1 00:00:05,200 --> 00:00:07,360 Speaker 1: Hey, this is Bridget and this is and you're listening 2 00:00:07,400 --> 00:00:20,279 Speaker 1: the stuff mom ever told you. Um, so we have 3 00:00:20,320 --> 00:00:22,680 Speaker 1: a little update for you. It is not a good one. 4 00:00:22,800 --> 00:00:25,959 Speaker 1: It is all around the subject of reproductive health. You 5 00:00:26,000 --> 00:00:29,400 Speaker 1: may have seen recently that people were freaking out, myself 6 00:00:29,440 --> 00:00:31,920 Speaker 1: included because of the Supreme Court, and you might have thought, 7 00:00:32,000 --> 00:00:35,040 Speaker 1: what's happening? Why is everyone freaked out? Well, we are 8 00:00:35,080 --> 00:00:37,920 Speaker 1: here to tell you. So here are two big updates. 9 00:00:37,920 --> 00:00:41,000 Speaker 1: I've got people really really concerned about reproductive health and 10 00:00:41,040 --> 00:00:43,080 Speaker 1: freedom in the last couple of weeks. So, if you've 11 00:00:43,080 --> 00:00:46,400 Speaker 1: ever heard of fake clinics, basically what a fake clinic is, 12 00:00:46,560 --> 00:00:49,519 Speaker 1: it's these clinics that are masking as places to get 13 00:00:49,560 --> 00:00:53,240 Speaker 1: actual abortion care. And if you were to google abortion, 14 00:00:53,880 --> 00:00:56,560 Speaker 1: you know, and then your zip code on Google, they're 15 00:00:56,560 --> 00:00:58,800 Speaker 1: actually ads for these clinics that would appear to be 16 00:00:58,800 --> 00:01:02,000 Speaker 1: abortion clinics, and only once you went there you would realize, 17 00:01:02,200 --> 00:01:03,680 Speaker 1: I mean, I can't even use the word clinic. It's 18 00:01:03,680 --> 00:01:06,920 Speaker 1: actually an organization run by an anti abortion group and 19 00:01:06,959 --> 00:01:09,840 Speaker 1: not a place to get an abortion. Yeah, groups like 20 00:01:09,920 --> 00:01:12,679 Speaker 1: Ultra Violet have been pressuring Google to do something, calling 21 00:01:12,760 --> 00:01:15,880 Speaker 1: the search results ads and map results deceptive and a 22 00:01:15,959 --> 00:01:20,800 Speaker 1: violation of Google's policy against misrepresentation. Google's previously promised to 23 00:01:21,040 --> 00:01:23,600 Speaker 1: rain them in, but has so far been unable to 24 00:01:23,640 --> 00:01:25,320 Speaker 1: do so. So what does this have to do with 25 00:01:25,360 --> 00:01:29,240 Speaker 1: scout US? Well, everything. In June, scoutest rule that it's 26 00:01:29,280 --> 00:01:31,800 Speaker 1: a okay for these fake clinics to mislead people who 27 00:01:31,800 --> 00:01:35,160 Speaker 1: are looking for abortions in California. The Supreme Court Justice 28 00:01:35,240 --> 00:01:37,479 Speaker 1: is ruled in a five to four decision last week 29 00:01:37,600 --> 00:01:40,399 Speaker 1: in the National Institute of Family and Life Advocates or 30 00:01:40,600 --> 00:01:44,000 Speaker 1: n i f L a versus Bokra that fake clinics 31 00:01:44,000 --> 00:01:47,000 Speaker 1: were likely to prevail on their argument that the California 32 00:01:47,080 --> 00:01:49,680 Speaker 1: law violates the First Amendment. What's at stake is a 33 00:01:49,720 --> 00:01:53,400 Speaker 1: twenty law requiring that licensed centers disclosed to pregnant people 34 00:01:53,720 --> 00:01:57,880 Speaker 1: all other options, including abortions. So basically, you know, if 35 00:01:57,920 --> 00:02:00,280 Speaker 1: you walk into one of these centers, they leave eagally 36 00:02:00,680 --> 00:02:02,280 Speaker 1: might not have to tell you that abortion is an 37 00:02:02,320 --> 00:02:05,840 Speaker 1: option for you. And the Supreme Court basically said it 38 00:02:05,960 --> 00:02:09,080 Speaker 1: is a okay to mislead people in this way because 39 00:02:09,120 --> 00:02:13,880 Speaker 1: free speech right, because free speech. So this ruling overturns 40 00:02:13,880 --> 00:02:16,040 Speaker 1: the decision by the US Court of Appeals for the 41 00:02:16,160 --> 00:02:19,000 Speaker 1: Ninth Circuit and basically sends the case back to the court. 42 00:02:19,160 --> 00:02:22,600 Speaker 1: So it's not a good situation for you know, people 43 00:02:22,600 --> 00:02:25,919 Speaker 1: who are actually looking for real abortion services in the 44 00:02:26,000 --> 00:02:29,560 Speaker 1: United States. And it will have impacts nationally because now 45 00:02:29,600 --> 00:02:31,840 Speaker 1: that this case is on the books, other states can 46 00:02:31,840 --> 00:02:33,639 Speaker 1: go back and say, well, hey, can we lie to 47 00:02:33,680 --> 00:02:36,000 Speaker 1: people who need abortions? So it really does set kind 48 00:02:36,000 --> 00:02:39,400 Speaker 1: of a shocking precedent. Another big thing you may have heard, 49 00:02:40,000 --> 00:02:43,200 Speaker 1: Justice Kennedy just announced that he is retiring. I remember 50 00:02:43,240 --> 00:02:47,640 Speaker 1: that day when that happened. It was big news. Yeah, 51 00:02:47,919 --> 00:02:50,919 Speaker 1: not good not good news, not good news. Kennedy is 52 00:02:51,000 --> 00:02:54,480 Speaker 1: no progressive crusader, but inwo he was the fifth vote 53 00:02:54,480 --> 00:02:57,600 Speaker 1: in a ruling that reaffirmed ro versus Wade, the Supreme 54 00:02:57,600 --> 00:03:00,280 Speaker 1: Court ruling from nineteen seventy three that declared a portion 55 00:03:00,360 --> 00:03:03,720 Speaker 1: a constitutional right. In he played the same role in 56 00:03:03,720 --> 00:03:07,079 Speaker 1: striking down a Texas law that restricted access to abortion. 57 00:03:07,360 --> 00:03:10,240 Speaker 1: His retirement has their force sparked both hope and fear 58 00:03:10,280 --> 00:03:13,839 Speaker 1: that whoever replaces him will join the courts for conservative 59 00:03:13,880 --> 00:03:18,760 Speaker 1: justices to overturn Row along a professed aim of Republicans, 60 00:03:18,840 --> 00:03:21,480 Speaker 1: This would not ban abortion. Rather, it would allow states 61 00:03:21,480 --> 00:03:25,400 Speaker 1: to make their own abortion laws, but it would be momentous. 62 00:03:25,440 --> 00:03:28,600 Speaker 1: For one thing, abortion would immediately become illegal and forced 63 00:03:28,600 --> 00:03:32,960 Speaker 1: states that have trigger laws awaiting such a ruling Louisiana, Mississippi, 64 00:03:33,040 --> 00:03:35,760 Speaker 1: North Dakota, and South Dakota. So just to be clear, 65 00:03:35,880 --> 00:03:38,000 Speaker 1: if Roe v. Wade was overturned and you were in 66 00:03:38,000 --> 00:03:41,200 Speaker 1: one of those four states, it would be immediately overturned. 67 00:03:41,440 --> 00:03:43,040 Speaker 1: You wouldn't be able to have access to an abortion 68 00:03:43,080 --> 00:03:45,840 Speaker 1: in those states. Now, Trump has had a lot of 69 00:03:45,840 --> 00:03:48,560 Speaker 1: things about abortion rights. Because he's a liar, you can't 70 00:03:48,560 --> 00:03:50,400 Speaker 1: trust what he says, and I'll say one thing one day, 71 00:03:50,440 --> 00:03:53,200 Speaker 1: a different thing the next day. But he's been pretty 72 00:03:53,240 --> 00:03:55,440 Speaker 1: open about the fact that Roe v. Wade would not 73 00:03:55,480 --> 00:03:59,400 Speaker 1: be safe under his administration. He said that Row would 74 00:03:59,400 --> 00:04:03,120 Speaker 1: be quote automatically overturned should he be elected. And we 75 00:04:03,160 --> 00:04:06,720 Speaker 1: already know that Republicans have been super explicit and super 76 00:04:06,800 --> 00:04:08,920 Speaker 1: vocal about wanting to overturn Roe v. Wade in the 77 00:04:08,920 --> 00:04:12,320 Speaker 1: first place. And I have no reason to believe that 78 00:04:12,320 --> 00:04:16,719 Speaker 1: that would not be the case. Yeah, and his Trump scout, 79 00:04:16,760 --> 00:04:19,679 Speaker 1: his pick is Brett Kavanaugh, and Kavanaugh has not written 80 00:04:19,760 --> 00:04:22,880 Speaker 1: or commented on abortion in any great detail, But last October, 81 00:04:22,920 --> 00:04:25,400 Speaker 1: he took part in a high profile court fight involving 82 00:04:25,400 --> 00:04:28,760 Speaker 1: a pregnant undocumented teenager who wanted to obtain an abortion. 83 00:04:29,320 --> 00:04:32,280 Speaker 1: In the case of Garza versus Harrigan, the d C. 84 00:04:32,440 --> 00:04:35,800 Speaker 1: Circuit Court of Appeals held that an undocumented teenage immigrant 85 00:04:35,800 --> 00:04:38,960 Speaker 1: was entitled to obtain an abortion without having to obtain 86 00:04:39,040 --> 00:04:44,480 Speaker 1: familial consent, as is required in several states. Kavanaugh vigorously dissented, asking, quote, 87 00:04:44,760 --> 00:04:46,720 Speaker 1: is it really absurd for the United States to think 88 00:04:46,760 --> 00:04:49,560 Speaker 1: that the minor should be transferred to her immigration sponsor, 89 00:04:50,040 --> 00:04:52,880 Speaker 1: ordinarily a family member, relative, or friend before she makes 90 00:04:52,880 --> 00:04:56,440 Speaker 1: that decision. So we don't really know what Kavanall stands 91 00:04:56,560 --> 00:04:59,400 Speaker 1: on Roe v. Weight is, but his descent really does 92 00:04:59,400 --> 00:05:01,159 Speaker 1: not fill me with confidence that he is someone that 93 00:05:01,240 --> 00:05:05,000 Speaker 1: is going to protect reproductive health and freedom in this country. Um. 94 00:05:05,040 --> 00:05:09,839 Speaker 1: There's an interesting hearing where Chuck Schumer is interrogating him. First, 95 00:05:09,839 --> 00:05:12,360 Speaker 1: he says, if this were me, I would uphold the 96 00:05:12,440 --> 00:05:13,839 Speaker 1: law of the land, and the law of the land 97 00:05:13,920 --> 00:05:16,600 Speaker 1: is Roe v. Wade. But Schumer keeps pressing him and says, 98 00:05:17,160 --> 00:05:19,120 Speaker 1: so you're not going to answer the question, like what 99 00:05:19,160 --> 00:05:22,000 Speaker 1: do you think about Roe v. Wade? Which again just 100 00:05:22,120 --> 00:05:25,040 Speaker 1: leads me to think that he doesn't think very highly 101 00:05:25,080 --> 00:05:28,359 Speaker 1: of it. Yeah, it's very uncertain. So we'll do a 102 00:05:28,360 --> 00:05:30,320 Speaker 1: whole episode breaking this down. We wanted to give you 103 00:05:30,400 --> 00:05:37,160 Speaker 1: all a quick update in the Meantimekalla and welcome to 104 00:05:37,160 --> 00:05:40,360 Speaker 1: the podcast. This is Molly and I'm Kristin Kristen. Today 105 00:05:40,440 --> 00:05:43,680 Speaker 1: are our topic is abortion and you and I are 106 00:05:43,680 --> 00:05:47,760 Speaker 1: determined to make this politics free as possible, if you know, 107 00:05:48,320 --> 00:05:50,279 Speaker 1: may not be possible, but that's what we're gonna do. 108 00:05:50,279 --> 00:05:54,000 Speaker 1: We're gonna ignore current events for a moment and just 109 00:05:54,040 --> 00:05:56,800 Speaker 1: talk about what happens when you're in a doctor's office 110 00:05:57,120 --> 00:05:59,279 Speaker 1: to get an abortion. And to start things off, I 111 00:05:59,320 --> 00:06:04,000 Speaker 1: will I will tell a little lighthearted anecdote. Um, I'm 112 00:06:04,000 --> 00:06:06,720 Speaker 1: going to admit to googling myself. I think we all 113 00:06:06,760 --> 00:06:08,599 Speaker 1: do it every now and I do. You got you 114 00:06:08,600 --> 00:06:10,560 Speaker 1: gotta check up and see see what you gotta make 115 00:06:10,600 --> 00:06:14,000 Speaker 1: your No one's talking smack about you. So, UM, I 116 00:06:14,200 --> 00:06:17,600 Speaker 1: googled myself recently and at the bottom when it's related 117 00:06:17,640 --> 00:06:22,200 Speaker 1: searches to the search term Molly Edmonds abortion, Molly Edmonds 118 00:06:22,240 --> 00:06:25,640 Speaker 1: comes up and I was like what, But then I 119 00:06:25,640 --> 00:06:29,320 Speaker 1: remembered I wrote how abortion works for our site how 120 00:06:29,320 --> 00:06:33,400 Speaker 1: stuff works dot com. So apparently people who I don't 121 00:06:33,440 --> 00:06:34,920 Speaker 1: know if they're just looking for this article and they 122 00:06:34,920 --> 00:06:37,120 Speaker 1: know I wrote it, and so it goes abortion Molly Edmonds. 123 00:06:37,120 --> 00:06:41,360 Speaker 1: But it's a common search term apparently, And UM, I'm 124 00:06:41,360 --> 00:06:43,480 Speaker 1: happy to be associated with this article because I'm proud 125 00:06:43,520 --> 00:06:46,040 Speaker 1: of it. A lot of research went into it to 126 00:06:46,080 --> 00:06:49,159 Speaker 1: take out the politics. As we just mentioned, I wanted 127 00:06:49,160 --> 00:06:50,800 Speaker 1: it to be as straightforward as possible, and so that's 128 00:06:50,800 --> 00:06:53,880 Speaker 1: what we're going to present, a straightforward look at abortion 129 00:06:54,040 --> 00:06:58,040 Speaker 1: right because I would argue that the public is probably 130 00:06:58,080 --> 00:07:03,320 Speaker 1: more familiar with the political debate around abortion than they 131 00:07:03,320 --> 00:07:06,279 Speaker 1: are about the actual procedure. I think it's the most 132 00:07:06,279 --> 00:07:09,960 Speaker 1: common procedure that's not actually talked about. And in fact, 133 00:07:10,080 --> 00:07:11,760 Speaker 1: before we came in here, I was trying to find 134 00:07:11,760 --> 00:07:15,760 Speaker 1: more information about therapeutic abortion, which is when there's a 135 00:07:15,760 --> 00:07:18,440 Speaker 1: health reason for terminating a pregnancy, and it's very hard 136 00:07:18,440 --> 00:07:21,080 Speaker 1: to find any accounts of it. Um, you know, it's 137 00:07:21,120 --> 00:07:24,560 Speaker 1: just not talked about. And UM, we're gonna get behind 138 00:07:25,000 --> 00:07:29,240 Speaker 1: the arguments about pro life, pro choice however you want 139 00:07:29,240 --> 00:07:31,960 Speaker 1: to put it, and just talk about what happens when 140 00:07:31,960 --> 00:07:34,000 Speaker 1: you get an abortion, who's having them, why they're having them, 141 00:07:34,040 --> 00:07:36,080 Speaker 1: how they have them? Right, because we talked about planned 142 00:07:36,080 --> 00:07:40,400 Speaker 1: parenthood way back when, but in most people associately in 143 00:07:40,440 --> 00:07:44,360 Speaker 1: parenthood with birth control and abortion. So today we are 144 00:07:44,400 --> 00:07:49,160 Speaker 1: going to talk about really what happens. And here's the thing. 145 00:07:49,800 --> 00:07:54,360 Speaker 1: It happens a lot. Just to toss out some statistics 146 00:07:54,400 --> 00:07:58,640 Speaker 1: since we love statistics. UM. In the US alone, UM 147 00:07:58,840 --> 00:08:01,560 Speaker 1: half of the six million pregnancies that occur each year 148 00:08:01,640 --> 00:08:05,920 Speaker 1: are unplanned, and about one point three million of those 149 00:08:06,120 --> 00:08:11,280 Speaker 1: unplanned pregnancies and an abortion. And according to the Gootmaker Institute, 150 00:08:12,080 --> 00:08:15,880 Speaker 1: about one third of women in the US will have 151 00:08:15,920 --> 00:08:19,920 Speaker 1: an abortion by the age of forty one in three. 152 00:08:20,000 --> 00:08:23,440 Speaker 1: One in three pretty staggering, and worldwide, not just the US, 153 00:08:23,480 --> 00:08:27,160 Speaker 1: about two percent of all reproductive aged women have an 154 00:08:27,200 --> 00:08:42,000 Speaker 1: abortion each year. So what kind of woman is having 155 00:08:42,040 --> 00:08:44,839 Speaker 1: an abortion? According to the Gootmaker Institute in the US, 156 00:08:44,960 --> 00:08:48,320 Speaker 1: that woman is young Women who have an abortion the 157 00:08:48,360 --> 00:08:51,679 Speaker 1: U s are under the age of UH, more likely 158 00:08:51,720 --> 00:08:55,640 Speaker 1: to be unmarried than married, lower class. The abortion rate 159 00:08:55,679 --> 00:08:57,400 Speaker 1: for poor women is four times higher than that of 160 00:08:57,440 --> 00:09:00,720 Speaker 1: women living above the poverty line. UH. Woman who is 161 00:09:00,760 --> 00:09:03,760 Speaker 1: likely have abortion probably has at least one child already. 162 00:09:03,800 --> 00:09:07,640 Speaker 1: Six of abortions are performed on women who are already mothers, 163 00:09:08,800 --> 00:09:12,680 Speaker 1: and she reports not using contraceptives properly, if at all. 164 00:09:13,080 --> 00:09:18,120 Speaker 1: And it's pretty spread across UH racial demographics are attributed 165 00:09:18,160 --> 00:09:23,440 Speaker 1: to black women, to white women, to Hispanic women. And 166 00:09:23,880 --> 00:09:26,320 Speaker 1: here's the thing that um, I think it's important to 167 00:09:27,040 --> 00:09:30,520 Speaker 1: keep in mind, especially when we do, you know, outside 168 00:09:30,520 --> 00:09:32,880 Speaker 1: of the podcast, get talking about the politics involved in 169 00:09:32,920 --> 00:09:36,280 Speaker 1: all of this. Abortion is one of the most common 170 00:09:36,280 --> 00:09:40,320 Speaker 1: surgical procedures for women, and yet we are so uncomfortable 171 00:09:40,520 --> 00:09:43,199 Speaker 1: talking about what actually happens. And that's one of the 172 00:09:43,240 --> 00:09:45,120 Speaker 1: main reasons that Molly and I wanted to talk about 173 00:09:45,160 --> 00:09:47,680 Speaker 1: it today, because you don't think about that. We know 174 00:09:47,720 --> 00:09:51,199 Speaker 1: that abortion happens, but consider that one of the most 175 00:09:51,240 --> 00:09:55,560 Speaker 1: common surgical procedures for women, right and so if you're 176 00:09:55,720 --> 00:09:59,000 Speaker 1: let's say, you take a pregnancy test, you get it back, 177 00:09:59,440 --> 00:10:01,160 Speaker 1: you're pregnant, it you don't want to be, and you 178 00:10:01,240 --> 00:10:05,200 Speaker 1: decide to pursue an abortion, where you start looking a 179 00:10:05,280 --> 00:10:07,840 Speaker 1: local plan Parenthood, as we mentioned, is a great place 180 00:10:07,880 --> 00:10:10,600 Speaker 1: to start. A family planning clinic if there's not one 181 00:10:10,600 --> 00:10:12,480 Speaker 1: in your area, can contact just your O B D 182 00:10:12,679 --> 00:10:15,200 Speaker 1: Y in and ask for a referral or maybe she'll 183 00:10:15,200 --> 00:10:19,640 Speaker 1: do it. Midwives, nurse practitioners, they are licensed to do abortion, 184 00:10:19,760 --> 00:10:22,800 Speaker 1: so there's a wide variety of medical professionals that can 185 00:10:22,840 --> 00:10:26,600 Speaker 1: do it. The Gootmacher Institute estimates that the average amount 186 00:10:26,679 --> 00:10:29,000 Speaker 1: paid for an abortion in the United States is four 187 00:10:29,800 --> 00:10:33,920 Speaker 1: dollars and just note that first trimester abortions are less 188 00:10:33,960 --> 00:10:38,080 Speaker 1: expensive than second trimester abortions. There are two methods for 189 00:10:38,200 --> 00:10:41,720 Speaker 1: performing an abortion. You can have a medical abortion or 190 00:10:41,920 --> 00:10:46,079 Speaker 1: a surgical abortion. And in a medical abortion UH, you 191 00:10:46,160 --> 00:10:50,240 Speaker 1: take pills to expel the fetus from your body. You 192 00:10:50,320 --> 00:10:54,240 Speaker 1: take an abortive facient, which is an abortion inducing substance, 193 00:10:54,720 --> 00:10:58,360 Speaker 1: and the f d A approved UM. It's basically a 194 00:10:58,360 --> 00:11:01,920 Speaker 1: two part procedure where you go in first to a 195 00:11:01,960 --> 00:11:04,640 Speaker 1: clinic and you take UM six and or milligrams of 196 00:11:04,679 --> 00:11:10,000 Speaker 1: something called mitho pristone, which is followed by four micrograms 197 00:11:10,280 --> 00:11:12,679 Speaker 1: of mr prostal, which you can usually take in your 198 00:11:12,679 --> 00:11:14,680 Speaker 1: home if you elect to. And you might have heard 199 00:11:14,679 --> 00:11:18,560 Speaker 1: of mithophristone, as are you for eight six and it 200 00:11:18,720 --> 00:11:23,640 Speaker 1: blocks the hormone progesterone, which allows the uterine lining to 201 00:11:23,640 --> 00:11:26,600 Speaker 1: build up to support the embryo in the womb. So 202 00:11:26,720 --> 00:11:29,360 Speaker 1: basically when you take are You four eight six, it 203 00:11:29,480 --> 00:11:32,839 Speaker 1: causes that uterine lining to break down and bleeding similar 204 00:11:32,880 --> 00:11:37,240 Speaker 1: to a minstrel period will start to happen. And typically 205 00:11:37,400 --> 00:11:41,400 Speaker 1: you will take that first dosage at a doctor's office, 206 00:11:42,120 --> 00:11:45,160 Speaker 1: and then a few days later at your home or 207 00:11:45,200 --> 00:11:48,200 Speaker 1: in a doctor's office, you take that second half, which 208 00:11:48,200 --> 00:11:51,160 Speaker 1: is actually what expels the fetus in a process very 209 00:11:51,160 --> 00:11:54,200 Speaker 1: similar to a miscarriage. It feels very similar in terms 210 00:11:54,240 --> 00:11:58,679 Speaker 1: of the cramping, nausea, and the bleeding obviously is very 211 00:11:58,720 --> 00:12:02,440 Speaker 1: similar so UM and also something I learned after I 212 00:12:02,440 --> 00:12:05,960 Speaker 1: wroth this articles, they usually have you take a suppository 213 00:12:06,240 --> 00:12:11,360 Speaker 1: of a sedative to deal with that that cramping and 214 00:12:11,600 --> 00:12:15,679 Speaker 1: pain UM and then the leading can occur for up 215 00:12:15,720 --> 00:12:20,439 Speaker 1: to two weeks. But this type of abortion is effective 216 00:12:20,480 --> 00:12:22,920 Speaker 1: to nine percent of time when it's done in the 217 00:12:23,000 --> 00:12:25,360 Speaker 1: first nine weeks of pregnancy. So there is a window 218 00:12:25,840 --> 00:12:28,760 Speaker 1: after which a medical abortion will not work right, and 219 00:12:28,760 --> 00:12:31,280 Speaker 1: it's usually around that ninth week, and it's at that 220 00:12:31,360 --> 00:12:35,719 Speaker 1: time that you will probably opt for a surgical abortion, 221 00:12:36,280 --> 00:12:39,559 Speaker 1: and one of the most common types of surgical abortions 222 00:12:39,600 --> 00:12:44,040 Speaker 1: would be a vacuum extraction abortion, and this is actually 223 00:12:44,120 --> 00:12:46,839 Speaker 1: the most common method is a vacuum extraction, and it 224 00:12:46,880 --> 00:12:51,480 Speaker 1: can be performed for twelve weeks after a woman's last period, 225 00:12:51,520 --> 00:12:54,840 Speaker 1: and it can happen either with the fetus being extracted 226 00:12:54,840 --> 00:12:59,200 Speaker 1: either manually or with a handheld suction device or with 227 00:12:59,240 --> 00:13:03,800 Speaker 1: an actual machine vacuum and UM. The manual vacuum extraction 228 00:13:03,880 --> 00:13:06,600 Speaker 1: is UM one of was one of the earliest surgical 229 00:13:06,600 --> 00:13:10,600 Speaker 1: options available to women. And basically you go and it's 230 00:13:10,679 --> 00:13:15,200 Speaker 1: it's not that much unlike a gynecological exam where um, 231 00:13:15,320 --> 00:13:18,360 Speaker 1: you sit in the chair, you're in the stirrups um, 232 00:13:18,720 --> 00:13:21,360 Speaker 1: you will be a speculum will be inserted into a 233 00:13:21,360 --> 00:13:24,840 Speaker 1: woman's vagina um, the cervix might have to be slightly numbed, 234 00:13:25,200 --> 00:13:27,880 Speaker 1: and then the um. The doctor will insert a tube 235 00:13:27,880 --> 00:13:30,360 Speaker 1: through the cervix and into the uterus and then apply 236 00:13:30,640 --> 00:13:33,480 Speaker 1: um section with a special handheld device to extract the 237 00:13:33,520 --> 00:13:37,240 Speaker 1: contents of the uterus. And it only takes a few minutes, right, 238 00:13:37,280 --> 00:13:39,280 Speaker 1: And you know, we found a few blogs on the 239 00:13:39,280 --> 00:13:41,840 Speaker 1: Internet of women who have had abortion, so we're sharing 240 00:13:41,840 --> 00:13:44,960 Speaker 1: their experiences and these are very rare, usually because the 241 00:13:45,000 --> 00:13:47,400 Speaker 1: politics will enter into it. But I did want to 242 00:13:47,440 --> 00:13:50,600 Speaker 1: read a description from an abortion blog of what this 243 00:13:50,679 --> 00:13:54,120 Speaker 1: process feels like a manual vacuum extraction, and this is 244 00:13:54,160 --> 00:13:57,199 Speaker 1: from my abortion blog dot tumbler dot com, and I'm 245 00:13:57,240 --> 00:14:01,480 Speaker 1: just gonna read verbatim what she wrote and before Molly starts, 246 00:14:01,520 --> 00:14:06,000 Speaker 1: ID want to provide a trigger warning for listeners out there, 247 00:14:06,240 --> 00:14:10,800 Speaker 1: since this is a pretty graphic account of what happens. 248 00:14:11,920 --> 00:14:14,080 Speaker 1: The doctrine started the speculum and then wiped my servits 249 00:14:14,120 --> 00:14:16,560 Speaker 1: clean with an antibiotic. She then topically numbed it a 250 00:14:16,559 --> 00:14:19,640 Speaker 1: bit and followed that up with an anesthesic injection. This 251 00:14:19,680 --> 00:14:22,560 Speaker 1: felt like a tiny little poke and was mostly just uncomfortable, 252 00:14:22,760 --> 00:14:25,480 Speaker 1: no less odd feeling than a regular pap smear. The 253 00:14:25,480 --> 00:14:27,160 Speaker 1: weird part was that I got a little woozy and 254 00:14:27,200 --> 00:14:30,880 Speaker 1: dizzy seconds after the shot because the anesthetic entered my bloodstream. 255 00:14:30,920 --> 00:14:33,680 Speaker 1: She talked me through this, but I actually liked the feeling. Next, 256 00:14:33,720 --> 00:14:36,080 Speaker 1: she dilated my servix, but I didn't really feel much 257 00:14:36,120 --> 00:14:38,080 Speaker 1: more than a bit of pressure. She then inserted a 258 00:14:38,120 --> 00:14:40,120 Speaker 1: hose about the diameter of a pen, and again I 259 00:14:40,160 --> 00:14:42,400 Speaker 1: felt a bit of pressure. I could feel once the 260 00:14:42,440 --> 00:14:45,240 Speaker 1: procedure started, because I started getting some cramps about the 261 00:14:45,280 --> 00:14:47,960 Speaker 1: same as I would during a period. They continued. As 262 00:14:47,960 --> 00:14:51,240 Speaker 1: she continued the aspiration, there was also slight tugging feeling 263 00:14:51,240 --> 00:14:53,560 Speaker 1: from the inside that was kind of odd. I kept 264 00:14:53,560 --> 00:14:55,200 Speaker 1: my hand on my belly the entire time. I could 265 00:14:55,240 --> 00:14:57,720 Speaker 1: feel my uterus tugging from the inside, like my belly 266 00:14:57,800 --> 00:15:00,760 Speaker 1: was actually rising and falling. The cramped and continued, but 267 00:15:00,800 --> 00:15:02,880 Speaker 1: it was no worse than when I got from my period. 268 00:15:03,280 --> 00:15:05,240 Speaker 1: At the very end, the cramping got really bad, but 269 00:15:05,280 --> 00:15:07,560 Speaker 1: which she said was normal because it meant the uterus 270 00:15:07,600 --> 00:15:11,000 Speaker 1: was contracting back to its normal size. I think the 271 00:15:11,040 --> 00:15:13,880 Speaker 1: worst part was probably the five or some minutes after afterwards, 272 00:15:13,880 --> 00:15:16,520 Speaker 1: when the cramping got intense and the nausea struck. I 273 00:15:16,680 --> 00:15:19,000 Speaker 1: started sweating a bit, and my boyfriend held my hand 274 00:15:19,080 --> 00:15:20,840 Speaker 1: tightly and kept a bucket in his hand in case 275 00:15:20,880 --> 00:15:23,360 Speaker 1: I needed to throw up. The cramps are uncomfortable, like 276 00:15:23,360 --> 00:15:26,040 Speaker 1: a combination of period and bathroom cramps at the same time, 277 00:15:26,440 --> 00:15:27,920 Speaker 1: and for a second I felt they would never go 278 00:15:27,960 --> 00:15:29,720 Speaker 1: away and I would be curled up in that room forever. 279 00:15:30,080 --> 00:15:33,120 Speaker 1: But they actually less than quickly and soon all but disappeared. 280 00:15:34,080 --> 00:15:37,440 Speaker 1: So that's one person's first person account of having an abortion. 281 00:15:37,600 --> 00:15:41,840 Speaker 1: So that was an example of a manual vacuum extraction, 282 00:15:42,840 --> 00:15:47,960 Speaker 1: but women can also have a machine vacuum extraction extraction, 283 00:15:48,240 --> 00:15:51,320 Speaker 1: and the process is slightly more intensive since the woman's 284 00:15:51,320 --> 00:15:53,760 Speaker 1: cervix will need to be dilated and that's going to 285 00:15:53,880 --> 00:15:57,920 Speaker 1: happen either through absorbent dilators inserted a day beforehand or 286 00:15:58,000 --> 00:16:01,960 Speaker 1: by inserting rods that gradually recent size on the day 287 00:16:02,000 --> 00:16:05,400 Speaker 1: of the procedure. And the rest of the abortion procedure 288 00:16:05,680 --> 00:16:09,400 Speaker 1: is very similar to manual extraction, except a machine is 289 00:16:09,440 --> 00:16:12,520 Speaker 1: going to apply the suction that pulls out the uterine 290 00:16:12,520 --> 00:16:16,680 Speaker 1: contents through the tube. And then sometimes after completing the 291 00:16:16,760 --> 00:16:20,280 Speaker 1: vacuum extraction, UH, the doctor will need to use a 292 00:16:20,280 --> 00:16:24,760 Speaker 1: curette to scrape the remaining fetal tissue from the uterus, right, 293 00:16:24,760 --> 00:16:27,160 Speaker 1: And a cure is a long, thin instrument with a 294 00:16:27,320 --> 00:16:29,520 Speaker 1: kind of a serrated spirit end that's the part that 295 00:16:29,520 --> 00:16:32,800 Speaker 1: actually does the scraping. And when the cura is brought in, 296 00:16:33,240 --> 00:16:35,680 Speaker 1: the procedure might be called a d n C and 297 00:16:35,920 --> 00:16:38,080 Speaker 1: UH this is you might also have a DNC just 298 00:16:38,240 --> 00:16:41,760 Speaker 1: at a gynecological exam if you've got some sort of 299 00:16:41,920 --> 00:16:45,320 Speaker 1: vaginal bleeding, if there's something going on up there. Um 300 00:16:45,360 --> 00:16:49,360 Speaker 1: and These extractions can usually reformed up to sixteen weeks 301 00:16:49,400 --> 00:16:52,000 Speaker 1: after women's last period, when they bring the curet in 302 00:16:52,080 --> 00:16:54,680 Speaker 1: to help scrape. So now we're at sixteen weeks after 303 00:16:54,720 --> 00:16:58,560 Speaker 1: a period extraction and then a curet. Now once we 304 00:16:59,440 --> 00:17:02,800 Speaker 1: hit the sixteen week part, abortions that take place after 305 00:17:02,920 --> 00:17:06,520 Speaker 1: that are really the most controversial. These are performed with 306 00:17:06,520 --> 00:17:11,840 Speaker 1: a method known as dilation and evacuation. And uh, this method, 307 00:17:11,880 --> 00:17:13,879 Speaker 1: again like to to provide a little bit of a 308 00:17:13,880 --> 00:17:17,879 Speaker 1: trigger warning, is a little more um intensive than the 309 00:17:17,960 --> 00:17:32,000 Speaker 1: vacuum extraction methods. And I think it's natural that it 310 00:17:32,200 --> 00:17:34,280 Speaker 1: has to be a little more intensive because we're past 311 00:17:34,320 --> 00:17:37,399 Speaker 1: sixteen weeks, we're in the second trimester. Uh, the fetus 312 00:17:37,440 --> 00:17:40,280 Speaker 1: is a little bit more developed, but still not viable 313 00:17:40,359 --> 00:17:42,359 Speaker 1: outside the womb. It can't live outside the woom on 314 00:17:42,400 --> 00:17:45,280 Speaker 1: its own according to medical definition. So I'm gonna go 315 00:17:45,320 --> 00:17:48,760 Speaker 1: ahead and read the definition of the dilation and evacuation. 316 00:17:49,320 --> 00:17:51,240 Speaker 1: What they have to do is they have to administer 317 00:17:51,280 --> 00:17:54,280 Speaker 1: a shot to the fetus through abdominal tissue to ensure 318 00:17:54,320 --> 00:17:57,280 Speaker 1: that the fetus is dead. Uh, they give medication to 319 00:17:57,320 --> 00:17:59,840 Speaker 1: the woman and as with the other methods that Kristen 320 00:17:59,880 --> 00:18:02,840 Speaker 1: to tribe. They have to stretch the cervix through rods 321 00:18:03,000 --> 00:18:07,200 Speaker 1: or through um dialators. The fetal tissue is then extracted 322 00:18:07,320 --> 00:18:10,080 Speaker 1: to the degree possible with the vacuum that we mentioned 323 00:18:10,119 --> 00:18:14,040 Speaker 1: in those first trimester abortions. But then because the fetis 324 00:18:14,080 --> 00:18:16,840 Speaker 1: has developed it's a little bit larger, they might have 325 00:18:16,920 --> 00:18:20,680 Speaker 1: to insert forceps into the vagina and crush the fetus's 326 00:18:20,680 --> 00:18:22,639 Speaker 1: head to bring it out, or to break down the 327 00:18:22,680 --> 00:18:25,879 Speaker 1: fetus so that it can be removed. And you know, 328 00:18:25,960 --> 00:18:29,240 Speaker 1: the doctors who pioneered this concept said they were looking 329 00:18:29,240 --> 00:18:31,960 Speaker 1: for a way to perform second trimester abortions that could 330 00:18:32,000 --> 00:18:37,560 Speaker 1: be done in a one day in and out outpatient procedure. 331 00:18:37,640 --> 00:18:41,199 Speaker 1: So it's a way to abort a fetus in a 332 00:18:41,240 --> 00:18:43,800 Speaker 1: way that that still allows a woman to kind of 333 00:18:43,840 --> 00:18:45,720 Speaker 1: leave of her own volition at the end of the day. 334 00:18:45,840 --> 00:18:48,280 Speaker 1: And these are I think we should mention that these 335 00:18:48,320 --> 00:18:51,800 Speaker 1: make up a very very small um proportion of all 336 00:18:51,920 --> 00:18:55,680 Speaker 1: the abortion procedures that happen every year. That what was 337 00:18:55,720 --> 00:18:58,360 Speaker 1: at one point three million abortions that happened every year 338 00:18:58,400 --> 00:19:00,680 Speaker 1: in the United States, and a lot of time uh 339 00:19:00,800 --> 00:19:04,600 Speaker 1: dilation and evacuation abortions happened in the case of therapeutic 340 00:19:04,640 --> 00:19:08,960 Speaker 1: abortions where the mother's life might be at risk carrying 341 00:19:08,960 --> 00:19:12,880 Speaker 1: the pregnancy to term. Now, one last type of abortion 342 00:19:13,320 --> 00:19:16,159 Speaker 1: procedure that we need to talk about is certainly the 343 00:19:16,160 --> 00:19:19,320 Speaker 1: most controversial. It's called dilation and extraction method and you've 344 00:19:19,359 --> 00:19:23,240 Speaker 1: probably heard of it as partial birth abortion. Right. This 345 00:19:23,280 --> 00:19:26,399 Speaker 1: is when the fetus is partially delivered vaginally, uh in 346 00:19:26,440 --> 00:19:29,320 Speaker 1: a breach position, and when they have the fetus, you know, 347 00:19:29,440 --> 00:19:31,520 Speaker 1: a little bit out of the way, they'll make up 348 00:19:31,840 --> 00:19:33,520 Speaker 1: out of the way of the woman. They'll make a 349 00:19:33,560 --> 00:19:36,240 Speaker 1: hole in the base of the fetal skull, insert tubing 350 00:19:36,280 --> 00:19:39,800 Speaker 1: and use suction to pull out the brain of the fetus. UH. 351 00:19:39,840 --> 00:19:42,040 Speaker 1: This is so that the fetuses skull will collapse in 352 00:19:42,119 --> 00:19:46,480 Speaker 1: the fetus can be fully expelled. And as Kristen said, 353 00:19:46,520 --> 00:19:49,080 Speaker 1: this this method is pretty controversial. It's been banned in 354 00:19:49,080 --> 00:19:51,760 Speaker 1: the United States except in the case of protecting a 355 00:19:51,800 --> 00:19:55,240 Speaker 1: woman's health. Um, perhaps you might have an unaffected uterus 356 00:19:55,359 --> 00:19:59,119 Speaker 1: or hard condition that makes it impossible to continue the pregnancy. Now, 357 00:19:59,160 --> 00:20:03,000 Speaker 1: as kristin, Cindy's are extremely rare, the Gootmocker Institute estimates 358 00:20:03,040 --> 00:20:06,320 Speaker 1: that this makes up point to percent of all abortions 359 00:20:06,320 --> 00:20:09,879 Speaker 1: in the United States. UM, So that's that's sort of 360 00:20:09,920 --> 00:20:12,919 Speaker 1: the range that they can go. We've gone from taking 361 00:20:12,920 --> 00:20:16,040 Speaker 1: a pill and having a process very similar to a miscarriage, 362 00:20:16,040 --> 00:20:19,400 Speaker 1: all the way up to dilation and extraction, where we're 363 00:20:19,400 --> 00:20:23,040 Speaker 1: pulling out the fetus. Again, it's not medically viable at 364 00:20:23,040 --> 00:20:26,359 Speaker 1: this point, can't live outside of the womb. But you know, 365 00:20:26,400 --> 00:20:28,520 Speaker 1: then that's where the politics gets into it that we're 366 00:20:28,520 --> 00:20:30,840 Speaker 1: going to skip in that. You know, is this a 367 00:20:30,920 --> 00:20:34,280 Speaker 1: person yet is it not. That's not our argument today. 368 00:20:34,320 --> 00:20:37,520 Speaker 1: We'll let you guys battle that out. But those that's 369 00:20:37,560 --> 00:20:40,880 Speaker 1: the range of abortion procedures that can take place. And 370 00:20:40,960 --> 00:20:44,840 Speaker 1: even though the procedures that we've described sound very unpleasant, 371 00:20:44,920 --> 00:20:48,159 Speaker 1: I'm sure to our listeners, one thing to keep in 372 00:20:48,200 --> 00:20:53,040 Speaker 1: mind is that while possibly unpleasant, they are generally very 373 00:20:53,160 --> 00:20:56,439 Speaker 1: very safe. Um. In fact, a woman has eleven times 374 00:20:56,480 --> 00:20:59,119 Speaker 1: the chance of dying in childbirth as she does of 375 00:20:59,200 --> 00:21:03,240 Speaker 1: dying from an abortion performed in the first twenty weeks 376 00:21:03,280 --> 00:21:06,400 Speaker 1: of pregnancy. Now, after an abortion, regardless of the type 377 00:21:06,440 --> 00:21:09,040 Speaker 1: of abortion performed, women are kept in a recovery room 378 00:21:09,080 --> 00:21:11,560 Speaker 1: for a few hours, and then they usually go home, 379 00:21:11,560 --> 00:21:14,360 Speaker 1: where they'll continue to bleed um. They may have really 380 00:21:14,520 --> 00:21:17,000 Speaker 1: large blood clots, but a sign of a complication is 381 00:21:17,000 --> 00:21:20,560 Speaker 1: when the blood clots get larger than a lemon um. 382 00:21:20,600 --> 00:21:22,600 Speaker 1: But you know, you might have some fairly sizeable blood 383 00:21:22,600 --> 00:21:24,960 Speaker 1: clots for a few days. You can some women go 384 00:21:25,000 --> 00:21:27,000 Speaker 1: back to work the same day or the day after. 385 00:21:27,280 --> 00:21:29,960 Speaker 1: Some women go back to class very shortly after. But 386 00:21:30,320 --> 00:21:33,280 Speaker 1: the two things you can't do though our strenuous exercise 387 00:21:33,520 --> 00:21:36,920 Speaker 1: and putting anything in your vagina which ranges from a 388 00:21:37,040 --> 00:21:41,879 Speaker 1: tampon to sexual intercourse that would involve vaginal penetration. So um, 389 00:21:41,960 --> 00:21:45,160 Speaker 1: the vagina has to heal from this. Nothing nothing can 390 00:21:45,160 --> 00:21:48,720 Speaker 1: go up there. But speaking of intercourse and vaginal healing, 391 00:21:48,760 --> 00:21:52,520 Speaker 1: abortion does not affect future fertility. And I think that's 392 00:21:52,600 --> 00:21:55,840 Speaker 1: one one common misconception that we need to um that 393 00:21:55,920 --> 00:21:57,320 Speaker 1: we need to clear up that if you if a 394 00:21:57,359 --> 00:22:01,080 Speaker 1: woman has an abortion, it typically doesn't know harm her 395 00:22:01,200 --> 00:22:05,119 Speaker 1: chances of having a child later. And another thing that 396 00:22:05,160 --> 00:22:07,159 Speaker 1: has been linked with abortion is a higher rate of 397 00:22:07,160 --> 00:22:10,440 Speaker 1: breast cancer. But some researchers are concerned that the studies 398 00:22:10,480 --> 00:22:14,159 Speaker 1: that link higher rate of breast cancer to abortion maybe 399 00:22:14,200 --> 00:22:17,520 Speaker 1: because the women who have breast cancer are so desperate 400 00:22:17,600 --> 00:22:19,639 Speaker 1: to find out why they have it that they'll admit 401 00:22:19,680 --> 00:22:22,200 Speaker 1: to an abortion, whereas women who don't have breast cancer 402 00:22:22,280 --> 00:22:25,240 Speaker 1: may not admit to an abortion. Uh to a researcher 403 00:22:25,280 --> 00:22:28,040 Speaker 1: that they don't know, so they haven't really drawn a 404 00:22:28,080 --> 00:22:31,679 Speaker 1: conclusive link. In fact, another study and from two thousand seven, 405 00:22:31,720 --> 00:22:33,720 Speaker 1: it followed a control group of women who didn't have 406 00:22:33,760 --> 00:22:36,800 Speaker 1: abortions against a group of woman that did, knowing out 407 00:22:36,800 --> 00:22:39,080 Speaker 1: from the front how everyone had had scored on the 408 00:22:39,119 --> 00:22:42,080 Speaker 1: abortion card and the incidents of breast cancer was about 409 00:22:42,119 --> 00:22:45,360 Speaker 1: the same. So uh, that's right, doesn't affect future utility, 410 00:22:45,400 --> 00:22:49,280 Speaker 1: probably doesn't affect breast cancer. One aspect of abortion recovery 411 00:22:49,760 --> 00:22:53,480 Speaker 1: that often comes up in these politicized debates that we 412 00:22:53,560 --> 00:22:57,639 Speaker 1: do need to address is the mental health of the 413 00:22:57,720 --> 00:23:00,520 Speaker 1: woman involved. Because a lot of times you might hear 414 00:23:01,119 --> 00:23:05,840 Speaker 1: about post abortion syndrome, essentially that after a woman has 415 00:23:05,840 --> 00:23:08,960 Speaker 1: an abortion, she is going to suffer from massive anxiety 416 00:23:08,960 --> 00:23:15,240 Speaker 1: and depression and guilt over terminating a fetus, terminating a pregnancy. UM. 417 00:23:15,400 --> 00:23:18,040 Speaker 1: But we need to remember that it is not recognized 418 00:23:18,040 --> 00:23:21,960 Speaker 1: by any medical or psychological association. And in fact, um 419 00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:25,280 Speaker 1: a study that just came out in January UM from 420 00:23:25,320 --> 00:23:29,640 Speaker 1: a group of Danish researchers comparing um mental health effects 421 00:23:29,720 --> 00:23:34,640 Speaker 1: post abortion and then post childbirth actually finds that just 422 00:23:34,760 --> 00:23:39,160 Speaker 1: like with childbirth, you know, you can't um you can't 423 00:23:39,200 --> 00:23:42,560 Speaker 1: predict the mental health effects of either carrying a child 424 00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:46,919 Speaker 1: to term or terminating a pregnancy right. In fact, proportion wise, 425 00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:51,000 Speaker 1: the women who sought treatment for psychiatric counseling after an 426 00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:53,400 Speaker 1: abortion it was about the same as the rate of 427 00:23:53,440 --> 00:23:56,040 Speaker 1: a woman who had sought treatment before. Before and after 428 00:23:56,119 --> 00:23:58,000 Speaker 1: was pretty much the same, And some doctors say that's 429 00:23:58,000 --> 00:24:00,679 Speaker 1: because women who get abortions made be more likely to 430 00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:03,480 Speaker 1: have other factors in their life that they need counseling about. 431 00:24:03,520 --> 00:24:06,440 Speaker 1: They couldn't draw any sort of uh line between the 432 00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:09,560 Speaker 1: abortion and the counseling, whereas the proportion of women who 433 00:24:09,560 --> 00:24:13,640 Speaker 1: needed counseling after having the child was much higher compared 434 00:24:13,680 --> 00:24:15,160 Speaker 1: to the rate of women in that group who would 435 00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:18,440 Speaker 1: need the counseling before. And obviously there are all sorts 436 00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:21,440 Speaker 1: of things that can go on. You're sleepless, there's postprimed depression, 437 00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:23,679 Speaker 1: it's a lot of stress to have a newborn in 438 00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:26,000 Speaker 1: your life. So they're saying that, you know, in terms 439 00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:30,040 Speaker 1: of actual mental stress, it's possible that the actual child 440 00:24:30,160 --> 00:24:33,879 Speaker 1: might do more for you than than uh than getting here, 441 00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:36,560 Speaker 1: than terminating the pregnancy. And we're certainly not sitting here 442 00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:41,040 Speaker 1: saying that abortion is better for your mental health and 443 00:24:41,320 --> 00:24:45,800 Speaker 1: carrying a pregnancy to term um. But we're just trying 444 00:24:45,840 --> 00:24:49,160 Speaker 1: to make the point that you have to consider each 445 00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:52,240 Speaker 1: on a case by case basis. You cannot make any 446 00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:55,200 Speaker 1: kind of blanket judgment on the mental health of all 447 00:24:55,280 --> 00:24:59,640 Speaker 1: women who become pregnant and based on what they choose 448 00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:02,239 Speaker 1: to do. Right now, Molly, we have gone through this 449 00:25:02,560 --> 00:25:07,440 Speaker 1: entire abortion podcast without mentioning the two names probably best 450 00:25:08,119 --> 00:25:10,399 Speaker 1: was closely associated with it, and that would be Row 451 00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:12,960 Speaker 1: and that would be Wade, because we're trying to keep 452 00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:18,360 Speaker 1: this conversation a political and those names are so charged politically. Yeah, 453 00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:20,719 Speaker 1: if there's one. If if you had to walk down 454 00:25:20,760 --> 00:25:24,440 Speaker 1: the street and ask anyone of to name one Supreme 455 00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:27,080 Speaker 1: Court case in the US, it might be that song. 456 00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:29,520 Speaker 1: It would Roe v. Wade would probably come up more 457 00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:32,080 Speaker 1: than any other. I don't know of a of a 458 00:25:32,119 --> 00:25:36,280 Speaker 1: more controversial court case that It happened in nineteen seventy 459 00:25:36,280 --> 00:25:39,960 Speaker 1: three and established that any legal restriction to an abortion 460 00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:44,440 Speaker 1: violated the right of privacy guaranteed by the fourteenth Amendment, 461 00:25:44,840 --> 00:25:47,160 Speaker 1: So that established that the decision to perform an abortion 462 00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:49,160 Speaker 1: was up to a woman and her doctor and there 463 00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:52,440 Speaker 1: should be no government interference. But the reason we bring 464 00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:55,320 Speaker 1: Roe v. Wade up, which deserves a podcast all its own, 465 00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:57,960 Speaker 1: is um just to talk a little bit about the 466 00:25:58,080 --> 00:26:02,280 Speaker 1: history of abortion and it's legality through time. And you know, 467 00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:04,560 Speaker 1: you'll always find people who say that, you know, even 468 00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:07,920 Speaker 1: from the ancient days, people were finding herbs and mixtures 469 00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:11,679 Speaker 1: that they could use to uh induce an abortion. They 470 00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:15,359 Speaker 1: might beat themselves violently in the abdominal region. And in fact, 471 00:26:15,359 --> 00:26:17,520 Speaker 1: some of the first laws that criminalized abortion were meant 472 00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:20,720 Speaker 1: to protect women from doing this rather than to protect 473 00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:23,359 Speaker 1: a fetus from termination, because too many women were dying 474 00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:27,280 Speaker 1: from taking poisons to bring on an abortion. And one 475 00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:29,280 Speaker 1: thing that we should bring up, and in terms of 476 00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:33,640 Speaker 1: statistics in the United States before Roe v. Wade, an 477 00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:38,119 Speaker 1: estimated one point two million abortions were taking place in 478 00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:41,880 Speaker 1: back alleys and in you know, hidden clinics and things 479 00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:45,800 Speaker 1: like that, and today or even in some real clinics 480 00:26:45,880 --> 00:26:48,720 Speaker 1: because you know, money, money can open a lot of doors. 481 00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:50,800 Speaker 1: So you know, there were some doctors who are performing 482 00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:53,880 Speaker 1: abortions I legal just because someone could pay. And speaking 483 00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:56,320 Speaker 1: of money, I think that one one of the most 484 00:26:56,359 --> 00:27:00,760 Speaker 1: interesting findings that you reveal in your article abortion Molly 485 00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:05,080 Speaker 1: is that doctors did have economic motivations for advocating against 486 00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:08,760 Speaker 1: abortion because they lost a significant amount of income to 487 00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:12,280 Speaker 1: midwives and private people who would perform abortions, and as 488 00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:16,080 Speaker 1: a result, the American Medical Association served as one of 489 00:27:16,119 --> 00:27:20,800 Speaker 1: the main legal lobbies against abortions legalizing abortion. That was 490 00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:22,840 Speaker 1: really interesting finding I found in a book. And of course, 491 00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:26,560 Speaker 1: as always, will put all our sources up on our blog. UM, 492 00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:30,080 Speaker 1: but right now, abortion is a legal procedure and you know, 493 00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:32,560 Speaker 1: its status of remaining so is up to the political 494 00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:34,320 Speaker 1: debate that we're not going to touch right now. But 495 00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:37,000 Speaker 1: we hope that in sort of just talking about the 496 00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:40,359 Speaker 1: procedure behind the politics, that you understand this procedure a 497 00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:43,160 Speaker 1: little bit more. UM. You know, like we said, one 498 00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:45,800 Speaker 1: in three women have had an abortion or we'll have 499 00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:48,359 Speaker 1: an abortion, So we know that our listeners out there 500 00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:50,879 Speaker 1: who probably have UM. As always, you can share our 501 00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:53,240 Speaker 1: stories or you cannot share your stories. This is obviously 502 00:27:53,280 --> 00:27:55,520 Speaker 1: a touchy subject. Some people don't want to talk about it. 503 00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:57,480 Speaker 1: Some people are eager to shout it from the rooftops, 504 00:27:57,520 --> 00:28:00,360 Speaker 1: like with these blogs. Um, and sometimes is that can 505 00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:02,639 Speaker 1: be helpful because, as we said, when you google it, 506 00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:05,280 Speaker 1: there's not a lot that comes up because it is 507 00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:08,080 Speaker 1: so to have taboo, so political, and I think that 508 00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:13,440 Speaker 1: both sides of the political argument would benefit from a clear, 509 00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:16,719 Speaker 1: more honest understanding of an abortion procedure. We all need 510 00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:19,760 Speaker 1: to be educated about it because, once again, Molly, it 511 00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:22,879 Speaker 1: is one of the most common surgical procedures that women 512 00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:26,480 Speaker 1: undergo in the United States exactly. So, UM, we welcome 513 00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:29,679 Speaker 1: your comments. Uh. The email addresses mom Stuff at how 514 00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:31,639 Speaker 1: stuff works dot com. It will be interesting to see 515 00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:35,359 Speaker 1: if the comments turn more political than we allowed the 516 00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:37,119 Speaker 1: podcast to be. Maybe you guys will pick up on 517 00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:39,640 Speaker 1: places where we failed in our ability to be a 518 00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:42,000 Speaker 1: political Let us know about that, and in the meantime, 519 00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:49,280 Speaker 1: let us read some emails. Well, I have an email 520 00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:51,840 Speaker 1: here from Megan and this is in response to our 521 00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:56,160 Speaker 1: podcast on why women tend to be colder than men, 522 00:28:56,720 --> 00:28:59,920 Speaker 1: and she writes, I just transferred to a cubicle workspace 523 00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:03,120 Speaker 1: and for whatever reason, I can't always anticipate my temperature. 524 00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:07,640 Speaker 1: My tips number one layers, especially cardigans, because they're so 525 00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:10,680 Speaker 1: easy to adjust on, button up and down, sleeves, take 526 00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:14,640 Speaker 1: on and off, etcetera. Number two scarves. These deserve their 527 00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:17,600 Speaker 1: own mention, mostly because they make a huge difference if 528 00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:21,440 Speaker 1: you haven't layered enough. Number three fingerless gloves. Megan, you 529 00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:24,000 Speaker 1: must be in a cold office if you are advocating 530 00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:26,920 Speaker 1: fingerless gloves. Um. She says that they are a lifesaver. 531 00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:30,480 Speaker 1: And then for of course warm liquids, coffee, tea, cocoa, 532 00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:33,680 Speaker 1: even water. Megan. I'm just imagining you, you know, like 533 00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:37,080 Speaker 1: huddled huddled over your laptop with fingerless gloves and just 534 00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:39,800 Speaker 1: a couple of hot water. Megan, I have been there too. 535 00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:42,800 Speaker 1: Don't let Kristen Kristin put this down. I just said 536 00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:46,200 Speaker 1: that must be really cold office. But she says, on 537 00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:49,560 Speaker 1: the plus side, it's almost March, which means springs coming. 538 00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:52,160 Speaker 1: Well except for office is like ours would turn the 539 00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:54,760 Speaker 1: air a c way up in the summer just as cold. 540 00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:56,480 Speaker 1: But then we just in the sunny spots would just 541 00:29:56,480 --> 00:29:59,520 Speaker 1: go outside. Molly, let me try. I have another email 542 00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:02,280 Speaker 1: from the same podcast about women running colder than men, 543 00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:04,720 Speaker 1: and this is from Kristen. She writes, I noticed that 544 00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:07,200 Speaker 1: when I've been lifting weights a lot i eat gaining muscle, 545 00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:09,240 Speaker 1: that I am far less cold in opfice environments, and 546 00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:11,920 Speaker 1: if I work out in the morning, my metabolism is up, 547 00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:14,720 Speaker 1: which seems to keep me warmer. Along those lines, don't 548 00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:17,440 Speaker 1: go hours and hours without eating, otherwise your metabolism drops 549 00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:19,840 Speaker 1: and you may feel cold. Finally, you said that for 550 00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:22,320 Speaker 1: people who with seriously cold hands, their hands got from 551 00:30:22,360 --> 00:30:25,440 Speaker 1: white to blue. Is this something that affects white people 552 00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:27,840 Speaker 1: more than other racists or are you just speaking from 553 00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:30,280 Speaker 1: your own experience? And this was a really good call 554 00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:33,600 Speaker 1: out because rain noods does affect people of all races 555 00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:36,360 Speaker 1: equally according to the research that's been done so far, 556 00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:38,760 Speaker 1: which is kind of limited, but yes, it can affect 557 00:30:38,800 --> 00:30:40,520 Speaker 1: people of all racests. So and I said white to 558 00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:43,320 Speaker 1: blue that was just what I had seen, but maybe 559 00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:46,920 Speaker 1: other colors. And if you have an email, you just 560 00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:49,840 Speaker 1: under way again. Our address is mom Stuff at how 561 00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:52,560 Speaker 1: stuff works dot com. 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