of damage

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Speaker 9: that was done.

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Speaker 1: Crime Stores with Nancy Grace Joseph Trimlay, Senior forensic engineer,

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Speaker 1: actor reconstructionist at Veritech Consulting. How do you go into

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Speaker 1: this scene, knowing what you know, having heard Bridget and

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00:48:53,719 --> 00:48:58,960
Speaker 1: Cocoa and Karen and doctor Crown's how do you go

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Speaker 1: in and perform a hard, cold evaluation that will hold

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Speaker 1: up in court to explain to injury what happened? What

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Speaker 1: do you do or I have to.

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Speaker 10: Look at the fax, I have to look at the evidence,

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Speaker 10: and I think it's fair to say in this situation,

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Speaker 10: at that excessive speed, this was no longer a car

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Speaker 10: accident at that rate of speed, and the collision that

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Speaker 10: occurred would cause severe damage. I mean, he's probably lucky

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Speaker 10: himself that he didn't have any injuries from this is

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Speaker 10: so severe. And you know, one of the nice things

786
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Speaker 10: we have in this situation is so much evidence and

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Speaker 10: so much data, in particular the data from the vehicle itself,

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Speaker 10: which will corroborate his speed, it'll corroborate his pre impact navigation,

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Speaker 10: and whether or not he attempted any sort of maneuver.

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Speaker 11: To avoid this collision.

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Speaker 10: So there's a lot of evidence that's going to be

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Speaker 10: presented at trial, and I think it's going to be

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Speaker 10: very elucidating for this particular crash.

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Speaker 1: Tim Blay, what do you mean you're going to get

795
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Speaker 1: a lot of evidence from the car itself. I got

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Speaker 1: a lot of evidence in the Alex Mordag case from

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Speaker 1: his nav his navigation system, which was awesome. You can't

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Speaker 1: really argue with the nav system in your own car.

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Speaker 1: What evidence are you talking about.

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Speaker 10: Well, that's a great question, and there is a lot

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Speaker 10: of evidence from a navigation unit individually. But in addition

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Speaker 10: to that, modern cars are constantly recording data. Every car

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Speaker 10: out there, it's a federal mandate that they record data,

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Speaker 10: and that particular data is tied to the airbag system.

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Speaker 10: In the event of an airbag deployment, the car decides

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Speaker 10: whether or not to deploy the airbags based on things

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Speaker 10: like vehicle speed, steering inputs, breaking inputs, things like that,

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Speaker 10: and that data is stored on the car that can

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Speaker 10: be retrieved. In this particular crash, that data was retrieved

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Speaker 10: by the responding officers, and that is most likely the

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Speaker 10: way that they determined the impact speed, and then also

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Speaker 10: the way that they determined the pre impact acceleration that

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Speaker 10: was done by mister Baum.

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Speaker 11: And his.

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Speaker 10: Apparently completely absent attempt to avoid this crash.

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Speaker 1: Timoy, I know that the arriving officer saw skid marks

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Speaker 1: and smoke. What does that mean?

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Speaker 10: Okay, that may actually suggest a small maneuver or breaking

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Speaker 10: an attempt to potentially mitigate the crash. I'd have to

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Speaker 10: look into that even more.

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Speaker 11: If it was.

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Speaker 10: A skid mark, that would suggest potentially maybe a steering

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Speaker 10: input or a breaking input to decelerate before impact. However,

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Speaker 10: that also kind of depends on how the crash unfolded itself.

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Speaker 11: The data will provide.

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Speaker 10: A very solid basis for all of that. And the

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Speaker 10: nice thing about that data is that It's been admitted

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Speaker 10: in many different court cases. It's very solid. It's hard

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Speaker 10: to argue that data. I'm sure mister Jackson will probably

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Speaker 10: make a very honest attempt to kind of reduce the

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Speaker 10: credibility of that data. But it's just very solid. It's

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Speaker 10: been used a lot, and it's a very valuable piece

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Speaker 10: of evidence.

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Speaker 1: Here to Bridget Thompson joining US roommate investie with the

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Speaker 1: crash victims, do you ever dream about them?

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Speaker 6: Yes? I have had many dreams with them, and it

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Speaker 6: is an amazing feeling to feel like you get to

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Speaker 6: be with them one more time. But it's hard to

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Speaker 6: wake up and now it's just not the truth.

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Speaker 1: In the dreams. What's happening? What are they saying?

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Speaker 6: Sometimes they'll reassure us that they're okay. Sometimes they'll be like,

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Speaker 6: it's okay, I'm okay now, And I'll try to convince

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Speaker 6: them to stay and they'll be like, I have to

844
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Speaker 6: go back, I have to go back. It's a really

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Speaker 6: crazy feeling.

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Speaker 1: Karen Stark, what do these mean? What do these mean?

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Speaker 1: What's happening in the girl's psychis.

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Speaker 13: It's a case of them trying to preserve the friendship

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Speaker 13: with the girls. And this is actually wonderful because a

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Speaker 13: lot of people when they lose.

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Speaker 14: Someone they want to dream about, then you have a chance.

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Speaker 13: To revisit, even to say goodbye, which I'm going to

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Speaker 13: suggest to both of you that you tell yourself you

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Speaker 13: want to do that when you have the dream again

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Speaker 13: to say goodbye to them, and the whole idea of

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Speaker 13: being with them again. It's all beautiful and very very fortunate.

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Speaker 13: I'm glad they're having those dreams. I know that when

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Speaker 13: you wake up and maybe upsetting, but take it like

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Speaker 13: a message.

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Speaker 14: You know that your friends have come and they're visiting

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Speaker 14: with you.

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Speaker 15: Pepperdine University seniors Neve Rolston, Peyton Stewart, Osha Weir, and

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Speaker 15: Deslin Williams, four Alpha PI sisters, get ready for a

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Speaker 15: Sigma Chai party at their apartment. The girls are incredibly close.

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Speaker 15: After moving in together sophomore year, the women connected freshman

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Speaker 15: year and became inseparable. The Pepperdine victims are a star athlete,

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Speaker 15: future vet TikTok intern, and an aspiring writer. Neive, a

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Speaker 15: twenty year old business student, was an excellent gymnast, cheerleader,

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Speaker 15: and pole vaulter who competed in the CICH Championship. Deslin

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Speaker 15: was on a pre veterinary track with deep empathy for animals.

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Speaker 15: Peyton spent her sophomore year at Pepperdine's London campus, landing

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Speaker 15: her dream internship with TikTok before returning to camp for

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Speaker 15: senior year. Asha was studying writing and passionate about the

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Speaker 15: dynamic landscapes of the fashion and music industries.

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Speaker 1: If you have any information, if you were a witness,

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Speaker 1: if you know anything that happened before, during, or after

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Speaker 1: the fatal crash, please dial toll free eight hundred two

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Speaker 1: seven seven. We wait as justice unfolds. Nancy Grace signing

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Speaker 1: off goodbye friend than