WEBVTT - From the Vault:  Don't Drink the Salt Water

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, welcome to Stuff to Blow your Mind. My name

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<v Speaker 1>is Robert Lamb and I'm Joe McCormick, and it's Saturday.

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<v Speaker 1>Time to go into the old Vault for a classic

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<v Speaker 1>episode of Stuff to Blow your Mind. And this one

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<v Speaker 1>is about drinking salt water. Why on earth did we

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<v Speaker 1>talk about that? But I do remember this one was

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<v Speaker 1>actually interesting. Yeah, this is from January eighteen. And they're

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<v Speaker 1>all interesting, Joe, well, of course, but yeah, this one

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<v Speaker 1>is great because it got into like some of these

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<v Speaker 1>ideas about to what extent could you drink seawater to survive?

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<v Speaker 1>How might you go about it? And then some of

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<v Speaker 1>these ideas about the supposed health benefits of drinking saltwater. Hey,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm up to about six scallons of seawater to day.

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<v Speaker 1>How about you? That means you're lost at sea? Probably, so,

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<v Speaker 1>without further ado, let's drink the salt water. All in

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<v Speaker 1>a hot and copper sky. The bloody sun at noon

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<v Speaker 1>right up above the mast did stand no bigger than

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<v Speaker 1>the moon. Day after day, day after day, we stuck

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<v Speaker 1>nor breath nor motion, as idle as a painted ship

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<v Speaker 1>upon a painted ocean. Water water everywhere, and all the

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<v Speaker 1>boards did shrink water water everywhere, nor any drop to drink,

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<v Speaker 1>A speck, a mist, a shape. I whisked, and still

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<v Speaker 1>it neared and neared, as if it dodged a water sprite.

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<v Speaker 1>It plunged, and tacked, and veered, with throats unslaked, with

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<v Speaker 1>black lips baked. We could not laugh nor wail through

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<v Speaker 1>uttered drought. All dumb we stood. I bit my arm,

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<v Speaker 1>I sucked the blood and cried A sail, A sail

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<v Speaker 1>with throats unslaked, with black lips baked agape. They heard

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<v Speaker 1>me call Gramercy. They for joy did grin, and all

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<v Speaker 1>at once their breath drew in as they were drinking. All.

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to stuff to blow your mind from How Stuff

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<v Speaker 1>Works dot com. Hey, you welcome to stuff to blow

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<v Speaker 1>your mind. My name is Robert lamp and I'm Joe

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<v Speaker 1>McCormick and ost Coleridge invading your ears. That's right from

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<v Speaker 1>his column The Rhyme of the Ancient Mariner. Uh. In

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<v Speaker 1>the first chunk there, we're we're getting the famous lines

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<v Speaker 1>about about being thirsty at sea, having no fresh water

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<v Speaker 1>to drink, the ironic situation of finding yourself stranded amidst

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<v Speaker 1>all this water, and yet none of it is sufficient

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<v Speaker 1>for for human consumption. And then in the second section,

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<v Speaker 1>the sailors are so thirsty that they turned to drinking

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<v Speaker 1>their own blood to to satisfy their thirst. Now, this

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<v Speaker 1>is a horror movie of the Romantic period. Yeah, it

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<v Speaker 1>has everything. It has ghosts, it has an albatross, and

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<v Speaker 1>as c madness. Why is this classified as Romantic literature?

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<v Speaker 1>I need to go back to my English literature education

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<v Speaker 1>and understand what I think. It's about the spontaneous outpouring

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<v Speaker 1>of overpowering feelings, right, I think so, But it's just

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<v Speaker 1>about people going crazy at see. Like, one of my

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<v Speaker 1>favorite lines is is as follows, I took the oars.

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<v Speaker 1>The pilot's boy, who now doth crazy go laughed loud

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<v Speaker 1>and long, and all the while his eyes went to

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<v Speaker 1>and fro ha ha quoth he full plane? I see

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<v Speaker 1>the devil knows how to row. That's great. It has

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<v Speaker 1>a great tell offline too. Uh so it starts I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know if you remember the framing of the rhyme

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<v Speaker 1>of the ancient Mariner. Most of the poem is this

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<v Speaker 1>crazy old mariner telling the story about how you know,

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<v Speaker 1>he killed an albatross and brought a curse upon his ship,

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<v Speaker 1>and they saw death and all this. But the framing

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<v Speaker 1>narrative is that there's this dude on his way to

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<v Speaker 1>a wedding, and the crazy old sailor just grabs him

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<v Speaker 1>and starts telling his story. And as the poem goes on,

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<v Speaker 1>the narrator gets totally horrified and engrossed in the old

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<v Speaker 1>man's tail. But at first the narrator just yells, unhand me,

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<v Speaker 1>gray beard, loon. That's good. I often think of that

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<v Speaker 1>when somebody is like bidding for my attention at work

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<v Speaker 1>and I don't have time to pay attention to them. Now.

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<v Speaker 1>One thing that's great about the Rhyme of the Ancient Mariner,

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<v Speaker 1>in addition to how fantastic of a poem it it is,

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<v Speaker 1>is it's got really great old school illustrations, like this

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<v Speaker 1>Gustave Dore ating, we've got here of it where everybody's

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<v Speaker 1>huddled in fear as they're watching the albatross perching on

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<v Speaker 1>the deck. Oh yeah, his his artwork always goes great

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<v Speaker 1>with a kind of dark story, right, I mean, his

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<v Speaker 1>his his illustrations of the divine comedy, various biblical stories

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<v Speaker 1>that he illustrated. There's a there's a darkness to those woodcuts. Yeah. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>the line that often gets quoted from the rhyme and

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<v Speaker 1>the ancient mariner water water everywhere, I think slightly misquoted

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<v Speaker 1>as and not a drop to drink. Uh, of course,

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<v Speaker 1>signals the fact that you often as a sailor, be

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<v Speaker 1>st out in the ocean, and you might be very,

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<v Speaker 1>very thirsty, and you're surrounded by water, but the water

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<v Speaker 1>is not going to help you with your thirst. That's right.

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<v Speaker 1>This is this is one of the most important survival

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<v Speaker 1>facts out there, is that if you were stranded at sea,

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<v Speaker 1>upon a desert island, upon a deserted ship, you name it, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>do not drink the salt water. Every survival handbook out

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<v Speaker 1>there will tell you the same, no matter how how

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<v Speaker 1>tantalizing it may seem, no matter how how logical the

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<v Speaker 1>solution might appear, You should not drink the salt water

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<v Speaker 1>because you're gonna You're gonna lose that race, because it

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<v Speaker 1>is going to catch up with you. Yes, you, you

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<v Speaker 1>are going to lose the chemical race against the solvent,

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<v Speaker 1>wait the salute the salt anyway against this solution of

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<v Speaker 1>in a C L in H two O. And I

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<v Speaker 1>also wanted to think about how I think it's fascinating

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<v Speaker 1>to make just a chemical compound such a grim apocalyptic

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<v Speaker 1>figure in a poem them like as a grim apocalyptic

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<v Speaker 1>tale about death by seawater. I think the rhyme of

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<v Speaker 1>the ancient mariner is pretty much the best. But I

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<v Speaker 1>often think about what sorts of chemistry is could figure

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<v Speaker 1>into modern apocalyptic sci fi, and I think salt would

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<v Speaker 1>be a really great one. So, Robert, do you want

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<v Speaker 1>to hear my pitch for the sci fi version of

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<v Speaker 1>the saltwater Apocalypse? Sure, though, I you're gonna you have

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<v Speaker 1>quite a challenge here and capturing the same cadence you know. Well, no,

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<v Speaker 1>it's I can't do the romantic poetry, but I'll try

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<v Speaker 1>to do the scenario. So the fact is, the Earth's

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<v Speaker 1>oceans were not always as salty as they are now

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<v Speaker 1>because salt is not intrinsic to the ocean water. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know. Sometimes you think about, well, most of the

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<v Speaker 1>water on the Earth is in the oceans. The salt

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<v Speaker 1>water therefore vastly out numbers the the amount of fresh

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<v Speaker 1>water out there. I don't know out numbers is the

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<v Speaker 1>right word, because it's not enumerated, but there's way more

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<v Speaker 1>salt water than there is fresh water. The vast majority

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<v Speaker 1>of water is saltwater. Therefore, it would seem rational to

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<v Speaker 1>to guess that this is the natural state of water. No,

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<v Speaker 1>it's not. Fresh water is the natural state of water.

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<v Speaker 1>The ocean's got salty, and they got salty from billions

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<v Speaker 1>of years of rinsing the rocks. See Earth's crust is

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<v Speaker 1>about two point eight percent sodium, the most common compound

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<v Speaker 1>in rock salt being in a cl or sodium chloride.

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<v Speaker 1>This is the same as common table salt. It's what

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<v Speaker 1>you put on your food, and as slightly acidic rainwater

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<v Speaker 1>and freshwater runoff rinses and dissolves the rocks of planet Earth.

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<v Speaker 1>Over long periods of time. It dissolves little bits of

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<v Speaker 1>that sodium chloride and carries all of that sodium downstream

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<v Speaker 1>and eventually into the ocean. And then this salt accumulates

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<v Speaker 1>in the oceans. Because the sun heats the ocean water

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<v Speaker 1>causes it to evaporate, It forms clouds, and those clouds

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<v Speaker 1>eventually rain the water back down on the land, but

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<v Speaker 1>the salt pretty much stays where it is now. Fortunately,

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<v Speaker 1>there are natural processes known as salt sinks and these

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<v Speaker 1>helped remove salt from the ocean and deposit it back

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<v Speaker 1>on land or in the crust. And for this reason,

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<v Speaker 1>the salt content of the ocean seems fairly stable for now.

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<v Speaker 1>But what if in the future the oceans became more

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<v Speaker 1>like the fatally salty dead sea where if you've ever

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<v Speaker 1>seen what people look like when they swim in the

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<v Speaker 1>dead sea, they bob like a bob blur, like you

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<v Speaker 1>just totally float on the surface because of the high

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<v Speaker 1>salinity of the water. But also what you'll notice is

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<v Speaker 1>you don't see any fish or any seaweed or anything.

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<v Speaker 1>No macroscopic organisms can live in water that's salty, So

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<v Speaker 1>we could have a salt apocalypse. They caught the Dead

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<v Speaker 1>Sea for a reason. Yeah, what if the whole sea

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<v Speaker 1>was the dead Sea? I like it. I like it.

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<v Speaker 1>You can eat that. It could even be the title

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<v Speaker 1>dead Sea and then colon and then whatever sci Fi

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<v Speaker 1>year you want to go with. It's like dead Sea

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<v Speaker 1>the saltan ng Yeah, alright, I like that. I like that.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess we should talk a little bit about just

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<v Speaker 1>how much salt is in the ocean currently, Uh, just

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<v Speaker 1>the what are the current sea salt levels to the

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<v Speaker 1>ocean about a hundred pounds, right, well, a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>more than that. Uh So, seawater is saltwater to the

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<v Speaker 1>tune of three point five percent average salinity. So that's

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<v Speaker 1>thirty five parts per thousand. And they're The crazy part

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<v Speaker 1>here is that there's so much salt in Earth's oceans

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<v Speaker 1>that supposedly, if you were to remove it all and

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<v Speaker 1>spread it evenly across the surface, you'd have a forty

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<v Speaker 1>story layer of salt. Now, it should be fairly obvious

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<v Speaker 1>that drinking saltwater is not a good idea when you're thirsty.

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<v Speaker 1>But there's a reason we keep returning to this idea

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<v Speaker 1>in our fiction, right because in much of human history,

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<v Speaker 1>there are lots of scenarios where you could get stuck

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<v Speaker 1>out on the ocean without fresh water. I mean, we

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<v Speaker 1>love those type of stories, right, I mean, the there're

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<v Speaker 1>stories of of of man versus nature, a human being

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<v Speaker 1>trying to survive. And again, like i occlude too earlier,

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<v Speaker 1>there is something deeply ironic about being surrounded by water

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<v Speaker 1>and not being able to drink any of it. What's

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<v Speaker 1>that Simpsons episode where Homer starts drinking the salt water?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, that's a boy Scouts in the hood, where

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<v Speaker 1>he misquotes the poem and says water water everywhere, so

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<v Speaker 1>let's all have a drink, and starts drinking palm full

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<v Speaker 1>and palm after palm full of salt water until they

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<v Speaker 1>just pull him away from the edge of the life

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<v Speaker 1>raft um. You know. It shows up other places as well,

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<v Speaker 1>in in the Song of Ice and Fire saga George rr.

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<v Speaker 1>Martin's Iron Islanders, the sort of love crafty and vikings

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<v Speaker 1>of the series, the ones that everybody's always saying, give

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<v Speaker 1>us more chapters with them, that's who I want to

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<v Speaker 1>spend my time with. Well, yeah, I ended up feeling

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<v Speaker 1>that way. I ended up feeling that way where real

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<v Speaker 1>TV series, I was like, Hey, there's all sorts of

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<v Speaker 1>stuff you could be doing with the Iron Islanders. They're

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<v Speaker 1>kind of cool. Oh sorry, I said that. Ironically, I

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<v Speaker 1>feel like most people are just kind of like paging

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<v Speaker 1>through the Iron Islands chapters, like, come on, give me

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<v Speaker 1>back to the other character. I feel like maybe I

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<v Speaker 1>did at one point, but at the reached a point

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<v Speaker 1>in the Iron Islanders narrative where I got really invested

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<v Speaker 1>in it. Well, they do have a really cool religion

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<v Speaker 1>that has to do with an underwater god who has

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<v Speaker 1>a major salt component. Yeah, yeah, and the whole drowned

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<v Speaker 1>god that that pops up in their religion. Uh, they

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<v Speaker 1>have these priests, they have these ritualized drownings. It's sometimes

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<v Speaker 1>a little vague like to what extent is just like

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<v Speaker 1>a violent Viking baptism in the sea, or if there's

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<v Speaker 1>some sort of supernatural element going on as well. But

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<v Speaker 1>they drink seawater. They do drink seawater. I mean, you're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna drink it as the priest is attempting to drown you.

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<v Speaker 1>But then also it said that their priests drinks seawater

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<v Speaker 1>to quote, to strengthen their faith, but you should not

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<v Speaker 1>drink seawater to strengthen your body. So the thing is, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>humans need a lot of water, certainly, but we don't

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<v Speaker 1>need a lot of salt. We can consume small amounts

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<v Speaker 1>of salt, certainly, We do it all the time. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>we love salty foods. And also we need salt to

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<v Speaker 1>maintain our body chemistry. So it's it's not a situation

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<v Speaker 1>where it's just a completely alien component. It's part of

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<v Speaker 1>who we are. But we don't need that much. But

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<v Speaker 1>we absolutely do need some Like at any given time,

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<v Speaker 1>the average human body contains I read this today, about

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<v Speaker 1>two d and fifty grams of sodium. That's about eight

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<v Speaker 1>point eight ounces. Your standard cylinder container of Morton table salt.

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<v Speaker 1>You know that, you know the can as salt, the

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<v Speaker 1>big one. This is the one that larger than a

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<v Speaker 1>soda can. Well, it's the twenty six ounds can. Yeah, exactly. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>that container of Morton table salt twenty six ounces. So

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<v Speaker 1>if you've got eight point eight ounces in the average

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<v Speaker 1>human body, depending on your body size, more or less,

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<v Speaker 1>about one third of those containers is inside you right now.

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<v Speaker 1>That seems like a lot of salt, right, Like, if

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<v Speaker 1>you put that much salt on a meal, the meal

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<v Speaker 1>would be I dare say, to salty. I think most

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<v Speaker 1>people would agree with that. Yes. I want to tell

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<v Speaker 1>a story that a friend of mine once told me. So. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>my friend, she she's very smart outdoors person. She does

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of hiking, and she knows how to handle

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<v Speaker 1>herself in the wilderness. And she was out hiking one

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<v Speaker 1>time on a trail in Zion National Park and it

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<v Speaker 1>was out in the heat, and of course, you know

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<v Speaker 1>when you're hiking out in the heat and the desert

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<v Speaker 1>on the rocks, you know, you need to take plenty

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<v Speaker 1>of water with you and to keep drinking in order

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<v Speaker 1>to keep yourself hydrated. And under that desert sun, dehydration

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<v Speaker 1>and overheating can really sneak up on you. So the

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<v Speaker 1>smart thing to do is not wait until you're super

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<v Speaker 1>thirsty to drink some water, but keep sipping. Be very

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<v Speaker 1>conscientious about keeping yourself cool, keeping water coming in. And

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<v Speaker 1>this this friend of mine, as I said, she knows how,

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<v Speaker 1>she knows what to do in the outside. So she

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<v Speaker 1>was drinking plenty of water out on the rocks, but

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<v Speaker 1>she noticed that she started to feel terrible. She felt

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<v Speaker 1>nausea as she had a headache, weakness, and I think

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<v Speaker 1>she said she was kind of confused and foggy, and

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<v Speaker 1>normally in that situation you'd think, Okay, I'm out in

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<v Speaker 1>the desert, I'm probab getting dehydrated. I need to rest

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<v Speaker 1>and drink more water. But she kept drinking water and

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<v Speaker 1>the symptoms didn't get any better, so she didn't know

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<v Speaker 1>what was going on. They got concerned and she came

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<v Speaker 1>back down off the trail and ended up at a

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<v Speaker 1>shuttle station where they called for emergency services. So what's

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<v Speaker 1>going on? Right? It seems like the symptoms of dehydration

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<v Speaker 1>almost but she had been drinking so much water it

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<v Speaker 1>didn't really make any sense. So the paramedics arrived, they

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<v Speaker 1>got the lay of the situation. They and what they

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<v Speaker 1>eventually did was they got her to eat some pretzels. Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>so the problem wasn't a lack of water, It was

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<v Speaker 1>too much water deluding the salt content of her blood

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<v Speaker 1>plasma and what she needed to bounce back or some

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<v Speaker 1>salty snacks. All right, So that sounds like what everyone

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<v Speaker 1>needs to bring with them on a on a hike

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<v Speaker 1>from now and it just make sure you do have

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<v Speaker 1>some pretzels tucked away for emergency use. I wonder if

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<v Speaker 1>you need a rapid infusion of salt, Like, what is

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<v Speaker 1>the best thing to eat? I imagine the situation is

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<v Speaker 1>fairly rare and im America. Yeah, like, yeah, we do

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<v Speaker 1>love our salt. Yeah, well, I I love salty foods too,

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<v Speaker 1>But like, what is it like Dorito's or she you

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<v Speaker 1>take a jar of pickles or a stick of pepperoni,

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<v Speaker 1>But see other people might see you taking that bag

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<v Speaker 1>of Doritos or jar of pickles would be on the

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<v Speaker 1>hike and they're gonna, they're gonna they might judge you

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<v Speaker 1>for your your your choice in trail food. I guess

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<v Speaker 1>you just need like a salty trail mix or packets

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<v Speaker 1>of soy sauce, which will come back to in a bit. Okay, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>Well I wonder if some people, in addition to their

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<v Speaker 1>hydration when they're like running and exercising, they squirt those

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<v Speaker 1>little electrolyte gel things, right, and those have some amount

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<v Speaker 1>of salt content to help keep you balanced. Right. Yeah? Yeah, anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>gross side note of the story she told me about

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<v Speaker 1>the shuttle station. Uh, my friend, she felt so bad

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<v Speaker 1>after she got down there that she vomited out on

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<v Speaker 1>the ground somewhere. And then later, while she was waiting around,

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<v Speaker 1>she got to watch a wild fox wander over and

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<v Speaker 1>start eating it. Oh well that's kind of beautiful really.

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<v Speaker 1>Cycle of life, yeah, the cycle of whatever her life.

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<v Speaker 1>She ate and then vomited, and then something else got

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<v Speaker 1>to you. Yeah, I mean she was. She was behaving

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<v Speaker 1>much like certain buzzards do when threatened. You know, A

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<v Speaker 1>vomit which a vomiting display that is either meant to

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<v Speaker 1>scare off a predator or to distract it with a bribe. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>here you can have this. Yeah, have these pretzels and

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<v Speaker 1>you know in gatorade. So we totally need sodium to

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<v Speaker 1>keep our bodies functioning right. If you don't have enough

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<v Speaker 1>sodium in the body, this is called hypootremia, and you

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<v Speaker 1>can experience some really messed up symptoms. And in addition

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<v Speaker 1>to what you heard about in that story, nausea, vomiting, headache, fatigue,

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<v Speaker 1>and all that, you can on the far end of problems,

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<v Speaker 1>if he gets bad enough, you can end up with

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<v Speaker 1>seizures in coma. So I mentioned that sodium is an electrolyte,

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<v Speaker 1>that that's one of the reasons that it's necessary in

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<v Speaker 1>the body. And an electrolyte is a substance that tends

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<v Speaker 1>to dissolve in a solution and produce ions, or charged particles.

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<v Speaker 1>The presence of these charged particles makes the solution a

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<v Speaker 1>better conductor of electricity. For example, salt water is a

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<v Speaker 1>much better conductor of electricity than fresh water. And if

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<v Speaker 1>you want proof of this, you can look up videos

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<v Speaker 1>of salt water circuits. Have you ever seen one of these? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's kind of interesting. I wouldn't advise you to try

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<v Speaker 1>this on your own at home unless you really know

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<v Speaker 1>what you're doing. Electricity and water can be a dangerous combination.

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<v Speaker 1>But the basic setup is you've got a circuit UH

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<v Speaker 1>and it's connected to a battery and to a light bulb,

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<v Speaker 1>and at one point on your circuit you have open

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<v Speaker 1>wire ends that are stuck down into a jar of water.

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<v Speaker 1>So the electricity would need to go through the water

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<v Speaker 1>to complete the circuit. And if you've just got regular

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<v Speaker 1>tap water, especially if you've got something like distilled water,

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<v Speaker 1>the bulb is not going to light up. It can't

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<v Speaker 1>generate enough current to really complete the circuit. But if

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<v Speaker 1>you stir some salt into the water, suddenly the boat

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<v Speaker 1>the bulb will come to life. And there's some kind

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<v Speaker 1>of rough equivalence to that within within the body, like

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<v Speaker 1>the body is an electrochemical machine, and one of the

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<v Speaker 1>ways it regulates itself and does its stuff is through

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<v Speaker 1>electrochemical signal ling an electrochemical exchange. So your body cells

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<v Speaker 1>have membranes surrounding them, and these membranes are electrically permeable.

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<v Speaker 1>They can allow ions to pass through to balance electrical

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<v Speaker 1>charge on the sides of the membrane, and by exchanging

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<v Speaker 1>potassium ions and sodium ions across the cell membrane. The

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<v Speaker 1>cells can for example, direct an electrical impulse, which means

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<v Speaker 1>a chain of nerve cells can pass a message from

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<v Speaker 1>one part of the body to another. But you can

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<v Speaker 1>also think of sodium and potassium as one of the

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<v Speaker 1>ways that stuff gets into and out of a cell.

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<v Speaker 1>This electrolyte exchange across the cell membrane can be used,

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<v Speaker 1>for example, to exchange glucose to get glucose into the cell.

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<v Speaker 1>And the body also uses sodium to maintain overall fluid

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<v Speaker 1>balance and regulate blood pressure. So you need sodium. It's

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<v Speaker 1>an important part of everything your body needs to do

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<v Speaker 1>to survive. Without it, you would not be able to live.

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<v Speaker 1>But like we were saying, you don't need a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of it. It's interesting, isn't it. How you end up

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<v Speaker 1>revisiting the body as this kind of chemical equation. But

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<v Speaker 1>for the most part, it's a self regulating chemical chemical

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<v Speaker 1>equation provided that you have you have your your your

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<v Speaker 1>typical resources around you. Yeah, unless there's something really wrong

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<v Speaker 1>with your inputs. Generally, if the body is healthy, it's

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<v Speaker 1>going to be balancing the sides of this equation on

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<v Speaker 1>its own, and so the body usually tries to keep

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<v Speaker 1>the sodium content very stable between about a hundred and

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<v Speaker 1>thirty five and a hundred and forty five milli equivalence

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<v Speaker 1>of sodium per liter of water in your body. And

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<v Speaker 1>mill equivalence is a measure and chemistry often used to

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<v Speaker 1>measure the amount of solute and a solution. In this case,

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<v Speaker 1>it's sodium and water, and there are one thousand milli

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<v Speaker 1>equivalents and an equivalent. So notice that's a pretty tight

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<v Speaker 1>range for normal sodium levels. Right one to one forty

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<v Speaker 1>five milli equivalence means that the body needs to be

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<v Speaker 1>constantly managing its retention and excretion of sodium to keep

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<v Speaker 1>those levels in the optimal functioning range. But having too

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<v Speaker 1>much salt is I would guess a more common problem

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<v Speaker 1>than having too little, and certainly just as potentially harmful,

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<v Speaker 1>and drinking seawater puts you at immediate risk for over

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<v Speaker 1>salting your body and your cells can basically start to

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<v Speaker 1>get like salted slugs. It's not good. It's not good.

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<v Speaker 1>It's really it's really kind of diabolical. The way it

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<v Speaker 1>plays out, it seems like some sort of a punishment

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<v Speaker 1>from the inferno. So basically what happens is humans were

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<v Speaker 1>eating and drinking a lot to dilute our salt intake.

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<v Speaker 1>So you're fine normally, if you have a salty meal,

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<v Speaker 1>it's not going to kill you immediately because you can

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<v Speaker 1>drink water to make up for it. Your your kidneys

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<v Speaker 1>will help you excrete all that salt over a period

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<v Speaker 1>of time, because there's a reason you have that super

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<v Speaker 1>gulp of of sugary soda water, right right, Yeah, but yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>if we consume too much salt, the body has to

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<v Speaker 1>dump it. But that that body has to get rid

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<v Speaker 1>of that salt the only way it knows how through

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<v Speaker 1>urine evacuation mode exactly. But the human kidneys can only

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<v Speaker 1>make urine that is less salty than salt water, so

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<v Speaker 1>it cannot it can't get rid of it as fast

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<v Speaker 1>as it's coming in. To get rid of all that

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<v Speaker 1>excess salt from saltwater, you have to urinate more water

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<v Speaker 1>than you drink, and this is the path to doom.

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<v Speaker 1>You die of dehydration, becoming thirstier and thirstier with every gulp.

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<v Speaker 1>It's one of those faiths that is not only cruel,

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<v Speaker 1>but ironic. YEA, all right, we're gonna take a quick

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<v Speaker 1>break and when we come back, we're gonna get more

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<v Speaker 1>into this situation. What happens when we do drink salt

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<v Speaker 1>water and another outline question, does it lead to madness?

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<v Speaker 1>Does it lead to sea madness? Thank? Thank all right,

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<v Speaker 1>we're back. So, Robert, we've talked about how the body

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<v Speaker 1>needs sodium to survive, but if you have too much

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<v Speaker 1>of it, it's going to be a big problem for you.

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<v Speaker 1>And if you start drinking seawater when you're thirsty, it

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<v Speaker 1>will not cure your thirst, but we'll take you down

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<v Speaker 1>a bad road. That's right, the road to doom. So

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<v Speaker 1>the body tries to compensate for fluid loss by increasing

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<v Speaker 1>the heart rate and constricting blood vessel to maintain blood

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<v Speaker 1>pressure and flow to vital organs. So you're you're also

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<v Speaker 1>most likely to feel nauseous, weakness, and even a sense

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<v Speaker 1>of delirium. But as you become more dehydrated, the coping

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<v Speaker 1>mechanism fails. If you still don't drink any water to

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<v Speaker 1>reverse the effects of the excess sodium, the brain and

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<v Speaker 1>other organs receive less blood, leading to coma, organ failure

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<v Speaker 1>and eventually death. Right. So, as we've said, several times. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>if you're thirsty out on the ocean, don't drink the

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<v Speaker 1>sea water, that's right. And the delirium condition there that

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<v Speaker 1>that underlies the whole idea of sea madness, Right, you

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<v Speaker 1>could become delirious from drinking the seawater. We see a

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<v Speaker 1>good bit of that portrayed, I think in the rhyme

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<v Speaker 1>of the Ancient Mariner, even though well, I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>if it ever establishes in the poem a cause and

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<v Speaker 1>effect saying like, oh, somebody drank the sea water and

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<v Speaker 1>then they went mad. I can't remember. Is that in there?

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<v Speaker 1>At least you get that vibe. I mean, it could

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<v Speaker 1>be that this this character, the old man from the sea,

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<v Speaker 1>is just making up this whole story. It could be

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<v Speaker 1>may he just drink, see why, just right out of

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<v Speaker 1>the bay and walked up to this guy on his

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<v Speaker 1>way to the wedding. There's really no uh, no epic

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<v Speaker 1>survival story to to relate. Now, if this guy was

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<v Speaker 1>going to an ancient Greek wedding, it's possible he may

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<v Speaker 1>have been on his way to drink some seawater himself. Right, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>this so this is interesting. I was not aware of

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<v Speaker 1>the medicinal consumption of seawater prior to researching this episode,

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<v Speaker 1>but I ended up running across it and it's it's fascinating.

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<v Speaker 1>So we mentioned the fictional Iron Islanders earlier, a seagoing

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<v Speaker 1>people in George R. Martin's book who who honored the

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<v Speaker 1>sea and believe their god lives under the sea. And

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<v Speaker 1>this of course lines up with a number of different

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<v Speaker 1>traditions of ocean going people, particularly the ancient Greeks, who

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<v Speaker 1>were a seafaring culture, and they placed a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>emphasis on the power of the ocean, right and if

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<v Speaker 1>you anger Poseidon, it could really come back to bite you.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, I mean, of course, really, most of the

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<v Speaker 1>Greek gods were terrible entities to even attract the attention

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<v Speaker 1>of much less tick off. But yeah, Poseidon does fifth

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<v Speaker 1>feature into a number of these tales. I mean, in't

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<v Speaker 1>that what happened to Odysseus he made besides that, Yeah,

0:24:10.840 --> 0:24:13.359
<v Speaker 1>he's he's kind of the central antagonist of that one,

0:24:13.440 --> 0:24:16.480
<v Speaker 1>isn't it. But the Greeks they sometimes added seawater to

0:24:16.560 --> 0:24:21.000
<v Speaker 1>wine to to adjust the flavoring. Um Kato the Elder

0:24:21.000 --> 0:24:24.920
<v Speaker 1>reportedly served it to his slaves a mixture of wine

0:24:24.920 --> 0:24:27.800
<v Speaker 1>and seawater to keep them energized. That doesn't sound like

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<v Speaker 1>an energy drink, well, or does it like the electrolytes?

0:24:31.600 --> 0:24:35.040
<v Speaker 1>I guess you know, it's kind of like ancient cruel gatorade.

0:24:35.400 --> 0:24:37.879
<v Speaker 1>I guess all energy drinks are cruel, but that that's

0:24:37.920 --> 0:24:41.920
<v Speaker 1>crueler than usual. Yeah. Now, during the eighteenth century, physicians

0:24:41.920 --> 0:24:45.840
<v Speaker 1>took inspiration from the works of Hpocrates and Celsus and

0:24:45.880 --> 0:24:48.840
<v Speaker 1>they revived the practice. Uh Now, one of the classical

0:24:48.880 --> 0:24:52.400
<v Speaker 1>approach was to sweeten your saltwater. You're sweeten your seawater

0:24:52.480 --> 0:24:55.639
<v Speaker 1>with honey. The British like to dilute it with milk.

0:24:55.880 --> 0:24:58.880
<v Speaker 1>This sounds gross and just a big glass of salty

0:24:58.920 --> 0:25:02.960
<v Speaker 1>milk to to to enhance your constitution. I guess I'm

0:25:02.960 --> 0:25:05.880
<v Speaker 1>trying to imagine how salty it was like. As we've

0:25:05.920 --> 0:25:09.280
<v Speaker 1>said that they're they're electrolytes in some sports drinks. So

0:25:09.400 --> 0:25:11.560
<v Speaker 1>is this going to end up being about as salty

0:25:11.600 --> 0:25:13.520
<v Speaker 1>as gatorade? Or is it going to be like a

0:25:13.600 --> 0:25:16.800
<v Speaker 1>salty salty drink? Well, I think we find one possible

0:25:16.840 --> 0:25:20.600
<v Speaker 1>answer in an excellent two thousand thirteen Atlantic article by

0:25:20.920 --> 0:25:24.320
<v Speaker 1>Addie Brawn titled The Historic Healing Power of the beach.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll include a link to this article on the Landing

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<v Speaker 1>page for this episode of Stuff to Put Your Mind

0:25:28.600 --> 0:25:31.520
<v Speaker 1>dot Com because she gets into not only the idea

0:25:31.560 --> 0:25:34.159
<v Speaker 1>of drinking salt water, but just this idea of the

0:25:34.200 --> 0:25:37.520
<v Speaker 1>beach as a place where one might go to heal oneself,

0:25:38.240 --> 0:25:40.800
<v Speaker 1>which is which is an interesting topic on to itself,

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<v Speaker 1>and one that I find myself believing in and yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>yet unsure of the scientific you know, underlying truth to it. Well,

0:25:50.240 --> 0:25:52.720
<v Speaker 1>it seems like part of a broader phenomenon, especially in

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<v Speaker 1>the eighteenth century. I can think of of people who

0:25:55.040 --> 0:25:57.760
<v Speaker 1>have a disease being prescribed by their doctors, not to

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<v Speaker 1>like take a drug or I mean the that did

0:26:00.440 --> 0:26:03.800
<v Speaker 1>happen too, but to go to a specific climate. I

0:26:03.800 --> 0:26:06.840
<v Speaker 1>think about, you know, keats being prescribed you need to

0:26:06.840 --> 0:26:10.520
<v Speaker 1>go to like a Mediterranean climate to get well or something. Yeah.

0:26:10.600 --> 0:26:12.080
<v Speaker 1>But as she points out in the article, there was

0:26:12.080 --> 0:26:14.000
<v Speaker 1>a time when hanging out of the beach that's what

0:26:14.040 --> 0:26:17.840
<v Speaker 1>peasants did. It's only as this, uh, this resurgence of

0:26:17.880 --> 0:26:20.320
<v Speaker 1>the healing power of the beach becomes a thing. But

0:26:20.480 --> 0:26:24.840
<v Speaker 1>you see the higher classes heading out there as well. Now.

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<v Speaker 1>In this article, though she points out that in seventeen

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<v Speaker 1>fifty Dr Richard Russell published a treatise titled A Dissertation

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<v Speaker 1>on the Use of Seawater in the Diseases of the Glands,

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<v Speaker 1>particularly the scurvy, jaundice, King's Evil, leprosy and the glandular consumption. Okay,

0:26:43.840 --> 0:26:46.720
<v Speaker 1>so the King's evil, the King's evil. So the King's

0:26:46.760 --> 0:26:49.800
<v Speaker 1>evil was a swelling of the lymph nodes associated with

0:26:49.840 --> 0:26:52.480
<v Speaker 1>the tuberculosis. But of course the idea was that this

0:26:52.560 --> 0:26:55.639
<v Speaker 1>condition could be cured by the touch of a royal

0:26:56.280 --> 0:26:59.040
<v Speaker 1>royal person who was blessed by the divine right of king.

0:26:59.160 --> 0:27:02.560
<v Speaker 1>Exactly we know now that that that that cure does

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<v Speaker 1>not work. They're probably a great way to get syphilis.

0:27:05.600 --> 0:27:08.359
<v Speaker 1>Just looking back on the history. Wait, was this also

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<v Speaker 1>known as the SCRAWFULA? Is that I think I've read that? Yes,

0:27:11.240 --> 0:27:15.480
<v Speaker 1>I believe so so Dr Russell. He he prescribed a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of seawater, including to one of his patients who

0:27:19.240 --> 0:27:22.640
<v Speaker 1>who suffered from leprosy, and he required uh this particular

0:27:22.680 --> 0:27:25.800
<v Speaker 1>patient to sprinkle himself with seawater and quote drink a

0:27:25.880 --> 0:27:30.119
<v Speaker 1>pint of seawater every morning during nine months without any intervals.

0:27:30.359 --> 0:27:33.240
<v Speaker 1>And he reported a full recovery. I don't believe that

0:27:34.800 --> 0:27:38.880
<v Speaker 1>a pint of seawater that is a lot of salt. Yeah,

0:27:39.119 --> 0:27:41.280
<v Speaker 1>I would think so. I kept thinking about it during

0:27:41.280 --> 0:27:43.320
<v Speaker 1>my recent trip to the beach, like what have I?

0:27:43.359 --> 0:27:47.720
<v Speaker 1>What have I followed Dr Russell's advice and I myself

0:27:47.760 --> 0:27:50.240
<v Speaker 1>just drank a pint of this stuff every morning just

0:27:50.280 --> 0:27:52.920
<v Speaker 1>to kick off the day. Now here's a question I wonder.

0:27:52.960 --> 0:27:56.680
<v Speaker 1>I wonder if maybe people were in some cases not

0:27:56.840 --> 0:28:01.080
<v Speaker 1>drinking enough fresh water, and that by getting people to

0:28:01.160 --> 0:28:05.080
<v Speaker 1>drink seawater it made them thirsty, so they would end

0:28:05.160 --> 0:28:07.520
<v Speaker 1>up drinking a lot of fresh water to make up

0:28:07.560 --> 0:28:10.960
<v Speaker 1>for it, and that that would actually increase their overall

0:28:11.040 --> 0:28:14.120
<v Speaker 1>water consumption and make them healthier well. But of course

0:28:14.119 --> 0:28:17.040
<v Speaker 1>then that depends on their access to fresh water. Does

0:28:17.040 --> 0:28:19.000
<v Speaker 1>it result in them drinking more fresh water? Does it

0:28:19.040 --> 0:28:23.000
<v Speaker 1>result in them drinking more beer? I don't know. I'd

0:28:23.040 --> 0:28:27.440
<v Speaker 1>say the answer is probably beer. So if you were

0:28:27.560 --> 0:28:30.480
<v Speaker 1>if you are stuck at sea or on a deserted island,

0:28:30.600 --> 0:28:33.320
<v Speaker 1>or or what have you, obviously beer would be the

0:28:33.359 --> 0:28:36.520
<v Speaker 1>better choice. But but let's say you definitely have to

0:28:36.560 --> 0:28:40.440
<v Speaker 1>drink seawater. You should not drink seawater, but let's say

0:28:40.760 --> 0:28:43.760
<v Speaker 1>it starts looking like a good idea, how might one

0:28:43.800 --> 0:28:45.720
<v Speaker 1>go about that? Wait a minute, didn't we say you

0:28:45.720 --> 0:28:48.720
<v Speaker 1>shouldn't do it? No matter what? Exactly all the survival

0:28:48.720 --> 0:28:51.480
<v Speaker 1>manual say do not drink seawater. And yet you will

0:28:51.520 --> 0:28:55.360
<v Speaker 1>find particular survivalist who say, look, you shouldn't drink seawater.

0:28:55.400 --> 0:28:58.560
<v Speaker 1>But here's how you do it. Here's how I did

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<v Speaker 1>it and survived. All right, Well, let's hear some salty prescriptions. Okay,

0:29:02.200 --> 0:29:05.200
<v Speaker 1>So once again, to be clear, there are accounts and

0:29:05.280 --> 0:29:09.120
<v Speaker 1>sometimes rather disputed accounts, of individuals surviving their or their

0:29:09.240 --> 0:29:14.080
<v Speaker 1>ordeals at sea through the balance consumption of seawater. Balance.

0:29:14.320 --> 0:29:16.920
<v Speaker 1>So that means not just like ladling it out and

0:29:17.000 --> 0:29:20.320
<v Speaker 1>drinking it, but maybe mixing it with consumption of freshwater

0:29:20.600 --> 0:29:24.440
<v Speaker 1>or something else. Yeah. Noteworthy examples of this include French

0:29:24.520 --> 0:29:28.880
<v Speaker 1>biologist Alan Bombard, nor Even, Norwegian adventure thor Hire dol

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<v Speaker 1>rynch and sailor William Willis. I'm gonna talk a little

0:29:32.280 --> 0:29:36.600
<v Speaker 1>bit about Bombard here. He lived through two thousand five.

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<v Speaker 1>He went to an Oceano graphic institute in Monte Carlo

0:29:39.960 --> 0:29:43.920
<v Speaker 1>to develop ways for people lost in small boats to survive.

0:29:44.080 --> 0:29:46.880
<v Speaker 1>This after he and a friend survived in a boat

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<v Speaker 1>for five days with only a half kilogram of butter.

0:29:50.240 --> 0:29:53.200
<v Speaker 1>Of butter, what is that supposed to say? Water butter?

0:29:53.520 --> 0:29:56.720
<v Speaker 1>Just butter? Yes, butter? You heard that right, not water butter.

0:29:57.680 --> 0:30:00.200
<v Speaker 1>So what he's saying is, you know, if if there's

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<v Speaker 1>no fresh water around, you're saying, drink butter. That what

0:30:03.520 --> 0:30:07.240
<v Speaker 1>we're being told here. But basically, but now, during his

0:30:07.240 --> 0:30:10.560
<v Speaker 1>his time in Minding Carlo, he concluded the drinking limited

0:30:10.640 --> 0:30:14.800
<v Speaker 1>quality quantities of seawater and fluids pressed from raw fish,

0:30:15.160 --> 0:30:18.200
<v Speaker 1>and eating raw fish and plankton that this was the

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<v Speaker 1>way to go. Well, it'll come back in a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit later in this episode, but that may be part

0:30:23.040 --> 0:30:25.959
<v Speaker 1>of the strategy employed by some organisms that live in

0:30:26.000 --> 0:30:30.160
<v Speaker 1>the ocean exactly, but this case, like I said, it's

0:30:30.160 --> 0:30:32.400
<v Speaker 1>a it's a little uncertain exactly how that all this

0:30:32.440 --> 0:30:34.840
<v Speaker 1>shakes out. He later put it to the test and

0:30:34.880 --> 0:30:38.200
<v Speaker 1>claimed that while the raw fish and plankton tasted like

0:30:38.320 --> 0:30:42.360
<v Speaker 1>lobster biscuit, first it grew tiresome. Oh, it grew tiresome

0:30:42.640 --> 0:30:45.360
<v Speaker 1>on the on the lifeboat. Yeah, and uh. And then

0:30:45.640 --> 0:30:49.200
<v Speaker 1>a critic comes along, German doctor Hans Lindemann, who lived

0:30:49.320 --> 0:30:53.320
<v Speaker 1>UH through two thousand and fifteen. He tried to follow

0:30:53.360 --> 0:30:57.200
<v Speaker 1>his advice and drank seawater to survive on two short voyages,

0:30:57.480 --> 0:31:00.760
<v Speaker 1>resulting in dangerous swelling of his feet and legs, and

0:31:00.760 --> 0:31:04.440
<v Speaker 1>he ended up charging bombered with cheating, saying that he

0:31:04.480 --> 0:31:08.840
<v Speaker 1>had he'd probably use secreted provisions to survive in this test,

0:31:09.240 --> 0:31:12.320
<v Speaker 1>and UH and I believe he he suggested that it

0:31:12.360 --> 0:31:17.080
<v Speaker 1>was probably beer, to come back to our mentioned of

0:31:17.120 --> 0:31:20.800
<v Speaker 1>beer earlier. Now, he's not the only word on the

0:31:20.840 --> 0:31:24.200
<v Speaker 1>whole issue of how much seawater should you drink? According

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<v Speaker 1>to the paper Metabolic Effects in Rats drinking increasing concentrations

0:31:28.120 --> 0:31:32.520
<v Speaker 1>of seawater by z Etzen and R. Yaggle, published in

0:31:32.600 --> 0:31:39.360
<v Speaker 1>Comparative Biochemistry and Physiology, Part A UH of Physiology, found

0:31:39.360 --> 0:31:43.440
<v Speaker 1>that yes, drinking seawater wind dehydrated is quote not beneficial

0:31:43.680 --> 0:31:47.920
<v Speaker 1>and causes impaired renal function. But if push comes to shove,

0:31:48.080 --> 0:31:50.719
<v Speaker 1>they recommend the following. Oh so they actually got some

0:31:50.800 --> 0:31:53.720
<v Speaker 1>results that might be useful to save lives. Yeah, now

0:31:53.760 --> 0:31:55.920
<v Speaker 1>these are from these are with rats. But they say

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<v Speaker 1>when the concentration of seawater in the drinking water is

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<v Speaker 1>gradually increa east, there is a gradual increase in water

0:32:02.960 --> 0:32:07.800
<v Speaker 1>uptake and corresponding urine excretion. At fifty percent seawater, the

0:32:07.920 --> 0:32:11.600
<v Speaker 1>maximum uptake and excretion is reached. Following this, there is

0:32:11.600 --> 0:32:15.600
<v Speaker 1>a decline and appetite water uptake and urine secretion. So

0:32:15.920 --> 0:32:18.280
<v Speaker 1>this is this is what they say. It is suggested

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<v Speaker 1>that when a man is stranded at sea, it is

0:32:20.720 --> 0:32:23.080
<v Speaker 1>not advisable to drink all the fresh water and then

0:32:23.120 --> 0:32:26.080
<v Speaker 1>be compelled to drink sea water when be hydrated. It

0:32:26.200 --> 0:32:29.320
<v Speaker 1>is better to slowly increase the seawater uptake. This will

0:32:29.360 --> 0:32:32.880
<v Speaker 1>prolong the time before seawater needs to be drunk and

0:32:32.960 --> 0:32:37.200
<v Speaker 1>result in only minor metabolic changes. Return to freshwater will

0:32:37.240 --> 0:32:41.600
<v Speaker 1>be followed by an immediate return to normal homeostasis. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>I want to come back to soy sauce for a second, because,

0:32:44.840 --> 0:32:46.480
<v Speaker 1>as it turns out, there there are, of course other

0:32:46.520 --> 0:32:50.520
<v Speaker 1>ways to acquire salt poisoning, such as the two thousand

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<v Speaker 1>thirteen case reported in the Journal of Emergency Medicine, in

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<v Speaker 1>which a nineteen year old Virginian man drank a quart

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<v Speaker 1>of soy sauce what apparently on a day and he

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<v Speaker 1>he developed a hypernatremia so it's the opposite of the

0:33:06.320 --> 0:33:09.160
<v Speaker 1>condition you were talking earlier. This is too much salt

0:33:09.240 --> 0:33:12.080
<v Speaker 1>in the blood. Then this is super dangerous because it

0:33:12.160 --> 0:33:16.000
<v Speaker 1>essentially turns your brain into jerky. Now, if I had

0:33:16.040 --> 0:33:18.880
<v Speaker 1>to guess, I suppose I could, I would guess that

0:33:19.040 --> 0:33:22.280
<v Speaker 1>if the body detected that much salt going in through

0:33:22.360 --> 0:33:26.360
<v Speaker 1>the digestive system, it would just immediately reject it through vomiting,

0:33:26.720 --> 0:33:29.960
<v Speaker 1>you would think. And yet in this case, he drank

0:33:30.040 --> 0:33:34.280
<v Speaker 1>down the the soy sauce and then he started complaining

0:33:34.560 --> 0:33:39.320
<v Speaker 1>of of these symptoms that he was feeling nauseous, because

0:33:39.320 --> 0:33:41.520
<v Speaker 1>in this case he drank enough to go into a

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<v Speaker 1>seizure and had to had had to be picked up

0:33:44.800 --> 0:33:47.320
<v Speaker 1>by the ambulance taken to the emergency room. So so

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<v Speaker 1>what happens here is that the water ends up moving

0:33:50.160 --> 0:33:52.960
<v Speaker 1>out of the brain into the body to equalize the

0:33:53.000 --> 0:33:56.680
<v Speaker 1>salt concentration, and this can cause the brain to shrink

0:33:56.840 --> 0:34:00.880
<v Speaker 1>into blithe so at once he arrives the emergency room,

0:34:00.960 --> 0:34:03.520
<v Speaker 1>they had to pump one point five gallons or six

0:34:03.600 --> 0:34:06.840
<v Speaker 1>liters of sugar water into a system, and his levels

0:34:06.840 --> 0:34:10.719
<v Speaker 1>normalized after five hours. The hippocampus, however, a region of

0:34:10.719 --> 0:34:13.840
<v Speaker 1>his brain showed signs of trauma for several days before

0:34:13.840 --> 0:34:17.480
<v Speaker 1>returning to normal. So we've said, don't drink the seawater. Also,

0:34:17.760 --> 0:34:20.800
<v Speaker 1>don't drink the soy sauce, don't don't drink the soy sauce,

0:34:20.840 --> 0:34:24.760
<v Speaker 1>and certainly don't slam the soy sauce, not to demonize

0:34:24.800 --> 0:34:28.000
<v Speaker 1>soy sauce big fans of soy sauce now. Interestingly enough,

0:34:28.040 --> 0:34:31.680
<v Speaker 1>in the paper, authors Carl Berg at All reports that

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<v Speaker 1>in ancient China, salt ingestion was a traditional method for suicide.

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<v Speaker 1>This led me to a paper. Yeah, this, this the

0:34:41.360 --> 0:34:43.960
<v Speaker 1>floored me as well. That sounds like the result of

0:34:44.040 --> 0:34:47.760
<v Speaker 1>like some sick brainstorming session at a saw movie writer's

0:34:47.840 --> 0:34:50.000
<v Speaker 1>meeting where they're trying to come up with like the

0:34:50.040 --> 0:34:54.080
<v Speaker 1>most horrible way to kill somebody. I agree, I I was.

0:34:54.320 --> 0:34:55.680
<v Speaker 1>I was a little doubtful of it, so I ended

0:34:55.760 --> 0:34:57.600
<v Speaker 1>up doing a little more research on it. This led

0:34:57.640 --> 0:35:00.440
<v Speaker 1>me to a paper in jama titled Suicide by Drinking

0:35:00.440 --> 0:35:03.839
<v Speaker 1>a solution of salt by sea Herman Barlow. Sounds good, right,

0:35:03.880 --> 0:35:07.439
<v Speaker 1>except it's a nineteen twelve paper, so that it's it's

0:35:07.640 --> 0:35:10.440
<v Speaker 1>you know, not definitive. But in this the author says quote,

0:35:10.440 --> 0:35:13.360
<v Speaker 1>salt is taken for suicidal purposes, sometimes in a common

0:35:13.640 --> 0:35:17.480
<v Speaker 1>saturated solution made with water as the solvent, and sometimes

0:35:17.480 --> 0:35:21.440
<v Speaker 1>in the brine from salted crout. Poisoning by salt usually

0:35:21.600 --> 0:35:24.520
<v Speaker 1>presents a picture of high temperature and pulse purging, vomiting

0:35:24.520 --> 0:35:29.040
<v Speaker 1>and spasm. Um. Yeah, I couldn't find anything else on this. Really.

0:35:29.080 --> 0:35:33.160
<v Speaker 1>I found that I found some some information about the

0:35:34.000 --> 0:35:37.200
<v Speaker 1>nature of suicide in Chinese society in in the book

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<v Speaker 1>Chinese Society, Change, Conflict and Resistance uh and and in

0:35:40.960 --> 0:35:44.520
<v Speaker 1>this author is seeingly an author Kleinman. They write the

0:35:44.600 --> 0:35:47.560
<v Speaker 1>quote suicide is not simply authorized in the Chinese tradition

0:35:47.840 --> 0:35:50.359
<v Speaker 1>as an unnatural death. It was to be avoided, and

0:35:50.480 --> 0:35:53.600
<v Speaker 1>it was in some text not to be mourned. Suicide

0:35:53.680 --> 0:35:56.279
<v Speaker 1>was polluted and polluting. I wasn't able to find much

0:35:56.320 --> 0:36:01.480
<v Speaker 1>more about traditional Chinese suicide practice than that. Yeah. One

0:36:01.480 --> 0:36:04.360
<v Speaker 1>of the types of claims I'm often the most skeptical

0:36:04.440 --> 0:36:07.520
<v Speaker 1>of is just sort of like generic claims about cultural

0:36:07.560 --> 0:36:12.359
<v Speaker 1>practices in some culture other than the one writing about it. Yeah,

0:36:12.400 --> 0:36:15.719
<v Speaker 1>and especially when drinking salt water as a means of

0:36:15.800 --> 0:36:19.120
<v Speaker 1>killing yourself is it does seem nonsensical. It seems like

0:36:19.160 --> 0:36:22.120
<v Speaker 1>they're much better ways. It seems like this, this would

0:36:22.160 --> 0:36:24.000
<v Speaker 1>be the sort of thing that wouldn't want to be

0:36:24.080 --> 0:36:26.319
<v Speaker 1>driven to in a survival situation or in a case

0:36:26.400 --> 0:36:30.360
<v Speaker 1>of of some sort of severe mental instability. Yeah, but

0:36:30.560 --> 0:36:32.000
<v Speaker 1>if you are out there and you know of a

0:36:32.040 --> 0:36:34.480
<v Speaker 1>more authoritative source about this, police send it our way.

0:36:34.600 --> 0:36:37.319
<v Speaker 1>This would be interesting to know by all means. All right, well,

0:36:37.320 --> 0:36:38.920
<v Speaker 1>we are going to take a quick breaking. When we

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<v Speaker 1>come back, we'll ask the question, do any animals drink seawater?

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<v Speaker 1>And if so, how Alright? We're back. So when you

0:36:48.920 --> 0:36:52.360
<v Speaker 1>think of ocean dwelling animals, if you're like me, you

0:36:52.480 --> 0:36:55.719
<v Speaker 1>probably assumed that they just must have some way of

0:36:55.800 --> 0:36:59.640
<v Speaker 1>drinking salt water to hydrate themselves. That's what seems obvious, right,

0:37:00.160 --> 0:37:04.120
<v Speaker 1>But this isn't necessarily the case, not for all of them.

0:37:04.360 --> 0:37:07.600
<v Speaker 1>I found a good explainer in this Scientific American article

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<v Speaker 1>by a marine biologist, Robert Kinney of the University of

0:37:11.200 --> 0:37:14.000
<v Speaker 1>Rhode Island about how animals that live in the sea

0:37:14.080 --> 0:37:17.879
<v Speaker 1>consume saltwater. Specifically, he was focused on mammals, and one

0:37:17.880 --> 0:37:20.080
<v Speaker 1>of the things he pointed out is that it's not

0:37:20.280 --> 0:37:23.919
<v Speaker 1>that marine mammals are like these salt monsters, with ten

0:37:24.000 --> 0:37:27.279
<v Speaker 1>percent salt in their blood. In fact, despite the fact

0:37:27.280 --> 0:37:30.440
<v Speaker 1>that they live in this salty environment, the salt concentration

0:37:30.560 --> 0:37:32.880
<v Speaker 1>in their blood is not very different from that of

0:37:32.960 --> 0:37:36.759
<v Speaker 1>terrestrial mammals, so they're they're insides are a lot like

0:37:36.840 --> 0:37:39.840
<v Speaker 1>our inside. So their blood is generally about one third

0:37:39.880 --> 0:37:42.600
<v Speaker 1>as salty as seawater, which is kind of close to

0:37:42.640 --> 0:37:47.120
<v Speaker 1>what ours is. But some sea dwelling mammals get water

0:37:47.280 --> 0:37:50.160
<v Speaker 1>not by drinking from the ocean and purging the salt,

0:37:50.280 --> 0:37:53.200
<v Speaker 1>but from their food. This kind of goes back to

0:37:53.280 --> 0:37:55.879
<v Speaker 1>Bombard's recommendation where he said, you know, maybe you can

0:37:55.880 --> 0:38:00.640
<v Speaker 1>get uh some freshwater content by pressing the ash of

0:38:00.880 --> 0:38:04.480
<v Speaker 1>fish or something like that, or or of marine plants.

0:38:05.080 --> 0:38:07.520
<v Speaker 1>You've heard a million times that the human body is

0:38:07.600 --> 0:38:10.800
<v Speaker 1>you know, however many percent water three water or whatever.

0:38:10.880 --> 0:38:12.839
<v Speaker 1>I think the real figure is something close to six

0:38:13.480 --> 0:38:17.319
<v Speaker 1>by mass. Well, other organisms are also largely made of water,

0:38:17.400 --> 0:38:20.560
<v Speaker 1>and if you eat them, you can get water from them.

0:38:20.640 --> 0:38:24.760
<v Speaker 1>But sub marine organisms also actually do drink the brine wine.

0:38:24.920 --> 0:38:29.480
<v Speaker 1>So how does that work. Well, they're basically two different approaches.

0:38:29.920 --> 0:38:33.600
<v Speaker 1>One approach is that they act as osmotic conformers. Okay,

0:38:33.600 --> 0:38:36.120
<v Speaker 1>what does that mean? So marine plants and invertebrates, they

0:38:36.120 --> 0:38:39.200
<v Speaker 1>have no mechanism to control osmosis, so their cells are

0:38:39.239 --> 0:38:43.160
<v Speaker 1>the same salinity as their environment thirty five for ocean dwellers,

0:38:43.400 --> 0:38:47.440
<v Speaker 1>and that means saltwater intake doesn't disrupt their physiological equilibrium.

0:38:47.520 --> 0:38:50.680
<v Speaker 1>So that's plants and invertebrates that they basically say, okay,

0:38:50.680 --> 0:38:54.880
<v Speaker 1>we're just committing to salt life exactly. But what about vertebrates?

0:38:54.960 --> 0:38:59.120
<v Speaker 1>All right, this is where we encounter osmotic regulators. Most fish,

0:38:59.160 --> 0:39:03.239
<v Speaker 1>as well as reptiles, birds, and mammals control osmosis in

0:39:03.280 --> 0:39:06.880
<v Speaker 1>a variety of ways. For instance, salmon, you specialized cells

0:39:06.880 --> 0:39:10.359
<v Speaker 1>on their gills called chloride cells to cope with osmosis.

0:39:10.800 --> 0:39:15.000
<v Speaker 1>Chloride cells can excrete excess salt, allowing a fish to

0:39:15.080 --> 0:39:18.799
<v Speaker 1>take uh in water without dehydrating. Okay, so you can

0:39:18.840 --> 0:39:22.000
<v Speaker 1>imagine that in some senses these might work kind of

0:39:22.040 --> 0:39:26.120
<v Speaker 1>like the like the water purifying plants that that get

0:39:26.320 --> 0:39:29.400
<v Speaker 1>fresh water out of the ocean water through some process

0:39:29.440 --> 0:39:33.880
<v Speaker 1>of reverse osmosis. They've got a membrane and it allows

0:39:33.960 --> 0:39:36.919
<v Speaker 1>water to come through from one side to the other,

0:39:37.040 --> 0:39:40.080
<v Speaker 1>but keeps the salt out or maybe the wady. The

0:39:40.080 --> 0:39:42.520
<v Speaker 1>body works by purging salt in the other way, like

0:39:42.560 --> 0:39:45.360
<v Speaker 1>it can excrete salt through a membrane while retaining the

0:39:45.400 --> 0:39:48.080
<v Speaker 1>water content. Yeah, I think that's a that's a good

0:39:48.080 --> 0:39:49.960
<v Speaker 1>way to put it now. I recently returned from a

0:39:49.960 --> 0:39:52.319
<v Speaker 1>trip to Florida, and I was sort of churning over

0:39:52.360 --> 0:39:54.680
<v Speaker 1>a lot of this salt research while I was down there,

0:39:55.200 --> 0:39:59.200
<v Speaker 1>as I was encountering manatees both in the wild and

0:39:59.640 --> 0:40:03.600
<v Speaker 1>in an aquarium situation, as well as some exhibits with

0:40:03.600 --> 0:40:07.440
<v Speaker 1>a number of different aquatic reptiles. So one example was

0:40:07.520 --> 0:40:11.120
<v Speaker 1>the American crocodile. It excretes salt through the use of

0:40:11.239 --> 0:40:15.960
<v Speaker 1>modified salivary glands called lingual salt glands in their tongues

0:40:16.560 --> 0:40:20.200
<v Speaker 1>salty tongues, and these allow them to tolerate partially salty

0:40:20.239 --> 0:40:24.400
<v Speaker 1>water or even full seawater in some species. And similarly,

0:40:24.440 --> 0:40:27.560
<v Speaker 1>the green and loggerhead sea turtles have salt glands near

0:40:27.600 --> 0:40:31.840
<v Speaker 1>their eyes. Um salt glands are also found in sharks,

0:40:31.960 --> 0:40:36.279
<v Speaker 1>raised skates, seabirds, and a few reptiles. Marine iguanas are

0:40:36.320 --> 0:40:38.960
<v Speaker 1>a great example of this. They have nasal salt glands

0:40:39.040 --> 0:40:42.759
<v Speaker 1>that dislodge the salt through the splendid nasal blast. Oh.

0:40:42.880 --> 0:40:45.240
<v Speaker 1>I wonder if that's why sometimes you see those marine

0:40:45.280 --> 0:40:49.200
<v Speaker 1>iguanas looking so crusty on the face. Probably probably so,

0:40:49.760 --> 0:40:51.480
<v Speaker 1>there are a few different I want to say. It's

0:40:51.480 --> 0:40:55.040
<v Speaker 1>probably the you know, the BBC series with Attenborough where

0:40:55.040 --> 0:40:57.640
<v Speaker 1>you get to see some of these these iguanas of

0:40:57.800 --> 0:40:59.840
<v Speaker 1>swimming under the water and then coming up on the

0:41:00.000 --> 0:41:03.440
<v Speaker 1>surface to just blast that salt out of their nose. Okay, well,

0:41:03.440 --> 0:41:06.520
<v Speaker 1>how about some mammals. All right, well the manateee is

0:41:06.719 --> 0:41:09.400
<v Speaker 1>I think that the perfect example to look to next.

0:41:09.960 --> 0:41:15.360
<v Speaker 1>So among the Sirenian species, you have both strict fresh

0:41:15.360 --> 0:41:18.279
<v Speaker 1>water inhabitants such as the Amazonian manatees. These are like

0:41:18.400 --> 0:41:22.360
<v Speaker 1>river manatees. Yeah, and then you have strictly saltwater inhabitants

0:41:22.360 --> 0:41:26.200
<v Speaker 1>like the marine doo gongs. Now, if anyone's not familiar

0:41:26.239 --> 0:41:28.440
<v Speaker 1>with the doo gong, it's essentially like a manatee. It

0:41:28.480 --> 0:41:31.440
<v Speaker 1>looks like a manatee. Uh, kind of a gray mitchell

0:41:31.600 --> 0:41:34.799
<v Speaker 1>entire man. Yeah, except its tail is more like that

0:41:34.880 --> 0:41:36.960
<v Speaker 1>of a whale or you know, even I guess a

0:41:37.000 --> 0:41:41.480
<v Speaker 1>mermaid as opposed to the the the West Indian manateee.

0:41:41.480 --> 0:41:44.480
<v Speaker 1>The manateee that you encounter in Florida has this kind

0:41:44.480 --> 0:41:48.880
<v Speaker 1>of paddle tail. And yeah, the West Indian manateee is

0:41:48.880 --> 0:41:51.680
<v Speaker 1>is really most interesting because it inhabits both fresh and

0:41:51.719 --> 0:41:56.120
<v Speaker 1>salty water and of course the brackish waters in between. Now,

0:41:56.120 --> 0:41:58.719
<v Speaker 1>given their vulnerability, the manateee has received quite a bit

0:41:58.719 --> 0:42:01.680
<v Speaker 1>of study. According to the University of Central Florida is

0:42:01.920 --> 0:42:07.880
<v Speaker 1>Physiological Ecology and bio bio Energetics lab. Manatees and fresh

0:42:07.920 --> 0:42:10.799
<v Speaker 1>water seem to get a great deal of water from

0:42:10.800 --> 0:42:14.400
<v Speaker 1>the food they eat. Their voracious herbivores, after all, consuming

0:42:14.640 --> 0:42:17.680
<v Speaker 1>around nine percent of their body weight per day, and

0:42:17.719 --> 0:42:24.839
<v Speaker 1>they weigh up to twelve thirteen pounds or so. They're

0:42:24.880 --> 0:42:27.520
<v Speaker 1>they're large animals. Plus they also drink a lot of

0:42:27.560 --> 0:42:31.879
<v Speaker 1>fresh water while it's there. Oh yeah, there's um I've

0:42:31.920 --> 0:42:34.120
<v Speaker 1>heard from people who've grown up in Florida the whole

0:42:34.120 --> 0:42:37.680
<v Speaker 1>anecdote about how you can, you can and absolutely should not,

0:42:38.440 --> 0:42:43.120
<v Speaker 1>um fee give a manateee fresh water from a hose. Yes,

0:42:43.600 --> 0:42:46.520
<v Speaker 1>Actually that article I was talking about earlier, by that

0:42:46.600 --> 0:42:49.160
<v Speaker 1>the marine biologist Kenny He writes about that. He said,

0:42:49.200 --> 0:42:52.640
<v Speaker 1>when given a choice of manatees and some pinnipeds will

0:42:52.719 --> 0:42:55.799
<v Speaker 1>go to a freshwater source to drink it, and that

0:42:55.920 --> 0:42:59.399
<v Speaker 1>sometimes people who live on salty waterways in Florida will

0:42:59.400 --> 0:43:02.320
<v Speaker 1>like put out a garden hose to watch the manatees

0:43:02.400 --> 0:43:04.160
<v Speaker 1>come over and drink from it because they like it

0:43:04.200 --> 0:43:06.640
<v Speaker 1>better than the salty or brackish water. And of course,

0:43:06.640 --> 0:43:09.560
<v Speaker 1>the danger there with with the West Indian manatee is

0:43:09.600 --> 0:43:13.200
<v Speaker 1>that is that you do not want them associating food

0:43:13.440 --> 0:43:17.760
<v Speaker 1>or fresh water with humans, because interaction between humans and manatees,

0:43:17.800 --> 0:43:21.680
<v Speaker 1>particularly interactions between boats and manatees, this is the leading

0:43:21.719 --> 0:43:25.600
<v Speaker 1>cause of death for the species. Yeah. Now, now that's

0:43:25.640 --> 0:43:27.640
<v Speaker 1>of course when they're in fresh water. Yeah, they can

0:43:27.640 --> 0:43:30.600
<v Speaker 1>get the fresh water all around them. In salt water, however,

0:43:30.640 --> 0:43:33.759
<v Speaker 1>they seem to limit their direct salt intake and have

0:43:33.840 --> 0:43:37.160
<v Speaker 1>been observed to cease the consumption of sea grasses when

0:43:37.160 --> 0:43:40.760
<v Speaker 1>their salt levels get too high. So the sea grasses

0:43:40.760 --> 0:43:44.160
<v Speaker 1>I assume are saltier than some of the other things, yes, exactly, Yeah,

0:43:44.160 --> 0:43:47.759
<v Speaker 1>that this grass is in the salty environment and is saltier. Now,

0:43:47.760 --> 0:43:50.319
<v Speaker 1>one of the interesting strategies that Kenny mentions is that

0:43:50.360 --> 0:43:53.839
<v Speaker 1>he says some seals will actually eat snow to get

0:43:53.880 --> 0:43:56.640
<v Speaker 1>fresh water. Well, I grew up eating snow, don't. Didn't

0:43:56.640 --> 0:43:59.080
<v Speaker 1>you have snow creams when you're a child? Wait? Hold on,

0:43:59.120 --> 0:44:00.960
<v Speaker 1>what is a snow cream? How is that different from

0:44:00.960 --> 0:44:04.080
<v Speaker 1>a snow cone? A snow cream is you you were

0:44:04.080 --> 0:44:05.920
<v Speaker 1>allowed to go out into the snow, You get a

0:44:05.960 --> 0:44:08.840
<v Speaker 1>bowl of snow, you bring it inside, and you put

0:44:08.880 --> 0:44:10.839
<v Speaker 1>like sugar and milk on it and you eat it

0:44:11.520 --> 0:44:15.040
<v Speaker 1>that Okay, I have not increasing messing with me. You

0:44:15.040 --> 0:44:16.880
<v Speaker 1>know this is real. I would I would do it

0:44:16.880 --> 0:44:20.040
<v Speaker 1>as a child up in uh Up in Newfoundland, Canada.

0:44:20.200 --> 0:44:22.279
<v Speaker 1>You get that brown slush from under the tire and

0:44:22.840 --> 0:44:24.800
<v Speaker 1>you only go for the white stuff. You leave the

0:44:24.840 --> 0:44:27.680
<v Speaker 1>brown and the yellow alone. Uh And, and I have

0:44:27.760 --> 0:44:29.839
<v Speaker 1>to add I I do not know to what extent

0:44:29.960 --> 0:44:32.680
<v Speaker 1>this is still done. I have not introduced it to

0:44:33.120 --> 0:44:36.440
<v Speaker 1>my son yet, but I do have fond memories of

0:44:36.480 --> 0:44:38.560
<v Speaker 1>doing doing this as a child. Well, I did not

0:44:38.640 --> 0:44:41.480
<v Speaker 1>expect to learn that today. Well, now, you know, you

0:44:41.560 --> 0:44:43.879
<v Speaker 1>learn something new to do with milk and sugar every day.

0:44:45.080 --> 0:44:47.239
<v Speaker 1>And hey, if you want to throw some salt in there,

0:44:47.320 --> 0:44:49.319
<v Speaker 1>then you have the curative properties of that as well.

0:44:49.360 --> 0:44:51.880
<v Speaker 1>You know for your leprosy? Right, Well, I think you

0:44:51.880 --> 0:44:53.960
<v Speaker 1>actually need salt if you're gonna go ahead and make

0:44:54.000 --> 0:44:56.560
<v Speaker 1>full on ice cream, right, Well, that's true. Yeah, if

0:44:56.560 --> 0:44:58.440
<v Speaker 1>you're gonna go all the way, you're gonna need the salt.

0:44:58.560 --> 0:45:01.359
<v Speaker 1>So there you go. But perhaps there are some snow

0:45:01.360 --> 0:45:05.200
<v Speaker 1>cream experts out there practicing snow cream eaters that can

0:45:05.320 --> 0:45:09.160
<v Speaker 1>weigh in on this. Now, also a survival tactic among

0:45:09.280 --> 0:45:13.439
<v Speaker 1>some seals and sea lions is apparently too actually get

0:45:13.520 --> 0:45:15.920
<v Speaker 1>some salty water in their system and just they just

0:45:16.040 --> 0:45:18.920
<v Speaker 1>purge the heck out of it. Like Kinney writes that

0:45:19.160 --> 0:45:22.239
<v Speaker 1>measurements have found that among seals and sea lions, their

0:45:22.360 --> 0:45:24.880
<v Speaker 1>urine can be up to two point five times as

0:45:24.960 --> 0:45:27.879
<v Speaker 1>salty as seawater. Remember how we talked about how our

0:45:28.040 --> 0:45:30.840
<v Speaker 1>urine can't get as salty as seawater, so we can't

0:45:30.880 --> 0:45:35.000
<v Speaker 1>net purge salt. We're just gonna accumulate it. But seals

0:45:35.000 --> 0:45:37.279
<v Speaker 1>and sea lions apparently can. They can be up to

0:45:37.239 --> 0:45:39.839
<v Speaker 1>two point five times as salty as seawater, meaning it's

0:45:39.880 --> 0:45:42.319
<v Speaker 1>seven or eight times saltier than their blood. And that

0:45:42.480 --> 0:45:45.160
<v Speaker 1>is some salty urine. So but they have the kidneys

0:45:45.160 --> 0:45:47.520
<v Speaker 1>of a creature that is evolved to thrive in a

0:45:47.600 --> 0:45:51.160
<v Speaker 1>saltwater habitat. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, they think that the kidneys

0:45:51.200 --> 0:45:53.919
<v Speaker 1>have evolved to have these different types of structures, these

0:45:53.960 --> 0:45:57.879
<v Speaker 1>longer loops that allow for more purging of water out

0:45:57.920 --> 0:46:00.480
<v Speaker 1>of the concentrated solution that they will have actually end

0:46:00.560 --> 0:46:04.239
<v Speaker 1>up excreting in their urine curiously enough, apparently, at least

0:46:04.280 --> 0:46:06.239
<v Speaker 1>of the time Kenny was writing, he wrote that we

0:46:06.280 --> 0:46:10.000
<v Speaker 1>don't yet fully understand how whales and dolphins hydrate themselves,

0:46:10.600 --> 0:46:14.279
<v Speaker 1>just because it's it's harder to study them in the wild. Interesting. Yeah,

0:46:14.320 --> 0:46:16.760
<v Speaker 1>I mean, the sea retains so many of its mysteries,

0:46:17.040 --> 0:46:19.000
<v Speaker 1>just as the ancient mariner would have it. Yeah, I

0:46:19.040 --> 0:46:21.360
<v Speaker 1>think I think that the old man they know what

0:46:21.440 --> 0:46:23.839
<v Speaker 1>the gray haired loon I would agree with us there.

0:46:24.600 --> 0:46:28.040
<v Speaker 1>So I know you're out there thinking like, okay, unhand me,

0:46:28.040 --> 0:46:30.239
<v Speaker 1>gray beard loon. It's time for this episode to wrap up.

0:46:30.280 --> 0:46:32.400
<v Speaker 1>Should we wrap up? Yeah, let's let's go ahead and

0:46:32.400 --> 0:46:35.080
<v Speaker 1>wrap it up. Hopefully we provided you know, a decent

0:46:35.120 --> 0:46:38.799
<v Speaker 1>overview of of salt water, why we can't drink it,

0:46:39.520 --> 0:46:42.799
<v Speaker 1>some of the arguments for drinking it, and instructions on

0:46:42.840 --> 0:46:45.560
<v Speaker 1>how to drink it if you absolutely have to. Uh,

0:46:45.800 --> 0:46:48.760
<v Speaker 1>we do want to drive home, though, do not drink saltwater.

0:46:48.800 --> 0:46:51.279
<v Speaker 1>Do not do not leave this podcast thinking that you

0:46:51.320 --> 0:46:54.120
<v Speaker 1>should try a couple of pints. Now, what should their

0:46:54.120 --> 0:46:56.719
<v Speaker 1>opinion be on snow cream? I don't know, I have

0:46:56.840 --> 0:46:59.480
<v Speaker 1>I have not researched it recently. I probably should to

0:46:59.520 --> 0:47:01.680
<v Speaker 1>see see if I should let my my son eat

0:47:01.760 --> 0:47:04.520
<v Speaker 1>snow the next time it snows here in Atlanta, Georgia.

0:47:04.960 --> 0:47:07.719
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, I would. I would love to hear from

0:47:07.920 --> 0:47:09.800
<v Speaker 1>people who are a little more up on the science

0:47:09.840 --> 0:47:12.560
<v Speaker 1>of eating snow. Likewise, I'd love to hear from anyone

0:47:12.600 --> 0:47:16.200
<v Speaker 1>who has uh who either has a story of not

0:47:16.239 --> 0:47:19.680
<v Speaker 1>consuming enough salt or consuming way too much of drinking seawater.

0:47:19.760 --> 0:47:22.440
<v Speaker 1>I mean, it's we have a number of listeners. I

0:47:22.440 --> 0:47:25.560
<v Speaker 1>imagine some of you have been in survival situations before.

0:47:25.680 --> 0:47:28.160
<v Speaker 1>I'd love to hear what it was like. And I

0:47:28.200 --> 0:47:30.279
<v Speaker 1>know we've heard from some listeners in the past who

0:47:30.280 --> 0:47:32.560
<v Speaker 1>have actually lived and worked on the high seas. So

0:47:32.880 --> 0:47:36.920
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