1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,960 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening to The Herd podcast. Be sure to 2 00:00:03,040 --> 00:00:05,720 Speaker 1: catch us live every weekday on Fox Sports Radio in 3 00:00:05,880 --> 00:00:09,600 Speaker 1: noon to three Eastern nine am to noon Pacific. Find 4 00:00:09,600 --> 00:00:12,119 Speaker 1: your local station for The Herd at Fox Sports Radio 5 00:00:12,200 --> 00:00:14,880 Speaker 1: dot com, or stream us live every day on the 6 00:00:14,920 --> 00:00:18,440 Speaker 1: iHeartRadio app by searching Fox Sports Radio or FSR. 7 00:00:21,920 --> 00:00:24,000 Speaker 2: You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. 8 00:00:26,760 --> 00:00:33,159 Speaker 1: Here we go. Lions and the Cowboys tonight. I like Dallas. 9 00:00:33,200 --> 00:00:36,239 Speaker 1: I like their direction. Offense is on fire, playing with 10 00:00:36,280 --> 00:00:41,280 Speaker 1: a ton of confidence. I think one of the things 11 00:00:41,360 --> 00:00:46,120 Speaker 1: when you look around the NFL right now is that 12 00:00:46,440 --> 00:00:51,760 Speaker 1: the best quarterback doesn't necessarily lead the division. The best 13 00:00:51,800 --> 00:00:55,800 Speaker 1: coach often leads the division. Mike Vrabel is the best coach. 14 00:00:56,040 --> 00:00:58,400 Speaker 1: Drake may is not as good as Josh Allen, He's good, 15 00:01:00,400 --> 00:01:05,280 Speaker 1: leads his division. Ben Johnson leads his division. Sean McVay 16 00:01:05,480 --> 00:01:11,399 Speaker 1: leads his division. I mean, and we've said before, quarterback 17 00:01:11,560 --> 00:01:15,560 Speaker 1: is more valuable than coaching. That's always been understood. But 18 00:01:15,680 --> 00:01:18,280 Speaker 1: I think in Detroit you have a situation where you 19 00:01:18,520 --> 00:01:22,880 Speaker 1: lost a brilliant coordinator, Ben Johnson, who's become a so 20 00:01:23,040 --> 00:01:26,319 Speaker 1: far a brilliant head coach, and I think all the 21 00:01:26,400 --> 00:01:29,600 Speaker 1: problems stemmed. It is nothing against the person that replaced him. 22 00:01:29,600 --> 00:01:33,120 Speaker 1: Detroit still scores points, but not as many, and they're 23 00:01:33,160 --> 00:01:36,039 Speaker 1: not as powerful with many of the same players. So 24 00:01:36,120 --> 00:01:39,679 Speaker 1: they were great in fact, defined Detroit was on third 25 00:01:39,800 --> 00:01:43,399 Speaker 1: down and fourth down. Now they're bad on third down 26 00:01:43,880 --> 00:01:47,360 Speaker 1: with a lot of the same players. So Dan Campbell 27 00:01:47,400 --> 00:01:49,280 Speaker 1: on what he's seeing with the Cowboys right now. 28 00:01:50,440 --> 00:01:52,760 Speaker 3: They're hot right now, they're playing really good football. They 29 00:01:52,800 --> 00:01:56,440 Speaker 3: got a lot of confidence. They're a rugged team. You know, 30 00:01:57,880 --> 00:01:59,640 Speaker 3: they are built off the old line D line, but 31 00:01:59,640 --> 00:02:02,880 Speaker 3: they got to explosiveness on the perimeter and Dak's playing 32 00:02:02,880 --> 00:02:06,800 Speaker 3: at a high level man. So look, we know we 33 00:02:06,880 --> 00:02:09,720 Speaker 3: got our hands full, but we're up to the challenge. 34 00:02:10,440 --> 00:02:13,799 Speaker 1: The scary thing about Dallas is they're two guards. Over 35 00:02:13,840 --> 00:02:16,480 Speaker 1: the last several years, they've taken high draft picks with 36 00:02:16,680 --> 00:02:22,280 Speaker 1: interior linemen. They're both outstanding. So their interior O line there. 37 00:02:22,360 --> 00:02:25,680 Speaker 1: They got a little problem at right tackle, but that 38 00:02:25,800 --> 00:02:28,760 Speaker 1: Dallas O line. Remember that that's what carried Dak early 39 00:02:28,800 --> 00:02:32,720 Speaker 1: in his career. Once again, Dak ten years later. They 40 00:02:33,000 --> 00:02:35,000 Speaker 1: this old line has a chance to be really something. 41 00:02:35,040 --> 00:02:37,960 Speaker 1: They're running the football now with conviction. With that Greg 42 00:02:38,000 --> 00:02:41,880 Speaker 1: Cosel forty six years, NFL Films always joined us on Thursday. 43 00:02:42,440 --> 00:02:45,480 Speaker 1: What's been more impressive to you about the Cowboys? The offense, 44 00:02:45,560 --> 00:02:47,239 Speaker 1: Greg or the defense? 45 00:02:48,919 --> 00:02:51,720 Speaker 4: I would think the defense, Colin, because look, as you 46 00:02:51,840 --> 00:02:55,000 Speaker 4: know what, the first five six weeks, people are laughing 47 00:02:55,040 --> 00:02:58,040 Speaker 4: at their defense, and now you know they made those trades. 48 00:02:58,080 --> 00:03:01,000 Speaker 4: Obviously they got Kenny Clark before that season, but the 49 00:03:01,040 --> 00:03:04,800 Speaker 4: ind season trades they have made been really impressive. And 50 00:03:04,840 --> 00:03:08,320 Speaker 4: the trio of d tackles is as good a trio as. 51 00:03:08,160 --> 00:03:09,040 Speaker 5: Any in the league. 52 00:03:09,160 --> 00:03:12,919 Speaker 4: And as you probably noticed, three weeks ago, the rookie 53 00:03:13,000 --> 00:03:16,520 Speaker 4: corner Revel from East Carolina started to play, and then 54 00:03:16,600 --> 00:03:20,119 Speaker 4: this past week on Thanksgiving, he played pretty much every snap. 55 00:03:20,480 --> 00:03:21,120 Speaker 5: And now what. 56 00:03:21,040 --> 00:03:23,880 Speaker 4: They've done, and I think you'll continue to see this tonight, 57 00:03:24,400 --> 00:03:28,240 Speaker 4: is now they've played Revel and Bridges, who's got a 58 00:03:28,240 --> 00:03:31,480 Speaker 4: lot of length on the outside, and they've moved Bland 59 00:03:31,560 --> 00:03:34,520 Speaker 4: to the slot where he's better. Bland is not a 60 00:03:34,639 --> 00:03:37,480 Speaker 4: very good outside corner, so now they moved him into 61 00:03:37,520 --> 00:03:39,600 Speaker 4: the slot where he first really made his heay in 62 00:03:39,640 --> 00:03:42,080 Speaker 4: the league. And they're much better on the back end. 63 00:03:42,360 --> 00:03:44,760 Speaker 4: But with what they've done up front, the returner of 64 00:03:44,840 --> 00:03:49,920 Speaker 4: overshown the trading for Logan Wilson. Suddenly this defense, well 65 00:03:50,000 --> 00:03:52,080 Speaker 4: it's not top five in the league, but it's a 66 00:03:52,120 --> 00:03:54,560 Speaker 4: good enough defense to win games. 67 00:03:55,040 --> 00:03:57,640 Speaker 1: All right. So a game that's a little under the radar, 68 00:03:57,760 --> 00:04:01,120 Speaker 1: although Josh Allen games are never truly under the radar. 69 00:04:01,440 --> 00:04:04,640 Speaker 1: Bills play the Bengals and here's Joe Burrow. Yeah, and 70 00:04:05,080 --> 00:04:08,200 Speaker 1: my take is Cincinnati and Burrow are going to be 71 00:04:08,280 --> 00:04:11,600 Speaker 1: the number one spoiler in the end, and it may 72 00:04:11,600 --> 00:04:13,960 Speaker 1: not make the playoffs. But what did you see with 73 00:04:14,040 --> 00:04:16,680 Speaker 1: Burrow's first start? Because the numbers tell me he was 74 00:04:16,720 --> 00:04:17,200 Speaker 1: pretty good. 75 00:04:18,520 --> 00:04:20,080 Speaker 5: Yeah, Burrow's always been a guy. 76 00:04:20,120 --> 00:04:23,080 Speaker 4: First of all, he's so good pre snap and then 77 00:04:23,120 --> 00:04:26,520 Speaker 4: getting into the post snap operation phase. He's just one 78 00:04:26,520 --> 00:04:28,840 Speaker 4: of those guys. He's like a computer chip. He just 79 00:04:28,880 --> 00:04:32,080 Speaker 4: sees it. It's innate, it's in his DNA. And he's always 80 00:04:32,080 --> 00:04:34,359 Speaker 4: been a guy. Now, granted, he's got good receivers, we 81 00:04:34,480 --> 00:04:37,960 Speaker 4: understand that, but he's always been a guy that understands 82 00:04:38,000 --> 00:04:40,839 Speaker 4: the NFL that if it's one on one, you've got 83 00:04:40,839 --> 00:04:44,000 Speaker 4: to throw the football, and that if that doesn't work, 84 00:04:44,040 --> 00:04:45,960 Speaker 4: that means you don't need another quarterback. It means you 85 00:04:46,040 --> 00:04:49,120 Speaker 4: need new receivers. But he's got receivers, so he's going 86 00:04:49,160 --> 00:04:51,440 Speaker 4: to push it down the field. They'll be one on 87 00:04:51,440 --> 00:04:54,039 Speaker 4: ones against these Bills corners and we'll see. 88 00:04:53,880 --> 00:04:56,080 Speaker 5: How that plays out. On the other side. 89 00:04:56,400 --> 00:04:59,200 Speaker 4: The Bills, to me, are one of the most fascinating 90 00:04:59,360 --> 00:05:02,159 Speaker 4: studies on offense in this league. They've got the most 91 00:05:02,200 --> 00:05:05,479 Speaker 4: physically gifted quarterback in the league. I don't know the 92 00:05:05,560 --> 00:05:07,920 Speaker 4: reason why they choose not to throw the ball. Maybe 93 00:05:07,960 --> 00:05:11,160 Speaker 4: they don't like their receivers, but with the most physically 94 00:05:11,160 --> 00:05:13,760 Speaker 4: gifted quarterback in the league, they are not a passing team. 95 00:05:14,080 --> 00:05:15,719 Speaker 5: They don't throw the ball down the field. 96 00:05:15,839 --> 00:05:18,000 Speaker 4: In fact, they don't want to throw it a whole 97 00:05:18,000 --> 00:05:20,960 Speaker 4: lot in terms of volume unless they're forced to. But 98 00:05:21,000 --> 00:05:24,080 Speaker 4: that's not the way they choose to play. And I 99 00:05:24,160 --> 00:05:26,680 Speaker 4: give Aaron Kromer. They're all line coach who's been doing this. 100 00:05:26,839 --> 00:05:27,760 Speaker 4: You probably know Aaron. 101 00:05:27,760 --> 00:05:28,560 Speaker 5: He's been doing this. 102 00:05:28,480 --> 00:05:32,159 Speaker 4: For twenty twenty five years. Absolutely one of the best 103 00:05:32,160 --> 00:05:35,000 Speaker 4: in the league. Their run game is so good, it's 104 00:05:35,040 --> 00:05:39,200 Speaker 4: so multiple's specific to the opponent. I mean, last week 105 00:05:39,720 --> 00:05:42,679 Speaker 4: against the Steelers, Cook and Davis had. 106 00:05:42,560 --> 00:05:44,280 Speaker 5: Forty one runs combined. 107 00:05:44,440 --> 00:05:48,000 Speaker 4: Colin they did not pull an offensive lineman one time, 108 00:05:48,360 --> 00:05:49,559 Speaker 4: so it was all zone. 109 00:05:49,640 --> 00:05:51,039 Speaker 5: It was all zone based. 110 00:05:51,320 --> 00:05:53,840 Speaker 4: Yet we've seen them have that run game where they 111 00:05:53,839 --> 00:05:56,359 Speaker 4: have the counter run game with Hawes and Gilliam the 112 00:05:56,400 --> 00:05:59,400 Speaker 4: fullback and been successful through the year doing that. So 113 00:05:59,440 --> 00:06:02,640 Speaker 4: they are very specific to the opponent in how they 114 00:06:02,680 --> 00:06:04,400 Speaker 4: feel is the best way to attack. 115 00:06:04,600 --> 00:06:06,880 Speaker 5: But this is a running football team and. 116 00:06:06,839 --> 00:06:09,320 Speaker 4: They only really rely on Josh Allen when they think 117 00:06:09,360 --> 00:06:10,040 Speaker 4: they need to. 118 00:06:10,920 --> 00:06:13,920 Speaker 1: Okay, another game. It's basically the season for the Kansas 119 00:06:13,920 --> 00:06:17,400 Speaker 1: City Chiefs the Houston Texans. Let's start with Houston. So 120 00:06:17,480 --> 00:06:21,359 Speaker 1: I prefer offensive coaches, But if you're gonna go defense, 121 00:06:21,640 --> 00:06:25,480 Speaker 1: go young Mike McDonald to me, go Ryans. I remember 122 00:06:25,520 --> 00:06:28,599 Speaker 1: before Demiko got the job, people in the Niners organization 123 00:06:28,680 --> 00:06:31,240 Speaker 1: were saying, We're never going to keep this guy. He's 124 00:06:31,320 --> 00:06:34,640 Speaker 1: just too stright, he's too bright. Well, so I watch 125 00:06:34,680 --> 00:06:37,400 Speaker 1: Houston's defense. It's the best in the league. Is it schemes? 126 00:06:37,480 --> 00:06:40,880 Speaker 1: Is it coaching? Because they make every quarterback struggle It's 127 00:06:40,880 --> 00:06:43,120 Speaker 1: like they're playing with an extra man. What is it 128 00:06:43,160 --> 00:06:45,719 Speaker 1: about their defense? Is it just better personnel or coaching? 129 00:06:46,760 --> 00:06:49,440 Speaker 4: It's both because obviously, if you look at the personnel, 130 00:06:49,480 --> 00:06:52,040 Speaker 4: they're really good at all three levels, and based on 131 00:06:52,080 --> 00:06:54,480 Speaker 4: my film study, I would argue that Kaln Bullock is 132 00:06:54,520 --> 00:06:57,039 Speaker 4: the best post safety in the league this season in 133 00:06:57,120 --> 00:06:58,160 Speaker 4: his second year in the league. 134 00:06:58,160 --> 00:06:58,760 Speaker 5: Out of USC. 135 00:06:59,080 --> 00:07:01,480 Speaker 4: You're probably very famil them being you know, from USC, 136 00:07:02,120 --> 00:07:07,040 Speaker 4: really good football player, really good long, smart, good, good athlete. 137 00:07:07,600 --> 00:07:10,400 Speaker 4: But obviously we know about Hunter and Anderson. They're really 138 00:07:10,440 --> 00:07:13,160 Speaker 4: good inside too. No one talks about what they put 139 00:07:13,200 --> 00:07:16,960 Speaker 4: out there on the inside at the detackle position. But 140 00:07:17,200 --> 00:07:20,840 Speaker 4: the one thing about Tamiko Ryans is he's very technical, 141 00:07:20,920 --> 00:07:25,040 Speaker 4: so in specific situations he will bring pressure and they're 142 00:07:25,120 --> 00:07:27,600 Speaker 4: very good with their concepts. Now, based on the rest 143 00:07:27,640 --> 00:07:31,000 Speaker 4: of the league, they're not a high percentage pressure defense, 144 00:07:31,280 --> 00:07:34,880 Speaker 4: but they're very schematic and tactical with when when they 145 00:07:34,920 --> 00:07:37,640 Speaker 4: bring pressure, and they're very very good at it. And 146 00:07:37,680 --> 00:07:40,560 Speaker 4: they stunt, and they've got guys who can stunt, really 147 00:07:40,600 --> 00:07:43,960 Speaker 4: good athletes. So this is a really difficult defense to 148 00:07:43,960 --> 00:07:46,480 Speaker 4: play against. You and I are talking on a Thursday. 149 00:07:46,640 --> 00:07:48,760 Speaker 4: I have no idea what the status is. We know 150 00:07:48,880 --> 00:07:51,720 Speaker 4: Simmons the left tackle went on IR. I don't know 151 00:07:51,760 --> 00:07:54,400 Speaker 4: if Tray Smith the guard's going to play. We don't 152 00:07:54,400 --> 00:07:56,840 Speaker 4: know if Joan Taylor's going to play. So imagine if 153 00:07:56,880 --> 00:07:59,680 Speaker 4: you have all these backups on your offensive line and 154 00:07:59,720 --> 00:08:01,880 Speaker 4: now you've got that defensive line that you've got to 155 00:08:01,880 --> 00:08:02,520 Speaker 4: play against. 156 00:08:02,880 --> 00:08:05,440 Speaker 1: By the way, what is the identity of the Chiefs 157 00:08:05,440 --> 00:08:07,000 Speaker 1: offense today? What is it? 158 00:08:08,840 --> 00:08:11,520 Speaker 4: I would say it's Patrick Mahomes being special. And I'm 159 00:08:11,520 --> 00:08:14,200 Speaker 4: not trying to be sarcastic. I think the more you 160 00:08:14,280 --> 00:08:16,960 Speaker 4: watch and I watch, I think I've watched every Mahomes 161 00:08:16,960 --> 00:08:19,240 Speaker 4: game in the league since he's been in the league. 162 00:08:19,320 --> 00:08:22,200 Speaker 5: It almost seems to me watching his tape Colin. 163 00:08:22,280 --> 00:08:26,760 Speaker 4: That more and more he's become an improvisational stud as 164 00:08:26,840 --> 00:08:30,600 Speaker 4: opposed to a pocket technician. Now that's not to say 165 00:08:30,640 --> 00:08:33,240 Speaker 4: he's not capable of playing from the pocket, of course 166 00:08:33,280 --> 00:08:33,520 Speaker 4: he is. 167 00:08:33,559 --> 00:08:34,800 Speaker 5: He's extremely gifted. 168 00:08:35,000 --> 00:08:37,640 Speaker 4: But it seems the more I watch, the more it's 169 00:08:37,679 --> 00:08:40,480 Speaker 4: become a case of him getting outside of play design, 170 00:08:40,760 --> 00:08:43,719 Speaker 4: making incredible plays. That's what he did last week when 171 00:08:43,720 --> 00:08:46,120 Speaker 4: he almost brought them back to victory, you know, against 172 00:08:46,120 --> 00:08:46,840 Speaker 4: the Cowboys. 173 00:08:47,040 --> 00:08:49,959 Speaker 5: It seems there's more and more of that now. 174 00:08:50,080 --> 00:08:52,840 Speaker 4: He's so good at it that they can kind of survive, 175 00:08:53,200 --> 00:08:56,079 Speaker 4: although obviously they're six and six this year. I think 176 00:08:56,280 --> 00:08:57,920 Speaker 4: this is a game where he's going to move around 177 00:08:57,920 --> 00:09:00,640 Speaker 4: a lot, but I don't think they have a true identity. 178 00:09:00,679 --> 00:09:02,800 Speaker 5: And the way I think you're using the word. 179 00:09:03,360 --> 00:09:06,280 Speaker 1: Raven Steelers, I mean it kind of feels again kind 180 00:09:06,280 --> 00:09:11,840 Speaker 1: of this is it for Pittsburgh. Is the Steelers offense broken? 181 00:09:15,000 --> 00:09:17,240 Speaker 4: I'm not sure Steelers an offense or two words that 182 00:09:17,360 --> 00:09:21,720 Speaker 4: go together very much these days. They're a tough offense 183 00:09:21,800 --> 00:09:24,640 Speaker 4: to watch. I mean, you talk about, you know, identity, 184 00:09:25,640 --> 00:09:27,640 Speaker 4: I don't know what they are other than the fact 185 00:09:27,679 --> 00:09:28,920 Speaker 4: that they line up a lot with. 186 00:09:28,880 --> 00:09:29,560 Speaker 5: The big people. 187 00:09:29,920 --> 00:09:31,920 Speaker 4: They play with two tight ends, they play with three 188 00:09:31,960 --> 00:09:34,439 Speaker 4: tight ends. I think they'd like to run the football, 189 00:09:34,679 --> 00:09:36,679 Speaker 4: but that's been very up and down. You don't know 190 00:09:36,720 --> 00:09:38,839 Speaker 4: from week to week if they're going to have any 191 00:09:38,960 --> 00:09:40,560 Speaker 4: kind of sustaining run game. 192 00:09:41,720 --> 00:09:43,400 Speaker 5: I'm not sure what the past game is. 193 00:09:43,440 --> 00:09:45,719 Speaker 4: They really don't work the middle of the field much 194 00:09:45,720 --> 00:09:47,840 Speaker 4: at all, which is not a function of the quarterback. 195 00:09:47,880 --> 00:09:51,480 Speaker 4: Aaron Rodgers can obviously still throw the football sometimes I 196 00:09:51,480 --> 00:09:54,640 Speaker 4: feel watching their tape that their number one receivers becoming 197 00:09:54,720 --> 00:09:58,720 Speaker 4: Darnell Washington at three hundred and eleven pounds. So it's 198 00:09:58,800 --> 00:10:01,480 Speaker 4: it's I'm not sure sure what they are on offense, 199 00:10:01,559 --> 00:10:04,480 Speaker 4: and I don't know if right now I feel like 200 00:10:04,559 --> 00:10:06,480 Speaker 4: watching their tape that you can hang your hat on 201 00:10:06,520 --> 00:10:08,520 Speaker 4: anything and say, hey, this is what they bring to 202 00:10:08,559 --> 00:10:10,160 Speaker 4: the table every single week. 203 00:10:10,960 --> 00:10:13,040 Speaker 1: I want to talk about a team that we've kind 204 00:10:13,040 --> 00:10:16,040 Speaker 1: of forgotten about once they lost their tackles. But we've 205 00:10:16,040 --> 00:10:18,960 Speaker 1: talked about the Chiefs so much, we've talked about Denver 206 00:10:19,400 --> 00:10:23,880 Speaker 1: that quietly. This defense with the Chargers. They're eight and four, 207 00:10:24,000 --> 00:10:28,800 Speaker 1: they're at home. I'm absolutely a live shot to beat Philadelphia. 208 00:10:29,760 --> 00:10:31,360 Speaker 1: I don't even know how they run the ball with 209 00:10:31,440 --> 00:10:34,240 Speaker 1: this offensive line. I have no idea. It's not good, 210 00:10:34,480 --> 00:10:38,000 Speaker 1: right But it's mostly been a defensive story with Jesse 211 00:10:38,120 --> 00:10:41,040 Speaker 1: Minter again, I'll ask you the question I did with Houston. 212 00:10:41,320 --> 00:10:44,199 Speaker 1: Is it coaching or scheme with a Chargers defense? It's 213 00:10:44,280 --> 00:10:45,880 Speaker 1: number two or three in the league right now. 214 00:10:46,880 --> 00:10:47,600 Speaker 5: Yeah, it's both. 215 00:10:47,679 --> 00:10:49,679 Speaker 4: But I think one of the things that stands out 216 00:10:49,720 --> 00:10:52,240 Speaker 4: when you watch their defense, and they have a lot 217 00:10:52,280 --> 00:10:54,440 Speaker 4: of players people may not be aware of. They don't 218 00:10:54,480 --> 00:10:56,920 Speaker 4: know their names, they're not household names. But they've got 219 00:10:57,120 --> 00:10:59,960 Speaker 4: a lot of pieces that can line up in different 220 00:11:00,120 --> 00:11:04,120 Speaker 4: positions and they're very multi positional, multi dimensional. Look we 221 00:11:04,200 --> 00:11:07,200 Speaker 4: know about Derwin James, he's the name everybody knows. Not 222 00:11:07,240 --> 00:11:09,559 Speaker 4: a lot of people probably know about Tar Heeb still 223 00:11:09,840 --> 00:11:13,320 Speaker 4: a corner who plays outside in their base, moves inside 224 00:11:13,559 --> 00:11:17,360 Speaker 4: in their sub defenses, and by the way, is very 225 00:11:17,559 --> 00:11:20,040 Speaker 4: in the dime really because they play nickel all the time. 226 00:11:20,120 --> 00:11:22,400 Speaker 4: It's that big nickel with Drwin James. So in their 227 00:11:22,440 --> 00:11:25,319 Speaker 4: dime he plays inside and he's a major part of. 228 00:11:25,240 --> 00:11:26,360 Speaker 5: Their pressure packages. 229 00:11:26,800 --> 00:11:30,319 Speaker 4: Tuoy Polot, he's a guy that plays both outside and inside. 230 00:11:30,440 --> 00:11:32,959 Speaker 4: A really good player. I'm sure not a lot of 231 00:11:32,960 --> 00:11:36,920 Speaker 4: people are aware of him. Diane Henley really good linebacker. 232 00:11:36,960 --> 00:11:40,320 Speaker 4: Another guy that lines up in multiple positions within their 233 00:11:40,320 --> 00:11:43,880 Speaker 4: different defensive structures, so they have a lot of movable 234 00:11:44,160 --> 00:11:47,920 Speaker 4: chess pieces within their defense. And Jesse Minter obviously is 235 00:11:47,960 --> 00:11:50,440 Speaker 4: coaching really well, because when you ask guys to have 236 00:11:50,480 --> 00:11:54,000 Speaker 4: a lot of different responsibilities based on different personnel, that 237 00:11:54,080 --> 00:11:56,000 Speaker 4: means you're teaching really really well. 238 00:11:56,640 --> 00:11:59,599 Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, I want to talk about Jackson Dart for 239 00:11:59,640 --> 00:12:01,760 Speaker 1: a second, and so I watch him sirst opposed with 240 00:12:01,840 --> 00:12:05,040 Speaker 1: Drake May. Drake May does everything well. Drake May was 241 00:12:05,080 --> 00:12:07,480 Speaker 1: a little reckless his first year, spend a lot of 242 00:12:07,520 --> 00:12:09,720 Speaker 1: time in the blue tent. He doesn't anymore, he cleaned 243 00:12:09,760 --> 00:12:12,640 Speaker 1: it up. No. I watch Jackson Dart, and the Giants 244 00:12:12,640 --> 00:12:14,800 Speaker 1: are so desperate at quarterback. They've been so bad for 245 00:12:14,840 --> 00:12:17,120 Speaker 1: so many years. They're just clinging to anything that work. 246 00:12:17,320 --> 00:12:19,480 Speaker 1: They cling to Tommy DeVito a couple of years ago. 247 00:12:20,000 --> 00:12:23,040 Speaker 1: I watched Jackson. I watch Jackson Dart, and I think 248 00:12:23,040 --> 00:12:27,040 Speaker 1: he's a bit of a splash player. He's memorable, he's confident. 249 00:12:27,360 --> 00:12:29,480 Speaker 1: I is he a guy that can throw forty two 250 00:12:29,559 --> 00:12:33,199 Speaker 1: times a game? What is the film say, not the media, 251 00:12:33,360 --> 00:12:36,839 Speaker 1: not the fan? What is the film say on Jackson Dart? 252 00:12:37,559 --> 00:12:39,560 Speaker 4: Well, the first thing I want to say is we're 253 00:12:39,559 --> 00:12:41,559 Speaker 4: not going to define his whole career about what we've 254 00:12:41,559 --> 00:12:42,120 Speaker 4: seen this year. 255 00:12:42,120 --> 00:12:43,440 Speaker 5: So I want people to understand that. 256 00:12:43,760 --> 00:12:47,320 Speaker 4: So right now, Jackson Dart is a quarterback that is 257 00:12:47,360 --> 00:12:49,960 Speaker 4: not seeing things as clearly as you need to. 258 00:12:50,240 --> 00:12:53,040 Speaker 5: And when you're a quarterback that has mobility. 259 00:12:52,640 --> 00:12:55,240 Speaker 4: Colin, and you don't see things as clearly as you 260 00:12:55,320 --> 00:12:57,760 Speaker 4: need to on a consistent fasis, what do you do? 261 00:12:58,040 --> 00:12:58,640 Speaker 5: You run? 262 00:12:59,000 --> 00:13:01,839 Speaker 4: And that's what he does and he's very good at it. 263 00:13:02,000 --> 00:13:04,000 Speaker 4: But he can't take the kind of hits we're looking 264 00:13:04,040 --> 00:13:07,000 Speaker 4: at now. He's spent almost every one of his games 265 00:13:07,120 --> 00:13:09,960 Speaker 4: maybe with just one or two exceptions in the blue ten. 266 00:13:10,160 --> 00:13:12,240 Speaker 4: And obviously he missed a couple of weeks dude to 267 00:13:12,480 --> 00:13:16,720 Speaker 4: being in the concussion protocol. So ideally, as he plays more, 268 00:13:17,120 --> 00:13:19,920 Speaker 4: he starts to see things with more clarity, gets a 269 00:13:19,920 --> 00:13:23,480 Speaker 4: better picture pre snap that translates to post snap. He 270 00:13:23,600 --> 00:13:26,839 Speaker 4: becomes more of a post snap operator and therefore can 271 00:13:26,960 --> 00:13:29,800 Speaker 4: drop in the pocket, see it and throw the football. 272 00:13:30,000 --> 00:13:34,320 Speaker 4: Because you can't play like this on a consistent basis. 273 00:13:34,120 --> 00:13:37,040 Speaker 4: It's not sustainable. And he's not big, by the way, 274 00:13:37,240 --> 00:13:39,040 Speaker 4: so it's not as if that he can you know, 275 00:13:39,120 --> 00:13:42,160 Speaker 4: the body is it can handle all this. So we'll 276 00:13:42,200 --> 00:13:44,360 Speaker 4: see how it plays out. But like I said, I'm 277 00:13:44,360 --> 00:13:46,960 Speaker 4: not defining his whole career. He's a rookie on a 278 00:13:47,000 --> 00:13:50,160 Speaker 4: team that's not very good, so he's it's just how 279 00:13:50,160 --> 00:13:51,400 Speaker 4: it's playing out this year. 280 00:13:51,920 --> 00:13:54,559 Speaker 1: Okay, another young guy, Shador Sanders. I can't go to 281 00:13:54,679 --> 00:13:59,240 Speaker 1: a segment. Yeah second start you know again, what's the 282 00:13:59,320 --> 00:13:59,920 Speaker 1: film saying? 283 00:14:01,559 --> 00:14:04,240 Speaker 4: Yeah, Chador was not very good this week, And I 284 00:14:04,280 --> 00:14:06,319 Speaker 4: think the way I always look at it when I 285 00:14:06,320 --> 00:14:08,520 Speaker 4: watch young guys, I feel the same way about cam 286 00:14:08,600 --> 00:14:12,360 Speaker 4: Ward is they are still playing a little. 287 00:14:12,120 --> 00:14:13,679 Speaker 5: Bit out of college. Speed. 288 00:14:14,120 --> 00:14:16,080 Speaker 4: You have to get back in the pocket. You've got 289 00:14:16,080 --> 00:14:18,840 Speaker 4: to see it, you've got to deliver the football. This week, 290 00:14:19,080 --> 00:14:21,120 Speaker 4: he didn't see things the way he needed to. He 291 00:14:21,200 --> 00:14:23,200 Speaker 4: left a lot of throws on the field by not 292 00:14:23,240 --> 00:14:26,040 Speaker 4: turning it loose. When the design of the route concept 293 00:14:26,080 --> 00:14:28,680 Speaker 4: was clean, it was there. If he threw the ball 294 00:14:28,720 --> 00:14:30,960 Speaker 4: this week when he should have, Jerry Judy would have 295 00:14:31,000 --> 00:14:34,280 Speaker 4: had one hundred and seventy five receiving yards. And that 296 00:14:34,320 --> 00:14:37,040 Speaker 4: doesn't even include that play, which was actually a second 297 00:14:37,120 --> 00:14:38,560 Speaker 4: reaction and adjustment. 298 00:14:38,120 --> 00:14:39,480 Speaker 5: Play that we just saw. 299 00:14:39,640 --> 00:14:42,600 Speaker 4: But for the most part this week, the processing just 300 00:14:42,760 --> 00:14:43,920 Speaker 4: was was a little slow. 301 00:14:44,280 --> 00:14:46,000 Speaker 5: Now again, he needs more reps. 302 00:14:46,200 --> 00:14:49,240 Speaker 4: This is not a condemnation or a referendum on his 303 00:14:49,400 --> 00:14:52,000 Speaker 4: entire career and what it's going to be Colin. He 304 00:14:52,120 --> 00:14:54,680 Speaker 4: needs a lot of reps. He needs to play to 305 00:14:54,760 --> 00:14:57,320 Speaker 4: the speed of the NFL game and right now he's 306 00:14:57,360 --> 00:14:59,560 Speaker 4: not doing that. And there's one thing that is very 307 00:14:59,600 --> 00:15:02,640 Speaker 4: coach that he had this issue in college and it 308 00:15:02,720 --> 00:15:05,320 Speaker 4: flared up again this week. He has a tendency when 309 00:15:05,360 --> 00:15:07,960 Speaker 4: he moves to hold the ball with one hand. You 310 00:15:08,000 --> 00:15:10,640 Speaker 4: cannot do that in the NFL. That can be coached 311 00:15:10,680 --> 00:15:11,440 Speaker 4: and cleaned. 312 00:15:11,200 --> 00:15:14,280 Speaker 1: Up Okay, the best game of the weekend Bears Packers. 313 00:15:14,280 --> 00:15:17,400 Speaker 1: So let's start with the Bears. I love it. It's 314 00:15:17,440 --> 00:15:21,840 Speaker 1: so old school Ben Johnson. Ben Johnson would run at 315 00:15:21,840 --> 00:15:24,480 Speaker 1: fifty five times. I mean, is it now? First of all, 316 00:15:24,720 --> 00:15:26,720 Speaker 1: when he got there, he went and got Drew Dolman 317 00:15:26,960 --> 00:15:29,160 Speaker 1: and Joe Tooney and Jonah Jackson, so it was very 318 00:15:29,200 --> 00:15:32,119 Speaker 1: clear what he wanted to do. Established for a young quarterback, 319 00:15:32,360 --> 00:15:34,800 Speaker 1: a big time run game. Is it a beautiful thing 320 00:15:34,840 --> 00:15:36,960 Speaker 1: to watch when you look at film? 321 00:15:37,320 --> 00:15:38,920 Speaker 5: Well, this week it was beautiful. 322 00:15:38,960 --> 00:15:42,760 Speaker 4: They ran outside zone is their predominant run against the Eagles, 323 00:15:42,960 --> 00:15:45,560 Speaker 4: and the Eagles they played it the wrong way. And 324 00:15:45,600 --> 00:15:48,480 Speaker 4: they know that you can't play outside zone by playing 325 00:15:48,600 --> 00:15:51,520 Speaker 4: laterally and just sliding down the line of scrimmage. 326 00:15:51,600 --> 00:15:54,040 Speaker 5: There has to be some kind of vertical knock pack. 327 00:15:54,240 --> 00:15:56,320 Speaker 4: Now, you don't want to shoot gaps, but there has 328 00:15:56,400 --> 00:15:58,800 Speaker 4: to be some kind of vertical knockback, and the Eagles 329 00:15:58,840 --> 00:16:00,840 Speaker 4: didn't do that. You know, I've got the second best 330 00:16:00,880 --> 00:16:02,800 Speaker 4: running game in the NFL, and a lot of people 331 00:16:02,840 --> 00:16:04,880 Speaker 4: probably aren't aware of that because all you want to 332 00:16:04,880 --> 00:16:07,080 Speaker 4: talk about is Caleb Williams. That's what most people want 333 00:16:07,160 --> 00:16:10,200 Speaker 4: to talk about. But their run game has been really solid. 334 00:16:10,320 --> 00:16:14,200 Speaker 4: The Menungae kid has been really good. He's a physical, sustaining, 335 00:16:14,480 --> 00:16:17,600 Speaker 4: hard runner, and when you compare him and combine him 336 00:16:17,600 --> 00:16:20,000 Speaker 4: with Swift, you've got a really nice run game. And 337 00:16:20,040 --> 00:16:22,560 Speaker 4: the Old Lion is playing really, really well, and what 338 00:16:22,680 --> 00:16:25,480 Speaker 4: he does really well. It's almost the old Joe Gibbs 339 00:16:25,560 --> 00:16:30,720 Speaker 4: philosophy colin of using motion to change run support. Most 340 00:16:30,760 --> 00:16:33,680 Speaker 4: people don't think of motion as being a factor in 341 00:16:33,760 --> 00:16:36,400 Speaker 4: the run game, but Joe Gibbs did it, you know, 342 00:16:36,720 --> 00:16:39,640 Speaker 4: years and years ago with the Redskins, where you use 343 00:16:39,760 --> 00:16:42,880 Speaker 4: motion and it dictates run support and changes it in 344 00:16:42,920 --> 00:16:45,600 Speaker 4: your favor. And that's one thing that Ben Jonson has 345 00:16:45,640 --> 00:16:46,640 Speaker 4: such a good feel for. 346 00:16:47,440 --> 00:16:51,760 Speaker 1: Okay, listen, I like Jordan Love. I had my questions 347 00:16:51,760 --> 00:16:53,720 Speaker 1: out of Utah State, but I said, if I didn't 348 00:16:53,720 --> 00:16:55,480 Speaker 1: say his name and I just said, there's a tall 349 00:16:55,560 --> 00:16:57,880 Speaker 1: kid that's athletic with a big arm, takes risks and 350 00:16:57,920 --> 00:17:00,160 Speaker 1: doesn't throw a lot of picks, everybody would go, oh, 351 00:17:00,240 --> 00:17:03,280 Speaker 1: that's great. I think he's really talented. I think sometimes 352 00:17:03,320 --> 00:17:07,320 Speaker 1: there's just it looks to me like a franchise quarterback. 353 00:17:07,640 --> 00:17:12,120 Speaker 1: Good arm moves, Yeah, nice kid, coachable can ad lib 354 00:17:12,240 --> 00:17:15,120 Speaker 1: can be on script or off. What is your favorite 355 00:17:15,200 --> 00:17:17,800 Speaker 1: quality on film of the Packers young quarterback. 356 00:17:19,280 --> 00:17:22,000 Speaker 4: I would say there's a comfort with which he plays, 357 00:17:22,040 --> 00:17:23,640 Speaker 4: which is not an next to no point, but there's 358 00:17:23,640 --> 00:17:26,200 Speaker 4: a comfort with which he plays. And I would say 359 00:17:26,200 --> 00:17:28,640 Speaker 4: that what has really stood out this year and he's 360 00:17:28,640 --> 00:17:33,680 Speaker 4: gotten better at his ball placement, because they are phenomenal 361 00:17:33,720 --> 00:17:36,800 Speaker 4: on third down Colin, they're the best third down conversion 362 00:17:36,840 --> 00:17:39,920 Speaker 4: offense in the league. And on third and seven plus, 363 00:17:40,160 --> 00:17:43,160 Speaker 4: which for most teams is pretty much it's time to punt, 364 00:17:43,359 --> 00:17:46,560 Speaker 4: they convert more than forty three percent on third and 365 00:17:46,640 --> 00:17:50,439 Speaker 4: seven plus. That is remarkable, it's almost unheard of. But 366 00:17:50,560 --> 00:17:55,040 Speaker 4: his ball location has gotten more consistent, more precise year 367 00:17:55,080 --> 00:17:58,920 Speaker 4: after year. And you combine that with an aggressive mindset, 368 00:17:59,000 --> 00:18:01,200 Speaker 4: which I believe is a essential for a quarterback in 369 00:18:01,240 --> 00:18:05,159 Speaker 4: this league. He's an aggressive mindset thrower, and now that 370 00:18:05,240 --> 00:18:07,840 Speaker 4: he's more accurate and more precise with his ball location, 371 00:18:08,200 --> 00:18:09,120 Speaker 4: he wins. 372 00:18:08,800 --> 00:18:11,720 Speaker 5: On third down. And but again, you. 373 00:18:11,640 --> 00:18:14,320 Speaker 4: Know, we've talked about coaching on the defensive side, coaching 374 00:18:14,320 --> 00:18:16,880 Speaker 4: on the offensive side. I think it's a really good 375 00:18:16,960 --> 00:18:20,360 Speaker 4: mix with Jordan Love and Matt Lafleur. 376 00:18:20,800 --> 00:18:22,639 Speaker 5: We know Matlaflor likes to run the ball. 377 00:18:22,840 --> 00:18:24,800 Speaker 4: But the other thing that stands out is they do 378 00:18:24,880 --> 00:18:27,560 Speaker 4: some really good things in the red zone. You know, 379 00:18:27,600 --> 00:18:29,159 Speaker 4: I'm not a believer in the red zone. I actually I 380 00:18:29,160 --> 00:18:31,240 Speaker 4: heard Ben Johnson talk about this. I'm not a believer 381 00:18:31,280 --> 00:18:33,040 Speaker 4: in the red zone of just throwing it up and 382 00:18:33,040 --> 00:18:35,600 Speaker 4: hoping your receiver catches the ball. I'm much more of 383 00:18:35,640 --> 00:18:38,399 Speaker 4: a believer in schematics in the red zone. And we 384 00:18:38,520 --> 00:18:40,800 Speaker 4: saw that last week, and that's actually going to be 385 00:18:40,800 --> 00:18:43,280 Speaker 4: the play we show because I think that that's so 386 00:18:43,520 --> 00:18:46,400 Speaker 4: critical to be a will score touchdowns in the red 387 00:18:46,480 --> 00:18:49,159 Speaker 4: zone and not just relying on guys going up and 388 00:18:49,200 --> 00:18:51,600 Speaker 4: making a play, which is which is a maybe yes, 389 00:18:51,640 --> 00:18:54,560 Speaker 4: maybe no deal. So this was last week against Detroit, 390 00:18:54,800 --> 00:18:57,160 Speaker 4: and I actually love this play in it it's really 391 00:18:57,280 --> 00:19:01,120 Speaker 4: so simple. You know, sometimes the really cool things are 392 00:19:01,200 --> 00:19:03,120 Speaker 4: so simple when you really look at them. 393 00:19:03,320 --> 00:19:05,040 Speaker 5: So here's love. He's in the gun. 394 00:19:05,520 --> 00:19:08,240 Speaker 4: Now what we're starting with here, We're going to start 395 00:19:08,280 --> 00:19:11,080 Speaker 4: with a two by two formation, meaning that there's two 396 00:19:11,200 --> 00:19:14,560 Speaker 4: receivers up top to the wide side of the field, 397 00:19:14,600 --> 00:19:17,520 Speaker 4: and there's two receivers to the boundary side of the formation. 398 00:19:17,600 --> 00:19:18,840 Speaker 5: Now, what's going to happen. 399 00:19:18,600 --> 00:19:21,400 Speaker 4: Is the two key receivers here are Watson and Dobbs, 400 00:19:21,560 --> 00:19:24,040 Speaker 4: and we'll see that as we continue with the play. Now, 401 00:19:24,119 --> 00:19:26,959 Speaker 4: Dobbs will go in motion and the corner will follow. 402 00:19:27,080 --> 00:19:29,200 Speaker 4: Now you're playing man down here if you're a defense, 403 00:19:29,280 --> 00:19:30,480 Speaker 4: because there's not a lot of room. 404 00:19:30,520 --> 00:19:32,520 Speaker 5: You're not playing zone, so you're playing man. 405 00:19:32,880 --> 00:19:36,320 Speaker 4: So Dobbs is now stacked behind Watson and the corners 406 00:19:36,520 --> 00:19:39,760 Speaker 4: they switched their matchup because of the motion. So you 407 00:19:39,800 --> 00:19:42,159 Speaker 4: know what you have now is the corner that was 408 00:19:42,200 --> 00:19:45,520 Speaker 4: on Dobbs is now matched to Watson and Dobbs is 409 00:19:45,560 --> 00:19:46,480 Speaker 4: on the outside. 410 00:19:46,800 --> 00:19:50,760 Speaker 5: So this is really some very simple but very cool stuff. 411 00:19:51,040 --> 00:19:53,480 Speaker 4: What you're going to see is Watson is going to 412 00:19:53,560 --> 00:19:58,000 Speaker 4: angle his stem to the outside. Okay, so they're going 413 00:19:58,040 --> 00:20:00,480 Speaker 4: to do what we call a switch release, going to 414 00:20:00,480 --> 00:20:03,560 Speaker 4: angle his stem outside, and Dobbs is going to then 415 00:20:03,600 --> 00:20:07,400 Speaker 4: angle his stem inside. But because the corners now have 416 00:20:07,480 --> 00:20:10,920 Speaker 4: to switch due to this switch release concept, what happens 417 00:20:11,000 --> 00:20:15,600 Speaker 4: is Dobbs ends up running now his out quick outcut 418 00:20:15,840 --> 00:20:20,360 Speaker 4: against a corner that's inside of him. Because of everything 419 00:20:20,400 --> 00:20:24,359 Speaker 4: they've done, the motion, the stack, the switch release, So 420 00:20:24,400 --> 00:20:27,440 Speaker 4: what happens is is he just has the leverage on him, 421 00:20:27,520 --> 00:20:30,199 Speaker 4: so when he breaks to the outside, Colin, it becomes 422 00:20:30,280 --> 00:20:31,040 Speaker 4: pitching catch. 423 00:20:31,320 --> 00:20:33,159 Speaker 5: It's just really beautiful stuff. 424 00:20:33,200 --> 00:20:36,159 Speaker 4: It looks so easy, but you know, this is just 425 00:20:36,240 --> 00:20:38,960 Speaker 4: so beautiful when you watch it. And to me, this 426 00:20:39,000 --> 00:20:42,520 Speaker 4: is what red zone, particularly low red zone offense meaning 427 00:20:42,560 --> 00:20:45,399 Speaker 4: ten yards in has to be about, not just throwing 428 00:20:45,400 --> 00:20:47,840 Speaker 4: it up to receivers, but this packer offense. 429 00:20:47,880 --> 00:20:49,160 Speaker 5: And you're right about Jordan Love. 430 00:20:49,359 --> 00:20:52,920 Speaker 4: He definitely looks like a franchise quarterback. He's so physically 431 00:20:52,960 --> 00:20:55,720 Speaker 4: talented and I think mentally he's getting better and better 432 00:20:55,760 --> 00:20:56,720 Speaker 4: with each each week. 433 00:20:57,080 --> 00:21:00,959 Speaker 1: Yeah, great stuff. Greg Cosel, forty six years NFL Films. 434 00:21:00,960 --> 00:21:03,800 Speaker 5: Thanks Greg, Thanks Colin, really appreciate it. 435 00:21:04,320 --> 00:21:06,919 Speaker 1: What's interesting to me, folks about Jordan Love And you 436 00:21:06,960 --> 00:21:08,680 Speaker 1: see this a lot. So he had a really good 437 00:21:09,320 --> 00:21:11,320 Speaker 1: year in college the year before he came out, and 438 00:21:11,320 --> 00:21:13,000 Speaker 1: then the year he came out, it wasn't as good 439 00:21:13,000 --> 00:21:15,040 Speaker 1: a year because he lost coaches and a lot of 440 00:21:15,040 --> 00:21:17,639 Speaker 1: people bailed on him. But you had to go back 441 00:21:17,680 --> 00:21:20,679 Speaker 1: and look at the film from the previous year, and 442 00:21:20,880 --> 00:21:23,760 Speaker 1: it does show that we all know this bo Nix 443 00:21:24,359 --> 00:21:28,720 Speaker 1: is benefiting from Sean Payton and Caleb Williams is benefiting 444 00:21:29,119 --> 00:21:31,600 Speaker 1: from Ben Johnson. Well, that works in college as well. 445 00:21:32,080 --> 00:21:34,919 Speaker 1: You know, when Sark was a college coordinator, but he 446 00:21:34,960 --> 00:21:38,000 Speaker 1: was good enough to be a coach at Texas. It 447 00:21:38,160 --> 00:21:42,280 Speaker 1: was nice having Lane Kiffen and Sark as coordinators when 448 00:21:42,280 --> 00:21:45,959 Speaker 1: they're both excellent head coaches. So this coaching stuff matters 449 00:21:47,160 --> 00:21:50,560 Speaker 1: everybody in Green Bay. I hope you understand. You do 450 00:21:50,720 --> 00:21:52,879 Speaker 1: understand that Green Bay's a weller in operation. But I 451 00:21:52,880 --> 00:21:54,800 Speaker 1: don't get the critics of Jordan Love. I think he's 452 00:21:54,800 --> 00:21:59,800 Speaker 1: an incredibly special player, arm, movement, size, and again this 453 00:22:00,480 --> 00:22:02,480 Speaker 1: every time you put a mic in front of him, 454 00:22:03,400 --> 00:22:07,240 Speaker 1: says the right thing. I mean again, he never blows 455 00:22:07,320 --> 00:22:10,960 Speaker 1: up a locker room. There's no passive aggressive. You can 456 00:22:11,040 --> 00:22:14,800 Speaker 1: tell he cares about stuff beyond himself. It just again, 457 00:22:14,880 --> 00:22:17,520 Speaker 1: that stuff matters for quarterback. I don't care about other positions. 458 00:22:17,520 --> 00:22:20,040 Speaker 1: Every time you talk to Jordan Love. And by the way, 459 00:22:20,080 --> 00:22:23,960 Speaker 1: Caleb's gotten very good at this. Caleb Williams. Chicago's media 460 00:22:24,160 --> 00:22:31,639 Speaker 1: is very aggressive. Jalen Hurts, hyper aggressive Philly media. Jalen 461 00:22:31,680 --> 00:22:35,480 Speaker 1: Hurts brings the heat down. Caleb Williams, Jordan Love, It's 462 00:22:35,560 --> 00:22:39,120 Speaker 1: so much a part of this is keep the thing 463 00:22:39,200 --> 00:22:44,160 Speaker 1: the thing, don't inflame situations. But Jordan is really special. 464 00:22:44,840 --> 00:22:45,320 Speaker 1: Good kid. 465 00:22:45,400 --> 00:22:48,440 Speaker 2: One more heard. 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Again YouTube, Just search Odd Couple FSR. 476 00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:25,800 Speaker 4: Check us out on YouTube and subscribe. 477 00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:31,280 Speaker 1: We just had a very polarizing political talking topic. If 478 00:23:31,280 --> 00:23:33,600 Speaker 1: you did a fast food All Star team, We've come 479 00:23:33,600 --> 00:23:36,600 Speaker 1: to the conclusion, Jamax, you'd have Chick fil A, spicy sandwich, 480 00:23:37,040 --> 00:23:45,160 Speaker 1: McDonald's fries, the Wendy Smoothie cane sauces. Oh okay, frosty. 481 00:23:45,240 --> 00:23:47,560 Speaker 7: Friend, my daughter got me into raising canes lately. 482 00:23:47,840 --> 00:23:51,320 Speaker 1: I never said it is great. The sauces are the best. 483 00:23:51,480 --> 00:23:56,399 Speaker 1: And then we went back and forth best burger in 484 00:23:56,480 --> 00:23:57,080 Speaker 1: and out. 485 00:23:59,119 --> 00:24:01,879 Speaker 7: What I want to get attacked in Los Angeles. But 486 00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:05,600 Speaker 7: that's way way off, bro. Come on, their patties are 487 00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:07,840 Speaker 7: so small. How could that be the best burger when 488 00:24:07,840 --> 00:24:10,520 Speaker 7: the patties thin? No way, I would go five guys. 489 00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:17,120 Speaker 1: Not a bad call. That's the kind of stuff we discuss. 490 00:24:16,800 --> 00:24:20,040 Speaker 7: Discuss during the break. I'm here grinding away on gambling lines. 491 00:24:20,600 --> 00:24:23,479 Speaker 7: You're talking about hamburgers and fries. Okay, I see how 492 00:24:23,520 --> 00:24:23,840 Speaker 7: you roll. 493 00:24:24,040 --> 00:24:26,760 Speaker 1: Nobody beats the Golden Arches for fraud. 494 00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:27,440 Speaker 7: Oh nobody. 495 00:24:27,520 --> 00:24:30,440 Speaker 1: I stopped by there on a regular basis in the 496 00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:33,000 Speaker 1: summer when I need salt. I just stopped by. I 497 00:24:33,040 --> 00:24:34,560 Speaker 1: get a mat and just eat them in the car. 498 00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:39,960 Speaker 1: Drive arounds. Great, yeah, j Mack with a news No, no. 499 00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:44,080 Speaker 7: This is the herd line news when I need salt. 500 00:24:44,119 --> 00:24:46,200 Speaker 7: I like that line. I'm gonna start using that. Let's 501 00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:48,800 Speaker 7: get started with Penn State Colin. Not great, not great 502 00:24:48,840 --> 00:24:51,679 Speaker 7: at all. James Franklin was fired six weeks ago and 503 00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:54,080 Speaker 7: they still don't have a hire. Here's where it gets dicey. 504 00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:57,920 Speaker 7: There are reports that claim they've lost over twenty recruits 505 00:24:57,920 --> 00:25:00,640 Speaker 7: from the recruited class. James Franklin went to Virginia Tech. 506 00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:05,840 Speaker 7: Eleven of those recruits followed him there to the Hokies. Currently, 507 00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:08,120 Speaker 7: they only have two players committed to the class. 508 00:25:08,359 --> 00:25:11,639 Speaker 1: No coach. Well, I don't like firing coaches mid season. 509 00:25:11,800 --> 00:25:15,000 Speaker 1: I didn't like firing James Franklin. This is not about 510 00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:17,520 Speaker 1: being right. But they were thirteen and three or something 511 00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:20,679 Speaker 1: like that last year. He had a bad stretch. Go 512 00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:23,680 Speaker 1: ahead and criticize him, but you know what, he got 513 00:25:23,680 --> 00:25:27,160 Speaker 1: the last laugh. Because Penn State in the nil era, 514 00:25:27,280 --> 00:25:30,960 Speaker 1: you can overcome a disastrous recruiting class. But it's not 515 00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:33,320 Speaker 1: good when Ohio State now is the best program in 516 00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:37,240 Speaker 1: the country. Oregon USC just finished with the number one class. 517 00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:41,800 Speaker 1: So it's a bad, bad look and it's a cautionary tale, 518 00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:45,159 Speaker 1: be very even in the NFL. I don't like firing midseason. 519 00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:47,960 Speaker 1: Like I like what Miami did. Our GM's not the 520 00:25:48,040 --> 00:25:51,040 Speaker 1: right guy. We're gonna let two in Mike McDaniel play out, 521 00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:53,000 Speaker 1: and I think Mike's a really smart guy and a 522 00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:56,399 Speaker 1: good offensive coach. You start firing coaches all of a sudden, 523 00:25:56,440 --> 00:25:58,919 Speaker 1: the assistant comes in. One wins a couple of games, 524 00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:02,240 Speaker 1: and everybody wants to assistant. You really think the assistant 525 00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:03,960 Speaker 1: at Old Miss is going to be as good as Lane. 526 00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:06,440 Speaker 1: Keffin like, I'd be very very careful about this stuff. 527 00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:07,440 Speaker 1: It's a tough one. 528 00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:10,280 Speaker 7: I'll just say this Penn State could turn it around easily. 529 00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:14,479 Speaker 7: And yesterday Klatt made a good point. Maybe they're fishing 530 00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:15,920 Speaker 7: after somebody who's still playing. 531 00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:17,760 Speaker 1: I think that has to be the I don't think 532 00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:18,640 Speaker 1: it's Kailin de Boor. 533 00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:20,960 Speaker 7: I tried to do my homework on that. It seems 534 00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:23,240 Speaker 7: like I just don't see that happening. That would be 535 00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:24,280 Speaker 7: an unbelievable height. 536 00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:26,560 Speaker 1: Ryan Dable open up the piggy bank. 537 00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:28,760 Speaker 7: I think you, Brian Dable will be a home run. 538 00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:32,159 Speaker 7: Now listen, this Mike Tomlin stuff feels like nonsense. But 539 00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:34,119 Speaker 7: Mike Tomlin would crush it at Penn Stake if he 540 00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:35,560 Speaker 7: wanted to go that route. 541 00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:38,520 Speaker 1: By the way, I know that Old Miss Lane left 542 00:26:38,520 --> 00:26:40,360 Speaker 1: Old Miss, so I don't want to lump that in there. 543 00:26:40,359 --> 00:26:43,679 Speaker 1: But my take is everybody you know it just you 544 00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:46,840 Speaker 1: gotta be careful. And for the record, the reason guys 545 00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:50,440 Speaker 1: like Lane left Tennessee after one year and everybody freaked 546 00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:54,920 Speaker 1: out is because these programs they have no mercy when 547 00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:56,800 Speaker 1: they want to get rid of you. Well, guess what, 548 00:26:57,000 --> 00:26:59,480 Speaker 1: Sometimes the coach is going to get rid of you. 549 00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:03,520 Speaker 1: And so when you see Lane kippin Leavin early. Lane's theory, 550 00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:06,639 Speaker 1: I believe has always been I've been watching my colleagues 551 00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:09,879 Speaker 1: and peers get fired in season, get dumped after decent 552 00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:14,920 Speaker 1: season forever. I'm gonna dictate terms. So James Franklin, basically, 553 00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:17,080 Speaker 1: when they when you fire a guy like that, you 554 00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:20,520 Speaker 1: are telling every good coach they'll can you after a 555 00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:23,960 Speaker 1: three game losing streak. Be very careful. No loyalty. There's 556 00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:24,760 Speaker 1: no loyalty out there. 557 00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:27,200 Speaker 7: I mean, I'm loyal to you, but there's not loyalty 558 00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:30,600 Speaker 7: anywhere else. All right, let's move on to Ben Johnson. 559 00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:33,359 Speaker 7: Colin listen, I know he's your guy. We got to 560 00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:35,560 Speaker 7: talk about them every show, but this week is a 561 00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:38,880 Speaker 7: tough one. They got Matt Lafleur and Jordan Love. There 562 00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:41,720 Speaker 7: was some smack talk in the offseason. Jordan Love said 563 00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:44,960 Speaker 7: he heard the noise that Ben Johnson was marking, but he's. 564 00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:49,080 Speaker 8: Not listening, not worried about those things that are said. 565 00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:51,879 Speaker 8: You know, it's another game, obviously. You know the Bear's 566 00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:53,320 Speaker 8: match up where I was trying to win that game. 567 00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:57,520 Speaker 8: They're number one in the NFC, so obviously we haven't 568 00:27:57,520 --> 00:27:59,160 Speaker 8: played them yet, the only team in the NFC North 569 00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:02,040 Speaker 8: we haven't seen so and uh, you know, two games 570 00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:04,560 Speaker 8: in three weeks, so it would be a great matchup. 571 00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:05,400 Speaker 9: You know, they're a good team. 572 00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:07,879 Speaker 8: And like we've always said, you know, it's that that 573 00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:08,760 Speaker 8: one of no mentality. 574 00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:10,280 Speaker 5: You just handle business this week. 575 00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:13,400 Speaker 7: All business for Jordan Love you see that. No smiles, 576 00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:14,360 Speaker 7: no jokes. 577 00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:17,679 Speaker 1: My kind of guy. Yep, no silliness. 578 00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:19,720 Speaker 7: You flip flop on that yet or you go in 579 00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:20,920 Speaker 7: Packers or Bears. 580 00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:24,040 Speaker 1: Just gonna saving to watch the game with great interest. 581 00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:29,320 Speaker 7: Oh wow, it's not blazon five. Oh man, that's disappointing. 582 00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:34,040 Speaker 1: You're a bitch. Thursday Thursday, my god old chicken. 583 00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:36,639 Speaker 7: Huh huh, all right, final story, Colin, let's go to 584 00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:42,000 Speaker 7: uh man. Mike Tomlin. So yesterday Ben Roethlisberger, Okay, yeah, 585 00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:44,240 Speaker 7: I had his chime in on on Mike Tomlin senta 586 00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:47,040 Speaker 7: it should be over. Well today it's five time pro 587 00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:51,040 Speaker 7: bowler James Harrison. Remember James Harrison obviously spent ten years 588 00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:53,480 Speaker 7: with Tomlin. Now he's been a critic of his former 589 00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:56,880 Speaker 7: coach and here's uh, here's Harrison going off on the 590 00:28:56,880 --> 00:29:01,560 Speaker 7: Steelers after that disaster against the Bills. I had never 591 00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:05,800 Speaker 7: been a person that thought coach Tomy was a great coach. 592 00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:07,720 Speaker 5: I thought he was a good coach. 593 00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:13,160 Speaker 7: A good coach gets you to play to your potential. 594 00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:19,800 Speaker 1: Well, I think Tomlin is a good coach. 595 00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:22,080 Speaker 7: I think by the time out good coach. He's a 596 00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:22,880 Speaker 7: Hall of Fame coach. 597 00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:27,720 Speaker 1: Locke correct, No, I don't want to say that. What 598 00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:30,520 Speaker 1: Thomas not a Hall of Famer? He doesn't want a 599 00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:33,320 Speaker 1: playoff game in eight years? Okay, Well, he had a 600 00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:35,160 Speaker 1: career before that. I'm just saying recently. 601 00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:37,239 Speaker 7: And he's also young. He's got a long way to go. 602 00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:39,240 Speaker 1: First of all, did not that many coaches make the 603 00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:41,400 Speaker 1: Hall of Fame. There's a really good coaches not in 604 00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:42,360 Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame. Look it up. 605 00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:45,680 Speaker 7: That would be a start. I think Tomlin's I mean, 606 00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:48,680 Speaker 7: he's unbelievable. He's at a rough stretch. 607 00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:51,960 Speaker 1: Is Mike Shanahan in the Hall of Fame as a coach? 608 00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:56,280 Speaker 1: He's not. 609 00:29:56,640 --> 00:29:57,680 Speaker 5: It's weird. 610 00:29:57,760 --> 00:30:02,440 Speaker 7: Everybody's slandering Tomlin. Now the I'm slendering he is. It's 611 00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:04,200 Speaker 7: over James Harrison. He's not a great. 612 00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:08,400 Speaker 1: Coach mac if I go eight years and don't compete 613 00:30:08,520 --> 00:30:11,320 Speaker 1: in certain levels in any business. Eight years without a 614 00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:15,600 Speaker 1: playoff win, now one. In fact, it's nine years since 615 00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:18,360 Speaker 1: he went to the playoffs and won a game and 616 00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:21,480 Speaker 1: scored a touchdown. Like Ian, Greg Cosel came on the 617 00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:24,840 Speaker 1: air twenty minutes ago. I asked him about the Steelers offense. 618 00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:27,000 Speaker 1: He's like, you don't know. This is a guy that's 619 00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:28,920 Speaker 1: an expert watching film. He's like, yeah, I don't even 620 00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:29,680 Speaker 1: know what I'm watching. 621 00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:32,760 Speaker 7: Is that Tom Lein or is that Arthur Smith? The 622 00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:34,800 Speaker 7: offensive guyan Aaron Rodgers. 623 00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:38,719 Speaker 1: The president of Fox Sports. Eventually, if somebody watched our 624 00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:41,800 Speaker 1: broadcast and said I don't know what they're doing, well, 625 00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:45,640 Speaker 1: it's not my responsibility, right, I have to do my show. 626 00:30:46,040 --> 00:30:48,479 Speaker 1: If a team, if you talk about a team and 627 00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:50,880 Speaker 1: you say to yourself, y'all, I don't even know what 628 00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:54,960 Speaker 1: I'm watching. Eventually, a head coach a Jimmy Johnson, A 629 00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:59,160 Speaker 1: Sean Payton. Andy Reid is responsible for the defense. He 630 00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:02,720 Speaker 1: hires a coreator, but he has to be responsible for 631 00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:06,040 Speaker 1: the day to day play and execution and production of 632 00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:11,680 Speaker 1: all his entire special teams. Offense, defense, Mike Shanahan's not 633 00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:14,200 Speaker 1: a Hall of Famer. I mean, didn't make the cut 634 00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:16,400 Speaker 1: for twenty twenty six, got a couple of Super Bowls. 635 00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:20,320 Speaker 1: His son's a great coach. Shanahan basically helped create a 636 00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:25,640 Speaker 1: run system that has still today is the most copied 637 00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:27,920 Speaker 1: run system in the league. So this iety of the 638 00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:30,880 Speaker 1: coaches just, hey, they made a couple of Super Bowls. Hey, 639 00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:32,560 Speaker 1: and not a lot of coaches make the Hall of Fame. 640 00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:36,680 Speaker 7: So you know, this roster is not great. Tomlin, ain't 641 00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:39,600 Speaker 7: the GM. They tried to draft a quarterback, Kenny Pickett, 642 00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:41,600 Speaker 7: that was a flop, so then they went for Aaron 643 00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:44,040 Speaker 7: Rodgers disaster. All this is on Tomlin? 644 00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:46,720 Speaker 1: What about the GM? Is the GM catching no heat? 645 00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:50,000 Speaker 1: Nobody's trading Pickens, nobody's saying it's all on him. But 646 00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:52,440 Speaker 1: the highest paid guy in the building, this quarterback. You 647 00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:54,680 Speaker 1: know who the second highest paid guy is oftentimes either 648 00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:58,040 Speaker 1: a pass rush or a head coach. You're the boss, yeah, 649 00:31:58,080 --> 00:31:58,840 Speaker 1: you know, you're the year. 650 00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:02,000 Speaker 7: Do you know the boss has to fire lieutenants before 651 00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:02,600 Speaker 7: he gets. 652 00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:04,400 Speaker 1: How many Oh, Caesar, are we going to go through? 653 00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:07,640 Speaker 1: How many running backs? Receivers? A quarterbacks? 654 00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:10,680 Speaker 7: GMS? Okay, all right, so you're ready, you're done with Tomlin, 655 00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:11,080 Speaker 7: it's over. 656 00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:14,600 Speaker 1: I think he'd get hired in a heartbeat somewhere else. 657 00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:18,440 Speaker 1: I would defend him getting hired, and you know, wherever Miami. 658 00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:20,800 Speaker 7: Maybe it just got stale in Pittsburgh. 659 00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:24,080 Speaker 1: Right, But first of all, you know, I mean, I 660 00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:28,040 Speaker 1: just I'm watching the same team for seven years. All 661 00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:28,840 Speaker 1: I know is Colin. 662 00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:30,720 Speaker 7: You want to run him out, that's fine. I need 663 00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:33,240 Speaker 7: a plan. I need a concrete plan because you're seeing 664 00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:35,080 Speaker 7: what's happened to Penn State. Can you imagine if that 665 00:32:35,080 --> 00:32:37,040 Speaker 7: happened to the Steelers in the NFL, one of the 666 00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:37,640 Speaker 7: blue bloods. 667 00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:40,240 Speaker 1: It's not gonna happen in the NFL. Your calendar is different. 668 00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:42,520 Speaker 7: Well, I'm just saying no, I mean you you better 669 00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:44,480 Speaker 7: have a plan to hire a coach. You go from 670 00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:47,520 Speaker 7: Mike Tomlin to I don't know, We're you gonna get 671 00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:48,400 Speaker 7: Ryan Dable. 672 00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:51,080 Speaker 1: I'd be good with it. 673 00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:53,320 Speaker 7: We could hire I don't think he's gonna want to 674 00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:54,120 Speaker 7: work with Aaron Rodgers. 675 00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:56,920 Speaker 1: That's for Schwerin's done. He's not gonna work with Aaron. 676 00:32:56,960 --> 00:32:59,040 Speaker 7: The Dable's going there with no quarterback. I'd go to 677 00:32:59,040 --> 00:32:59,440 Speaker 7: Penn State. 678 00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:02,320 Speaker 1: Good quarter back draft. You want a playoff game with 679 00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:05,200 Speaker 1: Daniel Jones, you just spot Boy Jay and C consultings 680 00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:09,440 Speaker 1: falling apart here on our own business Chapter nine, you know, oh, 681 00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:13,760 Speaker 1: chapter eleven, whatever it's called. Jmack with the News. 682 00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:17,320 Speaker 2: Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by The 683 00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:20,800 Speaker 2: Herd Line News. Be sure to catch live editions of 684 00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:24,200 Speaker 2: The Herd weekdays and noon Easter nine am Pacific on 685 00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:29,520 Speaker 2: Fox Sports Radio FS one and the iHeartRadio app well. 686 00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:32,520 Speaker 1: He is the host of the Doomsday Podcast, a Cowboy 687 00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:35,120 Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboy Podcast Cowboys play at to night cover in 688 00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:37,600 Speaker 1: the NFL for twenty four years. He's a friend. Matt 689 00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:40,520 Speaker 1: Moseley is joining us, and he's joining us live good 690 00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:43,760 Speaker 1: days in Dallas. It is amazing between the George Pickens deal, 691 00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:47,800 Speaker 1: the Quinn Williams move, the Mica trade. Suddenly the whole 692 00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:51,840 Speaker 1: world owes Jerry Jones an apology. You cover him. I 693 00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:55,240 Speaker 1: see you whenever there's games and Jerry's talking, I see 694 00:33:55,320 --> 00:33:59,960 Speaker 1: Matt Moseley, the intrepid journalist covering him as Jerry Jerry. 695 00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:04,560 Speaker 1: He's on a streak. He is hot. Is he soaking 696 00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:05,360 Speaker 1: in it right now? 697 00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:10,200 Speaker 6: He very much is. And usually when you see me. 698 00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:13,279 Speaker 6: It's this right, That's what I'm kind of behind him. 699 00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:16,640 Speaker 6: I like, that's my preferred state. Your producers, you know, 700 00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:18,440 Speaker 6: want me to go ahead and take these offs, so 701 00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:21,960 Speaker 6: I do that to honor them. But yeah, Jerry is 702 00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:26,640 Speaker 6: feeling great about things, and boy he is now openly 703 00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:31,719 Speaker 6: talking about the playoffs and it's been an amazing run 704 00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:32,160 Speaker 6: for him. 705 00:34:32,200 --> 00:34:34,279 Speaker 9: And I think this Quinn Williams saying, you. 706 00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:37,719 Speaker 6: Know, it's amazing that Micah is having the kind of 707 00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:40,960 Speaker 6: season he is, and if the Cowboys had continued down 708 00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:44,000 Speaker 6: the path they were going, that would be the overriding story. 709 00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:47,520 Speaker 6: Look at this guy blowing up. He's incredible. And yet 710 00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:52,040 Speaker 6: nobody in conversation around the Cowboys is saying anything about 711 00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:54,799 Speaker 6: Micah because of the trades that Jerry has made. Now. 712 00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:57,959 Speaker 6: I heard y'all talking about Mike Tomlin earlier and whether 713 00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:00,399 Speaker 6: he's Hall of Fame worthy and all of that, But boy, 714 00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:04,160 Speaker 6: Jerry put one on the Steelers, is what it appears, 715 00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:06,720 Speaker 6: and that's now looking like one of the better trades 716 00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:09,719 Speaker 6: of the past five years. Who knows what Pickens will 717 00:35:09,719 --> 00:35:12,960 Speaker 6: be able to do, but Pickens has like literally stepped 718 00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:16,280 Speaker 6: in across from CD Lamb, one of the great receivers 719 00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:19,200 Speaker 6: in the NFL, and Pickens is at least this season, 720 00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:21,240 Speaker 6: clearly the best receiver on the team. 721 00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:24,520 Speaker 9: And he's rehabbed whatever image issues he had. 722 00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:27,359 Speaker 6: And now that's what Jerry has to do is find 723 00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:29,440 Speaker 6: a way to resign this guy. 724 00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:32,760 Speaker 1: Hey, listen, nobody thought Brian Chottenheimer was a strong hire. 725 00:35:33,239 --> 00:35:36,160 Speaker 1: How do you explain his success? Because I'm on the 726 00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:39,200 Speaker 1: group that thought and nobody else was after him. What 727 00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:41,919 Speaker 1: do you think the secret sauce has been with Schottenheimer? 728 00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:43,560 Speaker 1: Dak's playing better than he's ever played. 729 00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:46,920 Speaker 6: Now each day he wakes up and he plays that 730 00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:50,080 Speaker 6: one and done clip that you were saying just to 731 00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:54,759 Speaker 6: motivate himself. Look at him striding out there. You know 732 00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:59,000 Speaker 6: he's way better with the media than Mike. That doesn't 733 00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:01,879 Speaker 6: totally matter you're not winning or losing. But boy, when 734 00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:06,000 Speaker 6: they got on that street and the Marshawn Neeland tragedy, 735 00:36:06,520 --> 00:36:10,320 Speaker 6: the way he handled that. I watched Jason Garrett handle 736 00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:13,600 Speaker 6: a tragedy one time, and that was one of Garrett's 737 00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:14,480 Speaker 6: finest moments. 738 00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:15,680 Speaker 9: Yeah, this was. 739 00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:20,839 Speaker 6: An unbelievable moment for Shottenheimer because it showed his leadership. 740 00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:24,400 Speaker 6: Dak was a great leader too, but Schottenheimer kind of 741 00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:27,960 Speaker 6: drove everything. He's handled it beautifully. And watch out for 742 00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:31,440 Speaker 6: a team that seems to be playing for something. 743 00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:32,440 Speaker 9: Bigger than itself. 744 00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:34,560 Speaker 6: Yeah, and I think some of that's going on with 745 00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:37,400 Speaker 6: these Dallas Cowboys right now in trying to honor their 746 00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:38,440 Speaker 6: fallen teammates. 747 00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:43,799 Speaker 1: You and I have both said Dak Prescott's iq EQ toughness, 748 00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:47,200 Speaker 1: resilience and tangibles have always been a plus plus right 749 00:36:47,239 --> 00:36:49,760 Speaker 1: out of Mississippi State. I always thought he had an 750 00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:53,640 Speaker 1: average arm. You know. I loved all the leadership. I 751 00:36:53,640 --> 00:36:58,040 Speaker 1: didn't know how talented he was. I think he's having 752 00:36:58,080 --> 00:37:00,839 Speaker 1: the best season I've ever seen. I don't know what 753 00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:04,160 Speaker 1: it is me. I don't know what the stats say. 754 00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:05,800 Speaker 1: What do you make of what we're watching. 755 00:37:07,719 --> 00:37:11,359 Speaker 6: I see a marriage between a new head coach we 756 00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:15,120 Speaker 6: were just talking about and this player that has taken off, 757 00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:18,440 Speaker 6: and I feel like they feed off each other. He 758 00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:21,200 Speaker 6: relates better to him, and I think that was already 759 00:37:21,239 --> 00:37:24,600 Speaker 6: the case even when McCarthy was still here. So I 760 00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:27,120 Speaker 6: think that's playing a role, and I just think he 761 00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:30,920 Speaker 6: just feels And again, you have an incredible duo. I 762 00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:34,240 Speaker 6: thought it was great that Pickens took off when CD 763 00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:36,640 Speaker 6: was out and Pickens proved that he could kind of 764 00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:40,480 Speaker 6: do it on his own. I think back also, you 765 00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:42,520 Speaker 6: know when he has a relationship with a tight end 766 00:37:43,080 --> 00:37:45,839 Speaker 6: that that with Ferguson, that's been a beautiful thing. 767 00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:49,080 Speaker 9: But I think he's just I mean, the maturity. 768 00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:51,719 Speaker 6: Is there, it's always been there. But the play and 769 00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:55,080 Speaker 6: how comfortable he is, and also just the maturity of 770 00:37:55,520 --> 00:37:57,760 Speaker 6: even when they get down. Now they can't do that tonight. 771 00:37:57,880 --> 00:38:01,200 Speaker 6: They need to not get off one of those poor stars. 772 00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:03,279 Speaker 6: But even when they were down to the Eagles, even 773 00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:05,720 Speaker 6: when they were down forty one to nothing, the team 774 00:38:06,040 --> 00:38:09,319 Speaker 6: responds to him. He rallies the team, and he's just 775 00:38:09,719 --> 00:38:12,919 Speaker 6: he's in a great place. And in December, by the way, 776 00:38:13,719 --> 00:38:15,719 Speaker 6: twenty one and eight with about a. 777 00:38:15,719 --> 00:38:18,360 Speaker 9: Ninety seven QBR in his career. 778 00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:20,640 Speaker 6: We think because the Cowboys are bad in the playoffs, 779 00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:23,319 Speaker 6: right that, oh man, he's not good at this time 780 00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:26,600 Speaker 6: of year. He's actually really good in December. And I 781 00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:29,960 Speaker 6: hear people saying, boy, this is a playoff game tonight. 782 00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:30,080 Speaker 7: Now. 783 00:38:30,080 --> 00:38:31,719 Speaker 6: I don't know if that's good for the Cowboys. The 784 00:38:31,719 --> 00:38:34,239 Speaker 6: Cowboys should play that part of it down. But the 785 00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:37,600 Speaker 6: Cowboys have been in desperation mode going back three or 786 00:38:37,600 --> 00:38:40,759 Speaker 6: four weeks now, and they seem to be performing really 787 00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:41,840 Speaker 6: well in that mode. 788 00:38:41,960 --> 00:38:44,040 Speaker 9: And if they win tonight, then we can have. 789 00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:46,960 Speaker 6: A serious discussion about the playoffs because it goes up 790 00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:51,200 Speaker 6: there around oh like forty one to forty five percent 791 00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:55,120 Speaker 6: according to all the simulations. 792 00:38:55,480 --> 00:39:00,200 Speaker 1: Okay, I got a minute left. Texas Longhorns probably don't 793 00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:05,200 Speaker 1: make the playoff. Do you think they'll alter their schedule 794 00:39:05,239 --> 00:39:08,120 Speaker 1: and start calling up weaker teams or was that kind 795 00:39:08,120 --> 00:39:10,719 Speaker 1: of a threat that Texas is big and they'll keep 796 00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:11,760 Speaker 1: scheduling big teams. 797 00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:15,200 Speaker 6: Well, they got to play these things out and that'll 798 00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:19,640 Speaker 6: last through like twenty twenty seven. They'll honor those contracts. 799 00:39:19,640 --> 00:39:22,600 Speaker 6: But you're already seeing teams start to pull out of 800 00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:26,600 Speaker 6: these games moving forward, So I think they will respond 801 00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:29,080 Speaker 6: to that. You know, I would just say, before we 802 00:39:29,120 --> 00:39:32,800 Speaker 6: get too caught up in all of that, maybe don't 803 00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:35,239 Speaker 6: go to ot. I mean, they had a kind of 804 00:39:35,239 --> 00:39:38,799 Speaker 6: a miracle to come back and beat Mississippi State. Is 805 00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:41,960 Speaker 6: that a good Missippi State team? It's not Kentucky. They 806 00:39:42,560 --> 00:39:44,600 Speaker 6: had to come back and they had to pull that 807 00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:47,520 Speaker 6: one out in overtime, So give them credit for pulling 808 00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:48,640 Speaker 6: the games out. 809 00:39:48,760 --> 00:39:50,200 Speaker 9: But I would say they. 810 00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:54,600 Speaker 6: Played pretty poorly in about half their games this year. 811 00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:59,360 Speaker 6: So this is not a year some incredible Longhorned team 812 00:39:59,640 --> 00:40:03,120 Speaker 6: is getting left on the sideline. They've had some great wins. 813 00:40:03,280 --> 00:40:05,080 Speaker 6: They've had some great wins and one of the and 814 00:40:05,120 --> 00:40:07,880 Speaker 6: they do well in rivalry games, give them that. I 815 00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:11,839 Speaker 6: mean they put down the great Aggies. Yeah, and they 816 00:40:12,200 --> 00:40:14,960 Speaker 6: had the other one against Oklahoma, But this is not 817 00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:17,960 Speaker 6: one of the great Longhorn teams of all time. 818 00:40:18,400 --> 00:40:21,759 Speaker 1: Love your honesty, Matt Moseley, Cowboy Insider, listen to the 819 00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:25,600 Speaker 1: Doomsday podcast. All right, buddy, you can put the glasses 820 00:40:25,640 --> 00:40:28,200 Speaker 1: back on. I certainly appreciate that. I know your future 821 00:40:28,239 --> 00:40:30,320 Speaker 1: is so bright. You got to wear those shades the 822 00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:32,719 Speaker 1: way it is with Matt Mosley coming up next hour, 823 00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:35,320 Speaker 1: Bruce Felman not in a good mood with the state 824 00:40:35,360 --> 00:40:36,920 Speaker 1: of college football. It's the Herds.