1 00:00:15,370 --> 00:00:26,890 Speaker 1: Pushkin Friday, the nineteenth of July two thousand and two 2 00:00:27,450 --> 00:00:31,450 Speaker 1: the Shubert Theater in Chicago. The curtain was about to 3 00:00:31,490 --> 00:00:34,170 Speaker 1: go up on the world premiere of a new show 4 00:00:35,090 --> 00:00:39,450 Speaker 1: trumpeted as the new Broadway Musical. Yes, I know it 5 00:00:39,490 --> 00:00:43,450 Speaker 1: wasn't on Broadway yet, but it was headed there. It 6 00:00:43,650 --> 00:00:47,490 Speaker 1: wasn't really a musical either. Creatively, the show broke down 7 00:00:47,570 --> 00:00:52,210 Speaker 1: barriers between art forms. It was innovative, a crossover between 8 00:00:52,250 --> 00:00:55,690 Speaker 1: a concert, a musical, and a ballet. The band was 9 00:00:55,730 --> 00:00:59,250 Speaker 1: on stage playing and singing while the cast danced and 10 00:00:59,490 --> 00:01:03,850 Speaker 1: didn't utter a word. But despite its boundary blurring nature, 11 00:01:04,290 --> 00:01:06,730 Speaker 1: its creators had high hopes that it would be a 12 00:01:06,730 --> 00:01:10,970 Speaker 1: commercial as well as critical success. Big name investors had 13 00:01:10,970 --> 00:01:17,290 Speaker 1: poured more than eight million dollars into the show. Stuart Malina, 14 00:01:17,610 --> 00:01:20,530 Speaker 1: a classical pianist and conductor who was on the show's 15 00:01:20,570 --> 00:01:25,450 Speaker 1: creative team, was giddy with excitement. Sometimes I have to 16 00:01:25,650 --> 00:01:30,210 Speaker 1: pinch myself well. Indeed, Melina was orchestrating the music of 17 00:01:30,250 --> 00:01:33,810 Speaker 1: a man who sold more records than Frank Sinatra or 18 00:01:33,810 --> 00:01:37,690 Speaker 1: the Beegs or the Red Hot Chili Peppers. In fact, 19 00:01:38,170 --> 00:01:40,850 Speaker 1: he sold more records than all three of them put 20 00:01:40,890 --> 00:01:46,730 Speaker 1: together Billy Joel. But while Billy Joel was a huge star, 21 00:01:47,330 --> 00:01:49,850 Speaker 1: Joel was in no doubt as to who was in charge. 22 00:01:50,490 --> 00:01:53,730 Speaker 1: If you stand in Twiler's way, you die, he said. 23 00:01:54,610 --> 00:02:00,850 Speaker 1: Twiler Twiler Tharp, a giant of American choreography, a force 24 00:02:00,890 --> 00:02:05,050 Speaker 1: of nature in the nineteen seventies, should choreograph dances for 25 00:02:05,050 --> 00:02:09,370 Speaker 1: the Great Ballet principal Mikhail Barishnikov. In the nineteen eight is, 26 00:02:09,490 --> 00:02:12,770 Speaker 1: she'd worked with John Curry, the World and Olympic figure 27 00:02:12,810 --> 00:02:16,930 Speaker 1: skating champion, and on Amadeus, the Mozart movie that won 28 00:02:17,050 --> 00:02:21,330 Speaker 1: Best Picture, Best Actor, Best Director, and five other Oscars. 29 00:02:21,970 --> 00:02:26,090 Speaker 1: But now she wanted to put her sophisticated choreography right 30 00:02:26,250 --> 00:02:29,810 Speaker 1: at the heart of a blockbuster show. Her aim, she said, 31 00:02:30,250 --> 00:02:34,410 Speaker 1: was something that would finally make dancing pay for the dancers. 32 00:02:36,050 --> 00:02:39,730 Speaker 1: It had all started two years before, when Twiler decided 33 00:02:39,770 --> 00:02:42,370 Speaker 1: that she wanted to make a show out of Joel's music. 34 00:02:43,090 --> 00:02:45,610 Speaker 1: She didn't know him, but she got his phone number 35 00:02:45,930 --> 00:02:49,090 Speaker 1: and she called him when pitching the idea to him. 36 00:02:49,130 --> 00:02:52,210 Speaker 1: She made a twenty minute film of her choreography set 37 00:02:52,250 --> 00:02:55,130 Speaker 1: to his music. Then she invited him over to her 38 00:02:55,130 --> 00:02:58,170 Speaker 1: home on the Upper West side of Manhattan to play 39 00:02:58,210 --> 00:03:03,250 Speaker 1: him the video. I didn't know my stuff could look 40 00:03:03,290 --> 00:03:05,890 Speaker 1: so good, he said, And then she made the pitch. 41 00:03:06,530 --> 00:03:09,490 Speaker 1: I want to do a show using your song to 42 00:03:09,570 --> 00:03:11,410 Speaker 1: tell a story. I don't know what it is yet, 43 00:03:11,450 --> 00:03:15,370 Speaker 1: but first I need your permission. Okay, he said, you 44 00:03:15,410 --> 00:03:18,530 Speaker 1: have it. I'm also going to need access to your 45 00:03:18,810 --> 00:03:23,970 Speaker 1: entire song catalog. Fine, they shook hands. Twiler had the 46 00:03:24,050 --> 00:03:27,810 Speaker 1: creative freedom she wanted, but was it freedom to crown 47 00:03:27,930 --> 00:03:33,930 Speaker 1: her glorious career or freedom to wreck it. I'm Tim Harford, 48 00:03:34,650 --> 00:03:59,930 Speaker 1: you're listening to cautionary tales. A mere two years had 49 00:03:59,930 --> 00:04:03,330 Speaker 1: passed between Twiler Tharpe's Call to Billy Joel and that 50 00:04:03,610 --> 00:04:08,410 Speaker 1: summer evening at Chicago's Schubert Theater. It wasn't Broadway yet, 51 00:04:08,730 --> 00:04:12,650 Speaker 1: but it was a big moment. As preview audiences waited 52 00:04:12,690 --> 00:04:17,290 Speaker 1: for their first glimpse of moving out the new Broadway musical. 53 00:04:19,130 --> 00:04:22,570 Speaker 1: The lights went up right in the middle of the stage, 54 00:04:22,850 --> 00:04:31,130 Speaker 1: the musicians started to play. Thanks to some spectacular hydraulics, 55 00:04:31,450 --> 00:04:35,050 Speaker 1: the entire band was then lifted back and up to 56 00:04:35,170 --> 00:04:37,970 Speaker 1: a balcony at the rear of the stage. As the 57 00:04:38,090 --> 00:04:41,610 Speaker 1: dance has emerged and burst into motion to the tune 58 00:04:41,610 --> 00:04:49,970 Speaker 1: of scenes from an Italian restaurant. There was just one problem. 59 00:04:50,050 --> 00:04:56,050 Speaker 1: The critics, stupefyingly cliche and almost embarrassingly naive, leaves half 60 00:04:56,050 --> 00:05:00,210 Speaker 1: the audience asking the other half what just happened. They 61 00:05:00,290 --> 00:05:04,610 Speaker 1: were not impressed. Even the sympathetic ones thought the show 62 00:05:04,690 --> 00:05:09,250 Speaker 1: was flawed. Moving Out is a glorious mess. If the 63 00:05:09,250 --> 00:05:13,730 Speaker 1: theatrical jury acquits, so be it. If not, let it 64 00:05:13,770 --> 00:05:18,410 Speaker 1: live in memory as a magnificent failure. And for most 65 00:05:18,890 --> 00:05:23,370 Speaker 1: the word failure loomed much larger than the word magnificent. 66 00:05:24,210 --> 00:05:27,570 Speaker 1: They did not like it condens's history to the point 67 00:05:27,650 --> 00:05:31,290 Speaker 1: of meaninglessness. They did not like it at all. If 68 00:05:31,290 --> 00:05:34,570 Speaker 1: Oliver Stone did a Broadway dance musical, and truly that's 69 00:05:34,610 --> 00:05:37,250 Speaker 1: not a suggestion, it might come out like the more 70 00:05:37,370 --> 00:05:41,170 Speaker 1: risible passages of Moving Out. Moving Out came with the 71 00:05:41,250 --> 00:05:44,970 Speaker 1: highest of hopes, the most talented of casts and the 72 00:05:45,010 --> 00:05:49,010 Speaker 1: most celebrated of celebrity creators, at least as silly as 73 00:05:49,050 --> 00:05:54,530 Speaker 1: anything in Reefer Madness, pile driving, and ill conceived. The 74 00:05:54,610 --> 00:05:58,370 Speaker 1: curtain came down on that opening night of the Chicago previews. 75 00:05:59,530 --> 00:06:04,690 Speaker 1: The audience and the critics alike were confused. What exactly 76 00:06:04,810 --> 00:06:08,330 Speaker 1: was this show trying to do? It wasn't clear. In 77 00:06:08,450 --> 00:06:13,490 Speaker 1: watching nearly two hours, a feeling of exhausting relentlessness sets in. 78 00:06:13,810 --> 00:06:16,450 Speaker 1: For those in search of a heart wrenching story. You 79 00:06:16,570 --> 00:06:21,850 Speaker 1: had better be moving on. One thing was clear, though, 80 00:06:22,570 --> 00:06:26,010 Speaker 1: in the opinion of the critics, the show just wasn't 81 00:06:26,010 --> 00:06:31,730 Speaker 1: good enough. You must realize by now that I'm fascinated 82 00:06:31,810 --> 00:06:36,410 Speaker 1: by failure. That's why cautionary tales exists. In fact, I've 83 00:06:36,410 --> 00:06:40,410 Speaker 1: been fascinated by failure for a long time. Back in 84 00:06:40,490 --> 00:06:44,330 Speaker 1: two thousand and eleven, I published a book titled adapt 85 00:06:44,930 --> 00:06:49,610 Speaker 1: Why Success Always Starts with Failure. I spoke about the 86 00:06:49,650 --> 00:06:53,810 Speaker 1: importance of learning through experimentation, using trial and error to 87 00:06:53,850 --> 00:06:58,410 Speaker 1: solve complex problems and produce great creative works. I argued 88 00:06:58,450 --> 00:07:01,610 Speaker 1: that each failure was a step on the road to success. 89 00:07:02,490 --> 00:07:05,450 Speaker 1: But ever since that book was published, I've had this 90 00:07:05,570 --> 00:07:09,570 Speaker 1: nagging sense of guilt because while there's no shortage of 91 00:07:09,570 --> 00:07:12,570 Speaker 1: people who'll sing the praises of learning from your mistakes, 92 00:07:13,050 --> 00:07:17,250 Speaker 1: the truth is failure hurts. It isn't as easy to 93 00:07:17,370 --> 00:07:21,770 Speaker 1: learn from failure as you might think. Twila Thorpe knows 94 00:07:21,810 --> 00:07:25,650 Speaker 1: that very well. If you read her book The Creative Habit, 95 00:07:26,010 --> 00:07:29,250 Speaker 1: and you should you quickly learn that Twila Thorpe is 96 00:07:29,290 --> 00:07:33,810 Speaker 1: as interested in failure as I am. I don't mean 97 00:07:33,890 --> 00:07:38,530 Speaker 1: to romanticize failure. Believe me, success is preferable to failure. 98 00:07:38,930 --> 00:07:42,130 Speaker 1: But while we all want success not failure, we don't 99 00:07:42,130 --> 00:07:45,210 Speaker 1: always get what we want. If we're doing something new, 100 00:07:45,330 --> 00:07:49,490 Speaker 1: doing something hard, then sometimes we will fail. And Twila 101 00:07:49,570 --> 00:07:53,050 Speaker 1: Thorpe knows it. Changing the work and how we work 102 00:07:53,250 --> 00:07:56,050 Speaker 1: is the unpleasant task of dealing with that which we 103 00:07:56,130 --> 00:07:59,290 Speaker 1: have been denying. It is probably the biggest test in 104 00:07:59,330 --> 00:08:02,570 Speaker 1: the creative process, demanding not only an admission that you've 105 00:08:02,570 --> 00:08:05,730 Speaker 1: made a mistake, but that you know how to fix it. 106 00:08:06,410 --> 00:08:11,690 Speaker 1: When we romanticize failure, it says that proverbial learning experience 107 00:08:12,330 --> 00:08:16,050 Speaker 1: a necessary step on the road to glory. But Tharp 108 00:08:16,330 --> 00:08:20,730 Speaker 1: just described two big obstacles on that road. The first 109 00:08:20,850 --> 00:08:24,370 Speaker 1: is denial. It's hard even to admit that there's a problem. 110 00:08:24,890 --> 00:08:27,690 Speaker 1: The second is that even once you have admitted there's 111 00:08:27,690 --> 00:08:30,370 Speaker 1: a problem, you still have to figure out the solution. 112 00:08:32,250 --> 00:08:36,370 Speaker 1: Let's talk about denial first. You may remember an earlier 113 00:08:36,410 --> 00:08:39,530 Speaker 1: episode of Cautionary Tales, one in which we heard a 114 00:08:39,650 --> 00:08:43,410 Speaker 1: UFO cult predict that at midnight a few days before 115 00:08:43,490 --> 00:08:47,770 Speaker 1: Christmas nineteen fifty four, aliens would descend to rescue the 116 00:08:47,810 --> 00:08:52,410 Speaker 1: faithful and destroy the world. When the aliens didn't come 117 00:08:52,490 --> 00:08:55,250 Speaker 1: and the world was not destroyed, the cult took it 118 00:08:55,290 --> 00:08:58,570 Speaker 1: as evidence that their faith had been rewarded with salvation 119 00:08:58,770 --> 00:09:02,850 Speaker 1: for all. They even started issuing press releases spreading the 120 00:09:02,890 --> 00:09:08,290 Speaker 1: good news. We humans have an extraordinary capacity to deny 121 00:09:08,330 --> 00:09:12,570 Speaker 1: the obvious. For Tharp, it would have been much better 122 00:09:12,610 --> 00:09:16,290 Speaker 1: if she'd faced up to the show's problems early, early 123 00:09:16,370 --> 00:09:19,690 Speaker 1: problems for the easiest to fix. The best failures are 124 00:09:19,690 --> 00:09:22,850 Speaker 1: the private ones you committed the confines of your room, 125 00:09:22,930 --> 00:09:27,810 Speaker 1: alone with no strangers watching. Private failures are great. I 126 00:09:27,930 --> 00:09:30,490 Speaker 1: encourage you to fail as much as you want in private. 127 00:09:30,970 --> 00:09:33,930 Speaker 1: Private failures are the first drafts that get tossed in 128 00:09:33,970 --> 00:09:37,130 Speaker 1: the waste basket, the sketches crumple up on the floor, 129 00:09:37,130 --> 00:09:41,210 Speaker 1: the manuscripts that stay in the drawer. Good advice. But 130 00:09:41,570 --> 00:09:45,650 Speaker 1: it was hard to imagine a less private failure than 131 00:09:45,690 --> 00:09:51,850 Speaker 1: the reviews of Moving Out the New Broadway musical. How 132 00:09:51,890 --> 00:09:57,530 Speaker 1: had that public failure happened? Tharp reflected with hindsight that 133 00:09:57,610 --> 00:10:01,450 Speaker 1: the fundraising for the show had been too easy. With Twiler, 134 00:10:01,570 --> 00:10:05,290 Speaker 1: Tharpe and Billy Joel at the wheel, investors scrambled to 135 00:10:05,370 --> 00:10:09,090 Speaker 1: fund the show. Things moved from concept to stripped down 136 00:10:09,330 --> 00:10:14,330 Speaker 1: version to fully funded Broadway bound production so quickly that 137 00:10:14,330 --> 00:10:17,890 Speaker 1: there was barely time to think. It went so smoothly. 138 00:10:18,250 --> 00:10:22,650 Speaker 1: I had to pinch myself too smoothly. She ruefully admitted 139 00:10:22,890 --> 00:10:26,010 Speaker 1: there were seeds of doubt already present about some aspects 140 00:10:26,050 --> 00:10:28,770 Speaker 1: of the show, and the logic of the schedule kept 141 00:10:28,850 --> 00:10:33,490 Speaker 1: us from looking at a few basic problems. In a word, denial, 142 00:10:35,770 --> 00:10:40,330 Speaker 1: It's understandable. Billy Joel had given Twiler his unconditional backing 143 00:10:40,410 --> 00:10:44,570 Speaker 1: and total freedom before stepping back. Investors had thrown money 144 00:10:44,570 --> 00:10:48,690 Speaker 1: at her. The show was hurtling towards Broadway. Didn't feel 145 00:10:48,730 --> 00:10:51,690 Speaker 1: like quite the moment to pay attention to those seeds 146 00:10:51,690 --> 00:10:54,530 Speaker 1: of doubt. It must have seemed better to ride the 147 00:10:54,530 --> 00:10:59,330 Speaker 1: wave and hope for the best. But every wave breaks eventually. 148 00:11:00,090 --> 00:11:04,370 Speaker 1: Tharp was losing her opportunity to do something. She was 149 00:11:04,410 --> 00:11:08,570 Speaker 1: ignoring her own advice. The more you fail in private, 150 00:11:08,650 --> 00:11:11,370 Speaker 1: the less will fail in public. If you forget this, 151 00:11:11,410 --> 00:11:13,970 Speaker 1: if you let down your guard or lower your standards 152 00:11:14,090 --> 00:11:18,210 Speaker 1: or compromised too quickly, or leaven something that should be rejected. 153 00:11:18,490 --> 00:11:20,850 Speaker 1: You'll have to deal with the other, more painful kind 154 00:11:20,890 --> 00:11:26,130 Speaker 1: of failure, the public kind. After the Chicago previews opened 155 00:11:26,450 --> 00:11:30,290 Speaker 1: and the blistering reviews came in, the painful kind of 156 00:11:30,330 --> 00:11:52,450 Speaker 1: failure had just happened. Now she'd have to deal with it. 157 00:11:52,450 --> 00:11:55,850 Speaker 1: It seemed that everyone in Chicago was talking about the 158 00:11:55,890 --> 00:12:00,610 Speaker 1: problems with moving out the New Broadway musical. Twiler described 159 00:12:00,730 --> 00:12:03,130 Speaker 1: hanging out in a restaurant across the street from the 160 00:12:03,170 --> 00:12:07,690 Speaker 1: Schubert Theater during intermission, hearing one patron complaining about the 161 00:12:07,690 --> 00:12:11,690 Speaker 1: show to her waiter. Don't worry, the waiter replied, The 162 00:12:11,850 --> 00:12:15,450 Speaker 1: second act is much better. The second act is better. 163 00:12:15,570 --> 00:12:18,810 Speaker 1: That's good. On the other hand, if even the waiters 164 00:12:18,850 --> 00:12:21,810 Speaker 1: know that your first act stinks, you have a problem. 165 00:12:22,370 --> 00:12:26,130 Speaker 1: And it wasn't just the waiters in Chicago, Twiler's troubles 166 00:12:26,570 --> 00:12:31,410 Speaker 1: were about to get much bigger. Traditionally, the New York 167 00:12:31,450 --> 00:12:35,210 Speaker 1: media don't comment on the regional previews. They wait until 168 00:12:35,210 --> 00:12:38,930 Speaker 1: the show arrives in Manhattan. What happens in Chicago stays 169 00:12:38,930 --> 00:12:43,490 Speaker 1: in Chicago. That's the tradition. But not this time. Perhaps 170 00:12:43,530 --> 00:12:46,850 Speaker 1: it was because Billy Joel was so famous. Perhaps it 171 00:12:46,930 --> 00:12:49,210 Speaker 1: was because he was a local boy from Long Island, 172 00:12:49,250 --> 00:12:53,650 Speaker 1: New York. Perhaps the show was simply too terrible to ignore. 173 00:12:54,250 --> 00:12:58,850 Speaker 1: Whatever the reason, Long Island's newspaper, Newsday, broke with long 174 00:12:59,010 --> 00:13:03,610 Speaker 1: standing custom, Newsday reprinted one of the Chicago reviews, where 175 00:13:03,650 --> 00:13:06,450 Speaker 1: it would be widely read in New York City. It 176 00:13:06,570 --> 00:13:09,090 Speaker 1: was an act that triggered a storm of debate among 177 00:13:09,290 --> 00:13:13,570 Speaker 1: theater producers and journalists. Not cool a show is in 178 00:13:13,650 --> 00:13:16,850 Speaker 1: such a vulnerable situation when it opens out of town. 179 00:13:17,610 --> 00:13:21,570 Speaker 1: But that debate didn't help Twila Thorpe. In fact, the 180 00:13:21,650 --> 00:13:25,410 Speaker 1: controversy just made for more column inches and more awareness 181 00:13:25,450 --> 00:13:29,330 Speaker 1: of her show's problems. The fact was that now everyone 182 00:13:29,410 --> 00:13:33,290 Speaker 1: with any interest in New York musical theater knew that 183 00:13:33,490 --> 00:13:38,010 Speaker 1: Twila Thorpe had unveiled a colossal turkey in Chicago and 184 00:13:38,090 --> 00:13:41,490 Speaker 1: it was about to flap its way down to Broadway. 185 00:13:41,610 --> 00:13:52,130 Speaker 1: This might just be deliciously bad. Twila Thorpe's oldest collaborator 186 00:13:52,330 --> 00:13:56,690 Speaker 1: was Jennifer Tipton, a lighting designer. Jennifer had flown in 187 00:13:56,730 --> 00:13:59,570 Speaker 1: from New York to watch the opening night in Chicago. 188 00:14:00,330 --> 00:14:02,970 Speaker 1: The next morning, the two old friends had met for 189 00:14:03,010 --> 00:14:06,330 Speaker 1: breakfast together to read the reviews. I can just imagine 190 00:14:06,330 --> 00:14:12,050 Speaker 1: the scene an ice hotel, Chris white tablecloth, coffee, orange juice, 191 00:14:12,170 --> 00:14:19,690 Speaker 1: Clisson and the newspapers embarrassingly naive, ill conceived magnificent failure. 192 00:14:20,410 --> 00:14:23,970 Speaker 1: And then Twiler had looked up at her old friend Jennifer, 193 00:14:24,850 --> 00:14:29,130 Speaker 1: and Jennifer had looked back at her. You know they're right. 194 00:14:30,090 --> 00:14:34,290 Speaker 1: And this was the pivotal moment. By her own admission, 195 00:14:34,810 --> 00:14:37,530 Speaker 1: Twyla Tharp had been in denial about the problems with 196 00:14:37,570 --> 00:14:41,290 Speaker 1: her show, now which she doubled down like a member 197 00:14:41,290 --> 00:14:44,770 Speaker 1: of the UFO cult, insisting that she knew best and 198 00:14:44,850 --> 00:14:48,130 Speaker 1: that the more sophisticated critics in New York would perceive 199 00:14:48,250 --> 00:14:53,850 Speaker 1: the show's brilliance or would she moved from denial to acceptance. 200 00:14:55,410 --> 00:14:58,930 Speaker 1: You know they're right, Jennifer had said, and Twyla Tharp 201 00:14:59,010 --> 00:15:03,530 Speaker 1: had nodded, Yes, I know. With the help of an 202 00:15:03,610 --> 00:15:08,250 Speaker 1: honest friend, Tharp had finally accepted that she had a problem. 203 00:15:08,490 --> 00:15:13,650 Speaker 1: The show urgently needed to change, but time was running out. 204 00:15:19,770 --> 00:15:23,930 Speaker 1: Twila Tharp has thought a lot about failure, but thinking 205 00:15:24,170 --> 00:15:27,930 Speaker 1: and doing and never quite the same thing. And as 206 00:15:27,930 --> 00:15:31,450 Speaker 1: I've pondered the challenge facing Tharp, I find myself thinking 207 00:15:31,450 --> 00:15:35,290 Speaker 1: about another bold innovator who's truly mastered the art of 208 00:15:35,370 --> 00:15:40,370 Speaker 1: good mistakes. His name was Paul McCready, and while Twila 209 00:15:40,450 --> 00:15:43,450 Speaker 1: Tharpe's goal was to produce a hit that would finally 210 00:15:43,490 --> 00:15:47,730 Speaker 1: make dancing pay for the dancers, Paul McCready's goal was 211 00:15:47,770 --> 00:15:51,210 Speaker 1: to win the Kramer Prize. The Cramer Prize was a 212 00:15:51,290 --> 00:15:55,810 Speaker 1: large cash award for the first human powered aircraft capable 213 00:15:55,850 --> 00:15:58,970 Speaker 1: of taking off without aid and flying a one mile 214 00:15:59,170 --> 00:16:01,530 Speaker 1: figure eight course with a ten foot hurdle at the 215 00:16:01,570 --> 00:16:05,650 Speaker 1: start and finish. Doesn't sound so hard, but it is. 216 00:16:07,810 --> 00:16:10,290 Speaker 1: The Power for such a player could come from, say 217 00:16:10,410 --> 00:16:15,010 Speaker 1: a professional cyclist whirring legs spinning a propeller. But even 218 00:16:15,050 --> 00:16:18,530 Speaker 1: a cycling bro can only produce just over half a 219 00:16:18,610 --> 00:16:22,610 Speaker 1: horsepower for a sustained burst. That's not a lot if 220 00:16:22,610 --> 00:16:25,490 Speaker 1: you want to fly a plane. The Wright Brothers put 221 00:16:25,570 --> 00:16:29,410 Speaker 1: twenty times that power into their plane. A modern light 222 00:16:29,450 --> 00:16:33,090 Speaker 1: aircraft is at least three hundred times more powerful than 223 00:16:33,130 --> 00:16:37,250 Speaker 1: a cyclist. That may be why the Cramer Prize, first 224 00:16:37,290 --> 00:16:40,610 Speaker 1: offered in nineteen fifty nine by the Royal Aeronautical Society 225 00:16:40,610 --> 00:16:46,370 Speaker 1: in London, lay unclaimed In nineteen seventy three, the Society 226 00:16:46,490 --> 00:16:51,090 Speaker 1: increased the prize to attempting fifty thousand pounds in today's 227 00:16:51,130 --> 00:16:55,010 Speaker 1: money more than half a million dollars. That sparked a 228 00:16:55,130 --> 00:16:59,770 Speaker 1: new surgeon interest, but still nobody came close to building 229 00:16:59,770 --> 00:17:04,050 Speaker 1: a working plane. The early attempts were just too heavy 230 00:17:04,490 --> 00:17:08,050 Speaker 1: for the furiously cycling pilot. Even a minute of flight 231 00:17:08,250 --> 00:17:11,410 Speaker 1: was exhausting. But the competitors for the prize were also 232 00:17:11,490 --> 00:17:15,370 Speaker 1: doomed in a much more subtle way, and will come 233 00:17:15,370 --> 00:17:18,610 Speaker 1: to that subtle floor in a moment. Fix it and 234 00:17:18,730 --> 00:17:23,650 Speaker 1: you could win the Cramer Prize. It was in nineteen 235 00:17:23,730 --> 00:17:27,570 Speaker 1: seventy six that Paul McCready took an interest. Mccreedy was 236 00:17:27,610 --> 00:17:30,930 Speaker 1: an aeronautical engineer and a glider pilot. He was also 237 00:17:31,050 --> 00:17:34,570 Speaker 1: in financial trouble, having guaranteed a loan for a friend's 238 00:17:34,610 --> 00:17:39,850 Speaker 1: failed business venture. Suddenly the Cramer prize seemed rather attractive. 239 00:17:41,250 --> 00:17:44,610 Speaker 1: Mccredy's knowledge of hand gliders suggested that a super light 240 00:17:44,690 --> 00:17:48,250 Speaker 1: plane might work. If you tripled a hand glider wingspan 241 00:17:48,330 --> 00:17:51,570 Speaker 1: to almost a hundred feet, you could get the power 242 00:17:51,610 --> 00:17:57,810 Speaker 1: required down below half a horse power. Months of experimentation ensued, 243 00:17:58,370 --> 00:18:01,930 Speaker 1: first with Paul's teenage son Tyler, as a pilot and 244 00:18:02,090 --> 00:18:06,450 Speaker 1: later with pro cyclists. But to get it right, there 245 00:18:06,530 --> 00:18:09,730 Speaker 1: was so much to learn, so many miss stakes to make. 246 00:18:10,290 --> 00:18:13,570 Speaker 1: And here is where that subtle floor that I mentioned 247 00:18:13,690 --> 00:18:18,370 Speaker 1: comes in, the one that kept dooming McCready's rivals. Every 248 00:18:18,410 --> 00:18:23,450 Speaker 1: time they crashed, their planes were destroying. The pilots were fine. 249 00:18:23,650 --> 00:18:26,010 Speaker 1: These were crashes from a height of ten feet at 250 00:18:26,010 --> 00:18:29,010 Speaker 1: a speed of ten miles an hour, but the planes 251 00:18:29,610 --> 00:18:36,370 Speaker 1: were wrecks. The crashes of McCready's planes seemed just as spectacular, 252 00:18:36,730 --> 00:18:41,010 Speaker 1: with aluminum poles shearing off the struts, splintering, a tough 253 00:18:41,090 --> 00:18:46,650 Speaker 1: transparent film that makes the wing surfaces crumpling. Start peddling, 254 00:18:47,170 --> 00:18:55,690 Speaker 1: start peddling. Pull out the pilot. Greg Miller is being 255 00:18:55,730 --> 00:18:58,330 Speaker 1: pulled out of the wreckage of the slow motion crash. 256 00:18:58,850 --> 00:19:02,530 Speaker 1: That wasn't your fault. You did everything right. He's fine, 257 00:19:02,810 --> 00:19:05,890 Speaker 1: just shaken and frustrated, as though had fallen off his bike. 258 00:19:06,410 --> 00:19:09,730 Speaker 1: Mccreedy is calm. He's already explaining to Miller and the 259 00:19:09,810 --> 00:19:13,130 Speaker 1: team what happened. The right wing was going down a bit. 260 00:19:13,570 --> 00:19:16,570 Speaker 1: There wasn't enough left control. It just wouldn't goal left. 261 00:19:16,570 --> 00:19:19,090 Speaker 1: I had it pulled left. Yeah, I know you had 262 00:19:19,090 --> 00:19:24,290 Speaker 1: it pulled left. The plane looks shattered emotionally speaking, so 263 00:19:24,410 --> 00:19:28,850 Speaker 1: does poor Greg Miller. What a day. McCready, though, is 264 00:19:28,890 --> 00:19:32,330 Speaker 1: as cool as a cucumber. He knows that he and 265 00:19:32,370 --> 00:19:35,370 Speaker 1: his little team can fix the plane in just twenty 266 00:19:35,410 --> 00:19:41,250 Speaker 1: four hours. The plane is called the Gossamer Condor. It's 267 00:19:41,330 --> 00:19:44,850 Speaker 1: simple design makes the Condor easy to repair and easy 268 00:19:44,890 --> 00:19:48,970 Speaker 1: to take apart and reassemble. This particular crash, for example, 269 00:19:49,210 --> 00:19:52,130 Speaker 1: teaches McCready how to solve a problem that's been bothering 270 00:19:52,210 --> 00:19:56,570 Speaker 1: him how to get such a vast, lightweight, slow moving 271 00:19:56,610 --> 00:20:01,050 Speaker 1: plane to turn. The crash happened when the plane turns 272 00:20:01,130 --> 00:20:04,330 Speaker 1: sharply to the right that was caused by a small 273 00:20:04,410 --> 00:20:07,570 Speaker 1: twist in the right wing tip. All McCready has to 274 00:20:07,610 --> 00:20:10,810 Speaker 1: do is figure out how to twist or untwist the 275 00:20:10,850 --> 00:20:16,930 Speaker 1: tips on command. After previous crashes, he's made tiny alterations, 276 00:20:16,930 --> 00:20:19,530 Speaker 1: such as taping a Manila folder to the propeller to 277 00:20:19,610 --> 00:20:22,850 Speaker 1: increase its size or cutting an air vent to keep 278 00:20:22,890 --> 00:20:26,250 Speaker 1: the pilot cool. But he's also rebuilt the plane from 279 00:20:26,330 --> 00:20:30,650 Speaker 1: scratch to a new design. Even when nothing works, McCready's 280 00:20:30,770 --> 00:20:34,010 Speaker 1: learning flightwise, we didn't do any better than we did 281 00:20:34,050 --> 00:20:36,730 Speaker 1: two weeks ago. The fact that we made changes in 282 00:20:36,770 --> 00:20:40,730 Speaker 1: between times has let us see that those changes didn't help. 283 00:20:41,650 --> 00:20:45,250 Speaker 1: By August nineteen seventy seven, they're ready for another attempt 284 00:20:45,330 --> 00:20:48,330 Speaker 1: on the record, and the Gossamer Condor has been evolving 285 00:20:48,330 --> 00:20:52,090 Speaker 1: at furious speed for a year. It's already flown about 286 00:20:52,170 --> 00:20:56,770 Speaker 1: four hundred test flights. The wingtip twist system is working. 287 00:20:57,450 --> 00:21:01,410 Speaker 1: Glider pilot and pro cyclist Brian Allen is both pilot 288 00:21:01,730 --> 00:21:08,690 Speaker 1: and engine for this attempt. Plane lifts gracefully, turns more 289 00:21:08,730 --> 00:21:14,690 Speaker 1: stead and then a gust of wind tears a wire 290 00:21:14,770 --> 00:21:21,410 Speaker 1: free a plane goes down half. Brian Allen lies motionless 291 00:21:21,450 --> 00:21:26,330 Speaker 1: on the runway, but after a moment he starts moving again. 292 00:21:26,850 --> 00:21:31,650 Speaker 1: He's fine, just winded and McCready. McCready is under pressure. 293 00:21:32,370 --> 00:21:35,970 Speaker 1: He's heard that another team over in Japan is close 294 00:21:36,050 --> 00:21:40,730 Speaker 1: to winning the prize. Nevertheless, he decides to take advantage 295 00:21:40,730 --> 00:21:44,450 Speaker 1: of the crash to rebuild the plane again from scratch, 296 00:21:44,970 --> 00:21:49,570 Speaker 1: shaving off a little extra weight wherever he can. It 297 00:21:49,690 --> 00:21:53,610 Speaker 1: takes just two weeks, and on August the twenty third, 298 00:21:53,810 --> 00:21:58,770 Speaker 1: nineteen seventy seven, Brian Allen climbs into the latest incarnation 299 00:21:58,810 --> 00:22:03,170 Speaker 1: of the gossamer Condor pedals furiously down the airstrip, and 300 00:22:03,290 --> 00:22:08,370 Speaker 1: after two long sweeping turns, six minutes and more than 301 00:22:08,410 --> 00:22:12,170 Speaker 1: a mile flight, he clears the final hurdle on the 302 00:22:12,210 --> 00:22:17,570 Speaker 1: course and gently touches down. The Cramer Prize is won 303 00:22:18,330 --> 00:22:21,970 Speaker 1: not just by a brilliant team of inventive minds, but 304 00:22:22,130 --> 00:22:26,930 Speaker 1: by the ability to test, to crash, to learn, and 305 00:22:27,050 --> 00:22:31,570 Speaker 1: to adapt quickly and safely. Over a period of just 306 00:22:31,650 --> 00:22:35,530 Speaker 1: a few months, McCready was able to pick his pilot 307 00:22:35,650 --> 00:22:39,810 Speaker 1: and his plane off the runway and completely rebuild after 308 00:22:39,850 --> 00:22:45,290 Speaker 1: a demoralizing crash in a matter of days. Could Twila 309 00:22:45,410 --> 00:22:51,050 Speaker 1: Tharp do the same for moving out? Stay with Us? 310 00:23:04,570 --> 00:23:09,050 Speaker 1: Twila Tharp remember talked about the two difficulties of change. 311 00:23:09,330 --> 00:23:12,810 Speaker 1: It is probably the biggest test in the creative process, 312 00:23:12,850 --> 00:23:15,930 Speaker 1: demanding not only an admission that you've made a mistake, 313 00:23:16,090 --> 00:23:19,130 Speaker 1: but that you know how to fix it well. Should 314 00:23:19,130 --> 00:23:21,970 Speaker 1: pass the first test Over coffee and croisson with her 315 00:23:21,970 --> 00:23:26,370 Speaker 1: friend Jennifer Tipton, she had admitted the problem, but the 316 00:23:26,450 --> 00:23:29,730 Speaker 1: second test was even harder. How could she fix the 317 00:23:29,810 --> 00:23:33,810 Speaker 1: show so late in the day. Paul McCready's big insight 318 00:23:34,090 --> 00:23:36,210 Speaker 1: was that you could learn a lot if failures were 319 00:23:36,250 --> 00:23:40,730 Speaker 1: survivable and repairs were quick and cheap to make, and 320 00:23:40,850 --> 00:23:44,090 Speaker 1: the out of town previews gave Twilight Thape an opening 321 00:23:44,290 --> 00:23:47,730 Speaker 1: an opportunity to fix moving out before the New York 322 00:23:47,770 --> 00:23:53,810 Speaker 1: reviewers tore the show to shreds, She'd hesitated until almost 323 00:23:53,970 --> 00:23:56,970 Speaker 1: too late. It hadn't helped when one of the damning 324 00:23:57,130 --> 00:24:00,650 Speaker 1: Chicago reviews had been republished in New York. That ran 325 00:24:00,690 --> 00:24:03,370 Speaker 1: against the spirit of allowing the out of town show 326 00:24:03,410 --> 00:24:06,890 Speaker 1: to serve as a kind of prototype. Even without that problem, 327 00:24:07,130 --> 00:24:10,250 Speaker 1: the show needed much more than the trade tweaks before 328 00:24:10,290 --> 00:24:15,650 Speaker 1: hitting Broadway. The low cost opportunities to radically reshape the show, 329 00:24:16,090 --> 00:24:18,930 Speaker 1: or the time for that had been in workshops and rehearsals. 330 00:24:18,930 --> 00:24:22,690 Speaker 1: They were long passed. It was perilous to change the 331 00:24:22,730 --> 00:24:26,170 Speaker 1: show while the previews in Chicago were still running, but 332 00:24:26,370 --> 00:24:29,930 Speaker 1: Tharpe couldn't wait until the show moved to Broadway. There 333 00:24:29,930 --> 00:24:33,770 Speaker 1: were only three New York rehearsal days before the previews opened, 334 00:24:34,370 --> 00:24:36,930 Speaker 1: and Thorpe still didn't quite seem to know what she 335 00:24:37,010 --> 00:24:40,370 Speaker 1: wanted the show to be. In a publicity interview on TV, 336 00:24:40,810 --> 00:24:44,010 Speaker 1: she was challenged to explain, was it a pop ballet, 337 00:24:44,130 --> 00:24:48,050 Speaker 1: a musical, a dance cicle. I don't think of it 338 00:24:48,050 --> 00:24:50,370 Speaker 1: as any of those things. I think of it as 339 00:24:50,410 --> 00:24:54,330 Speaker 1: a thing, Okay. I mean one of the challenges with 340 00:24:54,450 --> 00:24:58,130 Speaker 1: this was to formulate the genre. It's not dance, it's 341 00:24:58,170 --> 00:25:01,210 Speaker 1: not up bra it's not straight drama. It's not poetry, 342 00:25:01,330 --> 00:25:04,650 Speaker 1: it's not recital, it's not of vaudeville, it's not a review. 343 00:25:06,890 --> 00:25:10,210 Speaker 1: You can see why the audience was confused. Even Twila 344 00:25:10,330 --> 00:25:13,410 Speaker 1: Tharpe was tying herself up in knots. But there was 345 00:25:13,450 --> 00:25:17,370 Speaker 1: a way forward. Just as Paul McCready had turned every 346 00:25:17,490 --> 00:25:21,690 Speaker 1: crash into a source of information, Twila Tharpe found her 347 00:25:21,730 --> 00:25:26,810 Speaker 1: own strategy for turning failure into success. There was, after all, 348 00:25:27,130 --> 00:25:31,130 Speaker 1: a convenient way to spot every floor with the show. 349 00:25:31,530 --> 00:25:34,730 Speaker 1: Bless their cold, black little hearts, The critics turned out 350 00:25:34,730 --> 00:25:39,930 Speaker 1: to be enormously useful. Of course, those reviews expressed vividly 351 00:25:39,970 --> 00:25:43,690 Speaker 1: and concisely everything that was wrong with Moving Out. The 352 00:25:43,770 --> 00:25:47,570 Speaker 1: only problem was I couldn't stomach reading the reviews too closely, 353 00:25:47,850 --> 00:25:50,970 Speaker 1: but that wasn't hard to solve. Jesse Hewitt, who was 354 00:25:51,050 --> 00:25:54,690 Speaker 1: both Twilitharpe's son and her business manager, took it upon 355 00:25:54,770 --> 00:25:58,930 Speaker 1: himself to closely read all the reviews, strip out the barbs, 356 00:25:59,170 --> 00:26:03,050 Speaker 1: and summarize the substance. What he did was to scientifically 357 00:26:03,090 --> 00:26:06,970 Speaker 1: apply every single review and make a grid. When we 358 00:26:07,050 --> 00:26:10,530 Speaker 1: saw more than two or three critics saying the same thing, 359 00:26:10,610 --> 00:26:13,930 Speaker 1: we said, let's look at this. The dancing and the 360 00:26:14,010 --> 00:26:17,090 Speaker 1: music had both been spectacular, said the critics, but the 361 00:26:17,130 --> 00:26:22,170 Speaker 1: show's first half had been visually confusing, emotionally shallow, and overcomplicated. 362 00:26:22,610 --> 00:26:25,610 Speaker 1: The second half had been simpler and much better for it. 363 00:26:26,130 --> 00:26:29,050 Speaker 1: As one friend a director had told her, you're doing 364 00:26:29,090 --> 00:26:33,930 Speaker 1: too much, trying too hard. Make each scene about one thing, 365 00:26:34,050 --> 00:26:38,930 Speaker 1: that three things. So she began to simplify as quickly 366 00:26:39,090 --> 00:26:43,530 Speaker 1: and as efficiently as she could. The audience were confused. Fine, 367 00:26:43,850 --> 00:26:46,530 Speaker 1: move the band out of the spotlight and find a 368 00:26:46,570 --> 00:26:50,250 Speaker 1: way to focus on the five principal dancers. These are 369 00:26:50,290 --> 00:26:52,730 Speaker 1: the folks you have to watch. The only thing you 370 00:26:52,770 --> 00:26:54,970 Speaker 1: have to do is bring these five people forward so 371 00:26:55,090 --> 00:26:58,570 Speaker 1: that by Italian restaurant you know who they are. Tharpe's 372 00:26:58,650 --> 00:27:02,810 Speaker 1: production designer realized that Tharp had once choreographed a dance 373 00:27:02,850 --> 00:27:06,930 Speaker 1: to a Chuck Berry song. Billy Joels deliberately retro hit 374 00:27:07,210 --> 00:27:09,650 Speaker 1: It's still rock and roll to me had the same 375 00:27:09,810 --> 00:27:14,450 Speaker 1: thumping four four beaters Chuck Berry perfect. Tharpe taught the 376 00:27:14,530 --> 00:27:18,450 Speaker 1: old dance to her five leading dancers in three hours, 377 00:27:18,890 --> 00:27:22,050 Speaker 1: and the show had a simple, crowd pleasing prolog that 378 00:27:22,250 --> 00:27:26,890 Speaker 1: told the audience who to pay attention to. It wasn't 379 00:27:26,930 --> 00:27:30,970 Speaker 1: the highest of concepts, but it was a fast, practical fix, 380 00:27:31,410 --> 00:27:34,770 Speaker 1: like Paul McCready taping a Manila folder onto a propeller, 381 00:27:35,170 --> 00:27:39,090 Speaker 1: and so she continued to look for the quickest, simplest improvements. 382 00:27:39,570 --> 00:27:42,290 Speaker 1: It didn't have to be high art, it just had 383 00:27:42,330 --> 00:27:46,450 Speaker 1: to be better. And just as Paul McCready occasionally had 384 00:27:46,490 --> 00:27:49,370 Speaker 1: to pick his pilots up off the runway and reassure 385 00:27:49,410 --> 00:27:52,770 Speaker 1: them that the disaster wasn't their fault, Twilight Tharpe had 386 00:27:52,810 --> 00:27:57,490 Speaker 1: to cope with the bruised, confused, and exhausted cast. The 387 00:27:57,610 --> 00:28:00,290 Speaker 1: band howled when she moved them out of the spotlight. 388 00:28:00,650 --> 00:28:03,930 Speaker 1: She cut prized solos for the dancers in an attempt 389 00:28:03,970 --> 00:28:08,330 Speaker 1: to simplify. That didn't go down well, and learning the 390 00:28:08,370 --> 00:28:11,090 Speaker 1: new version of the show while performing the old one 391 00:28:11,130 --> 00:28:15,850 Speaker 1: to perplexed audiences in Chicago was a grim experience. The 392 00:28:15,970 --> 00:28:20,610 Speaker 1: leading dancer Elizabeth Parkinson froze on stage one night. She 393 00:28:20,730 --> 00:28:23,650 Speaker 1: just got lost. She couldn't remember which was the old 394 00:28:23,690 --> 00:28:27,650 Speaker 1: and which was the new. But they persisted, and in 395 00:28:27,650 --> 00:28:31,730 Speaker 1: October two thousand and two, as the big opening night approached, 396 00:28:32,210 --> 00:28:35,370 Speaker 1: Billy Joel swept back in to lend his support and 397 00:28:35,490 --> 00:28:38,370 Speaker 1: his enthusiasm. I don't know what you call it, said 398 00:28:38,370 --> 00:28:41,650 Speaker 1: Billy Joel, but it's audacious, and it's different, and it's adventurous, 399 00:28:41,650 --> 00:28:47,450 Speaker 1: and it's risky, and let's do it. Was it a dancecole? 400 00:28:47,490 --> 00:28:49,890 Speaker 1: By the way, Billy Joel, with his rock and roll 401 00:28:49,930 --> 00:28:53,930 Speaker 1: gift for simplicity, realized, just didn't matter. It didn't need 402 00:28:54,010 --> 00:28:56,930 Speaker 1: to try to explain it. Just call it Moving Out 403 00:28:57,450 --> 00:28:59,810 Speaker 1: and stick Billy Joel's name up in lights, and if 404 00:28:59,810 --> 00:29:03,210 Speaker 1: it was any good, nobody would care about anything else. 405 00:29:06,170 --> 00:29:09,970 Speaker 1: And so in October two thousand and two, the show 406 00:29:10,170 --> 00:29:14,530 Speaker 1: formerly known as Moving Out the New Broadway Musical opened 407 00:29:14,570 --> 00:29:20,370 Speaker 1: on Broadway. Now the Marquis simply said Moving Out a simpler, 408 00:29:20,490 --> 00:29:25,170 Speaker 1: more direct title for a simpler, more direct show. But 409 00:29:25,650 --> 00:29:29,370 Speaker 1: would the critics be convinced Miss Tharpe and her vivid 410 00:29:29,410 --> 00:29:34,410 Speaker 1: team of dancers on Earth? The reasons certain cliches keep resonating, 411 00:29:34,610 --> 00:29:38,490 Speaker 1: and more important, makes them gleam as if they had 412 00:29:38,570 --> 00:29:41,810 Speaker 1: just been minted. This review, by the way, is from 413 00:29:41,810 --> 00:29:45,330 Speaker 1: the New York Times itself. Let's hear a bit more? 414 00:29:45,650 --> 00:29:51,050 Speaker 1: A shimmering portrait of an American generation. Oh that's good. 415 00:29:51,690 --> 00:29:54,850 Speaker 1: As a dance critic, I am perfectly willing to call 416 00:29:55,010 --> 00:29:58,490 Speaker 1: Moving Out a show, and a terrific one at debt. 417 00:29:58,890 --> 00:30:03,130 Speaker 1: Moving Out gives Broadway the jolt of genuine energy it 418 00:30:03,490 --> 00:30:08,170 Speaker 1: needed this season. In a word, the shows are blast. 419 00:30:09,170 --> 00:30:12,490 Speaker 1: The most striking was an article published back in Chicago 420 00:30:12,650 --> 00:30:15,890 Speaker 1: by the critic Michael Phillips. He was the one whose 421 00:30:15,930 --> 00:30:20,170 Speaker 1: review of the Chicago Preview had controversially been republished in 422 00:30:20,210 --> 00:30:22,530 Speaker 1: New York, and he was flown down to give his 423 00:30:22,570 --> 00:30:26,410 Speaker 1: opinion on the Broadway version of the show. He saw it, 424 00:30:26,570 --> 00:30:29,730 Speaker 1: and especially the dancers, in a new light. I don't 425 00:30:29,730 --> 00:30:33,330 Speaker 1: think I fully appreciated how good the five Principles really 426 00:30:33,370 --> 00:30:37,450 Speaker 1: were and are. In Chicago, you couldn't always find them 427 00:30:37,490 --> 00:30:42,970 Speaker 1: amid Thorpe's visual esthetic. Now on Broadway, each of the 428 00:30:43,050 --> 00:30:47,770 Speaker 1: five pops out with a kind of glorious confidence. It 429 00:30:47,850 --> 00:30:51,810 Speaker 1: wasn't perfect, he said, but it was much much better 430 00:30:51,930 --> 00:30:54,770 Speaker 1: than he could have imagined. Any director can learn a 431 00:30:54,890 --> 00:30:58,970 Speaker 1: lesson from how thoroughly Thorpe revisited the show, and he 432 00:30:59,050 --> 00:31:04,210 Speaker 1: asked an important question, how did this happen? That's a 433 00:31:04,330 --> 00:31:08,170 Speaker 1: question we should ask more often. It's easy to focus 434 00:31:08,330 --> 00:31:13,930 Speaker 1: obsessive either on failure or on success, without considering how 435 00:31:13,970 --> 00:31:18,610 Speaker 1: one becomes the other. For Twila Tharpe, she simply avoided 436 00:31:18,690 --> 00:31:22,130 Speaker 1: two of the big obstacles. After denying there was a 437 00:31:22,130 --> 00:31:26,250 Speaker 1: problem during rehearsals, she finally acknowledged the need to make 438 00:31:26,330 --> 00:31:32,290 Speaker 1: big changes. Then she didn't flounder about unsure what to do. Instead, 439 00:31:32,770 --> 00:31:37,090 Speaker 1: like Paul McCready, she focused intensely on learning quick lessons, 440 00:31:37,530 --> 00:31:42,050 Speaker 1: and she made the simplest, most practical fixes. Moving Out 441 00:31:42,210 --> 00:31:46,330 Speaker 1: ran for years, toured repeatedly, and earned a Tony Award 442 00:31:46,370 --> 00:31:49,930 Speaker 1: for Billy Joel and Stuart Malina, the classical conductor who 443 00:31:49,930 --> 00:31:52,330 Speaker 1: had been pinching himself at the start of the project. 444 00:31:53,090 --> 00:31:57,090 Speaker 1: It also earned a Tony nomination for Twiler Tharpe's direction, 445 00:31:57,770 --> 00:32:01,890 Speaker 1: and she won a Tony for her choreography. But perhaps 446 00:32:01,890 --> 00:32:04,890 Speaker 1: the awards should have been given instead for the most 447 00:32:05,050 --> 00:32:10,610 Speaker 1: adaptable leader of any team on Broadway. Of course, there 448 00:32:10,730 --> 00:32:23,450 Speaker 1: is no such award, but maybe there should be. For 449 00:32:23,530 --> 00:32:25,890 Speaker 1: a full list of our sources, please see the show 450 00:32:25,930 --> 00:32:39,810 Speaker 1: notes at Tim Harford dot com. Portionary Tales is written 451 00:32:39,810 --> 00:32:43,650 Speaker 1: by me Tim Harford with Andrew Wright. It's produced by 452 00:32:43,810 --> 00:32:47,530 Speaker 1: Ryan Dilley with support from Courtney Guarino and Emily Vaughan. 453 00:32:48,050 --> 00:32:51,210 Speaker 1: The sound design and original music is the work of 454 00:32:51,290 --> 00:32:55,970 Speaker 1: Pascal Wise. Julia Barton edited the scripts. It features the 455 00:32:56,050 --> 00:33:01,290 Speaker 1: voice talents of Ben Crowe, Melanie Gutridge, Mastella Harford, Cobner, 456 00:33:01,330 --> 00:33:05,730 Speaker 1: Holbrook Smith, Greg Lockett, mass Siam Munroe, and Rufus Wright. 457 00:33:06,530 --> 00:33:09,370 Speaker 1: The show also wouldn't have been possible without the work 458 00:33:09,410 --> 00:33:15,210 Speaker 1: of Mere LaBelle, Jacob Weisberg, Heather Fane, John Schnaz, Carlie Migliori, 459 00:33:15,650 --> 00:33:21,370 Speaker 1: Eric Sandler, Royston Berserv, Maggie Taylor, Nicole Morano, Daniellow, Lakhan, 460 00:33:21,730 --> 00:33:26,610 Speaker 1: and Maya Kanig. 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