1 00:00:01,920 --> 00:00:06,640 Speaker 1: Welcome to brain Stuff, a production of iHeart Radio. Hey 2 00:00:06,720 --> 00:00:10,959 Speaker 1: brain Stuff, Lauren Vogelbaum. Here, at some point, let's just 3 00:00:11,119 --> 00:00:14,440 Speaker 1: say around two hundred and sixty million years ago, Earth 4 00:00:14,800 --> 00:00:20,239 Speaker 1: got turtles. They look strange in these our modern mammalion times, 5 00:00:20,320 --> 00:00:24,360 Speaker 1: when lots of things are squishy and unarmored, But during 6 00:00:24,520 --> 00:00:28,240 Speaker 1: the Late Permian epoch, those early turtles were dressed in 7 00:00:28,280 --> 00:00:32,400 Speaker 1: all the latest fashions, short sturdy legs, bony plates, and 8 00:00:32,440 --> 00:00:37,600 Speaker 1: a stiff splayed crawling strut. Shortly after turtles made their 9 00:00:37,600 --> 00:00:42,160 Speaker 1: evolutionary arrival, a fairly standard Earth thing happened a mass 10 00:00:42,200 --> 00:00:46,880 Speaker 1: extinction event. Although mass extinctions have happened with some regularity 11 00:00:46,920 --> 00:00:49,800 Speaker 1: on our planet, this one was a doozy, and it 12 00:00:49,840 --> 00:00:52,240 Speaker 1: wiped out almost all of the life in the oceans 13 00:00:52,280 --> 00:00:55,360 Speaker 1: and over two thirds of the vertebrates on land. The 14 00:00:55,440 --> 00:00:58,560 Speaker 1: things that survived had to have been pretty good at survival, 15 00:00:59,160 --> 00:01:03,200 Speaker 1: and it turns out turtles were. But we spoke about 16 00:01:03,280 --> 00:01:06,480 Speaker 1: email with Laura Smith, a research scientists who specializes in 17 00:01:06,560 --> 00:01:09,760 Speaker 1: herpetology at the Jones Center at ITUA, which is an 18 00:01:09,800 --> 00:01:13,280 Speaker 1: organization in Newton, Georgia that promotes excellence and natural resource 19 00:01:13,360 --> 00:01:18,080 Speaker 1: management and conservation. She said, turtles have a really successful 20 00:01:18,120 --> 00:01:20,839 Speaker 1: body form that hasn't changed all that much over time. 21 00:01:21,400 --> 00:01:24,839 Speaker 1: They've retained the primitive shell, which is a really protective, 22 00:01:25,000 --> 00:01:28,320 Speaker 1: safe body design. Also, turtles live in a lot of 23 00:01:28,360 --> 00:01:32,760 Speaker 1: different habitats. They're aquatic and also terrestrial, so living in 24 00:01:32,760 --> 00:01:35,280 Speaker 1: a lot of different habitats has allowed them to persist. 25 00:01:36,760 --> 00:01:41,640 Speaker 1: So well, what's the difference between tortoises and turtles. All 26 00:01:41,680 --> 00:01:44,559 Speaker 1: of the animals alive today that protect themselves with a shell, 27 00:01:44,840 --> 00:01:47,920 Speaker 1: which is basically just a modified rib cage, are in 28 00:01:47,960 --> 00:01:51,520 Speaker 1: the order test studinies. Collectively, we call this group of 29 00:01:51,560 --> 00:01:55,320 Speaker 1: animals turtles, but individually we might call them different things 30 00:01:55,360 --> 00:01:59,120 Speaker 1: based on where they live and some morphological and physiological traits. 31 00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:03,639 Speaker 1: Hortoises are a group that are generally always found on land. 32 00:02:04,640 --> 00:02:07,920 Speaker 1: Smith said, they say that not all turtles are tortoises, 33 00:02:07,960 --> 00:02:12,560 Speaker 1: but all tortoises are turtles. The turtles are organisms with 34 00:02:12,600 --> 00:02:15,440 Speaker 1: a shell which might be in water or might be 35 00:02:15,520 --> 00:02:20,200 Speaker 1: on land. A tortoise is a type of turtle. In general, 36 00:02:20,240 --> 00:02:23,359 Speaker 1: both turtles and tortoises, as well as other reptiles, lay 37 00:02:23,400 --> 00:02:27,200 Speaker 1: their eggs on land. It's what makes them different from amphibians, 38 00:02:27,240 --> 00:02:29,880 Speaker 1: which need water for egg laying and at least part 39 00:02:29,919 --> 00:02:33,840 Speaker 1: of their life cycle. Because tortoises are a type of turtle, 40 00:02:34,120 --> 00:02:36,919 Speaker 1: it's difficult to lay down hard and fast rules about 41 00:02:36,919 --> 00:02:41,359 Speaker 1: what makes something tortoises rather than turtle ish. But in general, 42 00:02:41,440 --> 00:02:44,640 Speaker 1: tortoises are always found on land, whereas turtles can be 43 00:02:44,680 --> 00:02:47,919 Speaker 1: found in aquatic or marine habitats as well as land. 44 00:02:48,880 --> 00:02:52,200 Speaker 1: Smith said turtles and tortoises look different because of where 45 00:02:52,200 --> 00:02:55,160 Speaker 1: they live. A sea turtle is only found in the ocean. 46 00:02:55,639 --> 00:02:57,720 Speaker 1: The females are the only ones that come on land, 47 00:02:57,760 --> 00:03:00,960 Speaker 1: and that's just to lay eggs. They have four legs, 48 00:03:00,960 --> 00:03:04,000 Speaker 1: but the front legs are almost like wings or paddles. 49 00:03:04,440 --> 00:03:06,639 Speaker 1: They're not great for moving around on land at all 50 00:03:06,720 --> 00:03:10,640 Speaker 1: because they're adapted for swimming quickly. Their shells have a low, 51 00:03:10,760 --> 00:03:14,480 Speaker 1: flat profile for cutting through the water. Compare that to 52 00:03:14,520 --> 00:03:17,519 Speaker 1: a Galapa ghost tortoise, for example, whose body can weigh 53 00:03:17,560 --> 00:03:19,800 Speaker 1: up to nine d and twenty pounds that's almost four 54 00:03:20,000 --> 00:03:23,720 Speaker 1: d and twenty kilos. With stocky, elefantine legs, a high 55 00:03:23,720 --> 00:03:26,760 Speaker 1: domed shell, and big scales on their exposed skin to 56 00:03:26,840 --> 00:03:30,480 Speaker 1: protect them from predators, they wouldn't last long in the ocean, 57 00:03:30,800 --> 00:03:34,320 Speaker 1: but luckily they don't have to. The Smith said, for 58 00:03:34,360 --> 00:03:37,200 Speaker 1: the most part, there's not really one characteristic that tells 59 00:03:37,240 --> 00:03:39,680 Speaker 1: you whether something is a tortoise or a turtle. But 60 00:03:39,760 --> 00:03:41,640 Speaker 1: it's pretty clear. If you see a little turtle on 61 00:03:41,640 --> 00:03:43,280 Speaker 1: the side of the road and it has a sort 62 00:03:43,320 --> 00:03:47,320 Speaker 1: of flattened shell profile, webbed feet in the back, smooth skin, 63 00:03:47,400 --> 00:03:50,560 Speaker 1: and some brighter colors, that's going to be a turtle. 64 00:03:51,160 --> 00:03:55,480 Speaker 1: The tortoises have a heavier, more domed shell and subdued colors. 65 00:03:57,080 --> 00:04:01,760 Speaker 1: As usual, the terminology can be confusing. Box turtles, for instance, 66 00:04:01,760 --> 00:04:04,280 Speaker 1: which are widespread in the United States in Central America 67 00:04:04,600 --> 00:04:07,440 Speaker 1: and don't really swim or spend much time in the water, 68 00:04:07,680 --> 00:04:11,160 Speaker 1: but they're still considered turtles rather than tortoises. And then 69 00:04:11,160 --> 00:04:13,680 Speaker 1: there are the terrapins, which is the name given to 70 00:04:13,720 --> 00:04:17,360 Speaker 1: aquatic turtles in the United Kingdom. In the US, aquatic 71 00:04:17,360 --> 00:04:20,440 Speaker 1: turtles are just called turtles, with the exception of the 72 00:04:20,520 --> 00:04:23,839 Speaker 1: diamond back terrapin, which lives in brackish water in tidal 73 00:04:23,880 --> 00:04:28,279 Speaker 1: marshes in the eastern United States. Both tortoises and turtles 74 00:04:28,279 --> 00:04:31,000 Speaker 1: have made themselves at home on this planet. We find 75 00:04:31,080 --> 00:04:34,560 Speaker 1: both on every continent other than Antarctica. With one exception, 76 00:04:35,080 --> 00:04:40,120 Speaker 1: there are no tortoise species native to Australia. Smith said 77 00:04:40,520 --> 00:04:43,800 Speaker 1: the greatest diversity of aquatic turtles are in Southeast Asia 78 00:04:43,880 --> 00:04:47,400 Speaker 1: and in the southeastern United States. The greatest tortoise bio 79 00:04:47,400 --> 00:04:50,480 Speaker 1: diversity is in South Africa. And there used to be 80 00:04:50,560 --> 00:04:53,320 Speaker 1: more giant tortoises across the world, but now there are 81 00:04:53,360 --> 00:04:57,000 Speaker 1: just remnants on the Galapagos and Aldebra places like that. 82 00:04:57,640 --> 00:05:02,440 Speaker 1: Giant tortoises do occasionally disperse, or more likely drift across oceans, 83 00:05:02,839 --> 00:05:06,840 Speaker 1: basically by surviving for weeks or months bobbing around. In 84 00:05:06,920 --> 00:05:09,840 Speaker 1: recent years, an aldebrand tortoise with barnacles on its shell 85 00:05:10,120 --> 00:05:13,520 Speaker 1: washed up in East Africa, and that's not bad for 86 00:05:13,640 --> 00:05:21,360 Speaker 1: something that started its life in the Indian Ocean. Today's 87 00:05:21,360 --> 00:05:24,039 Speaker 1: episode was written by Jesceline Shields and produced by Tyler Clang. 88 00:05:24,520 --> 00:05:26,440 Speaker 1: For more on this and lots of other curious topics, 89 00:05:26,560 --> 00:05:29,160 Speaker 1: is it has to Works dot Com brainstuff this production 90 00:05:29,160 --> 00:05:31,520 Speaker 1: of iHeart Radio. For more podcasts from my heart Radio, 91 00:05:31,640 --> 00:05:34,320 Speaker 1: visit the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you 92 00:05:34,360 --> 00:05:35,520 Speaker 1: listen to your favorite shows.