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Speaker 1: the world. But not today. Today we're having a real,

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Speaker 1: real piece of ship episode about a real piece of ship,

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Speaker 1: and it's gonna make everybody unhappy. Hello Garrison, Hello James.

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Speaker 1: How are you both doing today?

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Speaker 2: So much better for hearing that, Robert, Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, I.

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Speaker 3: Just ready to have a fine evening here, ye about

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Speaker 3: something that's probably very fun.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, going to be good. You don't have you don't

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Speaker 2: have your soda stream? Disappointed in you?

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Speaker 1: James and I are now so toa stream pilled.

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Speaker 3: Not I've not gotten the company so to stream yet

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the unfortunately the company beverage is is Billy Beer.

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Speaker 1: Uh Billy Carter Jimmy Carter's Brothers beer that was on

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Speaker 2: Is it made of peanuts? If only?

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Speaker 1: So today let's start. I got a question for you.

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Speaker 1: Have either of you seen the Barbie movie?

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Speaker 2: Yes?

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Speaker 1: I was it well done, Gear.

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Speaker 3: The said dress thing was was nice.

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Speaker 3: I'm sure it'll be great for like kids who like

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it seems I have not watched it either. It

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Speaker 1: it's fair, which most people would not be particularly angry about.

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Speaker 1: old friend Ben Shapiro filmed a forty two minute video

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Speaker 3: After I watched the movie, me and some friends tried

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Speaker 1: None of this is worth discussing in detail. I promise

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Speaker 1: Robert, Oh, oh, You're going to be so much less happy, Garrison,

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Speaker 1: are you familiar with this fella?

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Speaker 3: I think I may have only seen stuff from him

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Speaker 1: of a piece of shit to Socrates. A lot of

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Speaker 1: fun stories about that. But these guys were not at

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Speaker 1: all straight.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, pederaste was an institution in anteen Greece.

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Speaker 2: That pederaste is the same as being.

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Speaker 1: No, no, I don't I don't think that's the same

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Speaker 1: as what was going on with these two dudes.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, these dudes are just.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, happy for mm hmm. Bronze age perverts.

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Speaker 1: Rants are profoundly silly to anyone who wasn't a deranged

444
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Speaker 1: chud obsessing over white girls don't like him while shooting

445
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Speaker 1: steroids into his ass. But because that's a fertile demographic,

446
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Speaker 1: he has influence among some important conservatives.

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Speaker 2: Form the White House in the technical sense of the word.

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Speaker 4: Yeah not not after all those steroids, yeah hit testuestering

449
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Speaker 4: too much.

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Speaker 1: Well, and none of these guys will let themselves touch

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Speaker 1: a walms because they're they're so they're so horrified by

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Speaker 1: the concept of women. So former White House speech writer

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Speaker 1: Darren Beattie followed him on Twitter and in a acted

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Speaker 1: with his writing, as did Minnesota State Senator Roger Chamberlain.

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Speaker 1: Curtis Jarvin called him his White House cell leader. This

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Speaker 1: is interesting to me because BAP himself has encouraged his

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Speaker 1: young followers to avoid supporting him in public and instead

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Speaker 1: of hide their sympathies while taking positions in the government

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Speaker 1: to institute his ideas. It's also worth noting that you

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Speaker 1: can find some fans of Bronze age pervert on the

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Speaker 1: so called anti woke left. There's clips out there from

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Speaker 1: the red Scare podcast which the less set about the better,

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Speaker 1: where the two hosts read segments of his book with

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Speaker 1: a what seems like a degree of appreciation, calling it

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Speaker 1: the good kind of racist.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Does that also makes sense in terms of their condess

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Speaker 3: they're like anti feminist stuff that they do.

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Speaker 1: Yes, Yes, And I think his his writings, he has

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Speaker 1: a very like florid purple prose style. I don't think

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Speaker 1: it's good writing. I don't find it particularly engaging. It's

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Speaker 1: very channy and kind of exhausting. But people who are

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Speaker 1: dumbfall for it. So yeah, yeah, he's hit his demo.

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Speaker 2: Well.

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Speaker 1: Now. His influence is significant enough that some conservatives have

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Speaker 1: sought to explain it. I found a fun write up

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Speaker 1: on americanmind dot org that describes his appeal this way. So,

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Speaker 1: what exactly is the teaching of Bronze age mindset and

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Speaker 1: why is it so attractive to so many young men?

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Speaker 1: The answer, I think is simple. It is a revitalized

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Speaker 1: paganism obsessed with strength and beauty. It appeals to today's

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Speaker 1: young men because these things, strength and beauty are exactly

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Speaker 1: what contemporary society has tried so hard to deny them.

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Speaker 1: The gospel of son and steel, of vitalism, and strength

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Speaker 1: and power are exactly would have been denied to the

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Speaker 1: boys of the Western world and their spirits militate against this.

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Speaker 1: Everything great ever achieved, Bap tells us, was done through

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Speaker 1: strong friendships between two men or brotherhoods of men. And

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Speaker 1: this includes all great political things, all acts of political

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Speaker 1: freedom and power. Now I should note part of what

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Speaker 1: he Bap gets at when he's talking about how these

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Speaker 1: strong groups friendships of between two men or small brother

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Speaker 1: the hoods of men. He is a big advocate and

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Speaker 1: one of the reasons why he is popular among like

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Speaker 1: the Adam Waffen set is he's a big advocate of

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Speaker 1: his followers forming small two, three, four man groups and

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Speaker 1: training with weapons together and preparing for the future, you know,

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Speaker 1: day of the rope style thing. He doesn't use that term,

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Speaker 1: but he's he's speaking to those people from like a

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Speaker 1: more educated mindset. And there's I think an extent to

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Speaker 1: which you could see his writing as trying to pull

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Speaker 1: in that kind of educated upper crust kids of the

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Speaker 1: upper middle class, you know, with ivy League educations who

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Speaker 1: go into politics, trying to draw them in closer to

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Speaker 1: the actual violent insurgent right at least in terms of

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Speaker 1: the sympathies of their ideas. And support for methods of

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Speaker 1: organizing that are more traditionally found against you know, the

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Speaker 1: I Loham City set, right. I think there is a

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Speaker 1: degree of that going on here now. Bronze Age Pervert

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Speaker 1: is more supportive of Trump than a lot of these guys,

511
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Speaker 1: largely because he finds him funny and sees him as

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Speaker 1: an avatar of disruption and destruction.

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Speaker 6: Yeah. I think it's it's like an accelerationist support.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly exactly, which is actually honestly that there's that's

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Speaker 1: perfectly logical because Trump is accelerating both the death of

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Speaker 1: the kind of conservatism that is state loyal that is

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Speaker 1: sort of system loyal, right, the George W. Bush kind

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Speaker 1: of conservatism, which.

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Speaker 6: Is a conservative system that's like the two thousands.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and Trump is has done damage, terrible damage to

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Speaker 1: that and damage to the structure of the state in

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Speaker 1: the hole. So it doesn't it's to perfectly logical for

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Speaker 1: him to support Trump. He's not like, this is not

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Speaker 1: inconsistent with the other things that he talks about. One

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Speaker 1: of the people that that Atlantic writer talked to is

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Speaker 1: Michael Anton, a former Trump administration national security official who

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Speaker 1: wrote a twenty nineteen essay in the Claremont Review of

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Speaker 1: Books about Bronze Age Pervert. He acknowledges that Bapp's work

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Speaker 1: is racist, anti Semitic, anti democratic, misogynistic, and homophobic, but

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Speaker 1: suggested that like, you know that that's all, that's not

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Speaker 1: you know, that's not necessarily what he really believes. Maybe

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Speaker 1: it is, but the big reason why he does this

534
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Speaker 1: is it key. It distracts leftists from his like his

535
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Speaker 1: more serious, like secret heresies that are like the real, deep, dark,

536
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Speaker 1: arcane wisdom at the center of it, like hang out

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Speaker 1: with your bros and trading with guns or whatever, or yeah,

538
00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:29,320
Speaker 1: like heiden the fucking government and waiting for the right

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Speaker 1: moment to strike, but then blow it all up when

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Speaker 1: you make an ad for Ronda Santis. That kind of

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Speaker 1: cleverness anyway. Anton writes that Bronze Age Pervert quote speaks

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Speaker 1: directly to a youthful dissatisfaction, especially among white males, with

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Speaker 1: equality is propagandized and imposed in our day, a hectoring, vindictive, resentful, leveling,

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Speaker 1: hypocritical equality that punishes excellence and publicly denies all differences,

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Speaker 1: while at the same time elevating and enriching a decadent

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Speaker 1: incompetent and corrupt elite.

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Speaker 2: There you go.

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Speaker 1: So what does all this have to do with long houses? Well,

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Speaker 1: let's finally get to that. Longhouse describes a category of

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Speaker 1: dwellings that have existed on basically every land mass and

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Speaker 1: the planet in some form, stretching back to the Neolithic period.

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Speaker 1: These are, in general, large halls, sometimes with private family

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Speaker 1: rooms built into them, sometimes with communal sleeping arrangements, but

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Speaker 1: always organized around a large, single communal hall. In ancient days,

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Speaker 1: these are where feasts would be held and where groups

556
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Speaker 1: of families or tribes would huddle together in long, cold winters.

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Speaker 1: Bronze Age Pervert conceives of the long house as an

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Speaker 1: example of the miserable lives primitive and shameful cultures not

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Speaker 1: his beloved Greeks lived in before modernity. In his writing,

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Speaker 1: he makes it clear that his fear is rule by

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Speaker 1: degenerates and our fallen modernity will cause society to regress

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Speaker 1: to this prehistoric misery. Now, the heart of his hatred

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Speaker 1: of what he calls long house culture is that, in

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Speaker 1: his mind, these dwellings were dominated by women who forced

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Speaker 1: men to live inside the smoky, cloying, stinking confines this

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Speaker 1: is not really accurate to any kind of history. I

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Speaker 1: expect his conception here comes largely from the fact that

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Speaker 1: long houses are often suspected because we know relatively little

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Speaker 1: about many of the cultures that had them, are often

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Speaker 1: suspected of having been organized among matrilineal lines. In other words,

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Speaker 1: if you, as a dude, merry a lady, you move

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Speaker 1: into her family's long house. Right, this does sink out.

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Speaker 1: There are modern cultures that lived that had long houses

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Speaker 1: or have long houses who also live this way, the

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Speaker 1: Iroquois being a good example. Right, there was a long

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Speaker 1: house culture and where which house lived in was matrilineal.

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Speaker 1: But it is a mistake to characterize matrilineal as meaning

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Speaker 1: like the women are completely in charge, because they were

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Speaker 1: not an Iroquois culture, nor many other cultures where longhouses existed.

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Speaker 1: Vikings lived in longhouses, and you might recognize there's a

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Speaker 1: society is not precisely anti masculine.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the Vikings, Yeah.

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Speaker 1: The woke vikings. So this is more of a problem though,

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Speaker 1: with the conceptions of the longhouse that are spread by

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Speaker 1: Bab's followers, because again he's using it as a shorthand

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Speaker 1: for the fact that this kind of like prehistoric darkness

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Speaker 1: of egalitarianism is going to destroy the only thing that,

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Speaker 1: in his view, can bring progress, which is small groups

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Speaker 1: of beautiful men enforcing their will through violence. Right, that's

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Speaker 1: what he talks about when he's talking about the Long House.

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Speaker 1: His followers tend to use the Long House as a

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Speaker 1: short end, more of a shorthand for the kind of

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Speaker 1: stuff Curtis Yarvin gets at with the cathedral, a catch

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Speaker 1: all term for progressive modernity, women who get to say

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Speaker 1: no to sex and have their own credit cards, trans

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Speaker 1: people on hormones, vegan meat, substitutes, and yes, the Barbie movie.

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Speaker 5: Now.

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Speaker 1: I open this episode with a post about that movie

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Speaker 1: by Lomez, an adherent of Baptism who wrote an interminable

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Speaker 1: article on the Long House for a website called First Things,

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Speaker 1: which describes itself as America's most influential journal of religion

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Speaker 1: and public life.

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Speaker 5: I love it is.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I bet it is, buddy, And you can tell

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Speaker 2: because they always let you know straightaway. Yeah that's true.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, they really got to hit that up for you.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to quote from that now. Even for those

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Speaker 1: of us who use it, the Longhouse evades easy summary

609
00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:25,200
Speaker 1: ambivalent to its core. The term is at once politically

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Speaker 1: earnest and the punchline to an elaborate in joke. Its

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Speaker 1: definition must remain elastic lest it lose its power to

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Speaker 1: lampoon the vast constellation of social forces it reviles. It

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Speaker 1: refers at once to our increasingly degraded mode of technocratic government,

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Speaker 1: but also to wokeness to the progressive, liberal, and secular

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Speaker 1: values that pervade all major institutions. The most important feature

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Speaker 1: of the long House, and why it makes such a

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Speaker 1: resonant and controversial symbol of our current circumstances, is the

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Speaker 1: ubiquitous rule of the den mother. More than anything, the

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Speaker 1: long House refers to the remarkable over correction of the

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Speaker 1: last two generations towards social norms centering femine in needs

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Speaker 1: and feminine methods for controlling, directing, and modeling behavior. As

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Speaker 1: of twenty twenty two, women held fifty two percent of

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Speaker 1: professional managerial roles in the US. Women earn more than

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Speaker 1: fifty seven percent of bachelor degrees, sixty one percent of

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Speaker 1: master's degrees, and fifty four percent of doctoral degrees, and

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Speaker 1: because they're overrepresented in professions such as human resource management,

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Speaker 1: and compliance officers that determined workplace behavioral norms. They have

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Speaker 1: an outsized influence and professional culture, which itself has an

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Speaker 1: outsized influence on American culture more generally so. The Wawright

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Speaker 1: taken over human resources, he sounds like he lost to

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Speaker 1: fight with his fosaurus when he's writing that, Like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: at every point, like he's just using unnecessarily long word. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's it's I mean, it's also just like women have

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Speaker 1: are dominating society because they they're getting more bachelor's degrees.

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Speaker 2: Yep, that's what it is.

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Speaker 1: Huh okay, uh huh.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a famous to useful Baptist which always leads

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Speaker 2: to employment.

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Speaker 1: And position to tremendous wealth.

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Speaker 5: Oh.

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Speaker 1: Also, and the idea that like human resources are in

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Speaker 1: some degree to somehow setting the terms culturally as opposed

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Speaker 1: to responding to the needs of corporations to mitigate risk, right,

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Speaker 1: Like r's that's what HR actually is. It's not setting

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Speaker 1: an agenda, it is avoiding lawsuits, it is minimizing exposure whatever.

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Speaker 5: Ye.

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Speaker 1: Lomez also goes on to quote Richard Hanania, an influential

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Speaker 1: conservative thought leader who is revealed recently to be a

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Speaker 1: neo Nazi or at least someone who regularly wrote neo

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Speaker 1: Nazi things in neo Nazi parts of the web and

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Speaker 1: wants to be seen as respectable. Now, well, we'll talk

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Speaker 1: about him later. Lomez approvingly notes that Hanania echoes a

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Speaker 1: bapist talking point when he discusses how female domination of

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Speaker 1: HR has given them control over public and private institutions.

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Speaker 1: Now again, the way Lomez is talking about this shit

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Speaker 1: is not actually in line with how Bronze age Pervert

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Speaker 1: conceives of the long House. And one of the funnier

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Speaker 1: results of everything that I've been talking about today is

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Speaker 1: that Bronze age Pervert now spends much of his time

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Speaker 1: on Twitter angrily tweeting at his followers that they're using

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Speaker 1: the longhouse wrong. I'm gonna read you a post. It

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Speaker 1: is from July twenty seventh, longhouse has gone crazy, out

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Speaker 1: of control. Usually misused. It's not a synonym for feminism

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Speaker 1: or matriarchy, nor for group consensus, though those are part

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Speaker 1: of the story. It's a concrete image from pre airy

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Speaker 1: in Europe of lower life and of most traditional societies.

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Speaker 1: Baby got away from you. Yeah, And some of his

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Speaker 1: ire is likely due to the fact that his followers,

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Speaker 1: who are largely very young, tend to apply what they

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Speaker 1: see as his analysis to children's movies. Here's a real

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Speaker 1: good one. Yeah, this is a it's a post for

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Speaker 1: a picture of like the female villain from the movie

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Speaker 1: Tangled by Activated Sleeper. If you want a good example

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Speaker 1: of the nebulous long house, look no further than mother

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Speaker 1: gothal Fane narcissism driven by resentment and envy of the young,

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Speaker 1: whose primary and most effective weapons are gaslighting, manipulation, and

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Speaker 1: the rhetoric of fanatical safety ism. It's good stuff.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, Activated Sleeper, for you Activated Sleeper exposing that

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Speaker 3: great cutting, cutting commentary on the twenty twelves Tangled.

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 1: One of my favorite recent examples of how many of

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Speaker 1: these guys use the long house was a post in

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Speaker 1: the off my Chest reddit which went viral on Twitter.

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Speaker 1: The post is by a woman who says that she

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Speaker 1: interrupted her husband while he was telling a story, and

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Speaker 1: he was like, hold up, Tony Minner, talking as like

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Speaker 1: a joke, and she got angry at this and they

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Speaker 1: had a fight. One popular bapist response to this story,

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Speaker 1: fifteen hundred likes in counting when I found it, stated

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Speaker 1: men attempt to take one comedic step out of the

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Speaker 1: long house, and the locks get ten times bigger.

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Speaker 2: Jesus Christ. It is.

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Speaker 1: It is very silly to like bring up actual history

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Speaker 1: with this, but one of the points you'll find and

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00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:18,200
Speaker 1: like writing about long houses traditionally is that because everyone

696
00:38:18,280 --> 00:38:20,360
Speaker 1: was cooped up in the winter comes spring, the women

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00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:23,319
Speaker 1: were generally like doing everything they good to get the

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Speaker 1: men to fucking leave and go hunter something. They get

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00:38:25,719 --> 00:38:28,200
Speaker 1: the fuck out of that, get out of here, like,

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Speaker 1: go do something else. We need something, need like a

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Speaker 1: fucking week or two without you hanging around. Go to yeah,

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Speaker 1: go to war, do something. Jesus Christ. Nobody likes being

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Speaker 1: cooped up in a fucking long house anyway. That's that's

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Speaker 1: the long house. That's uh, bronze age pervert. It is

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Speaker 1: kind of worth noting because these guys are convinced that,

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Speaker 1: like they are the intellectual vanguard of this movement that's

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Speaker 1: going to overturn what is classically described as lib rualism,

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Speaker 1: this idea that like people have like rights that are

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Speaker 1: worth protecting, and shit, that that's a failed idea. It's

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Speaker 1: obviously failed. Look at how ugly buildings are today, and

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Speaker 1: they'll post some picture of like the Chicago World's Fair.

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Speaker 1: These people are like weirdly adjacent to the the the

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Speaker 1: Tataria conspiracy theory that one hundred years ago the world

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Speaker 1: was ruled by this like vast advanced Russian empire that

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Speaker 1: made all the nice buildings, and then World War Two

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Speaker 1: was a secret excuse for the rulers of the world

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Speaker 1: to destroy all the good architecture, and that's why buildings

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Speaker 1: are ugly.

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Speaker 3: I definitely seen like this bad guy in those in

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Speaker 3: those like circles of people who are like like culture

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Speaker 3: critic or like Greek Greek enjoyer or whatever. Ye, like, yeah,

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Speaker 3: those pictures of like like old expensive architecture stuff and

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Speaker 3: mixed in with like like either like uh mostly mostly

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Speaker 3: like brutalist or like moderness architecture.

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Speaker 6: Be like what happened?

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Speaker 1: What which way? Well, for one thing, like the society

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Speaker 1: that people like you insisted upon this one in which

728
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Speaker 1: like value is maximized at all costs. So we we

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Speaker 1: took windows out of my school that was built in

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Speaker 1: that brutalist periods because.

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Speaker 3: It because like it's like because some like prince bankrupted

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Speaker 3: their country building this pretty building, and that's why we

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Speaker 3: don't do that anymore.

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Speaker 1: Like you thought, like, yeah, jacked dudes with guns should

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Speaker 1: run everything started a series of wars that bankrupted those

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Speaker 1: countries and they had to sell their nice buildings to

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Speaker 1: the Americans. Why we got the London Bridge, I assume.

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Speaker 3: But it's it's definitely all that all in like in

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Speaker 3: that in that same rough rough Twitter mill you. I mean,

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Speaker 3: it's certainly now that you've explained all of this at

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Speaker 3: longhou stuff, it certainly makes sense why they're kind of

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Speaker 3: fawning over the Barbie movie.

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Speaker 6: And I mean very.

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Speaker 3: Clearly Ken is going to become one of these like

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Speaker 3: a memeable characters because of what he does in the film.

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Speaker 3: It's he's he's going to join the pantheon of like

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Speaker 3: American Psycho and uh, all.

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Speaker 6: Of Ryan Gosling's other roles.

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Speaker 5: It is.

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Speaker 3: It is fascinating how right Goslin kind of has become

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Speaker 3: like the literal poster child for much of like the

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Speaker 3: dissident like anti feminist rite just because of the types

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Speaker 3: of roles that he's taken.

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Speaker 6: But yeah, I mean, it's it's.

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Speaker 1: Really questionary tale male actors.

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Speaker 3: It certainly makes sense in context of the Barbie Movie

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Speaker 3: in terms of how they kind of structured all of

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Speaker 3: the like social critique in that in that movie. But

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Speaker 3: but yeah, this is very silly. I mean, uh, it's

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Speaker 3: I'm excited I won't have to hear much more about

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Speaker 3: like the uh the stunning poetic prose of Bronze Age.

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Speaker 2: Perfect. Yeah, fucking the Atlantic every time. Never.

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Speaker 1: It's so like weird because there's there's this whole thing

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Speaker 1: that opens the article where he's talking about how like,

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Speaker 1: you know, the the first strains of this new anti democratic,

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Speaker 1: you know, anti liberal thinking in academia came out through

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Speaker 1: philosophy students who you know, realized that their professors just

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Speaker 1: took for granted, you know, the the truth about things

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Speaker 1: like the value of human rights and didn't weren't ready

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Speaker 1: for their arguments against them. And it was these like

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Speaker 1: these people who didn't want to be told not to

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Speaker 1: think in certain ways. No, man, they were assholes. They're

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Speaker 1: asshole rich kids who needed somebody to hit him in

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Speaker 1: the fucking face. They need they need a folding chair

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Speaker 1: deployed on them, Like yeah, yeah, you.

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Speaker 2: Got to see.

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Speaker 3: I demand to shutdown of all coastal universities until we

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Speaker 3: figure out what the fuck is going on.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm sorry if you were pretending that

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Speaker 1: you are, like somehow in the insurgent underground, uh as

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Speaker 1: the son of an M I T professor, going Tom

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Speaker 1: I T yourself like you fucking dilat that's all. That's

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Speaker 1: all this fucker is is a diletant, and that's all

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00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:05,319
Speaker 1: most of the people following are. It's a mix of

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00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:12,960
Speaker 1: dilettants and guys who are going to shoot up walmarts anyway, right, cool.

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Speaker 6: Give him a follow, Give a follow.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I'm checking out activated sleeper and I've learned

788
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Speaker 2: a lot already. So oh yeah, yeah, you're getting pilled

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Speaker 2: by him? Yeah yeah, yeah, pretty much. I you know,

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Speaker 2: as much as one can be hill by a fourteen

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Speaker 2: year old. But uh yeah, really interesting stuff here. I

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Speaker 2: think fair to say that this is an insight into

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Speaker 2: a world. Oh buddy, fuck me, all right, yeah wait,

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Speaker 2: we're not talking about that. We are not talking about

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Speaker 2: his bedroom wall by everyone.

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Speaker 1: Oh oh wait, now I got a lotch James, what

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Speaker 1: did you We can bleep it.

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Speaker 6: You have to at least tell us what you Oh wow,

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Speaker 6: his his pinned.

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Speaker 4: It's fucking I'm not sure it's get veteran playing. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: what's on the veteran. And what looks like is that

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Speaker 4: a German national about like a German? Is that Imperial Germany?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? I think this guy is a kaiser Reich.

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Speaker 6: Dude, this is certainly impressive.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure.

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Speaker 6: I'm sure he's getting all the ladies in there.

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Speaker 1: I gotta I gotta show you guys this pinned tweet

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Speaker 1: and then I'll read it. It's all caps. Let me

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Speaker 1: tell you how much I want a FED post. There

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Speaker 1: are a hundred billion neurons within my brain. If a

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Speaker 1: FED post was written on each and every one those neurons,

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Speaker 1: it would not equal one billionth of the compulstion I

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Speaker 1: feel feel the FED post at this micro instant fed post,

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Speaker 1: FED post that means posting about doing a terrorism So.

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Speaker 3: That this is the type of tweet that could either

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Speaker 3: come from the sun, like like mentally unwell leftist.

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Speaker 5: Yeah yeah yeah.

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Speaker 2: The flag he has, just to be clear, it's a

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Speaker 2: franco Is flag of Spain, which, okay, it's something that

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Speaker 2: good we will have to talk about, which is the

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Speaker 2: American right has been embracing franco As like based and

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Speaker 2: good uh for a while now, like as this kind

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Speaker 2: of returned to Catholic tradition and like it's just anti

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Speaker 2: woke crusader.

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Speaker 6: I do call it.

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Speaker 3: The suggestion follows here on Activit Sleepers Page, son Optimist.

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Speaker 1: Aleric, the Barbarian Impernter Philippus.

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Speaker 6: These people are such birds.

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Speaker 1: Here's he's reached a post from Bronze Age Jacob Eurowski.

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Speaker 1: Jews are like the one ring for politics.

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Speaker 3: I think I think, I think I think reached the

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Speaker 3: I think we reached peak peak.

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Speaker 6: I don't think.

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Speaker 2: Yes.

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Speaker 1: I hope you've all learned a lot from this. Have

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Speaker 1: a wonderful week, every wonderful week, and funk you for

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Speaker 1: making me write this to our listeners. It could happen

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Speaker 1: here as a production of cool Zone Media. For more

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Speaker 1: podcasts from cool Zone Media, visit our website Coolzonemedia dot com,

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Speaker 1: or check us out on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts,

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Speaker 1: or wherever you listen to podcasts.

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Speaker 3: You can find sources for It could Happen here, updated

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Speaker 3: monthly at Coolzonmedia dot com slash sources.

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Speaker 6: Thanks for listening.