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Speaker 1: Welcome to Jay dot Dell, a production of I Heart Radio. Hi,

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Speaker 1: it's still Scott and we're here for Jay dot il

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Speaker 1: the podcast and with my sister friends La Yas sat Clair, Yes, ma'am,

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Speaker 1: that's me, yes ma'am, President St Clair, Yes, St Claire.

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Speaker 1: I used to say sint Clair. It's it was that first.

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Speaker 1: It's okay. You know Slavery didn't funk it all up anyway, Jill,

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Speaker 1: So you know I can't even claim the classiness of

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Speaker 1: the name. Wow and age grating danceller. Sorry too much, Danzla, Danzla.

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Speaker 1: There it is. I wish I could have had a

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Speaker 1: couple more syllables. I mean a couple of more syllables.

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Speaker 1: Been nice. You have a three letter name with two

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Speaker 1: syllables aga, I do, I do, and yet people still

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Speaker 1: can never say it correct. Its shocking. You're a continent.

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Speaker 1: It's a a jo look a jaw like jah Rostafar. Okay,

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Speaker 1: apparently today we've had some coffee. We have, We've had

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Speaker 1: several cups, a little bit a little sweet on us today. Um,

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Speaker 1: we're talking about how to move on from where we

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Speaker 1: are now? Where are we now? Trump has been I

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Speaker 1: think he's been put out of office. It looks like

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Speaker 1: it looks like not pysically, but he will be yes.

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Speaker 1: Currently he's still held up in the White House. Um,

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Speaker 1: I am looking forward to the day seeing him out

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Speaker 1: of it, Yo, scramping about, scrapping about to come and wrap,

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Speaker 1: scramming about to be like, Yo, you don't get your

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Speaker 1: ass off up out of here. We're gonna do it

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Speaker 1: for you. I need a slow motion. I need it.

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Speaker 1: I need a slow motion so that I could just

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Speaker 1: watch it over and over again. Well, I I don't know,

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I would like it to be I

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Speaker 1: like the Obama's to be present when he gets kicked out,

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Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Just because they had to

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Speaker 1: say face in sixteen and walk that motherfucker through the

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Speaker 1: White House like they like this. No, I'm sorry, I'm sorry.

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Speaker 1: I gotta no no, no no, no, no no, it's applicable right there, okay, okay, yeah,

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Speaker 1: right there and sit in the office and and she

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Speaker 1: they even left notes for these motherfuck us like I

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Speaker 1: just I'm sorry, all extensive notes. That's that's what it's class.

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Speaker 1: I'm tired on your ass and I'm very very interested

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Speaker 1: in us publicly getting to see them drag him on

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Speaker 1: out of there. I almost don't want him to leave.

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Speaker 1: I want him to be there on the twenty one

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Speaker 1: Or is it in January twenty one? Is the very

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Speaker 1: last day? The last day is or I want to

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Speaker 1: see the Secret Service switch over and grab him by

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Speaker 1: the ankles and slide him out the front door the floor.

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Speaker 1: I've been to the White House a couple of times,

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Speaker 1: and what I liked about how they kick you out

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Speaker 1: is the they're like, I guess they're in the military.

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Speaker 1: Who wears white, the Marines, some kind of white fans,

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Speaker 1: But I honestly don't know which part of the military

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Speaker 1: they were in. But they were smoothed. What they do

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Speaker 1: is they kind of heard you out. So everybody's having

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Speaker 1: all of a sudden, the white suits come in a

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Speaker 1: then they move forward and you move a little bit

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Speaker 1: like a wall. It's like a wall, and they're smiling

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Speaker 1: the whole time and listening to the music too. It

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Speaker 1: wasn't uncomfortable. Next thing, you know, you're outside. Can I

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Speaker 1: just say to the people that Jill is talking about

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Speaker 1: a very interesting experience because number one, I believe you

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Speaker 1: are talking about an Obama white house experience. Number two,

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Speaker 1: you are talking about Obama white House party experience I E.

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Speaker 1: D b ET closing party, which I'm gonna say to you, Jill,

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Speaker 1: that white house that gone whatever you saw that white house,

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Speaker 1: That white house was the once in another life with

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Speaker 1: Did I tell you that they at one of those events?

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Speaker 1: I went to five of them. Oh, they invited me back, honey,

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Speaker 1: so I every time. It was a great experience. At

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Speaker 1: first one where I took my mom and they had

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Speaker 1: watermelon and fried chicken. And I ate that watermelon so hard.

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Speaker 1: the half story, Jail. It's more things than watermelon. Please

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Speaker 1: tell me. It was more than watermelon and chicken. It

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Speaker 1: And did it? Did sound nasty? But I ate it

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Speaker 1: start doing the little dance, you know, so like black

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Speaker 1: I'm black chicken and a white hu. We did poses.

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Speaker 1: Everybody posed in front of George Washington the picture Who squatted?

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Speaker 1: Did anybody? We all did everybody You're not having a camera,

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Speaker 1: but everybody did it. Everybody's like how you like now?

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Speaker 1: A lot of how you like me? Out? It felt great?

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Speaker 1: Was the electric slide. Every possible dance was wobbled. That

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Speaker 1: was done. The party didn't end. The last party didn't

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Speaker 1: entil five am. Can you break down what the bathroom

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Speaker 1: looks like in the White House Hill? Which one? Did

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Speaker 1: they look different? Would would they look different? Are the

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Speaker 1: different decor? Is it like the Ebony building where every

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Speaker 1: color it's a different color on every floor. That's how

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Speaker 1: they building like the bathroom, like, just give me it wasn't.

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Speaker 1: I don't have a glowing recommendation of the bathrooms. I

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Speaker 1: can tell you that they were wallpapered and they were efficient. Okay.

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Speaker 1: The rooms coming from those bathrooms were had plates and

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Speaker 1: and things that were hundreds of years old, you know,

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Speaker 1: memory re bilia from other presidents. You know that Trump's

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Speaker 1: picture portrait will be hanging in the White House, is it? No? No? No,

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Speaker 1: that have they confirmed that they confirmed? No? No, I

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Speaker 1: don't know. I don't. He didn't hang You know that

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Speaker 1: he did not hang Obama's picture, So actually I don't.

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Speaker 1: I don't. I promise you that, yes, Obama's picture is

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Speaker 1: not in the White House. I promise you that there's

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Speaker 1: something really going on. I mean, everybody knows this, we're

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Speaker 1: just talking about it. There's really something there where you're

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Speaker 1: The words are big mad, big mad. I mean from

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Speaker 1: the physicality to the education, he is everything that that

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Speaker 1: I just feel like that portraits do be looking at

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Speaker 1: and that brother just sitting in the chair like he

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Speaker 1: is in his portrait. You're just looking at you. And

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Speaker 1: the portrait was done so well, unlike any other portrait

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Speaker 1: really just figure out what's gonna happen next, Like how

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Speaker 1: little linger, the language bothering me. Well, here's the issue,

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Speaker 1: and you know that the linger is not is not

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Speaker 1: all the fault of the incoming president. The linger is

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Speaker 1: there is not a graceful transition, not even a transition team.

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Speaker 1: not just because like Dr Fauci said, you can't stop

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Speaker 1: the game and started again. They've gotta be a you know,

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Speaker 1: transition to be smooth, like people have to work together

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Speaker 1: like this, this is this is necessary. But it's just

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Speaker 1: like it's the the instability and the the disregard and

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Speaker 1: it's beyond beyond. It is beyond beyond. And we still

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Speaker 1: the scary part, right, because we've had the most ever

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Speaker 1: means that, yeah, like you said, seventies six million people

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Speaker 1: female I mean womanism. You know what I'm saying, feminism

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Speaker 1: But I'm very clear in terms of what white women

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Speaker 1: which was coined by Alice Walker, if I'm not mistaken,

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Speaker 1: because I know that was meant for me. M hm.

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Speaker 1: So I like to use terms I know of for me.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for breaking that down because I was somewhat

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Speaker 1: unclear on the woman as a versus feminism. So I

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Speaker 1: appreciate that Alice Walker must respect that. Well. I'll tell

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Speaker 1: you what I want to see as this man leaves office.

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Speaker 1: This is so many things this man as he leaves office,

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Speaker 1: I definitely need us. And I'm gonna just going to

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Speaker 1: say me, we have to start really paying attention to

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Speaker 1: politics within our community down the Who's block, Captain. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we really have to talk about who's running for office

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Speaker 1: so that we can get It's like it's like training

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Speaker 1: It's the same thing within our government, Like we have

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Speaker 1: to choose well and UM support the people that are

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Speaker 1: attempting to make changes in our society, like really support them.

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Speaker 1: If nothing else, We've learned this. If nothing else, We've

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Speaker 1: learned this because the clear blue sky, some whack ass

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Speaker 1: we're still doing the same thing. That the laws remain

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Speaker 1: the same in so many areas, Like Okay, in the Bible,

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Speaker 1: you know, um, you could have your hand cut off

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Speaker 1: for stealing the local bread. M Um. In the Koran, um,

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Speaker 1: you have to wash yourself before you pray. Right, Yeah.

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Speaker 1: My my thoughts here are that I always felt like

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Speaker 1: with with the with the Koran in that particular area,

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Speaker 1: like sometimes or you can't be have been with a

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Speaker 1: woman before you pray, like you have to wash your body.

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Speaker 1: But I'm like, sometimes my best prayers are in the

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Speaker 1: middle of sex. So oh, my Lord Jesus, and how

435
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Speaker 1: does that? How does that work? You know? And things

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Speaker 1: are in practice and are part of how detheran they're

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Speaker 1: not exactly written in the Koran. But also there are

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Speaker 1: also um things. They are also um exemptions. If you're

439
00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:45,600
Speaker 1: in the desert and there is no water, right you

440
00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:47,520
Speaker 1: can strike the earth. I mean, there's not so different.

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Speaker 1: You know. Islam has a lot of a lot of details.

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Speaker 1: I find that to be very fair. The more detailed

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Speaker 1: the better. Yes, lots of details. A lot of people

444
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Speaker 1: like to you know, they get the kind of surface part,

445
00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:05,640
Speaker 1: but there's lots of allowances details, things that go into

446
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Speaker 1: real life. I think that what happened when the real

447
00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:14,240
Speaker 1: life happens. Yes, real life. Okay, So if you have

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Speaker 1: two presidential candidates and uh, they're very very close to

449
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Speaker 1: one another. Um, let's I would say that at that point,

450
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Speaker 1: if they're very close to each other but nobody really

451
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Speaker 1: likes either of them, then we need to have another

452
00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:31,280
Speaker 1: vote to see who gets to stay, and whoever gets

453
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Speaker 1: to stay has to come up against another candidate that

454
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Speaker 1: we vote for. But then we have to create like

455
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Speaker 1: a deadline because we could do this and keep doing

456
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Speaker 1: this until because there is no perfect candidate either. There

457
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Speaker 1: is no perfect candidate. But we shouldn't be in a

458
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Speaker 1: position where we don't like either. Well, we were dealing

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Speaker 1: with Hillary Clinton and um, Donald Trump. You know, I

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Speaker 1: didn't know ultimately, Like I said, this is the part,

461
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Speaker 1: this is the problem with the two party system. However, Um,

462
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Speaker 1: this country is not that old, that's the other thing.

463
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Speaker 1: But they hold onto the as a United States quote unquote,

464
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Speaker 1: it's just over a hundred years old. The rules like

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Speaker 1: they can't be changed, like they can't be manipulated for

466
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Speaker 1: the for the benefit of the people. But yet they

467
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Speaker 1: are still ever changing, right, Because if they weren't ever changing,

468
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Speaker 1: the Supreme Court wouldn't be such a big deal. All

469
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Speaker 1: these these issues with US holding making sure the Supreme

470
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Speaker 1: Court is fair and balance and whatnot wouldn't be such

471
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Speaker 1: a big deal because they're constantly making rulings over things

472
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Speaker 1: that are ever changing. Abortion is ever changing, right, same

473
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Speaker 1: thing with the Voting Rights Act, Like they're just I mean,

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Speaker 1: there's a whole case of things. L G. B. T

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Speaker 1: q I writes like these are new things that they

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Speaker 1: had to create new laws and you know, rewrite certain

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Speaker 1: things don't you think we're in a constant kind of

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Speaker 1: rewrite in a way, it's just on who's rewriting at

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Speaker 1: the time. Yeah, because there you go, there you go.

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Speaker 1: Now that's a word who is doing the writing? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: the rewriting is not the issue. It's who's doing the

482
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Speaker 1: writing is the issue. And does that reflect those people

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Speaker 1: who are living in this country? And does that reflect

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Speaker 1: the best interests of the people who are living in

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Speaker 1: this country or the people who are less likely to

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Speaker 1: have an optimum experience in this country. So it's like

487
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Speaker 1: it's really more so about like who we're trying to

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Speaker 1: serve and are we serving them well? And that question

489
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Speaker 1: is gonna be ever changing because the landscape of the

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Speaker 1: country will be different over time. The country will not

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Speaker 1: look exactly the same that the way it did in

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Speaker 1: nineteen twenty. Right, That's why your cabinet should not look

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Speaker 1: like the same cabinet from a president in the twenties,

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Speaker 1: i e. Donald Trump's cabinet for the last four years. Right,

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Speaker 1: And let's just be fair, the nineteen twenty cabinets shouldn't

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Speaker 1: have looked that way either. No, but right, so you're

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Speaker 1: talking about nineteen twenties and that that's like the year

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Speaker 1: that women got the right to vote, the right to vote, correct,

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Speaker 1: twenties something around that time. So at that time, our

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Speaker 1: leadership wasn't reflecting its people right, even with the women.

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Speaker 1: You say the white should have been more white women,

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Speaker 1: It should have been more black women, should have been

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Speaker 1: more Native women. I'm tying frond the gate from the

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Speaker 1: onset of this country, like the country is very young,

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Speaker 1: and then on top of that, from the onset of

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Speaker 1: the writing of the constitution is written by flaming racists,

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Speaker 1: you know. So, and so as of today, we just

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Speaker 1: actually started to be able to say that, and we

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Speaker 1: just started to be able to say that, so things

510
00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:35,400
Speaker 1: are so much in their infancy stages and and thus

511
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Speaker 1: getting to the point where we can have conversations and

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Speaker 1: decisions and leadership that reflects the conversations and decisions that

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Speaker 1: we're making personally in within our communities, and that leadership

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Speaker 1: reflects that. That's new. Think about this, y'all. Juneteenth just

515
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Speaker 1: came into the mainstream and twenty that's when corporations was like, oh,

516
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Speaker 1: that's the thing, Like, oh, we can sell you all

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Speaker 1: some ship on this day. It is young, but we're

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Speaker 1: talking about you know, my great grandmother's time, my grandmother's time,

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Speaker 1: my mother's time, my time, you know. Yeah, not to

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Speaker 1: be backing off of Baldwin, but I the bourbage does

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Speaker 1: have to change. Yeah, and change. We're in a state

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Speaker 1: it will change. It even has to change. And we

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Speaker 1: as a society have to pay attention to who we're

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Speaker 1: putting in office and why we're putting them in office.

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Speaker 1: It gets dangerous. It's just like with pastors, you know,

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Speaker 1: or or any kind of religious figure. It's the why

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Speaker 1: you're here that counts, not that you're here, it's the

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Speaker 1: why what is your purpose now? Is before it was

529
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Speaker 1: just we needed to be in the room. It's funny

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Speaker 1: you say that, Jill, because you made me think of

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Speaker 1: like a race that we had out here for district

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Speaker 1: attorney against this woman, Jackie Lacey, who's a black woman, right,

533
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Speaker 1: And so at some point it was just like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: a black woman district attorney that should be in the conversation, right,

535
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Speaker 1: but this black woman is not really for black lives matter.

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Speaker 1: They've and protesting at her house in front of her

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Speaker 1: house this whole time, and all this other stuff. So

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Speaker 1: now we're getting to a point to where like we've

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Speaker 1: discussed before. There are layers to us as a people.

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Speaker 1: Right she black, or she might not be for you, right, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: this this reminds me of conversations we had about Kamalade

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Speaker 1: Harris before before the election. What was just like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: come on, guys, we can't be so not that we

544
00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:46,000
Speaker 1: should ignore representation. Representation is a big deal, but not

545
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Speaker 1: that we should ignore representation, but that we should be

546
00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:53,239
Speaker 1: able to critique representation. We shouldn't be able to have

547
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Speaker 1: um to to to think critically about it and to say, hey, hey,

548
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Speaker 1: this is it's not just about having someone there. It's

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00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:02,239
Speaker 1: just about it's about the align with our values and

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Speaker 1: the values of those who are most vulnerable amongst us.

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Speaker 1: And that's fair. We just got to the point where

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00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:13,239
Speaker 1: we can do that, right because we wanted to be

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00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:17,879
Speaker 1: in Yes, yes, just got to that point. I say

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Speaker 1: that to say, Jill, sometimes we got to remind ourselves

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Speaker 1: to be persistent, be active, but also at some point

556
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Speaker 1: be patient with our movement, like I mean, and acknowledge

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Speaker 1: that we have had movement in progress in this small

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Speaker 1: amount of time, not to say we stop and we

559
00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:35,719
Speaker 1: slow down, but also just give yourself a little bit

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Speaker 1: of credit. A little bit of credit. I'm saying that

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Speaker 1: from now on, I'm gonna wear I'm gonna wear some

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Speaker 1: kind of slipper when I come down the steps, because

563
00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:52,880
Speaker 1: slid in the fuzzy socks and bust my ship, you

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Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. From the point moving forward, Yes,

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Speaker 1: my person lead am going to make it a point

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Speaker 1: to pay attention to who's in office. In my vocality,

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Speaker 1: there's a chance for me to vote that, I'm going

568
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Speaker 1: to do it because what happened is a whole racist,

569
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Speaker 1: negative asshole who had no no relationship with with people

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00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:28,920
Speaker 1: with the with regular human beings in this world, no

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Speaker 1: relationship with them whatsoever, became president of the United States. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and it happens because it happens on the local level. Two,

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Speaker 1: I'm with you on that. I will say this too.

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Speaker 1: In addition to paying attention to local politics, there's a

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Speaker 1: there is a section of people that go absolutely ignored

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Speaker 1: by people who are generally voting, and that is your

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Speaker 1: community activists. It's like there's a disconnect there, you know,

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Speaker 1: in terms of listning to the work, listening to what

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Speaker 1: they have to say, and listening to the work that

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Speaker 1: they do. Because the work that they do is directly

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Speaker 1: tied into service and the service of the people in

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Speaker 1: the community who are the most vulnerable. If you are

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Speaker 1: only really looking at the platform of you know, politicians

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Speaker 1: when they come up for office, you know, how can

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Speaker 1: you really I mean, you're looking at their platform. They're

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Speaker 1: saying that's what they believe in. But the local activists

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00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:30,680
Speaker 1: and the community folks, they're keeping those people honest. And

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Speaker 1: I'm saying, no, we don't know you well. You when X,

589
00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:38,279
Speaker 1: Y and Z happened. Because I'll say this about a

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Speaker 1: local a local election that happened here in this neighborhood.

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Speaker 1: I want to say that the people were I remember

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Speaker 1: a certain person was running and I called my elder.

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Speaker 1: I was like, she ain't talking such as such, you

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Speaker 1: know her? She was like, oh no, I did three events.

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Speaker 1: I invited all the candidates. That person never showed up.

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Speaker 1: That person never showed up. I don't know who that

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Speaker 1: person is. I'll call, make another couple of com phone

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Speaker 1: calls and I'll tell you. So it's like it's that

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Speaker 1: kind of thing, is that we have to be able

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Speaker 1: to communicate with each other and those who are doing

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Speaker 1: community work and service when they understand some things that

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Speaker 1: we don't those of us who are getting up going

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Speaker 1: to work every day, minding our business, doing X, Y

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Speaker 1: and Z. We're not doing that work. That's not our ministry.

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Speaker 1: But we owe it to them and the work that

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Speaker 1: they do to take their word for it. And I

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Speaker 1: think there's a bit of a disconnect with that its

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Speaker 1: at the local level. On the local level, however, I

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Speaker 1: do want to pick up Black Lives Matter in a

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Speaker 1: way because I feel like they have at least this

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Speaker 1: election became a great kind of McDonald's sense of that

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Speaker 1: being that Glass Roots organized the exactly. And I say

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Speaker 1: that to say that they gave it was a time

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Speaker 1: when I'm looking at I told John and Cally, it's

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Speaker 1: a large study book for the ballot, so many things

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Speaker 1: you have to vote on, right. But what Black Lives

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Speaker 1: Matter did was they made themselves, uh, the central person

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Speaker 1: for all local elections and gave you a checklist of

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Speaker 1: kind of like at least who rose with them? Right.

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Speaker 1: So then on a local level, which was like, okay,

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Speaker 1: so you roll with them? Now I decide do I

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Speaker 1: roll with you? Because of this and because of all

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Speaker 1: these other things that I know. So I also say

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Speaker 1: that to say that Asia, I think that too, is

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Speaker 1: a process that we're in the midst of that. I

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Speaker 1: want to acknowledge that we might have been not so

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Speaker 1: progressive about four years ago, but I think that what

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump has done has made us forced us to

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Speaker 1: be more part of the situation where we didn't understand

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Speaker 1: the power of our territories, our states, the electoral college,

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Speaker 1: our local the registrars, you know, the importance of the

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Speaker 1: person who actually is in charge of voter registration in

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Speaker 1: your local municipality. Like thank you to to to my

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Speaker 1: girl Stacy Abrams, because she brought that up. So again,

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Speaker 1: I just I'm acknowledged. I want to acknowledge that we

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Speaker 1: learned and we're getting there. We're watching more MSNBC and

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00:40:51,080 --> 00:40:54,040
Speaker 1: we trust them. Believe those people who were organizing under

638
00:40:54,040 --> 00:40:58,000
Speaker 1: BLM locally, they were most definitely the same folks that

639
00:40:58,120 --> 00:41:02,200
Speaker 1: have been organizing all the law with their own organizations

640
00:41:02,200 --> 00:41:04,840
Speaker 1: and their own stuff. They just happened to also be

641
00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:08,240
Speaker 1: a part of BLM or come together under BLM. Believe

642
00:41:08,320 --> 00:41:10,640
Speaker 1: you me that the folks that have been on the

643
00:41:10,640 --> 00:41:12,439
Speaker 1: ground are the same people that were on the ground

644
00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:14,480
Speaker 1: ten years ago. They're the same people that were on

645
00:41:14,520 --> 00:41:16,880
Speaker 1: the ground five years ago. These are the same folks.

646
00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:19,520
Speaker 1: So I think it's just important to remember that when

647
00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:22,480
Speaker 1: we when we're mad at people, we talk about you

648
00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:25,200
Speaker 1: too woke for your own good and I don't know

649
00:41:25,239 --> 00:41:27,799
Speaker 1: about that. Think about that these people they've been on

650
00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:31,400
Speaker 1: the ground years before. You knew who they were years before.

651
00:41:31,520 --> 00:41:33,080
Speaker 1: And one thing I will bring up was, and when

652
00:41:33,080 --> 00:41:36,080
Speaker 1: we see progress, when we see something and say, oh,

653
00:41:36,120 --> 00:41:40,600
Speaker 1: that's progress, what you see is organizers. What you see

654
00:41:40,680 --> 00:41:43,600
Speaker 1: is their work. So what you are seeing is that

655
00:41:43,600 --> 00:41:47,160
Speaker 1: that's not the politician. Those are the organizers who have

656
00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:50,040
Speaker 1: made that a point that that politician make that a

657
00:41:50,080 --> 00:41:52,960
Speaker 1: part of what they're doing. The politician is the person

658
00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:56,719
Speaker 1: who follows the directive of the organizers who are connected

659
00:41:56,760 --> 00:42:11,600
Speaker 1: to the people. Think about how far we come to

660
00:42:11,680 --> 00:42:14,319
Speaker 1: this that our work. Community organizer was a bad word.

661
00:42:14,320 --> 00:42:16,400
Speaker 1: Remember when they called obamaaction, he ain't nothing but the

662
00:42:16,440 --> 00:42:21,400
Speaker 1: community m hm. And that works on that works on

663
00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:24,560
Speaker 1: the Trump side too. Somebody brought this up the other day.

664
00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:27,040
Speaker 1: I was watching a panel and they said, yeah, we

665
00:42:27,080 --> 00:42:30,160
Speaker 1: have to remember that they were organizing their asses off

666
00:42:31,640 --> 00:42:34,759
Speaker 1: same thing. So we have to be clear that this

667
00:42:34,920 --> 00:42:38,640
Speaker 1: same action is happening on the opposite end. As well.

668
00:42:39,360 --> 00:42:45,280
Speaker 1: And remember, please, good people that being a citizen um,

669
00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:48,520
Speaker 1: some of us are just born into citizenship. But it's

670
00:42:48,560 --> 00:42:53,320
Speaker 1: also a responsibility, yes, ma'am. And it is also um,

671
00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:56,319
Speaker 1: it's a privilege, depending on how you look at it

672
00:42:57,000 --> 00:42:59,920
Speaker 1: or why you look at it, but it's a response

673
00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:03,560
Speaker 1: ability and a privilege. So pay attention to the people

674
00:43:03,600 --> 00:43:06,000
Speaker 1: in your community. When you hit eighteen and you're old

675
00:43:06,120 --> 00:43:10,560
Speaker 1: enough to vote, UM, pay attention to the community that

676
00:43:10,600 --> 00:43:14,759
Speaker 1: you're in, on every possible level wherever you can have

677
00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:17,839
Speaker 1: a voice, making a point to have it, because what

678
00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:25,520
Speaker 1: we don't want is another um hate monger um of

679
00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:31,320
Speaker 1: any kind of any race in the presidency ever again.

680
00:43:36,640 --> 00:43:39,600
Speaker 1: Coming up next on the show, What's on Your Heart

681
00:43:40,560 --> 00:43:43,480
Speaker 1: an occasional segment where we're checking with people re respect

682
00:43:44,080 --> 00:43:48,520
Speaker 1: about how they're really feeling. Hold on, y'all, waitment, I

683
00:43:48,560 --> 00:43:53,480
Speaker 1: think somebody's calling. That must mean it's time for Lots

684
00:43:53,560 --> 00:43:58,160
Speaker 1: on your Heart? All right, So here's the deal. When

685
00:43:58,200 --> 00:44:00,680
Speaker 1: we first started this show the j dot Ill Podcast,

686
00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:02,960
Speaker 1: Jill Scott made it a point to let me an

687
00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:05,280
Speaker 1: Asian know that she wants all kinds of different voices

688
00:44:05,320 --> 00:44:07,799
Speaker 1: to be represented on this show. Now, of course, the

689
00:44:07,800 --> 00:44:10,399
Speaker 1: first person that I thought about was my cousin, Dr

690
00:44:10,520 --> 00:44:13,760
Speaker 1: Angel Loved Miles, who has a PhD and women studies

691
00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:16,759
Speaker 1: and some other things that I really can't pronounce. But

692
00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:19,799
Speaker 1: it's also a beautiful black woman who was born with

693
00:44:19,840 --> 00:44:23,440
Speaker 1: spina bifida, who has surpassed all kinds of gold records

694
00:44:23,440 --> 00:44:25,600
Speaker 1: and whatever she is, we are. She is the pride

695
00:44:25,600 --> 00:44:28,680
Speaker 1: of our family. Uh so I wanted to bring And

696
00:44:28,719 --> 00:44:33,000
Speaker 1: she's also a Philly girl, so with all, a Philly girl,

697
00:44:33,120 --> 00:44:37,400
Speaker 1: a German. So, with with all that being said, Dr

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00:44:37,480 --> 00:44:42,439
Speaker 1: Angel Love Miles, how are you good? You know, just

699
00:44:43,880 --> 00:44:49,040
Speaker 1: Jill Scott in Asia, so I know all about your

700
00:44:49,360 --> 00:44:51,799
Speaker 1: First of all, it kills me when her cousin got

701
00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:57,919
Speaker 1: a whole PhD. My cousin is a wrestler. I'm like, see,

702
00:44:57,960 --> 00:45:00,400
Speaker 1: that's how black folks do you. They're like, oh, you know,

703
00:45:00,440 --> 00:45:02,400
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna call my cousin. You know, she's just

704
00:45:02,480 --> 00:45:08,480
Speaker 1: you know, just dope, you know. But but you know,

705
00:45:09,120 --> 00:45:12,080
Speaker 1: not people. I'm lucky and blessed. But you know, and

706
00:45:12,120 --> 00:45:14,359
Speaker 1: it's funny because as me and Angel we were talking

707
00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:16,480
Speaker 1: today and she was talking about how she is connected.

708
00:45:16,520 --> 00:45:18,520
Speaker 1: She's fans of both of y'all. She's gonna be real

709
00:45:18,600 --> 00:45:20,200
Speaker 1: humble and not say that. But I was like, you know,

710
00:45:20,280 --> 00:45:22,680
Speaker 1: he should from kindred On here too. So I kind

711
00:45:22,680 --> 00:45:25,319
Speaker 1: of wanted Angel to tell her own story in a way,

712
00:45:25,320 --> 00:45:27,879
Speaker 1: and you know, kind of introduce yourself to not only

713
00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:32,200
Speaker 1: the listeners, but to Asia and Jail as well. Okay, Um, well,

714
00:45:33,120 --> 00:45:37,200
Speaker 1: like like you said, my my big cousin, um Angel

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00:45:37,719 --> 00:45:42,400
Speaker 1: from Philly, from Germantown, Philadelphia, I grew up going to

716
00:45:42,440 --> 00:45:45,760
Speaker 1: a school for kids with physical disabilities, um, and Philly

717
00:45:45,800 --> 00:45:50,200
Speaker 1: called Widener Memorial School. And if I'm not mistaken, jil,

718
00:45:50,280 --> 00:45:54,280
Speaker 1: you went to Girls High. So so Widener's right behind

719
00:45:54,400 --> 00:45:57,560
Speaker 1: Girls High. Yeah, and I don't you know a lot

720
00:45:57,600 --> 00:45:59,239
Speaker 1: of people don't notice that. And I went to Girls

721
00:45:59,320 --> 00:46:02,799
Speaker 1: High part part time. UM. So it's called at the time,

722
00:46:02,800 --> 00:46:05,520
Speaker 1: they called it mainstreaming. And so I went to Widener

723
00:46:05,640 --> 00:46:07,080
Speaker 1: part of the day and I would go to Girls

724
00:46:07,160 --> 00:46:10,759
Speaker 1: High the other part of of the day. Um. And

725
00:46:10,840 --> 00:46:12,600
Speaker 1: when when I was in high school, I was in

726
00:46:12,680 --> 00:46:15,239
Speaker 1: Girls I went to Widener really from kindergarten fourth grade.

727
00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:18,320
Speaker 1: I only went to Girls High like maybe my sophomore

728
00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:21,040
Speaker 1: year to to my tudor to my senior year. And

729
00:46:21,120 --> 00:46:23,120
Speaker 1: so but I also you know, I'm a black girl,

730
00:46:23,160 --> 00:46:26,080
Speaker 1: so um, and I grew up in low income housing

731
00:46:26,640 --> 00:46:30,759
Speaker 1: um in Philly, and um, you know, dealt with the

732
00:46:30,760 --> 00:46:35,880
Speaker 1: typical Philly issues of you know, being poorant just drama,

733
00:46:36,520 --> 00:46:40,600
Speaker 1: drugs and addiction in my family and all that stuff. Um.

734
00:46:40,680 --> 00:46:45,239
Speaker 1: And so somehow, in spite of and also because of

735
00:46:45,280 --> 00:46:48,040
Speaker 1: all those things, I was able to go to college

736
00:46:48,560 --> 00:46:51,120
Speaker 1: and I would depend state which was like not like

737
00:46:51,160 --> 00:46:56,080
Speaker 1: Philly at all, main campus uh overwhelmingly majority white, like

738
00:46:56,680 --> 00:46:59,719
Speaker 1: no disabled people. Um. And that was really hard because

739
00:46:59,719 --> 00:47:02,759
Speaker 1: I went to a school for disabled kids my whole life,

740
00:47:02,800 --> 00:47:04,600
Speaker 1: where everything was made for us and it was like

741
00:47:04,640 --> 00:47:08,359
Speaker 1: normal to be disabled, and suddenly like nothing was made

742
00:47:08,400 --> 00:47:12,440
Speaker 1: for me, and um, I had to talk to the

743
00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:15,319
Speaker 1: teachers and like asked them to accommodate me, where like

744
00:47:15,360 --> 00:47:17,239
Speaker 1: I never had to do that before. Like things were

745
00:47:17,280 --> 00:47:20,719
Speaker 1: just accessible, Like if my wheelchair broke down, but there

746
00:47:20,760 --> 00:47:22,719
Speaker 1: was a Brave shop and I could just go to

747
00:47:22,719 --> 00:47:26,000
Speaker 1: the Brave Shop and get my chair fixed. Um. They

748
00:47:26,040 --> 00:47:29,800
Speaker 1: even had we even had like a a wheelchair um

749
00:47:29,920 --> 00:47:35,120
Speaker 1: um swing in our in our in our in our playground.

750
00:47:35,320 --> 00:47:37,440
Speaker 1: So like everything was like made for us. And then

751
00:47:37,480 --> 00:47:39,839
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, like life was like never will

752
00:47:39,880 --> 00:47:42,200
Speaker 1: never be like that again. I had to face reality

753
00:47:42,200 --> 00:47:45,800
Speaker 1: that like I live in a dominant, non disabled world

754
00:47:46,320 --> 00:47:49,520
Speaker 1: and that um, and that I have to get everybody

755
00:47:49,520 --> 00:47:52,799
Speaker 1: else to adjust to me. So so I did that

756
00:47:52,880 --> 00:47:57,760
Speaker 1: in addition to adjusting to race and racism at Penn State,

757
00:47:57,800 --> 00:48:00,759
Speaker 1: which was like I knew racism and said, of course,

758
00:48:00,800 --> 00:48:03,640
Speaker 1: but like um, and I was, you know, I was

759
00:48:03,680 --> 00:48:06,080
Speaker 1: exposed to white people growing up, but there I was

760
00:48:06,120 --> 00:48:08,920
Speaker 1: exposed to white people who weren't used to black people.

761
00:48:08,920 --> 00:48:11,240
Speaker 1: Like if for white people, I grew used to black people,

762
00:48:11,280 --> 00:48:14,880
Speaker 1: so like they grew with black people. Uh. Particularly my

763
00:48:14,960 --> 00:48:18,160
Speaker 1: stepfather was white. Uh and like, yah knows that he's

764
00:48:18,200 --> 00:48:21,360
Speaker 1: not an everyday black man, me white man. So I

765
00:48:21,480 --> 00:48:24,560
Speaker 1: called him black man by an accident because he grew

766
00:48:24,640 --> 00:48:27,440
Speaker 1: up around black people and people would be like, oh,

767
00:48:27,480 --> 00:48:29,480
Speaker 1: you know the well that light skinned brother right there,

768
00:48:29,480 --> 00:48:33,319
Speaker 1: and I'm like, no, my my dad is white. He's

769
00:48:33,400 --> 00:48:38,319
Speaker 1: like real. So anyways, I grew up you know, um

770
00:48:38,360 --> 00:48:41,800
Speaker 1: with that and anyway, UM, to make a long story short,

771
00:48:42,040 --> 00:48:46,680
Speaker 1: I went to UM Penn State, graduated, I pursued my

772
00:48:46,719 --> 00:48:50,080
Speaker 1: masters and then my PhD. Because I wanted to know,

773
00:48:50,239 --> 00:48:52,239
Speaker 1: like when I went to college. I was like, where

774
00:48:52,239 --> 00:48:55,000
Speaker 1: did everybody go? Like like I grew up with like

775
00:48:55,040 --> 00:48:58,839
Speaker 1: a really diverse community, Like where everybody go? Like why

776
00:48:58,880 --> 00:49:02,880
Speaker 1: am I, you know, the only black disabled women and

777
00:49:02,960 --> 00:49:05,640
Speaker 1: like all my classes at least with apparent disability, because

778
00:49:05,640 --> 00:49:08,719
Speaker 1: there are people with on apparent disabilities. I wanted gods

779
00:49:08,760 --> 00:49:11,240
Speaker 1: at but there were no people that like we're openly

780
00:49:11,239 --> 00:49:13,759
Speaker 1: saying that they're disabled and ever physically disabled and a

781
00:49:13,800 --> 00:49:17,360
Speaker 1: person of color. UM where I was and my friends

782
00:49:17,360 --> 00:49:20,120
Speaker 1: that I grew up with who were disabled and often

783
00:49:20,120 --> 00:49:23,319
Speaker 1: people of color, they were unemployed, they were chilling at

784
00:49:23,360 --> 00:49:26,319
Speaker 1: home their parents, living off of their soul security. And

785
00:49:26,320 --> 00:49:28,719
Speaker 1: I was like why, Like we all had dreams and

786
00:49:28,760 --> 00:49:34,160
Speaker 1: goals just like everybody else. So I researched it UM

787
00:49:34,760 --> 00:49:39,120
Speaker 1: and I went to grad school and I got a

788
00:49:39,200 --> 00:49:41,920
Speaker 1: PhD here and like that's like the skip like skipped

789
00:49:41,920 --> 00:49:46,279
Speaker 1: to the end. There's like a whole lot in between it.

790
00:49:45,400 --> 00:49:50,520
Speaker 1: And it's in women's studies UM, and you know I

791
00:49:51,600 --> 00:49:55,200
Speaker 1: it's so it's a radical uh degrees. Everybody's like women

792
00:49:55,239 --> 00:49:58,239
Speaker 1: studies like are you a kind of college or whatever? No, No,

793
00:50:01,360 --> 00:50:05,440
Speaker 1: I'm not interested in UM, but really just it's just

794
00:50:05,920 --> 00:50:10,319
Speaker 1: studies like gender basically as a as a category and

795
00:50:10,440 --> 00:50:15,400
Speaker 1: like gender and relationship to other other social identities. So

796
00:50:15,560 --> 00:50:17,359
Speaker 1: it really is just a way of like looking at

797
00:50:17,480 --> 00:50:22,759
Speaker 1: identity and inequality in general because in challenging like dominant ideology,

798
00:50:22,840 --> 00:50:27,160
Speaker 1: so so challenging dominant world views that and dominant usually

799
00:50:27,280 --> 00:50:32,600
Speaker 1: is like male, white, um sis, hetero sexual um. Just

800
00:50:32,800 --> 00:50:37,240
Speaker 1: challenging all those like dominant identities and really instead centering

801
00:50:37,280 --> 00:50:43,200
Speaker 1: like marginalized identities and thinking about intersectionality and feminism and

802
00:50:43,239 --> 00:50:46,120
Speaker 1: all that stuff. So so all that good stuff. So

803
00:50:46,160 --> 00:50:50,520
Speaker 1: I really wanted to. Um, my grandparents had master's degrees

804
00:50:50,640 --> 00:50:53,160
Speaker 1: and they taught me that, Like they got it at

805
00:50:53,160 --> 00:50:55,239
Speaker 1: a time when it's really hard for black people to

806
00:50:55,320 --> 00:51:01,120
Speaker 1: get master's degrees. Um and uh, because they were black,

807
00:51:01,360 --> 00:51:05,400
Speaker 1: they weren't able to economically benefit from their degrees the

808
00:51:05,440 --> 00:51:07,400
Speaker 1: way that they should have. So that's why I like,

809
00:51:07,480 --> 00:51:10,640
Speaker 1: in spite of their degrees, when my mother was in

810
00:51:10,680 --> 00:51:14,000
Speaker 1: college and that my father, I'm like like his uncle,

811
00:51:14,080 --> 00:51:18,000
Speaker 1: and I had my brother and then me, Um, we

812
00:51:18,680 --> 00:51:21,080
Speaker 1: still wound up and subsidized housing because they didn't have

813
00:51:21,120 --> 00:51:24,399
Speaker 1: wealth to transfer to to the family like they would

814
00:51:24,440 --> 00:51:27,120
Speaker 1: have if my my my grandparents would have been white

815
00:51:27,320 --> 00:51:31,399
Speaker 1: but anyway, they had taught me that education should make

816
00:51:31,440 --> 00:51:34,560
Speaker 1: you better to people, not better than people. Right. Let

817
00:51:34,640 --> 00:51:42,680
Speaker 1: me just say that growing up in North Philly, Um,

818
00:51:42,800 --> 00:51:48,560
Speaker 1: I really think it was although we had we had drugs,

819
00:51:49,880 --> 00:51:55,600
Speaker 1: we had violence, we also had a really gigantic group

820
00:51:55,640 --> 00:52:02,120
Speaker 1: of people who were just people. So I don't recall

821
00:52:02,640 --> 00:52:10,160
Speaker 1: feeling of heaviness about someone being uh bold or or

822
00:52:10,320 --> 00:52:16,279
Speaker 1: or gay or a person with disabilities. I don't recall, Um,

823
00:52:16,920 --> 00:52:19,279
Speaker 1: we we knew who the crackheads were, like, oh that song,

824
00:52:19,360 --> 00:52:20,880
Speaker 1: so they don't crack you know what I mean. It

825
00:52:20,960 --> 00:52:24,680
Speaker 1: was kind of like we were very accepting of everything

826
00:52:24,800 --> 00:52:28,640
Speaker 1: that everybody was and if you like the person, you

827
00:52:28,800 --> 00:52:31,880
Speaker 1: like them, and that's just what it was. If you didn't,

828
00:52:32,040 --> 00:52:35,480
Speaker 1: you didn't for whatever reasons that were yours. But I

829
00:52:35,480 --> 00:52:40,600
Speaker 1: don't remember feeling of heaviness um in my neighborhood anyway

830
00:52:40,680 --> 00:52:44,680
Speaker 1: about people being themselves. And I think that that's really

831
00:52:44,680 --> 00:52:47,719
Speaker 1: what all all we want is for people to be

832
00:52:47,840 --> 00:52:51,680
Speaker 1: the you know, be themselves without having to carry whatever

833
00:52:51,760 --> 00:52:55,880
Speaker 1: boxes and bullshit that this society places on us. So

834
00:52:55,960 --> 00:53:00,359
Speaker 1: here's the question, Dr Miles, what is on your heart?

835
00:53:01,360 --> 00:53:04,080
Speaker 1: You know? Pieces on my heart? You know, I'm just

836
00:53:04,200 --> 00:53:06,960
Speaker 1: really trying to think about, you know, how can we

837
00:53:07,000 --> 00:53:11,440
Speaker 1: get to peace because I believe that it's achievable, and um,

838
00:53:11,480 --> 00:53:14,480
Speaker 1: I have to have hope that that it's achievable. And

839
00:53:14,520 --> 00:53:17,120
Speaker 1: I think that there are groups in power that want

840
00:53:17,200 --> 00:53:21,839
Speaker 1: us to believe that it's not, um, you know, and

841
00:53:21,880 --> 00:53:25,480
Speaker 1: so I think that that's something that's really all my heart.

842
00:53:25,640 --> 00:53:28,959
Speaker 1: You know, love is all my heart, you know. UM.

843
00:53:29,000 --> 00:53:31,120
Speaker 1: You know, I have someone that I really love who

844
00:53:32,000 --> 00:53:35,960
Speaker 1: voted for Trump, and it's really tearing me apart. Like

845
00:53:37,040 --> 00:53:39,960
Speaker 1: this person is a person of color, this person is disabled,

846
00:53:39,960 --> 00:53:42,600
Speaker 1: and someone I really love that I actually had a

847
00:53:42,640 --> 00:53:45,480
Speaker 1: relationship like amate relationship with at one point, and I

848
00:53:45,560 --> 00:53:49,000
Speaker 1: just cannot figure it out and it's really turning me apart.

849
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Speaker 1: And I'm like, do I cut this person off? It

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00:53:52,320 --> 00:53:54,839
Speaker 1: is that the way do I handle it? Because are

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00:53:54,880 --> 00:53:57,280
Speaker 1: they harboring some type of hate that I don't know about?

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00:53:57,320 --> 00:53:59,960
Speaker 1: Someone like but when I'm with them, like I don't

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00:54:00,000 --> 00:54:03,360
Speaker 1: experience any of that, like, you know, I just experienced kindness,

854
00:54:03,480 --> 00:54:06,560
Speaker 1: and so you know, I have to believe that like

855
00:54:06,960 --> 00:54:12,120
Speaker 1: love will help us overcome these differences. Like I don't

856
00:54:12,160 --> 00:54:17,000
Speaker 1: think that, um, but just cutting people off will solve it.

857
00:54:17,719 --> 00:54:23,680
Speaker 1: And I'm just hopeful like that because I'm not perfect either. Um,

858
00:54:23,719 --> 00:54:26,319
Speaker 1: and there are some other your areas that you know,

859
00:54:26,440 --> 00:54:30,200
Speaker 1: I may be harming someone. So I'm trying to figure

860
00:54:30,200 --> 00:54:33,480
Speaker 1: out how to have grace but also like standing my principle,

861
00:54:33,560 --> 00:54:37,319
Speaker 1: stay to my principles, and so that's really hard. Um.

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00:54:37,400 --> 00:54:39,279
Speaker 1: But I and I also want to close to say

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00:54:39,320 --> 00:54:42,960
Speaker 1: that like you know, you're on my heart, Asia, You're

864
00:54:42,960 --> 00:54:46,400
Speaker 1: on my heart, Jill, Like, oh, like, yeah, you're in

865
00:54:46,520 --> 00:54:51,160
Speaker 1: my heart because you're my family. Um, and UM, I

866
00:54:51,200 --> 00:54:55,200
Speaker 1: wanted I couldn't be remissed without like sharing you know,

867
00:54:55,280 --> 00:55:00,120
Speaker 1: like how Jills like music like has impacted me how

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00:55:00,280 --> 00:55:04,400
Speaker 1: it particularly um has helped me get through graduate school

869
00:55:04,440 --> 00:55:09,520
Speaker 1: and overcome so many of those barriers. And so you

870
00:55:09,560 --> 00:55:12,080
Speaker 1: know when you say like and beautifully human, like I

871
00:55:12,080 --> 00:55:15,520
Speaker 1: am here, like I am a wealth unfathomed and if

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Speaker 1: you don't recognize my presence, I am here. Um, if

873
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Speaker 1: you don't recognize me, I am here, like I felt

874
00:55:22,120 --> 00:55:24,400
Speaker 1: I am a source of power, Like I felt that

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00:55:24,440 --> 00:55:27,000
Speaker 1: way in my soul as a black woman because I'm

876
00:55:27,040 --> 00:55:29,360
Speaker 1: and it was a black woman's disability because I'm ignored

877
00:55:29,440 --> 00:55:33,279
Speaker 1: so much and and I'm I've treated invisibly so much.

878
00:55:33,400 --> 00:55:37,880
Speaker 1: And so you know, when I grew up in Germantown, Yes, people,

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Speaker 1: there was some part where like everybody was accepted in

880
00:55:41,560 --> 00:55:43,560
Speaker 1: some ways, but there were a lot of ways where

881
00:55:43,560 --> 00:55:46,400
Speaker 1: like I was ignored, I was chased, I was spit

882
00:55:46,480 --> 00:55:52,240
Speaker 1: on by black people. I was teased, um unrelentingly. UM,

883
00:55:52,280 --> 00:55:54,120
Speaker 1: I was excluded. I wanted to be on drill team

884
00:55:54,239 --> 00:55:56,480
Speaker 1: so much. I want to be on drill teams so much,

885
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Speaker 1: but they would not let me be on their parents

886
00:55:58,360 --> 00:56:01,320
Speaker 1: and kids because I was disabled, um, and just treated

887
00:56:01,360 --> 00:56:04,680
Speaker 1: me like like my disability was contagious. UM. So I

888
00:56:04,719 --> 00:56:08,680
Speaker 1: experienced that, but I also experienced an immense kindness UM

889
00:56:08,680 --> 00:56:12,040
Speaker 1: from from the same community. So we have both in

890
00:56:12,080 --> 00:56:16,120
Speaker 1: our community. We have to you know, when Joe Biden

891
00:56:16,160 --> 00:56:19,839
Speaker 1: talks about um, you know that this is not who

892
00:56:19,960 --> 00:56:21,960
Speaker 1: we are. When he talks about his um. When he

893
00:56:21,960 --> 00:56:24,680
Speaker 1: did a speech and he said, like it's accepted, species

894
00:56:24,760 --> 00:56:28,560
Speaker 1: is not who we are. We're Americans, and um, he

895
00:56:28,600 --> 00:56:30,560
Speaker 1: needs to acknowledge that it is who we are. We

896
00:56:30,640 --> 00:56:34,719
Speaker 1: are like we are, we are both, we are as Americans,

897
00:56:34,800 --> 00:56:38,600
Speaker 1: like we are both you know, the our our worst enemy,

898
00:56:38,760 --> 00:56:42,160
Speaker 1: you know, and our best friends, and we can't keep lying.

899
00:56:42,280 --> 00:56:45,080
Speaker 1: So he did for the first time actually any president

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Speaker 1: of any president or president left actually mentioned disabled people

901
00:56:50,000 --> 00:56:52,400
Speaker 1: in his speech, which is not he shouldn't get a

902
00:56:52,400 --> 00:56:57,160
Speaker 1: big cracker for. But he did that because of the

903
00:56:57,160 --> 00:56:59,880
Speaker 1: work that we did, because we organized disabled people or

904
00:57:00,000 --> 00:57:02,920
Speaker 1: and ize and um and and got on and we

905
00:57:03,000 --> 00:57:07,320
Speaker 1: helped elect him. So so we have we fought really

906
00:57:07,360 --> 00:57:11,279
Speaker 1: hard for that because we're twenty percent of population and there,

907
00:57:11,360 --> 00:57:14,920
Speaker 1: and the Democratic Party is just starting to really say like, oh,

908
00:57:15,040 --> 00:57:17,360
Speaker 1: if we get these folks to organize, like maybe they

909
00:57:17,400 --> 00:57:20,320
Speaker 1: have some power. So so I wanted to like, you know,

910
00:57:20,640 --> 00:57:24,600
Speaker 1: talk about about that and everything and un understanding that

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00:57:24,640 --> 00:57:27,320
Speaker 1: what was behind that. So I'm just like, because it's

912
00:57:27,360 --> 00:57:32,000
Speaker 1: so important and so poignant that to to bring us

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00:57:32,040 --> 00:57:34,400
Speaker 1: back to the fact that, yes, when you see these

914
00:57:34,440 --> 00:57:39,200
Speaker 1: things happen, there is work behind that. There's organizing behind that.

915
00:57:39,480 --> 00:57:41,680
Speaker 1: When you see something, it didn't just fall out of

916
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Speaker 1: the sky. There are black women, there are black people.

917
00:57:44,880 --> 00:57:47,760
Speaker 1: There are black people from all kinds of intersections, all

918
00:57:47,840 --> 00:57:50,880
Speaker 1: kinds of spaces that are organizing to make sure that

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00:57:50,880 --> 00:57:53,840
Speaker 1: those things happened. It's not the empty moment. It's a

920
00:57:53,880 --> 00:57:57,840
Speaker 1: moment that black people worked and and and strive to

921
00:57:57,880 --> 00:58:02,320
Speaker 1: get and that that's not even off. Yeah, and it's

922
00:58:02,360 --> 00:58:04,600
Speaker 1: like and not just buy people, but like margin life

923
00:58:04,600 --> 00:58:07,960
Speaker 1: people in general, like disabled people, like LGBTQ people, like

924
00:58:07,960 --> 00:58:10,720
Speaker 1: like disabled people, like a lot of times people treat

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00:58:10,800 --> 00:58:13,560
Speaker 1: us like, um, like things were a charity, like just

926
00:58:13,680 --> 00:58:16,160
Speaker 1: like given to us, Like oh, wasn't that nicely? You know?

927
00:58:16,360 --> 00:58:19,280
Speaker 1: Um that um that they that the America gave us

928
00:58:19,400 --> 00:58:23,280
Speaker 1: ramps and automatic doors, and it's like, no, they don't know.

929
00:58:23,320 --> 00:58:26,000
Speaker 1: They don't teach the disability rights movement, like they don't

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00:58:26,000 --> 00:58:29,440
Speaker 1: know that disabled people chain themselves to buses, Like they

931
00:58:29,440 --> 00:58:32,680
Speaker 1: don't know that disabled people put sledgehammers to to curbs,

932
00:58:32,720 --> 00:58:35,760
Speaker 1: like that we that we we father they wouldn't let us,

933
00:58:35,840 --> 00:58:39,440
Speaker 1: um have you know, our own to be integrated into schools,

934
00:58:39,440 --> 00:58:43,640
Speaker 1: that it was legal to just segregate disabled people into

935
00:58:43,760 --> 00:58:47,080
Speaker 1: schools and utial schools like the school that I went to,

936
00:58:47,400 --> 00:58:49,280
Speaker 1: where there there was really no reason why I shouldn't

937
00:58:49,320 --> 00:58:51,080
Speaker 1: have been able to go to girls high all day

938
00:58:51,120 --> 00:58:53,880
Speaker 1: long when I went to Penn State. But there's this,

939
00:58:54,120 --> 00:58:57,040
Speaker 1: but there's this belief that um, you know, because I

940
00:58:57,080 --> 00:59:01,040
Speaker 1: was disabled, that I needed something special. Um, and clearly

941
00:59:01,160 --> 00:59:05,040
Speaker 1: I didn't, because I mean, I'm I moved to Chicago,

942
00:59:05,120 --> 00:59:07,240
Speaker 1: I live in Chicago now, like I've been to Japan,

943
00:59:07,320 --> 00:59:10,200
Speaker 1: I've been to Australia. So clearly I could have been

944
00:59:10,240 --> 00:59:13,680
Speaker 1: a girls high. And so it's like society has to

945
00:59:13,760 --> 00:59:16,480
Speaker 1: change the way that they think about because we put

946
00:59:16,520 --> 00:59:20,200
Speaker 1: limitations on people with disabilities that are more limitating than

947
00:59:20,240 --> 00:59:24,280
Speaker 1: our actual conditions themselves. And so when Jill Scott says

948
00:59:24,320 --> 00:59:26,920
Speaker 1: living my life like it's golden, like that is a

949
00:59:27,120 --> 00:59:29,720
Speaker 1: power that is an empowering thing for a disabled person

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00:59:29,760 --> 00:59:34,400
Speaker 1: to say, because our lives are not viewed as valuable like, um,

951
00:59:34,480 --> 00:59:37,280
Speaker 1: you know, so when I say I'm happy, people are like, well,

952
00:59:37,280 --> 00:59:39,880
Speaker 1: how could you be happy? You're disabled? You were born

953
00:59:40,000 --> 00:59:42,040
Speaker 1: like you. People say this to me all the time.

954
00:59:42,040 --> 00:59:46,959
Speaker 1: They congratulate me for being outside, like look at you outside.

955
00:59:49,280 --> 00:59:51,080
Speaker 1: You know, do you have a do you have a

956
00:59:51,120 --> 00:59:54,200
Speaker 1: certain like tool bag of cuss words that you have

957
00:59:54,320 --> 00:59:57,880
Speaker 1: to that you have for people, because I just need

958
00:59:57,880 --> 01:00:01,640
Speaker 1: to know because I'm just saying people out on a

959
01:00:01,720 --> 01:00:06,200
Speaker 1: regular People have said that they start praying for me automatically,

960
01:00:06,400 --> 01:00:08,600
Speaker 1: Like one lady was like, you're out of that chair, girl,

961
01:00:12,680 --> 01:00:15,400
Speaker 1: like if you just demanded and my mother said I

962
01:00:15,400 --> 01:00:17,720
Speaker 1: should have got up, Like it's because I can't. Well,

963
01:00:17,960 --> 01:00:19,960
Speaker 1: so it just started mess with Like I didn't think

964
01:00:20,000 --> 01:00:22,240
Speaker 1: about it, you know, but I should just start playing

965
01:00:22,240 --> 01:00:25,360
Speaker 1: with people. But um, just for fun. But you know,

966
01:00:25,400 --> 01:00:27,080
Speaker 1: and I like to laugh about it, but it's really

967
01:00:27,120 --> 01:00:29,640
Speaker 1: not okay, it's a it's a type of street harassment,

968
01:00:29,880 --> 01:00:33,160
Speaker 1: like you know about street harassment for women being sexually

969
01:00:32,480 --> 01:00:36,360
Speaker 1: it's disable people get street harassed. People randomly asked me

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01:00:36,400 --> 01:00:40,240
Speaker 1: can I have sex? Like when I was a teenager man,

971
01:00:40,320 --> 01:00:41,800
Speaker 1: just like okay, well how do you do it? Can

972
01:00:41,880 --> 01:00:44,080
Speaker 1: you do it? Dada? Less than the first of all,

973
01:00:44,120 --> 01:00:48,280
Speaker 1: that's done of your business, but like secondly, like what

974
01:00:48,480 --> 01:00:50,800
Speaker 1: you know, it's just so we need to want to

975
01:00:50,920 --> 01:00:53,840
Speaker 1: educate people about disability. People don't learn about it in school,

976
01:00:54,400 --> 01:00:57,560
Speaker 1: and so the conversation is important. Angel. That's why your

977
01:00:57,640 --> 01:01:01,120
Speaker 1: voice it's important. Angel. You know one thing about this

978
01:01:01,240 --> 01:01:04,120
Speaker 1: kind of work, and people like yourself. I feel like

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01:01:04,600 --> 01:01:06,800
Speaker 1: the more that I listen to you, the more I

980
01:01:06,960 --> 01:01:10,440
Speaker 1: understand how to treat people better. Like you said, education

981
01:01:10,720 --> 01:01:13,520
Speaker 1: should make you better to others, not better than others.

982
01:01:13,760 --> 01:01:16,600
Speaker 1: And I feel like the more that I interacted. I'm

983
01:01:16,640 --> 01:01:18,920
Speaker 1: always telling people like, why are we not listening to

984
01:01:18,960 --> 01:01:21,800
Speaker 1: our organizers? Why are we not listening to our advocates

985
01:01:21,800 --> 01:01:24,160
Speaker 1: and activists. These are the people who are most in

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01:01:24,240 --> 01:01:27,600
Speaker 1: touch with who we are at our core. These are

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01:01:27,600 --> 01:01:29,520
Speaker 1: the folks that are talking to people who are the

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Speaker 1: most affected by all the things that are going on

989
01:01:32,120 --> 01:01:36,320
Speaker 1: because they don't get an opportunity to speak in a

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01:01:36,360 --> 01:01:40,640
Speaker 1: way where everybody gets to hear it, and that is

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Speaker 1: an issue and is an issue. I thank you so

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Speaker 1: much for being with us, Doctor Miles Angels Love Miles.

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Speaker 1: How do you eat an elephant? One by it time? Hey, y'all,

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Speaker 1: I'm Eves, a producer on the show, and I'm here

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Speaker 1: to bring you the resource of the day. As all

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Speaker 1: of the women on the show mentioned, the organizers in

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Speaker 1: your community are out here putting in work. Let's give

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Speaker 1: them our support and acknowledgement. Jill, Layah, and Asia all

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Speaker 1: have love for Philly, and Asia has a recommendation for

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Speaker 1: y'all based in the city. Check out the Black Philly

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Speaker 1: Radical Collective, which includes the organization's Philly for Real Justice,

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Speaker 1: Black Lives Matter Philly, the Abolitionists Law Center Philadelphia, and

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Speaker 1: many more. I'll drop a link to the collective's website

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Speaker 1: and the description. And for those of you outside of

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Speaker 1: Philly research the anti racist abolitionists and progressive organizations and

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01:02:49,720 --> 01:03:00,400
Speaker 1: causes in your area. Thank you so much for sening

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Speaker 1: and um you know you can always leave your comments

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Speaker 1: where we're open to that. Always. Thank you for listening

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Speaker 1: to Jill Scott Present j dot il the Podcast. This

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Speaker 1: podcast is hosted by Jill Scott, Laya st. Clair, and

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Speaker 1: agent Gayden Dance Flare. Its executive producers are Jill Scott,

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Speaker 1: Seawan g and Brian Calhoun. It's produced by Laya Sat

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Speaker 1: Claire and me Eve Steph Cooke. The editing and sound

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Speaker 1: design for this episode we're done by Taylor Chakom. Just

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Speaker 1: like so many reasons why this ship happened, that for

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Speaker 1: us to prevent it? What about them seventies six million people,

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Speaker 1: if that's real? If that's real? Because now we know

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Speaker 1: that other countries can be involved in our elections and

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Speaker 1: maneuver our elections. This is the problem with having so

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Speaker 1: much information, y'all's too much, so you don't know what's real.

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Speaker 1: You don't know what's real. So many you know, and

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Speaker 1: there's the truth and then it's my truth. I have

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Speaker 1: my truth, I'm standing in my truth. All of those

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Speaker 1: things we don't know what truth is anymore. J dot

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Speaker 1: Ill is a production of I heart Radio. For more

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