Speaker 1: It could happen here a podcast about frustrating people and
Speaker 1: frustrating times. That's not all it's about. Sometimes we talk
Speaker 1: about nice things like like raising sheep or unionization efforts,
Speaker 1: you know, the endless struggle of working people to better
Speaker 1: the world. But not today. Today we're having a real,
Speaker 1: real piece of ship episode about a real piece of ship,
Speaker 1: and it's gonna make everybody unhappy. Hello Garrison, Hello James.
Speaker 1: How are you both doing today?
Speaker 2: So much better for hearing that, Robert, Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, I.
Speaker 3: Just ready to have a fine evening here, ye about
Speaker 3: something that's probably very fun.
Speaker 2: Yeah, going to be good. You don't have you don't
Speaker 2: have your soda stream? Disappointed in you?
Speaker 1: James and I are now so toa stream pilled.
Speaker 3: Not I've not gotten the company so to stream yet
Speaker 3: that has must generation.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the unfortunately the company beverage is is Billy Beer.
Speaker 1: Uh Billy Carter Jimmy Carter's Brothers beer that was on
Speaker 1: sale for roughly a year in the nineteen seventies.
Speaker 2: Is it made of peanuts? If only?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 1: So today let's start. I got a question for you.
Speaker 1: Have either of you seen the Barbie movie?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 5: I have.
Speaker 1: I was it well done, Gear.
Speaker 2: Oh I didn't go buddy sold gear.
Speaker 3: The said dress thing was was nice.
Speaker 5: It was.
Speaker 6: It was a great lesson in like liberal recuperation. I'm sure,
Speaker 6: I'm sure.
Speaker 3: I'm sure it'll be great for like kids who like
Speaker 3: don't know who like don't know what feminism is.
Speaker 6: But but yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it seems I have not watched it either. It
Speaker 1: doesn't seem like my kind of movie. But it seems
Speaker 1: broadly act correct me if I'm wrong here, that it
Speaker 1: has what you might call like very very modest and
Speaker 1: fairly mainstream approachable feminist message. Yeah, yeah, that seems like
Speaker 1: it's fair, which most people would not be particularly angry about.
Speaker 1: But a sizable chunk of the very online right, the
Speaker 1: chunk of the right, particularly that makes their living by
Speaker 1: having takes on shit has has has been up in
Speaker 1: arms ever since it came out, and particularly ever since
Speaker 1: it made more than a billion dollars in the box office.
Speaker 1: I'm sure a lot of people are aware that our
Speaker 1: old friend Ben Shapiro filmed a forty two minute video
Speaker 1: tearing it apart and his signature preteen stolen Valor voice boy.
Speaker 3: After I watched the movie, me and some friends tried
Speaker 3: to watch the Ben Shapiro video for fun. We made
Speaker 3: it like six minutes in, and that everyone forced me
Speaker 3: to stop.
Speaker 1: Intolerable shit. Cowards. Cowards are cowards. But that's yeah. So
Speaker 1: elsewhere in the right and kind of the less mainstream
Speaker 1: acceptable chunks of what we'd call the insurgent right around here,
Speaker 1: various thought leaders attempted to declare the movie stealth conservative
Speaker 1: propaganda as a way of insisting that its success was
Speaker 1: really due to it being anti woke. That's silly too.
Speaker 1: None of this is worth discussing in detail. I promise
Speaker 1: you all, this is not going to be a podcast
Speaker 1: about the fucking Barbie movie. None of this is worth
Speaker 1: discussing in detail, save to say that Shapiro's anger at
Speaker 1: the movie, and particularly its comic relief character Kin, seems
Speaker 1: to have been the more wide spread response from those
Speaker 1: kinds of people. Now, because I have made, over the
Speaker 1: years a lot of poor decisions in my browsing and
Speaker 1: engaging habits. Over the years, Twitter sends me a lot
Speaker 1: of weirdo right wing responses to everything that happens in
Speaker 1: the world, including this movie and one of these posts
Speaker 1: that I caught somewhere in late July or on the
Speaker 1: twenty second, twenty third caught my eye. Now this post
Speaker 1: features a vapor wave filtered kin photoshopped in front of
Speaker 1: a burning Viking long house, accompanied by the text exit
Speaker 1: the long house. Now, when you see something like this
Speaker 1: and you don't know what they're getting at, like, you
Speaker 1: have two choices. If you're like, you get like, I
Speaker 1: don't know, kids, a really demanding job, anything at all
Speaker 1: going on in your personal life, you scroll right past it.
Speaker 1: If you're me, you spend like four and a half
Speaker 1: hours reading various fascist essays about feminism to try to
Speaker 1: figure out what the fuck a longhouse has to do
Speaker 1: with the Barbie movie. Now, the guy who had made
Speaker 1: this post is a low level fascist political columnist named Lomez.
Speaker 1: He is, he's kind of on me. He's a little
Speaker 1: bit of volapild. He's he doesn't he's not like a
Speaker 1: very major figure. He's kind of several steps below anyone
Speaker 1: you've heard of. I would say, like two or three
Speaker 1: steps standard deviations of fame below like Jack Pisobiec. But
Speaker 1: his writing has a degree of purchase among the kinds
Speaker 1: of conservatives who trick Ron DeSantis into running in comprehensible
Speaker 1: campaign ads with son rads in them he has. He's like,
Speaker 1: he's got a little bit of influence among that kind
Speaker 1: of crew, and he's sort of in the conversation with
Speaker 1: a lot of those people. I took notice of his
Speaker 1: post because I'd seen the term long house being used
Speaker 1: by a couple of these guys off and on, and
Speaker 1: because Lomes's post got like three thousand something likes, which
Speaker 1: meant that, yeah, there's some community out there that gets
Speaker 1: what he's talking about. So on a whim, I clicked
Speaker 1: to view the quote tweets for this post, and I
Speaker 1: found a post by a user named Siege, which is
Speaker 1: of course a reference to a book about carrying out
Speaker 1: acts of terrorism in order to bring about a white
Speaker 1: Ethno state. The post says, Kin is you. He is
Speaker 1: an exaggerated Western man in the twenty first century, anxious, confused,
Speaker 1: chasing women who don't care about him. He exits the
Speaker 1: long House and discovers his own will to power. Like you,
Speaker 1: he decides to bring this knowledge back to his fellow man,
Speaker 1: and it's you know, I'm gonna I'll show you guys
Speaker 1: this this post here. It's pretty pretty Nazi. Yeah, pretty
Speaker 1: pretty Nazi.
Speaker 2: It's not the best work on Ken, like he guys
Speaker 2: looks like a blob.
Speaker 1: No, I will say I have a little bit of
Speaker 1: respect for the craft here that he didn't just go
Speaker 1: to an ai that looks like somebody like crudely cut
Speaker 1: a picture of kin that they have like uh uh,
Speaker 1: color inverted and then photoshopped it into a picture of
Speaker 1: a long house with a fire behind it.
Speaker 2: It's too.
Speaker 6: I will say. Uh.
Speaker 3: Sieg's description of Ken from the from the from the
Speaker 3: Barbie movie is pretty accurate to what's in the film.
Speaker 1: M that's good. So what is the long house? What
Speaker 1: the fuck does a long house have to do with
Speaker 1: what are otherwise pretty standard neo Nazi esque messaging about,
Speaker 1: you know, the decadence and failure of modern man and
Speaker 1: all that kind of shit. And is this dumb fascist
Speaker 1: memes something that you need to care about now? Unfortunately
Speaker 1: the answer to that is yes, because all of this
Speaker 1: ties back to one extremely influential, insurgent right wing ideologue
Speaker 1: whose followers have been close to the presidency once before
Speaker 1: and may yet find themselves there again. That asshole is
Speaker 1: an mi I T graduate named Kostin Alamaru who posts
Speaker 1: online under variations of the name Bronze Age Pervert. You guys,
Speaker 1: how aware are you of Bronze Age Pervert or BAP
Speaker 1: as he's often known.
Speaker 2: I've heard of BAP, but maybe only in passing because
Speaker 2: I wasn't familiar with Bronze age pervert. Thank you, yeah,
Speaker 2: thank you for sharing with me today.
Speaker 1: Robert, Oh, oh, You're going to be so much less happy, Garrison,
Speaker 1: are you familiar with this fella?
Speaker 3: I think I may have only seen stuff from him
Speaker 3: in passing. I'm not I'm not overly familiar.
Speaker 5: Now.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was kind of my experience until like a
Speaker 1: month or so ago when I started really digging into
Speaker 1: the guy. And I don't feel better as a result
Speaker 1: of having done that. But uh, yeah, we know that
Speaker 1: this guy's actual name is Kostin Alamariu because of a
Speaker 1: very recent Atlantic articles, like a month ago, that this
Speaker 1: guy got revealed in this article because this writer for
Speaker 1: The Atlantic was a friend of his, like at mit,
Speaker 1: like it was just somebody who like and recognized his
Speaker 1: voice on a podcast. Now, this article, I find it
Speaker 1: frustrating for a number of reasons. I don't think it's
Speaker 1: great analysis of BAP's work or what people find appealing
Speaker 1: in it or a particularly honest, intellectual look at what
Speaker 1: this guy has to say. But it does have some
Speaker 1: interesting reveals, including the fact that Bronze Age Pervert's first
Speaker 1: public media appearance was a parody audio tour for an
Speaker 1: exhibition at the Boston Museum of Fine Arts, written by
Speaker 1: bj Novak, who played Ryan in the Office. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: that's that's odd, and it's one of those BJ Novak
Speaker 1: is not a stealth Nazi, don't worry. But the video
Speaker 1: or the thing that they put together does kind of
Speaker 1: fit it for like a fascist art project. And I'm
Speaker 1: going to read how The Atlantic describes this audio tour
Speaker 1: they put together together, or put that they assembled together.
Speaker 1: Novak had recruited a Romanian classmate with a deep voice,
Speaker 1: and together they'd recorded an audio tour for the exhibition
Speaker 1: Tales from the Land of Dragons a Thousand Years of
Speaker 1: Chinese Painting, with the help of friends. They then slipped
Speaker 1: cassettes containing their tour into the museum's official audio guides.
Speaker 1: Art lovers must have wondered about the thick Eastern European
Speaker 1: accent that greeted them over the twang of a Chinese
Speaker 1: string instrument. The Romanians soon became opinionated. Personally, he said,
Speaker 1: I think this painting is a piece of crap. Then deranged,
Speaker 1: he alluded to his disgusting anatomical abnormalities. He called his
Speaker 1: listeners decadent imperialist maggots, and confessed a desire to smash
Speaker 1: a glass case with a sledgehammer and rip a scroll
Speaker 1: to shreds with my teeth, which, by the way, are
Speaker 1: extremely long and sharp, more like fangs than human teeth.
Speaker 1: At last, he offered an interlude of idiot music while
Speaker 1: he fumbled with his script. This should keep you occupied,
Speaker 1: you drooling, imbecile, he bellowed at the listeners, by now
Speaker 1: either amused or complaining to management. So there's like there's
Speaker 1: like little little whiffs of degenerate art stuff in there,
Speaker 1: but it's also just kind of like they like a
Speaker 1: little bit like Max head roomy kind of stuff, like
Speaker 1: where you're kind of tricking people into into into consuming
Speaker 1: this like parody artwork thing. Like again, I think this
Speaker 1: was a pretty innocent joke on Novak's fall part. But
Speaker 1: Costin number one probably got picked for this because he's
Speaker 1: a he's he's got a thick Romanian accent that he
Speaker 1: very much plays up. He was noted in this time
Speaker 1: as kind of talking like Dracula deliberately. He also would
Speaker 1: always wear these like long and elaborate black coats, so
Speaker 1: that he kind of looked like a Dracula type figure,
Speaker 1: like he was, you know, he was he was doing
Speaker 1: a bit. He was putting on like a That was
Speaker 1: the image he wanted to He wanted to portray himself
Speaker 1: as to people as kind of like mysterious and Eastern
Speaker 1: European sort of sort of figure.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 1: Costin first started posting as bronze age pervert on a
Speaker 1: series of obscure web forums in twenty ten. In the
Speaker 1: November of twenty thirteen, he joined Twitter and immediately fell
Speaker 1: in with a loose community that some people call frog Twitter.
Speaker 1: And these are you know who these guys are. It's
Speaker 1: like a general term for anonymous alt right adjacent posters
Speaker 1: with like pepe avatars. Yeah, and the other group the
Speaker 1: kind of related people that he fell in with and
Speaker 1: that he started to have traction with our adherents to
Speaker 1: a fascist philosopher known as Curtis Jarvin or Minsius Moldbug.
Speaker 1: Curtis is his real name. Minsius Moldbug is the pseudonym.
Speaker 1: He wrote under now I know it's a it's these.
Speaker 2: People this shit, man, it's just so pathetic, like play
Speaker 2: Dungeons and Dragons.
Speaker 1: Just a solid twenty percent of our fascist problems are
Speaker 1: like people didn't get a reliable D and D group
Speaker 1: early enough, like a lot of these I think Balder's
Speaker 1: Gate three is gonna save us from a lot of
Speaker 1: these guys in the future.
Speaker 2: The Antifa computer game. Yeah.
Speaker 5: So.
Speaker 1: Curtis Yarvin aka Mensius is a UC Berkeley graduate in
Speaker 1: computer science who joined the tech industry and got pilled
Speaker 1: on a strain of anti democratic libertarian theory.
Speaker 2: This is this is like a this is a pathway, man, Yeah,
Speaker 2: this is perfect well.
Speaker 1: Bronze age pervert also goes into tech after graduating from
Speaker 1: m i T. Right, and like, you know, a decent
Speaker 1: number of these guys come out of like Stanford and shit,
Speaker 1: like it's all, uh, it's all these guys who are,
Speaker 1: in fact, to some extent, like intellectual elites, bronze age perverts.
Speaker 1: Dad is a teacher at mi T, like just kind
Speaker 1: of like you look at like Stephen Miller's background, Right,
Speaker 1: A lot of these guys come out of like liberal
Speaker 1: academia families. But anyway, it's very common. Yeah. Curtis comes
Speaker 1: out of uh yeah, gets into the tech industry and
Speaker 1: he writes a book kind of while he's he's working
Speaker 1: and like he's a he's a founder and stuff for
Speaker 1: some company. He writes a book in two thousand and
Speaker 1: one titled Democracy, The God That Failed, follows it up
Speaker 1: with a series of blog essays, and his writing becomes
Speaker 1: very influential amongst Silicon Valley proto fascists. Jarvin's ideas in
Speaker 1: brief is that the US is run and a lot
Speaker 1: of Western society is really run by what he calls
Speaker 1: the Cathedral, which is a mix of professors and journalists
Speaker 1: who act as a Brahmin class dominating the United States
Speaker 1: with a progressive state religion. He sees their egalitarian impulses
Speaker 1: as toxic the destruction of natural civic order, and advocates
Speaker 1: for his followers to design new architectures of exit to
Speaker 1: replace the Cathedral with what is effectively a right wing dictatorship.
Speaker 1: The number one supporter of Curtis Yarvin's ideas and financial
Speaker 1: backer of him is Peter Teel Teal has a funded
Speaker 1: Jarvin's work as a big fan of what he has
Speaker 1: to say and his philosophy, which is generally referred to
Speaker 1: as the Dark Enlightenment. And this is when we're talking
Speaker 1: about dark Enlightenment, we're talking like mid aughts is kind
Speaker 1: of when this stuff starts to really take off. This
Speaker 1: is before the alt right that kind of becomes really
Speaker 1: well known nationwide. Is A is A is a major term.
Speaker 1: This is like in the pre and right around gamer
Speaker 1: Gate period is when he's really starting to take off
Speaker 1: with a lot of folks. And he certainly he feeds
Speaker 1: into the alt right to Trump, you know, and to
Speaker 1: that period of time, but he's much more on the
Speaker 1: the pseudo intellectual end of things as opposed to the
Speaker 1: like hitting folks in the street end of things. That's
Speaker 1: what he gets a lot of Peter Teel money. So
Speaker 1: uh yeah, Bronze Age Pervert is kind of a he
Speaker 1: He espouses a philosophy that rhymes with with moldbugs with
Speaker 1: Yarvin's philosophy in many ways, but where Yarvin dresses his
Speaker 1: words and is writing up in a costume version of
Speaker 1: mainstream academic discourse, Bronze Age Pervert is unapot apologetically online
Speaker 1: and weird and he writes, like somebody who spends too
Speaker 1: much fucking time on the Internet. A lot of his
Speaker 1: stuff is cloaked in things that are like half jokes,
Speaker 1: or at least want to be have plausible deniability of jokes,
Speaker 1: so that like, if you take them seriously, he can
Speaker 1: make fun of you for falling for the bit. But
Speaker 1: he describes himself on Twitter as an aspiring nudist, bodybuilder,
Speaker 1: free speech and anti zeno estrogen activist, So just just
Speaker 1: the most irritating.
Speaker 2: Kind of guy, the normal guy.
Speaker 1: Much of his politics centers around a worship of ancient Greece,
Speaker 1: which he believes settled on these scientifically ideal human form.
Speaker 1: He believes men should engage in bodybuilding and nude sunbathing
Speaker 1: to emulate the Greeks, And you'll see sometimes his followers
Speaker 1: be like, oh, you're an idiot if you fell for that.
Speaker 1: But legitimately half of what this guy posts about is
Speaker 1: just pictures of bodybuilders, and his pictures of himself being
Speaker 1: looking very jacked like he's he's it's it's that. If
Speaker 1: that's all a bit, then all he has is this
Speaker 1: silly bit, because it is it is dominant in his content.
Speaker 1: BAP's ancient Greek or baps. Ancient Greeks are incredibly straight
Speaker 1: and hate women with a passion. One of those things
Speaker 1: is more or less right Greek, like upperclass Greeks, not
Speaker 1: super pro women, yeah, not woke. The Cathedral, in his eyes,
Speaker 1: is an oppressive dictatorship of femininity, if not always of
Speaker 1: women over masculinity. Cancel culture is a particular topic of
Speaker 1: his ire, and he seems to see it as basically
Speaker 1: these that there are traditionally feminine methods of argumentation and conflict,
Speaker 1: whether or not women are the ones doing them in
Speaker 1: any given situation. Cancel culture is like the purest expression
Speaker 1: of this, and he believes that these kind of feminine
Speaker 1: methods of conflict destroy masculinity and make cultural progress impossible.
Speaker 1: They chain men to this kind of like he sees,
Speaker 1: you know how a lot of anarchists will talk about
Speaker 1: how ancient society, these hunter gatherer societies, and like we're
Speaker 1: often more egalitarian than a lot of like medieval societies,
Speaker 1: classical societies, and this is often a lot of folks
Speaker 1: do make the mistake of like idealizing these cultures. But
Speaker 1: like that's a thing that gets talked about a lot
Speaker 1: positively by by by some anarchists and I think obviously
Speaker 1: worth studying. He takes the opposite tact of like these
Speaker 1: ancient cultures like light, like people lived in the fucking
Speaker 1: mud and were miserable, and it was because they were't
Speaker 1: a galitarian. It was because the women were dominating the men. Right,
Speaker 1: this is going to lead us to the long house
Speaker 1: in short order, but we have somewhare to cover right here.
Speaker 1: So he focuses a huge amount on anti egalitarian arguments
Speaker 1: and on supporting a culture dominated by strong, beautiful, powerful
Speaker 1: people who look like Greek statues and suppress women and
Speaker 1: anyone else who doesn't look sexy. Basically, you get to
Speaker 1: feel like that's a big part of it to this guy,
Speaker 1: like he wants he wants a dictatorship of hot, violent men.
Speaker 1: That's that's a big part of what he argues with.
Speaker 1: Has he watched Lenny riefenstyles Olympia because this scene, Oh god, yeah,
Speaker 1: I feel like that's playing in the back of his
Speaker 1: fucking mind at all times.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Now, Bapp argues that the state in its present form
Speaker 1: preserves the lives of the weak and feeble minded, allowing
Speaker 1: them to oppress the naked Aryan bodybuilders who by all
Speaker 1: rights ought to run things. The prime repository of his
Speaker 1: philosophy is his twenty eighteen book Bronze Age Mindset, which
Speaker 1: was at one point in the top one hundred and
Speaker 1: fifty books on Amazon. A former Trump White House official
Speaker 1: Toad Politico in twenty nineteen, if you're a young person, intelligent,
Speaker 1: adjacent in some way to the right, it's very likely
Speaker 1: you would have heard of it. In chapter thirty five
Speaker 1: of his book Bronze Age, the Bronze Age Mindset bap
Speaker 1: rights quote, should the tyranny that has descended on our
Speaker 1: age ever gain the power it seeks and then be
Speaker 1: challenged enough to feel itself in danger? The mass annihilations
Speaker 1: that will be carried out by homosexual, transsexual, and especially
Speaker 1: lesbian commissars will exceed in scale and cruelty anything that
Speaker 1: has yet happened in known history. Imagine lesbian Mulata commissars
Speaker 1: with young Martin sheen face and haircut manning the future.
Speaker 1: Bergen Belson's installations that will span tens of miles.
Speaker 2: Yep, sending you to the transgender goolag.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's it's something else, and it's very funny
Speaker 1: because like that fucking the Atlantic writer here like talks
Speaker 1: about how he's he's got this like almost hypnotizing quality
Speaker 1: to his writing, and he's he's got this really like, uh,
Speaker 1: fascinating mind that you just want to engage with, and
Speaker 1: it's I'll read you a fucking quote from this guy's
Speaker 1: profile on Bronze Age pervert and try not to gag.
Speaker 1: I consider myself a connoisseur of brilliant lunatics, and I
Speaker 1: have a high tolerance for their lunacy if it has
Speaker 1: compensating virtues of say humor or ingenuity. But even I
Speaker 1: find back worrisome what starts as comedy can become something
Speaker 1: more sinister and bap shtick. Well sometimes hilarious shows every
Speaker 1: sign of transforming into a mode of new far right radicalism.
Speaker 1: He goes on at a various point to be like, yeah,
Speaker 1: he likes this book that I like. So I was
Speaker 1: willing to put up with the fact that he was
Speaker 1: he was bigoted for years because like we would talk
Speaker 1: about literature together, you know, I just had so much
Speaker 1: respect for his mind that I was willing to be
Speaker 1: strung along for a long time. I don't I find
Speaker 1: this guy kind.
Speaker 6: Of connoisseur yea a connoisseur of pig shit.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I really love sifting through all the different types of
Speaker 3: donkey dogs.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just can't stick quite enough shit.
Speaker 2: Uh you know what make you become a connish there
Speaker 2: of dog shit? Internet content?
Speaker 1: What what? James what? James?
Speaker 3: What?
Speaker 5: Will?
Speaker 2: Well, it's it's a Washington State Highway patrol.
Speaker 1: Uh, that's that's I hope they are ready for the
Speaker 1: lesbian commissars. Oh you know, I know, I am.
Speaker 5: Yeah, there the work police.
Speaker 1: Ah. And we'll back.
Speaker 2: We're back, We're back back, We're back.
Speaker 1: We're back.
Speaker 5: Oh.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So it was Joseph Conrad's novel Nostromo that that
Speaker 1: this Atlantic writer and uh and Bronze Age Pervitt both loved. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: here origin another fucking paragraph. For many years we corresponded.
Speaker 1: Costin's messages arrived regularly, and the tone ranged from friendly
Speaker 1: and inquisitive to boorish and insulting. I went to South
Speaker 1: America on assignment. He sent long messages extolling the issues
Speaker 1: of Joseph Conrad's Nostromo, which is selt there set there.
Speaker 1: A friend who reads books like Nostromo and can talk
Speaker 1: about them is a friend worth putting.
Speaker 2: Up with South America. It's fucking not even a fucking country.
Speaker 1: Just yeah, incredible generally South America. And like right after that,
Speaker 1: he says, after about ten years, he took to calling
Speaker 1: my friends and then he uses a series of slurs.
Speaker 1: At some point he had begun bodybuilding, and he sent
Speaker 1: me a picture of himself shirtless with the message, do
Speaker 1: you like this pic of me?
Speaker 2: Again? A cure guy.
Speaker 1: It's just a just a real genius, so Bronze writings, Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's substating one of the one of the Greeks he's
Speaker 1: obsessed with because he's he claims it, like frames himself
Speaker 1: as an expert on Greek society, which he portrays as
Speaker 1: something of a paradise. But he only knows about like
Speaker 1: six guys and one of the as Alcibiades and Alcibietes,
Speaker 1: was an Athenian general and a statesman who was a
Speaker 1: big player in the Peloponnesian War. He defected from Athens
Speaker 1: to Sparta and then from Sparta to the Persian Empire
Speaker 1: before being recalled and reinstated as an Athenian general. He
Speaker 1: is a real motherfucker and an interesting guy. And because
Speaker 1: he was so interesting and kind of he was very
Speaker 1: charismatic in his own time, and this kind of like
Speaker 1: very shady figure two, he becomes an early celebrity. He's
Speaker 1: like one of the first famous people that's really out there.
Speaker 1: And a big part of why he stays famous is
Speaker 1: that Plato will write a lot about him and Socrates, right,
Speaker 1: and Plato's at writing a after they're dead, So a
Speaker 1: lot of Alcabietes is like a character written by Plato
Speaker 1: as opposed to the actual historical fact about the dude.
Speaker 1: It's also worth noting, given how anti queer bap is,
Speaker 1: that Alcibiades and Socrates were lovers. Socrates was like famously
Speaker 1: kind of a simp for Alcabieties, while also was kind
Speaker 1: of a piece of shit to Socrates. A lot of
Speaker 1: fun stories about that. But these guys were not at
Speaker 1: all straight.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, pederaste was an institution in anteen Greece.
Speaker 2: That pederaste is the same as being.
Speaker 1: No, no, I don't I don't think that's the same
Speaker 1: as what was going on with these two dudes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, these dudes are just.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, happy for mm hmm. Bronze age perverts.
Speaker 1: Rants are profoundly silly to anyone who wasn't a deranged
Speaker 1: chud obsessing over white girls don't like him while shooting
Speaker 1: steroids into his ass. But because that's a fertile demographic,
Speaker 1: he has influence among some important conservatives.
Speaker 2: Form the White House in the technical sense of the word.
Speaker 4: Yeah not not after all those steroids, yeah hit testuestering
Speaker 4: too much.
Speaker 1: Well, and none of these guys will let themselves touch
Speaker 1: a walms because they're they're so they're so horrified by
Speaker 1: the concept of women. So former White House speech writer
Speaker 1: Darren Beattie followed him on Twitter and in a acted
Speaker 1: with his writing, as did Minnesota State Senator Roger Chamberlain.
Speaker 1: Curtis Jarvin called him his White House cell leader. This
Speaker 1: is interesting to me because BAP himself has encouraged his
Speaker 1: young followers to avoid supporting him in public and instead
Speaker 1: of hide their sympathies while taking positions in the government
Speaker 1: to institute his ideas. It's also worth noting that you
Speaker 1: can find some fans of Bronze age pervert on the
Speaker 1: so called anti woke left. There's clips out there from
Speaker 1: the red Scare podcast which the less set about the better,
Speaker 1: where the two hosts read segments of his book with
Speaker 1: a what seems like a degree of appreciation, calling it
Speaker 1: the good kind of racist.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Does that also makes sense in terms of their condess
Speaker 3: they're like anti feminist stuff that they do.
Speaker 1: Yes, Yes, And I think his his writings, he has
Speaker 1: a very like florid purple prose style. I don't think
Speaker 1: it's good writing. I don't find it particularly engaging. It's
Speaker 1: very channy and kind of exhausting. But people who are
Speaker 1: dumbfall for it. So yeah, yeah, he's hit his demo.
Speaker 2: Well.
Speaker 1: Now. His influence is significant enough that some conservatives have
Speaker 1: sought to explain it. I found a fun write up
Speaker 1: on americanmind dot org that describes his appeal this way. So,
Speaker 1: what exactly is the teaching of Bronze age mindset and
Speaker 1: why is it so attractive to so many young men?
Speaker 1: The answer, I think is simple. It is a revitalized
Speaker 1: paganism obsessed with strength and beauty. It appeals to today's
Speaker 1: young men because these things, strength and beauty are exactly
Speaker 1: what contemporary society has tried so hard to deny them.
Speaker 1: The gospel of son and steel, of vitalism, and strength
Speaker 1: and power are exactly would have been denied to the
Speaker 1: boys of the Western world and their spirits militate against this.
Speaker 1: Everything great ever achieved, Bap tells us, was done through
Speaker 1: strong friendships between two men or brotherhoods of men. And
Speaker 1: this includes all great political things, all acts of political
Speaker 1: freedom and power. Now I should note part of what
Speaker 1: he Bap gets at when he's talking about how these
Speaker 1: strong groups friendships of between two men or small brother
Speaker 1: the hoods of men. He is a big advocate and
Speaker 1: one of the reasons why he is popular among like
Speaker 1: the Adam Waffen set is he's a big advocate of
Speaker 1: his followers forming small two, three, four man groups and
Speaker 1: training with weapons together and preparing for the future, you know,
Speaker 1: day of the rope style thing. He doesn't use that term,
Speaker 1: but he's he's speaking to those people from like a
Speaker 1: more educated mindset. And there's I think an extent to
Speaker 1: which you could see his writing as trying to pull
Speaker 1: in that kind of educated upper crust kids of the
Speaker 1: upper middle class, you know, with ivy League educations who
Speaker 1: go into politics, trying to draw them in closer to
Speaker 1: the actual violent insurgent right at least in terms of
Speaker 1: the sympathies of their ideas. And support for methods of
Speaker 1: organizing that are more traditionally found against you know, the
Speaker 1: I Loham City set, right. I think there is a
Speaker 1: degree of that going on here now. Bronze Age Pervert
Speaker 1: is more supportive of Trump than a lot of these guys,
Speaker 1: largely because he finds him funny and sees him as
Speaker 1: an avatar of disruption and destruction.
Speaker 6: Yeah. I think it's it's like an accelerationist support.
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly exactly, which is actually honestly that there's that's
Speaker 1: perfectly logical because Trump is accelerating both the death of
Speaker 1: the kind of conservatism that is state loyal that is
Speaker 1: sort of system loyal, right, the George W. Bush kind
Speaker 1: of conservatism, which.
Speaker 6: Is a conservative system that's like the two thousands.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and Trump is has done damage, terrible damage to
Speaker 1: that and damage to the structure of the state in
Speaker 1: the hole. So it doesn't it's to perfectly logical for
Speaker 1: him to support Trump. He's not like, this is not
Speaker 1: inconsistent with the other things that he talks about. One
Speaker 1: of the people that that Atlantic writer talked to is
Speaker 1: Michael Anton, a former Trump administration national security official who
Speaker 1: wrote a twenty nineteen essay in the Claremont Review of
Speaker 1: Books about Bronze Age Pervert. He acknowledges that Bapp's work
Speaker 1: is racist, anti Semitic, anti democratic, misogynistic, and homophobic, but
Speaker 1: suggested that like, you know that that's all, that's not
Speaker 1: you know, that's not necessarily what he really believes. Maybe
Speaker 1: it is, but the big reason why he does this
Speaker 1: is it key. It distracts leftists from his like his
Speaker 1: more serious, like secret heresies that are like the real, deep, dark,
Speaker 1: arcane wisdom at the center of it, like hang out
Speaker 1: with your bros and trading with guns or whatever, or yeah,
Speaker 1: like heiden the fucking government and waiting for the right
Speaker 1: moment to strike, but then blow it all up when
Speaker 1: you make an ad for Ronda Santis. That kind of
Speaker 1: cleverness anyway. Anton writes that Bronze Age Pervert quote speaks
Speaker 1: directly to a youthful dissatisfaction, especially among white males, with
Speaker 1: equality is propagandized and imposed in our day, a hectoring, vindictive, resentful, leveling,
Speaker 1: hypocritical equality that punishes excellence and publicly denies all differences,
Speaker 1: while at the same time elevating and enriching a decadent
Speaker 1: incompetent and corrupt elite.
Speaker 2: There you go.
Speaker 1: So what does all this have to do with long houses? Well,
Speaker 1: let's finally get to that. Longhouse describes a category of
Speaker 1: dwellings that have existed on basically every land mass and
Speaker 1: the planet in some form, stretching back to the Neolithic period.
Speaker 1: These are, in general, large halls, sometimes with private family
Speaker 1: rooms built into them, sometimes with communal sleeping arrangements, but
Speaker 1: always organized around a large, single communal hall. In ancient days,
Speaker 1: these are where feasts would be held and where groups
Speaker 1: of families or tribes would huddle together in long, cold winters.
Speaker 1: Bronze Age Pervert conceives of the long house as an
Speaker 1: example of the miserable lives primitive and shameful cultures not
Speaker 1: his beloved Greeks lived in before modernity. In his writing,
Speaker 1: he makes it clear that his fear is rule by
Speaker 1: degenerates and our fallen modernity will cause society to regress
Speaker 1: to this prehistoric misery. Now, the heart of his hatred
Speaker 1: of what he calls long house culture is that, in
Speaker 1: his mind, these dwellings were dominated by women who forced
Speaker 1: men to live inside the smoky, cloying, stinking confines this
Speaker 1: is not really accurate to any kind of history. I
Speaker 1: expect his conception here comes largely from the fact that
Speaker 1: long houses are often suspected because we know relatively little
Speaker 1: about many of the cultures that had them, are often
Speaker 1: suspected of having been organized among matrilineal lines. In other words,
Speaker 1: if you, as a dude, merry a lady, you move
Speaker 1: into her family's long house. Right, this does sink out.
Speaker 1: There are modern cultures that lived that had long houses
Speaker 1: or have long houses who also live this way, the
Speaker 1: Iroquois being a good example. Right, there was a long
Speaker 1: house culture and where which house lived in was matrilineal.
Speaker 1: But it is a mistake to characterize matrilineal as meaning
Speaker 1: like the women are completely in charge, because they were
Speaker 1: not an Iroquois culture, nor many other cultures where longhouses existed.
Speaker 1: Vikings lived in longhouses, and you might recognize there's a
Speaker 1: society is not precisely anti masculine.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the Vikings, Yeah.
Speaker 1: The woke vikings. So this is more of a problem though,
Speaker 1: with the conceptions of the longhouse that are spread by
Speaker 1: Bab's followers, because again he's using it as a shorthand
Speaker 1: for the fact that this kind of like prehistoric darkness
Speaker 1: of egalitarianism is going to destroy the only thing that,
Speaker 1: in his view, can bring progress, which is small groups
Speaker 1: of beautiful men enforcing their will through violence. Right, that's
Speaker 1: what he talks about when he's talking about the Long House.
Speaker 1: His followers tend to use the Long House as a
Speaker 1: short end, more of a shorthand for the kind of
Speaker 1: stuff Curtis Yarvin gets at with the cathedral, a catch
Speaker 1: all term for progressive modernity, women who get to say
Speaker 1: no to sex and have their own credit cards, trans
Speaker 1: people on hormones, vegan meat, substitutes, and yes, the Barbie movie.
Speaker 5: Now.
Speaker 1: I open this episode with a post about that movie
Speaker 1: by Lomez, an adherent of Baptism who wrote an interminable
Speaker 1: article on the Long House for a website called First Things,
Speaker 1: which describes itself as America's most influential journal of religion
Speaker 1: and public life.
Speaker 5: I love it is.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I bet it is, buddy, And you can tell
Speaker 2: because they always let you know straightaway. Yeah that's true.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, they really got to hit that up for you.
Speaker 1: I'm going to quote from that now. Even for those
Speaker 1: of us who use it, the Longhouse evades easy summary
Speaker 1: ambivalent to its core. The term is at once politically
Speaker 1: earnest and the punchline to an elaborate in joke. Its
Speaker 1: definition must remain elastic lest it lose its power to
Speaker 1: lampoon the vast constellation of social forces it reviles. It
Speaker 1: refers at once to our increasingly degraded mode of technocratic government,
Speaker 1: but also to wokeness to the progressive, liberal, and secular
Speaker 1: values that pervade all major institutions. The most important feature
Speaker 1: of the long House, and why it makes such a
Speaker 1: resonant and controversial symbol of our current circumstances, is the
Speaker 1: ubiquitous rule of the den mother. More than anything, the
Speaker 1: long House refers to the remarkable over correction of the
Speaker 1: last two generations towards social norms centering femine in needs
Speaker 1: and feminine methods for controlling, directing, and modeling behavior. As
Speaker 1: of twenty twenty two, women held fifty two percent of
Speaker 1: professional managerial roles in the US. Women earn more than
Speaker 1: fifty seven percent of bachelor degrees, sixty one percent of
Speaker 1: master's degrees, and fifty four percent of doctoral degrees, and
Speaker 1: because they're overrepresented in professions such as human resource management,
Speaker 1: and compliance officers that determined workplace behavioral norms. They have
Speaker 1: an outsized influence and professional culture, which itself has an
Speaker 1: outsized influence on American culture more generally so. The Wawright
Speaker 1: taken over human resources, he sounds like he lost to
Speaker 1: fight with his fosaurus when he's writing that, Like, yeah,
Speaker 1: at every point, like he's just using unnecessarily long word. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it's I mean, it's also just like women have
Speaker 1: are dominating society because they they're getting more bachelor's degrees.
Speaker 2: Yep, that's what it is.
Speaker 1: Huh okay, uh huh.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a famous to useful Baptist which always leads
Speaker 2: to employment.
Speaker 1: And position to tremendous wealth.
Speaker 5: Oh.
Speaker 1: Also, and the idea that like human resources are in
Speaker 1: some degree to somehow setting the terms culturally as opposed
Speaker 1: to responding to the needs of corporations to mitigate risk, right,
Speaker 1: Like r's that's what HR actually is. It's not setting
Speaker 1: an agenda, it is avoiding lawsuits, it is minimizing exposure whatever.
Speaker 5: Ye.
Speaker 1: Lomez also goes on to quote Richard Hanania, an influential
Speaker 1: conservative thought leader who is revealed recently to be a
Speaker 1: neo Nazi or at least someone who regularly wrote neo
Speaker 1: Nazi things in neo Nazi parts of the web and
Speaker 1: wants to be seen as respectable. Now, well, we'll talk
Speaker 1: about him later. Lomez approvingly notes that Hanania echoes a
Speaker 1: bapist talking point when he discusses how female domination of
Speaker 1: HR has given them control over public and private institutions.
Speaker 1: Now again, the way Lomez is talking about this shit
Speaker 1: is not actually in line with how Bronze age Pervert
Speaker 1: conceives of the long House. And one of the funnier
Speaker 1: results of everything that I've been talking about today is
Speaker 1: that Bronze age Pervert now spends much of his time
Speaker 1: on Twitter angrily tweeting at his followers that they're using
Speaker 1: the longhouse wrong. I'm gonna read you a post. It
Speaker 1: is from July twenty seventh, longhouse has gone crazy, out
Speaker 1: of control. Usually misused. It's not a synonym for feminism
Speaker 1: or matriarchy, nor for group consensus, though those are part
Speaker 1: of the story. It's a concrete image from pre airy
Speaker 1: in Europe of lower life and of most traditional societies.
Speaker 1: Baby got away from you. Yeah, And some of his
Speaker 1: ire is likely due to the fact that his followers,
Speaker 1: who are largely very young, tend to apply what they
Speaker 1: see as his analysis to children's movies. Here's a real
Speaker 1: good one. Yeah, this is a it's a post for
Speaker 1: a picture of like the female villain from the movie
Speaker 1: Tangled by Activated Sleeper. If you want a good example
Speaker 1: of the nebulous long house, look no further than mother
Speaker 1: gothal Fane narcissism driven by resentment and envy of the young,
Speaker 1: whose primary and most effective weapons are gaslighting, manipulation, and
Speaker 1: the rhetoric of fanatical safety ism. It's good stuff.
Speaker 3: Thank you, Activated Sleeper, for you Activated Sleeper exposing that
Speaker 3: great cutting, cutting commentary on the twenty twelves Tangled.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 1: One of my favorite recent examples of how many of
Speaker 1: these guys use the long house was a post in
Speaker 1: the off my Chest reddit which went viral on Twitter.
Speaker 1: The post is by a woman who says that she
Speaker 1: interrupted her husband while he was telling a story, and
Speaker 1: he was like, hold up, Tony Minner, talking as like
Speaker 1: a joke, and she got angry at this and they
Speaker 1: had a fight. One popular bapist response to this story,
Speaker 1: fifteen hundred likes in counting when I found it, stated
Speaker 1: men attempt to take one comedic step out of the
Speaker 1: long house, and the locks get ten times bigger.
Speaker 2: Jesus Christ. It is.
Speaker 1: It is very silly to like bring up actual history
Speaker 1: with this, but one of the points you'll find and
Speaker 1: like writing about long houses traditionally is that because everyone
Speaker 1: was cooped up in the winter comes spring, the women
Speaker 1: were generally like doing everything they good to get the
Speaker 1: men to fucking leave and go hunter something. They get
Speaker 1: the fuck out of that, get out of here, like,
Speaker 1: go do something else. We need something, need like a
Speaker 1: fucking week or two without you hanging around. Go to yeah,
Speaker 1: go to war, do something. Jesus Christ. Nobody likes being
Speaker 1: cooped up in a fucking long house anyway. That's that's
Speaker 1: the long house. That's uh, bronze age pervert. It is
Speaker 1: kind of worth noting because these guys are convinced that,
Speaker 1: like they are the intellectual vanguard of this movement that's
Speaker 1: going to overturn what is classically described as lib rualism,
Speaker 1: this idea that like people have like rights that are
Speaker 1: worth protecting, and shit, that that's a failed idea. It's
Speaker 1: obviously failed. Look at how ugly buildings are today, and
Speaker 1: they'll post some picture of like the Chicago World's Fair.
Speaker 1: These people are like weirdly adjacent to the the the
Speaker 1: Tataria conspiracy theory that one hundred years ago the world
Speaker 1: was ruled by this like vast advanced Russian empire that
Speaker 1: made all the nice buildings, and then World War Two
Speaker 1: was a secret excuse for the rulers of the world
Speaker 1: to destroy all the good architecture, and that's why buildings
Speaker 1: are ugly.
Speaker 3: I definitely seen like this bad guy in those in
Speaker 3: those like circles of people who are like like culture
Speaker 3: critic or like Greek Greek enjoyer or whatever. Ye, like, yeah,
Speaker 3: those pictures of like like old expensive architecture stuff and
Speaker 3: mixed in with like like either like uh mostly mostly
Speaker 3: like brutalist or like moderness architecture.
Speaker 6: Be like what happened?
Speaker 1: What which way? Well, for one thing, like the society
Speaker 1: that people like you insisted upon this one in which
Speaker 1: like value is maximized at all costs. So we we
Speaker 1: took windows out of my school that was built in
Speaker 1: that brutalist periods because.
Speaker 3: It because like it's like because some like prince bankrupted
Speaker 3: their country building this pretty building, and that's why we
Speaker 3: don't do that anymore.
Speaker 1: Like you thought, like, yeah, jacked dudes with guns should
Speaker 1: run everything started a series of wars that bankrupted those
Speaker 1: countries and they had to sell their nice buildings to
Speaker 1: the Americans. Why we got the London Bridge, I assume.
Speaker 3: But it's it's definitely all that all in like in
Speaker 3: that in that same rough rough Twitter mill you. I mean,
Speaker 3: it's certainly now that you've explained all of this at
Speaker 3: longhou stuff, it certainly makes sense why they're kind of
Speaker 3: fawning over the Barbie movie.
Speaker 6: And I mean very.
Speaker 3: Clearly Ken is going to become one of these like
Speaker 3: a memeable characters because of what he does in the film.
Speaker 3: It's he's he's going to join the pantheon of like
Speaker 3: American Psycho and uh, all.
Speaker 6: Of Ryan Gosling's other roles.
Speaker 5: It is.
Speaker 3: It is fascinating how right Goslin kind of has become
Speaker 3: like the literal poster child for much of like the
Speaker 3: dissident like anti feminist rite just because of the types
Speaker 3: of roles that he's taken.
Speaker 6: But yeah, I mean, it's it's.
Speaker 1: Really questionary tale male actors.
Speaker 3: It certainly makes sense in context of the Barbie Movie
Speaker 3: in terms of how they kind of structured all of
Speaker 3: the like social critique in that in that movie. But
Speaker 3: but yeah, this is very silly. I mean, uh, it's
Speaker 3: I'm excited I won't have to hear much more about
Speaker 3: like the uh the stunning poetic prose of Bronze Age.
Speaker 2: Perfect. Yeah, fucking the Atlantic every time. Never.
Speaker 1: It's so like weird because there's there's this whole thing
Speaker 1: that opens the article where he's talking about how like,
Speaker 1: you know, the the first strains of this new anti democratic,
Speaker 1: you know, anti liberal thinking in academia came out through
Speaker 1: philosophy students who you know, realized that their professors just
Speaker 1: took for granted, you know, the the truth about things
Speaker 1: like the value of human rights and didn't weren't ready
Speaker 1: for their arguments against them. And it was these like
Speaker 1: these people who didn't want to be told not to
Speaker 1: think in certain ways. No, man, they were assholes. They're
Speaker 1: asshole rich kids who needed somebody to hit him in
Speaker 1: the fucking face. They need they need a folding chair
Speaker 1: deployed on them, Like yeah, yeah, you.
Speaker 2: Got to see.
Speaker 3: I demand to shutdown of all coastal universities until we
Speaker 3: figure out what the fuck is going on.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm sorry if you were pretending that
Speaker 1: you are, like somehow in the insurgent underground, uh as
Speaker 1: the son of an M I T professor, going Tom
Speaker 1: I T yourself like you fucking dilat that's all. That's
Speaker 1: all this fucker is is a diletant, and that's all
Speaker 1: most of the people following are. It's a mix of
Speaker 1: dilettants and guys who are going to shoot up walmarts anyway, right, cool.
Speaker 6: Give him a follow, Give a follow.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I'm checking out activated sleeper and I've learned
Speaker 2: a lot already. So oh yeah, yeah, you're getting pilled
Speaker 2: by him? Yeah yeah, yeah, pretty much. I you know,
Speaker 2: as much as one can be hill by a fourteen
Speaker 2: year old. But uh yeah, really interesting stuff here. I
Speaker 2: think fair to say that this is an insight into
Speaker 2: a world. Oh buddy, fuck me, all right, yeah wait,
Speaker 2: we're not talking about that. We are not talking about
Speaker 2: his bedroom wall by everyone.
Speaker 1: Oh oh wait, now I got a lotch James, what
Speaker 1: did you We can bleep it.
Speaker 6: You have to at least tell us what you Oh wow,
Speaker 6: his his pinned.
Speaker 4: It's fucking I'm not sure it's get veteran playing. Yeah,
Speaker 4: what's on the veteran. And what looks like is that
Speaker 4: a German national about like a German? Is that Imperial Germany?
Speaker 1: Yeah? I think this guy is a kaiser Reich.
Speaker 6: Dude, this is certainly impressive.
Speaker 1: I'm sure.
Speaker 6: I'm sure he's getting all the ladies in there.
Speaker 1: I gotta I gotta show you guys this pinned tweet
Speaker 1: and then I'll read it. It's all caps. Let me
Speaker 1: tell you how much I want a FED post. There
Speaker 1: are a hundred billion neurons within my brain. If a
Speaker 1: FED post was written on each and every one those neurons,
Speaker 1: it would not equal one billionth of the compulstion I
Speaker 1: feel feel the FED post at this micro instant fed post,
Speaker 1: FED post that means posting about doing a terrorism So.
Speaker 3: That this is the type of tweet that could either
Speaker 3: come from the sun, like like mentally unwell leftist.
Speaker 5: Yeah yeah yeah.
Speaker 2: The flag he has, just to be clear, it's a
Speaker 2: franco Is flag of Spain, which, okay, it's something that
Speaker 2: good we will have to talk about, which is the
Speaker 2: American right has been embracing franco As like based and
Speaker 2: good uh for a while now, like as this kind
Speaker 2: of returned to Catholic tradition and like it's just anti
Speaker 2: woke crusader.
Speaker 6: I do call it.
Speaker 3: The suggestion follows here on Activit Sleepers Page, son Optimist.
Speaker 1: Aleric, the Barbarian Impernter Philippus.
Speaker 6: These people are such birds.
Speaker 1: Here's he's reached a post from Bronze Age Jacob Eurowski.
Speaker 1: Jews are like the one ring for politics.
Speaker 3: I think I think, I think I think reached the
Speaker 3: I think we reached peak peak.
Speaker 6: I don't think.
Speaker 2: Yes.
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