1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:04,280 Speaker 1: It's time to get inside the Giants Huttle on giants 2 00:00:04,280 --> 00:00:09,440 Speaker 1: dot Com. The Giants part of the Giants podcast Network. 3 00:00:09,560 --> 00:00:12,120 Speaker 1: Welcome to the news edition of the Giant Shuttle Podcast. 4 00:00:12,200 --> 00:00:15,320 Speaker 1: John Schmoke with you. We continue our preview of the 5 00:00:15,440 --> 00:00:19,200 Speaker 1: NFL Draft with Shawn O'Hara and David Deal. But first 6 00:00:19,280 --> 00:00:21,880 Speaker 1: a reminder you can find the Giant Subtle Podcast on 7 00:00:21,880 --> 00:00:24,920 Speaker 1: the Giants Podcast Now. We're presented by Investors Bank at 8 00:00:24,960 --> 00:00:27,760 Speaker 1: Giants dot com, Slash Podcast, on the Giants Mobile app, 9 00:00:27,960 --> 00:00:31,880 Speaker 1: and on your favorite podcast platforms. Joined by David Deal. 10 00:00:31,920 --> 00:00:33,559 Speaker 1: I am John schmal because you take a look at 11 00:00:33,560 --> 00:00:37,280 Speaker 1: the edge rushers that are coming out in the NFL Draft, 12 00:00:37,320 --> 00:00:39,880 Speaker 1: and Dave, this is a group that has a lot 13 00:00:39,920 --> 00:00:45,600 Speaker 1: of interesting prospects. No necessarily any sure things like you 14 00:00:45,720 --> 00:00:48,479 Speaker 1: had with Chase Young's the bosses and players like that 15 00:00:48,520 --> 00:00:50,920 Speaker 1: in the past. No, I mean this is a group 16 00:00:50,920 --> 00:00:53,599 Speaker 1: that where you're seeing now pretty much all the edge 17 00:00:53,640 --> 00:00:58,040 Speaker 1: rushers and defense events you see starting to slowly triculate 18 00:00:58,400 --> 00:01:01,960 Speaker 1: into the levens, the teens later into this draft because 19 00:01:02,000 --> 00:01:04,399 Speaker 1: it's so heavy right now with the quarterbacks and wide 20 00:01:04,400 --> 00:01:07,640 Speaker 1: receivers and offensive weapons in front of the draft that 21 00:01:07,760 --> 00:01:09,600 Speaker 1: I do think that there still is a lot of 22 00:01:09,680 --> 00:01:11,920 Speaker 1: value in these players, but I don't think they're gonna 23 00:01:11,959 --> 00:01:14,160 Speaker 1: go off the board like you said, like previous drafts. 24 00:01:14,560 --> 00:01:17,440 Speaker 1: You know, this is an area of my expertise playing 25 00:01:17,440 --> 00:01:20,160 Speaker 1: offensive tackle in the NFL. This was something that I 26 00:01:20,200 --> 00:01:23,600 Speaker 1: did drop my entire career, breaking down pass rus moves 27 00:01:23,600 --> 00:01:26,240 Speaker 1: into and breaking down the run game and ways to 28 00:01:26,280 --> 00:01:29,200 Speaker 1: attack these players. And it's an exciting time for to 29 00:01:29,240 --> 00:01:31,920 Speaker 1: see these developmental players that are gonna excel at the 30 00:01:31,959 --> 00:01:34,160 Speaker 1: next level. And you hear a lot of names. I'm 31 00:01:34,200 --> 00:01:38,400 Speaker 1: gonna go in order a ziz Ojulari. I think that 32 00:01:38,440 --> 00:01:41,280 Speaker 1: he is the best defensive end coming out of the 33 00:01:41,360 --> 00:01:44,479 Speaker 1: draft right now outside linebacker, if you want to say, 34 00:01:44,520 --> 00:01:48,280 Speaker 1: based upon scheme fit, but I think number one obviously. 35 00:01:48,280 --> 00:01:51,040 Speaker 1: When you lead the SEC and tackles for a lost 36 00:01:51,080 --> 00:01:53,960 Speaker 1: sex and force fumbles and you are going up against 37 00:01:54,040 --> 00:01:57,120 Speaker 1: competitive offensive tackles that are gonna be drafted and are 38 00:01:57,120 --> 00:01:59,520 Speaker 1: gonna be playing in the NFL, it says a lot 39 00:01:59,560 --> 00:02:01,400 Speaker 1: about your make up in the speed that you bring 40 00:02:01,440 --> 00:02:04,040 Speaker 1: to that game. Dave, I don't interrupt you, I apologize, 41 00:02:04,080 --> 00:02:06,120 Speaker 1: but all I see on tape from him is that 42 00:02:06,320 --> 00:02:09,800 Speaker 1: swipe that rip and that shoulder dead man all day 43 00:02:09,840 --> 00:02:12,840 Speaker 1: long getting around that edge. And that's exactly where I 44 00:02:12,919 --> 00:02:15,440 Speaker 1: was going to his first step and get off. Remind 45 00:02:15,480 --> 00:02:18,480 Speaker 1: me of that ability to jump and get off on 46 00:02:18,520 --> 00:02:21,680 Speaker 1: the snap and get that first step. He's already on 47 00:02:21,760 --> 00:02:25,040 Speaker 1: the shoulders of offensive tackles, and he has the ability 48 00:02:25,080 --> 00:02:28,680 Speaker 1: with his flexibility and his lateral movement to really dip 49 00:02:28,720 --> 00:02:31,040 Speaker 1: and bend that edge and to get number one, a 50 00:02:31,120 --> 00:02:34,880 Speaker 1: small surface area for the offensive tackled hit. But two, 51 00:02:35,160 --> 00:02:37,320 Speaker 1: we all know that when you're able to bend that 52 00:02:37,440 --> 00:02:40,360 Speaker 1: edge and what we see in drills, run that hoop 53 00:02:40,400 --> 00:02:43,359 Speaker 1: and not lose any momentum. If you don't punch him 54 00:02:43,440 --> 00:02:45,960 Speaker 1: right as an offensive tackle and you don't punch him 55 00:02:45,960 --> 00:02:50,080 Speaker 1: down into the ground, you're actually redirecting and building momentum 56 00:02:50,320 --> 00:02:53,200 Speaker 1: for him into the quarterback. He does a great job 57 00:02:53,240 --> 00:02:56,320 Speaker 1: of using that speed, but the problem is you don't 58 00:02:56,320 --> 00:02:59,359 Speaker 1: see him like other players bouncing around and overrunder that 59 00:02:59,680 --> 00:03:02,360 Speaker 1: he levels off, he starts to press back into the 60 00:03:02,440 --> 00:03:06,359 Speaker 1: offensive tackles great length to get the separation he was 61 00:03:06,560 --> 00:03:08,080 Speaker 1: as I said, he doesn't give up a lot of 62 00:03:08,120 --> 00:03:12,200 Speaker 1: surface area to offensive tackles. Violent with his physical hands 63 00:03:12,200 --> 00:03:15,680 Speaker 1: and punching and running pass versatility. Because of his size, 64 00:03:16,000 --> 00:03:18,799 Speaker 1: you can move him around the defensive line on opposite 65 00:03:18,800 --> 00:03:22,000 Speaker 1: sides and as you said, that swipe the wax on 66 00:03:22,080 --> 00:03:25,040 Speaker 1: wax off move. That's something that you've seen him being 67 00:03:25,080 --> 00:03:27,440 Speaker 1: able to do by being able to time up the 68 00:03:27,440 --> 00:03:30,040 Speaker 1: offensive tackles hands and that's something that you have to 69 00:03:30,040 --> 00:03:32,440 Speaker 1: do to excel at the next level in the NFL. 70 00:03:32,800 --> 00:03:35,200 Speaker 1: The one area where I think he has so much 71 00:03:35,240 --> 00:03:37,760 Speaker 1: speed that he relies on it too much that he 72 00:03:37,840 --> 00:03:40,440 Speaker 1: does have to get that secondary pass rush move and 73 00:03:40,440 --> 00:03:43,240 Speaker 1: he can start working more that speed because he gets 74 00:03:43,280 --> 00:03:45,880 Speaker 1: offensive tackles so far back and on your heels and 75 00:03:45,920 --> 00:03:49,000 Speaker 1: start converting it into power and then flatten out like 76 00:03:49,040 --> 00:03:51,200 Speaker 1: I said, when he does that, if he can flatten 77 00:03:51,240 --> 00:03:53,840 Speaker 1: out the pressures and the amount of movement that he's 78 00:03:53,840 --> 00:03:55,680 Speaker 1: gonna get in the pocket for the quarterback to get 79 00:03:55,680 --> 00:03:58,080 Speaker 1: off in the spot is something that I think intrigues 80 00:03:58,200 --> 00:04:01,160 Speaker 1: all NFL defensive line code. Just as we sit here 81 00:04:01,160 --> 00:04:05,080 Speaker 1: and watch Jalen Phillips. I think he's a smooth pass 82 00:04:05,200 --> 00:04:09,040 Speaker 1: rusher with obviously tremendous upside. He can bend, run the 83 00:04:09,080 --> 00:04:12,240 Speaker 1: hoop on the edge, great hand usage. You see the 84 00:04:12,280 --> 00:04:15,240 Speaker 1: swipe or the arm over. He'll dip and swim because 85 00:04:15,240 --> 00:04:17,320 Speaker 1: he's six five and has the size to do it. 86 00:04:17,680 --> 00:04:20,640 Speaker 1: He's a player that does convert speed to power. He 87 00:04:20,720 --> 00:04:23,279 Speaker 1: can stack and shot at the point of attack. His 88 00:04:23,400 --> 00:04:26,640 Speaker 1: backside pursuit is a plus plus. You see him run 89 00:04:26,640 --> 00:04:28,800 Speaker 1: plays down and that's one reason why he has the 90 00:04:28,800 --> 00:04:32,040 Speaker 1: fifteen and a half tackles for a loss in. His 91 00:04:32,160 --> 00:04:35,599 Speaker 1: motor is constantly going and not many players can run 92 00:04:35,600 --> 00:04:37,960 Speaker 1: it down on the back side. That's one area where 93 00:04:37,960 --> 00:04:40,080 Speaker 1: a lot of people have asked me, when who is 94 00:04:40,080 --> 00:04:43,680 Speaker 1: the toughest player I played up against DeMarcus Ware any 95 00:04:43,720 --> 00:04:45,640 Speaker 1: other team that we face walking up to the line 96 00:04:45,640 --> 00:04:48,280 Speaker 1: of scrimmage, Okay, who's the mic? Who's the mic? Whenever 97 00:04:48,320 --> 00:04:51,599 Speaker 1: we played the Dallas Cowboys and DeMarcus Ware, Okay, where's 98 00:04:51,720 --> 00:04:54,320 Speaker 1: ninety four? Because he can't have a tight end on him, 99 00:04:54,440 --> 00:04:56,480 Speaker 1: you can't have a running back on him, and you 100 00:04:56,520 --> 00:04:58,760 Speaker 1: can't leave him unblocked on the back side because they'll 101 00:04:58,839 --> 00:05:01,680 Speaker 1: run it down. Jane and Phillips brings that to his game. 102 00:05:01,960 --> 00:05:04,320 Speaker 1: He's got to play with more consistent leverage because he 103 00:05:04,440 --> 00:05:06,919 Speaker 1: is six five, He's gotta play with his pads lower 104 00:05:07,279 --> 00:05:09,640 Speaker 1: he's got to set up his secondary pass rush move 105 00:05:09,720 --> 00:05:12,719 Speaker 1: more and work to the inside. That's something that he 106 00:05:12,760 --> 00:05:14,960 Speaker 1: can do much better in this game. It's not only 107 00:05:15,000 --> 00:05:17,880 Speaker 1: just arm over. He can start working spin moves. He 108 00:05:17,880 --> 00:05:20,640 Speaker 1: can start using that link to his advantage and the 109 00:05:20,800 --> 00:05:24,039 Speaker 1: area of Another area of concern for him is the injuries. 110 00:05:24,360 --> 00:05:26,520 Speaker 1: A lot of concussions at U c l A and 111 00:05:26,640 --> 00:05:29,560 Speaker 1: his time at Miami. He's broken his hand, He's had 112 00:05:29,640 --> 00:05:32,320 Speaker 1: risk surgery, he's had hand surgery. And I know as 113 00:05:32,360 --> 00:05:35,159 Speaker 1: an offensive tackle that defense event is putting his hands 114 00:05:35,200 --> 00:05:38,320 Speaker 1: out there. I'm chopping, I'm swatting, I'm looking to grab, 115 00:05:38,400 --> 00:05:40,520 Speaker 1: I'm looking to get him off of my body. And 116 00:05:40,560 --> 00:05:42,640 Speaker 1: that's something that you have to worry about and consider. 117 00:05:43,320 --> 00:05:48,279 Speaker 1: But my favorite that I love watching on film Quitty Pay. 118 00:05:48,480 --> 00:05:52,480 Speaker 1: Quitty Pay is an absolute beast. When you watch him, 119 00:05:52,560 --> 00:05:55,960 Speaker 1: he is a ass kicking leverage machine because of his size, 120 00:05:56,320 --> 00:05:59,920 Speaker 1: his power. You see those elbows always in tight shoot 121 00:06:00,080 --> 00:06:03,600 Speaker 1: them inside. He's explosive out of his stance. He is 122 00:06:03,680 --> 00:06:06,640 Speaker 1: great with quick twitch and lateral movement. You see him 123 00:06:06,680 --> 00:06:09,080 Speaker 1: able to be able to either penetrate and jump a 124 00:06:09,080 --> 00:06:11,680 Speaker 1: gap or read a play to the backside and being 125 00:06:11,680 --> 00:06:14,039 Speaker 1: able to force it to the other way. Plays with 126 00:06:14,080 --> 00:06:17,680 Speaker 1: a lot of natural leverage body and hand placement and control. 127 00:06:17,960 --> 00:06:20,720 Speaker 1: You always see him placing his hands where he can 128 00:06:20,720 --> 00:06:24,159 Speaker 1: control and offensive tackle and really work that edge and 129 00:06:24,200 --> 00:06:27,440 Speaker 1: not expose of his body because he is a smaller guy. 130 00:06:27,960 --> 00:06:31,320 Speaker 1: Once again, with all defense vents diversity in his pass 131 00:06:31,400 --> 00:06:34,359 Speaker 1: rushing moves kind of countering things. You know when he 132 00:06:34,400 --> 00:06:36,560 Speaker 1: gets bobbed down and he goes for that power move 133 00:06:36,800 --> 00:06:39,800 Speaker 1: and initially gets stopped, he almost gets bogged down, and 134 00:06:39,960 --> 00:06:42,320 Speaker 1: it's like wasted movement. He's got to come up with 135 00:06:42,480 --> 00:06:45,560 Speaker 1: that secondary movement to contend to add pressure. And he 136 00:06:45,720 --> 00:06:49,720 Speaker 1: struggled versus his own read instead of anticipating. There's a 137 00:06:49,720 --> 00:06:52,560 Speaker 1: lot of hesitation and allowed some balls either to jump 138 00:06:52,640 --> 00:06:55,200 Speaker 1: outside or to bounce to the inside gap for nextra 139 00:06:55,279 --> 00:06:58,320 Speaker 1: two three yards. But I love his makeup, I love 140 00:06:58,360 --> 00:07:00,560 Speaker 1: what he brings to the game and his half auticism, 141 00:07:00,960 --> 00:07:02,880 Speaker 1: and I think he's gonna be one of those key 142 00:07:02,920 --> 00:07:06,080 Speaker 1: players later in the rounds where I'm thinking, like maybe 143 00:07:06,200 --> 00:07:08,880 Speaker 1: third round, where I think that there's a player that 144 00:07:08,920 --> 00:07:11,840 Speaker 1: can be had there that not only fits a four three, 145 00:07:11,840 --> 00:07:14,920 Speaker 1: but fits a three four. Rashad Weaver out of pit 146 00:07:15,480 --> 00:07:19,000 Speaker 1: I absolutely love him. Plays heavy handed, powerful at the 147 00:07:19,040 --> 00:07:22,360 Speaker 1: point of attack, plays with balance. His feet are always 148 00:07:22,440 --> 00:07:24,720 Speaker 1: underneath him, so he's not off. You don't get him 149 00:07:24,840 --> 00:07:27,480 Speaker 1: knocked off on double teams. He's able to sit anchor 150 00:07:27,520 --> 00:07:31,480 Speaker 1: and get a knee down. Huge strength, size and length 151 00:07:31,800 --> 00:07:34,400 Speaker 1: so that he's not only at six four two sixty 152 00:07:34,400 --> 00:07:37,000 Speaker 1: where he's playing defensive end. You can move him into 153 00:07:37,040 --> 00:07:40,200 Speaker 1: the three technique. You can find ways to create mismatches 154 00:07:40,200 --> 00:07:42,120 Speaker 1: for him to where he can get that pressure on 155 00:07:42,160 --> 00:07:46,160 Speaker 1: the quarterback. It's gotta play with more consistent leverage and 156 00:07:46,280 --> 00:07:49,560 Speaker 1: jumped inside when he should contain. Sometimes he'll see a 157 00:07:49,600 --> 00:07:51,800 Speaker 1: gap and he wants to get excited and make a play. 158 00:07:52,120 --> 00:07:54,400 Speaker 1: He'll go to jump inside and the ball gets bounced 159 00:07:54,440 --> 00:07:58,200 Speaker 1: outside instead of maintaining gap control. That's something that comes 160 00:07:58,240 --> 00:08:01,400 Speaker 1: with more experience and just understanding of what his role 161 00:08:01,480 --> 00:08:04,440 Speaker 1: is and not trying to do too much in the defense. Dave, 162 00:08:04,520 --> 00:08:07,000 Speaker 1: two guys I want to ask you about. Jason Oway 163 00:08:07,080 --> 00:08:10,280 Speaker 1: is an interesting player because he tested just off from 164 00:08:10,360 --> 00:08:12,680 Speaker 1: charts at his pro day. Like for a guy that's 165 00:08:12,680 --> 00:08:14,840 Speaker 1: two and just sixty pounds around of sub four four 166 00:08:14,960 --> 00:08:17,400 Speaker 1: is just not You can't even think about how ridiculous, 167 00:08:17,440 --> 00:08:21,320 Speaker 1: that is. But he had zero sacks last which is 168 00:08:21,400 --> 00:08:24,000 Speaker 1: just an amazing number. How when you look at a 169 00:08:24,000 --> 00:08:25,680 Speaker 1: guy like that. When I watched him, I thought he 170 00:08:25,720 --> 00:08:27,200 Speaker 1: was just trying to win off the edge all day. 171 00:08:27,200 --> 00:08:29,280 Speaker 1: He really didn't have any moves per se, which makes sense. 172 00:08:29,280 --> 00:08:31,600 Speaker 1: He didn't start playing football till he i think his 173 00:08:31,680 --> 00:08:33,800 Speaker 1: junior year in high school. He was a basketball player. 174 00:08:34,160 --> 00:08:35,959 Speaker 1: So just your thoughts that a guy like oh wait, 175 00:08:36,000 --> 00:08:38,640 Speaker 1: when you look at him, how much of a project 176 00:08:38,840 --> 00:08:40,719 Speaker 1: is he? And when would be a good time to 177 00:08:40,800 --> 00:08:43,080 Speaker 1: roll the dice? And a guy like that, see, I 178 00:08:43,120 --> 00:08:46,720 Speaker 1: know a lot of people get so infatuated with the speed, 179 00:08:46,840 --> 00:08:50,880 Speaker 1: the size, the strength, six five seven four three seven 180 00:08:50,920 --> 00:08:54,000 Speaker 1: forty thirty nine and a half inch vert one reps 181 00:08:54,000 --> 00:09:00,760 Speaker 1: of absolutely explosive first step, disruptive free cathlete, tremendous length 182 00:09:00,800 --> 00:09:02,880 Speaker 1: at the point of attack. You know, he has a 183 00:09:02,960 --> 00:09:06,200 Speaker 1: swipe move, he'll swipe hands, he'll chop and rip through. 184 00:09:07,120 --> 00:09:11,080 Speaker 1: I'm sure that you love my demonstration. He'll chop and 185 00:09:11,160 --> 00:09:14,320 Speaker 1: rip through, has inside the hand outside moves. He'll do 186 00:09:14,320 --> 00:09:16,800 Speaker 1: a good job of setting up an offensive tackle thinking 187 00:09:16,840 --> 00:09:20,280 Speaker 1: he's gonna work wide and jump inside. But as you said, 188 00:09:20,440 --> 00:09:24,320 Speaker 1: eight career starts in college and speed the power is 189 00:09:24,320 --> 00:09:26,319 Speaker 1: something that we have not seen him do in college 190 00:09:26,559 --> 00:09:29,000 Speaker 1: to be able to convert that, which is such an 191 00:09:29,000 --> 00:09:32,040 Speaker 1: added benefit for you if you are speed rusher, because 192 00:09:32,080 --> 00:09:34,760 Speaker 1: then you have an offensive tackle worried. Okay, he can 193 00:09:34,800 --> 00:09:36,760 Speaker 1: beat me on the edge, but he also beat me 194 00:09:36,840 --> 00:09:39,360 Speaker 1: with power as well. I think that right now, with 195 00:09:39,480 --> 00:09:43,040 Speaker 1: as intriguing as it is, he's not a polished product. 196 00:09:43,120 --> 00:09:45,360 Speaker 1: And if you're really looking to get a player like 197 00:09:45,440 --> 00:09:48,240 Speaker 1: him and give him the tremendous upside, it's gonna take 198 00:09:48,280 --> 00:09:51,320 Speaker 1: techniques and fundamentals and coaching, and it's gonna take some 199 00:09:51,440 --> 00:09:54,040 Speaker 1: pitch pitch count here. It's not like he's gonna be 200 00:09:54,080 --> 00:09:56,719 Speaker 1: an every down defensive end for you. It's got to 201 00:09:56,760 --> 00:09:59,679 Speaker 1: be make sure that it's situational, whether it's a third 202 00:09:59,760 --> 00:10:01,960 Speaker 1: day on, whether it's a two minute drill. Those are 203 00:10:02,040 --> 00:10:03,920 Speaker 1: great things to have on your team and have your 204 00:10:03,920 --> 00:10:06,400 Speaker 1: defensive bend, but not in the first round if you're 205 00:10:06,400 --> 00:10:08,880 Speaker 1: going to reach and grab him right away immediately. Now 206 00:10:08,880 --> 00:10:11,160 Speaker 1: he's another guy is Gregory Rousseau. He does not have 207 00:10:11,200 --> 00:10:13,600 Speaker 1: a ton of starts. He opted out in twenty, but 208 00:10:13,600 --> 00:10:15,880 Speaker 1: he had fifteen and a half sacks as a sophomore. 209 00:10:16,080 --> 00:10:18,439 Speaker 1: Here was another guy that did not play defensive endtil 210 00:10:18,440 --> 00:10:20,840 Speaker 1: he got to college. He was a wide receiver who 211 00:10:20,840 --> 00:10:23,319 Speaker 1: had like six five and two sixty pounds. I mean, 212 00:10:23,360 --> 00:10:26,760 Speaker 1: just my goodness, gracious, and a lot of people. David 213 00:10:26,760 --> 00:10:30,600 Speaker 1: said they remind him physically of JPP coming out with 214 00:10:30,640 --> 00:10:33,079 Speaker 1: his long arms. But if you look at his testing, 215 00:10:33,160 --> 00:10:35,520 Speaker 1: but more importantly look at his tape, I don't see 216 00:10:35,559 --> 00:10:39,400 Speaker 1: the same athletic burst that we saw with JPP. Is 217 00:10:39,400 --> 00:10:42,120 Speaker 1: I got had to block him in practice. Your thoughts 218 00:10:42,160 --> 00:10:45,640 Speaker 1: on that comparison and on Rousseau generally, Yeah, because he's 219 00:10:45,679 --> 00:10:49,679 Speaker 1: he's a long striker, He's not as explosive as JPP was. 220 00:10:50,040 --> 00:10:52,400 Speaker 1: You know, he's got great length to keep separation. He's 221 00:10:52,400 --> 00:10:55,120 Speaker 1: got room to grow. He's two sixty six, he's got 222 00:10:55,120 --> 00:10:57,680 Speaker 1: that six six frame. He still has eight weight that 223 00:10:57,720 --> 00:11:00,440 Speaker 1: he can add on to it. He's got active ends. 224 00:11:00,480 --> 00:11:02,760 Speaker 1: And where he was most effective in his college game 225 00:11:03,040 --> 00:11:05,240 Speaker 1: where when they were running stuts, where he was running 226 00:11:05,240 --> 00:11:09,319 Speaker 1: t ease et s scraping off a blitzing linebackers. Uh, 227 00:11:09,360 --> 00:11:11,360 Speaker 1: he was able to cover tight ends down the seaman 228 00:11:11,440 --> 00:11:14,160 Speaker 1: running back and wheel routes. But that wasn't his specialty. 229 00:11:14,200 --> 00:11:16,080 Speaker 1: Obviously that was something that was added on to it. 230 00:11:16,480 --> 00:11:19,080 Speaker 1: But for me, I'm not sold on him because he 231 00:11:19,120 --> 00:11:23,160 Speaker 1: doesn't consistently rush with leverage and bend on the outside. 232 00:11:23,480 --> 00:11:26,560 Speaker 1: Sometimes get those shoulders up, exposes his body and his 233 00:11:26,679 --> 00:11:29,600 Speaker 1: numbers and gets controlled with that a first initial snatch 234 00:11:29,880 --> 00:11:33,760 Speaker 1: by an offensive tackle, his base, base and lengths led, 235 00:11:33,880 --> 00:11:37,360 Speaker 1: strength to anchor and balance once he gets through a 236 00:11:37,400 --> 00:11:39,360 Speaker 1: hole or when he's trying to get through to another 237 00:11:39,440 --> 00:11:42,640 Speaker 1: part while working inside moves. Sometimes he doesn't keep his 238 00:11:42,679 --> 00:11:44,719 Speaker 1: base and his feet get too closed and while I 239 00:11:44,800 --> 00:11:47,679 Speaker 1: was an offensive tackle, even though they're beat, to restart 240 00:11:47,720 --> 00:11:50,079 Speaker 1: and redirect his rush because he doesn't have his feet 241 00:11:50,360 --> 00:11:53,720 Speaker 1: underneath him. Once again, one year starter, I I this 242 00:11:53,800 --> 00:11:56,000 Speaker 1: is a player, as he said, as he hasn't played 243 00:11:56,000 --> 00:11:58,080 Speaker 1: a lot of football. He went into Miami, he sat 244 00:11:58,120 --> 00:12:01,400 Speaker 1: out this year. I honestly leave what's sitting with those 245 00:12:01,400 --> 00:12:04,400 Speaker 1: players that have somewhat of that same grade, whether it's 246 00:12:04,640 --> 00:12:09,400 Speaker 1: first second round grades. I honestly think Carlos, Carlos Basham, 247 00:12:09,400 --> 00:12:12,000 Speaker 1: and Joe try On would be better. And I'm more 248 00:12:12,000 --> 00:12:14,199 Speaker 1: of a fit to fit the NFL game than we're 249 00:12:14,280 --> 00:12:16,280 Speaker 1: so would Okay, so you just mentioned it a couple 250 00:12:16,280 --> 00:12:18,000 Speaker 1: of second round options for the Giants if you know 251 00:12:18,120 --> 00:12:19,600 Speaker 1: to go into full detail all of them. But who 252 00:12:19,600 --> 00:12:21,520 Speaker 1: are some of the names of guys at the Giants 253 00:12:21,880 --> 00:12:24,480 Speaker 1: don't go edge at eleven because to your point, not 254 00:12:24,520 --> 00:12:27,199 Speaker 1: sure the value of those top three guys match at eleven, 255 00:12:27,320 --> 00:12:29,640 Speaker 1: right if they want to wait until the second round. 256 00:12:30,120 --> 00:12:31,959 Speaker 1: Who are the guys that you would keep an eye 257 00:12:32,040 --> 00:12:34,240 Speaker 1: on if you're a Giant fan. And do you agree with, 258 00:12:34,240 --> 00:12:36,160 Speaker 1: by the way, that maybe eleven would be too rich 259 00:12:36,440 --> 00:12:38,480 Speaker 1: for the guys at the top of this class. I 260 00:12:38,480 --> 00:12:40,559 Speaker 1: I do. I think eleven is a little too rich 261 00:12:40,640 --> 00:12:42,720 Speaker 1: for the guys right now in the class. I think 262 00:12:42,720 --> 00:12:45,120 Speaker 1: that this is something where you can get value in 263 00:12:45,160 --> 00:12:48,080 Speaker 1: the second round and even possibly in the third round 264 00:12:48,120 --> 00:12:51,280 Speaker 1: based upon this is an area whether it is depth 265 00:12:51,360 --> 00:12:54,520 Speaker 1: at the edge position, where it's completely different when we're 266 00:12:54,520 --> 00:12:57,280 Speaker 1: talking about nose tackles and defensive tackles. So I do 267 00:12:57,360 --> 00:12:59,040 Speaker 1: think you can wait and for me, like I said, 268 00:12:59,400 --> 00:13:02,199 Speaker 1: I love car those bash amount of wake Forest his film. 269 00:13:02,640 --> 00:13:05,160 Speaker 1: I have him at his second third round grade very 270 00:13:05,200 --> 00:13:08,200 Speaker 1: athletic for a size six three two seventy four. He's 271 00:13:08,200 --> 00:13:10,720 Speaker 1: another player ran a four eight six but he looks 272 00:13:10,800 --> 00:13:13,960 Speaker 1: faster on film than four eight six. Understands how to 273 00:13:14,040 --> 00:13:16,720 Speaker 1: use space and to create leverage. That's something that he 274 00:13:16,760 --> 00:13:19,160 Speaker 1: does very well. He knows how to get an offensive 275 00:13:19,200 --> 00:13:21,480 Speaker 1: tackle why, he knows how to get him inside, and 276 00:13:21,520 --> 00:13:24,320 Speaker 1: he's very slippery with his past Ors moves in order 277 00:13:24,400 --> 00:13:27,840 Speaker 1: to do it. He works the edge works inside good hands, 278 00:13:27,840 --> 00:13:29,960 Speaker 1: but not great hands. That's an area where he needs 279 00:13:29,960 --> 00:13:32,400 Speaker 1: to improve. Needs to be able to shock more and 280 00:13:32,440 --> 00:13:35,200 Speaker 1: be able to stun offensive tackles to get their feet 281 00:13:35,240 --> 00:13:38,280 Speaker 1: to stop, to work that secondary move. And he may 282 00:13:38,320 --> 00:13:41,400 Speaker 1: not be as fluid as you know Away or any 283 00:13:41,400 --> 00:13:44,479 Speaker 1: of these other guys, but man, he has some creativity 284 00:13:44,480 --> 00:13:47,240 Speaker 1: and can really get after the pastors. So I think 285 00:13:47,240 --> 00:13:49,400 Speaker 1: that in the second or third round he may be 286 00:13:49,440 --> 00:13:51,960 Speaker 1: one of those players that can be sneaky good for 287 00:13:52,000 --> 00:13:55,160 Speaker 1: the New York Giants organization. Folks, Remember he might have 288 00:13:55,160 --> 00:13:57,840 Speaker 1: played offensive tackle, but he spent his whole career studying 289 00:13:58,240 --> 00:14:00,720 Speaker 1: edge rushers and had to beat him. 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Hey, Giant fans, get a 297 00:14:20,320 --> 00:14:22,640 Speaker 1: New York Giants checking account from Investors Bank with the 298 00:14:22,640 --> 00:14:25,080 Speaker 1: Giants braying the debit card, security features and discounts of 299 00:14:25,120 --> 00:14:27,120 Speaker 1: the Giants online shop. You canna run up the two 300 00:14:27,680 --> 00:14:29,920 Speaker 1: bucks when you open an account and Investors Bank dot 301 00:14:29,920 --> 00:14:32,520 Speaker 1: com s last Giants member F, D, I, C, and Dave. 302 00:14:32,560 --> 00:14:34,280 Speaker 1: Today we're gonna take a look at the guys in 303 00:14:34,320 --> 00:14:37,400 Speaker 1: the middle of your defense, those off ball inside linebackers 304 00:14:37,440 --> 00:14:41,680 Speaker 1: and those big old defensive tackles. The Giants losing Dalvin 305 00:14:41,720 --> 00:14:44,480 Speaker 1: thomas An in free agency, so maybe they might look 306 00:14:44,480 --> 00:14:47,400 Speaker 1: to get a replacement there at some point. But Dave, 307 00:14:47,480 --> 00:14:50,760 Speaker 1: for the guys that play inside on these defensive line 308 00:14:50,840 --> 00:14:54,080 Speaker 1: it's not the deepest class. Who are the guys that 309 00:14:54,160 --> 00:14:56,600 Speaker 1: you like that are gonna be those run stuffers. Let's 310 00:14:56,600 --> 00:14:59,600 Speaker 1: start with that group first. You gotta do as you said, 311 00:14:59,640 --> 00:15:02,320 Speaker 1: this is at the deepest class for defensive tackles and 312 00:15:02,440 --> 00:15:05,480 Speaker 1: interior nose tackles. But there are a few good players 313 00:15:05,520 --> 00:15:07,680 Speaker 1: that are gonna be out there. Problem is that they're 314 00:15:07,680 --> 00:15:09,360 Speaker 1: gonna be the first one is gone, and it's gonna 315 00:15:09,400 --> 00:15:12,160 Speaker 1: be a rush to get these guys if they are available. 316 00:15:12,480 --> 00:15:15,440 Speaker 1: Let's start at the nose tackle position. Allen McNeil out 317 00:15:15,440 --> 00:15:17,880 Speaker 1: of NC State. You know, some people have a third 318 00:15:17,960 --> 00:15:21,120 Speaker 1: round grade on him. Powerful hands and strength the reset 319 00:15:21,120 --> 00:15:24,280 Speaker 1: at the line of scrimmage, very strong and explosive out 320 00:15:24,280 --> 00:15:26,760 Speaker 1: of his stance to dictate the tempo at the line 321 00:15:26,760 --> 00:15:29,080 Speaker 1: of scrimmage. But the problem that I see out of 322 00:15:29,120 --> 00:15:32,000 Speaker 1: him is his length to shed when hands are not active, 323 00:15:32,160 --> 00:15:34,000 Speaker 1: when he doesn't use his hands, and when he doesn't 324 00:15:34,000 --> 00:15:36,360 Speaker 1: get good hand leverage, he doesn't have to strength to 325 00:15:36,440 --> 00:15:39,960 Speaker 1: blow through a blocker and to create separation. And he 326 00:15:40,000 --> 00:15:43,080 Speaker 1: has a problem of recognizing down blocks and double teams. 327 00:15:43,280 --> 00:15:45,640 Speaker 1: That's something at the nose tackle position that you better 328 00:15:45,680 --> 00:15:47,720 Speaker 1: be able to understand because that's all you're gonna get 329 00:15:47,760 --> 00:15:50,560 Speaker 1: in the NFL game. For me, I think the real 330 00:15:51,480 --> 00:15:55,400 Speaker 1: defensive tackle, if you're looking at three technique, obviously it's 331 00:15:55,440 --> 00:16:01,040 Speaker 1: Christian Baramore out of Alabama. Powerful hands, strength to move, plays, violent, strong, 332 00:16:01,600 --> 00:16:04,360 Speaker 1: absolutely disruptive not only in the run game but in 333 00:16:04,360 --> 00:16:07,960 Speaker 1: the passing game. He's another one double hands swipe, double 334 00:16:08,000 --> 00:16:10,800 Speaker 1: hand swipe to the side. He'll club as he's get 335 00:16:10,840 --> 00:16:13,520 Speaker 1: your body weight going one way. You know. The one 336 00:16:13,560 --> 00:16:17,600 Speaker 1: thing that I worry about his inconsistent get off. Sometimes 337 00:16:17,600 --> 00:16:20,120 Speaker 1: he guesses at the line of scrimmage. He has some 338 00:16:20,120 --> 00:16:23,120 Speaker 1: some off side penalties. That's something that you can't allow 339 00:16:23,160 --> 00:16:25,520 Speaker 1: to happen on when you're sitting there looking at the 340 00:16:25,560 --> 00:16:29,320 Speaker 1: football in your stance. And the other thing conditioning. We 341 00:16:29,360 --> 00:16:31,000 Speaker 1: all know when it comes to a big player and 342 00:16:31,000 --> 00:16:34,120 Speaker 1: you're over three hundred pounds. When his conditioning later in 343 00:16:34,200 --> 00:16:37,920 Speaker 1: games was down, he led to inconsistent pad levels, gave 344 00:16:37,960 --> 00:16:40,160 Speaker 1: his up numbers, started to give up movement at the 345 00:16:40,160 --> 00:16:42,760 Speaker 1: line of scrimmage. But I think that he is probably 346 00:16:43,240 --> 00:16:46,640 Speaker 1: the best defensive tackle I think coming into this draft. 347 00:16:47,160 --> 00:16:50,080 Speaker 1: Davian Nixon out of Iowa. He is another player that 348 00:16:50,120 --> 00:16:53,760 Speaker 1: I think that can really excel at this level at 349 00:16:54,040 --> 00:16:57,160 Speaker 1: at tats it with leverage, holds up double teams and 350 00:16:57,160 --> 00:17:00,800 Speaker 1: can do gap plays with natural leverage. You know four 351 00:17:00,920 --> 00:17:04,679 Speaker 1: eight sixty one point seven zero tenure split. So we 352 00:17:04,760 --> 00:17:07,360 Speaker 1: know that he can get off and really split those 353 00:17:07,359 --> 00:17:10,439 Speaker 1: gamps and split double teams. But my problem is is 354 00:17:11,280 --> 00:17:14,280 Speaker 1: vision through the offensive line to the running back. Sometimes 355 00:17:14,280 --> 00:17:16,480 Speaker 1: he waits too long at the line of scrimmage to 356 00:17:16,640 --> 00:17:19,400 Speaker 1: shed and to make pursuit to get to the running back. 357 00:17:19,760 --> 00:17:23,000 Speaker 1: And one other area you can't low found the back side, 358 00:17:23,119 --> 00:17:25,760 Speaker 1: my man. You've got to play every play through because 359 00:17:25,800 --> 00:17:28,439 Speaker 1: sometimes if you're loping as the three technique on the 360 00:17:28,440 --> 00:17:31,359 Speaker 1: back side and you're not playing with that backside pursue, 361 00:17:31,680 --> 00:17:33,760 Speaker 1: all it is is one cut up angle and that 362 00:17:33,880 --> 00:17:35,359 Speaker 1: run that should have been stopped at the line of 363 00:17:35,400 --> 00:17:38,320 Speaker 1: scrimmage is now getting to the second level. That's an 364 00:17:38,359 --> 00:17:40,600 Speaker 1: area that he definitely needs to improve it as well. 365 00:17:40,960 --> 00:17:43,040 Speaker 1: By the way, folks, they've shown the notebook again for 366 00:17:43,080 --> 00:17:44,840 Speaker 1: the folks that think Dave is reading off some kind 367 00:17:44,840 --> 00:17:47,360 Speaker 1: of draft guide or something like that as an Internet notes, 368 00:17:47,400 --> 00:17:49,480 Speaker 1: And no, no, no, no, no, Dave watches these guys. 369 00:17:49,480 --> 00:17:51,280 Speaker 1: Those are his own notes based on what he's seen 370 00:17:51,280 --> 00:17:54,199 Speaker 1: on tape, who've tried to block these defensive linemen his 371 00:17:54,280 --> 00:17:56,840 Speaker 1: whole career. All right, let's go inside linebacker, David and 372 00:17:56,880 --> 00:18:01,680 Speaker 1: the consensus number one player in this class is Michael Parsons, who, 373 00:18:02,200 --> 00:18:06,080 Speaker 1: with good reason, good reason, tested off the charts. I 374 00:18:06,080 --> 00:18:08,320 Speaker 1: don't think his first and second down role is endowed 375 00:18:08,359 --> 00:18:11,639 Speaker 1: at all sidelines the sideline, takes on blocks, shoots gaps, 376 00:18:11,880 --> 00:18:14,680 Speaker 1: hits the whole, not afraid of shedding blocks, does all 377 00:18:14,720 --> 00:18:16,800 Speaker 1: those things. So before we get to what he's gonna 378 00:18:16,840 --> 00:18:19,840 Speaker 1: do on third down, just talk about his elite play 379 00:18:19,880 --> 00:18:22,640 Speaker 1: on those in those early down situations. Yeah, I mean, 380 00:18:22,720 --> 00:18:25,480 Speaker 1: he plays with a tremendous amount of football i Q 381 00:18:26,080 --> 00:18:28,840 Speaker 1: and vision and he's able to diagnose things free snap. 382 00:18:29,080 --> 00:18:30,760 Speaker 1: That's something that you have to be able to do 383 00:18:31,119 --> 00:18:34,040 Speaker 1: right away at the linebacker position. And it's not only him. 384 00:18:34,320 --> 00:18:36,920 Speaker 1: You see him communicating to the rest of the defense 385 00:18:37,200 --> 00:18:40,679 Speaker 1: based upon that pre snap recognition and getting everybody on 386 00:18:40,720 --> 00:18:43,520 Speaker 1: the same page. I think we've seen great linebackers like 387 00:18:43,600 --> 00:18:46,359 Speaker 1: Luke Kickley do that in the NFL and excel and 388 00:18:46,400 --> 00:18:49,480 Speaker 1: how it makes everybody better around you. That's something that 389 00:18:49,520 --> 00:18:51,520 Speaker 1: he brings to his game. You know. Some of the 390 00:18:51,560 --> 00:18:54,280 Speaker 1: areas that he does need to improve on is making 391 00:18:54,320 --> 00:18:57,439 Speaker 1: sure that he's more physical taking on blocks. Sometimes he 392 00:18:57,520 --> 00:18:59,760 Speaker 1: works around him and he gives up space and it 393 00:18:59,800 --> 00:19:02,399 Speaker 1: gives up an extra gap. And the other thing we 394 00:19:02,480 --> 00:19:04,439 Speaker 1: all know with the linebackers, when you're coming to the 395 00:19:04,520 --> 00:19:07,240 Speaker 1: NFL level, you've got to do better job of taking 396 00:19:07,280 --> 00:19:10,440 Speaker 1: coverage angles in pursuit angles when you're working in coverage. 397 00:19:10,480 --> 00:19:13,320 Speaker 1: But we know that when you play linebacker, especially in 398 00:19:13,359 --> 00:19:18,000 Speaker 1: today's game, you'd better be a three down linebacker. Yeah, David, 399 00:19:18,080 --> 00:19:19,959 Speaker 1: is funny. You mentioned that he was a defensive end 400 00:19:19,960 --> 00:19:22,760 Speaker 1: in high school, so he didn't play linebacker a lot. 401 00:19:22,800 --> 00:19:25,040 Speaker 1: And as you well know, to your point, that's the 402 00:19:25,119 --> 00:19:27,480 Speaker 1: last thing that kind of comes along for linebackers doing 403 00:19:27,480 --> 00:19:29,800 Speaker 1: those right being in those right passing lanes when you 404 00:19:29,920 --> 00:19:32,080 Speaker 1: drop into zone, making those reads and all that stuff 405 00:19:32,359 --> 00:19:35,959 Speaker 1: that usually comes last. But the good thing for Parsons 406 00:19:36,600 --> 00:19:39,919 Speaker 1: is that he's so good at going after the quarterback. 407 00:19:40,280 --> 00:19:43,000 Speaker 1: You might not even want him covering on throw down anyway. 408 00:19:43,040 --> 00:19:44,760 Speaker 1: You're just gonna use him like the Bucks used Devin 409 00:19:44,800 --> 00:19:47,560 Speaker 1: White and say, dude, go get the quarterback, whether it's 410 00:19:47,680 --> 00:19:50,560 Speaker 1: blitzed inside or even coming off the edge. Yeah, I mean, 411 00:19:50,600 --> 00:19:52,639 Speaker 1: that's one of the great things. We've seen him ripping 412 00:19:52,640 --> 00:19:55,040 Speaker 1: off of the edge and two point stances. We've seen 413 00:19:55,119 --> 00:19:57,440 Speaker 1: him being able to blitz down the middle or letting 414 00:19:57,480 --> 00:20:00,920 Speaker 1: the inside stunt whether it's a t or et work, 415 00:20:01,160 --> 00:20:05,040 Speaker 1: and then split through him again. He has an absolute 416 00:20:05,080 --> 00:20:08,520 Speaker 1: athleticism to get all of those things done. And that's 417 00:20:08,560 --> 00:20:11,800 Speaker 1: one area where you talk about the fluidity of him 418 00:20:12,080 --> 00:20:15,000 Speaker 1: and still having to possess some of those coverage skills. 419 00:20:15,560 --> 00:20:18,840 Speaker 1: He's an unbelievable worker. Everybody talks about his traits and 420 00:20:18,880 --> 00:20:21,000 Speaker 1: the way that he approaches the game, so you know 421 00:20:21,080 --> 00:20:23,200 Speaker 1: that this is an area that he will continue to improve. 422 00:20:23,560 --> 00:20:25,640 Speaker 1: And that versatility of whether you just want to put 423 00:20:25,680 --> 00:20:27,679 Speaker 1: him at the line of scrimmage and say go and 424 00:20:27,760 --> 00:20:30,200 Speaker 1: use him as a spy and force running back to 425 00:20:30,240 --> 00:20:32,160 Speaker 1: try to take him on or to drop him back 426 00:20:32,200 --> 00:20:35,640 Speaker 1: in coverage. Those are weapons that every defensive coordinator would 427 00:20:35,640 --> 00:20:37,240 Speaker 1: love to have on their side of the ball. And 428 00:20:37,280 --> 00:20:40,160 Speaker 1: at six four two h pounds, is not some small 429 00:20:40,240 --> 00:20:42,680 Speaker 1: two hundred twenty five pound linebacker either. This guy is 430 00:20:43,080 --> 00:20:45,560 Speaker 1: a man amongst boys at the college level playing linebacker, 431 00:20:45,640 --> 00:20:48,360 Speaker 1: so really good player, and he would sit right right 432 00:20:48,359 --> 00:20:50,479 Speaker 1: next to Blake Martinez extremely well. By the way, then 433 00:20:50,480 --> 00:20:54,040 Speaker 1: he would take over for Blake once Blake obviously end 434 00:20:54,119 --> 00:20:56,480 Speaker 1: his career, whether he moves on or retires or whatever. 435 00:20:57,080 --> 00:20:58,720 Speaker 1: Um if they don't want to go Parsons in the 436 00:20:58,760 --> 00:21:00,600 Speaker 1: first round, who, by the way, I think, would certainly 437 00:21:00,640 --> 00:21:02,439 Speaker 1: be in the mix of number eleven, if even if 438 00:21:02,480 --> 00:21:03,840 Speaker 1: if he even gets there, he could be the top 439 00:21:03,880 --> 00:21:05,760 Speaker 1: defensive player in this draft. They could be the first 440 00:21:05,760 --> 00:21:09,520 Speaker 1: guy off the board on defense. But if you want 441 00:21:09,520 --> 00:21:11,600 Speaker 1: to wait a bit later, who do you like from 442 00:21:11,640 --> 00:21:15,080 Speaker 1: this next group of inside linebackers and off ball guys. 443 00:21:15,440 --> 00:21:18,359 Speaker 1: You have Zavin Collins from Tulsa who I think is 444 00:21:18,400 --> 00:21:21,840 Speaker 1: pretty good. Jeremiah Whosto Karamala. Is he a linebacker though 445 00:21:21,880 --> 00:21:26,280 Speaker 1: maybe he's a strong safety. That's the thing that you 446 00:21:26,359 --> 00:21:30,879 Speaker 1: worry about because with him obviously explosive athlete, has the 447 00:21:31,040 --> 00:21:35,000 Speaker 1: ranged instincts, all the pre snap diagnosis hits with power 448 00:21:35,359 --> 00:21:39,040 Speaker 1: he'll take he'll run through offensive players, causes forced fumbles, 449 00:21:39,440 --> 00:21:42,119 Speaker 1: you put him on a special teams He's an absolute 450 00:21:42,200 --> 00:21:44,840 Speaker 1: missile out there. You saw making place for Notre Dame 451 00:21:44,880 --> 00:21:47,880 Speaker 1: all over the field. One question with that two eleven 452 00:21:48,160 --> 00:21:51,960 Speaker 1: or two one size finishing tackles, that's one area. Taking 453 00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:54,840 Speaker 1: big down backs was one area struggled. And will he 454 00:21:54,920 --> 00:21:57,359 Speaker 1: be able to take on blockers on the interior. I 455 00:21:57,400 --> 00:21:59,680 Speaker 1: know for myself, whether you're running a four three or 456 00:21:59,800 --> 00:22:02,240 Speaker 1: three four and you're getting that bubble and you have 457 00:22:02,320 --> 00:22:05,440 Speaker 1: the gap between the center and the tackle and it's uncovered. 458 00:22:05,800 --> 00:22:07,480 Speaker 1: These are the guys that you want to attack to 459 00:22:07,520 --> 00:22:09,720 Speaker 1: see if they can hold up for four plus quarters. 460 00:22:09,960 --> 00:22:11,800 Speaker 1: So it is a question is he a tween or 461 00:22:11,880 --> 00:22:14,600 Speaker 1: is he a safety? Is he a linebacker? How are 462 00:22:14,600 --> 00:22:17,359 Speaker 1: you gonna try to utilize him? And then for me, 463 00:22:17,520 --> 00:22:21,000 Speaker 1: like you said Davin Collins out of Tulsa, this reminds 464 00:22:21,040 --> 00:22:26,440 Speaker 1: me of Dante high Tower. Completely huge body, six four 465 00:22:26,560 --> 00:22:30,560 Speaker 1: two fifty nine four six five, long arm, physical and 466 00:22:30,680 --> 00:22:33,040 Speaker 1: has the potential to be great because of his size, 467 00:22:33,320 --> 00:22:35,760 Speaker 1: his weight, his speed. He can get off of the 468 00:22:35,880 --> 00:22:37,320 Speaker 1: edge if he if you put him in a four 469 00:22:37,480 --> 00:22:39,960 Speaker 1: three and he can play that weak side, or you 470 00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:42,919 Speaker 1: can have s scheme versatility. We have him as an 471 00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:46,080 Speaker 1: inside three four linebacker because of his size and being 472 00:22:46,119 --> 00:22:48,080 Speaker 1: able to hold up. That's the way the New England 473 00:22:48,080 --> 00:22:50,760 Speaker 1: Patriots us Dante hot Tower. And I'll tell you what 474 00:22:50,880 --> 00:22:52,879 Speaker 1: after those games, each and every one of us that 475 00:22:52,960 --> 00:22:55,439 Speaker 1: had one on once had headaches walking away from it 476 00:22:55,480 --> 00:22:57,679 Speaker 1: because of the thump that he would bring. That's what 477 00:22:57,720 --> 00:23:00,240 Speaker 1: type of player he is as well. One area where 478 00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:03,080 Speaker 1: he needs to improve takes the cheese too much. In 479 00:23:03,119 --> 00:23:06,960 Speaker 1: play action. You see him get anticipation and excited trying 480 00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:09,399 Speaker 1: to make a play, takes two false steps up and 481 00:23:09,400 --> 00:23:11,080 Speaker 1: now all of a sudden they're able to get over 482 00:23:11,119 --> 00:23:12,919 Speaker 1: the top with the tight end or a wheel route. 483 00:23:13,080 --> 00:23:15,240 Speaker 1: That's an area where he needs to improve. And he 484 00:23:15,280 --> 00:23:17,520 Speaker 1: has an area of breaking down in the open field 485 00:23:17,520 --> 00:23:20,800 Speaker 1: and having some mistackles. He's gotta make sure he gets 486 00:23:20,800 --> 00:23:23,120 Speaker 1: his feet underneath them instead of just trying to use 487 00:23:23,160 --> 00:23:26,160 Speaker 1: his athleticism and size in order to take people down. 488 00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:29,480 Speaker 1: And then you have guys like Jim and Davis Bolton 489 00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:32,080 Speaker 1: Um some other guys that people do like in the 490 00:23:32,119 --> 00:23:34,399 Speaker 1: second orth a round, maybe jabbro Cox the transfer to 491 00:23:34,560 --> 00:23:37,040 Speaker 1: l s U, anyone else in that group, Dave, whichever 492 00:23:37,080 --> 00:23:38,560 Speaker 1: one of the guys you like the best that you 493 00:23:38,600 --> 00:23:41,120 Speaker 1: think could really fit what the giants do? What group? 494 00:23:41,160 --> 00:23:43,720 Speaker 1: What of that group do you like? You know, Jasmine 495 00:23:43,760 --> 00:23:47,399 Speaker 1: Davis out of out of Kentucky is an intriguing prospect. 496 00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:51,520 Speaker 1: You know, great block block recognition, shoots gaps. He doesn't 497 00:23:51,520 --> 00:23:53,639 Speaker 1: have those false steps like I was just talking about 498 00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:56,640 Speaker 1: with David Collins. He has his feed underneath them, can 499 00:23:56,680 --> 00:24:00,480 Speaker 1: close run sideline to sideline. You know, once again, isn't 500 00:24:00,560 --> 00:24:03,399 Speaker 1: a guy that I see maybe second third round type 501 00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:05,919 Speaker 1: of talent. Some people have him in the first, but 502 00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:08,480 Speaker 1: the reason why I don't have him in you see 503 00:24:08,560 --> 00:24:12,040 Speaker 1: him more of his own coverage linebacker compared to being 504 00:24:12,080 --> 00:24:15,440 Speaker 1: a man linebacker. He struggled sometimes when he's in man 505 00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:17,600 Speaker 1: one on one up against tight ends and running bets. 506 00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:19,600 Speaker 1: And he's only a one year starter, so he's not 507 00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:23,679 Speaker 1: as polished as some of these other linebackers. Dave, excellent, 508 00:24:23,800 --> 00:24:26,440 Speaker 1: run now, my friend. We appreciate the time as always. 509 00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:29,040 Speaker 1: Thank you, Johnny. Don't miss it on your chance to 510 00:24:29,080 --> 00:24:32,200 Speaker 1: experience a premiere hospitality experience watching giant games and world 511 00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:36,000 Speaker 1: class concerts in one as a Giant Sweet partner. Limited 512 00:24:36,040 --> 00:24:38,520 Speaker 1: full season locations are available or places of depositive for 513 00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:43,199 Speaker 1: individual games called e n Y or visit Giants dot 514 00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:48,560 Speaker 1: com slash suits for more information. Draft is almost upon us, 515 00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:51,160 Speaker 1: joined by Sean O'Hara. I am John Schmelt. Today we'll 516 00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:53,639 Speaker 1: take a look at the defensive backs, some of the 517 00:24:53,680 --> 00:24:56,560 Speaker 1: faster guys to operate in space on the defense and Sean. 518 00:24:57,000 --> 00:24:59,440 Speaker 1: The good news for the Giants here, especially after the 519 00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:02,280 Speaker 1: signing of a Dory Jackson in free agency. What a 520 00:25:02,280 --> 00:25:04,280 Speaker 1: lot of people thought was a big need that second 521 00:25:04,280 --> 00:25:07,199 Speaker 1: outside cornerback. With all the safeties on the roster, the 522 00:25:07,280 --> 00:25:10,879 Speaker 1: Giants aren't pretty decent shape at defensive back though, you 523 00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:12,359 Speaker 1: know how it goes with injuries, you gonna have too 524 00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:15,040 Speaker 1: many of those guys. Yeah, no doubt about it. You've 525 00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:17,560 Speaker 1: gotta have some depth. But I think it's been a 526 00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:21,720 Speaker 1: remarkable turnaround, John, because a year ago we were talking about, boy, 527 00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:24,720 Speaker 1: this defense needs help. Um. You know, the Giants had 528 00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:26,520 Speaker 1: one of the worst defense in the NFL. Couldn't get 529 00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:29,320 Speaker 1: off the field on third down, giving up big play 530 00:25:29,359 --> 00:25:32,520 Speaker 1: after big play UM, and couldn't get after the quarterback. 531 00:25:32,560 --> 00:25:34,640 Speaker 1: And yet when you look at the way the Giants 532 00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:37,120 Speaker 1: defense played in the second half of the season last year, 533 00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:41,320 Speaker 1: without a doubt, the secondary was the strong strongest point 534 00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:45,120 Speaker 1: of that. Obviously Leonard Williams uh did a great job 535 00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:48,560 Speaker 1: get after a quarterback. But man, this the secondary with 536 00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:52,480 Speaker 1: James Bradbury, that addition with the Logan Ryan signing UM 537 00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:57,000 Speaker 1: during training camp really soplidified this secondary, and I thought 538 00:25:57,119 --> 00:25:59,840 Speaker 1: just gave them all kinds of versatility. So right now, 539 00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:03,720 Speaker 1: sitting pretty with the Door Jackson signing, because you had 540 00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:07,200 Speaker 1: your your starting corners on the outside. Um, I think 541 00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:10,199 Speaker 1: darny Holmes really did a nice job. I mean, for 542 00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:12,879 Speaker 1: a fourth round pick, John, you never know if they 543 00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:15,439 Speaker 1: could come in and contribute right away. Um, and he 544 00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:19,080 Speaker 1: certainly did that. I think. You know. The other pleasant 545 00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:22,400 Speaker 1: surprise too was Xavier McKinney. You know, unfortunately he got 546 00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:24,720 Speaker 1: hurt in training camp last year, missed the first half 547 00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:27,520 Speaker 1: of the season. But man, when he showed up on 548 00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:30,280 Speaker 1: the field, he started making playoff the play and every 549 00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:34,159 Speaker 1: single week you could see his growth both as a 550 00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:37,280 Speaker 1: player and with the rep count, with how many snaps 551 00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:40,400 Speaker 1: he was getting. So I think the Giants are really 552 00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:43,560 Speaker 1: sitting pretty right now. Um. That being said, there are 553 00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:47,399 Speaker 1: some good corners and some some stud safeties in this draft. 554 00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:50,679 Speaker 1: So if there's a run on offensive players, and you know, 555 00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:53,840 Speaker 1: if you look at at this draft and everybody's mock drafts, 556 00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:58,120 Speaker 1: I mean it's offense, it's quarterback, it's receiver, it's tackles, 557 00:26:58,160 --> 00:27:00,440 Speaker 1: and then you know defense is kindming at for thoughts. 558 00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:03,600 Speaker 1: So they're very well could be some guys sitting there 559 00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:06,159 Speaker 1: for them in the second round. Yeah, and showing the 560 00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:08,880 Speaker 1: first cornerback off the board could be the first defensive 561 00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:12,760 Speaker 1: player off the board, right, And the general consensus seems 562 00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:15,960 Speaker 1: to be Patrick Certain, J. C. Horne. The top two 563 00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:18,359 Speaker 1: corners in this draft, they could be top fifteen, top 564 00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:20,919 Speaker 1: twenty picks. And Caleb Farley I think was in that 565 00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:23,240 Speaker 1: group too, but now a second back surgery heat and 566 00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:25,160 Speaker 1: a C l or in his college career as well, 567 00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:27,480 Speaker 1: he's probably gonna get pushed down to either and the 568 00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:30,760 Speaker 1: round one or around two, I would think, yeah, And 569 00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:33,480 Speaker 1: I think you could throw a Sante Samuel Jr. Into 570 00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:35,240 Speaker 1: that makes although he's a little bit of a different 571 00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:38,800 Speaker 1: physical specimen than those guys. But you know, look at 572 00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:42,640 Speaker 1: these you know, if you rank those cornerbacks one, two 573 00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:46,080 Speaker 1: and three, Patrick Certain, J. C. Horne, and Asante Samuel Jr. 574 00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:49,160 Speaker 1: Great pedigree. All three of them have dads that played 575 00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:51,600 Speaker 1: in the NFL, so they you know, they've got it 576 00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:54,240 Speaker 1: in their blood. I think what it's gonna come down 577 00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:56,880 Speaker 1: to with those three corners, and and really the top 578 00:27:56,920 --> 00:27:59,600 Speaker 1: two picks with Certain and J. C. Horne, people are 579 00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:02,760 Speaker 1: gonna have to grade and one too. But it's also 580 00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:05,120 Speaker 1: based on what kind of scheme are each of those 581 00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:07,640 Speaker 1: teams running. If you're playing a ton of man coverage, 582 00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:09,920 Speaker 1: you know, what what what kind of covers do you want? 583 00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:12,399 Speaker 1: That corner can play. You want to playing press covers? 584 00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:14,119 Speaker 1: Do you want to play bumper rod? Are you playing 585 00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:17,680 Speaker 1: more zone cover three? That could end up dictating who 586 00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:21,399 Speaker 1: you end up taking. But no doubt, Patrick Curtain is 587 00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:24,880 Speaker 1: the biggest corner of this group. And I think when 588 00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:28,639 Speaker 1: you just look at the length, the arms and and 589 00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:31,879 Speaker 1: his stride, you know, he people compared him to Jalen 590 00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:36,480 Speaker 1: Ramsey from a physical prototype aspect. I think that that's 591 00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:40,000 Speaker 1: very fitting. Um, he's very competitive. I think one of 592 00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:43,000 Speaker 1: the things that you want out of your corner is 593 00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:45,960 Speaker 1: there's no panic in him when the balls in the air, 594 00:28:46,280 --> 00:28:48,920 Speaker 1: and he can. He knows he can keep up with 595 00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:52,640 Speaker 1: the fastest receivers. He did it in college football. He's 596 00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:55,720 Speaker 1: not gonna have an issue with it in the pros um, 597 00:28:55,760 --> 00:28:58,120 Speaker 1: you know, just going stride for stride, he doesn't panic 598 00:28:58,120 --> 00:29:00,920 Speaker 1: when he looks back for the ball. He doesn't grab um. 599 00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:04,520 Speaker 1: He's very smooth from that standpoint, and I think that's 600 00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:06,760 Speaker 1: something that you know, a lot of teams really like 601 00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:10,120 Speaker 1: about him. For J. C. Horne, you know, I think 602 00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:12,600 Speaker 1: some of the similar aspects that he may not be 603 00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:14,920 Speaker 1: as tall and and and as long as certain, but 604 00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:18,800 Speaker 1: no doubt he's just as feisty. Um. You know, I 605 00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:20,959 Speaker 1: think when you look at you know, if you're you're 606 00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:24,120 Speaker 1: a corner of South Carolina, not just in practice, but 607 00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:27,360 Speaker 1: every Saturday, you're going up against some of the fastest 608 00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:30,360 Speaker 1: dudes in all of the football, and I think that 609 00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:32,800 Speaker 1: he more than held his own. So, um, you know, 610 00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:35,880 Speaker 1: for him, that's that's something that you know, I think 611 00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:37,960 Speaker 1: he's not gonna be scared of at all, the speed 612 00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:40,000 Speaker 1: of the game and certainly getting the next level, He's 613 00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:42,120 Speaker 1: not going to be intimidated at all. And you talked 614 00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:45,080 Speaker 1: about scheme fitch on very quickly. Based on your scatting 615 00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:47,880 Speaker 1: report and what I've watched as well, certain seems the 616 00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:53,000 Speaker 1: perfect fit for that outside cornerback play, the sideline cover three, 617 00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:56,640 Speaker 1: the physical long bumpet, the line of scrimmage if you want. 618 00:29:56,960 --> 00:30:00,320 Speaker 1: While J. C. Horne he was the press man master, 619 00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:02,520 Speaker 1: you know, maybe he was a little grabby downfield sometimes, 620 00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:05,400 Speaker 1: but how many corners do you think would be able 621 00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:09,240 Speaker 1: to guard Kyle Pitts a six six two pound tight 622 00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:12,360 Speaker 1: end and then another game guard Elijah More a five 623 00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:15,800 Speaker 1: eight five nine five pounds slot guy that's running all 624 00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:18,320 Speaker 1: over the place. So is that how you see their 625 00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:20,719 Speaker 1: two general roles and how you would best utilize them 626 00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:24,240 Speaker 1: in the pros as well. Yeah, definitely, you know the 627 00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:27,040 Speaker 1: versatility of J. C. Horne. Um, you know that that 628 00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:30,320 Speaker 1: definitely provides different aspects. So you know, you go to 629 00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:32,040 Speaker 1: the scheme that you're going to and then you also 630 00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:33,760 Speaker 1: go to, all right, what are we gonna ask this 631 00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:36,520 Speaker 1: kid to do when he comes in? Is he is 632 00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:39,400 Speaker 1: he coming in and immediately you're our starter or are 633 00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:41,440 Speaker 1: we drafting in the first round and we're gonna work 634 00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:43,800 Speaker 1: your way in? Because if you are, then you've got 635 00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:45,880 Speaker 1: to have that versatility and if you're not going to 636 00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:48,000 Speaker 1: be the starting corner week one, you've got to be 637 00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:49,840 Speaker 1: able to come in and cover the slot and you've 638 00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:51,960 Speaker 1: got to be able to move around and and kind 639 00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:54,560 Speaker 1: of find your niche. So um, you know, I think 640 00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:57,640 Speaker 1: that that's that's something that JA C. Horne would welcome 641 00:30:57,680 --> 00:31:00,760 Speaker 1: because I think he's that kind of competitor. Um. You know, 642 00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:02,880 Speaker 1: I think to throw one other name in the hat, 643 00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:06,560 Speaker 1: you're John. I think one guy that has got to 644 00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:09,520 Speaker 1: be kind of intriguing for a lot of people is 645 00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:13,480 Speaker 1: Eric Stokes, the corner out of Georgia running a four 646 00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:17,080 Speaker 1: to nine forty. That kind of blazing speed just definitely 647 00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:21,320 Speaker 1: piques people's interests. And I think you know, who knows 648 00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:23,640 Speaker 1: where he ends up going, you know, draft wise, but 649 00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:26,240 Speaker 1: if for some reason, you know, he doesn't get drafted 650 00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:28,160 Speaker 1: in the first round, he's sitting there at the second 651 00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:30,520 Speaker 1: round and you've got a corner with that kind of 652 00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:33,760 Speaker 1: recovery speed, that kind of acceleration. This kid was a 653 00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:37,400 Speaker 1: track star, um, you know, in in high school and 654 00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:41,880 Speaker 1: in a sprinter, so he's got that great speed. He's 655 00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:43,600 Speaker 1: a guy that I think some people could really be 656 00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:46,600 Speaker 1: intrigued with. Yeah, and Joe Judge has those Georgia connections 657 00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:48,880 Speaker 1: with Kirby Smart, having been with him in Alabama. I 658 00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:50,840 Speaker 1: want to go back to Sante Samuel as you mentioned 659 00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:53,560 Speaker 1: him as part of the first answer. Sean, It's funny 660 00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:57,239 Speaker 1: you look at his measurables. He's like five five and say, oh, 661 00:31:57,280 --> 00:31:59,520 Speaker 1: that guy is a slot receiver, a slot cornerback. Right 662 00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:02,040 Speaker 1: then you watch him on tape. He looks just like 663 00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:04,960 Speaker 1: his dad. It might be a cliche, Hey, the dude 664 00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:07,960 Speaker 1: plays exactly the same way he plays off the Bates quarterbacks. 665 00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:11,760 Speaker 1: He drives on the ball, he gets interceptions. It's almost 666 00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:14,120 Speaker 1: like they didn't have a child. They just cloned the 667 00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:16,240 Speaker 1: father and they just let him grow and he's the 668 00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:20,160 Speaker 1: same guy. It's amazing. Yeah, those those corners are dangerous, 669 00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:23,480 Speaker 1: you know, because you can't always predict exactly how they're 670 00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:27,240 Speaker 1: gonna play different routes. And you know, look, even hearing 671 00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:31,160 Speaker 1: that name, it brings me back to offensive installed meetings 672 00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:35,000 Speaker 1: with Kevin Gilbride and we're playing Asante Samuel and he's like, 673 00:32:35,080 --> 00:32:37,720 Speaker 1: don't even look in his direction. We're not even gonna 674 00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:40,160 Speaker 1: throw the ball over there, because you just like he 675 00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:43,200 Speaker 1: was too dangerous of a corner because even though maybe 676 00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:46,760 Speaker 1: he's supposed to be playing this zone defense, he's reading 677 00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:48,520 Speaker 1: the eyes of the quarterback and he just is add 678 00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:52,200 Speaker 1: living and he'll undercut another receiver and take the ball 679 00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:54,240 Speaker 1: to the house and you're like, what the heck was that? 680 00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:57,400 Speaker 1: You know, he was not playing the right defense from 681 00:32:57,400 --> 00:33:00,880 Speaker 1: a textbook standpoint. So I think definitely got a little 682 00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:03,200 Speaker 1: of that in him. And you know that that type 683 00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:07,080 Speaker 1: of aggressiveness and willingness to take risk, it can it 684 00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:10,000 Speaker 1: can pay off a lot luckily, as Sante did drop 685 00:33:10,040 --> 00:33:13,120 Speaker 1: a particular pass back in January of two thousand eight, 686 00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:18,040 Speaker 1: which were that We're all happy about yes, safety Sean. 687 00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:20,520 Speaker 1: If the Giants are said at cornerback, they're certainly said 688 00:33:20,520 --> 00:33:23,640 Speaker 1: it's safety. Zavian McKinney's second round pick. Last year. They 689 00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:25,960 Speaker 1: signed Logan Ryan to a contract extension the end of 690 00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:28,520 Speaker 1: the season, Dubra Peppers on the fifth year of his 691 00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:32,040 Speaker 1: rookie contract. They have a lot of depth there, and 692 00:33:32,120 --> 00:33:33,680 Speaker 1: you know, the safety is a position where you're not 693 00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:35,560 Speaker 1: going to see many guys in the first round. But 694 00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:40,000 Speaker 1: one guy that could go this year is Treyvon Merrick. Yeah. Trevon, 695 00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:42,400 Speaker 1: you know, has really done a nice job for himself 696 00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:45,760 Speaker 1: coming out of tc U. I think when you look 697 00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:50,240 Speaker 1: at not just his ball skills and his ability, um, 698 00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:52,440 Speaker 1: you know, he's got great hands, but not not just 699 00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:55,920 Speaker 1: his ability in the passing game, his ability to make 700 00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:58,880 Speaker 1: tackles in space. And these are these are big tackles. 701 00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:02,040 Speaker 1: These aren't shoe string ankle biting tackles. I'm just thankful 702 00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:04,800 Speaker 1: a guy tripped and went down and he's literally running 703 00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:07,520 Speaker 1: through guys. Um. You know, he reminds me a little 704 00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:10,000 Speaker 1: bit of Tyron Matthew the way that he covers so 705 00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:14,759 Speaker 1: much ground. So I think that he's absolutely the kind 706 00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:16,640 Speaker 1: of guy that that any defense would love to have 707 00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:20,080 Speaker 1: back there playing center field. Um. I mentioned he has 708 00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:22,680 Speaker 1: some pretty good hands. He's got some nice interceptions on 709 00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:26,319 Speaker 1: his highlight reel. Um, he does a darn good job 710 00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:30,839 Speaker 1: of of reading the quarterback and kind of anticipating where 711 00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:34,640 Speaker 1: he's going with the football. For the Giants, this this 712 00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:39,000 Speaker 1: could be uh an interesting pick up if they happen 713 00:34:39,080 --> 00:34:40,919 Speaker 1: to find themselves in a position to get a guy 714 00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:43,920 Speaker 1: like this. And you mentioned the roster where the Giants 715 00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:47,960 Speaker 1: are at drafting Xavier McKinney last year in the second round. Um, 716 00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:49,840 Speaker 1: you know, he could play all over the field and 717 00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:51,640 Speaker 1: you could move from around he's so versa. All. They 718 00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:55,560 Speaker 1: locked up Logan Ryan with the contract extension this offseason. 719 00:34:56,480 --> 00:34:59,480 Speaker 1: Jabrill Peppers is the one guy that's kind of like, 720 00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:01,319 Speaker 1: all right, you know, what are the Giant's gonna do 721 00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:03,959 Speaker 1: with him? Um, he's gonna need a new contract soon. 722 00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:06,520 Speaker 1: And I think if you end up getting a guy 723 00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:10,279 Speaker 1: like Trey Von word right now, you kind of give 724 00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:14,160 Speaker 1: yourself that installation, you know, if if something doesn't work 725 00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:17,719 Speaker 1: out financially with Bill Peppers, but um, you'd certainly you 726 00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:20,840 Speaker 1: know a guy like that, man. I mean, maybe you 727 00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:23,120 Speaker 1: don't even put a corner out there to start off. 728 00:35:23,160 --> 00:35:25,719 Speaker 1: If you if you get him and you compare him 729 00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:29,239 Speaker 1: with those three safeties, I find a question not necessarily 730 00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:31,080 Speaker 1: draft related, but I think this is one of the 731 00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:35,120 Speaker 1: underrated defensive questions of the off season that a few 732 00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:38,080 Speaker 1: people are talking about. When Patrick Graham got here shown 733 00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:39,919 Speaker 1: we all thought that he was going to bring that 734 00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:44,840 Speaker 1: Patriots style Bill Belichick pressman blitz type of defense that 735 00:35:44,920 --> 00:35:47,320 Speaker 1: you see in Miami, that Matt Patricia tried to execute 736 00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:50,160 Speaker 1: in Detroit and failed, and that Belichick is always used 737 00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:53,400 Speaker 1: in New England. But Patrick Caham got here, saw the 738 00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:55,880 Speaker 1: town on the roster, you didn't really have that second cornerback, 739 00:35:56,280 --> 00:36:00,000 Speaker 1: and he transformed maybe overnight's the wrong word, but roative 740 00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:03,080 Speaker 1: real quickly into one of the zone heavier schemes in 741 00:36:03,080 --> 00:36:06,120 Speaker 1: the National Football League. So I think that the magic 742 00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:09,720 Speaker 1: question for me, especially given you know, these three safeties 743 00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:12,239 Speaker 1: we mentioned to are all pretty good zone defenders, but 744 00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:15,000 Speaker 1: now you have that extra cornerback. Do you think Patrick 745 00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:17,120 Speaker 1: Graham is going to go back to his roots and 746 00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:19,080 Speaker 1: go to a more man heavy scheme this year? Is 747 00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:22,239 Speaker 1: gonna stick with what worked so well last year with 748 00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:25,560 Speaker 1: Logan Ryan's ability to disguise zones and things of that nature. 749 00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:28,800 Speaker 1: How do you think Graham's approach to his past defense 750 00:36:29,120 --> 00:36:31,799 Speaker 1: will change based on how the talent on on his 751 00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:35,880 Speaker 1: roster in his secondary has changed. Well, I think changes 752 00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:39,080 Speaker 1: is inevitable in the NFL, and I think we we 753 00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:42,520 Speaker 1: saw that firsthand, you know, watching this Giants events changed 754 00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:44,720 Speaker 1: from the first four weeks of the season to the last. 755 00:36:45,560 --> 00:36:49,560 Speaker 1: I think we saw a lot more zone coverage from 756 00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:52,600 Speaker 1: the secondary because the Giants did did a good job 757 00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:55,399 Speaker 1: stopping the run. And I think when when you could 758 00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:58,760 Speaker 1: stop the run with your front seven, now it opens 759 00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:01,000 Speaker 1: up things on the back in and now you can 760 00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:04,120 Speaker 1: play with your safety is a little bit deeper and rotating, 761 00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:05,719 Speaker 1: you can kind of play that game a little bit. 762 00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:09,080 Speaker 1: So that was definitely something that that helped Patrick Braham 763 00:37:09,080 --> 00:37:12,399 Speaker 1: out with with what he was wanting and able to do. 764 00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:16,920 Speaker 1: I also think Blake Martinez really solidified just the mental 765 00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:19,560 Speaker 1: side of that defense, getting everybody on the same page, 766 00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:22,080 Speaker 1: making sure everybody was lined up. I mean, Blake was 767 00:37:22,560 --> 00:37:24,800 Speaker 1: you know, it wasn't just a tackling machine for the Giants. 768 00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:26,600 Speaker 1: I thought he really did a nice job of making 769 00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:29,800 Speaker 1: sure everybody was in the right spot. Um, Logan Ryan 770 00:37:30,160 --> 00:37:33,879 Speaker 1: kind of became that extra voice in the secondary. And 771 00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:36,680 Speaker 1: I thought the addition of Logan Ryan really opened up 772 00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:40,440 Speaker 1: things for Jabril Peppers to really blossom. And now Logan 773 00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:44,080 Speaker 1: could could do a great job of sliding back and 774 00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:46,200 Speaker 1: coverage or taking the other side of the field and 775 00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:50,759 Speaker 1: letting Jabril Peppers play more downhill. Um, that versatility really 776 00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:54,160 Speaker 1: showed up. I would be I would be shocked if 777 00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:57,880 Speaker 1: if we saw a drastic change. But I will say this, 778 00:37:58,840 --> 00:38:03,200 Speaker 1: Dorry Jackson loves to play man coverage. So you've got 779 00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:07,080 Speaker 1: Dory Jackson and James Bradberry on both sides, and neither 780 00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:08,759 Speaker 1: one of them are scared to go against the number 781 00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:11,680 Speaker 1: one reciever. Neither one of them are scared of the 782 00:38:11,719 --> 00:38:15,480 Speaker 1: Mandam matchup. Um. I think it just it gives you 783 00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:19,200 Speaker 1: another option, and it gives you a much more aggressive option. UM. 784 00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:23,399 Speaker 1: You know, obviously, any different coordinator will tell you that 785 00:38:23,680 --> 00:38:25,920 Speaker 1: they love to blitz, they love to bring pressure. But 786 00:38:26,040 --> 00:38:29,000 Speaker 1: if they can get pressure with they're front for and 787 00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:30,800 Speaker 1: they can sit back and play coverage, They're gonna do 788 00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:33,840 Speaker 1: that all day long. Sean, always a pleasure, my friend. 789 00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:37,200 Speaker 1: Where drafts coming up very quickly, enjoy the rest of 790 00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:39,040 Speaker 1: your preparation. We'll talk to you down the road, all right, 791 00:38:39,239 --> 00:38:42,800 Speaker 1: Thanks Johnny, appreciate it. That's another preview heading into the Draft, 792 00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:45,960 Speaker 1: which is coming up next week. For David Deal and 793 00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:48,040 Speaker 1: show Ohara, I am John Schmilk. 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