1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,920 Speaker 1: I'm Christian Ponder and this is the NFL Player's Second 2 00:00:02,920 --> 00:00:16,560 Speaker 1: Acts Podcast. What's going on, everybody? 3 00:00:16,760 --> 00:00:20,560 Speaker 2: I'm Charles Penut Tillman, and this is the NFL Player's. 4 00:00:20,239 --> 00:00:23,120 Speaker 1: Second Acts Podcast. And with me as always, I got 5 00:00:23,160 --> 00:00:25,599 Speaker 1: my guy Ruhlman Harbor. You're giving me Miami vice vibes 6 00:00:25,680 --> 00:00:28,240 Speaker 1: right now with this outfit. I'm loving it. It's dope, 7 00:00:28,400 --> 00:00:29,480 Speaker 1: hey man, appreciate it. Man. 8 00:00:30,280 --> 00:00:32,840 Speaker 3: It's two places you can wear white pants three hundred 9 00:00:32,840 --> 00:00:33,879 Speaker 3: and sixty five days. 10 00:00:33,640 --> 00:00:34,040 Speaker 1: Of the year. 11 00:00:34,880 --> 00:00:38,040 Speaker 3: Miami's number one and Vegas is number two. So boom, 12 00:00:38,040 --> 00:00:38,640 Speaker 3: I'm in. 13 00:00:39,320 --> 00:00:43,080 Speaker 1: All right, So we got a good one. NFC North. 14 00:00:43,240 --> 00:00:46,400 Speaker 2: This guy twelfth round pick, excuse me, twelfth pick overall 15 00:00:46,479 --> 00:00:48,360 Speaker 2: in a twenty eleven draft. 16 00:00:48,880 --> 00:00:51,519 Speaker 1: Florida State, played six years in the. 17 00:00:51,560 --> 00:00:56,120 Speaker 2: League, Broncos forty nine ers and the Vikings. He is 18 00:00:56,160 --> 00:00:59,440 Speaker 2: a smart guy, bachelor's degree in finance, got his NBA 19 00:01:00,080 --> 00:01:03,360 Speaker 2: all from Florida State. He recently founded the Post, a 20 00:01:03,480 --> 00:01:07,760 Speaker 2: private membership network connecting athletes turned business leaders, ladies and gentlemen. 21 00:01:07,880 --> 00:01:10,440 Speaker 2: Christian Pond appreciate nice. 22 00:01:11,640 --> 00:01:13,760 Speaker 3: I mean hold on, like you said, like he's a 23 00:01:13,800 --> 00:01:15,800 Speaker 3: smart guy, like other guys aren't. 24 00:01:16,480 --> 00:01:18,640 Speaker 1: I didn't no, no, no, here's no, no, no, let 25 00:01:18,640 --> 00:01:19,480 Speaker 1: me let me let me clay. 26 00:01:19,680 --> 00:01:24,480 Speaker 2: So two and a half years and a half years, 27 00:01:25,200 --> 00:01:27,240 Speaker 2: that's that's that's that's, that's it. 28 00:01:27,560 --> 00:01:29,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, I love Florida State. But it was also it 29 00:01:29,680 --> 00:01:33,119 Speaker 1: wasn't Stanford, so he to have. 30 00:01:35,640 --> 00:01:37,640 Speaker 2: Two and a half two and a half was graduating 31 00:01:37,680 --> 00:01:39,640 Speaker 2: three and a half. Trust me, I ain't the smartest 32 00:01:40,120 --> 00:01:41,840 Speaker 2: tool in the in the in the thing where you 33 00:01:41,920 --> 00:01:45,160 Speaker 2: keep on twols and ship. But yeah again I did 34 00:01:45,280 --> 00:01:47,080 Speaker 2: mine in three and a half, not two and a half. 35 00:01:47,160 --> 00:01:49,560 Speaker 2: And you're traveling playing like that's it's a lot. 36 00:01:50,160 --> 00:01:51,160 Speaker 1: I'm smarter than peanuts. 37 00:01:51,240 --> 00:01:54,600 Speaker 2: That's basically saying basically, that's a that's a lot to do. 38 00:01:54,800 --> 00:01:56,360 Speaker 2: That's all I'm saying, that's a lot to do. 39 00:01:56,480 --> 00:01:56,960 Speaker 1: I agree. 40 00:01:57,520 --> 00:02:00,400 Speaker 3: First of all, I just tell me this, what was 41 00:02:00,440 --> 00:02:02,520 Speaker 3: your first welcome to the NFL moment? 42 00:02:03,120 --> 00:02:06,240 Speaker 1: I think it was actually playing against the Bears and 43 00:02:06,400 --> 00:02:10,200 Speaker 1: it was my rookie year and Donovan you know, so 44 00:02:10,720 --> 00:02:12,720 Speaker 1: I was the lockout, you right, So got drafted. We 45 00:02:12,760 --> 00:02:15,360 Speaker 1: didn't do anything until training camp, and we didn't have 46 00:02:15,400 --> 00:02:17,720 Speaker 1: a veteran guy, so like, what was it, I think 47 00:02:18,280 --> 00:02:20,520 Speaker 1: less than a week before training game started finally lockout ended. 48 00:02:20,520 --> 00:02:23,480 Speaker 1: They greeted CBA and so they immediately signed Donminan mcnam 49 00:02:23,480 --> 00:02:25,560 Speaker 1: and Donovan came in. He was a veteran guy, got 50 00:02:25,560 --> 00:02:29,079 Speaker 1: to learn from him. And it was six game of 51 00:02:29,080 --> 00:02:32,000 Speaker 1: the year. I think we played Chicago and we got smoked, 52 00:02:32,560 --> 00:02:35,400 Speaker 1: and so I went in fourth quarter, maybe even late third, 53 00:02:35,480 --> 00:02:38,359 Speaker 1: and I just remember I had ran up the middle 54 00:02:38,639 --> 00:02:40,720 Speaker 1: and the first tackle I ever had in the NFL, 55 00:02:40,720 --> 00:02:42,359 Speaker 1: I got tackled by Bryannerlecker and I was like, oh, 56 00:02:42,560 --> 00:02:47,240 Speaker 1: all right, cool on go of Washington, you know. And 57 00:02:47,240 --> 00:02:49,760 Speaker 1: and so that was a pretty a pretty cool moment. 58 00:02:49,919 --> 00:02:52,320 Speaker 1: And just to get in and play like that was 59 00:02:52,440 --> 00:02:54,280 Speaker 1: it was awesome. But was it like a star stort 60 00:02:54,360 --> 00:02:56,360 Speaker 1: moment too when you got it? Wasn't. It was kind 61 00:02:56,360 --> 00:02:57,600 Speaker 1: of like one of those things like I got hit 62 00:02:57,680 --> 00:02:59,160 Speaker 1: and I'm talking back with the huddle and I looked back, 63 00:02:59,240 --> 00:03:00,800 Speaker 1: I was like, oh that was they were like her, 64 00:03:00,840 --> 00:03:02,640 Speaker 1: you know. So it wasn't like, you know, it's like 65 00:03:02,639 --> 00:03:04,560 Speaker 1: once you get out there, like you don't get star 66 00:03:04,639 --> 00:03:08,240 Speaker 1: truck anymore. It was just more of like, wow, I 67 00:03:08,320 --> 00:03:10,280 Speaker 1: made this moment, you know, like I'm here. 68 00:03:10,360 --> 00:03:13,400 Speaker 2: So, yeah, do you remember playing the Saints, you remember 69 00:03:13,480 --> 00:03:14,720 Speaker 2: do you remember going against Chris. 70 00:03:15,440 --> 00:03:20,240 Speaker 1: You guys beat us at home? Yes, I think you 71 00:03:20,320 --> 00:03:22,720 Speaker 1: had two sacks, but one of your sacks was appilled. 72 00:03:22,960 --> 00:03:26,079 Speaker 1: You got he They always hating on me, dog. Well, 73 00:03:26,120 --> 00:03:29,160 Speaker 1: they said you were a dirty player. I agree, that's 74 00:03:29,200 --> 00:03:31,920 Speaker 1: what they said. All defensive guys are dirty. 75 00:03:31,560 --> 00:03:35,760 Speaker 3: I'm just glad because I think later on that year 76 00:03:36,000 --> 00:03:37,560 Speaker 3: that you guys don't broke. 77 00:03:38,520 --> 00:03:41,760 Speaker 2: That was the year before, so we were supposed to play, y'all. 78 00:03:42,080 --> 00:03:44,080 Speaker 2: That was the year before, and they had to move 79 00:03:44,160 --> 00:03:45,960 Speaker 2: the game. Yeah, it was not fun. 80 00:03:46,080 --> 00:03:48,520 Speaker 3: It was I had to play outside in Minnesota, like 81 00:03:48,760 --> 00:03:50,080 Speaker 3: a University of Minnesota. 82 00:03:50,200 --> 00:03:52,360 Speaker 1: Like yeah, that was yeah. That was when they built 83 00:03:52,360 --> 00:03:55,000 Speaker 1: they're building a new stadium, so they tore down the 84 00:03:55,040 --> 00:03:56,680 Speaker 1: old stadium and we had to play at University of 85 00:03:56,680 --> 00:03:59,720 Speaker 1: Minnesota for two years. And I remember we played the Jets. 86 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:01,320 Speaker 1: I think it was a Jets at home, and it 87 00:04:01,400 --> 00:04:04,280 Speaker 1: was you know, a high eleven degrees. And I remember, like, 88 00:04:04,960 --> 00:04:07,080 Speaker 1: you know, the offensive line guys right there, all tough. 89 00:04:07,080 --> 00:04:08,760 Speaker 1: They don't wear sleeves. I'm like, well, I can't wear 90 00:04:08,800 --> 00:04:10,960 Speaker 1: sleeves going out here for warm ups. I couldn't do 91 00:04:11,000 --> 00:04:12,800 Speaker 1: the ball because like my arm was numb. I'm like, 92 00:04:12,880 --> 00:04:16,320 Speaker 1: you idiot, Like, am I gonna put sleeves on? 93 00:04:17,040 --> 00:04:17,160 Speaker 2: Uh? 94 00:04:17,680 --> 00:04:19,080 Speaker 1: Yeah? So that was that was good. 95 00:04:19,720 --> 00:04:21,800 Speaker 2: So that's the thing that people don't realize. So we 96 00:04:21,800 --> 00:04:23,280 Speaker 2: were the same when in Chicago. I'm sure they're the 97 00:04:23,279 --> 00:04:25,960 Speaker 2: same way in Green Bay. Like it's it's a it's 98 00:04:25,960 --> 00:04:28,000 Speaker 2: a mindset, like you just know, we go tough for 99 00:04:28,040 --> 00:04:30,200 Speaker 2: that we in the cold. First time I did it, 100 00:04:30,680 --> 00:04:33,280 Speaker 2: like you, I froze. I had to put some sleeves on. 101 00:04:33,480 --> 00:04:36,359 Speaker 2: And then after that, the defensive cats, the Brian relax. 102 00:04:36,800 --> 00:04:38,520 Speaker 2: They would not leave me alone. And then it was 103 00:04:38,560 --> 00:04:40,640 Speaker 2: just like all right, I gotta just I got a 104 00:04:40,680 --> 00:04:42,159 Speaker 2: man up and just I gotta get used to this. 105 00:04:42,240 --> 00:04:43,640 Speaker 1: I just got to embrace the cold. Did you wor 106 00:04:43,680 --> 00:04:46,040 Speaker 1: gloves when you played it? No? No, I didn't. I 107 00:04:46,080 --> 00:04:48,159 Speaker 1: tried it. I just I never got the confidence that like, 108 00:04:48,160 --> 00:04:51,880 Speaker 1: because it felt different, right yeah, So if you get 109 00:04:51,880 --> 00:04:53,760 Speaker 1: comfortable with it and you're confident with it, fine, but 110 00:04:53,839 --> 00:04:55,520 Speaker 1: I never did it, and so I would try and 111 00:04:55,560 --> 00:04:58,159 Speaker 1: practice and it just yeah, you make one back throw 112 00:04:58,200 --> 00:04:59,600 Speaker 1: and it's like all right, I gotta take this off right, 113 00:04:59,680 --> 00:05:01,960 Speaker 1: like the he's in your head and you can't couldn't 114 00:05:02,000 --> 00:05:04,080 Speaker 1: do it anymore. What do you remember most about that 115 00:05:04,160 --> 00:05:07,960 Speaker 1: twenty eleven season with Adrian Peterson and just handing the 116 00:05:08,000 --> 00:05:11,880 Speaker 1: ball off and just watching him just create poetry in motion. Yeah, 117 00:05:11,920 --> 00:05:15,320 Speaker 1: obviously he was unbelievable and still looks like he can 118 00:05:15,400 --> 00:05:18,840 Speaker 1: go play and he I think the first thing he 119 00:05:18,839 --> 00:05:20,440 Speaker 1: stood out to me was like in training game and 120 00:05:20,440 --> 00:05:22,720 Speaker 1: like walk through, Like the guy's one speed, right, even 121 00:05:22,720 --> 00:05:24,400 Speaker 1: in walk through it's like he's ripping your arm off 122 00:05:24,480 --> 00:05:28,520 Speaker 1: when you're handing the ball. And yeah, he was. And 123 00:05:28,560 --> 00:05:31,200 Speaker 1: obviously seeing highlights. I grew up in Texas and so 124 00:05:31,360 --> 00:05:33,840 Speaker 1: seeing his high school highlights, see him go to Oklahoma 125 00:05:33,839 --> 00:05:35,320 Speaker 1: and watching his career and then being able to play 126 00:05:35,360 --> 00:05:39,000 Speaker 1: with him. He was such a beast, but also one 127 00:05:39,040 --> 00:05:41,359 Speaker 1: of the most humble and nice guys to be around. 128 00:05:41,400 --> 00:05:44,520 Speaker 1: And just the way that he went about his work 129 00:05:44,560 --> 00:05:46,960 Speaker 1: and then see him come back from the acl and 130 00:05:47,080 --> 00:05:50,400 Speaker 1: you know, have two thousand yards like he. It was 131 00:05:50,440 --> 00:05:52,800 Speaker 1: tremendous to be his teammate and have a front row 132 00:05:52,839 --> 00:05:55,960 Speaker 1: seat to watching him play. Now did he ever? Ever? 133 00:05:56,000 --> 00:05:58,800 Speaker 2: So we all know about the handshake, right, Yeah, we 134 00:05:58,800 --> 00:06:00,640 Speaker 2: were some other a little bit earlier before you got here. 135 00:06:01,120 --> 00:06:03,840 Speaker 2: What did you what was your first, what is your 136 00:06:03,839 --> 00:06:05,560 Speaker 2: first thought when you when you sugar sand for the 137 00:06:05,560 --> 00:06:05,960 Speaker 2: first time? 138 00:06:06,200 --> 00:06:12,480 Speaker 1: Introduction, introduce yourself. I don't guess it on purpose, Like 139 00:06:12,760 --> 00:06:15,040 Speaker 1: just similar, he's like dominance, you know, like it's that 140 00:06:15,120 --> 00:06:18,520 Speaker 1: he's the alpha male in this in this relationship. But 141 00:06:18,600 --> 00:06:21,520 Speaker 1: it's like dang age. But that's like that was everything, 142 00:06:21,640 --> 00:06:23,400 Speaker 1: Like everything was at a whole other level. 143 00:06:23,680 --> 00:06:27,640 Speaker 3: So for for y'all listening and watching, it's common knowledge 144 00:06:27,640 --> 00:06:28,240 Speaker 3: in the NFL. 145 00:06:28,440 --> 00:06:30,120 Speaker 1: It's not even a myth. Everyone knows that. 146 00:06:30,200 --> 00:06:32,520 Speaker 2: Everyone's just like, I've never shaken his sand, but I 147 00:06:32,600 --> 00:06:33,839 Speaker 2: kind of want to shake a sand. 148 00:06:33,720 --> 00:06:37,359 Speaker 3: Because I heard it's it's so strong, he will break 149 00:06:37,400 --> 00:06:39,839 Speaker 3: somebody's hand. If you're not ready, you got to be 150 00:06:40,520 --> 00:06:42,479 Speaker 3: just don't. It's got to be on purpose, like he's 151 00:06:42,480 --> 00:06:43,919 Speaker 3: got it. He's got to know what he's. 152 00:06:43,760 --> 00:06:46,240 Speaker 1: Doing right, Like it's yeah, I think he knows that 153 00:06:46,279 --> 00:06:48,560 Speaker 1: everybody knows about it too, and so he just keeps 154 00:06:48,600 --> 00:06:49,880 Speaker 1: it going. He just won't go. 155 00:06:50,120 --> 00:06:53,080 Speaker 3: It's funny because you talked about how he was in 156 00:06:53,720 --> 00:06:56,560 Speaker 3: you know, even doing warm ups like walkthroughs. 157 00:06:56,920 --> 00:06:59,680 Speaker 1: I saw him at the Pro Bowl practice. 158 00:07:00,080 --> 00:07:02,520 Speaker 3: Uh, when I actually got to play in it, and 159 00:07:03,839 --> 00:07:06,000 Speaker 3: I was like, I was watching him practice, and of 160 00:07:06,000 --> 00:07:07,080 Speaker 3: course some guy's got. 161 00:07:07,000 --> 00:07:09,400 Speaker 1: Flip flops on. Nobody's going on, so chill. 162 00:07:09,520 --> 00:07:13,480 Speaker 3: It's like way down, doubt not him, No, And I'm 163 00:07:13,480 --> 00:07:15,480 Speaker 3: looking at him. I'm like, this dude might be the 164 00:07:15,480 --> 00:07:17,680 Speaker 3: prettiest running back I've ever seen in my life. 165 00:07:17,880 --> 00:07:19,240 Speaker 1: He looks like a thoroughbred. He said. 166 00:07:19,400 --> 00:07:21,440 Speaker 3: If I played for Minnesota, I give him the ball 167 00:07:21,480 --> 00:07:22,400 Speaker 3: forty five times a game. 168 00:07:22,480 --> 00:07:24,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, why not, you know. But what's so 169 00:07:24,640 --> 00:07:27,200 Speaker 1: interesting about him is like no knock an agent, But 170 00:07:27,240 --> 00:07:28,680 Speaker 1: have you ever seen him like shoot a basketball or 171 00:07:28,720 --> 00:07:29,320 Speaker 1: throw football? 172 00:07:29,400 --> 00:07:32,840 Speaker 2: No, Like he's he's a definition of like that's the knock. Yeah, 173 00:07:32,880 --> 00:07:35,080 Speaker 2: we can not going him ye keep going like. 174 00:07:37,120 --> 00:07:38,520 Speaker 1: One of the best athletes to ever be in the 175 00:07:38,560 --> 00:07:42,480 Speaker 1: running back position, right like they unblue while athlete, but 176 00:07:42,600 --> 00:07:45,240 Speaker 1: cannot shoot a basketball and cannot throw a ball just 177 00:07:45,280 --> 00:07:47,560 Speaker 1: a football, like just a running back, right, like in 178 00:07:47,600 --> 00:07:52,120 Speaker 1: the scope of his athleticism and right right, but like 179 00:07:52,320 --> 00:07:54,120 Speaker 1: you know, watch to shoot the basketball and you're like, 180 00:07:55,840 --> 00:07:58,120 Speaker 1: you know, like I did not know that. I never 181 00:07:58,160 --> 00:08:00,560 Speaker 1: guess that me, neither are you doing that? 182 00:08:01,600 --> 00:08:04,440 Speaker 2: That reminds me of like like a gymnast, Like a 183 00:08:04,440 --> 00:08:07,280 Speaker 2: lot of gymnasts they can only do what they do, 184 00:08:07,600 --> 00:08:10,400 Speaker 2: Like you put him in another sport, they're like, yeah, 185 00:08:10,600 --> 00:08:12,360 Speaker 2: it's not terrible. 186 00:08:12,920 --> 00:08:14,960 Speaker 1: They run with their arms like the judge, like someone's 187 00:08:14,960 --> 00:08:17,480 Speaker 1: athletic ability of like can you throw a ball? Right? 188 00:08:17,520 --> 00:08:19,840 Speaker 1: Like the most basic athletic move to me is like, yeah, 189 00:08:19,840 --> 00:08:21,640 Speaker 1: everyone can run, but can you throw? I guess not 190 00:08:21,680 --> 00:08:23,800 Speaker 1: everyone can run. You talked about it, like, yeah, some 191 00:08:23,880 --> 00:08:25,600 Speaker 1: people need to have friends that will tell the truth 192 00:08:25,640 --> 00:08:27,000 Speaker 1: that like, you look like an idiot when you run. 193 00:08:27,440 --> 00:08:31,120 Speaker 1: But like my assumption is Adrian started playing running back 194 00:08:31,160 --> 00:08:33,600 Speaker 1: and pee wee football at a very young age. Realized 195 00:08:33,640 --> 00:08:35,040 Speaker 1: he was really good and that was like his sole 196 00:08:35,080 --> 00:08:37,000 Speaker 1: focus for a long time. So probably didn't play basketball 197 00:08:37,000 --> 00:08:38,360 Speaker 1: growing up or baseball or whatever. 198 00:08:38,840 --> 00:08:42,400 Speaker 2: Basically, he's like small from the same lot. You're killing 199 00:08:42,400 --> 00:08:45,120 Speaker 2: me small, Like you're killing me Asian. It's like, come on, 200 00:08:45,160 --> 00:08:47,760 Speaker 2: you does he always just run the ball back like 201 00:08:47,800 --> 00:08:49,400 Speaker 2: the kid like you know, you tell the kid, the 202 00:08:49,440 --> 00:08:51,200 Speaker 2: little kid, like, don't. 203 00:08:51,000 --> 00:08:52,960 Speaker 1: Throw it back, Like, don't throw it back like they do. 204 00:08:53,400 --> 00:08:57,040 Speaker 3: It's like can't Like he just always runs all yeah, 205 00:08:57,200 --> 00:08:59,320 Speaker 3: it's crazy. I'm like, dude, you played in the league forever, 206 00:08:59,559 --> 00:09:01,040 Speaker 3: just never learned how to throw a ball. 207 00:09:01,440 --> 00:09:04,040 Speaker 2: So let's get away from football. We'll pivot and we'll 208 00:09:04,080 --> 00:09:08,280 Speaker 2: get into the your second act. So naturally we all retire, 209 00:09:08,440 --> 00:09:11,200 Speaker 2: we have to do something, you know, outside of football, 210 00:09:11,280 --> 00:09:14,640 Speaker 2: and particularly you, you got in a business. You got 211 00:09:14,640 --> 00:09:17,560 Speaker 2: your NBA from Florida State. Let me ask you this, 212 00:09:17,800 --> 00:09:21,559 Speaker 2: what really caused you or excuse me, what really inspired 213 00:09:21,600 --> 00:09:24,600 Speaker 2: you to get that NBA and go the direction in 214 00:09:24,640 --> 00:09:25,400 Speaker 2: the business field. 215 00:09:25,640 --> 00:09:28,920 Speaker 3: Talk about also getting it while in college playing football? 216 00:09:29,000 --> 00:09:33,560 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, graduating undergrad and a half years, 217 00:09:33,600 --> 00:09:35,040 Speaker 1: like you know, I was there. I took a rest 218 00:09:35,040 --> 00:09:36,679 Speaker 1: of years, so I was at floor tight for five years. 219 00:09:36,920 --> 00:09:39,079 Speaker 1: I came with a bunch of AP credits from high school. 220 00:09:39,120 --> 00:09:40,760 Speaker 1: So I think I started off pretty much as a 221 00:09:40,760 --> 00:09:43,079 Speaker 1: sophomore when I got you know, step foot on campus, 222 00:09:43,400 --> 00:09:46,480 Speaker 1: and so you know, I had interested in finance. My 223 00:09:46,559 --> 00:09:49,080 Speaker 1: dad was in finance growing up, and and so that's 224 00:09:49,280 --> 00:09:50,520 Speaker 1: what I figured I want to do is like a 225 00:09:50,559 --> 00:09:52,440 Speaker 1: generic business screed. Like I knew at some point right 226 00:09:52,440 --> 00:09:55,360 Speaker 1: football was gonna be over, and so did that finished 227 00:09:55,400 --> 00:09:58,240 Speaker 1: pretty quickly, and thought like, okay, it would be great 228 00:09:58,280 --> 00:10:01,840 Speaker 1: to get my MBA. Now I I do wish if 229 00:10:01,880 --> 00:10:04,360 Speaker 1: I did it differently, I kind of got my MBA 230 00:10:04,400 --> 00:10:06,920 Speaker 1: to check the box of like getting my MBA and 231 00:10:07,720 --> 00:10:11,200 Speaker 1: having a master's degree instead of like actually valid because 232 00:10:11,200 --> 00:10:12,960 Speaker 1: they suggest, like, you know, when you go get your MBA, 233 00:10:13,000 --> 00:10:14,920 Speaker 1: hopefully you have some working experience and then you go 234 00:10:14,960 --> 00:10:17,160 Speaker 1: back and get your MBA. And I think I would 235 00:10:17,200 --> 00:10:19,000 Speaker 1: have appreciated it more if I would have done that. 236 00:10:19,280 --> 00:10:21,360 Speaker 1: But I got it done, actually finished that, and then 237 00:10:21,360 --> 00:10:25,480 Speaker 1: start a second master's in sports administration sports management. I 238 00:10:25,480 --> 00:10:29,480 Speaker 1: don't think I'll ever go back and finish that, but yeah, 239 00:10:29,520 --> 00:10:31,160 Speaker 1: so I just I knew, right, I didn't know if 240 00:10:31,200 --> 00:10:32,400 Speaker 1: I was ever to make the NFL. I didn't know 241 00:10:32,400 --> 00:10:34,400 Speaker 1: how long my football career was going to be. So 242 00:10:34,440 --> 00:10:36,199 Speaker 1: I knew it was you know, while I was in school, 243 00:10:36,200 --> 00:10:38,160 Speaker 1: I had to take advantage of of free education and 244 00:10:38,520 --> 00:10:42,080 Speaker 1: or an earned education, and so that's that was a 245 00:10:42,080 --> 00:10:44,400 Speaker 1: focus for me. How far are you along in the 246 00:10:44,800 --> 00:10:47,800 Speaker 1: second master's degree. I think I'm about halfway through it, 247 00:10:47,960 --> 00:10:50,280 Speaker 1: you know. And I'll be honest, like when I finished 248 00:10:50,280 --> 00:10:52,560 Speaker 1: my MBA, I tried to go back into undergrad. I 249 00:10:52,600 --> 00:10:55,959 Speaker 1: try to take the undergrad sports management, just get a 250 00:10:56,040 --> 00:10:58,440 Speaker 1: bachelor's degree, because I thought like I earned it to 251 00:10:58,640 --> 00:11:01,720 Speaker 1: Coast for the rest of my educational career at Florida State. 252 00:11:02,160 --> 00:11:04,960 Speaker 1: And I made a comment in the newspaper over the 253 00:11:05,000 --> 00:11:07,680 Speaker 1: summer that said basically that like I earn a MBA. 254 00:11:08,400 --> 00:11:10,160 Speaker 1: You know, I'm trying to make this you know, this 255 00:11:10,240 --> 00:11:13,400 Speaker 1: last summer in fall of my senior year like just 256 00:11:13,480 --> 00:11:15,559 Speaker 1: solely focused on football. So I'm trying to take it easy. 257 00:11:15,600 --> 00:11:18,920 Speaker 1: I sign up for the undergrad sports management degree, and 258 00:11:19,040 --> 00:11:24,720 Speaker 1: the the head of the sports administration department, uh read it, 259 00:11:24,800 --> 00:11:29,440 Speaker 1: and I got an email and I had to go 260 00:11:29,480 --> 00:11:31,840 Speaker 1: meet with them, and they're like, look, you can't take 261 00:11:32,040 --> 00:11:34,480 Speaker 1: the undergrad you have to take the masters. And and 262 00:11:34,520 --> 00:11:36,679 Speaker 1: so basically like they for they said, you're too you're 263 00:11:36,720 --> 00:11:38,880 Speaker 1: overqualified to go back and get your bachelor's. Cree. So 264 00:11:38,920 --> 00:11:42,160 Speaker 1: they've made me take the master's program. And then I 265 00:11:42,280 --> 00:11:44,560 Speaker 1: swear like all the professors that have been deetted against me, 266 00:11:44,679 --> 00:11:47,080 Speaker 1: like you know, like it was like the worst ever 267 00:11:47,120 --> 00:11:49,680 Speaker 1: performed in school, Like it was like every grade was terrible. 268 00:11:51,360 --> 00:11:53,199 Speaker 1: So yeah, so I you know, I don't again, I 269 00:11:53,240 --> 00:11:54,480 Speaker 1: don't know if I ever go back. Yeah. 270 00:11:54,559 --> 00:11:56,600 Speaker 3: A little bit of advice, guys, Hey, look, if you're 271 00:11:56,640 --> 00:12:03,160 Speaker 3: ever out there, don't bridget bridges that don't talk about 272 00:12:03,200 --> 00:12:04,360 Speaker 3: you just want to coastal. 273 00:12:05,480 --> 00:12:07,640 Speaker 1: There's a difference between book smarts and street smarts, right, 274 00:12:07,720 --> 00:12:10,199 Speaker 1: So like I had the book Smarts, but actually opening 275 00:12:10,240 --> 00:12:12,840 Speaker 1: my mouth and saying that was a dumb movie. You 276 00:12:12,880 --> 00:12:16,240 Speaker 1: mentioned something Christian I thought was really interesting, which was you. 277 00:12:16,320 --> 00:12:18,680 Speaker 3: Wished that you would have had a little bit of 278 00:12:18,720 --> 00:12:20,760 Speaker 3: work experience before you got your NBA, so then you 279 00:12:20,760 --> 00:12:24,040 Speaker 3: could probably apply some things to each other. I was 280 00:12:24,040 --> 00:12:26,440 Speaker 3: one of those that didn't finish school, and I was 281 00:12:26,440 --> 00:12:28,600 Speaker 3: in school five years and I was like two credits short, 282 00:12:29,040 --> 00:12:31,880 Speaker 3: two classes short. I went back after my second year 283 00:12:31,880 --> 00:12:35,679 Speaker 3: in the NFL, and it was so much easier finishing 284 00:12:35,760 --> 00:12:39,560 Speaker 3: up my business degree because everything that we had questions 285 00:12:39,600 --> 00:12:42,440 Speaker 3: about I just used like football in his example, and 286 00:12:42,480 --> 00:12:45,360 Speaker 3: once you're understanding, like the football is a business at 287 00:12:45,400 --> 00:12:48,400 Speaker 3: the highest level, all this normal stuff that we're talking about, 288 00:12:48,640 --> 00:12:50,960 Speaker 3: Oh you can do it, and it just applies right over. 289 00:12:51,120 --> 00:12:53,360 Speaker 3: I just I want, what do you think about that? 290 00:12:54,200 --> 00:12:57,920 Speaker 3: Going back and like that's what you admired to do, 291 00:12:58,000 --> 00:12:59,480 Speaker 3: and I actually got to live with this kind. 292 00:12:59,320 --> 00:13:03,080 Speaker 1: Of yeah, probably greater appreciation for it, right. I think 293 00:13:03,120 --> 00:13:06,520 Speaker 1: when we're playing, it's like, well, football is my sense 294 00:13:06,520 --> 00:13:09,000 Speaker 1: of my purpose. That's why I'm here. I'm just going 295 00:13:09,040 --> 00:13:11,400 Speaker 1: to class to make sure I'm eligible to play. Right, 296 00:13:11,480 --> 00:13:15,080 Speaker 1: And you don't necessarily value and also like right, like 297 00:13:15,720 --> 00:13:18,880 Speaker 1: football requires so much of you, and so you are 298 00:13:18,960 --> 00:13:20,880 Speaker 1: often time to just check the box and get it 299 00:13:20,920 --> 00:13:22,600 Speaker 1: done so that you can take care of the things 300 00:13:22,600 --> 00:13:25,480 Speaker 1: on the field. And so I think going back afterwards, 301 00:13:25,520 --> 00:13:27,560 Speaker 1: I think you just have a great appreciation for the 302 00:13:27,600 --> 00:13:31,320 Speaker 1: actual learnings that you're experiencing in school, and you know, 303 00:13:31,440 --> 00:13:33,080 Speaker 1: mix it. It makes it more enjoyable. 304 00:13:33,679 --> 00:13:37,240 Speaker 3: We'll be back in a minute. So tell me about this, 305 00:13:38,040 --> 00:13:41,880 Speaker 3: I mean talking about things that are enjoyable the post. Yeah, 306 00:13:41,960 --> 00:13:44,040 Speaker 3: how did you transition into getting into that? 307 00:13:44,360 --> 00:13:45,440 Speaker 1: Maybe talk about a little bit. 308 00:13:45,559 --> 00:13:48,600 Speaker 3: How was the transition after leaving football and then going 309 00:13:48,640 --> 00:13:49,400 Speaker 3: in this direction. 310 00:13:49,720 --> 00:13:53,319 Speaker 1: Yeah, so, I you know, on paper, right, NBA com 311 00:13:53,400 --> 00:13:56,280 Speaker 1: under in finance, Like on paper, I thought I had together. 312 00:13:56,360 --> 00:13:58,520 Speaker 1: I knew I wanted to go into finance. You know. 313 00:13:58,520 --> 00:14:00,000 Speaker 1: My last year in league was sixteen with the Night 314 00:14:00,520 --> 00:14:02,240 Speaker 1: and then we moved to New York City in August 315 00:14:02,320 --> 00:14:04,959 Speaker 1: down seventeen. Thought, if I've been in finance, why not 316 00:14:05,000 --> 00:14:07,280 Speaker 1: move to financial capital? The world started on the wealth 317 00:14:07,280 --> 00:14:10,000 Speaker 1: management pathway and just about the days did angel investing 318 00:14:10,040 --> 00:14:12,960 Speaker 1: and got into venture capital, like shorted in in a 319 00:14:12,960 --> 00:14:15,480 Speaker 1: small hedge fune on the BIS film in side and 320 00:14:15,760 --> 00:14:19,960 Speaker 1: quickly realized that the transition sucked, you know, like it 321 00:14:20,040 --> 00:14:23,160 Speaker 1: was hard, and so I kind of started, were you 322 00:14:23,200 --> 00:14:25,640 Speaker 1: like feeling empty while you're doing all these things? Yeah, 323 00:14:25,680 --> 00:14:27,760 Speaker 1: as a void, right Like I had this void of 324 00:14:27,840 --> 00:14:30,000 Speaker 1: like I've been an athlete my whole life, right, It's 325 00:14:30,000 --> 00:14:31,720 Speaker 1: a huge part of my identity and how I operating 326 00:14:31,760 --> 00:14:34,680 Speaker 1: this world. And suddenly it was over or felt like 327 00:14:34,760 --> 00:14:36,200 Speaker 1: it was over, felt like it now was just reduced 328 00:14:36,200 --> 00:14:39,720 Speaker 1: to a past version of myself. And more importantly, and 329 00:14:40,000 --> 00:14:41,520 Speaker 1: you guys know this as you talked to some of guys, 330 00:14:41,520 --> 00:14:44,280 Speaker 1: like I missed the locker room, right, Like, I've been 331 00:14:44,440 --> 00:14:46,960 Speaker 1: part of a team in a locker room again, surrounded 332 00:14:46,960 --> 00:14:49,240 Speaker 1: by athletes. Athletes are my people, the people I knowst 333 00:14:49,240 --> 00:14:51,200 Speaker 1: in common with and enjoy being around the most. And 334 00:14:53,040 --> 00:14:54,080 Speaker 1: it was the first time in my life where it 335 00:14:54,120 --> 00:14:57,600 Speaker 1: was formally removed from that group. And so it was 336 00:14:57,800 --> 00:14:59,960 Speaker 1: it was hard. And I think what I also meant 337 00:15:00,360 --> 00:15:03,400 Speaker 1: is like I benefited from being around athletes. Right when 338 00:15:03,400 --> 00:15:05,000 Speaker 1: you're in a room w everyone's defined by their work 339 00:15:05,000 --> 00:15:07,520 Speaker 1: ethic and their grittiness and their competitiveness and their ambition 340 00:15:07,600 --> 00:15:11,400 Speaker 1: and drive. You know, it's behavioral psychology, Like we are 341 00:15:11,520 --> 00:15:13,440 Speaker 1: influenced by the people who we surround ourselves with. And 342 00:15:13,480 --> 00:15:15,160 Speaker 1: even in a place like New York City, which is 343 00:15:15,440 --> 00:15:20,040 Speaker 1: full of hard working, highly ambitious people, I couldn't find 344 00:15:20,040 --> 00:15:22,040 Speaker 1: things to fill the void. I joined different clubs and 345 00:15:22,120 --> 00:15:24,840 Speaker 1: networks like trying to find this home, this replacement for 346 00:15:24,880 --> 00:15:27,920 Speaker 1: the locker room, and I couldn't find it. And so 347 00:15:27,960 --> 00:15:30,280 Speaker 1: that that was kind of the seeds on the planned 348 00:15:30,320 --> 00:15:32,680 Speaker 1: for this idea of the post, which was really how 349 00:15:32,680 --> 00:15:36,680 Speaker 1: do we rebuild the locker room for for athletes? Right? 350 00:15:36,680 --> 00:15:40,160 Speaker 1: Like our whole thesis is number one. You know, there's 351 00:15:40,160 --> 00:15:44,320 Speaker 1: so many transferable skills that sports develops and athletes, right, 352 00:15:44,320 --> 00:15:46,760 Speaker 1: and there's so much compelling data around the outperformance of 353 00:15:46,800 --> 00:15:51,040 Speaker 1: athletes in business. People who've played college sports so are 354 00:15:51,120 --> 00:15:53,720 Speaker 1: definite of athletes, right, were exclusive to athletes, Our business 355 00:15:53,760 --> 00:15:56,200 Speaker 1: leaders are definitition of athletes anyone who played college sports. 356 00:15:56,840 --> 00:15:59,560 Speaker 1: And so people who played college sports the United States 357 00:15:59,560 --> 00:16:01,480 Speaker 1: only make up roughly one and a half percent of population. 358 00:16:01,520 --> 00:16:04,040 Speaker 1: It's a little over five million people. Oh wow, not 359 00:16:04,120 --> 00:16:07,080 Speaker 1: a lot, and yet that one and a half percent 360 00:16:07,360 --> 00:16:09,120 Speaker 1: accounts for fifty two percent of women in the C 361 00:16:09,160 --> 00:16:12,000 Speaker 1: suite today. Fifteen or last twenty one US presidents were 362 00:16:12,040 --> 00:16:14,200 Speaker 1: college athletes, and an outside the number of fortune, five 363 00:16:14,240 --> 00:16:17,320 Speaker 1: hundred CEOs are college athletes. And so you know society 364 00:16:17,360 --> 00:16:20,080 Speaker 1: still views athletes, right, is the dumb jock mentality? Right, 365 00:16:20,120 --> 00:16:22,120 Speaker 1: like you only went to school because you played football 366 00:16:22,200 --> 00:16:25,440 Speaker 1: or sports or whatever. Like your value is really high 367 00:16:25,480 --> 00:16:28,000 Speaker 1: when you're on the field, and then it's steeply downhill 368 00:16:28,040 --> 00:16:29,720 Speaker 1: when sports is over. And I think we all fight 369 00:16:29,720 --> 00:16:33,440 Speaker 1: this uphill battle in this in security around entering new 370 00:16:33,520 --> 00:16:36,240 Speaker 1: environments outside of sports and getting into business. And yet 371 00:16:36,280 --> 00:16:39,280 Speaker 1: business is no different than sports. Well, I mean, you successful, 372 00:16:39,320 --> 00:16:42,800 Speaker 1: made you a great athlete in sports, makes you an 373 00:16:42,800 --> 00:16:46,880 Speaker 1: exceptional business leader in business. And what was interesting? So 374 00:16:47,680 --> 00:16:49,120 Speaker 1: I had this idea of like what if we created 375 00:16:49,160 --> 00:16:51,120 Speaker 1: a space for athletes? Right, what if I created a home? 376 00:16:51,120 --> 00:16:52,440 Speaker 1: I don't have you guys ever been to a SOHO 377 00:16:52,440 --> 00:16:54,720 Speaker 1: house before? Yeah? So I was sitting at so outside 378 00:16:54,760 --> 00:16:57,760 Speaker 1: joined sohus in New York, as you know, trying to 379 00:16:57,760 --> 00:17:00,360 Speaker 1: find something to feel the avoid you search it and yeah, 380 00:17:00,960 --> 00:17:02,680 Speaker 1: and I in twenty nineteen, I was sitting there one 381 00:17:02,720 --> 00:17:05,200 Speaker 1: day like, hey, this place is beautiful, the Vibe School. 382 00:17:05,920 --> 00:17:07,520 Speaker 1: I feel so out of place here, right, these are 383 00:17:07,560 --> 00:17:10,000 Speaker 1: not my people? And what if all these people in 384 00:17:10,000 --> 00:17:12,639 Speaker 1: here were athletes? And that's where it started. What if 385 00:17:12,680 --> 00:17:17,320 Speaker 1: we built a social club for for athletes that felt 386 00:17:17,359 --> 00:17:18,920 Speaker 1: like it fell short when we started studying all this 387 00:17:19,000 --> 00:17:21,719 Speaker 1: data around how athletes perform in business and how so 388 00:17:21,760 --> 00:17:24,280 Speaker 1: we had to like we'd actionize the community, like we're 389 00:17:24,320 --> 00:17:26,199 Speaker 1: performance ore into people. We can't just hang out and 390 00:17:26,200 --> 00:17:28,440 Speaker 1: grab a drink together. So we started studying other things 391 00:17:28,440 --> 00:17:30,800 Speaker 1: like YPO and EO some and of these professional business 392 00:17:30,800 --> 00:17:32,400 Speaker 1: networks that have been around for a really long time. 393 00:17:32,480 --> 00:17:35,320 Speaker 1: And and so that's what we did. It was like 394 00:17:35,320 --> 00:17:37,480 Speaker 1: part part social club, park professional network. We launched our 395 00:17:37,480 --> 00:17:39,320 Speaker 1: profession network back in April. We opened up our first 396 00:17:39,320 --> 00:17:42,080 Speaker 1: physical clubouse Space or No to sew House in New 397 00:17:42,160 --> 00:17:45,600 Speaker 1: York back in September. And so it's been work like 398 00:17:45,640 --> 00:17:48,240 Speaker 1: foreign members across country, seventy one percent of our members 399 00:17:48,240 --> 00:17:51,480 Speaker 1: of VP level and above business. You know, we look 400 00:17:51,480 --> 00:17:54,200 Speaker 1: at athletic resume compared with business resume. If your athletic 401 00:17:54,240 --> 00:17:56,400 Speaker 1: resume looks like hey, you were innate, your professional athlete. 402 00:17:56,720 --> 00:17:58,840 Speaker 1: We think that brings something to the table because we're 403 00:17:58,840 --> 00:18:01,280 Speaker 1: trying to build this roster, right, We're trying to build 404 00:18:01,680 --> 00:18:04,520 Speaker 1: people that are bringing something to the table that can 405 00:18:04,560 --> 00:18:06,679 Speaker 1: we can leverage each other, we can grow together. Like 406 00:18:06,760 --> 00:18:09,200 Speaker 1: how do you recreate this whole ecosystem of team support 407 00:18:09,240 --> 00:18:11,159 Speaker 1: where you had teammates that were there to push you 408 00:18:11,160 --> 00:18:13,560 Speaker 1: and support you, hold you accountable. You know, coaches that 409 00:18:13,640 --> 00:18:16,080 Speaker 1: helped you get better, right, the resources that helped you 410 00:18:16,080 --> 00:18:18,720 Speaker 1: get better, and that was all about athletic potential. And 411 00:18:18,760 --> 00:18:20,679 Speaker 1: this is all about all these all this business potential 412 00:18:20,720 --> 00:18:22,800 Speaker 1: that all athletes possessed. And we have a bunch of C. 413 00:18:22,880 --> 00:18:25,600 Speaker 1: Suite level people, like we want to remembers the is 414 00:18:25,600 --> 00:18:28,240 Speaker 1: the global CEO of Great Group of global ad agency, 415 00:18:28,359 --> 00:18:30,560 Speaker 1: she was a softball player in college. Or the CEMO 416 00:18:30,680 --> 00:18:32,600 Speaker 1: of Daily Harvest, the smoothie company who was a Paul 417 00:18:32,640 --> 00:18:36,920 Speaker 1: Vlter Wisconsin. Just it's a really it's a really great group. 418 00:18:36,960 --> 00:18:39,639 Speaker 1: But I wanted the locker room, and so we're just 419 00:18:39,680 --> 00:18:42,320 Speaker 1: creating the locker room in a whole new way. I think. 420 00:18:42,400 --> 00:18:45,360 Speaker 2: When so I'm a Texas kid, I'm from Central Texas, 421 00:18:45,480 --> 00:18:47,600 Speaker 2: and you know, one of my coaches used to always 422 00:18:47,640 --> 00:18:51,080 Speaker 2: say Football's game of life. And I don't think you 423 00:18:51,119 --> 00:18:54,000 Speaker 2: really understood what that was when you're you know, freshman 424 00:18:54,000 --> 00:18:57,199 Speaker 2: and sophomore, junior, senior, couldn't couldn't figure it out. Then 425 00:18:57,240 --> 00:18:59,719 Speaker 2: you would give you like a little he would do 426 00:18:59,760 --> 00:19:01,760 Speaker 2: you like a little story. You know, football, you know 427 00:19:01,920 --> 00:19:03,720 Speaker 2: s game of life. You know it's you know, you 428 00:19:03,760 --> 00:19:05,000 Speaker 2: got to go out there, you gotta do the job. 429 00:19:05,040 --> 00:19:07,960 Speaker 2: You lose a game, what happens if you married kids, 430 00:19:08,040 --> 00:19:10,199 Speaker 2: you get fired? You can walk on your family. So 431 00:19:10,240 --> 00:19:12,080 Speaker 2: you lose a game, you can walk on your family team. 432 00:19:12,560 --> 00:19:15,239 Speaker 2: So that was one of the I guess lessons that 433 00:19:15,320 --> 00:19:17,440 Speaker 2: I kind of learned from football. What are what are 434 00:19:17,640 --> 00:19:19,840 Speaker 2: some of the lessons that from playing sports that you 435 00:19:20,000 --> 00:19:22,720 Speaker 2: learned that you can share or that you can apply 436 00:19:22,840 --> 00:19:24,120 Speaker 2: to other aspects of your life. 437 00:19:24,160 --> 00:19:26,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think, I mean there's so many, right, There's 438 00:19:26,560 --> 00:19:31,000 Speaker 1: so many skill sets and routines and structures that we 439 00:19:31,000 --> 00:19:34,960 Speaker 1: were that we benefited from as athletes that if you 440 00:19:35,000 --> 00:19:37,399 Speaker 1: can recreate those things or lean into those things, we 441 00:19:37,480 --> 00:19:39,680 Speaker 1: talk about like, I think a lot of us try 442 00:19:39,680 --> 00:19:42,120 Speaker 1: to shed that that athlete identity when we're done playing, 443 00:19:42,160 --> 00:19:44,800 Speaker 1: because it's like it was only benefit beneficial to my past. 444 00:19:44,800 --> 00:19:48,000 Speaker 1: It's not necessarily beneficial to my future. Our idea is like, 445 00:19:48,320 --> 00:19:50,439 Speaker 1: hell yeah, it is like, go be an athlete in business, 446 00:19:50,480 --> 00:19:52,560 Speaker 1: Go be an athlete in marriage, Go be an athlete 447 00:19:52,600 --> 00:19:54,160 Speaker 1: as a parent. Because what does that mean? It means 448 00:19:54,400 --> 00:19:56,520 Speaker 1: Number one, it starts with a high level of self awareness. Right, 449 00:19:56,520 --> 00:19:59,760 Speaker 1: we were always getting feedback. We're watching a film of ourselves, right, 450 00:19:59,800 --> 00:20:02,360 Speaker 1: like getting coached. So you knew number one, what you're 451 00:20:02,400 --> 00:20:04,679 Speaker 1: doing well, but number two, more importantly, what weren't you 452 00:20:04,720 --> 00:20:06,159 Speaker 1: doing well? What were the areas that I need to 453 00:20:06,200 --> 00:20:09,640 Speaker 1: improve upon? And then you found like the long term 454 00:20:10,480 --> 00:20:13,000 Speaker 1: competitiveness that was the motivation that sustained you to like 455 00:20:13,400 --> 00:20:16,399 Speaker 1: get better in those specific areas so you could perform 456 00:20:16,440 --> 00:20:18,280 Speaker 1: better on the field for yourself and for your teammates. 457 00:20:18,480 --> 00:20:21,320 Speaker 1: Combine that with like the target that targeted effort. Right, So, 458 00:20:21,480 --> 00:20:24,359 Speaker 1: like it's not enough to just work hard, right, you 459 00:20:24,359 --> 00:20:26,199 Speaker 1: have to work hard in the specific areas that you 460 00:20:26,240 --> 00:20:29,159 Speaker 1: need to improve upon and the goals that you need 461 00:20:29,160 --> 00:20:31,080 Speaker 1: to set for yourself or for your company, or for 462 00:20:31,200 --> 00:20:34,800 Speaker 1: yourself as an athlete. And so you got to chase 463 00:20:34,800 --> 00:20:37,119 Speaker 1: out of those things hard and that's what you benefit from. 464 00:20:37,200 --> 00:20:40,040 Speaker 1: And I think we kind of inherently know all these 465 00:20:40,080 --> 00:20:41,960 Speaker 1: things we don't want to say think about them as athletes, 466 00:20:42,000 --> 00:20:44,040 Speaker 1: but like you should be doing all those same things 467 00:20:44,040 --> 00:20:45,679 Speaker 1: in every other area of your life, right like in 468 00:20:45,760 --> 00:20:48,320 Speaker 1: business as a business leader, what am I communicating well 469 00:20:48,400 --> 00:20:50,880 Speaker 1: enough with my employees? Am I setting the right KPIs 470 00:20:50,960 --> 00:20:53,480 Speaker 1: or goals for my company? Is? You know, if I'm 471 00:20:53,480 --> 00:20:56,000 Speaker 1: fundraising my pitching well enough, you got to get that feedback. 472 00:20:56,040 --> 00:20:57,639 Speaker 1: You've got to run that own self scout how do 473 00:20:57,680 --> 00:20:59,600 Speaker 1: I get better in those areas? Identify the opportunities to 474 00:20:59,600 --> 00:21:04,320 Speaker 1: get better and that sustained motivation of Like, really, for me, 475 00:21:04,359 --> 00:21:06,240 Speaker 1: it comes down to purpose, Like, is what you're chasing 476 00:21:06,280 --> 00:21:07,879 Speaker 1: a line with your purpose? Because if it's not aligned 477 00:21:07,880 --> 00:21:10,160 Speaker 1: with your purpose, you're gonna have a really hard time. 478 00:21:10,359 --> 00:21:13,439 Speaker 1: Like when it's hard, can you continue to have that 479 00:21:13,480 --> 00:21:16,440 Speaker 1: motivation to sustain yourself? And I think all of us 480 00:21:16,480 --> 00:21:18,919 Speaker 1: played for something whether we knew it or not in 481 00:21:18,960 --> 00:21:22,800 Speaker 1: football that sustained us through the hard times that are inevitable. 482 00:21:22,800 --> 00:21:26,600 Speaker 1: And the game of football are sports in general, and 483 00:21:26,720 --> 00:21:29,760 Speaker 1: it's no different. It's no different than business. Right business 484 00:21:29,840 --> 00:21:32,399 Speaker 1: is sports. It's just maybe not the adrenaline rush that 485 00:21:32,400 --> 00:21:35,080 Speaker 1: we all had, you know, definitely not an adrenaline. 486 00:21:35,119 --> 00:21:38,159 Speaker 3: You said something that was real, like prevalent to me 487 00:21:38,640 --> 00:21:41,520 Speaker 3: early on, just a couple of seconds ago. You said, 488 00:21:41,720 --> 00:21:45,320 Speaker 3: how like your whole time you're playing football, it's like 489 00:21:45,359 --> 00:21:48,320 Speaker 3: it's our whole identity. And then the moment we're done, 490 00:21:48,480 --> 00:21:51,480 Speaker 3: we're like, oh, I'm more than a football player, right. 491 00:21:51,640 --> 00:21:55,640 Speaker 3: And it's weird because a lot of times when you're 492 00:21:55,680 --> 00:21:57,240 Speaker 3: a player, you're like, dude, I'm more than just a 493 00:21:57,240 --> 00:21:57,880 Speaker 3: football player. 494 00:21:57,920 --> 00:21:58,480 Speaker 1: I'm not just this. 495 00:21:58,640 --> 00:22:02,200 Speaker 3: I don't want to be just category categorizes that. Then 496 00:22:02,240 --> 00:22:04,639 Speaker 3: when we're done, we're like, I mean, I used to 497 00:22:04,720 --> 00:22:07,440 Speaker 3: be like a football player. I still try and lean 498 00:22:07,520 --> 00:22:10,880 Speaker 3: on those things. And so you I've read you talked 499 00:22:10,880 --> 00:22:13,600 Speaker 3: about and I want you to share these the four 500 00:22:13,680 --> 00:22:17,879 Speaker 3: things that athletes should focus on when they're done playing, 501 00:22:18,280 --> 00:22:21,680 Speaker 3: and how can they stay focused and continue to grind 502 00:22:21,760 --> 00:22:22,920 Speaker 3: through this whole transition. 503 00:22:23,040 --> 00:22:26,000 Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, and even what you said, like that idea 504 00:22:26,040 --> 00:22:29,359 Speaker 1: of like more than a football player, more than an athlete, 505 00:22:29,480 --> 00:22:31,160 Speaker 1: I think we feel like we need to say that 506 00:22:31,320 --> 00:22:34,439 Speaker 1: because we think being an athlete is a liability. It's 507 00:22:34,440 --> 00:22:38,280 Speaker 1: a liability for life after great point, And why do 508 00:22:38,359 --> 00:22:40,800 Speaker 1: we feel that way it's because outsiders tell us that 509 00:22:40,960 --> 00:22:44,680 Speaker 1: we should feel that way. And again, being an athlete, 510 00:22:44,680 --> 00:22:45,919 Speaker 1: and this is what we're trying to build with the 511 00:22:45,960 --> 00:22:48,199 Speaker 1: post is like in the core thesis is being an 512 00:22:48,240 --> 00:22:51,280 Speaker 1: athlete is a massive competitive advantage to life and life 513 00:22:51,280 --> 00:22:54,320 Speaker 1: in business, right, and the data proves that, it proves 514 00:22:54,359 --> 00:22:56,760 Speaker 1: that there's this tremendous performance. If you can transfer what 515 00:22:56,760 --> 00:22:59,880 Speaker 1: you're dow in sports to other things really well, then 516 00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:03,359 Speaker 1: it's a massive commitment. So like, don't shy away from that, 517 00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:06,600 Speaker 1: don't don't run away from that, don't apologize for that, 518 00:23:06,800 --> 00:23:10,080 Speaker 1: go like have full confidence in who you are. So 519 00:23:10,240 --> 00:23:12,479 Speaker 1: Price Waterhouse Cooper does a surveyor year is called the 520 00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:16,520 Speaker 1: CEO Survey, the and Yeah CEO Survey, and so they 521 00:23:16,600 --> 00:23:18,719 Speaker 1: sign out a bunch of questions the CEOs across all 522 00:23:18,760 --> 00:23:21,520 Speaker 1: different industries and they ask a few questions and one 523 00:23:21,560 --> 00:23:22,960 Speaker 1: of the questions a few years ago is what do 524 00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:24,959 Speaker 1: you think is the biggest threat to the future of business? 525 00:23:25,720 --> 00:23:28,119 Speaker 1: And seventy seven percent of CEO said it's a lack 526 00:23:28,160 --> 00:23:30,480 Speaker 1: of soft skills in the workforce. And they talk about 527 00:23:30,520 --> 00:23:35,680 Speaker 1: leadership skills, problem solving skills, creativity skills, and athletes have 528 00:23:35,720 --> 00:23:38,320 Speaker 1: a tremendous amount of soft skills, right we all, especially 529 00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:43,040 Speaker 1: leadership skills, problem solving skills, and so athletes are specifically 530 00:23:43,200 --> 00:23:46,320 Speaker 1: they're already you know, uniquely qualified to perform own business. 531 00:23:46,720 --> 00:23:49,359 Speaker 1: But that disparity, that gap between the athletes and our 532 00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:51,680 Speaker 1: athletes is only going to grow. And so our idea 533 00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:53,840 Speaker 1: is like, well, let's support them, right, Let's be that 534 00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:56,080 Speaker 1: that place where all athletes go to when they're when 535 00:23:56,080 --> 00:23:58,479 Speaker 1: they're done. You know, all this members like seventy two 536 00:23:58,560 --> 00:24:00,919 Speaker 1: years old, once an athlete, always an athlete, right that 537 00:24:01,240 --> 00:24:03,160 Speaker 1: we call it the athlete operating system, all those those 538 00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:05,720 Speaker 1: skills that we all have. Again, like you should be 539 00:24:05,800 --> 00:24:07,679 Speaker 1: leaning into that and not leading away from that. But 540 00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:11,640 Speaker 1: the four things. So when I again like self awareness 541 00:24:11,720 --> 00:24:13,560 Speaker 1: to me was such a crucial role and figure out 542 00:24:13,560 --> 00:24:16,480 Speaker 1: the struggle of my transition, right, and and so I 543 00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:19,360 Speaker 1: thought about, okay, like why is this hard? And so 544 00:24:19,560 --> 00:24:21,840 Speaker 1: number one, we talked about identity, right, like the loss 545 00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:24,919 Speaker 1: of my identity as a football player, at least seemingly 546 00:24:25,200 --> 00:24:28,439 Speaker 1: it felt like I lost that identity, yes, and and 547 00:24:28,520 --> 00:24:31,080 Speaker 1: so for us like no, like, don't don't shed that identity. 548 00:24:31,080 --> 00:24:33,000 Speaker 1: Continue to be who you are, continue to identify those 549 00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:35,000 Speaker 1: things that made you a great athlete and transfer them well, 550 00:24:35,040 --> 00:24:38,560 Speaker 1: so don't shed that identity. A sense of purpose was 551 00:24:38,600 --> 00:24:39,959 Speaker 1: the second one, which is a big one. I grew 552 00:24:40,040 --> 00:24:42,960 Speaker 1: up in Texas too, where like football is your purpose, right, 553 00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:45,480 Speaker 1: and and so and then going to play big time 554 00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:47,520 Speaker 1: you know football Florida State and play in the NFL, 555 00:24:47,560 --> 00:24:50,919 Speaker 1: like and I talked about this with school earlier, that 556 00:24:51,040 --> 00:24:54,520 Speaker 1: like football was your purpose and everything around that served 557 00:24:54,600 --> 00:24:57,240 Speaker 1: that purpose. Right. I went to school so I could 558 00:24:57,359 --> 00:24:58,920 Speaker 1: make the grades, so I could stay on the field 559 00:24:58,920 --> 00:25:01,479 Speaker 1: and play and say just stay ou, I worked out, 560 00:25:01,520 --> 00:25:03,879 Speaker 1: I treated my body well. It was all because I 561 00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:08,200 Speaker 1: wanted to serve my purpose as a football player. That's 562 00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:11,399 Speaker 1: a problem, right because football is going to end. So 563 00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:15,159 Speaker 1: if your purpose is football, you're screwing yourself over because 564 00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:17,720 Speaker 1: it's going to disappear. So what you have to identify 565 00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:19,920 Speaker 1: and it's even to your benefit because I talked about 566 00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:22,960 Speaker 1: it before, like your sustained motivation through hard times that 567 00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:25,560 Speaker 1: are going to happen in any career, and especially in sports. 568 00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:29,160 Speaker 1: Your purpose has to be beyond the game, right, right, 569 00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:32,320 Speaker 1: And so if my purpose is hey, buying my mama 570 00:25:32,359 --> 00:25:36,640 Speaker 1: house or serving you know, supporting my wife and my kids, 571 00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:40,320 Speaker 1: whatever it is. That purpose doesn't go away when football 572 00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:41,840 Speaker 1: is over, so you can just transfer that purpose into 573 00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:43,600 Speaker 1: the next thing that you're doing. Right, So you've got 574 00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:46,000 Speaker 1: to make sure that that's in line. The other thing 575 00:25:46,080 --> 00:25:48,639 Speaker 1: is structured and routines. Right. We're always being told what 576 00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:50,119 Speaker 1: to do, where to do it, how to do it, 577 00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:52,240 Speaker 1: when to do it, at all times, and suddenly it's over, 578 00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:54,920 Speaker 1: and so you have to look back, and I like, 579 00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:56,280 Speaker 1: like one of the things I did, I kept all of 580 00:25:56,320 --> 00:25:59,560 Speaker 1: my workout books from like Summer Workout gout right, Yeah, 581 00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:02,880 Speaker 1: because I need those structures I have, at least for playbooks, 582 00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:07,320 Speaker 1: and so yeah, still got them. So like you have now, 583 00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:10,600 Speaker 1: you don't benefit from having an outsider telling you what 584 00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:12,600 Speaker 1: to do. You have to take it upon yourself and 585 00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:14,439 Speaker 1: be responsib enough to create your own structures and your 586 00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:18,040 Speaker 1: own routines. But we thrived in a highly structured environment, 587 00:26:18,119 --> 00:26:20,240 Speaker 1: so you have to create a highly structured environment for 588 00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:23,040 Speaker 1: yourself when football is over. And then the last and 589 00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:25,479 Speaker 1: probably the most important is the community side. Right, Like 590 00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:29,080 Speaker 1: we left the locker room, we lost it and and 591 00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:31,399 Speaker 1: so you've got to be able to find a place 592 00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:35,280 Speaker 1: that you can plug into and find that community, find 593 00:26:35,280 --> 00:26:38,200 Speaker 1: that that brotherhood, that sisterhood, whatever it is, and that's 594 00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:40,320 Speaker 1: where we want to come in and serve that purpose 595 00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:43,359 Speaker 1: of like, how do we give the infrastructure for that 596 00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:46,760 Speaker 1: community to come together again and not in a again, 597 00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:49,920 Speaker 1: not in a Hey, sport is a liability. We need 598 00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:52,080 Speaker 1: to hold your hand to find your first job. Like no, 599 00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:54,919 Speaker 1: like from a position of empowerment of like, you know, 600 00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:57,600 Speaker 1: we're trying to build an NFL roster, the best of 601 00:26:57,680 --> 00:27:00,080 Speaker 1: the best that are coming together leveraging each other to 602 00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:02,200 Speaker 1: get better, just like we did in sports. We'll be 603 00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:03,800 Speaker 1: right back after a quick break. 604 00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:06,200 Speaker 2: I want to switch topics real quick. I want to 605 00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:08,520 Speaker 2: talk about some some outdoorsmanship right now. 606 00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:10,280 Speaker 1: So i'm i'm, I'm. 607 00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:13,760 Speaker 2: I mean, you got a great beard. You look outdoorsy. 608 00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:15,240 Speaker 2: What what about mine? 609 00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:17,760 Speaker 1: How does my beard look a little too shaped up? 610 00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:20,320 Speaker 1: Your's a little gray? So yeah, there you go. 611 00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:24,760 Speaker 2: Anyway, my Grandpap's used to take me fishing all the time, right. 612 00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:27,800 Speaker 2: I loved it as a kid. My dad told me 613 00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:30,800 Speaker 2: how to you know, bait, bait the worm and do 614 00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:33,880 Speaker 2: all those cool things. I know you're a big fisherman 615 00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:35,800 Speaker 2: or you you call some fish. I want to know, 616 00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:38,040 Speaker 2: what's the biggest fish you've ever caught? 617 00:27:38,359 --> 00:27:42,040 Speaker 1: Uh, Well, I had uh you know, I did a 618 00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:44,480 Speaker 1: lot of like saltwater fishing and when I was at 619 00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:48,080 Speaker 1: Florida State, so I've caught sharks and and all that stuff. 620 00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:51,320 Speaker 1: The biggest feel like, yeah, I mean I had to 621 00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:52,800 Speaker 1: been a shark. I can't put a number on it. 622 00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:56,720 Speaker 1: You know, bass like my biggest basket probably like five pounds. 623 00:27:56,760 --> 00:27:58,680 Speaker 1: I don't have some record basket I caught. I love 624 00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:01,360 Speaker 1: now what I love. I love fly fishing. That's kind 625 00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:04,919 Speaker 1: of difficult. It's a whole skill set. It's one of 626 00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:08,520 Speaker 1: these kind of you to be like flick flicking the wrist. 627 00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:12,159 Speaker 1: It's kind of one of those things. It's to me, 628 00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:15,440 Speaker 1: it's like it's art, right, It's not throwing a big 629 00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:17,000 Speaker 1: old spinner bait out there and trying to catch a 630 00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:19,560 Speaker 1: bas It's like it's very delicate. You're always doing it 631 00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:22,760 Speaker 1: in beautiful places, right, like your mountains, And to me, 632 00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:26,040 Speaker 1: it's it's it's much more like thought rogue, right, So 633 00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:29,000 Speaker 1: like it's it's get you got to identify, like are 634 00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:32,000 Speaker 1: they are the trout eating up top? Are they down below? 635 00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:35,160 Speaker 1: You identify like what they're eating and the size right, 636 00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:36,879 Speaker 1: so like now you have to get the color ride, 637 00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:38,400 Speaker 1: we get the size right, it's got to float the 638 00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:41,040 Speaker 1: right way. And it's almost like it turns into competition, 639 00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:43,400 Speaker 1: right because a lot of it is you can see 640 00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:45,560 Speaker 1: a fish right and it's like, all right, it's like 641 00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:47,120 Speaker 1: one on one, right, like am I gonna beat you? 642 00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:48,720 Speaker 1: Or you gonna beat me? Like you know, it's like 643 00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:51,880 Speaker 1: and I love it. It's great. Now I have three kids, 644 00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:53,680 Speaker 1: I live in Manhattan, so I don't do it a 645 00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:58,160 Speaker 1: lot now, but yeah, I love I love fishing. Got 646 00:28:58,160 --> 00:28:59,680 Speaker 1: in the fensant hunting when I was in Minnesota, which 647 00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:01,920 Speaker 1: was fun, and uh, you know as much as I 648 00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:04,480 Speaker 1: can in the urban jungle that is New York. You 649 00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:07,240 Speaker 1: got to get out and find some space to go 650 00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:09,600 Speaker 1: do things like that. How do you enjoy living in 651 00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:14,240 Speaker 1: New York? I love the Yeah, I love the city. 652 00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:17,160 Speaker 1: We would travel there in the off seasons. I kind 653 00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:19,000 Speaker 1: of caught the New York city, but I'm never in 654 00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:21,400 Speaker 1: the world that I imagine growing up in Texas that live 655 00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:24,240 Speaker 1: in New York alone, raised kids in New York. It's 656 00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:26,840 Speaker 1: had a lot of benefits for my kids to see 657 00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:30,920 Speaker 1: all different cultures and not sports wasn't everything, like because 658 00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:33,840 Speaker 1: inherently with my wife working in sports and my background, 659 00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:35,960 Speaker 1: like sports is a big deal in our household. So 660 00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:38,400 Speaker 1: to have some balance there for them to go to 661 00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:41,360 Speaker 1: the met on a weekly basis and the National History 662 00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:44,520 Speaker 1: Museum and all these you know, the Broadway shows has 663 00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:46,680 Speaker 1: been to the benefit. Now you know, we're the stage. 664 00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:48,959 Speaker 1: My oldest is nine. Now they really want to get 665 00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:51,120 Speaker 1: into sports, and like, U sports is not that great 666 00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:53,600 Speaker 1: in New York City because there's not a lot of infrastructure, right, so, 667 00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:55,520 Speaker 1: like there's just not a lot of fields, not a 668 00:29:55,560 --> 00:29:57,400 Speaker 1: lot of grass, Yeah, not a lot of grass, and 669 00:29:57,520 --> 00:29:59,520 Speaker 1: you know, and not having a backyard with three kids, 670 00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:02,280 Speaker 1: it's top dog. And so we're just you know, we're masochists. 671 00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:06,080 Speaker 1: We love it torture ourselves and and so we're we're 672 00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:08,440 Speaker 1: figuring out, like what does life look like, you know, 673 00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:10,480 Speaker 1: in the next couple of years, Like does it make 674 00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:12,400 Speaker 1: sense to go back to Texas. It's almost like if 675 00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:15,600 Speaker 1: we do, right, if we do leave New York, New 676 00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:18,680 Speaker 1: York is such a unique place to live, right, and 677 00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:21,920 Speaker 1: everything's at your fingertips. I don't I can't replicate it 678 00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:24,600 Speaker 1: anywhere else. I'm like, let's go the option of the spectrum. 679 00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:27,080 Speaker 1: Let's go get thirty acres outside of Dallas, and like, 680 00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:29,000 Speaker 1: you know, my daughter wants a horse, and like, my 681 00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:31,280 Speaker 1: wife send me all these like little mins, your cows 682 00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:33,160 Speaker 1: and stuff that what she wants to buy. But like 683 00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:35,360 Speaker 1: maybe and then maybe my kids will be somewhere in 684 00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:37,400 Speaker 1: the middle between the both ends of the spectrum of 685 00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:40,560 Speaker 1: urban and rural and and they'll be you know, hopefully normal. 686 00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:44,560 Speaker 1: I love it. I got it. I love it. I 687 00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:48,200 Speaker 1: love it. So tell me this. You talked about your daughter. 688 00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:51,800 Speaker 3: Could you maybe explain to us why you thought it 689 00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:57,280 Speaker 3: was important or why you named your daughter after Bobby Boden. 690 00:30:57,360 --> 00:31:00,120 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, so good, good point. So my wife my 691 00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:02,120 Speaker 1: wist idea. So everyone thinks it was my idea. Yeah, 692 00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:04,560 Speaker 1: we're totally giving you credit that you know it was 693 00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:06,320 Speaker 1: my It was my And it was funny because even 694 00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:08,600 Speaker 1: Coach Bowden before he passed, like had heard that we 695 00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:10,840 Speaker 1: named our daughter about it, and he's like, I've had a 696 00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:13,000 Speaker 1: lot of dogs named Bouten and maybe some boys, but 697 00:31:13,080 --> 00:31:16,080 Speaker 1: never had a girl named Bowden. So my dad played 698 00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:17,880 Speaker 1: for coach Bowden. My dad was the first one to 699 00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:20,520 Speaker 1: go to college. Uh, and his family grew up in 700 00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:24,920 Speaker 1: rural Georgia, and Coach Bouten gave him the opportunity. Was 701 00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:28,400 Speaker 1: a father figure to my my dad, and so you know, 702 00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:30,760 Speaker 1: I wouldn't have I wouldn't exist most likely without coach 703 00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:33,280 Speaker 1: Ballad and then to go and go play for him. 704 00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:36,840 Speaker 1: And was a man that deeply cared much more about 705 00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:38,840 Speaker 1: each player other than you know, outside of football, right, 706 00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:41,400 Speaker 1: cared deeply about their faith and and nim as men. 707 00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:44,400 Speaker 1: And it was father figures to so many guys that 708 00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:47,200 Speaker 1: went through that locker room. And and so just as 709 00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:49,240 Speaker 1: a nod to the influence that he had on my 710 00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:52,200 Speaker 1: life from the very beginning, I thought it was important 711 00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:54,640 Speaker 1: to honor him. And I think we try to speak 712 00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:56,520 Speaker 1: like life in our own kids by how we name them. 713 00:31:56,520 --> 00:31:58,280 Speaker 1: And naming your kid is freaking hard, you know, so 714 00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:00,800 Speaker 1: there's a lot of pressure like yeah, right, you got 715 00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:03,360 Speaker 1: to get it right. And so you know, so we yes, 716 00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:04,880 Speaker 1: it was my wife that brought it up, and so 717 00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:06,960 Speaker 1: we did it. We actually we call her Scout, but 718 00:32:07,040 --> 00:32:08,760 Speaker 1: her legal name is Balin. We call her Scout from 719 00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:12,920 Speaker 1: Particula Mockingbird, the girl in that book. Again another thing 720 00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:15,160 Speaker 1: of like, you know, we want her to be like 721 00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:17,200 Speaker 1: this this girl, but also coach Bowen. 722 00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:22,200 Speaker 3: So yeah, it's a kid is not easy. You can't 723 00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:23,680 Speaker 3: just say that. And now we got to know all 724 00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:25,040 Speaker 3: the names and why they were hard. 725 00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:29,160 Speaker 1: So my daughter, my daughter is bound Saint Clair. We 726 00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:31,840 Speaker 1: call her scout. My son who's our middle His name 727 00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:35,200 Speaker 1: is Robinson True named after Jackie Robinson and David Robinson. Okay, 728 00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:38,920 Speaker 1: but we call him True. And were you a Spurs 729 00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:42,400 Speaker 1: fan like I was not? My wife knows David and 730 00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:44,480 Speaker 1: just a I don't know if you've ever been around 731 00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:47,680 Speaker 1: him Austin, dude, heard nothing, Dude. The most of masking 732 00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:53,840 Speaker 1: like like was like like his hands like fully he 733 00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:55,800 Speaker 1: didn't shake as heart as Adrian, but like fullying golf 734 00:32:55,920 --> 00:32:57,480 Speaker 1: my hand. I was like, I'm like a little boy. 735 00:32:57,560 --> 00:33:01,600 Speaker 1: You know. It's like and uh and so you know 736 00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:04,600 Speaker 1: what what obviously Jackie did for for sports and for 737 00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:07,400 Speaker 1: society and what David represents, you know, want to name 738 00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:10,760 Speaker 1: our our son Robinson and then our daughter our young stars. 739 00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:13,400 Speaker 1: Name is price that comes from a Bible versu. If 740 00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:14,680 Speaker 1: you were bought with a price, you're not you know, 741 00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:16,640 Speaker 1: you're about with the price. And so that that idea 742 00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:21,200 Speaker 1: that you know, again, what is your purpose. Uh, it's 743 00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:23,920 Speaker 1: much deeper than than all the things that we collectively 744 00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:25,520 Speaker 1: do on a daily BASEI well, you kind of already 745 00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:27,480 Speaker 1: set the tone in purpose. When you name them. 746 00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:29,800 Speaker 3: These things and then you tell them these stories, they 747 00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:32,080 Speaker 3: will naturally start to fall in. 748 00:33:32,120 --> 00:33:35,080 Speaker 2: Lind y'all are killing me in the name game. Your 749 00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:38,040 Speaker 2: kids got cool names. They're named after like cities and 750 00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:42,800 Speaker 2: places born cities, born cities now all Olympic cities as well. 751 00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:43,120 Speaker 1: Nice. 752 00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:47,160 Speaker 3: So we got London, Sydney, Roman, the second which is 753 00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:50,280 Speaker 3: of course Rome, and then Seul also. 754 00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:52,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, so we're all over the place too. 755 00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:54,960 Speaker 2: I think I watched an episode of like Keeping Up 756 00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:56,760 Speaker 2: with the Kardashians, and I thought it was kind of cool. 757 00:33:56,800 --> 00:33:58,640 Speaker 1: They all started with k's. I was like, well, I 758 00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:01,160 Speaker 1: won't do k's. I'm just to tease. So all my 759 00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:04,200 Speaker 1: kids names start with tea's. They do. That's how I 760 00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:05,960 Speaker 1: came up with that. But yeah, I wish I would 761 00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:10,400 Speaker 1: have thought a little bit outside the box. I'm not 762 00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:12,120 Speaker 1: taking credit for that, you're kind of putting me in. 763 00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:16,240 Speaker 3: This is awesome that we got Christian to not take credit, 764 00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:18,400 Speaker 3: because it's really hard because quarterbacks get a lot of 765 00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:22,040 Speaker 3: credit sometimes that sometimes they they just hand. 766 00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:23,879 Speaker 1: The ball off. They gave a lot of credit and. 767 00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:26,480 Speaker 3: Then sometimes they get a lot of blame. 768 00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:29,640 Speaker 2: What's not their fault either. So it's just part of it. 769 00:34:29,680 --> 00:34:31,799 Speaker 2: But I appreciate you being open about that. You've had 770 00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:34,480 Speaker 2: a lot of success on the field off the field 771 00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:36,440 Speaker 2: in your transition. 772 00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:37,280 Speaker 1: Uh. 773 00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:42,280 Speaker 2: If you could name four people who had an influential 774 00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:45,440 Speaker 2: time in your life to help you get to where 775 00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:47,880 Speaker 2: you are right now, who would those four people be 776 00:34:48,080 --> 00:34:49,080 Speaker 2: on your mount rush? 777 00:34:49,160 --> 00:34:53,160 Speaker 1: Yeah? Both my parents. I mean, I think they set 778 00:34:53,160 --> 00:34:56,000 Speaker 1: the tone barely on. We'll count that as one that 779 00:34:56,160 --> 00:35:02,200 Speaker 1: There's one thing it wasn't get to. My wife has 780 00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:05,640 Speaker 1: been from the very beginning, I think, you know, holding 781 00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:09,040 Speaker 1: me to a really high standard and pushing me and 782 00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:13,600 Speaker 1: you know not I think sometimes, especially when you're done playing, 783 00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:15,320 Speaker 1: you feel like you earned the right to coast for 784 00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:17,319 Speaker 1: a little bit, you know, and my wife's like, nope, 785 00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:20,040 Speaker 1: you're getting your butt off the couch and h And 786 00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:23,240 Speaker 1: so she's pushed really hard, you know, coached Bowden obviously, 787 00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:26,440 Speaker 1: and uh and then Jimbo, you know, so Jimbo came 788 00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:28,560 Speaker 1: in as Mom's conad Florida, stayed my second year and 789 00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:30,319 Speaker 1: then became the head coach my last year when when 790 00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:33,440 Speaker 1: coach Bowden left and I definitely wouldn't have made it 791 00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:36,000 Speaker 1: the NFL without him. I think it was funny like 792 00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:38,440 Speaker 1: my freshman year, Florida State had a really hard time 793 00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:41,040 Speaker 1: thought about transferring. They changed the offensive coaching staff, and 794 00:35:41,080 --> 00:35:42,800 Speaker 1: Jimbo came in and felt like I had a fresh 795 00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:48,000 Speaker 1: start and and I you know, that first spring practice, 796 00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:51,160 Speaker 1: I had a great practice, made a great first impression 797 00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:53,600 Speaker 1: on him, and I think ever since then, I think 798 00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:55,840 Speaker 1: he saw something in me and just invested in a 799 00:35:55,840 --> 00:35:58,640 Speaker 1: lot of his time and energy and me and developing 800 00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:02,520 Speaker 1: my career. And so yeah, that would be. That would 801 00:36:02,520 --> 00:36:03,440 Speaker 1: be four. 802 00:36:03,640 --> 00:36:05,600 Speaker 3: Shout out to Jimbo, who's probably just sitting on the 803 00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:11,000 Speaker 3: couch eating really nice you know what I mean. 804 00:36:12,640 --> 00:36:13,560 Speaker 1: Talking about that one. 805 00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:16,680 Speaker 3: But Christian Man, thank you man, thank you for blessing 806 00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:19,040 Speaker 3: us with your time and coming through talking to us 807 00:36:19,040 --> 00:36:22,120 Speaker 3: about your transition. Because the one thing that Peanut and 808 00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:24,279 Speaker 3: I talk about all the time, the more and more 809 00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:26,640 Speaker 3: we've done this podcast, the more and more we have 810 00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:31,120 Speaker 3: learned that, man, it really is a transitional period and. 811 00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:32,400 Speaker 1: None of us know how to get through it. 812 00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:34,879 Speaker 3: Like it doesn't come in directions there is no right 813 00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:37,719 Speaker 3: or wrong answer, but sitting down and talking about it 814 00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:40,640 Speaker 3: and sharing your story and your path only allows it 815 00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:43,440 Speaker 3: probably gives you more strength because like man, we are 816 00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:45,680 Speaker 3: the only ones and you're just one of another ones 817 00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:46,880 Speaker 3: that all have to go through it. 818 00:36:47,040 --> 00:36:49,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure, appreciate you on that. Yeah, man, are 819 00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:51,360 Speaker 1: you going to get us up out of here? No, 820 00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:54,879 Speaker 1: that's your job. Okay, Man, we got the juice. Okay, 821 00:36:54,920 --> 00:36:56,480 Speaker 1: because yesterday you kind of had the juice. 822 00:36:56,520 --> 00:36:58,319 Speaker 3: All right, Well here man, First and foremost, thank you 823 00:36:58,320 --> 00:37:01,440 Speaker 3: as always Christian coming through man, Peanut, and all of 824 00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:04,160 Speaker 3: you guys that out there, whether you're listening or viewing 825 00:37:04,239 --> 00:37:06,880 Speaker 3: us wherever you pick up your podcast, whether it's Apple Podcasts, 826 00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:09,960 Speaker 3: Alurheart Radio, thank you guys for always give us a 827 00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:13,360 Speaker 3: five star rating, give us a review, click that follow button, 828 00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:15,080 Speaker 3: give us to leave us a couple of comments. That's 829 00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:17,200 Speaker 3: how we get our viewership up. So thank you for 830 00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:19,960 Speaker 3: always tuning in. Peanut, give us about of here, man, 831 00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:21,640 Speaker 3: telling people where to catch this. 832 00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:23,200 Speaker 2: We'll make sure you got to tell a friend and 833 00:37:23,239 --> 00:37:25,719 Speaker 2: tell a friend and tell a bread. Okay, all right, 834 00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:27,919 Speaker 2: I'm Peanut, that's Christian, that's my uncle Rome. 835 00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:30,480 Speaker 1: Hey man, this is the NFL player. Second X podcast 836 00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:31,200 Speaker 1: we a