1 00:00:02,960 --> 00:00:05,360 Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff to Blow Your Mind production of My 2 00:00:05,480 --> 00:00:15,319 Speaker 1: Heart Radio. Hey, welcome to Weird House Cinema. This is 3 00:00:15,440 --> 00:00:18,799 Speaker 1: Rob Lamb and this is Joe McCormick. And today on 4 00:00:18,840 --> 00:00:22,400 Speaker 1: the show, we're gonna be talking about The Devil Rides Out, 5 00:00:22,600 --> 00:00:27,760 Speaker 1: a nineteen hammer horror film about the perverted terrors of 6 00:00:27,840 --> 00:00:33,120 Speaker 1: the Satanic cults operating throughout Interwar Britain. This movie stars 7 00:00:33,200 --> 00:00:36,960 Speaker 1: Christopher Lee and Charles Gray and is based on a 8 00:00:37,080 --> 00:00:41,519 Speaker 1: novel from the nineteen thirties by Dennis Wheatley. And I 9 00:00:41,560 --> 00:00:44,720 Speaker 1: will say all of the Satanic themes aside. If I 10 00:00:44,720 --> 00:00:47,680 Speaker 1: could only make one comment about this film, it's that 11 00:00:47,880 --> 00:00:50,800 Speaker 1: it is a jackpot for anybody who likes listening to 12 00:00:50,840 --> 00:00:54,000 Speaker 1: Christopher Lee telling people not to do things and ordering 13 00:00:54,040 --> 00:00:57,080 Speaker 1: them to go to bed. Yes, and not children, mind you, 14 00:00:57,280 --> 00:01:01,720 Speaker 1: grown adults. Yes, this is one of the most paternalistic 15 00:01:01,840 --> 00:01:04,880 Speaker 1: movies I've ever seen. It has. It has an authority 16 00:01:04,920 --> 00:01:08,840 Speaker 1: figure that's Christopher Lee. He represents order, the Sign of 17 00:01:08,840 --> 00:01:12,680 Speaker 1: the Cross, uh conservative values, and he's just boss and 18 00:01:12,840 --> 00:01:18,160 Speaker 1: everybody around constantly everyone stand back. The proper British adults 19 00:01:18,160 --> 00:01:21,480 Speaker 1: are here. And it's funny because I, of course I 20 00:01:21,560 --> 00:01:25,479 Speaker 1: love Christopher Lee, but his character in this movie is 21 00:01:26,040 --> 00:01:31,280 Speaker 1: so pompously self serious and bossy and paternalistic. I feel 22 00:01:31,280 --> 00:01:34,440 Speaker 1: like it's going to be nearly impossible for modern audiences 23 00:01:34,880 --> 00:01:38,600 Speaker 1: to avoid regarding this character with anything other than like 24 00:01:38,680 --> 00:01:42,960 Speaker 1: amusement or contempt, which I think can be extrapolated to 25 00:01:43,120 --> 00:01:46,000 Speaker 1: feelings about the movie in general. Because this is a 26 00:01:46,080 --> 00:01:49,120 Speaker 1: very competently made horror movie. But if you were to 27 00:01:49,160 --> 00:01:51,560 Speaker 1: just give me the pitch, like you know, read me 28 00:01:51,640 --> 00:01:54,000 Speaker 1: a description of what this is going to be. It's 29 00:01:54,040 --> 00:01:57,120 Speaker 1: a hammer horror movie made in nineteen sixty eight about 30 00:01:57,160 --> 00:02:02,360 Speaker 1: satanic cults, starring Christopher Lee as Maximum Order Daddy and 31 00:02:02,600 --> 00:02:05,920 Speaker 1: Charles Gray as a psychic Alistair Crowley who likes to 32 00:02:05,920 --> 00:02:09,760 Speaker 1: make people garrot themselves with necklaces. I would assume this 33 00:02:09,840 --> 00:02:13,960 Speaker 1: was going to be a jolly, campy frolic charged up 34 00:02:14,000 --> 00:02:20,760 Speaker 1: with like gratuitous sex and fangs and orange blood, but no. Uncharacteristically, 35 00:02:20,840 --> 00:02:26,240 Speaker 1: for its provenance, this movie is culturally conservative and deadly serious, 36 00:02:26,560 --> 00:02:29,720 Speaker 1: which in this context means it is pretty much just 37 00:02:29,840 --> 00:02:33,600 Speaker 1: inviting us to laugh at it rather than with it. Absolutely, 38 00:02:33,840 --> 00:02:35,359 Speaker 1: I mean not that there are a lot of built 39 00:02:35,360 --> 00:02:38,680 Speaker 1: in laughs in this film. Anyway. But yeah, you know, 40 00:02:38,760 --> 00:02:41,640 Speaker 1: it's it's very much one where you have you have 41 00:02:41,760 --> 00:02:45,200 Speaker 1: to find some fun in a character like Christopher Lee's character. 42 00:02:45,280 --> 00:02:48,240 Speaker 1: Really most of the adult characters in this film, because 43 00:02:48,240 --> 00:02:50,440 Speaker 1: they're they're very hard to root for, impossible to laugh. 44 00:02:50,560 --> 00:02:52,880 Speaker 1: Another thing I would say is that looking at the 45 00:02:52,880 --> 00:02:56,720 Speaker 1: film's marketing material would also lead the average person, I think, 46 00:02:56,720 --> 00:03:01,399 Speaker 1: to the wrong conclusion about its tone and content. Oh, absolutely, 47 00:03:01,480 --> 00:03:06,280 Speaker 1: especially concerning the poster art. Now, this was originally released 48 00:03:07,320 --> 00:03:11,119 Speaker 1: under the title we're discussing it as The Devil Rides Out. Uh, 49 00:03:11,200 --> 00:03:13,200 Speaker 1: this is the British title. This was the title of 50 00:03:13,240 --> 00:03:15,640 Speaker 1: the book upon which it was based. And so the 51 00:03:15,639 --> 00:03:18,800 Speaker 1: British poster had like a devil riding a horse and 52 00:03:18,840 --> 00:03:20,760 Speaker 1: it looks it looks pretty cool. I wouldn't shy away 53 00:03:20,760 --> 00:03:23,480 Speaker 1: from putting this on the wall. But then it's released 54 00:03:23,520 --> 00:03:27,120 Speaker 1: in the United States as The Devil's Bride, supposedly because 55 00:03:27,240 --> 00:03:29,120 Speaker 1: they thought The Devil Rides Out sounds too much like 56 00:03:29,120 --> 00:03:31,960 Speaker 1: a Western or or And I don't know, maybe this 57 00:03:32,040 --> 00:03:33,560 Speaker 1: is just me, but I'm thinking maybe they thought it 58 00:03:33,560 --> 00:03:36,920 Speaker 1: sounds like a motorcycle film. It does sound motorcyclely to me, 59 00:03:37,160 --> 00:03:38,520 Speaker 1: and they're like no, no, no no, let's call it the 60 00:03:38,520 --> 00:03:41,760 Speaker 1: Devil's Bride. But the poster for this one, oh, it's 61 00:03:41,800 --> 00:03:46,240 Speaker 1: one of the finest nineteen seven, nineteen sixties, nineteen seventies 62 00:03:46,400 --> 00:03:50,040 Speaker 1: horror posters you could possibly go for. Right, So it 63 00:03:50,120 --> 00:03:53,880 Speaker 1: has our our goath head demon or our goat of Mendez, 64 00:03:53,960 --> 00:03:56,800 Speaker 1: which does appear in the movie. The funny thing about 65 00:03:56,880 --> 00:03:59,320 Speaker 1: him is he has the goat horns, but then he 66 00:03:59,400 --> 00:04:02,080 Speaker 1: also has floppy ears, and you would think, oh, the 67 00:04:02,120 --> 00:04:04,360 Speaker 1: floppy ears. That makes him look funny and cute, but 68 00:04:04,400 --> 00:04:07,640 Speaker 1: they add to the horror that it works. He's got 69 00:04:07,680 --> 00:04:09,600 Speaker 1: a big eye in his belly and then in his 70 00:04:09,720 --> 00:04:12,720 Speaker 1: room and then he's like holding um uh, one of 71 00:04:12,720 --> 00:04:15,520 Speaker 1: the main actresses in this movie in his arms, presumably 72 00:04:15,560 --> 00:04:18,000 Speaker 1: you know, to take her to hell with him. And 73 00:04:18,279 --> 00:04:20,599 Speaker 1: then in his robes you see reflected a lot of 74 00:04:20,600 --> 00:04:23,800 Speaker 1: the monsters and horrors that appear throughout the film. Yeah, 75 00:04:23,880 --> 00:04:28,000 Speaker 1: beautiful yellow background that also kind of works, and it's 76 00:04:28,040 --> 00:04:31,120 Speaker 1: just it's a beautiful poster. Also, I would say that 77 00:04:31,160 --> 00:04:34,000 Speaker 1: the the just the image of the monster man carrying 78 00:04:34,080 --> 00:04:37,240 Speaker 1: the woman, the unconscious woman. This is, of course, uh 79 00:04:37,240 --> 00:04:41,520 Speaker 1: an iconic theme you find in various poster art from 80 00:04:41,760 --> 00:04:46,200 Speaker 1: Yester Year not entirely unproblematic, but still very iconic. So 81 00:04:46,240 --> 00:04:48,760 Speaker 1: this one, this post is really hitting a number of buttons, 82 00:04:49,000 --> 00:04:51,160 Speaker 1: really coming out with guns of blazing and makes you 83 00:04:51,240 --> 00:04:54,760 Speaker 1: think this is going to be the the psychedelic satanic 84 00:04:55,640 --> 00:04:59,680 Speaker 1: film par excellence. And uh, I have to say, if 85 00:04:59,720 --> 00:05:03,160 Speaker 1: that what you're expecting, be prepared to be maybe a 86 00:05:03,200 --> 00:05:05,640 Speaker 1: little bit disappointed and find yourself going in a slightly 87 00:05:05,640 --> 00:05:08,320 Speaker 1: different direction. Is still this film is still a lot 88 00:05:08,360 --> 00:05:11,240 Speaker 1: of fun. It has some great satanic stuff in it, 89 00:05:11,320 --> 00:05:15,080 Speaker 1: some great black masts and magic sequences. But this is 90 00:05:15,120 --> 00:05:17,360 Speaker 1: a scene depicted on the poster that does not actually 91 00:05:17,360 --> 00:05:20,680 Speaker 1: occur in the film. It's kind of constructed from elements 92 00:05:20,680 --> 00:05:24,040 Speaker 1: of the film. Yeah. Yeah. Another thing that we must 93 00:05:24,080 --> 00:05:26,799 Speaker 1: stress is that this is a film that that has 94 00:05:27,440 --> 00:05:30,880 Speaker 1: not just one, but two Bond villain actors in it. 95 00:05:31,480 --> 00:05:34,479 Speaker 1: So of course chrispher Lee, uh you know, we we 96 00:05:34,520 --> 00:05:36,840 Speaker 1: know chrispher Lee on this show. He plays the assassin 97 00:05:36,920 --> 00:05:41,000 Speaker 1: Scaramonga in The Man with the Golden Gun, a Roger 98 00:05:41,040 --> 00:05:43,880 Speaker 1: Moore Bond movie from the seventies I think widely regarded 99 00:05:43,920 --> 00:05:48,279 Speaker 1: as one of the worst spawned movies. Um. And then 100 00:05:48,520 --> 00:05:51,400 Speaker 1: you have Charles Gray as the villain in this movie, 101 00:05:51,600 --> 00:05:55,039 Speaker 1: who plays Blowfeld and Diamonds Are Forever, the ladder of 102 00:05:55,080 --> 00:05:58,240 Speaker 1: which is, without a doubt, the funniest Bond villain portrayal 103 00:05:58,279 --> 00:06:00,640 Speaker 1: in the entire history of the franchise. Have you seen 104 00:06:00,680 --> 00:06:03,479 Speaker 1: Diamonds Are Forever? Okay, I've seen both of these, but 105 00:06:03,560 --> 00:06:05,280 Speaker 1: both of them I last saw them when I was 106 00:06:05,320 --> 00:06:08,320 Speaker 1: a child. So the man with the Golden Gun I 107 00:06:08,360 --> 00:06:13,480 Speaker 1: remember is being amazing because he had that golden gun. Yeah, 108 00:06:13,640 --> 00:06:15,719 Speaker 1: that's the only thing I remember, though. The golden gun 109 00:06:15,800 --> 00:06:17,680 Speaker 1: is very cool, and Christopher Lee is very cool. But 110 00:06:18,040 --> 00:06:21,400 Speaker 1: Charles Gray and Diamonds Are Forever. He he plays Blowfeld 111 00:06:21,440 --> 00:06:23,440 Speaker 1: with this I don't know what you you called the 112 00:06:23,480 --> 00:06:29,520 Speaker 1: style of vocal delivery, but it's the Charles Grays And yes, yes, 113 00:06:32,960 --> 00:06:34,520 Speaker 1: Is that the one that takes place in Vegas a 114 00:06:34,520 --> 00:06:37,000 Speaker 1: little bit? Yeah? Yeah, they go to Last veg. That 115 00:06:37,000 --> 00:06:40,280 Speaker 1: one's not good either. Okay, yeah, I barely remember that one, 116 00:06:40,320 --> 00:06:43,080 Speaker 1: but you know, you you you brought up blow Feld. 117 00:06:43,160 --> 00:06:45,280 Speaker 1: This reminds me of something. So one of the things 118 00:06:45,320 --> 00:06:47,200 Speaker 1: I kept thinking about in this film was like, oh, 119 00:06:47,240 --> 00:06:49,080 Speaker 1: we got to two Bond villains. We got a Bond 120 00:06:49,120 --> 00:06:52,599 Speaker 1: villain actor, famous Bond villain actor playing the the hero 121 00:06:53,120 --> 00:06:56,520 Speaker 1: and a famous Bond villain actor playing the villain, and 122 00:06:57,080 --> 00:06:59,920 Speaker 1: um though this movie was before both of those, right, right, 123 00:07:00,560 --> 00:07:03,560 Speaker 1: But it made me wonder, especially with Christopher Lee's Christopher 124 00:07:03,640 --> 00:07:06,680 Speaker 1: Lee just not good at playing like how much of 125 00:07:06,720 --> 00:07:08,680 Speaker 1: it is is like he just needs to play villains. 126 00:07:08,720 --> 00:07:11,440 Speaker 1: This is an actor who excels at playing villains, and 127 00:07:11,480 --> 00:07:13,760 Speaker 1: maybe he shouldn't play the heroes. And then how much 128 00:07:13,760 --> 00:07:14,920 Speaker 1: of it is just like this is kind of a 129 00:07:14,920 --> 00:07:17,560 Speaker 1: crummy hero role. I don't know. Yeah, I think it 130 00:07:17,640 --> 00:07:20,480 Speaker 1: might be more the latter because Okay, so he's a 131 00:07:20,560 --> 00:07:22,520 Speaker 1: villain in this other movie, but you might think, well, 132 00:07:22,560 --> 00:07:25,200 Speaker 1: maybe the problem is he's just too imperious and he 133 00:07:25,280 --> 00:07:28,320 Speaker 1: can't be a a kind of he can't have that likable, 134 00:07:28,400 --> 00:07:31,080 Speaker 1: jolly protagonist energy that you would need to really get 135 00:07:31,080 --> 00:07:33,160 Speaker 1: people on your side. But I would say he has 136 00:07:33,240 --> 00:07:37,040 Speaker 1: that as the villain in The Wickerman when I should 137 00:07:37,400 --> 00:07:39,480 Speaker 1: So when Rachel and I watched The Devil Rides Out, 138 00:07:39,560 --> 00:07:42,720 Speaker 1: Rachel observed that this movie is kind of inverse Wickerman. 139 00:07:43,480 --> 00:07:47,400 Speaker 1: It's with Christopher Lee playing the Sergeant Howie character in 140 00:07:47,440 --> 00:07:51,440 Speaker 1: The Wickerman just like a very uptight conservative person in 141 00:07:51,480 --> 00:07:53,960 Speaker 1: the face of all of this depravity and devil worship. 142 00:07:55,040 --> 00:07:57,080 Speaker 1: That's a good point, I guess in the Wickerman it's 143 00:07:57,120 --> 00:08:01,320 Speaker 1: not explicitly devil it's you know, just pay Anism. Though 144 00:08:01,360 --> 00:08:04,000 Speaker 1: of course, I would say the mindset that makes a 145 00:08:04,000 --> 00:08:06,640 Speaker 1: lot of these Satanism movies and uh and stuff like 146 00:08:06,680 --> 00:08:10,320 Speaker 1: Dennis Wheatley's novel would probably mostly conflate the two. Right. 147 00:08:10,440 --> 00:08:12,480 Speaker 1: If it is not Christian, then there's a good chance 148 00:08:12,520 --> 00:08:15,600 Speaker 1: that it is devil worship according to this mindset. Yes, 149 00:08:15,760 --> 00:08:18,600 Speaker 1: And and that's the other thing is that this movie, 150 00:08:18,800 --> 00:08:22,520 Speaker 1: I would say is Satanic Panic before the Satanic Panic. 151 00:08:22,760 --> 00:08:25,840 Speaker 1: It's like a progenitor of Satanic Panic. Even going back 152 00:08:25,840 --> 00:08:28,520 Speaker 1: to the novel which came out it did come out 153 00:08:28,560 --> 00:08:31,120 Speaker 1: in the nineteen thirties, right, Yeah, this was a nineteen 154 00:08:31,160 --> 00:08:35,760 Speaker 1: thirties novel. And I've actually read that like this the 155 00:08:35,880 --> 00:08:38,079 Speaker 1: books of Dennis Wheatley, because there's more than one that 156 00:08:38,080 --> 00:08:39,920 Speaker 1: that ends up concerning the ac cult. And we'll get 157 00:08:39,960 --> 00:08:41,880 Speaker 1: into that in a bed um. I've read that like 158 00:08:42,000 --> 00:08:45,560 Speaker 1: that these helped sort of influence the uh, you know 159 00:08:45,559 --> 00:08:49,000 Speaker 1: that what would become proper Satanic Panic in the decades 160 00:08:49,040 --> 00:08:53,240 Speaker 1: to follow believe. Historian Philip but Jenkins has has particularly 161 00:08:53,320 --> 00:08:56,840 Speaker 1: pointed to a N seven novel by Herbert Gorman titled 162 00:08:57,080 --> 00:09:00,559 Speaker 1: The Place Called Dagon and pointed this is a key 163 00:09:00,600 --> 00:09:03,760 Speaker 1: influence on the Satanic Panic themes to come, and the 164 00:09:03,760 --> 00:09:07,720 Speaker 1: book apparently influenced such occult authors as din As Sweetly 165 00:09:08,040 --> 00:09:11,959 Speaker 1: as HP Lovecraft and Robert Block. Now, I noticed that 166 00:09:12,120 --> 00:09:16,400 Speaker 1: right before you picked this movie for Weirdhouse, you sent 167 00:09:16,559 --> 00:09:20,000 Speaker 1: me a you sent me a link to a news 168 00:09:20,040 --> 00:09:24,000 Speaker 1: segment produced sometime in the eighties that was pure Satanic panic. 169 00:09:24,040 --> 00:09:26,800 Speaker 1: It was just it's unreal the kind of stuff that 170 00:09:26,960 --> 00:09:30,200 Speaker 1: used to run on like mainstream media in the American 171 00:09:30,240 --> 00:09:32,360 Speaker 1: press and on TV in the eighties. I think was 172 00:09:32,559 --> 00:09:38,160 Speaker 1: what was this or the Satanic panic um making just 173 00:09:38,280 --> 00:09:42,960 Speaker 1: like on on its face, absolutely absurd claims about devil 174 00:09:43,080 --> 00:09:46,520 Speaker 1: ritual you know, Satanic rituals and stuff like that going 175 00:09:46,559 --> 00:09:51,240 Speaker 1: on in America, but presented completely seriously as if this 176 00:09:51,320 --> 00:09:56,000 Speaker 1: is one fact interviewing these experts who are obviously like 177 00:09:56,080 --> 00:09:58,920 Speaker 1: have no idea what they're talking about. Uh, you know, 178 00:09:58,960 --> 00:10:03,079 Speaker 1: finding devil worship in everything every movie and music. One 179 00:10:03,120 --> 00:10:05,760 Speaker 1: thing that was weird is it even singled out a 180 00:10:05,800 --> 00:10:09,600 Speaker 1: movie like The Exorcist, which I would say is a 181 00:10:09,600 --> 00:10:13,160 Speaker 1: movie that is about as faithfully Catholic as a movie 182 00:10:13,200 --> 00:10:15,640 Speaker 1: could be. Oh yeah, yeah, I mean it's it's it's 183 00:10:15,679 --> 00:10:20,280 Speaker 1: ultimately the demons are there, but God is there. Maybe 184 00:10:20,280 --> 00:10:22,679 Speaker 1: it's i mean, the Exorcist, especially at the time, was 185 00:10:22,760 --> 00:10:25,040 Speaker 1: regarded as a pretty extreme film and you know, very 186 00:10:25,040 --> 00:10:27,000 Speaker 1: shocking and was very much the talk of the town. 187 00:10:27,559 --> 00:10:29,280 Speaker 1: Maybe part of that is, like it is not necessarily 188 00:10:29,280 --> 00:10:31,480 Speaker 1: about having watched The Exorcists, is about the idea that 189 00:10:31,520 --> 00:10:35,960 Speaker 1: the Exorcist exists. You know, it's popularizing satanic themes, I guess. 190 00:10:35,960 --> 00:10:38,360 Speaker 1: But so anyway, so so you got interested, I guess, 191 00:10:38,400 --> 00:10:41,640 Speaker 1: in in these like satanic panic movies through that or 192 00:10:41,800 --> 00:10:44,600 Speaker 1: is that a coincidence? Oh, I mean I'm always interested 193 00:10:44,600 --> 00:10:49,280 Speaker 1: in satanic themes and things. You know. Um, it's you know, 194 00:10:49,320 --> 00:10:50,960 Speaker 1: it's it's part of it's become such a part of 195 00:10:50,960 --> 00:10:52,640 Speaker 1: our pop culture, so many that there are in so 196 00:10:52,679 --> 00:10:55,439 Speaker 1: many movies on our our list of potential episodes that 197 00:10:55,520 --> 00:10:59,199 Speaker 1: concern Satan worshippers in one way or another. The Weirdly enough, 198 00:10:59,240 --> 00:11:02,040 Speaker 1: I think the first Satan worship movie that I saw 199 00:11:02,360 --> 00:11:05,600 Speaker 1: as a child was the Dragnet movie that Dana Kroyd did. 200 00:11:05,760 --> 00:11:08,760 Speaker 1: Do you remember this one? Yeah, Tom Hanks, Yeah, well 201 00:11:08,840 --> 00:11:11,200 Speaker 1: d yeah, Dan Akroyd and Tom Hanks and I forget 202 00:11:11,240 --> 00:11:13,120 Speaker 1: who plays like the high priest of Satan. But it's 203 00:11:13,120 --> 00:11:17,200 Speaker 1: like Hollywood and Jackie Wallens. Maybe Jack Palance is in there. 204 00:11:17,480 --> 00:11:20,960 Speaker 1: There's some older actor, but yeah, it's that's I don't 205 00:11:20,960 --> 00:11:22,720 Speaker 1: really remember that movie is good or not, but it 206 00:11:22,760 --> 00:11:26,760 Speaker 1: has a lot of Satanic cult in Hollywood of kind 207 00:11:26,800 --> 00:11:31,840 Speaker 1: of imagery, you know, the robes, the goats, um drugs, 208 00:11:31,920 --> 00:11:34,120 Speaker 1: every kind of filth. Yeah. So, I mean, yeah, if 209 00:11:34,120 --> 00:11:36,280 Speaker 1: you're into if you're into horror films, if you're into 210 00:11:36,840 --> 00:11:39,559 Speaker 1: into like metal music or anything like that, you know, 211 00:11:39,800 --> 00:11:46,320 Speaker 1: the various themes of like movie Satanism are kind of unavoidable. Okay, well, 212 00:11:46,320 --> 00:11:53,920 Speaker 1: should we hear some trailer audio, let's do it. Do 213 00:11:53,960 --> 00:11:57,839 Speaker 1: you believe in evil? That's an idea. Do you believe 214 00:11:57,880 --> 00:12:01,280 Speaker 1: in the power of darkness? That's a perstition? Are there? 215 00:12:01,320 --> 00:12:04,319 Speaker 1: You were wrong? The power of darkness is more than 216 00:12:04,400 --> 00:12:10,200 Speaker 1: justice superstition. It is a living force which can be 217 00:12:10,280 --> 00:12:16,400 Speaker 1: tapped at any given moment of the night. Why on 218 00:12:16,400 --> 00:12:21,920 Speaker 1: one night, but one year, should these people live in 219 00:12:22,160 --> 00:12:32,360 Speaker 1: mortal fear, my God. The goat of mentis the devil himself. 220 00:12:35,160 --> 00:12:38,520 Speaker 1: Christopher Lee as Doritia, who knows he must fight the 221 00:12:38,559 --> 00:12:46,480 Speaker 1: devil's power to the death. O, my God, don't look 222 00:12:46,520 --> 00:12:52,960 Speaker 1: at the eyes Rex eyes, eyes once filled with love, 223 00:12:53,520 --> 00:12:57,559 Speaker 1: are consumed with fear. What Tanneth is now promised to 224 00:12:57,720 --> 00:13:04,720 Speaker 1: the double Catholic of this is Makata, the Devil's chief disciple. 225 00:13:05,240 --> 00:13:14,600 Speaker 1: You're real is leaving you, slipping away. The Double rides 226 00:13:14,640 --> 00:13:17,800 Speaker 1: out from best seller or to Dennis Weekly's famous novel, 227 00:13:17,960 --> 00:13:21,120 Speaker 1: fills the screen with a special kind of visual terror. 228 00:13:21,240 --> 00:13:31,280 Speaker 1: Wire me quickly. You will hear his evil, you will 229 00:13:31,400 --> 00:13:44,520 Speaker 1: feel his evil, you will see his evil. All right, 230 00:13:44,720 --> 00:13:47,000 Speaker 1: So before we get into the people here, we should 231 00:13:47,000 --> 00:13:48,480 Speaker 1: probably I don't know if we stressed. Yeah, I think 232 00:13:48,480 --> 00:13:50,679 Speaker 1: you mentioned it briefly. But this is, of course a 233 00:13:50,800 --> 00:13:54,520 Speaker 1: Hammer horror film. Have we discussed a Hammer film on 234 00:13:54,559 --> 00:13:56,920 Speaker 1: the show before? Oh, I mean, I know it's come 235 00:13:57,000 --> 00:13:59,280 Speaker 1: up in passing. I don't know if we've featured one. 236 00:14:00,040 --> 00:14:02,439 Speaker 1: We we've talked about them with Seth a lot are 237 00:14:02,480 --> 00:14:05,679 Speaker 1: regular producer Seth Nicholas Johnson. I think sometime in the 238 00:14:05,720 --> 00:14:08,200 Speaker 1: past couple of years got like the Ultimate Box set 239 00:14:08,240 --> 00:14:10,520 Speaker 1: of Hammer films and was just going through them and 240 00:14:10,520 --> 00:14:13,680 Speaker 1: we were talking about them. So if you're not familiar, 241 00:14:13,760 --> 00:14:16,960 Speaker 1: Hammer put out a lot of British horror films and 242 00:14:17,000 --> 00:14:19,240 Speaker 1: the I don't know when their their full run was. 243 00:14:19,280 --> 00:14:22,440 Speaker 1: I associate them with the sixties and the seventies, and 244 00:14:22,760 --> 00:14:24,840 Speaker 1: you know a lot of films starring Peter Cushing and 245 00:14:24,920 --> 00:14:29,920 Speaker 1: Christopher Lee and various Dracula van Helsing Mummy kinds of roles. 246 00:14:30,520 --> 00:14:33,720 Speaker 1: But then also they branched out into just more general 247 00:14:33,800 --> 00:14:37,800 Speaker 1: kind of sexy vampire movies, right right, Yeah, definitely there's 248 00:14:37,840 --> 00:14:40,360 Speaker 1: a shift that occurs as things get more into the 249 00:14:40,920 --> 00:14:44,200 Speaker 1: late sixties seventies vibe. And one of the interesting things 250 00:14:44,240 --> 00:14:46,840 Speaker 1: about this film that that has been pointed out in 251 00:14:46,880 --> 00:14:50,480 Speaker 1: particular horror historian Kim Newman discusses this a little bit 252 00:14:50,520 --> 00:14:53,400 Speaker 1: in a in a little short extra on the Splendid 253 00:14:53,440 --> 00:14:56,720 Speaker 1: Blu Ray for this movie that this is ultimately more 254 00:14:56,760 --> 00:14:59,560 Speaker 1: of a nineteen thirties movie. It has nineteen thirties horror 255 00:14:59,560 --> 00:15:02,160 Speaker 1: since the bill at ease or at least nineteen fifties, 256 00:15:02,160 --> 00:15:04,040 Speaker 1: I believe, and more and more like a nineteen fifties 257 00:15:04,040 --> 00:15:07,360 Speaker 1: horror movie as opposed to a nineteen eighth, you know, 258 00:15:07,400 --> 00:15:09,800 Speaker 1: early seventies film, which would have been you know, more 259 00:15:09,800 --> 00:15:12,880 Speaker 1: in line with the cultural changes that are happening. This 260 00:15:12,960 --> 00:15:16,359 Speaker 1: is a film, but it's more for the older generation 261 00:15:16,600 --> 00:15:19,040 Speaker 1: that's terrified by what's occurring, but it's not ready to 262 00:15:19,120 --> 00:15:22,360 Speaker 1: quite embrace it or exploited. Right, it came out in 263 00:15:22,440 --> 00:15:24,840 Speaker 1: nineteen sixty eight, but it is it seems to be 264 00:15:24,880 --> 00:15:28,040 Speaker 1: wagging a finger at the audience and cautioning them against 265 00:15:28,120 --> 00:15:33,080 Speaker 1: any stranger or unorthodox beliefs or practices. Alright, well, let's 266 00:15:33,160 --> 00:15:35,360 Speaker 1: let's start at the top. The director on this baby 267 00:15:35,640 --> 00:15:39,040 Speaker 1: was Terence Fisher, who of nineteen o four through nineteen 268 00:15:39,120 --> 00:15:43,760 Speaker 1: eighty um British film director best remembered for his Hammer films. 269 00:15:43,760 --> 00:15:46,520 Speaker 1: Either directed a slew of them, beginning in I Believe 270 00:15:46,600 --> 00:15:50,160 Speaker 1: nineteen fifty one with The Last Page, but really kicking 271 00:15:50,200 --> 00:15:53,600 Speaker 1: into high horror gear in nineteen fifty seven with the 272 00:15:53,640 --> 00:15:57,600 Speaker 1: Curse of Frankenstein starring Christopher Lee and Peter Cushing. He 273 00:15:57,680 --> 00:16:00,000 Speaker 1: was already an established TV and film director by the 274 00:16:00,080 --> 00:16:02,160 Speaker 1: is time, though, but he ended up directing a lot 275 00:16:02,200 --> 00:16:04,800 Speaker 1: of the big Hammer films, including but not limited to, 276 00:16:05,360 --> 00:16:09,200 Speaker 1: Horror of Dracula, Frankenstein, and the Monster from Hell, Frankenstein 277 00:16:09,280 --> 00:16:13,560 Speaker 1: must be Destroyed, Dracula, Prince of Darkness and others. I 278 00:16:13,680 --> 00:16:17,600 Speaker 1: have a big poster for Terence Fisher's production of the 279 00:16:17,720 --> 00:16:19,800 Speaker 1: Mummy right next to me on the wall here is 280 00:16:19,840 --> 00:16:24,320 Speaker 1: from nine and uh, I have the Belgian poster for it. 281 00:16:24,320 --> 00:16:27,760 Speaker 1: I believe because the title on it isla Maledicttion de 282 00:16:27,920 --> 00:16:32,320 Speaker 1: Ferran and the Curse of the Pharaohs. I guess. But 283 00:16:32,440 --> 00:16:34,960 Speaker 1: the poster is great because there's like the Mummy which 284 00:16:35,000 --> 00:16:37,280 Speaker 1: is played by Christopher Lee in the Terence Fisher movie, 285 00:16:37,840 --> 00:16:40,920 Speaker 1: but like it's approaching and then there's a lady screaming 286 00:16:40,920 --> 00:16:43,560 Speaker 1: in the foreground, and then behind the mummy people are 287 00:16:43,640 --> 00:16:46,320 Speaker 1: shining a flashlight and the beam of light is just 288 00:16:46,400 --> 00:16:49,000 Speaker 1: like piercing right through it. Oh yes, yeah, I have 289 00:16:49,080 --> 00:16:51,080 Speaker 1: seen this poster. This is a beauty because there's kind 290 00:16:51,080 --> 00:16:54,200 Speaker 1: of like a cosmic sense to the Mummy in it. Alright, 291 00:16:54,240 --> 00:16:57,440 Speaker 1: we minute we mentioned Dennis Wheatley already. Dennis Wheetlely wrote 292 00:16:57,480 --> 00:16:59,880 Speaker 1: the novel The Devil Rides Out upon which this is base. 293 00:17:00,400 --> 00:17:04,840 Speaker 1: Wheatly lived seven through nineteen seventy seven, British author of 294 00:17:04,880 --> 00:17:08,159 Speaker 1: popular thriller novels, often with the cult themes. And one 295 00:17:08,200 --> 00:17:10,840 Speaker 1: of the things that uh the Kim Newman points out 296 00:17:10,920 --> 00:17:13,359 Speaker 1: is like this guy was a very popular author at 297 00:17:13,359 --> 00:17:14,800 Speaker 1: the time. He says, like, if you went to the 298 00:17:14,800 --> 00:17:18,080 Speaker 1: horror section of your British bookstore, half the books would 299 00:17:18,080 --> 00:17:20,400 Speaker 1: be Dennis Wheetly novels. So he was a big deal. 300 00:17:20,440 --> 00:17:23,320 Speaker 1: He was a popular author. He's said to have influenced 301 00:17:23,320 --> 00:17:25,879 Speaker 1: the likes of Ian Fleming because a lot of his 302 00:17:25,880 --> 00:17:28,640 Speaker 1: his books were, especially his earlier stuff. You know, it's 303 00:17:28,680 --> 00:17:33,480 Speaker 1: it's sleuth centered, uh you know, it's about espionage and spies, 304 00:17:33,520 --> 00:17:36,000 Speaker 1: but also very much around based around the sort of 305 00:17:36,320 --> 00:17:40,720 Speaker 1: you know, classic British machismo, you know, heroes going out 306 00:17:40,880 --> 00:17:43,679 Speaker 1: and risking their lives, punching somebody in the face and 307 00:17:43,760 --> 00:17:47,000 Speaker 1: saving a woman, that sort of thing. But then things 308 00:17:47,040 --> 00:17:49,880 Speaker 1: begin to get a little more. He ends up throwing 309 00:17:49,880 --> 00:17:52,919 Speaker 1: in more occult themes as he goes. Now, I'm certainly 310 00:17:52,960 --> 00:17:56,280 Speaker 1: no Whekly expert. I tried reading one of his books 311 00:17:56,480 --> 00:18:00,240 Speaker 1: once and it didn't grab me. But my understanding is that, yeah, 312 00:18:00,240 --> 00:18:02,560 Speaker 1: a lot of his series, and he has multiple series 313 00:18:02,560 --> 00:18:05,359 Speaker 1: with recurring characters, start out more traditional and then end 314 00:18:05,440 --> 00:18:08,680 Speaker 1: up latching onto occult themes, and we definitely see this 315 00:18:09,200 --> 00:18:13,960 Speaker 1: in his Duke de Richelieu series, which of of which 316 00:18:14,080 --> 00:18:17,520 Speaker 1: this book is a part right. Christopher Lee's character in 317 00:18:17,560 --> 00:18:19,879 Speaker 1: the movie is the Duke de Richelo. I think his 318 00:18:19,920 --> 00:18:22,679 Speaker 1: actual given name is Nicholas. They only say that like 319 00:18:22,720 --> 00:18:24,800 Speaker 1: once or twice in the movie. Usually he's just Duke 320 00:18:24,920 --> 00:18:30,919 Speaker 1: or the Duke. Yeah. So the first book in that series, however, 321 00:18:31,080 --> 00:18:34,280 Speaker 1: is just pure espionage adventure. Um. And then the second 322 00:18:34,359 --> 00:18:36,960 Speaker 1: book that comes later is The Devil's Right. The Devil 323 00:18:37,040 --> 00:18:39,680 Speaker 1: rides out full of not only a cultist in satanist, 324 00:18:39,760 --> 00:18:43,160 Speaker 1: but actual supernatural forces. So it's like, imagine you had 325 00:18:43,480 --> 00:18:45,760 Speaker 1: like a couple of James Bond movies and yeah, they've 326 00:18:45,760 --> 00:18:48,840 Speaker 1: got giant squids and whatnot. But then um, in super 327 00:18:48,840 --> 00:18:50,560 Speaker 1: science a little bit. But then you get to the 328 00:18:50,560 --> 00:18:53,520 Speaker 1: point where it's like, oh, yes, the Devil has shown up. Okay, 329 00:18:53,520 --> 00:18:57,159 Speaker 1: so it's James Bond versus Baha met Yeah, sort of 330 00:18:57,240 --> 00:18:59,159 Speaker 1: or a kind of like a proto James Bond, you know, 331 00:18:59,560 --> 00:19:02,560 Speaker 1: because very much came first. But he has another series, 332 00:19:02,600 --> 00:19:05,040 Speaker 1: the Gregory Salas series, that I think does much the 333 00:19:05,080 --> 00:19:09,000 Speaker 1: same thing. The first book in that Black August from 334 00:19:09,080 --> 00:19:13,000 Speaker 1: nineteen thirty four imagines a few futuristic nineteen sixty and 335 00:19:13,080 --> 00:19:15,919 Speaker 1: economic collapse so very much, you know, a different beast. 336 00:19:16,200 --> 00:19:18,560 Speaker 1: But then by nineteen sixty four he returns to that 337 00:19:18,640 --> 00:19:22,400 Speaker 1: character in They Use Dark Forces, which has the hero 338 00:19:22,560 --> 00:19:26,160 Speaker 1: battling Nazi occultists and I think teaming up with another 339 00:19:26,200 --> 00:19:28,399 Speaker 1: occultists to take them on. This is the one that 340 00:19:28,440 --> 00:19:30,800 Speaker 1: I actually tried to read once and just could not 341 00:19:30,880 --> 00:19:33,760 Speaker 1: get into it. Um your mileage may vary, but I 342 00:19:33,760 --> 00:19:36,639 Speaker 1: I could not get into Wheely. When you paste it 343 00:19:36,720 --> 00:19:40,400 Speaker 1: in a paragraph from the opening page of The Devil 344 00:19:40,560 --> 00:19:43,520 Speaker 1: Rides Out, I gotta say I was not attracted to 345 00:19:43,560 --> 00:19:47,159 Speaker 1: the prose style. No, I don't think. I don't think. 346 00:19:47,200 --> 00:19:49,320 Speaker 1: There are a lot of certainly modern critics that are 347 00:19:49,520 --> 00:19:52,640 Speaker 1: praising his prose. Now, one of the interesting things, since 348 00:19:52,680 --> 00:19:55,800 Speaker 1: this is the this is not the first book to 349 00:19:55,880 --> 00:19:58,520 Speaker 1: have these characters in it, you could consider this movie 350 00:19:58,520 --> 00:20:02,720 Speaker 1: a sequel to the nineteenth four all Spy Zero Satan's 351 00:20:02,840 --> 00:20:07,359 Speaker 1: thriller Forbidden Territory, directed by Phil Rosen and based on 352 00:20:07,440 --> 00:20:10,840 Speaker 1: the first Duke novel. Uh though the protagonist name and 353 00:20:10,880 --> 00:20:12,679 Speaker 1: I think all the main characters names are changed for 354 00:20:12,720 --> 00:20:16,800 Speaker 1: some reason. Alfred Hitchcock originally optioned the book. Speaking of 355 00:20:16,800 --> 00:20:20,199 Speaker 1: film adaptation, so Wheatley's occult novel to the Devil A 356 00:20:20,280 --> 00:20:23,600 Speaker 1: Daughter was adopted in nineteen seventy six, starring Christopher Lee, 357 00:20:24,240 --> 00:20:28,600 Speaker 1: Richard Winmark Denholm, Elliott, and Natasha Kinsky, and other films 358 00:20:28,600 --> 00:20:32,040 Speaker 1: based on his work include The Secret of Stambol and 359 00:20:32,119 --> 00:20:36,320 Speaker 1: The Lost Continent. He allegedly invited Alistair Crawley to dinner 360 00:20:36,400 --> 00:20:39,480 Speaker 1: to research The Devil Rides out ran across that tidbit. 361 00:20:39,520 --> 00:20:41,879 Speaker 1: I don't know if actually had dinner, maybe just invited him. 362 00:20:41,920 --> 00:20:45,199 Speaker 1: But anybody, anybody could invite Alistair Crawley to dinner, So 363 00:20:45,200 --> 00:20:47,679 Speaker 1: I don't know, well I would. I would say again, 364 00:20:47,800 --> 00:20:51,439 Speaker 1: one thing to stress about this is that this is 365 00:20:51,560 --> 00:20:54,320 Speaker 1: different than a lot of the other devil worship movies 366 00:20:54,600 --> 00:20:57,879 Speaker 1: horror movies that you might see from the early seventies, 367 00:20:57,920 --> 00:21:02,120 Speaker 1: because I would say this is it is in itself 368 00:21:02,200 --> 00:21:06,800 Speaker 1: and is based on material that is genuinely contemptuous of 369 00:21:07,520 --> 00:21:11,919 Speaker 1: any alternative religious practice or devil worship or anything perceived 370 00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:15,200 Speaker 1: as devil worship. It's it's like believes that is real, 371 00:21:15,720 --> 00:21:18,439 Speaker 1: that people actually do it, and it is evil and 372 00:21:18,480 --> 00:21:22,159 Speaker 1: will destroy you. So it this is I think that 373 00:21:22,240 --> 00:21:24,959 Speaker 1: the author here is not It's not just like exploitation. 374 00:21:25,080 --> 00:21:29,080 Speaker 1: It is genuine belief in the danger of the Satanic 375 00:21:29,160 --> 00:21:33,920 Speaker 1: forces massing against good society, right, yeah. They The original 376 00:21:33,960 --> 00:21:36,399 Speaker 1: intro by the author is is kind of funny to 377 00:21:36,440 --> 00:21:39,800 Speaker 1: read because he's like, uh, this is all fiction, but 378 00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:42,439 Speaker 1: I did research it, and I am convinced Satanists are 379 00:21:42,480 --> 00:21:45,160 Speaker 1: in London doing their thing. Don't try this at home, 380 00:21:45,200 --> 00:21:47,760 Speaker 1: because your soul is in danger, which is a weird 381 00:21:47,800 --> 00:21:51,480 Speaker 1: line to walk. It's like, I'm gonna exploit this. I'm 382 00:21:51,520 --> 00:21:54,720 Speaker 1: comfortable exploiting this, but don't look into this any further 383 00:21:54,800 --> 00:21:57,880 Speaker 1: than what I have presented here. It kind of reminds 384 00:21:57,880 --> 00:22:00,280 Speaker 1: me of like the Da Vinci Code, you know Dan 385 00:22:00,400 --> 00:22:02,520 Speaker 1: Brown books, where he's like, Okay, so this is a 386 00:22:02,560 --> 00:22:05,720 Speaker 1: work of fiction, but all of the historical claims and 387 00:22:05,840 --> 00:22:10,440 Speaker 1: the the situation of this story are one real and true, 388 00:22:10,520 --> 00:22:15,200 Speaker 1: which in the Dan Brown's case, they are not right alright, 389 00:22:15,240 --> 00:22:18,840 Speaker 1: so yes to my taste. Uh. Wheatley's work is kind 390 00:22:18,880 --> 00:22:21,320 Speaker 1: of insufferable and there are a lot of problems with it, 391 00:22:21,680 --> 00:22:26,440 Speaker 1: But the gentleman who adapted the screenplay is a writer 392 00:22:26,640 --> 00:22:29,119 Speaker 1: that I think holds up exceptionally well, and that is 393 00:22:29,200 --> 00:22:33,720 Speaker 1: the American novelist and screenwriter Richard Matheson, who lived nineteen 394 00:22:34,119 --> 00:22:37,920 Speaker 1: six through two thousand. American writer who is best remembered 395 00:22:37,960 --> 00:22:40,359 Speaker 1: as the author of the excellent nineteen fifty four novel 396 00:22:40,440 --> 00:22:43,359 Speaker 1: I Am a Legend, upon which three films have been based. 397 00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:46,399 Speaker 1: Sixty four is The Last Man on Earth starring Vincent Price, 398 00:22:47,560 --> 00:22:50,679 Speaker 1: The Omega Man starring Chuck Heston, and two thousand sevens 399 00:22:50,720 --> 00:22:53,520 Speaker 1: I Am Legend starring Will Smith. He also wrote the 400 00:22:53,520 --> 00:22:57,359 Speaker 1: excellent Haunted House novel Hell House, the Thriller Duel, and 401 00:22:57,400 --> 00:23:00,600 Speaker 1: The Shrinking Man. All these were adapted into films Duel 402 00:23:00,760 --> 00:23:04,640 Speaker 1: by a young Steven Spielberg as well as such. Other 403 00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:08,320 Speaker 1: adaptations include What Dreams May Come, A Stir of Echoes, 404 00:23:08,359 --> 00:23:11,760 Speaker 1: and others. He also wrote a lot of TV, including 405 00:23:11,800 --> 00:23:15,160 Speaker 1: sixteen episodes of the original Twilight Zone, including the iconic 406 00:23:15,320 --> 00:23:18,560 Speaker 1: Nightmare at twenty Thousand Feet episode, and he also wrote 407 00:23:18,560 --> 00:23:22,159 Speaker 1: for such shows as Night Gallery, Original Star Trek, The 408 00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:26,480 Speaker 1: Alfred Hitchcock Our Thriller Um and as far as films go, 409 00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:30,760 Speaker 1: his screenplays include Trilogy of Terror, uh Corman's House of Usher, 410 00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:34,280 Speaker 1: and of course Jaws three D Jaws three D. That 411 00:23:34,359 --> 00:23:38,960 Speaker 1: was Matheson. Yeah. I mean. One of the things about Matheson, 412 00:23:39,040 --> 00:23:41,399 Speaker 1: and this is something that Kim Newman points out, is 413 00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:44,560 Speaker 1: like Matheson was great. Matheson's we know work certainly holds 414 00:23:44,600 --> 00:23:47,320 Speaker 1: up to a modern readers so much better than Wheatley. 415 00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:49,840 Speaker 1: But also he worked with Corman a bit, so he 416 00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:53,760 Speaker 1: could also work very fast and and presumably he says, 417 00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:56,399 Speaker 1: you could probably work at a on a reasonable budget 418 00:23:56,440 --> 00:23:59,480 Speaker 1: if you were working for Corman. So okaye, so is 419 00:23:59,520 --> 00:24:02,440 Speaker 1: the Corman principle. It's like, you know, coming to Charles B. 420 00:24:02,560 --> 00:24:04,879 Speaker 1: Griffith and saying, I need a movie called Attack of 421 00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:09,119 Speaker 1: the Giant Crabs. It needs to be done in four days. Yeah, presumably. 422 00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:12,080 Speaker 1: But anyway, I mean written mathis is great and and 423 00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:15,000 Speaker 1: has has created so much wonderful work over the years. 424 00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:17,879 Speaker 1: So it's interesting though that in a very British film 425 00:24:17,920 --> 00:24:21,240 Speaker 1: we have this very American writing force that is adapting 426 00:24:21,280 --> 00:24:23,680 Speaker 1: it and tweaking it a little bit, and and also 427 00:24:23,800 --> 00:24:26,840 Speaker 1: and ultimately removing many things that probably didn't work all 428 00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:29,240 Speaker 1: that well in the Wheely novel. One last thing, I 429 00:24:29,280 --> 00:24:31,960 Speaker 1: didn't know that Matheson had written one of the Corman 430 00:24:32,119 --> 00:24:34,280 Speaker 1: Poe movies, and I've been thinking we need to do 431 00:24:34,359 --> 00:24:38,760 Speaker 1: one of the Corman Poe movies. Oh well, stay tuned, 432 00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:49,919 Speaker 1: we may just do that, all right. No, let's get 433 00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:52,919 Speaker 1: into the cast here. Uh so kind of like last 434 00:24:53,080 --> 00:24:56,280 Speaker 1: last episode last the last new episode we did. I mean, 435 00:24:57,119 --> 00:24:59,280 Speaker 1: what can you say about Christopher Lee who played the 436 00:24:59,359 --> 00:25:02,600 Speaker 1: duke here? Uh you know, we we He's been in 437 00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:06,760 Speaker 1: so many things I lived nineteen through. He has one 438 00:25:06,760 --> 00:25:09,399 Speaker 1: of those careers that had like multiple you know, you 439 00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:11,560 Speaker 1: had some sort of dips here and there, but also 440 00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:14,479 Speaker 1: you know, especially later in life, he was in so 441 00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:17,560 Speaker 1: many great films and you know, memorable films at least. 442 00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:24,919 Speaker 1: Uh you know, he's known for playing so many villains. Dracula, Sorrowman, Uh, Scottamana, 443 00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:31,439 Speaker 1: Count Dooku, Lord Uh, Summer Isle, Frankenstein's Monster, Carris The Mummy. 444 00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:35,159 Speaker 1: He also voiced the villain King Hadrid in two is 445 00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:39,080 Speaker 1: the Last Unicorn, which I just watched more than half 446 00:25:39,119 --> 00:25:42,000 Speaker 1: of with um with my family last night, and I 447 00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:45,879 Speaker 1: was really enjoying that so and that also reminded I 448 00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:48,280 Speaker 1: was looking up some stuff about Last Unicorn on Last 449 00:25:48,359 --> 00:25:51,479 Speaker 1: Unicorn is one of these where they hired Christopher Lee 450 00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:53,920 Speaker 1: for it, and he was very enthusiastic about it, apparently 451 00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:57,040 Speaker 1: a big reader, and he showed up with the original 452 00:25:57,080 --> 00:26:01,439 Speaker 1: novel with things that earmarked, uh, saying these absolutely cannot 453 00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:03,520 Speaker 1: be cut. These lines have to stay in the in 454 00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:06,520 Speaker 1: the picture. And he apparently did this with Lord of 455 00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:09,680 Speaker 1: the Rings as well, and and probably with this film, 456 00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:11,880 Speaker 1: because I understand that The Devil Rides Out was also 457 00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:13,320 Speaker 1: a film where he liked the book, and he was 458 00:26:13,359 --> 00:26:16,399 Speaker 1: really excited for the film and probably showed up with 459 00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:19,080 Speaker 1: the book and was like, no, Sorr, I'm sorry, Matheson, 460 00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:21,760 Speaker 1: this goes in, This stays in the picture. That's funny 461 00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:24,639 Speaker 1: because I actually watched part of an interview or I 462 00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:26,840 Speaker 1: think it was an audience Q and A with some 463 00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:30,480 Speaker 1: event that that he was doing, and a member of 464 00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:32,919 Speaker 1: the audience asks him, you know, it's been rumored that 465 00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:36,080 Speaker 1: you have a large occult library. Is that true? And 466 00:26:36,119 --> 00:26:38,119 Speaker 1: how did you get interested in that? And he says, no, 467 00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:40,320 Speaker 1: it is not true. I have maybe four or five 468 00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:42,960 Speaker 1: books on the occult and one of them, he says, 469 00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:45,960 Speaker 1: is an original copy of The Devil Rides Out, signed 470 00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:49,000 Speaker 1: by the author. So he's clearly a fan. But then 471 00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:52,600 Speaker 1: he also cautions the audience not to experiment with devil worship. 472 00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:57,399 Speaker 1: He's basically the dick Um. But I mean, yeah, I 473 00:26:57,400 --> 00:27:00,800 Speaker 1: gotta love Christopher Lee. Um, it's hard pick a favorite role. 474 00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:03,639 Speaker 1: I'm tempted to go. I mean, he he is saw Rouman. 475 00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:06,600 Speaker 1: To me, it's one of those performances that is so 476 00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:10,400 Speaker 1: thoroughly the character that it replaces whatever imagination you might 477 00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:12,720 Speaker 1: have had from the book before you saw the movie. 478 00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:15,800 Speaker 1: He just embodies it perfectly. But then the other thing 479 00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:18,160 Speaker 1: I would say, maybe even more than that, is Lord Sumerle. 480 00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:20,719 Speaker 1: I mean he is he is the gentleman pagan from 481 00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:25,160 Speaker 1: The wicker Man. It's it's it just can't be beat. Yeah, yeah, 482 00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:27,800 Speaker 1: these these are all great roles. I love all the 483 00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:30,480 Speaker 1: roles that I mentioned already, And and there are plenty 484 00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:33,720 Speaker 1: of Christopher Rely performances out there I haven't seen, so 485 00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:35,840 Speaker 1: I'm sure there's some other gems. I know. One thing 486 00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:37,960 Speaker 1: I've said on the show before, I'm I'm not a 487 00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:41,520 Speaker 1: huge fan of the the Star Wars prequels, but there's 488 00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:44,760 Speaker 1: always that moment when Christopher Lee shows up in them 489 00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:47,520 Speaker 1: where I think, the way I've put it before, and 490 00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:50,359 Speaker 1: I would stand by this is that it's like in 491 00:27:50,359 --> 00:27:54,160 Speaker 1: a movie that is kind of stuffy and suffocating, Christopher 492 00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:56,359 Speaker 1: Lee walks on screen and suddenly it's like someone has 493 00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:58,920 Speaker 1: opened a window and let fresh air in and now 494 00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:02,920 Speaker 1: everything's oh, oh, things feel great now. Yeah. Yeah. I 495 00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:07,120 Speaker 1: love his betrayal of Douku in in those two Star 496 00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:09,280 Speaker 1: Wars films, and I especially love in the opening of 497 00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:10,880 Speaker 1: the Revenge of the Seth where you have that that's 498 00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:13,760 Speaker 1: that duel between Anakin and Douku, and then of course 499 00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:19,160 Speaker 1: you have Palpatine watching on and ultimately deciding its fate. Yeah, 500 00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:21,280 Speaker 1: that's it's a great sequence, and and Lee's great in 501 00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:24,240 Speaker 1: it because he's you know, he's he's very much. He's great. 502 00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:26,120 Speaker 1: He was always great at playing this kind of grandiose 503 00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:29,280 Speaker 1: and egotistical villain. And then we get to see like 504 00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:34,360 Speaker 1: the vulnerability briefly as he's betrayed by his master. So yeah, 505 00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:37,560 Speaker 1: literally always brought brought something great to the to the table. 506 00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:40,840 Speaker 1: But anyway, it's an interesting casting choice for this character 507 00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:43,680 Speaker 1: of the Duke de Richelow that the protagonist of the movie, 508 00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:47,600 Speaker 1: who who represents order in the side of good against 509 00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:50,640 Speaker 1: against the chaos and evil of of Charles Gray. As 510 00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:55,680 Speaker 1: as Mr Mocatta. But yeah, it's I'm kind of wondering, like, 511 00:28:56,040 --> 00:28:58,240 Speaker 1: could you have cast somebody else in this role and 512 00:28:58,280 --> 00:29:00,960 Speaker 1: how would the movie be different if you have? Yeah, 513 00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:04,000 Speaker 1: Like part of me was thinking, well, maybe, like maybe Lee, 514 00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:07,040 Speaker 1: especially at this point, wasn't as good at like portraying 515 00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:11,560 Speaker 1: like likable and vulnerable characteristics, like whereas someone like Peter 516 00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:15,360 Speaker 1: Cushing his close friend and you know in Frequent co Star, 517 00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:18,080 Speaker 1: maybe he would have been able to deliver that better. 518 00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:20,320 Speaker 1: But then again, I come back to the way this 519 00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:23,440 Speaker 1: characters are written, and maybe anybody would have been stuffy 520 00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:26,640 Speaker 1: and unlikable in this role. One thing I gotta say 521 00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:30,320 Speaker 1: is the the bizarre choice and and maybe this reflects 522 00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:34,720 Speaker 1: how the esthetics of of Satanism have changed over time. 523 00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:39,000 Speaker 1: But they give Christopher Lee devil worship or facial here. 524 00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:43,920 Speaker 1: They give him the classic Satanist goatee when he's when 525 00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:47,320 Speaker 1: he's playing the guy who's against the Satanists. Yeah, and 526 00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:49,760 Speaker 1: then it is interesting when we look at who's playing 527 00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:53,600 Speaker 1: his adversary, Mokata, the the the high priest of the 528 00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:57,440 Speaker 1: like the London chapter of the Church, it's not actually 529 00:29:57,480 --> 00:29:59,640 Speaker 1: the Church of Satan but this whatever the satanic cult 530 00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:02,840 Speaker 1: is called in itself. Um, this is played by Charles Gray, 531 00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:06,080 Speaker 1: who lived through the year two thousand. I think they're 532 00:30:06,080 --> 00:30:09,680 Speaker 1: called the Friends of the Goat Friends of the Goat. Okay, 533 00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:13,280 Speaker 1: So Gray not as legendary as Christopher Lee perhaps, but 534 00:30:13,320 --> 00:30:16,040 Speaker 1: certainly I celebrated British character actor in his own right, 535 00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:19,800 Speaker 1: often remembered for playing aristocratic and villainous roles, you know, 536 00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:23,640 Speaker 1: very sort of tight lip to the clinch Jarard villains, 537 00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:27,400 Speaker 1: very British. Uh. But he played some big ones. We 538 00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:31,240 Speaker 1: already mentioned his his run as Blowfeld and Diamonds Are Forever. 539 00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:34,000 Speaker 1: But he also he also played a good guy in 540 00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:37,000 Speaker 1: sixty seven's You Only Live Twice. So he's actually in 541 00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:40,240 Speaker 1: two Bond films. Oh that's right. He's like another spy 542 00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:45,160 Speaker 1: who Bond meets somewhere. And I remember he gets a 543 00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:48,320 Speaker 1: knife in the back through a paper wall, don't I 544 00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:52,160 Speaker 1: don't remember that. But um, he isn't fun. He played 545 00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:56,760 Speaker 1: Microft Holmes. This is Sherlock Holmes brother, both in the 546 00:30:56,840 --> 00:31:00,520 Speaker 1: nineteen seventies six film The Seven Percent Solution and also 547 00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:05,000 Speaker 1: in the Jeremy Brett Excellent Jeremy Brett Granada television series 548 00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:08,560 Speaker 1: of Sherlock Holmes. Oh, I've got to see those. Oh yeah, yeah, 549 00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:10,520 Speaker 1: he's he's a lot of fun. And wait was the 550 00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:15,600 Speaker 1: seven percent solution? Is that? Um? Nicholas Meyer? It is, yes, 551 00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:18,360 Speaker 1: that this was his novel. Yes, I bet that's great. 552 00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:20,240 Speaker 1: But of course, for many of you out there, Charles 553 00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:23,760 Speaker 1: Gray is best remembered as the criminologist, an expert in 554 00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:27,640 Speaker 1: the Rocky Horror Picture Show It's just to jump to 555 00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:30,960 Speaker 1: the left, yeah, but even a lot of other things too. 556 00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:33,440 Speaker 1: For instance, he was in Richard O'Brien's follow up musical 557 00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:36,880 Speaker 1: film Shock Treatment, which I have not been able to 558 00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:39,600 Speaker 1: get into yet. Um. I keep thinking, oh, I love 559 00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:42,240 Speaker 1: Rocky Horror. I'll give Shock Treatment to try, and I'll 560 00:31:42,280 --> 00:31:44,040 Speaker 1: listen to the music a little bit. And it just 561 00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:47,440 Speaker 1: hasn't happened. He's also in the The Wonderful, really Fun 562 00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:50,680 Speaker 1: nineteen seventy four Werewolf Who Done It? The Beast Must Die? 563 00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:52,800 Speaker 1: This is the film that has a werewolf break. As 564 00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:56,080 Speaker 1: you'll remember, Jeremy, so you can collect your thoughts about 565 00:31:56,120 --> 00:32:00,680 Speaker 1: who the werewolf is. He also dubbed for Ac Hawkins 566 00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:03,440 Speaker 1: in the film Theater of Blood and others. After Hawkins 567 00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:06,480 Speaker 1: learn X was removed to combat throat cancer. Theater of 568 00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:08,760 Speaker 1: Blood is the other movie we talked about in the 569 00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:13,200 Speaker 1: episode with about Dr Fibes. It was the other movie 570 00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:18,600 Speaker 1: where Vincent Price must return from the grave or after 571 00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:21,760 Speaker 1: being assumed dead, to get revenge on nine specific people 572 00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:26,800 Speaker 1: who he believed wronged him. So Gray, it's fun in this, 573 00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:29,479 Speaker 1: but he's he's very much playing a kind of stern 574 00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:34,239 Speaker 1: and serious Alistair Crowley with hair, but also as uh, 575 00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:36,680 Speaker 1: this is I thought. Another fun tid that that Kim 576 00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:41,800 Speaker 1: Newman points out is he's kind of playing Alistair Crowley's 577 00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:45,240 Speaker 1: idea of what Alistair Crowley seemed like to everybody else, 578 00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:49,000 Speaker 1: you know, like like Crowley himself was you know, you know, 579 00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:51,760 Speaker 1: a bit of a con man in his own right, 580 00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:54,840 Speaker 1: you know, and was many other things. But but he 581 00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:56,680 Speaker 1: may have thought that he came off like this to 582 00:32:56,760 --> 00:33:01,800 Speaker 1: other people, this highly charismatic British occultist with hypnotic eyes 583 00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:05,440 Speaker 1: that just instantly has power over everyone when he walks 584 00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:07,840 Speaker 1: into a room. And then the other interesting thing is 585 00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:10,240 Speaker 1: that you have this character that this is a film 586 00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:13,840 Speaker 1: again where Satan evert anything that's not British and Christian 587 00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:19,480 Speaker 1: is potentially Satan. Satanist in nature, um is potentially Satanism. 588 00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:22,239 Speaker 1: And you have his character with his name Mokata that 589 00:33:22,280 --> 00:33:25,960 Speaker 1: I'm to understand maybe has more of an international flair 590 00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:28,080 Speaker 1: in the novel, but here we have him played by 591 00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:31,600 Speaker 1: a very British actor with a very British performance. Yeah. 592 00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:34,560 Speaker 1: I don't know how much we've emphasized that the xenophobic 593 00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:37,440 Speaker 1: themes of this movie already, but yeah, there is very 594 00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:41,040 Speaker 1: much a sense that like that which is foreign is 595 00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:45,959 Speaker 1: very likely associated with the devil. Uh, though, I'm I'm 596 00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:48,120 Speaker 1: a little confused. I don't know. I know there's a 597 00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:52,440 Speaker 1: always some cultural crossover between between Britain and France. But 598 00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:56,520 Speaker 1: as Richelow supposed to be British or French, his name 599 00:33:56,640 --> 00:34:01,720 Speaker 1: is French, and he mentions, um, I think he mentions 600 00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:05,360 Speaker 1: that he and another character that their fathers had worked 601 00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:08,680 Speaker 1: together in some kind of French organization. But he also 602 00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:11,759 Speaker 1: just in every other way, appears to be British. Yeah, 603 00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:14,600 Speaker 1: it's very confusing because it's a very French name, but 604 00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:19,080 Speaker 1: in the film at least, it's a very British portrayal. Likewise, um, 605 00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:21,319 Speaker 1: you know, Makata seems to have been played up in 606 00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:25,080 Speaker 1: the novel for being something kind of you know, international 607 00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:27,600 Speaker 1: and and the foreign and threatening. But of course, uh 608 00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:32,120 Speaker 1: Mokatta's The name Okada has been has been very British 609 00:34:32,160 --> 00:34:33,759 Speaker 1: for a long time. I mean, I believe it's tied 610 00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:37,319 Speaker 1: to some important banking families and so forth. So I'm 611 00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:39,560 Speaker 1: a little confused on that. All right, should we go 612 00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:42,319 Speaker 1: to the next actor? Um yeah. I was trying to 613 00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:44,480 Speaker 1: find how to pronounce her name, and I was sorry 614 00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:46,680 Speaker 1: that I could not find a good example of it 615 00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:49,400 Speaker 1: being said out loud. But it is. Her name is 616 00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:52,840 Speaker 1: I think nick A Regie. Her first name is spelled 617 00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:55,840 Speaker 1: like the brand Nike in I K E. But I 618 00:34:55,880 --> 00:35:00,520 Speaker 1: guess that's Nika. Yeah. She plays Tenneth carlyle Um in 619 00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:04,560 Speaker 1: this film, which is probably one of the more likable characters. 620 00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:07,280 Speaker 1: It's a it's a very low bar in this film, 621 00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:12,000 Speaker 1: but um yeah. She's born seven French visual artist and 622 00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:14,920 Speaker 1: former actor. As an actor, she was only actor from 623 00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:17,840 Speaker 1: I believe nineteen sixties six through nineteen seventy four, appearing 624 00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:21,319 Speaker 1: in various European horror and art house films. She had 625 00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:24,399 Speaker 1: a small part in Kin Russell's nineteen sixty nine film 626 00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:29,000 Speaker 1: Women in Love. Nineteen seventy one's Countess Dracula. Other films 627 00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:32,840 Speaker 1: include parts in Sunday Bloody Sunday playing a nun and 628 00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:37,320 Speaker 1: Kin Russell's The Devil's Uh Season in Hell The Perfume 629 00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:39,680 Speaker 1: of the Lady in Black. That was her last picture, 630 00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:42,839 Speaker 1: but then she went on to focus on her art, 631 00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:45,319 Speaker 1: and she has a website and you can look at 632 00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:47,520 Speaker 1: examples of her art there. Some of these look like 633 00:35:47,560 --> 00:35:51,560 Speaker 1: surrealistic oil and watercolor pieces. Yeah. I was looking through 634 00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:54,080 Speaker 1: her paintings and I really like some of them. They're 635 00:35:54,120 --> 00:35:59,200 Speaker 1: they're interesting. So some are just like like watercolor landscapes 636 00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:02,399 Speaker 1: showing on a waterfall or a city skyline or something, 637 00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:05,880 Speaker 1: and then others are really surreal. There's one of these 638 00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:10,319 Speaker 1: women in I don't know, having like a big it 639 00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:12,120 Speaker 1: might be one of those like things they put on 640 00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:13,560 Speaker 1: your I don't know what these are called, these things 641 00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:15,360 Speaker 1: they put on your head at the hairdresser that like 642 00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:18,360 Speaker 1: do a perm on you or something. Um, it's like 643 00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:22,560 Speaker 1: a big glass helmet, but it's absurdly large in the painting, 644 00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:25,200 Speaker 1: making it look more like a science fiction device, like 645 00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:28,319 Speaker 1: it's scanning this this lady's brain while she's sitting there 646 00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:30,360 Speaker 1: with rollers in her hair, holding a baby it's a 647 00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:33,080 Speaker 1: very i don't know, weird interesting painting, and I like 648 00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:36,040 Speaker 1: it at any rate. She's good in this. She's acting 649 00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:40,319 Speaker 1: opposite a whole lot of stiff, unlikable male characters. Uh so, 650 00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:43,120 Speaker 1: but it's easily the character that seems to have like 651 00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:46,480 Speaker 1: the most inner conflict. Uh you know, she's she's not 652 00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:49,000 Speaker 1: ultimately not given a tremendous amount of agency in this, 653 00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:51,239 Speaker 1: So it's not you know, it's not one of like, 654 00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:54,439 Speaker 1: you know, the great roles one might hope for, but 655 00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:57,800 Speaker 1: you know, she she breathes a lot of life into it. Yeah, 656 00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:00,520 Speaker 1: there are several parts where she just has to gaze 657 00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:04,320 Speaker 1: into the camera with like with hypnotized or possessed eyes, 658 00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:07,480 Speaker 1: and her eyelids go super wide, and she she has 659 00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:10,000 Speaker 1: some kind of quality to her irises that makes them 660 00:37:10,080 --> 00:37:15,600 Speaker 1: really good for this kind of shot. That looks intense alright. 661 00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:19,560 Speaker 1: The next actor of note is Leon Green playing Rex 662 00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:22,960 Speaker 1: Van Ryan, though the character is dubbed by Patrick Allen. 663 00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:28,319 Speaker 1: Green live British actor who appeared in such films as 664 00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:30,200 Speaker 1: a Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the Forum 665 00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:33,600 Speaker 1: and Flash Gordon. In this he is the ultimate square 666 00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:37,640 Speaker 1: jaw British man who is ready to punch Satanists, punch windshields, 667 00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:40,360 Speaker 1: whatever it takes, if you mean saving a pretty lady 668 00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:43,759 Speaker 1: from non British ideas. He is our turbo lug. You 669 00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:46,360 Speaker 1: I think you mentioned when we were chatting about it, 670 00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:50,360 Speaker 1: you said Rex is ready to punch and kiss, and 671 00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:54,200 Speaker 1: that that's about it. Yeah. Somehow I kept thinking, well, 672 00:37:54,880 --> 00:37:58,239 Speaker 1: this doesn't quite communicate his physical genre, which is sort 673 00:37:58,280 --> 00:38:01,160 Speaker 1: of hunky lug. But he reminded me of a cross 674 00:38:01,200 --> 00:38:05,359 Speaker 1: between Chris Cooper and Buddy Hackett. Yeah, I can see 675 00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:09,640 Speaker 1: that he's also our our skeptic for like three minutes 676 00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:12,560 Speaker 1: anyway in the film, because he's because the Duke is like, 677 00:38:12,920 --> 00:38:15,960 Speaker 1: Satanism is real and it's a major threat to everything 678 00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:19,640 Speaker 1: we know and love and that at all. But then 679 00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:21,400 Speaker 1: but then the Duke is like look at this, and 680 00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:25,640 Speaker 1: then Rex is like, I'm convinced the famous the power 681 00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:28,880 Speaker 1: of Darkness is a living force. Speech. Yeah. So a 682 00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:31,400 Speaker 1: lot of this film is going to concern another character 683 00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:34,960 Speaker 1: who they're very concerned about um, and that is the 684 00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:40,160 Speaker 1: character Simon Aaron played by Patrick mower Bor, still active 685 00:38:40,200 --> 00:38:44,040 Speaker 1: as he was just on a British series called Emmerdale Farm. 686 00:38:44,040 --> 00:38:46,239 Speaker 1: He's done a bunch of TV work, as well as 687 00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:50,080 Speaker 1: such films as the nineteen seventy vincent Price movie Cry 688 00:38:50,160 --> 00:38:55,120 Speaker 1: of the Banshee and es in Since for the Damned. Uh. 689 00:38:55,200 --> 00:38:57,680 Speaker 1: He's pretty good in this in part because again his 690 00:38:57,840 --> 00:38:59,840 Speaker 1: character is one of the few that seems to be 691 00:38:59,880 --> 00:39:02,799 Speaker 1: in genuine conflict and gets to act a little bit 692 00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:05,400 Speaker 1: more and ultimately, ultimately maybe it's a little more relatable. 693 00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:08,680 Speaker 1: I kept thinking he looks like Toby maguire. He kind 694 00:39:08,680 --> 00:39:12,080 Speaker 1: of does. Yeah, he does. Quick note that we have 695 00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:14,719 Speaker 1: we have we have that goat monster, the Goat of 696 00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:18,560 Speaker 1: Mendies that shows up later on. Uh. This is uncredited 697 00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:21,239 Speaker 1: played by Eddie Powell, who of seven through the year 698 00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:24,760 Speaker 1: two thousand and six five British stunt man who also 699 00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:28,200 Speaker 1: wound up in costumes such creatures as the Zena morph 700 00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:32,560 Speaker 1: in Alien for stunt purposes, The Mummy and the Mummy 701 00:39:32,640 --> 00:39:35,960 Speaker 1: Shroud and Yeah, and this film he plays the goat himself. 702 00:39:36,520 --> 00:39:40,040 Speaker 1: Powell also did stunts on such films as Willow Legend, Batman, 703 00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:44,640 Speaker 1: Indiana Jones and The Last Crusade, Krull and various Bond movies. 704 00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:48,240 Speaker 1: On that note, speaking of monsters, I'm just gonna briefly 705 00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:51,480 Speaker 1: mention the makeup effects artists responsible for many of Hammer's 706 00:39:51,640 --> 00:39:55,239 Speaker 1: best monsters. Roy Ashton was the monster maker on this 707 00:39:58,040 --> 00:40:03,440 Speaker 1: and then the music U This is James Bernard two 708 00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:06,400 Speaker 1: thousand and one, a classmate of Christopher Lee's at Wellington College. 709 00:40:06,640 --> 00:40:08,560 Speaker 1: He composed the scores of a whole bunch of Hammer 710 00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:11,600 Speaker 1: horror films, and later in life he wrote an original 711 00:40:11,640 --> 00:40:25,200 Speaker 1: score for Nosferatu. Alright, are you ready to talk about 712 00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:27,279 Speaker 1: the plot a little bit? Let's do it. Okay, So 713 00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:30,360 Speaker 1: the movie starts with a reunion of old friends. We 714 00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:34,120 Speaker 1: get Rex van Wren again. This is played by Leon Green, 715 00:40:34,680 --> 00:40:38,960 Speaker 1: arriving by aeroplane which he pilots himself and landing in 716 00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:41,400 Speaker 1: some kind of I don't know field. It's just like 717 00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:45,080 Speaker 1: a landing strip in somewhere in rural England, it looks like. 718 00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:48,160 Speaker 1: And he meets with Christopher Lee, playing the Duke de Richlow, 719 00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:51,120 Speaker 1: who is watching with binoculars as he lands. And I 720 00:40:51,160 --> 00:40:55,239 Speaker 1: assume Rex is arriving from overseas, but I'm not positive. Yeah, 721 00:40:55,360 --> 00:40:57,879 Speaker 1: I think in the books he's actually American, even which 722 00:40:57,920 --> 00:41:03,280 Speaker 1: is interesting. Just englished him right up. Anyway, they appear 723 00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:07,720 Speaker 1: to be old friends reunited after some time apart, and uh, 724 00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:10,640 Speaker 1: and so we learned that they have a mutual friend 725 00:41:10,719 --> 00:41:13,879 Speaker 1: named Simon. And Rex is curious, where is he? Why 726 00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:15,960 Speaker 1: is it he here to greet me at the airfield 727 00:41:16,040 --> 00:41:18,879 Speaker 1: like you, And the Duke says, well, he hasn't heard 728 00:41:18,920 --> 00:41:21,759 Speaker 1: from Simon in three months. He doesn't go to his 729 00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:25,480 Speaker 1: club in London anymore, which that's a horrible sign. And 730 00:41:25,560 --> 00:41:28,440 Speaker 1: he's moved into a large house in the country. And 731 00:41:28,520 --> 00:41:30,839 Speaker 1: Rex is worried that Simon might be in some kind 732 00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:33,600 Speaker 1: of trouble. But I immediately that this should be an 733 00:41:33,600 --> 00:41:35,920 Speaker 1: alarm belve or how this character is going to go. 734 00:41:36,280 --> 00:41:38,640 Speaker 1: The Duke is like, now, that's preposterous. He would have 735 00:41:38,680 --> 00:41:42,360 Speaker 1: told me if he was in trouble. But they decided 736 00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:45,160 Speaker 1: to go pay him a visit. Oh and when they do, 737 00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:47,120 Speaker 1: I don't know if you notice the same detail. It 738 00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:49,880 Speaker 1: involves the duke. They get into the back of a 739 00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:52,600 Speaker 1: car and the Duke talks through some kind of hose 740 00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:56,879 Speaker 1: lined with red velvet to tell the driver where to go. Yeah, 741 00:41:57,040 --> 00:41:59,319 Speaker 1: I don't. I don't think I remember seeing this in 742 00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:01,000 Speaker 1: a film before, but I guess this must have been 743 00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:04,600 Speaker 1: a thing because it's supposed to take place in the thirties, 744 00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:07,360 Speaker 1: I believe. Yeah, So he talks into the velvet hose 745 00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:09,879 Speaker 1: and then yeah, they get there. So they head out 746 00:42:09,880 --> 00:42:12,840 Speaker 1: to Simon's mansion, and as soon as they're at his 747 00:42:12,920 --> 00:42:17,560 Speaker 1: doorstep ringing the bell, twilight has fallen. There's creepy music playing. 748 00:42:17,960 --> 00:42:21,720 Speaker 1: A butler answers the door, and Christopher Lee is immediately 749 00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:25,040 Speaker 1: highly suspicious. You see him squinting and furrowing his brows 750 00:42:25,080 --> 00:42:26,920 Speaker 1: at everything in the house. He just like looks at 751 00:42:26,920 --> 00:42:32,960 Speaker 1: a vase suspiciously, and he gazes into an open doorway 752 00:42:33,080 --> 00:42:36,560 Speaker 1: like that's trouble. And then they get led into the 753 00:42:36,600 --> 00:42:39,560 Speaker 1: next room, where it looks like Simon must be hosting 754 00:42:39,560 --> 00:42:42,680 Speaker 1: a nice party. And again it's one of those things 755 00:42:42,680 --> 00:42:44,680 Speaker 1: where you look at the party, it looks like there's 756 00:42:44,719 --> 00:42:47,040 Speaker 1: nothing wrong with it at all. It looks nice. But 757 00:42:47,120 --> 00:42:49,800 Speaker 1: the Duke immediately appears to have some kind of internal 758 00:42:49,840 --> 00:42:53,600 Speaker 1: alarm sirens screaming in his brain. But I would say 759 00:42:53,640 --> 00:42:56,120 Speaker 1: the only thing that looks unusual about the party is 760 00:42:56,120 --> 00:42:58,560 Speaker 1: that like you walk through and you like hear people talking, 761 00:42:58,600 --> 00:43:01,440 Speaker 1: and you see people's clothes and stuff, and it appears 762 00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:04,320 Speaker 1: that not everyone here is from England, Like there appear 763 00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:07,520 Speaker 1: to be people from all throughout continental Europe and West 764 00:43:07,560 --> 00:43:12,280 Speaker 1: Africa and South Asia, and then they're like, dear God. Yeah, 765 00:43:12,320 --> 00:43:15,680 Speaker 1: I mean there's nothing in this saying that would make 766 00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:18,400 Speaker 1: you think it's anything other than maybe a you know, 767 00:43:18,680 --> 00:43:22,680 Speaker 1: various academics from around the world have gathered to discuss uh, 768 00:43:22,719 --> 00:43:26,360 Speaker 1: you know, policy or something. Yeah, you know, un meeting 769 00:43:26,440 --> 00:43:29,000 Speaker 1: or something. But yeah, but they're just they're just immediately horrified. 770 00:43:29,040 --> 00:43:32,319 Speaker 1: This is no good. Simon is in the deep so yeah, again, 771 00:43:32,360 --> 00:43:35,160 Speaker 1: I think this is showing these weird xenophobic assumptions of 772 00:43:35,200 --> 00:43:37,280 Speaker 1: the movie. Is just like, oh, there's tons of people 773 00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:40,520 Speaker 1: from other countries here. This must be devil worship. So 774 00:43:40,600 --> 00:43:42,480 Speaker 1: they see Simon, they come up and talk to him. 775 00:43:43,360 --> 00:43:46,720 Speaker 1: Rex is like, sorry for interrupting your party, and Simon 776 00:43:46,840 --> 00:43:49,080 Speaker 1: is like, oh, it's just a meeting of a little 777 00:43:49,320 --> 00:43:54,040 Speaker 1: astronomical society I've joined. So because they looked outside when 778 00:43:54,080 --> 00:43:56,400 Speaker 1: they were when they were outside earlier, they looked up 779 00:43:56,400 --> 00:43:58,560 Speaker 1: and there appears to be some kind of like observatory 780 00:43:58,640 --> 00:44:01,680 Speaker 1: dome at the top of his new house. And then 781 00:44:01,719 --> 00:44:05,400 Speaker 1: we meet some major characters. We meet Mr Mokatta played 782 00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:07,840 Speaker 1: by Charles Gray. He's not scary yet in this scene. 783 00:44:07,880 --> 00:44:10,920 Speaker 1: In this scene, he's more in Blowfeld mode. He just 784 00:44:11,160 --> 00:44:13,240 Speaker 1: has to say, you know, well, well, excuse me, gentlemen, 785 00:44:13,239 --> 00:44:15,359 Speaker 1: there's something I must say to Simon and he takes 786 00:44:15,400 --> 00:44:17,479 Speaker 1: him aside, and then they get a moment to speak 787 00:44:17,520 --> 00:44:22,280 Speaker 1: with Tanneth played by Nika Rigi, and she's confused about 788 00:44:22,280 --> 00:44:25,120 Speaker 1: their presence. I think she assumes that they are part 789 00:44:25,160 --> 00:44:27,880 Speaker 1: of the coven. But then she says, surely we're not 790 00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:30,680 Speaker 1: meant to be more than thirteen. And as soon as 791 00:44:30,719 --> 00:44:33,560 Speaker 1: she says thirteen, this gets a dramatic wheel about from 792 00:44:33,640 --> 00:44:36,000 Speaker 1: Christopher Lee. You know, he whips his head with his 793 00:44:36,040 --> 00:44:40,160 Speaker 1: eyes wide and you know that like he's really sure 794 00:44:40,200 --> 00:44:43,120 Speaker 1: that there's trouble now. So they're asked to leave, but 795 00:44:43,239 --> 00:44:46,480 Speaker 1: first the Duke asks, uh, you know, before we depart, 796 00:44:46,520 --> 00:44:49,200 Speaker 1: may I see your observatory because he says he's recently 797 00:44:49,239 --> 00:44:52,239 Speaker 1: become interested in astronomy. He would like a peek through 798 00:44:52,280 --> 00:44:55,920 Speaker 1: the telescope and Simon tries to object, but as always 799 00:44:55,920 --> 00:44:58,160 Speaker 1: in this movie, Christopher Lee just gives him the do 800 00:44:58,400 --> 00:45:01,399 Speaker 1: as I command, you I and then they head on up. 801 00:45:01,880 --> 00:45:04,600 Speaker 1: Now we'll see this observatory room in a couple of scenes, 802 00:45:04,640 --> 00:45:08,160 Speaker 1: but there there is a giant goathead baff mat on 803 00:45:08,239 --> 00:45:11,560 Speaker 1: the floor tiles, and another one I think on the wall. 804 00:45:11,640 --> 00:45:13,520 Speaker 1: And when they come in there like this is interesting 805 00:45:13,600 --> 00:45:17,480 Speaker 1: or these astronomical charts, Simon's just like, oh, it's just 806 00:45:17,520 --> 00:45:22,279 Speaker 1: a decoration. But then the real, the real thing that 807 00:45:22,280 --> 00:45:24,719 Speaker 1: that seals the deal is there's some noises in the 808 00:45:24,719 --> 00:45:27,040 Speaker 1: closet and we get the chicken reveal. Rob, do you 809 00:45:27,040 --> 00:45:29,520 Speaker 1: want to describe this moment? Oh? Well, this is this 810 00:45:29,600 --> 00:45:33,480 Speaker 1: is great. So in just like pure inquisitor mode um, 811 00:45:33,520 --> 00:45:36,320 Speaker 1: the duke goes over to the closet, pulls it open, 812 00:45:36,680 --> 00:45:38,839 Speaker 1: and you know, we we see this, you know, view 813 00:45:39,120 --> 00:45:41,759 Speaker 1: the shot. It's shot from the closet, horrified look on 814 00:45:41,840 --> 00:45:45,319 Speaker 1: his face because he opens his basket and there are 815 00:45:45,320 --> 00:45:48,319 Speaker 1: a couple of chickens in there. Uh, and these are 816 00:45:48,320 --> 00:45:51,800 Speaker 1: the hallmarks of black magic. You can't practice black magic 817 00:45:52,120 --> 00:45:56,160 Speaker 1: unless you've got some chickens around to sacrifice. I guess, yeah, 818 00:45:56,239 --> 00:45:58,960 Speaker 1: But it was the pair of chickens that that clinched 819 00:45:58,960 --> 00:46:01,719 Speaker 1: it that this is definitely black magic, and not the 820 00:46:01,719 --> 00:46:04,960 Speaker 1: Bafomet circle on the floor right right. The Bafomet circle 821 00:46:05,080 --> 00:46:08,399 Speaker 1: is certainly like there are other reasons to have chickens around. Uh, 822 00:46:08,440 --> 00:46:10,040 Speaker 1: there would even be other reasons to have, say, a 823 00:46:10,120 --> 00:46:13,640 Speaker 1: black cat and a chicken around, but to have the 824 00:46:13,719 --> 00:46:18,040 Speaker 1: like the full baffo met floor. Yeah, that's that suggests 825 00:46:18,080 --> 00:46:20,600 Speaker 1: something else. Oh but then we get the so he 826 00:46:20,640 --> 00:46:23,920 Speaker 1: sees the chickens and Lee knows for sure what's going on, 827 00:46:24,680 --> 00:46:27,440 Speaker 1: And then we get I would say the line of 828 00:46:27,480 --> 00:46:29,600 Speaker 1: the film that stands out more than any other, which 829 00:46:29,640 --> 00:46:32,439 Speaker 1: is he turns to Simon, he says, you fool, I'd 830 00:46:32,520 --> 00:46:36,279 Speaker 1: rather see you dead than practicing black magic. It's such 831 00:46:36,320 --> 00:46:38,920 Speaker 1: a it's such a great in telling line like this. 832 00:46:39,640 --> 00:46:43,720 Speaker 1: It maybe it just adds extra unlikeability to this character, 833 00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:46,920 Speaker 1: you know, um, like I would I would rather you 834 00:46:47,000 --> 00:46:51,200 Speaker 1: be dead than adhere to some ideology that doesn't perfectly 835 00:46:51,239 --> 00:46:54,400 Speaker 1: line up with Bion. So the Duke exhorts Simon to 836 00:46:54,480 --> 00:46:56,120 Speaker 1: leave the house. He's like, come with us, you know, 837 00:46:56,160 --> 00:46:58,280 Speaker 1: we we will get you out of this, and Simon 838 00:46:58,320 --> 00:47:00,160 Speaker 1: doesn't want to go, so he just punches him out, 839 00:47:00,239 --> 00:47:03,000 Speaker 1: just knocks him out. They repeatedly do this to Simon. 840 00:47:03,040 --> 00:47:04,880 Speaker 1: By the way, by the end of this movie, he 841 00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:08,080 Speaker 1: will have had major head trauma. Yeah, you know, I 842 00:47:08,120 --> 00:47:10,040 Speaker 1: have to admit, I mean, I know that you're not 843 00:47:10,040 --> 00:47:12,560 Speaker 1: supposed to punch people in the face and try and 844 00:47:12,640 --> 00:47:14,120 Speaker 1: knock them out. You're not supposed to hit people over 845 00:47:14,160 --> 00:47:16,319 Speaker 1: the head with with bottles and so forth, which these 846 00:47:16,320 --> 00:47:19,040 Speaker 1: things happen in films all the time. But a few 847 00:47:19,040 --> 00:47:22,719 Speaker 1: weeks ago I I sustained a very mild concussion and 848 00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:26,040 Speaker 1: it was not fun. And ever since I've been maybe 849 00:47:26,080 --> 00:47:29,280 Speaker 1: a little like heightened sensitivity to these moments in films. 850 00:47:29,320 --> 00:47:30,960 Speaker 1: So like something like this happens and I'm like, oh, 851 00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:33,239 Speaker 1: that's a concussion for sure, And then I'm like, oh, 852 00:47:33,320 --> 00:47:36,040 Speaker 1: he just had a concussion earlier in the picture. This 853 00:47:36,120 --> 00:47:39,840 Speaker 1: is so dangerous. Stop punching, Simon. Yeah, I love it. 854 00:47:39,880 --> 00:47:42,200 Speaker 1: In movies they just treat hitting people on the head 855 00:47:42,239 --> 00:47:45,960 Speaker 1: as like general anesthesia. Well, it just renders the harmlessly, 856 00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:49,040 Speaker 1: renders them unconscious for some short period of time. How 857 00:47:49,120 --> 00:47:51,480 Speaker 1: are you supposed to end a scene and have somebody 858 00:47:51,840 --> 00:47:53,719 Speaker 1: you need to get them to another location and have 859 00:47:53,840 --> 00:47:56,600 Speaker 1: them wake up and observe things, so you need you 860 00:47:56,640 --> 00:48:00,279 Speaker 1: need some head trauma in between. So anyway, they go 861 00:48:00,320 --> 00:48:02,120 Speaker 1: back to the Duke's house and there is a great 862 00:48:02,200 --> 00:48:05,880 Speaker 1: hypnotism scene. This is one of the first scenes indicating 863 00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:10,880 Speaker 1: that Christopher Lee's character not only knows what the the 864 00:48:12,400 --> 00:48:16,239 Speaker 1: rituals of darkness are, but he can practice them himself. Apparently. 865 00:48:17,080 --> 00:48:20,320 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, this, this of course ties in so perfectly 866 00:48:20,360 --> 00:48:22,680 Speaker 1: with a lot of the satanic panic energies that the 867 00:48:22,719 --> 00:48:25,359 Speaker 1: decades to come, and even some of the you know, 868 00:48:25,400 --> 00:48:28,080 Speaker 1: the scare tactics you see in other social panics, and 869 00:48:28,480 --> 00:48:33,960 Speaker 1: you know, fundamentalist and conservative mindsets where the individual's warning 870 00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:36,840 Speaker 1: you about the evil. Whatever the evil happens to be, 871 00:48:37,160 --> 00:48:40,200 Speaker 1: they know all about it. They've got all the grizzly details, 872 00:48:40,200 --> 00:48:41,880 Speaker 1: and they will list it for you. They know all 873 00:48:41,880 --> 00:48:46,440 Speaker 1: the terminology, they have seen the stuff. Um. But but 874 00:48:46,520 --> 00:48:49,879 Speaker 1: they're safe. They're concerned about your safety. And so, like 875 00:48:49,920 --> 00:48:53,640 Speaker 1: the Duke is already coming off. It's such a hypocrite here. Yeah, 876 00:48:54,040 --> 00:48:56,759 Speaker 1: so he there's this hypnotism scene where he like puts 877 00:48:56,760 --> 00:48:59,440 Speaker 1: a mirror in front of Simon and he's he's like 878 00:48:59,560 --> 00:49:03,040 Speaker 1: looking to the mirror Simon and he brainwashed it, like 879 00:49:03,080 --> 00:49:05,759 Speaker 1: he sees is his mind somehow, and he's like, you 880 00:49:05,840 --> 00:49:09,560 Speaker 1: must go to bed now. Is one of the many 881 00:49:09,600 --> 00:49:11,920 Speaker 1: greats sending people to bed scenes. He sends him up 882 00:49:11,920 --> 00:49:14,600 Speaker 1: to his bedroom, he puts a crucifix necklace on him. 883 00:49:14,640 --> 00:49:17,319 Speaker 1: He says it's a symbol of protection. And then they 884 00:49:17,360 --> 00:49:19,520 Speaker 1: break out the sniff rs of brown liquor. I love 885 00:49:19,600 --> 00:49:23,720 Speaker 1: that they're just like numerous unlabeled jars of brown liquor 886 00:49:23,800 --> 00:49:26,920 Speaker 1: for them to drink from. And Christopher Lee and Rex 887 00:49:26,960 --> 00:49:29,920 Speaker 1: they sit down and to have the talk about devil worship, 888 00:49:30,600 --> 00:49:34,479 Speaker 1: and he asks Rex, do you believe in evil? And 889 00:49:34,560 --> 00:49:36,960 Speaker 1: you know, Rex is like magic and all that. I 890 00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:39,759 Speaker 1: think it's hocus pocus. But then the Duke gives a 891 00:49:39,840 --> 00:49:42,399 Speaker 1: speech about how the power of darkness is not just 892 00:49:42,480 --> 00:49:46,880 Speaker 1: an idea but a living, breathing thing. And it's clear 893 00:49:46,960 --> 00:49:49,440 Speaker 1: now that they're up against something big and they may 894 00:49:49,480 --> 00:49:51,560 Speaker 1: have to do battle with it throughout the rest of 895 00:49:51,600 --> 00:49:55,040 Speaker 1: the film. Meanwhile, Simon upstairs in the Duke's bed, his 896 00:49:55,120 --> 00:49:58,319 Speaker 1: eyes snap open. Uh. He seems to be under the 897 00:49:58,400 --> 00:50:02,240 Speaker 1: influence of something, and he starts gathering up the chain 898 00:50:02,640 --> 00:50:06,680 Speaker 1: of his crucifix necklace and starts garrotting himself with it, 899 00:50:07,120 --> 00:50:08,680 Speaker 1: and it seemed for a minute like he was going 900 00:50:08,760 --> 00:50:11,399 Speaker 1: to die. I assume this character he's goner. But then 901 00:50:11,440 --> 00:50:14,640 Speaker 1: the butler comes in and helpfully removes the crucifix from 902 00:50:14,680 --> 00:50:16,960 Speaker 1: his neck and then Simon just bolts out the window. 903 00:50:17,600 --> 00:50:19,560 Speaker 1: So at this point the caper is on. For the 904 00:50:19,560 --> 00:50:21,920 Speaker 1: rest of the movie, the Duke and Rex will be 905 00:50:22,000 --> 00:50:25,440 Speaker 1: in pursuit of their friends Simon and eventually also of 906 00:50:25,640 --> 00:50:28,680 Speaker 1: Tannith to free them from the cult and from the 907 00:50:28,760 --> 00:50:32,479 Speaker 1: jaws of Satan himself. And so maybe at this point 908 00:50:32,520 --> 00:50:35,080 Speaker 1: we can just sort of zero in on several scenes 909 00:50:35,080 --> 00:50:37,800 Speaker 1: and sequences throughout the rest of the movie that that 910 00:50:37,960 --> 00:50:39,719 Speaker 1: struck us. One of which I think we've got to 911 00:50:39,760 --> 00:50:42,680 Speaker 1: talk about is the return to the house, because the 912 00:50:42,719 --> 00:50:45,520 Speaker 1: first thing the Duke and Rex do when Simon gets 913 00:50:45,520 --> 00:50:47,880 Speaker 1: out of the Duke's place is like, well, maybe he 914 00:50:47,920 --> 00:50:49,600 Speaker 1: went back home. So they go break in through a 915 00:50:49,600 --> 00:50:52,439 Speaker 1: window and uh, and look around to see if he's 916 00:50:52,520 --> 00:50:55,680 Speaker 1: there or if Mocatta's coven is still there. That's right. 917 00:50:55,680 --> 00:50:59,840 Speaker 1: They go up to the observatory and then what starts 918 00:51:00,000 --> 00:51:02,839 Speaker 1: happening to the floor, Well, out of that goat head 919 00:51:02,880 --> 00:51:06,280 Speaker 1: on the floor, Um, you have this sinister smoke begins 920 00:51:06,280 --> 00:51:10,680 Speaker 1: to rise, and we essentially have our first proper summoning 921 00:51:10,920 --> 00:51:13,480 Speaker 1: of the film. They're like, I think three different summonings 922 00:51:13,480 --> 00:51:16,200 Speaker 1: of note, and uh, it seems to summon you know, 923 00:51:16,239 --> 00:51:18,439 Speaker 1: it's like smokes bringing in some sort of form. What's 924 00:51:18,440 --> 00:51:21,440 Speaker 1: it gonna be. It's gonna be a monster, a monster, 925 00:51:22,040 --> 00:51:23,960 Speaker 1: you know, the demon. Maybe it'll be the goat guy 926 00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:26,480 Speaker 1: from the poster, but no, it's just a dude that 927 00:51:26,520 --> 00:51:29,640 Speaker 1: looks slightly stoned. Yeah, when we first saw him. So 928 00:51:29,719 --> 00:51:31,759 Speaker 1: there are some good monsters later on, but I was 929 00:51:31,800 --> 00:51:33,839 Speaker 1: just like, this is just a guy. But he's got 930 00:51:33,840 --> 00:51:38,680 Speaker 1: bloodshot eyes. But it's just a dude. I've seen that this, 931 00:51:38,680 --> 00:51:42,239 Speaker 1: this uh, this summoned being described as a gin or 932 00:51:42,280 --> 00:51:46,440 Speaker 1: a demon, but it's just Nigerian born actor Willie Payne 933 00:51:46,520 --> 00:51:49,480 Speaker 1: in red pants with a with a legitimately kind of 934 00:51:49,480 --> 00:51:54,040 Speaker 1: creepy smile and very stoned looking eyes. Um, they're able 935 00:51:54,080 --> 00:51:55,359 Speaker 1: to play it up a bit. So it's not like 936 00:51:55,400 --> 00:51:59,560 Speaker 1: it doesn't work. But it also seems to lean really 937 00:51:59,600 --> 00:52:05,040 Speaker 1: hard that this idea of non white equals possibly satanic thing. Yeah, 938 00:52:05,400 --> 00:52:08,160 Speaker 1: because this scene didn't feel great it was. It seems 939 00:52:08,200 --> 00:52:11,080 Speaker 1: to lean more on those kind of xenophobic assumptions that 940 00:52:11,120 --> 00:52:13,919 Speaker 1: the movie has. Yeah, because the only other non white 941 00:52:13,920 --> 00:52:17,800 Speaker 1: act characters in the film, including Nigerian born actor playwright 942 00:52:17,920 --> 00:52:22,360 Speaker 1: Jimmy Goodman, um A Jibati are all seen as members 943 00:52:22,360 --> 00:52:26,040 Speaker 1: of the cult. None of our cult. The cult is international. 944 00:52:26,160 --> 00:52:29,759 Speaker 1: It's got rubbers from all over, right, So yeah, this 945 00:52:29,760 --> 00:52:31,880 Speaker 1: this feels a little it's a little weird to watch this, 946 00:52:31,960 --> 00:52:34,040 Speaker 1: and it's also a little weird that Hammer picked this 947 00:52:34,120 --> 00:52:36,920 Speaker 1: scene out put it on their YouTube like it is. 948 00:52:38,000 --> 00:52:40,040 Speaker 1: But if you lean into the sort of like here's 949 00:52:40,040 --> 00:52:44,680 Speaker 1: a really stone dude um summoned to combat your heroes, 950 00:52:44,719 --> 00:52:46,120 Speaker 1: and I kind of like that, it's kind of like, 951 00:52:46,160 --> 00:52:49,160 Speaker 1: don't look at his eyes. He's really stoned. Yeah, yeah, 952 00:52:49,440 --> 00:52:52,000 Speaker 1: and and he's like hypnotizing them, I guess with his 953 00:52:52,080 --> 00:52:54,600 Speaker 1: eyes to like get them to come into the circle 954 00:52:55,080 --> 00:52:57,040 Speaker 1: of beff Matt. But I think they defeat him by 955 00:52:57,040 --> 00:53:00,759 Speaker 1: throwing a crucifix. Yeah, the first of severn All crucifix 956 00:53:00,840 --> 00:53:03,799 Speaker 1: lobbings in the film. Yeah. The goosefix are like the 957 00:53:03,800 --> 00:53:07,719 Speaker 1: Holy hand grenade. They make demons just explode ye one 958 00:53:07,800 --> 00:53:10,359 Speaker 1: to five and then they blow him up and then 959 00:53:10,360 --> 00:53:12,600 Speaker 1: they run out of the house. Now, I think the 960 00:53:12,640 --> 00:53:15,920 Speaker 1: next big thing is that the Duke is like, you 961 00:53:16,040 --> 00:53:19,360 Speaker 1: must you must find Tannith because I must go to 962 00:53:19,400 --> 00:53:22,360 Speaker 1: the British Library. And what's he gonna He's like gonna 963 00:53:23,080 --> 00:53:26,439 Speaker 1: look into several occult tomes that are kept under lock 964 00:53:26,520 --> 00:53:29,720 Speaker 1: and key. Fortunately, the person who runs the Occult Tomes 965 00:53:29,760 --> 00:53:34,200 Speaker 1: section is a friend of his. Yes, again, it's safe 966 00:53:34,280 --> 00:53:36,600 Speaker 1: for the Duke to be interested in these things and 967 00:53:36,640 --> 00:53:39,880 Speaker 1: be knowledgeable these things. But but not not you, Simon. Simon. 968 00:53:39,880 --> 00:53:41,960 Speaker 1: I'd rather you be dead than read some of the 969 00:53:42,000 --> 00:53:47,840 Speaker 1: books that I've read. So Rex. Uh. The next thing 970 00:53:47,960 --> 00:53:50,279 Speaker 1: we see with Rex, he's just got Tannith in the 971 00:53:50,320 --> 00:53:53,720 Speaker 1: car and they're out driving in the country somewhere, and 972 00:53:54,560 --> 00:53:57,000 Speaker 1: it's one of those weird scenes where somebody's already in 973 00:53:57,040 --> 00:53:59,960 Speaker 1: the car with somebody and then she's like, so why 974 00:54:00,040 --> 00:54:02,640 Speaker 1: am I here? Where are we going? And then I'm like, well, 975 00:54:02,640 --> 00:54:04,200 Speaker 1: why did she get in the car? What did they 976 00:54:04,239 --> 00:54:06,680 Speaker 1: say before she got in the car? I don't know. 977 00:54:07,280 --> 00:54:09,000 Speaker 1: But then it becomes clear. He's like, I'm here to 978 00:54:09,080 --> 00:54:12,359 Speaker 1: rescue you from Satanism, and she's like, I don't want 979 00:54:12,360 --> 00:54:15,880 Speaker 1: to be rescued, and uh, and then yeah, it ultimately 980 00:54:16,000 --> 00:54:18,480 Speaker 1: ends up being a whole chase sequence. Yes. Well, but 981 00:54:18,600 --> 00:54:20,640 Speaker 1: also before that, he's like, I'm here to rescue you 982 00:54:20,680 --> 00:54:22,840 Speaker 1: from satan and take you out to lunch. Do you 983 00:54:22,840 --> 00:54:26,160 Speaker 1: want to go on a date? Yeah? And Uh, so 984 00:54:26,239 --> 00:54:29,480 Speaker 1: they're they're planning on going to lunch at a friend's house. 985 00:54:29,520 --> 00:54:31,520 Speaker 1: This is the house of Richard and Marie and their 986 00:54:31,600 --> 00:54:34,799 Speaker 1: daughter Peggy, who will become bigger characters in the third act. 987 00:54:34,960 --> 00:54:36,520 Speaker 1: A lot of the second half of the movie takes 988 00:54:36,520 --> 00:54:40,520 Speaker 1: place at their house. But I was also wondering about 989 00:54:40,800 --> 00:54:43,520 Speaker 1: they're not sure who he's bringing. So it's like, hello, 990 00:54:43,560 --> 00:54:45,640 Speaker 1: old friend, I brought a bride of Satan to your 991 00:54:45,640 --> 00:54:49,359 Speaker 1: house for lunch. I've kidnapped somebody. This is the other thing. 992 00:54:49,400 --> 00:54:51,680 Speaker 1: This film has a lot of kidnappings, and Simon has 993 00:54:51,719 --> 00:54:55,880 Speaker 1: already been kidnapped, and now Tanneth has been kidnapped, and 994 00:54:55,920 --> 00:54:58,520 Speaker 1: there'll be more kidnappings to come. Yeah, she lured away 995 00:54:58,520 --> 00:55:00,919 Speaker 1: on false pretenses, all right, And we don't know what 996 00:55:01,000 --> 00:55:03,239 Speaker 1: they said before she got in the car, but at 997 00:55:03,280 --> 00:55:05,920 Speaker 1: least continuing along the journey after she has said no, 998 00:55:05,960 --> 00:55:08,240 Speaker 1: I would rather go back to my Sitan worship please, 999 00:55:08,960 --> 00:55:11,520 Speaker 1: and uh. Then this leads to a complex series of 1000 00:55:11,600 --> 00:55:15,240 Speaker 1: chases where she steals a car from somewhere and drives 1001 00:55:15,280 --> 00:55:18,000 Speaker 1: away and then Rex has to chase after her, and 1002 00:55:18,040 --> 00:55:20,600 Speaker 1: there's you didn't expect a car chase in this movie, 1003 00:55:20,600 --> 00:55:23,400 Speaker 1: did you? But the car chase does involve Rex punching 1004 00:55:23,440 --> 00:55:28,560 Speaker 1: through his own windshield and uh they eventually, oh, they 1005 00:55:28,640 --> 00:55:31,759 Speaker 1: use magic to make him wreck his car, but he 1006 00:55:31,840 --> 00:55:35,879 Speaker 1: stuck unconscious. Another another concussion and right, yes, and then 1007 00:55:35,960 --> 00:55:39,320 Speaker 1: she so she eventually makes her way back to Moccata 1008 00:55:39,440 --> 00:55:43,600 Speaker 1: because Macada was like hypnotizing her through the rear view 1009 00:55:43,600 --> 00:55:46,680 Speaker 1: mirror in the car. Well. Mirrors are magic, we know that. Oh, 1010 00:55:46,719 --> 00:55:50,720 Speaker 1: that's right. So eventually Rex stumbles upon a satanic mass 1011 00:55:50,760 --> 00:55:54,560 Speaker 1: that Macada is conducting in the woods. Actually it looks 1012 00:55:54,560 --> 00:55:56,799 Speaker 1: pretty tame. It's just a lot of people in like 1013 00:55:56,840 --> 00:56:01,240 Speaker 1: white robes, the bosses like Macada. He's wearing a purple robe, 1014 00:56:01,760 --> 00:56:03,960 Speaker 1: but a lot of people in white robes just drinking 1015 00:56:03,960 --> 00:56:07,000 Speaker 1: wine and dancing like it is not as debauched as 1016 00:56:07,040 --> 00:56:10,080 Speaker 1: some of the the devil worship scenes in later movies 1017 00:56:10,120 --> 00:56:12,880 Speaker 1: would be, right, but it does have the ultimate. They 1018 00:56:12,880 --> 00:56:17,640 Speaker 1: sacrifice a goat and then uh, here comes the goat himself. 1019 00:56:18,280 --> 00:56:21,360 Speaker 1: Um uh, we we have this, this wonderful appearance by 1020 00:56:21,400 --> 00:56:25,200 Speaker 1: the goat of of of Mendes. Uh it's the goat 1021 00:56:25,239 --> 00:56:28,439 Speaker 1: headed humanoid form and it looks very good. Uh, it's 1022 00:56:28,520 --> 00:56:30,880 Speaker 1: legitimately creepy. I think this was a scene that they 1023 00:56:30,920 --> 00:56:33,720 Speaker 1: pulled off rather well because he just kind of appears, 1024 00:56:34,200 --> 00:56:36,200 Speaker 1: uh you know, it's like he's come out of the woods. 1025 00:56:36,280 --> 00:56:40,120 Speaker 1: You've thrown a Satanic party that is fun enough that 1026 00:56:40,160 --> 00:56:43,320 Speaker 1: he is making an appearance, and everyone gets very excited. Yeah, 1027 00:56:43,360 --> 00:56:46,520 Speaker 1: and one thing I noted was like when they when 1028 00:56:46,560 --> 00:56:50,160 Speaker 1: they cut the goat's throat in the sacrifice, it's like 1029 00:56:50,239 --> 00:56:54,319 Speaker 1: dropping the beat in the club. I think everybody goes wild. Yeah, 1030 00:56:54,360 --> 00:56:56,640 Speaker 1: we have. They get very excited about it, and yeah, 1031 00:56:56,680 --> 00:56:59,520 Speaker 1: this the goat looks great. It's not I should stress 1032 00:56:59,560 --> 00:57:01,160 Speaker 1: it's not the ago you see on the poster. They 1033 00:57:01,160 --> 00:57:03,799 Speaker 1: took the head of the goat creature here and they 1034 00:57:03,840 --> 00:57:06,080 Speaker 1: put it on one of the like probably the Charles 1035 00:57:06,080 --> 00:57:10,200 Speaker 1: Gray character Mocata's robed body, and sort of built themselves 1036 00:57:10,200 --> 00:57:14,080 Speaker 1: a poster out of an images from the film. Well, anyway, 1037 00:57:14,360 --> 00:57:17,720 Speaker 1: this mass it's worse. Simon and Tanneth are going to 1038 00:57:17,720 --> 00:57:20,600 Speaker 1: be baptized in the name of Satan. So Rex goes 1039 00:57:20,640 --> 00:57:24,320 Speaker 1: to a nearby pay phone and summons the Duke, and 1040 00:57:24,360 --> 00:57:27,520 Speaker 1: so the Duke comes and joins him, and then they're like, oh, 1041 00:57:27,560 --> 00:57:29,280 Speaker 1: we've got to stop this. We've got to stop this 1042 00:57:29,320 --> 00:57:32,120 Speaker 1: before they are baptized to the evil One. So they 1043 00:57:32,160 --> 00:57:36,120 Speaker 1: decide they're going to how do they The duke is like, 1044 00:57:36,400 --> 00:57:38,600 Speaker 1: I wish there were some light, and then he's like, 1045 00:57:38,680 --> 00:57:41,640 Speaker 1: what has light? The headlights of a car. So they're like, 1046 00:57:41,680 --> 00:57:44,840 Speaker 1: we can defeat them with car. So they get into 1047 00:57:44,840 --> 00:57:47,760 Speaker 1: a car and then they drive up on the on 1048 00:57:47,840 --> 00:57:50,720 Speaker 1: the ceremony, blasting the headlights. I guess they turned the 1049 00:57:50,720 --> 00:57:54,120 Speaker 1: brights on, and that seems to I don't know, it 1050 00:57:54,160 --> 00:57:56,720 Speaker 1: does something. Everybody's like, oh. And then they lob a 1051 00:57:56,760 --> 00:57:59,240 Speaker 1: second holy hand grenade. They throw a crucifix at the 1052 00:57:59,280 --> 00:58:02,680 Speaker 1: goat and the explodes. Yeah. Yeah, And then Rex is 1053 00:58:02,720 --> 00:58:06,080 Speaker 1: in there punch and Satanists grabbing Tanneth, carrying her off, 1054 00:58:06,080 --> 00:58:08,520 Speaker 1: And I was struck by the It's kind of ironic 1055 00:58:08,640 --> 00:58:11,439 Speaker 1: that we don't see the goat creature. We don't see 1056 00:58:11,480 --> 00:58:15,800 Speaker 1: the Great Goat, the Devil himself carrying an unconscious woman, 1057 00:58:15,920 --> 00:58:19,000 Speaker 1: but we do see Rex grabbing our female character and 1058 00:58:19,080 --> 00:58:21,800 Speaker 1: running off into the night with her. Yes, And they 1059 00:58:21,840 --> 00:58:24,840 Speaker 1: also they rescue Tanneth and Simon and they take them 1060 00:58:24,880 --> 00:58:28,160 Speaker 1: back to Richard and Marie's house, where where Christopher Lee 1061 00:58:28,160 --> 00:58:31,960 Speaker 1: promptly starts managing everybody's sleeping arrangements. He's like, you will 1062 00:58:32,000 --> 00:58:34,760 Speaker 1: go to bed, and you will sit beside the person 1063 00:58:34,800 --> 00:58:38,600 Speaker 1: who goes to bed, and commanding, So commanding people what 1064 00:58:38,680 --> 00:58:41,600 Speaker 1: to do, I think. So he gives them all these 1065 00:58:41,640 --> 00:58:44,680 Speaker 1: instructions while he goes out to fetch some magical implements. 1066 00:58:46,040 --> 00:58:48,440 Speaker 1: And then there's another big set piece, which is and 1067 00:58:48,640 --> 00:58:52,400 Speaker 1: this scene I actually thought was pretty effective in the 1068 00:58:52,440 --> 00:58:55,720 Speaker 1: way it was meant to be, uh, the visit by Mocada. 1069 00:58:56,160 --> 00:58:58,440 Speaker 1: So like Charles Gray just shows up at the door. 1070 00:58:58,520 --> 00:59:01,760 Speaker 1: Mocada arrives at the house and he, I guess it's 1071 00:59:01,920 --> 00:59:04,440 Speaker 1: proper courtesy to invite someone in, even if they are 1072 00:59:04,600 --> 00:59:07,720 Speaker 1: the priest of the High Priest of Satan. So you 1073 00:59:07,720 --> 00:59:10,640 Speaker 1: know he's invited him by by Marie. And then Mokatta 1074 00:59:10,680 --> 00:59:12,920 Speaker 1: and Marie sit down in the study to have a 1075 00:59:12,960 --> 00:59:16,200 Speaker 1: conversation where he will ask her to hand Simon and 1076 00:59:16,240 --> 00:59:18,640 Speaker 1: Tanneth over to him. He says, I'm not actually evil 1077 00:59:18,800 --> 00:59:21,320 Speaker 1: in magic, there is no good or evil, and then 1078 00:59:21,360 --> 00:59:23,960 Speaker 1: he tries to hypnotize her and bind her will to 1079 00:59:24,080 --> 00:59:27,360 Speaker 1: his by the power of darkness. And I gotta say 1080 00:59:27,440 --> 00:59:30,360 Speaker 1: props to Charles Gray in this scene, while he is 1081 00:59:30,400 --> 00:59:33,760 Speaker 1: often funny in this movie. In this scene, he is 1082 00:59:33,920 --> 00:59:38,360 Speaker 1: extremely good, I think, actually rather scary. Yeah, yeah, he's 1083 00:59:38,400 --> 00:59:41,320 Speaker 1: great in this scene. There's also another sequence where it's 1084 00:59:41,400 --> 00:59:44,760 Speaker 1: just the cult is marching out of the observatory house 1085 00:59:45,160 --> 00:59:47,479 Speaker 1: with some kind of thunderous music and he's up front 1086 00:59:47,520 --> 00:59:49,240 Speaker 1: with a very stern look on his face, where he 1087 00:59:49,280 --> 00:59:53,480 Speaker 1: also feels very powerful and a little bit scary. Yeah, 1088 00:59:53,560 --> 00:59:57,720 Speaker 1: and he so he's hypnotized Marie and he's like, where 1089 00:59:57,760 --> 01:00:00,680 Speaker 1: is Simon and she says upstairs, which I mean he 1090 01:00:00,720 --> 01:00:04,200 Speaker 1: probably could have guessed that. But anyway, so he's trying to, 1091 01:00:04,240 --> 01:00:06,080 Speaker 1: I guess, get get them out of the house. But 1092 01:00:06,240 --> 01:00:10,200 Speaker 1: then he fails because the kid living in the house, Peggy, 1093 01:00:10,240 --> 01:00:12,320 Speaker 1: she runs in asking for a snack or something or 1094 01:00:12,400 --> 01:00:15,040 Speaker 1: she's like, where's my ball? And then Maria is snapped 1095 01:00:15,040 --> 01:00:19,000 Speaker 1: out of her trance and asks Macada to leave. And 1096 01:00:19,520 --> 01:00:22,000 Speaker 1: I thought that was funny, especially because Rachel was like, 1097 01:00:22,360 --> 01:00:24,880 Speaker 1: it's the kid that's going to defeat the devil. Oh yeah, 1098 01:00:24,880 --> 01:00:26,640 Speaker 1: it's also kind of it reminded me, of course, of 1099 01:00:26,640 --> 01:00:29,560 Speaker 1: Indiana Jones, like next time, Dr Jones, It'll take more 1100 01:00:29,560 --> 01:00:32,600 Speaker 1: than children to save you. Oh yeah, yeah. But so 1101 01:00:32,760 --> 01:00:35,040 Speaker 1: Makata has asked to leave. He does, but then there's 1102 01:00:35,080 --> 01:00:37,320 Speaker 1: a great line he says, I will not be back, 1103 01:00:37,600 --> 01:00:41,680 Speaker 1: but something will. Oh and that's that's something. Should we 1104 01:00:41,960 --> 01:00:43,800 Speaker 1: talk about that something? Well? Yeah, I mean, I guess 1105 01:00:43,840 --> 01:00:46,000 Speaker 1: this leads into the main thing that's left in the movie, 1106 01:00:46,040 --> 01:00:49,040 Speaker 1: which is the siege of the magic Circle. So the 1107 01:00:49,120 --> 01:00:52,360 Speaker 1: Duke returns with his magical implements and he draws a 1108 01:00:52,440 --> 01:00:55,800 Speaker 1: protective circle on the floor of the library in the house. Uh, 1109 01:00:55,840 --> 01:00:58,840 Speaker 1: It's got symbols all around it, and inside the circle, 1110 01:00:59,720 --> 01:01:02,880 Speaker 1: the Uke, Simon, Marie, and Richard have to wait out 1111 01:01:02,920 --> 01:01:06,440 Speaker 1: the night while being besieged by the forces of evil 1112 01:01:06,560 --> 01:01:10,160 Speaker 1: that are sent by Mocada and I think conjured through 1113 01:01:10,280 --> 01:01:12,800 Speaker 1: the medium of Tanneth. This got kind of complicated, but 1114 01:01:12,800 --> 01:01:17,280 Speaker 1: I think the idea is that Mokata somehow uses Tanneth 1115 01:01:17,440 --> 01:01:21,760 Speaker 1: to like make himself more powerful. He like manifests power 1116 01:01:21,880 --> 01:01:25,280 Speaker 1: through her, and for that reason, Tanneth is like, I 1117 01:01:25,320 --> 01:01:28,200 Speaker 1: can't be in the house. So meanwhile, while they're in 1118 01:01:28,280 --> 01:01:31,480 Speaker 1: the library, Rex and Tanneth run off to a barn somewhere. 1119 01:01:32,440 --> 01:01:34,560 Speaker 1: I don't know exactly how all that works, but that's 1120 01:01:34,560 --> 01:01:37,200 Speaker 1: where they go. Uh. And the other thing. I was wondering, 1121 01:01:37,240 --> 01:01:39,440 Speaker 1: why don't Peggy and the butler have to be inside 1122 01:01:39,480 --> 01:01:41,480 Speaker 1: the magic circle. The other four people in the house 1123 01:01:41,480 --> 01:01:43,720 Speaker 1: are in the circle. Peggy and Butler just up in 1124 01:01:43,720 --> 01:01:46,280 Speaker 1: a room somewhere. Yeah, I would. I mean, I wouldn't 1125 01:01:46,280 --> 01:01:49,160 Speaker 1: want my child to see the forces of darkness that 1126 01:01:49,200 --> 01:01:52,040 Speaker 1: have been marshal against me. But if they're going to 1127 01:01:52,120 --> 01:01:53,760 Speaker 1: be in the house with the forces of darkness, I 1128 01:01:53,760 --> 01:01:55,920 Speaker 1: think I would rather than be like in the circle. 1129 01:01:56,240 --> 01:01:59,160 Speaker 1: I guess today, if this were to happen, I could 1130 01:01:59,200 --> 01:02:02,000 Speaker 1: give my son an iPad and he would be fine. 1131 01:02:02,040 --> 01:02:04,400 Speaker 1: He just watched Pokemon, and you could have the forces 1132 01:02:04,440 --> 01:02:06,880 Speaker 1: of darkness doing their thing outside the circle and he 1133 01:02:06,880 --> 01:02:08,800 Speaker 1: wouldn't even look up. But how are you going to 1134 01:02:08,920 --> 01:02:12,120 Speaker 1: keep a kid this age distracted during the thirties, I 1135 01:02:12,200 --> 01:02:14,000 Speaker 1: don't know. Well anyway, So we get the siege here 1136 01:02:14,080 --> 01:02:16,200 Speaker 1: and Rob, do you want to describe the attacks that 1137 01:02:16,280 --> 01:02:18,400 Speaker 1: befalled them while they're they're waiting out the night in 1138 01:02:18,440 --> 01:02:21,680 Speaker 1: the circle? Alright? So? Uh yeah? So the first attack 1139 01:02:21,880 --> 01:02:25,400 Speaker 1: was stone dude, second attack was the great he Goat, 1140 01:02:25,840 --> 01:02:29,040 Speaker 1: third attack here, third summoning is going to be none 1141 01:02:29,040 --> 01:02:31,280 Speaker 1: other than the Angel of Death and It is pretty 1142 01:02:31,280 --> 01:02:34,000 Speaker 1: alarming when this one summoned, because suddenly the door opens, 1143 01:02:34,360 --> 01:02:39,000 Speaker 1: white light spilling out, and a perhaps semi transparent it 1144 01:02:39,040 --> 01:02:43,200 Speaker 1: is hard to hard to see. Winged horse rides in, 1145 01:02:43,840 --> 01:02:46,600 Speaker 1: and the rider on the horses this individual and armor. 1146 01:02:46,680 --> 01:02:49,520 Speaker 1: You can't see his face. But then eventually he rides 1147 01:02:49,600 --> 01:02:52,680 Speaker 1: up close enough and we get this close up like 1148 01:02:52,760 --> 01:02:56,080 Speaker 1: blue flames behind his head. The mask opens and it's 1149 01:02:56,120 --> 01:02:58,760 Speaker 1: a skull. Yeah, the Angel of Death is here to 1150 01:02:58,840 --> 01:03:02,040 Speaker 1: claim a human soul. Robert. One thing. I agree with 1151 01:03:02,080 --> 01:03:03,919 Speaker 1: everything you said, but I think we're out of order 1152 01:03:03,960 --> 01:03:08,560 Speaker 1: here because I think the spider attacks before the angels death. Okay, well, okay, 1153 01:03:08,560 --> 01:03:11,800 Speaker 1: in that case, we get a lackluster giant spider attack, right, 1154 01:03:11,840 --> 01:03:15,240 Speaker 1: So that comes tricks them with all these illusions like 1155 01:03:15,280 --> 01:03:19,560 Speaker 1: the the the devil keeps simulating people they know, asking 1156 01:03:19,600 --> 01:03:21,440 Speaker 1: for help or trying to get them to step outside 1157 01:03:21,440 --> 01:03:24,480 Speaker 1: the circle. That pretends to be Peggy being attacked by 1158 01:03:24,480 --> 01:03:26,760 Speaker 1: the spider, but it's not really her. And of course 1159 01:03:26,800 --> 01:03:31,320 Speaker 1: the Duke is like, control yourself, man, stand there and 1160 01:03:31,480 --> 01:03:33,520 Speaker 1: uh yeah, and then but then we get the Angel 1161 01:03:33,560 --> 01:03:35,600 Speaker 1: of Death. I have to say the spider again. The 1162 01:03:35,640 --> 01:03:38,000 Speaker 1: spider does not look very good. No, it's just a 1163 01:03:38,080 --> 01:03:43,440 Speaker 1: tarantulo with force, perspective and stuff. But then, so how 1164 01:03:43,480 --> 01:03:46,520 Speaker 1: do they defeat the Angel of Death? Christopher Lee has 1165 01:03:46,560 --> 01:03:49,040 Speaker 1: introduced this idea earlier that the only thing he can 1166 01:03:49,080 --> 01:03:52,720 Speaker 1: do to to fight back against these forces is to 1167 01:03:52,920 --> 01:03:56,160 Speaker 1: say this spell the most dangerous magic spell in the world, 1168 01:03:56,200 --> 01:03:58,640 Speaker 1: and he's like, I I dare not say it unless 1169 01:03:58,640 --> 01:04:01,400 Speaker 1: our very souls are at pair role because it could 1170 01:04:01,520 --> 01:04:05,640 Speaker 1: destroy the entire universe. But I did memorize it just 1171 01:04:05,720 --> 01:04:08,439 Speaker 1: in case. Yeah, but he does say it. He says 1172 01:04:08,440 --> 01:04:10,880 Speaker 1: it at the Angel of Death and that that banishes it. 1173 01:04:11,560 --> 01:04:14,080 Speaker 1: But at the end of the night, so they've made 1174 01:04:14,080 --> 01:04:16,400 Speaker 1: it through, but things look bad because Rex comes back 1175 01:04:16,440 --> 01:04:19,000 Speaker 1: and he's holding the body of Tanneth. Tanneth has died 1176 01:04:19,080 --> 01:04:23,120 Speaker 1: and also Peggy has disappeared, so so they're in dire 1177 01:04:23,200 --> 01:04:26,320 Speaker 1: straits now. But where have they gone? Well, the Duke 1178 01:04:26,440 --> 01:04:29,560 Speaker 1: has to figure this out by conjuring the ghost of 1179 01:04:29,680 --> 01:04:34,040 Speaker 1: Tanneth in the body of Marie and then again commanding 1180 01:04:34,040 --> 01:04:36,560 Speaker 1: and yelling at her, saying tell me where have they gone? 1181 01:04:36,600 --> 01:04:40,040 Speaker 1: I command you? But this leads to a final confrontation 1182 01:04:40,080 --> 01:04:42,720 Speaker 1: at the Mansion Moccada, where he has an on site 1183 01:04:42,760 --> 01:04:45,320 Speaker 1: temple for human sacrifice. I think he's going to sacrifice 1184 01:04:45,360 --> 01:04:48,520 Speaker 1: Peggy for some reason. What was it? He says, it's 1185 01:04:48,520 --> 01:04:51,160 Speaker 1: the transference of souls. I think it's like, if he 1186 01:04:51,720 --> 01:04:55,120 Speaker 1: sacrifices Peggy, then Tanneth will be brought back to him. 1187 01:04:55,160 --> 01:04:59,480 Speaker 1: Maybe Yeah. And they need Tanneth for satanic reasons for 1188 01:04:59,600 --> 01:05:02,880 Speaker 1: something yeah. And then in the end, the ghost of Tanneth, 1189 01:05:02,960 --> 01:05:06,920 Speaker 1: speaking through Marie, says the same dangerous spell that Christopher 1190 01:05:06,960 --> 01:05:10,439 Speaker 1: Lee said earlier, gets the child to say it, and 1191 01:05:10,520 --> 01:05:15,360 Speaker 1: this destroys the cult, destroys Mokada, and then we get oh, 1192 01:05:15,440 --> 01:05:18,840 Speaker 1: this ending, it's it is a causally justified. It was 1193 01:05:18,880 --> 01:05:21,840 Speaker 1: all a dream ending where they wake up back at 1194 01:05:21,920 --> 01:05:25,040 Speaker 1: Richard and Marie's house in the Magic Circle. Everyone who 1195 01:05:25,160 --> 01:05:28,000 Speaker 1: is dead is now alive except Mokata, who has been 1196 01:05:28,080 --> 01:05:31,760 Speaker 1: killed in the in exchange, and uh, and the Duke 1197 01:05:31,840 --> 01:05:35,800 Speaker 1: explains time has been reversed. Everything that happened happened, but 1198 01:05:36,000 --> 01:05:39,480 Speaker 1: now it has not happened. And then the movie just 1199 01:05:39,640 --> 01:05:43,760 Speaker 1: ends with a very stern insistence that God is in charge. Yeah. 1200 01:05:43,960 --> 01:05:47,960 Speaker 1: Nothing like a time travel out of nowhere, ending with 1201 01:05:48,080 --> 01:05:50,920 Speaker 1: the off screen death of the villain, which also seems 1202 01:05:50,920 --> 01:05:53,360 Speaker 1: an awful lot like speculation on the Duke's part. He's 1203 01:05:53,400 --> 01:05:55,760 Speaker 1: just like, what happened to Okada? He's like, oh, well 1204 01:05:55,760 --> 01:05:58,280 Speaker 1: he died. Now in this new version of things that happened. 1205 01:05:58,800 --> 01:06:00,200 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna show it to you or tell you 1206 01:06:00,240 --> 01:06:03,480 Speaker 1: what would it looked like, but trust me, it happened. Uh. 1207 01:06:03,520 --> 01:06:05,320 Speaker 1: And then and then one of the characters, maybe it's 1208 01:06:05,360 --> 01:06:08,600 Speaker 1: Rex or Simon's like thank God and uh. And the 1209 01:06:08,640 --> 01:06:11,760 Speaker 1: Duke is like, yes, all thanks to God. So they 1210 01:06:11,880 --> 01:06:16,320 Speaker 1: it is he we must thank yes, yes, so all 1211 01:06:16,400 --> 01:06:21,800 Speaker 1: thanks go to God for intervening wiping out all the villains. Um. 1212 01:06:21,920 --> 01:06:24,240 Speaker 1: But unlike say Raiders of the Lost Arc, we're pretty 1213 01:06:24,280 --> 01:06:26,600 Speaker 1: much a similar thing happens like God enters the picture 1214 01:06:26,640 --> 01:06:29,600 Speaker 1: and just and fixes everything. Uh. And we get to 1215 01:06:29,600 --> 01:06:33,200 Speaker 1: see it and Nazis explode and melt and so forth. Uh. 1216 01:06:33,320 --> 01:06:36,040 Speaker 1: Instead we're just told it happened, don't worry about it. 1217 01:06:36,080 --> 01:06:38,040 Speaker 1: Everybody can go to bed. Yeah. It's kind of a 1218 01:06:38,120 --> 01:06:41,600 Speaker 1: Dais x marchia. Uh. And for some reason, why does 1219 01:06:41,640 --> 01:06:44,120 Speaker 1: the Dais x machina work in Raiders of the Lost 1220 01:06:44,240 --> 01:06:47,000 Speaker 1: Ark where it almost never works otherwise because we get 1221 01:06:47,000 --> 01:06:49,360 Speaker 1: to watch the daist that's the thing, Like, we we 1222 01:06:49,440 --> 01:06:53,840 Speaker 1: get to see the forces of heaven come down from above. Uh. 1223 01:06:54,120 --> 01:06:58,840 Speaker 1: We get to see the Hebrew God avenge himself and 1224 01:06:58,920 --> 01:07:02,840 Speaker 1: his people against the Nazis and just utterly destonate them 1225 01:07:03,440 --> 01:07:07,280 Speaker 1: with splendid special effects. Uh. You know. So obviously this 1226 01:07:07,320 --> 01:07:09,200 Speaker 1: film didn't have the budget for that sort of thing, 1227 01:07:10,000 --> 01:07:11,720 Speaker 1: But I think that's one of the reasons it works 1228 01:07:11,720 --> 01:07:14,040 Speaker 1: so well in uh, in the in Raiders of the 1229 01:07:14,080 --> 01:07:16,920 Speaker 1: Lost Arc. Yeah, I guess it's also the fact that 1230 01:07:16,960 --> 01:07:20,959 Speaker 1: at the end of Raiders that the that Indian Marian there, 1231 01:07:21,040 --> 01:07:24,120 Speaker 1: their insight that they have to survive at the end 1232 01:07:24,200 --> 01:07:27,080 Speaker 1: is humility, and that they must humble themselves and close 1233 01:07:27,120 --> 01:07:30,000 Speaker 1: their eyes. Yeah. But I could imagine something like that 1234 01:07:30,040 --> 01:07:31,640 Speaker 1: happening in this film, and I wouldn't have bought it 1235 01:07:31,680 --> 01:07:33,280 Speaker 1: with the Duke, because the Duke would be like, I 1236 01:07:33,360 --> 01:07:36,200 Speaker 1: know exactly what's happening. Everyone close your eyes, Simon, shut 1237 01:07:36,240 --> 01:07:40,520 Speaker 1: your eyes. Shut your eyes. I will keep my eyes 1238 01:07:40,560 --> 01:07:43,640 Speaker 1: open for the rest of you. I can peak. It's okay, 1239 01:07:43,680 --> 01:07:46,240 Speaker 1: I know what I'm doing. Well. That brings up a 1240 01:07:46,280 --> 01:07:50,560 Speaker 1: really good question about I'm curious about the religious sensibilities 1241 01:07:50,680 --> 01:07:53,480 Speaker 1: of this movie, which are clearly mostly you know, their 1242 01:07:53,560 --> 01:07:58,080 Speaker 1: anti devil and their conservative But what exactly is the 1243 01:07:58,120 --> 01:08:02,240 Speaker 1: religious affiliation of the Duke's supposed to be? He he 1244 01:08:02,280 --> 01:08:06,520 Speaker 1: seems to be nominally Christian, at least insofar as Christianity 1245 01:08:06,680 --> 01:08:09,560 Speaker 1: is opposed to the devil, which is the bad guy. 1246 01:08:09,600 --> 01:08:13,000 Speaker 1: And there is one line where Christopher Lee like grills 1247 01:08:13,080 --> 01:08:15,840 Speaker 1: the ghost of Tanneth with that question. He says, like, 1248 01:08:15,920 --> 01:08:19,559 Speaker 1: do you acknowledge Jesus Christ? But then Lee is just 1249 01:08:19,640 --> 01:08:22,599 Speaker 1: straight up doing occult magic and defeating the enemy with 1250 01:08:22,720 --> 01:08:26,920 Speaker 1: esoteric spells. So is he supposed to be a down 1251 01:08:26,960 --> 01:08:29,560 Speaker 1: the line conservative Christian or is he supposed to be 1252 01:08:29,600 --> 01:08:32,439 Speaker 1: an occult wizard? And at least all the environments I'm 1253 01:08:32,439 --> 01:08:36,599 Speaker 1: familiar with these things are supposed to be mutually exclusive. Yeah, 1254 01:08:36,760 --> 01:08:38,800 Speaker 1: Like I mean, they don't really play up the idea 1255 01:08:38,840 --> 01:08:41,040 Speaker 1: that there's like good magic and bad magic like that 1256 01:08:41,080 --> 01:08:42,639 Speaker 1: would have I think that would have been kind of 1257 01:08:43,040 --> 01:08:45,800 Speaker 1: ultimately maybe a more modern telling of this, and maybe 1258 01:08:45,800 --> 01:08:47,320 Speaker 1: it would have been more fun if it was like 1259 01:08:47,560 --> 01:08:52,320 Speaker 1: we have just dueling occultists here. Uh. One occultist is 1260 01:08:52,400 --> 01:08:54,559 Speaker 1: leaning hard into the black magic and the other one 1261 01:08:54,960 --> 01:08:57,160 Speaker 1: is a little more sensible about how he's using everything. 1262 01:08:57,479 --> 01:08:59,679 Speaker 1: But yeah, ultimately I think we get more of that. 1263 01:09:00,200 --> 01:09:02,759 Speaker 1: It's it's more like them, it's more of the satanic 1264 01:09:02,800 --> 01:09:05,479 Speaker 1: panic energy. It's ultimately kind of more like the like 1265 01:09:05,520 --> 01:09:08,400 Speaker 1: the Hinrich Kramer or Hammer the Witches kind of energy 1266 01:09:08,439 --> 01:09:11,439 Speaker 1: where it's like, I'm I can be super knowledgeable about 1267 01:09:11,439 --> 01:09:14,840 Speaker 1: all of this stuff and like weirdly super into it. 1268 01:09:15,200 --> 01:09:18,200 Speaker 1: But it's okay because I'm here to stamp it out, 1269 01:09:18,640 --> 01:09:21,120 Speaker 1: you know. But yeah, we don't see Christopher Lee's character 1270 01:09:21,200 --> 01:09:24,599 Speaker 1: the Duke go into church or anything. Uh. He just 1271 01:09:24,800 --> 01:09:27,719 Speaker 1: name drives Jesus and uh and God, you know twice 1272 01:09:27,760 --> 01:09:31,439 Speaker 1: in the whole picture, and throws the crucifix grenades. Yeah 1273 01:09:31,479 --> 01:09:33,960 Speaker 1: he'll throw He'll heave some some crosses around for sure. 1274 01:09:34,479 --> 01:09:37,479 Speaker 1: So yeah, ultimately, uh, it's it's a very fun picture. 1275 01:09:37,520 --> 01:09:39,320 Speaker 1: There's a lot lot to think about if you approach 1276 01:09:39,360 --> 01:09:42,559 Speaker 1: it from the right direction. Um, so I recommend it. 1277 01:09:42,640 --> 01:09:44,000 Speaker 1: You can. You can pick this one up in a 1278 01:09:44,000 --> 01:09:48,040 Speaker 1: few different places. There are some different Hammer like DVD 1279 01:09:48,160 --> 01:09:52,160 Speaker 1: packs and so forth. But in twenty nineteen, Shout Factory 1280 01:09:52,200 --> 01:09:55,280 Speaker 1: put out an absolutely amazing Blu Ray edition. Uh, this 1281 01:09:55,320 --> 01:09:57,240 Speaker 1: is the one that we rented from Video Drone for 1282 01:09:57,280 --> 01:09:59,720 Speaker 1: this episode. And yeah, this one would make the great 1283 01:09:59,760 --> 01:10:04,920 Speaker 1: Heat proud lots of extras, wonderful bright yellow he goat 1284 01:10:05,520 --> 01:10:08,880 Speaker 1: um menu screen that I was very impressed with, and 1285 01:10:08,960 --> 01:10:11,720 Speaker 1: just more more extras and special features then you could 1286 01:10:11,760 --> 01:10:16,640 Speaker 1: conceivably even want. Like Christopher Lee has his own commentary 1287 01:10:16,640 --> 01:10:19,880 Speaker 1: track on this one, so um, I recommend picking that 1288 01:10:19,960 --> 01:10:21,720 Speaker 1: up or renting it if you have the opportunity to 1289 01:10:21,760 --> 01:10:24,400 Speaker 1: do so. You might find it streaming somewhere as well. 1290 01:10:24,439 --> 01:10:26,640 Speaker 1: I'm not sure what the exact streaming options might be 1291 01:10:26,720 --> 01:10:28,720 Speaker 1: for this picture. We'd love to hear from everyone out 1292 01:10:28,720 --> 01:10:31,280 Speaker 1: there though, if you have thoughts on this picture or others, 1293 01:10:31,520 --> 01:10:33,719 Speaker 1: you know, what, what are your favorite Hammer horror films? 1294 01:10:33,720 --> 01:10:36,000 Speaker 1: We know we have some some Hammer fans out there 1295 01:10:36,880 --> 01:10:39,880 Speaker 1: right in let us know. We'd love to hear from you. Uh. 1296 01:10:40,000 --> 01:10:42,320 Speaker 1: Weird House Cinema comes out every Friday and the Stuff 1297 01:10:42,360 --> 01:10:45,439 Speaker 1: to Blow Your Mind podcast feed were primarily a science podcast, 1298 01:10:45,520 --> 01:10:48,120 Speaker 1: but on Fridays we set most of the serious matters 1299 01:10:48,120 --> 01:10:50,519 Speaker 1: aside and we just talked about a weird film such 1300 01:10:50,600 --> 01:10:53,840 Speaker 1: as this one. UM. I also go ahead mentioned that 1301 01:10:54,280 --> 01:10:58,800 Speaker 1: I maintain a blog Samuda Music dot com s E 1302 01:10:59,000 --> 01:11:01,960 Speaker 1: M U T A M U S I C. And 1303 01:11:02,320 --> 01:11:05,240 Speaker 1: that's just a blog where I'll list the episodes that 1304 01:11:05,280 --> 01:11:07,400 Speaker 1: we have done on Weirdhouse Cinema. 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