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Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Alison Flamm Welcome back to Erased the murder

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Speaker 1: of Elma Sans. In our last episode, Coldon tried to

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Speaker 1: establish his credibility as the prosecutor. Alma's cousin, Catherine was

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Speaker 1: the first person that he called to the witness stand.

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Speaker 1: She testified that Alma was excited. On December twenty second,

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Speaker 1: she got all dressed up with plans to marry Levi

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Speaker 1: and return home to the boarding house by curfew. So

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Speaker 1: Catherine was alarmed when Alma didn't come home that night

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Speaker 1: as she planned to.

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Speaker 2: But Levi wasn't worried at all.

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Speaker 1: Levi's only concerns after Elma disappeared were himself and his reputation,

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Speaker 1: so Colden's argument was off to a pretty good start until.

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Speaker 3: If Alma accidentally took too much flawed them her psycho

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Speaker 3: boyfriend drove her to do it. So Almah's death is

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Speaker 3: Levi felt, regardless wonderful.

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Speaker 4: And.

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Speaker 1: Then he was in a tough spot. He suddenly had

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Speaker 1: to prove two things, one that Alma was actually murdered,

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Speaker 1: which he never thought he would have to prove at

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Speaker 1: a murder trial, and two that she was lured out

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Speaker 1: of the house and killed by Levi Weeks. So to

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Speaker 1: debunk this emerging suicide theory, he called Elias Ring to

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Speaker 1: the stand. That's Alma's uncle, Catherine's husband, and asked him

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Speaker 1: to describe Alma's character for the Jersey the jury.

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Speaker 5: Elma was joyous, careful, full of virtue until she was

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Speaker 5: ruined by Levi Weeks.

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Speaker 6: That's right.

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Speaker 5: I'm the one who caught them sneaking around my house

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Speaker 5: having pre marital sex.

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Speaker 4: And that started last September, right, mister Ring.

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Speaker 5: Yes, when my wife went upstate, all the women and

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Speaker 5: children left the city to avoid the pandemic.

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Speaker 7: But Elma stayed here.

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Speaker 6: It was just Elma and all the boys.

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Speaker 4: In the house. So Alma was in a vulnerable position

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Speaker 4: during that time. And I figured them out right away.

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Speaker 4: You see it.

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Speaker 5: One morning I went into an empty room and I

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Speaker 5: found Elma's pantyhose and corset and Levis shirt like they've

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Speaker 5: just been in there together.

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Speaker 8: Wait, you found Elma's clothes, but no Alma. She ran

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Speaker 8: back to her room in the nude.

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Speaker 9: So much for cautious and full of virtue. If Elma

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Speaker 9: left her clothes all over the place, ran around the

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Speaker 9: boarding house naked, slept with the first man who paid

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Speaker 9: attention to her. It sounds like she was risky and promiscuous.

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Speaker 8: Risky and promiscuous are the characteristics of a suicidal woman.

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Speaker 4: You're on our speculation objection your honor, burn Hamilton. If

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Speaker 4: you start my line of questioning.

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Speaker 1: Any juror or attorney may ask questions at any time, regardless.

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Speaker 5: The defense counsel's theory that Julielma took her own life

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Speaker 5: is both at landish and insane.

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Speaker 4: I agree with it's insane.

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Speaker 1: Although there were significant holes in this emerging theory that

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Speaker 1: Alma took her own life. The defense lawyers thought they'd

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Speaker 1: found Coldon's achilles heel. If Elma sans drowned herself, then

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Speaker 1: there was no murder case closed their client walks, but

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Speaker 1: hold on. In seventeen ninety nine, it was nearly unheard

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Speaker 1: of to drown oneself in a well. Unfortunately, people did

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Speaker 1: kill themselves. That year was actually a very tragic one

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Speaker 1: in New York City, But the methods of the day

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Speaker 1: were hanging, poisoning, pistol shot. Are we to believe that

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Speaker 1: Elma pioneered a new method of suicide the very night

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Speaker 1: she got all dressed up, borrowed a fancy hand muff

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Speaker 1: from her neighbor, saying she'd return it the next day,

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Speaker 1: and told her cousin she was off to marry her love.

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Speaker 1: And if Elma took her own life, how do we

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Speaker 1: explain the bruises and wounds on her corpse?

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Speaker 10: There is zero proof of suicide here. We have proof,

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Speaker 10: actually is no proof.

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Speaker 4: Alma was happy, she really was. It shattered me to

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Speaker 4: lose her she was.

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Speaker 5: It was like losing the sunshine.

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Speaker 4: Thank you, mister Ring. Nothing further, mister Ring.

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Speaker 9: On the day Elma disappeared, how was her disposition?

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Speaker 5: Elma was cheery and sweet that day, as she always was.

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Speaker 5: I remember she asked my wife which handkerchief looked better?

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Speaker 11: What color were the handkerchiefs?

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Speaker 4: One was blue?

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Speaker 11: I think, how sure are you about that?

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Speaker 5: Pretty sure?

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Speaker 9: Pretty sure?

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Speaker 4: Pretty sure?

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Speaker 8: Yes, So you're not totally sure of anything you're saying, mister.

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Speaker 5: Ring, I'm totally sure. Two handkerchief options, and one was blue.

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Speaker 4: She looked nice.

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Speaker 11: Alma looked nice.

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Speaker 9: Did you often think about whether Elma looked nice, mister Ring?

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Speaker 8: Mister Ring, you did not a a proof of Elma

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Speaker 8: dating LEVI weeks right?

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Speaker 9: And why did you have a say in who Elma

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Speaker 5: I don't approve a pre marital sex in general, counselors,

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Speaker 5: I'm quaker.

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Speaker 9: Was Elma a Quaker?

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Speaker 5: No, she wasn't, And no, I did not approve of

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Speaker 5: Levi as a partner for Alma. Elma was too sweet

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Speaker 1: And this moment is such a microcosm of the two

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Speaker 1: sides of this case. On one side, the immaculately dressed

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Speaker 1: Aaron Burr and Alexander Hamilton. They had shiny shoes and

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Speaker 1: political careers and the election of eighteen hundred coming up

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Speaker 1: several months later. And then on the other side, Elias Ring,

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Speaker 1: this stout Quaker guy with a big hat and plain,

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Speaker 1: baggy clothes and a reputation for being a terrible businessman

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Speaker 1: who was too drunk all the time.

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Speaker 11: If Alma committed suicide, she was murdered. If she committed.

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Speaker 8: Suicide, mister Ring, would you consider yourself personally responsible?

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Speaker 9: You were supposed to be her guarden.

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Speaker 4: Objection?

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Speaker 9: Oh dare When Elma disappeared, you knew she was dead

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Speaker 9: and gone. What did you search for her?

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Speaker 6: We all searched.

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Speaker 9: Where did you search.

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Speaker 5: All the borders searched, the tenements and the almshouses.

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Speaker 9: I'll repeat myself, mister Ring, where did you look for Elma.

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Speaker 5: My neighborhood, mister Hamilton, tenements and almshouses.

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Speaker 9: I'll try again, mister Ring, Where did you personally look

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Speaker 9: for Elma Sands when she disappeared?

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Speaker 4: Objection? Where's this going? Ask a different question, Hamilton?

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Speaker 9: Mister Ring, did you hire a private search party to

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Speaker 9: dredge the East River in search of Elma's remains?

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Speaker 5: I hired my friend mister Walgrove and his crew just

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Speaker 5: to be thorough.

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Speaker 9: Yes, so what so you weren't looking for Elma. You

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Speaker 9: were looking for a corpse. Well, everyone else was looking

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Speaker 9: for an alive Elma. Elias the Ring was looking for

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Speaker 9: a dead Alma in the nearest body of water, which

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Speaker 9: tells us he knew she planned to drown herself close

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Speaker 4: Speculation. I didn't know anything.

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Speaker 9: You knew Alma was dead before there was a suspect.

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Speaker 10: You're a suspect, your honor. Elias Ring is not a

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Speaker 10: suspect here. He was at home, drunk and sleeping when

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Speaker 10: Elma was murdered.

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Speaker 4: That's right, move on, castlers. I'm a good man.

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Speaker 5: I was thinking at the time that if Elma had

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Speaker 5: died alone out there in the cold, that I'd want

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Speaker 5: to be the one to find her corpse to spare

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Speaker 5: the women and children from having to find it.

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Speaker 4: That's all, gentlemen.

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Speaker 10: Alma did not throw herself into the river or anybody

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Speaker 10: of water for that matter. Mister Ring's search was unsuccessful.

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Speaker 10: And why because Alma was found battered in a well,

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Speaker 10: not the river. And frankly, my colleagues idea that Alma

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Speaker 10: took her own life is lazy and downright dense. When

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Speaker 10: someone commits suicide, they do it alone. My next witnesses

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Speaker 10: will confirm Alma Sants was not alone at the Manhattan well.

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Speaker 4: She was slaughtered.

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Speaker 1: In light of the defense counsel's continued effort to paint

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Speaker 1: Alma as suicidal and flood the jury with other theories,

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Speaker 1: Coldon had to go back to the drawing board to

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Speaker 1: prove that Alma was in fact murdered. So to build

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Speaker 1: a full timeline for the jury of what happened that night,

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Speaker 1: he called up witnesses who had interacted with Alma after

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Speaker 1: she left the boarding house. He started with Alma's neighbor,

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Speaker 1: Kate Lyon.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for calling me, mister Colton.

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Speaker 10: Thank you for being here, Missus Lyon. So can you

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Speaker 10: tell us about the night of December twenty second, seventeen

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Speaker 2: I saw Alma just moments before she was murdered.

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Speaker 4: Was Elma alone when you saw her?

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Speaker 2: I don't think she was alone? It was hard to see.

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Speaker 9: Wait, you couldn't see anything.

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Speaker 12: The lamps on our street are useless, mister Hamilton, covered

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Speaker 12: street lamb that was right near my house.

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Speaker 9: So Elma might have been alone when you saw her, but.

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Speaker 4: You don't know.

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Speaker 2: I didn't see anyone with her.

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Speaker 9: You just said someone was with Elma. Now you're saying

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Speaker 9: she was alone, you're honor.

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Speaker 2: There was someone calling out to her, hurrying her along.

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Speaker 9: Be more specific, Missus Lyon. If we're to believe a

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Speaker 9: word you say.

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Speaker 2: I'm trying, mister Hamilton.

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Speaker 9: Where did you encounter Elma exactly?

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Speaker 11: Are you certain it was her?

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Speaker 9: I don't know how you could be certain of anything

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Speaker 9: if you couldn't see.

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Speaker 12: But I saw Alma just on from the wings on

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Speaker 2: I'm certain it was Alma. It was around eight pm.

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Speaker 4: What were you doing?

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Speaker 2: I was helping a friend who'd fallen in the snow.

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Speaker 13: Oh, it's twisted, Missus Lyon. Alma, is that you?

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Speaker 14: Yes?

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Speaker 13: Yes? Are you okay? Do you need my lantern? Mary

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Speaker 13: slipped on the curb over here?

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Speaker 4: What were you doing?

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Speaker 13: I'm coming to help you, Missus Lyon. I can get

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Speaker 13: her home. Elma, it's all right, are you sure? Oh?

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Speaker 13: Just take my light at least?

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Speaker 14: No.

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Speaker 13: I'm okay, sweetheart, Thank you. You go have a fun night.

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Speaker 1: So Elma walked north on Greenwich Street after she left

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Speaker 1: the boarding house. She stopped offering to help her neighbors,

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Speaker 1: and someone in the distance started rushing her along. Alma

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Speaker 1: continued walking, following that person, disappearing into the dark up

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Speaker 2: Then I walked north on Broadway towards Chatham Street.

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Speaker 4: Did you see Elma again that night, Missus Lyon?

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Speaker 12: I never saw Alma again. No, But when I passed

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Speaker 12: the Listpernards.

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Speaker 2: I heard her voice. Speculation not speculation, mister Hamilton. I

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Speaker 2: heard Alma screaming.

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Speaker 12: I was on Spring Street, the southernmost hill of the

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Speaker 13: What are you doing?

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Speaker 14: Oh?

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Speaker 13: No, no, no.

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Speaker 15: The cries were shrill, a young woman's voice, most definitely.

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Speaker 1: Coldon had several witnesses who heard screams from the Manhattan

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Speaker 1: Well that night, including this guy, Henry Orr, a carpenter

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Speaker 1: and resident of the Third Ward. At this point, New

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Speaker 1: York was organized into wards instead of neighborhoods like we

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Speaker 1: have now.

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Speaker 4: Mister or The screams you heard did not sound like

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Speaker 4: a suicide, right.

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Speaker 15: I don't know what suicide sounds like, mister Colton. But

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Speaker 15: at the Manhattan Well that night, I heard.

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Speaker 11: Violence, sir.

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Speaker 9: If you thought you heard violence.

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Speaker 11: Well I heard violence.

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Speaker 16: Sir.

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Speaker 9: If you thought so, why didn't you intervene, get involved?

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Speaker 9: Maybe save the girl?

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Speaker 15: Certainly that wasn't my job. Whose job wasn't another one.

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Speaker 4: Of the vice tenders?

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Speaker 15: Maybe someone stronger than me, sir.

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Speaker 9: If you had an instinct but she was being really hurt,

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Speaker 9: I'm sure you would have stopped to help.

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Speaker 6: Murder someone help.

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Speaker 14: The cries still haunt my dreams.

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Speaker 6: She has constant nightmares. I mean they're constant.

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Speaker 1: Lawrence and Arnetta van Norden, who also heard the screams

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Speaker 4: So you two were together when you heard Alma dne Oh.

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Speaker 14: Yes, we were together. We were together that night. We

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Speaker 15: What's the point in marrying someone if you don't want

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Speaker 2: Oh, honey, I love you so bad.

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Speaker 4: I love you so bad.

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Speaker 1: Literally, imagine this amount of PBA in a modern courtroom.

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Speaker 1: It's iconic.

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Speaker 4: Can you too, please tell the Jerry what you were

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Speaker 4: doing that night? Around eight thirty.

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Speaker 6: We were just getting ready to hit the.

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Speaker 2: We were putting our pajamas on.

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Speaker 4: What did you hear exactly?

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Speaker 14: Oh?

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Speaker 4: We heard the screams. The screams, the echoes, Elma Sands,

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Speaker 4: very last words ever spoken on this earth. Someone help me.

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Speaker 4: We rushed over to the window.

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Speaker 6: We have a clear view of the Manhattan Well from

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Speaker 4: It's completely changed our neighborhood.

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Speaker 14: But we have to look at it every day and

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Speaker 6: We keep our shades closed all the time.

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Speaker 10: Now, well, mister and missus van Norden, after you heard

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Speaker 10: the screams, what did you see from your window?

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Speaker 11: We saw the murder.

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Speaker 4: Mister calder objection overruled.

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Speaker 14: The screams stopped By the time we got to the window,

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Speaker 14: all we saw was a man pacing around the well, pacing,

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Speaker 14: Missus van Norden, Yes, like he'd just thrown somebody into

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Speaker 4: Didn't know what to do next.

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Speaker 9: Order you're on.

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Speaker 10: As we know, Levi is known for his anxious pacing,

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Speaker 10: and Levi was with Elma that night, so he is

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Speaker 10: evidently the murderer. Objection, Save your breath, Hamilton, I have

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Speaker 10: nothing further for these wonderful witnesses.

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Speaker 9: Thank you, mister and Missus van Norton.

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Speaker 6: Yes, mister Hamilton, nice to meet too.

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Speaker 9: Why didn't you go outside when you first heard the screams.

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Speaker 6: I'm a tailor, sir, not a hero.

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Speaker 2: You're my hero, baby, Oh with.

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Speaker 9: Your mind, dearish, So you hurt someone vaguely.

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Speaker 14: Yelling, not someone and not vaguely. You know, we heard

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Speaker 14: a woman screaming murder.

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Speaker 9: You heard screams, and then you stayed in your bedroom.

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Speaker 4: We were terrified.

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Speaker 8: Mister van Norton. How far is your home from the well?

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Speaker 4: Four hundred yards?

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Speaker 2: I'd say six hundred yards.

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Speaker 6: Baby, final answer, five hundred yards.

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Speaker 4: Marriage is all about compromise.

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Speaker 11: Gentlemen of the jury.

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Speaker 8: That's too far away for a trustworthy eyewitness account.

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Speaker 7: Tailors have excellent eyesight, mister.

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Speaker 4: Bird, perfect eyesight, and they both heard Elma screaming.

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Speaker 8: They I heard someone screaming and they didn't see anything

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Speaker 8: except someone pacing.

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Speaker 9: Could have been Elma of pacing back and forth right

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Speaker 9: before throwing herself into the well.

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Speaker 4: Why would she scream murder while taking her own life,

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Speaker 4: mister Hamilton.

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Speaker 9: Mister and Missus van Nord was the figure pacing with

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Speaker 9: a limp a limp. It's hard to say what his

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Speaker 9: gait was like because you couldn't see anything.

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Speaker 4: We heard everything, mister Hamilton.

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Speaker 5: In some ways that's worse.

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Speaker 13: Well, let me go.

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Speaker 1: I didn't hand the screams, and this is Margaret Freeman

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Speaker 1: of the eighth Ward.

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Speaker 17: But I saw the murderer and the victim right before

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Speaker 17: it happens.

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Speaker 1: Yet another person who was in the vicinity of the

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Speaker 1: murder site the night of December twenty second, Where.

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Speaker 4: Did you encounter the murderer, Missus Freeman.

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Speaker 17: I was with my children headed home from meeting and

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Speaker 17: where is your church? Bowery off the list, Bernards.

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Speaker 4: So on the night of December twenty second.

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Speaker 17: Services ended at eight pm and we started walking home

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Speaker 17: right away because my son had to peek.

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Speaker 13: I can't kiss my own hands.

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Speaker 18: Mommy, walk closer to me, Harry, I've got you, Harry,

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Speaker 18: Harry Hey slowed down.

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Speaker 7: You idiots, almost said, my kid, are you kidding me?

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Speaker 13: Hey?

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Speaker 7: Stop stop right there? But they didn't stop. They rushed away.

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Speaker 9: Missus freeman, How could this single horse vehicle have overtaken

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Speaker 9: your son? Weren't you paying attention?

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Speaker 4: Objection? Badgering?

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Speaker 9: A horse and carriage is pretty large, It's hard to miss.

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Speaker 7: It was dark.

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Speaker 17: I didn't expect anyone to be on our street at

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Speaker 17: that time. Maybe my son was walking in the road,

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Speaker 17: but I didn't hear them coming because the horse.

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Speaker 7: Had no belts. Whole keeps their horses with no bells.

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Speaker 1: Spoiler alert. One person who was known for keeping their

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Speaker 1: horses with no bells was Ezra Weeks, Levi's older brother.

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Speaker 4: Did you see the people inside the sleigh?

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Speaker 17: It happened so fast after they almost hit my child? God,

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Speaker 17: but who did you see? I saw Alma Stands, Sir,

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Speaker 17: and two men with her who I now assume we're

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Speaker 17: Levi and Ezra Weeks.

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Speaker 10: Speculation, Missus freeman, you saw Alma Sands in the sleigh?

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Speaker 4: Correct.

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Speaker 7: Yes, I saw Alma with either one or two men.

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Speaker 9: If she couldn't tell whether it was one or two men,

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Speaker 9: how could you possibly tell it was Alma?

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Speaker 7: I know it was her, I saw her, I felt her.

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Speaker 7: I still can't fathom.

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Speaker 9: We do respect, missus Freeman. Our constitution doesn't care whether

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Speaker 9: you can fathom the victim's.

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Speaker 11: Death, Missus Freeman.

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Speaker 7: Yes, mister Burr, you told a lot of.

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Speaker 11: People about your encounter with this sleigh.

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Speaker 2: I told some people.

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Speaker 11: When did you start telling people.

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Speaker 7: Whenever it came up in conversation?

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Speaker 2: Mister Birth, I'll.

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Speaker 8: Be more specific, when did you start broadcasting this little

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Speaker 8: tale about your pre death encounter with Alma.

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Speaker 7: Sans around January?

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Speaker 11: Right after the victim's body was found? How convenient?

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Speaker 2: What do you mean convenient?

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Speaker 17: As soon as it became information, I would tell people

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Speaker 17: before that it was just another story.

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Speaker 1: So Hamilton and Birth thought they could win this case

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Speaker 1: just by diminishing the credibility of all of Colvin's witnesses.

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Speaker 1: Their focus was just creating reasonable doubt, and since all

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Speaker 1: the jurors were their peers and colleagues who they knew

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Speaker 1: and could relate to, and since most of Colvin's witnesses

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Speaker 1: were women. It was all too easy.

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Speaker 11: Did you tell any journalists about your story?

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Speaker 7: I told friends, I told family, some journalists.

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Speaker 11: Did you tell anyone in exchange for goods or money?

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Speaker 3: Yes?

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Speaker 7: I needed eggs and barley. I have two kids to feed.

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Speaker 8: So what your honor?

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Speaker 11: How can we trust a woman who sells her storring?

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Speaker 7: Not today? I'm a Methodist, You're on and not a liar.

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Speaker 17: I was taking my kids home from church and I

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Speaker 17: saw Elma right before Levi weeks killed her.

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Speaker 7: She looked me in the eyes, I heard her.

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Speaker 11: We have nothing further for this story, selling.

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Speaker 17: Runner, I know it with Elma, I'm not telling stories.

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Speaker 7: Found I am not telling stories. I know the truth.

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Speaker 1: So several witnesses confirmed that there was a sleigh with

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Speaker 1: multiple passengers and no bells near the Lisbonnard meadows around

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Speaker 1: the time of the murder. More witnesses confirmed screams of

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Speaker 1: murder and help me around eight thirty and as you

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Speaker 1: might remember from the last episode, Levi didn't have access

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Speaker 1: to horses, but Catherine suggested that he could borrow his

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Speaker 1: brother's sleigh because Ezra had tons of horses. If Coldon

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Speaker 1: could just prove that Levi took Elma to the murder

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Speaker 1: site in his brother's sleigh. Case closed right, So to

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Speaker 1: put this all toge other, he tried to turn the

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Speaker 1: jury's attention to Ezra Weeks.

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Speaker 2: It was Ezra Weeks.

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Speaker 16: Ezra took out his horse and sleigh the same night,

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Speaker 16: the same hour Elma Sands was murdered.

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Speaker 1: So Coldon called Ezra Weeks's neighbor on Nasau Street, Susannah Broad.

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Speaker 1: She was sitting in her house at the time of

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Speaker 1: the murder, and her window overlooked Ezra's horses in the yard.

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Speaker 4: What time did Ezra's horse and slay leave the property

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Speaker 4: that night?

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Speaker 16: Just before eight pm?

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Speaker 4: And when did the vehicle return.

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Speaker 16: Within the hour?

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Speaker 4: One hour? Just enough time to pick up Elman Levi

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Speaker 4: on Greynnch Street, or.

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Speaker 9: To go jaculating the witness.

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Speaker 10: Or go to the Manhattan well and assist his brother

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Speaker 10: in a murder. Nothing further from the prosecution. Thank you, missus.

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Speaker 9: Brod, missus Broad, Or may I call you Susannah?

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Speaker 8: You may not, mister Hamilton, Susannah, why do you think

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Speaker 8: you saw Asras slay leaving the yards?

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Speaker 16: But I don't think it, I know it.

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Speaker 2: I saw it.

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Speaker 9: Why do you think it was eight p I.

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Speaker 16: Said it was a few minutes before eight pm. I

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Speaker 16: saw the sleigh right before my kids got home from services,

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Speaker 16: which ended at eight on Sunday nights.

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Speaker 9: So your kids weren't home when you saw Asrarisley leave

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Speaker 9: the yard.

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Speaker 16: No, my kids came home a few minutes after that.

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Speaker 16: So you were home alone, yes, until my kids came home.

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Speaker 9: Where were your kids when as Risley came back in?

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Speaker 16: I think they were downstairs?

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Speaker 9: You think, yes, you don't know where your own kids

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Speaker 9: were at which point? Or were you home alone?

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Speaker 13: When?

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Speaker 11: Mister Hamilton, when was any of this?

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Speaker 2: When was what?

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Speaker 16: I saw Ezra's horse and sleigh leave the yard just

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Speaker 16: before eight?

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Speaker 11: Then, s Hannah, what month?

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Speaker 13: What did you say, mister Burr?

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Speaker 11: Was it Christmas?

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Speaker 16: Was what Christmas?

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Speaker 8: Did you see Ezra Weeks in his lumber yard after

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Speaker 8: or before Christmas?

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Speaker 2: I see him all the time. He's my neighbor.

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Speaker 11: So you saw him after Christmas?

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Speaker 5: Yes?

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Speaker 16: I also saw him after Christmas?

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Speaker 8: So you didn't see him on the night Alma went missing?

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Speaker 9: I did, of course I did, sus Hannah, when did

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Speaker 9: you realize that you had important information about Ezra Week's.

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Speaker 16: Slagh When I saw Elma San's corpse in the yard

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Speaker 16: of the boarding house early January. Everybody was talking about

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Speaker 16: the body in the box outside Elias and Catherine Ring's house.

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Speaker 16: I had to go see for myself.

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Speaker 1: Catherine put her cousin's body on display outside her house

453
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Speaker 1: for thousands of people like Susannah to come see for themselves.

454
00:22:24,680 --> 00:22:27,679
Speaker 1: More on that in the next episode. But Catherine Ring's

455
00:22:27,680 --> 00:22:31,359
Speaker 1: decision to display her cousin's corpse outside two o eight

456
00:22:31,440 --> 00:22:35,560
Speaker 1: Greenwich Street changed the course of like everything.

457
00:22:39,840 --> 00:22:43,719
Speaker 9: So you saw the body and decided to spread a room. No,

458
00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:46,520
Speaker 9: mister Hamilton, I'm just having a hard time following what

459
00:22:46,560 --> 00:22:47,080
Speaker 9: you're saying.

460
00:22:47,520 --> 00:22:52,040
Speaker 16: You continue to interrupt me, Sir. When I went to

461
00:22:52,080 --> 00:22:55,200
Speaker 16: see the body, people were saying it was the Week's boy,

462
00:22:55,280 --> 00:22:58,840
Speaker 16: Levi Weeks killed the girl. I knew Ezra was his

463
00:22:58,920 --> 00:22:59,480
Speaker 16: older brother.

464
00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:02,280
Speaker 9: I thought, I So you thought you should start telling

465
00:23:02,359 --> 00:23:05,840
Speaker 9: people that you thought you saw Asra Sleigh maybe the

466
00:23:05,960 --> 00:23:06,720
Speaker 9: night Elma.

467
00:23:06,520 --> 00:23:08,560
Speaker 16: Disappeared, just in case it mattered.

468
00:23:09,080 --> 00:23:13,200
Speaker 9: So, before Elma's body was found, you never concerned yourself

469
00:23:13,240 --> 00:23:15,639
Speaker 9: with when or why Ezra Weeks took out his horses.

470
00:23:16,080 --> 00:23:18,280
Speaker 16: It happens frequently, mister Hamilton's sold and.

471
00:23:18,280 --> 00:23:20,560
Speaker 9: You happened to be home alone when you saw it

472
00:23:20,600 --> 00:23:21,600
Speaker 9: happen this time.

473
00:23:21,880 --> 00:23:25,120
Speaker 8: Plus all this may have happened in January.

474
00:23:25,280 --> 00:23:30,320
Speaker 9: So so this witness has zero credibility. Folks, she doesn't

475
00:23:30,320 --> 00:23:31,359
Speaker 9: know what she's talking about.

476
00:23:31,480 --> 00:23:32,640
Speaker 7: I know what I'm talking about.

477
00:23:32,720 --> 00:23:35,200
Speaker 16: I saw Ezra Weeks take his horse and slay out

478
00:23:35,200 --> 00:23:36,679
Speaker 16: on December twenty second.

479
00:23:37,080 --> 00:23:39,920
Speaker 7: He keeps his horse with no I thought.

480
00:23:39,720 --> 00:23:43,959
Speaker 8: Rushing went Ezra's sleigh to Alma Sand's death. Can we

481
00:23:44,040 --> 00:23:45,680
Speaker 8: move on from this tangent.

482
00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:49,080
Speaker 4: Shurey disagreements to birth. Alma left the Ringses at eight

483
00:23:49,480 --> 00:23:51,400
Speaker 4: She was seen in a sleigh at eight fifteen.

484
00:23:52,040 --> 00:23:54,040
Speaker 10: Her screams were heard from the Manhattan Well at eight

485
00:23:54,119 --> 00:23:57,399
Speaker 10: thirty five. If Levin murdered Elma thirty minutes after they

486
00:23:57,400 --> 00:23:57,960
Speaker 10: both left the.

487
00:23:57,880 --> 00:24:02,639
Speaker 4: Boarding objection speculation said if and if Levi brought Alma

488
00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:04,720
Speaker 4: to the murder site in a sleigh, the only sleigh

489
00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:06,080
Speaker 4: he could borrow was Ezra's.

490
00:24:06,160 --> 00:24:07,600
Speaker 11: Alma may have walked to the well.

491
00:24:07,800 --> 00:24:09,440
Speaker 4: It was much too cold for her to walk from

492
00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:11,440
Speaker 4: Greenwich Street to the list of nards she was.

493
00:24:11,480 --> 00:24:15,240
Speaker 8: Walking to end her life, Caldon, she wasn't thinking about

494
00:24:15,280 --> 00:24:16,000
Speaker 8: the temperature.

495
00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:19,000
Speaker 4: She actually did consider the cold.

496
00:24:19,119 --> 00:24:22,920
Speaker 10: Maybe she jogged, she borrowed a hand muff to stay warm.

497
00:24:23,520 --> 00:24:25,480
Speaker 10: She had plans to get married and then return the

498
00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:27,000
Speaker 10: hand muff, not into her life.

499
00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:28,800
Speaker 4: Plus it was almost Christmas.

500
00:24:29,160 --> 00:24:32,080
Speaker 11: That's your evidence, coldon Christmas.

501
00:24:32,359 --> 00:24:34,120
Speaker 4: What is a hand.

502
00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:37,760
Speaker 10: Muff the accessory that Alma wore that night? Eleven days

503
00:24:37,800 --> 00:24:40,280
Speaker 10: after Alma vanished, a young boy found it floating in

504
00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:43,439
Speaker 10: the Manhattan Well, that's how her body was discovered in

505
00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:44,119
Speaker 10: the first place.

506
00:24:44,520 --> 00:24:48,160
Speaker 1: The hand muff was an extremely important clue. Without it,

507
00:24:48,280 --> 00:24:51,920
Speaker 1: Alma's body may have never been discovered. This little dude

508
00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:52,439
Speaker 1: found it.

509
00:24:52,520 --> 00:24:54,560
Speaker 4: The prosecution calls William Blank.

510
00:24:54,800 --> 00:24:57,480
Speaker 1: And his testimony was vital for Coldon's case.

511
00:24:57,600 --> 00:24:59,800
Speaker 4: Sit down, I cannot see mister.

512
00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:04,119
Speaker 10: Okay, I'm here, sit on these books.

513
00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:08,080
Speaker 1: However, kids weren't really in school at this point. What

514
00:25:08,119 --> 00:25:10,680
Speaker 1: little education they were getting would have been from church.

515
00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:13,880
Speaker 1: So William's time on the stand went like this.

516
00:25:14,280 --> 00:25:14,840
Speaker 13: That's better.

517
00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:19,080
Speaker 10: So William tell the jury about that thing you found

518
00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:21,520
Speaker 10: in the Manhattan Well, well, I.

519
00:25:21,560 --> 00:25:22,600
Speaker 7: Was playing snow Angel.

520
00:25:24,119 --> 00:25:25,320
Speaker 11: You're under oath.

521
00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:29,639
Speaker 7: You are very short, mister bird. He's been shorter than

522
00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:30,639
Speaker 7: the pictures in the paper.

523
00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:33,919
Speaker 11: Do you know what an oath is Nope, but I.

524
00:25:33,840 --> 00:25:36,560
Speaker 3: Was playing snow Angel all the listen North and I

525
00:25:36,760 --> 00:25:37,560
Speaker 3: know how old are you?

526
00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:37,920
Speaker 9: Boy?

527
00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:42,120
Speaker 7: Almost thirteen? Are you Alexander Hamilton?

528
00:25:42,600 --> 00:25:42,840
Speaker 9: Yes?

529
00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:43,200
Speaker 4: I am.

530
00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:44,520
Speaker 9: Can you read?

531
00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:45,200
Speaker 13: No?

532
00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:47,399
Speaker 7: Well, I can read at church?

533
00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:48,320
Speaker 13: Can you read?

534
00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:50,280
Speaker 6: Mister Hamilton, your honor?

535
00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:53,800
Speaker 9: This is a child, not a credible source of information.

536
00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:55,280
Speaker 4: He's one of my key eyewitnesses.

537
00:25:55,800 --> 00:25:57,880
Speaker 6: I just can't admit his testimony.

538
00:25:58,160 --> 00:25:59,120
Speaker 4: I'm sorry, Caldon.

539
00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:02,520
Speaker 1: So if something didn't work for Hamilton and Burr, a

540
00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:05,600
Speaker 1: rule had to be made against it. Poor little William

541
00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:08,480
Speaker 1: Blank was removed from that witness stand faster than Hamilton

542
00:26:08,560 --> 00:26:10,640
Speaker 1: ran to Mariah Reynolds when Eliza left town.

543
00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:16,040
Speaker 6: Sorry said it, William, Hey, buddy, you can go sit

544
00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:16,600
Speaker 6: back down.

545
00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:17,680
Speaker 1: Coldon had to scramble.

546
00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:18,719
Speaker 13: This was a twist.

547
00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:20,520
Speaker 1: He'd really been counting on little William.

548
00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:25,720
Speaker 4: Wait, uh, okay, what about his parents? William? Do you

549
00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:27,119
Speaker 4: have a grown up in the courtroom with you?

550
00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:28,920
Speaker 13: Yeah? My dad's in the back row.

551
00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:29,680
Speaker 4: What's his name?

552
00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:33,240
Speaker 2: Andrew? Don't call him Andy. I don't mention the missing

553
00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:34,600
Speaker 2: buttons on his shirt because.

554
00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:35,560
Speaker 4: He will get really mad.

555
00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:41,119
Speaker 10: Andrew Blank. The prosecution calls Andrew Blank, father of William Blank.

556
00:26:41,560 --> 00:26:44,440
Speaker 1: So Andrew Blank was not a witness that Coldon was

557
00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:47,000
Speaker 1: planning to call. He was only there in the courtroom

558
00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:50,000
Speaker 1: to accompany his son, who was called to testify about

559
00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:53,760
Speaker 1: the hand muff. But clearly that backfired, so Andrew Blank

560
00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:56,600
Speaker 1: came up to the stand and became an unexpected hero

561
00:26:56,760 --> 00:26:57,600
Speaker 1: for the prosecution.

562
00:26:57,800 --> 00:26:59,440
Speaker 2: Check this out, mister Blank.

563
00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:01,439
Speaker 4: Sun found Elma's hand muff right.

564
00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:05,000
Speaker 6: That's right, mister Colton at the list Bannards. He knows

565
00:27:05,040 --> 00:27:06,520
Speaker 6: not to go near the well, but he saw it

566
00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:09,119
Speaker 6: floating right on the water. He carried it home to

567
00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:11,800
Speaker 6: me like a treasure. I followed him back to the well.

568
00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:14,119
Speaker 6: What did you see when you got there, mister Blank?

569
00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:17,040
Speaker 6: I noticed the sleigh track, a sleigh track, and the

570
00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:18,040
Speaker 6: footprints around the well.

571
00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:21,560
Speaker 8: Alma's footprints most likely, mister Burr, you don't know whose

572
00:27:21,560 --> 00:27:24,879
Speaker 8: footprints they were. If there was only one set of footprints,

573
00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:29,320
Speaker 8: Alma must have been alone Coldon for her suicide.

574
00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:31,800
Speaker 4: Or LEVI carried Alma from the sleigh straight to the

575
00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:35,040
Speaker 4: well and they were his foot PRIs or Alma walked

576
00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:36,320
Speaker 4: too likely to leave footprints.

577
00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:39,560
Speaker 6: If I made your honor, yes, go ahead, mister Blake.

578
00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:41,600
Speaker 9: Coldon, you don't make the rules.

579
00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:44,639
Speaker 4: But yes, go ahead, mister Blank.

580
00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:48,280
Speaker 6: The footprints I saw were large and flat, like heavy boots,

581
00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:51,560
Speaker 6: heavy boots, and missus rain Catherine.

582
00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:53,679
Speaker 2: Met Yes, yes, mister Colon.

583
00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:56,240
Speaker 7: Should I come back up there?

584
00:27:56,840 --> 00:27:57,640
Speaker 4: Not necessary?

585
00:27:57,720 --> 00:28:00,399
Speaker 10: Just tell us about Alma's feet, please, Catherine, or her

586
00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:01,560
Speaker 10: shoes specifically.

587
00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:04,760
Speaker 18: Actually, I always made fun of her little feet.

588
00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:08,360
Speaker 1: Her shoes were arched and dainty.

589
00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:10,760
Speaker 13: Yeah, that's right.

590
00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:16,359
Speaker 10: Alma had tiny little feet. Alma had tiny feet. But

591
00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:19,000
Speaker 10: the footprints at the well were heavy and flat. They

592
00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:22,120
Speaker 10: were Levi Weeks's footprints, your honor. He dumped Alma into

593
00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:24,760
Speaker 10: the well. He paced around in the snow injection. Clearly

594
00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:26,240
Speaker 10: no one had been to the well in days, or

595
00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:27,479
Speaker 10: the muff would have been discovered soon.

596
00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:28,879
Speaker 11: You're on our objection.

597
00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:33,480
Speaker 4: Move on, Colvin. Mister Blank, do you go to the

598
00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:34,639
Speaker 4: list Bonnards? Very often?

599
00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:37,400
Speaker 6: It's near my house and I let my son play there,

600
00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:38,320
Speaker 6: but otherwise.

601
00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:40,480
Speaker 4: Now, so your family doesn't get their water from the

602
00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:41,120
Speaker 4: Manhattan well.

603
00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:42,600
Speaker 6: No, definitely not.

604
00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:45,080
Speaker 10: But it's the closest well to your house, mister Blank,

605
00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:46,440
Speaker 10: Why don't you use it for water?

606
00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:51,080
Speaker 6: The Manhattan Company doesn't care about clean water. They're frods.

607
00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:54,040
Speaker 6: Wells are scam. They're dirty, and they don't even pump

608
00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:55,440
Speaker 6: water to the homes that pay for it.

609
00:28:56,200 --> 00:28:58,640
Speaker 4: Did you know that mister Burke created the Manhattan Company?

610
00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:03,200
Speaker 4: Shoot and you just admitted that Aaron Burr is untrustworthy

611
00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:03,840
Speaker 4: and corrupt.

612
00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:07,920
Speaker 6: Yes, just the pipes are wood, not iron. And I've

613
00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:09,959
Speaker 6: lost so many friends to the fever. I didn't need

614
00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:10,640
Speaker 6: to offend anyone.

615
00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:11,920
Speaker 4: You're not offending anyone.

616
00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:13,400
Speaker 11: I'm offended your honor.

617
00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:17,800
Speaker 1: And even though he's offended, Aaron Burr's company did own

618
00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:21,920
Speaker 1: the murder site. This is the unbelievable situation in the

619
00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:25,200
Speaker 1: late seventeen hundreds. As I've said, Aaron Burr and Alexander

620
00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:28,600
Speaker 1: Hamilton didn't have any money personally. They were both constantly

621
00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:31,960
Speaker 1: in debt, but they really wanted to control other people's money,

622
00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:35,840
Speaker 1: the city's money, Federalist money, Democratic Republican money, money, money,

623
00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:39,080
Speaker 1: money money. Aaron Burr wanted to start a bank, but

624
00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:42,400
Speaker 1: Hamilton shut him out of all things fiscal. After serving

625
00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:44,920
Speaker 1: as the nation's first Secretary of Treasury. He was not

626
00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:47,960
Speaker 1: about to let his frenemy get involved and start a bank,

627
00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:52,920
Speaker 1: so instead Aaron Burr started the Manhattan Company in seventeen

628
00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:57,040
Speaker 1: ninety nine, Aaron Burr knew that people were panicking about

629
00:29:57,040 --> 00:30:00,640
Speaker 1: the yellow fever potentially being caused by dirty bracket from

630
00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:03,640
Speaker 1: the collect So he saw an opportunity to start a

631
00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:07,640
Speaker 1: business and call it a municipal water works. He puts

632
00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:10,440
Speaker 1: some wells up around Manhattan, including the one where Elma

633
00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:14,080
Speaker 1: was murdered, and the Manhattan Company was created. But there

634
00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:16,560
Speaker 1: was some fine print in the whole Manhattan Company deal.

635
00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:20,360
Speaker 1: It said that the company aka Erin Burr himself, could

636
00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:23,760
Speaker 1: do whatever he wanted with its surplus money. So of

637
00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:27,160
Speaker 1: course he opened a bank. His concern was not clean

638
00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:29,840
Speaker 1: water nor good water wells, but he did use the

639
00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:32,760
Speaker 1: idea of clean water to start a company that's now

640
00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:37,520
Speaker 1: Chase Manhattan Bank. Dirty water, dirty money. Am I right?

641
00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:40,920
Speaker 6: Well, I don't think mister Burr himself built the.

642
00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:45,880
Speaker 8: Wells, obviously, I'm a public figure and politician, not a builder.

643
00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:50,320
Speaker 4: Oh, I didn't realize who built the wells, mister Blank?

644
00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:51,280
Speaker 13: Do you know?

645
00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:56,040
Speaker 6: Probably mister Weeks? Right, doesn't mister Weeks do all those

646
00:30:56,200 --> 00:30:58,719
Speaker 6: kinds of contrasts, dejection, relevance?

647
00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:01,120
Speaker 4: Mister Blank? Did you say lee By Weeks built the

648
00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:02,200
Speaker 4: Manhattan well? No?

649
00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:04,400
Speaker 6: No, not Levi Ezra.

650
00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:10,720
Speaker 9: Your honor, Stop this, your honor, who cares if Ezra

651
00:31:10,840 --> 00:31:13,600
Speaker 9: Weeks does freelance work for us? It's tangential.

652
00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:17,880
Speaker 4: Well, this is something, This is really just something.

653
00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:20,800
Speaker 10: I didn't realize that Levi and Ezra Weeks are such

654
00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:22,240
Speaker 10: close friends with the opponents.

655
00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:25,320
Speaker 9: In due respect, your honor, analyzing our relationship to our

656
00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:28,240
Speaker 9: client is a profound waste of the jury's time.

657
00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:30,640
Speaker 10: I'd agree with that if Ezra built the murder site,

658
00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:32,760
Speaker 10: plus his horse and slay were used in the murder,

659
00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:34,880
Speaker 10: Plus he was always looking out for Levi, who wanted

660
00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:36,360
Speaker 10: his girlfriend Elma out of the picture.

661
00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:38,360
Speaker 9: Your honor, questions, Colden.

662
00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:40,600
Speaker 10: It's obvious to me that the Week's brother's murdered Elma

663
00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:42,880
Speaker 10: in cold blood, dumped her in the well, and they

664
00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:43,960
Speaker 10: thought they'd get away.

665
00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:48,240
Speaker 13: With your finished defense, counsel, it's your witness for cross examination.

666
00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:52,920
Speaker 11: Finally, mister Blank, good afternoon.

667
00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:53,880
Speaker 6: Good afternoon, mister Burr.

668
00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:59,240
Speaker 8: I'll disregard your assassination of my name and my company

669
00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:03,760
Speaker 8: and just ask you, how do you have so much

670
00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:06,960
Speaker 8: information about so many things?

671
00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:08,000
Speaker 6: Excuse me?

672
00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:12,040
Speaker 8: You seem to have a lot of intricate details for

673
00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:16,400
Speaker 8: someone who's not remotely important to this case. Your kid

674
00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:20,400
Speaker 8: found a hand muff and that's it. You're wasting the

675
00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:21,480
Speaker 8: jury's time.

676
00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:26,680
Speaker 6: But I have found her. What, mister Blank, I helped

677
00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:29,120
Speaker 6: find Elma, which no one asked me about quite yet.

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Speaker 4: Right, why hasn't this come up? You found Elma, Sir.

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Speaker 6: On January second, eighteen hundred, from the Manhattan Well. I

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Speaker 6: was actually the first one to see her.

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Speaker 1: That's right, Andrew Blank was there when Elma's body was found.

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Speaker 1: So Coldon had this unexpected triumph. He stumbled upon a

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Speaker 1: witness who helped pull Elma's corpse from the well and

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Speaker 1: like at that pint. Plus all those witnesses who saw

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Speaker 1: a sleigh, or heard screams, or interacted with Elma on

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Speaker 1: the night of the murder all strengthened Colden's case against

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Speaker 1: Levi weeks. He proved that both Levi and Ezra could

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Speaker 1: have been there with Elma when she was murdered. They

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Speaker 1: both knew the well very well. Ezra built it with

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Speaker 1: his own hands for his good friend Aaron Burr's scam company,

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Speaker 1: and of course it was Levi's idea for Elma to

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Speaker 1: be out that night. All dressed up to start forever

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Speaker 1: with him. The Week's brothers cared about public perception. They

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Speaker 1: worked on big contracts for high profile clients. They got

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Speaker 1: invited to fancy parties. Alma Sands was hardly the girl

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Speaker 1: that Ezra Weeks would have envisioned his little brother with.

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Speaker 1: Perhaps they wanted to get her out of the way permanently,

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Speaker 1: so a few hours into the trial, Colden was feeling

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Speaker 1: more confident. It seemed like he was bound to win.

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Speaker 1: But in the next episode, one of his star witnesses

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Speaker 1: turns against him, and Catherine's decision to display her cousin's

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Speaker 1: body to the public has earth shattering consequences. This is erased,

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Speaker 1: Stay with Us erased. The Murder of Elma Sands is

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Speaker 1: Williams as Katherine Ring, Tony Goldwyn as Alexander Hamilton, Barry

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