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Speaker 2: What's happening, Millie? What's up? My also my bro, you're

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Speaker 2: also my bro, my bro. Oh Millie. There's just so

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Speaker 1: Yes, absolutely, we are going to be discussing a very interesting,

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Speaker 2: Huh, Yes, absolutely. You know, you think about the great

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like the year was nineteen thirty nine and

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Speaker 2: I learned this, Yeah, conceived by Britney Spears. That's right.

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Speaker 1: We have probably so much to unpack, yes and yeah,

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Speaker 1: So that's gonna be the crux of our conversation today, and.

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Speaker 2: lots to do, lots to come on this episode, all.

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Speaker 1: Kinds of stuff, So please stay tuned. You are listening

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Speaker 1: to Dear Movies. I love you, girl, I love you and.

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Speaker 2: Very good? By Oh my god, Milli. This is our podcast,

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Speaker 2: Dear Movies, I Love You where a podcast for those

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Speaker 2: who are in a deep, meaningful relationship with film. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: and it's a lovely place to be, Millie. We have

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Speaker 2: so much to do on this episode, but we must start,

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Speaker 2: as we always do, with our film Diary, opening up

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Speaker 2: the diary to talk about the movies we've seen this

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Speaker 1: Can you drop in the sound of like Dracula's tomb

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Speaker 2: Right. Yeah, We're going to go through a few of these,

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Speaker 2: the biggest waves when it came out, but like, I

430
00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:48,080
Speaker 2: don't think Crossroads did particularly well, a lot of these

431
00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:52,359
Speaker 2: are just critical flops, I think from Justin mc kelly

432
00:25:52,520 --> 00:25:56,280
Speaker 2: is always popping up on worst Movies of All Time lists,

433
00:25:56,960 --> 00:25:59,720
Speaker 2: So it is just like interesting why they kept churning

434
00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:04,119
Speaker 2: the out one after another and like why that happened? Well,

435
00:26:04,119 --> 00:26:06,280
Speaker 2: I think, I mean the reason it happened is because

436
00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:10,240
Speaker 2: there was a boom of all these pop stars all

437
00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:12,920
Speaker 2: at one time, the Instincts, the Backstreet Boys, and then

438
00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:16,160
Speaker 2: like we mentioned like Britney Spears, Jessica Simpson, Mandy Moore,

439
00:26:16,280 --> 00:26:20,560
Speaker 2: Christina Aguilera, these boy bands and these uh these pop singers,

440
00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:23,040
Speaker 2: all like tons of them popping up at the same time.

441
00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:26,080
Speaker 2: So it makes sense that maybe they started they wanted to.

442
00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:29,240
Speaker 2: You know, it's kind of an old fashioned, like nineteen

443
00:26:29,320 --> 00:26:33,720
Speaker 2: fifties idea of like let's put these musicians in teen

444
00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:37,520
Speaker 2: movies to get like to make money that way. Well,

445
00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:38,679
Speaker 2: and like what you know, what's.

446
00:26:38,560 --> 00:26:42,119
Speaker 1: Really interesting to me specifically about sort of what's happened.

447
00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:44,040
Speaker 1: Like if you think about this era and you think

448
00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:48,200
Speaker 1: about say pop music right now, right the Taylor Swifts,

449
00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:51,960
Speaker 1: the Billie Eilishes, the BTS is like whatever you want

450
00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:55,600
Speaker 1: to call it. Yeah, it feels like certainly in the

451
00:26:55,920 --> 00:27:02,440
Speaker 1: you know, Taylor Swift, Beyonce Bts stuff Like there are

452
00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:08,159
Speaker 1: documentaries coming out about these people, right, but they're not

453
00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:14,800
Speaker 1: in these narrative feature length films like yes, you're not

454
00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:22,280
Speaker 1: seeing like Sabrina Carpenter in a movie about how she

455
00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:25,160
Speaker 1: has to run away from her single dad in order

456
00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:27,320
Speaker 1: to find herself in California or whatever.

457
00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:28,600
Speaker 2: You know what I mean, Like totally they're not.

458
00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:32,400
Speaker 1: It seems almost kind of like too corny for any

459
00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:35,760
Speaker 1: of these people. Now at this point, if you're a

460
00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:39,959
Speaker 1: musician and you're in a narrative film, you're kind of like,

461
00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:43,560
Speaker 1: I don't know, either a cameo or some kind of

462
00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:46,560
Speaker 1: like you know when we saw like Omar Apollo and Queer,

463
00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:49,240
Speaker 1: Like when you're like watching sort of things like that,

464
00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:53,200
Speaker 1: like there's not there isn't this. It's like nobody wants

465
00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:55,320
Speaker 1: to be the monkeys in that way. They don't want

466
00:27:55,320 --> 00:27:59,439
Speaker 1: to create this fictional world for this superstar where they

467
00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:01,920
Speaker 1: get to they have to basically act out their own

468
00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:03,879
Speaker 1: fake lives or something like that.

469
00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:08,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's too sincere or something or it's like too

470
00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:13,960
Speaker 2: and so it's embarrassing. Yes, well let's talk about not

471
00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:16,960
Speaker 2: for me. I think it's great, but for these celebrities,

472
00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:17,800
Speaker 2: I think they would find it.

473
00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:22,000
Speaker 1: Oh no, everyone again, everybody else is too based for Crossroads.

474
00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:23,000
Speaker 2: Yes exactly.

475
00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:24,320
Speaker 1: I don't want to Crossroads.

476
00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:31,840
Speaker 2: I just want to say something about Britney Spears, who

477
00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:35,840
Speaker 2: I have such a soft spot for Britney Spears. I

478
00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:40,120
Speaker 2: was like a teenager when she came out and I

479
00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:42,240
Speaker 2: was like in love with her. I thought she was

480
00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:48,640
Speaker 2: so just approachable and fun, but also like she was

481
00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:54,600
Speaker 2: kind of like jockish you and athletic. And when hit

482
00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:56,800
Speaker 2: Me Baby One More Time came out, she was just

483
00:28:56,800 --> 00:29:01,560
Speaker 2: this fully packaged pop star. I mean that video and

484
00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:05,280
Speaker 2: that song were huge. I watched it again after I

485
00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:08,320
Speaker 2: watched Crossroads, and I was just like affected by it again,

486
00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:11,160
Speaker 2: just being like this is so it just feels epic

487
00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:16,200
Speaker 2: and so grand and uh so. I always was like

488
00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:18,600
Speaker 2: a huge fan of Britney Spears. I always felt like

489
00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:21,080
Speaker 2: she was so much I feel like every other pop

490
00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:23,240
Speaker 2: star that came after her, that was kind of even

491
00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:25,200
Speaker 2: Christina Aguilera, I felt like they were kind of like

492
00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:27,440
Speaker 2: copying Britney Spears. I felt like they were all kind

493
00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:31,120
Speaker 2: of copies of Britney Spears, and she was so dynamic

494
00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:35,360
Speaker 2: and exciting, and I've always rooted for her, and so

495
00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:37,480
Speaker 2: when she had her kind of breakdown in the mid

496
00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:40,640
Speaker 2: two thousands, I feel like she never quite recovered from it,

497
00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:44,640
Speaker 2: and I worry about her to this day. I mean,

498
00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:47,240
Speaker 2: I don't know if you follow her on Instagram, but

499
00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:50,840
Speaker 2: it is it does not seem like the instagram of

500
00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:54,880
Speaker 2: a person who is doing great, and it makes me

501
00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:58,200
Speaker 2: really sad to know of the struggles that she has

502
00:29:58,320 --> 00:30:02,760
Speaker 2: had because she was so dynamic and exciting and in

503
00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:05,520
Speaker 2: some ways, I know this sounds insane, probably, but I

504
00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:08,640
Speaker 2: think of her as like Elvis. She's like the Elvis

505
00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:14,200
Speaker 2: of my time, where just like the way she moved

506
00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:18,200
Speaker 2: and danced and sang, she just had electricity going through her.

507
00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:23,520
Speaker 2: And then that the popularity that she had and like

508
00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:26,440
Speaker 2: the pressure that was on her made her crack, kind

509
00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:28,440
Speaker 2: of like Elvis. And I really do hope that she

510
00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:30,840
Speaker 2: has kind of a second act. She's only in her

511
00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:35,720
Speaker 2: early forties, you know, And so yeah, I love Britney Spears.

512
00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:41,160
Speaker 2: I root for her, and I think watching I Saw

513
00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:44,120
Speaker 2: Crossroads in theaters, but watching it again now after all

514
00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:46,720
Speaker 2: we know about Britney Spears, it was a bit of

515
00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:48,520
Speaker 2: a tough watch to be honest.

516
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, thank you for sure.

517
00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:54,000
Speaker 2: I'm sorry if this sent into a dark direction. Well

518
00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:56,120
Speaker 2: that's just sort of what I was thinking about when

519
00:30:56,120 --> 00:30:56,800
Speaker 2: we watched it.

520
00:30:56,920 --> 00:30:58,520
Speaker 1: Well, thank you for sharing that.

521
00:30:58,640 --> 00:30:59,760
Speaker 2: Yeah.

522
00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:09,080
Speaker 1: As a woman, I my, it's almost like too hard

523
00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:13,960
Speaker 1: for me to talk about how I feel about not

524
00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:19,320
Speaker 1: just Brittany generally, but women of her level of fame

525
00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:26,200
Speaker 1: and the ways in which the obsession with her.

526
00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:28,680
Speaker 2: Was so.

527
00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:38,120
Speaker 1: Like dramatic. And I'm not saying unprecedented, because there have

528
00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:40,440
Speaker 1: been women like her, like Marilyn Monroe. There's been so

529
00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:44,800
Speaker 1: many women who become kind of like the fascination of

530
00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:50,880
Speaker 1: a culture, right, Yes, And it's really hard for me

531
00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:53,200
Speaker 1: to talk about, I think as a woman, to be like,

532
00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:59,520
Speaker 1: the ways in which she had to navigate it is

533
00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:05,440
Speaker 1: still nownavigating it. And maybe there were times where she

534
00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:09,720
Speaker 1: wasn't protected and maybe there was.

535
00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:11,000
Speaker 2: We were in an era.

536
00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:14,320
Speaker 1: Certainly in this period, and I have to say it

537
00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:16,560
Speaker 1: because I talked about this and I saw what she

538
00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:20,240
Speaker 1: did constantly. I personally feel like the early two thousands

539
00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:23,320
Speaker 1: was like a really low point for feminism in a

540
00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:27,800
Speaker 1: lot of ways. And I'm not saying for her specifically,

541
00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:31,239
Speaker 1: like I don't know anything about her feminist politics, if

542
00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:33,280
Speaker 1: she has any, Like I'm just sort of like, I'm

543
00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:35,840
Speaker 1: taking that part of the equation out of it. I'm

544
00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:40,480
Speaker 1: saying the ways in which, like the culture objectified her

545
00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:44,960
Speaker 1: specifically in this time.

546
00:32:44,760 --> 00:32:49,120
Speaker 2: Period, yeah, because it was rough, like yes, you know, it.

547
00:32:49,080 --> 00:32:53,400
Speaker 1: Was really masculine, really machismo, like I mean between the

548
00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:57,360
Speaker 1: I call it like the Girls Gone Wild era of

549
00:32:57,480 --> 00:33:01,720
Speaker 1: kind of like sexualization of women in these like really

550
00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:07,040
Speaker 1: really extreme ways, but also just like gross dude things

551
00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:12,520
Speaker 1: like just like really ugly masculinity.

552
00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:14,640
Speaker 2: Yes, and yes, you know.

553
00:33:14,600 --> 00:33:17,760
Speaker 1: And so I just can't even imagine what it must

554
00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:19,880
Speaker 1: have been like for her. And there are times where

555
00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:24,720
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, well, I can't even say anything about

556
00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:30,800
Speaker 1: her current state because it's so informed by that, you know,

557
00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:35,760
Speaker 1: and her entire life being in the entertainment industry, and

558
00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:39,400
Speaker 1: so I'm just like, yeah, I'm with you, Like it's

559
00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:42,320
Speaker 1: kind of too sad for me to think about in general.

560
00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:46,400
Speaker 1: And then when you watch this movie, there were like

561
00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:48,680
Speaker 1: times where I was like, oh, yeah, like they're trying

562
00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:52,720
Speaker 1: to get her in her underwear as much as possible,

563
00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:56,680
Speaker 1: and that was her career at that time as everybody

564
00:33:56,720 --> 00:34:00,480
Speaker 1: wanted to see her in like little cute pink underwear

565
00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:04,520
Speaker 1: sets and yeah, you know, like and there was a

566
00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:08,400
Speaker 1: point of me that's like, well she looked amazing and

567
00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:12,840
Speaker 1: she was like, like you said, like athletic and extremely gorgeous.

568
00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:15,480
Speaker 1: And I was like, okay, well, like that's like her

569
00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:17,719
Speaker 1: body was being objectified for so many people, and it

570
00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:21,040
Speaker 1: was like, you know, watching this movie made me remember

571
00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:23,839
Speaker 1: all of it. It like came back to me, you know.

572
00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:26,000
Speaker 2: What I mean. Well, one of the things that I

573
00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:30,839
Speaker 2: found like kind of disturbing when watching it, well, let

574
00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:33,080
Speaker 2: me just do you mind if I give a quick synopsis?

575
00:34:33,120 --> 00:34:33,560
Speaker 1: Absolutely?

576
00:34:33,640 --> 00:34:39,680
Speaker 2: No feel okay, okay. So this is the synopsis of Crossroads.

577
00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:45,960
Speaker 2: So we're in Georgia, Baby Lucy Britney Spears, kit Zoe Saldana,

578
00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:48,719
Speaker 2: and Mimi Taryn Manning. They all used to be best

579
00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:51,600
Speaker 2: friends in middle school and one night they bury a

580
00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:53,480
Speaker 2: box in a yard with all of their wishes and

581
00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:55,400
Speaker 2: they promise each other to meet there again on the

582
00:34:55,520 --> 00:34:58,640
Speaker 2: night of their high school graduation. Well, fast forward to

583
00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:03,280
Speaker 2: high school. They're not from anymore. Lucy is a valedictorian virgin,

584
00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:06,000
Speaker 2: which comes up. I have more to say on that

585
00:35:06,239 --> 00:35:08,840
Speaker 2: comes up a lot. Kit is a very mean, popular

586
00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:11,320
Speaker 2: girl who's engaged to some guy in college at UCLA,

587
00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:16,160
Speaker 2: and Mimi is barefoot and pregnant. Basically, they and they

588
00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:18,960
Speaker 2: still meet up on the night of their high school

589
00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:22,799
Speaker 2: graduation and they agree to accompany Mimi on a road

590
00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:25,760
Speaker 2: trip to la from Georgia so that Mimi can audition

591
00:35:25,840 --> 00:35:30,880
Speaker 2: for this record company contract competition. It's a little unclear

592
00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:34,480
Speaker 2: what that is, but she's gonna go audition for a

593
00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:37,040
Speaker 2: you know, a recording contract and that will solve all

594
00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:40,720
Speaker 2: her problems. Who's gonna drive them? Why? It's the honky

595
00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:43,879
Speaker 2: bad boy Ben played by Anson Mount. And what will

596
00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:46,239
Speaker 2: happen to these girls who are not yet women? We

597
00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:49,800
Speaker 2: will see as we drive across country and sing along

598
00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:53,160
Speaker 2: to all sorts of pop songs of the time. So

599
00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:58,719
Speaker 2: that's basically Crossroads. And dan Ackroyd is Britney Spears dad, who.

600
00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:02,520
Speaker 1: Again, I gotta say quickly about dan ackroid I feel

601
00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:08,240
Speaker 1: like is he the king of playing single fathers and films?

602
00:36:09,080 --> 00:36:11,840
Speaker 2: I was like my girl Crossroads.

603
00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:15,080
Speaker 1: It's like if there was a mom sad dad that

604
00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:18,279
Speaker 1: fucked off or died and you got a one, and

605
00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:20,879
Speaker 1: you got one dude, who's holding on the ford. It's

606
00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:22,479
Speaker 1: dan Ackroid with a.

607
00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:27,759
Speaker 2: Buzz cut, looking sad forlorn, trying to protect his daughter. Yeah,

608
00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:32,080
Speaker 2: it's he emanates that energy immediately. I remember watching it

609
00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:34,480
Speaker 2: in two thousand and two being like dan Akritz in

610
00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:36,520
Speaker 2: this movie as a fourteen year old boy.

611
00:36:37,120 --> 00:36:42,480
Speaker 1: I can't believe zoe Saldonna Is I a hundred percent.

612
00:36:42,239 --> 00:36:46,680
Speaker 2: For Oscar winner Zoey Seldonia. I know, isn't it. But

613
00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:50,959
Speaker 2: as we were kind of alluding to before this, this

614
00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:57,120
Speaker 2: movie was, you know, just on the topic of taking

615
00:36:57,160 --> 00:37:00,920
Speaker 2: advantage of Britney Spears and like the the male gaze

616
00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:04,439
Speaker 2: of putting her in her underwear and parading her around

617
00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:07,200
Speaker 2: in this movie. Another big thing I feel like in

618
00:37:07,239 --> 00:37:10,960
Speaker 2: the early aughts was like the obsession with the virgin

619
00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:14,359
Speaker 2: or like, oh, we can't wait until she's eighteen. Like

620
00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:17,680
Speaker 2: that was like there's like maxim magazines like count down

621
00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:20,880
Speaker 2: to the Olsen Twins are eighteen type of stuff going on.

622
00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:24,799
Speaker 2: And so watching it this time and knowing who we

623
00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:27,279
Speaker 2: know is Britney Spears, I think of Britney Spears as

624
00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:32,560
Speaker 2: like backflipping athlete. I think of her as like an athlete.

625
00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:36,880
Speaker 2: She's like so like in some of her best dance sequences,

626
00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:40,120
Speaker 2: she's really just like able to move her body in

627
00:37:40,200 --> 00:37:43,000
Speaker 2: such a miraculous way. And in this movie, a movie

628
00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:45,719
Speaker 2: about her that apparently she like helped come up with

629
00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:50,440
Speaker 2: the storyline, they make her virginal and timid and like

630
00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:54,359
Speaker 2: a valedictorian and it's basically a movie about like who

631
00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:59,160
Speaker 2: she's gonna like give her virginity away too, And it

632
00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:05,360
Speaker 2: really is disgusting to watch. And it's like, knowing what happened,

633
00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:08,120
Speaker 2: you know, what she had to go through, it makes

634
00:38:08,160 --> 00:38:11,839
Speaker 2: it hard to watch this movie. And I was just like,

635
00:38:12,239 --> 00:38:15,680
Speaker 2: why can't she be like, like, she doesn't dance in

636
00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:17,160
Speaker 2: this whole movie, and I feel like that's what she's

637
00:38:17,239 --> 00:38:19,960
Speaker 2: like known for. Yeah, you know, I don't know. I

638
00:38:20,080 --> 00:38:22,919
Speaker 2: just there's a lot to take in with that sort

639
00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:26,239
Speaker 2: of storyline that was really just upsetting for me.

640
00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:29,960
Speaker 1: Well I'm like that, like I think, obviously, okay, let's

641
00:38:30,040 --> 00:38:32,480
Speaker 1: let's get let's strip this back. Okay, let's say what

642
00:38:32,520 --> 00:38:34,560
Speaker 1: is Okay, First of all, there's a lot of things

643
00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:37,879
Speaker 1: I forgot about this movie in terms of personnel. Okay, sure,

644
00:38:38,120 --> 00:38:41,560
Speaker 1: So Dan Aykroyd as the Dad, Zoe saw Donia as

645
00:38:41,960 --> 00:38:45,680
Speaker 1: kid like one of her friends. I didn't realize that

646
00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:48,839
Speaker 1: Shanta Rhymes did the screenplay.

647
00:38:49,600 --> 00:38:52,000
Speaker 2: Isn't that shocking? And I should say this was directed

648
00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:55,160
Speaker 2: by Tamar Davis, who directed Billy Madison and Half Baked.

649
00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:57,640
Speaker 1: Right, Tamber Davis, who I talked about on I saw

650
00:38:57,640 --> 00:39:00,680
Speaker 1: what she did. She did a lot of music videos

651
00:39:00,680 --> 00:39:02,719
Speaker 1: and she's a good filmmaker and she we did Half

652
00:39:02,719 --> 00:39:05,760
Speaker 1: Baked on the podcast. But and so, yeah, there's great

653
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:10,200
Speaker 1: people attached to it. So there's like a female female screenwriter,

654
00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:17,200
Speaker 1: lots of like great actors in the cast. Yes, Like

655
00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:19,600
Speaker 1: what the fuck is going on with this thing?

656
00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:21,120
Speaker 2: Justin Long pops in there.

657
00:39:21,160 --> 00:39:24,160
Speaker 1: Okay, you're putting the car before the horse because I

658
00:39:24,160 --> 00:39:28,360
Speaker 1: got I'm sorry about Justin Long. What I will say

659
00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:33,480
Speaker 1: is this, they're trying so hard to create these archetypes

660
00:39:34,040 --> 00:39:37,319
Speaker 1: of women, like like, okay, what do we do to

661
00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:42,239
Speaker 1: get these three crazily different women in a car and

662
00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:45,160
Speaker 1: have to work out their friendship? His very like Sisterhood

663
00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:47,520
Speaker 1: of the Traveling Pants kind of way, even though this

664
00:39:47,640 --> 00:39:50,759
Speaker 1: movie came out before Sisterhood of the Traveling Pants, the

665
00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:54,319
Speaker 1: movie that is not the book. But I was not

666
00:39:54,640 --> 00:39:57,759
Speaker 1: buying it for one fucking second, dude.

667
00:39:59,560 --> 00:40:02,359
Speaker 2: What what exactly were you not buying just.

668
00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:06,799
Speaker 1: The whole like sweetie, Like when she shows up in

669
00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:12,120
Speaker 1: her fucking like church outfit like her mom. You know,

670
00:40:12,200 --> 00:40:16,160
Speaker 1: I was like, this isn't like this is insane, Like yes,

671
00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:18,920
Speaker 1: this is first of all, I don't even buy that

672
00:40:20,239 --> 00:40:25,520
Speaker 1: the Tared Manning character knows uh, this fucking girl at all.

673
00:40:25,719 --> 00:40:29,120
Speaker 1: Like I'm like they in my experience in my high school,

674
00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:32,600
Speaker 1: those two bitches would have never crossed paths in a

675
00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:35,400
Speaker 1: million years, in a million.

676
00:40:35,600 --> 00:40:38,480
Speaker 2: Years, not even in sixth grade.

677
00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:42,680
Speaker 1: Not even in Georgia, not even in Georgia. Okay, it's

678
00:40:42,719 --> 00:40:45,400
Speaker 1: like you're trying to tell me that Tared Manning's trailer

679
00:40:45,560 --> 00:40:52,560
Speaker 1: park adjacent character was gonna know, Britney spears this character

680
00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:57,840
Speaker 1: in her like like lack partner, white pick offence, like

681
00:40:57,920 --> 00:41:02,000
Speaker 1: girly girl thing. No way, yeah no, Tared Manning's character

682
00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:06,080
Speaker 1: teaches the Zoe Saldana character how to punch. Okay, like

683
00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:08,759
Speaker 1: these girls wouldn't have hung out. I wouldn't have hung

684
00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:10,200
Speaker 1: out with a girl like that.

685
00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:12,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, just okating out there.

686
00:41:13,160 --> 00:41:18,839
Speaker 1: So I wasn't buying it whatsoever. Now I have to say,

687
00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:21,440
Speaker 1: like to your earlier point about this being this like

688
00:41:21,520 --> 00:41:25,920
Speaker 1: kind of era of virginal obsession. I mean, we have

689
00:41:26,360 --> 00:41:29,880
Speaker 1: I mean remember, you know, we're like in the American

690
00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:34,000
Speaker 1: pie era. We're in this Stacy's mom era. There was

691
00:41:34,040 --> 00:41:39,240
Speaker 1: all this shit about like virgins and Milfson and fucking

692
00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:41,840
Speaker 1: all these like things, and I'm just like, what is wrong?

693
00:41:42,040 --> 00:41:45,600
Speaker 1: What is like? What happened to America when this when

694
00:41:45,680 --> 00:41:50,719
Speaker 1: this shit was popping off? You know, might have you

695
00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:53,200
Speaker 1: might be fucking right about that. I gotta be honest,

696
00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:56,720
Speaker 1: you might be right, but I feel like it's set

697
00:41:56,719 --> 00:41:59,920
Speaker 1: the table for this whole storyline, which I'm kind of

698
00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:06,440
Speaker 1: and then it's like the idea that she's doesn't okay,

699
00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:09,359
Speaker 1: So how does it go? Basically, Justin Long we got

700
00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:10,520
Speaker 1: to talk about Justin Locke.

701
00:42:11,040 --> 00:42:14,120
Speaker 2: Yes, Justin Long is in the movie for four and

702
00:42:14,160 --> 00:42:16,160
Speaker 2: a half minutes, the first four and a half minutes

703
00:42:16,160 --> 00:42:18,680
Speaker 2: of the movie where he plays Britney Spears lab partner

704
00:42:18,719 --> 00:42:20,319
Speaker 2: and they're going to have sex on the night of

705
00:42:20,360 --> 00:42:23,359
Speaker 2: prom and then she's like, this just doesn't feel right.

706
00:42:24,200 --> 00:42:27,560
Speaker 2: But that four and a half minutes was probably the

707
00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:33,000
Speaker 2: most fun. Yes, Like, when Justin Long is ejected from

708
00:42:33,080 --> 00:42:37,120
Speaker 2: this movie, there goes all the jokes and humor and

709
00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:41,000
Speaker 2: joy I felt like in any way, like there is

710
00:42:41,080 --> 00:42:43,520
Speaker 2: no comic relief in this movie other than Justin Long,

711
00:42:43,680 --> 00:42:45,600
Speaker 2: and he's gone very quickly, Justin.

712
00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:48,279
Speaker 1: Long in his sleeper build. Have you ever heard about

713
00:42:48,320 --> 00:42:49,160
Speaker 1: a sleeper build?

714
00:42:49,640 --> 00:42:51,040
Speaker 2: Yes, Okay, go look it up.

715
00:42:51,120 --> 00:42:56,479
Speaker 1: Okay. I was like, Okay, when you find out later

716
00:42:56,680 --> 00:42:59,359
Speaker 1: who the other guy is, I mean this spoiler alert,

717
00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:03,360
Speaker 1: spoiler alert. This movie is over twenty years old, so

718
00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:07,640
Speaker 1: hopefully if you don't want to spoiler, just this, put

719
00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:08,279
Speaker 1: this shit away.

720
00:43:08,520 --> 00:43:11,480
Speaker 2: Just really, this will really ruin this movie for you

721
00:43:11,520 --> 00:43:12,520
Speaker 2: knowing this information.

722
00:43:12,840 --> 00:43:16,759
Speaker 1: When she eventually gives it up to the guy that

723
00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:19,319
Speaker 1: she's been on the road trip with, the fucking rock

724
00:43:19,360 --> 00:43:25,239
Speaker 1: and roll guy with the angel wing tattoos on his back, okay, yes,

725
00:43:25,840 --> 00:43:30,279
Speaker 1: I'm like, you chose the wrong dude. I'm like, jo't

726
00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:33,399
Speaker 1: fuck this guy at all.

727
00:43:33,800 --> 00:43:35,160
Speaker 2: Okay, he was in jail.

728
00:43:35,760 --> 00:43:40,000
Speaker 1: He was in jail. That is like tantamount to fucking

729
00:43:40,160 --> 00:43:45,320
Speaker 1: kid rock or whatever, like the manifestation of this over testosterony,

730
00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:48,000
Speaker 1: like rock and roll guy of this era. That's who

731
00:43:48,120 --> 00:43:52,360
Speaker 1: she gave her virginity up to instead of Justin Long,

732
00:43:52,760 --> 00:43:55,040
Speaker 1: who I mean, he might be a beta creep. I

733
00:43:55,040 --> 00:43:59,279
Speaker 1: don't know, but he seemed sweet and earnest and they

734
00:43:59,400 --> 00:44:03,240
Speaker 1: were friends, and you know, he was being all cute

735
00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:06,840
Speaker 1: and then you know, yeah whatever. But she eventually was like, no,

736
00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:08,920
Speaker 1: don't you want it to be special? And then she

737
00:44:09,120 --> 00:44:15,080
Speaker 1: focks this guy with the angel wing tattoos, and I'm like, gross, girl, gross.

738
00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:18,120
Speaker 2: I mean Justin Long has the funniest joke of the movie,

739
00:44:18,160 --> 00:44:20,560
Speaker 2: where Britney spears is like, do you really want to

740
00:44:20,560 --> 00:44:23,480
Speaker 2: look back twenty years from now and think about how

741
00:44:23,680 --> 00:44:27,200
Speaker 2: you lost your virginity to your lab partner? And he's like, yes, yes,

742
00:44:27,239 --> 00:44:27,920
Speaker 2: I do want to think.

743
00:44:28,120 --> 00:44:28,799
Speaker 1: I want that to do.

744
00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:31,960
Speaker 2: It's like I was like, oh, that's kind of funny,

745
00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:40,200
Speaker 2: But this movie I found totally joyless and humorless. Maybe

746
00:44:40,239 --> 00:44:42,160
Speaker 2: trigger warning here? Did you talk about some of the

747
00:44:42,200 --> 00:44:46,840
Speaker 2: events of this movie? We learn that Tarreen Manning is

748
00:44:46,920 --> 00:44:52,280
Speaker 2: pregnant because she was raped. Yeah, we later spoiler alert

749
00:44:52,840 --> 00:44:56,919
Speaker 2: we later learn the person who raped her was Zoe

750
00:44:57,080 --> 00:45:04,719
Speaker 2: Saldana's fiancee Gez, and then Taren Manning falls down the

751
00:45:04,880 --> 00:45:08,720
Speaker 2: stairs and loses the baby.

752
00:45:09,040 --> 00:45:09,600
Speaker 1: Jesus.

753
00:45:09,760 --> 00:45:13,200
Speaker 2: That is so I can't believe they allowed this to

754
00:45:13,280 --> 00:45:16,360
Speaker 2: be in It's that is so dark, so dark, Like

755
00:45:17,320 --> 00:45:21,600
Speaker 2: I was shocked, rewind, I did not remember that it

756
00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:24,279
Speaker 2: was this dark of a movie, right.

757
00:45:25,080 --> 00:45:29,320
Speaker 1: You know. It's funny because I have read people online

758
00:45:29,760 --> 00:45:34,919
Speaker 1: who have gone back and watched this film, and they

759
00:45:34,960 --> 00:45:37,480
Speaker 1: have talked about that. A lot of what I've seen

760
00:45:37,520 --> 00:45:40,840
Speaker 1: and read about, you know, kind of rewatching Crossroads is

761
00:45:40,880 --> 00:45:44,000
Speaker 1: that it's dark, like the subject matter is crazy dark.

762
00:45:44,680 --> 00:45:49,280
Speaker 1: And you know, I think, you know, from a very

763
00:45:49,680 --> 00:45:55,520
Speaker 1: basic research reading of the film, I think that was

764
00:45:55,719 --> 00:45:59,120
Speaker 1: part of the plan for at least for Shonda Rhymes

765
00:45:59,120 --> 00:46:02,839
Speaker 1: and Tamar Davis's part was that they wanted to make

766
00:46:02,880 --> 00:46:06,000
Speaker 1: it about like real female problems, right, like real things

767
00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:09,120
Speaker 1: that women go through, and they didn't want to sugarcoat it,

768
00:46:09,320 --> 00:46:11,720
Speaker 1: and they didn't care if it was a Britney Spears movie.

769
00:46:11,920 --> 00:46:14,600
Speaker 1: And that about basically how Britney Spears was sort of like,

770
00:46:14,840 --> 00:46:18,360
Speaker 1: I mean, she was the one that kind of engineered

771
00:46:18,440 --> 00:46:20,479
Speaker 1: the whole movie to exist, right.

772
00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:21,200
Speaker 2: Yeah.

773
00:46:21,239 --> 00:46:24,640
Speaker 1: But I think that's really interesting because yeah, I mean,

774
00:46:25,200 --> 00:46:29,839
Speaker 1: I'm just saying it is dark. I think that they

775
00:46:29,880 --> 00:46:33,480
Speaker 1: had good intentions to make it dark, but I also

776
00:46:33,680 --> 00:46:37,840
Speaker 1: feel like it's just I feel the playout is a

777
00:46:37,840 --> 00:46:39,359
Speaker 1: little bit different but.

778
00:46:39,360 --> 00:46:42,799
Speaker 2: I feel like putting these dark, real life issues in

779
00:46:42,840 --> 00:46:45,520
Speaker 2: a movie like this. First of all, there's just too many,

780
00:46:45,840 --> 00:46:49,680
Speaker 2: like really horrible real life issues in this movie. But

781
00:46:49,719 --> 00:46:51,799
Speaker 2: by putting it in a movie with Britney Spears, who's

782
00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:53,799
Speaker 2: a pop star and it's her first movie, I feel

783
00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:56,239
Speaker 2: like it kind of minimizes those problems or it makes

784
00:46:56,239 --> 00:46:59,399
Speaker 2: them feel like not as big of a deal as

785
00:46:59,400 --> 00:47:02,560
Speaker 2: they are. Like as a person watching it as an adult,

786
00:47:02,640 --> 00:47:05,600
Speaker 2: I was like, oh my god, can I can I?

787
00:47:05,640 --> 00:47:08,640
Speaker 2: Can I throw something at you? Sure if you were to,

788
00:47:09,160 --> 00:47:11,759
Speaker 2: if you like, we're an executive back in the early

789
00:47:11,800 --> 00:47:13,680
Speaker 2: two thousands and they're like, Britney, we want to make

790
00:47:13,680 --> 00:47:15,960
Speaker 2: a movie with Britney Spears. Do you have like a

791
00:47:16,040 --> 00:47:18,880
Speaker 2: pitch of what type of movie that would be or

792
00:47:18,960 --> 00:47:19,480
Speaker 2: should be?

793
00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:32,680
Speaker 1: Sure? I would say Britney Spears attends a exclusive mysterious

794
00:47:33,200 --> 00:47:40,880
Speaker 1: dance academy in Europe uh huh, where she's forced to

795
00:47:41,160 --> 00:47:49,680
Speaker 1: live amongst other dancers and is essentially discovering that the

796
00:47:50,520 --> 00:47:54,560
Speaker 1: house that they live in is haunted, okay, and that

797
00:47:54,600 --> 00:47:59,400
Speaker 1: there are mysterious murders happening within the confines of the house.

798
00:47:59,840 --> 00:48:03,560
Speaker 2: So you want her to be in Suspiria. It sounds

799
00:48:03,600 --> 00:48:07,839
Speaker 2: like which isn't a bad pitch.

800
00:48:07,719 --> 00:48:17,480
Speaker 1: I know, like in a Giallo movie, or like, it

801
00:48:17,480 --> 00:48:19,480
Speaker 1: doesn't even have to be as big as Suspirio. She

802
00:48:19,520 --> 00:48:24,520
Speaker 1: could be in fuck. See, this is why I'm not

803
00:48:24,560 --> 00:48:26,279
Speaker 1: an executive. I just want to let y'all know.

804
00:48:26,360 --> 00:48:29,000
Speaker 2: This is the reason why my idea is, She's had

805
00:48:29,040 --> 00:48:31,919
Speaker 2: the opportunity, but she just this is she wasn't able

806
00:48:31,920 --> 00:48:32,719
Speaker 2: to seize upon. Oh.

807
00:48:32,760 --> 00:48:36,200
Speaker 1: Of course, I would put her as quickly as possible

808
00:48:36,480 --> 00:48:40,839
Speaker 1: into the most fucking nineteen seventies Elizabeth Taylor weird art

809
00:48:40,880 --> 00:48:44,880
Speaker 1: house film possible. I'd put her in Identicit, I'd put

810
00:48:44,920 --> 00:48:48,319
Speaker 1: her in Ash Wednesday. She's gonna have like facial reconstruction,

811
00:48:48,760 --> 00:48:54,560
Speaker 1: reconstructive surgery that feels topical for modern celebrities. I would

812
00:48:54,560 --> 00:48:59,880
Speaker 1: have her be full fast bender woman like. Put her

813
00:48:59,880 --> 00:49:04,480
Speaker 1: in is like candies heels and like these you know,

814
00:49:05,800 --> 00:49:11,799
Speaker 1: bright seventies dresses. You know, like she's gonna be like

815
00:49:12,480 --> 00:49:17,400
Speaker 1: the art house mama. And that is exactly what I

816
00:49:17,400 --> 00:49:19,480
Speaker 1: would do with her. And this is why I do

817
00:49:19,560 --> 00:49:23,160
Speaker 1: a podcast with you, huh. And I don't make decisions.

818
00:49:23,640 --> 00:49:26,480
Speaker 2: I don't think you're like wrong, because I think she

819
00:49:26,600 --> 00:49:31,319
Speaker 2: needed to be in something fun, yes, like or that Showcases,

820
00:49:31,360 --> 00:49:33,160
Speaker 2: because I feel like there were a few moments where

821
00:49:33,160 --> 00:49:34,719
Speaker 2: she got to be kind of like goofy, and I

822
00:49:34,719 --> 00:49:39,120
Speaker 2: feel like she shined a little bit more. And I

823
00:49:39,400 --> 00:49:41,600
Speaker 2: this is just such a dour film. I feel like

824
00:49:41,640 --> 00:49:44,400
Speaker 2: they were trying to make her like a serious leading

825
00:49:44,520 --> 00:49:48,160
Speaker 2: lady by making this movie so dark. But I don't know,

826
00:49:48,200 --> 00:49:49,920
Speaker 2: I just felt like that was kind of a mistake.

827
00:49:50,120 --> 00:49:51,840
Speaker 2: I think when I was talking about this with my

828
00:49:51,880 --> 00:49:54,760
Speaker 2: wife Tricia, she was like, they should have given Britney

829
00:49:54,760 --> 00:49:58,680
Speaker 2: Spears a spice world, a goofy, over the top, bright

830
00:49:58,800 --> 00:50:03,200
Speaker 2: colored movie. Or they could have done like a Purple Rain, yes,

831
00:50:03,360 --> 00:50:07,440
Speaker 2: where it's like we see a lot of performance of

832
00:50:07,480 --> 00:50:11,359
Speaker 2: her performing and doing what she does. Like I mean,

833
00:50:11,480 --> 00:50:14,239
Speaker 2: I love Purple Rain, but like Prince is a horrific

834
00:50:14,360 --> 00:50:16,600
Speaker 2: actor in that movie, but it's still a fun and

835
00:50:16,640 --> 00:50:20,040
Speaker 2: delightful movie to watch. They should have done something like that.

836
00:50:21,120 --> 00:50:24,319
Speaker 2: Or they could have done like a Klio from five

837
00:50:24,360 --> 00:50:28,000
Speaker 2: to seven type film with Britney Spears, which is a

838
00:50:28,480 --> 00:50:32,439
Speaker 2: nineteen sixty two film by Anya Svarda about a pop

839
00:50:32,480 --> 00:50:34,440
Speaker 2: star who discovers she might have cancer and she's kind

840
00:50:34,440 --> 00:50:37,959
Speaker 2: of just walking through Paris, going to rehearsal and doing

841
00:50:38,360 --> 00:50:40,319
Speaker 2: going about her day and sort of seeing her normal life.

842
00:50:40,320 --> 00:50:41,759
Speaker 2: And I think Britney Spears would have been great in that.

843
00:50:42,000 --> 00:50:43,200
Speaker 2: Well let me make of that.

844
00:50:43,200 --> 00:50:45,520
Speaker 1: That's I think the difference between that era and maybe

845
00:50:45,520 --> 00:50:49,480
Speaker 1: now right where in a way. I mean, not that

846
00:50:49,520 --> 00:50:52,200
Speaker 1: they do this or are doing this at any stretch,

847
00:50:52,280 --> 00:50:56,040
Speaker 1: but like I could see somebody like her, like of

848
00:50:56,120 --> 00:50:59,160
Speaker 1: her stature, maybe not of her statue. I feel like

849
00:50:59,200 --> 00:51:03,560
Speaker 1: maybe the rung below. Maybe you're not Beyonce, maybe you're

850
00:51:04,160 --> 00:51:07,640
Speaker 1: maybe you are Lady Gaga. Maybe you are I don't know,

851
00:51:07,960 --> 00:51:11,920
Speaker 1: Phoebe Bridgers or something. You could be in an a

852
00:51:12,040 --> 00:51:14,440
Speaker 1: twenty four horror film. You could be in like a

853
00:51:14,480 --> 00:51:18,640
Speaker 1: weird art house film. I think that feels possible, even though,

854
00:51:18,640 --> 00:51:20,480
Speaker 1: like I said, I don't think they're necessarily doing that

855
00:51:20,600 --> 00:51:24,520
Speaker 1: at this point or will I think back then, there's

856
00:51:24,600 --> 00:51:26,680
Speaker 1: no you couldn't have gone dark. I mean, do you

857
00:51:26,680 --> 00:51:28,120
Speaker 1: want to talk about production code?

858
00:51:28,400 --> 00:51:28,839
Speaker 2: You like?

859
00:51:29,040 --> 00:51:33,840
Speaker 1: That's the thing. She probably in another world could have

860
00:51:33,960 --> 00:51:38,280
Speaker 1: played any of these other characters in her little cadre

861
00:51:38,400 --> 00:51:43,000
Speaker 1: of women, you know, like, instead they opted her. She's

862
00:51:43,040 --> 00:51:47,440
Speaker 1: the virginal good girl. You know, she's not she doesn't

863
00:51:47,520 --> 00:51:51,200
Speaker 1: have the big issues that all these other girls do

864
00:51:52,200 --> 00:51:54,160
Speaker 1: in that way, like you know, of course she's got

865
00:51:54,160 --> 00:51:56,080
Speaker 1: the thing with her mom, but it's a thing of like, oh,

866
00:51:56,080 --> 00:51:59,520
Speaker 1: she's not like falling down the stairs and having a miscarriage,

867
00:51:59,560 --> 00:52:01,440
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And it's like, yeah, she's

868
00:52:01,840 --> 00:52:06,120
Speaker 1: not given the meat of a role, and so it's

869
00:52:06,120 --> 00:52:09,080
Speaker 1: seeming that you give her that meat or you put

870
00:52:09,120 --> 00:52:13,120
Speaker 1: her in a fantastical like Purple Rain type of thing

871
00:52:13,200 --> 00:52:17,319
Speaker 1: with performances and dancing and like almost kind of like yeah,

872
00:52:17,400 --> 00:52:19,879
Speaker 1: rock and roll high school or like the fabulous stay

873
00:52:19,920 --> 00:52:22,200
Speaker 1: in this type of thing. It was hard because this

874
00:52:22,239 --> 00:52:25,719
Speaker 1: is like a middle ground between those two things for sure.

875
00:52:25,600 --> 00:52:27,880
Speaker 2: I know. But it's hard because the music in this

876
00:52:28,000 --> 00:52:32,239
Speaker 2: movie frankly sucks. I think not I'm Not a Girl,

877
00:52:32,360 --> 00:52:35,279
Speaker 2: not Yet a Woman is a weak song, and that's

878
00:52:35,280 --> 00:52:37,759
Speaker 2: like the climax of the movie. And you're kind of like, yeah,

879
00:52:37,800 --> 00:52:40,560
Speaker 2: I know Brittany makes these sort of sadder songs, but

880
00:52:40,640 --> 00:52:43,080
Speaker 2: you know her for her pop hits you and so

881
00:52:43,200 --> 00:52:48,600
Speaker 2: like when the credits roll and Overprotected comes on, you're like, hell, yeah,

882
00:52:48,640 --> 00:52:50,520
Speaker 2: this is what I've been waiting for. But the movie's

883
00:52:50,560 --> 00:52:51,719
Speaker 2: over by that point, did you.

884
00:52:51,680 --> 00:52:54,000
Speaker 1: Not think it was ridiculous that she's saying that at

885
00:52:54,000 --> 00:52:58,000
Speaker 1: the final the final scene, she fully had that outfit in.

886
00:52:57,920 --> 00:53:03,399
Speaker 2: Her bag, right long sleep, the sleeves are long as hell.

887
00:53:03,560 --> 00:53:06,439
Speaker 1: But that her two friends tared Mannig and Zoe's held

888
00:53:06,440 --> 00:53:10,560
Speaker 1: on his character we're singing back up. That felt like

889
00:53:10,600 --> 00:53:13,879
Speaker 1: a monkey's episode. Actually, yes, autely, you see that these

890
00:53:13,920 --> 00:53:17,000
Speaker 1: two friends or hers like bopping around in the back,

891
00:53:17,160 --> 00:53:20,200
Speaker 1: like sing singing her song that she just wrote with

892
00:53:20,360 --> 00:53:20,680
Speaker 1: the other.

893
00:53:22,000 --> 00:53:26,040
Speaker 2: All right, well, thank you, Milly. This was a very instructive, constructive,

894
00:53:26,200 --> 00:53:29,400
Speaker 2: and destructive conversation. I feel like and.

895
00:53:30,040 --> 00:53:33,040
Speaker 1: I'm trying very hard to not be depressed. But you're welcome.

896
00:53:42,520 --> 00:53:48,239
Speaker 2: Millie. We are at our film advice segment and we

897
00:53:48,320 --> 00:53:51,880
Speaker 2: have an email that someone sent us. Yeah, I'm going

898
00:53:51,960 --> 00:53:56,279
Speaker 2: to read it for you. Here we go. Hi. Hello. So,

899
00:53:56,560 --> 00:53:59,040
Speaker 2: my favorite movie theater, the River Oaks Theater in my

900
00:53:59,080 --> 00:54:02,240
Speaker 2: hometown of Houston, has just reopened after a lengthy renovation.

901
00:54:02,520 --> 00:54:06,279
Speaker 2: It plays the obscure and cinephallic movies. It plays the

902
00:54:06,320 --> 00:54:09,080
Speaker 2: obscure and cinephalic movies. Yeah, that's right. I have so

903
00:54:09,160 --> 00:54:12,920
Speaker 2: many memories there, so many dates midnight rocky horror shows,

904
00:54:13,000 --> 00:54:15,840
Speaker 2: underage drunken stupors at their bar. I love it. A

905
00:54:15,880 --> 00:54:18,000
Speaker 2: part of the renovation includes a small room with space

906
00:54:18,000 --> 00:54:20,640
Speaker 2: for catering that can be rented out for private screenings.

907
00:54:20,960 --> 00:54:23,000
Speaker 2: On my last visit, I was flirting with the cute

908
00:54:23,000 --> 00:54:26,200
Speaker 2: guy ripping tickets and he offered to give me a tour. Ooh,

909
00:54:26,239 --> 00:54:28,840
Speaker 2: when we go to that room, I was really impressed,

910
00:54:29,080 --> 00:54:31,120
Speaker 2: and it's kind of affordable. I'd love to host a

911
00:54:31,120 --> 00:54:34,080
Speaker 2: birthday party there. I can do either my birthday in

912
00:54:34,160 --> 00:54:37,520
Speaker 2: August or my other celebratory day the weekend before Halloween.

913
00:54:38,080 --> 00:54:41,799
Speaker 2: I hate talking through movies, but for a party, I

914
00:54:41,840 --> 00:54:45,120
Speaker 2: feel like mingling should be encouraged. People grubbing on whatever

915
00:54:45,120 --> 00:54:47,080
Speaker 2: food I bring in a little and light chit chat.

916
00:54:47,560 --> 00:54:49,839
Speaker 2: But this will also be centered around a movie, which

917
00:54:49,840 --> 00:54:52,279
Speaker 2: I'm sure some will want to watch and pay attention to.

918
00:54:52,760 --> 00:54:56,640
Speaker 2: Here's my question, what should I play? A crowd favorite

919
00:54:56,640 --> 00:54:59,319
Speaker 2: that can appease twenty to thirty people, but that's also

920
00:54:59,480 --> 00:55:02,640
Speaker 2: okay to talk through a fun movie for August, but

921
00:55:02,719 --> 00:55:06,480
Speaker 2: also a horror movie for Halloween. Help Noah?

922
00:55:06,560 --> 00:55:11,560
Speaker 1: Okay, no, now I I strap it strapped the fucking Noah.

923
00:55:11,640 --> 00:55:13,520
Speaker 1: I have done this. This is why I picked your

924
00:55:13,520 --> 00:55:18,080
Speaker 1: email for this episode because, first of all, as of

925
00:55:18,120 --> 00:55:22,680
Speaker 1: this episode, uh, my birthday was a couple of days ago. Okay,

926
00:55:23,400 --> 00:55:27,400
Speaker 1: happy birthday. Okay. Now this year I decided to go

927
00:55:27,440 --> 00:55:32,200
Speaker 1: to Japan for my birthday, so you know, uh, however,

928
00:55:33,239 --> 00:55:36,480
Speaker 1: I think it was two birthdays ago. I did exactly

929
00:55:36,520 --> 00:55:39,680
Speaker 1: what you did, which is that I rented a movie theater.

930
00:55:40,239 --> 00:55:43,319
Speaker 1: Now I know you're thinking, wow, that's so fancy. You're what,

931
00:55:43,360 --> 00:55:46,960
Speaker 1: are you like justin Guarimi or something, And I'm like, no,

932
00:55:47,040 --> 00:55:50,600
Speaker 1: I'm not. It was extremely cheap like, and it was

933
00:55:50,640 --> 00:55:52,400
Speaker 1: here in the plaza. It was one of the smaller

934
00:55:52,400 --> 00:55:55,799
Speaker 1: movie theaters up top, and it was extremely cheap. And

935
00:55:56,320 --> 00:55:58,440
Speaker 1: I don't know about you. I've talked about this with

936
00:55:58,480 --> 00:56:02,520
Speaker 1: several of my other friends who are over I I'm

937
00:56:02,520 --> 00:56:04,560
Speaker 1: at this point where if I'm throwing a birthday party

938
00:56:04,560 --> 00:56:07,200
Speaker 1: for myself, I'm just doing it and I'm paying for it,

939
00:56:07,520 --> 00:56:12,160
Speaker 1: and you just show up. I got no time for

940
00:56:12,239 --> 00:56:15,440
Speaker 1: the fucking Hemmen and Hawn, the people who are like

941
00:56:15,560 --> 00:56:18,879
Speaker 1: beleaguered to come to my birthday, right, They're like, oh God,

942
00:56:18,880 --> 00:56:20,680
Speaker 1: I gotta go to this party. I gotta pay for

943
00:56:20,719 --> 00:56:22,960
Speaker 1: the thing, and I gotta buy a present, like, no, no, no,

944
00:56:23,040 --> 00:56:24,880
Speaker 1: I'm gonna make it real easy for you. If you

945
00:56:25,080 --> 00:56:28,319
Speaker 1: like me, come to my birthday party. It's already paid for.

946
00:56:28,520 --> 00:56:31,799
Speaker 1: All you gotta do is show up, right. So that's

947
00:56:31,840 --> 00:56:34,359
Speaker 1: exactly what happened. I paid for you know whatever, paid

948
00:56:34,400 --> 00:56:38,879
Speaker 1: for the rental, and then texted like a shit ton

949
00:56:38,920 --> 00:56:41,640
Speaker 1: of my friends and said, come and see this movie

950
00:56:41,640 --> 00:56:45,879
Speaker 1: with me for my birthday now. So there's that part, right,

951
00:56:45,960 --> 00:56:49,920
Speaker 1: You got your planning, Okay, now you have the choice.

952
00:56:50,239 --> 00:56:55,040
Speaker 1: And I say this, I don't know who your friends are, Okay,

953
00:56:55,120 --> 00:56:57,799
Speaker 1: let's just say it. When I was going through my

954
00:56:57,840 --> 00:56:59,680
Speaker 1: list of the people that I wanted to bring to

955
00:56:59,719 --> 00:57:04,600
Speaker 1: my I was like, we got a real mixed bag here.

956
00:57:05,239 --> 00:57:09,160
Speaker 1: I got a lot of different types of competing interests

957
00:57:09,600 --> 00:57:13,440
Speaker 1: at this fucking joint, right, And I was telling myself,

958
00:57:13,800 --> 00:57:17,000
Speaker 1: what is a movie that I feel like everyone can

959
00:57:17,040 --> 00:57:20,800
Speaker 1: get behind? So if you're a straight white guy, if

960
00:57:20,880 --> 00:57:25,560
Speaker 1: you're you know, a nine binary black person, if you're

961
00:57:26,200 --> 00:57:28,240
Speaker 1: a woman, a man, if you've got kids, if you

962
00:57:28,240 --> 00:57:30,200
Speaker 1: don't have kids, like, what is something that like is

963
00:57:30,280 --> 00:57:35,760
Speaker 1: just too stupid and joyous that everyone will enjoy it?

964
00:57:36,520 --> 00:57:39,280
Speaker 1: And I decided that movie was.

965
00:57:39,320 --> 00:57:42,280
Speaker 2: Roadhouse hell yeah, and.

966
00:57:43,880 --> 00:57:48,760
Speaker 1: Roadhouse the original all right with Patrick Swayzee to tell

967
00:57:48,800 --> 00:57:51,160
Speaker 1: you in case you got it, confuse with the Jake

968
00:57:51,280 --> 00:57:56,200
Speaker 1: Jillenhall Roadhouse reboot. Okay, now, the reason why I picked

969
00:57:56,200 --> 00:57:59,960
Speaker 1: this is because this movie is gay as shit. It's

970
00:58:00,120 --> 00:58:05,960
Speaker 1: also straight as shit. There's like women, hot women, hot guys.

971
00:58:06,440 --> 00:58:12,960
Speaker 1: There's it's it's ridiculous, there's a it's action oriented, classic

972
00:58:13,080 --> 00:58:17,200
Speaker 1: lines and also to your point, Noah, you can talk

973
00:58:17,320 --> 00:58:21,520
Speaker 1: above it. It's not like a piece of art to

974
00:58:21,560 --> 00:58:23,760
Speaker 1: where people really need to like study it. Like a

975
00:58:23,760 --> 00:58:26,200
Speaker 1: guy gets this fucking throat ripped out, like we can

976
00:58:26,240 --> 00:58:28,320
Speaker 1: scream and kiki and do all this guy.

977
00:58:30,400 --> 00:58:32,439
Speaker 2: Aren't there multiple throat rips or is there just one

978
00:58:32,520 --> 00:58:33,920
Speaker 2: main throat rip in that movie?

979
00:58:33,960 --> 00:58:37,560
Speaker 1: Well there's you know, his previous throat rips, which we've

980
00:58:37,720 --> 00:58:38,480
Speaker 1: not seen one.

981
00:58:38,480 --> 00:58:42,000
Speaker 2: Okay, that's right, they're alluded to. Sorry, but do you

982
00:58:42,000 --> 00:58:42,600
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying.

983
00:58:42,680 --> 00:58:47,240
Speaker 1: It's like it's like a joyous, raucous, stupid fun movie

984
00:58:47,280 --> 00:58:51,840
Speaker 1: that appeals to everybody, Like every everybody of all stripes

985
00:58:52,080 --> 00:58:56,720
Speaker 1: can get behind watching this movie. And that is literally

986
00:58:56,800 --> 00:58:59,880
Speaker 1: what happened. Like I brought you know, the movie to

987
00:59:00,120 --> 00:59:02,480
Speaker 1: the theater. All these people showed up. I had probably,

988
00:59:02,520 --> 00:59:05,000
Speaker 1: like I don't know, maybe like fifty people there, which

989
00:59:05,040 --> 00:59:07,240
Speaker 1: is really weird. I don't even remember how I know

990
00:59:07,320 --> 00:59:09,880
Speaker 1: fifty people, but that's kind of how it worked. And

991
00:59:10,240 --> 00:59:16,920
Speaker 1: everybody lost their shit, like it was super fun. Everybody

992
00:59:17,080 --> 00:59:19,800
Speaker 1: was real on board. A lot of people hadn't seen

993
00:59:19,840 --> 00:59:22,360
Speaker 1: it before, because I have some younger friends that weren't

994
00:59:22,400 --> 00:59:25,800
Speaker 1: like not you know, in the roadhouse era. When this

995
00:59:25,880 --> 00:59:29,080
Speaker 1: movie came out, they were blown the fuck away. My

996
00:59:29,200 --> 00:59:32,520
Speaker 1: friend's fucking mom was there. She hadn't seen the movie

997
00:59:32,920 --> 00:59:35,400
Speaker 1: since the eighties, and she was like, holy shit, it

998
00:59:35,440 --> 00:59:39,880
Speaker 1: was a ride. I was like extremely pleased with myself,

999
00:59:39,920 --> 00:59:41,760
Speaker 1: Like I was like, this is maybe one of the

1000
00:59:41,760 --> 00:59:46,400
Speaker 1: funnest movie experiences I've ever had, And it was just

1001
00:59:46,440 --> 00:59:48,520
Speaker 1: like it fired on all cylinders. It was just that

1002
00:59:48,600 --> 00:59:51,400
Speaker 1: perfect thing. And it wasn't like I am a fucking genius.

1003
00:59:51,480 --> 00:59:54,720
Speaker 1: I just thought, Okay, practically speaking, what is something that

1004
00:59:55,160 --> 00:59:56,720
Speaker 1: hits all these marks?

1005
00:59:56,840 --> 00:59:57,880
Speaker 2: Right? Sure?

1006
00:59:57,960 --> 01:00:00,040
Speaker 1: So that's kind of what I would suggest for you,

1007
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:03,160
Speaker 1: you know what. Again, I would do like an assessment

1008
01:00:03,200 --> 01:00:06,920
Speaker 1: of who you're inviting, find out like get a temp

1009
01:00:07,040 --> 01:00:09,200
Speaker 1: check on, like what their levels of humor are, like

1010
01:00:09,240 --> 01:00:13,640
Speaker 1: who's coming, you know, and then decide like and in

1011
01:00:13,760 --> 01:00:16,120
Speaker 1: terms of a movie that is fun for August but

1012
01:00:16,200 --> 01:00:18,240
Speaker 1: also a horror movie, I mean, Casey, I don't know

1013
01:00:18,280 --> 01:00:20,280
Speaker 1: if you think have any thoughts on.

1014
01:00:20,240 --> 01:00:23,880
Speaker 2: That fun for August but also a horror movie. I

1015
01:00:23,960 --> 01:00:26,080
Speaker 2: do have one. Oh, go ahead, Okay. There is a

1016
01:00:26,160 --> 01:00:29,840
Speaker 2: movie that I'm obsessed with and it looks fabulous and

1017
01:00:30,480 --> 01:00:34,120
Speaker 2: it stars Mary warren Off and it's from nineteen eighty six.

1018
01:00:34,160 --> 01:00:38,840
Speaker 2: It's called Terror Vision. Oh yes, and it's a very

1019
01:00:38,920 --> 01:00:45,160
Speaker 2: bizarre but like bubblegum kind of looking movie about aliens

1020
01:00:45,200 --> 01:00:48,760
Speaker 2: coming through at satellite dish to like terrorize this family.

1021
01:00:48,800 --> 01:00:53,280
Speaker 2: But it's so silly and visually stunning and don't you

1022
01:00:53,320 --> 01:00:55,840
Speaker 2: don't really need to hear the It looks great. That's

1023
01:00:55,880 --> 01:00:58,440
Speaker 2: the thing. At parties like this, you wanted to like

1024
01:00:58,520 --> 01:01:02,080
Speaker 2: be visually like to entrance people so they don't have

1025
01:01:02,120 --> 01:01:04,880
Speaker 2: to like listen to what's going on. And I think

1026
01:01:05,000 --> 01:01:08,919
Speaker 2: Terror Vision is very silly and fun and campy, and

1027
01:01:09,120 --> 01:01:12,520
Speaker 2: I think it would be perfect. It's not scary at all,

1028
01:01:13,600 --> 01:01:17,160
Speaker 2: but but it looks great and I would highly recommend

1029
01:01:17,680 --> 01:01:21,240
Speaker 2: Terror Vision. Yes, that's my that's and it's kind of

1030
01:01:21,240 --> 01:01:23,880
Speaker 2: a summer movie because there's a lot of like, oh,

1031
01:01:23,920 --> 01:01:28,560
Speaker 2: we're barbecuing in the backyard kind of scenes like with

1032
01:01:28,760 --> 01:01:32,600
Speaker 2: it's kind of like pseudo nineteen fifties sort of weirdo

1033
01:01:32,800 --> 01:01:35,080
Speaker 2: kind of John Waters vibes a little bit, but with

1034
01:01:35,160 --> 01:01:40,160
Speaker 2: like aliens coming to kill the Nuclear family. And yeah,

1035
01:01:40,280 --> 01:01:42,240
Speaker 2: I highly recommend that, and I think that would work

1036
01:01:42,280 --> 01:01:43,040
Speaker 2: well at a party.

1037
01:01:43,120 --> 01:01:46,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, so that's great, that's I think a good Again,

1038
01:01:47,000 --> 01:01:50,640
Speaker 1: like with if without having a conversation about who's coming,

1039
01:01:51,000 --> 01:01:54,240
Speaker 1: that generally is a good I would say that's a

1040
01:01:54,240 --> 01:01:59,400
Speaker 1: good recommendation. But yeah, I encourage you to do some

1041
01:01:59,520 --> 01:02:02,360
Speaker 1: light race on your friends. I would love to go

1042
01:02:02,400 --> 01:02:04,680
Speaker 1: to a movie theater for someone's birthday party. And I

1043
01:02:04,680 --> 01:02:07,600
Speaker 1: feel like that's happening a little bit more now these

1044
01:02:07,680 --> 01:02:09,760
Speaker 1: days with some of my friends. They're doing stuff like that.

1045
01:02:09,840 --> 01:02:12,800
Speaker 1: So if I lived in Houston and he wanted me

1046
01:02:12,840 --> 01:02:14,200
Speaker 1: at your birthday party, I would come.

1047
01:02:15,520 --> 01:02:18,040
Speaker 2: Just throwing that out there, fabulous. Well, if anybody else

1048
01:02:18,200 --> 01:02:22,080
Speaker 2: would like, if anyone else needs advice, we're here for

1049
01:02:22,120 --> 01:02:26,439
Speaker 2: you film advice. We're your film advisors right into Dear

1050
01:02:26,480 --> 01:02:29,680
Speaker 2: Movies at Exactlyrightmedia Dot com, or you can leave a

1051
01:02:29,760 --> 01:02:33,720
Speaker 2: voicemail and you can just email that to the same

1052
01:02:33,720 --> 01:02:37,000
Speaker 2: email address, dear movies at exactly right media dot com.

1053
01:02:37,080 --> 01:02:41,240
Speaker 2: Keep the voicemail under a minute, and please record it

1054
01:02:41,240 --> 01:02:44,240
Speaker 2: in a quiet space. I don't want you recording, you know,

1055
01:02:44,960 --> 01:02:47,000
Speaker 2: in an actual roadhouse, because we wouldn't be able to

1056
01:02:47,040 --> 01:02:51,840
Speaker 2: hear you, you know. So anyways, moving on to employees picks,

1057
01:02:51,840 --> 01:02:54,600
Speaker 2: this is our film recommendation based on the theme of

1058
01:02:54,720 --> 01:02:59,000
Speaker 2: the discussion today. Millie, do you have an employee pick

1059
01:02:59,240 --> 01:03:00,400
Speaker 2: for our listeners today?

1060
01:03:01,160 --> 01:03:04,640
Speaker 1: We've pretty much named all of the boy band girl

1061
01:03:05,120 --> 01:03:06,760
Speaker 1: girl singers movies.

1062
01:03:06,880 --> 01:03:09,080
Speaker 2: I think if you name if you pick the same

1063
01:03:09,080 --> 01:03:11,560
Speaker 2: movie as me, I'm gonna be very mad. But continue.

1064
01:03:11,560 --> 01:03:16,920
Speaker 1: Okay, So I'm going a little sideways and I'm gonna

1065
01:03:16,960 --> 01:03:19,600
Speaker 1: pick this. So this is a movie from two thousand.

1066
01:03:19,760 --> 01:03:26,160
Speaker 1: This is a movie that features an actor that was

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Speaker 1: extremely popular in this particular era, which is why I

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Speaker 1: picked it. M He is the star of the American

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Speaker 1: Pie movies. The movie is called Loser from two thousand.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, yes, it's a teen rom com.

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Speaker 1: Basically it was actually directed by Amy Heckerling, who did,

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Speaker 1: of course, as you know, fast Times at Ridgemont, Hi, Clueless,

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Speaker 1: et cetera. This movie, now, I saw this movie when

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Speaker 1: it came out because it played a lot on cable

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Speaker 1: when it came out.

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Speaker 2: It is.

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Speaker 1: So charming, so charming, and like I said, when I

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Speaker 1: think about like this era, when I think about, like,

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Speaker 1: no disrespect to Jason Biggs. Okay, I don't know him,

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Speaker 1: I don't know his life, but you know he was

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Speaker 1: like the star of this really you know, huge franchise

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Speaker 1: in this era that was super raunchy and super kind

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Speaker 1: of like you know, I don't know, has anybody done

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Speaker 1: a critical reappraisal of the American Pie movies. I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if we should do that, but I'm

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Speaker 1: throwing it out there right. This movie is so cute

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Speaker 1: and charming. It was kind of like it kind of

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Speaker 1: feels a little like a like a Jack Lemon kind

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Speaker 1: of movie. Like he kind of plays this like Jack Lemon.

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Speaker 2: Was inspired by The Apartment.

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Speaker 1: Right exactly. So that's what I mean. It's like it's

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Speaker 1: got this like he plays this kind of like lovable

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Speaker 1: cutie who has you know, a crush on his on

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Speaker 1: one of his classmates who's played by Mina Suvar, who

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Speaker 1: you know was another person, right, wasn't she an American

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Speaker 1: pie too?

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Speaker 2: She was an American pie. Yeah. I don't know if

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Speaker 2: she was in the sequel, but she was in the

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Speaker 2: first one, right.

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Speaker 1: But you know again another actress who I feel like

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Speaker 1: is very emblematic of this era as well, but like

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Speaker 1: that doesn't so they kind of like have a thing.

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Speaker 1: She's like in love with an older guy and like

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Speaker 1: you know, he's trying to woo her, but he's also

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Speaker 1: kind of awkward and like you know, he's like a

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Speaker 1: Jack Lemon type. He's a lovable schlobby type of cuting.

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Speaker 1: So anyway, I loved this movie when it came out,

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Speaker 1: Like when I saw it, I was like, this feels

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Speaker 1: like so not the rest of these movies. I don't

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Speaker 1: know why. It has heart, it's like tender. They're what

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Speaker 1: are the actors in this movie? Zack Orth? Have you?

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Speaker 2: You know? Zack Worth is right love, He's great and

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Speaker 2: what hot Americans?

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Speaker 1: So yes, he is so good in this movie too,

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Speaker 1: Like he this is the movie that made me really

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Speaker 1: like him as an actor. You know who else is

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Speaker 1: in this movie? Dan Ackroyd is in this movie.

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Speaker 2: Ah, mister sad Dad himself yeah, and I just.

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Speaker 1: Like and I gotta tell you, in terms of music,

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Speaker 1: they this is maybe one of my absolute favorite end

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Speaker 1: songs that happens at the end of a film. I

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Speaker 1: think about it a lot, and now when I hear

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Speaker 1: the song, I think about this movie a little bit.

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Speaker 1: At the end credits spoiler alert, they play the song

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Speaker 1: no Myth by Michael Penn and I my heart explodes.

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Speaker 1: My heart simply explodes, And it's one of the best

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Speaker 1: uses of that song ever. And I love it at

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Speaker 1: the end of this movie. So that is my.

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Speaker 2: Well my pick. Also, Teenage dirt Bag from by weedst

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Speaker 2: is on the soundtrack for this movie. That's where this

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Speaker 2: song comes from. And the music video for Teenage dirt

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Speaker 2: Bag is Loser. It has clips from the movie Loser.

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Speaker 1: Wow, I did not know that. But it also has

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Speaker 1: like the soundtrack is like like it's got the Offspring

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Speaker 1: in Blink one eighty two and blood Hound Yang Remember Bloodhounding.

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Speaker 1: I kind of thought they were funny.

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Speaker 2: I'm not gonna lie, that's fine, that's fine.

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Speaker 1: I kind of thought they were funny. And also alien

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Speaker 1: Ant Farm anyway, another top of alien An Farm too,

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Speaker 1: but you know, like tall Tall Bachman She's so high

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Speaker 1: is in this.

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Speaker 2: Like yes, but a time.

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Speaker 1: This shit is stacked with this era of music. So anyway,

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Speaker 1: it's a great film, two thousand Loser, directed by Amy Heckling.

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Speaker 1: Please check it out.

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Speaker 2: Amazing, what a great suggestion. I have not seen this.

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Speaker 2: It's going on my watch list. It's right up my alley.

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Speaker 2: I gotta watch it. I am choosing a movie which

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Speaker 2: came out in the early two thousands and it's about

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Speaker 2: a band, okay, and it's called Josie and the Pussy

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Speaker 2: can Ah.

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Speaker 1: There we Go.

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Speaker 2: And this is such a of course, huge box office

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Speaker 2: bomb when it came out in two thousand and one.

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Speaker 2: It's with Rachel Lee Cook, Minneapolis Queen Rachel Lee Cooke,

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Speaker 2: Tara Reid, Rosario Dawson. They play a band from Riverdale

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Speaker 2: because it exists in the Archie universe. And it's just

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Speaker 2: a really funny commentary on like, you know, corporate intervention

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Speaker 2: in pop music and making fun of boy bands. And

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Speaker 2: there's like a really funny fake boy band called Dajore

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Speaker 2: that has like Seth Green and Donald Fason in it.

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Speaker 2: And it's a really funny, silly movie. Parker Posey's in it.

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Speaker 2: Alan Cummings in it, Missy Pyle is in it. It's

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Speaker 2: just like bright and loud and fun and the mute.

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Speaker 2: The score is really good and I feel like they

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Speaker 2: should have done something like this for Britney Spears, something

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Speaker 2: fun and silly. And you know, TRL is really included

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Speaker 2: in this movie with Carson. Carson daies in this movie

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Speaker 2: if you remember Tim and Tara Reid were together at

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Speaker 2: the time. It is directed by Harry L. Font and

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Speaker 2: Deborah Kaplan, who wrote and directed another movie I've talked

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Speaker 2: about in this show, Can't Hardly Wait. So yeah, check

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Speaker 2: it out. Josie and the Pussycats two thousand and one.

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Speaker 1: Gotta tell you, I hate to go in the horny territory.

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Speaker 1: Uh oh, but I listen. I'm a straight woman. I

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Speaker 1: am a straight woman unfortunately right because it's unfortunate. I

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Speaker 1: absolutely love Rosario Dawson, have for years.

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Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, Millie, Wow, what a day. We did it.

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Speaker 1: We did it.

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Speaker 2: We're at the end of our episode.

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Speaker 1: Can you believe how do you feel all about now

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Speaker 1: having gone back in time and thinking about your early

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Speaker 1: two thousand self?

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Speaker 2: Oh I did know self examination of myself. You know,

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Speaker 2: I don't know you know when I saw cross I

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Speaker 2: didn't bring this up. But when I saw Crossroads in

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Speaker 2: the theater, somebody saw it before me and they're like,

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Speaker 2: Britney Spears gets naked in this movie. And I was

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Speaker 2: like what. And I was like, this is Peachy's thirteen.

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Speaker 2: She can't get There's no way, There's no way. And

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Speaker 2: then I remember it with my friend and he's like,

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Speaker 2: when she gets naked in the movie, I'm gonna yell.

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Speaker 2: And I was like, got it And it didn't happen.

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Speaker 2: She doesn't get naked in it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, she gets skimpy.

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Speaker 2: She gets skimpy.

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Speaker 1: And I will say she has the most even tan

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Speaker 1: I have ever seen in my entire life.

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Speaker 2: Sure, like there's no different machine. Yes.

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Speaker 1: I was like they got every nook and cranny of that.

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Speaker 1: When they did her spray tan, I was so impressed.

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Speaker 2: So have you ever heard John Early do his Britney

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Speaker 2: Spears impressions? No? Do you know who John Early is?

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Speaker 1: Okay, don't even fucking joke.

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Speaker 2: I will send you clips of him singing lucky and

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Speaker 2: I'll sing I saw him in concert and he's saying

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Speaker 2: over protected and it's very good. He's it's like a

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Speaker 2: spot on Britney impression.

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Speaker 1: Have you seen him do his boy band dance like

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Speaker 1: especially like the web the fuck Donald Trump dance where

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Speaker 1: he does his like this is like Backstreet Boy. I

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Speaker 1: mean that guy.

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Speaker 2: I've seen everything. John Early has every AnyWho, moving on,

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Speaker 2: This is the end of our show. Yeah, thank you

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Speaker 2: for writing in for film advice again. You can send

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Speaker 2: all your questions to Dear Movies at exactlyrightmedia dot com.

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Speaker 2: Mainly where can people follow us on social media?

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Speaker 1: So yeah, follow us on uh Instagram and Facebook. We

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Speaker 1: are at dear Movies. I love you. Just let you know.

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Speaker 1: Back by popular demand, Casey and I are going to

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Speaker 1: do another Instagram live. This time it's going to be

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Speaker 1: April ninth, So that's upcoming. That's Wednesday. It's going to

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Speaker 1: be at eight pm Eastern. Yeah, so come on, come forward.

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Speaker 2: Come on down, bring get a babysitter.

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Speaker 1: You know, quit your job if you have to, like

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Speaker 1: do whatever you have to do, like reschedule that leg surgery,

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Speaker 1: like do whatever you have to do. But yeah, so Wednesday,

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Speaker 1: April ninth, eight pm Eastern Instagram Live, we'll be there.

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Speaker 2: We'll be there. Last one was really fun, fabulous and

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Speaker 2: if you want to follow us on letterboxed do so at,

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Speaker 2: Casey le O'Brien and m de Cherco. Oh, Millie, thank

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Speaker 2: you again for another wonderful episode. This was wonderful. I

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Speaker 2: really could dedicate several more episodes. We might have to

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Speaker 2: crack open this subject again.

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Speaker 1: I like how we're lied on it for sure, because

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Speaker 1: we've got so much to say and we didn't say half.

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Speaker 2: I think we left a lot a lot on the

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Speaker 2: cutting room floor.

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Speaker 1: Maybe this will be a multi part let's go, let's see.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean this is this podcast is going to

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Speaker 2: go for the next twenty thirty years probably, so we've

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Speaker 2: got to fill it somehow. Well, thank you Millie for

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Speaker 2: making a great podcast with me.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, thank you bye everyone Bye. This has been an

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Speaker 1: exactly right production hosted by me Milli to Cherico and

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Speaker 1: produced by my co host Casey O'Brien.

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Speaker 2: This episode was mixed by Tom Bryfogel. Our associate producer

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Speaker 2: is Christina Chamberlain, our guest booker is Patrick Cottner, and

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Speaker 2: our artwork is by Vanessa Lilac.

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Speaker 1: Our incredible theme music is by the best band in

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Speaker 1: the entire world, The Softies.

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Speaker 2: Thank you to our executive producers Karen Kilgareff, Georgia hart Stark,

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Speaker 2: Daniel Kramer and Millie to Jericho. We love you. Goodbye,

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Speaker 2: Beker