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Speaker 1: Well, I invited you here. I thought I made myself

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Speaker 1: perfectly clear. When you're a guest in my home, you

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Speaker 1: you're our presences presents enough. I already had too much stuff.

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Speaker 2: So how do you dare to surbey me?

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Speaker 3: Welcome to? I said, no gifts. I'm Bridger Wineger. What's

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Speaker 3: going on. I've got my phone on do not disturb.

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Speaker 3: I've got I have the computer on do not just

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Speaker 3: I don't have well, I've got them both on do

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Speaker 3: you're going to have to find me. I'm in a

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Speaker 3: very nice place. I've had one and a half cups

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Speaker 3: of coffee, I've got water, I have every liquid I

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Speaker 3: could possibly need, and I've got a guest that I'm

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Speaker 3: thrilled to talk to. It's Jesse Tyler Ferguson. Jesse, welcome to.

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Speaker 3: I said, no gifts.

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Speaker 4: Thank you for having me.

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Speaker 3: It's so nice to see you. And you're currently in

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Speaker 3: a shared work space from what I know.

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Speaker 4: Yes, yes, I shared that with you that information.

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Speaker 3: Where is this space?

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Speaker 4: It's in New York City. It's a it's not a

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Speaker 4: we work, But it's something similar to.

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Speaker 3: That, right, it doesn't have a like a we work aesthetic.

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Speaker 3: You almost have kind of a Victorian curtain behind you.

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Speaker 3: It's kind of haunted looking. Yes, it does, which I

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Speaker 3: feel like would be a decent idea. I feel like

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Speaker 3: it's time to give them more of a haunted vibe, just.

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Speaker 4: Like a Victorian townhouse.

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Speaker 3: R Yes, that, I feel like that's the next step

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Speaker 4: I'm into it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, what's been going on. You're in New York?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm in New York. I'm doing a play on

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Speaker 4: to the end of that. It's been a great run.

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Speaker 4: We were meant to do this back in twenty twenty

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Speaker 4: and yes, it's been great to finally get it up

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Speaker 4: on its feet. And yeah, it's a very emotional thing

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Speaker 4: to be closing a play that I've been working on

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Speaker 3: So you were all ready to go in twenty twenty

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Speaker 3: and then obviously didn't do it. But over the course

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Speaker 3: of the two years, did you think about the play?

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Speaker 3: Was their work done on the play or did you

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Speaker 3: just kind of put it on hold and start over

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I had a hard time looking at the play

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Speaker 4: if Bobby was going to survive this, if I didn't

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Speaker 4: I did finally come back to it, it did work

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Speaker 4: out with schedules and everything that I was a completely

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Speaker 3: I mean, the play is kind of a it has

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Speaker 4: love seeing games my dad. I sort of I liked.

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Speaker 4: know you're stuck watching the long It was mostly the heat.

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Speaker 4: It was the heat for me, that's really what bothered me.

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Speaker 4: I grew up in Albuquerque, in Mexico, and it was hot, right.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I could listen to like an electric organ

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Speaker 3: So I feel like you're probably not a summer person.

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Speaker 4: need the shade. You know, I'm a redhead, so you know,

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Speaker 3: How was your skincare journey, ben As As a fellow

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Speaker 3: fair skinned, redheaded person, I feel like we probably both

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Speaker 4: No, I feel like we really, you know, now it's

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Speaker 4: It's like I love like, you know, it's in now

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Speaker 3: Of course. I mean, that would be my time machine

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Speaker 3: At least rice, right, I feel like I'm still I'm

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Speaker 3: I don't know. I feel like there were probably twenty

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Speaker 4: The first time I heard ginger was in the UK,

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Speaker 4: There was a ginger. I think ginger is sweet.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it is a nicer you know, it's like a

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Speaker 3: Know, like a fun little nickname. I mean ginger spice.

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Speaker 4: Exactly. You stand on our shoulders for.

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Speaker 3: Sure, on my sunburnt shoulder exactly. Okay, So the play

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm coming back to LA. I never imagined not

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Speaker 4: Feel like I'm just visiting LA. You might. I've been

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Speaker 4: But it just feels like home to meet here on

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Speaker 3: And right in a car seat in the back of

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Speaker 3: the car exactly, right. Yeah, New York's a hard place

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Speaker 3: to be just as a single person. I can't imagine

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Speaker 4: I mean it's got to be a mount of family

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Speaker 3: This podcast is called I said no gifts. You're an

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Speaker 4: Yeah, probably in the past, like ten years or so,

437
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Speaker 4: maybe less. I think after I sort of settled in

438
00:22:00,880 --> 00:22:03,320
Speaker 4: with my now husband, you know, when we were sort

439
00:22:03,320 --> 00:22:06,080
Speaker 4: of seriously dating, and it felt nice to be able

440
00:22:06,119 --> 00:22:10,439
Speaker 4: to take charge of like Thanksgiving dinner and Christmas dinner

441
00:22:10,480 --> 00:22:12,719
Speaker 4: and you know, have dinner parties for friends. And I

442
00:22:12,880 --> 00:22:16,200
Speaker 4: liked bringing people together and celebrating our lives with other people.

443
00:22:16,320 --> 00:22:19,520
Speaker 4: And so I think after I sort of found my person,

444
00:22:20,080 --> 00:22:22,439
Speaker 4: it became this other thing that I also wanted to

445
00:22:22,800 --> 00:22:24,520
Speaker 4: have be a part of our relationship, that I could

446
00:22:24,720 --> 00:22:26,920
Speaker 4: be the one that could really delicious meals for a

447
00:22:26,960 --> 00:22:27,480
Speaker 4: cross and.

448
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Speaker 3: People we loved, right And where, So where were you

449
00:22:30,680 --> 00:22:33,119
Speaker 3: learning your techniques? Was it just a lot of trial

450
00:22:33,160 --> 00:22:34,760
Speaker 3: and error or was it yes?

451
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Speaker 4: And that's where Julie comes in. Julie is someone I

452
00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:39,000
Speaker 4: met at the dinner party and I found out she

453
00:22:39,080 --> 00:22:42,679
Speaker 4: was a chef, and we talked about our love, our

454
00:22:42,760 --> 00:22:45,800
Speaker 4: mutual love of cookbooks, and I told her that I'd

455
00:22:45,800 --> 00:22:48,160
Speaker 4: always dreamed of writing one, and she said I have two,

456
00:22:48,240 --> 00:22:50,240
Speaker 4: and so I said, well, come over and like teach

457
00:22:50,280 --> 00:22:51,920
Speaker 4: me some of the things that you learned in culinary school,

458
00:22:51,920 --> 00:22:53,480
Speaker 4: because I don't have time to go to culinary school.

459
00:22:53,480 --> 00:22:56,880
Speaker 4: I'm a modern family. And so she would come over

460
00:22:56,920 --> 00:22:58,920
Speaker 4: and like teach me how she learned how to dice

461
00:22:58,960 --> 00:23:01,919
Speaker 4: an onion, or how like debone and chicken, and so,

462
00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:04,240
Speaker 4: you know, I've learned some of these techniques from her,

463
00:23:04,400 --> 00:23:09,200
Speaker 4: and I'm not good at them necessarily. Well, my knife

464
00:23:09,240 --> 00:23:10,359
Speaker 4: stills are not great.

465
00:23:10,280 --> 00:23:14,080
Speaker 3: But let's fluff up these skills. I'm sure you're incredible.

466
00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:15,320
Speaker 3: You've got a cookbook to sell.

467
00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:17,280
Speaker 4: I'm better than many people.

468
00:23:17,400 --> 00:23:18,800
Speaker 3: Must be better than most.

469
00:23:19,760 --> 00:23:24,600
Speaker 4: I don't know about that, but well, I mean there's

470
00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:25,960
Speaker 4: always room to grow, is there.

471
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Speaker 3: What were some things that were like particularly difficult to

472
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Speaker 3: learn with cooking?

473
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Speaker 4: I mean, when you're talking about recipe developing, it's like,

474
00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:37,480
Speaker 4: you know, just flavors that would go together, and you know,

475
00:23:37,520 --> 00:23:39,800
Speaker 4: I mean some of it's just common sense, but you

476
00:23:40,280 --> 00:23:42,680
Speaker 4: have to sort of push the envelope. And that's something

477
00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:46,360
Speaker 4: I'm still learning how to do. Just like the timing

478
00:23:46,359 --> 00:23:50,600
Speaker 4: of cooking a meal, I've really realized and embraced the

479
00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:53,560
Speaker 4: importance of meis on plas, which means getting all your

480
00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:57,600
Speaker 4: stuff together and chopping everything beforehand and making the actual

481
00:23:57,600 --> 00:24:00,600
Speaker 4: cooking process easy. Also, you feel like when you're doing

482
00:24:00,600 --> 00:24:02,960
Speaker 4: it and you're like pouring bowls of like chopped onions

483
00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:05,320
Speaker 4: in and it's all coming together remarkably fast like it

484
00:24:05,320 --> 00:24:07,240
Speaker 4: does on a cooking show. But you know, there's a

485
00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:09,440
Speaker 4: lot of work that goes into, you know, before you

486
00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:11,560
Speaker 4: get to do that. So I kind of find that

487
00:24:11,720 --> 00:24:15,360
Speaker 4: part of it very meditative and learning that you need

488
00:24:15,359 --> 00:24:17,359
Speaker 4: to take your time at the beginning so that you

489
00:24:17,359 --> 00:24:20,040
Speaker 4: can cook efficiently with something that I've took a while

490
00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:21,159
Speaker 4: for me to grasp.

491
00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:25,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, the idea of cooking more than one dish in

492
00:24:25,359 --> 00:24:28,400
Speaker 3: a twenty four hour period, to me, I just emotionally

493
00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:33,400
Speaker 3: shut down. I begin to panic. Like so when there's

494
00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:37,480
Speaker 3: a full meal prepared by a single person, it's a

495
00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:40,439
Speaker 3: true it's a miracle to me. Yeah, how did this happen?

496
00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:43,480
Speaker 4: I know, I know, and I like that I can

497
00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:45,960
Speaker 4: impress people with that. I mean, I'm going to be

498
00:24:46,040 --> 00:24:48,520
Speaker 4: really honest with you. I've been doing this play in New

499
00:24:48,520 --> 00:24:51,840
Speaker 4: York for since February. I've been rehearsal and so I

500
00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:53,879
Speaker 4: have not been cooking, and I feel like I've lost

501
00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:56,480
Speaker 4: all my skills. So I actually, when I go back

502
00:24:56,480 --> 00:24:58,560
Speaker 4: to La, I'm going to open up my own cookbook

503
00:24:58,720 --> 00:25:03,840
Speaker 4: and like try it and follow the instructions to tea and

504
00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:06,960
Speaker 4: sort of re emerge myself into the life of chef.

505
00:25:07,680 --> 00:25:10,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, so when you were developing this cookbook with Julie,

506
00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:14,640
Speaker 3: was it like the balancing of a cookbook, like, oh,

507
00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:17,520
Speaker 3: we have way too many chicken recipes. We've got to

508
00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:19,680
Speaker 3: is that kind of the process where it's like, now

509
00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:22,360
Speaker 3: we need a beef, now we need like how many

510
00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:24,920
Speaker 3: chicken recipes? There's too many chicken recipes.

511
00:25:25,280 --> 00:25:27,600
Speaker 4: Well, and that's the thing. It's like, you know, chicken

512
00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:29,920
Speaker 4: is the thing that most people cook from a cookbook,

513
00:25:30,040 --> 00:25:32,840
Speaker 4: and you know, our editors told us that, and so

514
00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:35,800
Speaker 4: we listened to them. So there is a whole chapter

515
00:25:35,920 --> 00:25:39,640
Speaker 4: that's just chicken, and then there's another chapter that's you know,

516
00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:43,000
Speaker 4: beef and pork. But yeah, there was one point where

517
00:25:43,040 --> 00:25:46,119
Speaker 4: I realized we had like four three or four fried

518
00:25:46,200 --> 00:25:49,359
Speaker 4: chicken dishes. Oh boy, we had chicken tenders. We have

519
00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:51,159
Speaker 4: fried chicken, and there was something else with like a

520
00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:53,080
Speaker 4: crispy chicken. I was like, okay, we need to pull back.

521
00:25:54,160 --> 00:25:56,640
Speaker 4: And that was all Julie being a Southern she likes

522
00:25:56,680 --> 00:25:58,879
Speaker 4: to butter and fry it.

523
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Speaker 3: You know what you're saying is there's at least one

524
00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:06,760
Speaker 3: unreleased chicken fried chicken recipe out there, kind of a

525
00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:07,639
Speaker 3: b side.

526
00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:10,360
Speaker 4: Exactly, That's absolutely true.

527
00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:12,600
Speaker 3: What's the best dish you can make? What's something you

528
00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:15,359
Speaker 3: can count on that everyone will be thrilled to eat?

529
00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:19,719
Speaker 4: Gosh, there's a there's a skirt steak recipe in our

530
00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:22,639
Speaker 4: cookbook that I really love, like a carne asada. That's

531
00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:27,080
Speaker 4: just a delicious marinade. And you know, you could serve

532
00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:29,240
Speaker 4: it by itself, you could do it in tacos. It's

533
00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:32,560
Speaker 4: it's really great. There's also this ground beef and pickle taco.

534
00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:35,760
Speaker 4: Oh that was inspired from So did you ever go

535
00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:38,400
Speaker 4: to Mallow in Silver Lake?

536
00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:42,680
Speaker 3: Yes, it's now kind of a bar restaurant, I think is.

537
00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:45,760
Speaker 4: What it's exactly. I think it's called bar. Yeah. Anyway,

538
00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:47,720
Speaker 4: they had a ground beef and pickle taco on the

539
00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:51,360
Speaker 4: menu and we loved it so much, and Mallows since

540
00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:53,960
Speaker 4: shut down, and so we paid homage to them by

541
00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:56,760
Speaker 4: creating our own ground beef and pickle taco and it

542
00:26:56,880 --> 00:27:01,600
Speaker 4: is just so good and I it's a combination that

543
00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:04,080
Speaker 4: a lot of people are nervous about but it is

544
00:27:04,359 --> 00:27:06,760
Speaker 4: really worth it. It's delicious.

545
00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:08,840
Speaker 3: Yeah. I'm trying to do the math in my head

546
00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:10,480
Speaker 3: right now of like to get to a place where

547
00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:12,600
Speaker 3: I would want to eat a ground beef and pickle taco,

548
00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:14,560
Speaker 3: and then I just think, oh, that's basically a hamburger.

549
00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:17,040
Speaker 3: I eat a pickle on a ground beef. That all

550
00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:19,720
Speaker 3: make now, it makes sense, but it just required a

551
00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:22,800
Speaker 3: little context before I was able to. But I bet

552
00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:23,560
Speaker 3: it's delicious.

553
00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:25,879
Speaker 4: Yeah, And you can make it with ground turkey.

554
00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:31,919
Speaker 3: Rightious poultry. I always get scared with beef. I'm like,

555
00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:35,560
Speaker 3: you can basically cook it too. Once it looks cooked,

556
00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:40,000
Speaker 3: you can basically eat it with chicken or turkey. Terrified, Yeah,

557
00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:44,240
Speaker 3: just yeah, I never so I always burn it. If

558
00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:46,239
Speaker 3: I have a ground turkey or a ground chicken, that

559
00:27:46,280 --> 00:27:49,840
Speaker 3: will be the driest thing on a plate. Absolutely, But

560
00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:53,680
Speaker 3: you'll be safe, and so I guess that's the trade off.

561
00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:55,760
Speaker 3: Now let me, I just want to open the book

562
00:27:55,760 --> 00:27:58,040
Speaker 3: here and take some take a peek at what's going on.

563
00:27:58,160 --> 00:28:03,640
Speaker 3: It looks like there's also some breakfast, yeah, seafood gumbo. Well,

564
00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:06,440
Speaker 3: I'm so excited. And there's also desserts. I love to bake,

565
00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:09,399
Speaker 3: and so I'm going to have to just dive in

566
00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:12,400
Speaker 3: and make some some treats or something. We'll see what

567
00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:15,960
Speaker 3: happens and then you know, I'll report back and we'll see.

568
00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:18,800
Speaker 3: I mean, I've all, I'm not a good I'm not

569
00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:21,399
Speaker 3: a good cook, but I am a decent baker. So

570
00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:24,080
Speaker 3: maybe I'll try one of each thing and see what happens.

571
00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:25,480
Speaker 4: Just try it.

572
00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:28,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, we'll give it a shot.

573
00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:31,080
Speaker 4: It's give it a shot. You'll get there.

574
00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:34,920
Speaker 3: I think it's time to play a game. Okay, We're

575
00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:36,840
Speaker 3: gonna play a game called Gift or a Curse. But

576
00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:38,760
Speaker 3: I need a number between one and ten from you.

577
00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:40,200
Speaker 4: Seven.

578
00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:43,000
Speaker 3: Okay. I have to do some light calculating to get

579
00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:45,120
Speaker 3: our game pieces. So right now you have the mic.

580
00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:47,440
Speaker 3: You can recommend something, you can promote something, you can

581
00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:49,640
Speaker 3: do whatever you want. I'll be right back.

582
00:28:50,120 --> 00:28:53,640
Speaker 4: Okay. So Also, something I've been working on right now

583
00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:56,719
Speaker 4: that I'm really excited about is I co produced and

584
00:28:56,920 --> 00:29:01,520
Speaker 4: am acting in a scripted podcast called Gay Pride and Prejudice.

585
00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:04,200
Speaker 4: It's written by my friend Zachary Grady, and it is

586
00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:08,640
Speaker 4: an adaptation of Pride and Prejudice set in twenty fifteen

587
00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:11,920
Speaker 4: when marriage quality first became legal. And if you're a

588
00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:14,960
Speaker 4: Jane Austin fan, it's something that you're absolutely going to love.

589
00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:16,960
Speaker 4: If you're not a Jane Austin fan, it's said something

590
00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:21,200
Speaker 4: that you're absolutely going to love. It's available to stream

591
00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:25,080
Speaker 4: on Spotify right now. There are ten episodes, and you know,

592
00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:27,760
Speaker 4: we're happy to be going into Pride Month with this

593
00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:35,360
Speaker 4: really fun, sort of serialized, quirky rom com. It's a

594
00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:39,000
Speaker 4: wrong com as Jamie jay Asen was the first rom

595
00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:42,400
Speaker 4: com writer, so we're just taking her a writing and

596
00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:45,280
Speaker 4: updating it. And it's got a great cast, me and

597
00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:51,080
Speaker 4: Rosie O'Donnell and Malik Pancholi and it's actually, i think

598
00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:54,440
Speaker 4: almost entirely queer cast, which I'm really proud of as well.

599
00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:57,840
Speaker 4: So yeah, that's something I'm very very happy to be

600
00:29:57,880 --> 00:29:58,480
Speaker 4: doing right now.

601
00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:03,880
Speaker 3: Beautiful. That sounds wonderful. Listener, there's a podcast recommendation.

602
00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:05,200
Speaker 4: Gay Pride and Prejudice.

603
00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:07,720
Speaker 3: Any version of Pride and Prejudice is always delightful.

604
00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:08,360
Speaker 4: Agreed.

605
00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:11,360
Speaker 3: We love romance, we love a little funny, so go

606
00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:14,560
Speaker 3: find that. But in the meantime we need to play

607
00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:16,640
Speaker 3: Gift or a Curse. Jesse this is how the game works.

608
00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:19,240
Speaker 3: I'm going to name three things. You're going to tell

609
00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:21,880
Speaker 3: me if there are a gift or a curse and why,

610
00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:24,840
Speaker 3: And I'm going to tell you if you're right or wrong,

611
00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:29,440
Speaker 3: because there are correct answers, and you could lose, okay, Yeah,

612
00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:34,800
Speaker 3: and losing is shameful. Losing is embarrassing and everybody hates

613
00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:37,880
Speaker 3: it when that happens. But look, we'll just see what happens,

614
00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:41,200
Speaker 3: all right. Number one, This is a listener suggestion from

615
00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:45,520
Speaker 3: somebody named Nina, and Nina wants to know gift or

616
00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:49,760
Speaker 3: a curse? Buying holiday candy on sale the day after

617
00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:53,720
Speaker 3: the holiday gift? Why?

618
00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:57,440
Speaker 4: I mean, I listen. I love candy. That's that's I mean,

619
00:30:57,480 --> 00:31:00,240
Speaker 4: that's where we're starting. I love candy. I shouldn't it

620
00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:02,080
Speaker 4: as much as I do, but I do. And if

621
00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:04,000
Speaker 4: you're gonna get it at all discount price, why not?

622
00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:07,720
Speaker 4: I mean those bags of hollowing candy are huge. They're

623
00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:10,480
Speaker 4: gonna last you a few months, and it doesn't go

624
00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:13,720
Speaker 4: bad after a day. It's just a day. I mean,

625
00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:16,000
Speaker 4: I would. I'm the type of guy that will buy

626
00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:19,680
Speaker 4: candy corn in December if it's available to me. I'm

627
00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:24,880
Speaker 4: not gonna wait until until October or late August, late September.

628
00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:27,160
Speaker 4: I'm gonna buy it when I want it. I love

629
00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:30,000
Speaker 4: candy corn. So if candy Corn's involved what, I don't

630
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:31,320
Speaker 4: even know what. I don't even know how this is

631
00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:32,440
Speaker 4: sit up for debate.

632
00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:37,760
Speaker 3: Oh Jesse, what a horrible way to start the game.

633
00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:44,000
Speaker 3: It's a loss, absolutely, of course. Look I understand everything

634
00:31:44,040 --> 00:31:47,320
Speaker 3: you're saying there, but for me, the reality of buying

635
00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:50,400
Speaker 3: the candy the day after is always it sends me

636
00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:52,920
Speaker 3: into a panic, like you go, the aisles have been

637
00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:56,360
Speaker 3: picked bare. Yeah, really, Well, what I'm thinking about right

638
00:31:56,360 --> 00:31:59,400
Speaker 3: now is the Cadbury Mini Egg, which absolutely will not

639
00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:02,560
Speaker 3: still be available the day after. You're not getting fifty

640
00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:04,640
Speaker 3: to seventy five percent off on the mini egg because

641
00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:07,720
Speaker 3: everybody bought them up, so you're showing up and it's

642
00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:13,080
Speaker 3: like black licorice peeps. After Halloween, you've got like eighty

643
00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:16,560
Speaker 3: pound bags of circus peanuts. Sure you can get them

644
00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:20,080
Speaker 3: for cheap, but to me, it's just a sad walk

645
00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:23,560
Speaker 3: down the aisle. It's a reminder that the holiday is over.

646
00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:27,120
Speaker 3: And also, I have to say, the full price kind

647
00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:29,480
Speaker 3: of fences you in with your candy purchases. You can't

648
00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:32,400
Speaker 3: go too wild. I know I can only buy one

649
00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:36,120
Speaker 3: bag of the candy rather than fill my cupboards with

650
00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:39,400
Speaker 3: And again, I'm just talking about mini eggs because that's

651
00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:44,440
Speaker 3: the best holiday candy. But here's Jesse with the candy corn.

652
00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:47,320
Speaker 3: Do they I feel like they should make Christmas candy corn?

653
00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:49,320
Speaker 3: They like make them look like little trees.

654
00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:51,840
Speaker 4: If they haven't already, that's I mean, that seems like

655
00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:53,120
Speaker 4: a no brainer, right right.

656
00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:55,800
Speaker 3: It should be green with a white tip. It looks

657
00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:58,960
Speaker 3: like there a little snow on there. Sure, I can't.

658
00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:03,480
Speaker 3: I can't come up with every idea for everybody. I don't.

659
00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:05,720
Speaker 3: I don't have the time or energy. But there's one

660
00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:09,120
Speaker 3: for the candy industry. If you haven't already done it, okay,

661
00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:11,480
Speaker 3: well you didn't get that point, that's fine, Let's give

662
00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:15,240
Speaker 3: it another shot. Give her a curse. Robes?

663
00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:19,840
Speaker 4: Oh, I kind of feel like it's a curse.

664
00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:21,480
Speaker 3: Why.

665
00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:25,840
Speaker 4: I just like, no one looks good at them. The

666
00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:29,200
Speaker 4: minute you sit down, or just even your body moves

667
00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:34,360
Speaker 4: a certain way, something's falling out. They're either too short

668
00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:38,080
Speaker 4: or too long. The shoulders never fit. The shoulders always

669
00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:41,360
Speaker 4: like down by like my the mid part by my elbows.

670
00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:45,360
Speaker 4: The the tie part always comes out of the little

671
00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:48,080
Speaker 4: loopy doo bees and you have to go find the tie.

672
00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:51,080
Speaker 4: I just and then when you use it after getting

673
00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:53,400
Speaker 4: out of a out of a bath or a shower,

674
00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:58,800
Speaker 4: you're wearing a wet towel. That's true, that's what you're doing.

675
00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:01,680
Speaker 4: You're just wearing a wet towel around. Dry me off,

676
00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:03,920
Speaker 4: and put me in some clothes. I don't want to

677
00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:05,760
Speaker 4: sit in that in between stage of getting out of

678
00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:08,880
Speaker 4: the shower and getting dressed. Now, if I'm at if

679
00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:11,799
Speaker 4: I'm getting a massage and I to get from the

680
00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:15,680
Speaker 4: locker room to the massage room, fine, I'll wear a

681
00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:20,360
Speaker 4: rope as a as a as a an outfit of transportation.

682
00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:24,600
Speaker 3: Okay, Well, so you're saying curse.

683
00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:27,200
Speaker 4: I'm saying curse, Jesse.

684
00:34:27,560 --> 00:34:31,399
Speaker 3: I'm not trying to make this hard for you. I'm

685
00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:35,760
Speaker 3: really not. But you've you've failed another robes a gift

686
00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:38,279
Speaker 3: what you have. Every point you just made I can

687
00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:42,239
Speaker 3: absolutely argue against. First of all, you're saying they're either

688
00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:44,239
Speaker 3: too short or too long. Okay, if it's too short,

689
00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:45,880
Speaker 3: it's sexy. If it's too long, it looks like a

690
00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:50,600
Speaker 3: wizard's cape. That's fantastic, that's powerful, that's exciting. Off the shoulder.

691
00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:53,600
Speaker 3: Who doesn't love an off the shoulder. Look, okay, now

692
00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:56,600
Speaker 3: you're talking about putting them on right after the bath, Jesse,

693
00:34:56,760 --> 00:34:59,960
Speaker 3: dry off, then put it on. Look here's the thing.

694
00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:02,200
Speaker 3: I never thought I would own a rope. I never

695
00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:04,319
Speaker 3: you know, it always felt like something that was just

696
00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:06,600
Speaker 3: not for me. Then I was given one as a gift.

697
00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:08,560
Speaker 3: It is something you kind of need to receive as

698
00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:12,640
Speaker 3: a gift to unlock its full potential. And now suddenly

699
00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:15,000
Speaker 3: it'll be eleven thirty and I'm wandering around the yard

700
00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:21,240
Speaker 3: in a rope, feeling incredible, feeling luxurious. It's a beautiful object.

701
00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:26,759
Speaker 3: It's a gift. Ah, Okay, all right, you've got one

702
00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:29,720
Speaker 3: chance left to redeem yourself, and I'm really I'm rooting

703
00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:30,920
Speaker 3: for you here.

704
00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:33,680
Speaker 4: Contrary again though, this is this is the thing I

705
00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:34,200
Speaker 4: think it's.

706
00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:38,239
Speaker 3: Listened back on this podcast. There have been winners, there

707
00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:40,920
Speaker 3: have been losers that have been in betweens. You might

708
00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:43,080
Speaker 3: be the first full loser, and I don't want that

709
00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:43,600
Speaker 3: to happen.

710
00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:45,480
Speaker 4: I'll embrace it if I am.

711
00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:49,160
Speaker 3: You've done an excellent job making your points. They've just

712
00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:53,480
Speaker 3: happened to be completely wrong. Okay. Final one, This is

713
00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:57,320
Speaker 3: from a listener named Daria. Gift or a curse? Claw

714
00:35:57,640 --> 00:36:02,120
Speaker 3: hair clips? Are you familiar a little laws front your hair?

715
00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:03,320
Speaker 3: What do you think?

716
00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:07,799
Speaker 4: I find them to be a curse just because I

717
00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:10,640
Speaker 4: don't think that they're appealing to look at.

718
00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:14,919
Speaker 3: You just think that as an object, it's ugly.

719
00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:18,839
Speaker 4: Yeah, I just feel like it's kind of like like

720
00:36:19,120 --> 00:36:21,040
Speaker 4: I feel the same about a scrunchy. Like I just

721
00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:23,799
Speaker 4: I think that there's other option. There's other options, like

722
00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:29,560
Speaker 4: we've been provided with better options that are just more

723
00:36:29,719 --> 00:36:32,320
Speaker 4: more appealing to the eye. I just find I find

724
00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:34,600
Speaker 4: that I find the claw as well as a scrunchy.

725
00:36:34,680 --> 00:36:37,239
Speaker 4: And I know we're not talking about scrunches been but

726
00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:39,719
Speaker 4: both of these sponsors category. I just find them to

727
00:36:39,719 --> 00:36:41,080
Speaker 4: be a lazy solution.

728
00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:45,320
Speaker 3: You like a little work to be put into a hairstyle.

729
00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:45,879
Speaker 4: A little bit more of work.

730
00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:52,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, Jesse, I I absolutely cannot believe this. You have

731
00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:55,920
Speaker 3: made history on this podcast. As far as I know,

732
00:36:56,440 --> 00:36:58,960
Speaker 3: no one has ever been walked away a complete loser

733
00:36:59,800 --> 00:37:04,480
Speaker 3: just claw hair clips. They're a gift, it's and you've

734
00:37:04,520 --> 00:37:06,480
Speaker 3: also brought up an excellent point with the scrunchy, which

735
00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:08,319
Speaker 3: I'm also on the side of. Both these are the

736
00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:11,120
Speaker 3: two hair items that I know that also double as

737
00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:14,359
Speaker 3: a toy. Both are kind of fun to play with,

738
00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:17,480
Speaker 3: but I feel like the claw hair clips, just with

739
00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:20,560
Speaker 3: the nineties being back in full force, are probably back

740
00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:24,520
Speaker 3: on trend. I love to crunch them. You know, when

741
00:37:24,520 --> 00:37:26,799
Speaker 3: you're bored in church or whatever, when you're a kid,

742
00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:30,439
Speaker 3: suddenly you've got a toy. Suddenly your little sister's hair

743
00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:33,720
Speaker 3: clip is around your wrist. This scrunchy is around the wrist.

744
00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:36,759
Speaker 3: We're using it as an elastic rubber band. What a

745
00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:40,080
Speaker 3: delightful thing. And look, we don't all have time to

746
00:37:40,160 --> 00:37:43,880
Speaker 3: throw our hair into a full thing. Obviously. I'm not

747
00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:46,640
Speaker 3: wearing either of these. My hair's far too short for either,

748
00:37:46,719 --> 00:37:49,680
Speaker 3: so I can't really speak to the experience, but I

749
00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:55,200
Speaker 3: find they're toys. They're fun, they're exciting. Jesse, it breaks

750
00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:58,120
Speaker 3: my heart. It absolutely breaks my heart to watch you

751
00:37:58,160 --> 00:38:01,520
Speaker 3: walk away from this game just burned to ash.

752
00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:03,239
Speaker 4: Yeah, but.

753
00:38:06,080 --> 00:38:10,600
Speaker 3: I will say the effort was admirable. I didn't want

754
00:38:10,640 --> 00:38:13,360
Speaker 3: it to work out this way, but at least you

755
00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:14,040
Speaker 3: made history.

756
00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:16,120
Speaker 4: I'm happy to make history anyway.

757
00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:19,520
Speaker 3: And let's be honest. To walk away from this game

758
00:38:19,560 --> 00:38:22,800
Speaker 3: with one out of three, that's actually more shameful.

759
00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:24,000
Speaker 4: I agree.

760
00:38:24,360 --> 00:38:28,000
Speaker 3: So you're a star in my eyes. And we're now

761
00:38:28,040 --> 00:38:31,000
Speaker 3: at the final segment of the podcast. This is called

762
00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:33,719
Speaker 3: I said no emails, and people are writing into I

763
00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:37,280
Speaker 3: Said no gifts at gmail dot com. For some reason,

764
00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:41,160
Speaker 3: my listeners have just an unending amount of problems and

765
00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:46,920
Speaker 3: questions about social situations, receiving gifts, giving gifts. I'm running

766
00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:48,600
Speaker 3: out of patience with it, but I have no choice

767
00:38:48,640 --> 00:38:51,239
Speaker 3: but to answer these questions. And then, of course my

768
00:38:51,320 --> 00:38:56,439
Speaker 3: guest is always delighted and so excited to help me. So, Jesse,

769
00:38:56,520 --> 00:38:59,960
Speaker 3: I assume you'll help me to answer a question. Sure,

770
00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:04,920
Speaker 3: all right, let's get into this. Let's open the document. Okay,

771
00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:09,200
Speaker 3: this is okay, Highbridger and guest. I live in an

772
00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:12,960
Speaker 3: apartment that is above one other person. I don't fraternize

773
00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:15,319
Speaker 3: with the person, but I do sometimes keep tabs on

774
00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:19,600
Speaker 3: his behaviors, like vaping outside at one am and looking

775
00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:21,640
Speaker 3: at the parking pass on his car to see where

776
00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:24,759
Speaker 3: he works. Okay, some alarm bells are going off in

777
00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:27,680
Speaker 3: my head. A one day, I took a nice self

778
00:39:27,719 --> 00:39:30,360
Speaker 3: care bath in my bathtub that was previously having some

779
00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:33,279
Speaker 3: draining issues. This issue came to a head when the

780
00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:36,520
Speaker 3: tub was draining. It caused the pipe to burst and

781
00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:40,040
Speaker 3: spill into the neighbor below me's bathroom and the basement.

782
00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:42,880
Speaker 3: The landlord assured me this was not my fault, but

783
00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:46,280
Speaker 3: I do feel partially responsible for putting my neighbor's bathroom

784
00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:48,640
Speaker 3: out of commission for a few days. I want to

785
00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:51,640
Speaker 3: give him a gift to express my remorse and guilt

786
00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:55,080
Speaker 3: for inconveniencing him, since he is a very quiet neighbor.

787
00:39:55,600 --> 00:39:58,200
Speaker 3: Any ideas on if this is necessary and what I

788
00:39:58,239 --> 00:40:01,280
Speaker 3: should get him? Many thanks? And that's Monica in Michigan.

789
00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:03,319
Speaker 3: I love when somebody signs off from where they're from.

790
00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:06,439
Speaker 3: It just feels a little bit more official, and it

791
00:40:06,440 --> 00:40:09,799
Speaker 3: allows me to imagine where their problem is and why

792
00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:11,080
Speaker 3: their life is falling apart.

793
00:40:11,600 --> 00:40:13,680
Speaker 4: Well. And it's a very it's a very Midwest thing

794
00:40:13,719 --> 00:40:14,760
Speaker 4: that she's wanting to do.

795
00:40:15,560 --> 00:40:19,279
Speaker 3: To give to give a gift for a problem, Yes, yes, yeah,

796
00:40:19,320 --> 00:40:21,880
Speaker 3: what do you think of this situation? I mean, I

797
00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:24,080
Speaker 3: will say there were the first couple of sentences I

798
00:40:24,120 --> 00:40:26,600
Speaker 3: was thinking, Okay, so this woman is basically stalking her

799
00:40:26,640 --> 00:40:30,560
Speaker 3: downstairs neighbor. She's looking into his car, she's watching him

800
00:40:31,080 --> 00:40:34,239
Speaker 3: in the dark, and then she's flooding his apartment. So

801
00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:37,000
Speaker 3: what needs what needs to happen here?

802
00:40:37,560 --> 00:40:40,200
Speaker 4: Well, I think I think that the gesture is very nice.

803
00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:43,560
Speaker 4: I don't think that that, you know, sending something as

804
00:40:43,600 --> 00:40:46,560
Speaker 4: an apology. It's not her fault, but I think, you know,

805
00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:47,920
Speaker 4: it's a nice gesture. It's sort of like, you know,

806
00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:50,480
Speaker 4: when you move into a neighborhood and you bring you know,

807
00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:54,439
Speaker 4: your new neighbor cookies. You know, it's it's a nice

808
00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:57,320
Speaker 4: neighborly thing to do. It's certainly not going to hurt

809
00:40:57,600 --> 00:41:02,239
Speaker 4: her relationship with her neighbor to do that. Is it necessary? No,

810
00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:04,760
Speaker 4: it's not necessary, But you know a lot of things

811
00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:07,000
Speaker 4: that not everything needs to be necessary. I think if

812
00:41:07,040 --> 00:41:09,080
Speaker 4: it makes her feel good. I'm a people pleaser. I

813
00:41:09,120 --> 00:41:11,040
Speaker 4: don't like people being mad at me, So I get

814
00:41:11,040 --> 00:41:13,600
Speaker 4: where she's coming from. You want to just do something.

815
00:41:14,120 --> 00:41:19,160
Speaker 4: It's to make herself feel better, which is okay, okay.

816
00:41:19,160 --> 00:41:23,240
Speaker 3: Interesting. So Monica's out there kind of willy nilly, taking

817
00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:28,880
Speaker 3: baths and flooding neighbors apartments. Have you ever dealt with flooding?

818
00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:29,680
Speaker 4: Yes?

819
00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:32,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, how was that emotionally for you?

820
00:41:32,680 --> 00:41:36,040
Speaker 4: Well, I lived in a place in New York where

821
00:41:36,080 --> 00:41:39,480
Speaker 4: the there was a leak in our art unit and

822
00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:42,520
Speaker 4: it actually our floor started to decay and I just

823
00:41:42,560 --> 00:41:44,759
Speaker 4: could walk down and so that Yeah, I looked down

824
00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:46,920
Speaker 4: into the apartment below us. I mean, it's just sort

825
00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:48,839
Speaker 4: of you know what happens when you live on top

826
00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:51,279
Speaker 4: of people in these old apartments, Like things are bound

827
00:41:51,320 --> 00:41:53,960
Speaker 4: to happen. But it took the building a very, very

828
00:41:54,200 --> 00:41:57,839
Speaker 4: very long time to fix it, and you know, there

829
00:41:57,880 --> 00:42:00,520
Speaker 4: was a mold issues and it seems awful. I was

830
00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:03,239
Speaker 4: a kid, like they weren't taking I was in a

831
00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:08,600
Speaker 4: priority and you know, I had plastic bags around this

832
00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:10,680
Speaker 4: hole so I could you know, have privacy when I

833
00:42:10,680 --> 00:42:12,840
Speaker 4: was in my bad It was awful. It was terrible.

834
00:42:13,840 --> 00:42:15,360
Speaker 4: So emotionally not great.

835
00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:18,879
Speaker 3: Did you grow closer to the neighbor you were able

836
00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:19,880
Speaker 3: to observe.

837
00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:24,960
Speaker 4: No, I don't even think. I think we both avoided

838
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:27,640
Speaker 4: each other. We were so like humiliated.

839
00:42:29,440 --> 00:42:31,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a that's an odd spot to be and

840
00:42:31,560 --> 00:42:34,360
Speaker 3: where you're kind of both just always in each other's

841
00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:36,239
Speaker 3: business and the landlord doesn't care.

842
00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:37,080
Speaker 4: Yeah.

843
00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:40,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I had some flooding in this very room

844
00:42:40,239 --> 00:42:44,839
Speaker 3: I'm recording in over the winter, and I had been

845
00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:48,120
Speaker 3: away on vacation and I came home and suddenly my

846
00:42:48,120 --> 00:42:50,799
Speaker 3: my little office is full of water, and it was

847
00:42:51,080 --> 00:42:55,200
Speaker 3: it was a breakdown situation. It was a real life lesson,

848
00:42:55,520 --> 00:42:59,480
Speaker 3: you know, wielding a mop until the actual professionals could

849
00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:01,880
Speaker 3: show up. So I know what Monica's neighbor's dealing with,

850
00:43:01,920 --> 00:43:06,520
Speaker 3: and he's furious. He's not in a good spot. So Monica,

851
00:43:06,560 --> 00:43:08,799
Speaker 3: you do need to get him a gift. But the

852
00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:13,040
Speaker 3: thing is is, Monica apparently has really been spying on

853
00:43:13,080 --> 00:43:15,480
Speaker 3: this person in a huge way where she should know

854
00:43:15,520 --> 00:43:19,640
Speaker 3: some personal details about what he enjoys doing, the cleanliness

855
00:43:19,640 --> 00:43:23,000
Speaker 3: of his car. She didn't provide much to go by

856
00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:26,239
Speaker 3: other than the fact that he vapes at one am. Right,

857
00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:29,359
Speaker 3: So Monica leaves us in a lurch where it's like,

858
00:43:29,560 --> 00:43:32,960
Speaker 3: I don't know what this person needs outside of flood repair,

859
00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:37,160
Speaker 3: maybe some new tiling. I mean we were talking about

860
00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:39,319
Speaker 3: and we did, you know, kind of getting a huge

861
00:43:39,320 --> 00:43:42,759
Speaker 3: fight earlier about robes. One of us thinks that they're

862
00:43:42,760 --> 00:43:46,080
Speaker 3: a curse. One of us knows they're a gift. But

863
00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:49,000
Speaker 3: I did mention that a robe makes an excellent gift

864
00:43:49,040 --> 00:43:51,200
Speaker 3: doesn't make a good gift for a stranger. That's the

865
00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:54,600
Speaker 3: big question. Showing up to someone's house and giving them

866
00:43:54,600 --> 00:43:57,120
Speaker 3: something that they'll probably wear in their underwear or naked.

867
00:43:57,160 --> 00:44:02,440
Speaker 3: It feels maybe a little invasive. But again, we've Monica

868
00:44:02,440 --> 00:44:05,480
Speaker 3: has kind of described herself as somebody who doesn't mind

869
00:44:05,640 --> 00:44:08,960
Speaker 3: spying or getting into people's business. So Monica, that is

870
00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:11,440
Speaker 3: an option, and or maybe a set of towels, a

871
00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:13,640
Speaker 3: little you know, a little nod to the fact that

872
00:44:13,680 --> 00:44:17,440
Speaker 3: you destroyed his bathroom piece of art to hang on

873
00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:21,400
Speaker 3: the wall. Bath salts, I mean, the world that is

874
00:44:21,480 --> 00:44:24,360
Speaker 3: kind of the The world of bathing products is the

875
00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:28,000
Speaker 3: perfect kind of non gift. It's almost in candle territory

876
00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:29,760
Speaker 3: where you don't need to know anything about the person.

877
00:44:30,360 --> 00:44:34,040
Speaker 3: So some nice soaps a basket. You go and fill

878
00:44:34,040 --> 00:44:37,719
Speaker 3: a basket with the soaps, the bath salts, the bath bombs,

879
00:44:39,200 --> 00:44:42,239
Speaker 3: what have you. And I think that your neighbor is

880
00:44:42,239 --> 00:44:46,160
Speaker 3: going to be thrilled or a ape pen. He could

881
00:44:46,160 --> 00:44:51,080
Speaker 3: always use a new vape pen. Yeah, so Monica, maybe

882
00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:55,200
Speaker 3: you know, make sure the pipe and what have you

883
00:44:55,320 --> 00:44:57,960
Speaker 3: is fixed before you take another bath. That feels like

884
00:44:58,000 --> 00:45:00,520
Speaker 3: a gift enough to me, and maybe you reach out

885
00:45:00,560 --> 00:45:02,640
Speaker 3: to this guy at one am while he's vaping, Maybe

886
00:45:02,840 --> 00:45:06,840
Speaker 3: yell down to his balcony and start up a conversation.

887
00:45:06,920 --> 00:45:10,319
Speaker 3: He sounds lonely. His apartment is filling with mildew and

888
00:45:10,920 --> 00:45:15,600
Speaker 3: mack all because of you, and it's time that you

889
00:45:16,160 --> 00:45:19,920
Speaker 3: mend this fence. Jesse, I feel like we answered that

890
00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:21,400
Speaker 3: question more than perfectly.

891
00:45:21,640 --> 00:45:23,319
Speaker 4: I think we did. We nailed it.

892
00:45:24,120 --> 00:45:29,480
Speaker 3: Monica has nothing to complain about, and it's hopefully she'll

893
00:45:29,520 --> 00:45:31,600
Speaker 3: be able to solve that problem and move on with

894
00:45:31,640 --> 00:45:33,759
Speaker 3: her life. Or you know, she can just leave town

895
00:45:33,800 --> 00:45:37,920
Speaker 3: and forget about the neighbor. That's always an option to always.

896
00:45:38,920 --> 00:45:39,200
Speaker 1: Well.

897
00:45:39,239 --> 00:45:42,319
Speaker 3: I now have this cookbook from you, and I'm going

898
00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:44,400
Speaker 3: to have to dive in and make some recipes. And

899
00:45:45,120 --> 00:45:47,960
Speaker 3: a cookbook you'd have kind of placing blame on the

900
00:45:48,120 --> 00:45:50,680
Speaker 3: end user because the recipes may look perfect and they

901
00:45:50,719 --> 00:45:53,800
Speaker 3: may have been tested to within an inch of their life.

902
00:45:53,840 --> 00:45:55,360
Speaker 3: But then it gets into the hands of someone like

903
00:45:55,440 --> 00:45:56,520
Speaker 3: me and.

904
00:45:58,840 --> 00:46:01,240
Speaker 4: Going to take as long as it tastes right, as.

905
00:46:01,120 --> 00:46:04,160
Speaker 3: Long as it tastes great. I mean, we'll see what happens.

906
00:46:04,360 --> 00:46:07,960
Speaker 3: I cannot be trusted with almost any recipe, but I'll

907
00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:10,359
Speaker 3: start with a baking with a treat and we'll move

908
00:46:10,400 --> 00:46:15,880
Speaker 3: on from well, I've just had a fantastic time with

909
00:46:15,920 --> 00:46:20,759
Speaker 3: you here today, and uh, listener, this is the end

910
00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:23,560
Speaker 3: of the podcast. We're moving into the part where you

911
00:46:23,640 --> 00:46:26,920
Speaker 3: have to, you know, as you do every week, make

912
00:46:26,960 --> 00:46:30,279
Speaker 3: some decisions for your own life. You've got to take

913
00:46:30,320 --> 00:46:32,759
Speaker 3: responsibility for yourself. And I hope that you're willing to

914
00:46:32,800 --> 00:46:36,880
Speaker 3: do that. And I trust you. I'm learning to trust you,

915
00:46:36,880 --> 00:46:39,440
Speaker 3: You're learning to trust me, and we're both going to

916
00:46:39,480 --> 00:46:42,520
Speaker 3: move on with our days and just h we'll talk

917
00:46:42,560 --> 00:46:47,279
Speaker 3: again soon. I love you, goodbye. I know that I

918
00:46:47,360 --> 00:46:50,719
Speaker 3: just said that this podcast was over. I have to

919
00:46:50,719 --> 00:46:53,520
Speaker 3: take one more moment of your time forgive me. This

920
00:46:53,600 --> 00:46:59,120
Speaker 3: podcast obviously is based on integrity, accuracy, and honesty, and

921
00:46:59,800 --> 00:47:03,479
Speaker 3: it only occurred to me after the recording that Jesse

922
00:47:03,600 --> 00:47:06,960
Speaker 3: Tyler Ferguson is not the first loser of gift or

923
00:47:06,960 --> 00:47:09,759
Speaker 3: a curse. He did not make history. I have to

924
00:47:09,760 --> 00:47:13,239
Speaker 3: make that very clear. I realized after that I and

925
00:47:13,320 --> 00:47:16,120
Speaker 3: again I could be wrong. I'm wrong on occasion, let's

926
00:47:16,160 --> 00:47:19,960
Speaker 3: be honest. But I did realize that Carl Tart is

927
00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:22,959
Speaker 3: the first loser, the first person to drop the ball

928
00:47:23,000 --> 00:47:27,640
Speaker 3: on all three gift a curse suggestions. Carl lost the

929
00:47:27,640 --> 00:47:29,920
Speaker 3: game big time, and then he came back for the

930
00:47:29,920 --> 00:47:33,239
Speaker 3: Holiday episode and also lost that. So not only did

931
00:47:33,280 --> 00:47:37,880
Speaker 3: Carl make history, he is zero for four, not zero

932
00:47:37,960 --> 00:47:39,560
Speaker 3: for three. So he's kind of the king of the

933
00:47:39,560 --> 00:47:42,600
Speaker 3: losers of the game, and I don't want to take

934
00:47:42,640 --> 00:47:45,000
Speaker 3: that away from him. Jesse Tyler Ferguson. Yes, he is

935
00:47:45,040 --> 00:47:48,239
Speaker 3: a loser and has lost the game, but he was

936
00:47:48,360 --> 00:47:52,879
Speaker 3: the I believe, and again, who can tell? Jesse Tayler

937
00:47:52,960 --> 00:47:55,239
Speaker 3: Ferguson is the second loser of the game, which makes

938
00:47:55,320 --> 00:47:57,880
Speaker 3: him It does make him a loser in a different way.

939
00:47:58,840 --> 00:48:01,239
Speaker 3: He couldn't even be the first, but I had. I

940
00:48:01,239 --> 00:48:08,960
Speaker 3: couldn't let you go without revealing this information. Thank you, goodbye,

941
00:48:10,719 --> 00:48:13,839
Speaker 3: I said, No Gifts is an exactly right production. It's

942
00:48:13,840 --> 00:48:17,400
Speaker 3: produced by our dear friend Analise Nelson, and it's beautifully

943
00:48:17,400 --> 00:48:21,240
Speaker 3: mixed by John Bradley. The theme song, of course, could

944
00:48:21,239 --> 00:48:25,520
Speaker 3: only come from miracle worker Amy Mannon. You must follow

945
00:48:25,560 --> 00:48:28,239
Speaker 3: the show on Instagram at I said No Gifts, I

946
00:48:28,239 --> 00:48:30,560
Speaker 3: don't want to hear any excuses. That's where you get

947
00:48:30,560 --> 00:48:32,880
Speaker 3: to see pictures of all these gorgeous gifts I'm getting.

948
00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:34,680
Speaker 3: And don't you want to see pictures of the gifts?

949
00:48:36,840 --> 00:48:38,399
Speaker 2: Livit? Did you hear?

950
00:48:40,920 --> 00:48:45,840
Speaker 1: Thought a man myself perfectly clear. When you're a guest

951
00:48:45,880 --> 00:48:55,320
Speaker 1: to me, you gotta come to me empty. And I said, no, guests,

952
00:48:55,400 --> 00:48:57,680
Speaker 1: your presences presence in.

953
00:49:00,040 --> 00:49:04,319
Speaker 2: Already had too much stuff. So how do you dare

954
00:49:04,520 --> 00:49:06,080
Speaker 2: to surbey me?