WEBVTT - Inside The Longhouse: The Right Wing's Latest Meme 0:00:09.160 --> 0:00:14.200 It could happen here a podcast about frustrating people and 0:00:14.240 --> 0:00:17.599 frustrating times. That's not all it's about. Sometimes we talk 0:00:17.640 --> 0:00:22.800 about nice things like like raising sheep or unionization efforts, 0:00:22.880 --> 0:00:26.160 you know, the endless struggle of working people to better 0:00:26.440 --> 0:00:30.080 the world. But not today. Today we're having a real, 0:00:30.480 --> 0:00:33.120 real piece of ship episode about a real piece of ship, 0:00:33.440 --> 0:00:37.000 and it's gonna make everybody unhappy. Hello Garrison, Hello James. 0:00:37.000 --> 0:00:38.120 How are you both doing today? 0:00:38.800 --> 0:00:42.440 So much better for hearing that, Robert, Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, I. 0:00:42.560 --> 0:00:45.400 Just ready to have a fine evening here, ye about 0:00:45.800 --> 0:00:48.320 something that's probably very fun. 0:00:48.600 --> 0:00:50.680 Yeah, going to be good. You don't have you don't 0:00:50.720 --> 0:00:53.400 have your soda stream? Disappointed in you? 0:00:54.560 --> 0:00:56.400 James and I are now so toa stream pilled. 0:00:56.840 --> 0:00:59.440 Not I've not gotten the company so to stream yet 0:00:59.720 --> 0:01:01.480 that has must generation. 0:01:02.520 --> 0:01:07.119 Yeah, the unfortunately the company beverage is is Billy Beer. 0:01:07.480 --> 0:01:11.680 Uh Billy Carter Jimmy Carter's Brothers beer that was on 0:01:11.760 --> 0:01:14.160 sale for roughly a year in the nineteen seventies. 0:01:15.040 --> 0:01:18.160 Is it made of peanuts? If only? 0:01:18.640 --> 0:01:18.720 No? 0:01:18.920 --> 0:01:21.880 So today let's start. I got a question for you. 0:01:21.920 --> 0:01:23.440 Have either of you seen the Barbie movie? 0:01:24.720 --> 0:01:24.959 Yes? 0:01:25.120 --> 0:01:25.480 I have. 0:01:26.560 --> 0:01:28.000 I was it well done, Gear. 0:01:28.640 --> 0:01:30.200 Oh I didn't go buddy sold gear. 0:01:31.680 --> 0:01:34.000 The said dress thing was was nice. 0:01:34.360 --> 0:01:34.640 It was. 0:01:34.640 --> 0:01:38.399 It was a great lesson in like liberal recuperation. I'm sure, 0:01:38.560 --> 0:01:38.960 I'm sure. 0:01:38.959 --> 0:01:41.319 I'm sure it'll be great for like kids who like 0:01:41.319 --> 0:01:43.920 don't know who like don't know what feminism is. 0:01:44.000 --> 0:01:45.600 But but yeah. 0:01:45.240 --> 0:01:48.040 Yeah, it seems I have not watched it either. It 0:01:48.080 --> 0:01:51.600 doesn't seem like my kind of movie. But it seems 0:01:51.600 --> 0:01:53.960 broadly act correct me if I'm wrong here, that it 0:01:54.000 --> 0:01:57.400 has what you might call like very very modest and 0:01:57.480 --> 0:02:02.520 fairly mainstream approachable feminist message. Yeah, yeah, that seems like 0:02:02.560 --> 0:02:07.000 it's fair, which most people would not be particularly angry about. 0:02:07.880 --> 0:02:11.720 But a sizable chunk of the very online right, the 0:02:12.400 --> 0:02:14.480 chunk of the right, particularly that makes their living by 0:02:14.520 --> 0:02:17.400 having takes on shit has has has been up in 0:02:17.560 --> 0:02:20.120 arms ever since it came out, and particularly ever since 0:02:20.120 --> 0:02:23.360 it made more than a billion dollars in the box office. 0:02:23.480 --> 0:02:25.080 I'm sure a lot of people are aware that our 0:02:25.080 --> 0:02:28.600 old friend Ben Shapiro filmed a forty two minute video 0:02:28.680 --> 0:02:39.960 tearing it apart and his signature preteen stolen Valor voice boy. 0:02:41.040 --> 0:02:43.720 After I watched the movie, me and some friends tried 0:02:43.760 --> 0:02:46.560 to watch the Ben Shapiro video for fun. We made 0:02:46.560 --> 0:02:49.320 it like six minutes in, and that everyone forced me 0:02:49.400 --> 0:02:49.880 to stop. 0:02:50.400 --> 0:02:55.240 Intolerable shit. Cowards. Cowards are cowards. But that's yeah. So 0:02:55.880 --> 0:02:58.919 elsewhere in the right and kind of the less mainstream 0:02:59.000 --> 0:03:02.679 acceptable chunks of what we'd call the insurgent right around here, 0:03:03.040 --> 0:03:06.519 various thought leaders attempted to declare the movie stealth conservative 0:03:06.520 --> 0:03:09.200 propaganda as a way of insisting that its success was 0:03:09.240 --> 0:03:12.200 really due to it being anti woke. That's silly too. 0:03:12.400 --> 0:03:15.000 None of this is worth discussing in detail. I promise 0:03:15.040 --> 0:03:16.760 you all, this is not going to be a podcast 0:03:16.760 --> 0:03:19.119 about the fucking Barbie movie. None of this is worth 0:03:19.120 --> 0:03:22.560 discussing in detail, save to say that Shapiro's anger at 0:03:22.600 --> 0:03:26.080 the movie, and particularly its comic relief character Kin, seems 0:03:26.080 --> 0:03:28.639 to have been the more wide spread response from those 0:03:28.720 --> 0:03:31.600 kinds of people. Now, because I have made, over the 0:03:31.680 --> 0:03:34.760 years a lot of poor decisions in my browsing and 0:03:34.880 --> 0:03:38.360 engaging habits. Over the years, Twitter sends me a lot 0:03:38.400 --> 0:03:41.640 of weirdo right wing responses to everything that happens in 0:03:41.640 --> 0:03:44.920 the world, including this movie and one of these posts 0:03:44.920 --> 0:03:48.040 that I caught somewhere in late July or on the 0:03:48.080 --> 0:03:51.080 twenty second, twenty third caught my eye. Now this post 0:03:51.120 --> 0:03:54.760 features a vapor wave filtered kin photoshopped in front of 0:03:54.800 --> 0:03:58.840 a burning Viking long house, accompanied by the text exit 0:03:58.920 --> 0:04:02.640 the long house. Now, when you see something like this 0:04:02.800 --> 0:04:05.400 and you don't know what they're getting at, like, you 0:04:05.800 --> 0:04:08.240 have two choices. If you're like, you get like, I 0:04:08.240 --> 0:04:12.240 don't know, kids, a really demanding job, anything at all 0:04:12.280 --> 0:04:15.040 going on in your personal life, you scroll right past it. 0:04:15.360 --> 0:04:18.159 If you're me, you spend like four and a half 0:04:18.200 --> 0:04:23.599 hours reading various fascist essays about feminism to try to 0:04:23.600 --> 0:04:26.240 figure out what the fuck a longhouse has to do 0:04:26.279 --> 0:04:29.599 with the Barbie movie. Now, the guy who had made 0:04:29.640 --> 0:04:34.200 this post is a low level fascist political columnist named Lomez. 0:04:34.640 --> 0:04:36.839 He is, he's kind of on me. He's a little 0:04:36.839 --> 0:04:41.920 bit of volapild. He's he doesn't he's not like a 0:04:42.040 --> 0:04:45.280 very major figure. He's kind of several steps below anyone 0:04:45.320 --> 0:04:47.680 you've heard of. I would say, like two or three 0:04:47.680 --> 0:04:52.479 steps standard deviations of fame below like Jack Pisobiec. But 0:04:52.560 --> 0:04:55.359 his writing has a degree of purchase among the kinds 0:04:55.360 --> 0:04:58.920 of conservatives who trick Ron DeSantis into running in comprehensible 0:04:58.960 --> 0:05:01.919 campaign ads with son rads in them he has. He's like, 0:05:02.040 --> 0:05:04.480 he's got a little bit of influence among that kind 0:05:04.480 --> 0:05:06.599 of crew, and he's sort of in the conversation with 0:05:06.680 --> 0:05:08.880 a lot of those people. I took notice of his 0:05:08.920 --> 0:05:12.080 post because I'd seen the term long house being used 0:05:12.080 --> 0:05:15.400 by a couple of these guys off and on, and 0:05:15.480 --> 0:05:18.640 because Lomes's post got like three thousand something likes, which 0:05:18.680 --> 0:05:22.440 meant that, yeah, there's some community out there that gets 0:05:22.480 --> 0:05:25.080 what he's talking about. So on a whim, I clicked 0:05:25.120 --> 0:05:27.479 to view the quote tweets for this post, and I 0:05:27.520 --> 0:05:30.479 found a post by a user named Siege, which is 0:05:30.520 --> 0:05:33.479 of course a reference to a book about carrying out 0:05:33.480 --> 0:05:36.160 acts of terrorism in order to bring about a white 0:05:36.160 --> 0:05:40.040 Ethno state. The post says, Kin is you. He is 0:05:40.080 --> 0:05:44.400 an exaggerated Western man in the twenty first century, anxious, confused, 0:05:44.640 --> 0:05:47.240 chasing women who don't care about him. He exits the 0:05:47.279 --> 0:05:50.120 long House and discovers his own will to power. Like you, 0:05:50.240 --> 0:05:52.960 he decides to bring this knowledge back to his fellow man, 0:05:53.480 --> 0:05:56.000 and it's you know, I'm gonna I'll show you guys 0:05:56.000 --> 0:06:00.279 this this post here. It's pretty pretty Nazi. Yeah, pretty 0:06:00.320 --> 0:06:00.960 pretty Nazi. 0:06:02.240 --> 0:06:04.719 It's not the best work on Ken, like he guys 0:06:04.760 --> 0:06:05.479 looks like a blob. 0:06:05.839 --> 0:06:07.839 No, I will say I have a little bit of 0:06:07.880 --> 0:06:10.080 respect for the craft here that he didn't just go 0:06:10.160 --> 0:06:13.080 to an ai that looks like somebody like crudely cut 0:06:13.120 --> 0:06:17.520 a picture of kin that they have like uh uh, 0:06:17.680 --> 0:06:21.200 color inverted and then photoshopped it into a picture of 0:06:21.240 --> 0:06:24.119 a long house with a fire behind it. 0:06:24.120 --> 0:06:24.560 It's too. 0:06:27.480 --> 0:06:29.080 I will say. Uh. 0:06:29.240 --> 0:06:32.760 Sieg's description of Ken from the from the from the 0:06:32.760 --> 0:06:36.800 Barbie movie is pretty accurate to what's in the film. 0:06:35.600 --> 0:06:40.920 M that's good. So what is the long house? What 0:06:40.960 --> 0:06:43.400 the fuck does a long house have to do with 0:06:43.880 --> 0:06:48.320 what are otherwise pretty standard neo Nazi esque messaging about, 0:06:48.400 --> 0:06:51.359 you know, the decadence and failure of modern man and 0:06:51.400 --> 0:06:54.760 all that kind of shit. And is this dumb fascist 0:06:54.760 --> 0:06:57.360 memes something that you need to care about now? Unfortunately 0:06:57.360 --> 0:06:59.200 the answer to that is yes, because all of this 0:06:59.360 --> 0:07:04.880 ties back to one extremely influential, insurgent right wing ideologue 0:07:04.920 --> 0:07:07.839 whose followers have been close to the presidency once before 0:07:07.880 --> 0:07:11.320 and may yet find themselves there again. That asshole is 0:07:11.360 --> 0:07:15.320 an mi I T graduate named Kostin Alamaru who posts 0:07:15.400 --> 0:07:19.960 online under variations of the name Bronze Age Pervert. You guys, 0:07:20.760 --> 0:07:23.840 how aware are you of Bronze Age Pervert or BAP 0:07:23.920 --> 0:07:24.880 as he's often known. 0:07:27.000 --> 0:07:30.760 I've heard of BAP, but maybe only in passing because 0:07:30.760 --> 0:07:33.559 I wasn't familiar with Bronze age pervert. Thank you, yeah, 0:07:33.880 --> 0:07:35.960 thank you for sharing with me today. 0:07:36.040 --> 0:07:39.360 Robert, Oh, oh, You're going to be so much less happy, Garrison, 0:07:39.680 --> 0:07:42.360 are you familiar with this fella? 0:07:41.840 --> 0:07:44.040 I think I may have only seen stuff from him 0:07:44.040 --> 0:07:46.560 in passing. I'm not I'm not overly familiar. 0:07:46.600 --> 0:07:46.800 Now. 0:07:47.200 --> 0:07:49.600 Yeah, that was kind of my experience until like a 0:07:49.600 --> 0:07:51.880 month or so ago when I started really digging into 0:07:51.880 --> 0:07:56.160 the guy. And I don't feel better as a result 0:07:56.160 --> 0:07:58.960 of having done that. But uh, yeah, we know that 0:07:59.040 --> 0:08:02.280 this guy's actual name is Kostin Alamariu because of a 0:08:02.400 --> 0:08:04.880 very recent Atlantic articles, like a month ago, that this 0:08:04.920 --> 0:08:08.040 guy got revealed in this article because this writer for 0:08:08.120 --> 0:08:11.200 The Atlantic was a friend of his, like at mit, 0:08:11.600 --> 0:08:13.640 like it was just somebody who like and recognized his 0:08:13.720 --> 0:08:18.760 voice on a podcast. Now, this article, I find it 0:08:18.800 --> 0:08:20.920 frustrating for a number of reasons. I don't think it's 0:08:20.960 --> 0:08:25.400 great analysis of BAP's work or what people find appealing 0:08:25.440 --> 0:08:28.480 in it or a particularly honest, intellectual look at what 0:08:28.520 --> 0:08:31.280 this guy has to say. But it does have some 0:08:31.320 --> 0:08:35.480 interesting reveals, including the fact that Bronze Age Pervert's first 0:08:35.520 --> 0:08:39.320 public media appearance was a parody audio tour for an 0:08:39.360 --> 0:08:42.360 exhibition at the Boston Museum of Fine Arts, written by 0:08:42.480 --> 0:08:46.880 bj Novak, who played Ryan in the Office. Yeah, so 0:08:46.960 --> 0:08:51.760 that's that's odd, and it's one of those BJ Novak 0:08:52.000 --> 0:08:56.920 is not a stealth Nazi, don't worry. But the video 0:08:57.120 --> 0:08:59.760 or the thing that they put together does kind of 0:08:59.800 --> 0:09:02.679 fit it for like a fascist art project. And I'm 0:09:02.679 --> 0:09:05.600 going to read how The Atlantic describes this audio tour 0:09:05.640 --> 0:09:09.080 they put together together, or put that they assembled together. 0:09:09.920 --> 0:09:13.000 Novak had recruited a Romanian classmate with a deep voice, 0:09:13.000 --> 0:09:15.640 and together they'd recorded an audio tour for the exhibition 0:09:15.760 --> 0:09:18.120 Tales from the Land of Dragons a Thousand Years of 0:09:18.280 --> 0:09:21.080 Chinese Painting, with the help of friends. They then slipped 0:09:21.080 --> 0:09:24.360 cassettes containing their tour into the museum's official audio guides. 0:09:24.760 --> 0:09:27.240 Art lovers must have wondered about the thick Eastern European 0:09:27.240 --> 0:09:29.480 accent that greeted them over the twang of a Chinese 0:09:29.520 --> 0:09:33.439 string instrument. The Romanians soon became opinionated. Personally, he said, 0:09:33.480 --> 0:09:36.280 I think this painting is a piece of crap. Then deranged, 0:09:36.320 --> 0:09:40.680 he alluded to his disgusting anatomical abnormalities. He called his 0:09:40.760 --> 0:09:44.400 listeners decadent imperialist maggots, and confessed a desire to smash 0:09:44.440 --> 0:09:47.600 a glass case with a sledgehammer and rip a scroll 0:09:47.640 --> 0:09:49.960 to shreds with my teeth, which, by the way, are 0:09:50.000 --> 0:09:53.160 extremely long and sharp, more like fangs than human teeth. 0:09:53.440 --> 0:09:55.920 At last, he offered an interlude of idiot music while 0:09:55.920 --> 0:09:58.520 he fumbled with his script. This should keep you occupied, 0:09:58.559 --> 0:10:01.040 you drooling, imbecile, he bellowed at the listeners, by now 0:10:01.080 --> 0:10:04.960 either amused or complaining to management. So there's like there's 0:10:05.000 --> 0:10:08.600 like little little whiffs of degenerate art stuff in there, 0:10:08.600 --> 0:10:13.679 but it's also just kind of like they like a 0:10:13.720 --> 0:10:16.640 little bit like Max head roomy kind of stuff, like 0:10:16.640 --> 0:10:20.359 where you're kind of tricking people into into into consuming 0:10:20.400 --> 0:10:23.200 this like parody artwork thing. Like again, I think this 0:10:23.320 --> 0:10:26.720 was a pretty innocent joke on Novak's fall part. But 0:10:27.360 --> 0:10:30.800 Costin number one probably got picked for this because he's 0:10:30.800 --> 0:10:33.679 a he's he's got a thick Romanian accent that he 0:10:33.800 --> 0:10:36.520 very much plays up. He was noted in this time 0:10:36.559 --> 0:10:39.480 as kind of talking like Dracula deliberately. He also would 0:10:39.480 --> 0:10:42.920 always wear these like long and elaborate black coats, so 0:10:42.960 --> 0:10:45.440 that he kind of looked like a Dracula type figure, 0:10:45.840 --> 0:10:48.120 like he was, you know, he was he was doing 0:10:48.160 --> 0:10:50.400 a bit. He was putting on like a That was 0:10:50.440 --> 0:10:53.520 the image he wanted to He wanted to portray himself 0:10:53.559 --> 0:10:56.360 as to people as kind of like mysterious and Eastern 0:10:56.400 --> 0:10:58.600 European sort of sort of figure. 0:10:59.120 --> 0:10:59.320 Now. 0:10:59.440 --> 0:11:02.960 Costin first started posting as bronze age pervert on a 0:11:03.000 --> 0:11:06.360 series of obscure web forums in twenty ten. In the 0:11:06.400 --> 0:11:09.640 November of twenty thirteen, he joined Twitter and immediately fell 0:11:09.679 --> 0:11:13.080 in with a loose community that some people call frog Twitter. 0:11:13.160 --> 0:11:14.800 And these are you know who these guys are. It's 0:11:14.800 --> 0:11:17.960 like a general term for anonymous alt right adjacent posters 0:11:17.960 --> 0:11:21.599 with like pepe avatars. Yeah, and the other group the 0:11:22.160 --> 0:11:25.080 kind of related people that he fell in with and 0:11:25.120 --> 0:11:28.560 that he started to have traction with our adherents to 0:11:28.679 --> 0:11:33.280 a fascist philosopher known as Curtis Jarvin or Minsius Moldbug. 0:11:33.360 --> 0:11:36.360 Curtis is his real name. Minsius Moldbug is the pseudonym. 0:11:36.440 --> 0:11:41.000 He wrote under now I know it's a it's these. 0:11:40.880 --> 0:11:46.240 People this shit, man, it's just so pathetic, like play 0:11:46.320 --> 0:11:47.439 Dungeons and Dragons. 0:11:47.480 --> 0:11:51.000 Just a solid twenty percent of our fascist problems are 0:11:51.040 --> 0:11:53.720 like people didn't get a reliable D and D group 0:11:53.760 --> 0:11:56.840 early enough, like a lot of these I think Balder's 0:11:56.880 --> 0:11:58.680 Gate three is gonna save us from a lot of 0:11:58.679 --> 0:12:00.199 these guys in the future. 0:12:01.559 --> 0:12:04.640 The Antifa computer game. Yeah. 0:12:04.760 --> 0:12:04.840 So. 0:12:05.280 --> 0:12:09.800 Curtis Yarvin aka Mensius is a UC Berkeley graduate in 0:12:09.880 --> 0:12:13.120 computer science who joined the tech industry and got pilled 0:12:13.120 --> 0:12:15.960 on a strain of anti democratic libertarian theory. 0:12:17.000 --> 0:12:20.240 This is this is like a this is a pathway, man, Yeah, 0:12:20.280 --> 0:12:21.440 this is perfect well. 0:12:21.640 --> 0:12:25.360 Bronze age pervert also goes into tech after graduating from 0:12:25.480 --> 0:12:27.760 m i T. Right, and like, you know, a decent 0:12:27.840 --> 0:12:30.200 number of these guys come out of like Stanford and shit, 0:12:30.400 --> 0:12:33.400 like it's all, uh, it's all these guys who are, 0:12:33.440 --> 0:12:37.080 in fact, to some extent, like intellectual elites, bronze age perverts. 0:12:37.160 --> 0:12:40.640 Dad is a teacher at mi T, like just kind 0:12:40.640 --> 0:12:42.640 of like you look at like Stephen Miller's background, Right, 0:12:42.679 --> 0:12:45.840 A lot of these guys come out of like liberal 0:12:45.880 --> 0:12:53.600 academia families. But anyway, it's very common. Yeah. Curtis comes 0:12:53.600 --> 0:12:56.080 out of uh yeah, gets into the tech industry and 0:12:56.120 --> 0:12:58.120 he writes a book kind of while he's he's working 0:12:58.200 --> 0:13:00.200 and like he's a he's a founder and stuff for 0:13:00.400 --> 0:13:02.400 some company. He writes a book in two thousand and 0:13:02.440 --> 0:13:06.200 one titled Democracy, The God That Failed, follows it up 0:13:06.240 --> 0:13:08.640 with a series of blog essays, and his writing becomes 0:13:08.760 --> 0:13:13.959 very influential amongst Silicon Valley proto fascists. Jarvin's ideas in 0:13:14.000 --> 0:13:16.720 brief is that the US is run and a lot 0:13:16.760 --> 0:13:19.480 of Western society is really run by what he calls 0:13:19.520 --> 0:13:22.920 the Cathedral, which is a mix of professors and journalists 0:13:22.960 --> 0:13:26.240 who act as a Brahmin class dominating the United States 0:13:26.480 --> 0:13:31.319 with a progressive state religion. He sees their egalitarian impulses 0:13:31.360 --> 0:13:35.520 as toxic the destruction of natural civic order, and advocates 0:13:35.520 --> 0:13:39.240 for his followers to design new architectures of exit to 0:13:39.320 --> 0:13:42.679 replace the Cathedral with what is effectively a right wing dictatorship. 0:13:43.400 --> 0:13:47.760 The number one supporter of Curtis Yarvin's ideas and financial 0:13:47.800 --> 0:13:51.560 backer of him is Peter Teel Teal has a funded 0:13:51.640 --> 0:13:53.880 Jarvin's work as a big fan of what he has 0:13:53.920 --> 0:13:56.840 to say and his philosophy, which is generally referred to 0:13:56.880 --> 0:13:59.679 as the Dark Enlightenment. And this is when we're talking 0:13:59.720 --> 0:14:03.959 about dark Enlightenment, we're talking like mid aughts is kind 0:14:04.000 --> 0:14:05.960 of when this stuff starts to really take off. This 0:14:06.000 --> 0:14:09.040 is before the alt right that kind of becomes really 0:14:09.080 --> 0:14:13.480 well known nationwide. Is A is A is a major term. 0:14:13.640 --> 0:14:15.880 This is like in the pre and right around gamer 0:14:15.960 --> 0:14:18.840 Gate period is when he's really starting to take off 0:14:18.880 --> 0:14:21.760 with a lot of folks. And he certainly he feeds 0:14:21.760 --> 0:14:24.320 into the alt right to Trump, you know, and to 0:14:24.440 --> 0:14:27.120 that period of time, but he's much more on the 0:14:27.120 --> 0:14:29.880 the pseudo intellectual end of things as opposed to the 0:14:30.000 --> 0:14:31.920 like hitting folks in the street end of things. That's 0:14:31.920 --> 0:14:35.680 what he gets a lot of Peter Teel money. So 0:14:36.680 --> 0:14:41.920 uh yeah, Bronze Age Pervert is kind of a he 0:14:42.320 --> 0:14:46.080 He espouses a philosophy that rhymes with with moldbugs with 0:14:46.160 --> 0:14:49.840 Yarvin's philosophy in many ways, but where Yarvin dresses his 0:14:49.880 --> 0:14:52.800 words and is writing up in a costume version of 0:14:52.840 --> 0:14:58.000 mainstream academic discourse, Bronze Age Pervert is unapot apologetically online 0:14:58.040 --> 0:15:01.160 and weird and he writes, like somebody who spends too 0:15:01.240 --> 0:15:04.320 much fucking time on the Internet. A lot of his 0:15:04.360 --> 0:15:07.080 stuff is cloaked in things that are like half jokes, 0:15:07.160 --> 0:15:10.280 or at least want to be have plausible deniability of jokes, 0:15:10.280 --> 0:15:12.160 so that like, if you take them seriously, he can 0:15:12.200 --> 0:15:14.240 make fun of you for falling for the bit. But 0:15:14.640 --> 0:15:18.239 he describes himself on Twitter as an aspiring nudist, bodybuilder, 0:15:18.560 --> 0:15:23.560 free speech and anti zeno estrogen activist, So just just 0:15:23.640 --> 0:15:25.320 the most irritating. 0:15:24.760 --> 0:15:27.400 Kind of guy, the normal guy. 0:15:28.040 --> 0:15:32.440 Much of his politics centers around a worship of ancient Greece, 0:15:32.920 --> 0:15:38.200 which he believes settled on these scientifically ideal human form. 0:15:38.480 --> 0:15:41.920 He believes men should engage in bodybuilding and nude sunbathing 0:15:41.960 --> 0:15:44.440 to emulate the Greeks, And you'll see sometimes his followers 0:15:44.440 --> 0:15:46.120 be like, oh, you're an idiot if you fell for that. 0:15:46.440 --> 0:15:48.960 But legitimately half of what this guy posts about is 0:15:49.000 --> 0:15:53.160 just pictures of bodybuilders, and his pictures of himself being 0:15:53.240 --> 0:15:57.160 looking very jacked like he's he's it's it's that. If 0:15:57.160 --> 0:16:00.240 that's all a bit, then all he has is this 0:16:00.320 --> 0:16:03.320 silly bit, because it is it is dominant in his content. 0:16:04.280 --> 0:16:08.640 BAP's ancient Greek or baps. Ancient Greeks are incredibly straight 0:16:08.720 --> 0:16:11.280 and hate women with a passion. One of those things 0:16:11.320 --> 0:16:16.640 is more or less right Greek, like upperclass Greeks, not 0:16:16.840 --> 0:16:23.040 super pro women, yeah, not woke. The Cathedral, in his eyes, 0:16:23.160 --> 0:16:26.920 is an oppressive dictatorship of femininity, if not always of 0:16:26.960 --> 0:16:31.240 women over masculinity. Cancel culture is a particular topic of 0:16:31.280 --> 0:16:34.120 his ire, and he seems to see it as basically 0:16:34.160 --> 0:16:38.000 these that there are traditionally feminine methods of argumentation and conflict, 0:16:38.040 --> 0:16:39.920 whether or not women are the ones doing them in 0:16:39.960 --> 0:16:44.480 any given situation. Cancel culture is like the purest expression 0:16:44.520 --> 0:16:46.880 of this, and he believes that these kind of feminine 0:16:46.880 --> 0:16:52.120 methods of conflict destroy masculinity and make cultural progress impossible. 0:16:52.360 --> 0:16:55.840 They chain men to this kind of like he sees, 0:16:56.240 --> 0:16:58.320 you know how a lot of anarchists will talk about 0:16:58.320 --> 0:17:02.280 how ancient society, these hunter gatherer societies, and like we're 0:17:02.360 --> 0:17:05.960 often more egalitarian than a lot of like medieval societies, 0:17:06.000 --> 0:17:10.159 classical societies, and this is often a lot of folks 0:17:10.240 --> 0:17:13.159 do make the mistake of like idealizing these cultures. But 0:17:13.320 --> 0:17:15.560 like that's a thing that gets talked about a lot 0:17:15.640 --> 0:17:20.760 positively by by by some anarchists and I think obviously 0:17:20.880 --> 0:17:24.520 worth studying. He takes the opposite tact of like these 0:17:24.560 --> 0:17:28.000 ancient cultures like light, like people lived in the fucking 0:17:28.080 --> 0:17:30.840 mud and were miserable, and it was because they were't 0:17:30.840 --> 0:17:34.240 a galitarian. It was because the women were dominating the men. Right, 0:17:35.280 --> 0:17:37.119 this is going to lead us to the long house 0:17:37.160 --> 0:17:39.480 in short order, but we have somewhare to cover right here. 0:17:40.320 --> 0:17:43.840 So he focuses a huge amount on anti egalitarian arguments 0:17:44.119 --> 0:17:48.240 and on supporting a culture dominated by strong, beautiful, powerful 0:17:48.280 --> 0:17:51.480 people who look like Greek statues and suppress women and 0:17:51.560 --> 0:17:56.359 anyone else who doesn't look sexy. Basically, you get to 0:17:56.400 --> 0:17:58.320 feel like that's a big part of it to this guy, 0:17:58.680 --> 0:18:02.320 like he wants he wants a dictatorship of hot, violent men. 0:18:03.320 --> 0:18:05.639 That's that's a big part of what he argues with. 0:18:06.119 --> 0:18:11.359 Has he watched Lenny riefenstyles Olympia because this scene, Oh god, yeah, 0:18:11.440 --> 0:18:13.200 I feel like that's playing in the back of his 0:18:13.359 --> 0:18:14.840 fucking mind at all times. 0:18:15.000 --> 0:18:15.720 Yeah. 0:18:15.960 --> 0:18:20.080 Now, Bapp argues that the state in its present form 0:18:20.160 --> 0:18:23.000 preserves the lives of the weak and feeble minded, allowing 0:18:23.040 --> 0:18:25.679 them to oppress the naked Aryan bodybuilders who by all 0:18:25.760 --> 0:18:29.399 rights ought to run things. The prime repository of his 0:18:29.400 --> 0:18:33.880 philosophy is his twenty eighteen book Bronze Age Mindset, which 0:18:33.960 --> 0:18:36.080 was at one point in the top one hundred and 0:18:36.080 --> 0:18:40.200 fifty books on Amazon. A former Trump White House official 0:18:40.200 --> 0:18:43.960 Toad Politico in twenty nineteen, if you're a young person, intelligent, 0:18:44.040 --> 0:18:46.520 adjacent in some way to the right, it's very likely 0:18:46.560 --> 0:18:49.960 you would have heard of it. In chapter thirty five 0:18:50.040 --> 0:18:54.160 of his book Bronze Age, the Bronze Age Mindset bap 0:18:54.280 --> 0:18:57.240 rights quote, should the tyranny that has descended on our 0:18:57.280 --> 0:18:59.399 age ever gain the power it seeks and then be 0:18:59.520 --> 0:19:02.800 challenged enough to feel itself in danger? The mass annihilations 0:19:02.840 --> 0:19:06.359 that will be carried out by homosexual, transsexual, and especially 0:19:06.440 --> 0:19:10.439 lesbian commissars will exceed in scale and cruelty anything that 0:19:10.480 --> 0:19:14.920 has yet happened in known history. Imagine lesbian Mulata commissars 0:19:14.920 --> 0:19:18.159 with young Martin sheen face and haircut manning the future. 0:19:18.200 --> 0:19:21.960 Bergen Belson's installations that will span tens of miles. 0:19:22.560 --> 0:19:24.840 Yep, sending you to the transgender goolag. 0:19:25.720 --> 0:19:30.119 Yeah, it's it's it's something else, and it's very funny 0:19:30.119 --> 0:19:34.879 because like that fucking the Atlantic writer here like talks 0:19:34.880 --> 0:19:38.320 about how he's he's got this like almost hypnotizing quality 0:19:38.359 --> 0:19:42.040 to his writing, and he's he's got this really like, uh, 0:19:42.320 --> 0:19:45.080 fascinating mind that you just want to engage with, and 0:19:45.119 --> 0:19:48.919 it's I'll read you a fucking quote from this guy's 0:19:49.680 --> 0:19:53.600 profile on Bronze Age pervert and try not to gag. 0:19:53.960 --> 0:19:57.520 I consider myself a connoisseur of brilliant lunatics, and I 0:19:57.560 --> 0:20:00.360 have a high tolerance for their lunacy if it has 0:20:00.440 --> 0:20:04.400 compensating virtues of say humor or ingenuity. But even I 0:20:04.440 --> 0:20:07.639 find back worrisome what starts as comedy can become something 0:20:07.640 --> 0:20:11.680 more sinister and bap shtick. Well sometimes hilarious shows every 0:20:12.080 --> 0:20:15.760 sign of transforming into a mode of new far right radicalism. 0:20:16.040 --> 0:20:18.040 He goes on at a various point to be like, yeah, 0:20:18.080 --> 0:20:19.960 he likes this book that I like. So I was 0:20:20.000 --> 0:20:21.760 willing to put up with the fact that he was 0:20:22.600 --> 0:20:25.720 he was bigoted for years because like we would talk 0:20:25.760 --> 0:20:30.240 about literature together, you know, I just had so much 0:20:30.320 --> 0:20:33.600 respect for his mind that I was willing to be 0:20:33.640 --> 0:20:35.760 strung along for a long time. I don't I find 0:20:35.760 --> 0:20:36.400 this guy kind. 0:20:36.320 --> 0:20:41.840 Of connoisseur yea a connoisseur of pig shit. 0:20:42.480 --> 0:20:43.600 Yeah. 0:20:43.640 --> 0:20:46.520 I really love sifting through all the different types of 0:20:46.600 --> 0:20:47.600 donkey dogs. 0:20:47.720 --> 0:20:50.800 Yeah, I just can't stick quite enough shit. 0:20:51.240 --> 0:20:58.360 Uh you know what make you become a connish there 0:20:58.400 --> 0:21:00.440 of dog shit? Internet content? 0:21:00.600 --> 0:21:03.080 What what? James what? James? 0:21:03.200 --> 0:21:03.240 What? 0:21:03.400 --> 0:21:03.520 Will? 0:21:03.760 --> 0:21:06.040 Well, it's it's a Washington State Highway patrol. 0:21:06.359 --> 0:21:12.320 Uh, that's that's I hope they are ready for the 0:21:12.400 --> 0:21:15.760 lesbian commissars. Oh you know, I know, I am. 0:21:16.080 --> 0:21:29.359 Yeah, there the work police. 0:21:31.720 --> 0:21:33.800 Ah. And we'll back. 0:21:34.200 --> 0:21:37.680 We're back, We're back back, We're back. 0:21:38.359 --> 0:21:38.840 We're back. 0:21:39.640 --> 0:21:39.800 Oh. 0:21:39.840 --> 0:21:42.840 Yeah. So it was Joseph Conrad's novel Nostromo that that 0:21:42.960 --> 0:21:47.480 this Atlantic writer and uh and Bronze Age Pervitt both loved. Yeah, yeah, 0:21:47.640 --> 0:21:50.879 here origin another fucking paragraph. For many years we corresponded. 0:21:51.200 --> 0:21:54.560 Costin's messages arrived regularly, and the tone ranged from friendly 0:21:54.560 --> 0:21:57.280 and inquisitive to boorish and insulting. I went to South 0:21:57.320 --> 0:22:00.520 America on assignment. He sent long messages extolling the issues 0:22:00.520 --> 0:22:04.000 of Joseph Conrad's Nostromo, which is selt there set there. 0:22:04.119 --> 0:22:06.480