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Speaker 1: Frankie Montas has signed with the New York Mets two years,

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Speaker 1: thirty four million dollars with an opt out a player

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Speaker 1: option at the end of the twenty twenty five season

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Speaker 1: for twenty twenty six. We are here to give you

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Speaker 1: our instant reaction discuss what we think. This is a

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Speaker 1: name we have been mentioning for years. I know he's

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Speaker 1: a big guy for you, mister James Ciano, how are

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Speaker 1: you feeling hearing this news?

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Speaker 2: I feel really good. I feel like a little bit me,

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Speaker 2: a little bit us kind of willed as to happen.

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Speaker 2: He just seemed like a very obvious guy who'd be

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Speaker 2: in the Mets price range, coming in at a lower

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Speaker 2: contract than the qualifying offer pitchers got. And I think

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Speaker 2: that some people are like, Wow, I can't believe Frankie

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Speaker 2: Mantas is a guy who's eira has been in the

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Speaker 2: high fours, low five so the last couple years, getting

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Speaker 2: seventeen million a year. Well, when Nick Martinez Luis Averrino

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Speaker 2: getting twenty one million year in the qualifying offers and

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Speaker 2: Sevrino turning it down to go back into the market,

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Speaker 2: this is what a guy like Mantas gets who has

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Speaker 2: big time stuff, has a big time philosophy, but hasn't

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Speaker 2: gotten the results of for years. But he made a

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Speaker 2: lot of good changes last year when he went to

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Speaker 3: This is the upside arm.

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Speaker 2: This is the next version of Manaia Severgna that we're

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Speaker 2: taking a shot on this season and we're jumping the

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Speaker 2: market to do which I like.

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Speaker 1: This is literally the Severino Repoliceman.

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Speaker 3: Is it's in between those two.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it is in between those two, but it's just

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Speaker 1: I love the move again. We've on this podcast been

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Speaker 1: very pro Frankie Montas as a guy who we know

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Speaker 1: is a bit more of a project than some of

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Speaker 1: these other pitchers. Where with Severino and Manaiya and that

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Speaker 1: it was just about getting innings under them and tweaking

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Speaker 1: some things. Montas has had shaky, shaky years the last

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Speaker 1: few seasons. It hasn't been smooth. He was on the

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Speaker 1: Yankees for a bit, was terrible there. It was bad

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Speaker 1: with the Reds. Even his Brewers sent was interesting. Like

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Speaker 1: you said, the k rate was up. But it's hard

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Speaker 1: to find guys with the stuff like Frankie Montas has.

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Speaker 1: It's hard to find guys on the free agent market

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Speaker 1: who could be as good with the ceiling like a

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Speaker 1: guy like Frankie Montas has. I'm shocked how much the

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Speaker 1: Twitter discourse right now is about this being a bad move,

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Speaker 1: and I truly the only thing that it can be

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Speaker 1: is has to be. People are only looking at the

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Speaker 1: era right because because if you dive any deeper on

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Speaker 1: Frankie Montas, this is what starting pitchers go for. And

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Speaker 1: a lot of the guys who are gonna be going

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Speaker 2: No And another thing is that Frankie Mantas has been

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Speaker 2: a bit more of a fly ball pitcher for most

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Speaker 2: last three teams of Frankie manta has played for a while,

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Speaker 2: his stats and his results weren't tremendously great. He pitched

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Speaker 2: for the Yankees, the Reds, and the Milwaukee Brewers. The Yankees,

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Speaker 2: the Reds, and the Brewers their home ballparks are all

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Speaker 2: in the top six in Baseball Savon's park factors for

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Speaker 2: easiest ballparks to allow a home run. When you're a

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Speaker 2: pitcher of Frankie Manzas, who throws with heavy velocity, uses

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Speaker 2: You're gonna get fly balls a lot of times, you're

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Speaker 2: gonna go out of the ballpark. When he was a

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Speaker 2: I know the stuff. The fastball is two mile an

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Speaker 2: seventeen million dollars is the going rate for solid middle

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Speaker 3: Like, the money is.

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Speaker 2: Not an issue for me. The one to two years

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Speaker 1: Yeah, when you look at Frankie Montas just as a

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Speaker 1: on Frankie Montas. And to me, giving him that option,

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Speaker 1: giving him a possible second year makes me believe that

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Speaker 1: more at that seventeen million dollars a year right rather

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Speaker 3: For one Definitely.

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Speaker 2: I think a lot of people are looking at other

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Speaker 2: contracts that have been signed recently, one being the Michael

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Speaker 2: like I want to stick around, So that's something about

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Speaker 2: And when he was with the Reds, he threw that

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Speaker 2: He threw thirty four percent of the time on the

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Speaker 2: That's a really relevant thing. Another thing is he stopped

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Speaker 2: his splither, which I think forever has been Frankie Monta's

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Speaker 2: He was throwing splitters before they were cool. So the

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Speaker 2: If we can coax one more mile of velosity back

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Speaker 2: it gets that rat because the Brewers are really good

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Speaker 3: Who's time to Brewers.

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Speaker 2: So if he's the thirty percent strike cut guy in

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Speaker 3: Really like this move.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and again the contract too. I know people keep

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Speaker 1: right now, Miles Michaelis is making more money than Frankie Montos.

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Speaker 1: Next year, He's getting eighteen point five million dollars, Marcus

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Speaker 1: This is just what pitching goes for nowadays. If you

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Speaker 1: get paid fifteen million dollars at minimum. You just don't

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Speaker 1: lot of people are missing in this. To go seventeen

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Speaker 1: What are we doing, Holly overpay? Then every single picture

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Speaker 1: And I don't know what to tell you, this is

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Speaker 1: him a really good season. Sean and I have completely

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Speaker 1: with what the Mets front office has been doing decision wise.

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Speaker 1: I feel extremely comfortable with Jeremy Hefner at the Helm,

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Speaker 1: the Mets pitching Lab, getting him in there learning a

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Speaker 1: thirty percent k rate is means something is there, and

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Speaker 1: I gotta believe That's why the Mets jumped all over

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Speaker 1: this totally.

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Speaker 2: And I do think this is the same kind of

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Speaker 1: and I think the line you set was seventeen million.

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Speaker 3: I think Frankie Montz's bet than Jack Flair the next year.

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Speaker 1: Yep, Ji Lucas Gilia blout his arm sucks.

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Speaker 3: But I'm in on Frankie Montas. I'm ready.

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