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Speaker 1: It's ready. Are you welcome to stuff Mom Never told you?

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Speaker 1: From House stuff Works dot Com. Hello, and welcome to

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Speaker 1: the podcast. I'm Caroline, and I'm Kristin Um Kristen. I

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Speaker 1: like to donate things to goodwill, not necessarily to help people,

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Speaker 1: although I'm glad that's a part of it, but mainly

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Speaker 1: because I have a tendency to love shopping women women

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Speaker 1: be shopping, Caroline b shopping, Caroline Bie shopping, and I

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Speaker 1: end up buying things that are maybe a little too

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Speaker 1: I think it'll fit better later inexplicably, And so I

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Speaker 1: times that I can just throw stuff into for goodwill,

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Speaker 1: And especially when I move, I end up taking like

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Speaker 1: when you drop those clothes off you're like patting yourself

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Speaker 1: to a better off, to a better place somebody's going

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Speaker 1: to enjoy this and Taylor skirt and where it's to

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Speaker 1: their job. Spoiler alert everybody, We shouldn't be patting ourselves

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Speaker 1: on the back so much because you might be surprised

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Speaker 1: about what happens to all of those clothes. In particular,

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Speaker 1: we're focusing on clothing donations that you might drop off

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Speaker 1: at your local thrift store. And what first caught our

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Speaker 1: attention was a June nineteenth article on Slate which was

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Speaker 1: an excerpt from Elizabeth Klein's book Overdressed, the Shockingly High

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Speaker 1: this enormous salvation army in Brooklyn that processes five tons

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Speaker 1: the holidays, because typically the holidays are when clothing donations

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Speaker 1: will spike. And in this salvation army, they choose eleven

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Speaker 1: thrift stores they've served. And then if things sit on

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Speaker 1: the rack toolong once they're in the stores, they are

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Speaker 1: How is it even possible that people are buying and

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Speaker 1: It boggles the mind because Americans be shopping. We'd be shopping, yeah,

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Speaker 1: and actually you're used clothes end up getting sold most

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Speaker 1: ABC news dot com. Charitable organizations only keep about ten

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Speaker 1: percent of the donations, which is the best quality stuff,

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Speaker 1: the stuff that's not torn or soil, the vintage stuff,

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Speaker 1: the designer label stuff to sell to other Americans. Other

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Speaker 1: other people go into the thrift store or the consignment

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Speaker 1: by the charitable institution to places like textile recycling firms

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Speaker 1: for about five to seven cents per pound. Yeah. According

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Speaker 1: the recycling. The textile recycling industry buys up hundreds of

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Speaker 1: And could think like, all right, well, so it's a

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Speaker 1: That's what we want to to do with our things.

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Speaker 1: And I don't know, they're just like rating our closets

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Speaker 1: we send a lot of clothes to Africa, a lot

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Speaker 1: Um is this a bad thing? Are we? Are we

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Speaker 1: because it seems like it seems like a good cause.

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Speaker 1: A lot of charities focus around sending clothes specifically to Africa.

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Speaker 1: But the thing that we might not realize is that

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Speaker 1: while we might think that we are doing a good

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Speaker 1: this used clothing is flooding African markets, it's actually undercutting

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