Speaker 1: The Around the NFL podcast, Sean Peyton's official fan club
Speaker 1: from Sky Sports headquarters in London, England. It's Around the NFL.
Speaker 1: I am Dan Hansis, and I am in.
Speaker 2: A conference room filled with some heroes, Greg Rosehal Mark Sessler.
Speaker 1: There are.
Speaker 2: No more undefeated teams in the in the National Football
Speaker 2: League and Mark Sessler the reason both the undefeated teams
Speaker 2: no longer are undefeated is because of the Cleveland Browns
Speaker 2: and the New York Jets. What world do we live in?
Speaker 3: This season needed this? I really feel like it did.
Speaker 3: And it's not because I have roots as a Browns fan,
Speaker 3: and it's not because of your Jets fandom. It doesn't hurt,
Speaker 3: it doesn't hurt.
Speaker 2: I mean also the roots are also full grown tree
Speaker 2: that you're still all right living today.
Speaker 3: I sat under the shade of that beautiful tree and
Speaker 3: felt something in Pa Walker made me feel something we'll
Speaker 3: get we'll get into it. But this is the unlikely,
Speaker 3: unpredictable nature of this league. And it's like we're still
Speaker 3: learning about these teams. And I would say even more
Speaker 3: from the Jets angle, there is just this renewed sense
Speaker 3: of possibility.
Speaker 4: Wow.
Speaker 5: I think it's from every angle. I mean, let's let's
Speaker 5: say what it is. This is one of the most
Speaker 5: memorable days in the history of the Around the NFL podcast.
Speaker 5: It's almost one am. We're at Sky Sports Studios. Our
Speaker 5: day started over at the Hot Toddy more than twelve
Speaker 5: hours ago, well more than that, and your teams just
Speaker 5: took out the two best teams in the NFL who
Speaker 5: hadn't had a loss today, and we got professional footballers
Speaker 5: yelling on us from the stands inside jokes from this that.
Speaker 5: So it's all happened.
Speaker 2: We were walking and again and we're gonna get to
Speaker 2: the game, the Titans Ravens game that we were in attendance,
Speaker 2: and we did a lot of great stuff on the field,
Speaker 2: so many great interactions and fun interactions with listeners of
Speaker 2: this show. It's almost overwhelming, quite frankly and really cool.
Speaker 2: But one of those interactions and one of those shout
Speaker 2: outs when we were down at the field came from
Speaker 2: Rob Holding.
Speaker 3: Crystal Palace is Rob Holding, formerly of Arsenal, And you know,
Speaker 3: we we're plugged in onto the sports of some degree
Speaker 3: to not some degree because we Nick Pike from NFL
Speaker 3: UK when we were when we walked past him, Rob
Speaker 3: Holding shouted on, hey, heroes, and he's like, you know,
Speaker 3: he's like here we are at the Hot Toddy. It's like,
Speaker 3: it's awesome. Another great British listener and he's like, by
Speaker 3: the way, Nick said, that is a professional Premier League player.
Speaker 3: That is Rob Hold. He was like about seven hundred
Speaker 3: and fifteen thousand followers on Instagram. I just followed him.
Speaker 3: We'll see if he follows back. My son called, and
Speaker 3: my son called is a huge soccer fan. So I
Speaker 3: just immediately texted said like, do you know anything about
Speaker 3: this guy? And like, I mean he knows everyone, so
Speaker 3: he's mind is gonna be blown.
Speaker 1: Wow, this is that's who. That's who's now.
Speaker 2: And it's a day that, yes, that so many crazy
Speaker 2: things have happened, and the fact that it's one am here.
Speaker 2: We should be tired, but when those certain outcomes of
Speaker 2: today's games, uh and the way they do, we are
Speaker 2: filled with energy and life and we will not be alone.
Speaker 2: We're gonna do the first half of the show today
Speaker 2: and then for the first time ever, we are going
Speaker 2: to hand the show off for the back back half
Speaker 2: of games, including Sunday Night Football Bill's Giants to the
Speaker 2: great Nick shook and the great Patrick Claybond very capable
Speaker 2: hands to take us home.
Speaker 1: So we're gonna we're gonna go through what seven or
Speaker 1: eight games go? All right, So let's do that. And
Speaker 1: I think there's no reason to delay any further. Let's
Speaker 1: get into how these undefeated teams were knocked off. And yes,
Speaker 1: let's start at an electric metal lands where we go in.
Speaker 6: Motion goes a Kios shotguns set for tailor, hurts pinwell
Speaker 6: to is left, play clock at three takes this half,
Speaker 6: drops the throw on fourth and eight, well protected, looks left,
Speaker 6: heaves a bomb down.
Speaker 7: The middle of the field and as broke it up
Speaker 7: that side and a whitehead.
Speaker 8: The Jets are gonna win it.
Speaker 6: The Jet defense needed to come up big.
Speaker 9: One last time and turn up thing they did.
Speaker 10: What a day for the Jet defense.
Speaker 2: What a day indeed, Oh the leak set in London,
Speaker 2: Oh my goodness, what a day for Robert Sala's defense,
Speaker 2: which after giving up fourteen points in the first half,
Speaker 2: including the opening Philly drive, but that covered nine minutes
Speaker 2: of game time, and when nineteen plays on a very
Speaker 2: iffy touchdown overturned by the official officials, completely locked down
Speaker 2: the Eagles in the second half of this game and
Speaker 2: create huge plays. They've been creating turnovers this year, which
Speaker 2: they're de did not do last year, and boys missing
Speaker 2: their top three cornerbacks, including Sauce Gardner. They shut out
Speaker 2: the mighty Eagles in the second half and steal the
Speaker 2: game on an interception Breeze Hall touchdown run and then
Speaker 2: that fourth four and out stop to close the game.
Speaker 2: Twenty fourteen Jets three and three at the by Eagles
Speaker 2: fall to five and one.
Speaker 5: It is a season changing win because Dan and I
Speaker 5: we were having this conversation during the game as they
Speaker 5: were playing tough, and I'm comparing I'm like, you know,
Speaker 5: Zach Wilson is almost turning into like the new Drew
Speaker 5: lock Like he's developed into maybe a capable backup level,
Speaker 5: which is a step forward. And maybe they could survive.
Speaker 5: And if only they had the schedule that they had
Speaker 5: in twenty twenty two, I think this team actually could
Speaker 5: maybe win nine to ten games. But this schedule's been
Speaker 5: so brutal. But you know what, you just got through
Speaker 5: the worst part of the schedule and you finally stole
Speaker 5: a win for the second time against one of the
Speaker 5: best teams in the entire NFL, and you escape this
Speaker 5: early part of the season at three and three and
Speaker 5: you look at the rest of the back half and
Speaker 5: I don't suddenly think Zach Wilson's gonna change, But I
Speaker 5: don't think this defense is gonna change either. I think
Speaker 5: it's gonna be one of the best defenses in the league.
Speaker 5: And I just think they have something building in terms
Speaker 5: of who they are and that they're just gonna be around.
Speaker 5: At two and four, I don't know if I would
Speaker 5: have felt that, But at three and three, with a
Speaker 5: win over the Eagles and the Bills, I just think
Speaker 5: they're gonna be around. They're going to be part of
Speaker 5: this season. And you know, circling back to Week one
Speaker 5: and everything that happened there, I think that's all you
Speaker 5: can ask.
Speaker 3: They refuse to go away. I mean, if there was
Speaker 3: a time to collapse and disappear, it would have been
Speaker 3: five minutes into the season. They beat the Buffalo Bills,
Speaker 3: widely considered like a top two team in the AFC.
Speaker 3: You nearly beat the Chiefs and you should have that
Speaker 3: call at the end of that game changes everything there,
Speaker 3: and you think maybe the Jets are just absolutely snake bit.
Speaker 3: You've just beaten the Eagles. If you knew before the
Speaker 3: season you'd have those three wins, you said, of course,
Speaker 3: Aaron Rodgers is guiding this team. Instead, it's like it's
Speaker 3: Zach Wilson is sort of changing and evolving in little ways.
Speaker 3: He didn't make terrible mistakes day. He's still what he is.
Speaker 3: But this is a great coaching job by Robert Sola,
Speaker 3: and it's a great team development, team building.
Speaker 1: Here's here's the deal.
Speaker 2: Yes, Wilson has been better the last three weeks than
Speaker 2: he was previously, but Wilson did not make throws in
Speaker 2: many situations. He took a lot, he took sacks in
Speaker 2: this game. He didn't turn the ball over. But they
Speaker 2: really had no business winning this game because the defense
Speaker 2: continued to get stop after stop and give Zach Wilson
Speaker 2: to the offense the ball back and for the most part,
Speaker 2: they couldn't do anything. And that's why if you're an
Speaker 2: Eagles fan, we just watched last week one of the
Speaker 2: what I thought was the worst loss of the year,
Speaker 2: which was the Ravens blowing that game against the Steelers.
Speaker 1: I'm not going to say it's at that level, but
Speaker 1: it's not far off. For the Eagles.
Speaker 2: The Eagles are going to watch this film and be
Speaker 2: sick to their stomachs because they knew there is no way,
Speaker 2: after all the frustrations of the game, there is no
Speaker 2: way Zach Wilson is going to take the Jets down
Speaker 2: the field to win this game. All Jalen Hurts has
Speaker 2: to do is not make the wrong decision, but he does.
Speaker 2: He throws the interception. Who had the pick the interception
Speaker 2: was by get this right, They got Adams, He got
Speaker 2: the interception, took it all the way back to the
Speaker 2: Philly eight, and that gave the Jets the only chance
Speaker 2: they were going to get a touchdown there. And then
Speaker 2: there was a big decision to be made by Robert
Speaker 2: sala and the Jets. If the Eagles let you score,
Speaker 2: do you do you let it happen or do you
Speaker 2: kind of kneel down at the one?
Speaker 1: The Jets go in.
Speaker 2: And it was thought at the time that that was
Speaker 2: a bad decision because the Eagles got the ball back
Speaker 2: with one six and two timeouts on the clock.
Speaker 1: And yet and yet.
Speaker 2: The Jets defense stood tall one more time. So even
Speaker 2: though you could you've e quibble or even say Salam
Speaker 2: made a big mistake there. This defense that had stood
Speaker 2: up all throughout that half did it one more time
Speaker 2: and it really is, yes, a landscape changing win for
Speaker 2: the Jets.
Speaker 11: It.
Speaker 5: You know, the Eagles had a ton of injuries. We'll
Speaker 5: get to that too, because I think that was a
Speaker 5: big takeaway from this game and important for them moving forward.
Speaker 5: But ultimately there's more on defense and offense, and they
Speaker 5: had their best players out there other than Lane Johnson
Speaker 5: on offense, and so for the Jets defense to turn
Speaker 5: them away over and over again, and the quarterbacks that
Speaker 5: they faced are impressive. We got Robert Salah given us
Speaker 5: some good calls.
Speaker 1: Bob.
Speaker 12: You know, through these first six weeks, we've played a
Speaker 12: gold little quarterbacks and I know we haven't gotten all wins,
Speaker 12: but we've embarrassed all of them.
Speaker 2: It's not wrong, you know what I think, after what
Speaker 2: Sala has been through and this team and this fan
Speaker 2: base has been through, it's okay to pop out your
Speaker 2: chest here a little bit and I'll I'll take the
Speaker 2: l because recently is the first half last week against Denver,
Speaker 2: I'm thinking to myself, Man, this Robert Sala, I don't
Speaker 2: know if this is the right guy in place. This
Speaker 2: team seems like they're going down the tubes. And what
Speaker 2: I need to give him credit for and little Mia
Speaker 2: Kulpa is this defense which he leads he's a defensive
Speaker 2: coach has this ability. Although they never they don't typically
Speaker 2: start strong, they start to build up. They're like a
Speaker 2: steam train where it takes a while for them to
Speaker 2: warm up. But once they do, they start to just
Speaker 2: build off each possession and they make big plays. And
Speaker 2: one thing that defense that was rated very well last
Speaker 2: year didn't do is turn the ball over. They turned
Speaker 2: the ball over a ton this year, and which is
Speaker 2: huge because this offense and we could say he's a
Speaker 2: Drew Lock type figure at this point, Zach Wilson. They're
Speaker 2: not gonna score a lot of points. The defense is
Speaker 2: gonna have to give them short fields and it's gonna
Speaker 2: have to do game changing plays.
Speaker 1: And they did both of that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Jets, four point one yards per play, you know,
Speaker 3: two hundred and forty four total yards. You look at
Speaker 3: that before the game and think, well, the Jets did
Speaker 3: not get this thing done. It was a couple of
Speaker 3: years ago that we were at Hot Toddy watching the
Speaker 3: Robert Sola game where he's pumping his fists up and
Speaker 3: down the sideline, and it's like that was when it
Speaker 3: started to bubble up. That Robert Sala, the Niners defensive coordinator,
Speaker 3: was like this head coaching material. And with that Niners team,
Speaker 3: they had a lot of injuries on defense, it seemed
Speaker 3: all the time, and he would still coach up guys
Speaker 3: behind them to play just as well. And they were
Speaker 3: so resilient. And you were missing all sorts of quarterbacks
Speaker 3: tonight the New York Jets, and it's like you found
Speaker 3: a way to do it and turn the Eagles into complete,
Speaker 3: absolute normal humans, like they didn't look like they normally do.
Speaker 3: I mean, this was Jailen Hurts a melt This was
Speaker 3: a meltdown by Jalen Hurts. A thing we have not seen.
Speaker 2: That Hurts was actually pretty good for most of this game.
Speaker 2: He was let down by some big drops by his receivers.
Speaker 2: He kept plays alive throughout this game and was almost
Speaker 2: impossible for the Jets to bring down despite an active
Speaker 2: pass rush. But you know, he still turned the ball
Speaker 2: over three times, three interceptions and the last throw again
Speaker 2: that that is in the running for one of the
Speaker 2: worst throws, probably the worst throw of his career. When
Speaker 2: you factor in the throw the way he made the decision,
Speaker 2: which is a poor decision in the back threw off
Speaker 2: his back foot, knowing the situation that you didn't need
Speaker 2: to get you have to force that's that's a very
Speaker 2: very difficult loss for him.
Speaker 5: Well, and to go four and out on the ensuing possession,
Speaker 5: in which they had a plenty of time to try
Speaker 5: to go down the field in the first down included
Speaker 5: you know, his best receiver A J. Brown, who went
Speaker 5: for another one thirty one. He does it every week,
Speaker 5: yelling at him. So it was about as big of
Speaker 5: a meltdown as Jalen Hurts has had in a game
Speaker 5: since that playoff loss to the Bucks. I don't come
Speaker 5: out of this game overly concerned about the Eagles long term.
Speaker 5: Like they've had some wobbly games. It's a long season,
Speaker 5: but they do have a ton of injuries. Lane Johnson
Speaker 5: is one of the most important players on their team.
Speaker 5: We'll see if that's a long term Injury's raised negative,
Speaker 5: but we don't know how serious it is. Jalen Carter
Speaker 5: Darius Slay both didn't suit up for the game. Reid
Speaker 5: Blank and Ship got hurt during the game, so did
Speaker 5: Justin Brown, Sidney Brown, and Eli Rix. Those are all
Speaker 5: in the secondary. So when all of the injuries happened
Speaker 5: in one position, that that's a concern for the Eagles
Speaker 5: in the upcoming weeks.
Speaker 3: In your three and three, the Jets, you go to
Speaker 3: your bye week and they've been through a gauntlet. It's
Speaker 3: been a rough, rough slate, and I think even with
Speaker 3: Aaron Rodgers, you could have looked at this opening six
Speaker 3: games and say three and three, I might take that.
Speaker 3: And so after that you have the Giants, the Chargers,
Speaker 3: and the Raiders. The Jets suddenly are in a different place,
Speaker 3: in a different time right now, and it's like, I
Speaker 3: think Jets fans who have been through hell deep into haites,
Speaker 3: you're coming back up to terra firma and you can breathe.
Speaker 1: And this is very rarely happened.
Speaker 2: I've really thought this, but that the Jets fans have
Speaker 2: been awesome in that building. Now that it was a
Speaker 2: great vibe in Week one, great vibe in there. It's
Speaker 2: feeling a little bit like a home field advantage because
Speaker 2: the fans like this team and they are fun teams,
Speaker 2: are rooted for, and they have that underdog mentality with
Speaker 2: Rogers out very exciting times.
Speaker 1: I'm thrilled.
Speaker 5: Hey, maybe he won't be out for long. He's out
Speaker 5: there on the field without any crushes with all the
Speaker 5: cameras on. I mean, I know what you're doing. I
Speaker 5: know you're getting paid millions from McAfee.
Speaker 1: An.
Speaker 5: I mean I would take the millions too, if you
Speaker 5: could do that for millions of dollars.
Speaker 1: Mark, do you want to talk about the Browns?
Speaker 3: I would like to.
Speaker 1: Let's suck with the Browns.
Speaker 2: Oh on a Sunday show between the Hashers.
Speaker 7: Forty one yard baby for Jake Moody, which Shnowski kneels
Speaker 7: at the thirty one to give the Niners the lead.
Speaker 5: Snap is down, the kick is up, the kick.
Speaker 7: Is good, It's no good, and the Brows will beat
Speaker 7: for forty nine ers nineteen to seventeen.
Speaker 1: He pushed it wide to the right. Oh, we know
Speaker 1: that boys.
Speaker 2: Bring on the bongo, come, come.
Speaker 1: Come Cleveland defense. Schwartz, Schwartz, Schwartz.
Speaker 2: Oh, the rookie kicker of the forty nine ers. Jake
Speaker 2: Moody missed the forty one yard field goal six seconds
Speaker 2: to play, and the Cleveland brown another inspired defensive effort.
Speaker 2: Nineteen seventeen in the win, and that was of course
Speaker 2: Andrew Siciliano with the call our friend, friend of the show,
Speaker 2: colleague and NFL media Browns fan and filling in of
Speaker 2: course for the great Jim Donovan, Jim Donovan and doing
Speaker 2: a great job at it. And you can hear in
Speaker 2: Siciliano's voice because we know Andrew he's born and brah,
Speaker 2: he loves the Browns, and that excitement mark it was
Speaker 2: shared by Cleveland fans the world over, including the man
Speaker 2: with the roots.
Speaker 3: I mean, I've talked with Andrew so many mornings in
Speaker 3: our in our newsroom through these up and down Brown seasons,
Speaker 3: and I honestly to hear him, to hear his voice
Speaker 3: right there, like since he was a young boy, he's
Speaker 3: been rooting for this team, and he's professional about it
Speaker 3: obviously now, but like that's got to be a moment
Speaker 3: he'll never forget and it has to go down as
Speaker 3: one of the bigger Browns regular season wins the of
Speaker 3: this century.
Speaker 1: Who's the quarterback today?
Speaker 3: It's PJ. Walker. And you know what I said, like
Speaker 3: the one I think I told you guys, like early
Speaker 3: in the game, it was like PJ. Walker looks good
Speaker 3: in this Browns uniform. I just kind of like I
Speaker 3: can root for this guy, and like he's an imperfect creation.
Speaker 3: He threw a couple of picks in this game. He
Speaker 3: kept fighting though at.
Speaker 5: Mom missus Walker, actually PJ is a perfect creation.
Speaker 3: All right, Well, you know I don't need perfect, but
Speaker 3: I need someone I can root for. And there's also
Speaker 3: like the Jets at times they're playing around their offense
Speaker 3: because they're really affected by not having Nick Chubb. Yet
Speaker 3: they're running backs. Jerome Ford and company stepped up today.
Speaker 3: Kareem Hunt stepped up today. There was big plays by
Speaker 3: Amari Cooper. I love the fact that PJ Walker, who
Speaker 3: really had You know, these are a preseason with this team.
Speaker 3: There was no training camp. He comes it off the
Speaker 3: street and he ran the offense competently. They trusted him
Speaker 3: to make big throws and it just actually, like last year,
Speaker 3: Amari Cooper is stepping up in a big way. But
Speaker 3: this story of this game is the defense. And on
Speaker 3: Thursday we asked, I asked, like, can someone make Brock
Speaker 3: Purdy look uncomfortable?
Speaker 4: It?
Speaker 1: Can it be?
Speaker 3: This defense? Is Cleveland gonna do what it did? Know
Speaker 3: they were in a bad position against Baltimore with what
Speaker 3: was happening in quarterback that week. But they also gave
Speaker 3: up some big, gash plays on the ground. This a
Speaker 3: couple of big players through the air, and they didn't
Speaker 3: look like themselves today. I mean, from wire to wire,
Speaker 3: Jim Schwartz, who was marching up and down the sideline
Speaker 3: with a real smile on his face from the beginning,
Speaker 3: I think they just knew they could make life uncomfortable
Speaker 3: for brock Purty. They gave up two hundred and fifteen yards,
Speaker 3: which is the lowest in the Shanahan era, and down
Speaker 3: the stretch when Brock Purdy had a chance to change
Speaker 3: this game late and ok, you didn't have Deebo Samuel
Speaker 3: Christian McCaffrey went out of this game. You could factor
Speaker 3: all that in. But even before that happened, the Niners
Speaker 3: the way we've seen him, when they have so many
Speaker 3: weapons that you can't contain them, they were contained from
Speaker 3: top to bottom. And I have to say this Cleveland
Speaker 3: defense is a difference maker, right.
Speaker 5: I mean, if look if Jake Moody makes that kick.
Speaker 5: I'm talking about how Brak and Ayuk made a couple
Speaker 5: of big time plays right on that drive, made the
Speaker 5: Browns miss, but the only reason he got the chance
Speaker 5: is because the forty nine Ers defense kept getting the
Speaker 5: ball back. The forty nine Ers had seven drives in
Speaker 5: the second half. It is extremely rare to get a
Speaker 5: seventh chance, a seventh bite at the apple like Perty
Speaker 5: did on those six drives. Before that happened, the forty
Speaker 5: nine Ers offense had a total of twenty one yards.
Speaker 5: I mean that is outrageous. And this game, to me,
Speaker 5: was different than the Jets game because the Jets game,
Speaker 5: as Dan said, like the Eagles Shannada lost that game. Ultimately, Look,
Speaker 5: the Browns out gained the forty nine Ers by one
Speaker 5: hundred and twenty yards. Like their defense was the most
Speaker 5: dominant part of this game. It really wasn't about the
Speaker 5: Browns offense, but they were able to run the ball
Speaker 5: in ways that they haven't since Nick Chubb was gone.
Speaker 5: Like they legitimately looked like the better team against the
Speaker 5: forty nine Ers. And you said, you know, the Jets
Speaker 5: might be a bigger story moving forward in terms of
Speaker 5: lasting topic. I don't know. I look at this Browns
Speaker 5: team and I think, wow, like this team if Watson
Speaker 5: can come back healthy, Like, is it very dangerous? Team
Speaker 5: with that.
Speaker 2: Defense, Yeah, even without Nick Chubb, because you look at
Speaker 2: this division and it's like, if you're the Browns with
Speaker 2: that defense, who scares you?
Speaker 5: I mean even you can get day For the AFC North,
Speaker 5: they got to say they all looked a little scarier
Speaker 5: now than they did twenty four hours ago.
Speaker 2: But like the Bengals, they don't know how to beat
Speaker 2: this Browns team. They so they're in their heads by
Speaker 2: this point, and this defense is currently constituted, is gonna
Speaker 2: eat up all the other teams in that division, including
Speaker 2: in my mind, the Ravens. I think they're I think
Speaker 2: they're just really well set up to be a team
Speaker 2: that is relevant and potentially a playoff team. I picked
Speaker 2: them as a playoff team obviously. I when you lose
Speaker 2: Nick Chubb, you think, oh that that's a death now.
Speaker 2: But what you're saying is right, Mark, like, this is
Speaker 2: a difference making defense and you're going to see it.
Speaker 1: Continue to give them wins.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they have losses against Pittsburgh, which was that was
Speaker 3: a frustrating Monday night loss. You know, the Baltimore game,
Speaker 3: there was a lot happening on Cleveland's offensive side that
Speaker 3: put them in a disadvantage, but they got gashed by Baltimore.
Speaker 3: I don't know. I feel like there's no way I
Speaker 3: thought that this San Francisco matchup would reveal Cleveland to
Speaker 3: be somewhat of a fraud. That was just my feeling.
Speaker 3: And it's like I have to give Kevin Stefanski. I
Speaker 3: think it's sort of been under a lot of fire,
Speaker 3: and of course Jim Schwartz, the whole coaching staff. You know,
Speaker 3: Stefanski said basically this week that he felt that Jim
Speaker 3: Schwartz in the defense all week long, like you could
Speaker 3: tell something was going on. He said on Wednesday, if
Speaker 3: you measure a practice on Wednesday's practice by how it sounds,
Speaker 3: we had our best practice of the season. I'm like,
Speaker 3: in these in this modern times, where you're not even hitting,
Speaker 3: I don't know what that translates to, but it's like
Speaker 3: there is an attitude and a belief in Cleveland's defense
Speaker 3: that they can go and do anything, and you see
Speaker 3: it week after week.
Speaker 5: Well, they've given up the fewest yards through five games
Speaker 5: of any team I think ever, which is which is
Speaker 5: a pretty crazy stat And the schedule eases up. The
Speaker 5: Deshaun Watson news coming into the week was he might
Speaker 5: miss multiple more weeks. It's still a very strange situation
Speaker 5: that bears at.
Speaker 3: Getting like we're not we have done the right story
Speaker 3: on the shouldern.
Speaker 5: Well, it's very rare to hear a guy is medically
Speaker 5: cleared from the coach and then he's out for two
Speaker 5: and a half straight week.
Speaker 2: One of one of the parrots that work for Watson,
Speaker 2: essentially in the media, will leak his side of the
Speaker 2: story sooner.
Speaker 5: We've pretty much been getting that, but like you know,
Speaker 5: he's feeling I don't. I don't necessarily doubt that. I
Speaker 5: just feel like there's there's more going down. Injuries were
Speaker 5: a massive part of this story though. For the forty
Speaker 5: nine Ers, the best team in the league coming into today,
Speaker 5: to lose Christian McCaffrey to a hip and an oblique
Speaker 5: obliques are a tricky injury, and then Deebo Samuel and
Speaker 5: not to survive the game, that is a potentially not
Speaker 5: season changing, but it could be something where it makes
Speaker 5: them struggle a little bit through this middle staff.
Speaker 2: Shanahan he wasn't sure. He was unsure about the extent
Speaker 2: of both and said, we don't know yet. Uh so, yeah,
Speaker 2: it is you know, that Deebo is now going through
Speaker 2: another of what looks to be an injury plague season.
Speaker 2: McCaffrey has really stayed healthy the most part since coming
Speaker 2: to San Francisco. So now we're gonna start getting tested
Speaker 2: here as all teams do. And now it's forty nine ers.
Speaker 3: There was another one too, because Trent Williams on a
Speaker 3: play that looked he got rolled up on and it
Speaker 3: looked really ugly and he came back into the game
Speaker 3: and finished it, but left the stadium in a walking
Speaker 3: boot on his right foot. So I mean that's another
Speaker 3: Jenga piece right there.
Speaker 5: Should have never gotten rid of Robbie Gould. You called it, Danny.
Speaker 2: Hey, he got to when you have a kicker you
Speaker 2: can count on and depend on, you keep in the building.
Speaker 2: And I know you could, if you're a Niners fan,
Speaker 2: you could quibble with the with the decision there to
Speaker 2: get very conservative and settle for the forty one yard
Speaker 2: field goal rather than try to get closer. They didn't
Speaker 2: want to risk getting knocked back on some running plays
Speaker 2: that had no chance. And you could say, okay, that
Speaker 2: was Shanahan being a little cute, but you know what,
Speaker 2: your kicker's got to hit a forty one I know,
Speaker 2: but that's like how and I that Greg, that's not
Speaker 2: a forty six yard and that's not a forty eight
Speaker 2: yard like forty one in our lead.
Speaker 1: Yeah, in twenty twenty three should be money in the bank.
Speaker 1: Number one.
Speaker 5: He hasn't looked great since he was drafted. So that's
Speaker 5: on Shanahan a little bit. You gotta know your kicker
Speaker 5: number two, Like I always just feel like coaches hide
Speaker 5: behind that, Like, okay, then it's the kicker's fault. You
Speaker 5: have forty five seconds. You got to time out over
Speaker 5: it like you've got a great offensive team, like, oh,
Speaker 5: we don't want to get backed up running ball? Yeah,
Speaker 5: you could also score a touchdown. You could also get
Speaker 5: down to the ten yard line, like why why do
Speaker 5: you stop trying with forty five seconds up? I hate
Speaker 5: it when Already Shottenheimer did it as the Jets go,
Speaker 5: I heard charge. I hate it when Herm Edwards did it.
Speaker 5: It's no better now.
Speaker 3: When Kyle Shanahan looks for all the praise he gets
Speaker 3: and deserves it like there is he's a little more
Speaker 3: conservative than other coaches.
Speaker 5: Just why not just keep playing football? Keep playing for.
Speaker 2: One, don't what did you just say Cleveland has potentially,
Speaker 2: by yardage, the best defense ever threw six weeks.
Speaker 3: You you also mentioned how they have done all day.
Speaker 1: Maybe he was a little smooth, but you know.
Speaker 5: What, Jordan Mason was five for twenty seven. It wasn't
Speaker 5: like he was getting stoned. Come on, make the kick, yeah,
Speaker 5: and that's.
Speaker 2: It right And if and if he makes the kick
Speaker 2: as he should as what a second or third round pick,
Speaker 2: then it's a very frustrating day for Cleveland, which outplayed
Speaker 2: this goliath. Uh and yet he misses the kick, and
Speaker 2: you know what, good because Cleveland was the better team
Speaker 2: in this game. Let us move on to Tampa where
Speaker 2: the Lions were looking to say, hey, San Francisco were
Speaker 2: coming up in your rear view.
Speaker 4: Golf out of the gun, there's the shotgun.
Speaker 8: Snap golf back looking looking throwing deep down field.
Speaker 4: Watch Jamison inside the tent, Jamison Jack's the catch shuts
Speaker 4: down to troit lyons s.
Speaker 8: That's what I'm talking about talking about up Dimes had
Speaker 8: to rearrange, turn around, grabbed the football and that's exactly
Speaker 8: what he did with Royan Neil Drake doll over him.
Speaker 1: And that's why nine oh my god's.
Speaker 3: What's your capewn man changing the game?
Speaker 1: Remember last year when.
Speaker 2: Paul Allen Vikings Radio was getting all those great calls
Speaker 2: and it was going viral a little bit, and everybody
Speaker 2: loved Paul all and we had him on the show,
Speaker 2: and that it's Dan Miller's here. Dan Miller is gonna
Speaker 2: continue to make these really fun calls, and I think
Speaker 2: we're gonna have to have him on the show.
Speaker 1: Lions Radio.
Speaker 2: Jared Goff through two touchdown passes and the Detroit Lions
Speaker 2: take care of business mostly on the back of their
Speaker 2: defense in the twenty to six win over Baker Mayfield
Speaker 2: and the Bucks on the road. The Lions are now
Speaker 2: five and one greg, including three and zero on the road.
Speaker 2: And these are the type of wins like I like
Speaker 2: to see when I'm trying to discern who were like
Speaker 2: the big boys in the league, kind of going on
Speaker 2: the road and not even playing your best game. But
Speaker 2: one side of the ball says, all right, we're gonna
Speaker 2: take care of business. And today in this game, it
Speaker 2: was Detroit's defense.
Speaker 5: Right. I'm a little sick of saying like, oh, are
Speaker 5: they the third team? Are they the fourth? They're one
Speaker 5: of the best teams in the NFL. They have been.
Speaker 5: I didn't need to see this game to see it.
Speaker 5: They were third in DVA going into this week. They
Speaker 5: are five and one. They have won their last four
Speaker 5: games by a combined sixty points. All four of those
Speaker 5: wins have been by at least two touchdowns. They beat
Speaker 5: the defending champions on Opening Night. They've just beat a
Speaker 5: three to one Bucks team on the road. They're in
Speaker 5: the top five in DVOA going into this week, not
Speaker 5: even with this game. In offense and defense, they're a
Speaker 5: complete team with a great coaching staff. They have good
Speaker 5: line play, They've got it all, and they play like
Speaker 5: their hairs on fire and they don't make excuses. They've
Speaker 5: been as injured as any team in the league. So
Speaker 5: it's just six weeks. And if you're telling me, like,
Speaker 5: do I think they're the NFC favorite, No, because of
Speaker 5: how good the forty nine Ers and Eagles rosters are
Speaker 5: so No, But like it doesn't matter. The point is,
Speaker 5: like it doesn't matter what I think, and they are
Speaker 5: one of the best teams in the NFL. They're on
Speaker 5: a relatively short list of realistic teams that can win
Speaker 5: the Super Bowl this year. Maybe that's a seventeam list,
Speaker 5: but they are absolutely on it, and they are playing
Speaker 5: right now as well as that, I.
Speaker 2: Think, well, Greg, like I didn't need to see this
Speaker 2: game go their way to feel like I believe in
Speaker 2: the Lions. But I'm saying we're now getting to the
Speaker 2: point where six games is a pretty good sample size.
Speaker 5: And you can go sixteen. They're thirteen and three in
Speaker 5: their last six games, so.
Speaker 2: Like now we have a six game sample size of
Speaker 2: many of these teams, and the Lions mark have really
Speaker 2: now showed themselves to be well coached, a team with chemistry,
Speaker 2: a team that blocks very well, that has a quarterback
Speaker 2: that can shred when given time, and a defense that
Speaker 2: has from where they were a year ago this time
Speaker 2: to where they are now. That is the big difference here,
Speaker 2: that they now can win games with the defense, when
Speaker 2: at this time last year they were losing games.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the defense was a total liability a year ago.
Speaker 3: And if you go into Lions games in general and say,
Speaker 3: after they've been so dominant on the ground, you have
Speaker 3: a game where they in for forty yards, you lose.
Speaker 3: David Montgomery Gibbs is not there like they're they're they
Speaker 3: could be exposed, they find out the ways to win.
Speaker 3: Aman Ross Saint Brown goes off Williams finally, and he's
Speaker 3: sort of like, if you're gonna do anything, he's gonna
Speaker 3: have a big play. That's sort of what he does.
Speaker 5: Five career catches. Two of those catches are forty yard touchdowns.
Speaker 3: And as you said, if that can if that continues
Speaker 3: on Sky Sports, you said, he's just simply gonna be
Speaker 3: shoved into canton. I mean, that's it's obviously, you know,
Speaker 3: tongue in cheek, but they what they can do with it,
Speaker 3: what they can do. It was Greg was delighted, Boom boom.
Speaker 3: He was delightful. But uh, I like, I think a
Speaker 3: team they kind of fall into this category for me
Speaker 3: of teams that just like the personality kind of drives
Speaker 3: them too. And I'm not comparing them to this team,
Speaker 3: but like the eighty five Bears were like personality heavy
Speaker 3: and like didn't give an f about what anyone else thought,
Speaker 3: Like some of those, like the two thousand Ravens feel
Speaker 3: like that way to me. I could think of this
Speaker 3: the early Pete Carroll legion of boom teams, where it's
Speaker 3: like it's us against the world. And it's like Dan
Speaker 3: Campbell's kind of imbued with him and sometimes those you
Speaker 3: can try to do that and we can all see
Speaker 3: that it's not true, it's phony, it's not real. It
Speaker 3: is completely real with them. And in this game, it's
Speaker 3: another example where they were kind of going I wouldn't
Speaker 3: say neck and neck, but the Buccaneers were hanging around
Speaker 3: and the Lions game. It wasn't a great game, but
Speaker 3: they were working to but then they just they gained
Speaker 3: power as the game goes on. And I know last
Speaker 3: year I was slow to the draw with the Lions.
Speaker 3: The way that they play right now is like the
Speaker 3: kind of way I'd want to draw up a football team,
Speaker 3: and how they do his people down the stretch.
Speaker 2: And this is why, you know, Hard Knocks has always
Speaker 2: been one of my favorite programs because you start to
Speaker 2: learn about the personality of the team from watching him.
Speaker 2: And that goes way back to last summer now, and
Speaker 2: I can tell you from watching that show and following
Speaker 2: this team closely now for a year and almost a
Speaker 2: year and a half since that that block that Craig
Speaker 2: Reynolds used on Carlton Davis sending him into the next hemisphere,
Speaker 2: that sprung him on Saint Brown on that big touchdown
Speaker 2: that kind of put the lines in the driver's seat.
Speaker 1: That's what Dan.
Speaker 2: Kempbell is going to be losing his mind over, he says,
Speaker 2: is biting people didn't know that men, and it was
Speaker 2: easy to kind of, oh, this guy's a little he's
Speaker 2: like a caveman. He's not up, he's not suited for
Speaker 2: this job. But that's what he was referring to. This
Speaker 2: team that will do anything for each other, even though
Speaker 2: if you don't show up in the stat box, you're
Speaker 2: gonna take out the other team and punish. And that's
Speaker 2: exactly what they did. That play is so emblematic of
Speaker 2: Detroit Lions football.
Speaker 5: Now it could be a big moment in Jamison Williams season.
Speaker 5: They kind of need that. You mentioned how they didn't
Speaker 5: have the running game today, so they really put it
Speaker 5: on Jared Goff's shoulders, and he was just on the money.
Speaker 5: This is the best season of his career to this point,
Speaker 5: similar to his first half of the season in what
Speaker 5: was that twenty eighteen when he was on fire for
Speaker 5: the Rams, but more controlled because they were having these
Speaker 5: long drives where he was just completely on points. So
Speaker 5: even though they only put up twenty points, like the
Speaker 5: offense dominated the ball because they just didn't give it
Speaker 5: up in the second half. They've been so resilient though
Speaker 5: they'll have their at some point, they'll hit a dip
Speaker 5: in the season. But the way they've withstood injuries and
Speaker 5: a lot of the players are coming back, some of
Speaker 5: them aren't, and they had more go out even today.
Speaker 5: The way they've been missing six to seven starters all
Speaker 5: year and they're this good, that tells me, like I
Speaker 5: expect them to be there at the end.
Speaker 2: And on the on the buck side of things. And
Speaker 2: first of all, I know some people like them or whatever.
Speaker 2: I think you like them, Mark, but like who the
Speaker 2: Tampa Bay Buccaneers need to lose the creamsicle uniforms because
Speaker 2: it is a loser's mentality. When you put that uniform
Speaker 2: on with that color and the old buccaneer guy on
Speaker 2: the side, all I think of is the pre Tony
Speaker 2: Dungee like nineteen eighty one to nineteen ninety six Bucks
Speaker 2: that were impossible to watch. I think it goes into
Speaker 2: their bloodstream and they become unwatchable.
Speaker 1: So lose them.
Speaker 3: Hold on, go back to the flag, all right, What
Speaker 3: well all i'd say, I mean just from a set
Speaker 3: like and we were in the sky studio, like Hannah
Speaker 3: Wilkes agreed with you. I think one thing is like
Speaker 3: on television.
Speaker 1: Hannah Wilkes agree with me that it's a win.
Speaker 3: Okay, But they have there, Hannah Wilt in a big spot.
Speaker 3: They create terrible match uniform combinations with other teams. That's
Speaker 3: what I don't like about it. In their heart it's
Speaker 3: hard to read, like their names on the back. But
Speaker 3: I don't think players that were born in like nineteen
Speaker 3: ninety two or nineteen ninety five, like give the old
Speaker 3: uniforms and then they'll.
Speaker 5: Set to drop them, so you gotta drop them.
Speaker 3: My other point is I will I will relinquish this argument.
Speaker 1: It doesn't the Bucks to get rid of my other
Speaker 1: Bucks point.
Speaker 2: And if you guys have another one thrown in, then
Speaker 2: we're gonna take a break and continue on.
Speaker 1: But I said it on Thursday.
Speaker 3: I have dense messaging about their defensive line after your year.
Speaker 5: Yes, Devin Tompkins's first rushing attempt for five yards, you
Speaker 5: gotta get more.
Speaker 2: Baker Mayfield has had a nice start to the season.
Speaker 2: I saw this these three games is a big like
Speaker 2: is it is it real or not? Detroit, Atlanta, Buffalo
Speaker 2: the next three today, in the next three weeks. He
Speaker 2: was not effective in this game. He kind of looked
Speaker 2: like old Baker. We'll see what he does against the
Speaker 2: Falcons next week. But this against the big time defense,
Speaker 2: I thought he looked flat and was missing throws.
Speaker 1: As well.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean he at the end of the game
Speaker 3: is his non throwing arms. It was hanging off his
Speaker 3: his body and like he took a shot either to
Speaker 3: the head or the shoulder. We'll find out what but
Speaker 3: we made. There's a chance Baker Mayfield is out of
Speaker 3: our lives for a little bit.
Speaker 1: We'll see. Bucco Bruce is the name a winking pirate
Speaker 1: with a dagger clenched between his feet.
Speaker 5: First of all, like, send him into the Tampa Bay
Speaker 5: he's gone to.
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh you lose him. You got He's a loser.
Speaker 3: There were no pirates named Bruce, so there's a disconnect
Speaker 3: to begin with.
Speaker 1: Bruce is a loser.
Speaker 5: Put him in one of those cannons.
Speaker 1: Get him out.
Speaker 3: I don't think the name Bruce even existed when during
Speaker 3: pirate times. I know there's still pirates out on the
Speaker 3: season part of our world. I get that it's not
Speaker 3: over again. I saw the Tom Hanks film.
Speaker 1: What was it? I am the Captain?
Speaker 3: Now?
Speaker 1: Was that? What it was?
Speaker 6: Now?
Speaker 1: I'm the captain and you're a centophile? What was it?
Speaker 1: I'm the captain now?
Speaker 2: All right, let's take a break and then we'll talk
Speaker 2: London and more. I'm the captain now, all right? We
Speaker 2: are back and now, yes, we are here in London.
Speaker 2: It's been another great week for around the NFL Beautiful
Speaker 2: Live show on Thursday. Everybody here has been so nice
Speaker 2: to us.
Speaker 1: But the reason we were here was to cover and
Speaker 1: watch and enjoy a football game to the hot toddy
Speaker 1: Tottenham Hotspurs Stadium.
Speaker 2: Ravens Titans on second and seven from the Tennessee ten
Speaker 2: Lamar off the play thing, drifting to his left under pressure,
Speaker 2: extending the play throws complete.
Speaker 3: Say Flowers touchdown Ravens.
Speaker 13: Lamar extended and Zay Flowers delivered first.
Speaker 3: NFL touchdown for Zay Flowers.
Speaker 4: Congratulations, young man.
Speaker 1: Calm down, Rod Woodson Jerry Sandusky.
Speaker 2: With a call, speaking of first, that was the first
Speaker 2: time the Jets ever beat the Eagles, like ever, that's
Speaker 2: pretty wild.
Speaker 1: Like ever ever?
Speaker 4: Ever?
Speaker 2: All right back to give the hot Toddy Yes Lamar
Speaker 2: Jackson and the Ravens offense could not get at a
Speaker 2: second gear for most.
Speaker 1: Of this game, at least in the red zone.
Speaker 2: But the one time they did it was Jackson to
Speaker 2: Za Flowers his first touchdown in the NFL, first of many.
Speaker 1: He's a good player.
Speaker 2: And the Ravens also leaned on the leg of the
Speaker 2: great Justin Tucker who came to the land of soccer
Speaker 2: and went six of six, almost all of them chippies,
Speaker 2: and the Ravens take care of the Titans twenty four
Speaker 2: to sixteen. So the Ravens after the horrific loss against Pittsburgh,
Speaker 2: they get to four and two and the Titans are
Speaker 2: searching for it at two and for mark this game
Speaker 2: on the tip. Let's start with the Ravens side of it,
Speaker 2: and then we could do a little bit of talk
Speaker 2: about what it was like at.
Speaker 4: The game.
Speaker 1: Dominated the most part by the Ravens.
Speaker 2: Let's see what the I'm sure the total yardage was
Speaker 2: absurd three hundred and sixty total yards of the Ravens,
Speaker 2: which is mah two thirty three for the Titans. And
Speaker 2: they put a little bit of lipstick on the pig
Speaker 2: late and other than a third period swinging momentum for
Speaker 2: Tennessee where they scored ten points. This was the Ravens
Speaker 2: game all the way, and they took care of business
Speaker 2: in the end.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, the first four drives were field goal,
Speaker 3: field goal, field goal, touchdown. They handled their business. I
Speaker 3: think Lamar Jackson continues to have a really interesting season.
Speaker 3: And I think it's, you know, like it goes kind
Speaker 3: of unnoticed or untalked about a little bit that he's
Speaker 3: in year one of a new offense, and when Matthew
Speaker 3: Stafford came to the Rams, it was around like week
Speaker 3: ten or eleven or twelve when they worked their way
Speaker 3: through some problems and he started to heat up and
Speaker 3: be the best he could be. And it's I think
Speaker 3: Lamar Jackson's handled this challenge really well. I'm not sure
Speaker 3: that's been true of the inconsistencies in the drops and
Speaker 3: the other stuff around what I do. I think it's
Speaker 3: hopeful that that catacholysmic Steelers loss, which included so many
Speaker 3: gaffs and drops and like, just come on, guys, you
Speaker 3: could have won that game. You should have won it,
Speaker 3: as Greg said, like thirty something to something and the
Speaker 3: drops dried up today. Zay Flowers played a good game
Speaker 3: that said, I come out of it. I mean, you
Speaker 3: played in an EPT offense. We'll get to that. The
Speaker 3: Titans sort of just handed. The Titans could do nothing.
Speaker 3: They were an I sort of the point where I'm like,
Speaker 3: I think they need to be giving more to this,
Speaker 3: this London crowd. So they really really like made it
Speaker 3: easy for Baltimore to kind of chip away, chip away.
Speaker 3: Six field goals for Justin Tucker, a career high. You know,
Speaker 3: I guess I come out of it same four and
Speaker 3: two Ravens, good job. I have questions. I don't I
Speaker 3: don't I know Greg how you feel about the Ravens.
Speaker 3: I can't shove them into that group of Super Bowl
Speaker 3: contenders right now because I simply don't feel like I
Speaker 3: can trust them right now.
Speaker 5: I would put them there, certainly, not if they're playing
Speaker 5: like this, but I just think they are though. I know,
Speaker 5: but how you play in the middle of October is,
Speaker 5: to me is not really a great what we've.
Speaker 1: Seen through six games, you're projecting.
Speaker 5: That, right, and based on that, I think they will
Speaker 5: right so far. But based on that, I think they
Speaker 5: have a lot of baseline attributes that can win the
Speaker 5: Super Bowl. Number one, Their defense has been fantastic. I mean,
Speaker 5: you just have to win the game one certain way
Speaker 5: one week, and you can win it a different way
Speaker 5: the next week. This week it was destroying the Tennessee Titans.
Speaker 5: Anytime they dropped back to pass, they went. They dropped
Speaker 5: back to pass twenty seven times. They ended up with
Speaker 5: one hundred and four yards and and that was mostly
Speaker 5: Tajy Spears breaking a little, you know, swing pass from
Speaker 5: Malik Willis lay in the game for forty eight yards.
Speaker 5: Otherwise they're getting two to three yards for drop back,
Speaker 5: and their defense has had dominant stretches. Guys are getting
Speaker 5: open on offense. The red zone offense was a disaster today,
Speaker 5: and it was bad last week, but it was the
Speaker 5: best in the league for the first four weeks. Like
Speaker 5: Lamar looks comfortable in this offense. I'm not thrilled with
Speaker 5: how they're playing. But they've all also been literally the
Speaker 5: most injured team in the league in terms of using
Speaker 5: the most starters, and it happened again today. Marcus Williams
Speaker 5: left in this game. Kyle Hamilton got kicked out of
Speaker 5: the game with a vicious hit that we saw right
Speaker 5: in front of us, and so they're always dealing with
Speaker 5: something and there is a sloppiness to them that has
Speaker 5: to go away. If that doesn't, they're going to be bad.
Speaker 5: But today they played an inferior team. They look like
Speaker 5: the better team. They've looked like the better team for
Speaker 5: six straight weeks and they lost two of them. But like,
Speaker 5: if you can look like the better team for six
Speaker 5: straight weeks, I feel like you got something there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's definitely potential here. Absolutely. My questions are about
Speaker 2: the offense. My questions are after all the talk and
Speaker 2: we weren't really to our podcast credit, like totally on
Speaker 2: board with this idea that their wide receivers.
Speaker 1: It was a fixed situation because.
Speaker 5: You were on top of this.
Speaker 1: Flowers.
Speaker 5: I was hopeful.
Speaker 2: Flowers has actually been better than I expected because they
Speaker 2: haven't had a great track record with hitting on wide
Speaker 2: receivers and they have.
Speaker 1: I think Flowers is a big future.
Speaker 2: Mark Andrews is a very steady tight end who's been
Speaker 2: a little bit quiet this year. But steady Agalar is
Speaker 2: an issue.
Speaker 5: Their second best wide receiver, he's having an issue.
Speaker 2: Odell Beckham Junior has been not productive and has not
Speaker 2: been an asset for this team. Ra Shat Bateman is
Speaker 2: just never going to hit that level that I think
Speaker 2: they need him to. And then there's the one other
Speaker 2: part that and we're gonna I don't want to get
Speaker 2: too down on the Ravens, but the only reason I'm
Speaker 2: saying this, Greg is because you're pretty strong. You said
Speaker 2: it on Sky today, you said it at the field,
Speaker 2: uh that you see them as a Super Bowl contender.
Speaker 2: I don't know if Lamar is the same guy anymore
Speaker 2: in terms of his ability to be a special playmaker.
Speaker 2: You see him kind of getting taken down on plays
Speaker 2: that maybe old Lamar a few years back is busting
Speaker 2: for touchdowns.
Speaker 3: And when we're looking at his when he got his
Speaker 3: you know, taken down by essentially his ankle a couple years.
Speaker 1: Ago for that big play in the red zone on
Speaker 1: that big third down or when they're near the goal line.
Speaker 1: I'm not seeing that as much from him. Again, small
Speaker 1: sample size, but it's just something to keep an eye on.
Speaker 1: Is Lamar gonna be the explosive guy that turns defenses
Speaker 1: on their heads.
Speaker 5: I think that's right, But I also think that means
Speaker 5: he's gone as a running threat from the greatest running
Speaker 5: quarterback I believe of all time, to one of the
Speaker 5: five or six best running quarterbacks in the league. That
Speaker 5: adds a lot to their running game still, But I
Speaker 5: think that's a good point that not a lot of
Speaker 5: people have thrown out there, and I think there's something
Speaker 5: to it.
Speaker 3: One And like I we're talking about like him functioning
Speaker 3: well in a new offense, like watching O'Dell, and I
Speaker 3: think Odell is just sort of He's not been that
Speaker 3: guy for a while now, but I think today there
Speaker 3: were a number of occurrences where he just seemed to
Speaker 3: be in his own world a little bit.
Speaker 5: With the interception. Seemed like a bad throat, but also
Speaker 5: seemed like it was as like a confusion where they're not.
Speaker 3: Like, is he not like is Odell in another's again
Speaker 3: in a new offense? Like is he You've had enough time?
Speaker 3: It's not. It's just a veteran player. But he just
Speaker 3: seemed out of sync with Lamar.
Speaker 2: Let's go to the Tennessee side of things here and Tannehill.
Speaker 2: We actually were at the We're at the stadium. We're
Speaker 2: going back and forth and doing the sky hit. We
Speaker 2: did a in stadium on the jumbo tron hit with
Speaker 2: our colleague and friend mj Acosta, who by the way,
Speaker 2: helped us out with a Q and A on our
Speaker 2: live show on Thursday, and we love her. We actually
Speaker 2: as we're making our way across the field and the
Speaker 2: catacombs of the Hot Toddy, here comes Ryan Tannehill almost
Speaker 2: runs us over as he's getting carted off in the
Speaker 2: second half with an ankle injury that he looked very
Speaker 2: gimpy on an ankle before he got carted off.
Speaker 1: And then you know, so he leaves and doesn't do anything.
Speaker 2: Mark when Leak Willis comes in and he looks very
Speaker 2: similar to him, Malik Willis. That was so bad at
Speaker 2: the end of last season that Tennessee went and got
Speaker 2: Josh Dobbs off the street. So you put those things together,
Speaker 2: I just don't see a future for this offense.
Speaker 3: No, they already were lost in space concoction. So it's
Speaker 3: like now arrow down on what was already a down
Speaker 3: aimed arrow whatever that means.
Speaker 1: But I will say that's a really down at describe it, like, you.
Speaker 3: Know, there were these things, Oh Willis, you know, he's
Speaker 3: he did look good in the preseason, or better at
Speaker 3: least than he was last year. I hear it and basically,
Speaker 3: like you know, Josh Dobbs, who's playing well in Arizona
Speaker 3: right now. For the most part, like they on the fly,
Speaker 3: the whole coaching staff came to a conclusion, we can't
Speaker 3: trust Malik Willis. We're gonna go get someone off the
Speaker 3: street to take us and.
Speaker 1: Do the critical draft quarterback.
Speaker 5: I draft someone.
Speaker 3: It's like, soybe Mileek Willis won the job, but I
Speaker 3: think he's gonna lose it again if he's stuck in
Speaker 3: there for a while. Of Tannheils. I will say one
Speaker 3: little thing about the tailing. It wasn't like us in
Speaker 3: a thousand other reporters, it's saw Tannehill go by. It
Speaker 3: was a weird, like it's something I'll remember about.
Speaker 5: This is just us.
Speaker 3: It was just the three of us. And also we
Speaker 3: had to like it was a small little hallway in
Speaker 3: this like Medusa's chambered underneath these stadiums, and it was
Speaker 3: like we had to back up against the wall and
Speaker 3: like he we barely like made room for this cart.
Speaker 3: And you're just looking at the look on Tannehill's face.
Speaker 3: It's like, wow, you can see that he's so.
Speaker 1: Dam Yeah, I didn't think you should have said get
Speaker 1: well soon, QB.
Speaker 5: Wright. He's like, I guess the Tanner scale.
Speaker 3: The fist bump was also not which he did not
Speaker 3: accept was not appropriate. I understand that now, but you know,
Speaker 3: I'm growing.
Speaker 5: It is fun though. We were on the sideline, like
Speaker 5: and Mark and I are just saying like the basic
Speaker 5: basic bro comments when like, look, on one play, lamar
Speaker 5: ran right near us, like five yards away from on
Speaker 5: the sideline. We're just like, man, that guy's big.
Speaker 3: They're huge.
Speaker 5: Though. What we say every time we go to get
Speaker 5: it's like focus is quite a managed ball.
Speaker 3: Could walk into a bar and look like a giant
Speaker 3: and beat anyone up or beat everyone up.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's a beast. Uh yeah, there was uh one.
Speaker 2: I just the Titans are just a tough watch, and
Speaker 2: I was watching Rable throughout the game. There was a
Speaker 2: moment when the Titans got back in the game and
Speaker 2: it's a third quarter and they have the ball in
Speaker 2: the red zone and it's second down and Tannehill again
Speaker 2: was not physically right, but he drops back and throws
Speaker 2: basically two prayers near the pylon to DeAndre Hopkins, who
Speaker 2: had one catch on five targets. Neither had a chance
Speaker 2: to the point where he was interfered with on one
Speaker 2: Hopkins throw, but it was so thrown flung out of
Speaker 2: bounds that they picked up the flag. And that was
Speaker 2: after they all so on a fourth and one early
Speaker 2: in the game, they settled for the field goal, and
Speaker 2: it was just like, that's when I say I don't
Speaker 2: see a future for this offense. It just feels like
Speaker 2: it needs a harsh reboot. I know Henry had one
Speaker 2: big run in this game that gave them life. Greg
Speaker 2: on a direct snap, but he's a step slower now
Speaker 2: and it's just like, I don't I just don't see
Speaker 2: it happening for this team.
Speaker 5: So he had a sixty three yarder, Spears had the
Speaker 5: forty eight yarder that was about half of their offensive production,
Speaker 5: and de hop it is cool to be on the
Speaker 5: field that close to see those one on one matchups
Speaker 5: and looks. He's never been the guy who wins immediately
Speaker 5: in terms of his release off the line of scrimmage.
Speaker 5: But those were two players where it was just like, man,
Speaker 5: he had no chance either, there was nowhere to throw
Speaker 5: the ball.
Speaker 3: We also saw him you know again, we're couched down
Speaker 3: in the end zone and he walked off like really
Speaker 3: holding his hand. So we'll see. I don't know. I mean,
Speaker 3: they can't afford to lose anyone else, but they already
Speaker 3: It almost doesn't matter with what I saw today.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the way and do they have their by coming.
Speaker 3: Up next week?
Speaker 2: Is looked the way he was moving and he's had
Speaker 2: you know, injuries the last few years to slow him
Speaker 2: that that looks like something where he's gonna have to
Speaker 2: stay off it for a while.
Speaker 1: I'm sure he was in a boot after this game,
Speaker 1: and like.
Speaker 3: He took where he got. I think some people, if
Speaker 3: you were just sort of watching the casually, you think
Speaker 3: he got he absolually got destroyed on the play, but
Speaker 3: he was hurt before that and hobbling around on the
Speaker 3: field and it's like this is the same thing that
Speaker 3: happened to him a year ago. And they they crashed
Speaker 3: down the stretch.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it was. They were a tough team to watch,
Speaker 5: and at times this week like this has been a
Speaker 5: tough city to be in. Cause when you're in London
Speaker 5: long enough, you can look up and it's a nice
Speaker 5: day and then out of nowhere, the sky's just open
Speaker 5: and then the rain comes down because the Ravens took
Speaker 5: care of this one big and forget about.
Speaker 3: Leaving the EU.
Speaker 5: England is back in the green coins falling from the
Speaker 5: sky all over the UK. The rain Makers one and
Speaker 5: one on the season.
Speaker 3: I mean, he's not wrong this time. You know, it's
Speaker 3: been it's been up and down journey.
Speaker 1: But I wish you would have you know, he just
Speaker 1: went money line on it.
Speaker 5: I don't care, doesn't matter.
Speaker 3: He was prancing around all day in a beautiful rain
Speaker 3: Maker sweatshirt. I don't know if that was made for him,
Speaker 3: apparently not.
Speaker 1: But it was that he would be wearing it.
Speaker 5: I love the beautiful Everyone er out. It's from Idris
Speaker 5: Elba's charity, so I don't know it's been sold. If
Speaker 5: you really want to support the rain Maker, I mean it.
Speaker 3: Should go to the people who've lost, you know, props
Speaker 3: on your on your probably but not you.
Speaker 5: We're doing fine. You know. It's been a tough been
Speaker 5: a tough couple of years for the.
Speaker 1: Little culture difference.
Speaker 2: That Elba's charity, which is or what it is, is
Speaker 2: very important.
Speaker 1: It's it's like knife violence awareness.
Speaker 3: There have been a lot of issues on the on
Speaker 3: the sub on the subways here out in the streets.
Speaker 1: And that's interesting.
Speaker 2: Our country deals with a different weapon that does a
Speaker 2: lot of damage knife awareness.
Speaker 5: And I also this is a separateation, but Dan's got
Speaker 5: a transition out of this one.
Speaker 3: I mentioned the child gangs. Be careful of this me.
Speaker 2: Fire us into another game and we'll share some more
Speaker 2: England thoughts. Uh but uh, let's uh, let's.
Speaker 1: Head, let's head the cency. There was no way out. Now.
Speaker 1: I could have done it if Greg didn't call attention
Speaker 1: to that, right, Yeah, but that's what Greg does.
Speaker 2: Congratulations Greg and Mark, congratulations on your Lin's lock.
Speaker 9: Four and the seven from the eight Gino Smith back
Speaker 9: to throw finishing Ye, the ball squirts forward held the
Speaker 9: Bengals fall on it half the eight yard line.
Speaker 8: That is coffin now Bam bam bam.
Speaker 13: Yeah, Sham Hubbard and Hill, Hubbard and Hill. Two more
Speaker 13: age boys. You got Henderson, Hill Hubbard, all the eight boys.
Speaker 13: Vacant plage pressure in the quarterbacks.
Speaker 3: The whiskey is flowing.
Speaker 1: I must have an open bar there, Dan Horde and
Speaker 1: Dave Lapham w c khy Well, it's good that that
Speaker 1: Greggy got his glory there with the Ravens and you
Speaker 1: locked up the Ravens locked them up.
Speaker 2: Yes, climb and we need some locks. We need to
Speaker 2: hear that sound. That's that's what we live for. And
Speaker 2: uh Zeuser locked up this one with the west Brothers
Speaker 2: as the Bengals, even though their offense.
Speaker 1: Yeah, keep hitting those locks. We got to do three row.
Speaker 5: I mean, Nick Westling will be very We need four
Speaker 5: in row.
Speaker 1: We got to catch us.
Speaker 5: He's on a little streak.
Speaker 3: We're gonna hear about it.
Speaker 1: One more, Nick. I mean you should these texts that
Speaker 1: Westling was sending talk about an open bar.
Speaker 5: I mean, you guys are lucky that you pivoted out
Speaker 5: of that fort lock.
Speaker 1: Can we get that music? Yeah?
Speaker 2: I don't listen all you people on social media that
Speaker 2: think they know what a cowardly lock is. Really I
Speaker 2: can give the Bengals their music back if you could,
Speaker 2: mister Kleinman, because they deserve it. Their defense does at
Speaker 2: least getting multiple stops on Gino Smith and the Seahawks
Speaker 2: deep in the red zone and stealing really a seventeen
Speaker 2: thirteen win.
Speaker 1: Sureg.
Speaker 2: I know this is frustrating for you as a Gino fan,
Speaker 2: as a Seahawks fan, because they had their chances here
Speaker 2: to take a win after their own defense. That's such
Speaker 2: a great job against Burrow in that offense after the
Speaker 2: first couple of drives, but they couldn't make the big play. Now.
Speaker 5: The Seahawks were inside the fifteen yard line three separate
Speaker 5: times in this game without scoring a single point. Once
Speaker 5: had a first and goal at the three where they
Speaker 5: got backed up by a penalty and Gino threw an interception.
Speaker 5: They outgained the Bengals three eighty one to two fourteen.
Speaker 5: They dominated, But oh, I try to look at this globally,
Speaker 5: and I think the Bengals have become a winning organization,
Speaker 5: a winning team, and they've just found a way to
Speaker 5: get to their buy at three and three somehow. If
Speaker 5: you think about all six their games, none of them
Speaker 5: have been complete, none of them, and yet they're three
Speaker 5: and three in Arizona. Their defense was getting shredded, but
Speaker 5: their offense stepped up with a big game last week.
Speaker 5: In this one and then the Monday night win against
Speaker 5: the Rams, the defense gave up a lot of yards
Speaker 5: but saved him, and they just have found a way.
Speaker 5: They're healthy enough. Burrow moved in this game, even though
Speaker 5: the offense was essentially stillborn after the first quarter, and
Speaker 5: they've escaped, and they made enough big plays and Trey
Speaker 5: Hendrickson and Hubbard and all the h boys, as they said,
Speaker 5: made it happen, and they confused the hell out of Genosmith.
Speaker 5: I can't remember Geno Smith ever holding the ball as
Speaker 5: long as he held it today.
Speaker 3: I'm willing to, like just look beyond what happened after
Speaker 3: those first two really great touchdown drives, just because you
Speaker 3: know your quarterback is healthy. He looked healthy, he's moving great.
Speaker 3: You know that. You just believe the burrow will correct
Speaker 3: these things, the offense will. But here this were the
Speaker 3: net yards on the drives after those two touchdown marches
Speaker 3: twenty four fifteen thirteen nineteen zero twelve four negative one.
Speaker 3: I'm not saying it's concerning, because it's like it is concerning.
Speaker 5: They've been a concerning team. They're lucky to be three
Speaker 5: and three. They could be a two and four one five.
Speaker 3: But if we're gonna, you know, if we're gonna say
Speaker 3: Baltimore could be this, but they're this, like the Bengals
Speaker 3: could be this, but they're this. But the Bengals have
Speaker 3: already shown that their AFC title material. And I kind
Speaker 3: of want to trust them to get out of these
Speaker 3: out of these out.
Speaker 1: Of this group.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think that if you talk to a
Speaker 2: Bengals fan and said, listen, Burrow is going to be
Speaker 2: on one leg for most of the first six weeks,
Speaker 2: and you look at the schedule, I think you would
Speaker 2: take three and three. And even though the offense really
Speaker 2: the offense, it's disappointing how they were unable to get
Speaker 2: anything going here down the stretch, including multiple times where
Speaker 2: they could have closed out Seattle and kept on opening
Speaker 2: the door. And lou Anenumo's defense deserves a ton of credit. Still,
Speaker 2: you saw Burrow moving well in this game. He was
Speaker 2: fleshed out, didn't seem to have any setbacks. So as
Speaker 2: long as he's still physically healthy, they're gonna continue, I think,
Speaker 2: to figure things out. But at the same time, Greg
Speaker 2: and you were saying it when we were in the
Speaker 2: car right over from Hot Tidi to Sky Studios. When
Speaker 2: they score those two touchdowns in the first half, it's like, Oh,
Speaker 2: they're back and they're just gonna roll. So it's a
Speaker 2: little mystifying to see it dry up the way it
Speaker 2: did in this game.
Speaker 5: Right, t Higgins is having a nightmare free agent season. Yeah,
Speaker 5: two catches for twenty yards and miscommunications. Today they weren't
Speaker 5: banged up. The running game going. I also think they
Speaker 5: played a really good Seahawks team who is figuring out
Speaker 5: how to put it all together and win, and they
Speaker 5: didn't today. But you know, look, they're the one team
Speaker 5: that did beat Detroit and they're starting to show signs
Speaker 5: on defense that they could be difficult to deal with.
Speaker 5: So I think it's gonna be a really frustrating game
Speaker 5: because for the most part, despite the sacks and the hits,
Speaker 5: I actually think Gino was protected pretty well. He just
Speaker 5: he just didn't know what he was seeing and he
Speaker 5: just held it forever, over and over and over again.
Speaker 5: It was one of those games where you don't want
Speaker 5: to be on the TV copy because you're like, what
Speaker 5: are you doing, Gino? You're just you're just holding it
Speaker 5: forever and maybe sometimes the receivers aren't open, uh, but
Speaker 5: you still got to get rid of the ball. And
Speaker 5: so that's a credit to the Bengals defense. But for
Speaker 5: the most part, like there's a lot of good things
Speaker 5: about the Sea Ox team. After five you.
Speaker 3: Talked about like him throwing with almost extreme confidence at
Speaker 3: times where he's like firing the ball into dangerous I
Speaker 3: think it's like I kind of like that he just
Speaker 3: simply believe I have some dimes to night. He threw
Speaker 3: a couple insane throws. Can I just want to play
Speaker 3: the Bengals song for like one second? I want to
Speaker 3: tell you one thing I think about it. We just
Speaker 3: play it for a second.
Speaker 1: Nice Well, So.
Speaker 3: Like I was listening to this, it's like, I do
Speaker 3: truly believe this is a top three song for me
Speaker 3: in my entire life. It's just become that, you know,
Speaker 3: because it's like I think I will put this on
Speaker 3: air pods, on.
Speaker 1: This better than sus It.
Speaker 2: Is number three all time, it's's greatest and.
Speaker 3: Is in a one or two spot, you know it.
Speaker 3: Can I can shuffle between two end you songs, but
Speaker 3: this is number three. And it's like I'm just gonna
Speaker 3: sit on that airplane home with a drink on the
Speaker 3: table and just listen to it on repeat.
Speaker 1: How the West Was Won?
Speaker 3: It's got a little bit of that thing. Yeah, And
Speaker 3: I think it fits the Bengals team, you know, they
Speaker 3: wild West. You know showdowns, everyone gets a little dirty, filthy,
Speaker 3: sometimes very filthy, filthy, dirty man.
Speaker 2: We had some good times with a handsome Hank Henry Hodgson,
Speaker 2: our buddy, one of our great buds that started here
Speaker 2: in England, did a decade or so in l a
Speaker 2: And that was back in England running the show for
Speaker 2: the UK. We had we had conversations in the Wilton
Speaker 2: Arms the pub. You're a hotel that we can never
Speaker 2: discuss it, No, we.
Speaker 3: Can never discuss. And I think it's funny because like
Speaker 3: out on the town, and it happens only in London,
Speaker 3: but like out in the town sometimes, like you know,
Speaker 3: like there are a lot of people are here for
Speaker 3: the football game, Like they'll come up to us and
Speaker 3: want to take a photo and then Henry's like sometimes
Speaker 3: taking the photo. It's like do you realize that Henry
Speaker 3: is essentially like Europe's Roder Goodell, like the and and
Speaker 3: probably some day has a chance to be our Roder
Speaker 3: Goodell And like uh, they're like would you mind taking
Speaker 3: a photo of the boys like tall and powerful and handsome,
Speaker 3: and like, well, that's not what I thought you were
Speaker 3: gonna right.
Speaker 5: No, I mean that was a that was a pretty
Speaker 5: strong pivot away from well no, potentially dangerous territory. We
Speaker 5: cannot dance biologically.
Speaker 3: We cannot discuss the other topic on it.
Speaker 2: I thought what you were gonna say, Mark, was that
Speaker 2: we were, you know, a fans coming up to ask
Speaker 2: for a photo. And then you realize, oh, they were
Speaker 2: sitting at the table next to us during some of
Speaker 2: these conversations that could never be shared.
Speaker 3: No, they would want nothing to do with us if
Speaker 3: they if they hadn't heard.
Speaker 1: All right, let's stay in the NFC West and see
Speaker 1: how the Rams number nine and royal and it's all
Speaker 1: above the board.
Speaker 3: It's nothing.
Speaker 1: I love that rugby touchdown.
Speaker 3: Cooper Cup touch that away.
Speaker 13: Thirteen yards for his first touchdown this season, night and
Speaker 13: dime on the money on the first possession of the
Speaker 13: third quarter.
Speaker 1: That's our boy, j B.
Speaker 3: Long.
Speaker 1: I call him JB Smooth. Been taken now.
Speaker 2: It is because he's so so velvety on the mic.
Speaker 2: And guess what, the Rams they just take care. It's
Speaker 2: a take care of business week against the Cardinals who
Speaker 2: hung in the first half as they seem to do
Speaker 2: most weeks.
Speaker 1: But the Rams pull away.
Speaker 2: And yes it is Cooper Cup with his first of
Speaker 2: what if he remains healthy now many many touchdowns this
Speaker 2: season because he is as good as ever with Matthew
Speaker 2: Stafford flinging them perfect spirals twenty six to nine Rams
Speaker 2: roll Mark.
Speaker 3: It's Cooper Cup and it's someone else, and I wonder
Speaker 3: if it signals a potential change for the Rams TBD
Speaker 3: on that, But they were they were sat at around
Speaker 3: sixty five yards in the first half until Stafford hit
Speaker 3: Cup for forty five yard game that set up a
Speaker 3: field goal to put them up nine to six. That said,
Speaker 3: they were twenty minutes in the game and close to
Speaker 3: halftime too. They had six yards rushing and they had
Speaker 3: been into it coming into this contest. In four out
Speaker 3: of five of them, they were held under one hundred
Speaker 3: yards and it's just like they just they couldn't run
Speaker 3: the ball. And it's like with all that else that's
Speaker 3: going on, like on this team in general, it's like
Speaker 3: you want to see them be able to be balanced,
Speaker 3: and they couldn't, and it was it was it put
Speaker 3: them out into rough pastures at times. But then I
Speaker 3: love what happened you come out of halftime, because again
Speaker 3: this was a game where the Cardinals it's like, I
Speaker 3: don't they're sneaky, frisky or I don't know what the
Speaker 3: term is, but they were hanging around. Josh Dobbs is
Speaker 3: doing his thing there. Defense looked really like they're fightty
Speaker 3: first half, their first half, fight here, or sometimes it's
Speaker 3: second half, but it's like definitely first half. And the
Speaker 3: Rams came out and it's like, we're gonna do the
Speaker 3: thing that we can't do and just keep doing it
Speaker 3: till we can. And Kyron Williams, who has you know,
Speaker 3: been up and down, came out on this opening drive
Speaker 3: to take a bigger lead, and he gashed the Cardinals
Speaker 3: for seventeen yards. Next play six yards, next play fourteen yards,
Speaker 3: next play ten yards, and it's like, this is how
Speaker 3: you start to break a team like the Cardinals that
Speaker 3: knows they can hang around, but then at this point
Speaker 3: they're one in five starts to probably have internal suspicions
Speaker 3: when a team gets hot on them like this. Kyen
Speaker 3: Williams Winds up with one hundred and fifty eight yards
Speaker 3: and a touchdown at seven point nine yards per carry.
Speaker 3: To me, because shutting down the Cardinals offense is never
Speaker 3: a huge story. To do this on the ground and
Speaker 3: to dominate they way they did down the stretch was
Speaker 3: a bit of a sea change, and I just wonder
Speaker 3: if you know, teams change, and if they can start
Speaker 3: to run the ball this in big spots or on
Speaker 3: big downs from short yardage situations, if you can trust
Speaker 3: that this Rams team that is three and three is
Speaker 3: in a different place.
Speaker 5: What's amazing to even think about that they could be
Speaker 5: a team that has a take care of business game.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 5: They're supposed to be one of the worst teams league,
Speaker 5: and they were trailing at halftime and they won the
Speaker 5: second half twenty to nothing. And you think about their
Speaker 5: two wins Colts and the Cardinals, their last two wins,
Speaker 5: they ran the ball very physically in both of these games.
Speaker 5: That's the type of team that they want to be,
Speaker 5: to be a closing team that wears you down. You
Speaker 5: don't think of the Rams that way, but they can
Speaker 5: do that because they have Stafford in Cup, Like that's
Speaker 5: the thing that makes it happen. And out of the
Speaker 5: ten best throws I thought saw today, I feel like
Speaker 5: four or five were Stafford. It's just like, I just
Speaker 5: want to watching this dude play and you can't really
Speaker 5: separate Cup from Stafford, but that doesn't matter. Like it's
Speaker 5: a wide receiver league and there's you just can't tell
Speaker 5: me there's any wide receiver particularly better than Cooper Cup.
Speaker 5: I mean, justin Jefferson is who he is. And if
Speaker 5: I'm like starting a team, I guess it would take
Speaker 5: him first. But you can't. He's not at another level.
Speaker 5: No one is a level above where Cooper Cup is
Speaker 5: fifteen for two sixty six in his first two games back.
Speaker 1: By Yeah, and uh, I guess the only thing that
Speaker 1: would stop you is that he's a little bit sneaky old.
Speaker 1: He's thirty, kind of you kind of expect that.
Speaker 5: But when he's on the field and healthy.
Speaker 2: And he's had he had a he had a knee
Speaker 2: injury that cost him a season, but like his yeah,
Speaker 2: his ability to get open and just really master like
Speaker 2: seems like every element of the game. And again, I
Speaker 2: think he was a third round pick back in the day.
Speaker 2: Uh yeah, sixty ninth overall twenty seventeen. He's a brilliant player.
Speaker 2: And yeah, I know, I know, Matthew Stafford's probably not
Speaker 2: going to the Hall of Fame, but he is to
Speaker 2: me one of the greatest throwers of the football that
Speaker 2: I have ever seen. He is right there with Aaron Rodgers,
Speaker 2: who many times gets that crown in terms of modern players.
Speaker 2: Such a beautiful ball, and he throws some of those things.
Speaker 1: Greg.
Speaker 2: You just it's like a you need kind of a
Speaker 2: cannon to make some of the throws he makes. But
Speaker 2: he puts them right on the right, on the money, uh,
Speaker 2: with no margin, Ferrera, and he does it quite often.
Speaker 1: You protect him and keep him healthy. This is a
Speaker 1: playoff team that wanted.
Speaker 3: To at well.
Speaker 5: Was like hello, like that that was two twos only catch,
Speaker 5: and now you know Pukaku is gonna be less of
Speaker 5: the offense. He had twenty six yards today and two
Speaker 5: too only had that one catch. Like it's fine. They
Speaker 5: don't need to be superstars, but he's making their production
Speaker 5: with these shrows. If they're just a fun team, I mean, uh,
Speaker 5: they're a fun team to watch. They're giving the Rams
Speaker 5: fans some enjoyment. I'm gonna lock them up.
Speaker 1: Are you gonna nominate him? Give him a lock?
Speaker 3: Sound?
Speaker 1: Wow?
Speaker 5: The Rams movie.
Speaker 2: I don't know if if the audience would be down
Speaker 2: with that, but I think that they are certainly fun
Speaker 2: to watch, and they are to me like one of
Speaker 2: the biggest surprises definitely in the NFC West and in
Speaker 2: general in the NFC because they are in a credit
Speaker 2: credit credit to Sean.
Speaker 3: One little other No, I feel like I don't know
Speaker 3: if we mentioned his name in ages. But like Raheem Morris,
Speaker 3: who took leads a defense that you know in August
Speaker 3: for like Aaron Donald has no one else around him.
Speaker 3: He's done a He's like my mom always monitoring this
Speaker 3: assistant Coach of the Year thing. Jim Schwartz is up there,
Speaker 3: but like Raheem.
Speaker 2: We're monitoring who, like who could dare come up against
Speaker 2: your beloved Jim Schwartz.
Speaker 1: That's what this well.
Speaker 3: But they also wasn't my pick A couple of weeks ago.
Speaker 5: Ram was probably also have like the twenty fifth best
Speaker 5: even also shout out to Veronica, Sean mcvay's wife for
Speaker 5: holding that baby in just one more day so he
Speaker 5: could coach that win. A veteran moved by her, I'm.
Speaker 2: Sure she's listening. Controls fourth and.
Speaker 6: Ten at the Houston twenty four car in the gun leg.
Speaker 5: Down, here's the snap.
Speaker 3: Controlling it.
Speaker 6: Are gonna call it incomplete and Saints turning over on downs.
Speaker 13: Houston has the rock fifteen seconds to go, but they
Speaker 13: can shoes.
Speaker 1: Okay with you sharing that very private moment.
Speaker 3: That's public, that's public names.
Speaker 1: All right there it is, Well, what do you guys
Speaker 1: talk over the shut up? Mark vandermir with a call
Speaker 1: k I L.
Speaker 2: T Texans Man. The Texans a what a fun start
Speaker 2: to the season. They are three and three, but they
Speaker 2: are a feisty, frisky no no, no, no, forget feisty,
Speaker 2: a frisky three and three twenty to thirteen win over
Speaker 2: the New Orleans Saints at home. CJ Stroud once again
Speaker 2: making big boy throws in.
Speaker 1: His rookie season.
Speaker 2: He throws for nearly two hundred yards two scores, and
Speaker 2: they get some good stops on defense. A game here,
Speaker 2: boys where Derek Carr, you know, box scores can lie.
Speaker 2: He threw for three hundred and fifty three yards in
Speaker 2: that game. But they only produce, like I said, thirteen
Speaker 2: points and they only allowed three points the second half
Speaker 2: the Houston defense. So Demiico Ryans is starting to figure
Speaker 2: some things out on this side of things. And you
Speaker 2: have what are you? What's wrong?
Speaker 3: I'll ask you a question in a minute. Go ahead,
Speaker 3: Well go you're talk about the thirteen points, like, yes,
Speaker 3: you get to Houston's thirty four miss field goal, You
Speaker 3: get to Houston's twenty seven or sorry, Houston's eleven missfield goal,
Speaker 3: and then your final drive you get to Houston's twenty
Speaker 3: four and you have an interception. How frustrating is can
Speaker 3: that be for Saints fans? Yeah, the furniture around the room.
Speaker 2: They consistently they moved the ball, but then when it
Speaker 2: was time to do the business of scoring, they failed.
Speaker 2: To the point they had four hundred and thirty yards
Speaker 2: in this game to just two ninety seven for the Texans,
Speaker 2: and yet they did not have that ability to punch
Speaker 2: it in and take this game. So credit Houston's defense
Speaker 2: is starting to figure some things out.
Speaker 5: I would be concerned for the Saints, but I'm so
Speaker 5: excited about this Texans team.
Speaker 1: They matched their win total from last year.
Speaker 5: That's well, for real, it's that and they're gonna They're
Speaker 5: at least hopefully because I'm liking this team, gonna keep
Speaker 5: Jacksonville honest in a division that the Jaguars could threaten
Speaker 5: to pull away with. The Titans don't look too good.
Speaker 5: You know, we heard some bad news about Richardson. You know,
Speaker 5: Patrick and Chuck will get to those games later. But
Speaker 5: this Texans team is young. They have the like makeup
Speaker 5: to get better as the season goes along because they're
Speaker 5: so young.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, this game, well, the Saints have lost third
Speaker 2: time in four games after opening the season at two
Speaker 2: and zero. And yeah, I think that's it's a it's
Speaker 2: a game about missed opportunities for this offense. And you know,
Speaker 2: I think if you're someone who's uh, there's a couple
Speaker 2: of things with this offense that Derek Carr is. He's
Speaker 2: very similar to the Raiders Derek Carr, where he's gonna
Speaker 2: give you a very professional effort, but he's not maybe
Speaker 2: a playmaker quarterback that you need. Alvin Kamara, he's really
Speaker 2: there since he came back from the suspension. He is
Speaker 2: very very active within this offense.
Speaker 5: They give him the ball a ton twenty six touches.
Speaker 2: But the difference between Alvin Kamara of this year and
Speaker 2: a couple of years back is he doesn't ever kind
Speaker 2: of get that crease and have that big play. He'll
Speaker 2: go get you seven yards now, but that's seven yards
Speaker 2: used to be twenty yards a couple of years back,
Speaker 2: So that's an issue. And yeah, Chris A Lave, they
Speaker 2: find a way to get him the ball. If you
Speaker 2: want to look for positive. It's one of the things
Speaker 2: that have been frustrating I think for Saints fans is
Speaker 2: a lave not being the focal point of the passing game.
Speaker 2: He led the team in targets at nearly a one
Speaker 2: hundred yards, but ultimately when they needed to make the
Speaker 2: big play, a lave Michael Thomas kept out of the
Speaker 2: end zone, as was Alvin Kamara.
Speaker 5: I like it when, just like record justice happens. The
Speaker 5: Saints should not be a four and two team. They
Speaker 5: deserve to be knocked down to three and three the Texans.
Speaker 5: They've been an enjoyable team. They deserve to get up
Speaker 5: to three and three. So it's just like this, this
Speaker 5: was justice.
Speaker 3: The boring offense rankings. You know, the Patriots are beyond
Speaker 3: I mean sure, if boring were the worst possible thing,
Speaker 3: you could say they're the number one team. But where
Speaker 3: are the Saints? Just feels like a that sounds like
Speaker 3: a Wednesday Show conversation.
Speaker 5: Okay, well, especially because they're played on Thursday night football.
Speaker 1: Oh perfect, look, you've you've done our work for jah there.
Speaker 3: I mean, we have to watch this game though on
Speaker 3: tape and I'll watch the text watch it.
Speaker 1: Okay, now, let's take care of some housekeeping before we
Speaker 1: hand the handoff uh to claybann and shook.
Speaker 2: First of all, rugby shout out into rugby now. Was
Speaker 2: completely unaware of its existence. Almost I knew that it
Speaker 2: was a thing. Actually watched it with Henry at a
Speaker 2: bar in notting Hill. Watched a great Whales Argentina match. Argentina.
Speaker 2: Good job, Ireland gets taken up by New Zealand. That
Speaker 2: one hurt, but it was actually another fun match. Big thanks.
Speaker 2: So yeah, rugby, you guys discover any sport. It's out here.
Speaker 5: I mean I watched the Ireland game. I was learning
Speaker 5: about the strategy. I'm into it now too. Like watching
Speaker 5: the hits today on the field from up close was crazy,
Speaker 5: but suddenly they didn't seem quite as vicious after.
Speaker 2: Watching I don't know half those rugby guys survive one game.
Speaker 1: I gotta I gotta say climbing.
Speaker 5: Yes, I was gonna say England for South Africa now
Speaker 5: and the Semis coming up.
Speaker 3: Look at you gotta you gotta stick around and watch
Speaker 3: it there.
Speaker 5: I watched that game and and I I would like
Speaker 5: to declare the entire New Zealand team is now in
Speaker 5: the concussion protocol just by my eyes.
Speaker 2: And and uh yes, uh, Ireland for me is my
Speaker 2: team of a rugby TL and I hope they'll be
Speaker 2: back next year and Sexton and company have one more
Speaker 2: crack at it big. Thanks to everybody here at Sky.
Speaker 2: It could not have run smoother everyone that we worked with, uh,
Speaker 2: including uh Phoebe, who was a pleasure.
Speaker 5: Absolutely we got to get around the show.
Speaker 2: Yes, and also of course Neil Reynolds, our buddy we
Speaker 2: met and Dominic and Sue, who introduced himself as Sue,
Speaker 2: just said high, I'm Sue.
Speaker 4: That was interesting.
Speaker 3: I think we formed. I mean there was a friendship
Speaker 3: that for him there until maybe we began to do
Speaker 3: our on field hits and by the end of the
Speaker 3: game he might have thought, oh my god.
Speaker 5: Mark immediately mentioned, uh the column that he's brought up
Speaker 5: about seventy eight times on this show that he wrote
Speaker 5: about moms.
Speaker 3: Of the Dominic and Sue's mom, who you know, went
Speaker 3: on a long, delightful tangent about Dominic and Sue at
Speaker 3: a young age being sort of a genius with legos,
Speaker 3: and I thought.
Speaker 2: A really nice conversation icebreak or they call that, Yes,
Speaker 2: so thank you.
Speaker 3: To talk to him four or five more times, and
Speaker 3: then the attraction level on his side and started.
Speaker 1: A Thanks to Zika, that Indian restaurant in London. That
Speaker 1: was the wonderful dinner we had last night. Second year
Speaker 1: in a row we've gone to Zike. Killed it. If
Speaker 1: you're in London and you want to have was it free?
Speaker 5: Ten out of ten? It was not free.
Speaker 3: Thank you too. You're helping them, you know, and.
Speaker 5: That makes me that happy. They deserve it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and thank you to everyone back at the NFL
Speaker 2: office who helped make this happen, Matt Schneider, Meredith Batton,
Speaker 2: like all the people that support our show behind the scenes.
Speaker 2: Uh and get us here because it's it takes work.
Speaker 2: And of course Henry Hotson, who's done amazing work supporting
Speaker 2: us through the years, including once again this year.
Speaker 5: Anything else, I mean stepping right into with the live
Speaker 5: show right here on the ones and twos. We got
Speaker 5: DJ Jason Klein.
Speaker 1: Got a DJ horn in there in the post he fire, Yeah,
Speaker 1: d killed it, killed it.
Speaker 5: He killed it. But no, it's all like this is
Speaker 5: all these trips. You just feel very grateful for where
Speaker 5: we're at and grateful that we got guys like Shook
Speaker 5: and Claybon to take the rest of the show home
Speaker 5: so we don't have to blather on anymore. It's two
Speaker 5: in the morning. We've talked for an hour.
Speaker 1: And just and just U with Climbing.
Speaker 2: Not only did he do a great job of producing
Speaker 2: and helping us out today of course what has been
Speaker 2: a sixteen hour day, we threw him into the boiler
Speaker 2: of a live show and then end he really stepped
Speaker 2: up for us there too.
Speaker 1: So Jason, thank you, Buy and.
Speaker 5: Eric back on the home front.
Speaker 4: I was gonna say big, big shout out to Eric.
Speaker 5: A lot of a lot of help back there, Eric
Speaker 5: Brady and the team. So you can celebrate by enjoying
Speaker 5: like half a day off and then another podcast tomorrow
Speaker 5: and then another podcast on.
Speaker 2: All right, without further ado, we have some more games
Speaker 2: to get to, but we are going to sign off
Speaker 2: here as we are past two am here in London.
Speaker 2: I can't wait to be back next year. But now
Speaker 2: we throw it to Patrick Claiban to take us home.
Speaker 1: Claibah momentum is real.
Speaker 4: And a big American hello to you guys.
Speaker 14: Appreciate that to the guys in London will allow them
Speaker 14: to take a break. Patrick Claiborn here in the Chris
Speaker 14: Westling podcast studio, joined digitally by Nick Shook.
Speaker 4: Nick, we got it. We'll give the boys a break
Speaker 4: and we'll finish up week six for him. Why not?
Speaker 10: This is the magic of the Internet.
Speaker 15: We can do this from multiple different time zones right now,
Speaker 15: you know, from the West Coast to the North Coast
Speaker 15: to whatever they call around London.
Speaker 14: We're doing it all everything. If the people in London
Speaker 14: are listening. We got a dude from northeast ohioan a
Speaker 14: dude from central Alabama. I'm ready to finish up this podcast,
Speaker 14: so let's get things going.
Speaker 4: It's top for the.
Speaker 14: Sunday Drive presented by the first ever Toyota Grand Highlander.
Speaker 14: After a slow start, it was defends to the finish
Speaker 14: in Miami.
Speaker 5: Third down in golf of the one posted in the backfield.
Speaker 3: It's got it to moster touchdowns.
Speaker 4: Third in the afternoon. Boy, Raheem Mostert just does it again.
Speaker 4: It's get tippy out there now too.
Speaker 1: Got a pushing and shoving.
Speaker 3: What a game for.
Speaker 13: Raheem Mostert and the Dolphins now score thirty four consecutive points.
Speaker 3: They were down fourteen nothing at the end.
Speaker 1: Of the first quarter.
Speaker 3: It's now thirty four to fourteen over the Panthers.
Speaker 14: Jimmy'son following Joe Rose to WBGG telling the story. They're
Speaker 14: at Carolina Panthers team they said it fourteen to nothing. Shook,
Speaker 14: but then the Miami Dolphins happened. Raheem Mostard had three touchdowns.
Speaker 14: Excuse me, to a tongue and to Low had three touchdowns.
Speaker 14: Most had one hundred and fifteen yards on the ground.
Speaker 4: You start fast agains. It doesn't matter. They're the Dolphins.
Speaker 15: No, No, it doesn't matter at all. This is a
Speaker 15: team that I think maybe needed a slow first quarter
Speaker 15: to service. They're smelling salts because once they woke up,
Speaker 15: they were off to the races. It's as if somebody
Speaker 15: just knocked them right in the john said hey, you
Speaker 15: have a football game to play. They were like, oh,
Speaker 15: you're right. We are the Miami Dolphins. We do have
Speaker 15: Tyreek Hill, we do have two a tongue of by
Speaker 15: Low and Raheem Moster. Even if we don't have Devona
Speaker 15: h Chain, we'll be just fine. And they were just fine.
Speaker 15: Got off to the races, had a phenomenal second and
Speaker 15: third quarter, just put up a ton of points on
Speaker 15: the board.
Speaker 10: Everything seemed easy for them.
Speaker 15: Offensively, they figured it out defensively, Bryce Stung looked solid
Speaker 15: in the first quarter, he looked he had two of
Speaker 15: his best drives of his young career, and then after
Speaker 15: that only went back to being the Panthers and didn't
Speaker 15: score again offensively for the rest of the game. Miami
Speaker 15: is they're almost a team that's just inevitable at this point.
Speaker 15: They're a team that's gonna put points on the board.
Speaker 15: They've only really struggled offensively once, and that was going
Speaker 15: to win over the Patriots on Sunday Night Football. Since then,
Speaker 15: they've just been a machine, and they were a machine
Speaker 15: once again on Sunday.
Speaker 14: They did it without their their new speedy addition to
Speaker 14: von h Hm, who's had a spectacular start to his career,
Speaker 14: Raheem Mostert taking the line chair.
Speaker 4: That carry's getting the most out of those.
Speaker 14: And then you come into the fact you get Jalen
Speaker 14: Wattle doing the wattle, the owners up in the booth
Speaker 14: waddling as well. Tyreek Hill is doing a celebration that
Speaker 14: inevitably and for those of you didn't see, he scores
Speaker 14: that touchdown, grabs somebody who has already recorded. This was
Speaker 14: previously discussed clearly because he's recording. As Tyreek Hill scores,
Speaker 14: he takes the phone from the person who's recording, does
Speaker 14: a backflip while looking at the phone, and gives it
Speaker 14: back to him. I'm sure we'll use that in promotions.
Speaker 14: While Tyreek is being fined either way, he says he
Speaker 14: doesn't care about the money. They're a point machine. There's
Speaker 14: an absolute point factory in South Florida.
Speaker 10: I think Mike mcdanield said that for the game. I
Speaker 10: was told that it was a prop and I told him, and.
Speaker 15: He said, well, it wasn't my phone, so don't I
Speaker 15: don't see the problem with it. The other thing I
Speaker 15: have about this phone video, by the way, is I
Speaker 15: saw Joe shadd had tweeted it and it ended right
Speaker 15: when he grabbed the phone and looked down. I don't
Speaker 15: know if it was trimmed on purpose or if it
Speaker 15: really did just end there. If so big missed opportunity
Speaker 15: on a highlight play. But yeah, I mean this, Tyree
Speaker 15: Hills so much fun to watch this team. He You know,
Speaker 15: we speak hyperbolically about a lot of players pretty often,
Speaker 15: because this is a league full of elite talent, but
Speaker 15: he is just one of a kind in the way
Speaker 15: that his catch and run ability can completely change a
Speaker 15: game and just given an entire defense nightmares. I mean,
Speaker 15: he ran a deep in I think it would have
Speaker 15: been for a game of like twenty yards. He reversed
Speaker 15: course at midfield on the logo and picked up another
Speaker 15: twenty seven yards going down the right sideline. Nobody could
Speaker 15: catch me to run out of bounce. It's just he's
Speaker 15: a phenomenal player and really keeps this this offense going.
Speaker 15: Oh and by the way, speaking of celebrations, they didn't
Speaker 15: remember the Titans celebration.
Speaker 10: I don't if you remember that scene where they walked in.
Speaker 15: They do the you know you know, like, yeah, they
Speaker 15: did that one too.
Speaker 10: They're very creative there.
Speaker 14: They're gonna run out of movies at a certain point
Speaker 14: that they're scoring so much. This Dolphins team fun to watch,
Speaker 14: fun to watch them celebrate in the end zone. They
Speaker 14: get the win forty two to twenty one over those
Speaker 14: Carolina Panthers.
Speaker 4: As you said, Sammy, yes, be invinezo Ammyammy.
Speaker 14: They get that win. That was the Sunday Drive presented
Speaker 14: by Toyota. Let's go places learn more. At Toyota dot
Speaker 14: Com slash Grand Highlander.
Speaker 4: So we'll get a chance to see Tyreek Hill.
Speaker 14: In a revenge game in Frankfurt, Germany against the Kansas
Speaker 14: City Chiefs. There were so many revenge game dynamics going
Speaker 14: on in Las Vegas today. Josh McDaniels, the former twice
Speaker 14: over three times over Padawan taking on Bill Belichick, the
Speaker 14: Jedi master in Las Vegas.
Speaker 3: How about we finish this off with a safety?
Speaker 1: Shall we anything but a deep bowl, poured out territory?
Speaker 7: Obviously Jones standing in his own end zone to our right,
Speaker 7: snap back to pressure again off.
Speaker 6: The edge, bat sack for the safety, Crossdy and Nichols.
Speaker 4: They noted the seng.
Speaker 7: Hey school sto to the turf?
Speaker 4: Have the Raiders defense?
Speaker 9: How's that safety?
Speaker 4: Jason Sis who predicted it? How about you give me
Speaker 4: the lottery numbers for next week.
Speaker 14: That's Lincoln Kennedy asking Jason Horowitz of KRLV, what happened
Speaker 14: there and what's going to happen?
Speaker 4: Is he predicted the safety?
Speaker 14: Max Crosby gets to Mac Jones and this Patriots team
Speaker 14: falls yet again.
Speaker 4: Shook.
Speaker 14: They lose to the Raiders in Las Vegas. They are
Speaker 14: just a brutal performance by an offense twenty one to seventeen.
Speaker 14: They did finally get back in the red zone, but
Speaker 14: they couldn't do a.
Speaker 4: Lot out of it.
Speaker 15: Yeah, first off, I know this is kind of out
Speaker 15: of my realm of power and influence, but I'm just
Speaker 15: gonna suggest this right now to you. Producer Eric put
Speaker 15: that in the file folder for best calls the year.
Speaker 10: I mean, it's already the lottery numbers called.
Speaker 15: That's gotta be there, because this was fantastic, a great
Speaker 15: way to end this game in an otherwise kind.
Speaker 10: Of an ugly game.
Speaker 15: Patrick, To be honest with you, the Patriots got a
Speaker 15: little bit better offensively, a little bit a little bit better,
Speaker 15: not still not very good. They did get to the
Speaker 15: red zone, like you said, finally, but everything is so
Speaker 15: tough for this team, you know, not to start with
Speaker 15: the losers in this in this show and in this
Speaker 15: game recap. But I mean, they needed seventeen plays and
Speaker 15: nine and a half minutes to score a touchdown to
Speaker 15: make it a one possession game of the fourth coreter.
Speaker 15: They didn't leave themselves much time. Then Mac Jones throws
Speaker 15: his best pass to twenty twenty three and Devonte Parker
Speaker 15: drops a near midfield. I mean, that's just where these
Speaker 15: Patriots are offensively right now. It's tough to watch. Meanwhile,
Speaker 15: on the Raiders side, pretty good team win, I think,
Speaker 15: nothing super spectacular. You lose Jimmy Garoppolo before halftime, do
Speaker 15: a back injury. Brian Hoyer steps in, gets you into
Speaker 15: the red zone a few times, can't finish the job
Speaker 15: because he still remembered, you know, he's Brian Hoyer and
Speaker 15: does not throw to Devonte Adams where you can actually
Speaker 15: go both and make a play on the ball. But
Speaker 15: you know, it was a strong performance I think as
Speaker 15: a team, just the Raiders are a team that too
Speaker 15: often have melted down and lost games like this. Last
Speaker 15: year they did it a lot, and for it was
Speaker 15: really refreshing to see them close this one out with
Speaker 15: you know, both all three phases in the game.
Speaker 14: Yeah, and again you said you hate to start with
Speaker 14: the losing team, but truly it feels as though this
Speaker 14: was another Patriots lost. Mac Jones rolling to his right,
Speaker 14: is looking for Hunter Henry, who's opening. Got his hands up.
Speaker 14: He tries to throw on the run. He throws it
Speaker 14: seven or eight yards behind Hunter Henry and Trayvon Merrick
Speaker 14: picks that ball off, takes it back.
Speaker 4: Down the sideline.
Speaker 14: There were so many missed opportunities you mentioned Devonte Parker.
Speaker 14: This was a team that had gone twenty seven consecutive
Speaker 14: drives without making an appearance into the red zone. They
Speaker 14: finally do, and it's it's kind of more of the
Speaker 14: same and they have to play so well, They have
Speaker 14: to execute so well to make things work, and when
Speaker 14: they don't do that, it just looks bad. There's not
Speaker 14: really an idea. I actually picked them to win this game.
Speaker 14: And considering the fact that Jimmy Garoppolo leaves you mentioned
Speaker 14: he has to go to the hospital they're checking on
Speaker 14: his back. Brian Hoyer comes in and ice is a win.
Speaker 14: I just don't know where to go with this new
Speaker 14: England Patriots team.
Speaker 15: Well, I mean on the Raiders side, Continuity really helped
Speaker 15: him out with the whole Hoyer coming in for his
Speaker 15: second pass of the game was like a forty seven
Speaker 15: yard completion down the middle of the field. You were like,
Speaker 15: all right, this guy's done this before. But you're right,
Speaker 15: where do you go with this Patriots group? Because you're right,
Speaker 15: they have to play almost perfectly to get anything done.
Speaker 15: You thought in this offseason that all right, we bring
Speaker 15: Bill O'Brien in and that fixes the whole offensive coordinator conundrum.
Speaker 15: Whether or not they had titles, who was actually calling
Speaker 15: the players last year?
Speaker 10: That's done.
Speaker 15: There should be better. Mac Jones still has potential and
Speaker 15: he just hasn't. I blame a lot of it on
Speaker 15: the offensive line. It's been a revolving cast of characters
Speaker 15: so far. They can't get any continuity up there. Max
Speaker 15: Crosby getting that safety was a product of him feasting
Speaker 15: on the left tackle Vederian Lowe for most of the
Speaker 15: afternoon and especially in that big moment there.
Speaker 10: They just any consistency.
Speaker 15: You know me, I'm somebody who will live and die
Speaker 15: by it starts in the trenches and they are losing
Speaker 15: that battle every week on the offensive line.
Speaker 10: And you can't really do anything if your offensive line
Speaker 10: is good enough to win.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and then we've seen some movie parts. They've made
Speaker 4: some acquisitions.
Speaker 14: JC Jackson was out there on the field today covering
Speaker 14: DeVante Adams. There's just only so many things that you
Speaker 14: can do, especially defensively, when the offense is as the
Speaker 14: net as it was, and Max Crosby making that play.
Speaker 14: Max Crosby makes a lot of offensive lines. I look bad
Speaker 14: and I'll hop on the soapbox here real quick because
Speaker 14: I'm I'm on this flagship program. Nick we get Max
Speaker 14: Crosby gets credited for his motor a lot, and he
Speaker 14: does try hard. He does play a lot of plays.
Speaker 14: He is an exceptionally gifted athlete.
Speaker 10: Yes, he's not just out there, not just a try hard.
Speaker 14: Yes, his comparables athletically leading up to the draft was
Speaker 14: Javon Curse.
Speaker 4: We literally called him the freak. It's out stop it,
Speaker 4: this is.
Speaker 15: This is this is a product of anti mac bias
Speaker 15: as a mid American conference guy.
Speaker 10: Myself, this is anti mac bias. He came from Eastern Michigan.
Speaker 15: Everybody overlooked him, and now you just got to say
Speaker 15: he's a tryhard.
Speaker 1: No.
Speaker 15: I saw him destroy Mike Kasiki on I think it
Speaker 15: was that last sack or maybe one other play, obliterate
Speaker 15: him as he tried to get a chip, and then
Speaker 15: he just raced around the end. I mean to the
Speaker 15: point where GASICKI turned around and was like, oh my god,
Speaker 15: I can't believe I just got.
Speaker 4: Hit like that.
Speaker 10: The guy is a unit you're stood next to him.
Speaker 10: He's massive. I'm not a small person, he's massive. He
Speaker 10: makes me look tiny.
Speaker 14: Okay, Chios, Yes, absolutely, Jack Pottuh maybe and maybe Brent
Speaker 14: would be one of those people that would say he's
Speaker 14: just out there trying hard.
Speaker 4: He's not.
Speaker 14: The man is chiseled out of granite. He's like a
Speaker 14: freaking ass guardian. So that is a win by the Raiders.
Speaker 14: They get back on the board in the boend column
Speaker 14: against well, a whole lot of a whole lot of
Speaker 14: Raiders playing against their former team. Jacobe Myers also had
Speaker 14: a touchdown against the Patriots. More revenge themes here in
Speaker 14: week six, as Gardner Minshew's revenge game really wasn't.
Speaker 11: Ninth play of the drive here from the ten yard
Speaker 11: line of the coach, you already laid this thing twenty
Speaker 11: four to six two left, two right bigsby the running
Speaker 11: back stands to the left of Trevor Lawrence against the
Speaker 11: four man front for the Colts. Dropping is Trevor looking
Speaker 11: looking still looking fire.
Speaker 13: At the right up wide open is Brinton's range into
Speaker 13: the end zone for a touchdown.
Speaker 14: So that is the call Lawrence. The strange Frank Frangi
Speaker 14: and Jeff Lagerman of WOKV as the Jags win it
Speaker 14: in Duval thirty seven to twenty. They had that touchdown
Speaker 14: from the Jags Trevor Lawrence another solid performance. Travis etn
Speaker 14: gets in the end zone. On the other side shook.
Speaker 14: It was fifty five fifty five attempts for Gardner Minshew
Speaker 14: and it just it led to more Jags pressure. This
Speaker 14: Jags defense kind of surprised and everybody playing really well
Speaker 14: the past few weeks.
Speaker 15: You take actually, if you take it look back to
Speaker 15: the second half of last season, the Jags officially started
Speaker 15: their turnaround. A lot of it was actually keyed by
Speaker 15: their defense getting big time plays intercepting opposing quarterbacks. They
Speaker 15: did it to Dak Prescott, they did it to Lamar Jackson,
Speaker 15: and a couple of comeback wins down that stretch. This
Speaker 15: is how they played again on Sunday. This is the
Speaker 15: Jags defense. I've been waiting to see whether it was
Speaker 15: still there. You know, a year ago, people didn't really
Speaker 15: like their secondary. Then by the end of the year
Speaker 15: they were like, oh, it's pretty good. They played again
Speaker 15: like it today very much so. Rayshawn Jenkins gets a pick,
Speaker 15: Darius Williams gets a pick. There was a total of
Speaker 15: three interceptions on the defensive side of the ball and
Speaker 15: a recovered fumble, the other one being Andre Cisco was
Speaker 15: the third person to get a pick, Josh Allen Force
Speaker 15: as a fumble. Gardner Minshew had a no good, very bad,
Speaker 15: awful nightmares day in the city he used to call home.
Speaker 10: He was bad, just flat out bad.
Speaker 15: He threw fifty five passes because they were buried in
Speaker 15: a twenty five point deficit at one point. The only thing,
Speaker 15: the only concern on the Jaguar side for me is
Speaker 15: the fact that they're not quite finishing drives like you
Speaker 15: want them to. He can't be perfect, of course, but
Speaker 15: for all the takeaways they had, they could have got
Speaker 15: another trip or two into the end zone.
Speaker 10: It didn't really end up mattering.
Speaker 15: It got a little hairy in the fourth quarter when
Speaker 15: the Colts cut it to eleven, but again you're playing
Speaker 15: against Gardner Minshew, who has done enough to give the
Speaker 15: Colts a chance to win in previous appearances this year
Speaker 15: did not do that. Did the opposite of that very
Speaker 15: much lost them. This game does not help when you
Speaker 15: cannot run the ball at all. They were a very
Speaker 15: one dimensional team. They were talking about it repeatedly on
Speaker 15: the broadcast because it was just kind of sad to
Speaker 15: see that we know they have to throw not just
Speaker 15: because the deficit, but because they can't run the ball anyway.
Speaker 15: It makes me if you're trying to do not like
Speaker 15: a post mortem, but just like an almost he's an
Speaker 15: examination of where the Colts are right now. I've been
Speaker 15: very impressed by their play, but so much of it
Speaker 15: has relied on Anthony Richardson, and without him in there,
Speaker 15: they are just so less potent as an offense. They
Speaker 15: just cannot do the same things. Jane Stikeen, to his credit,
Speaker 15: is doing his best. I think he's doing a really
Speaker 15: good job of scheming things up. It's just that you
Speaker 15: are limited by a guy who was not a starter
Speaker 15: for a reason.
Speaker 14: Yeah, and it's even worse right when you look and
Speaker 14: you kind of annoint this with the news of the
Speaker 14: fact that maybe even longer for Anthony Richardson could be
Speaker 14: up to the end of the season before this phenomenal
Speaker 14: rookie quarterback who was playing so well part of an
Speaker 14: exciting offense.
Speaker 4: I mean, he's doing three sixty touchdown spikes.
Speaker 14: Everything is going spectacularly, and you can't because I know
Speaker 14: there's that ability is availability conversation. So he falls on
Speaker 14: his head. Right, everybody's got a brain. It's not you know,
Speaker 14: a brain injury is you know Tua hasn't had one
Speaker 14: this year. He had so many last year. Right, And
Speaker 14: then yeah, there's the fact that the shoulder is separated.
Speaker 14: Again it force mass acceleration like you can protect yourself.
Speaker 4: But it's so many of these things are just plain
Speaker 4: dumb luck.
Speaker 14: Like we saw Trent Williams almost get taken out on
Speaker 14: a guy sliding into him. Injuries can can be luck related,
Speaker 14: and it's you know, you say luck related, and we're
Speaker 14: thinking about a quarterback shoulder. But hopefully Anthony richards Yeah,
Speaker 14: I hate it though because Andrew. I wish Andrew was
Speaker 14: still playing. I hope Anthony Richardson is able to come back.
Speaker 14: Michael Pittman Junior got fourteen targets in this game. That's
Speaker 14: how he goes over one hundred yards because, as you mentioned, Nick,
Speaker 14: they were just throwing.
Speaker 4: The ball a whole lot and not really getting a
Speaker 4: lot out of it.
Speaker 14: And so the Jags get another win there. And speaking
Speaker 14: of backup quarterbacks, two one and four teams went out
Speaker 14: in Chicago.
Speaker 4: One actually left with their starting quarterback intact.
Speaker 5: Play action out of the shotgun.
Speaker 10: Harrison Phillip's trying to.
Speaker 6: Give him his pass back. Josh Mantela's forced the fumble.
Speaker 13: Hit down Fina Bell picked up.
Speaker 4: By Jordan Hicks.
Speaker 13: Forty forty is loose touchdown. Jordan Hicks, with.
Speaker 1: The second touchdown of his career, has run the Minnesota
Speaker 1: Vikings to an.
Speaker 3: Eighteen to six lead.
Speaker 14: That was Jordan Hicks going to the end zone, told
Speaker 14: to you by the Paul Allen of k FA N
Speaker 14: his scoop and score. Ultimately the difference. The Vikings win
Speaker 14: it nineteen to thirteen. Tyson Bagint, the undrafted free agent rookie,
Speaker 14: comes in after Justin Fields leaves the game. They say
Speaker 14: it's a dislocated thumb on his throwing hand. X rayser negative.
Speaker 14: But they got to get into the magnetic resonance machine
Speaker 14: to do some imaging there to see the how bad
Speaker 14: that injury could be. But it's a game Nick that
Speaker 14: we thought it was gonna have so many points where
Speaker 14: defenses have struggled.
Speaker 4: It's it's a final score nineteen thirteen.
Speaker 15: Yeah, you know, the Vikings are a better team than
Speaker 15: the record indicates. I'm not saying they're a great team.
Speaker 15: I'm not saying that they're the team that went thirteen
Speaker 15: and four last year. Wasn't as good as record stated,
Speaker 15: But there's been some moments where I've looked at this
Speaker 15: roster and seen them play and just thought, yea, they
Speaker 15: should be winning another game or two. I mean, obviously
Speaker 15: it starts at Kirk Cousins, who has played better than
Speaker 15: their record has indicated. But I think about guys like
Speaker 15: Josh Mittelis, He's had a great year in my opinion.
Speaker 15: Every time I watch them play, I'm like, oh, there
Speaker 15: is making another play. There's still enough playmakers on that
Speaker 15: side of the ball that they should be a little
Speaker 15: bit better than they were, and they were today losing
Speaker 15: justin fields obviously, you know, kind of sinks the potential
Speaker 15: of this game. But he wasn't really finding any success
Speaker 15: before he went out either, was a very frustrating first
Speaker 15: half of the Bears before he got hurt.
Speaker 10: Again, this is a team that came in with like
Speaker 10: one healthy running back.
Speaker 15: Okay, everybody on their depth chart, you know, one through
Speaker 15: three was hurt. You know, Khalil Herbert on IR, a
Speaker 15: number of other guys also, Roshann Johnson not available, You know,
Speaker 15: do you just keep going down the list until you
Speaker 15: get down to who had to be? Devan Deontay Foreman.
Speaker 15: It's it was a kind of a mash unit of
Speaker 15: a game. You know, we're gonna play backups, We're gonna
Speaker 15: put things together and see how it goes. You just
Speaker 15: didn't think it was gonna affect their best player on offense,
Speaker 15: which is their quarterback. Kind of a disappointing outcome for them,
Speaker 15: just because you felt like they were putting it together
Speaker 15: in the last two weeks. Did they only get one
Speaker 15: win to show for it? Yeah, and you felt like
Speaker 15: against a.
Speaker 10: Team like Minnesota they should play better than they did.
Speaker 15: But this is a weird league, and sometimes you get
Speaker 15: outcomes like this where you sit back and you think,
Speaker 15: how did that game end? Nineteen to thirteen? How did
Speaker 15: Kirk Cousins only throw for one hundred and eighty one yards?
Speaker 15: They scored nineteen points and the Alexander Madison was their
Speaker 15: leading rusher with eighteen attempts for forty four yards, Like, what's.
Speaker 10: Going on here?
Speaker 7: No?
Speaker 15: Justin Jefferson, By the way, that takes away a lot
Speaker 15: of the power on their offense too, So credits to
Speaker 15: the Vikings. Good win for you. Fun fact, though today,
Speaker 15: I bet you we wouldn't have guessed this. This is
Speaker 15: not an our Bingo card Entering the season. Tyson Badgin
Speaker 15: and PJ Walker, who were both on the Bears preseason roster,
Speaker 15: both played in a game today.
Speaker 10: Think about that.
Speaker 4: It's a quarterback factory in Chicago.
Speaker 14: As Nate Peterman leaves the team and he's ultimately gonna
Speaker 14: be back, We're gonna have to wait and see just
Speaker 14: how lengthy this injury to Justin Fields is. Again, did
Speaker 14: the thumb on your throwing hand? Definitely gonna be crucial.
Speaker 14: It's the only thing that separates us from primates is
Speaker 14: having that opposable thumb, and so it's it's gonna be tough.
Speaker 14: And I don't even know if that's ultimately true. It's
Speaker 14: it's been a long Sunday.
Speaker 10: Who knows you're better than me? I didn't do well
Speaker 10: in science.
Speaker 14: The Vikings maybe Bears, Yeah, separates us from Bears, not
Speaker 14: the Primates. The Primates got all the digits they can do.
Speaker 14: The Vikings get that when they are now.
Speaker 4: Two and four on the season.
Speaker 14: As we leave there and get to our next matchup,
Speaker 14: the Washington Commanders taking a trip to Atlanta.
Speaker 16: Thirty one seconds to go fourth quarter here twenty four
Speaker 16: to sixteen, third and one play for the Falcons. They
Speaker 16: just burn their final time out. They're at the thirty
Speaker 16: four empty backfield for Ritter gets the step, Washington breaks
Speaker 16: four steps up, throws.
Speaker 8: All I picked up like Jayda gate as unbelievable.
Speaker 4: Jayda Jamas jumped around.
Speaker 8: Third pick of the half, and Washington is gonna win
Speaker 8: in Atlanta.
Speaker 14: Okay, so those of you who did not see the game,
Speaker 14: this was the Arthur Smith reaction absolute festival three second
Speaker 14: half turnovers interceptions by Desmond Ridder that was called by
Speaker 14: Bram Weinstein and London Fletcher on wb IG as the
Speaker 14: Commanders get a twenty four to sixteen win. It's twenty
Speaker 14: four to sixteen Nick. The Falcons are on the Commander's
Speaker 14: side of the field. They turned the ball over three
Speaker 14: consecutive times, one right before the two minute warning. Once
Speaker 14: right there where it's the rookie phenom Bjon Robinson matched
Speaker 14: up against Jame and Davis. He doesn't flatten too the
Speaker 14: line of scrimmage. He lets the linebacker cut underneath him.
Speaker 14: Turnover fest towards the end as the Falcons fall at home.
Speaker 15: There's a couple of ways you can look at this,
Speaker 15: because you could say, well, Desien Riddard back to how
Speaker 15: he was in London, you know, had one good game
Speaker 15: in between. Or you could say that Washington's defense figured
Speaker 15: it out again Jami and Davis. What was his comp
Speaker 15: coming out of college? Shack Leonard? Who did he play
Speaker 15: like on that play there? Shaq Leonard. The shout out
Speaker 15: to Daniel Jeremiah for that comp. That was his guy
Speaker 15: way back during that draft process. But the thing is
Speaker 15: is the Falcons did not well at home for I
Speaker 15: think the first time this year. Doesn't Ritter did not
Speaker 15: play well at home for the first time this year.
Speaker 10: Three picks. It's about as up and down as it gets.
Speaker 15: The one thing you could bank on was when he
Speaker 15: was at home, he usually played better than he did
Speaker 15: on the road. And then, of course we find out
Speaker 15: that that's no longer the case. It's no longer the.
Speaker 10: Rule with this team.
Speaker 15: It's an interesting kind of examination of this game. If
Speaker 15: you look back at this and think, well, they were
Speaker 15: up twenty four to ten, you know, early third, they're
Speaker 15: up twenty four to sixteen to fourth, and then nobody
Speaker 15: on either side scores, yet.
Speaker 10: Sam Hall had three touchdown passes on the day. What
Speaker 10: happened here?
Speaker 15: Well, these are two teams that I think are similarly mystifying,
Speaker 15: because Patrick, the Falcons probably shouldn't be as good as
Speaker 15: three and three indicates, and the Commanders could probably be
Speaker 15: a win better than their record indicates. Right now, it
Speaker 15: felt like two similar teams but in very much different
Speaker 15: respects doing qb in next All year, I've had Sam
Speaker 15: Howell way ahead of Dozen Ridder. I've wanted to move
Speaker 15: Ritter up, but every time I think he's about to
Speaker 15: take that step, he takes two steps back. So the
Speaker 15: quarterback comparison is not even, but just kind of two
Speaker 15: teams that were still trying to figure out who they are.
Speaker 15: Ron rivera defensive mastermind right of the past. They gave
Speaker 15: up a ton of points to the Bears like two
Speaker 15: weeks ago. There's just no consistency for me either team
Speaker 15: right now. So it's perfect that this is how it ended.
Speaker 14: It's so confusing that because we have I have to
Speaker 14: pick these games every single week, and it's we come
Speaker 14: in and it's like, what do I do with the
Speaker 14: Atlanta Falcons? Well, yeah, and if you told me coming
Speaker 14: into this game, hey Patrick, considering the way Desmond Runner
Speaker 14: threw the ball thirty seven times. They get that win
Speaker 14: against the Houston Texans, and it's like, Okay, it'll take
Speaker 14: three Desmond Ritter interceptions on three consecutive second half drives
Speaker 14: on the commander's side of the field. I'd be like, Okay,
Speaker 14: he's not going to play like that again. No, he did,
Speaker 14: and that's what's so confusing. Kyle Pitts scores. Drake London's
Speaker 14: getting nine catches at one hundred and twenty five yards
Speaker 14: and it's like, yeah, Falcons, but.
Speaker 4: They still find a way to lose. It's very confusing.
Speaker 14: Brian Robinson gets thirty one yards on the ground, He
Speaker 14: has a touchdown from Sam Howell where you know, he
Speaker 14: shows that he can be a powerful, explosive runner. It
Speaker 14: kind of seems like the Antonio Gibson days are over.
Speaker 14: Uh he only got three.
Speaker 10: It seemed like that for like a year though.
Speaker 4: But anybody who was.
Speaker 14: Holding out that last hope, right that, like me with
Speaker 14: Jalen Rager, Uh, it's it's finally it's finally over, and
Speaker 14: we're gonna continue to be confused by these teams. Until
Speaker 14: things keep going. And we've had one team that has
Speaker 14: not had the success in prime time. So let's go
Speaker 14: to Orchard Park for some Sunday night football. Giants and Bills.
Speaker 3: Be poetic justice if they scored to this head zone.
Speaker 1: On time play.
Speaker 3: Giants down five first and go off the warrant.
Speaker 6: Taylor over center takes the stat back love to back
Speaker 6: the hands of Waller incomplete, and.
Speaker 14: That is how the ball game ended. In New York
Speaker 14: and Upstate New York. The Bill survive and producer Eric
Speaker 14: Can let out a sigh of relief as his Buffalo
Speaker 14: Bills hold off Tyrod Taylor and the New York Giants
Speaker 14: at the goal line. Final score fourteen to nine in
Speaker 14: a game where Saquon Barkley finally got going to the
Speaker 14: second half three point nine yards per carry, but ultimately
Speaker 14: Nick Schuk Josh Allen had an opportunity to make the play,
Speaker 14: and he made the play to a man who has
Speaker 14: not been targeted all season on an absolute laser beam
Speaker 14: to Quintin Morris.
Speaker 15: We talked about anti mac bias earlier in the show. Well,
Speaker 15: here's another Max standout from Bowling Green. Quinton Morris makes
Speaker 15: the biggest catch of the game in the tightest window possible,
Speaker 15: Josh Allen getting outside of the pocket, getting busy with it,
Speaker 15: you know, getting a little bit adventurous, if you will,
Speaker 15: outside of the pocket, extending plays as he did for
Speaker 15: much of the second half.
Speaker 10: And that time from the side angle, it looked like
Speaker 10: he was throwing a.
Speaker 15: Pick, and then we saw the skycam the end zone
Speaker 15: angle and realized, no, it was just a very narrow window.
Speaker 15: It capped off a couple of long drives for the Bills.
Speaker 15: You know, we talked earlier in the show about how
Speaker 15: things were difficult for the Patriots.
Speaker 10: Everything was hard for them offensively.
Speaker 15: Everything was hard for the Bills offensively on Sunday Night,
Speaker 15: including their touchdown drives. But methodical was the way to
Speaker 15: go for them because it's what produced points for them
Speaker 15: and allowed them to take the lead in the game
Speaker 15: that we thought we'd probably see a lot of points
Speaker 15: out of the Bills, and we just didn't. You know,
Speaker 15: Josh Allen didn't look like himself in the first half.
Speaker 15: But luckily for them, they figured it out, they found it,
Speaker 15: and they were able to hang on for a narrow
Speaker 15: victory over a team that probably most everybody thought they
Speaker 15: would blow out.
Speaker 14: Yeah, and huge credit kudos goes to Wink Martindale squad.
Speaker 14: The defense really gave Buffalo all kinds of problems throughout
Speaker 14: the game. The lingering memory that so many people are
Speaker 14: going to have is the last forty seconds of the
Speaker 14: first half where Buffalo is they get a stop, there's
Speaker 14: a first down, and then inexplicably like twelve second run
Speaker 14: off the clock before Brian day Ball calls what would
Speaker 14: be the final timeout, and then they get down to
Speaker 14: the one yard line and Tyrod checks to a run play.
Speaker 14: They don't have enough time to get the ball snapped.
Speaker 14: After Sakuon gets tackled at the one, Brian Dabole is livid,
Speaker 14: so livid in fact, he can't do the halftime if
Speaker 14: the post he's still too man and ultimately you know
Speaker 14: the points they would have won the field goals, but
Speaker 14: you can't retroactively apply it that it's going to be
Speaker 14: a different game. There's different scenarios, but just a crucial
Speaker 14: time management mistake at the end of the first half
Speaker 14: that they almost got a chance to erase at the.
Speaker 4: End, but no play.
Speaker 15: Yeah, I mean, Giants fans are gonna be in my
Speaker 15: mention about this for the whole week about how well
Speaker 15: you know if they would have put three on the board,
Speaker 15: they would put three on the board here and they
Speaker 15: would have done this, and that they would have won
Speaker 15: the game.
Speaker 10: That the same could go for the Bills.
Speaker 15: Tyler Bass missed two field goals after coming in perfect
Speaker 15: on the year, so you know, it goes both ways.
Speaker 5: And I was.
Speaker 15: Actually, you know, you could look at the whole goal
Speaker 15: line situation one of two ways. I think because you
Speaker 15: mentioned it. He let a lot of time run off
Speaker 15: before calling that last time out. It's almost like he
Speaker 15: was waiting for it to land in a perfect thirty
Speaker 15: seconds left in the clock, which I found strange in
Speaker 15: that moment, and then came back to bite them on
Speaker 15: the goal line, because if you're gonna call two players,
Speaker 15: you're gonna have the ability to check to a run.
Speaker 15: You gotta do it with enough time otherwise you don't
Speaker 15: make that a possibility.
Speaker 10: And yet they did.
Speaker 15: Tyrod did it, and then of course his coach is
Speaker 15: mad at him because it didn't work. If it does work,
Speaker 15: then they're praising him. So you know, that's the perils
Speaker 15: of playing quarterback.
Speaker 10: In the NFL. I suppose in that situation, But it.
Speaker 15: Would have been fitting. You're right, it would have been
Speaker 15: fitting if they would have scored in that exact same
Speaker 15: situation there and untimed down to end the game. Could
Speaker 15: have been PI on Taron Johnson, wasn't, but could have
Speaker 15: been PI got PI. The play before that was very
Speaker 15: clearly PI on Terrell Bernard. But you're not gonna get
Speaker 15: that flag twice. I think in that's an arrow. They're gonna,
Speaker 15: you know, keep those in their pockets. So good on
Speaker 15: the officials. I guess they're a thrilling game that we
Speaker 15: didn't think would be thrilling. Kind of an ugly game,
Speaker 15: but again, fun games don't always have to be the prettiest.
Speaker 14: Yeah, And ultimately the lingering memory besides the the goal line,
Speaker 14: and you have to wonder if Brian Dable had not
Speaker 14: lost his mind after that play, if Tyrod comes into
Speaker 14: that final play feeling a little more empowered to change things,
Speaker 14: then maybe he could have gotten into a different situation.
Speaker 14: Either way, Taron Johnson had an entire fist full of
Speaker 14: darrin Paula's jersey. It was very clear on the replay,
Speaker 14: but no flag, no call. The Giants lose yet again
Speaker 14: on primetime. We get a little bit of a prime
Speaker 14: time reprieve from the Giants, but a feisty performance from them.
Speaker 15: Nonetheless, Yeah, you know, and I think this is going
Speaker 15: to opening It's going to open an interesting can of worms,
Speaker 15: I think regarding the Giants. And this of course is
Speaker 15: directly tied to whether Danial Jones can play in the
Speaker 15: next week. But because of the way they looked on
Speaker 15: offense tonight. Now granted they only put nine points on
Speaker 15: the board, but you have to admit they looked better
Speaker 15: on offense in this game than they have in the
Speaker 15: last three weeks. And that is undoubtedly going to come
Speaker 15: back to the quarterback. There are some people who are
Speaker 15: going to say Tyrod's your better option. That's obviously not
Speaker 15: going to be what they do because Daniel Jones is
Speaker 15: making forty million dollars a year. But it is an
Speaker 15: interesting comparison. It's not apples to apples necessarily, but it
Speaker 15: is an interesting way to look at it and think,
Speaker 15: you know, is Daniel Jones like really capable of doing
Speaker 15: it with this team? Now there's were some changes in
Speaker 15: important factors around him. Right Justin Pugh comes from, as
Speaker 15: he said, straight off the couch in the intros to
Speaker 15: Sunday Night Football, comes in and plays really well on
Speaker 15: the offensive line and kind of helped them shore things
Speaker 15: up a little bit. As you said, they were able
Speaker 15: to get the running game going in the second half.
Speaker 15: It was funny they showed a stat I think sae
Speaker 15: Quon Barkley had eighteen carries for thirty two yards at
Speaker 15: one point.
Speaker 10: I ended up tripling that total by the time the
Speaker 10: night was over.
Speaker 15: I have to go back to Brian Dable in the
Speaker 15: way that he kind of operated, you know, this offense
Speaker 15: and key moments because they were gashing them on the
Speaker 15: ground late in the game, and then all of a sudden,
Speaker 15: when they're on the doorstep of the end zone once again,
Speaker 15: he goes to like three straight passes and they end
Speaker 15: up settling for a field goal. That touchdown could be
Speaker 15: a difference in such a tight game. I think they're
Speaker 15: going to look back on this and number one, they're
Speaker 15: going to look at that last sequence right before half
Speaker 15: and want to change that. But there's some other areas
Speaker 15: where they're going to look back and say, you know,
Speaker 15: I wish I would have coached better here. I wish
Speaker 15: we would have done better here, because there were some
Speaker 15: opportunities left out on the field.
Speaker 10: And they're one in five.
Speaker 15: Now, I hate to say it, because I don't think
Speaker 15: they're a very good team, but I do think that
Speaker 15: they're better than one in five, and it's kind of
Speaker 15: a bummer for them.
Speaker 14: Yeah, a struggle for them. Up next for the Buffalo Bills,
Speaker 14: they visit the New England Patriots. And as for the Giants,
Speaker 14: a little reprieve, a little time off to think about
Speaker 14: what all went wrong, and maybe Brian Dave Bulgan calm down,
Speaker 14: have some herbal tea, do an interview, finally talk as
Speaker 14: he's at postgame right now. We'll see how incensed coaches
Speaker 14: at the first half scenario. The Giants fall, as Nick
Speaker 14: Schuk said, and that wraps up a Sunday, a fun upset,
Speaker 14: full Sunday that didn't finish with the upset as the
Speaker 14: Giants could not knock off the Buffalo Bills, but the
Speaker 14: Browns knock off the forty nine ers, the Jets knock
Speaker 14: off the Eagles. Topsy turf. Every fan base thinks that
Speaker 14: their team is horrible. They're gonna have to shell the
Speaker 14: entire roster and start over. You're lingering thoughts on this
Speaker 14: week six Sunday.
Speaker 10: Nick a lot of upsets.
Speaker 15: As somebody who picked the Eagles to beat the Jets
Speaker 15: and the Niners to beat the Browns, I was pleasantly surprised.
Speaker 15: It goes back to the one thing I came down
Speaker 15: to today after the Jets beat the Eagles was, God,
Speaker 15: we got to be really close to finishing off that
Speaker 15: parody circle for the year. I'm pretty sure we're pretty close. Like, somebody,
Speaker 15: get the graphics going, start tracking records, let's get that
Speaker 15: thing done.
Speaker 10: Week six would be one of the earliest.
Speaker 15: Points in the year. But that's the NFL, man, It's
Speaker 15: the beauty of it. It's manufactured parody. It's what keeps
Speaker 15: people coming back, and it's what makes days like today
Speaker 15: as exciting as ever.
Speaker 14: Yeah, the transit of property. And again, if college football
Speaker 14: fans are new to the NFL and they used to
Speaker 14: college football discourse, the NFC West is terrible. They've got
Speaker 14: losses to another division and when you do the math,
Speaker 14: it's just division is two weak. You know the forty
Speaker 14: nine ers are bad?
Speaker 15: Now, well, yeah, one of the BCS points looking like
Speaker 15: for the forty nine ers it's two thousand and four. Again,
Speaker 15: I need to figure out whether Jason why it's worthy
Speaker 15: of the heisman or.
Speaker 14: Not Jason White, the answer is no, he was never worthy.
Speaker 10: He still isn't.
Speaker 14: We're humbled that you guys think we're worthy enough to
Speaker 14: listen to us on this flagship program. I want to
Speaker 14: want to shout out, of course, all the guys, we're
Speaker 14: finishing things up. I'm a home U but no small
Speaker 14: thought to be able to uh, at least have one
Speaker 14: part of hosting. One part of the show from the
Speaker 14: Chris Westling podcast studio and.
Speaker 10: The other part from where your Scott wreck is in
Speaker 10: your garage.
Speaker 4: You know we're in the garage.
Speaker 15: Look, I always get the heat for lifting weights, but
Speaker 15: let's direct some of this to you right now.
Speaker 10: Because you literally have one right behind you. You know,
Speaker 10: we'll just get that in there for you.
Speaker 4: It is Oh we got that?
Speaker 1: Hear that?
Speaker 14: Yeah, I don't know that was made for me. That
Speaker 14: guy's setting off all kinds of lunk alarms. No, no,
Speaker 14: these are these are these are bad reps.
Speaker 4: No what what what? Yeah?
Speaker 14: They got to get you a better weightless thing drop
Speaker 14: than that. We're gonna have to actually have you pounded
Speaker 14: some some more. But the work's not done for Nick
Speaker 14: Shook because he's right back doing the Monday night episode
Speaker 14: of the Around the NFL Podcast, Jane Slater stepping in.
Speaker 4: Little Cowboys Chargers fired up for that one. It's the
Speaker 4: Kellen Moore Mike McCarthy revenge game. Nick, you're feeling good
Speaker 4: about that?
Speaker 15: Yeah, I'm very excited about that because so far the
Speaker 15: Mike McCarthy play calling experience has been very up and
Speaker 15: down for the Cowboys, and meanwhile, the Charges have been steady.
Speaker 15: They haven't been super explosive, but they've been steady. I
Speaker 15: love a little animosity. I can't wait for their midfield handshake,
Speaker 15: even though Kellen Moore is not a head coach and
Speaker 15: may not even be on the field and will be
Speaker 15: in the booth instead.
Speaker 10: Stay tuned find out.
Speaker 14: I can't wait because again, there can be only one
Speaker 14: good team every team. At the end of this year,
Speaker 14: somebody's gonna hoist the trophy and everybody else is bad
Speaker 14: and done a horrible, terrible That's just the way things go.
Speaker 14: For Nick Shook, I'm Patrick Claybon. Thanks for listening in
Speaker 14: to a globe spanning flagship episode of the Around the
Speaker 14: NFL Podcast. Nick and Jane Slater will see you guys
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