1 00:00:02,040 --> 00:00:04,680 Speaker 1: You're listening to the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast DAM 2 00:00:04,800 --> 00:00:09,840 Speaker 1: Paranormal podcast network, where we offer you podcasts of the paranormal, supernatural, 3 00:00:09,960 --> 00:00:13,760 Speaker 1: and the unexplained. Get ready now for Beyond Contact with 4 00:00:13,920 --> 00:00:14,640 Speaker 1: Captain Rong. 5 00:00:21,360 --> 00:00:24,639 Speaker 2: Welcome to our podcast. Please be aware the thoughts and 6 00:00:24,720 --> 00:00:28,680 Speaker 2: opinions expressed by the host are their thoughts and opinions 7 00:00:28,720 --> 00:00:33,920 Speaker 2: only and do not reflect those of iHeartMedia, iHeartRadio, Coast 8 00:00:33,960 --> 00:00:38,400 Speaker 2: to Coast AM, employees of Premiere Networks, or their sponsors 9 00:00:38,400 --> 00:00:41,600 Speaker 2: and associates. We would like to encourage you to do 10 00:00:41,680 --> 00:00:45,280 Speaker 2: your own research and discover the subject matter for yourself. 11 00:00:54,200 --> 00:00:57,680 Speaker 3: Hey everyone, it's Captain Ron and each week on Beyond 12 00:00:57,760 --> 00:01:02,200 Speaker 3: Contact looks for the latest news ufology, discuss some of 13 00:01:02,240 --> 00:01:05,800 Speaker 3: the classic cases and bring you the latest information from 14 00:01:05,840 --> 00:01:08,839 Speaker 3: the newest cases as we talk with the top experts. 15 00:01:10,560 --> 00:01:13,280 Speaker 4: Welcome to Beyond Contact. I'm Captain Ron, and today we're 16 00:01:13,280 --> 00:01:15,480 Speaker 4: going to be speaking with Bryce Zable. Rice is an 17 00:01:15,520 --> 00:01:20,120 Speaker 4: award winning on air journalist for PBSCNN, NBC and he 18 00:01:20,240 --> 00:01:23,160 Speaker 4: is also a writer and producer of many TV shows, 19 00:01:23,200 --> 00:01:26,440 Speaker 4: including the series Dark Skies. He is also the author 20 00:01:26,480 --> 00:01:29,560 Speaker 4: of eleven books and has written and produced shows for 21 00:01:29,640 --> 00:01:33,600 Speaker 4: nearly all the major networks, all the studios, and collaborated 22 00:01:33,600 --> 00:01:37,119 Speaker 4: with talents such as Steven Spielberg, David Kelly, and stan 23 00:01:37,240 --> 00:01:41,640 Speaker 4: Lee on various projects, including various TV series, video games, 24 00:01:41,880 --> 00:01:44,840 Speaker 4: comic books, and web content. Rice is also the co 25 00:01:44,920 --> 00:01:48,240 Speaker 4: host of the popular Need to Know podcast, Hey, Bryce, 26 00:01:48,280 --> 00:01:49,560 Speaker 4: welcome to Beyond Contact. 27 00:01:50,240 --> 00:01:52,720 Speaker 5: I'm great and I'm glad to be here, Ron, although 28 00:01:52,760 --> 00:01:55,440 Speaker 5: I have to say, hearing you describe that makes me 29 00:01:55,600 --> 00:01:59,480 Speaker 5: awfully tired. That sounds like either that or I've lived 30 00:01:59,480 --> 00:02:02,680 Speaker 5: too long one or the other, because you know, I mean, 31 00:02:02,720 --> 00:02:05,960 Speaker 5: I have had an opportunity, which I'm very grateful for 32 00:02:06,280 --> 00:02:10,200 Speaker 5: to have spoken about this topic, the UFO UAP reality 33 00:02:10,240 --> 00:02:13,760 Speaker 5: issue with so many different people over such a protracted 34 00:02:13,880 --> 00:02:15,840 Speaker 5: length of time, and a lot of the people are 35 00:02:15,880 --> 00:02:17,880 Speaker 5: the ones that you don't you know, you don't talk 36 00:02:17,919 --> 00:02:20,560 Speaker 5: to very often. You mentioned stan Lee for example, He 37 00:02:20,600 --> 00:02:24,520 Speaker 5: never when he was around, was certainly not talking about UFOs. 38 00:02:24,560 --> 00:02:28,160 Speaker 5: He would talk about aliens, right and by the way, 39 00:02:28,200 --> 00:02:30,200 Speaker 5: he had a very interesting take on that. He said. 40 00:02:30,520 --> 00:02:32,920 Speaker 5: The way he wrote aliens is if they look like 41 00:02:32,960 --> 00:02:36,480 Speaker 5: they're good, they're bad. If they look like they're bad, 42 00:02:36,800 --> 00:02:39,960 Speaker 5: they're good. And I thought, you know, I've read Marvel 43 00:02:40,000 --> 00:02:43,399 Speaker 5: comics all my life, and that's exactly what he did. 44 00:02:43,560 --> 00:02:47,120 Speaker 5: I said, what do you think about UFOs? And he said, no, no, 45 00:02:47,400 --> 00:02:49,560 Speaker 5: I'm a little skeptical. I don't really know. But he 46 00:02:49,639 --> 00:02:52,160 Speaker 5: did say that one of the guys that worked in 47 00:02:52,240 --> 00:02:55,799 Speaker 5: his Marvel Bullpen I think it was Saul Brodsky, who 48 00:02:55,880 --> 00:02:59,400 Speaker 5: was a close friend, had seen a UFO close and 49 00:02:59,480 --> 00:03:03,040 Speaker 5: personal visit to Las Vegas, and you know, it was 50 00:03:03,040 --> 00:03:06,000 Speaker 5: a classic close encounters thing where the UFO was seen 51 00:03:06,000 --> 00:03:08,920 Speaker 5: in the rearview mirror and then came around and was 52 00:03:08,960 --> 00:03:11,400 Speaker 5: in front of the car. And I said, well, Stan, 53 00:03:11,440 --> 00:03:12,800 Speaker 5: what do you make of that? And he said, I 54 00:03:12,840 --> 00:03:15,919 Speaker 5: really don't know what to make of it, because Salt 55 00:03:15,960 --> 00:03:18,280 Speaker 5: of the Earth guy would never lie about such a thing, 56 00:03:18,400 --> 00:03:20,919 Speaker 5: so I have to have an open mind. But it's 57 00:03:21,280 --> 00:03:24,720 Speaker 5: hundreds of those kinds of conversation that really make me 58 00:03:24,760 --> 00:03:26,160 Speaker 5: feel grateful and fortunate. 59 00:03:26,400 --> 00:03:30,239 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's the culmination of all of these testimonies that 60 00:03:30,280 --> 00:03:32,080 Speaker 4: we've heard over the years. Let me ask you this, 61 00:03:32,120 --> 00:03:34,320 Speaker 4: you know, lately, doesn't it seem you know, you and 62 00:03:34,400 --> 00:03:37,320 Speaker 4: Ross do a show every month and all this information 63 00:03:37,400 --> 00:03:39,560 Speaker 4: comes through. Am I wrong? Or is it the last 64 00:03:39,600 --> 00:03:42,920 Speaker 4: couple of months, we've just been inundated with all this stuff. 65 00:03:42,920 --> 00:03:47,280 Speaker 4: We've got whistleblowers coming out, deathbed confessions, congressional briefings. 66 00:03:47,560 --> 00:03:49,880 Speaker 5: Well, it's an ebb and flow. You're right. I mean, 67 00:03:49,920 --> 00:03:52,760 Speaker 5: if you take the historical perspective, there have been times 68 00:03:52,840 --> 00:03:55,680 Speaker 5: before that seemed a little busy and then slowed down 69 00:03:55,720 --> 00:03:59,720 Speaker 5: and went into decades long troughs. Right now, it seems 70 00:03:59,760 --> 00:04:02,040 Speaker 5: like there is a whole lot going on. And I 71 00:04:02,080 --> 00:04:04,560 Speaker 5: do know that Ross and I tend to record on 72 00:04:04,600 --> 00:04:08,040 Speaker 5: a monthly basis now and would you would say, well, 73 00:04:08,360 --> 00:04:11,600 Speaker 5: you know, maybe maybe you should do it more often. 74 00:04:12,080 --> 00:04:14,800 Speaker 5: We probably should. But when we do it every month, 75 00:04:14,960 --> 00:04:17,039 Speaker 5: we are jam packed with stuff to talk about it, 76 00:04:17,040 --> 00:04:18,800 Speaker 5: and you just went through a few of them. Not 77 00:04:18,920 --> 00:04:21,039 Speaker 5: a day goes by. It seems like where there's not 78 00:04:21,480 --> 00:04:24,479 Speaker 5: something else. And I think the biggest challenge for anyone 79 00:04:24,680 --> 00:04:27,280 Speaker 5: who tries to be on top of this topic is 80 00:04:27,320 --> 00:04:31,080 Speaker 5: to know enough about those various things you just mentioned, 81 00:04:31,120 --> 00:04:33,120 Speaker 5: three or four of them in a row, to know 82 00:04:33,320 --> 00:04:36,160 Speaker 5: enough about what the actual facts are of what's going on, 83 00:04:36,440 --> 00:04:38,960 Speaker 5: and then to check them out enough that you can 84 00:04:39,000 --> 00:04:42,719 Speaker 5: have a valid opinion about it. It's very challenging work, 85 00:04:43,000 --> 00:04:45,240 Speaker 5: and you know, we do get a lot of comments 86 00:04:45,320 --> 00:04:48,039 Speaker 5: on our need to know and a lot of the 87 00:04:48,040 --> 00:04:49,760 Speaker 5: people are like, well, if you guys know so much, 88 00:04:49,760 --> 00:04:52,480 Speaker 5: why don't you just tell us everything you know? And 89 00:04:52,760 --> 00:04:54,880 Speaker 5: let's doesn't work that way, you know, and I wish 90 00:04:54,960 --> 00:04:57,039 Speaker 5: it did, and I wish that we could just do 91 00:04:57,160 --> 00:05:01,680 Speaker 5: that for everybody. But Ross has made any active investigations 92 00:05:01,720 --> 00:05:04,599 Speaker 5: going on, and he does have sources. And the reason 93 00:05:04,720 --> 00:05:07,800 Speaker 5: people talk to Ross Kultalk, for example, is because the 94 00:05:07,800 --> 00:05:10,880 Speaker 5: guy protects his sources, which is sort of how the 95 00:05:10,920 --> 00:05:14,200 Speaker 5: game is played. It's not up to Ross to go 96 00:05:14,279 --> 00:05:17,520 Speaker 5: find a piece of you know, of an alien aircraft 97 00:05:17,640 --> 00:05:21,120 Speaker 5: and then show it around. Other people have that they 98 00:05:21,120 --> 00:05:24,120 Speaker 5: should be coming forward. Rush is reporting on it as 99 00:05:24,320 --> 00:05:27,960 Speaker 5: am I. We like to think of ourselves as commentators 100 00:05:27,960 --> 00:05:33,080 Speaker 5: and analysts, and occasionally, as Ross has done when he's broken, 101 00:05:33,200 --> 00:05:36,360 Speaker 5: like stories like Jake Barber or David Grush, he's acting 102 00:05:36,480 --> 00:05:41,400 Speaker 5: very much as Woodward and Bernstein did. 103 00:05:40,760 --> 00:05:43,360 Speaker 4: Uncover these stories. It's incredible. Let's talk about a couple 104 00:05:43,400 --> 00:05:46,120 Speaker 4: of them. We have this guy, Harold Malgren, come out. 105 00:05:46,400 --> 00:05:49,240 Speaker 4: Now here's a guy. Look at this resume almost as 106 00:05:49,279 --> 00:05:53,240 Speaker 4: impressive as yours. He went to Yale, he went to Oxford. 107 00:05:53,279 --> 00:05:55,800 Speaker 4: He was an advisor to four presidents. He had a 108 00:05:55,880 --> 00:06:00,520 Speaker 4: Q security clearance. He made some incredible claims. He said 109 00:06:00,520 --> 00:06:03,359 Speaker 4: that he saw that nuclear test where they launched a 110 00:06:03,360 --> 00:06:05,520 Speaker 4: missile and it had a tag along craft that was 111 00:06:05,600 --> 00:06:07,680 Speaker 4: kind of like around it, you know what. It immediately 112 00:06:07,720 --> 00:06:12,120 Speaker 4: reminded me. Remember that doctor Robert Jacobs, remember his claims. 113 00:06:12,200 --> 00:06:14,479 Speaker 4: It seems like it was almost the same sort of account, 114 00:06:14,520 --> 00:06:15,040 Speaker 4: didn't it. 115 00:06:15,160 --> 00:06:19,360 Speaker 5: Well, it did, although Malmgrum really sort of first of all, 116 00:06:19,440 --> 00:06:23,200 Speaker 5: let's state the fact he's passed away in February, I believe, 117 00:06:24,160 --> 00:06:27,920 Speaker 5: and in the time before passing away, he not only 118 00:06:28,240 --> 00:06:31,120 Speaker 5: put out a certain amount of posts on x that 119 00:06:31,160 --> 00:06:34,440 Speaker 5: were quite shocking, and then he did that what I 120 00:06:34,480 --> 00:06:38,480 Speaker 5: believe will become a famous interview with Jesse Michaels where 121 00:06:38,480 --> 00:06:41,440 Speaker 5: he shortly before he passed on, he told all the 122 00:06:41,480 --> 00:06:44,960 Speaker 5: things you're talking about, And yeah, I guess it frustrates 123 00:06:45,000 --> 00:06:46,720 Speaker 5: some people to go, well, if he knows so much, 124 00:06:47,120 --> 00:06:50,040 Speaker 5: he should prove it, well, you know what. That's harder 125 00:06:50,279 --> 00:06:53,920 Speaker 5: said than done. I personally, though, found the Maulgrum thing. 126 00:06:54,680 --> 00:06:57,520 Speaker 5: Try to say his name three times very fair. He's 127 00:06:57,600 --> 00:07:01,960 Speaker 5: very difficult, but I actually listen to him with rapt 128 00:07:01,960 --> 00:07:05,000 Speaker 5: attention because many of the things he's talking about we're 129 00:07:05,040 --> 00:07:09,120 Speaker 5: in that Dark Sky's TV series, to the Kennedy UFO connection, 130 00:07:09,800 --> 00:07:14,320 Speaker 5: Majestic twelve being a real thing, Roswell being without question, 131 00:07:15,080 --> 00:07:17,160 Speaker 5: A lot of the things that he was talking about 132 00:07:17,600 --> 00:07:21,320 Speaker 5: really go back to that period where JFK has come 133 00:07:21,360 --> 00:07:26,800 Speaker 5: into office. He's a young guy, he's trusted, he's promoted quickly, 134 00:07:26,880 --> 00:07:31,320 Speaker 5: he's given classification, the Cuban missile crisis hits, he's trusted, 135 00:07:31,360 --> 00:07:35,440 Speaker 5: he's brought into the rooms of power, and if he 136 00:07:35,880 --> 00:07:38,280 Speaker 5: was not a credible witness, then you'd kind of wonder 137 00:07:38,400 --> 00:07:43,680 Speaker 5: why JFK, LBJ, Nixon, and Ford all trusted him. I mean, 138 00:07:44,120 --> 00:07:47,000 Speaker 5: those are four presidents, two on one side of the aisle, 139 00:07:47,040 --> 00:07:49,800 Speaker 5: two on the other. They all trusted him. So, to 140 00:07:49,840 --> 00:07:52,400 Speaker 5: be honest with you, I trust him. I think that 141 00:07:52,520 --> 00:07:56,720 Speaker 5: his testimony, as time goes on, will become something that 142 00:07:56,880 --> 00:08:00,680 Speaker 5: is in the revised history books. And believe me, little horse, 143 00:08:00,680 --> 00:08:04,120 Speaker 5: that I ride these history books. Someday run and someday 144 00:08:04,240 --> 00:08:07,120 Speaker 5: soon somebody's going to have to rewrite them all because 145 00:08:07,240 --> 00:08:11,280 Speaker 5: there's this hidden history that is sort of flowing throughout 146 00:08:11,360 --> 00:08:14,560 Speaker 5: the actual history as we think we know it. 147 00:08:15,160 --> 00:08:18,640 Speaker 4: Okay, well you've touched exactly on what drives me crazy. See, 148 00:08:18,680 --> 00:08:22,400 Speaker 4: most of the people seem to just dismiss a report 149 00:08:22,440 --> 00:08:25,040 Speaker 4: from a guy like this. Let me prove it. He's 150 00:08:25,080 --> 00:08:28,080 Speaker 4: not going to have a piece of the spacecraft or 151 00:08:28,120 --> 00:08:31,800 Speaker 4: an arm of an alien. But I think his first 152 00:08:31,800 --> 00:08:36,840 Speaker 4: hand testimony is a type of proof. Right, This is 153 00:08:36,880 --> 00:08:39,280 Speaker 4: my frustration. I get it when you see some crazy 154 00:08:39,280 --> 00:08:42,520 Speaker 4: guy screaming on the street the aliens are here, Oh 155 00:08:42,559 --> 00:08:47,000 Speaker 4: you know, Okay, fine, but this guy is beyond reproach. 156 00:08:47,080 --> 00:08:50,000 Speaker 4: Look at that resume. He's an incredibly high ranking guy. 157 00:08:50,280 --> 00:08:53,120 Speaker 4: He's been trusted, he's been in all these governments. And 158 00:08:53,200 --> 00:08:56,400 Speaker 4: if he's saying that this is true, why don't more 159 00:08:56,440 --> 00:09:00,880 Speaker 4: people take this serious? You worked on network team. Why 160 00:09:00,960 --> 00:09:03,719 Speaker 4: is this not the lead story on every channel at night? 161 00:09:03,800 --> 00:09:06,720 Speaker 5: You know, it's a great question, and I wish I 162 00:09:06,800 --> 00:09:10,160 Speaker 5: had a great answer. I do know that in my 163 00:09:10,320 --> 00:09:12,880 Speaker 5: I've sort of had serial careers. My first career was 164 00:09:12,920 --> 00:09:16,280 Speaker 5: in broadcast television. I was a CNN correspondent. I was 165 00:09:16,320 --> 00:09:20,160 Speaker 5: a PBS investigative reporter. I worked in local markets and 166 00:09:20,200 --> 00:09:23,600 Speaker 5: I would often pitch UFOs I knew something about it, 167 00:09:23,679 --> 00:09:25,679 Speaker 5: not as much as I do now, but I thought 168 00:09:26,000 --> 00:09:28,120 Speaker 5: this is a good story. We should, you know, go 169 00:09:28,200 --> 00:09:31,640 Speaker 5: out and look into it. I never could find any takers. 170 00:09:31,679 --> 00:09:34,240 Speaker 5: This was a long time ago. Now, of course there 171 00:09:34,280 --> 00:09:36,760 Speaker 5: are people that will cover it, but quite often they 172 00:09:36,800 --> 00:09:39,800 Speaker 5: still cover it in the what I call the model 173 00:09:39,840 --> 00:09:42,439 Speaker 5: of some say yes, some say no, we say maybe 174 00:09:42,880 --> 00:09:46,320 Speaker 5: kind of journalism. And really there are more facts out there. 175 00:09:46,360 --> 00:09:49,160 Speaker 5: But just go back to Harold Molmgram for just one second. 176 00:09:49,640 --> 00:09:53,000 Speaker 5: He died shortly after that interview. And I know that 177 00:09:53,080 --> 00:09:55,280 Speaker 5: in the interview he did say that he was pretty 178 00:09:55,320 --> 00:09:57,200 Speaker 5: healthy and he thought he'd be around a while. But 179 00:09:57,320 --> 00:10:01,880 Speaker 5: it still is a deathbed because he died right after it, 180 00:10:01,960 --> 00:10:04,560 Speaker 5: all right, So whether he thought he was healthy or 181 00:10:04,920 --> 00:10:07,400 Speaker 5: didn't think he was healthy, he knew that there were 182 00:10:07,400 --> 00:10:09,760 Speaker 5: a lot fewer days ahead of him than behind him, 183 00:10:09,800 --> 00:10:10,440 Speaker 5: by a lot. 184 00:10:11,080 --> 00:10:14,480 Speaker 4: And here's a guy who confided in his daughter and said, 185 00:10:14,920 --> 00:10:18,880 Speaker 4: I've seen footage of living extraterrestrial beings from the Roswell incident, 186 00:10:19,200 --> 00:10:22,959 Speaker 4: and he believed that some other UFO crashes involved biologics. 187 00:10:23,160 --> 00:10:27,280 Speaker 4: So that's quite a big, big, big piece of testimony 188 00:10:27,360 --> 00:10:29,240 Speaker 4: right there. We need to take a quick break, Brice. 189 00:10:29,280 --> 00:10:30,640 Speaker 4: When we come back, we're going to talk to you 190 00:10:30,720 --> 00:10:34,840 Speaker 4: more and get your thoughts on another recent whistleblower, a 191 00:10:34,880 --> 00:10:37,760 Speaker 4: gentleman from NASA. As a matter of fact, you're listening 192 00:10:37,800 --> 00:10:40,360 Speaker 4: to Beyond Contact on the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast 193 00:10:40,400 --> 00:10:58,840 Speaker 4: AM Paranormal podcast network. We are back on Beyond Contacts, 194 00:10:58,840 --> 00:11:01,720 Speaker 4: Captain Ron. Here we're talking with Bryce's Abel. Hey. Bryce. 195 00:11:01,800 --> 00:11:06,000 Speaker 4: Another guy came forward recently. It's doctor Gregory Rogers, who 196 00:11:06,040 --> 00:11:09,640 Speaker 4: was a former NASA Chief flight surgeon and Air Force 197 00:11:09,720 --> 00:11:12,360 Speaker 4: major who claims to have seen footage of a twenty 198 00:11:12,360 --> 00:11:16,120 Speaker 4: foot wide flying saucer with a US Air Force logo 199 00:11:16,800 --> 00:11:19,000 Speaker 4: in a military hangar in nineteen ninety two. What are 200 00:11:19,040 --> 00:11:20,160 Speaker 4: your thoughts about this case? 201 00:11:21,240 --> 00:11:23,600 Speaker 5: I wish I knew more as you point it out, 202 00:11:23,640 --> 00:11:25,800 Speaker 5: and we talked about it at the beginning. Sometimes this 203 00:11:25,880 --> 00:11:28,760 Speaker 5: stuff comes at you so fast. It's like literally trying 204 00:11:28,760 --> 00:11:30,800 Speaker 5: to trying to take a drink from a fire hose. 205 00:11:30,880 --> 00:11:33,840 Speaker 5: It's just it's too much. I'm aware of the case, 206 00:11:34,160 --> 00:11:37,160 Speaker 5: I'm aware of who he is. I don't think I'm 207 00:11:37,200 --> 00:11:40,240 Speaker 5: aware enough to actually say you gotta believe this guy 208 00:11:40,400 --> 00:11:45,320 Speaker 5: or not, but it's profoundly interesting. If there is craft 209 00:11:45,400 --> 00:11:50,560 Speaker 5: inside locations that have the US insignia on it, what 210 00:11:50,600 --> 00:11:53,840 Speaker 5: does that say. Well, first, it says there are alien 211 00:11:53,920 --> 00:11:57,719 Speaker 5: reproduction vehicles or ARVs. It would definitely say that. Who 212 00:11:57,720 --> 00:12:02,520 Speaker 5: would also say that we've probably we've been successful somewhat, 213 00:12:02,559 --> 00:12:06,040 Speaker 5: if maybe not more so on the reverse engineering of 214 00:12:06,080 --> 00:12:10,080 Speaker 5: some of these downcraft that we are alleged to have 215 00:12:10,400 --> 00:12:13,560 Speaker 5: gotten our hands on. So he's not the only person 216 00:12:13,600 --> 00:12:17,040 Speaker 5: from NASA. NASA is interesting as a case because a 217 00:12:17,040 --> 00:12:19,840 Speaker 5: lot of people call it NASA never a straight answer. 218 00:12:19,960 --> 00:12:22,760 Speaker 5: That used to be the joke about NASA, and officially 219 00:12:23,160 --> 00:12:26,480 Speaker 5: it kind of has been. But unofficially there have been 220 00:12:26,559 --> 00:12:32,120 Speaker 5: NASA workers who have retired or whatever who have spoken 221 00:12:32,160 --> 00:12:34,960 Speaker 5: out more on it, and there have been NASA people 222 00:12:35,160 --> 00:12:38,320 Speaker 5: who I think have told their story, but not an 223 00:12:38,320 --> 00:12:39,520 Speaker 5: official capacity. 224 00:12:40,200 --> 00:12:43,040 Speaker 4: Okay. Another interesting thing that just recently happened is how 225 00:12:43,120 --> 00:12:48,480 Speaker 4: put Off another resume for the Ages. My god, he 226 00:12:48,679 --> 00:12:53,000 Speaker 4: stated that the US has more than ten recovered craft 227 00:12:53,200 --> 00:12:57,280 Speaker 4: of non human origin. That's a really serious, important guy 228 00:12:57,800 --> 00:13:02,120 Speaker 4: publicly making this claim. You know, that's just the way 229 00:13:02,160 --> 00:13:03,120 Speaker 4: it is. Matter of fact. 230 00:13:03,840 --> 00:13:08,080 Speaker 5: It's very interesting. Help put Off and some others like him, 231 00:13:08,640 --> 00:13:12,360 Speaker 5: for many years help. Put Off has chosen his words 232 00:13:12,520 --> 00:13:16,080 Speaker 5: very very carefully right that he would go up to 233 00:13:16,280 --> 00:13:19,240 Speaker 5: the water and put a toe in it, but he 234 00:13:19,280 --> 00:13:23,479 Speaker 5: wouldn't dive in. Now, when he says something like that, 235 00:13:23,480 --> 00:13:26,040 Speaker 5: that's my definition of jumping in the lake. I mean, 236 00:13:27,200 --> 00:13:30,840 Speaker 5: there's nothing walk backable about what he just said. We've 237 00:13:30,840 --> 00:13:34,040 Speaker 5: either got them or we don't. And a man of 238 00:13:34,080 --> 00:13:39,120 Speaker 5: his credibility and end credits saying it carries a lot 239 00:13:39,160 --> 00:13:46,080 Speaker 5: of weight, and I it's cross referenced. I guess here's 240 00:13:46,120 --> 00:13:48,640 Speaker 5: what I would say what hal put Off said. If 241 00:13:48,720 --> 00:13:52,520 Speaker 5: it was by himself saying it, it would still be 242 00:13:52,600 --> 00:13:54,560 Speaker 5: a great story, and you and I could still kick 243 00:13:54,600 --> 00:13:57,320 Speaker 5: it around and say, well, that's pretty interesting. On the 244 00:13:57,320 --> 00:14:00,440 Speaker 5: other hand, he's not the only guy saying it. Now, 245 00:14:01,160 --> 00:14:03,840 Speaker 5: maybe you know, there's different people saying different pieces of it, 246 00:14:03,880 --> 00:14:08,160 Speaker 5: but from David Grush to Loue Elizondo to you know others, 247 00:14:08,240 --> 00:14:13,560 Speaker 5: many multiple others, Jakes Barber and others. It's true that 248 00:14:13,640 --> 00:14:15,960 Speaker 5: you can take any one of them and try to 249 00:14:16,000 --> 00:14:19,680 Speaker 5: take them down. You can do the skeptical thing. But 250 00:14:19,960 --> 00:14:23,160 Speaker 5: when they all seem to be talking about things like that, 251 00:14:23,280 --> 00:14:26,400 Speaker 5: and we're talking about Carl Nell and we're talking about, 252 00:14:26,640 --> 00:14:30,720 Speaker 5: you know, Gary Nolan and others. There's just a lot 253 00:14:30,760 --> 00:14:34,240 Speaker 5: of people in this chorus of crash wreckage. And remember 254 00:14:34,560 --> 00:14:39,240 Speaker 5: even leslie Kin and Ralph Blumenthal in their follow up 255 00:14:39,280 --> 00:14:43,200 Speaker 5: to the December twenty seventeen article in the New York Times, 256 00:14:43,520 --> 00:14:47,600 Speaker 5: we're talking about crash wreckage. It's so interesting to me, though, 257 00:14:47,800 --> 00:14:50,960 Speaker 5: because here's the thing. When I was a kid growing up, 258 00:14:51,480 --> 00:14:54,200 Speaker 5: I was willing to believe there might be flying saucers 259 00:14:54,240 --> 00:14:56,520 Speaker 5: out there, right. I mean, but it was kind of 260 00:14:56,520 --> 00:14:59,720 Speaker 5: an academic question. But if anybody said there is anybody 261 00:14:59,760 --> 00:15:02,720 Speaker 5: being abducted, I mean, get out of here. And if 262 00:15:02,760 --> 00:15:05,680 Speaker 5: you were going to say that we actually had crash wreckage, 263 00:15:05,960 --> 00:15:09,360 Speaker 5: forget about it. Those seem to be over the red 264 00:15:09,440 --> 00:15:13,840 Speaker 5: line of possibility. And these days that's not true at all. 265 00:15:14,240 --> 00:15:16,360 Speaker 5: And so I think it means that we need to 266 00:15:16,360 --> 00:15:18,360 Speaker 5: look back in history at the people who were talking 267 00:15:18,400 --> 00:15:21,520 Speaker 5: about crash wreckage, going back in the day, and re 268 00:15:21,680 --> 00:15:26,280 Speaker 5: examine some of their statements, because it turns out there's 269 00:15:26,360 --> 00:15:27,000 Speaker 5: truth to it. 270 00:15:27,720 --> 00:15:30,080 Speaker 4: For like all this comes out, you can imagine how 271 00:15:30,160 --> 00:15:32,200 Speaker 4: many cases we're going to go back and re examine, 272 00:15:32,240 --> 00:15:35,560 Speaker 4: and all these people that were deemed crazy or dismissed 273 00:15:35,640 --> 00:15:41,320 Speaker 4: or whatever. And again, what I struggle with personally, genuinely 274 00:15:41,480 --> 00:15:45,320 Speaker 4: in this world is the we all agree how put 275 00:15:45,360 --> 00:15:48,960 Speaker 4: off is beyond reproach. This guy's resume is incredible. I 276 00:15:49,040 --> 00:15:52,880 Speaker 4: always point to John Mack or Ave Lobe. These guys 277 00:15:52,880 --> 00:15:56,040 Speaker 4: get to the top of their class at Harvard, they 278 00:15:56,080 --> 00:15:59,680 Speaker 4: get to be, you know, a professor at this esteem school, 279 00:16:00,080 --> 00:16:02,800 Speaker 4: and they're the greatest, and then they talk about this issue, 280 00:16:03,240 --> 00:16:05,320 Speaker 4: and well, they don't know what they're talking about. Why 281 00:16:05,360 --> 00:16:09,280 Speaker 4: do we dismiss that? Why why do we not You know, 282 00:16:09,400 --> 00:16:13,560 Speaker 4: there's a reason people have these resumes and this respect. 283 00:16:13,880 --> 00:16:16,160 Speaker 4: They've earned that respect. So then when they say something, 284 00:16:16,240 --> 00:16:17,840 Speaker 4: why don't we take it? 285 00:16:17,920 --> 00:16:24,120 Speaker 5: I really don't understand. It's a great question. We should 286 00:16:24,240 --> 00:16:28,000 Speaker 5: pay more attention, but every specifically, like John Mack, for example. 287 00:16:28,040 --> 00:16:31,240 Speaker 5: I just read Ralph Blumenthal's book about John Knack, The Believer, 288 00:16:32,920 --> 00:16:35,920 Speaker 5: and you do realize that John Mack lived in a 289 00:16:35,960 --> 00:16:40,000 Speaker 5: glasshouse of a kind, right, I mean he was believing 290 00:16:40,040 --> 00:16:43,400 Speaker 5: a lot of other paranormal things and talking about things 291 00:16:43,440 --> 00:16:46,600 Speaker 5: in a way that caused people concern about him. So 292 00:16:46,720 --> 00:16:51,800 Speaker 5: by himself maybe not particularly the perfect guy, and yet 293 00:16:51,840 --> 00:16:56,400 Speaker 5: he's found the same kind of he tried to put 294 00:16:56,440 --> 00:16:59,920 Speaker 5: some academic rigor into what, say, David Jacobs was doing, 295 00:17:00,320 --> 00:17:08,399 Speaker 5: and what my gosh, yeah, but Hopkins exactly. These guys 296 00:17:09,119 --> 00:17:12,240 Speaker 5: didn't have the same academic well, I guess Jacobs did have. 297 00:17:12,440 --> 00:17:16,040 Speaker 5: He had that academic grigor as well. And so you 298 00:17:16,119 --> 00:17:17,720 Speaker 5: start to have to look at it and go, okay, well, 299 00:17:17,800 --> 00:17:20,560 Speaker 5: let's not pick the pieces apart, but take as a 300 00:17:20,560 --> 00:17:23,400 Speaker 5: whole what these people all seem to be saying. They 301 00:17:23,400 --> 00:17:26,520 Speaker 5: come down in different places on this subduction thing. Some 302 00:17:26,600 --> 00:17:30,119 Speaker 5: of them say it's a physical reality. Some of them say, 303 00:17:30,320 --> 00:17:32,440 Speaker 5: I don't know if it's a physical reality, but it's 304 00:17:32,440 --> 00:17:35,359 Speaker 5: a mental reality to all these people. Why is that? 305 00:17:35,680 --> 00:17:39,280 Speaker 5: You know, what is really going on here? And the 306 00:17:40,760 --> 00:17:43,240 Speaker 5: heart of the question you just raised those why when 307 00:17:43,280 --> 00:17:46,800 Speaker 5: somebody with good credentials comes out and says something, do 308 00:17:46,880 --> 00:17:50,280 Speaker 5: we have to act like, oh, well, now you've crossed 309 00:17:50,640 --> 00:17:53,440 Speaker 5: the red line. Now we can't believe anything you say. 310 00:17:54,160 --> 00:17:59,080 Speaker 5: And it's been that way going back almost eight decades. 311 00:18:00,119 --> 00:18:04,520 Speaker 5: Let's remember that denial and ridicule has been in essence 312 00:18:04,600 --> 00:18:10,080 Speaker 5: the government's policy from nearly the jump. Even in Roswell, 313 00:18:10,160 --> 00:18:13,119 Speaker 5: it was first they admitted that it was real, and 314 00:18:13,160 --> 00:18:16,240 Speaker 5: then that within hours they said, no, it's a weather balloon. 315 00:18:17,440 --> 00:18:20,240 Speaker 5: But the I here's what I would say. These twin 316 00:18:20,320 --> 00:18:24,399 Speaker 5: pillars of secrecy are denial and ridicule. All right, fine, 317 00:18:24,440 --> 00:18:27,119 Speaker 5: I get it. One say it didn't happen, nothing to 318 00:18:27,160 --> 00:18:29,720 Speaker 5: see here, And the other is, and if you saw it, 319 00:18:29,800 --> 00:18:33,320 Speaker 5: what were you drinking? Right? What were you smoking? What 320 00:18:33,440 --> 00:18:33,679 Speaker 5: you know? 321 00:18:33,720 --> 00:18:34,600 Speaker 4: What about all that? 322 00:18:35,280 --> 00:18:39,879 Speaker 5: And here's the thing, ron it worked right. So I 323 00:18:40,359 --> 00:18:43,119 Speaker 5: even though I believe that the people who have tried 324 00:18:43,160 --> 00:18:46,000 Speaker 5: to sort of keep a lid on this whole thing 325 00:18:46,400 --> 00:18:48,239 Speaker 5: have spent a lot of money trying to do it, 326 00:18:48,600 --> 00:18:51,720 Speaker 5: the truth of the matter, in my opinion right now, 327 00:18:52,040 --> 00:18:55,760 Speaker 5: is that the majority of the denial and ridic the 328 00:18:55,800 --> 00:19:00,439 Speaker 5: majority of the ridicule, comes from us. We ridicule our 329 00:19:00,480 --> 00:19:05,320 Speaker 5: own people, We ridicule other civilians, We ridicule other researchers 330 00:19:05,359 --> 00:19:08,840 Speaker 5: for doing it because it worked, and why would it work? 331 00:19:08,920 --> 00:19:11,959 Speaker 5: It works for one reason. You know a lot about this. 332 00:19:12,119 --> 00:19:14,000 Speaker 5: I know a lot about this, Your listeners know a 333 00:19:14,080 --> 00:19:17,760 Speaker 5: lot about this. And yet don't you Sometimes, when you're 334 00:19:17,800 --> 00:19:20,280 Speaker 5: falling asleep at night, say to yourself. 335 00:19:20,040 --> 00:19:22,520 Speaker 4: This just can't all be true. It's crazy. 336 00:19:24,240 --> 00:19:26,720 Speaker 5: You still think that no matter how much you know, 337 00:19:27,160 --> 00:19:31,760 Speaker 5: because there's something in our humanity that makes us go 338 00:19:31,920 --> 00:19:35,360 Speaker 5: I don't know, I just it feels too hard to accept. 339 00:19:35,560 --> 00:19:37,600 Speaker 4: Well, it's hard to believe, but there's something. I don't 340 00:19:37,640 --> 00:19:39,320 Speaker 4: know what it is, but there's something. We need to 341 00:19:39,320 --> 00:19:41,200 Speaker 4: take a break again, Bryce, we're going to come back, 342 00:19:41,400 --> 00:19:42,720 Speaker 4: and when we come back, we're going to talk to 343 00:19:42,760 --> 00:19:45,360 Speaker 4: you about the whistleblower that you mentioned, Jake Barber. Let's 344 00:19:45,359 --> 00:19:47,800 Speaker 4: find out more about that case. You're listening to Beyond 345 00:19:47,800 --> 00:19:50,960 Speaker 4: Contact on the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal 346 00:19:51,000 --> 00:20:13,080 Speaker 4: Podcast Network. We're back on Beyond Contact. Captain Ron here 347 00:20:13,119 --> 00:20:15,919 Speaker 4: speaking with Bryce Abel. Bryce. The other big witness to 348 00:20:15,920 --> 00:20:19,119 Speaker 4: come forward was Jake Barber. You know, he stated that 349 00:20:19,320 --> 00:20:24,320 Speaker 4: he was contracted to retrieve various craft, including both conventional 350 00:20:24,359 --> 00:20:28,560 Speaker 4: military technology and objects of an exotic nature which they 351 00:20:28,680 --> 00:20:31,760 Speaker 4: think are non human. What do you think about that 352 00:20:31,840 --> 00:20:32,359 Speaker 4: whole case? 353 00:20:33,160 --> 00:20:36,399 Speaker 5: Well, if there are indeed crashes that have been retrieved, 354 00:20:37,160 --> 00:20:40,280 Speaker 5: then probably there have been people like Jake Barber who 355 00:20:40,359 --> 00:20:44,199 Speaker 5: retrieved them. So on just that level alone, you'd have 356 00:20:44,280 --> 00:20:46,920 Speaker 5: to say, well, you have to listen to the guy carefully. Now, 357 00:20:47,440 --> 00:20:50,160 Speaker 5: I had a first person encounter with David Grush when 358 00:20:50,280 --> 00:20:53,160 Speaker 5: Ross Coltart broke that story, and I was lucky enough 359 00:20:53,200 --> 00:20:56,040 Speaker 5: to be there before even told it to News Nation 360 00:20:56,480 --> 00:20:58,399 Speaker 5: or to the Congress, and I heard it and I 361 00:20:58,440 --> 00:21:00,240 Speaker 5: was able to look in the guy's eyes and what 362 00:21:00,280 --> 00:21:03,159 Speaker 5: he said and form my own opinions. I didn't have 363 00:21:03,200 --> 00:21:06,680 Speaker 5: that situation with Jake Barber. I watched it like most 364 00:21:06,680 --> 00:21:10,879 Speaker 5: people when when the story broke, and it was less 365 00:21:10,920 --> 00:21:14,200 Speaker 5: airtight to me watching it. There was just something about it, 366 00:21:15,400 --> 00:21:20,560 Speaker 5: the video of the of the egg craft not being 367 00:21:20,720 --> 00:21:23,600 Speaker 5: the one that they were actually talking about. There's just 368 00:21:23,680 --> 00:21:27,639 Speaker 5: a few things. And I know Ross vouches one hundred 369 00:21:27,640 --> 00:21:32,600 Speaker 5: percent for Jake Barber, and so I trust Ross deeply, 370 00:21:33,080 --> 00:21:35,639 Speaker 5: and so if he believes that, I believe it. But 371 00:21:36,240 --> 00:21:38,520 Speaker 5: I can see why there is a little more pushback 372 00:21:38,560 --> 00:21:40,960 Speaker 5: on it now. On the other hand, you got Jake 373 00:21:41,000 --> 00:21:44,720 Speaker 5: Barber and his crowd doing this skywatcher thing where they're 374 00:21:44,760 --> 00:21:47,520 Speaker 5: out in the desert at the range they call it, 375 00:21:47,800 --> 00:21:51,560 Speaker 5: and they're saying they're able to call these craft or 376 00:21:51,560 --> 00:21:56,000 Speaker 5: these orbs or whatever, and they can call them with 377 00:21:56,040 --> 00:22:00,080 Speaker 5: one hundred percent success in having them show up. Okay, 378 00:22:00,240 --> 00:22:03,760 Speaker 5: that's either true or it's false. If it's false, it'll 379 00:22:03,760 --> 00:22:07,280 Speaker 5: fall away, and you know, this will just be another 380 00:22:07,359 --> 00:22:09,800 Speaker 5: thing that you and I talked about five years from now, 381 00:22:09,800 --> 00:22:12,560 Speaker 5: and we'll go do you remember what was his name? Jake, 382 00:22:13,320 --> 00:22:16,640 Speaker 5: and and that'll be that. But if it's true, then 383 00:22:16,920 --> 00:22:20,040 Speaker 5: I would say, not only will it help prove the case, 384 00:22:20,400 --> 00:22:25,720 Speaker 5: but it'll raise a lot of disturbing questions. What anomalous 385 00:22:26,160 --> 00:22:30,119 Speaker 5: non human intelligence is hanging around waiting for humans to 386 00:22:30,240 --> 00:22:30,680 Speaker 5: call them. 387 00:22:31,040 --> 00:22:33,080 Speaker 4: It's really a leap. You know, you said a very 388 00:22:33,119 --> 00:22:35,679 Speaker 4: interesting thing earlier, when you were younger. You said that 389 00:22:35,800 --> 00:22:38,399 Speaker 4: you believe in the UFO thing. But then it became 390 00:22:38,560 --> 00:22:40,840 Speaker 4: abduction was a little bit of a bridge too far, 391 00:22:41,000 --> 00:22:44,280 Speaker 4: and then the next level was a red line for you, 392 00:22:44,359 --> 00:22:49,080 Speaker 4: like that, that's past possibility. While I was watching this 393 00:22:49,280 --> 00:22:53,479 Speaker 4: live the very first time it aired, I was on board, 394 00:22:53,560 --> 00:22:56,560 Speaker 4: this is cool, this is interesting. Yes, yes, yes, yes. 395 00:22:57,000 --> 00:23:01,000 Speaker 4: And then they got to the psionics section and they said, well, 396 00:23:01,240 --> 00:23:04,840 Speaker 4: there are individuals here who are talking to the craft 397 00:23:05,160 --> 00:23:10,359 Speaker 4: and piloting them, right, that is another level of reach. 398 00:23:10,600 --> 00:23:12,800 Speaker 4: That made me kind of go, okay, well, this is 399 00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:16,359 Speaker 4: my red line. That's that is really hard for me 400 00:23:16,440 --> 00:23:19,359 Speaker 4: to accept. Number One, I've never heard that before. Never 401 00:23:19,760 --> 00:23:22,399 Speaker 4: I've heard of CE five and people claiming they're able to, 402 00:23:23,359 --> 00:23:25,440 Speaker 4: you know, call them in if you will. That's that's 403 00:23:25,480 --> 00:23:28,159 Speaker 4: sort of been in the subculture for years. Saying that 404 00:23:28,200 --> 00:23:31,920 Speaker 4: we're driving them is just another whole level, and I 405 00:23:32,040 --> 00:23:35,080 Speaker 4: think probably lost a lot of the mainstream audience who 406 00:23:35,080 --> 00:23:36,679 Speaker 4: went that's just a bridge too far from me. 407 00:23:37,040 --> 00:23:39,640 Speaker 5: Well, I think there's a couple of things to unpack 408 00:23:39,680 --> 00:23:43,720 Speaker 5: in that. First. I think, you know, all due credit 409 00:23:43,760 --> 00:23:47,640 Speaker 5: to my pal Ross, the actual show around Jake Parber 410 00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:52,280 Speaker 5: was less successful than the show around David Grush because 411 00:23:52,280 --> 00:23:55,480 Speaker 5: it was too much to say, Okay, we've just barely 412 00:23:55,560 --> 00:23:58,600 Speaker 5: touched on the retrieval stuff, but now we're going into psionics. 413 00:23:58,880 --> 00:24:03,000 Speaker 5: That's too much. And I think that that bothered people, 414 00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:07,280 Speaker 5: and I think that that's so true. On the other hand, 415 00:24:07,640 --> 00:24:09,840 Speaker 5: here's the thing. You have to keep an open mind 416 00:24:09,840 --> 00:24:13,200 Speaker 5: about a lot of things, because either there are non 417 00:24:13,280 --> 00:24:19,600 Speaker 5: human intelligences that exist and there are anomaloust craft that exist, 418 00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:25,320 Speaker 5: or there aren't. Okay, if they do exist, it's very 419 00:24:25,320 --> 00:24:28,080 Speaker 5: clear we don't know everything about them, or at least 420 00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:31,120 Speaker 5: you and I don't, and our friends and family who 421 00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:34,119 Speaker 5: talk to us about it and other researchers. If there 422 00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:37,040 Speaker 5: are people that know everything about this, I don't know 423 00:24:37,080 --> 00:24:39,240 Speaker 5: who they are, and they haven't talked to me yet. 424 00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:41,880 Speaker 5: I hope they will someday. And so as a consequence, 425 00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:46,960 Speaker 5: we're sort of left in that gray area where you know, 426 00:24:47,040 --> 00:24:50,959 Speaker 5: the frustration that you and I both feel is legitimate, 427 00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:52,959 Speaker 5: and so is the people that listen to us, and 428 00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:55,520 Speaker 5: people you know, I could see some people listening and saying, 429 00:24:55,680 --> 00:24:57,679 Speaker 5: I wish the's able would just come up and just, 430 00:24:58,080 --> 00:25:00,560 Speaker 5: you know, show me the evidence or show me this, 431 00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:02,919 Speaker 5: or show me the money or whatever it is, and 432 00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:05,760 Speaker 5: believe me, we're all trying, but it's let me. I 433 00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:08,840 Speaker 5: just put it this way. If you're a pilot and 434 00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:13,360 Speaker 5: you take a picture of an anomalous craft a military pilot, 435 00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:17,200 Speaker 5: you don't get to keep it right, so somebody else 436 00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:19,800 Speaker 5: is taking it. So don't yell at me because I 437 00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:22,800 Speaker 5: don't have that photo. I didn't take it, I didn't 438 00:25:22,840 --> 00:25:26,119 Speaker 5: take it away, I didn't classify it. Other people did that. 439 00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:31,159 Speaker 5: So I do have confidence that when the gates start 440 00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:34,760 Speaker 5: to be breached here on the secrecy, and I'd say 441 00:25:34,760 --> 00:25:37,800 Speaker 5: they're already starting clearly based on the content of what 442 00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:40,159 Speaker 5: we're trying but when they're really kicked down, when the 443 00:25:40,680 --> 00:25:44,719 Speaker 5: gate is broken down and we're all pouring in, at 444 00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:46,879 Speaker 5: that point, a lot of things are going to happen. 445 00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:50,640 Speaker 5: The media will finally wake up and have entire teams 446 00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:54,120 Speaker 5: doing nothing but trying to resolve this, and you'll see 447 00:25:54,320 --> 00:25:58,119 Speaker 5: politicians trying to not just a few, but the majority, 448 00:25:58,520 --> 00:26:02,359 Speaker 5: trying to understand what's going on. And ironically, you would 449 00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:05,440 Speaker 5: think that an event such as actually understanding that we're 450 00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:09,680 Speaker 5: not alone would lead us all to not exactly maybe 451 00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:12,800 Speaker 5: a Kumbaya moment, but at least a moment where all 452 00:26:12,840 --> 00:26:16,120 Speaker 5: these dissensions we have would make us say, well, don't 453 00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:18,760 Speaker 5: we really have more in common with each other than 454 00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:23,119 Speaker 5: necessarily somebody who's non human, and shouldn't we shouldn't we 455 00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:25,640 Speaker 5: do more about that? And yet I would still say 456 00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:29,159 Speaker 5: to you, Ron, when this happens, there's going to the 457 00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:33,159 Speaker 5: political parties will take different positions on it, they'll be 458 00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:37,479 Speaker 5: still fighting about it. And yet, and yet, at the 459 00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:42,159 Speaker 5: bottom of this deep mystery are some facts. And you know, 460 00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:45,200 Speaker 5: it's interesting to hear you say the idea that there 461 00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:48,760 Speaker 5: that we might pilot some of these or that or 462 00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:51,720 Speaker 5: any of that. Yeah, a lot of this is shocking. 463 00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:55,000 Speaker 5: And I think what we are witnessing is that over 464 00:26:55,080 --> 00:26:58,359 Speaker 5: eight decades there's been a lot of disinformation. That is 465 00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:00,760 Speaker 5: one thing we learned how to do World War Two, 466 00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:04,720 Speaker 5: which is disinformation if you want to, if you flood 467 00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:08,520 Speaker 5: the field with disinformation, it worked for D Day. And 468 00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:12,080 Speaker 5: it was only two years later in Roswell where they said, well, 469 00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:15,440 Speaker 5: well let's try the weather balloon thing. We've been getting 470 00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:17,680 Speaker 5: a lot of that over the years. So, for example, 471 00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:21,760 Speaker 5: were the Majestic twelve documents real or were they disinformation 472 00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:25,159 Speaker 5: or were they half information? You know, we don't know yet, 473 00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:28,000 Speaker 5: and someday we will someday, and it won't be me. 474 00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:31,840 Speaker 5: I'll be gone, but there'll be historians who are plowing 475 00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:36,240 Speaker 5: through these tapes and these times and saying, why didn't 476 00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:40,560 Speaker 5: people back in twenty twenty five act a little more 477 00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:41,840 Speaker 5: vigorously on this? 478 00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:45,359 Speaker 4: I feel that waiting for it. Wait, I feel that 479 00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:49,399 Speaker 4: way now, hey, brace isn't it true though, that Jake 480 00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:53,040 Speaker 4: has said that by the end of this year, yes, 481 00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:55,600 Speaker 4: it will reveal whether or not this thing works. And 482 00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:58,439 Speaker 4: they said their experiments on this dog whistles like one 483 00:27:58,520 --> 00:28:00,679 Speaker 4: hundred percent of the time. So if you have some 484 00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:03,240 Speaker 4: that's now. That's about as bold a claim as I've 485 00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:07,160 Speaker 4: ever heard in this community. There's nothing's one hundred percent nope. 486 00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:11,720 Speaker 4: So I feel like somebody's saying something so bold and 487 00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:16,040 Speaker 4: it's such an outrageous, outlandish claim. Boy, if that's real, 488 00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:18,199 Speaker 4: then that's great. By the end of the year, he 489 00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:21,000 Speaker 4: could come out and prove it and there you go. 490 00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:27,080 Speaker 5: Here here, if indeed Barber and Skywatcher have that evidence 491 00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:29,680 Speaker 5: in those facts, I can't wait for him to come out. 492 00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:32,600 Speaker 5: I will say I was shocked as you were to 493 00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:35,280 Speaker 5: hear him say it in those terms, because if I've 494 00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:39,320 Speaker 5: learned anything in the UFO field, you may sit and say, 495 00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:42,400 Speaker 5: you know, I really feel like this can't go on 496 00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:46,800 Speaker 5: much longer. You know, I've said that myself, and I'm wrong. 497 00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:50,440 Speaker 5: It can go on longer. I would putting a clock 498 00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:54,000 Speaker 5: on himself like that. Either he's got the goods or 499 00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:56,720 Speaker 5: he's a bit crazy. Those are the two options. You 500 00:28:56,760 --> 00:28:59,840 Speaker 5: can't there's not a lot of in between area there. 501 00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:03,200 Speaker 5: So I say, here, we sit as we record this. 502 00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:06,880 Speaker 5: It's May of twenty five. He's got about what seven 503 00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:12,800 Speaker 5: months to pull it off, and if he doesn't, he 504 00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:17,400 Speaker 5: will receive some scorn that he will deserve because he 505 00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:21,160 Speaker 5: said it out loud. But then again, if he comes, 506 00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:24,920 Speaker 5: I mean as it is, Ron, As you know, they've said, oh, 507 00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:28,480 Speaker 5: we've identified nine different kinds of craft. You know, bring 508 00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:30,440 Speaker 5: it on, bring me those clear photos. 509 00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:33,840 Speaker 4: Right, you know why somebody hand you right before you 510 00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:37,400 Speaker 4: walk into a briefing. Never mind, that was bad. That 511 00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:39,320 Speaker 4: was really hurt all of us. I felt. I was 512 00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:40,360 Speaker 4: very disappointed by it. 513 00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:43,640 Speaker 5: You're talking just so everyone knows. You're telling about Loue 514 00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:46,560 Speaker 5: Elizondo as he was testifying a couple of weeks ago. 515 00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:48,960 Speaker 4: If you worked in this secret program for twenty years, 516 00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:52,360 Speaker 4: why would you not have a super perfect vetted picture 517 00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:54,480 Speaker 4: that you've been holding on to for ten years and 518 00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:57,600 Speaker 4: give that one to Congress. We need to take our 519 00:29:57,680 --> 00:29:59,960 Speaker 4: last break here, Bryce, we'll come back. Let's pick a 520 00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:02,720 Speaker 4: up to talk some more about this briefing that just 521 00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:06,040 Speaker 4: took place in May, and I go over your thoughts 522 00:30:06,080 --> 00:30:07,960 Speaker 4: on that. We'll be back in a moment. 523 00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:08,160 Speaker 1: Here. 524 00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:10,760 Speaker 4: You're listening to Beyond Contact on the iHeartRadio and Coast 525 00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:31,320 Speaker 4: to Coast AM Paranormal podcast network. We're back on Beyond Contact. 526 00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:34,080 Speaker 4: Captain Ron here speaking with Bryce abel So on me 527 00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:37,440 Speaker 4: first we had this congressional briefing on UAPs that was 528 00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:40,960 Speaker 4: hosted by the UAP Disclosure Fund in collaboration with the 529 00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:43,920 Speaker 4: House Committee on Oversight and Accountability, and there were some 530 00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:48,720 Speaker 4: more very serious people who came forward with more serious claims, 531 00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:52,360 Speaker 4: including doctor Avi Lobe. That was great to see him 532 00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:54,680 Speaker 4: up there talking about that, and he mentioned, you know, 533 00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:58,440 Speaker 4: that we recovered unusual metallic fragments from the ocean floor 534 00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:02,000 Speaker 4: that he thinks is a step towards understanding the nature 535 00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:04,240 Speaker 4: of UAP. What'd you think of doctor Loebe. 536 00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:09,280 Speaker 5: I have complex feelings about doctor Lobe. I believe that 537 00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:11,720 Speaker 5: he believes in his work, and I wish that he 538 00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:15,560 Speaker 5: had some of that evidence to show us directly. I 539 00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:20,080 Speaker 5: don't find him yet the most compelling witness because it's 540 00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:24,040 Speaker 5: almost like SETI for me, the Surchra extra terrestrial intelligence. 541 00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:25,840 Speaker 5: Am I in favor of it? Sure, I'd like to 542 00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:28,440 Speaker 5: get some, you know, messages from space that we could 543 00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:31,880 Speaker 5: work on decoding. On the other hand, it seems weird 544 00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:35,200 Speaker 5: to be looking only in the SETI. You know, Carl 545 00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:38,680 Speaker 5: Sagan made a big mistake putting all his eggs in 546 00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:41,840 Speaker 5: the SETI basket because they were flying around, you know, 547 00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:45,240 Speaker 5: within our own site, and with Auvi, I just found 548 00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:48,560 Speaker 5: him not to be the number one witness we need. 549 00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:51,040 Speaker 5: We need more of the witnesses like you're talking about. 550 00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:54,520 Speaker 5: If you're going to tell me that we have crash wreckage, 551 00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:59,560 Speaker 5: I'd like some dates. I'd like some specifics things that 552 00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:01,720 Speaker 5: we can be again to look into. That's why when 553 00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:05,240 Speaker 5: David Grush, I mean I heard this first from David Grush, 554 00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:07,520 Speaker 5: Like I said, before he testified work, he told me 555 00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:10,400 Speaker 5: about that nineteen thirty three crash in Italy, and I 556 00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:16,040 Speaker 5: was like, okay, well I've sort of heard rumors about that, 557 00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:19,040 Speaker 5: but I don't remember any details. But here's this guy 558 00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:21,320 Speaker 5: that had the position he had, and he's looking me 559 00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:24,160 Speaker 5: straight in the face telling me that we've got him. Okay, 560 00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:29,320 Speaker 5: So I feel like the time has come. Auvi is everywhere, 561 00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:31,800 Speaker 5: but he should he should get that evidence and then 562 00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:34,560 Speaker 5: go everywhere right now, because the fact that he's looking 563 00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:37,600 Speaker 5: for it is fascinating. But we've got these things in 564 00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:40,560 Speaker 5: our on our radars, and we've got him, you know, 565 00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:44,800 Speaker 5: in front of our own eyes, and there's ample evidence 566 00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:48,920 Speaker 5: we should be getting. What he's doing is the exotic evidence. 567 00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:52,120 Speaker 5: I wish him the best. I totally do. He's a 568 00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:55,480 Speaker 5: brilliant guy. But I want to let's move on to 569 00:32:55,520 --> 00:32:58,720 Speaker 5: this crash wreckage, because that, you know, that trumps everything. 570 00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:03,719 Speaker 4: How about Admiral Tim Gladett. This guy was obviously another 571 00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:07,960 Speaker 4: highly decorated guy who was saw the Navy exercise where 572 00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:12,400 Speaker 4: pilots just missed these near mid air collisions. He talked 573 00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:15,960 Speaker 4: about that firsthand and how they got the video in 574 00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:18,560 Speaker 4: the email and then it was all erased the next day, 575 00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:21,960 Speaker 4: and he said, this was stuff unlike anything in the 576 00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:24,480 Speaker 4: military's arsenal as far as he knew. 577 00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:29,480 Speaker 5: Galladet is an impressive witness, and he's an impressive witness 578 00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:32,640 Speaker 5: in another part of the phenomenon the fact that it 579 00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:35,120 Speaker 5: looks like they're not just flying around in our skies, 580 00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:38,680 Speaker 5: but they're flying around under our oceans, right, And some 581 00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:42,400 Speaker 5: of them are very large and very fast, faster than 582 00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:45,680 Speaker 5: you know, we have subs maybe that go forty five 583 00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:49,239 Speaker 5: miles an hour or something. Underwater. It's classified what they 584 00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:52,240 Speaker 5: actually do. I'm sure they might do faster, but some 585 00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:54,840 Speaker 5: of the things we're seeing are going much much faster. 586 00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:58,200 Speaker 5: So what are they? And I like having a man 587 00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:02,200 Speaker 5: of his expertise and credentials to talk about that aspect 588 00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:05,160 Speaker 5: of it, and it is an important aspect. Richard Dolan, 589 00:34:05,520 --> 00:34:09,359 Speaker 5: as you know, has written his first book about these 590 00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:16,080 Speaker 5: USOS under Unidentified Submerged Objects. And what's interesting is Dolan 591 00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:18,719 Speaker 5: is one of the greatest researchers ever. I wrote a 592 00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:22,480 Speaker 5: book with m ad after Disclosures, the great, great experience 593 00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:24,279 Speaker 5: for me, and I love the sort of the back 594 00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:27,279 Speaker 5: and forth of all that he started looking into these 595 00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:31,800 Speaker 5: undersea objects and he was planning to write a book 596 00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:35,040 Speaker 5: and now he's writing three books. That's how much information 597 00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:38,359 Speaker 5: the guy came across. So you know, when we talked 598 00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:41,480 Speaker 5: about that line, the red line that we had in 599 00:34:41,520 --> 00:34:45,960 Speaker 5: the sixties have crumbled. It sure looks like somebody's been abducted, 600 00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:48,239 Speaker 5: or at least thinks they've been abducted, and a lot 601 00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:51,120 Speaker 5: of them, and that's real. It sure looks like some 602 00:34:51,160 --> 00:34:54,080 Speaker 5: credible people are saying that there's crash wreckage out there. 603 00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:57,960 Speaker 5: And it looks like the thing that we never really 604 00:34:58,080 --> 00:35:01,200 Speaker 5: talked about is that they might be in our oceans 605 00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:06,360 Speaker 5: is starting to come true. And that's very disturbing. They're 606 00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:09,040 Speaker 5: in our oceans? Who are they are? They have? They 607 00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:11,399 Speaker 5: been here for a long time and I don't. All 608 00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:13,520 Speaker 5: I have is questions. I lay awake at night and 609 00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:15,160 Speaker 5: I think about these questions. One of the things I 610 00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:17,960 Speaker 5: think about is, Okay, well who are they? Were they 611 00:35:18,239 --> 00:35:22,719 Speaker 5: natural race that's down there? Or for example, if you 612 00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:26,320 Speaker 5: came from a water based planet and you were an extraterrestrial, 613 00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:29,400 Speaker 5: right and you came to Earth, you wouldn't camp in 614 00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:32,000 Speaker 5: the desert. You'd camp in the oceans, because that's what 615 00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:32,720 Speaker 5: you're the planet. 616 00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:35,480 Speaker 4: Pine element just fight. What a perfect spot to hide. 617 00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:38,440 Speaker 4: Because they seem to have trans medium abilities. Yes, they 618 00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:41,479 Speaker 4: did various videos that go through the air, through the water, 619 00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:45,120 Speaker 4: back out and not losing a beat. So that's something 620 00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:45,600 Speaker 4: that I don't know. 621 00:35:45,719 --> 00:35:48,520 Speaker 5: By the way you using that phrase trans medium abilities, 622 00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:51,600 Speaker 5: I think is something else that has been become very 623 00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:54,480 Speaker 5: big for all of us, which is, again you go 624 00:35:54,600 --> 00:35:58,560 Speaker 5: back to the fifties, sixties, seventies, it was like looking 625 00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:03,040 Speaker 5: for things in the sky. But now we're saying, well, yeah, 626 00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:06,600 Speaker 5: look for things in space because NASA's come across a 627 00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:09,880 Speaker 5: few look for things in the sky, because there's millions 628 00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:14,320 Speaker 5: and millions of cases about that, but increasingly look in 629 00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:17,040 Speaker 5: the water too, because the same and this is the 630 00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:21,120 Speaker 5: part that blows minds. The same craft that's in space 631 00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:24,880 Speaker 5: is operating in the air and now operating under the water. 632 00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:25,799 Speaker 5: Who does that? 633 00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:26,359 Speaker 4: Now? 634 00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:29,439 Speaker 5: I know that we have great technology, we do our 635 00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:33,560 Speaker 5: militaries are ahead of us, right, but who's doing that? 636 00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:34,839 Speaker 4: I don't know. 637 00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:37,240 Speaker 5: I don't think it's US. I don't think the Chinese 638 00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:39,600 Speaker 5: are doing it. I don't think the Russians are doing it. 639 00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:41,880 Speaker 5: I think if some of the craft that's been described 640 00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:44,680 Speaker 5: were available, do you really think Russia would be fighting 641 00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:48,279 Speaker 5: a protracted struggle in Ukraine if they had access to 642 00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:54,040 Speaker 5: some of that technology. So I feel like we are 643 00:36:54,560 --> 00:36:58,239 Speaker 5: not only closer to some form of disclosure, but the 644 00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:03,440 Speaker 5: actual disclosure of what remains the biggest question. It happems 645 00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:08,000 Speaker 5: to be simpler, you know the people. Yeah, it was 646 00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:11,000 Speaker 5: so much simpler than and now it's becoming so much 647 00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:15,480 Speaker 5: more complex and complicated that even if there was disclosure 648 00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:18,799 Speaker 5: that yeah, we have craft, it may come. It may 649 00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:21,960 Speaker 5: come with it the idea that we don't know how 650 00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:24,600 Speaker 5: to turn them on. We've taken a few guesses, but 651 00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:26,759 Speaker 5: we're still no good at it. We don't know what 652 00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:27,200 Speaker 5: they are. 653 00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:30,759 Speaker 4: What about doctor Eric Davis, He also spoke there, and 654 00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:33,359 Speaker 4: he've said a lot of pretty profound things, and he's 655 00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:36,400 Speaker 4: another respected guy. You know. He says that we operate 656 00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:40,400 Speaker 4: on physics that we don't currently understand, you know. And 657 00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:45,360 Speaker 4: he also explicitly said the US government has recovered vehicles 658 00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:47,560 Speaker 4: of non human origin. 659 00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:51,759 Speaker 5: And that's ron to me. That is both profound and 660 00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:56,200 Speaker 5: vexing at the same time. Vexing because again, take a 661 00:37:56,239 --> 00:37:59,800 Speaker 5: look at the what doctor Davis has said over time, 662 00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:04,480 Speaker 5: and he wasn't that direct about this at the beginning, 663 00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:08,440 Speaker 5: and neither was put off. And a lot of these 664 00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:09,600 Speaker 5: witnesses that are. 665 00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:11,279 Speaker 4: I don't even want to interview those guys because I'm like, 666 00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:14,080 Speaker 4: they're not going to say anything anyway exactly that's serious. 667 00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:18,480 Speaker 5: So here we are where I don't think that the 668 00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:21,319 Speaker 5: government said to Eric Davis or how put off, you know, 669 00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:23,520 Speaker 5: we're going to take the breaks off now, do whatever 670 00:38:23,560 --> 00:38:26,800 Speaker 5: you want. That doesn't seem realistic to me. And yet 671 00:38:27,080 --> 00:38:31,399 Speaker 5: these people are being more forthright. Is that because? I mean, 672 00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:34,359 Speaker 5: why is that? It? Clearly? I think the one thing 673 00:38:34,440 --> 00:38:38,399 Speaker 5: you could probably clearly imply is that they don't feel 674 00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:42,359 Speaker 5: as threatened by saying it anymore. Why they don't, I 675 00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:45,879 Speaker 5: don't know. I think actually, if I run into them next. 676 00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:48,200 Speaker 5: That would be the question I would ask. I'd say, 677 00:38:48,200 --> 00:38:52,680 Speaker 5: why are you changing the way you speak in public 678 00:38:52,719 --> 00:38:53,680 Speaker 5: about this issue? 679 00:38:54,200 --> 00:38:56,919 Speaker 4: What are your thoughts on disclosure happening at all? Even 680 00:38:56,960 --> 00:39:00,080 Speaker 4: though we've had all these exciting things happen. Do you 681 00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:02,759 Speaker 4: you think it's possible and imminent? What do you think 682 00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:03,359 Speaker 4: I do? 683 00:39:03,719 --> 00:39:05,920 Speaker 5: Richard Dolan and I, like I said, we spent an 684 00:39:06,040 --> 00:39:09,359 Speaker 5: entire year talking about disclosure. It was the most fascinating 685 00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:11,520 Speaker 5: sort of back and forth, and at the end of 686 00:39:11,520 --> 00:39:14,200 Speaker 5: the day we came up with one statement that it 687 00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:19,600 Speaker 5: was true. Then it's true. Now disclosure is impossible and inevitable. Right, 688 00:39:20,600 --> 00:39:24,480 Speaker 5: It's impossible because who in the right mind who's keeping 689 00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:27,120 Speaker 5: the secret wants to do it? Obviously there have been 690 00:39:27,160 --> 00:39:31,040 Speaker 5: reasons they haven't done it. But it's inevitable because we 691 00:39:31,120 --> 00:39:33,839 Speaker 5: are showing evidence of being able to leap into the 692 00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:38,640 Speaker 5: world of these others, whomever they are, and our technology 693 00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:42,160 Speaker 5: is no longer only in the hands of our militaries, 694 00:39:42,520 --> 00:39:46,000 Speaker 5: It's now in the hands of people. So yes, we 695 00:39:46,080 --> 00:39:49,120 Speaker 5: are going to find out, and I believe sooner than later, 696 00:39:49,239 --> 00:39:51,640 Speaker 5: or at least the first buzz of it. Our friend, 697 00:39:51,640 --> 00:39:55,319 Speaker 5: our mutual friend, Steve Bassett always says disclosure is coming 698 00:39:55,360 --> 00:39:58,319 Speaker 5: next year and then it doesn't. But my joke with 699 00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:00,919 Speaker 5: Steve is well, one of the years you'll be right 700 00:40:01,320 --> 00:40:02,040 Speaker 5: right a lot of. 701 00:40:02,040 --> 00:40:04,719 Speaker 4: Time here, brother, we got to stop. Hey Bryce, where 702 00:40:04,760 --> 00:40:06,560 Speaker 4: can people find you? What's the best place? 703 00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:10,239 Speaker 5: Oh, gush? You know, if they watch the Need to 704 00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:14,520 Speaker 5: Know podcast on YouTube, you can always leave comments there 705 00:40:14,600 --> 00:40:17,640 Speaker 5: and I read them all, so that would be one 706 00:40:17,640 --> 00:40:21,080 Speaker 5: place to express it. I'm on Twitter, not Twitter, I'm 707 00:40:21,120 --> 00:40:24,840 Speaker 5: on X and my handle is at Hollywood UFOs. 708 00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:27,239 Speaker 4: Thanks. Bryce, I really appreciate you taking the time with 709 00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:30,560 Speaker 4: me talking about this, and there's always stuff happening. Man. 710 00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:32,759 Speaker 4: You guys will see you next week. You can find 711 00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:36,279 Speaker 4: me on Twitter and Instagram at CID Underscore Captain Ron. 712 00:40:36,640 --> 00:40:40,200 Speaker 4: Stay connected by checking out contact inthedesert dot com. Stay 713 00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:43,319 Speaker 4: open minded and rational as we explore the unknown right 714 00:40:43,320 --> 00:40:46,360 Speaker 4: here on the iHeartRadio on Coast to Coast am Paranormal 715 00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:47,240 Speaker 4: Podcast Network. 716 00:41:00,719 --> 00:41:03,239 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening to the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast 717 00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:06,320 Speaker 1: Ay and Paranormal Podcast Network. 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