1 00:00:03,720 --> 00:00:07,840 Speaker 1: We've gotten so far away more than our fair chair 2 00:00:08,160 --> 00:00:11,840 Speaker 1: of very special sites, and a great number of those 3 00:00:12,039 --> 00:00:17,920 Speaker 1: have come from Mike kun Uh. He's been He is 4 00:00:18,000 --> 00:00:25,920 Speaker 1: simply the most incredible and should be the most highly 5 00:00:25,920 --> 00:00:31,080 Speaker 1: acclaimed golf developer in the world. And he the products 6 00:00:31,080 --> 00:00:33,559 Speaker 1: that he puts out there and the care that he 7 00:00:33,640 --> 00:00:40,440 Speaker 1: puts into them is just beyond comparison. And but he 8 00:00:40,600 --> 00:00:43,800 Speaker 1: finds these sites, he goes back to that that that 9 00:00:43,920 --> 00:00:48,319 Speaker 1: nucleus of playing golf on sandy firm ground, and in 10 00:00:48,400 --> 00:00:50,960 Speaker 1: Mike's case, at least until Sand Valley, it was always 11 00:00:51,000 --> 00:00:55,920 Speaker 1: about somewhere near the sea. Um he just finds it 12 00:00:56,000 --> 00:00:59,440 Speaker 1: to be. It's a it's a connection to five years 13 00:00:59,440 --> 00:01:02,720 Speaker 1: of golf streets and he he just I think he 14 00:01:02,800 --> 00:01:07,440 Speaker 1: believed in before he started doing these golf developments that 15 00:01:07,440 --> 00:01:12,720 Speaker 1: that was a connection that would resonate with American golfers 16 00:01:12,920 --> 00:01:18,040 Speaker 1: as well as European and other other nationality golfers. And 17 00:01:18,120 --> 00:01:21,080 Speaker 1: he brought it to us. He gave us the opportunity 18 00:01:21,120 --> 00:01:24,880 Speaker 1: to experience it, and he was right. I mean, it's 19 00:01:24,880 --> 00:01:28,120 Speaker 1: a it's a It may be the oldest form of 20 00:01:28,200 --> 00:01:30,880 Speaker 1: golf in the world, but I think it's still the 21 00:01:30,920 --> 00:01:44,040 Speaker 1: most appreciated. Got another log on the fire here give 22 00:01:44,080 --> 00:01:53,280 Speaker 1: the time. Welcome to the fire pit with Mattinella. This 23 00:01:53,440 --> 00:01:56,520 Speaker 1: is a bit of a new form of a fire 24 00:01:56,600 --> 00:02:01,600 Speaker 1: pit podcast, um, which we're we're thrown to get thrown 25 00:02:01,640 --> 00:02:07,720 Speaker 1: together pretty spontaneously because of the news out of bandoned 26 00:02:07,800 --> 00:02:11,680 Speaker 1: dunes and because of the news out of bandoned dunes, 27 00:02:13,720 --> 00:02:16,919 Speaker 1: that's a that's a thunderbolt, I mean new golf courses 28 00:02:16,960 --> 00:02:19,000 Speaker 1: a bandoned we gotta put the bat signal like it's 29 00:02:19,040 --> 00:02:23,200 Speaker 1: time to go there. That gets our attention quickly. Not 30 00:02:23,240 --> 00:02:26,079 Speaker 1: to mention, I said that it's very rare that bandoned, 31 00:02:26,560 --> 00:02:30,280 Speaker 1: for lack of a better term, trumps its own news. 32 00:02:30,760 --> 00:02:35,160 Speaker 1: But thirteen U S g A championships coming to coming 33 00:02:35,160 --> 00:02:37,760 Speaker 1: to the resort in the next twenty four years. For me, 34 00:02:37,880 --> 00:02:42,760 Speaker 1: it's it's like the hits just keep on coming. And 35 00:02:42,840 --> 00:02:48,120 Speaker 1: all amateur championships for that matter, which given the infrastructure 36 00:02:48,120 --> 00:02:51,440 Speaker 1: in the location, is pretty much all that it can have. 37 00:02:52,600 --> 00:02:58,440 Speaker 1: Um you know I I you know, abandoned dunes golf 38 00:02:58,480 --> 00:03:02,080 Speaker 1: as it was meant to be best pieces of property 39 00:03:02,160 --> 00:03:08,359 Speaker 1: used for golf, Minimalist architects, uh spartan you know, accommodations 40 00:03:08,360 --> 00:03:15,840 Speaker 1: and infrastructure always. You know, Mike Kaiser's you know, grandest 41 00:03:15,919 --> 00:03:18,600 Speaker 1: dream for a place in which he started with one 42 00:03:18,639 --> 00:03:21,720 Speaker 1: course and a little lodging, was the idea of hosting 43 00:03:21,840 --> 00:03:26,160 Speaker 1: a US amateur. I don't think even in his wildest dreams, 44 00:03:26,760 --> 00:03:29,400 Speaker 1: even though it has grown to be what's now widely 45 00:03:29,440 --> 00:03:35,160 Speaker 1: considered dream golf, which includes Sand Valley and and Cabot, 46 00:03:35,720 --> 00:03:39,800 Speaker 1: all that has happened at Cabinot Links and cliffs, this 47 00:03:39,880 --> 00:03:42,680 Speaker 1: is far beyond his wildest dreams. I don't think he 48 00:03:42,680 --> 00:03:47,120 Speaker 1: could have ever imagined having now what what's going to 49 00:03:47,240 --> 00:03:51,720 Speaker 1: be multiple US amateurs, multiple women's amateurs, a Curtis Cup, 50 00:03:51,800 --> 00:03:56,240 Speaker 1: a Walker Cup, Junior amateur championships. You know this, this 51 00:03:56,400 --> 00:04:00,320 Speaker 1: is between the U s g a giving and here's 52 00:04:00,440 --> 00:04:04,360 Speaker 1: multiple US opens and essentially be declaring pioneers as kind 53 00:04:04,400 --> 00:04:07,640 Speaker 1: of the old course of US opens, like the old 54 00:04:07,680 --> 00:04:11,640 Speaker 1: courses to the opens, Bandon is now becoming the home 55 00:04:11,720 --> 00:04:15,800 Speaker 1: and the hub of amateur championships. I mean, as it 56 00:04:15,800 --> 00:04:19,040 Speaker 1: should be. It's really the heartbeat of American golf. And 57 00:04:19,680 --> 00:04:24,600 Speaker 1: there might be individual courses that are meaningful to each 58 00:04:24,640 --> 00:04:27,159 Speaker 1: of us and the golf fans and to the golf world, 59 00:04:27,200 --> 00:04:31,320 Speaker 1: but as a destination for the public golfer. There's nothing 60 00:04:31,360 --> 00:04:35,360 Speaker 1: even close to Bannon Dunes, and it's uh it's such 61 00:04:35,400 --> 00:04:38,920 Speaker 1: a special place to so many of us. And UH 62 00:04:39,279 --> 00:04:41,440 Speaker 1: the U s g A, with its mandate to grow 63 00:04:41,480 --> 00:04:45,120 Speaker 1: the game and their renewed emphasis on the grassroots the game, 64 00:04:45,200 --> 00:04:48,640 Speaker 1: it's just a perfect statement that they're making banned in 65 00:04:48,839 --> 00:04:52,200 Speaker 1: essentially their home base. It's not Oakmont, it's not Wingfoot, 66 00:04:53,000 --> 00:04:57,600 Speaker 1: it's not these very fancy private clubs, and those are 67 00:04:57,600 --> 00:05:00,000 Speaker 1: still nice US open venues every eight or ten years. 68 00:05:00,120 --> 00:05:04,240 Speaker 1: But Bandon and the U s J there's this kid's 69 00:05:04,240 --> 00:05:06,400 Speaker 1: meet like they have the same mission, which is to 70 00:05:07,120 --> 00:05:10,200 Speaker 1: get everyday golfer is excited about golf and to bring 71 00:05:10,200 --> 00:05:14,760 Speaker 1: the championships to these wondrous golf courses, and um, you know, 72 00:05:14,880 --> 00:05:18,640 Speaker 1: I see this at whenever there's a major played at 73 00:05:18,720 --> 00:05:21,400 Speaker 1: a at a public course, whether it's Pebble or it's 74 00:05:21,400 --> 00:05:24,040 Speaker 1: Pioneers Star especially Torry Pinones this year. When you got 75 00:05:24,080 --> 00:05:26,719 Speaker 1: and you walk around, the fans have the sense of 76 00:05:26,720 --> 00:05:30,360 Speaker 1: ownership like, oh, you know, I have might drive right there, 77 00:05:30,839 --> 00:05:33,080 Speaker 1: and uh, I gotta put down for that bunker, And 78 00:05:33,120 --> 00:05:35,960 Speaker 1: there's there's such a connection to what they're watching because 79 00:05:35,960 --> 00:05:39,560 Speaker 1: they played those courses. And so the average golf I 80 00:05:39,680 --> 00:05:42,799 Speaker 1: might not generally watch the Walker Cup for the US Amateur, 81 00:05:42,839 --> 00:05:45,719 Speaker 1: but if it's abandoned, they will because they played those courses, 82 00:05:46,120 --> 00:05:49,279 Speaker 1: They know the shots, they know the decisions that the 83 00:05:49,320 --> 00:05:51,400 Speaker 1: players are facing, and it just makes it so much 84 00:05:51,480 --> 00:05:55,280 Speaker 1: more special. And so uh yeah, it's it's just a 85 00:05:55,320 --> 00:05:57,960 Speaker 1: wonderful statement by the U s g A. And it's 86 00:05:58,000 --> 00:06:01,280 Speaker 1: it's a fantastic recognition of what endon is and that's 87 00:06:01,320 --> 00:06:05,320 Speaker 1: just a great day for golf. Before we get too deep, 88 00:06:05,760 --> 00:06:08,440 Speaker 1: um Starry to interject, Matt, but just you know, for 89 00:06:08,480 --> 00:06:12,359 Speaker 1: somebody who hasn't been to Abandon Dunes, can you guys 90 00:06:12,400 --> 00:06:15,159 Speaker 1: paint to click picture for me what the places like? 91 00:06:15,200 --> 00:06:18,200 Speaker 1: Obviously I've heard so much about it, um, but for 92 00:06:18,240 --> 00:06:19,800 Speaker 1: the people that haven't been, I know, you guys have 93 00:06:19,880 --> 00:06:22,680 Speaker 1: had so many experiences there. Can you can you give 94 00:06:22,680 --> 00:06:26,720 Speaker 1: me an idea? Well, I mean, I mean for me 95 00:06:27,000 --> 00:06:31,719 Speaker 1: it it started in obviously with Bandoned Dunes and then 96 00:06:31,880 --> 00:06:35,440 Speaker 1: David McClay kid, and you know you have a place 97 00:06:35,520 --> 00:06:39,279 Speaker 1: like Whistling Straits where you have four p die golf courses, 98 00:06:39,880 --> 00:06:43,720 Speaker 1: you can have, um, you can have you know, the 99 00:06:44,040 --> 00:06:47,760 Speaker 1: sort of the model is, you know the model was 100 00:06:47,960 --> 00:06:51,320 Speaker 1: at that point. You know, oh, Jack, Nicholas Arnold Palmer, 101 00:06:51,360 --> 00:06:58,440 Speaker 1: Gary Player, Uh, you know Tom uh, Tom Fosio or 102 00:06:58,839 --> 00:07:02,480 Speaker 1: or Rhese Jones, Robert Trent Jones. You know, here comes 103 00:07:02,560 --> 00:07:07,200 Speaker 1: David McClay kidd h really out of nowhere, out of Scotland, 104 00:07:07,200 --> 00:07:12,160 Speaker 1: twenty five years old. He gets plucked out of you know, obscurity, 105 00:07:12,160 --> 00:07:16,440 Speaker 1: out of Macrahannish to Bill Bandon Dunes. Uh. He and 106 00:07:16,480 --> 00:07:20,400 Speaker 1: his dad essentially, uh, you know, sort of put Bandon 107 00:07:20,880 --> 00:07:26,120 Speaker 1: on the map by building Scottish golf in Oregon with 108 00:07:26,200 --> 00:07:29,400 Speaker 1: a limited number of a lodging and then you have 109 00:07:30,120 --> 00:07:32,800 Speaker 1: Tom Dope followed close behind two years later Pacific Dunes, 110 00:07:32,800 --> 00:07:36,600 Speaker 1: Soon Dunes two thousand one, Tom Dope Pacific Dunes two 111 00:07:36,680 --> 00:07:40,000 Speaker 1: thousand five. Banded trails by Bill Core and Ben Crenshaw 112 00:07:40,080 --> 00:07:42,920 Speaker 1: before they were really Bill Core and Ben Crenshaw two 113 00:07:42,920 --> 00:07:48,000 Speaker 1: thousand ten. Old McDonald and homage essentially to Sebe McDonald 114 00:07:48,240 --> 00:07:51,160 Speaker 1: built by Tom Doke and Jim Urbina two thousand twelve. 115 00:07:51,200 --> 00:07:54,560 Speaker 1: Banned in Preserve thirteen Whole Part three course by Core 116 00:07:54,640 --> 00:07:58,520 Speaker 1: and Crenshaw two thousand fourteen, a punch bowl putting course 117 00:07:58,760 --> 00:08:03,360 Speaker 1: so I mean, and then you know two thousand and twenty. Uh, 118 00:08:03,400 --> 00:08:06,000 Speaker 1: you know, sheep Ranch by Core and Crunchhaw. So five 119 00:08:06,160 --> 00:08:10,240 Speaker 1: big courses, multiple short course, little options by a wide 120 00:08:10,320 --> 00:08:14,880 Speaker 1: variety of architects, but all of them have something similar, 121 00:08:14,880 --> 00:08:18,160 Speaker 1: which is they like to do the bare minimum to 122 00:08:18,240 --> 00:08:22,559 Speaker 1: the land in order to extract the maximum in terms 123 00:08:22,560 --> 00:08:26,880 Speaker 1: of an experience. And and so you have this. You know, 124 00:08:27,000 --> 00:08:29,440 Speaker 1: if if you don't like this one, you might like 125 00:08:29,560 --> 00:08:31,080 Speaker 1: this one. And if you don't like this one, you 126 00:08:31,160 --> 00:08:33,000 Speaker 1: might like this one. If you don't like the coast, 127 00:08:33,040 --> 00:08:34,480 Speaker 1: you might like it within the trees. And if you 128 00:08:34,480 --> 00:08:36,080 Speaker 1: don't like in the trees, go ahead and go back 129 00:08:36,080 --> 00:08:38,160 Speaker 1: out on the coast. If you don't like to eighteen 130 00:08:38,200 --> 00:08:40,880 Speaker 1: old courses in one day, you can have eighteen big holes, 131 00:08:41,120 --> 00:08:43,280 Speaker 1: and you can have thirteen short courses, or you can 132 00:08:43,280 --> 00:08:45,480 Speaker 1: just go have a great time at the punch Bowl 133 00:08:45,480 --> 00:08:50,160 Speaker 1: putting course. Then all of it is within a three 134 00:08:50,200 --> 00:08:53,439 Speaker 1: to seven minutes shuttle ride. All of it has, you know, 135 00:08:53,520 --> 00:08:59,199 Speaker 1: multiple clubhouses, multiple dining options, spartan lodging. It is the 136 00:08:59,320 --> 00:09:03,360 Speaker 1: purest form of a golf destination. Uh, you know, not 137 00:09:03,440 --> 00:09:06,520 Speaker 1: just in America, but I think in the world. Well, 138 00:09:06,559 --> 00:09:08,800 Speaker 1: I have to correct you, Matt. No one says I 139 00:09:08,800 --> 00:09:11,400 Speaker 1: don't like this. I like that. They say I love that, 140 00:09:11,440 --> 00:09:14,640 Speaker 1: but I really love that. I mean, it's uh there, 141 00:09:14,679 --> 00:09:19,640 Speaker 1: every course so fun and you and I old McDonald's 142 00:09:19,640 --> 00:09:21,520 Speaker 1: not our favorite course on the property, but I know 143 00:09:21,600 --> 00:09:24,360 Speaker 1: some people it's their number one, and that that's the 144 00:09:24,400 --> 00:09:27,680 Speaker 1: genius of it is even though it's on the same 145 00:09:27,679 --> 00:09:31,120 Speaker 1: piece of property, the courses play very differently, the challenges 146 00:09:31,120 --> 00:09:35,160 Speaker 1: are different, the aesthetics, and so it really is a 147 00:09:35,200 --> 00:09:37,600 Speaker 1: fun debate, and it could be always tiresome because people 148 00:09:37,679 --> 00:09:40,880 Speaker 1: do this endlessly, is ranking your courses. That everyone is 149 00:09:40,920 --> 00:09:44,080 Speaker 1: different and no one's wrong or right. It's just they're 150 00:09:44,600 --> 00:09:49,360 Speaker 1: they're they're so unique despite their close proximity and um 151 00:09:49,640 --> 00:09:51,680 Speaker 1: the cold, there's just there's just a magic to the place, 152 00:09:51,840 --> 00:09:55,040 Speaker 1: like everyone is there for only one reason, and that's 153 00:09:55,040 --> 00:09:56,760 Speaker 1: just to have a great time and to play golf 154 00:09:56,880 --> 00:09:59,560 Speaker 1: and to test yourself against the wind and the elements 155 00:09:59,679 --> 00:10:05,120 Speaker 1: and each other, and against the transfusions and against the 156 00:10:05,200 --> 00:10:07,840 Speaker 1: late night dinners and the dice games. And it's just 157 00:10:08,720 --> 00:10:11,319 Speaker 1: you've never seen so many people having so much fun. 158 00:10:11,720 --> 00:10:13,920 Speaker 1: And even you know, everyone knows I I live pretty 159 00:10:13,920 --> 00:10:15,960 Speaker 1: close to Pebble Beach and it's a special place to me. 160 00:10:16,000 --> 00:10:19,000 Speaker 1: But you know, Pebbles a totally different vibe. And people 161 00:10:19,040 --> 00:10:20,360 Speaker 1: come here and they go to the art galleries and 162 00:10:20,360 --> 00:10:23,000 Speaker 1: they walk on the beach and they might take a 163 00:10:23,040 --> 00:10:25,360 Speaker 1: day trip to San Francisco or Big Sir and all 164 00:10:25,400 --> 00:10:27,960 Speaker 1: that bandoned. You were just there to play golf from 165 00:10:28,000 --> 00:10:29,960 Speaker 1: the time you wake up until you collapse into bed, 166 00:10:30,400 --> 00:10:32,840 Speaker 1: and the only breaks you take are to eat and 167 00:10:32,920 --> 00:10:36,160 Speaker 1: drink and uh and what and may you know other 168 00:10:36,280 --> 00:10:40,000 Speaker 1: rituals of male bonding. But it's um, it's really just 169 00:10:40,240 --> 00:10:43,080 Speaker 1: the purity of the experience. There's only one thing to 170 00:10:43,120 --> 00:10:45,440 Speaker 1: do there. I mean, it's the middle of nowhere, um, 171 00:10:45,679 --> 00:10:47,600 Speaker 1: and it's just to have fun and play golf and 172 00:10:47,600 --> 00:10:50,319 Speaker 1: test yourself on these amazing golf courses and with the 173 00:10:50,400 --> 00:10:53,679 Speaker 1: elements ever changing and uh. And of course there's the 174 00:10:53,679 --> 00:10:55,600 Speaker 1: whole catty culture that adds a lot to it. Their 175 00:10:55,679 --> 00:10:59,160 Speaker 1: characters and and they added experience. And you got on 176 00:10:59,200 --> 00:11:02,000 Speaker 1: the putting course and you're a group of sixteen or 177 00:11:02,000 --> 00:11:04,000 Speaker 1: twenty and then there's there's a bunch of other clusters 178 00:11:04,080 --> 00:11:07,240 Speaker 1: like that that was whooping on, hollering and um, I 179 00:11:07,240 --> 00:11:09,480 Speaker 1: mean the Disneyland is not the happiest place on earth, 180 00:11:09,520 --> 00:11:12,280 Speaker 1: like the parents are all miserable. Abandoned is honestly the 181 00:11:12,280 --> 00:11:14,520 Speaker 1: happiest place on earth. And even if you three put 182 00:11:14,520 --> 00:11:16,560 Speaker 1: the last hole to lose all the bets, it's okay 183 00:11:16,559 --> 00:11:18,360 Speaker 1: because you'll get him tomorrow or the next day or 184 00:11:18,360 --> 00:11:22,240 Speaker 1: the next day. So, uh, there's just uh the court, 185 00:11:22,280 --> 00:11:25,040 Speaker 1: the golf is great, but the camaraderie and the sense 186 00:11:25,240 --> 00:11:29,480 Speaker 1: of fellowship and the fact that it's this pilgrimage to 187 00:11:29,559 --> 00:11:32,520 Speaker 1: get there, and it's even that's a challenge, and uh, 188 00:11:32,559 --> 00:11:35,160 Speaker 1: it just it adds to the whole kind of magical experience, 189 00:11:35,880 --> 00:11:40,880 Speaker 1: and that that pilgrimage is is what creates that like 190 00:11:41,160 --> 00:11:46,480 Speaker 1: minded feeling amongst anybody who's there is everybody has made 191 00:11:46,520 --> 00:11:49,280 Speaker 1: that track. There's a bunch of you know, it almost 192 00:11:49,320 --> 00:11:52,760 Speaker 1: feels like once you're there, you've arrived at your club, 193 00:11:52,920 --> 00:11:56,120 Speaker 1: so to speak, where you're gonna see somebody that Everybody 194 00:11:56,200 --> 00:11:58,079 Speaker 1: is looking at each other like, oh, you made it here. 195 00:11:58,160 --> 00:11:59,920 Speaker 1: I made it here too, you made it here too. 196 00:12:00,000 --> 00:12:01,520 Speaker 1: I've made it here too. I will go to the 197 00:12:01,679 --> 00:12:03,880 Speaker 1: You're in the shuttle and everybody's like, what do you 198 00:12:03,960 --> 00:12:06,840 Speaker 1: like the bell? I like this with the bant you know, 199 00:12:07,040 --> 00:12:08,640 Speaker 1: what are you gonna? Where are you gonna eat tonight? 200 00:12:08,640 --> 00:12:10,680 Speaker 1: What are you playing tomorrow? I just played you coming? 201 00:12:10,760 --> 00:12:13,760 Speaker 1: Are you going? It's it's the conversation, it's it's all 202 00:12:13,800 --> 00:12:16,959 Speaker 1: of that. But then it's the shuttle drivers, it's Shoe, 203 00:12:17,040 --> 00:12:20,520 Speaker 1: the director of outside happiness. It's it's the it's the 204 00:12:20,520 --> 00:12:23,720 Speaker 1: fact that I can still see I've been there twenty 205 00:12:23,760 --> 00:12:27,840 Speaker 1: six times over the course of the last you know years, 206 00:12:27,880 --> 00:12:32,520 Speaker 1: twenty years. I I you still see the same wait 207 00:12:32,679 --> 00:12:35,560 Speaker 1: staff or the same people who are there. You know 208 00:12:35,679 --> 00:12:39,280 Speaker 1: them by name, they know you by name. Um you you. 209 00:12:40,840 --> 00:12:45,000 Speaker 1: It's all about sort of the the experience goes so 210 00:12:45,080 --> 00:12:49,640 Speaker 1: far beyond just like what's happening in the form of golf. 211 00:12:49,960 --> 00:12:53,440 Speaker 1: It's the fire pits, it's the you know, the walks 212 00:12:53,720 --> 00:12:56,040 Speaker 1: you know, back to the room, the cottages down in 213 00:12:56,080 --> 00:12:58,640 Speaker 1: the bunker bar and the hoop. And I mean it's 214 00:12:59,720 --> 00:13:02,080 Speaker 1: the even just to walk to the labyrinth, which I 215 00:13:02,120 --> 00:13:04,520 Speaker 1: tell everybody to go do from time to time. It's 216 00:13:04,840 --> 00:13:07,440 Speaker 1: a special little experience. The dedication or the sort of 217 00:13:07,480 --> 00:13:10,800 Speaker 1: the the hints or of the winks to guys like 218 00:13:10,840 --> 00:13:14,800 Speaker 1: Howard McKee who who or Shorties who used to manage 219 00:13:14,800 --> 00:13:18,679 Speaker 1: the property, Howard McKee, who envisioned how the land would 220 00:13:18,679 --> 00:13:22,000 Speaker 1: be all laid out. All those things are are happening 221 00:13:22,559 --> 00:13:25,120 Speaker 1: um and and it's and it's subtle, and there's the 222 00:13:25,280 --> 00:13:28,120 Speaker 1: subtleties are what's so great about it. And the going 223 00:13:28,160 --> 00:13:30,280 Speaker 1: back is part of it too, Like you know, the 224 00:13:30,320 --> 00:13:32,640 Speaker 1: fifteenth Pole Adbandoned Doings is one of the hardest part 225 00:13:32,679 --> 00:13:34,839 Speaker 1: threes in the world when the winds blown at you, 226 00:13:35,480 --> 00:13:38,199 Speaker 1: and it's often the last round of of our big 227 00:13:38,320 --> 00:13:41,040 Speaker 1: Uncle Tony Invitational of like you know, when you t 228 00:13:41,240 --> 00:13:43,400 Speaker 1: off okay in three and a half hours, I'm gonna 229 00:13:43,400 --> 00:13:45,280 Speaker 1: have this do or die shot that could decide the 230 00:13:45,280 --> 00:13:47,400 Speaker 1: whole thing. And you think about you did the year before, 231 00:13:47,440 --> 00:13:49,280 Speaker 1: and the year before and the year before, where you 232 00:13:49,360 --> 00:13:50,960 Speaker 1: missed it or what club you should have hit. And 233 00:13:51,440 --> 00:13:54,160 Speaker 1: there's that institutional knowledge that adds up when you play 234 00:13:54,200 --> 00:13:56,280 Speaker 1: the same things over and over. Like you know, Matt 235 00:13:56,280 --> 00:13:58,959 Speaker 1: and I have done these great barn storming trips press 236 00:13:58,960 --> 00:14:02,640 Speaker 1: Scotland and Ireland and Australia. You know we're always in her. 237 00:14:02,679 --> 00:14:04,200 Speaker 1: You get to play these courses once you may never 238 00:14:04,200 --> 00:14:06,280 Speaker 1: see him again, and you appreciate him and you love them, 239 00:14:06,320 --> 00:14:09,320 Speaker 1: but uh, Bannon, you keep coming back, keep coming back, 240 00:14:09,360 --> 00:14:11,360 Speaker 1: And so you have your own scar tissue and your 241 00:14:11,360 --> 00:14:15,000 Speaker 1: own triumphs and your your personal history, and that all 242 00:14:15,080 --> 00:14:18,720 Speaker 1: gets just baked into the experience, and so there's just 243 00:14:18,800 --> 00:14:20,760 Speaker 1: adds more and more layers to the whole thing. But 244 00:14:21,240 --> 00:14:23,440 Speaker 1: I mean, you and I can we can wax poetic 245 00:14:23,480 --> 00:14:26,760 Speaker 1: about and the dunes forever. We should talk about the news. 246 00:14:26,760 --> 00:14:28,520 Speaker 1: And I'll tell you so. I played around the golf 247 00:14:28,520 --> 00:14:30,800 Speaker 1: in Mike Kaiser a couple of months ago and the 248 00:14:30,840 --> 00:14:34,360 Speaker 1: East Bay um at the scruffy little Munique course. Mike 249 00:14:34,440 --> 00:14:36,160 Speaker 1: Kayser could get a game anywhere on the planet. He 250 00:14:36,200 --> 00:14:38,600 Speaker 1: wants to play Santransco Golf Club, he wants you know, 251 00:14:38,800 --> 00:14:41,560 Speaker 1: he wants to play Olympic. No, he chose this like 252 00:14:41,600 --> 00:14:45,160 Speaker 1: thirty dollar Muni with this very mixed crowd um And 253 00:14:45,200 --> 00:14:47,760 Speaker 1: it was wonderful and we had a great time. And 254 00:14:48,520 --> 00:14:50,880 Speaker 1: one thing you said to me, and it was just 255 00:14:50,920 --> 00:14:53,280 Speaker 1: a four hour conversation. It was as delightful as you 256 00:14:53,280 --> 00:14:57,120 Speaker 1: would imagine about a myriad topics. But he said, you know, 257 00:14:57,160 --> 00:14:59,280 Speaker 1: golf development is a young man's game. And He's like, 258 00:14:59,320 --> 00:15:02,000 Speaker 1: I'm not a young man anymore. And I think probably 259 00:15:02,040 --> 00:15:06,320 Speaker 1: that at its emergency, like his place in in Gulf 260 00:15:06,400 --> 00:15:09,720 Speaker 1: history is secure, like we're gonna be We're gonna be 261 00:15:09,880 --> 00:15:13,240 Speaker 1: toasting Mike Kaiser fifty years from now, hundred years from now, 262 00:15:13,240 --> 00:15:16,760 Speaker 1: two years from now. But I think it was meaningful 263 00:15:16,800 --> 00:15:21,080 Speaker 1: to him to get these USC championships on the slate. 264 00:15:21,520 --> 00:15:25,240 Speaker 1: Is he gonna be around Hope? So, but you know 265 00:15:25,240 --> 00:15:27,840 Speaker 1: he's in his late seventies, so maybe not, but uh 266 00:15:28,000 --> 00:15:30,240 Speaker 1: it's something that he knows is coming and that that's 267 00:15:30,280 --> 00:15:33,080 Speaker 1: part of his legacy. And so it's really cool. It's like, 268 00:15:33,880 --> 00:15:36,520 Speaker 1: you know, why, right, someone's obituary once they're dead, like 269 00:15:36,680 --> 00:15:40,560 Speaker 1: Mike Kayser deserved to have this validation and this celebration. 270 00:15:40,680 --> 00:15:42,480 Speaker 1: And you know, he lays his head on the pillow tonight, 271 00:15:42,760 --> 00:15:44,640 Speaker 1: he's gonna have a huge smile on his face because 272 00:15:45,480 --> 00:15:49,200 Speaker 1: they have secured this relationship that is so good for 273 00:15:49,240 --> 00:15:52,200 Speaker 1: both the U. S g A and for Bandon. And 274 00:15:52,200 --> 00:15:54,400 Speaker 1: it's also and Matt, you can speak more about about 275 00:15:54,400 --> 00:15:57,720 Speaker 1: these particular courses and developments because you've been working the 276 00:15:57,760 --> 00:16:01,200 Speaker 1: phones all day. But uh know, he's he's been tied 277 00:16:01,320 --> 00:16:04,600 Speaker 1: up in a bunch of projects and some of them 278 00:16:04,640 --> 00:16:06,880 Speaker 1: moving at this glacial pace, Like he wants to build 279 00:16:06,920 --> 00:16:09,640 Speaker 1: five courses at this Air Force base on the California coast. 280 00:16:09,840 --> 00:16:12,040 Speaker 1: They're like a year ten of trying to get that done, 281 00:16:12,040 --> 00:16:14,560 Speaker 1: and who knows, lever get across the finish line. And 282 00:16:14,640 --> 00:16:16,720 Speaker 1: so I think these two new courses abandoned. It's like, 283 00:16:16,760 --> 00:16:19,120 Speaker 1: you know what, it's not an hour never because his 284 00:16:19,280 --> 00:16:22,120 Speaker 1: sons are great stewards and they could they can do 285 00:16:22,160 --> 00:16:23,520 Speaker 1: these things. But if we're gonna do it, let's do 286 00:16:23,560 --> 00:16:25,560 Speaker 1: it now so the old man can go out and 287 00:16:25,560 --> 00:16:27,640 Speaker 1: play it and enjoy it and see it. And so 288 00:16:27,920 --> 00:16:31,280 Speaker 1: I think there was a little urgency and I detected 289 00:16:31,320 --> 00:16:33,600 Speaker 1: that in our conversation, Like you know, he wants a 290 00:16:33,720 --> 00:16:36,680 Speaker 1: victory lap, and so this is the ultimate one and 291 00:16:36,720 --> 00:16:39,040 Speaker 1: he can't be more happy for him and his family 292 00:16:39,120 --> 00:16:40,880 Speaker 1: and all the people who care about golf. But it's 293 00:16:41,120 --> 00:16:44,840 Speaker 1: it's kind of a celebration of his legacy. It's funny 294 00:16:44,840 --> 00:16:47,280 Speaker 1: because I mean, I just spoke to him an hour 295 00:16:47,320 --> 00:16:53,320 Speaker 1: ago and I I was asking him, you know, because 296 00:16:53,320 --> 00:16:56,040 Speaker 1: he said to me in June of last year, at 297 00:16:56,080 --> 00:17:00,360 Speaker 1: the opening of the Sheep Ranch, that that would be 298 00:17:00,360 --> 00:17:05,560 Speaker 1: the last piece of the golf puzzle at Bandon Dunes, 299 00:17:05,880 --> 00:17:10,320 Speaker 1: that five big courses, the short course, you know, shorties, 300 00:17:10,400 --> 00:17:13,920 Speaker 1: the punch bowl, and preserve that that that that would 301 00:17:13,960 --> 00:17:17,720 Speaker 1: be enough. And I do think that, you know, he's 302 00:17:17,760 --> 00:17:21,000 Speaker 1: been sitting on this property that was once deemed a 303 00:17:21,080 --> 00:17:23,880 Speaker 1: place where they would be building a golf course called 304 00:17:23,920 --> 00:17:29,919 Speaker 1: Bandon Muni his in theory, give back two locals in 305 00:17:30,000 --> 00:17:33,600 Speaker 1: which they would be able to play that the seven 306 00:17:33,720 --> 00:17:38,280 Speaker 1: holes by gil Hants for a very small fee. You know, 307 00:17:38,359 --> 00:17:42,280 Speaker 1: resort guests would still be paying resort you know, resort fees, 308 00:17:42,320 --> 00:17:43,760 Speaker 1: but this was going to be a place where he 309 00:17:43,800 --> 00:17:46,240 Speaker 1: was gonna have a junior caddy academy. He was going 310 00:17:46,320 --> 00:17:50,120 Speaker 1: to be allowing locals to play it for for far 311 00:17:50,200 --> 00:17:54,639 Speaker 1: less money than than what resort guests pay to play. 312 00:17:54,760 --> 00:17:56,840 Speaker 1: And this was going to be kind of his in 313 00:17:56,880 --> 00:17:59,480 Speaker 1: a way is get back much like Bandoned Preserve is 314 00:17:59,560 --> 00:18:02,560 Speaker 1: with you know, he uses essentially most of the proceeds 315 00:18:02,560 --> 00:18:06,520 Speaker 1: to give back two community efforts. And I said, so 316 00:18:06,520 --> 00:18:08,359 Speaker 1: it would have been at Mike. You said in June 317 00:18:08,400 --> 00:18:10,400 Speaker 1: that this was the last piece, and he said, well, 318 00:18:11,400 --> 00:18:14,800 Speaker 1: I'll be honest, like you know, the demand is so 319 00:18:15,000 --> 00:18:20,320 Speaker 1: high based on you know, both I think not only 320 00:18:20,359 --> 00:18:22,719 Speaker 1: what happened in terms of COVID with the momentum of 321 00:18:22,800 --> 00:18:27,280 Speaker 1: golf in general, but also the display of what was 322 00:18:27,400 --> 00:18:30,479 Speaker 1: the US amateur I think from that point forward, I mean, 323 00:18:30,520 --> 00:18:33,399 Speaker 1: if you think that I I was usually booking the 324 00:18:33,480 --> 00:18:37,159 Speaker 1: Uncle Tony Invitational year in advance, I had to book 325 00:18:38,040 --> 00:18:45,760 Speaker 1: in August of twenty to book for October of and 326 00:18:45,880 --> 00:18:48,920 Speaker 1: barely got a group of eight in almost a year 327 00:18:48,960 --> 00:18:53,080 Speaker 1: and a half advanced in advance. And that that in 328 00:18:53,160 --> 00:18:55,800 Speaker 1: itself made him think like, He's been sitting on this 329 00:18:55,880 --> 00:18:59,240 Speaker 1: land for over twenty years, and what was gonna happen 330 00:18:59,359 --> 00:19:02,720 Speaker 1: was he was going to take portions of the land 331 00:19:02,760 --> 00:19:06,439 Speaker 1: he owned and slop it out, you know, trade it 332 00:19:06,840 --> 00:19:12,040 Speaker 1: essentially plus cash to the Oregon State Parks Department, so 333 00:19:12,080 --> 00:19:15,600 Speaker 1: that he could get enough land and the better part 334 00:19:15,600 --> 00:19:17,320 Speaker 1: of the land to build what was going to be 335 00:19:17,440 --> 00:19:22,399 Speaker 1: Gil Hans's Band Immunity seven holes. But after all the 336 00:19:22,440 --> 00:19:26,440 Speaker 1: negotiations and the Oregon State Parks Department continuing to come 337 00:19:26,440 --> 00:19:29,200 Speaker 1: back to him and want more and more and more 338 00:19:30,200 --> 00:19:32,760 Speaker 1: in what was already in what he considered a four 339 00:19:32,880 --> 00:19:37,480 Speaker 1: to one value in their favor, he eventually said, you 340 00:19:37,520 --> 00:19:40,320 Speaker 1: know what, I'm out, I'm gonna go build a sheep ranch. 341 00:19:40,560 --> 00:19:43,720 Speaker 1: I'm done doing this. It's not worth the effort of 342 00:19:43,760 --> 00:19:46,639 Speaker 1: the energy or certainly the expense, and I'm going to go. 343 00:19:46,800 --> 00:19:49,600 Speaker 1: You know, Phil Freedom was ready and to to turn 344 00:19:50,640 --> 00:19:52,880 Speaker 1: sheep Ranch into what it is now. And so they 345 00:19:52,880 --> 00:19:56,000 Speaker 1: did that, and he said, but with the demands so Hi, 346 00:19:56,200 --> 00:19:58,720 Speaker 1: he had David Kidd come out in March, take a 347 00:19:58,720 --> 00:20:01,440 Speaker 1: look at what the land he had add David Kidd 348 00:20:01,440 --> 00:20:04,600 Speaker 1: created it, spent weeks there and walked it and created 349 00:20:04,640 --> 00:20:08,200 Speaker 1: a routing, brought brought Mike back out there. And Mike 350 00:20:08,280 --> 00:20:11,080 Speaker 1: has a rating system of how he rates holes one 351 00:20:11,119 --> 00:20:13,520 Speaker 1: to ten and he'll go each hole one to ten, 352 00:20:13,640 --> 00:20:16,000 Speaker 1: one to ten, one to ten. The reason why Mike 353 00:20:16,440 --> 00:20:19,840 Speaker 1: Kaiser started hiring David Kidd again was because he rated 354 00:20:19,880 --> 00:20:23,400 Speaker 1: Gamble Sands so high after a trip to Gamble Sands, 355 00:20:23,440 --> 00:20:26,320 Speaker 1: to which he then realized, David Kidd is back to 356 00:20:26,400 --> 00:20:29,240 Speaker 1: building fun again. That's how he got the job building 357 00:20:29,280 --> 00:20:32,120 Speaker 1: Mammoth Dunes at Sand Valley, and that's how and why 358 00:20:32,160 --> 00:20:34,560 Speaker 1: he's going to get the job to build this sixth 359 00:20:34,560 --> 00:20:38,560 Speaker 1: course abandoned dunes if they get the permitting, which is 360 00:20:38,600 --> 00:20:43,040 Speaker 1: a big if um. But he owns the land that 361 00:20:43,080 --> 00:20:46,840 Speaker 1: makes permitting a little easier. And you know, look at 362 00:20:46,840 --> 00:20:49,200 Speaker 1: what look at look at the track record he's got. 363 00:20:49,320 --> 00:20:51,680 Speaker 1: If someone wants to get in the way of more 364 00:20:51,760 --> 00:20:57,600 Speaker 1: of this of what is you know, dunes restoration after 365 00:20:57,720 --> 00:21:01,880 Speaker 1: what was ghost short, ghost gorse, choked land and essentially 366 00:21:01,880 --> 00:21:06,359 Speaker 1: a major fire hazard. Um, I think, I think, I 367 00:21:06,400 --> 00:21:09,240 Speaker 1: think the problem is there is not ours well, and 368 00:21:09,280 --> 00:21:13,600 Speaker 1: you said something important there. You know, he abandoned this 369 00:21:13,840 --> 00:21:16,520 Speaker 1: banded muni and he built sheep Rants, and sheep Rants 370 00:21:16,520 --> 00:21:18,720 Speaker 1: has been a home run. I mean we're now a 371 00:21:18,800 --> 00:21:22,880 Speaker 1: year basically into its thirteen months it's been on the planet. 372 00:21:23,080 --> 00:21:27,680 Speaker 1: Everyone freaking loves sheep Rants. Um. And instead of spreading 373 00:21:27,720 --> 00:21:31,160 Speaker 1: out the play, it actually just made every course more 374 00:21:31,160 --> 00:21:33,320 Speaker 1: path because everyone has to go play. Sheep ranched out 375 00:21:33,720 --> 00:21:36,960 Speaker 1: and it's brought more people abandoned and even though another course, 376 00:21:37,040 --> 00:21:39,919 Speaker 1: it's like it hasn't really lessen the demand elsewhere, it's 377 00:21:39,960 --> 00:21:42,880 Speaker 1: increased it. And so um, there's a few things going 378 00:21:42,920 --> 00:21:48,760 Speaker 1: on there. But I you know, dealing with governmental agencies 379 00:21:48,840 --> 00:21:51,600 Speaker 1: is especially on the coast, is always a challenge. But 380 00:21:52,480 --> 00:21:55,399 Speaker 1: the economic impact that Mike Kaiser has had on that 381 00:21:55,480 --> 00:21:58,720 Speaker 1: part of Oregon is just phenomenal and the amount of 382 00:21:59,280 --> 00:22:03,159 Speaker 1: money and time he's put into restoring the watershed and 383 00:22:03,160 --> 00:22:07,840 Speaker 1: and other environmental projects. He's been such an incredible partner 384 00:22:07,920 --> 00:22:12,120 Speaker 1: and steward of of the land, not just around Abandoned, 385 00:22:12,160 --> 00:22:15,160 Speaker 1: with the whole, the whole part of Oregon that it's 386 00:22:15,160 --> 00:22:21,040 Speaker 1: just hard to fathom anyone could object. So hopefully now 387 00:22:21,160 --> 00:22:26,480 Speaker 1: with with renewed energy and will uh this will finally 388 00:22:26,520 --> 00:22:28,440 Speaker 1: get done. And I know it would be so satisfying 389 00:22:28,480 --> 00:22:30,199 Speaker 1: for Kaiser because as you said, he's walked away from 390 00:22:30,240 --> 00:22:32,040 Speaker 1: this project a couple of times and throwing his hands 391 00:22:32,080 --> 00:22:33,760 Speaker 1: in the errands that to get it across the finish 392 00:22:33,760 --> 00:22:38,960 Speaker 1: line and be huge and so I mean, I don't 393 00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:40,159 Speaker 1: know what do we have to do. Let's start right, 394 00:22:40,200 --> 00:22:44,040 Speaker 1: Let's start a letter writing campaign. We could get about 395 00:22:44,119 --> 00:22:47,439 Speaker 1: fifty thousand pieces of mail dumped on the desks of 396 00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:52,000 Speaker 1: the county supervisors and clerks, and uh, you know, they 397 00:22:52,080 --> 00:22:55,120 Speaker 1: must know how popular abandon Dunes is. But maybe maybe 398 00:22:55,160 --> 00:22:57,840 Speaker 1: we need some some physical evidence. But for sure, the 399 00:22:57,960 --> 00:23:01,080 Speaker 1: entire golf world is behind Mike Kai's or and you know, 400 00:23:01,160 --> 00:23:05,119 Speaker 1: maybe this one to punch helps. It's like now the 401 00:23:06,280 --> 00:23:07,920 Speaker 1: you know, he has the blessing of the U s 402 00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:11,119 Speaker 1: J and he has a formal relationship with U s 403 00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:13,280 Speaker 1: g A, and maybe they can push some of the 404 00:23:13,359 --> 00:23:15,399 Speaker 1: lovers of power to to help make this happen. So 405 00:23:15,960 --> 00:23:18,720 Speaker 1: that's not why bandoned hosting the USG events for that 406 00:23:18,800 --> 00:23:21,480 Speaker 1: that could be helpful. You know, there's any way you 407 00:23:21,520 --> 00:23:23,760 Speaker 1: can bring pressure to bear on on these these governmental 408 00:23:23,800 --> 00:23:30,440 Speaker 1: agencies and obstructionists and shot callers. We support because, uh, 409 00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:32,679 Speaker 1: you know, David McClay kid, as he said, Matt like 410 00:23:32,960 --> 00:23:36,400 Speaker 1: Bannon is where it all started for him. And um, 411 00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:38,840 Speaker 1: you know, Cort Crunchhaw now had two bites of the apple. 412 00:23:39,320 --> 00:23:41,800 Speaker 1: It would be awesome for him to come back and 413 00:23:41,800 --> 00:23:44,640 Speaker 1: and do what's probably the last course abandoned. But certainly, 414 00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:48,360 Speaker 1: you know, McClay kid deserves that that recognition as well 415 00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:51,480 Speaker 1: and a chance to put his stamp on another course there. 416 00:23:51,520 --> 00:23:55,639 Speaker 1: So it just makes it a totally delicious project. I 417 00:23:55,760 --> 00:23:59,520 Speaker 1: talked to David Kidd also earlier today and he referred 418 00:23:59,560 --> 00:24:02,720 Speaker 1: to that that very idea that he could have he 419 00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:05,439 Speaker 1: could build the first when he was twenty five and 420 00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:12,359 Speaker 1: nineteen late nineties from to now building what would be 421 00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:18,000 Speaker 1: the sixth course. He said it would be poetic, he said, uh, 422 00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:21,560 Speaker 1: you know, essentially nearing his sixties to go from his 423 00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:25,639 Speaker 1: you know, twenties to Bandon learning all that he's learned 424 00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:28,640 Speaker 1: and knowing all that he knows, and to be able 425 00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:31,960 Speaker 1: to put the to put the to the exclamation point 426 00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:35,080 Speaker 1: or the or the the cherry on top of what 427 00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:39,119 Speaker 1: is this, this epic Sunday of golf would would be 428 00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:42,600 Speaker 1: poetic for him. Uh. And and what a hell of 429 00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:45,480 Speaker 1: a narrative. I just put out a Twitter poll asking 430 00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:49,840 Speaker 1: general general public about what do they think is the 431 00:24:49,840 --> 00:24:52,320 Speaker 1: bigger news the idea that Bandon is going to build 432 00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:55,399 Speaker 1: a sixth golf course or that they are now going 433 00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:58,320 Speaker 1: to get thirteen U s g A Championships. About five 434 00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:02,120 Speaker 1: votes in where you know, we're twenty three minutes into 435 00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:05,560 Speaker 1: the poll, and six of five votes are saying a 436 00:25:05,640 --> 00:25:09,000 Speaker 1: six sixth course and thirty six center saying U s 437 00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:12,920 Speaker 1: g A Championships. But you know, essentially that means the 438 00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:16,040 Speaker 1: general amateurs are saying, yes, we get a sixth course. 439 00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:19,520 Speaker 1: The elite ms are saying, wow, we get a chance 440 00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:23,439 Speaker 1: to compete at one of these epics. Sort of true 441 00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:27,399 Speaker 1: links style, you know, uh, venues with the exception of 442 00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:31,480 Speaker 1: Banding trails, which you know is inland and has a 443 00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:35,399 Speaker 1: links looked to it, but it's not necessarily you know, 444 00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:40,120 Speaker 1: on the on the water. But um, it's It's interesting 445 00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:44,240 Speaker 1: to me because I actually think that with these championships 446 00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:50,040 Speaker 1: comes TV, and with TV comes these this transcendent group 447 00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:53,560 Speaker 1: of eyeballs on the way golf is supposed to be played. 448 00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:56,439 Speaker 1: So if you looked at the US Amateur, just like 449 00:25:56,480 --> 00:25:59,520 Speaker 1: we saw in pine Hurst in two thousand fourteen when 450 00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:03,160 Speaker 1: we saw browned out ball on the ground moving around, 451 00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:06,959 Speaker 1: impact that that had on the eyeballs of people who 452 00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:09,840 Speaker 1: are watching it. I actually think these may you know, 453 00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:12,879 Speaker 1: these U S g A Championships and being able to 454 00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:16,040 Speaker 1: see bandoned dunes and see that style of golf in 455 00:26:16,119 --> 00:26:19,640 Speaker 1: America is going to continue to have a ripple effect 456 00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:25,880 Speaker 1: on golf and development in America. Not to mention highlighting 457 00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:29,560 Speaker 1: things like short courses and putting courses. It's just an 458 00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:33,000 Speaker 1: opportunity to keep having this ripple effect of what Mike's 459 00:26:33,040 --> 00:26:36,040 Speaker 1: building to go beyond people who are willing to actually 460 00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:39,280 Speaker 1: make the trip and play the golf. Yeah, and I 461 00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:42,760 Speaker 1: think it'll You know, Matt and I you've been there 462 00:26:42,760 --> 00:26:44,280 Speaker 1: a lot more than I have but we're both blessed 463 00:26:44,280 --> 00:26:46,040 Speaker 1: to have been there a good number of times. And 464 00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:48,160 Speaker 1: I think we sort of take for granted that any 465 00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:50,440 Speaker 1: kind of hardcore golfer has been there, But just look 466 00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:53,600 Speaker 1: at the fire Pit collective. Roster Colt hasn't been. Ryan 467 00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:57,960 Speaker 1: French hasn't been. Laws Versailles has not been. And so 468 00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:01,119 Speaker 1: I think these u SG champions ships will create this 469 00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:04,240 Speaker 1: momentum that every person who's thought about it and and 470 00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:07,320 Speaker 1: procrastinated or talk themselves out of it for one reason 471 00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:09,320 Speaker 1: or another, they're all going to get on the plane 472 00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:13,040 Speaker 1: over time because those courses look so great on TV. 473 00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:16,000 Speaker 1: I mean, the US Amateur was just a riveting show 474 00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:20,240 Speaker 1: to see really really great amateur golfers attacking those courses 475 00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:22,840 Speaker 1: and having to contend with the wind and having to 476 00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:26,399 Speaker 1: play shots and all the tricky little short game. If 477 00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:29,159 Speaker 1: that didn't get your blood pumping, then you're dead. Like 478 00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:32,919 Speaker 1: it was just it was. It was such a great show. 479 00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:35,720 Speaker 1: And you know, you do you take a Walker cup there, 480 00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:39,359 Speaker 1: you Curtis Cup, you know, bringing a team element and 481 00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:43,760 Speaker 1: the flag waven and the partner golf and the alternate shot, 482 00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:46,359 Speaker 1: it just it just adds a whole other element of intrigue. 483 00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:52,120 Speaker 1: So um, yeah, it's it's just a wonderful development. And 484 00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:55,159 Speaker 1: you're right, infrastructure is an issue, Like you know, all 485 00:27:55,200 --> 00:28:00,000 Speaker 1: these events draw somewhat limited crowds. Uh, there's a part 486 00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:02,560 Speaker 1: to me like I've always sort of held out hope 487 00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:06,959 Speaker 1: for a Ryder Cup, a Bandon because it would just 488 00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:10,520 Speaker 1: be so phenomenal. And it's it's what we play, right, 489 00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:12,360 Speaker 1: Like when we go up there, it's always two man 490 00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:15,639 Speaker 1: team is always best ball, and crazy stuff happens. You 491 00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:18,760 Speaker 1: can be super aggressive, you can you can both both 492 00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:20,840 Speaker 1: players can wind up in funky spots and you're just 493 00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:25,040 Speaker 1: fighting for a bogey and um, you know it would 494 00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:27,080 Speaker 1: it would How you'd get it have to be somewhat 495 00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:28,840 Speaker 1: limited fans and people have to be willing to take 496 00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:32,120 Speaker 1: a long bus ride from somewhere. But uh, I guess 497 00:28:32,119 --> 00:28:33,800 Speaker 1: I can let that dream go because we are getting 498 00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:37,040 Speaker 1: all these great USG championships. But uh, you know, I 499 00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:39,640 Speaker 1: was thinking you could dock some cruise ships out off 500 00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:42,080 Speaker 1: on the coast and those are the hotels like there's 501 00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:46,880 Speaker 1: I don't know, but anyway, it's it's a different dream. 502 00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:50,640 Speaker 1: But I think these USG events are such a wonderful 503 00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:53,520 Speaker 1: fit and it's gonna be awesome to see the junior 504 00:28:53,560 --> 00:28:56,360 Speaker 1: you know, US Junior is like you know, they can't 505 00:28:56,360 --> 00:28:58,040 Speaker 1: over the power of the course, like like the US 506 00:28:58,120 --> 00:29:00,920 Speaker 1: Amateur in a lot of ways. So uh so many 507 00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:03,840 Speaker 1: different styles of golf on on so many different unique 508 00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:07,480 Speaker 1: playing fields, and uh it's it's gonna be wonderful for 509 00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:10,480 Speaker 1: the competitors, for the viewers, and obviously for stiamu ltting 510 00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:13,640 Speaker 1: interest in Bannon Dunes as a destination. And I think 511 00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:16,600 Speaker 1: it's relatable in two ways. Right we mentioned how you know, 512 00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:18,440 Speaker 1: obviously there's gonna be a broadcast of it, you get 513 00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:20,600 Speaker 1: to watch it on TV and then hopefully one day 514 00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:22,680 Speaker 1: go out there and you get to to play those 515 00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:24,800 Speaker 1: same shots. But in the other way, Matt, we talked 516 00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:27,760 Speaker 1: about this just this week, um with the with the 517 00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:31,160 Speaker 1: Amateur Championship, all of these championships that are coming out 518 00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:33,600 Speaker 1: to Bandon Dunes al thir teen, our match play championships, 519 00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:35,840 Speaker 1: and that's what you know we typically play, or I 520 00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:38,680 Speaker 1: would assume you guys simpically play when you head up there, 521 00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:41,440 Speaker 1: you know, with your buddies. Um, so you know, to you, 522 00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:45,280 Speaker 1: how how is that more relatable than say, watching guys 523 00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:50,320 Speaker 1: shoot six yeah, it's it's it's just it's layers of 524 00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:53,360 Speaker 1: relatability that it is at a public of course, and 525 00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:56,920 Speaker 1: that it is match play, uh, and then what that 526 00:29:57,040 --> 00:30:00,280 Speaker 1: yields in terms of strategy or shot a king. I 527 00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:05,200 Speaker 1: mean I remember watching uh, you know, guys at the 528 00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:09,280 Speaker 1: amateur trying to hit chip shots all the off those 529 00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:12,640 Speaker 1: tight lines around those greens, and I'm thinking to myself, 530 00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:15,040 Speaker 1: what are they doing. You gotta put that. That's a 531 00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:17,480 Speaker 1: put that's a you gotta put, you know, And then 532 00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:19,800 Speaker 1: they chunk the chip and it comes back to their 533 00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:22,280 Speaker 1: feet and it's like, I told you gotta put that, 534 00:30:22,360 --> 00:30:24,800 Speaker 1: Like any good caddy would have put a putter in 535 00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:28,560 Speaker 1: that player's head and said put this. Are you kidding me? Um? 536 00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:34,520 Speaker 1: So there's there's that. Uh. The other yeah, it's truely stuff. 537 00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:36,800 Speaker 1: But the other thing Mike Mike pointed out to me, 538 00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:40,240 Speaker 1: and that championships boys and girls, men's and women's that 539 00:30:40,280 --> 00:30:44,720 Speaker 1: are happening in the same year at the same time consecutively, 540 00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:48,640 Speaker 1: back to back, could end up actually happening at the 541 00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:51,880 Speaker 1: same time, so that you're going you are having the 542 00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:55,760 Speaker 1: men's and women's or the boys and girls because they 543 00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:58,520 Speaker 1: have the courses and they can do it. You can 544 00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:03,720 Speaker 1: actually be having them simultaneously, not like what Pineers did 545 00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:06,000 Speaker 1: in two thousand and fourteen where you have the men's 546 00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:09,800 Speaker 1: followed by the women. This is going to be, uh, 547 00:31:10,040 --> 00:31:13,440 Speaker 1: this is going to be something in which if they 548 00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:17,240 Speaker 1: do this, like Mike said, I you know, it's women's 549 00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:22,200 Speaker 1: and girls golf matters to him and wants this to 550 00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:26,560 Speaker 1: be an opportunity to really showcase that that golf on 551 00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:30,000 Speaker 1: the main stage. Yeah, that's awesome. I love that. And 552 00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:33,880 Speaker 1: when you like when the VIC opened down in Australia 553 00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:35,680 Speaker 1: had the men of the women playing at the same time. 554 00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:38,240 Speaker 1: It was great for the competitors. They got they got 555 00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:40,680 Speaker 1: exposed to new ideas and it was it was a 556 00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:44,400 Speaker 1: fun change and it you know, we all know that 557 00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:49,360 Speaker 1: women's golf viewership is lagged behind men's and so when 558 00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:51,400 Speaker 1: and yet it's so compelling to watch. If you can 559 00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:53,080 Speaker 1: just get people to tune in, they fall in love 560 00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:56,200 Speaker 1: with her and and the players and and the finesse 561 00:31:56,320 --> 00:31:58,480 Speaker 1: and and the and the precision that they bring to 562 00:31:58,560 --> 00:32:01,120 Speaker 1: the sport. And so anything you can do to get 563 00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:04,320 Speaker 1: more eyeballs on the women's game is super valuable. And 564 00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:08,320 Speaker 1: I think, um, that's a great idea and knowing knowing 565 00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:13,120 Speaker 1: Kaiser and his love of women's golf, and uh, I 566 00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:14,800 Speaker 1: think it will happen, and I think it'll be really 567 00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:18,760 Speaker 1: cool for everyone involved. I think I think it's important. 568 00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:24,640 Speaker 1: Mike made several mentions of this to me, is that 569 00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:28,800 Speaker 1: he really credits Mike Davis for making all this happen, 570 00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:33,760 Speaker 1: and then he credits Josh Lesnik, the original general manager 571 00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:36,480 Speaker 1: of Bandoned Dunes going back to the late nineties, who 572 00:32:36,520 --> 00:32:39,120 Speaker 1: was in his twenties, who we've told that story in 573 00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:41,920 Speaker 1: the fire Pit podcast of the Building Abandoned Dunes obviously 574 00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:45,480 Speaker 1: in a two part podcast about how David Kid and 575 00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:49,239 Speaker 1: Josh Lesnik were in their twenties out there like, you know, 576 00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:51,640 Speaker 1: I don't know what I was doing in my late twenties, 577 00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:53,440 Speaker 1: but I wasn't out there, you know, building one of 578 00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:56,720 Speaker 1: the greatest golf destinations in the world like Josh and 579 00:32:56,840 --> 00:33:00,600 Speaker 1: David were. But he says that Josh las Nik was 580 00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:05,120 Speaker 1: really his big thing was to befriend Mike Davis. They've 581 00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:07,600 Speaker 1: gone on to become great friends and then bring Mike 582 00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:11,440 Speaker 1: Davis too Bandoned Dunes to show them what was happening. 583 00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:13,480 Speaker 1: And Mike Davis really fell in love with the place 584 00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:18,120 Speaker 1: because of those visits, and and and Mike Kaiser really 585 00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:22,160 Speaker 1: gives both Josh and Mike a lot of credit for 586 00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:26,080 Speaker 1: what what has just transpired in the terms of the 587 00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:30,720 Speaker 1: U s g A Championships. So it's it's definitely worth noting. Yeah, 588 00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:33,720 Speaker 1: that that's cool. I love that. And uh, that's a 589 00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:35,880 Speaker 1: nice feather on account for Mike Davis. You know, his 590 00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:39,320 Speaker 1: tenure is is ended, but he's still in the game, 591 00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:44,840 Speaker 1: and um, that's a nice thought for sure. Uh. I 592 00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:47,680 Speaker 1: just think it's just the outpouring of excitement. You know, 593 00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:51,320 Speaker 1: this went around the internet. It was other than you know, 594 00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:53,680 Speaker 1: Tiger getting in a car crash. I can't think of 595 00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:56,640 Speaker 1: a piece of news I saw in so many places. 596 00:33:56,920 --> 00:34:00,080 Speaker 1: It just tells you the emotional attachment people have to 597 00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:03,840 Speaker 1: bandon dudes. And uh, six course, oh my god, U 598 00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:07,680 Speaker 1: s J Championships. The speed in which it got picked 599 00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:12,919 Speaker 1: up and how widely was disseminated, and just the celebration 600 00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:18,760 Speaker 1: that followed. I mean, it's it's really remarkable, and it's uh, 601 00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:22,480 Speaker 1: it's sort of validating, you know it because Bannon is different, right, 602 00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:27,080 Speaker 1: It's not it's not fancy hotel rooms. It's not plush 603 00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:31,760 Speaker 1: green grass. You're not zooming around in a cart. Um. 604 00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:34,120 Speaker 1: It's the different kind of golf, and it makes different 605 00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:39,080 Speaker 1: demands of the people who make that trip. Um. But uh, 606 00:34:39,160 --> 00:34:42,359 Speaker 1: it's sort of validation for for for golf the way 607 00:34:43,200 --> 00:34:45,319 Speaker 1: it should be and the way we love it. And 608 00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:47,440 Speaker 1: one of the things that came out of my round 609 00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:50,479 Speaker 1: with Kaiser I want to mention is we're talking about 610 00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:52,920 Speaker 1: the prices, and Bannon is not cheap. I mean, uh, 611 00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:56,440 Speaker 1: it becomes a great value. As I think most people know. 612 00:34:57,040 --> 00:34:59,719 Speaker 1: You play one round, pay full price, if you go 613 00:34:59,840 --> 00:35:03,200 Speaker 1: for second eighteen, that one's half price, and if you 614 00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:06,359 Speaker 1: go for a third eighteen, that's free. And so you 615 00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:09,320 Speaker 1: get around to golf for basically four or fifty bucks 616 00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:13,680 Speaker 1: and um, you know and one day. Yeah, and the 617 00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:15,840 Speaker 1: quality is such that it's a hell of a bargain. 618 00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:19,239 Speaker 1: And but I asked Mike, I said, so, I said, 619 00:35:19,239 --> 00:35:21,800 Speaker 1: I feel like that first round at two, two or 620 00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:24,439 Speaker 1: nine dollars, it's been like that for years. He's like, yeah, 621 00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:28,440 Speaker 1: five years. Um, I said, is that is that kind 622 00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:31,640 Speaker 1: of an emotional number you don't want to cross like 623 00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:34,520 Speaker 1: a threshold? He said, yeah, for sure. He's like they 624 00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:36,719 Speaker 1: begged me, and he said, so Lesnik begged me every 625 00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:39,759 Speaker 1: year to raise the prices. Uh, He's like, whatever number 626 00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:42,160 Speaker 1: we set, we could probably get. He's like, but I 627 00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:43,520 Speaker 1: don't want to go above. I don't want to go 628 00:35:43,560 --> 00:35:46,959 Speaker 1: above to like I feel like that's you know, there's 629 00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:51,040 Speaker 1: there's sort of h he just doesn't want the green 630 00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:53,759 Speaker 1: speed to start with the three. And because he's the 631 00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:57,000 Speaker 1: big cheese, that's that's how it is. And um, so 632 00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:02,400 Speaker 1: you know that's so against the American way where everyone's 633 00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:04,520 Speaker 1: trying to squeeze every dollar out of everyone else at 634 00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:08,400 Speaker 1: all times, right, and any other business. Uh you know 635 00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:11,520 Speaker 1: you look at the cost of you know, a lift 636 00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:14,359 Speaker 1: ticket to go skiing. It just goes up every year 637 00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:17,319 Speaker 1: by twenty bucks. You look at Disney Laod like these 638 00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:20,040 Speaker 1: things just on a straight upward climb. And the fact 639 00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:22,000 Speaker 1: that Bannon has held the line on their green spies 640 00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:24,400 Speaker 1: now for five going on six years, even as you 641 00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:29,320 Speaker 1: mentioned matter that the demand is exploded. Um, it's just cool. 642 00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:33,160 Speaker 1: It gives me like a warm, fuzzy feeling for for 643 00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:37,480 Speaker 1: myke Kaiser and his people because there's, um, there's something 644 00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:40,080 Speaker 1: else at play here besides just trying to make money. 645 00:36:40,200 --> 00:36:43,359 Speaker 1: And that that's a rarity in this world. And when 646 00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:47,480 Speaker 1: the beneficiaries are the everyday golfers who uh you know, 647 00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:49,120 Speaker 1: might have to save up all years so they can 648 00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:51,000 Speaker 1: go make that trip, and they go in February, they 649 00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:54,680 Speaker 1: go in October when the rates are even cheaper, and um, 650 00:36:54,719 --> 00:36:57,360 Speaker 1: you know, he's really doing right by those people. And 651 00:36:57,400 --> 00:37:00,719 Speaker 1: I think it's just a cool part of this whole story. Well, 652 00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:04,440 Speaker 1: it's it's it's worth noting that he's always told me 653 00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:07,120 Speaker 1: that he's always wanted to be half of Pebble Beach. 654 00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:10,960 Speaker 1: So whatever Pebble Beach charges, which is now north of six, 655 00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:15,040 Speaker 1: he's he's still held to that commitment of being half 656 00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:18,160 Speaker 1: of Pebble Beach. Um, you mentioned the idea if you 657 00:37:18,200 --> 00:37:20,480 Speaker 1: play a third eighteen hole or a third round of 658 00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:24,640 Speaker 1: golf under the same sun, that round is for it 659 00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:29,640 Speaker 1: is free. Um. The the the other thing, the other 660 00:37:29,719 --> 00:37:32,600 Speaker 1: thing that that's worth pointing out is is I remember 661 00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:35,800 Speaker 1: speaking to him when he when he opened up abandoned 662 00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:42,000 Speaker 1: Preserve and punch Bowl. He added he added these short 663 00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:45,560 Speaker 1: course and then the putting course. Preserve is a hundred 664 00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:48,440 Speaker 1: dollars in peak season and fifty dollars in the off season, 665 00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:53,160 Speaker 1: and punch bowl a putting course is free. And I 666 00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:55,319 Speaker 1: remember saying to him, I go, I don't understand these 667 00:37:55,400 --> 00:37:58,399 Speaker 1: last two parts of what you've added to the portfolio 668 00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:03,880 Speaker 1: or essentially undermining your business. Why are you giving people 669 00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:08,440 Speaker 1: a place to go and play at a far less 670 00:38:08,600 --> 00:38:13,520 Speaker 1: cost of your of your big cost and your big investment, 671 00:38:13,560 --> 00:38:16,520 Speaker 1: which is the big golf the big golf courses. And 672 00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:19,040 Speaker 1: he says, you know, I get it. I know what 673 00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:22,200 Speaker 1: you're saying. It probably is not a the greatest idea 674 00:38:22,239 --> 00:38:25,240 Speaker 1: by me. It's it's probably not the best business idea 675 00:38:25,360 --> 00:38:28,839 Speaker 1: I've ever had. But you have to remember that what 676 00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:31,759 Speaker 1: I'm trying to do is create the kind of an experience, 677 00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:35,319 Speaker 1: the kind of experience that people have in which they 678 00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:40,520 Speaker 1: don't just come here once. I need them to come back. 679 00:38:41,719 --> 00:38:46,160 Speaker 1: And if they're driving away and they think to themselves, well, yeah, 680 00:38:46,160 --> 00:38:49,560 Speaker 1: it was this amount of money, but we got that 681 00:38:49,640 --> 00:38:52,400 Speaker 1: punch bowl afternoon for free, or we went and played 682 00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:55,960 Speaker 1: the preserve and you know, for fifty dollars, or or 683 00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:58,040 Speaker 1: it was because it was the third round of our day, 684 00:38:58,080 --> 00:39:01,279 Speaker 1: we got to play it for free. You know, they're 685 00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:04,040 Speaker 1: more inclined to come back. The reason why the menu 686 00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:06,759 Speaker 1: isn't going to kill you in terms of what you're 687 00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:09,960 Speaker 1: eating or what you're ordering or what you're drinking. Is 688 00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:14,879 Speaker 1: because that's all part of his commitment to not only 689 00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:18,360 Speaker 1: having you come once, but he wants you to come back. 690 00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:23,200 Speaker 1: And if you look at the bottom out prices in November, December, January, 691 00:39:23,239 --> 00:39:25,560 Speaker 1: and February, in which a lot of people, you know, 692 00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:28,319 Speaker 1: the dirty little secret is those might be some of 693 00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:31,680 Speaker 1: the best months to go to abandon and yeah, you 694 00:39:31,719 --> 00:39:35,400 Speaker 1: get shorter days, but you get a lot smaller bills 695 00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:40,279 Speaker 1: at the end. Is another amazing part of this whole 696 00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:44,239 Speaker 1: equation is that he bottoms out the prices in the 697 00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:47,799 Speaker 1: off season. He needs to keep that place active, He 698 00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:50,239 Speaker 1: needs to keep a job for the you know, the 699 00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:54,240 Speaker 1: people he's employing, both in you know, the service industry, 700 00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:58,319 Speaker 1: but also the caddies, etcetera. So the whole thing is, 701 00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:01,720 Speaker 1: you know, you wonder, how can some buddy in twenty 702 00:40:01,840 --> 00:40:05,280 Speaker 1: years build a place that becomes the number one pure 703 00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:08,480 Speaker 1: golf destination in a country in which they've been building 704 00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:12,880 Speaker 1: golf for a hundred and thirty years. How did he 705 00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:17,279 Speaker 1: do it with that kind of commitment to the experience, 706 00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:22,960 Speaker 1: the affordability, the accessibility and uh, and the opportunity did 707 00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:25,080 Speaker 1: not just come to come come once, but come back. 708 00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:29,759 Speaker 1: I mean, honestly, how many people have given so much 709 00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:34,720 Speaker 1: enjoyment to their fellow man as Mike Kaiser, maybe Hugh Hefner. Uh, 710 00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:36,319 Speaker 1: you know, we could could come up, we could come 711 00:40:36,360 --> 00:40:42,480 Speaker 1: up with a small list, but like, um, yeah, report Thomas. 712 00:40:42,560 --> 00:40:46,800 Speaker 1: That is a you know whatever, but it's a small yeah. 713 00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:48,759 Speaker 1: And I mean he's just a great American. That's how 714 00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:50,239 Speaker 1: I think of the guy. It's not that he's just 715 00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:55,480 Speaker 1: great for golf, like, um, the example he's set as 716 00:40:55,520 --> 00:40:59,680 Speaker 1: an industry leader and as as a philanthropist and as 717 00:40:59,719 --> 00:41:04,359 Speaker 1: a conservationist like I mean, he's just he's the man. 718 00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:08,400 Speaker 1: I don't know what else to say, but uh, anyway, Yeah, 719 00:41:08,520 --> 00:41:10,200 Speaker 1: I really feel like we could talk about Bandon Dunes 720 00:41:10,200 --> 00:41:14,080 Speaker 1: all night. But the bottom line is there's gonna be 721 00:41:14,080 --> 00:41:18,080 Speaker 1: another course. We feel good about that despite some of 722 00:41:18,120 --> 00:41:22,759 Speaker 1: the head winds politically, and there's gonna be thirteen u 723 00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:26,359 Speaker 1: SG Championships. We're all it's not cold. Me and you, Matt, 724 00:41:26,360 --> 00:41:28,080 Speaker 1: We're gonna be in our seventies when they're they're still 725 00:41:28,080 --> 00:41:31,799 Speaker 1: playing these and you know, I'm sure we'll drag our 726 00:41:31,840 --> 00:41:35,520 Speaker 1: sorry butts up there to cover the you know, U 727 00:41:35,600 --> 00:41:38,040 Speaker 1: s g a slate abandoned dunes, because why not. I mean, 728 00:41:38,719 --> 00:41:42,000 Speaker 1: might only play eighteen holes that day when we're sneaking off, 729 00:41:42,120 --> 00:41:45,680 Speaker 1: but uh, I think we'll be there because why not. 730 00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:49,120 Speaker 1: It's like uh oh, by the way, It's not like 731 00:41:49,160 --> 00:41:51,439 Speaker 1: these are the only thirteen. I'm sure they're just gonna 732 00:41:51,480 --> 00:41:54,040 Speaker 1: keep adding to it as as they're successful and people 733 00:41:54,200 --> 00:41:57,800 Speaker 1: get excited. I mean, um, you know, who knows the 734 00:41:57,840 --> 00:42:02,520 Speaker 1: sky's the limit And maybe maybe maybe maybe the Women's Open, 735 00:42:02,680 --> 00:42:05,600 Speaker 1: you know, that doesn't require the infrastructure and it doesn't 736 00:42:05,600 --> 00:42:09,600 Speaker 1: have the crowd demands, and maybe they'll figure out a 737 00:42:09,600 --> 00:42:12,440 Speaker 1: way they could do a US Open with limited crowds. 738 00:42:12,440 --> 00:42:16,160 Speaker 1: Like you know, Marion, Um, you just just except you're 739 00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:17,960 Speaker 1: only gonna have ten thousand fans a day and you're 740 00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:21,120 Speaker 1: not gonna make as much, but you're given something back 741 00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:24,360 Speaker 1: that's really special to golf fans. So this, this is 742 00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:27,120 Speaker 1: a long term relationship that I think is going to 743 00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:31,680 Speaker 1: be um evolving and and there'll be more exciting surprises 744 00:42:31,719 --> 00:42:35,760 Speaker 1: and well, there's twenty four new rooms that are opening 745 00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:38,080 Speaker 1: up next week. Mike is on his way to Bandon 746 00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:41,600 Speaker 1: Dunes to to see those. They've got another forty eight 747 00:42:41,680 --> 00:42:46,359 Speaker 1: rooms that they're building. Uh, and they're building a new 748 00:42:46,360 --> 00:42:50,640 Speaker 1: clubhouse overlooking the eighteenth hole of Old McDonald. It's gonna 749 00:42:50,640 --> 00:42:53,160 Speaker 1: be there's gonna be a steakhouse there. There's gonna be 750 00:42:53,239 --> 00:42:58,560 Speaker 1: another punch bowl near Old McDonald. If he builds the 751 00:42:58,680 --> 00:43:03,120 Speaker 1: sixth golf course, Um, he's gonna need in his mind, 752 00:43:03,160 --> 00:43:07,960 Speaker 1: he needs another to another seventy two rooms at the minimum. 753 00:43:08,200 --> 00:43:11,640 Speaker 1: Um that he's looking to expand on. Um. They have 754 00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:15,919 Speaker 1: a they've bought an old motel in the town abandoned 755 00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:19,320 Speaker 1: that if they get the permitting approved, they could potentially 756 00:43:19,520 --> 00:43:23,040 Speaker 1: renovate and restore and and add another thirty two rooms. 757 00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:27,080 Speaker 1: Uh there. So UM, when you say there's more to come, 758 00:43:27,239 --> 00:43:31,680 Speaker 1: I mean there's more to come. And I just want 759 00:43:31,680 --> 00:43:34,839 Speaker 1: to make the I was just gonna make the point 760 00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:36,640 Speaker 1: that I mean the excitement starts now right. I mean, 761 00:43:36,640 --> 00:43:42,680 Speaker 1: there's thirteen championships coming stretching all the way to next 762 00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:45,880 Speaker 1: year Junior M. And they made that, you know, this 763 00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:49,279 Speaker 1: announcement today as the Junior M is going on, just 764 00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:52,399 Speaker 1: finished the stroke play rounds. I want to shout out 765 00:43:52,520 --> 00:43:56,480 Speaker 1: Kelly Chen who dropped a course record sixty four at 766 00:43:56,480 --> 00:44:00,759 Speaker 1: the country Club of North Carolina Dogwood Course. Yes, your day. 767 00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:05,000 Speaker 1: Um this tournaments, no, Joe, there's no regular junior golf tournament. 768 00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:07,239 Speaker 1: I mean going back, you know, looking at the finalists 769 00:44:07,640 --> 00:44:10,440 Speaker 1: since Min Wooley, who just wants got a show, ben 770 00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:16,279 Speaker 1: Zalator's Scheffler, actually Battia, Matt Wolf Speed j T. And 771 00:44:16,280 --> 00:44:19,320 Speaker 1: then going beyond that, of course you know Tiger mayhand 772 00:44:19,560 --> 00:44:22,600 Speaker 1: badly a slew of guys. So I mean these are 773 00:44:23,480 --> 00:44:27,919 Speaker 1: h the stars of tomorrow and that's happening next year. Yeah, 774 00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:29,880 Speaker 1: And it's just it's all as part of the brand. 775 00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:35,560 Speaker 1: I mean, kids, women, uh, seniors. I mean, Bandon is 776 00:44:35,600 --> 00:44:39,240 Speaker 1: just a very inclusive place, and that's why the slate 777 00:44:39,320 --> 00:44:43,880 Speaker 1: of tournaments is uh so fitting. You know, it's not 778 00:44:43,960 --> 00:44:46,520 Speaker 1: just the best of the best. It's not like they're 779 00:44:46,520 --> 00:44:48,480 Speaker 1: saying we're either we get a US Open or nothing. 780 00:44:48,600 --> 00:44:50,920 Speaker 1: You know, it's like, bring it, give us all your 781 00:44:50,920 --> 00:44:55,840 Speaker 1: tournaments that are neglected and underpublicized. Let's make him a 782 00:44:55,880 --> 00:44:57,840 Speaker 1: big deal and let's get people excited about him, and 783 00:44:58,040 --> 00:45:00,799 Speaker 1: let's let's serve all these different kinds teachum ins and 784 00:45:01,360 --> 00:45:03,880 Speaker 1: it's just uh it's it's the perfect slate for for 785 00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:06,439 Speaker 1: abandoned dunes. And by the way, those are those are 786 00:45:06,640 --> 00:45:08,880 Speaker 1: you know, the most fun to watch. I've gotten to 787 00:45:08,880 --> 00:45:12,000 Speaker 1: to work you know, the usg events with Fox Sports 788 00:45:12,200 --> 00:45:16,399 Speaker 1: for five years from to nineteen. I got to work 789 00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:18,479 Speaker 1: the US Opens and those were fun but long days. 790 00:45:18,520 --> 00:45:21,239 Speaker 1: I was in the TV compound. It's obviously a lot 791 00:45:21,320 --> 00:45:23,919 Speaker 1: going on that week, uh, and for the patrons as well. 792 00:45:24,600 --> 00:45:27,360 Speaker 1: But my favorite events were you know, Curtis Cup, Walker Cup, 793 00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:30,040 Speaker 1: the amateurs. You get to go out there, you getting 794 00:45:30,440 --> 00:45:33,360 Speaker 1: you know, talk to the families and friends that are 795 00:45:33,400 --> 00:45:35,440 Speaker 1: following the players. You can walk out on the fairways, 796 00:45:35,480 --> 00:45:37,920 Speaker 1: you can dip into the press conferences, and you can 797 00:45:37,960 --> 00:45:40,239 Speaker 1: even talk to the players after the round. Um. It's 798 00:45:40,239 --> 00:45:44,280 Speaker 1: just such a a different environment, um and very enjoyable 799 00:45:44,440 --> 00:45:48,799 Speaker 1: for for the spectator. So I would advise to go, well, 800 00:45:48,920 --> 00:45:53,760 Speaker 1: you know, back, you know, back to Pinehurst, Royal Dornick 801 00:45:53,840 --> 00:45:59,000 Speaker 1: being Kaiser's original model in which he was like, wow, 802 00:45:59,040 --> 00:46:01,920 Speaker 1: ten thousand North Americans make the trek to Royal Dornick 803 00:46:01,960 --> 00:46:04,239 Speaker 1: every year. Well, maybe if I build something in a 804 00:46:04,280 --> 00:46:07,680 Speaker 1: remote location, we can get ten thousand North Americans to 805 00:46:07,760 --> 00:46:12,000 Speaker 1: go to you know, southern Oregon, which then ended up 806 00:46:12,040 --> 00:46:16,040 Speaker 1: becoming twenty north North American people making that trick, which 807 00:46:16,120 --> 00:46:19,960 Speaker 1: ended up being the justification why he would build a 808 00:46:19,960 --> 00:46:24,680 Speaker 1: second course. But you've got Dornick Ross, Ross goes to Pinehurst, 809 00:46:25,480 --> 00:46:30,400 Speaker 1: kid from Scotland goes to Band and uh Pinehers and 810 00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:33,480 Speaker 1: Band and become, as you you've put it, alan like 811 00:46:33,520 --> 00:46:37,040 Speaker 1: an arms race in terms of greatness, as you know, 812 00:46:37,160 --> 00:46:42,200 Speaker 1: as it is for the avid amateur golfer. Um one 813 00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:46,200 Speaker 1: starting a putting course, one doing another putting one doing 814 00:46:46,200 --> 00:46:48,400 Speaker 1: a short course, the other one doing a short course. 815 00:46:48,480 --> 00:46:52,279 Speaker 1: This has been you know, the the the architects Core 816 00:46:52,360 --> 00:46:55,359 Speaker 1: and Crenshaw there. Then you know Bill Core and Ben 817 00:46:55,440 --> 00:47:00,319 Speaker 1: come back to Pineers to redo and restore number two. Um, 818 00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:07,239 Speaker 1: it's just there's this beautiful connective tissue in which you 819 00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:10,359 Speaker 1: can take it all the way back to Ross who 820 00:47:10,480 --> 00:47:12,800 Speaker 1: worked with old Tom wa I mean, this just really 821 00:47:12,960 --> 00:47:15,520 Speaker 1: is golf as it was meant to be. And I 822 00:47:15,560 --> 00:47:21,680 Speaker 1: think American golf and architecture got sideways and lost its 823 00:47:21,719 --> 00:47:27,960 Speaker 1: way for decades as people were trying to innovate and 824 00:47:27,960 --> 00:47:32,799 Speaker 1: and create real estate in which they could sell houses 825 00:47:32,840 --> 00:47:36,880 Speaker 1: around golf. And I think what Mike did was reset 826 00:47:36,960 --> 00:47:41,600 Speaker 1: that narrative and reset that path, uh for the next 827 00:47:41,640 --> 00:47:45,000 Speaker 1: you know, for the next hundred years. As now everything 828 00:47:45,080 --> 00:47:50,040 Speaker 1: is being redone and reimagined, and and people are gravitating 829 00:47:50,120 --> 00:47:56,000 Speaker 1: towards what really matters, which is golf first, golf as 830 00:47:56,000 --> 00:48:00,799 Speaker 1: it was meant to be ore here, m I mean, 831 00:48:01,400 --> 00:48:06,719 Speaker 1: it's amazing and we win, always saying like we you know, 832 00:48:06,719 --> 00:48:08,720 Speaker 1: I've always said if I wrote a book about Kaiser, 833 00:48:08,800 --> 00:48:11,320 Speaker 1: would I would always say what do we think? Because 834 00:48:11,360 --> 00:48:15,520 Speaker 1: that's the way he approaches almost any decision. He pulls 835 00:48:15,680 --> 00:48:18,200 Speaker 1: the group of people that he's assembled to say what 836 00:48:18,239 --> 00:48:22,480 Speaker 1: do we think? And then he listens to what everybody thinks, 837 00:48:22,880 --> 00:48:26,319 Speaker 1: and then he ultimately makes the decision. But the decisions 838 00:48:26,360 --> 00:48:29,800 Speaker 1: he has made as it relates to what we have 839 00:48:30,920 --> 00:48:34,400 Speaker 1: uh certainly abandoned dunes and now what his sons are 840 00:48:34,440 --> 00:48:37,000 Speaker 1: doing in Sand Valley, and what Ben Calander has done 841 00:48:37,040 --> 00:48:39,799 Speaker 1: with you know, Cabot, and now what will be Cabots St. Louis, 842 00:48:40,120 --> 00:48:43,080 Speaker 1: Cabot St. Lucia just continued. The ripple effect here is happening. 843 00:48:43,120 --> 00:48:45,680 Speaker 1: And I should also note that I spoke to Michael 844 00:48:45,719 --> 00:48:49,560 Speaker 1: Kaiser earlier today as well. Mike's oldest son who he 845 00:48:49,600 --> 00:48:53,920 Speaker 1: and Chris. Michael and Chris Kaiser are are the owners 846 00:48:53,960 --> 00:48:57,319 Speaker 1: of Sand Valley. And I asked Michael before I got 847 00:48:57,400 --> 00:48:59,600 Speaker 1: Mike on the phone, to say, hey, on behalf of 848 00:48:59,800 --> 00:49:03,120 Speaker 1: the Kaiser family, what's your comments on these you know, 849 00:49:03,320 --> 00:49:06,280 Speaker 1: these U s g A events and then the idea 850 00:49:06,280 --> 00:49:09,440 Speaker 1: of a sixth course. And he said, look, I'm happy 851 00:49:09,480 --> 00:49:12,480 Speaker 1: to talk to you, but I'm going to defer to 852 00:49:12,520 --> 00:49:17,000 Speaker 1: my dad on on his comments about his baby, which 853 00:49:17,040 --> 00:49:20,440 Speaker 1: is banned in dunes. I don't feel comfortable being the 854 00:49:20,520 --> 00:49:24,200 Speaker 1: voice of our family speaking on behalf of of the 855 00:49:24,239 --> 00:49:27,719 Speaker 1: news out abandoned Dunes on both fronts, because this is 856 00:49:27,760 --> 00:49:30,920 Speaker 1: my dad's this is my dad's vision, this is my 857 00:49:31,000 --> 00:49:33,480 Speaker 1: dad's creation, and this is you know, in large part 858 00:49:33,560 --> 00:49:36,000 Speaker 1: going to be a big part of my dad's legacy. 859 00:49:36,080 --> 00:49:39,239 Speaker 1: I mean that that that just shows I mean that 860 00:49:39,360 --> 00:49:41,239 Speaker 1: just shows you just sort of the quality of all 861 00:49:41,280 --> 00:49:44,480 Speaker 1: that Mike Kaiser is telling you about Josh Lesnik and 862 00:49:44,520 --> 00:49:47,040 Speaker 1: Mike Davis and Michael Kaiser is telling you about this 863 00:49:47,080 --> 00:49:50,000 Speaker 1: is my dad. And you know there's nobody out there 864 00:49:50,120 --> 00:49:54,640 Speaker 1: banging chest and grandstanding about this is about me. Everybody's 865 00:49:54,680 --> 00:49:58,880 Speaker 1: talking about how it's about everybody else, and it's a 866 00:49:59,239 --> 00:50:02,600 Speaker 1: it's it's you feel when you go there, that what 867 00:50:02,719 --> 00:50:06,880 Speaker 1: it really is about is about us, is about our 868 00:50:07,440 --> 00:50:11,880 Speaker 1: experience and our opportunity for that kind of camaraderie that 869 00:50:11,920 --> 00:50:16,400 Speaker 1: you talked about, those memorable experiences, those moments with loved 870 00:50:16,400 --> 00:50:20,080 Speaker 1: ones and family and friends, and I mean, and that 871 00:50:20,719 --> 00:50:24,160 Speaker 1: desire that as you're driving away you want to sob 872 00:50:24,239 --> 00:50:27,560 Speaker 1: like a child because it's coming to an end and 873 00:50:27,600 --> 00:50:32,239 Speaker 1: you can't wait to go back. Well, that's perfect way 874 00:50:32,239 --> 00:50:35,200 Speaker 1: to end it. I mean, that's well said, Maddie. It's 875 00:50:35,239 --> 00:50:39,080 Speaker 1: it's a special place to all of us. So, um, 876 00:50:39,120 --> 00:50:41,040 Speaker 1: you know, it's just it's a great day for golfers. 877 00:50:41,080 --> 00:50:43,319 Speaker 1: But what can you say. It's uh, it's something to 878 00:50:43,320 --> 00:50:47,360 Speaker 1: celebrate for so many different reasons. And it's fun to 879 00:50:47,400 --> 00:50:50,160 Speaker 1: kick it around because this just makes I haven't thought 880 00:50:50,160 --> 00:50:52,520 Speaker 1: about abandoned, you know, in a couple of days until 881 00:50:52,600 --> 00:50:55,040 Speaker 1: today is it's like, oh my god, we gotta get 882 00:50:55,040 --> 00:50:56,880 Speaker 1: back there. Wait how many months is it? You know? 883 00:50:56,960 --> 00:51:01,360 Speaker 1: It's like uh so yeah, it's uh, it's it's a celebration, 884 00:51:01,440 --> 00:51:03,600 Speaker 1: that's what it is. I'll leave you with this. Mike 885 00:51:03,840 --> 00:51:06,360 Speaker 1: actually painted this picture for me. He goes he was 886 00:51:06,440 --> 00:51:08,799 Speaker 1: most excited about the juniors, by the way of all 887 00:51:08,840 --> 00:51:13,239 Speaker 1: the people, the boys and girls. Uh, you know, amateur 888 00:51:13,280 --> 00:51:17,520 Speaker 1: events there is what he's so excited about it. He goes, Maddie, 889 00:51:18,239 --> 00:51:22,440 Speaker 1: can you imagine one day the idea of band and 890 00:51:22,560 --> 00:51:29,160 Speaker 1: Janella playing a junior championship at Bandon Dunes and you'ro 891 00:51:29,440 --> 00:51:33,040 Speaker 1: out there on his bag, you know, as you know, 892 00:51:33,040 --> 00:51:35,560 Speaker 1: knowing the golf courses like you know, him trying to 893 00:51:35,600 --> 00:51:37,600 Speaker 1: coach your son around it. And I was like, all right, 894 00:51:37,640 --> 00:51:40,359 Speaker 1: that said, you gotta stop it. You know, that's too much, 895 00:51:40,520 --> 00:51:43,040 Speaker 1: too much for me to handle. Can you imagine Bandon 896 00:51:43,120 --> 00:51:46,520 Speaker 1: at Bandon winning a championship? So he did paint that 897 00:51:46,560 --> 00:51:48,560 Speaker 1: a little picture. So now that's all I can think about, 898 00:51:48,600 --> 00:51:50,560 Speaker 1: and I'll probably be dreaming about it for the next 899 00:51:51,480 --> 00:51:54,400 Speaker 1: decades to come. You're gonna be telling Bannon to put it. 900 00:51:54,560 --> 00:52:01,440 Speaker 1: You're gonna that's a gamester. I look forward to writing, Uh, 901 00:52:01,640 --> 00:52:06,359 Speaker 1: Colt will Philip and edit. Yeah, we got it all right, boys, 902 00:52:06,360 --> 00:52:13,360 Speaker 1: this was fun. Thanks hopefully we're there. 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